The Viall Files - E799 - Backstage w/ Kane Brown + Rachel Platten - the Bachelorette, JLO Divorce, and Dance Moms

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  First we jump into some household headlines: JLO and Ben Affleck’s divorce, the Dance Moms reboot, Natalie’s birthday, and fake restaurants. Meanwhile we sit down with Kane Brown to discuss his music and being a dad. And, Rachel Platten joins us to talk The Bachelorette overnights and Jenn’s final three.  "Love it or hate it. At least you're gonna know me. And all of me." Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Audible - Listen now. Go to https://www.Audible.com/DropDead  Apostrophe - Get your first visit for only $5 at https://www.Apostrophe.com/VIALL  \when you use our code: VIALL. That’s a savings of $15! This code is only available to our listeners. Huggies - Learn More At https://www.Huggies.com  Caraway - if you visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/VIALL10 you can take an additional 10% off your next purchase. Quince - Upgrade your wardrobe with pieces made to last with Quince. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @kanebrown @rachelplatten @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 09:16 - Hawk Tuah 10:53 - New Baby 12:48 - JLO and Affleck 17:29 - Luxury Store Drama 23:17 - Dance Moms 29:47 - Fake Ramen 35:53 - Rebranded Jax 42:34 - Kane Brown Interview 55:59 - Welcome Rachel 58:43 - New Album 01:06:02 - Supporting Your Partner 01:11:32 - Pets 01:15:30 - Raising Kids 01:22:02 - Reality TV and Orange Chicken 01:35:54 - Bachelorette Recap 01:46:07 - Cruises and Fight Song 01:54:59 - Making Music 02:01:58 - Outro

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Did you have as great of a weekend as Nellie and I did? I believe so. Did you? Are you sure? Maybe it's somewhat different. How would you tell us about your great weekend? Oh, I went to brunch and I played with a baby all day. And then I was hungover and watched old episodes

of summer house while getting ready for this week. Old episodes of Summer House? Oh my God, yes, I told you, I'm a Bravo purist. If I don't know what to watch, it's an old season of a Bravo TV show. Are you missing out on the Summer House shenanigans? I am missing it so much, I cannot wait. I cannot wait.

Is Summer House your favorite rewatch Bravo franchise? Not gonna lie, yeah, because it doesn't require a lot of thinking. There's not a lot of drama in that type of way. Like this past season was crazy, but typically it's just fun. It's a fun watch. Did you rewatch this past season?

That's what I was watching. Any new takeaways? I just told them, I was like, I don't know. I was really hung over and hearing Jesse start singing open pit barbecue sauce. I was losing it. He was just a great addition to the show. But yeah, no, no new takeaways.

Just I love everybody on that show. Does it drive you crazy that the next season comes next summer? Like you have to wait a whole year essentially for the next season. Is it next? No, I think it comes out in winter. That's why I've always been confused. When did it come out last year? Did it not come out during the summer?

I think it's like late fall, early winter. When was America calling Wes the fuck boy? I feel like we just had him on, no? That was like yesterday. Do you have any more, where do you stand on Wes? Let's rehash this. Yeah, for sure. Our audience is missing us rehashing this.

Same as I was the last time you asked me. What did you say then? Well, that last time we got into it because I didn't accept his apology. No, I mean, I think Wes is a great addition as well. However, do I think he's a little fuck boy that like could have taken my responsibility? Absolutely.

And I will die on that hill with you, my guy. Well, your mother-in-law, my mom, was in town for like a week and she left on Sunday. But before she left, she gave me my birthday present. Ooh. Because my birthday is on Saturday. And it was a card that had like on the front, it was a drawing of a mom with a baby.

And she's had that card for 30 years. She was like, I bought this card 30 years ago and I just like loved it so much, but I never had anyone that I could give it to. Like I just, no one was ever worthy of it, so I've just held onto it. And then she gave me, like she wrote obviously in the card, and then she gave me a baby bangle for River.

And she said all of like her girls wore it. And then she gave me this ring that my dad, she said the first gift my dad gave her was a like link chain bracelet and it broke and she made a ring out of it. And so she gave me that ring and she said that that was a gift that he gave her when they were falling in love. I know.

And so I'm just like sobbing all morning on Sunday because I got these like such sentimental gifts from my mom. And yeah. I was like, uh, Nellie's mom asked me when I was like, I don't know, somewhere else in the house. She's like, what are you doing for her birthday? Like, I don't know, somewhere else in the house, she's like, what are you eating now for her birthday? Like, I don't fucking know.

I heard the deep sigh and I saw the readjustment in the chair as soon as she was like, my birthday's on Saturday. And I go, what'd you get now? And she goes, something from the heart. She cried. Well, good fucking for you. She said, top that.

No, literally. She was like like something with sentiment She had a head start though, yeah, it's not there tonight she had 35 years 26 year head start But Nick I can't wait because Friday night Nick's gonna go. So what do you wanna do tomorrow for your birthday? If you could do anything in the world, what would you want to do? birthday options love for your birthday. If you could do anything in the world, what would you want to do for your birthday? Options, love. I make it easy. My birthday is on Monday

and we're going away for the weekend. And then I was like, I don't care. I just, on a Tuesday, I want you to take me to Disneyland. I haven't been to Disneyland in the longest time. And that's all I want to do is spend the day at Disney. And he's like, okay. Where are you going away?

Malibu. When's your birthday? September 1st. Labor Day. It's like the day after. Yeah are you going away? Malibu. When's your birthday? September 1st. Labor Day. It's like the day after. Yeah. You guys have birthdays or day apart? Wait, yours is on Sunday.

No. Yeah, cause mine's on Saturday. Okay, mine's on Sunday. I was gonna say, look it up. Shit, when's the first? I know Nellie. Sunday. I know I'm leaving the hotel on Monday.

I thought I was leaving on my birthday, but I think it's Labor Day. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, your birthday's so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so. On Sunday? Yeah. Anyway, so if you have any ideas for what I should give Nellie for her birthday, let me know. She didn't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sentiment recently that I have had the opportunity to replace. And now you've missed out on the David Yermin necklace. So that is true. I really missed out on that.

He missed out. No, for sure missed out. Yeah. Oh, why did you have to not and go ahead and replace the opportunity to spend $10,000 on a necklace? It was not $10,000, but I got it for literally like less than a quarter of that. Yeah. No, I love that.

I am frugal. With her money. Although it is nice that now our money is our money. Is it our money? Well, our expenses are our expenses. Are we doing joint bank account, is that what you're saying? Well, when you file jointly.

Okay. For our accountant. Mm-hmm. It's all your expenses are the same. What's yours is mine. Yeah. It's like no, you know, she gets to buy her own handbags now, at least half of it. And he'll never know.

No. No. No. Until I carry it and he's like, where's, is that? And I'm like, years. Vibrel? For years. Oh my God, no, literally I opened up a Vibrel bag and he was like, what the fuck?

Like, I rented it. Well, over the weekend, we had an amazing time because we went to the Kane Brown concert on Saturday, had a little parent night. Thank you, mother-in-law for babysitting River. We got to, we stayed up late. We did. We stayed up late and we interviewed Mr. Kane Brown

backstage, which you'll get to hear momentarily after Household Headlines. Of course. Yeah. Nick said when we were on our way home, cause we like, again, it was like after midnight. I know. And he was like, should we go to Taco Bell?

And so we were gonna go to Taco Bell, and then the line was really long. So he's like, let's just go to 7-Eleven. He was like, it feels like we're in college. Yeah. Wait, say Taco Bell again? Taco Bell. Okay, you said it right. What do you mean? It was givingleven. He's like, it feels like we're in college. Yeah. Wait, say Taco Bell again? Taco Bell. Okay, you said it right.

What do you mean? It was giving bougie. How did I say it? Taco Bell. Taco Bell. Taco Bell. Taco Bell. Anyways, but he said that it like reminded him of like, if we were in college together, but.

