The Viall Files - E795 - Love Island Special w/ Aaron & Rob Post Reunion - Blake vs Justin, Who’s Actually More Problematic?

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! The Love Island Reunion was filmed in NYC this weekend, and we’re EXCITED. Join us for a sit down with Aaron and Rob Post Reunion. Meanwhile, Deb Chubb helps us talk all things pop culture, Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni, Husband Calling Competitions, and Ariana Madix’s brother being arrested.  “I should've just said everything to her, there and then.” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Brooklinen - Start and end your summer days with the reviving comfort of Brooklinen. Visit in-store or online at https://www.Brooklinen.com and get 15% off of your first order! Huggies - Learn More At https://www.Huggies.com  Nutrafol - For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VIALL. First Leaf - So, get wines to sip and share all summer long with Firstleaf. Go to https://www.TryFirstleaf.com/viall to sign up and you’ll get your first SIX handpicked bottles for just $44.95. ASPCA - To explore coverage, visit https://www.aspcaPetInsurance.com/viall  SKIMS - Shop the SKIMS Soft Lounge Collection at https://www.SKIMS.com. After you place your order, select "podcast" in the survey and select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @robert_rausch @aaronevans97_ @debchubb @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 10:42 - Blake v Justin 30:03 - Golden Bachelorette 35:15 - Iowa State Fair 42:52 - Demure 46:44 - Vanderpump 54:39 - Molly Mae and Tommy Fury 58:54 - Love Island Cast 01:13:47 - Aaron Interview 01:39:53 - Rob Interview 02:05:51 - Outro

What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Vilephiles Reality Recap edition. I am your host Nick, joined by the household. We have a special household guest with us today, the one and only Deb Chou! Yay! You probably know Deb for all you Love Island maniacs out there from season four of Love Island USA. And Love Island Games.

And Love Island Games. Love Island Games. Third place twice! Yay! Third place twice. Yay! Third place twice? Yes! Pop off Deb. Yes I have.

Did you get a medal or anything? I wish, but I'm like bronze is the new gold. Okay, I get it. Yeah, well, Jordan Childs would tend to agree with you. Aww. Poor Jordan. Anyways, turns out Deb and Cierra are good friends. Yes we are. And so we thought we'd Sierra are good friends. Yes, we are.

And so we thought we'd bring Deb in, on? In? On, in. In and on. Both. She's in studio with us and on the show. To give us a little insider baseball at all things Love Island USA.

We had the reunion last night. We know it was messy and hardcore. We have yet to be able to watch it yet. It was a super top secret. We didn't unfortunately get a screener the night before, but we do know that Kayler and Erin are broken up and Kayler used her time at the reunion to unleash fury on Erin, which good for Kayler.

I feel like she needed to get it out. I feel like she, you know, she went through it. Unfortunately, and I'm curious to get your take on this Deb in a minute, but like it's, it really is, well, we have Erin and Rob on this episode later in the episode. And it's our conversation with Erin post-reunion. Yeah.

The day after. The day after. And it was intense. Like, I don't want to give anything away. I want you guys to listen to the episode, but I wasn't sure if they were going to show up, Robin and Eric. At first it was like maybe there's being reality TV star divas, who knows? But when they showed up, you could tell that they had been through it.

I think the intensity and the fanfare and the popularity of this season has run its course and it's taking on a new life of its own with the cast members and I think they're down bad. Some of them, some of them are up. Some of them are up. Some of them are up. Kayla posted a video of her in a car leaving a venue and the car was like mob surrounded by fans,

like trying to, and she had her window down and it was like they couldn't get through, mean it was like giving Kim Kardashian it's wild yeah the people are demand we ran into people that we were we were in New York in vis interviewing he ran into people in New York we were obviously in New York to interview Robin Aaron and then we also have Nicole on this week's going deeper that one's crazy. That one's crazy. If anyone's obviously seen the reunion already,

we know that, spoiler alert, Nicole and Kendall are still together. Well, we'll see after what happened after our episode with her. Yeah. Because I think we broke through a lot of. Nicole, it was a very interesting conversation. I mean, she is clearly someone

without trying to give too much away, someone who's really struggling with what to do with her relationship. I think she clearly cares about the guy, but there has been some things that's happened between them and some things said and not said or things left out that have made it really very difficult for Nicole to try to work through this.

And she basically talks all about it with us. And it's quite the episode. She really goes deep, but she also, you could tell, there's a lot of consideration for Kendall as much as she can while struggling, knowing that it seemed like Kendall didn't seem to have much consideration for her. Oh.

That's a good way to put it. Yeah. And you'll have to watch. And's a good way to put it. Yeah. And you'll have to watch. And you'll have to listen or watch. I will. Whichever platform you desire. I'm excited.

Yeah. It was wild. What was I going to say? Anyways, no, we went to dinner prior to an interview and some wonderful, the hosts were like, oh my God, we love the podcast. Love the podcast. No, that wasn't her. No, it wasn't. No, we were in a baby store. No, that wasn't her. No, it wasn't.

No, we were in a baby store. Yes, that's what it was. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. But the same host is kind of the same thing. She had the same vibe, yeah. We were in a baby store and we were the only ones in there and this girl walked by and she opened the door

and she was like, I saw you guys through the window. Like, I just wanted to say hello. And we were like, oh my gosh, hi, how are you? And she was like, I'm actually been hoping to run into Leah. And we were like, oh, sorry. Good to see you. she was like, I'm actually been hoping to run into Leah. And we were like, oh, sorry. We're like, I'm sure you'll find her. Everyone who like stopped to say hi

and like loved the show, whatever, was like, we actually really wanna run into Love Island people. You know where they are. You know where they are? It was like, they literally stopped us to try to get the T and where they might be able to find Love Island people.

Oh my gosh. I mean, like, it's people are super obsessed and super in love with these people for better and for worse. Fandom is, sometimes we need to pump the brakes guys. There's fandom and then there's the parasocial relationships where you think you know these people because you're watching them on television

but they are human beings that have their own lives and you do not know the ins and outs of it from watching two months of their life. And just because they reminded you of your ex-boyfriend, did you dirty or did you wrong? It doesn't mean that Aaron's your ex-boyfriend. I really hope that after this episode, people will see and hear just how broken Aaron is

and lay the fuck off. Cause it's, I mean,, like I think, listen, he's gotten what he deserves, you know? Like he's not in his relationship anymore. And also lay the, if you empathize with Aron after this episode, that doesn't mean you reach out to Kahler and say you were too hard on Aron and how could you say this?

He's sorry, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, no, they had the right to figure it out even on a public platform because it all happened on a public platform. It doesn't give you the right to go in their DMs and their comments and start telling them they should kill themselves and crazy fucking shit like that or start just trying to do whatever you can

to make them feel terrible about themselves. It's fucking crazy. They're figuring it out as they go along as well. They're thrown into this hyperactive situation where they have to go through dating scenarios that they wouldn't usually go through in the real world because everything is in a pressure cooker and then they come out. We've already seen the show. They haven't seen it.

Yeah. And then they're getting flooded with things. They're like, where's that coming from? Where's that coming from? It's crazy. It's the same as usually you would have your girlfriends or your group of friends're like, where's that coming from? Where's that coming from? It's crazy. It's the same as like, usually you would have like your girlfriends or your group of friends being like, yeah, fuck that guy.

And like, it's not the entire like United States going after this person being like, by the way, you cheated, you're awful. And it's like, you don't know them. Like pump the brakes guys. I'm assuming there's a lot of people in your shoes, Deb, who find out quote unquote, find out things unquote find out

things that have happened from fans. Totally. In the DMs. Oh. And I think that can be such dangerous territory because like they get out of the villa, they go online, they start engaging with their fans and their fans like, I can't believe this and this, this happened.

It's all, and it's from a fan POV. And it's crazy to think that there are some cast members who quote unquote get their information from fans, and what that does to their perception or perspective of their own experience in the villa. Is that accurate, does that happen a lot? Totally, it's a great point because you'll read that so much quicker than you will be able to sit down

and watch an episode, because you're just going through your DMs and you'll see what everybody's saying and you'll be like, this is what they saw, it must be true, rather than one, believing what actually happened from when you went through it or from what you've seen. But then at the same time, it's like you weren't in CASA.

So if you're getting messages about what happened in CASA, you're obviously gonna believe the worst, because you probably assume the worst regardless. Well yeah, in our click-bait society, nothing irritates me more. I see it a lot with like a political commentary, but you see it kind of in sports and you see it in pop culture, and someone will give a take on someone. You're like, I think Sierra, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And even if it's not even like, let's say it's just, you know, maybe there's a criticism in there,

maybe there's even a compliment in there as well. The headline will be, Nick eviscerates Sierra. And it's like, eviscerates? Holy fucking shit. You know, and then you watch the video and it's just like, I mean, like, they have like a critique or something. Is it coming?

Is the evis Is it coming? Is the evisceration coming? Did I miss it? Wait, go back. Those are always the fucking headlines. And like we experience it all the time in this show. Like we obviously talk about Bachelor people, Love is Blind, Love Island USA, we give commentary.

We can start every show by saying, we don't know these people, we recognize these shows, have an edit. Like we're giving commentary and people we've never met, we've reserved the right to be wrong, which we always do, and that always seems to fall on deaf ears. And then people will listen to the show,

and if you're like, for example, let's say you're a Die Hard Liv fan, or a Die Hard Leah fan, or a Kahler fan, and we have any type of critique at all, the fan of that person will be like, can you fucking believe what Nick and Nellie and Sierra said to you on the Vile Files? They said the worst fucking shit, and then that person reads it will be like, can you fucking believe what Nick and Nellie and Sierra said to you on the Vile Files? They said the worst fucking shit.

And then that person reads it will be like, holy fucking shit, what did they say? And it's like usually fucking nothing. Or it's one thing followed by a series of compliments, but it's always like those little things. And it's always fascinating and unfortunate, but it's kind of the way it works that so much of what your reality TV stars hear are from the opinions of fans.

Especially in the comments, not even DMs, you'll just post something and then they'll go on and on and on and then somebody will come and be like, yeah, did you see that? It's just a ripple effect. I love your dress and by the way, your boyfriend's cheating on you. Yeah.

And it's like, oh, okay. It's a cold one. Really? You're so funny, I love you so much but just so you know, everybody hates you. Yeah. cheating on you. And it's like, oh, okay. It's like, holy fuck. You're so funny, I love you so much, but just so you know, everybody hates you. Everybody hates you. What is it like to have the entire world fucking hate you, including my dog, can't stand you?

Like great, I was having a good day until now. Yeah, and then everybody says, well, don't look at the comments, try to stay off social media. It's a lot easier said than done. Yeah, it is, it is easier said than done. Anyways, we have more about Love Island discussed, but we do have to get into household headlines.

There's a lot of things to talk about outside of Love Island. Well, we know that Jen's set in Jeremy home today, but we are gonna break down all things Bachelorette on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap with our special guest, Lauren Gray. We are living in a weird time. It is the online takedown of Blake Lively. And I'm blown away.

I don't- It's really crazy. I actually, I saw a friend of show, has she, Amanda Stanton, has she ever been on this show? I don't think she's ever been in the Vile Files. Really? Yeah. Anyways.

Amanda Stanton gave a hot take. Amanda Stanton gave a hot take. Amanda Stanton gave a hot take and I was like, oh my God, I so agree with this. Me and her, you know, become pretty good friends because obviously we both had babies around the same time. She posted on Instagram? Yes, she posted on Instagram. And I screenshot it, so I was like, this is genius.

Someone said, updated opinion about Blake Justin's situation after the interview clips and her PR release. Amanda's response is, I think I have an unpopular opinion on this, but I think people trying to figure out what happened with the cast versus Justin has just turned into the majority hating on Blake. I can understand wishing she spoke more about DV in her interviews, but I don't think it warrants hate.

Seeing women seemingly loving an opportunity to hate on another woman is so triggering to me. And yes, I saw the interview and she was definitely not nice and it made me uncomfortable The one where she was talking to that about your little bump But I also think it's odd to release an interview from years ago now to say I don't know what happened on set But here's an interview of Blake being mean in an interview years ago, but that's completely irrelevant to the situation So she must be the problem when she's getting so much hate already The purpose was to pile on more hate and beat

someone when they're already down and we don't know the context. I also think you could pull up a video or bad moment of just about anyone but agree it was rude and I can't imagine ever treating an interviewer like that. But if we're trying to figure out what caused the rift in this particular movie, I believe Justin was in the wrong here. And that doesn't mean he's not a good person. But the entire cast, not just Blake, is avoiding him like the plague.

These are all very smart, professional women and mothers, and men who I don't believe would act that way out of immaturity or pettiness or take sides like they're in high school. He had to have acted in an extreme way for everyone in the entire cast to not like him and that doesn't mean he isn't A good person good people have bad moments, too Just like it doesn't mean Blake has never been mean a day in her life

All those things can be true and exist at the same time my opinion and yes, I need to go touch dress But like I think it's so I think it's so true I think like I'm just me clapping for anyone That was a real a really great take, Amanda. I was just like, regardless of what you think, and for those of you who aren't paying attention, and if you're not even paying attention, it's hard to miss, but if you go online, you are seeing what seems to be the online attempt to cancel Blake Lively.

