The Viall Files - E797 - Love Island Reunion, RHODubai w/ Caroline Stansbury, and Love is Blind UK w/ Loren Gray

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! The Love Island USA Reunion aired, and boy was it JUICY. Join us to talk Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni, TikTok Influencer feuds, the Bachelorette, Real Housewives of Dubai, and Love is Blind UK! Plus we have on Caroline Stansbury and Loren Gray! “Some would say they made the show about you.” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Quince - Upgrade your wardrobe with pieces made to last with Quince. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Huggies - To learn more visit https://www.huggies.com  Rocket Money - Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to https://www.RocketMoney.com/VIALL  Vuori - Vuori is an investment in your happiness. For our listeners, they are offering 20% off your FIRST purchase when you visit https://www.vuori.com/VIALL  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @carolinestanbury @loren @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:38 - Love Island 26:09 - TikTok Love Triangle 34:39 - It Ends With Us 38:42 - Disney 42:06 - Bethenny Frankel 44:30 - Chappell Roan 55:08 - Caroline Interview 01:24:05 - Welcome Loren 01:32:21 - New Movie 01:37:51 - Reality and Love Is Blind UK 01:44:45 - Bachelorette Thoughts 01:54:38 - Dating 02:02:03 - Hometowns Recap 02:09:05 - Outro

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by the household employee. This episode is jam packed. Lots to get into. What, Sierra? Do I just give you the ick? The coffee is working today, I guess.

For me? Yes. You know, he got to sleep till 7.30, because River slept till 7.30. Energy at 12. Well, that was after she woke up at five and tried to have a 30 minute conversation with us. Oh, so sweet.

Yep, so sweet. I'm always like, River River in the nicest way possible, shut the fuck up. Because I'll bring her into bed with us after she wakes up at like five in the morning when it's snuggle time. Oh. I mean, she usually falls back asleep.

Do you guys sing to her? Like Kylie Jenner? Sing? Oh, of course. Where she's like, her eyes and shine. I guess I sing a little bit, yeah. Okay, so what's the song? It's not really a... Nick Hums, he doesn't sing. little bit, yeah. Okay, so what's the song? It's not really a... Nick Holmes, he doesn't sing. Yeah, I hum.

I've sang, I don't know what I've sang. Yes, well, yesterday I read her some Packer articles. Oh. Yeah. Now I was like, we need to read to our daughter more. And I was like, for sure. And then I was like, Jordan Love went five for seven today at practice.

I was thinking like the wheels on the bus, you know, the sweet little books that I have purchased and everyone has given us on her bookshelf. I've learned this from the movie, Three Men and Baby, it's not what you read, it's how you read it. Yeah. You got that baby voice.

You just have to get the words out. Do you read it very like- Oh my God, I was like Jordan Love was five for seven today, yay! Yeah, but I didn't throw an interception. Was she interested? She fell asleep. Sounds about right.

Sounds like she was bored. I was putting her to bed. I was putting her to bed. None of y'all are gonna fall asleep this episode. We have a lot to talk about, a lot to get into. We got some wonderful guests joining us. We have Caroline Stansberry from the Real Housewives of Dubai. I just started watching.

I'm fully tapped in. I've seen every Caroline Stansberry scene, thanks to my good friend, sweet boy Justin. I love Dubai. It's really good. It's good. I love Sergio. Sergio is cute. I am Sergio.

Baby, baby, baby, baby. I thought you were calling me. I was like, yes, what? Do you want to snuggle? No, I love him so much. You have to say tiki tiki. Tiki tiki. Baby, baby, baby. Oh, I thought you were calling me. I was like, yes, what? Do you want to snuggle? No, I love him so much.

You have to say tiki tiki. Tiki tiki. Yeah, no, we're excited to talk to Caroline. She's really gives a very like Lisa Vanderpump. Maybe it's the Brit in her, but she gives kind of like, I'm a little bit better than all of you, which I kind of love to her peers.

Well, I think part of it is like her and Lisa have the, we have real money, so we don't need to like really give into the drama and the performing because I exist rich outside of the context. Yeah. Yeah. But are not the, but the other, they all seem to be super rich. Oh yeah, they're all rich,

but it's like she doesn't have to perform. How many of the housewives of Dubai are rich via marriage versus like Caroline, who's like seems to have been rich as she Exited the womb of her mother a lot of them are self-made Yeah, okay, some of them have like well Caroline doesn't seem to be self-money. She was old money Oh, but then she also had money. She had money from her ex as well. Interesting. Anyways, we have Caroline We also have the wonderfully talented Lauren Gray

Of the Netflix's new movie, Incoming, who also talk a little Love is Blind UK, which is weird to say, because I always want to say Love Island UK. Now that we're saying like UK and USA. We just started watching a little bit. We talk a lot about that with Lauren, plus a little Bachelorette talk.

We also have the Love Island reunion. Lots to get into with that, obviously. Was there? Yeah, thank you. There was. Well, I mean, coming up. We'll get there. Well, everyone's talking about Nicole.

Oh, no, no. I know, we did our part, but I don't know if Peacock delivered on their end. Thank you. There should have been multiple parts. Yes. That's what I have to say. Segments, real segments. Why was it? Do you wanna argue about it right now? Or should we do household headlines first? Sorry, excuse us. And. That's what I have to say. Segments, real segments. Why was it?

Do you want to argue about it right now? Or should we do household headlines first? Sorry, excuse us. I don't care, no. I don't know, it felt very like genuine. It was just like off the cuff. We can just go right into it and we can talk about, it ends with us.

Stuff after. Great, so first of all, way too many fucking people there. Way too many, I don't need to see Harrison. Why are we talking to people that were there for three days? Exactly. Wait, I started at Cost Le Mor and I was like, talking to people that were there for three days? Exactly. Wait, I started at Kosselmore and I was like, who were half of the people on the couch? Thank you.

I didn't need to see, was it Koi? Koi. Koi, apologize for a live that no one knew about. Nobody saw it. Like that, you could have just texted DM Janay that. Also I saw Dea did a live and, like, Ariana was wrapping up the reunion, and Deja hadn't said anything, and so then Deja was like, well, when are you gonna get to me?

And they were like, well, we don't really have anything. She's like, well, then why am I here? Because you told me you were gonna ask me questions, and I was gonna get the space to speak. And they were like, we don't really have time. And she was like, and they're like, well, what do you wanna say? And that's when she brought up the whole bullying or hate. So it kind of got cut out of context.

And then she was like, and then they put it in the middle to make it seem like. No, that's fair, because I'm like, it makes no sense why half those people there. There are people that didn't speak at all. And then I was like, you asked our main four couples? Nothing. I know nothing about Miguel and Leah.

I was like, why was Leah and Rob the main package and Miguel was cut out of it entirely? Cause Serena and Cordell, we learned nothing new. If you didn't follow them on TikTok and Instagram that you didn't already know, they're the winners. Okay, but we gave Dea or Andrea, Andrea got 40 minutes of the entire reunion. It was a lot of Andrea.

It was only Andrea. Yeah, that's true. And the whole 15 minutes of their, the actual backseat. Like... Do you guys fault Andrea for? I feel like they were all... Fault Andrea? I think, I felt like they were all kind of coming for her and she was trying to explain herself.

I love PPG, but I don't agree when people are like, you just need to sit there and be silent, and then I like berate you. Yeah. Like, that's how I felt. Like, they were making fun and poking at Andrea, but they were like, you have to sit there and just be silent.

Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of commentary in the zeitgeist of Love Island that, about like maybe some mean girl sentiment from some of the cast. I think it's a very interesting dynamic of one I can relate to in the sense that like, these shows, there are hierarchies, right? And there's hierarchies, you know, one, it's just, it's always very high school.

I thought it was very awkward that they put Leah on the spot to talk about how many followers she has in a room full of people who all wish they had the same amount of followers. Like how is Leah gonna answer that question in a way that's not gonna potentially open her up for criticism? It's like, let's talk about how much money we all make,

you know, and we all make, and we all wish we made a million dollars, and some of us are making a million dollars, but some of us aren't making any money, but let's just put the person, it's just a tough spot to be in. That being said too, it's just like the PPG and the final couples, just like in Bachelor World,

if you make it to hometowns, your lived experience on that show is night and day different than someone who went home week two. It just is. That being said, the people who go home week two, week three, they have their own experience, their own lived experience too.

It is sometimes frustrating for people who go all the way, so to speak, to hear some of the commentary from their peers, compare their lived experience, right? Right or wrong, I just, I know what it's like to feel like you don't know what it's like to be in my shoes, you didn't have the same experience. And then people who are on for like a couple episodes

will talk about the show, you know, granted, because they were on it, they were there, they know certainly a lot about what it's like to be on Love Island way more than us, right? So they're speaking from a position of being an expert, which to some degree they are, but compared to like the PPG or the final cast, it's like it is a night and day difference.

And so there is always gonna be a bit of a hierarchy with people and a frustration from people who go all the way, hearing from people who like honestly are speaking on things that in some cases they honestly don't know what the fuck they're talking about, right? And I think sometimes that can present as a bit, you know, mean girly in a way.

Like we were just seeing a bunch of reaction shots from a lot of the cast when other people were talking, you know, which kind of presented as a bit like snarky or whatever, and maybe that's what they were doing, or maybe it was just awkward, or maybe they weren't really, I don't know. Like, I just think sometimes when you go off people's facial reactions to judge their opinion

on something, it can be very misleading. I mean, that's very, I mean, that is how reality TV is made. To like, to show a facial reaction and put it up with some sort of voiceover or whatever, and I'm not saying that's what was done, but even like, there was like, even our Nicole interview or Erin, like, I think there were some moments where Nellie and I, like, you look at us

and it almost looks like we might be smiling. Sometimes it can be awkward to like and you're in an uncomfortable setting and there's a lot of emotion and like sometimes your facial reactions don't match the the feelings that you're having and there's a lot of that going on and I think we all need to maybe pause a little bit before we jump on and be like body language experts and start reading people's like social cues and things like that. But I have a little bit of empathy for like the PPG and like I, and I wanna defend them

for any kind of criticism about like being mean girls and things like that, because I think it maybe comes from a place of frustration of how their peers handle themselves. At the same time, I do think, you know, the Andreas of the world and the Deas, they do have a lived experience of their own. And I do feel like Andrea was just trying to articulate

that and I wish I would have seen, I would have liked to seen a little bit more like empathy and understanding from the original cast because it didn't land as well as I think maybe they wanted it to. I agree with that. And I was also like, the thing that I do like or that I will defend for PPG is that I'm like, they didn't go on podcasts and all of these interviews

talking about other cast members. They just talked about their experience where other people were going on these podcasts and making them the subject of their experience. Yeah, I don't agree with a lot of what Andrea said, but I understand her explanation of being like, of their experience. Yeah, I don't agree with a lot of what Andrea said, but I understand her explanation of being like, I was just trying to respond to all these people

coming at me. And I think what's very clear is that coming off of Love Island, which is someone who knows what it's like to come off a reality TV show, is such a different experience. And these people are ill-prepared for the onslaught and the intensity of the fans' reactions. And honestly, I don't even think the producers

were as prepared, because this show has never been as popular as season six was, and the intensity is now matching the intensity of UK, and it's scary and dangerous how intense some of these fans can be. I just also wish that they organized it a little bit better, segmented out the reunion because it was kind of strange

how they started off with everybody else and then they brought out the four winners, but there was nothing, there was no reason why the four winners weren't brought out at the same time, where I'm like, why didn't you give everybody who's on the stage their space to say what they needed to say,

and then we can focus on the winners and hear from them as well, but we got none of that. Like, why was Nigel Cass, Hakim, why were they all there? I don't, if I had to guess, my guess is that they probably had the best of intentions of kind of giving everyone their space or whatever,

but they showed up. And the thing about reality TV is what producers are always the best at is just kind of like having a plan but being willing to adjust on the fly because they wanna keep it as authentic as possible. So they show up, Kaylor's ready to give Aaron a fucking talking to, you have the Nicole and Kendall

of it all, and it seemed like, and the Andrea of it all, and it seemed like that took up a lot of the time. I think the only thing that I don't really understand is like, you were really into it. I mean, Sarah and I seem on the same page. I don't really get the whole, why did we need 15 minutes? Knowing that we had, I mean, I guess I thought there was way more reunion after that,

but it felt like the entire reunion was that conversation about did Leah take the backseat or not. And I guess, yeah, in the moment, it felt like the entire reunion was that conversation about did Lea take the back seat or not. And I guess, yeah, in the moment, it was like, cause I didn't know how much was left. I was like, oh, this is kind of interesting to like actually see the full conversation. And it was definitely all of them were involved. You know, there wasn't anyone who sat quiet,

you know, and didn't say anything. So I think that was interesting, but then it just, that was kind of it. Because my big takeaway is, oh, they all tried to be as fair as they fucking could to Andrea and Nicole at the time, right? I don't agree with when the PPG was like, because Rob was like, well listen,

we just approached it a different way, and when it all went down way back when, and that was our take, it was like, I remember being like, well, listen, I get approached it a different way. And when it all went down way back when, and that was our take, it was like, I remember being like, well, listen, I get why the PPG did it. I don't know if I would have done it that way, but whatever.

And I think we were all at the time being like, well, just kind of own that you just wanted to keep your girl, right? And at the reunion, I think Janae was just like, well, that's not even how it was. Because most of that conversation was, do we keep Andrea or do we keep Nicole? Because immediately, Janaye was safe.