That's cute. Yeah, we would never be. When did he walk on? When did he walk on stage? Cause there was like five openers, right? He had three openers, okay three But that's a long time. No what he did, which I appreciate he came out on time Yeah, I'm 30 930 930 and he came down from the ceiling. It was pretty crazy. They had a lot of lasers going on And this is country music. Yes, but Kane is like. Kane is like, I mean, I'm not one to describe music

in general, but it's. Do you want me to do it? Thank you. Thank you. It's a gateway to country music. Kane is all over the board. Okay. So Kane is like, he is country, but he also, he's,

which, and this is something I said to him, I'm like, you've collaborated with quite literally everyone. Like the most random people, people all over the board, he's collaborated with her, he's collaborated with'm like, you've collaborated with quite literally everyone, like the most random people, people all over the board. He's collaborated with her, he's collaborated with Khalid, he's collaborated with Swae Lee, he's collaborated, like so many people, a bunch of country artists, Blake Shelton, all these people. And he just was like, yeah, when the song speaks to me,

like he speaks to me, he has a rap song, he's got pop songs, he's got rock songs. And he's got one of those like rich, soulful country voices. He sang, he sang Georgia by Ray Charles and like bodied it. Very talented man. He's also a new dad and we got to talk to him about fatherhood which was really fun for me. I hope you all really enjoy our interview

with Kane Brown backstage with Kane Brown. It was fun. Anyways, that's momentarily. And we have the wonderful, very charming Rachel Platten with us later this episode as well to talk a little Batch that we're at. Also Rachel has some new music coming out. So that's later this episode.

Speaking of Wes though, he went on a date with Hawk Tuah girl. I did see that. Was it a date? It's for his job. It's for his job, but you know. So I feel like that's a little like rumor spreading. Rumor spreader.

You think Wes is trying to spread a rumor? No, I think everyone is like, oh my God, he went on a date with her. And it's like, was it a date or was it work? It was work. Like you went on a date with Crystal Minkoff. Like what's going on there? You have a good question too.

Ooh. Yeah. Wait, it's spicy. Jealous. I love it. Two married people, let's go. What's going on? I had lunch with Crystal this afternoon.

I did. Scandalous. Exactly. You didn't invite me. So was it work or was it a date? I've had lunch with Crystal three times now. Were there cameras there? No. Cynthia Bailey was also there this Saturday.

Icon of Cynthia Bailey. And I didn't get an invite. You didn't? Would you have wanted to go? I would have gone. I would have taken notes and said nothing the whole time. Anyways, yeah, I had lunch with Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey. Well, actually, Bailey was invited, but she just...

Was I? Not really. Okay. Well, I technically did not say you should come because I assumed you didn't want to. Well, you know, I... Not because you... No, I love them. Love, love, but like, we weren't gonna be talking about anything.

No, it's fine, I'm glad that you passed up on one of Justin and my bucket list opportunities. No, for sure. No, but you were totally obviously given the chance. Well, no, see the thing is, I didn't get the opportunity to pass up on, because he didn't ask. So you were passed? I was passed. Passed on.

I was passed on. This will all be explained shortly. Oh my gosh, cryptic. Justin and Hailey Bieber had their baby. Congratulations. No, congratulations. I, everyone, listen, there were a lot of rumors out there and it was that Hailey, she was having a girl

and she was gonna name her Plum. Because she kept posting like Plum pictures and some girl on TikTok was like, I'm saying it right now, their name and their baby plum. And that's why I hate the internet. Cute name though. Somebody has an opinion,

all of a sudden a couple of people pick it up and they go facts. It's facts, yeah. It's facts. And no, they had a boy and they named him Jack. So like the complete fucking opposite of this girl and Jack Blues. Arguably the most classic men's name.

I saw a meme over the weekend that said, a celebrity naming their child a normal name, we are on the path of healing, or path to healing. That's so true. Truly, yeah. That's crazy. The middle name is kinda spicy though. I love that.

Blues. But it's not that spicy. It's not too spicy, right? It's not too spicy. Obviously we love the music origins, blues. Like it's not that, it It's not too spicy, right? It's not too spicy. Obviously we love the music origins, blues. Like it's not that, it's certainly not hard to pronounce. I just think when it comes to baby names, if you're like thinking about like what to name your baby

and you start workshopping it with people and they're like, what? How do you say it? Pick a new name. Should I cross off Chris and mum off of my baby list? Also imagine you try, but also imagine you trying to teach your child what their name is.

Spelling it in kindergarten? No, but it's just like if it's- You're like your name is Chrysanthemum and they're like. We're going with Chris. Yeah. Right, no, it's just like you're just setting up your kid's whole life for explaining themselves,

getting bullied, picked on, it's just like Jack. Yeah, right easy It's definitely easy. That's a yeah, and he'll get the option So if he's like if he wants to go by Jack great, but if he's like, you know what? Maybe I'm a little older. Maybe I'm feeling like a little more cool. I'm gonna go by blue Oh blue. I'm cool. Lucy Cute that's a cute like baby. You lose it on the complete other end of the spectrum, we have JLo and Ben Affleck officially filed for divorce. Did we see this coming? I mean.

No, I was shocked. Gaps me. Can we Google this? What is the success rate of second marriages to the same person? No, but it's like, that's why you don't go back to your ex. I'm sorry, but like, hello, JLo, babe. He's an ex for a reason.

When you remarry your ex spouse, like what's the success rate of those marriages? It is kind of interesting about Ben Affleck though. I feel like every time he goes through a divorce, it's like, he looks happier with an ex, like in the next photos. Have you noticed that? He was like with Jennifer Gardner this past weekend

and it's just like, he's like smiling and I'm like, we haven't seen you smile in two years. I feel like everyone does it though. They did that with Jennifer Gardner when he was just starting with JLo. They showed a bunch of photos of him sad with Jennifer Gardner. And it's like, I think we've all,

like we've learned that Ben Affleck is, that's what he likes to do. He likes to, I was miserable. Do you think Ben is wanting to get married or do you think he gets in these relationships and his girlfriends, then his then girlfriends are like, we should get married or do you think he gets in these relationships and his girlfriends, his then girlfriends are like, we should get married, or do you think it's mutual? I don't know, but he did just buy

a $20 million horse ranch. I might feel differently, I don't know. I could be wrong, and I hope I never get this opportunity. But if Natalie were to leave my ass. Don't say that. She said shut down. Don't put that in the air, do not put that in the air for you to leave me, don't put that out there.

Well either way, I just don't think I wanna get remarried. Oh't put that in the air. Do not put that in the air for you to leave me. Don't put that out there. Well, either way, I just don't think I want to get remarried. Oh, well duh, of course. Why would you ever think you're remarried? No, wait, let's clarify. I just could never marry anyone else. No, literally. Like if I were to die.

No, but I'm being serious. Try it once, have a couple kids. But what if I died? Would you remarry? No. Would you start dating again? Oh, yeah. Are you serious? No.

I deserve love. You had love with me. I deserve love again? I don't think you do. No? Are you? No. If I'm dead.

No, I'm dead. Well, you're never dying. Oh. Yeah. I think you should. If I die, you should be alone. Okay, fine. If you really want me to. I think you should. If I die, you should be alone. Okay, fine.

If you really want me to. I will say there's not a stat on like same partners for a second marriage, but 67% of second marriages end in divorce. 67%? Yeah. Is the first one still 50? Yeah, so the second percentage is higher than the first marriage. Okay. Yeah.

I just thought, I thought we were past the 50%. Well, I suppose, you know, with those people, like you're going into it with divorce being on the table. Been there, done that, yeah. Yeah. Do it again. Oh, but because you've already been, okay. Yeah, it's like you know it doesn't work.

Like you know we aren't compatible in certain ways. Like why do we think? I think most people, you know, when you get divorced for the first time, there must be some kind of mental hurdle of like, I can't believe I'm getting divorced. I never imagined this for myself. How could we possibly do this?

Especially if you're a first time married couple with a couple of young kids and you're like, we can't do this for the kids. Second marriage, you're like, fuck man, I don't even have fucking kids with you. You know, like, done this before. I got my lawyer on fucking speed, you know what I'm saying? Like so much easier.