Now, I'm not trying to get into discussion whether you can actually cancel Blake Lively. They're billionaires, hard to cancel a billionaire, but they're trying to cancel her reputation. They're trying to destroy Blake Lively. They're billionaires, hard to cancel a billionaire, but they're trying to cancel her reputation. They're trying to destroy Blake Lively's reputation. Maybe Blake Lively once in a while is a jerk. Maybe Blake Lively needs to apologize from time to time about how she interacts with fans.

I know I have to at times, you know, like not all of us are professional politicians and extroverts who always are on, but I just find it fascinating or ironic or icky about a movie about domestic violence where a man versus a woman, you have this on-set drama. We don't really know exactly what's going on. But the internet, and specifically it seems to be like a lot of women

because a lot of women are watching this show, seem to be jumping at the opportunity to eviscerate the woman in this scenario. And yes, maybe Blake Lively has had a reputation of being a jerk at times and having to apologize, but to Amanda's point, that doesn't explain why everyone's unfollowed Justin. And I've never met Blake Lively.

I've met Justin. I've had him on the show. And I'll just say that. And if you've ever read Justin's books or listened to his podcast, which I have, I guess my opinion is like, if you ever read Justin's book, you would think that the person writing that book who presents is an ultra ally to women.

If you read his stuff or followed his content, the person who wrote that book, you would assume that they would say, maybe I could direct this movie, this movie that comes from a place of a perspective, a woman who's being abused by a man, but I don't know if I should. Like, that's the vibe of the person who wrote those books

that Justin Baldoni wrote. Like, that's the vibe of his content. Like, could a man directed Barbie? Sure, probably. And he could have sat down and interviewed women and said, I wanna make make sure I do this right. I want to make sure I'm writing this from the perspective of women. But like maybe just a woman should have directed it like Greta did. And you know what I'm saying? It's just like, and I'm not trying to get into a debate whether Justin should or shouldn't have. It's just more like a guy who presents like Justin presents to the public.

You would assume that that person would say, wait, why am I the one directing this movie? I could, for sure, I could do a good job, but I don't know if I should be the one to do it. I'm always very skeptical of people who present as flawless, who always say the right things. Blake might be a jerk, but you know who I trust? People who are willing to be jerked in public. You know, I just, people, like, people who are willing

to get criticism, I guess. Like, I'm not saying that's okay to be a jerk at times. I'm just saying, like, they're just, I trust them more. You know? I do. I, and about the viral video, the interview that's going around, it's basically a reporter released a video. The video's been up for a while, the interview,

but basically the reporter kind of re-released it and said the one interview that made me want to quit being a journalist, and everyone's kind of talked about it. It's where this journalist, you know, before the interview starts, Blake is pregnant is my understanding. Blake is eight months pregnant. Eight months pregnant.

And so she just says, congrats on your little bump. On your little bump. Blake wasn't having it and kind of said, well, congrats on your little bump. On your little bump. Blake wasn't having it and kind of said, well, congrats on your little bump. And it seems like Blake is being pretty rude. You know, like you look at it and it's like, Blake, maybe you need more apologize. I don't think there's any defending that

because I think there's two. And for someone who was pregnant and who got a lot of people commenting on my body, when you walk around and you have a big, obviously pregnant belly, not just like, some weight or anything like that, it's an obvious baby in there. A lot of people wanna say congratulations.

A lot of people wanna ask you questions about it and they feel like other mothers feel connected to you because they've kind of been through that. And it's this whole thing. And this woman who clearly was not pregnant and she kind of released a statement saying that she actually cannot get pregnant, that that was like triggering for her,

for someone to kind of throw that back in her face. So I don't think there's any defending. I think Blake Lively was rude. She definitely needs to apologize. I mean, she definitely needs to apologize, but again, I don't know what it's like to have been in your shoes, but I did get a front row seat to you being pregnant,

and it is shocking how many people, people, especially middle-aged men, who even if they know, you can tell they mean well, but everyone commented on your body, everyone. Everyone about your size, oh my God, like you're hiding it well. And everyone means well, you can tell they mean well. There's like this awkwardness of feeling the need

to comment on how Natalie's body was changing as her pregnancy went along. And I could imagine how that could get frustrating and annoying. Maybe she caught Blake on a bad day. It doesn't make Blake a bad person because Blake had a response that maybe she regrets or maybe a response that she might need to apologize for

when she's eight months pregnant. To me, that doesn't define who Blake Lively is. It's also probably frustrating if she's there to talk about Emily in Paris or whatever show they were. Yeah, whatever she was providing. And she's bringing up her bump and like you said, she was probably fed up. I think a lot of the interviews that I've seen

with Blake Lively, where she comes across as rude, maybe the interviewers aren't really asking the best questions. We can't put all of the blame on her. She'd probably get so many questions and people coming up to her, and she's probably fed up, and if it's not a great question, obviously she might have a sarcastic response.

But I think, so it was like two back, and it was before the interview had even started. As soon as she sits down, she's just like, oh, congrats on your bump, you know, all right, let's get started. And then her first official question was about the wardrobe in Woody Allen. It was like a 1920s piece.

Which, that's, I mean, the wardrobe is very important. I think Blake Lively is also very well known for her fashion. Hello, she's been wearing all florals and this and that, you know, and for the, you know, like she's been very much leaning into her fashion. And so I think for some, for her to get offended that someone asks about her wardrobe is a little bit bizarre.

I think Blake clearly needs to apologize. Like, yeah, she was kind of a jerk. about her wardrobe is a little bit bizarre. I think Blake clearly needs to apologize. Yeah, she was kind of a jerk. I just, to me, like Amanda perfectly stated, Blake having a reputation of maybe being a jerk, or maybe she's just not as good as her husband at delivering sarcastic, passive-aggressive jokes that like Ryan Reynolds is and it really lands with him.

Or maybe that's the double standard that society has with women, where like, men can joke about that shit, but when women do it, she's just being a bitch, you know? I don't know. But like, all I know is that like, the internet is trying to go back and find every little moment that Blake Lively was rude,

as a justification as to why, of whose side to take when the entire cast has unfollowed Justin Baldoni. And what is Justin Baldoni doing? And refusing to do any press with them. Refusing to do press with them. And then what has Justin done? He has hired the same PR crisis team that Johnny Depp hired during the Amber Heard case.

And again, I get it. If you're Justin Baldoni, do you wanna hire the best PR team, crisis PR team if you're in a crisis? But like who, I didn't know he was in a crisis, you know? To my knowledge, it's Blake that everyone's saying. Blake seems like she's in a crisis. So like, why is he hiring the crisis?

And this PR team, it's my understanding, regardless of whatever you think of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. Our take was like, maybe they're just both kind of bad people. But like this PR team eviscerated Amber Heard online. It was like an all out assault on her character. Like there was the court that we watched the trial, right?

The trial was filmed, it was on TV, we all watched it, we covered it. And then there was the court of public opinion in which Johnny's Jet Depp's team and PR crisis team just eviscerated Amber Heard. You love that word this episode. Eviscerated? You said it six times.

Ruin, try to go after. And again, like I just, that doesn't, if you read Justin Baldoni's content and follow his work, you would never think that Justin Baldoni would hire the same crisis PR team that Johnny Depp hired. Whatever you think of Amber Heard, like it doesn't mean that Johnny Depp is a good guy, especially a guy who is respectful and courteous

towards women. Maybe Blake is a jerk, maybe she needs to apologize, but before you jump on the Justin Baldoni is a saint, I just think maybe we should be careful before we start crowning Justin the winner. Or maybe they're both jerks. I don't know. I just think either way, I'm not a fan of either. My take on it is just like watching people get so much joy in the downfall of other people. It's sickening at this point. I'm just like tired

of hearing about it. Like it's all over my TikTok. Everybody's got a take on people who they've never met. And it's just like, whatever happened, they obviously don't want us to know because they didn't release it or no actor or no person on set has come out and said what actually happened. So again, it's like it's sad that now we've taken it to like character assassination. And that's just like the normal dialogue that's happening all over the Internet. Regardless, if you like Blake or if you like Justin, whatever, it's like the idea that you need to attack the other side

and be like, no, they're both shitty people. Okay, we're all capable of being shitty people. But it's like, to take joy and try to get views and try to become something based off of ripping down people you know nothing about, I'm like, it's just kind of sad that that's where our society is. It seems like a lot of people online

are taking advantage of the opportunity that Blake, someone who might remind people of a girl who wouldn't be friends with you in high school, is taking this opportunity to try to put Blake Lively in her place because, again, she reminds you of someone you didn't like back in the day. And that's all it seems to be. And people are talking about Blake Lively of like,

oh, her and Ryan Reynolds are out of touch. I never looked at Blake Lively and thought of her as like, you know why she's famous? Because she's super relatable. No, she's aspirational. She's a billionaire. She's a rich, famous celebrity who, from my whole knowing of Blake Lively,

she's always been a rich, famous person. Now, again, you could be like, well, I don't aspire to be like Blake Lively. Good for you. Well, a lot of people't aspire to be like Blake Lively. Good for you. Well, a lot of people do, you know? And yes, Blake Lively has made mistakes and maybe Blake Lively needs to educate herself. And clearly, again, her strategy around marketing

this movie seems to be a huge epic fail. And maybe she needs to address that, but that does not address why these people have distanced themselves from Justin Baldoni. And I think people need to start asking the right questions about that. And why is Justin hiring a Crisis PR team, the same Crisis PR team that Johnny Depp hired? Because it's like, if we remember during the Johnny Depp and Amber trial that Johnny hired this Crisis PR team, there were so many videos and stuff

that came out from years prior that resurfaced. And I don't know if that was fans digging up or if that was this Crisis PR team, but it seems- It seems like it's his PR team. It's happening again. And it does, I think Blake Lively is guilty of being a bitch. I'm guilty of being a bitch. Nick is too, Sierra is too.

Everyone is guilty of being a bitch. Well, speak for yourself a bitch. Nick is too. Sierra is too. Like everyone is guilty of being a bitch. Well, speak for yourself. Well, it's just like, sometimes we all have a bad moment. And like, I think Blake Lively has been a bitch in some of her interviews. I think her response to fans can sometimes be a little rude and condescending, but that does not justify everybody not wanting anything to do with Justin Baldoni.

I think there's a deeper issue. None of us will probably ever know because it seems like no one's interested in talking about it. And I think it'll just continue, the speculation will just continue and no one's sure, it just dies. I was texting someone who knows Blake

and I gave my honest opinion. What I heard was, I don't think she can speak on it. Cause now when Blake, anything comes out, everyone's just like, oh, that's Blake's, it's funny, it's like everyone's saying, oh, that's Blake's PR team trying to, it's all, they're just rolling their eyes. If it seems like it's coming from Blake's camp,

she's almost lost all her credibility, in a sense, because it just seems like a tit for tat situation. What I heard was other people are gonna have to come forward about Justin, because I don't know if Blake can anymore. It was also sad because we've all loved Blake Lively up until this point, and I don't think she's changed that much, just now people are looking at her through a different lens, which isn't fair.

Yeah, then again, maybe she needs, you know, she's not without fault in this situation about some of her behavior. And that's one of those things, like as someone who, like I say this all the time on this show, like if I'm not thinking about it, if I'm not paying attention, my resting gaze is often aloof in my head,

like you know, and so if you don't know me and you see me at a party, you are out in public, and I'm thinking about whatever, and you walk up to me and I don't notice you, your opinion of me at a party, you are out in public, and I'm thinking about whatever, and you walk up to me and I don't notice you, your opinion of me might be like, oh, that Nick, well, boy, he thinks he's all that, or what a jerk, he didn't even pay attention to me, I said hi to him and I don't even think he acknowledged me.

I've made that mistake. And as an adult, I go about my life not trying to worry about what every single stranger in this world thinks about me, but at the same time, if I don't want people to think I'm rude or a jerk, I have to work on that. I have to, every once in a while, think, you know what, if I want to give a good impression, I have to be mindful of how I come across.

So if Blake wants to change the narrative about how she is in interviews and things like that, she might have to make an adjustment, but that doesn't mean she is a terrible person. That doesn't mean she is at fault here. And yeah, it doesn't mean she's the problematic one. It just might mean she has some things that she needs to work on.

Yeah, she needs to be more demure, more mindful. Mindful. Yeah. Cutesy. I think she has cutesy covers. And I, yeah, I just, I trust jerks a lot more than people who are unwilling to ever in a public space ever. Claim fault?

Or just say- The wrong thing. Say anything other than surface level fucking talking points. Yeah, I just, the guy who wrote Man Enough would have said, I could direct this, but I think a woman should. I think it's always a red flag when nobody has friends. Like, if somebody doesn't have friends.

Okay? If somebody doesn't have friends. It's so real though. Wait, who doesn't have friends? Just about anyone. Well, the scenario. Like, there's usually a reason why. No one wants to fuck with this guy.