But that's still, just because you made that decision quickly, doesn't mean that your top priority was to save your friend, right? That was the decision. Like, it wasn't the hard decision. The hard decision was, who do we send over after we keep our friend? But that was the focus of your decision was

we're keeping Janay no matter what. That's not even a conversation. So like, and that was Rob and Erin's point where it's just like at the time, Nicole seems to be in a relationship with Kendall. She's looking at also Miguel. Rob and Andrea seem to be hot and heavy. You can debate whether Andrea was there

for the right reasons. And Janaye at the time, God bless her, we love her. And thank God she stayed around because she fell in love with Kenny. At the time, she was straight up singles, fuck. And so at the time, Rob and Erin were like, what? Which makes a lot of sense. I didn't really understand why all of a sudden

they were like, it made a lot of sense that Liv seemed to need to apologize because it was interesting that Leah, Leah didn't speak for two minutes and then she spoke plenty, but at the same time, it didn't seem like she was, I didn't get the sense that she was, she had a case against Andrea. She was just making her points.

But I think what it all came down to, the miscommunication between Leah saying, I was trying to take a back seat and then Rob going to live in Kailer and saying she took a back seat. I think that's what the entire conversation ended up being was this like semantics of words that kind of got over one word, over trying.

Exactly, it was a game of telephone and I don't think anyone in that, I don't blame Rob anymore than I blame, you know, I don't think Rob had ill intentions. Rob was pointing out at the time this happened, I still had an interest in Leah, you know? It was, and he heard something from Leah, and yeah, we're talking about one word, I don't know.

It seemed like Liv should have apologized, and she did, appropriately. I didn't really understand why, other than all of a sudden, all the attention went to Erin and Rob and being like, it was actually your guys' fault because they were upset with the PPG's decision at the time which it seemed valid.

Okay, I feel like we were also spending just as much time as a reunion spent talking about it. But Kailer and Erin too, I thought that was a big deal for me because I was like, I feel like I was oversold on like the drama and then it lasted for like three minutes. It was Aaron got three words out, Kayla eviscerated him, switched seats

and then never to be spoken to again. Yeah, and I feel like that's what everyone kept saying was like, oh my gosh, the reunion is so messy because Kayla just like- Delayed the process. And she delayed the process and they were arguing and they were so just like back and forth and she just like went at him for so long

and it's like... Where? Where? So... I don't know. To me it was a little bit of a snooze fest, but you know, I guess what are you gonna do? Most of these people are happy

and I think a lot of them are just mad at fans for bullying them which they have every right to be and I feel like that was the focus. Let's talk about them, Nicole and Kendall of it all. Obviously a very sensitive subject. We had Nicole on yesterday in an episode of Going Deeper. I feel like she was put in an impossible situation. I don't think the reunion was the place to talk about this. Or come off like you're talking about it for the first time.

Because that's what it felt like. But, you know, and also we don't know exactly what was said. It takes five or six hours to film this thing and then it's all edited down, context is completely lost. Again, I have no idea in what context this conversation started. It's just one of those things, even when we talked to Nicole,

we tried to be as sensitive and as careful as possible to not focus on the leaks, right? But at the same time, try to acknowledge that Nicole is a human being in this situation and she is in a real relationship outside of the show. From Nicole's world, her whole world knows about it. Everyone's asking about it, everyone's talking about it with her.

We interviewed Nicole before we got a chance to watch her reunion, right? So we didn't really know exactly what happened. So we just wanted to have Nicole have the floor to just share her truth and share her story. And the takeaway I got was Nicole was very vulnerable and very openly talked about, like, she doesn't feel very confident

in her own decisions in relationships. She was, she talked about her past, you know, her decisions in those relationships. She didn't, she didn't come off saying like I'm really, I've learned a lot from my past and now I know how to operate in relationships. She was pretty open about like I'm trying the best I can. I have some past trauma, the trauma of like trusting people who lied to her and she was open about that on the show. And then you have this situation that like she doesn't know how to talk about it

or if she should talk about it, but then Kendall's talking about it and then now everyone else knows about it. You know, the big takeaway for us is that Nicole was just more like, I don't know who I'm dating. I don't really believe the things that are coming out of his mouth. He still seems to be moving in a way that seems shady.

He's not acting like someone who wants to like, fix this relationship. She is only seem to be focused on fixing this relationship. She's not acting like someone who wants to like fix this relationship. She is only seem to be focused on fixing this relationship. She's not posting online. She doesn't look like she's like interacting with fans. She's trying to like, it's just seem like she couldn't win because she can't, you know, no. And to a lot of people, and I understand why they're just like, you can't bring this up. And people are just like, well, Nicole's trying to victimize herself for Kendall's trauma. And it's just like, well, from Nicole's point of view, she is in a tough situation.

She's in this relationship with someone she cares about. She's not really sure if she should trust this person. She's kind of confused. I just don't know if there's a situation, or I don't know how she should have handled it without any type of criticism whatsoever. I don't know. I mean, I think the any type of criticism whatsoever. I don't know. I mean, I think the like important part,

and I think everyone should go and listen to the episode because she does go in detail about it, is that this wasn't the only time he had lied to her. And so I think it was something they could have worked through. And then he continued to lie about other things and it just made all of them feel like too much. That was my perspective of what Nicole was saying and again you should go listen to it and

create you know make your own opinion but we all made it very clear that it's not what happened to Kendall is illegal, it's fucked up, it's not right, it's disgusting, it's scary, and it's not about that. It's not about the content, it's not about what happened. I think from my take of what Nicole was saying is Nicole left that place being in a relationship saying I love you to this person. Which was very difficult for her. Then for there to have their first adversity

and she goes to him and she's there for him and she's like, whatever you need, I'm here. And he lies about what happened, which I completely understand why he lied. Right. And I do believe that he deserved grace in that period. And I think she was willing to give him that grace until he lied again. And I think she was willing to give him that grace until he lied again.

And I think she was, I mean, she literally referenced this podcast, where she's like, you went on a podcast. And we had no idea what conversations that were going on between Kendall and Nicole when Kendall came on. Like, we were like, would you like Kendall on? We're like, yeah, we'd love that. We didn't even ask, like, well, about Nicole and Kendall.

And I think Nicole watched that interview and was very frustrated with how Kendall talked about their relationship and it you know, so in Nicole's mind She's like you're going out there and you're talking about us in ways that I don't feel are accurate and like how does Nicole respond to? This and the whole crux of this whole conversation is about something that no one really wants to talk about. And yet it's something that's front and center with how she feels about the situation and someone she's trying to build a relationship with.

It's a fucked up situation. It's a no-win situation. I think people need to be very careful about going after Nicole and accusing her of taking advantage of a very unfortunate situation. The person we talked to seemed like someone who was really struggling with how to figure out how to move forward with someone she does care about,

wanting to make this relationship work. They broke up last night. I can't help but wonder if it seemed like, honestly, Nicole stuck by Kendall's side, and again, you can criticize how she did that, but she did. Whether right or wrong, I understand where she was talking about one, she's got a history of staying in toxic relationships

much longer than she knows how to. Just the whole dynamic about the popularity, the it group, Kendall is part of the it group, more so than Nicole is. These are very intimate relationships. This is a very crazy experience they all lived through. There's a lot of fear of feeling like an outsider, right or wrong, you know?

And she has to weigh that dynamic. And so I don't think she really knew what to do, but as soon as Nicole caught heat from America, Kendall just broke up with her. I mean, we don't know the conversation and what he said and his reasons behind it. But, you know, she definitely did seem like she wanted to work through it.

And I think we asked her a lot of those questions. Going back to the Kaylor and Aaron of it all, I think Kaylor had every right to come at him. I think him finally admitting to putting his hand down to nail his pants and all of that at the reunion for her to hear for the first time finally, I felt was a little ridiculous. I think Aaron makes very poor decisions.

I think he's a very good guy and I think he has a good heart. And obviously we interviewed him and we very, you know, when we interviewed Kailer, we had a very strong opinion on Aaron and we were very much like, I think you should break up. I think he's not a very good guy. Or he's not her guy, you know? Yeah, and then I think where we came from

with our interview with him was we saw a very- Broken man. Broken man. And yeah, I think he just makes very poor decisions, but he is a good guy. But I can't, you know, someone said something yesterday I wish I could remember because now I'm just speaking kind of vaguely. Aaron's explanation to Kahler, I don't agree with.

It's very immature, but it's also incredibly relatable. And most people, honestly, I think operate more like Erin than they do Kahler. And what I mean by that, because Erin was like, listen, I couldn't find the right time. I didn't want to ruin the vibe, and we didn't see each other, and it never felt like a good time. If you can't relate to that,

you're just not being honest with yourself. We've all been in those shoes before. And the reality is when it comes to tough situations and being a mature adult is realizing there is never a good time to deliver bad news. And you're always just gonna have to rip the bandaid off and you're always gonna have to kill the vibe. But like that sometimes you have to do that, you know?

But it's very relatable for people to just be afraid of, oh, when do I do this? When do I do this? And not find the time. It's not an excuse, but I at least understand where Aaron's coming from. It's a very human reaction. It's immature, for sure, but it's not evil. It's not because he's a love bombing asshole who's just like a piece of shit. He just needs to grow up a little bit. And I think that maybe this experience will is a very tough lesson. I just, to Nellie's point,

like we don't need to go after Kayla now. She was more than justified to like get this off her chest and vent. Erin on camera lied to Kayla and made her look like a fool. And on camera, Kayla deserved the opportunity to defend herself and just vent and get it out. It's like the audience is like first demands Kayla to like stand up for herself and then when she does and the audience wants to say, well, whoa, that's a little too harsh. It's like, let's just enjoy

the reality of these people being their authentic selves and maybe not, you know, give your comment. I mean, we love to talk about it. I think there's a way to talk about it without going after these people in their DMs and reaching out. I mean, I think Nicole is getting eviscerated in her DMs and people are saying just the worst shit about someone who maybe handled

a very, very difficult situation not in the the best way, but like good luck. If you're in Nicole's shoes, I think it's very easy to say how you would do it. But when you're in their shoes and maybe you have, you're in a situation where you care about someone, but don't fully trust them. And then you want to give them the chance to operate in a way and then they still don't do that.

And there's other, I don't know. I think it's very easy to talk about how you would do something in a situation you have no context of how it's like to be in their shoes. Have y'all seen this TikTok drama? What TikTok drama? Oh my gosh, it's between these two influencers. It's like the first time that I've seen other influencers

like speak out and give their opinion on it. So it's these two New York influencers. One's name is Halle, the other one is Sophia. Okay, I kind of saw a little bit of this yesterday. Influencer world, I think, in general is pretty small. So like, in, you know, there's tons of events, you see the same influencers there. It's the same way, especially in New York.

But, so these two girls, you know, had been around each other several times at events and whatnot. Halle refers to her and Sophia as friends. I guess they were friendly. They had like gone out to get drinks after an event, uh, you know, one time. And Sophia refers to them as coworkers, which I feel is absolutely fucking bizarre. This is not Nordstrom.

Halle has a boyfriend named Reed. They dated for, I don't know, nine, 10 months. The only reason Sophia knew anything about Reed is because Halle talked about him, posted photos of him, whatever. They broke up. It was a very public breakup. Halle made a lot of TikTok videos about it

because it was kind of out of the blue, out of nowhere. And Sophia is going through Halle's tagged photos to find Reed. And she DMs him the night after they were out drinking after an event. OK. DMs him and is like, we should go on a date. They go on a date. How do we have the DM? How do we know about the DM? I think both of them talked about it.

I know. So Halle made like Halle this when this happened, Halle made it very public. She posted a lot of TikToks about it. Yes, and that Sophia, because I guess, you know, New York is small, people are seeing Reed out with Sophia and whatever, whatever. So Halle makes this very public. Sophia gets a lot of hate. She almost gets canceled.

This was a long time ago. Reed and Halle are back together today. Yeah, right? Good for them. They were recently on their podcast. Reed and Halle. Reed and Halle are back together today. Yeah, right? Good for them. They were recently on their podcast. Reed and Halle. Reed and Halle. They have a podcast together.

Halle has a podcast and Reed was on it. They were catching some heat because it seemed, Halle asked a question and Reed seemed very checked out, seemed like he wasn't really interested and they were like, oh my God, babe, he does not like you, you need to run. So she was kind of catching some heat and Sophia saw this as an opportunity.

To reach back out. To tell her side of the story. Oh, okay. So she makes a three-part. I was like, holy shit. She's, she makes it. Should we go day two? She makes a three-part TikTok,

get ready with me story time about the time she almost got canceled from a girl she barely knows. Her coworker. Her coworker. Yes. And she talks about this date with Reed and Reed and Halle are currently together. And she sits there and she's saying,

he took me to this beautiful magical place. And when I got up to use the restroom, he grabbed me by my waist and he kissed me and it was magical and it was beautiful. And it was- No, Safiya. And she goes into all of this detail- Romanticizing. About how, oh my God, yes. And Reed is currently dating Halle.

And this is all based off of some fans listening or watching their podcast and not appreciating Reed's body language because he was kind of checked out during a podcast. I guess, and so kind of like, you know, it brought their relationship back into, you know, the spotlight. For sure, for sure, for sure. Sophia has like, you know, read these messages

that Halle sent her and was like, we were not friends. She had to text me and introduce herself to me. He was single at the time. Like I had every right to go on a date with him. And I think fans are like, and other influencers are like, this is so fucking weird because one, you only knew about him because of Halle. He's not a public figure. He's not in this world. Like you only know about him because Halle talks about him. Y'all are not coworkers. Like this is again, not Nordstrom Rack. Like you're in the same space. It's very small.

And then to like sit there and be like, oh my God, it was just like the best date ever. And he like brought me coffee the next morning and he brushed my hair. He brushed her hair? He's also supposedly like not like a talkative person or something. And she was like, oh, he talked the night away

and people are commenting like, this is not the same person. Yeah, exactly. And so I think it just is, you know, a crazy question of like, do you talk about someone's boyfriend like that? No. I don't think you date them.