There's no mental hurdles of like, maybe there's a like, I can't believe I'm getting divorced again, but like whatever, you know, after the first one. So are we thinking second marriage is death to romance or is that what that's not like to me? There's some good successful second marriages. Yeah, I mean, anything's possible. What breakup song do you think Ben Afleck has on his Instagram profile? He's just in his car just listening to sappy breakup songs? Lana Del Rey. I feel like he's got like Niles Barkley crazy. Does J-Lo have any breakup songs?

Probably. Yeah. He's definitely not listening to J-Lo. Do you think he's listening to Jenny from the Block as like his hype video to get back out there? Definitely not, definitely not. I don't know. Ben doesn't seem like he would take well to like a high maintenance partner.

And yet. Cause he's pretty high maintenance himself. But I feel like, I feel like Jennifer Gardner is not high maintenance. No, not at all. We love her. But you know, no disrespect to JLo. But they didn't work.

JLo seems like, you know. And I'm challenging that by saying that he was with someone who wasn't high maintenance and it also didn't work, so maybe. Cause he was high maintenance, right? So it's like two high maintenance people together is a no-no. Well you think Ben Affleck's high maintenance?

Is he not? I think, yeah, I think he is, you could argue he is. Really? Well the media makes it look like he is. Well, you know. He's always looking a little haggard with his Dunkin' Donuts. I feel like that's not a high maintenance man.

There's all kinds of different high maintenance. It seems like Ben Affleck requires a lot of support and maintenance, you know? Just because he- He told you that? What? He told you? No, I said it seems.

Oh. Just guessing out there. Right, you're just, I mean, it just feels like- Bro, you know that Ben Affleck is the model citizen who has just really gotten a bad beat by the press. Yeah. They do pick on him. They do pick on him.

They do, that makes me sad. You know who else got picked on? You know who'll be picking on other people? No, this is actually a really crazy story. And I don't know if anyone else heard this because this is the first time that I'm hearing of it, but this woman in China, she's shopping in the Louis Vuitton store.

Okay, and- Was it Bethany Frankel? It was not, no. I feel like that would have been the first line in the story. She's like, I'm going to China to see how they treat me over there. It is getting very Bethany Frankel-esque though. But it's kind of iconic. So this woman is shopping at Louis Vuitton in China.

And she's in there and she's shopping around and no one's really giving her like the best attention. They're kind of being rude. You know, I don't have those exact details, but she. Small town is China. Well, there wouldn't be really a Louis Vuitton in a small town. Yeah, it'd be like major cities.

So anyways, so they're like showing her stuff from last season. They're not showing her new arrivals. They're like rolling their eyes at her. They appeared impatient when she asked to see dresses. She called the Louis Vuitton headquarters about the situation after she left the store and she was ignored.

Okay, so she later returned with her assistant and her friend, and she tried on clothes. She told the salesperson like, we're gonna buy these. Handed them $110,000 in cash, made them count it, it took them two hours, and then said, nevermind, took her money and left, after they sat there for two hours and counted all the money.

No, when you're rich, you can afford to be petty. You certainly have the time. Kind of iconic. It is kind of iconic. Right? Should we do that when we go into Louis Vuitton this weekend? Well, they didn't do that to us. It's a of iconic. Right? Should we do that when we go into Louis Vuitton this weekend? Well, they didn't do that to us. It's a birthday joke.

Play on words. So wait for your birthday, we can pretend to buy Louis. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Louis Vuitton would have one of those like you put the cash in and it like counts it They're clearly a something to do with these they must obviously train their employees to be on a little bit of the Standoffish judgmental side. They must be a bit of a business model. It works though, too But that's confusing to me because I feel like any like nice hotel or anything that you go to or like a lot of these Like older like directors and things like that when you see see them out, they're wearing crocs and... What are my favorite things is to go to some kind of fancy hotel or fancy restaurant and be served by a fancy server. And they're very well-spoken and meticulous. And you feel like this is some first- you know, first class, like high society

person and then yes, to see them after their shift is the, it's the greatest change up of all time. It's like, who is this person who was this servant of me talking like an elitist and they're in the back alley, like smoking a cigarette, like playing like craps, you know, like, you know, it's, it's the biggest like fucking like turn up of all time or change up. It's because they make commission, right? So it's like they want to get the one person that's gonna give them the biggest commission. What I was saying though is that I think that the richest people that are staying at these nice places are typically the ones that don't look like they're not decked out and head to toe Louis Vuitton. They're wearing sweatpants that probably do cost $5,000, but they look like they're from Costco. Like you know what I mean? They're wearing Gucci slides

that look like the Adidas slides. I feel like that's also very much the vibe in LA because it's a lot of young, rich, with influencers, with YouTubers, with whatever. And I feel like, yeah, they're not dressing in a suit, a pantsuit to go shopping on Rodeo. Well, and it's like the influencer situation to where it's like them dressing up and head to toe couture.

And it's like, but you live in an apartment. Like, why are you trying to put out this idea of this is what it means to be wealthy when like that is not how wealthy people operate? No. And also you can only wear it one time. So don't buy it. Rent the runway. Nick to tell me this situation is giving pretty woman. And I responded saying, I don't know what she looks like. I go, pretty and I responded saying, I don't know what she looks like. I go, Pretty Woman?

He goes, I don't know. I don't know what she looks like. But I get the reference, I just didn't get it at the moment. Have you seen the movie? Big mistake. No, but I've seen the big mistake scene. Huge. I was told Pretty Woman was not appropriate for me when I was little.

She's a woman of the night. A young child, maybe it's not appropriate. I believe it is rated R, restricted for. I watched that shit all the time when I was seven. Mm-hmm, when I was seven. There you go. I watched it with my mother's favorite. It holds up.

No, for sure. It's a great rom-com. Fantastic movie. I love you like no, for sure. Well, I've seen the clip. I get the whole like huge mistake thing. He's like, I get it, okay? I think you might like love it.

I think you would too. I've seen the clip of her walking out with all the bags. That's pretty iconic. There's also just a great love story. We can recap it next episode. You don't want to watch it? No, I'll watch it. I did see Rush Hour for the first time this weekend.

You said that like five times this morning as if we were supposed to care. Yeah, what is Rush Hour? Before I watched it, everybody was like, you need to watch this. How have you lived 23 years without watching it? I still haven't seen it. Like all of us here or just like people like... People on... Your family? My family, my friends. I still haven't seen it. Like all of us here or just like people like? People on, or your family? My family, my friends.

People on this earth. Okay. Anyways, I thought it was big news. Starring Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker? Yeah. We watched a movie, we were like, we did something we never do, where you just like click the first movie you see.

Or just like watch, yeah, you find something you've never heard of online. What was it? It was a- Memory? It was a... Memory? It was a... Something by Liam Neeson. It was a Liam Neeson 2023 movie, you know, very Taken-esque.

He's an assassin, you know. It was good. But it was like, yeah, it was exactly what you wanted it to be. It was just, I had a little bit of action, good enough acting. To keep you engaged. Keep you engaged and you were satisfied at the end. Good for Liam Easton, 2023. His character ended up doing the right thing

and we love that for him. Speaking of not doing the right thing, we've got Dance Moms, a new era drama. Apparently the dance coach, Gloria Hampton, assigned a student a dance solo inspired by the tragedy based around John Benet Ramsey. Backlash amongst the audience called it disrespectful. Hampton told the 11-year-old student

that she would portray Ramsey in a routine, had her go home, watch documentaries, come up with a backstory to then, what, portray being strangled on stage? So her dance routine is her like, kind of like holding her neck and like acting like she's being strangled. stage? So her dance routine is her like, kind of like holding her neck and like acting like she's being strangled. Terrible.

What? Absolutely distasteful. Nali didn't know who John Benet Ramsey was as of last week because we just got into the Scott Peterson murder trial documentaries that are now on Peacock and Netflix, which by the way, we will be discussing next week on Reaudit Recap Day After Labor Day. For anyone who's not watching this, go ahead and tune in.