Oh, you're saying because everyone unfollowed him and no one likes or depresses him, like you think, yeah, I mean that is true. And then the rest of the internet is saying, you know, is trying to compare that to be like, well his cast from Gossip Girl and they're following him but they're not following Blake. To me unfollowing someone after a work situation

is different than like, there's a lot of people I don't follow that I realize I don't follow. There's a lot of people I don't follow that I realize I don't follow. There's people I follow that I'm not super fans of, but I'm not that petty at times to unfollow every single person. I don't know, the internet is really taking liberties on deciding how to read certain interactions with people.

I'm like, that just tells me that we're just losing the mark because I'm just like, we're trying to find anything else to talk about to the point. That's why I said we're talking about it at Nausium because it's just like, oh, well, we've got one development, Justin Baldoni, followed by Chase Crawford. And it's like, what the? Yeah, it's like people have too much time on their hands. Yeah, they're excited to cancel someone to. Yeah, which is sad.

I just ask why, why does why does Justin Baldoni need to hire the same Crisis PR team as Johnny Depp? I just think that's a very important question people seem to be ignoring. I feel like that Crisis PR team should have been like, Justin, I don't know if we're the people for you. As a Crisis PR team, in your image, knowing who we worked for,

I don't think we're the right people for you. Except that his Crisis PR team is like, here's what we do. No, I know that, but like, if they're such a good PR team, you would think that for the man, Justin Valdoni, who is like known as being like such a woman ally, they would be like, hey, we worked for Johnny Depp last. They're the crisis.

But I don't think that crisis, yeah, I think- They just want money? I think they just want the money. But I do think Justin, the guy who wrote the book, Man Enough, he talks about being the ultra ally that he wants to present to be, would look at what their playbook is and how they go about conducting their business

and think, you know what, I may be going through a crisis, but that's not how I wanna go about it. I'm not down for an online takedown of a woman just because she's made some mistakes and maybe didn't answer an interviewer's question when she was eight months pregnant in the way that a lot of people would. It's kind of showing some similarities in the book,

obviously not to that extreme, but why is he taking down this woman when the whole movie was about women empowerment and owning your own decision? The Crisis PR team should be bringing awareness to DV rather than destroying a woman's reputation, in my opinion. You know who does have a lot of friends?

Joan, the golden bachelorette. Of course she does. Are you kidding? Did you see her DMs are flooded with dick pics? That is scary. And people that wanna buy the shoes she wore on the golden bachelorette. Oh dear God, lucky.

Some creepy man. It's just, well. There's anything that's manning it on the show. Could you imagine? She's like, wait a second. I've seen you before. I mean, Joan's giving honest. Joan's giving, I don't really care about how many Instagram followers I get.

I mean, I guess, but she's also like, I think I would probably say the same if I was getting a lot of unsolicited dick pics. I'd be like, listen, ooh, guys. You keep it real, babe, but I just think a lot of that charrette are afraid to keep it real because of online criticism. I'm sorry, but what did jump scare to open your DMs

to a bunch of dick pics. I don't know what it's like to be you ladies, but I hear the guys are gross. They come up blurred sometimes. So you can slowly unblur it. No. You've gotten that? Is that a thing?

Yeah, I've never been sent a dick pic, but I've been sent. Like a slow reveal? Yeah, I know that they can blur images if you're not following them or something like that. I've gotten like sugar baby requests, but I've never been sent a dick pic and please don't. It does say a lot though,

she had to go back on reality TV to find love. So men sending dick pics to not secure her. I don't know if that would ever work. Let's not say that anyone who goes on these shows has to go on these shows to find love. But they say that her DMs are filled with guys and yet. And the guys that are sending dick pics think that's like the thing, you know? Like they're like, that's gonna win her over.

I don't. She's the golden bachelor. She's gonna see my dick and she's gonna have to date me. I don't think men send dick pits thinking that's what women wanna see. I think there are. Then why do they send them? Because they're gross. I think there think men send dick pits thinking that's what women want to see. I think there are- Then why do they send them?

Yeah. Because they're gross. I think there are men out there who get off on the idea that they're sending a picture of their dick to whoever and it turns them on to know that Joan or anyone else is looking at their dick. It's fucking disgusting. Interesting.

Yeah, whenever she- Is that my fellow guy in the room? Am I probably accurate about how... Well, I've never sent a girl a dick pic. So... And I'm not speaking for you and I, but men in general. Another gross. Yeah.

I just assumed that it was because guys are like more, with like visuals, they get turned on by like seeing a naked body, where like you can put a dick in front of me and I'm not like, oh my God, gotta have sex. But I feel like if you put a naked body in front of a man, typically they'll be like, let's go. I think men aren't, you know, like I think a lot of women will say things like,

why would you send this to me? I don't wanna see that. And what I'm saying is I think men know that. I don't think they care. I think he thinks it's a gift to you. He's like, look at how great my dick is. I'm turned on just looking at my own dick. They enjoy showing their dick.

It's not that they're not like, ooh, I wonder what she's gonna think. They're like, I wanna show you my dick. That's why men do it. It's gotta be a shot to their ego though if somebody responds and is like, ew. I don't even think they're going that far. Just a thumbs down.

Yeah. Or she blocks them. Gross. But thank you Joan for keeping it real. I'm upset she didn't pursue the flip fetish opportunity though. It seems like that could have been a good choice. Selling her shoes, yeah.

Yeah, her kids did not support that. It's like easy money people. Somebody want to hear take them. I gotta pay rent. How much money have you made off your feet babe? Listen, I was down bad in college and definitely needed some money and definitely sold a couple of feet pics.

Did you really? Yeah. Can you give us like an average revenue? Thank you. $100 for barefoot, $200 for in a high heel. Oh wow. And I was making bank, let me tell you. Oh my God.

Did they just come in your DMs? Yeah. Yeah. So you had a rate, you had enough requests to have a standard. What does Make and Bank? Let me tell you. Oh my God. Did they just come in your DMs? Yeah. Yeah. So you had a rate. You had enough requests to have a standard. Oh, well once the first person paid 100, I was like, well, I'm not gonna go lower than this.

You know? Like, fuck. And that was just me, someone, and it was someone that I had gone to high school with, so I kinda knew them, and it was kind of like a joke back and forth. And then I was like, yeah, $100 for, and they were like, okay, and then I got a notification.

I was like, say $100, and I was like, oh my God. The joke wasn't a joke? I was like, yeah, a hundred dollars like for like my and they're like, okay, and then I got a notification I was like $100 and I was like, oh my god The joke wasn't a joke. I was like wait, so the gold mine is men with foot fetishes Yeah, they seem to be generous. Yeah, right? Wait, the cordel cheez-its. Oh, then he got a box. Just got announced It just got released today. Yeah, he announced last night that he was going to release the cheese. It's announced. That's dope. He's on the box of cheese. It's cool. As far as the new Wheaties.

Dude, love Island has just exploded. Yeah. Let me go back. Do you feel screwed over? No, honestly, I don't know if I'd be able to handle all of this. I think now that I've grown and like kind of understand this world a little bit more, it would be easier to go in and come out how they have. But I was overwhelmed with what it was.

What if they did a Love Island All Stars US? Oh, I tell everyone I would go back no matter what. It's like summer camp. You get to flirt and lay in the sun all day. There's just no kayaking. It's literally my favorite thing ever. I want to go ahead and they feed you. It's literally my favorite thing ever. I wanna go ahead and make- There's just no kayaking. They feed you, it's great. They feed you.

They tell you what to, like, they don't even have to know what time of day it is. What? Can I get you a sandwich or something? I could always eat, but. What is going on in the Iowa State Fair? This goes viral every single year. Does it?

They have an Iowa State Fair husband calling contest. What does that mean? So basically people come on the stage and then they show their best version of calling their husband to the room essentially. Oh, that's funny. So I'll bring up the video so you can see it. Mom, I need you. Mom, mom. This is the mom one. Backwards somersault with a split. Mom, mom, I'm really going to the torn down, torn down skin, it's going to be close to

the bottom. Fine, I'll ask Papa, you know he's made of honey. Mom, can we please go to Little Hands on the Farm? I know I'm too old and I know it's kinda boring, but please! Just re-up my birth control. Oh. They should have Janaye just saying, Kenny. Where's the wife one?

That scares me. Like if River does that, I'm gonna shut the fuck up. Honestly, just piss me off, yeah, so these are just like made up calls. I'm a real listen. It's your wife that you need to attend dinner. It's up on the table. So get your bucket. OK, so these are just like made up calls. Oh, yeah. I thought I thought people were going to be like, this is how I call my husband. I'm like, Frank, get the fuck inside. That's the point of it.

That's the point of it. But it's like a contest and all people are performing to like, OK, I want to see what people actually say. Well, it raises the question, how do you guys call each other to the room? It's like, hey, you know, Nick, you know, it's time to let the video games go. No, no, I think you've played long enough. Like, turn that fucking game off!

Like, I don't play video games, but like. Yeah, what? I'm glad you guys play. That's how we do it. And you turn it on video games. He was performing. He was like, he was literally performing. I was just speculating how it might go down.

Interesting. We don't yell. Oh. No, like if you're in the bedroom and I'm outside, like can you need something, I don't know. You say babe. Yeah, I think we're just like. Honey.

We would all lose. Nick. Nick. And I'm usually like, what, maybe the air is whatever, and I run, run, sprint. I feel like I'm like a seagull. No, sometimes I'm like, oh my, maybe they're whatever, and I run, run, sprint. Get to her. I feel like I'm like the seagulls. No, sometimes I'm like, oh my God, is he dead out there?

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Sierra said it earlier. So it's going viral right now. I know, but I- It came to my attention, it's been around for a while. I just learned this also. It's come to my attention. I am alarmed that this is a new word for the Gen Zers out there. Did you know that Demure was a word? No, but I don't know a lot of words to begin with.

I don't know a lot of words either and I knew the word Demure. What about Jen Alpha? Jennifer Alpha? Love her. Does she know anything about Demure? Well, how would you define Demure, Nick? Soft, Well, how would you define Demure, Nick? Soft, angelic, I would say more, yeah, gentle. Can you give it to us in a sentence? She was very demure. Boring. Can you give us a paragraph? What is the opposite of demure?

Blake Lively was not very demure in that interview. Not very mindful. She's not veryure in that interview. Not very mindful. She's not very mindful in that interview with that reporter. Wasn't very cutesy either. Demurtzy. Demurtzy. It's usually a term to use to describe a lady. Okay. And one that's more softer, gentler, polite.

Quiet, modest, unassuming, reserved nature. There you go. There you go, that's pretty good. Not me, what's the opposite? When a straight man is demure around straight women, it's often considered an ick. Or a gentleman. Interesting.

Well, no. Modest, unassuming, reserved nature definitely would not be an ick. Be like, oh, he's mysterious, it's giving Rob. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Listen, and with our interview with Rob, you will notice, listen, we were pulling.

We were pulling with Rob. So he wasn't very demure. He was very demure. Too demure. Too demure. Too demure. Too mindful, too demuretzy, too all of that. He opened up a little bit, yeah.

No, he did, but he's definitely like the women being in the villa, what were they saying when they're like, you just like. It was an onion. Yeah, but I think it was Sydney was saying something to him and Casa and I don't know, she's just like the way that you like don't say anything, it makes me so nervous. And like, definitely, cause I was like, okay, perfect.

So that's cool. On to the next. Yeah. Rob is an introverted guy who he's gone his whole life with people telling him, asking him why he doesn't smile. He does remind me a lot of you in that aspect. Just in like, no, no, no, just in like the, right? Like I feel like y'all share a lot of characteristics.

You're like, oh! I feel like y'all share a lot of, just to like, you don't have to be the loudest guy in the room. You're like fine with just going to a party and like chilling in the corner. And not smiling, yes. Rob is comfortable with being alone in a public setting. And that makes other people uncomfortable to witness,

but it doesn't make Rob uncomfortable. And then the people will then have an opinion of Rob based off of their discomfort of being around someone who's comfortable with sitting in silence in a crowded room. I think that shows a huge level of confidence totally yeah in him. Well that's why it makes other people uncomfortable because he's not doing anything about it. But like again whether it's Blake Lyman being a jerk or Rob being quiet? I am, yes, I am prone to, we live in a society that we reward extroverts and award people who present as polite

and say the right things. We love fucking surface level shit in our society. And we live in a society as long as people are nice to us, quote unquote nice to us, and we immediately think they're a good person. It's just like politicians are nice all the time, you know, to your face. Obama declined to take a selfie with me,

and I didn't think that was very nice, but also I understood. Not very typical. It was not very politician of him to decline a selfie. I do wanna see Rob, Lala, and Sheena in a room. I feel like something would happen. Wait, so are they joining the Valley? Allegedly.

So they're filming more scenes. That's not confirmed that they're on the cast full time. So they're just friends of show currently? Some sort of it, yeah. Cause last season they weren't friends of, but they were in the show. Well, these are professionals. Lala and Sheena are not the type of reality TV stars

who are just gonna show up for fun to film a scene. These are working reality TV stars professionals. So like, there's gonna be a limit to how much they're gonna show up without getting a paycheck. Does this mean that there might not be any more Vanderpump? That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking.

Definitely. At least for a year or something maybe. A big sign. Well, cause weren't they supposed to start filming like according to Sheena back in the day, like in August? Originally it was there's no plan. And then it became later in the fall and now it's they're on the valley.