I think in general, we have gotten way, way, way too comfortable of just airing any laundry whatsoever online just because it's your lived experience. Yeah. And yeah, it's just like, we don't need, you don't need to talk about every interaction you had with any other human, especially if they're also a public figure.

And let's be honest, when you do that, you are clout chasing. You are, you know, it's. It's also the weird, like, the casualty of like doing your makeup while trying to expose someone, like where you're just like this, you know what I casually want to do today? Ruin someone's relationship.

And then at the end of the video, she goes, "'Now go to part two if you want to hear the rest of the story and see the glam.'" It's like, whoa! Yeah, it's just, I don't know. And also, I feel like, you know, in the room, if a guy ever talked about a girl this way, I think he would get crushed, be like,

oh my God, don't kiss and tell, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just cannot imagine one of your exes publicly being like, oh my God, and then when we just, Nick just swept me off my feet. And like, what? And she wasn't even an ex, technically, right? They went on a couple dates. It would be just, I think is uncalled for if let's say she gave him a bad review.

It's like, oh, he only talked about himself. He didn't open the door. I don't know, whatever it is. Like, let's say it was just a bad date, but ultimately he didn't like do anything wrong. It was just like, she didn't vibe with them. Or let's say he just wasn't interested date, but ultimately he didn't do anything wrong. It was just like she didn't vibe with him, or let's say he just wasn't interested. You go on a date with someone

and you're not interested in that person, what do you think that person's experience is gonna be? They're gonna be like, that person sucked. You know? You know, because it's like, they didn't ask me any questions. Well, because they showed up and immediately decided they didn't want a second date with you.

Yeah, if she would have also, yeah, again, if she would have gone on there and been like, oh my God, it's just like talking about her boyfriend in any way is bonkers. Short of him doing something insanely inappropriate to her and doing something wrong and putting her and victimizing Sophia where she felt like, hey, I need to speak my truth

because this guy did something wrong, you know? And I mean like wrong, wrong, not like you didn't like the restaurant you picked out for you or whatever. Yeah, it's just, it's fuck, you know, we just got way too comfortable of just like thinking that like our lived experiences is, you know, that involved anyone else, our fair game to just put out in public.

I think it's just like the only word I can use to describe this Sophia girl. And I don't know either of them. I've never met either of them. This is the first I've heard of these two people in this love triangle. And I think Sophia is so weird for doing this. It is giving like the most pick me.

It's like delusional, it's just so weird. It's like she saw this opening of like, oh, Halle is getting a little bit of hate. This is my time to shine. But you know what it is, is all, it's the influence for the world. And it's just like, you look at your engagement and anytime it's a slow fucking week,

you panic and you- What can I talk about? It's how your bread is buttered and it's like, it's a slow fucking week, you panic and you... What can I talk about? It's how your bread is buttered and it's like it's your job and yeah, it's a rabbit hole. So that's when people are like, so four years ago, I'm not gonna name names, so you can guess, but I'll give you hints.

I ran into an influencer at a restaurant, she has blonde hair and... First name starts with a B, last name ends with an S. And she told me that my outfit was ugly. Yeah, so figure out who that is and then let's cancel her. Like that's what... That's what we're doing right now. Are these makeup influencers?

No, they're just like fashion every day. Cause like makeup influencer, like the world on YouTube got canceled like five years ago because the whole point was makeup and like cancellations, like drama. And then people were like, this is getting too much, it's too toxic. So on YouTube, now the makeup drama doesn't really exist,

but it's moved to TikTok. Yeah, I feel like TikTok has just become this new place where everyone just has online feuds and spats. Anyways, it ends with us drama. I feel like we've got to move past it now. Brandon has spoken his piece. And for those of you who don't know, Brandon is. Atlas.

He makes- He plays Atlas. Yes. He plays- In the movie. He plays, he plays in the movies. He plays, yeah. He is Blake and Justin's co-star.

Correct. And he released a lengthy statement to Instagram saying, vilifying the women who put so much of their heart and soul into making this film because they believe so strongly in its message, seems counterproductive and detracts from what this film is about. It is in fact the opposite of the point." Yeah, that's incredibly true.

I think women love to hate other women and they are dragging Blake Lively in any sort of way when I think it has absolutely nothing to do with how they are selling this movie, marketing this movie. I think it has something to do, but I think to your point, most people- No, the feud between Justin and the cast. Oh yes, yes, yes.

But the audience is just locking on to the mistake that Blake made, which is like, again, poorly, you know, being out of, whatever, out of touch, misguided, took the wrong advice, who fucking knows where this is coming from? And then you have Justin saying all the right things and then people just deciding they know what this feud is about,

or not even caring what the feud is about, but deciding whose side they wanna take based off of, again, we live in a world where you don't agree with who's right, you like who you agree with. And so now everyone is just agreeing with how, again, understanding why so many people are personally affected by this movie and understand that they appreciate

the way Justin has gone about it. I kind of totally get that, but yeah, what was some of the feedback we got? What did people say in the comments? For a recap? Yeah, on Reality Recap. I mean, a lot of people took, everything we've been saying,

a lot of people took Justin Belladoni's side of being like, he's the one that's advocating and saying what's true about the movie. But then also people are defending Blake saying like, there must have been more that happened besides just marketing. And I think like this coming out now shows that it's not the marketing. That whatever it may be, there might have been something else. Like it's not coincidental that the whole cast isn't unfollowing him and whatnot.

I've heard there's a lot of little things that happen and there's very specific reasons why the cast feels the way they do about Justin and it has to do with everything that happened while filming this movie and things on set. One more thing before we move on, I'm really glad that Brandon came to the defense of his co-star Blake Lively, but you know who didn't? Justin. And I know some people are gonna be like, oh, well, anytime Justin's asked about Blake, he always says nice things. And that's, yes, he does. He says kind of these generally nice things about Blake,

but he hasn't come up in defense of Blake. He hasn't come out and said, hey, what is going on is wrong. There may be some differences between me and my co-stars, but like, this is not appropriate for the internet to be trying to take down Blake Lively here. And again, if you've ever read Justin's content or listened to his show,

you would think that a man like Justin would speak up against what seems to be this online take down of a woman in this scenario, and he hasn't. And I just think that says something. And I know a lot of people disagree with me and I know Justin says the right things. And I appreciate for all the people who are touched by this movie,

and it's a very sensitive topic that they really appreciate Justin saying the right things, but that, again, doesn't mean that in practice that he actually lives out these types of things that he talks about. Again, if you've ever seen his engagement video, it is a 26-minute video of a man proposing to his wife and it making it all about him.

It's one of those things where you can't accuse Justin of not putting in a lot of effort in this video. It's like he wants to look one way and comes off the different way. And I just think it says a lot that Justin hasn't spoken out against all the hate that's going towards Blake. Because again, if you've ever read Justin's stuff, that person would seemingly have done that, and he hasn't. And again, I think you gotta start asking yourself

the right questions, and you gotta start reading between the lines about who we think we should side with in this feud between Justin and Blake. Do y'all wanna hear something that is crazier than it ends with us drama? Would love to. Okay. side with in this feud between Justin and Blake. Do y'all wanna hear something that is crazier than it ends with us drama? Would love to.

Okay, this man at Disney sues Disney because his wife dies after a severe allergic reaction in a Disney restaurant. So he sues them. On Disney grounds. On Disney grounds. It's a restaurant not owned by Disney, but on Disney property.

So if you go to like Disney World and walk around the pier, there's a bunch of like breweries and things like that or downtown Disney. However, it is on Disney property. The husband and the wife told their server that the wife has a severe allergic reaction to dairy and nuts. They, you know, assure her that she was gonna be fine.

She was not fine. She was dead. She passed away. She passed away. She passed away. And lawyers for Disney said the matter should be referred to an outside arbitrator when Piccolo, the husband, signed up for Disney Plus account, what you stream Disney movies on in 2019.

And said he waived his right? Waived his right. It's also just the seven day free trial. Yeah, it wasn't even like a full subscription. He just signed up for the seven day free trial. And apparently whenever, if you don't read the terms and agreements, which who does they're like 900 pages long,

it says in there that you waive your right to directly sue Disney. So if you have ever watched Disney Plus or signed up, if you've ever signed up for Disney Plus and you go to any Disney property, they can do whatever the fuck they want to you, they say. That is scary. They could walk, one of their employees could walk up to you

and take a baseball bat to your face and just because you watched The Mandalorian, you have somehow forfeited your right to- Repercussions. Repercussions, yeah, that's fucking crazy. Why is this, why? He was only suing for $50,000, right? So it wasn't even, that's a penny for Disney.

Literally. The bad PR alone is gonna cost more than 50 grand. This is giving succession to the theme parks. It's also giving like now you're telling the world that whatever happens at Disney, like what, yeah, you signing up for Disney Plus, you can't protect yourself ever if anything happens at Disney. Disney is, yeah, you signing up for Disney Plus, you can't protect yourself ever if anything happens at Disney.

That's dirty. Disney is weird when it comes to deaths too, because there's this known thing that if someone passes away on Disney property, they don't pronounce the death till they're off the property. That doesn't mean they didn't die. But to them, they can claim like nobody ever dies here.

Like this is the happiest place on earth. Are they like carrying the bodies out of the Again, it's giving succession. Amusement park? That's alleged, yeah. Oh. That's so icky. And I love Disney.

Disney, do better. Come on. Someone died. And again, it's $50,000. So like, I love Disney, I'm not gonna lie, but I'm like, at the same time, I'm like, that makes zero sense the amount of money you make in a day just from one park alone, let alone.

It costs $50,000 to go to fucking Disney World. Truly does. To eat. Let's give them their money back. For merch alone, it's probably 50,000 to go to fucking Disney World. It truly does. To eat. Let's give them their money back. For merch alone, it's probably 50,000 in a day. Someone said Walt Disney is rolling in his grave. Yeah.

Didn't he probably create all of these? No. No. Not the park. You think Walt made it the happiest place and then everyone else corrupted it? Yeah. For sure, yeah.

Probably, I think a lot of corporate people came in and said, how do we make more and more and more and more? All they care about is making money. If you look at the CEO's salary, it's a joke. And he was the one that was telling people, he went on a private billionaire's retreat or whatever while people were suffering. And he was like, during the writer strike,

and was like, I don't really know that we need to give them any more money while he's on a private jet. Yes, of course. On a private island for billionaires. Yes, of course. Relatable. Very relatable. You know what's not relatable? Bethany Frankel. Did you see this? I did. I actually appreciate this about Bethany. Okay, say more. Please do. For those of you don't know, Bethany gave a review about some sort of chicken salad at some sort of like small shop or restaurant. The Round Swamp Chicken Salad.

Yeah. Hampton staple. And it seemed like that people, you know, hey, Bethany Frankel likes it. So people started asking for this chicken salad. So Bethany feeling very good about the good deed that she did, decided to show up to this restaurant and film the whole thing being like, I'm about to walk in. I'm really expecting a lot of fanfare.

I'm expecting praise. I'm expecting everyone to thank me, and let me know that I basically changed their lives because I posted a video talking about their chicken salad. And people did not react. People did not- She walked in and they're like, welcome to Rounds Chicken. They did not meet her expectations. They were nice to her, they just didn't recognize her.

So she was mad at the fact that they weren't like, oh my God, you're Bethany. So it was very clear that, you know, and to no surprise, Bethany outed herself as someone who doesn't do good deeds to do good deeds, she does good deeds for the credit, right? Which honestly, I kind of appreciate, I really do, because I'm very skeptical of, again,

unfortunately, good things are weaponized all the time. I think that a lot, foundations are hotbeds for fraud and scandals and people to represent themselves. That's why this whole Blake versus Justin thing, I'm very skeptical of the person who like constantly is always on message and says the right things. And it's just like, do I think Blake's wrong for being rude sometimes?

But at least rude people in public, you know who they are. They are unapologetically themselves. And again, you can call them a jerk, but at least they're not misrepresenting themselves. And at least Bethany, you know where Bethany stands. You know what I'm saying? She's not even pretending to do good things for anyone else but herself.

And yes, self-centered, narcissistic, of course, but I know where Bethany Frankel stands and that makes me feel safe around Bethany Frankel. I find it hilarious that she went from being mad that Chanel won't let her in for a line of people waiting versus now the chicken salad. Her range and being irritated is fascinating. There's no bounds.

Yeah. It's such, I mean, she's so incredibly out of touch. At least she owns it. She's entertaining, but somebody who doesn't want recognition apparently or wants to enforce her boundaries, Chappell Rhone, response to fans crossing boundaries, receiving praise and backlash.

She posted her thoughts on TikTok. If you saw a random woman on the street, would you yell at her from the car window? Would you harass her in public? Would you go up to a random lady and say, can I get a photo with you? And she's like, no, what the fuck? And then you get mad at the random lady.

So she's saying that like, obviously she came into fame very, very, very quickly. Had like the most with the largest crowd of Lollapalooza ever. Out of nowhere too. Out of nowhere. Yeah, like a couple hits came out and I think she's overwhelmed. So she blew up a year after her album release.

So she's been around for seven years and nobody really knew her. She's been smaller, I did know her. Anyways, that aside, she blew up and now people are mad that she's not taking pictures with everybody. Her family went private on Instagram because they're going through her family members and getting mad at them for not connecting the two.

And like now people are getting mad that she's like, can you just give me space? Which I'm like, I feel like it's something that needed to be said because I'm like, it makes sense in the past when you didn't have access to celebrities the way that you do now. You have Instagram, TikTok, Lives, like you can literally know what they had to eat that day.