There's one on Peacock, there's one on Netflix. We watched both. The one on Peacock gives you more information. Well, you should watch them both. One's from Peterson's family's perspective, right? And then the other one is based off of? Well, one is Peterson's family is involved. That's Peacock.

That's Netflix. No, I'm sorry. It's Peacock. That's Netflix. No I'm sorry. It's Peacock. Lacey. Oh child. Lacey's family is involved in the next Flix one and Scott's family seems to be more involved. Peacock. And Peacock. Watch them both. Anyways we'll discuss them both. Did Scott do it? Very polarizing stuff. Anyways in that conversation I had to explain to Nellie who John Benet-Ram. Well, true story. I did pageants as a child. So this rocked my grandmother's world when this came out, because it was- Dance moms? No.

Oh. The John Benet Ramsey tragedy, because she was a pageant child. Yeah. Anyways, no, it's actually really tragic, because nobody knew what had happened to her. And then it was, did the parents do it? Was it a crazed, obsessed fan from pageants? Really sickening.

So the idea that they would, that this coach would make an 11 year old who has no concept of probably murder, let alone of what happened and make her ingest all of this information and traumatize this child for a dance. In the episode, the dancer, the 11 year old, she was like, wait, she died? Wait, she was strangled? As her mom's like showing her the details and it's like, oh. Yeah, that feels a little icky.

I don't know. I'm honestly shocked that this show got a reboot. Truly. Sorry, sorry, sorry, but like, sorry, Abby Lee Miller, and I know JoJo sticks up for her in the sense that she's like, all dance teachers are like this, which I took ballet when I was like, I don't know,

three, so I don't remember. But the way, I mean, having it documented in the way Abby Lee Miller did speak to these kids, I truly am shocked that this show got a reboot. And then for the reboot to immediately come out with this, it's like, yep, we didn't need that. She's trying to be as problematic as Abby. And like, why? We don't need that.

Switch it up. To children. Exactly. Are people thinking that this is like powerful and like... Well, so that's the thing, because I mean, in the original Dance Moms, they did like a Lizzie Borden, like dance routine, and that was considered kind of powerful at the time. But now this is like, is murder like off the table or is this...

Yes. Yeah. Which I think it should be as well, yeah. Yeah, I think anything, any crime is off the table for sure. For a little kid to be portraying as well. Oh my God, talk about giving a kid unnecessary trauma. A thousand percent. She died, how did she die?

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like, scared the shit out of any kid. New Fear Unlocked. Yeah. Dance Moms was my initial segue into reality TV though. Like that was the first reality TV that I watched from like start to finish with my mom. Same, and like my niece Scarlett, she watches it.

And it's like, you know, I think she watches it because the girls do dances and she like likes to learn the dances. I don't think she watches it because she likes Abby Lee Miller. I think Abby scares her. But yeah, it's also sad for the kids who are watching it. Now they are aware of this story

that should never be aware of. Did you ever see, Sarah, that Abby Lee was trying to get on Beverly Hills Housewives? It was like two seasons ago, she was doing a lot of publicity on her own to try to make it seem like she was joining the cast. No. I think it was like self-promotion is what she was trying to she was like doing a lot of publicity on her own to try to like Make it seem like she was joining the cast Like I think it was like self-promotion is what she was trying to do Is Abby Lee's dance Academy isn't even here. It's still in LA. It is one. Yeah. Oh

Yeah, okay. I didn't know that she lived here. So yeah, no, I didn't know this He's about like Dorit and Abby Lee Miller like I just don't that's the thing. It was Are you wearing on your flight Abby Lee Miller. Like, I just, I don't. That's the thing, it was insane. What pajamas are you wearing on your flight, Abby Lee? I'm in Fendi. It's just like, your accent's fake, nobody likes you. Bottom of the pyramid. Bottom of the pyramid. I mean, Abby Lee would definitely be calling out

some housewives. She would have, if she can talk that way to children. That's what I said, I was like, I could see it for adults, I don't see it for children. Yeah, that's crazy. I did almost go to Kathy Hilton's estate sale this weekend. Like out of nowhere, out of nowhere, she posted, well actually Denise posted it. This is where I saw it. You could buy tickets through Eventbrite to go to her house Saturday and Sunday for $25 for charity. And basically it's her actual house and like all of her like old belongings,, iconic outfits, dinnerware, everything just laying out. And like people- Why was she doing an estate sale?

Just for charity, I think. But then people bought Paris's, allegedly Paris's birthday dress that's iconic with the chains. You could go around and find matching pea suits. I feel like if I'm Paris, I'm pissed. My mom put that in her estate sale. That's what I thought.

And then I was like, maybe it's fake. Or maybe Paris is like, I don't even know what I have. No, Paris, she has a daughter now, right? She probably has other outfits. Yeah, but it's like. I get the impression that Paris Hilton didn't have a lot of repeat outfits. No, exactly.

That's why you would keep your iconic ones to have your daughter wear one day. But it's Paris Hilton. Maybe they're all iconic. Maybe this was just the one she wouldn't wear. That's true, I guess I'm thinking of who was the mom recently who had both of her daughters wear her old iconic red carpet dresses.

They were all together on a red carpet. Lisa Renna. Lisa Renna did this a couple years ago. Jessica Alba. Jessica Alba. Jessica Alba. Thank you. Okay. I'm a little scared.

She had iconic outfits? Well, I don't know if they were iconic, but there was just something that she did where there was photos of her in them on red carpets and then her daughter wearing them on a red carpet. Like it's like a look back. It's pretty cool. I don't know.

Here's a fun one. Did you see that a YouTuber created a fake five star ramen restaurant with cheap instant ramen and people went crazy? And basically what happened was in Sydney, Australia, he named a restaurant, a fake restaurant, Nise Ramen, which translates into fake ramen,

and he started posting videos on TikTok, it went viral, so people started to wanna come, and he only let in people that had a hundred plus thousand followers And then everybody else had to wait outside. It's giving LA Giving LA but basically So the lines were long people were waiting hours to get in and people started like essentially being like I would come again This is like home cooked meals. I would pay $50 per bowl. I'm we're talking like instant broth. And is that cup noodles? We're talking cup noodles. Cup noodles, yes, yes.

Did he add anything to it or? Probably not. No. Probably not. He just put it in like a pretty bowl? They served them in planters. Like what you put your plants in, like a little pot like that, they served them in these little plastic planters.

Hot take, if you are willing to wait in a line, I guess of any kind, certainly for a product, Thanksgiving, next day of Black Friday, whatever. Outside of a club, some new hit restaurant, some sort of trendy dessert place. Like, that's entirely on you. You don't get to complain about, you know,

favors to other people. If you, like, yeah, it just, if you really wanna, if you don't wanna wait in line, get out of the line. Yeah, I agree, because the question is, is this a scam or was it just good marketing? This is where people being, if you're waiting in line like that, you're a sheep. Sheep.

You have sheep mentality, you're just like following the crowd. But we all know that this was fake ramen. We all know. Yeah. But did we all know or do we only know now? We know now, but I am just simply saying, the point is, it's like whether it's the nightclub or you see people standing outside.

It's the word of mouth. Yeah. Yeah, that's like building up. And you need to have it so that you can talk about it with your friends because it's the viral thing, like then shut the fuck up and be in line. Otherwise, I don't care. You don't get to complain about how fast the line moves. That's just my take. I'll shut the fuck up and be in line. Otherwise, I don't care. You don't get to complain about how fast the line moves.

That's just my take. I'll shut the fuck up. It's a little bit of a harsh take. It is harsh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. No, definitely harsh. A little aggressive and harsh, but I do think that people-

Standby. I do think that places like, we'll go, if say we're in New York and we'll go to, I don't know, Dior or something, and they're like, oh, sorry, you need to stand outside. I'm leaving. I know you're only doing this so that it looks so busy that people have to come and get in line.