Yeah. I talked to a producer of Vanderpump a couple of months ago. What I heard was nothing was decided. So there was no like, but they were hoping to pick back up in the fall once Ariana was done with all her stuff, but also preparing for the possibility that Ariana would not return. And she's back on Chicago.

Sure, but it's also not the fall. We're still definitely in summer. Her brother is also. An idiot. Yeah. He's watching too much Blow, the movie. It's a lot of weeks. She's Johnny Depp.

Yeah, Ariana Maddox's brother Jeremy, he was arrested in his home in California, but it was on February 16th, which I'm confused as to why it took him this long to arrest him. Well, he was detained at the airport, I believe, with suitcases full of marijuana. With his friend, yeah.

60 pounds or something, right? They discovered that 64 bags belonged to Jeremy, weighing a total of about 76 pounds. Meanwhile, his friend of weed. You know how much weed that is? That's a lot. That's so much weed. Did you just bring through TSA?

That's crazy. Like what? Like flour, literally flour. 70 pounds of flour. That's a lot of dense flours. He was going from Orlando to Germany. So I wonder if he was like, I don't know how long he was gonna be in Germany for,

but fuck, it's like he's. That's not a bright point. But also transporting across country lines with drugs. That's crazy. I've seen a lot of documentaries about that. And his friend had 31 bags in his possession weighing about 37 pounds. What were they?

He's been charged with felony trafficking and marijuana, which according to Florida law carries a potential sentence of up to 30 years in prison and a $200,000 fine. The judge set Jeremy's bail at 80,000 and he has now been released, although he was ordered to surrender his passport. Like, why would you just not FedEx it?

That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know. It's illegal, but like, there's other methods, no, than taking it on a plane through TSA. Also, just like, I can only assume this is some sort of business idea that him and his friend had. It has to be combined.

It's 113 pounds of weed. So it's like, someone was like, I have friends in Germany who really would love our weed. California weed. And they're like, oh, we should bring it to them. This is definitely an attic high idea. Yeah. They just got done watching the movie bloat

starring Johnny Depp. We can do that. I'm with Deb though, like what was the plan? Yeah. What was the plan once you got through like to TSA? International TSA. That's even scary going through customs and declaring a hundred pounds a week.

I just don't think how they would think they could get away with it. I wanna know how they had it stored. Was it just like packed into their carry line? It was in like vacuum sealed bags and their backpack. Like drug dealers. Yeah. So they went through TSA.

So it wasn't even in like a Doritos bag? Like they didn't even try to hide it? They have, you know, X-ray vision technology. I heard they can see if you have poop in you. Oh, probably. In the thing? That's what I think. I saw it on TikToks, that's obviously true. It's obviously true, thought. I saw it on TikTok. That's obviously true.

It's obviously true. No, of course. Everything on TikTok is 100% true. They're like, don't worry. We're TSA pre-check. Yeah, like we don't have to take our shoes off. It'll be fine. I saw somewhere that they thought that if you fly from one place where it's legal to the

other, then that still counts. But even then what I'm looking up is it just saying that like it's illegal to fly with no matter what. Yeah. It still counts, but even then what I'm looking up is it's just saying that it's illegal to fly with no matter what. Yeah, regardless of the state that you're in, marijuana is still considered a scheduled one narcotic, which is the same, I believe, is like cocaine and heroin and meth. I believe it's if you have medical reasons

and it's under one gram you can transport over. I don't know, there might be, yeah. Letter from your doctor. Whatever. And I think in most cases, for example, if you were to show up to an airport and have some marijuana on your persons, if it's a small amount, they're not gonna care

because it is socially acceptable and legal in most states. But when you show up with suitcases full of 70 some pounds of this product, that's a completely different scenario in story, then you have the intent. To distribute. I also just think this is a great moment to remind you that's a completely different scenario in story than you have the intent. The distributive. I also just think this is a great moment to remind you that just because you're siblings with someone, they're not a reflection of you.

Yeah. Well, yeah, I was gonna ask, has Ariana's been, like has she? She hasn't commented and he said prior that he's not in talking with Ariana. Like on a podcast before, yeah. No, no, no, I'm speaking to her. Yeah, I saw an article

that they haven't spoken in a couple months. I mean, like I have, as you all know, 10 siblings. It's a pretty broad spectrum of personalities, belief systems, political beliefs, et cetera, et cetera. Like just because your brother's or sister's with someone or siblings, like we'll be like, oh, can you believe so and so sibling did this or they vote for this person or they believe in this as if it's like a direct reflection of that person.

It's like they're completely two different people. They might have completely two different beliefs or they might have two completely different moral compasses. Like they just happen to be related. They might not even like each other, you know? And so we always like to identify as someone's siblings is like, oh well, if they're brother and sister, then they're very connected or things like that, which often is furthest from the case. You have your own brain.

Even conjoined twins have their own brains. True. And sometimes when one person becomes super famous, family members tend to get super fucking weird. Yeah. You know, maybe, and it seems like Ariana's brother does hang around Tom Sandoval a lot still. Well, he's been charged with felony trafficking in marijuana,

which according to Florida law, carries a potential sentence of up to 30 years in prison and a $200,000 fine. The judge set Jeremy's bail at $80,000 and he has now been released, although he was ordered to surrender his passport. So he cannot leave the country and he owes a lot of money and he's looking up to facing 30 years.

And he did it. It's crazy. For nothing that you can deny. Yeah. Like, oops, didn't know that was in there. Like you hope for a reduced sentence? You know, my friend gave me this suitcase. Yeah, someone left it, and I picked it up.

It's not mine at all, I promise. What does a pound of marijuana go for in Germany, Justin? I'm just trying to figure out- For Frankfurt out just a rough estimate of like what he risked his entire life for. Yeah, a couple of bratwurst. $10,000 or something? I'm sure it was... There's no way that's like, like somewhere on Google.

I'm just curious what... I want to know their thought process. Could you imagine they like get warrants to check his computer and their phone and they find this type of like Google searches of like how much can you make? You know the difference between I don't know if as long as Siri doesn't plan on having 70 pounds of marijuana at the airport I think she can go ahead and Google it. No, no, no. I'm saying imagine if he did.

No, I know. Yeah. But the difference between the random person like searching something on the internet and the actual criminal who's like making the bomb. I will say in Germany it's legal to have 25 grams, nearly one ounce of marijuana for recreational purposes. Nearly one ounce. So he's way over that.

So they weren't even inventing a new business over there. Nope. That's crazy. Confused. That's crazy. Well, I'm also like, you guys can like travel by train anywhere. Like they could just go to Amsterdam, hit up a coffee shop and go home. Like I don't know that it was necessary to bring a bunch

of weed over there on your own. Like, on your own. I just don't understand the thought process, unless you're just selling weed. I hope he goes out soon and answers a lot of questions about what his thought process was. I also think we need to talk about Molly May and Tommy Fury, because this breakup, did we see it coming?

No, well, like yes and no. Unless you are a reality TV relationship skeptic, where you just assume that all relationships that start on reality TV are eventually going to end, then I don't think you saw it coming. Well, no, I mean, there's been several like videos of him out in public with like women touching him, which was like, I remember there was one of him in a public with women touching him, which was like,

I remember there was one of him in a club with, he was with Chris Brown or something. I don't know. And some girl. He was with Chris Brown? Yeah, and some girl was grabbing his face like this, and it was like, whoa, what's going on there? And I think that kind of brought up and then got swept under the rug.

I think he was with Chris Brown. He's a party guy. He's a fighter, boxer. His brother's Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury. So, I mean, he's in party guy, he's a fighter, boxer, his brother's... Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury, so I mean, he's in that shadow. And then Molly May has become such a sensation in the UK. She is like the go-to it girl, and she's very like, stay home, she has... Raise their baby.

She's the only person I think could sue somebody for copying her beige aesthetic, because she is the queen. Yeah. Of just like interior decorating, just everything. So it's like she has a very clean cut put together persona. Tommy and her seem like the perfect couple, but exactly what you're saying,

that the footage that's been leaked and whatnot is him out partying, kind of doing the exact opposite of what they present to the world as their union. Yeah, she posted a very kind of cryptic message that suggested there was infidelity, or people took as her suggesting is infidelity. And then the response from his camp was weird

that he's like hiring lawyers to go after who, is Molly? Well, so his rep said, as Tommy's horrified by the false allegations of cheating being circulated by the media, they're looking into legal action against the false claims. Against the internet? Like the UK tabloids, whoever that may be, yeah. The Sun released an article saying that he was seen

with a blonde girl and they were like all over each other and he had no like... Yeah, good luck trying to... Silence the internet. Silence the internet and then too, like now we're getting into a whole like, well is cheating mean you fuck someone or is cheating mean that you spent all night like

hanging around a bunch of bottle service girls and letting them do lap dances on you and texting them after you go home, hey, I hope to run into you tomorrow? Which maybe in his mind isn't cheating, but in hers is. I also heard he had been saying a lot that he was going away for boxing training camps.

And so I don't know if maybe that was a lie and he was partying instead. I have no idea. It's always alarming to me when you have a couple and they have like you were saying just completely different ways of life. Like Nick and I, where were we? Where we were like, oh my God,

could you imagine if we were like, let's go to the club tonight? Like that's just so not us and it has never been us. And so the fact that like Molly Mae is such just like stay at home mom, loves to just be in her house and he is so obsessed with partying and clubbing and going out and drinking and this and that. It's like how have they ever worked?

No, yeah, no. It's not even if we were to go out. It would be like when we went to New York and it was a Saturday night and you put River to bed and I'm like, all right, well I'm about to go out with my friends and then I showed up at four in the morning fucking plastered. That's crazy.

And I did that most of the time. From what I know about their relationship, which is slim to none, I feel like this was the healthiest choice for Molly May and their daughter Bambi and I hope that they can live a peaceful. She'll be okay regardless. And so will he, to be honest.

It is sad, though, because I'm like, I think everybody just loved them so much. Um, and they were like the real, like, Love Island couple that's like still together, just had a baby. We all cried when we saw the proposal. Like, I don't think anybody really saw it coming, but I'm also such an Instagram sleuth, where I'm like, I follow her, so I was like,

wait, there hasn't been a picture of Tommy. And then all of a sudden it's like very forced. So I think people saw it coming, but not to the extent that the videos are coming out at this point. Yeah, so. Seeing of her beige aesthetic, how, what toys does she buy Bambi?

Because all the toys I find are like the most like loudest, brightest color. Like I would love to see Bambi's room and just see all the toys she plays with. I'm sure they're just like beige blocks. It's like monochromatic. Yeah, literally. She really likes colors.

Yeah, she does. Before we get to Erin and Rob, Deb, have you met any of the current cast this season? Yes, I met Janaye, Kenny, and Kendall. I was in Dallas while they were there and we all went out. How was that? It was so much fun. They're all so sweet.

How was Kendall's vibe? Kendall was great. He showed up a little later. We went to dinner and then one club and he showed up and he was just having a grand old time. Were you there during? When he like kicked out the bottle service girl. No.

That was Vegas. That was Vegas. Yeah, no I wasn't. Because Nicole does address that. But then I saw that they rekindled and were like out partying together. service girl. No. That was Vegas. That was Vegas. Yeah, no I wasn't Vegas. Because Nicole does address that. But then I saw that they rekindled and were like out partying together. Yes, Nicole actually, she breaks down that whole situation.

No, but they were great. I mean, it was, I've never in my life seen fans like that other than like when Leonardo DiCaprio goes to hide, you know, like it was crazy. Just everybody obsessed. We went to the bathroom, Janaye and I, and they were waiting outside the stall. I was like, this is wild.

Not the stall, go outside. No, I will say, I'm like, you know, I've watched US at least for the last three, four years. And I'm like, I've never seen, this is the equivalent of like how it takes off in the UK where all of a sudden it's like, they haven't even left the villa yet, already hit a million, already all of the brand deals,

all of the things. And I was like, Leah just hit three million, I believe. Yeah. Wild, she's been out of the villa for what, two weeks? Three weeks? Like that's actually insane. I was like, that's even giving like old like bachelor situ, like when the girls would come on and by the end of it

it would be like, they're up there, but I'm like, this is astronomical. I mean, people are chasing them down like they're the freaking Beatles. Yeah. From what I saw, they are handling it extremely well, though. They're so sweet to fans. They are just kind of taking it day by day, doing what they can. Did Kendo give off the vibe that he's having relationship problems? No, but I would say, like, he gave off the vibe that he was in a relationship. Okay.

So like, I didn't see him flirting with anybody. Like even like around me, we just, I mean, it wasn't any flirty vibes or anything. So I assume they were still together. Other than what? As far as we know, they still are. Um. I don't buy it. I'm sorry.