So I'm like the need to harass somebody in public, just trying to live their lives, not being on stage, not being on the clock. It's like as a human being that has a talent, are they not allowed to like have space for themselves and not be constantly needing to take pictures or appease random people? Because you wouldn't do that to a random person on the street. You really wouldn't. You wouldn't follow them around a store if they said no for a photo. And you wouldn't be weird if somebody was like, no, I don't wanna take a photo with you

because I don't know you. You also wouldn't, if they do say no, you wouldn't then go on social media and be like, oh my God, this random woman, I asked for a photo and she said no. Like she's such a fucking bitch, let's cancel her. Yeah, because that's what happened with, what's her name, Renee Rapp.

Remember when she didn't take a photo and then it was like somebody goes online, makes a whole video about what a bitch she is and it's like, she's at Coachella at a VIP area hanging out, she could be doing just whatever, recreationally having fun. I don't wanna stop having fun with my friends to all of a sudden be like, oh, must do my work.

She's kind of similar to Lea, where she went from literally like 20, 40,000 followers to like millions top of the billboards. Yeah. Out of nowhere, like in seconds. People just don't know how to act around celebrities. Yeah. I mean, I see the perspective of the fans to a certain degree.

I mean, right after the Olympics, LeBron James was videotaped, kind of aggressively turning down a kid asking for an autograph. And I watched that and I was like, come on, LeBron. I look at LeBron who's been in the limelight for his whole life and it's like, you couldn't help this kid out.

I see both sides. And Chapel Ronan, it's just like fish out of water, doesn't know her whole, her entire fan base is a pretty young fan base. It's a pretty aggressive fan base. Yeah, people are entitled to like, and also Chapel, she's an artist. It's just like I really believe that Chappell isn't like,

a lot of us influencers, the people we talked about, I don't think they give a fuck. These people willing to talk about anyone and anybody just for a couple of likes and a couple of clicks, they wanna be famous. They want the attention, they don't give a fuck how. And then you have people like Chappell, who are like our artists,

who have been making music for years, regardless of their fame, enjoying doing it. And sure, do they wanna have a hit? Do they wanna get out there? Do they wanna make a little bit more money? Sure. But I think Chappell's point is, if she probably had it her way, she wouldn't have become as famous as she has been.

She appreciates people liking her music more, but she didn't ask for the online harassment. She didn't ask for her family to be harassed and completely lose any privacy that they have while fans are simultaneously demanding, not asking, demanding for her attention in the way that they want her attention. And it's really kind of fucking weird.

It's also interesting in her case because her performance is like a character. And then there's her outside of performing. So whenever she's alone, like that's where you have like the weird eclipse of her with like a Kermit, like jacket over her head or like trying to not be noticed. People are mad at her for that.

Cause her character is the very eccentric, like out there person. Yeah, but she's, that's the thing, she's playing a character. And that's who she is on stage. I remember I was like 11 and I went to a Britney Spears concert in Salt Lake City, random.

But I ended up running into Britney Spears in the airport and like I was young of course, I had a big fan so I was crying saying hi to her and I remember I asked for a photo and she was like, no, no, no, I can't do that but like, you know, it was like just like thank you and super sweet and I was like great but I'm like it makes sense because if she takes a photo with one person, she's gonna have to take a photo with everyone, and maybe she's just trying to get some snacks before her flight, like you know what I mean? Because it's also like, yeah, when you see someone being like posing for a photo

and someone taking it or taking a selfie, that brings more attention to it, and then people are like, oh, who's has it? Oh my God, that's Britney Spears. And now we have pandemonium. Right. Well, would you rather have someone asking you for a photo or someone taking a photo of you

while you know they're taking a photo of you? Asking for a photo. Asking for a photo. There's nothing worse than seeing someone videotaping you from afar. You're just like, did I just? Or then like, yeah. It's like, we know what you're doing. Just say hi.

And then it's awkward, so you kind of look at them and then you look weird by like staring right at the camera. It's very bizarre. I mean like- Not that that happens a lot. You know, I think most reality TV stars like are very like appreciative of fans, you know, and also are very afraid to say no.

I've said this before, the only time I've ever turned down a fan was Jax Taylor. And at the Women's March in 2016, when I was currently the bachelor, and I thought like, this is not the time for me to be the focal point. And I was literally the current bachelor. And it's like, when you take one photo,

then everyone thinks, oh, I guess I can ask. And then it becomes like people get in line. I was in a mob of people and it just felt inappropriate for me to do that. But certainly people had an opinion of me saying no, but like I just made the tough choice of saying like this, I don't, I'm at a woman's march. I didn't show up to be like, oh my God, the bachelor's here.

Like I just tried to be there in solidarity. And yeah, but people are gonna have an opinion about it. But most of the time I do try. Even when it's Nellie and I and friends out to dinner and we're in the middle of dinner and people walk up to you and be like, I'm sorry for interrupting. It's like, no, you're not. No, you're not.

You could have waited. I'm clearly eating. And it's just like, most of the time you're just like, sure. Cause like you realize that they're nervous and they just, you know, again, they don't realize maybe how they're coming across. And I think for the most part, it's easy to empathize with them.

I think when you're a chapel, I have no idea what it's like to be her. And the level of intensity and fandom, it is a whole nother atmosphere. And I think the closest I've ever come is right after the show when I went to Lollapalooza. And you can feel very unsafe very quickly. And it's very scary when people

have this kind of glazed look in their eye, like you're not a real person. They look at you like they're meeting some sort of God And it's fucking scary. Yes, and it can be and how old's chapel? 27 you know mid 20s, but anyway, that's just like she it's It doesn't even matter if you're 20 or 50 or 70 It's just like 26 personal space and like, I don't know, again, if somebody's like mid-bite food, I don't think that they're hoping that you walk up

to them asking for a photo. And it's not to say that like, I don't understand being a fan, absolutely do, but I'm just like, wait till they walk outside maybe. Like, you know, just like there's different ways and moments to be like, hey, you're human, having a human experience, maybe I'll let you do that. And then like, at an appropriate time, I could ask you.

Back to like Blake Lively, people are like, oh my gosh, she's so out of touch. She's just like, no one's treated Blake Lively like a normal person in, I don't know, probably 20 years. You know what I'm saying? And maybe Blake Lively could use some PR training, or I don't know, maybe she's a secret introvert, or I don't know, maybe she's just not good at that.

You know what I'm saying? But it's like, we simultaneously want our celebrities to act like a certain way, but we treat them very differently. And it's just like, well, which one do you want? Yeah. All right, up next, Caroline Stansberry of Real Housewives of Dubai.

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At PM or AM? At nine. Oh, now I am. Yeah. Amazing. Well, we're very excited to have you. We are big fans of you and the show. Really enjoying the season.

Also like Sergio, huge fan. Oh, he's behind the screen. I am Sergio. I am Nick's wife and I am Sergio in our relationship. Is that Nick is you. I am like, let's, I would let my dream is to go to bed kissing. He just wants to hug and kiss all day long and I just don't. Yeah, I just I just feel like there's you know, there's a time and a place and I don't know if

it needs to be 24 seven. No, I'm with you. Yeah, I'm married. Yeah, we got married in April. Oh, wow. And well, there you go. Congratulations. Thank you. And we also have we just had our first daughter three months before our wedding. Oh, wow. Really? Don't tell. Don't tell Sergio about that. No, I don't. He wants a baby desperately. Where are you guys in that kind of decision making process? Or have you got is it is it a someday thing or is it still a maybe thing? It's really hard. We talk about it all day long, every day, because my children are beginning to go and I'm ushering them all out the house and can't wait. And then he's and the thought of

doing nappies and feeding and all of this, but then he's gonna do it. So I don't know. I don't know is the answer. I still don't know. Very difficult. And the trouble- Why is surrogacy illegal in Dubai? It's not anymore. Because you have to be married,

and obviously to have a baby with somebody. But now in the last six months or no, year, I think, it's become legal and they've actually got a surrogacy agency opening up because all my hurdles are being taken away from me. Yeah, you have no more excuses. All the excuses I've found, which is like, they don't have surrogacy. I've got to go too far. I got a phone call like three weeks ago, just two weeks ago, just saying, oh, we've got an agency in Abu Dhabi. Would you like to come and see us? I'm like, is surrogacy one of the options

now? Because I know Sergio wanted to have the pictures of the baby bump and like that was one of his goals with it. Like, or is this an option? I know. He had to borrow another woman. I, I, I don't think I'm, I'm 48. I think I don't want to be the oldest pregnant woman on the planet. No, we love an age gap. You, you don't know much I mean I'm 48, I don't want to be the oldest pregnant woman on the planet, no. We love an age gap. You don't know much about us, but there's a bit of an age gap with me and my wife, Natalie. What is the age gap between you and Sergio?

19 years. You beat us by six months. No way. Yes. I can't see you behind my pictures, so I can't see your face. Well, we look great. You don't need to.

We look hot. I know you are. Thank you for that. I'm just reviewing this. Okay. No, I still can't see it. You don't look it. You can't see it.

Well, I mean, no. Well, neither can you. I can't see the... I mean, 48, you look absolutely incredible. Are you reversing time? What are you doing? I had a full facelift. Well, you look great.

Yes, I'm reversing time. You are. You are. What is your... I love... I have a love for handbags as I have seen you do as well. What Nick thinks I need to stop with the handbags? Does Sergio feel the same way?

What is your response to that? Or is it like, shut the fuck up, I don't care what you think? Well, it definitely would be shut the fuck up. I mean, like, it would be like, if it's between, if there's a fire, I'm so saving the handbags before Sergio, that's for sure. He's athletic enough, he can, he can take care of himself. I mean, handbags are happening. Like, handbags, every woman wants a handbag

more than they want a husband. Let's just be clear. Yup, thank you. No, it's not the e-handbag, it's all the handbag. How many handbags do we need? Caroline, I'll let you answer that. Yeah, there's never enough. I don't even understand the question.

What does Sergio think about this? Sergio, are you team handbag or no? I mean. He's in for the handbags. Okay. Yeah, I'm not like that question about you, honey. Yeah, no, but he, well, he's, no. No, he'd rather invest in cars,

but I don't understand cars. Do you want a car? Like I'd rather be in a, I don't, I really couldn't care less what picks me up. What? But I do care for carrying. Yes. Well, I would agree that a handbag

is a much better investment than a car. Absolutely. Nick's, Nick loves suits. Yeah, I'm a suit. I love a good suit. Yeah. Carolyn, how did you end up in Dubai in the first place? I was very, like watching Housewives of Dubai,

like it seems very almost Americanized a little bit. like you kind of forget that you guys are in Dubai a little bit but like it seems like a lot of people who aren't from Dubai moved to this? Can you dress this way? And I'm like, you don't understand. Like the locals are way out. We the expats way outweigh the locals. Only 10 percent of Dubai's residents, the locals. So the rest of us are all it's all just, you know, English, Americans, Russians. You know, everybody's just descended on Dubai. So it's not so foreign. You wouldn't come here and go, it's not like dropping into sort of Japan or China

where you feel incredibly foreign. This is not like that. You would feel like you could be in America, to be honest. I came here because of my ex-husband. Oh, okay. During one of the recent episodes, everyone got in a fight over the whole leaked voice message and there was the whole drama at your housewarming party

and you were very like, hey, everyone shut up, I don't want the police to show up. And it seems like Dubai has some unique rules. At the same time, you're living a very kind of normal life from an American or a Brit standpoint, but what are some of the more unique rules in Dubai that us maybe Americans or other Brits would find to be weird or different or they would have to get used to? Well let me tell you this, I mean I love our rules. We live in a place where

I don't even have to lock my front door. I can leave my diamonds by my bed and they will be there. You can go to the beach and take off your watch, your Rolex and put it on a sunbed and go swim for an hour and come back, and that Rolex will be on that sunbed. That is a pretty nice way to live. I'm just planning to go to London now and I'm thinking don't take any jewelry, I'll wear my handbags, not going to take this. I have to think like that. I don't think like that

in Dubai. You literally can dress like a Christmas tree and feel fine. You can wear your watches, your jewelry, your bags and then some. So you know while you all criticize the way we live and the rules that we have, trust me, they're pretty fabulous when you're living in them because we live, my kids can go to the mall by themselves at midnight, one o'clock in the morning. I wouldn't think twice about it. Not twice, never even worried where they are. Is that because there are such strict consequences

for crime in general? Yes, there are such strict consequences for crime in general? Yes. There are very strict consequences to crime, but real crime. That's why we really don't have any. And I don't think that's a bad thing. No, I actually, should we move to Dubai? Like now that I'm a dad, I'm very like,

a lot of places I don't wanna be. If you lost your daughter in a shopping mall, as a toddler, you'd have a heart attack and helicopters around the mall in about 10 minutes in America. With us, you'd be like, oh, well, she'll be back in a minute. Well, someone will find her and bring her back. And that's honestly how we live. And that is pretty incredible. And I wouldn't swap that for the world.

Would you be our Michael if we moved to Dubai? Oh, pay your bills? No, just we just like want to stay there for a couple weeks while we look for our own place and then probably like you know wear out our welcome. And then just stay there for the rest of your life, yes that's what happens. Um well, uh yes, no, no because you have more kids than everything else, too many of you. We have one kid! It's a baby though. How's that?

Yeah, I just got a new white sofa. Cut $50,000 sofa. How's the new house coming along? Are we done with it yet? Of course not. I'm starting again this morning. So I'm ripping out the whole front of the house and it's all going to be glass

so that you could sort of like my well basically my husband's making a ridiculous man cave and then we're just redoing the office so it's a work in progress my little my little house is like you know it's like a little art gallery absolutely love filling it what what makes your relationship work I mean I've you guys love to talk and give each other shit and and you give them a hard time and vice versa, but at the same time, there does seem to be a lot of love there between the two of you.