I know it's a mind game to other people. And we all have to leave. And I'm nine times out of 10 not gonna buy anything. So it's like, I'm not gonna stand here for you to just get more customers. No, that's true. Do you remember the show Mythbusters? Duh.

Okay, so there was an episode where they pulled that experiment where they had just a queue set up in the middle of downtown Old Town Las Vegas, and it was a line to nowhere, but just had the dividers there and people and two paid actors standing in line, and the line would just grow,

and nobody would be like, hey, what are you waiting in line for? We're not really sure. Oh, okay. And would get in line. It's crazy. They've done this like, hey, what are you waiting in line for? We're not really sure, oh, okay. I would get in line. It's crazy. They've done this like, there's a show called Penn and Tellers Bullshit

that was about just- The card guys, right? Yeah, yeah. And they did a whole episode on fine dining. And so they did TV dinners, water from a hose, all this crazy shit, but they presented it in a fine dining experience and all the people were like, oh my God, this is the most amazing meal

and they would talk about all the tastes that they were experiencing on their tongues and it was like a TV fucking dinner. The umami. And it was like water from a hose. You know and it's just like yeah. Cup of noodles. And if you are that person and you want to talk about it,

yeah you're doing it so that you can. Bragg about doing it. I agree with you. You did just make me think of, there's a restaurant in Vegas where there's no lights. Like it's dark in the restaurant, you literally can't see anything, and you sign the waiver being like,

I'll eat whatever high class meal they gave me. And you don't know what you're eating, but they just keep bringing out plates and you just eat it. Nightmare. Nightmare. No. Could be fun though.

I'm worried about textures I need to know. Could be fun. Like, spice it up, just eat something. Different ways of spice it up. Exploration. What if they gave you a sock? Well, they're not gonna give you a sock. But what if they did?

You wouldn't know, it's dark. What if it's a cockroach? I'd be like, oh. You would eat the sock. Would you eat anything? I'd be like, rich people eat this, I'm next. Are you one of those adventurous eaters? I would think so, yeah.

As long as it's not a hot sauce, I can eat it. Okay. Any type of insect? I have eaten a cricket. Ananime. Covered in. Yeah any type of insect I have to you in a cricket and then covered in chocolate any type of anatomy Covered in chocolate is crazy. Yeah, like any type of anatomy of any type of animal. He just ate a cricket Well anatomy is good. I could eat a cricket I don't want to eat a cricket But if like someone was like here's a cricket chomp chomp chomp swallow

No big deal like a pair of sheep balls, different experience. If I was in someone's house and a grandma handed me that, I would take a spoonful and be done. You would? To be respectful. That is admirable of you. That is, I could never. I try everything.

I'll try anything. Oh my gosh, I'm jealous. There's certain things that I will absolutely not do. Connor will eat anything genuinely. I mean, I guess more adventurous, but probably not for most people. I've done chicken hearts and chicken livers. I don't like the livers, but I do like the heart.

I feel like I'm okay. But not good with the brain. Why not, though? I feel like I can leave this earth and be like, you know what, I never had chicken brain, and be like, I think I'm okay. Because if it doesn't save my life or offer some sort of remarkable cure

of some sort of ailment, then yeah, what's the fucking point? It's not good. In my head, I'm like, a whole culture will celebrate this food. I might as well just see what that is. I don't need to be known as the most cultured person. I'll take a little culture. I want to avoid like-

A sprinkle of culture perhaps? I want to avoid claims of ignorance and things like that. You know, enough to be dangerous, be like, but I don't need to be like, oh, I've been this and I've eaten that. Let me tell you about this. The cricket thing is common, is it not? I feel like there are, there's a lot of like

chocolate covered this and chocolate covered that. I think like crickets are the gateway to adventurous eating. Yeah, I'll also sit that one out. On the flip side, did you see that Brittany Cart rebranded Jax's bar to Britt's bar for a day? Yeah, and I see people are up in fucking arms about it. Oh, people are like, this is so disrespectful. This is so fucked up.

Because Jax is dealing with this. It's a kick in the balls to Jax, for sure. Is it? I feel like it's just a fun game. It's not that deep. That's what I thought. I agree. First of all, she's going through a hard time

and her friends set it up, but I'm also kind of like, it's just, it's so interesting to me to watch public opinion just sway so casually. Everybody's like, he's an awful husband, he's a awful dad, da da da da. And then all of a sudden he checks into a facility to get help, which great, but Brittany's friends do something to uplift her spirits

and now she's the asshole. They duct tape a piece of paper to his sign for a day. For a day. Oh! She also said it's just for fun in the caption. It's screaming just for fun, all of it. If she like full on took down Jax's bar and rebranded the entire thing, like for good,

that's fucked up. Pulling out of it. True. Zach posted about it and I screenshot it, hi Zach. He said, for any people that are trying to say shit about when we turned Jax's bar into Britt's bar, the other night, here's my response. I did this, I came up with it, we wanted to make her feel

special for a night when she's going through so much. Her priorities cruise every moment of every day. My priority is to make sure my best friend makes it through this tumultuous time in her life while being fully supported and uplifted. That's what this night was about, so y'all can say what you want, but you know nothing about what is going on,

so please stop bringing Brittany into your hateful comments and direct them towards me, thank you. Right? I mean, listen, I hope Jax Taylor gets the help that he needs. Absolutely. I'm glad that he, well, I hope that, again, and I hate to say, I hope Jax Taylor gets the help that he needs. I'm glad that he, well, I hope that again, and I hate to say, but with Jax Taylor,

we just never, you never know what's real or whatever is sincere. And that's a decade of behavior that has led many people to that conclusion. But we are glad that Jax Taylor seems to me is doing something about it. But to Zach's point, it's just like, you don't really know what's going on in their life.

This is about Brittany, not necessarily Jax. And I don't think Jax is like, gets the benefit of the doubt of like, you know, the world needs to stop because all of a sudden Jax Taylor is going through it or, you know, like he's damaged so many people's lives, including his wives and put her in such a terrible position. On television, threw her under the bus and also painted her to be an alcoholic with a problem.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, that, and a bad mom. To my knowledge, they didn't change the sign of the bar and then FaceTime Jax and send him a video in treatment while trolling him. Like, this wasn't really about Jax. No, it was about Brittany, which I think she deserves to be uplifted. She's had a rough

go at a year. No, it just, it seems like there's always seems to be these things. I just feel like sometimes it's just like people finding anything to be offended by or like where I'm just like you don't even like Jack So why are you coming at Brittany? Like this because they just have to say something right? She's always ridiculous I remember I talked about the tick-tock drama the Halle Sofia I saw a girl post and she was like this is all my for you pages right now and it's influencer after influencer after Influencer saying I usually don't get into drama. I usually never say anything

I'm not one to talk on drama. And then it's like literally every single video on everyone's For You page is like influencers starting at, starting the sentence and talking about drama. And it's like, people just love to- We talk about drama every week. We do? It's all a bit.

We don't deny it. But this is all a bit. This is all a standup comedy show. We do. None of this is serious. None of this is serious. Don't take it serious. Well, speaking of taking it serious, I love how we always say speaking up. None of this is serious. None of this is serious. Don't take it serious. Well, speaking of taking it serious,

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Where in Georgia? Fort Oglethorpe, Georgia. Okay, I'm from Savannah. Okay, you're like eight hours from my home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool, awesome. We have a six month old daughter. Congratulations.

Thank you. Congratulations to you. Thank you. You just had a new baby, didn't you? Yeah, two, two months old, three months old. Wow. Congratulations, that's amazing. Thank you. What just had a new baby. Didn't you? Yeah, two two months old three months. Wow What has it been like to I guess be a girl dad in the beginning we're starting out with a girl dad every year So what's it like? Oh, it was terrifying at the beginning. Yeah Yeah, you know, it's girls verse guys

Like being a first dad was there was there like oh, I kind of want to get the Sun out of the way and then you Had there I feel like every guy kind of want to get the son out of the way and then you Had there yeah, I feel like every guy was son. I did want a son and then but I will say once I have my daughter Kingsley is all changed Consume my life without same experience. I had said to Natalie like after we had River I was like, I know I wanted a boy, but I couldn't imagine having anything other than River and so it's such a great Great experience. What's like the most meaningful thing to you about being a dad? I was talking about this other day.