Well, you should listen to the episode of Going Deeper. Nicole really does. She struggles., explains herself. I really respect Nicole's approach because with how crazy the fans are and how demanding the fans are of answers, for Nicole to try to, as best she can, disappear a little bit so that she can try to sift

through her own feelings about how she feels about Kendall and this relationship without the influence from fans is at least an admirable attempt. For sure. And she seems like that's what she's attempting to do. And she seems to be really struggling with her past and past relationships, how Kendall's been behaving around her, then the expectations of fans in the show and all of these things combined. I think she's really trying to make the right decision for her and for Kendall and really struggling

with what the best thing is to do. It was a very fascinating episode. I will say I see some of this tea that occurred during the Love Island reunion day and I feel like we can go ahead and debunk the first one which was filming was supposed to begin at 6 p.m., but didn't start until 11 p.m. due to drama between Aaron and Kailer.

That's just not true at all. They started at 6 p.m. I have a text from Kailer at midnight saying that they just got done. So if the reunion's only an hour long, then that sucks. I think it was a very long night. It was very intense, we heard, and that was confirmed. Kailer definitely unleashed, as I'm sure a lot of you saw.

We don't know exactly what was aired. Even that interview of her on the street being like, I'm done, I'm fed up, Aaron and I are no longer together. I was like, if that's on the street, I'm so curious how it went there. I get it from Kayla's standpoint. She really tried to have Aaron's back. Aaron, whether he meant to or not,

and you know, you'll get to hear it from Aaron's mouth in a moment. The internet really was hard on Taylor about how forgiving she was of Aaron, so it was almost like Taylor needed to kind of do this for herself, which I totally get. And, you know, we'll see if Aaron does too in a moment. There's a couple other rumors that are alleged going around. One was Nicole told fans her and Kendall are still together after being completely MIA. We'll address that one.

Well, they are together. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's- That's out now. Then there's Daniela posted a TikTok crying about suicide prevention after filming. That's real because I saw the video. And then Ciara called her NYC trip traumatizing.

So these are just, there's a lot of things going around that people are assuming that the reunion is like volatile. It was very volatile. Even the panel with Remy that they did, she asked everyone to describe it in one word and they said dramatic, crazy, just. And Lea wasn't on that panel, right? Like she's originally supposed to be or announced for the panel and then wasn't actually there.

And I think it was Rob said, you know, he really struggled, he couldn't get a word out, you know, and I think, like we said, Rob is not the guy to talk over people, so he said he really just kind of sat there because no one would give him the space to talk or answer any questions. So I feel like that's kind of-

We gave him the space. Well, Leah also posted on her TikTok with like a caption being like, they don't get any more from me or something like that. Like she was not feeling well when she flew in for the reunion. I don't know what happened at the reunion, but I guess she was like after the panel,

she was like, no, I'm not showing up for that. I think Leah is done with Love Island and done talking about it and done. I think she just is gonna move on with her life. I think a lot of them want to be at this point. You know, we talk about this show every week and it's just the fandom with these people I think has gone to levels that are unhealthy are

Extreme. It's like these fans have an expectation of what they demand from these people and again Like talk about with your friends talk about a podcast stay out of their DMS stay out of their comments stop I don't think they've even gotten to sleep yet. I remember when we came off, we were fried. I think I slept for like two weeks. And so coming off, having all of this fame all of a sudden having to do press for weeks, go to the reunion, I think they're just totally exhausted

and wanna break from everything, which is totally understandable. But then the fans are expecting so much of them and they're trying to deliver, trying to comment, make content, it's a lot. How far did you go on your season? I got third, so start to finish, yeah. If she was an OG.

Yeah. How did that affect your mental health? I didn't really say this going into Love Island, but I used to work in TV production. I used to be a PA. So I kind of understood a lot of the thinking. So going into it, I kind of knew the way things worked in sense of just like long days, blah, blah, blah. So for me, it didn't really affect my mental health much. I also did it when

I was 26. So I think I was a little older than these people. And I don't know, I also was lucky enough that I think the public had a pretty positive perception of me. So I don't know, I also was lucky enough that I think the public had a pretty positive perception of me, so I didn't really have to deal with a lot of the hate. I did get a little bit after games, but yeah, it could be my Zoloft too. Thank God. I mean, that should be working.

I love my Zoloft. I'm like, oh wait, is it working? This season has taken on a whole life of its own. I am curious how this carries over to season seven. I think this cast was incredible. Casting did an amazing job. Each person is their own character, so I think season seven is going to be hard to top, but because there's so many new viewers, I think it will still do well.

And this is why they regulate their alcohol consumption on the show. It's like to drink maximum, I'm pretty positive. But it's like, because of things like this, where I'm like, they're not only having to relive like everything that's happened to them while in the villa, but coming out, it's like they won't have the ability to blame, you know, alcohol or whatever being the cause of like,

why a certain situation went down. Cause that's happened in the past. And then obviously it ended very poorly. Yeah, I don't remember seeing a lot of drunk people. Yeah, like the first two seasons, they were smoking cigarettes, like a UK, they were smoking cigarettes, they were like drinking alcohol, getting into fights. It was like, it was very messy. And then people obviously with their mental health after the seasons aired, they were like, nope, we're doing an alcohol minimum, maximum. Yeah. Damn. Right?

Which kind of sucks because you have to talk about your feelings all the time. That was the hardest part. While drinking a smoothie. Yeah, I was like, I'm sober and I have to tell you that I love you? I don't have to tell you that, but like, I'm supposed to be in tune with my feelings.

There's no liquid courage here. Exactly. Yeah, there it is. This is therapy with producers. Or therapy with your peers. There is another like speculated rumor going around that there's two parts or more than one part for the reunion. And this is just based off of someone noticed like online

that it says part one on reunion. I saw that. That's airing today or last night. So it's like, is there a second part? Is that like right after, are they gonna shoot it later? Yeah. I was like, is that why we couldn't get the screener? Everything is shot.

I think it was either, are we gonna have a really long reunion or break it into two parts? Break it into two parts. Make it four. Give us what we want. I need something to look forward to at night again. We'll talk about obviously the nitty gritty on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap

once we get to watch whatever parts of the reunion they share. It is about time to get to Erin and Rob. I hope that you enjoy this episode and I hope that you have an open heart when you listen to it. And then do not forget that tomorrow's episode of Going Deeper is with Nicole and it's explosive. Explosive? Yeah, it's insightful.

It's eviscerating. I was going to say, was anybody eviscerated? I think we could appreciate Nicole's honesty and transparency about her relationship with Kendall. And I think we can maybe discuss Kendall's behavior, whether we agree or disagree with it. Well, also not necessarily needing to try to eviscerate Kendall, you know? Like, again, I think we sometimes forget

when we watch these shows that we also too make mistakes and we also Have to apologize and we have lied we have manipulated we have talked down to people We have hurt people we claim to care about, you know all these things, you know We have had to you know, really look at ourselves and and and work on ourselves these the people aren't all good and all evil There's there's layers there. They're this human beings. And we appreciate Nicole's willingness to be vulnerable and share her truth on this show, but just make sure that you handle your commentary and your response to it appropriately. All right. Well, oh, by the way, Deb, thanks for coming.

Thanks for having me. It was so fun. Please come back and be our unofficial Love Island correspondent. Stop. Where can people follow you? You can follow me at debchubb on Instagram and TikTok. If you want. Pub off. She's also cousins with all of the football players.

Sure am. And the dog at UGA. I'm not actually, but we're unofficial. DebChubb's a great name. DebChubb's a great name. It's a really good name. Thanks. All right, Erin and Rob.

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Now available in sizes extra, extra small to 4X. If you haven't yet, be sure to let them know we sent you after you place your order, select podcast in the survey and select our show in The drop-down menu that follows Hey Aaron, how are you? I'm great. How are you? Been better. Just a bit stressed. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like the reunion was a tough go for you Yeah, it was a bit of a bit of a manslaughter, but I get it. I understand

So did you expect to walk into that or were you in high hopes? I completely expected it. I knew it was gonna happen. I knew it was gonna go down. So yeah, and I kinda anticipated it, but I also understood where everyone was coming from. I deserved it at the end of the day.

I was in a situation where it's just caught off guard. I know what I did and yeah, so I kind of expected it. When did you and Kayla officially break up? We saw like a week ago or something. She started posting Cripsic the stuff on TikTok. Yeah. So it was on the 7th that we broke up. Yeah. And it was it like right after she watched that?

Like everything? So it got to a point where I was like, after the show obviously like happens, I was like, after the show obviously, that happens, I was like, we were like trying to work things through and stuff and just got to a point where like I realized that. You're all right. Like you got to a point where I just realized that she was just not happy anymore and like, I just wanted to be myself in this situation.

So yeah, so I just did. And that was it. You seem, I mean, obviously you're upset about it. Yeah, it's just hard, isn't it? Is it more like losing what you had with Kahler or is it just like everyone kind of coming down on you pretty hard? When you say like everyone, like I mean, like when I first came out of it, like I was very like first like two or three days was like dealing with the hate like I think very, very

well like I didn't really care as long as like Kayla was okay. But then it just got to a point where I just like I realized that she was getting like less okay with the situation and then as soon a point where I just like, I realized that she was getting like less okay with the situation. And then as soon as like she started getting affected, I just started getting affected from it all. So that's kind of like where it took the toll. But yeah, this is, I'm sorry, man. It's cool.

It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. I'm sure it's a lot. I mean, coming from, I feel like you maybe recovered a little bit from post show and then you had a little bit of a break and then the reunion and then yeah, I'm sure it's a lot. We always said like on the inside of the show, we thought that was going to be the hard part and coming off the show was going to be like more difficult.

But I guess I didn't realize the amount of people that had watched it and you know, like everyone watched the show. So everyone was like fully supporting like Kayla, which I same as me, like I completely understand like a friend and a family and like all the online stuff. So I understand why we got to the point that we were because it was super difficult for her to go through that all and deal with all these like different emotions and stuff and me at the same time.

And so I, I get it. Um, but from my point of view, like point of view, I wasn't so much bothered about the outside world as long as she was okay. But like I said, as it just kind of progressed along and the more difficult it got for her, the more difficult it then in turn became for me. So it just, yeah. Yeah, it's a tough situation you're both in. And I've said this to your other peers that I've gotten to talk to. Like the experience you guys go through is incredibly unique compared to people who go on The Bachelor or Love is Blind

or all the other kind of competition love shows. I mean, they each have their own kind of very difficult experience, but with Love Island essentially being aired in real time, it's gotta be such a mind fuck just because, when I went through a similar experience, I went through that kind of summer camp feel where you bond and everyone's close

and it just feels like this really unique experience and then you get out and you get to decompress from that. Because even that is kind of, you bond, but it is emotional, it is stressful, your emotions kinda get fucked up a little bit, but then you get to go to your family and your support team and then come down from that. And then it airs months later or whenever it is,

which is it's all a difficult challenge, but you guys came out of it. And then the world demanded answers. They wanted to know who you were, why'd you do this, et cetera, et cetera. And then in Kayla's point of view, here she is wanting to forgive you and the entire world, I'm assuming it felt like to her,

was telling her you're an idiot, you're an idiot. I mean, we had, and just full disclosure, obviously, we were fans of both of you, but as someone who was more like, hey listen, I just don't know if he's your guy. He seems like a good guy, just maybe not your guy. And I felt like she was kind of getting pressure from everyone.

And like you said, it was almost impossible for her to almost like look past it. It was just a tough situation. There's no way, like I don't think anyone in that situation could, like I think she dealt with it very, very well. And I don't think anyone in that situation coming up off of a show like that could ever do anything else but how she's

reacted at the end of the day. And I think she's probably reacted better than most people. I don't think I would have been able to react to it like that and I don't think many of the other people would have. So she stuck in there for like a good while and she was like strong and she got through it and got to a point where we were kind of both supporting each other but then like we were both hurting in different ways and it just became like a situation where it's like this is like not good for either of us. I know you've said you know I get it I get it I get it I get it you know like I understand the criticism I've gotten I've gotten I've gotten but I mean Kayla was really tough on

you at the reunion. You've done other interviews where people have been like, holy shit, like this guy's really coming in on you. I get you're trying to like hold yourself accountable, but do you feel like in any way, like either Kayla at the reunion or just people in general have been too hard on you? Like, I know you've recognized your mistake, but you've.

No, I think I'm like, I'm super proud of Kayla for like coming at the reunion the way that she did. I feel like she needed to, like she had to, she had to react to the way that she did. And I wanted her to as well, like as weird as it sounds, like I wanted her to come like down on me because they're like on the show, she dealt with it differently, but you know,

she took a step back for a couple of days and then we kind of had a conversation was coming off the show, people didn't reciprocate that in the best light possible. So I think she needed to go through that process and just for herself to be able to heal and for her to be able to come to the understanding that I did mess up and I did screw up and like that's how she had to deal with it. So I'm like super proud of the fact that she dealt with it like that. Do you almost feel like the reunion was like Kayla's opportunity to kind of handle it the same way Serena did in the villa where like

Cordell just like you and Casa made his mistakes right and Serena came back and just lit a fucking fire under his ass and just kind of got it out and then Cordell kind of owned up to his mistake and it was almost like maybe the reunion was Kayla's opportunity to kind of stand up for herself. Because I feel like that's where she got a lot of criticism where it was like, you know, people called her a pushover and people like, oh, you're stupid for taking him back

and shit like that. And it was almost like her opportunity for redemption. Yeah. It means like Kayla like similar, like a lot of ways, like I would never, if I was ever like upset with someone, I'd always just want to take a beat, take a step back and then have like a discussion with it. Like later on, once I like gathered my thoughts and that's what she did. Obviously that doesn't make great TV.