What makes you guys work as well as you do? Well, basically, I brought him up, let's face it. He's shaking his head behind. You know, I don't know, we just have a lot of love and respect for each other. Even though I'm tough on him, obviously, there don't know, we just have a lot of love and respect for each other, even though I'm tough on him, obviously, you know, there's a huge age gap and sometimes or a lot of times I feel like I know better, but then, you know, obviously he proves me

wrong sometimes too. And like he's, he's really strong in the relationship. You're just seeing parts of it sort of in, we weren't in our own home, we were sort of under stress of moving, but like he gives as good as he gets, I can assure you, and we have a lot of fun together. No matter how hard we fight, it always ends up laughing. I can't keep a straight face. You guys, I find, be the most entertaining couple.

I mean, I love the dynamic, it just really works. Sergio's so animated and passionate, and you're, again, I relate to you very much, Caroline, in terms of your energy. I'm the man. You're just like, fuck this, I don't know what we're doing. You're on the phone, typing documents. I can't cry, because if I cried,

that'd be just, he's always crying. So it's like one of us has to remain sensible. You also seem that way with the other Housewives. You seem, Housewife is always known for the drama and like really making a stink about anything and you always seem annoyed by drama in the best possible way. Is that how you usually feel? I don't love drama.

It's not that deep for me. I mean, you know, there's just so many stupid, they react to everything. You can't say anything. It's not that deep for me. I mean, you know, there's just so many stupid, they react to everything. You can't say anything. So at this point, you just sort of have to, I find that I'm always just apologizing just for being the life.

I'm like, oh, I did it. I'll do it. I'll take it. How are you and Chanel? Have you guys mended fences? Yes, yes. Chanel and I are fine. She just, she now, she sort of, it took her a little bit longer to get my humor, and I

think the Botox doesn't help because she can't see my facial expressions. But I think now she understands that I've just got really dry, deadpan face when I say things. What do you think about Chanel's implication that you victimize yourself to make the other woman look better or look worse? Please. First of all, would you have wanted to get in that waterfall with all of them screaming like that? I mean, what on earth was that? And also, on top of it, Lisa didn't want to do the praying bit and that was all fine. I don't want to get into a, what looks like some, well, into the waterfall and hold hands

and scream about my, do you think that's who I am as a person? I'm not victimizing myself. In fact, I'm standing up for myself. I'm not going to do that. If I was ever going to put myself through that sort of cleanse, it wouldn't be with five lunatics. I would be with my husband.

It wouldn't shock me if like every other week, Sarah has a new kind of new aged cleanse idea for the group that she wants everyone to buy into that is, you know, either a potion or screaming or something. Is that accurate or is this a one off situation with Sarah? No, 100%. We all have to join Sarah's cult, but you know, that's okay. Um, you know, to join Sarah's cult, but you know, that's okay. You know, she's, underneath it's, it all comes from a good place. It's just that we're all made

differently. I don't believe the same things and I don't believe in healing in the same way, but Sarah thinks I need the most healing of the group. So there you go. Has Yasmin left for college yet? I'm actually taking her next week. Oh. Where is she going? UCLA? the most healing of the group. So there you go. Has Yasmin left for college yet? I'm actually taking her next week. Oh. Where is she going, UCLA? No, London.

She's going to London. She got into, I'm not gonna say what she got into actually. She got into, she got five conditional offers and so she was very, very happy and she got into her top one that she wanted to get to. So we're all very- Congratulations. That must make you very proud.

Well, she's smart and sassy, that's for sure. She definitely got maybe a little bit of that from you. Yeah, I think. I felt like it was a very raw and vulnerable moment of y'all's conversation over dinner, where she kind of broke down about the relationship with Sergio. Where do they stand now? You know, they have their moments.

They're on and off. They're in a good place. He took her to prom and all of that. And you know, she does have a really nice relationship with him. I just want to say that, you know, anyone that's in the step-parent role, it's a really difficult role. You'll never ever be the father. And that's in the step-parent role, it's a really difficult role.

You'll never ever be the father, and that's just it. And then to have the age gap on top, the respect level probably isn't there. And that's just never gonna change, I suppose. I mean, maybe as time goes on, it's easier, but we were out with friends last night, and this woman had been a stepparent to their daughter for 35 years

and she said, it's just as hard. So, you know, it is what it is. Rebelliousness that goes on there. Well, she was seven when it was filming too and now she's 18. Do any of her friends give her shit for like having a hot stepdad? Yes. But even, and a mom by the way.

Well, obviously we know that Caroline. Yeah, thank you. So yes, they do, we do. She hates us going to the school. She absolutely hates us going there. Where did Tiki Tiki come from? Oh my God, I don't know, Sergio. What did Tiki Tiki come from? Oh my God. I don't know.

Sergio. What does Tiki Tiki come from? It's just, he names everything new. I mean, every part of his body has a name too. What is, uh, what does he name it? No, I call it a Tinky Winky. You can't call yours a Tinky Winky. That's what you call babies. He's like Carl.

Oh, okay. It's bigger than that. A Tinky Winky. It's giving BDE for sure. Tomorrow, page six, third year's Tinky Winky, we're fucked. Shifting to the Brooks of it all, are you and Brooks finally made up? No. Oh.

No. Okay. Were you surprised by the switch up in your friendship? Because you guys were really close at one point in time and now this season, not so much. Did you see this coming at all? No, I didn't see it coming at all. I was absolutely blindsided.

So no. And actually, you know, I that's why I tried to sort of push through it and let it all go because even watching it back, it's hilarious. The venom when she calls me the see you next Tuesday when I come into the party and I'm like hello everyone completely oblivious he's like fucking cunt and it's like it's so funny to watch um but uh you know I it's sad because in Bali I had so much fun with her like you, I love the naughty side of Brooks, but you know, unfortunately, it just doesn't last.

What do you think that is? Do you think it's just like she, you seem very confident in who you are. You seem almost like any criticism. You're just like, whatever, I know who I am. I'm not gonna let that get me down. Where Brooks, on the other hand, it's just like she wants to be her truest self

and her truest self is to be your friend and kind of be that snarky who gives a fuck personality. But it's like she maybe is like reading her comments too much or like, you know, getting feedback from Sarah and the other women about a certain behavior and it seems to be affecting her in a way that doesn't affect you. I mean, but that was so interesting to watch.

Like I loved watching it. The Sarah and Brooks thing was freaking hilarious. Like what she means is, like no, it's not what it means. Okay, like what do I mean to say? Like I could not believe what I was watching myself and no one else seemed to see it or get it like while I'm at the table. Well, thank God for the flashbacks.

Oh, it was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant to watch as a viewer. I loved it. Um, you know, and I don't know, I think Brooks can't decide whether she's a church going sort of like Vickers wife or she's this party loving, like, I don't know, like, you know, woman that sort of like has men all over the place and having fun and like, I don't know who like, you know, a woman that sort of like has men all over the place and having fun and like, I don't know who she is. I don't think she knows.

She hasn't decided. It's still out to the jury right now. Is there something else that happens between you and Brooks later in the season or is this like a reunion drama that might have started? No, reunion, I feel like I got away quite unscathed. I was so excited to go to reunion to be honest this year because I feel so, as you said, very relaxed about who I am. So like not a lot really. I feel like Teflon, they can throw you know all of it and I sort of like... Unbreakable. Unbreakable, exactly.

And you know compared to what other people went through at reunion, I'm okay. So, and Brooks, Brooks will be back. It's just, you know, it's just the way she is. Why do you think the vagina comment pissed her off so bad? Oh, it didn't. It was a convenient excuse for God's sake. I mean, really, it's like, it was the most ridiculous comment.

I mean, I did see vagina. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like it happened. Like you didn't lose your shit when. It was literally a down with dog in the middle of the Beyonce concert. I defy any of you not to have laughed. It was really funny. Well, the thing is I feel like Talene didn't even care.

And it was just Brooks who was so angry. Oh, she didn't care. Brooks got so angry. It wasn't even her but JJ. Insane. Circling back to the reunion, I know you said other stuff happened. Saba recently posted a story of her breaking up with Sarah.

Is there anything that you can shed light into that? Because it was kind of random. I mean, Saba hasn't spoken all season and suddenly, it's like, oh, there is another housemate. Um, she, I don't know what's happened with, uh, Sabba and, uh, Twitter, but I think she needs to stay off it. Don't you? I've never heard of a friend breakup. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

Like I, you know, a legal state, what is it? A legal statement we're breaking up today? That's crazy. It's crazy. I'm obsessed with your no nonsense, Caroline. I find it to be a breath of fresh air. Thank you. I feel like in the Housewife world, there's like some Housewives that I feel like

are the real Housewives, like what the franchise was meant to be, which is like someone like you. And then other Housewives who like try to create their own storyline and perform and things like that. So I just want to say, it's been just a pleasure watching you, I'm such a fan, and you're a breath of fresh air.

And it's, every time you and Sergio are on my screen, I find it to be really enjoyable. Thank you. Well, we love doing it. Do you watch any other franchises? I watch all of them. I mean, I've just been in Bali with Meredith Marks. I had FaceTime for two hours this morning

with Larsa Pippen. I have a lot of friends on the franchises, so I really, really enjoy them just as much. I only watch R1-1, so I watch it like a viewer. I kind of take my helicopter out and don't get watch R11, so I watch it like a viewer. I kind of take my helicopter at and don't get too involved with it when I watch it. I don't analyze it. I watch it like you guys do and go, that's, you know, it's pretty funny. I will say, I did see a comment that you had Caroline on a picture of Teresa's fake Chanel.

Oh yeah. I'm wondering, what is your thoughts on Housewives wearing fake luxury? And then also what are your thoughts on like the franchise falling apart for New Jersey? Well, I mean, that's quite bold to wear something like that. A fake Chanel that anyone could see. But I guess, you know, look, it's. Up to you, I guess. And that I do own that tracksuit and it was ridiculously priced.

So maybe I should have bought the fake. Sorry, what was it about? It? Oh, here. Here we are. You have it? Stop. There you go. Sweet Pieces. It's a little different shape, but yes, and it's really thick. I do have it. How could you tell that Teresa's was fake? The letters are all wrong and the...

It spells Penel. I don't know. It spells Penel. I don't know. I didn't. It wasn't me that called her out on it. I wouldn't have called her out on it. To be fair, I'd left it there. I mean, unfortunately, it just is.

What did you ask? What was the question? The second one was because New Jersey, this final season, everybody was like, it was bad. They're canceling it. And meanwhile, Dubai is doing perfectly fine. I feel like everyone expects that of New Jersey, don't you? I mean, I feel like they encourage it.

Like, I feel like, you know, they've all been fighting for years. It's kind of the basis of their relationship. I don't know. I feel like that is what people watch New Jersey for. So maybe I'm surprised everyone's so shocked, that's all. How did you initially get on Real Housewives of Dubai? They came, when they came to Dubai, I suppose, you know,

all everyone knew from Ladies of London. I was here, though, you know, that was one of the first people they called. Wow. Well, Bravo said, come get her. Some would say they made the show about you. Oh, some might. They would say they didn't. So that's some way Andy Cohen did stay. I would.

Yeah. I think that's the voice that matters too, if Andy Cohen said it. Caroline, it's been so fun talking with you. We really appreciate you taking the time at the odd hours of the night over in Dubai. Can you, you want to plug anything? Oh, well check out BustTheLabel.com, our new wellness brand. So it's www.bustthelabel.com. And my podcast, Uncut and Unsensitive.

You want to know anything about me, it's there. Amazing. All right, well check out Caroline's podcast. Caroline, we really appreciate you taking the time. Sergio, we love you. You're one of our favorites. We can't wait to watch the rest of the season and hopefully we'll get a chance to talk soon. If you're ever in LA, Caroline, we'd love to have you in studio.

Let us know. All right. We'll take care. We appreciate your time. Bye. Bye. Thank you everyone. Nice to meet you all.

Nice to meet you. I love her. Yeah. I love her too. I love Sergio. I am so Sergio, aren't I? You are Sergio the more I think about it. Right?

Like my dream, I've, I do, I felt like whenever they were, Yasmin was like, she follows him around. Like you follow mom around like a lost puppy. And he was like, what do you mean? I love her. It's like, that is me with Nick. I'm like, what's the problem? You don't want to go to bed holding hands and kissing?

That seems like so fun. I mean, like I do in theory. I love the idea of it. I would love to, like every day I'm like, you know, I saw somewhere that a 20 second hug is like the exact amount of time you should hug for to like release the emotions. That is true.

I mean, a warm embrace, you have to hold the embrace. It gives you an opportunity to exchange energy. I'm being serious. I force it. I do, I force it. Nick's counting? No, he literally does. And a six second kiss, and so I make sure that I get both of those.

But I just wanna make sure I get the full 20 seconds. It's not, I'm not counting down. Sure, for sure. You're like, three, two, one. Get off me. Anyway, well, we thank Caroline and Sergio. Sergio really didn't make an appearance, but I also love that he was in the background.

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It was like under his bed. This was like when Facebook was a thing. And I had a Blackberry and you know, this is before you took content of all your stuff. I wish I would have filmed it. I was playing volleyball and I went up for a block and I came down and I landed on someone's heel or top of their foot and it snapped my toe off.

And it was- Your sports are not good for yourself? Faced that way, there was blood everywhere. Is that what happened to you? No, but this foot has been through a lot. I like shattered my growth plate in this foot in like five different places, had to have surgery on it. Oh my God.