I can't, I'm really excited for, or to see where they go in life. But I was also, I'm really excited just to give them a life that I never had. And just to be a role model to them. It's like the best thing. They look up to me and I love every minute of it. Yeah.

And I get to relive my childhood through them. That is the best part. It's so fun. Playing hide and seek again, playing tag, doing whatever. Show them like the shows that you watched growing up. I try. They're like, they're just, they're like, they do like the old Tarzan.

That's the one I have got them to watch. Yeah. You have collaborated with so many artists. I feel like you are all over the board with your range. Has there been someone that maybe you is like a dream collab or have you already reached that? Not really. For me, it's like the songs have to make sense.

So if I do a song, it'll just hit me. I'll be like, hey, I could do your so and so on this song. And then we'll reach out. And they either say yes or no. That's awesome. My favorite collab for you is the they either say yes or no. That's awesome. My favorite collab for you is the one you have with your wife. Oh, yeah. Like, you know, Natalie, when we got together,

I had this show and then she kind of came on. And I'm a big believer that like couples who play together stay together because you kind of stay more connected. Like, what was that experience like? I mean, your wife has a beautiful voice. Like, do you plan on doing more collabs with her? And does that help you guys stay like closer together as you work together?

Yeah, we have two new songs on my new album coming out. One's like country and one's a super pop. So it's really, I'm really excited about both of them. And yeah, it's awesome to work with her because you have somebody, like I've done features with other girls, but like you can't, especially me me being married like I can't act like I'm in love with this girl for sure my wife is easy that's great yeah so it's just

uh there's a connection on there that's not having to be faked and I think that's uh what made that song so big for us not only her beautiful voice but just a connection and people can really tell did you always know she could sing um yeah so when she first came in um first came in when she first got to Nashville, we knew each other through the same producer. So she used to be managed by Johnny Wright, which is like, yeah, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, all of them. That's crazy.

Manager. Wow. That's incredible. I've done, you know, since being a new dad, I love it. I've embraced it, but I've had some kind of like dumb dad moments. Like when I first found out I was going to be a dad, I was going to be a new dad. I love it. I've embraced it, but I've had some kind of like dumb dad moments. Like we've, when I first found out I was going to be a dad, I was going to be a girl dad. We went to this baby store and I picked out like this outfit that like Natalie gave me some shit about because it was like apparently for a little boy. It looks like a grandpa. Yeah. I was like,

and I was wondering if you had any kind of like bonehead, you know, like I can't believe I, like I thought this as you, you know know being a dad for the first time and you kind of like laughed at yourself or your wife gave you a hard time. No, so I will say for me, so my family I'm not but my wife and my girls and my son's going to be, they're all healthy eaters. Okay. And my daughters have allergies so they're gluten and dairy free and I will tell you like when I try to, if I come off the road and I try to give one of my kids a snack

and then you have a four year old telling you these aren't gluten, dairy free. You feel like I'm so dumb. I'm like, I'm so sorry. So that's probably the dumbest. It really humbles you when your kids check you, I imagine. What's been the most fun stage as your like, as, as my daughter gets older, like I'm trying to enjoy every moment, but, you know, there's kind of different stages. River's still pretty young, but other stages you've enjoyed more than others.

And what do I have to look forward to? No, because right now I'm at a stage where every like this is your only baby. Yeah, it's our first. Yeah. So you'll you'll get to just see them change and their personality. I'm sure she's already smiling and laughing and stuff. Those were like my favorite. And then whenever she starts walking and you can chase her and then she really starts laughing.

Like it's just, it keeps getting better. And then now Kingsley's four. She's very mature for age, about to be five. So I can't wait to see that maturity level change. And they're super funny too. Like my middle one, she's Cody. She's a comedian. about to be five, so I can't wait to see that maturity level change. And they're super funny too. My middle one, Cody, she's a comedian. Is she?

Where did she get that from? You or Caitlin? I think it's just to be in the middle child. Oh yeah. The other day they were telling me a story. I hadn't been home in 12 days. It was supposed to be like movie nap time where they just have to chill out for like an hour, two hours.

And Kingsley, my oldest, started pitching a fit. And Cody, she comes out of the room and she goes, Sissy, we just talked about this. She's only two. She's like, we just talked about this. And she rolled her eyes. She's like annoyed with her already. That's crazy.

Well, we have this game for you. We want to play with you. Last question before we play it though, do you have any like pre-show rituals that like you always do before you go on stage that like just kind of keeps you ready and focused for the show? He's just jam music, play Xbox, beating my friends.

What's your game on Xbox? Xbox probably 2K or football. Okay. And then water pong. What's your team on football? Football, like college. Yeah, what, either or. the the work on the field the football and college the door to a new Can I pick a fun one? Pick whatever you want. Okay great. What movie are you most excited to show your kids when they're older?

I can't wait to watch horror movies with my kids. Stop. Do you think they'll like it or do you think they'll be scared? Well we already play like monsters and stuff and they run and I will say my middle child she does get a little scared but I think my oldest a little. I feel like for me like old comedies they used to love, like what about Bob or Dumber Dumber that I grew up on? I wanna see if like, they'll like the stuff

that I have about. How much money do you give your kids for the Tooth Fairy? Does the Tooth Fairy give your kids? Well, that would be my wife's question. My wife is the Tooth Fairy. But I used to get like 10 bucks. Yeah. That's what I'd put.

That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I remember remember my cousin she got an alarm clock and we're always like Would you rather take your family on a camping trip or to Disney World? So I've always talked about going camping because I grew up camping all the time with my mom pop Yeah, we'd always go to the KOA campsite. I remember our car catching on fire there. All kinds of things. Yeah, a lot of memories. But we go to Disney World, like every year for my oldest daughter's birthday.

I think I'm gonna go camping just because I think you can teach your kids. You also hate these hicks. I hate amusement parks. Like I don't wanna wait in line or whatever. So I think I'm gonna get someone else to take my kids to the amusement parks. I don't know.

There's so much fun though, man. Especially my oldest, she's just now where she can ride roller coasters. Her face on a roller coaster for the first time, she couldn't stop laughing. That's a question I have for you. What have, as your kids have gotten older, have there been things like, for me,

I'm not an amusement park fan, but have your kids shown you something that you've really enjoyed now that your kids have gotten older, they've enjoyed it, and you've been surprised that you've gotten into it because of your kids shown you something that you've really enjoyed now that your kids have gotten older, they've enjoyed it, and you've been surprised that you've gotten into it because of your kids? Not yet. So I did go to my daughter's dance recital, which I thought was actually kind of awesome.

I didn't want to go, I've never been in, I mean, I like danced on MySpace. Like, you know, so Zoboi came out. Okay, okay. I'm on MySpace, yeah, rank your your friends like I'm mad at you this weekend. But I went to her recital and it was the cutest thing and I was like, I could do this. And then my wife was big in gymnastics. And so that's what Kingsley is in.

And she's acting like she loves that. But yeah, she's acting like she likes it. I'm waiting to see what other sports she wants to play though. Okay. What did you play? Did you play any when you grew up? Football, basketball, baseball, and I ran track. Oh yeah.

What events and track? I just did the relay. Okay, the relay. He was the state champion in Wisconsin for track. Oh nice. She embarrasses me every time she says that. I didn't peak in high school. Kane, I know you have to get going,

but we really appreciate your time. Excited for the show. It's been such an honor interviewing you. Like I said, you got me into country music. Oh, thanks, man. I really appreciate it. Love your music, and can't wait to see the show tonight. Yes, sir.

All right. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming. So much fun. No, that was so much fun. Honestly, that was crazy for me. I've been a fan of Kane for a really long time, so that was really cool to sit and chat with him.