Like it doesn't. That's just like, it from, from your guys' perspective, like looking in, it just looks like she let me off straight away. She had a conversation. But on the inside, you know, we had a couple of days where we just didn't speak at all and like she just needed her space and her time. And I think there's a conversation where she's like, I don't want space and time. It's like, but you needed the space and time to like gather your thoughts so we could have

that conversation. And then coming on the outside world, obviously the way that the online world has seen her, but then she needed to come back and do that redemption and have that sort of, I don't know, how to describe it, but basically just her standing up for herself. So I think the way that she dealt with it was the best way like possible for her. And I'm, I'm still like happy with her. I've got nothing gates or whatsoever. Like I wish all the best. I'm like still careful at the end of the day.

So, I mean, probably a little raw to answer this question now, but you know, they always say time heals all wounds. And like, I haven't talked to Kayla since we had a chance to speak with her, but you know, it was clear that she was super into you. You know, really, really liked you. And once, you know, you guys are still going through it. You know, you come out of the villa,

you guys deal with the internet, then you have this reunion, you get bombarded. But like, there seems to still be a lot of love there despite the hurt. And they always say the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. And Kayla certainly isn't indifferent about you. She's just obviously very upset.

Do you think there's a world where if there's healing down the road that you guys might stay in touch or reconnect or you think that's healthier to just move on? So honestly, question like, do you feel like, I don't know? I have no idea what the future lies. There will probably be a day that once Kayla's moved past

it and she's healed from it and she's happy again, and that she'll probably wanna reach out and just have one final conversation and just speak about things. But at the same time, I I just, I don't know. And I don't want to hold her to having to have that conversation either. Like if she wants to, then I'm like open

to having that conversation, but equally like the way that I finished at the reunion, like I'm also like happy with the way that she dealt with it. So I don't have any animosity towards her. But would you be hopeful for another chance if there was an opportunity? Just from your point of view. I'm honestly not like right now I don't think I'm in a situation where I can like answer that question. I don't really I don't know. What did you learn from this whole experience

now that the dust is settling? Just that firstly I need to be be more accountable about my situations when I deal with things. Secondly, just to be like, I'm a very person that's like preserved with my feelings and how I feel. I think I'm quite touchy-feely person in the way that I express myself and that's kind of like how I show love. But I also think that for other people, just for a reassurance standpoint of view, I need to be more open and I need to tell people how I feel in that moment, not hold back. And that just comes from a place from the past where I've just been hurt before and

I just don't want to go down that road again and I don't want to put myself in that situation again. So I think moving forward, I actually have to realise that no, if I do feel a certain way, I should just say it. Because there's a lot of times in the show where I felt like saying something, but I just couldn't bring myself to doing it. Cause I didn't want to put myself in that situation where I was going to get her again. Like, what, what do you mean?

Like, do you remember a time? Like what, what would you have wanted to say? I mean, there was a situation even like pre-Cassar Amor where we both kind of knew that we wanted to like close things off and we both kind of knew how we felt for each other, but I never came to her and told that and I think she also feels the same way. Whereas if we would have done that, we would have had a lot healthier relationship like further along and

I was just I was just stupid for it. I was really stupid for it. But I mean, obviously I think the challenge that you guys were in is I think everyone had a different perspective of what Casa Amor meant. Cause even that, I think most people don't fault you for even what happened in Casa Amor. It was more like the difference between how Cordell went about it and how you went about it after Caspar

Moore where it was like, he was like, fuck it, man. Like I did X, Y and Z. And it just seemed like Kahler kind of had, you seemed really resistant to wanting to just say it. Do you think that was more a fear of what Kahler would think of what happened or was it just more audiences reactions? I didn't want to, I didn't want to hurt her. her and in the past like when I've been cheated on before like when I like found out that she'd done it I almost didn't want to know the full story so she just like she just told me look like I've slept with this person and for me I was just like I don't want to know anymore like that's as simple as that just draw the line there like I don't know where the place the time time, any location,

the fine details, anything like that at all. And my mistake going into it was I should have asked Kayla straight up, like, how much do you want to know from this? And rather I just applied how I would want to deal with things thinking that that's how she would want to know. And that's where like I messed up as well. I should have literally just said to her, how much of this do you want to know and gone from there?

Because in the end it became less about like the, what's kind of like the actions and more about like the, like the smaller details and stuff that she was hurt by. And then obviously when like movie night came up, she didn't realize how much of like a romantic connection that I had with Daniela, whereas I should have, I should have told her absolutely everything from the get-go But even in that situation, I was like as I was speaking to her. She was just hurting so bad I was just like my reaction to it was like I've been in this situation for I don't want to know anymore

Let's just leave it there. So I yeah, I should have just said everything to her there and then yeah I mean listen like it's obviously you're going through it right now and like I can feel your energy and I like I don't even know you I want to give you a hug but hopefully like this will be like just a down, you know as someone who knows less like to be in your shoes and have like the the weight of What feels like the world coming down on you and and things like that but it seems like maybe you've learned a really tough but valuable lesson. Because like you said, why people love shows like this is because, well, A, it's fun to

watch. But really what they do is they see themselves or they see their exes or they see their partners and you guys and they kind of compare their situations to you guys. And so when they watch it, it's a very relatable feeling what you just described, to say, well, this is how I would have handled it if I were in that situation, and I just handled it that way because that's what I would have done

and I didn't realize that the person I was talking to isn't me and I should have asked that. It sounds simple in theory, but often we have to learn through really tough lessons and so maybe this will just be that tough lesson for you. Yeah. I think it's also incredibly human of you to just to react that way. And, you know, I think there's a whole

different element because she is going to eventually like watch everything back and to have everyone around her be like, well, we've already seen this and you haven't. I think was that like added harder element to it. But I think it's incredibly human of you to be like, well, we've already seen this and you haven't, I think was that like added harder element to it. But I think it's incredibly human of you to be like, well, this is how I would have done it. So I just went about it this way and it might've been the wrong way, but this is all I knew how to do it.

I think it's human of you. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. I just should have been like, I should have just been more expressive with how like, firstly how I felt and I should have just spoken a lot more because we were like in such a good place like we were in like a honeymoon like period like we just were having so much fun every single day that when it got to that point where we were just going through this like really difficult time it's almost like I didn't want to take away what we had before

and like replace it with that situation where we were both like where Cade was hurting so bad and in turn then I was hurting because I was hurting her. And yeah, it was just, it was very difficult. It was difficult. I kind of had this thought in theory as someone who's watched reality TV in a while. So your first time on reality TV was Traders, right? And you won.

Congratulations, by the way. It's a great show. And my first time on reality tv was Traders, right? And you won. Congratulations, by the way. It's a great show. And my first time on reality tv was The Bachelor, right? And so, like I didn't know shit when I went on, you know, I was like, okay, let's do this show. It's like this kind of, but every show kind of has their culture in the way, you know, you go in there and you know, it's like right reasons for The Bachelor. Make sure you're there for the right reasons and shit. So even though like, yeah, a lot of, everyone, listen, you don't go on reality TV unless you like attention. I know people like, oh, did you do it to be famous? Like everyone who went on the show has an Instagram

and unless you turn off your social media, like, you know. So the whole like, did you do it to be famous is I think kind of a loaded question. But at the same time, even in the bachelor world, you're there to find love. And that idea is ingrained to you. So there's a lot of people who go on the bachelor first and then go on, say, traders, right?

There's been people go on the bachelor and go on the celebrity traders now. And they have kind of this PTSD of, I just want everyone to know that I'm a genuine person, you know Yeah, we're on traders like traders is a game traders is a game about you know Trying to figure things out and I was watching this knowing that you're on traders thinking like does Aaron have a different expectation Almost like not to let you off the hook, but I could see like Kahler being someone who's watched the bachelor before and watched Love Is Blind come into the show and approach it a little bit more earnestly than someone like you who went on Traders.

And the mentality was, this is kind of a TV show, this is kind of a game. There's any accuracy in that or not at all? I think the Traces and Love Island are two very different. One's a game show, one's a reality TV show. And personally, I think Tracers being a game show is more almost real than Love Island as a reality TV show. There's just two completely different worlds. On the Tracers, you get there at seven in the morning

and they go, go do your thing. And you don't get picked up until later on unless you have to do like a challenge or anything like that at all. Like you just, you just live in basically, like they just prompt you in a house and you're just like living with people and you don't get told to go and have conversations

and you don't get prompted to go and do things and you're just there. So you're just trying to like connect with people. You're trying to figure things out and you're just like trying to like work things out essentially. Yeah, so like, I think going into, when I went into the Tracers, my mindset was like,

I almost had a game plan. I remember I did like three points down and I was just like, right, that's my game plan. I'm gonna go in with that. And then on day two, I was just like, okay, my ADHD was like just completely forgot about that. I was just getting emotional, breaking down on time. One guy, he was like writing stories. He's like, yeah, I've got a nine page plan. I'm like, what

the fuck, like, what the hell am I doing here? Like I was just, I was just doing the best I could in every like, like in them situations. I wasn't really thinking anything through, which is why I think I got so far because there was an element of like the traitors. If you are like trying to play the game and you are trying to figure out who the traitors are and you're not a traitor, you're going to get murdered. Simple as that. So I was just there like a headless chicken running around, going a bit crazy. Going into Love Island, I think that I never, apart from season five, which I watched in the

house just beforehand over a period of three days and I didn't really watch it, I just skimmed through it. I just went in there with the same mindset. Oh, I'm just going to be open to whatever. I'm just going to take every day as it comes and just chill whatever. It doesn't matter. But I never anticipated the... You get pulled in a lot of different ways. So it felt very difficult. And at the beginning, it felt very much like I said to Kayla, I was like, we're a team in this. But as it kind of went along, like, not so like bring Rob next, everyone's been like, oh, you want to talk about Rob?

But like Rob was like, for me personally, he was a big support system. Cause I started struggling with the process like very early on, but like Rob had a very like similar experience to it. So we like leaned on each other, like a lot of the time, like we supported each other a lot through it. And we bounced like ideas off of each other all the time because we like, should I do this? Should I not do this? So I never went in there with the expectation of like, okay, I'm going to do this. I just went in there with the expectation

of like, I'm just going to take every day as it comes. I'm just going to enjoy the experience and just go along with it. But yeah, I don't really know if that answers your question. Really? No, it does. It does or doesn't. I'm not sure. Where do you go from here? Where do I go from here? I'm just going to go back home, just chill with my family, get off social media again and just, yeah, just go back to my old life. Like that's what I want to do. I think I need that for a few months just to like chill out, just be with my brother.

I feel like we have no interest in, you know, continuing to come down on you. I think the point has been beaten to a pulp I think like everyone knows what you did you've owned up to what you've done like I think we're all we're all good there you seem so defeated I really hope that like the Aaron that we did see in Love Island that super bubbly loud like I hope he is still in there. Yeah, he comes out. Is he? I mean, I don't really know. Like, honestly, I don't know.

I think I just need to go home. That's what I think. She needs to get out of this place. So, yeah. Hopefully. See, I'm sorry. No, man, I'm sorry. Listen, like it's we talk about these shows all the time. And I even for myself, sometimes I can forget like what it's like to be in your shoes.

And just to hopefully make you feel a little better, like fan is short for fanatic, you know, and like as a big sports fan, you know, I watch these games and I'll be like, fuck man, like, like this, you know, it's like it's not not even personal, you know, in a sense. No, I get it. I understand. I completely get it. I understand. You know, and like we even talk, like we talk about these shows as if we're talking about our favorite sports teams, you know, our favorite characters, you know, and we'll talk about like, I can't believe Aaron did this. And like, I don't even, I don't know who you are when I'm watching the show and shit like that. Or like, I can't believe this person did that, you know? And it's just, you know, these people at the end of the day, like they're all just fans of you. Yeah. Yeah. You know?

And I get that as well. I understand that. Like, you know, I did, like, I messed up a lot in there and I'd like to go back on your point earlier, like, people just put themselves in the situations, like, oh, I had a similar experience to it. So, you know, everyone was, like, really supportive of, of, of, like, Kayla and, like, I deserved, like, what I got coming out on the outside world. And yeah, I just hope that people after this now they just don't go as hard on Kayla and they just like leave her alone and they just ask support with her. And you too man you know I think you're entitled to some peace too you know like we've all made mistakes like everyone all of us we've all hurt people we cared about we've all fucked up we've

all lied we've all manipulated and things like that. Unfortunately for you, it just was recorded, you know, outside of your control. And like, we also know like not that let you off the hook, but like, you know, context sometimes can be lost in TV and things like that. And we're always looking for the most intense situations and we want to be reactive because it's, it's more fun to watch the drama unfold and things like that. So I know you know that and I know you don't want to take it personally, but I just, I don't want you to, you know, have this affect you long-term or, you know, like if anything,

like you've learned from it, right? Like you said that over and over, you've seen your mistakes, just talking to you right now. You've talked about how, what you wish you would have done differently and it's like, yeah, I wish you would have done it differently too. You can't go back, but now you can just go forward and you'll be put in a situation whether on TV or not on TV where you're dating someone and you might have to have

a tough conversation with them and you'll hopefully probably do that next time. You know, and even if that tough conversation makes them cry, but you'll know that like, maybe I just need to do this because the law, like not not telling them right now it'll just get worse and worse. Yeah. You know so. Yeah well I mean I've probably won't ever put anyone in a situation like that ever again so yeah but yeah. All we can do is learn man and it seems like you've matured a lot even just like just like sitting with you right now like I think people's biggest frustration was like what you seem to just not want to own anything at the time. And now like you've done nothing but try,

it's like you're trying to make up for all the like, whatever man, whatever man. And now you're just really trying to almost apologize and apologize and apologize. And that's all you can do man. So try not to beat yourself up. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you.