And then, you know, now the chunk that's missing is, I'm sure it's- You really stuck it on like a bed frame this morning? The door. The door. Like just split it. And then I looked at my toe and the, on the side, there's just like a huge piece

that's just hanging and it's thick. So did we like bandage it or do we just put a sock on? No, because I didn't have band-aids in my house for the first time ever when I actually need one. But I'm just gonna like, you know, like liquid bandage. I'm just gonna glue that shit back on and call it a day. Because I don't have, I can't deal with stitches. My dad was like, you probably need stitches.

I was like, nah. You heard it here first, Lauren Gray does not let a serious toe injury knock her off. I don't let it get me down. You don't let it get you down. Are you, are you pretty good with pain tolerance? Yes. Some could say she walked it off. Ooh.

That was good. I liked it. Yeah, pretty good with that stuff. High pain tolerance. Yes, very high. Except I did go and get waxed for the first time recently. Nothing quite like that. And I'm doing it again today.

And the woman was like, the way she prefaced it was she was like, some people say this is worse than childbirth and then she just ripped it. And I was like, you know what? I respect that level of like transparency. But yeah, it was really, really terrible. I was shaking. Babe, what was worse?

Honestly, probably the waxing for sure. I mean, I was like- They don't offer an epidural during the waxing. Yeah, they don't offer an epidural. I was on the verge of like, what do I do before labor? Do I need to like fully like shave this? Like, and then I was like, people were like, go get waxed. And I'm like, I don't think I need to do that.

Like, I don't need to go through that pain and then give birth to a baby. I'll just let it bush fly. Yeah, it is pretty raw. Only because it's summer. Am I like, OK, I need to commit to something here. But apparently the first time is the worst. You should just look at laser. I can't.

They told me it wouldn't work on me because my hair is like too light. And I guess that doesn't, it doesn't take with the laser. So this is my only option. Wait, certain hairs don't take to laser? I didn't know that either, but I guess that's the truth. I don't, I'm not a professional. It's a pigment of your hair situation?

That's what they said. They said it was like too fine and too light. Too fine. And it wasn't, that's right. And it just wasn't gonna work. I'm painting a really beautiful picture right now that nobody really needs to know. Me on the complete other hand, they're like,

oh, hell yeah. And I got, I got lasered of like four separate, I did like the full pack of like eight times. They're calling people in, you gotta look at this. Yeah, like four separate times and it just, it doesn't, my hormones, I guess, I don't know, it just doesn't work. Yeah, I got like tattoo numbing cream on Amazon, so I'm gonna see if that helps me at all

when I go in tonight. Yeah, there you go. But I am thinking about it and like anticipating it and it is in the back of my mind. Well, hopefully this will be the most painless part of your day. I would absolutely, yeah. That would be great. Imagine she's like,

this podcast was worse than getting waxed. No, I promise you, there's nothing you could say to me that would be worse than what I felt in that room. Yeah. And you're so vulnerable, you know, you're just, you're like, I don't know what you're getting waxed, but I was getting my bikini line waxed and you're in a very vulnerable state I was getting my bikini line waxed

and you're in a very vulnerable state. Especially when they tell you to turn over and then like spread them. Yeah, or they're like, here, can you just pull your legs up to your ears? And you're like, I don't know if I want to set this room again like that. That was mine.

She was just like, all right, curl up in a ball. She just got right in there. I was like, this is, I've never experienced this. And she was cool. I wasn't nervous. I also have no shame. So I was just like, yep've never experienced this. And she was cool. I wasn't nervous. I also have no shame. So I was just like, yup, get in there. Yeah. Okay.

Well, I feel like I got that later on, but the first time I was like, can you tell me your name again, please? See, I don't wanna know. The less I know, the better. They're talking to you? Yeah. Yeah.

It's not silent. Yeah. I remember I'd be, they'd like talk to me about like their personal lives. You know not silent. Yeah, I remember I'd be like, they'd like talk to me about like their personal lives. You know, you're getting, I think I was talking to her about you at some point, you know, like, you know, I'm seeing this guy. You'll talk about anything on that table just to like ignore the fact what's happening.

Yeah, that and like spray tans is where I share the most personal information, I think, cause it's so already so vulnerable that you're like, might as well. Like here's more about me You want to know what's on the inside right? Yes, exactly. I don't know. I think I think it's kind of like a very beautiful thing Would you ever get waxed Nick? Sure. Really? What I what for what purpose?

I like experience where things that like I have experienced. Where? Where? What would you get? What? What should I get waxed? Well, I think. That's a personal decision, I think.

What do you feel? Where do you feel like you could have less hair and be like, oh, this is nice? I don't really care. Fair enough. Let it grow and let it flourish. I look in the mirror and she's like, well, this will do.

There you go. It's okay. My like leg hair was so long and she's like, well, this will do. Yeah. There you go. That's awful. It's okay. My like leg hair was so long and I was out here getting massages and stuff. And I was like, I didn't even stop to think, oh, they could be thinking about how long my leg, cause my leg hair is blonde.

But the thing is, is my sister is a massage therapist and she will always be like, the women always come in and say like, sorry, I didn't shave my legs. And she's like, you know, we massage men. Like you know we have like full. But I also don't want anyone looking at me and being like, oh yes, the't shave my legs. And she's like, you know, we massage men. Like you know, we have like full. I also don't want anyone looking at me and being like, oh yes, the legs of a man, you know?

I feel like that would hurt my feelings a little. Yeah, for real. But I do like shaving it when it gets long. Satisfying. Yeah. Nick told me this yesterday. He had to go pick up our dog from his like summer camp. Oh, cute.

And he said by the time he gets back, he hoped that my legs are shaved. He, yeah, he gave me a task while he was gone. Get in that bathroom and shave your legs. Well, our legs were next to each other and I couldn't tell the difference between mine or his. They were bad. Listen, and also I just want to say whatever you want to do, it's your body, your choice, you know? But shave your legs. But by the time I get back, I have those legs fucking shaved.

I don't remember that. I just want to say I don't remember that. Convenient. She was like, when you get back, maybe we'll have a little hanky panky. I didn't know. No. I'm just going to go on a limb that Natalie did not use the term hanky panky. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you. I don't think I've ever actually did not use the term hanky panky. Thank you Sarah, thank you very much.

I don't think I've ever actually heard someone use that term and just like in conversation. No, it's wild. No, what was the term you used? Do you remember we were recording something and I was like, you can't say that word. What was it like fire tunes or something you were talking about someone? Mad beats or someone who's making a song? And I was like, why would you say that? Straight up.

I'm not cool. I'm not cool. You can make it a thing, I'm sure. Mad tunes, fresh beats. Hell yeah, fire. Fire drive. I'm in my dead era. I just feel like, you know, I can say things like-

You can, you can get away with it, sure. Yeah. Sure. It's all about the confidence in what you say it with. There you go. There you go. I say, I've said some questionable things. I was walking out of a restaurant and for some reason the thing that came to my mind to say as I was walking out the door was, have a blessed one.

And my friends were like, oh, what? Have a blessed one. And I was like, hmm. And I still use it because it's stuck. And I was like, you know what? Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. One of my favorite things to say,

I've said it for years and I remember I used to like put other people onto it too, but people would be like, hope you have a great day. And I'm like, thanks, hope you have a better one. Oh, I like that. And some people would be like, whoa, like one up me. You know, there's no need to do that. I like it.

And some people are like, oh my God, thanks. Cause most people are like, yeah, you too. You know, and it's just in to do that. I like it. Some people are like, oh my God, thanks. Cause most people are like, yeah, you too. You know, it's just in passing, but. You're so selfless that you want. I'm so humble. I'm so selfless. I'm just like, I think about so many other people. And I just wanted people to know that I do hope

that your day's better than mine. Yeah, that's, I think that's really, yes. Absolutely selfless. Thank you so much. Well, congratulations on your new movie. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Now that we've gotten, you. Thank you. Thank you, yes.

Now that we've gotten, you know, all of my like, and my body hair. Yes, they now talked about that. Thank you. Thank you so much. Did you ever imagine going on the Vile Falls and talking about body hair? No, it's not what I set out to do this morning,

but it did feel right. Like, yeah. Right? It just flew off the tongue. To be clear, your new movie, Incoming, is not about body hair? No, no. Talk to us about it.

It is a sort of like coming of age comedy movie, a lot of like similarities to movies like American Pie and Superbad, it's about a party. We love both of those. Yes, they're great. And it's about four freshmen boys and a crazy party and sort of everyone coming into their own. And I play Katrina, who is like the popular it girl

and things sort of get a little crazy for her. But it's my first acting role and it was a really great experience. What was the most terrifying thing about the experience? It's the first time I've done anything like this. So I had to sort of build my confidence and have confidence in the fact that, you know, they chose me for a reason,

and I could handle playing that part because it is like a very big, like, point of the movie. It's very funny, and I was a little concerned about, like, being able to execute it, but I think it turned out well. Yay! Was acting always on your mind? Were you like, I always want to, at some point,

get to this or did it kind of come out of the blue? Before I started social media and music and everything that I do now, I used to take acting classes in New York and my mom would take me up there when I was like 11, 12, like every Tuesday. You're from Pennsylvania?

I'm from Pennsylvania, yeah. So my mom would drive me up to New York because I just loved doing it and I was homeschooled at that time. So there was not much else to do. I finished school really early and then it was kind of like my extracurricular activity. And then once I started social media,

sort of got away from that for a little while and ventured into other things. And yeah, this was my first like full circle loop back to it, yeah. Yay, I love that. I think a lot of people who come up on social media and have massive followings, there's always maybe a stigma or not real celebrity.

Did you have to kind of overcome any of those kind of self-limiting beliefs when you got this opportunity of this is something I really can do, or did you always have the confidence that you could do it? I don't think I've always had the confidence in anything that I've done and it's not necessarily from the fact of like coming from social media. I think that's more of a box that other people put me in and I know that that means that I just have to prove myself that much more when it comes to projects like this. But in my own personal like confidence, I guess once

I prove it to myself and I know that I can do it, it's that much easier. It's the same thing when I started making music and performing live. I never performed live until I started making music and getting into social media. That was a hurdle I had to overcome, but I feel like once I prove it to myself, it's that much easier. What actors or actresses do you admire or wanna kind of mimic your career around? Oh my gosh, I love Rachel McAdams. She's like my, she's my dream.

I just love everything about her. I love every role she plays. I love how versatile she is. So yeah, she's my number one for sure. That's a good answer. Right, she's great. It's a great answer. She's great.

Newmore Method, what's your process? I didn't really have a process. I don't think I've experienced enough in the acting space. I can say that confidently. I have no idea. I watched a lot of movies because I'm drunk for a majority of the scenes that we shot. So I had to learn how to act drunk and that's really hard.

Yeah. Yeah. So I watched a lot of like bridesmaids and movies like that where there's, people are good at acting drunk. But outside of that, I was just sort of learning as I went. And I do think I got better and better because when you're on set participating

in someone else's project, your guard has to be completely down because like, even though you might feel like you look dumb or embarrassing or whatever, because just like standing in a room with a bunch of cameras surrounding you and like yelling or being silly or acting drunk or whatever can be really intimidating,

especially when you're used to being in control of the content that's being created. So I feel like once I was comfortable with that, I mean, the first scene we shot, I was like screaming and throwing things. And so that was really helpful and sort of overcoming. Just got the hard parts out of the way. And then it was sort of silly after that.

I feel like I was just kind of learning as I go and I'm sure I'll get better and better. What's the trick to playing drunk? I mean, for me, it was a lot of like slurring. And if you think you look dumb or sound dumb, be a little bit dumber because I've seen videos of myself drunk and it's very hard to replicate.

So I think like the slurring and things like that and just being like as lazy as possible with everything. But the script was great, which helped. Like the script sort of tracked with what you would be saying if you were drunk. I feel like being loud is like the most authentic to drunk people. Just belligerent. Yeah. Just like, and that's why you don't care.

And that's exactly it. Yeah. And I was also like with two, I think the boys were like 15, 16, and I was 20 when we were shooting, but it was fun because they're kids and they're also like having fun with the role. So my guard was a little bit more down because of that. And they were just like, they were also really funny. So it was fun, yeah. Very cool.

You know who's really good at acting drunk on television is reality TV stars. Of course I don't think there's much acting going on. You are also a big reality TV fan yourself. I am, I am, yeah. What are some of your favorites? 90 Day Fiance has forever been my favorite. I've seen 90 Day Fiancé, Happily Ever After.

I've seen all of like the random spin-offs the other way that's happening right now. I think Happily Ever After is also happening right now, but I'm caught up on all of that. All of the Love is Blinds, I just watched Love is Blind, do you K? I just started watching that last night. Where are you at?

Episode two only. Oh, okay, okay, okay. It's really good. I can confidently say I love Freddie and Catherine together. I don't know if they end up together, but the funeral director, and he has a Down syndrome brother, and she teaches Down syndrome kids to swim or something.

And they, I don't know if they end up together, but I feel like they need to. I don't know either. Cause I am on like, I'm on the episode before they go to the altar. So I'm like, I'm towards the end. Have you been watching? I've only seen the first episode.

I will say this, this cast of the UK, it's produced by a different production company than the Love is Blind USA. Sounds weird saying Love is Blind USA. Sounds weird saying Love is Blind USA. I know. Love Island, I know. Different production company. It's a different looking cast. They're all hot.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like, what's the other Netflix show? Too hot to handle. Too hot to handle, but Love is Blind. Yeah. Which I think is kind of interesting because even hot people have a type. Yeah. That is true.

Just because you're hot doesn't mean you're my kind of hot. I will say I had the same thought when I was seeing everyone. I was like, there's really, I mean, and on a very surface shallow, like vapid level, there's no bad picks. No, yeah. I mean, what's his name?

Freddie, he looks like Aaron Taylor, like the new James Bond. You put a beard on him, he looks exactly like Aaron Taylor. One of the best looking men in Hollywood today. Do y'all remember when I was at Irina, when she like met the guy and she was immediately like, um...