He came in very cool, very intimidating, very rock star-ish, warmed up real quick. Yeah. And then when we were done after the show, we were talking like friends for a good two minutes before we said goodbye. As if maybe we'll hang out someday. Or not, I don't know.

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and said what? She said, mommy, I'm not tired at all. I was like, oh my God. What do you do? You have to go back to bed. Do you just like get up and play or do you? Can I be completely honest? My husband takes care of it.

That's great, that's what I have to do in the middle of the night. It's a dad thing. It's like, I don't know, he's just better getting back to sleep. Rachel, we did enough. We've done enough. Truly. I'm still exhausted from the nine months, from the labor and delivery.

100%. Come on, get up in the middle of the night. Yeah, Kevin does it all. I mean, in the middle of the night. That's all his territory. So me pretending that I arrived here tired because of that is a lie. It So me pretending that I arrived here tired because of that is a lie.

It's a lie, I went right back to sleep. That's literally me. I'll be like, oh my God, I remember I did not sleep at all last night. Nick was with her the whole time. I'm like, oh, I just did not sleep. I mean, I was woken up, surely. No, I heard her on the monitor and I wasn't like-

That wasn't lovely. I wasn't like at a hotel spa. Exactly. You're heroes, you guys are heroes, honestly. Thank you so much. Thank you moms, you guys do so much. Thank you. They really do. How have you been?

I mean, it's such a loaded question. I think I'm amazing right now, I feel incredible. I haven't been great leading up to this, but now I feel like I've come through a really hard time and I'm better than ever. So it's kind of like a question. Do you wanna talk about? No, I mean no, I wanna talk about TV.

That's not a way, but I just wanna, we can. But I was deeply depressed. We can get you on the couch. How does that make you feel? Yeah, I'm really good now. How did you work, we don't have to get into it, but what was one or two things that really helped kind of get you through the darker times?

Well, thank you for asking. Mainly your essential oils. Hell yeah. I actually really like your essential oils. But no, you know, I had an amazing therapist. I have an amazing therapist. Yep. Like rest in peace.

She was woken up last night. Yeah. I have an amazing therapist. I have an amazing therapist. I have an amazing team. I started to just look at all the stuff that we keep down that was coming up in therapy and coming up through chronic pain and coming up through anxiety and all the different ways my nervous system was trying to alert me that the bottled up stuff wasn't good. I looked at it and I uncovered it

and I had medication helped me. I was resistant to that and just an SSRI. And then I have incredible friends and my husband. And then honestly, the biggest thing that got me through it was songwriting and I made this album. Congratulations by the way. Thank you, I'm sure we'll talk about it.

But I- We're going to talk about it? We don't have to. Let's talk about it. Out September 3rd. Out September 3 about it? We don't have to. Let's talk about it. Out September 3rd. Out September 3rd. I am Rachel Platton. That's exactly right, Nick.

Absolutely, what a great name, though. Thank you. It is, it's powerful. It's like, I am Rachel Platton. Yes, yes, not only, that's it. You know, the reason I titled it that is because I feel like the world knew one side of me. They knew Fight Song and Stand By You and Better Place, a lot of these empowering sweet

songs. High energy. High energy, yeah. And after I became a mom, somewhere around turning 40, becoming a mom, suffering through a really deep postpartum depression and then the pandemic, I just started to kind of give a lot less Fs and also had to face a lot of stuff and darkness. And throughout making this record, I kind of found myself again.

I found myself, I found all of me. I integrated the dark and the light. And it's not just empowerment. There is empowerment on the record, but there's also truth about what we go through as women, as moms and humans. And I wanted to properly introduce myself to the world. So that's why it's titled that.

Feelings, can you expect to feel listening to your new album? Oh, you know, I think that I have a little tagline that I am working with, playing with, that I might put on merch at some point, but it's permission to feel. Because it's really just taking a mask off and saying, hey, I'm human.

And these are the range of human emotions that all of us feel, and I'm not pretending. And these are really raw journal entries, a lot of them. One of them is called Bad Thoughts, and I have a breathing meditation, and that was originally titled, Listen to This If You're Having a Panic Attack. Because I suffered with those, and I was thinking, man, I would love to This If You're Having a Panic Attack. Wow. Because I suffered with those and I was thinking,

man, I would love to have breath work woven into a pop song in some way. That's sick. So there's like a box breath that helps you in that song and then there's a song called Mercy when I was in my studio and throwing myself on the ground, like crying out to God that I didn't know if God was there. Are you there?

This is horrible, help me. So there's Mercy and then there's also a song called Set Me Free, which is this freedom I found after surrendering and falling and kind of like the hero's journey after just really having been through the ringer and being like, there's nothing else that can hurt me in this way. You know, I'm so strong now. I think also his mom's and dad's, you know, we feel that a little bit. Like, man, we have a kid now.

None of the stuff we thought matters, matters as much anymore. It is crazy. And so there's that feeling of elation and freedom. And then there's pain that I'm addressing. And then there's just good old fashioned bops. Like some love songs that I wrote to my husband. But it still has a Rachel Platten like empowered flavor.

It's just me addressing all of the demons in my closet and then arriving back at the empowerment. So it's a lot more integrated, I think. Do you feel relieved almost in a way that the people who get to listen to this album will have a more kind of 360 understanding of who you are as opposed to like... Yeah, great question.

No one's asked me that. Hey, it's Rachel Platten, like fight, fight! You know, like... Your mouth got so close to the mic. And you took a bite. Yeah. But yeah, like you're feeling like a little bit more freeing and understood and as opposed to, you know, I think sometimes however you first kind of arrive on the scene as a public figure, Like sometimes, however you first kind of arrive on the scene as a public figure,

you get very much kind of frozen in time or cemented into that kind of persona, which is both a blessing and a curse at times. Oh, you're always grateful for connecting with fans, especially ones who do connect with whatever you're bringing to the table. But I think over time, it can almost feel like you're, there's more to me or they get siloed into this

and you feel like you always have to explain not maybe wanting to live up to that expectation that people might have of you. Wow, yeah. I remember why we had so much fun last time because you were so deep and you're so emotionally intelligent too. Still got it.

Yeah, dude. Woo! Natalie, look at that guy. No, it's great. No, but that's it. That's exactly it. She's like, shut the fuck up, dude. Ask me something like, yeah, just my hair. Yeah, thank you.

It looks great. It just needed a dish. Um, who doesn't? But, you know, like, I think that you're right. I think you're right. No one's actually asked me that. And I haven't thought about that myself. And that is completely true.

It is relief. What a brilliant way to say it. It feels like that's why I'm so excited for the music to come out. I kind of feel like love it or hate it, at least you're gonna know me and all of me. I just got chills. I think you're gonna love it.

I mean, I love it more than anything and people have reacted really incredibly strongly and also like connected deeply and emotionally with it. But whether they do or not, it's really not up to me. I'm just so proud of myself for bringing forth what was, you know, I channeled and what I needed and songs that I needed to heal myself. And so whether people like it or not, that's just gravy.

Cause the songs already really saved my life. So it's a really empowering way to go into an album release. I've never gone into like putting something out in the world like this before. I've always felt much more needing the approval and scared that people won't like it and like terrified almost a feeling of so strange because it's like my music's strong but then I come out with it and just deeply want the approval even though I'm you know standing in the world as someone who

doesn't need it. That feeling of like, I just don't give a fuck. Oh, you can say fuck! Oh my gosh, yes. It's like so... That's exactly it. That's, I feel like such a rare feeling that not a lot of people get to experience, but when you do, it's like one of the best feelings.

It's like, I don't give a fuck what any of y'all think. I don't care! Like, I've got my husband, I've got my kids, like, I'm good! Yes, exactly! Yes. I think that, good for you that you, do you already feel it got my kids, like I'm good. Yes, exactly. I think that good for you that you, do you already feel it?

Oh yeah, yeah I do. Wow, you are young to feel that way. Yeah, I feel that way. Sister, come here, that is amazing. We missed. Who cares? Who cares? We don't care if we missed.