Well, I think that we're just going to let you go. I really appreciate your time, I know this isn't easy. I really wish you the best and maybe after you heal you'll like, are you like done with TV or just done with TV for now? I mean like TV is like a fun thing to do like everyone always asks me like oh you want to go and be famous? It's like no it's actually really enjoyable like I mean Low Island there was a lot of elements that were, but there's a lot of parts of it that were actually very fun as well. And like other TV shows have been in the past where like, they are extremely fun things to do. Like they are, you get to do challenges, you get to jump out of helicopters, ride speedboats, do all this like crazy shit, which you would

never do on a day to day life. So I probably haven't finished. I just don't want to do anything for the, for the while, the time being. So yeah, that's even if anyone have me on anything else, they're probably like, the time being. So, yeah. And that's even if anyone have you on anything else, they're probably like, screw this guy. I can promise you, you'll get the opportunity. It doesn't matter whether you'll take it. But I wish you nothing but the best. We're obviously big Taylor fans here,

but like we're fans of you too. And like, I'm glad that you're able to learn from this experience. And like, it's all, I promise you, it's all gonna be okay. And I really think that even if you were to care about how the public feels about you, this is definitely an opportunity.

Because for all the people right now who are out there being like, fuck Aaron, fuck this guy, blah, blah, blah, they've also made mistakes too. And so when we all make mistakes, we also want people to give us grace and we want people to be like, I mean, I'm sorry. So this is an opportunity and this maybe is the start going forward of people to be like, you know, I mean, I'm sorry, you know, so like this is an opportunity and this maybe is the start, you know, going forward of people just being like, okay, he finally, he fucking gets it.

So, you know, you didn't kill anyone. You know, crime wasn't committed. Like definitely you fucked up, you know, you hurt someone's feelings and that sucks. But like, you know, you can, you can move on from this. So, yeah, hopefully. And yeah, I appreciate you guys for having me here as well. So thank you. Yeah, well, we appreciate you taking the time.

I know it's not easy and we definitely wish you the best of luck, buddy. Cheers guys, thank you. All right, take care. Hey Rob. How's it going? Good, how are you? Pretty good, how are you?

I'm great, man. How are you? Doing pretty good. Pretty good. You seem very mellow. I'm sleepy. Are you? I'm tired, yeah.

What did you do last night? Nothing, really. We had the... What did we do? I don't remember. Future? No, I didn't go to future. You didn't go to future.

I think I went to Pioneers, this little dive bar, played pool, and then I went to bed. Are you just tired from everything? Is it just a lot? Yeah, I think it's just like, yeah, very draining here. It's been a lot of things to do and the reunion was a lot too. Well, we know obviously the whole Love Island of all

has been draining and the reunion was just a hot mess for everyone, but I feel like if it's okay with you, I'd love to like not talk about Love Island. That sounds great. Great. And I'd love to talk about you, because I think you're like the big enigma of Love Island. And you seem like you keep things close to the vest.

I was a big fan of you. At first, well I am a big fan of you, and I was, so it sounded like. Perfect, I was. And then you did some shit. Like first, well I am a big fan, you know what I was. It sounded like. It was perfect. I was. You did some shit. But like you kind of in a way reminded me of me when I was watching it.

Like and I don't know if this is accurate about you but like you know I'm more reserved, I'm quiet, you know and people usually don't think that would be the case for someone who goes on a reality TV show. Like my resting, like I'm most comfortable when I'm just kind of, I'm more introverted. I'm in a corner. You know, I like having one-on-one conversations a lot more than I like going in group conversations. And I think at times, maybe because I'm tall or I look a certain way that people will never

assume that maybe I'm just quiet or more reserved. They'll just assume I'm like standoffish or a jerk or things like that. And I think, I feel like you maybe might relate to that as someone who's also quiet, great looking guy, and people will look at you and think like, all these things. No, 100%.

I am definitely like someone that I struggle to like speak in groups. It's not that I don't want to or that I'm like shy. It's just I don't know. I like I don't like talking over people and I hate being spoken over. And so I find myself in groups just kind of like I'm way more comfortable just listening and sitting back and and not being like the loudest guy in the room. Yeah, that's definitely not me. But yeah, I do think that that sometimes gives me, I think people read that as like,

oh, he just thinks he's better than us. Or like, you know, like, oh, he's too cool. But like, it's, I'm just chilling. Like that's just- Yeah, I mean, I remember my whole life being like, you're just like cocky. And I'm just like, what did I do? I'm literally just standing here.

Like, you know, like you ever have people come up to you at a party and be like, why aren't you having any fun? Yeah. Smile, smile. Smile. I get that all the time. I have a t-shirt I can get you. It says I was having fun until you asked me why I wasn't.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a bummer that like, I guess as us introverts, like we go out, but like, yeah, I just got that sense from you. And the more I got to watch you on the show, I think a lot of people were caught off guard that you actually despite everyone being like Kendall gives great advice that was like I don't know but you actually gave some pretty good advice which I think a lot of people were caught off guard are you usually the the friend who people go to

in those situations? Yeah I would say with my close friends a lot of them rely on me for advice I think I have like a little bit more of a, I have a different perspective than most people. I try to be really open-minded and see all sides of things. Like a lot of my friends, like they want like to be shot straight. Like I'm not always going to give them, I'm never going to tell them what they want to hear if I know that's not what they need. That's something I always try to do.

Yeah. Cause I like, I try to keep an objective view when someone's like talking to me about their problems because I know their side of it but you also have to understand like that's their perception of it and there's like so many other variables that they're probably not even thinking about. Have you always been that way or did you just, is that kind of what you want from other people so you give it to them? I think I've always been that way, honestly. I've always been like an observer.

I'm very, very observant. Yeah. And I enjoy just like sitting back and taking in like a room or like people and trying to understand how they work and like what makes their gears turn. Yeah, I relate to that a lot. And I think sometimes us observers, I feel like, have you ever been told by people,

like people think that you're judging them when you're looking at them? Yeah, yeah, or like, why are you looking at me like that? Yeah. I'm just looking at you. Yeah. But I think we don't, like, I feel like I have had to learn from people's perception of, like, they see my eyes kind of looking at them, like, observing them.

And like, it's like, I'm not meaning to do it in a judgmental way, I'm just naturally curious. I've never been the person who worries about being the life of the party, or making sure that I'm involved. I've always been comfortable being an outsider, but the flip side of that is I feel like I've unfortunately made people uncomfortable

just by doing nothing but looking at them. But at the same time, I also was like in the friend who gives people advice because I'll I'll just be straight with them. And, and I found myself to be a little bit more, I guess, like introspective, you know? And so like, it's like I always tell people I'm the friend that you need, but not always the friend that you want, you know, and I feel like you relate to that. Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was, what did you do? Like, did you play sports in high school? I played football and baseball. Yeah, were you good?

I mean, I went to small school. Okay. I was okay. Okay. Were you always like a jock, or what other like passions did you have? No, like, dude, like I'm like a jack of all trades. I've done like, I've tried everything.

I love, like my favorite thing to do is create. Like I love making stuff. Okay. That's like my favorite thing to do. Did you do drama in high school? No. Do you wish? I only say that because like I was a jock in high school,

but like I wish I would have done drama as well. Like I still love sports and I feel like you have this like creative artistic side. Yeah. And I couldn't help but like Rob do trauma in high school. I was I was in a play. Okay I was in my senior play one of my friends that did theater like all throughout high school I was like dude be it like traffic baseball team and he's like, okay only if you like try I was like, okay I'll try out for the play. He's like, it's called an audition. I was like And I went and I didn't know it was Beauty and the Beast and I didn't know like You had to like sing a song and I went I read didn't know it was Beauty and the Beast. And I didn't know like, you had to like sing a song.

And I went, I read some lines and like, all right, what song are you singing? I was like, oh, I gotta sing a song. And I remember I sang Mercy by Shawn Mendes. It was like, what was on the radio at the time. And I didn't even know the words. And I was like, okay. I was like, well, I did that.

And then I was, they cast me as Gaston. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Wow. Do you have a good voice? I mean, it's all right. Okay, I can carry it in. I have a terrible one How did the Nessa Barrett music video come about? Well, she just asked me to do it. She's DM June was like get in this music video. I was like, okay, it was hot There was some extreme chemistry. That was really fun. She's a great girl. You guys remain friends? Yeah, yeah, we're cool.

Yeah, cool. Definitely. All right, all right. Why are you looking at me like that? I'm just looking at you. Okay. But did that, like, you say it like, yeah, we're friends, but did that feel surreal,

or to do that, or were you comfortable in that situation? I was very comfortable, honestly. Like, I was surprised like how well we got along just like in between just like talking and stuff and just was like pretty relaxed I felt like it was pretty like for how intense of a music video it was like it wasn't ever I never felt uncomfortable. Was that your first music video? No. It wasn't.

I did one for a friend a while ago. Okay. My friend. What friend? Famous? Um, not really. No. What is it? It's just our music video.

Um, my name's Ellie. I feel like a lot of people watching the show, I've seen stuff online being like, Rob's a producer plant or like this, you know, they're trying to figure you out. What did you make of those comments? And just to confirm, are you a producer plan? No, I'm not. Okay, I didn't think that. I know you weren't.

Where do you get your fashion sense? I go for like the homeless chic. That's like, that's kind of what I'm going for. I mean, like you have great fashion sense. You think so? Yeah. I think it's so funny when people tell me that because my family my whole life is just giving me shit So you grew up in Alabama? Yeah. Yeah, I grew up in Wisconsin Like people need a name for for guys who like stripes in those places of the world

But like yeah, listen people love to like Meets I mean to say that earlier. I appreciate it. But late net my Nellie got me into them But um, you you seem like you at least make an effort, whether people like it or dislike it, you try. I mean, I have things that I like. I'm like, I like that. Does it work? I don't know, but I'm gonna wear it anyway.

Like, it's kind of- It's like you don't really care if it works or not. Yeah, yeah. But it all comes from you. It's not like you got a stylist for the show. No, no. And comfort is a huge part of my fashion. I love comfortable clothes.

Like baggy, stuff like that. And I also like clothes that at any point, if I need to, I can like catch snake. Yes, of course. I should be prepared at all times. No, I'm actually serious though. Like I don't like wearing shoes that don't have like good grip that I can't like run in.

You have to run to catch a snake? Oh, sometimes, yeah. To like chase them? Well, yeah. I mean, they're pretty quick. No, I just didn't realize that you were like running after them, I guess. Pretty much all my shoes have an expiration date of like, if it's like the season of snakes,

or like I'm like around the environment in the habitat, it's like three months, and eventually there will be a bottle of water that a snake goes in, and I'm like, I gotta get in there. Yeah, and then my shoes just get soaked in the swamp or whatever it is. So where did this obsession with snakes come from?

I wouldn't call it an obsession. It's fascination. Well, I don't know, you can call it whatever you want. I don't give a shit. I just always loved them. I caught my first snake when I was four. But I love all animals, really. But I think snakes are really cool.

I mean, they're gorgeous, and I think they're extremely like misunderstood by people. I think people think they're like, yeah, to get you. It's just like shark, you know? Someone who's afraid of snakes, like help me get over my fear. Like why am I misjudging? They just, why are you scared of them? Let me ask you that.

I don't know, just a phobia, I guess. Like I've never really held one, but I just, for whatever reason, they've just, I remember I was in high school school like my science teacher like walked in Holding like this pretty big fucking snake and I literally jump jumped up and ran to the back of the room I don't know. I just always been afraid of spiders. No problem. I can let the letters crawl over me just I Mean, I mean, there's nothing to be scared of but it's not gonna do anything. It's just chilling It was like bite you, strangle you.

I mean, like a snake's not going to come and bite you. Like it's just going to sit there or slither away. I mean, unless it's like you're in like Southeast Asia and there's like a giant reticulated python might try to eat you. But like that we're in New York City. Like you're fine. I'm not like walking around, like make sure there's no fucking snakes. But if you brought one out, you know, like I around like make sure there's no fucking snakes but if you brought

one out you know like yeah I might get a squeal out of me but uh where'd you go to college? I went to North Alabama. University of North Alabama. Where did you study? Photography. Oh yeah. What made you do that? Well I started out in film. I wanted to be a film director. And then to be completely honest that just the people in my department like to do film, it's a team effort, and I was just like, these people are, I have found it hard to find people that actually wanted to make good stuff and they didn't wanna just do the assignment,

they wanted to make something like art. But I switched to photography because that's a solo thing, you can do it all by yourself. What's next for you? What's next? Yeah, what do you wanna do with your new found fame, you got a huge platform, you know, there's a lot of things you could do.