Yes, I vaguely remember. And now he's with Bliss now. Oh, Zach. Zach. Oh yes, thank you. Irina and Zach. Yes, yes, okay. I remember and she was like,

oh, like I feel like that's not gonna happen. This, so far I haven't really seen one of those moments where like, I think it was the last season, was it where the girl said she looked like Megan Fox and the guy like went with her very clearly purely because she said that. And then he was like, no. I've met Chelsea in person.

Really? Does she look like Megan Fox? You can see the Megan Fox. I could see it. I could see it in like the facial structure, the eyes, the hair color. I got what she was saying. Yeah, no, as soon as I met her in person,

you could tell that many, many men have told her she looks like Megan Fox when they were definitely trying to get laid. And also like good for her, because I would be nervous to compare myself to anyone. Because if there was any expectation and I showed up any less than that expectation, I would be nervous to compare myself to anyone. Because if there was any expectation and I showed up any less than that expectation, I would be crushed.

No, she should never have answered the question. Well, I think he answered it first and then that was cut out and then it was like, he asked the question or something and it was just. But she handled it in the best possible way. For sure, and she's a beautiful girl and I hate that she got put in that situation. Cause like it's Megan Fox.

But it also ended with Megan Fox giving an interview being like, listen, like hell yeah. People said she looks like me, then didn't she looks like me? Like pop off? Yeah. To have Megan Fox validate. When I met her, she left the party

that I met with the Oppenheim men. What? From Selling Sunset. Oh. Oh, I watched that one too, yeah. I would like to What? From Selling Sunset. Oh. I like to remember the Oppenheim. Oh, I watched that one too, yeah. I would like to see her on Selling Sunset. Oh, she is a realtor, isn't she?

She's a realtor? I don't know. Oh, she should be. Oh, I think she is. But I think that's neither here nor there. She can get her license. Very true. I think Chelsea would come in and really shine.

I think so too. She'd be around all these women in American Eagle jeans and Haviana flip flops and she would crush. What made her so good is that she was really good at being vulnerable. Like she would show her insecurities in the most authentic way.

And she also wouldn't allow, like they would try to be like bitches to her. And she'd be like, that doesn't, you trying to hurt my feelings? Guys, I look like Megan Fox. I feel like she would handle, like they would get so mad because they wouldn't be able

to get under her skin. So Love Is My UK, worth the finish? I hope so. I'm gonna finish it and I will report back. We should keep going. But right now you should keep going, yeah, for sure. It does get, it always gets juicy when they bring in, like, the people that didn't get picked from the pods

and they're all like, damn. They see the person that they were gonna pick, yeah. And that is where I was like, okay, they're cooking, like I'm with it. But yeah, I think I'm always gonna prefer US because I just feel like there was more drama and like that's what I live for, that's what I wanna see, but it is like a good watch.

It's not a bad watch at all. Did you watch any Love Island USA that everyone was talking about? I was going to, but then by the time that I was late and I'd already seen everything on TikTok and I was like, man, I can't even like get into this now because I already know what happens even though I don't really know the characters

or the people like that. Like, I feel like I already saw the ending and now I'm just gonna be like, man. Yeah, that's valid. But I do love that one girl, is her name? Leah? Yes, yeah, I don't know how she is on the show or anything, but on TikTok she's funny and she's cool.

I will say if you have time, it's worth watching even like knowing what you know, cause it's absurdly entertaining this season. Okay, then I need to go back. I need to go back and get into it because I was like, man, I feel like I watched this whole thing on TikTok. If you have a spare like 900 hours because there's so many episodes.

I'm sure I could find time somewhere. I find time for like every 90 day fiance episode that's ever came out. And those were like two hours long. Yes. You know what it is about that show is it's just so perfect. Like I wanna know what like the casting process for that show is, because I'm

like, I know that they submit themselves to be a part of the show, but I'm like, how? Where do you find some of these people? It's crazy. My sister, when they just they flew out here to visit, and they flew from Atlanta to LA, and my sister sat beside Big Ed. Oh my God. Oh my God. And they were like, my sister was like, this, I know this man. I've seen this. I know this man, wow. I know this neck. I've seen this neck before.

I've seen that somewhere before. I know him. I feel like I know him a little too well. She said I Googled no neck reality TV star. Then of course it like popped up. She was like, yep, that's it. Oh my gosh. That he's like a whole thing to tackle in and of himself.

I have so many thoughts on that man. I have so many questions. Yeah. So it's really the high stakes reality TV shows that you love the most. Is that, is it considered like high stakes? 90 day? 90 day fiancee, love is blind,

getting married to someone after a few weeks or engaged after 90. Yes, I guess so. Yeah, I love some stakes. Is the bachelorette almost kind of too mellow for you? No, I've actually never really got- But you only have to get engaged after nine weeks. Is that how it works?

I genuinely, I caught up on this episode because I was like, okay, I need to be a little bit prepared. But I was like, I can't go on there and pretend I know what I'm talking about. Cause like the bachelorette, it's been going on for a really long time. 20 some years. Yeah, like the show, I think it started airing the year I was born and I was like, I got a lot to catch up on.

There's a lot to catch up on there. But okay, I have a question because I do love reality TV. If you had to suggest because there obviously is so much content if you All had to suggest like a season for someone who knows nothing to start at what would you say for a bachelor bachelorette for both? Like the best season like where would you like obviously? You can start no you could start anywhere. They're all the same. Okay, what would you say is the best season? If I had to pick one, Hannah Brown's. Okay.

That's a good season. Caitlin's was pretty good though when I was on. And if you're just talking objective, like drama, good. High stakes drama. Okay. Caitlin and Hannah's pretty solid. All right. Old Bachelor in Paradise too.

See, it's another one of those shows with so many spinoffs that I'm like, once I get into this, I can't get out. That's what I'm like. I'm like, do you like a lot of stuff happening? I was like, the earlier seasons of Bachelor in Paradise, not even knowing who the people are from the Bachelor, it's fun, it was fun.

Okay. Until it wasn't. Okay. Until it was, okay. Okay, girl. Did any of the men of the Final Four men of gens shine or stand out to you? Based off their face, who would you pick?

Jonathan. That's who I think she ends up with. You think? Is he a sweetie pie? I hope he's a sweetie pie. I think she ends up with Jonathan. He is. I also love Marcus too.

I don't know. What would you, if you had to describe each of them in one word? I think Jeremy is really, I think he's very funny. I think he's the one who like is the wittiest and he like has quick, he's got like quick humor. Okay, I like that. Yeah, good banter I think would be Jeremy.

Jonathan is like incredibly thoughtful and like, I think, cause he always does like the lacrosse, like he thinks about like the stuff, Jen, her hobbies and like stuff she's into and he- I mean, I don't know if that was really him, but they were probably like, you both play lacrosse. So you don't think it's coming from a genuine place? Well, he does seem like a really genuine guy.

I just like knowing how those dates operate. I just know that he wasn't the one who planned. Well, I will say when it comes to hometowns, that actually the contestants, they actually do have a say on what you did. They will say, so. What did you do on your hometown? I had my friend show up, took her to a brewery.

In Wisconsin? Yeah. Classic. The first on both? Well, the second one, there wasn't one. It was that crazy. They canceled hometowns. Oh my God. Oh, wow. We don't need to talk about why.

I'm on the edge of my seat. Wait, you dirty whore. Are you for real? Because Nick hooked up with the bachelorette and they canceled hometowns. Oh, wow. Not to slush my husband, but. Well, no, you're happily married now, obviously.

Happy endings, happy endings all around, but. Happy endings. Something to note. Literally all around, besides the three other men. But everyone else got a happy ending. Poor guys. Who would imagine? Woo.

Uncanny couple. Anyways, that is. So anyway, now that I eat my words, maybe Jonathan did say, I'd love to play LaCrosse with Jen. Exactly, so I think Jonathan's incredibly thoughtful. Marcus, I feel like... Let me ask you a question. I'm sorry. No, no.

No, no, no, please. No, please. No, please. No. I feel like I'm interrupting something. You're literally in the middle of something. I feel like I'm in the middle of something. Marcus, it's my fault.

No, I don't know if I can come up with a word for Marcus. I feel like Marcus is just very- He's just Marcus. He's just Marcus. You know, you know Marcus. Classic guy. I know Marcus. We all know Marcus.

He's just like a sweet, he's an army veteran. He's like been through it. His like families like has had a tough childhood. Not there. His families wasn't really there. I just feel like he has experienced life. He's got the story. He's got the story.

For sure. And I feel like he's just been through it all that he's like, you know what? Like life is too precious. I'm just here to be in love and sweet. Just bare his soul. Absolutely. I love that.

Devin, you know. Laura's over my question. Laura, if a man took you running on a date, that. Devin, I, you know. Laura's gonna ruin my question. Laura, if a man took you running on a date, what would you do? I would, okay. I actually have a, I have a story. So I went on a date with this guy once,

I'll summarize it because there was a lot going on. Anyway, he ended up staying at my house and he woke me up after like we had been drinking, woke me up at like five in the morning. I shit you not, the sun was still down. It was, it was nighttime. He woke me up and was like ready to work out and I was still drunk. So I was like, um, I put on my workout clothes and I went downstairs and he's like running me through this whole bootcamp. I threw up three times and came back in my own house.

I'm like, he's putting me through this like boot camp and it's 530 in the morning. No, just like a dude that I knew. And he's like, like putting his whole like soul into that workout. And I was like, I got maybe three hours of sleep. And after he left, I was like, I don't I don't think he's the one for me what just happened I was so like I felt like I was astroplaning is that what it's called when you're just like out of your body and not a body experience yeah I was just like looking down on the situation like this is what we're doing now my nightmare was that I would marry into a family that does the turkey trot on Thanksgiving.

I have never even heard of that. You haven't. No. Well, let me just bring you into my nightmares. Turkey trot? It's the turkey trot. It's the morning of Thanksgiving. Okay.

And you all go for a run. Like, it's like, I don't know how long it is, but it's like a thing. It's like, we're about to pig out on food. Let's all jog. Let's all jog and do the turkey trot. And like, that was always my fear. Who did this?

Is this a family thing? No, this is a known thing. It's a thing that happens. My hometown does it too, yeah. Okay, thank you. Blessings to people that can do that. Is it like all of Alabama or something or something? No, I think this is like nationwide.

It's a tradition. Yeah, it's a thing. Everyone in here is saying it's a thing. Fair. How have y'all never heard? I haven't heard of either. Because my family does not do that. I was gonna say, I didn't grow up in a family like that.

No, weird. Mine didn't either. That's why I was like, that would be so fucking scary to me if I've made it this far in my life. And then I marry into someone who's like, it's a family tradition. Every morning, every Thanksgiving morning, we get up and go on a run.

I'll be like, blessings to you all. Blessings. No, thank you. So to answer your question, at this point in my life, no, but there probably was a point in my life, or I know for a fact there was a point in my life, not that long ago, where I would have been like, I guess. Is that why you've never been

to one of my family Thanksgiving's? Now when we first started dating, was like Thanksgiving is my family's holiday. You can have Christmas, but Thanksgiving, it's a big deal for my family. I was like, okay family's holiday. You can have Christmas, but Thanksgiving, it's a big deal for my family. I was like, okay, I guess. I'm so scared that you're gonna make me run. You have to do turkey trot.

I've literally never been to my family's Thanksgiving since I've met Natalie. Oh wow. Did your family turkey trot? No. We can go then. We can go this year. Turns out that's why we've never been.

Now if a man woke me up at 5 a.m. asking me to go do a boot camp or workout I would go sew Meredith Marks on him and be like You can leave. See but the thing is I was still drunk So I was like I guess this is what we're doing now. Like I put on my leggings and it's like dark in my house. Did you ever ask him why?

He was a big, he worked in sports And he was like a big gym guy And I should have anticipated this. And I'm sure I agreed to it, like in a drunken state, like, yeah, we'll work out. Oh, that's what happened. And then my favorite part was at the end, he pulled up like a video of this, like insanely hot, like fitness girl. And he's like, this girl kills my abs every day.

And I'm like, I'm sitting there like doing crunches. I can barely do the workouts. Cause this girl is like shredded, not an ounce of fat on her body. She's perfect. And he's like, showing me this girl, show me her Instagram. I'm like, dude, hit her up. Like get out of my house.

What is going on? But I think for the future, I wouldn't handle things the same way. Like I genuinely left three times to throw up and I came back and I was like, let's do it. Devin got into running and now is forcing Jen to jog. Oh, how long of a jog are we talking? It probably wasn't long at all.

He was sweating so bad. You didn't see that? But Devin looks like, I mean, and I say this as a sweater, I sweat, but Devin looks like a sweater. Devin looks like as soon as he- He does, he does kind of give like clammy hands. Yeah, like- See, I can't even hate,

cause I'm like the, you know those people, I'm one of them, that gets like the red face, which is like the white around your mouth. When you do like the slightest bit of like, you get your heart rate up a little bit, my entire face turns beet red, and then just around my mouth, it's white. And I go to Equinox, which is like this-

How does this happen? Well, just by working out. I'm super, super white. Like the, like no, my entire ancestry is in like one tiny corner of like Western Europe, there's no sauce to me whatsoever. So like my skin is transparent. And then when I work out, it's just like, my like blood vessels are popping. I don't even know.

But yeah, I'm, and I go to Equinox and everyone looks so hot. Like their hair's done. Yeah, that's like the date spot in LA is like Equinox. Really? That's like where people go to meet their husbands. That's my nightmare. Are you actively dating?