What do you wanna do? No idea. Any ideas? I mean like- Try acting, you could do hosting. I mean, yeah. Are you almost afraid to like say it is because of how people are with reality?

No, not at all, like genuinely like, I know I wouldn't do anything like that. Like I'm not going to do anything where I'm like committed to like being in a big city for a long time. If I did anything with TV, like I would be maybe interested in doing like my own show, like maybe like catching like snakes or like taking like, uh, I thought about like maybe like a show where like I take like celebrities and influencers like into the jungle of the wild or something. Yeah, like catching snakes and stuff and stuff, that would be cool. But even then, I don't know what I want,

to be completely honest. In life or just for your career? For my career, I think. In life, I know what I want. What's that? To be happy. Okay, what makes you happy? Freedom, being able to do what I love,

the ability to travel and experience new things. Where does love fit in the equation for you? Love? Yeah. Like romantic love? Yeah, sure. I mean, I guess someone who like, you were a hot commodity on the island.

Yeah. You had some great makeouts, but like, you just didn't, you didn't vibe with anyone. And that's, or just like on a romantic level. Yeah. And I know like a lot of fans were like, oh like, yeah, again, that's I think where the Perusia plant stuff came in,

but at the same time, I know what it's like to like show up like being the bachelor, like they're like, oh, we brought 30 women and you're like, great, you know? And it's just like, they were all wonderful, just like not for me, you know? But people have an expectation that like all these beautiful people should all, someone should fall in love with somebody.

Yeah. So like, I don't fault you that like, maybe like your person just wasn't there. Well, that's crazy. Yeah. Like statistically, it's insane that you're like, okay, even like, all right, there's a hundred girls. I got them all.

Yeah. One of them is the one. Like what? The odds of that happening are insane to me. Like the fact that people could be even like upset about that realistically is crazy to me. But I mean, at the same time though, I don't know. Maybe they're right, maybe I'm too picky.

It does love fall into that what's next for you. Are you asking what I'm looking for? Sure. Yeah, what are your personality traits that you're drawn to? What's the happiest you've been in relationships? Like I think I really enjoy When someone's passionate about something And like they're chasing their dreams and and someone that just wants to like experience life

like together, you know, because I think that's like the key and like growing together is like having experiences and changing together because you're gonna change. You're gonna grow apart, you're gonna grow together. And I think if you can find someone that's interested in some of the same things, that's what that's gonna happen. And that's like really important to me. And you don't necessarily have to have the same interests,

but you have to be be willing to make sacrifices. So if they're anti-snakes. I mean, it's not a deal breaker. It's not a deal breaker. It's not a deal breaker. It's just, there's gotta be something. But I do, I really like creative women, but they don't have to be.

They can have their own thing, but I do like it when they've got that thing they talk about and they get that spark in their eye and it's like, oh, that's that like they talk about and I get that spark in their eye and it's like oh like that's awesome like I want to help you with that you know. I feel like you need a strong personality. Yeah someone who knows who they are. Yeah yeah yeah. Nick and I compliment each other because he's very quiet and laid-back and all of the things he kind of described and I'm more of the louder extroverted

personality and so I think we really bring the sides out in each other and maybe that's the type of person you need. Have you had your heart broken before? I've been heartbroken before, but it was my fault. What happened? A series of events, I reckon, but like, I think it started with just like my own personal issues leading to being a terrible boyfriend leading to resentment leading

to like still loving that person but like not being who they needed. What did you learn from that experience? That no matter what's going on with me if I meet someone and I feel that way about them again, like I can't let that get in the way of like prioritizing our relationship, no matter like how I'm feeling. Cause I was having a hard time and I think I just kind of like cut her out.

And that's like, I mean, once you do that, like it's really hard to get out of that. Were you having a hard time like personally, mentally with family stuff and then you just didn't relay that? Yeah, kind of shut down. I've got like a bad habit of that I think.

But that's something I really like will be super mindful about my next relationship. How do you think you're the most misunderstood? I don't know. I don't really care to be completely honest. No, I get that and I respect that a lot. I mean, I, as someone who also doesn't spend much energy worrying about it, but like,

it is nice to feel seen sometimes. It is, it's really nice when- Must be frustrating to have to defend yourself over silly things sometimes. Oh, the thing is I just don't defend myself. Like, it doesn't matter to me what some random person that doesn't know me thinks about me. Like, does it hurt? Do the it doesn't hurt, words hurt.

Yeah, they hurt. They'll get to you, they'll get in your head, they'll get you down. But at the end of the day, like they don't know who I am. And there are a lot of people that do and that's what matters, I think. You know, like the people that are close to me are the opinions that I care about, I guess.

Who are you closest with? My best friend, my siblings. I've got a lot of really good friends. I've lived a lot of life in my 25 years. I've traveled a lot and I've met a lot of people and I respect a lot of them. What was your childhood like? Unorthodox.

Was it? I reckon, yeah, I was homeschooled till high school. And I grew up on a 200 acre farm in a trailer, family of six, three bedrooms. I was up on a 200 acre farm in a trailer, family of six, three bedrooms. I was always sharing a bedroom with one of my siblings. We went through like a cycle of like, okay, I hate you, switch into the other one. Okay, we're good. I hate you again, switch into the other one.

But I pretty much spent all my time outside that I could. Was never materialistic, never really cared about things or toys or stuff. I was a really hard kid to punish. He'd be like, take away his toys, and he'd be like, all he has is sticks. Like, what are we gonna do? It was, yeah, I think, and I think that's also how I got to be kinda how you're talking about how you are.

Are you a middle child? I'm the second oldest of 11. Okay. Yeah. Well, but you were probably a background character in your family. Do you feel like that? I was very, I always joked that I was an only child with 10 siblings, I just kinda did my thing, and kind of was like comfortable,

like I was always very independent, so like I never really, like while a lot of my other siblings were like tattling on each other and fighting, I was just kinda doing my own thing. That's a lot like how I was, I kinda just did my own thing. And I would lot like how I was. I kind of just did my own thing. And I would participate in all their little things

they like to do. But yeah, I was very independent. And I never really like, I've always had a trouble with asking for help and like letting people do things for me. Cause I think I got used to that at a young age. Like just kind of like being in my own little world. Like letting people take care of you.

Yeah. How did you end up going to Love Island in the first place? They just messaged me on Instagram. Oh really, yeah. They just got it, yeah. Are your parents together or? No, they divorced a couple years ago. Tough situation?

Yes and no. It was something that I think I saw coming a mile away, but you know, observant. But I think some of my other siblings, they get a little harder. And my, my oldest sister has Down syndrome. I think it was hardest for her. Cause like, yeah, you know, it's just not the same. She just doesn't get it as much, you know, she's like, why is dad going, you know, well, but it's, it's been really good for both of them.

I think they're in way better places than they would have been. They sit together. So what did you learn about that experience that you want to take with you for yourself? Like, I don't know when you're gonna find love or what that will be, but did you learn anything from your parents, even through divorce, that you thought, you know, maybe if nothing else, a silver lining will be

that I'll try to do something different? Well, 100%, 100%. I think I learned a lot from my parents and what I don't want in a relationship. But that's their business. I'm not gonna air that out. Understand. You know, yeah.

Is that known that one of your sisters down syndrome? Is that a known thing? Did you ever talk about that on the show? Yeah, I talked about it with Kayla. There's Kayla volunteers with autistic kids. I know something we kind of connected on, but I try not to talk about it too much. But I make, I make these videos. I used to make these videos with her.

They were really fun. Um, what did you do with them? She, we used to do this. We did a bunch of things, but we did, she loves vampire diary. So we did a little like vampire diary series for a while. We did some high school musical things, and I took her to Catching Snakes a couple times. And I made these little short film music videos with her.

Those are my favorite, they're so cute. We just have fun. Bella was also left out, and I think sometimes we, all right, let's go. We're gonna go for a walk or do some random fit. You team up with her. What's the most adventurous thing you've ever done? The first time I went skydiving,

I didn't jump tandem. You can like take a class. Yeah, it took like a six hour class, so I didn't have to be strapped to anyone. That was the first time? That was the first time I ever did it, yeah. And they were like, are you sure you wanted, like apparently a lot of people don't do that

because you could pass out. Yeah, I've done it once, I was tandem. It was awesome, but I definitely would not have gone. So they literally had to kind of force me out of the plane. Yeah, I wanted to be able to say I never jumped tandem, but I definitely would not have gone. They literally had to kind of force me out of the plane. Yeah. I wanted to be able to say I never jumped tandem, but I had to do it. I was working with these guys, Cheeky Boyos,

and we got a brand deal with Carl's Jr. And we had to do something for them. So I ate their new burger while skydiving, and I was tandem, but I was like, dang, ruined my streak. How often do you skydive? That was the second time. Okay. I still ruined it. Yeah, ruined my streak. How often do you skydive? That was the second time. Okay. I still ruined it.

Yeah, like what streak do you have? That would have been my second solo dive by myself, but yeah. Now, that's my wife. I met her in the DM. She DM'd me. Oh. So it works.

It worked. I should read those. I only brought up, because I imagine your DMs are full. You are America's heart throb America's heart Rob Oh my god, just made that up You should put that in your bio You should all right for anyone listening. I know it sounds like you're a little maybe kind of

Maybe not looking for love right now, you're a little reserved, but if someone were to slide into your DMs, like how could someone stand out to you? And if they wanted, if like, not just like a fan who just like wants to meet you and thinks you're hot or like one night stand it, but like if someone was just like, I don't know, I like the guy, I understand him,

I wanna get to know him, like what, how would a lady stand out for you? It's just, at this point, everything's so crazy. And I've got a little bit of trust issues, so I think I would just not, you know what I'm saying? I don't think there's anyone that could say over text to me that I'm gonna be like, oh yeah. What's wrong with that?

What are your trust issues? She's genuine. Yeah, you never trust issues come from? She's genuine. Yeah, yeah. You never really understand that. She's genuine. I didn't say that. How can someone DM you so you know you're getting married? She said, I'm not LOL.

Yeah, yeah. That's for sure. No, I mean, that's a good question, but I don't know. Where do your trust issues come from? I just have a hard time letting people in. It's something I've been working on for a long time. But yeah, I think it just comes from being so independent. Nah.

You're just tough not to crack for no reason. Yep. Okay. Are you in therapy? Yeah, you seem very like, you kind of know yourself and you know what you want and you for the most part. I'm making an effort. You're trying. I am.

I'm trying. You're trying. I'm trying. Well, we got to let you go. Oh, it's OK. It's OK. Is this better, worse or what exactly what you expected? Oh, it's better. It's better. Yeah. I thought we were going to talk about the show. So, like, I mean, I don't know, like, I've already done. Unless. I thought we were going to talk about the show. So like, I mean, I don't know. Like I've already talked to you. Unless there's something new you wanted to talk about.

But like, I think for someone who like, who is closed off, who like, obviously there's, you know, you got that shell and I think people are very fascinated with who the real Rob is. And there's just a lot of ideas and judgments and opinions about you. I just would rather spend the time, you know, actually getting to know you. Cause like when it comes to reality TV, just would rather spend the time, you know, actually getting to know you.

Cause like when it comes to reality TV, we just get to know characters. You know, you're, you're siled into a box of like what people think you should be or, you know, or what the show thinks you should be and things like that. And as someone who knows what it's like to have people think one thing and be like, I don't know, it's not me at all.

I was more interested in just kind of getting to know you. I appreciate that. Well, we tried, we tried to give the fans like, an don't know, it's not me at all. I was more interested in just kinda getting to know you. I appreciate that. We tried, we tried to give the fans an entry way into you. Do you think you got some stuff? I don't know, you're definitely a very, you're tough, you're tough. It's okay, it's not like a bad, well.

Well, I'll ask you one more question about that. For someone who is closed off, if someone were to say, well, why go on TV or why go on reality TV if you are someone who doesn't like to open up, what would you say to that? It was for the plot, like, I don't know. They asked me to do it.

With them. It sounded fun. Fair enough. All right, Rob, well, we appreciate you. We wish you the best of luck. Do you think your friend Aaron's going to be okay? Yeah. I think so too. I really hope so. I think so too, but I don't want to jinx it. All right. Is there anything, anything else you need to get off your chest? Any bombs you need to drop? Any tea you need to spill? Any bad bitches you want to shout out?

No. Perfect. Clip it. All right, bye Rob. Thanks for listening. Well, let's all give Aaron a hug. Just metaphoric. I did actually, after we got done recording, just gave him like a good 20 second hug.

They say 20 seconds is the amount that you should hug for that releases the... I really felt for Erin after. Someone hugged me for 20 seconds. You have to hug for 20 seconds. It doesn't work if you don't hug for 20 seconds, Deb. Is it a side hug or like a double hug? No, it's a...

Right, okay. It's probably the Zola. Yeah. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Going deeper with Nicole. Yeah.