Are you in love? Are you going- It's complicated. Yeah, we're figuring things out. We're in a situation. We're in a situation. We're in a situation and I'm figuring it out. You gotta get out of the situation. I don't know, sometimes.

How long have you been hanging out with Mr. Situationship? We're working on our situation. What does that mean? Like roughly, roughly like nine months. What? Yeah, yeah, like roughly. But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and things happened really fast and then it just kind of crumpled. But- Who if either of you would prefer to be a relationship? Would prefer to be in the relationship?

Just for it not to be a situationship and for it to be a relationship. Oh, no, we're very much exclusive. It's just a situation because it's not like a, we're not stable yet, you know? Can I ask, because I feel like I hear this a lot. I've been with the same person for seven years, so dating, I don't know. I'm like I hear this a lot. I've been with the same person for seven years,

so dating, I don't know. I'm like, is a relationship different than exclusivity? I think nowadays. I feel like I've seen that where it's like, we're exclusive, but he's not my boyfriend. No, no, no, no, no. Like I'm dancing around the line because like it's very freshly like being put back together.

So I wouldn't say it's very freshly being put back together. So I wouldn't say it's a situation where we haven't been exclusive and been in a relationship. It's more so like we stopped communicating for a little bit and now we're communicating again and sort of trying to find a groove that's not bad for us. Which is actually, I would say, the most maturely I've ever handled any relationship, because usually I'm like, it's cut, and then it's like, I'm on my story like... Wife up bitches! So, we're like, you know, we're figuring it out, but I'm trying to handle things better than I have in the past.

What does that mean? figuring it out, but I'm trying to handle things better than I have in the past. What does that mean? I don't, I don't like to admit I'm wrong ever. And we never are. And now I'm more on this page of like, okay, well, we're both wrong, you know? Like, so I'm getting closer. I'm like, oh, we're both wrong. So we can fix this.

You and I. You don't know this,, you and I, baby. We're figuring it out. You don't know this, but you also did something wrong. I will agree to also be wrong with you. Yeah, I'm like, you know. So you're not alone. But we're the reason I showed up late. No, I, and listen, it's one of those things where like, I care about them as a person, no matter how it pans out.

Like, it's going to work out how it does. But yeah, I've done, I've, I've, you know, yeah. I'm figuring it out guys. Is he also in the public eye? No, no, I've, I've done that also and it's, um, painful, painfully competitive sometimes and I just, it's not necessarily for me, you know, I, I'd rather explain to someone what I do and then be like, I don't, okay. Then like, then be like, Oh, your engagement's down, babe.

You know, like that's crazy. Oh, I've had like worse. I've had like, like guys that want to like control everything down to like my hair and makeup and like buying me products from makeup tutorials and being like, this is what you need to do. What? Yeah. Like he really loved, one of my exes really loved

like a bronzy, he loved a bronzy smokey eye. And he was like, he was like, here girl. Do we know his name? Yes. But he, I, he's very much so been out of the picture for a very long time. He's like, I really like the glazed donut brown chocolate frosting I'm.

And you're like, what? I was like, do you know that? He would show me, he'd be like, just watch this video. So you see how we're like, and he knew all the terminology and he would like be in my closet. Like he would pick me out outfits.

And I was like Barbie doll. But he has a brand new Barbie doll now and she is gorge. And I hope that's working out well for both of them. Perfect. I wish you the best. Yes, absolutely. Can we google Lauren's exes? No, that's crazy.

The fact that you said he likes a brown smokey eye is crazy. Oh, it's like he just wanted a bronze goddess, Victoria's Secret model vibes. And he would tell me when I was gaining weight too, he'd be like, you're looking a little, you're getting a little, you're putting a little weight on, girl. That's beyond, that's crazy.

But in the moment, I didn't even think about it. I was like, yeah, he's probably right. Fuck. No. No. But then over time, I was sort of like, OK, maybe the makeup's a little weird. And I was like, OK, the outfits are weird.

And it's like, I don't really have a sense of who I am anymore because you do it all for me. And we just need to go our separate ways. Well, thank god. Yeah. This other guy is much better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I can say that with confidence, yeah. I think everyone has their own shit and you gotta pick what you can deal with, you know? Yeah, maybe you just haven't met your guy yet. Or maybe he's your guy, I don't know, who knows? Who knows? who knows? Who knows? We'll find out.

We'll find out. Lauren, it's been so much fun talking to you. Thank you. Congratulations on the new movie. Thank you. When's it come out? It comes out on August 23rd. Tomorrow.

Tomorrow. So be sure to check it out on Netflix. Anywhere you get your Netflix. Anywhere you get it. On Netflix. On your phone, your iPad, your computer. Yeah, wherever you stream. Any tablet you use. Any sort of Netflix. Anywhere you get it. On Netflix? It's on your phone, your iPad, your computer. Yeah, wherever you stream. Any tablet you use.

Any service. Any way you stream on Netflix. Any service you use, yes. I mean, you have 25 bazillion followers, but where can people follow you in case they haven't yet? Lauren Gray. It's perfect. It's there.

That's great. Is that your real name? It's my first name and my middle name. Love that. Thank you. I love that. Nick said the same thing to Kevin Jonas. He's my first name and my middle name. Love that. Thank you. You love that. Nick said the same thing to Kevin Jonas. He's like, you want to let the people know

where to follow you? You don't need my help. You're a Jonas brother. Kevin Jonas is different, dude. Like I know where he's at. You know? We know where he's at. I know where you're at.

We know that name. I know where you're at. 25 million followers. No, that's crazy. But I'm not Kevin Jonas. Come on. Like you know Kevin Jonas. at. 25 million followers. No, that's crazy. But I'm not Kevin Jonas, come on. Like, you know Kevin Jonas. He's a Joe bro.

But Lauren, 25 million is crazy. Thank you. Like, that's why you're nuts. Do you read your comments? Sometimes. That's brave. That is brave. Do you not?

I try not to. Oh, I think that's more brave. I'm always scared that like, what if something happened? Like, what if my nipple came out and I didn't read the comments? I don't know. I wouldn't know until that actually happened to me before. Proofread the vid. You know, just go ahead and watch it twice. You never know when a sneaky nip might be out and you just don't see it.

Because I'm looking at my face, not my nipple. And other people are looking at your nipples and that honestly, you're right. Thanks. Keep an eye on those nips. Thanks for being a girl's girl in the comments ever. Yeah, point it out. Nicely. Thanks. Keep an eye on those nips. Thanks for being a girl's girl in the comments, everyone. Yeah, point it out nicely. Don't cover the size of the shape.

Very funny. Don't comment on the size of the shape. We really appreciate you. Congratulations on all your success. Thank you. And what I have no doubt will be an illustrious acting career. Great word, thank you.

I appreciate that. All right, bye Lauren. Bye. Woo! Oh Lauren, what a delight. Oh she's so cute. Yeah, she's so cute, so fun, love her. Well, wrapping up the Bachelorette, I mean, honestly, Hometowns is always kind of like... Boring.

Unless it's Peter Weber season in Victoria. Just doesn't want to go. What is her famous line? Victoria. Excuse you what? Yeah, excuse you what? What? Yeah.

Yeah, this episode is kind of a squeeze. Just don't make them like they used to. I did like Marcus's hometown though. Like that made me want to cry. When that hometown screamed, they were planning on making him the bachelor, but something happened. Yeah.

Which is kind of sad. That could, I felt like, I mean, love Grant, can't wait for Grant, but you feel like Marcus could have definitely been a moment. Yeah. I don't know. I'm happier with Grant. I might be the, like, where I was like,

the only person's hometown that I actually enjoyed was Jonathan's, because I felt like it was very involved. Remember when we had Janine and we were like, what does a life look like with Jonathan? And she said children. Little JJ. Yeah, she talked about kids. Little JJ.

If you're, if she picks someone else. I'm mad. Well, you're mad. I'm mad. Well, you're mad. I'm mad. He's mad. He is mad as like, so. You want kids with Jonathan? We're just going to the supermarket?

Yeah, like what the fuck? That was definitely a winner hometown for Jonathan, I will say. Date, him like opening up finally, like getting to that point where I'm like seeing the family with her, got him to that point. Playing lacrosse.

Yeah, it was very cute. Jen's a sneaky athlete. Is she sneaky? Well, I mean- She said she likes running. Or that she does run. And lacrosse. So. It's not meant to be, but college, athletics in general?

Box. Playing lacrosse? I played basketball in fifth grade. If you threw a basketball at me, you would not be able to tell. I don't think anyone looked at Jen and go, that's a collegiate lacrosse player right there. I mean, it's-

And she's good. When she plays with Jonathan, she's good. So definitely seems like a hidden talent. It's a very cool, very sneaky talent she seems to have. Like that's a serious, like college lacrosse. It's like they're not fucking around. When they brought her on and her backstory was just that she works in the medical field. Like there wasn't really mentions of like running or I was a collegiate athlete.

Like totalit. Speaking of which, if you forgot that their new bachelor is Grant Ellis, we do have an episode of Going Deeper that we dropped last Thursday. If you want to get to know your new bachelor. My overall take on Grant was he's a man. And I say that only because they have a history in the past at times of casting more boyish people with limited relationship experience.

Yeah, they've never been in love or they're virgins. Grant's coming off a seven year relationship. He's obviously got a... You've been fucking. Yeah. He's got a real job. Got a real job. But yeah, he seems like he's, you know,

he's been open about his relationship with his parents and specifically his dad. He seems like someone who's lived some life, overcome some adversity, and that adversity has shaped him partly into the man who he is. And he's ready to take all of that lived experience and find love, which I appreciate

because that's not always the case with their bachelor. Oh, 100%. His emotional intelligence just reigns superior for me. Like watching him talk and just like how heartfelt and everything that he was, I'm like, no, these women are gonna be in good hands and I can also see them fighting to the death to get to that last four spot.

Devin, top three. I think Devin goes home next. Yeah, I think so too. Marcus is a runner up. Yeah. If Marcus goes home next week, then Marcus was definitely their original bachelor choice. Okay.

I was just like, I just can't see Devin as the bachelor. And also, I mean, I feel like a lot of the parents this go round were a little like very, I don't know, stereotypical bachelor where it's like, I just don't want you to break his heart. He's been dating 20 people. And I was like, well, you know the formula at this point. Like, I feel like, do they have to say that?

I mean, Jeremy's mom was kinda like, yeah, we're, you're. You're not it. This ain't happening. Hey, you made it this far, son. Good for you. Yeah, when she's like, when I heard Jen describe her perfect man, I was like, that's not Jeremy. That's not my son. Okay.

I kinda love that honesty, yeah. I mean, Jeremy did a hell of a job. I really liked him. I was a little sad to see him go home. I wasn't shocked by it, but I was saddened by it. Because again, I was like, if for some reason, Marcus and Devin did nothing for me this episode, and that might be a hot date.

Because I know Marcus did a lot for everybody. I don't know if he did anything for me. Did nothing for me. Hometowns, like, yeah, it's just... How would you fix hometowns? You're the producer, and they say, Sierra, your job is to fix hometowns. I don't know.

I wish that we could see people being active with their families and friends. Like, you know what I mean? Instead of it being this like awkward six person, we're all gonna sit on the couch and stare at you and you tell us like, I wish they were like bowling or like, you know, doing an activity together to where it's like, okay, now it makes sense

why you guys would be like, hey, would you go come have a chat with me? Versus we're all sitting on the couch and then it's like the sister's like, hey, now it makes sense why you guys would be like, hey, would you go come have a chat with me versus we're all sitting on the couch and then it's like the sisters like, hey, wanna come have a chat? Like, no, I just got here, but for sure. Like, I don't know, I just feel like seeing them in like an actual setting to where you'd be hanging out and meeting their friends or meeting their families

versus like this very stage sit down and formulate conversations. Yeah, it's a tough situation because you are bringing in a bunch of people who didn't sign up for a show onto a show. Yeah, it's a tough situation because you are bringing in a bunch of people who didn't sign up for a show onto a show. Yeah. So it's hard to not try to keep it controlled. Well, I liked, who's, is it Rachel from Bachelor last season?

Remember how like her family was having like a luau in the backyard? And Rachel Cucamonga, yeah. Yeah, like that to me is a lot more interesting to watch than again, just like five family members sitting there being like, so how was it? Yeah. Where'd you go? Like put the sit down outside.

Like no barbecue. Yeah, like just casual conversation. It just seems a little bit more natural than forced. In my opinion, what do I know? Would you watch like if you got like a panel of family members to give pros and cons of their family member? Yeah, or maybe if it was a little bit more of an expose on the person versus it's like, hey, you've been in the hot seat this entire time,

bachelor now come be in the hot seat here. Like maybe like, I don't know, share a baby picture or something. I don't know. Or what if it's like at the hometown, the parents or family watch episodes or the dates of Jen and whoever the person is and then they comment on it but then Jen just gets to pick one person to me. So it's not like a panel, you know? That's interesting, I'm kind of here for that.

Well, was it like when, I kind of hated how they got all the guys together for a beer afterwards. That was awkward. This is not the hometown, like if you guys can have a beer at this point in the season, they haven't gotten enough drama out of this season. Yeah. And that's where you have Marcus saying that he's not writing. You're not supposed to be this point in the season. They haven't gotten enough drama out of this season. Yeah.

And that's where you have Marcus saying that he's not ready. You're not supposed to be this chummy chummy. Yeah. I don't know, yeah. It's just like, yeah, what's the one thing we all have in common here? So what are you guys gonna do next week at Fantasy Suites? Oh! You know.

Kinda weird. Yeah. I kinda do wish that they were a little bit more like, that's my girlfriend at this stage, versus like, well, I really like him. He's a good guy. All right, next week's Fantasy Suites. We'll see if it gets weird, or not. All right, well, thanks for listening.

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