You know what, honestly, it feels like something you have to earn after being through some shit. Yeah, yeah. And, or maybe you're born with it and that's incredible, but I wasn't. No, I learned it. I had to go through, I had to, I had to trudge through, through some deep dark mud and got out.

I'm gonna make my school of not giving a fuck. Yep. And it's really good. And I joined the school, of course. It's a good school. It's a good school. It's a good school, I would recommend it. And then you can kind of look at people that are hurting

or going through something and maybe anyone listening, like, you know, can kind of look at people that are hurting or going through something and maybe anyone listening can kind of remember you guys. This is how we arrive at the place of embodying our real power. Yeah. You know, like it's only through dark that you get to see the light. As corny as that sounds, it's true.

It is true. And like coming out and being like, I survived all of that. Nothing can touch me. Like, no, I had all of that. Nothing could touch me. Nothing. No, I had nights where I was writing those songs where I really was just in so much pain and so confused about, was anyone there?

I felt all alone, I felt so scared, even surrounded by love. So now, to have found all those answers inside, like realizing I don't need to go outside anymore for approval, for attention, for answers. I have it in me. And I'm so proud to teach my daughters that. It had to be this way, you know? Someone was asking me like, would you change anything? Because it was so much pain. And I was like, no.

When you were going through the darkest of times, was there anything that your husband did that you were like extremely grateful for that other people's partners can do if they're kind of going through the same thing? That's such a good question. He is amazing. Kevin is just the best. Shout out Kevin. He's running our record label.

Go Kev. Shout out Kev. You guys would love Kev. We'd love to be your older mentors. Wait, can we get the kids together? Yes. Okay, great. All your kids?

Definitely. They're two and five. But they love babies. Don't count. Okay, great. Definitely. They're two and five, but they love babies. Don't count us out. Don't. We are in the friend. We are in the friends, parent, parent friends. We'll see how it goes to be honest.

I like unpodcast. You will see how it goes for us. No, no, no, for me. Like, because what give a fuck. No, I firmly want to be your friend. I'm saying I like just did a podcast with an adorable, famous lady, and she was like, oh, my God, let's let's be friends. And I was like, oh, we're going to be friends. This is the best thing ever. And then we exchanged numbers and nothing happened.

So I understand there's like magic and love and podcasts. So I would love to I would love to hang with you guys. OK, great. Anywhere husband. Okay, great, we'd love to hang with you too. Anywhere, husband. Okay, my husband is the best, he's the coolest, and he is a rock, he's just incredibly grounded. He is something that he did that other partners can do. He gave me space to heal, you know? He didn't need me to be better,

and I honestly think that was the best thing he could do. What's the best birthday present he's ever given you? Nick needs notes because my birthday is Saturday. Oh my God, what day is that? 31st. Do you know that my 101 year old neighbor is also the 31st? Her name's Gloria.

Okay, iconic. Yeah, no, she is iconic to 101 years old. You probably will. Everyone born on August 31st. Incredible. Is gonna live to 100. Are you a probably will. Everyone born on August 31st. Incredible. Is gonna live to 100. Are you a Virgo? I am.

Love Virgos. My daughter Sophie's a Virgo. All my best friends are Virgos. Sierra's birthday is the day after now. Yes. A bunch of Virgos. A bunch of Virgos. I'm my next child.

I'm planning it. They are gonna be a Virgo. It's literally the best sign for women. I'm not that. I'm a way less organized sign. You're giving Virgo energy. Are you organized if you're a Libra? Libra. You're a Libra?

Are you thinking about yourself? Are you a Libra? Thinking about me. I'm always thinking about me too. I'm thinking about myself. Yeah, that's how we got along too. Because we were both like back to me, and you were like, well, actually back to me.

Because actually the sign on the mic. We'll do you first, then me. Right. And I'm like, but you're interviewing me. Yeah. What sign are you? I'm a Taurus. Okay, I know nothing about that. Grounded, earthy, we like beautiful things.

We like to indulge, who cares, whatever. You're like, are you a stripper? I only ask people and then when they say burger, I'm like, oh my God, yay. Am I getting in trouble for saying that? Oh shit, okay. We say so many. Oh thank God.

Wait, this is just a comedy bit. Like I said earlier, this is just a bit. None of this is real. Ugh, love it. Besides your album, I am Rachel Platt. Yeah, that's very real. That's comedy, to be honest. It's hilarious.

Everything I went through is hilarious. What did my husband, birthday? Okay, okay, birthday, birthday, birthday. He's the best gift giver, let me thank. birthday? Okay, birthday, birthday, birthday. He's the best gift giver. Let me thank. Okay, chill, chill, chill. Chill, chill. Just chill out.

I'm gonna help you. On Friday night, Nick's gonna say, what do you wanna do? And I'm gonna have to come up with a plan. That's what I do to Kevin. Can I tell you something? He got so mad at me on Father's Day. Because, okay, you guys.

I wanna- Thank you so much for asking. Absolutely fucking nothing He got me concert tickets to an artist that I love front row It was Elton John It was so cool, but can I tell you something? You hated it. I didn't go Because I was extremely depressed. I was just that depressed, which is hilarious now.

But I was like, you know when you're so depressed, you're like, I just don't think I can get out of the house. And that was where I was at. And Kevin was like- And Kevin was out in John, first room. Yeah, he was just like, are you sure? And I was like, well, it's gonna be pretty cold out. And he was like, that is not a reason not to go to a concert.

But it felt like a reason. In LA? Yeah. It was in November. It was cold. You had to wear a jacket. You had to wear a jacket. I was like, there's gonna be too many people.

I'm feeling really anxious. It was right during the pandemic, like towards the end. And I was extremely, I wasn't doing too well. That's it. I haven't given you a present since. Okay. Yes. Okay. Let me think of another present that you can do.

Let's see. Let's see. He took me to Rosewood, amazing Montecito. Yeah. You know, the hotel and like. I'm gonna say, you know what? Let's just move on. Spawd me.

Why did you not? Because Nick's not gonna do any of that. Why Nick? Nick's not gonna do any of that. No, you don't have to for her birthday. I'm saying like, a gift certificate. I can't give you a gift certificate. A future plan.

A future plan. Hotel room, you sit whenever you'd like. Yeah, thanks. Here's a coupon for a massage. He did send me to Calamigos once too. I'm like at all the spas. That's where I'm going. It's Calamigos Rand.

It's my favorite. I've been dying to go there. It's my favorite. You're gonna love it. It's my favorite. Can I get some credit? Calamigos, I'm asking at all the spas. That's where I'm going. It's Calamigos Ranch. It's my favorite. I've been dying to go there. It's my favorite. You're gonna love it. It's my favorite. Can I get some credit? Calamigos, I'm asking you because you're about to be blasted into all of this.

That's where we're going there this year. That's my favorite spot that I ever go to. I was thinking about doing this. Shut the fuck up. I know you do. For yourself. No, with you. I would take her.

It's so close, 45 minute drive. They're pet friendly. Pet friendly. Do you guys have a pet? We have two dogs. Oh my God. Yeah. And a daughter. Yeah, right. Nick decided to get the second dog

as I was like eight months pregnant. Good for you. That's wild. Isn't that crazy? Well jealous Jeff needed a playmate. That's crazy. Does he feel happier now, your dog? He's less jealous.

Yeah, it's definitely just a lot more work for sure. Oh my God. Which I do. No, yeah, Nick does. Nick does take care of the dogs also. He does. Well, Steve is just bad. He's just a second dog and he's naughty

and he chews up and tears up quite literally. And that's who you brought into the home for Natalie and she was about to give birth to Nick. Yesterday. So don't get her a dog for her birthday, Steve, we have River's little like, well, we have our nursery. Natalie did an amazing job with that. Very wong shui, very nice, very, very demure. Um, we love it.

And Steve, you know, sometimes River's toys look a lot like the dog toys. That's fair. Yeah. It's confusing for a dog. No, this motherfucker knew. He snatched River's toy, runs out, and it was so quickly that now I was like, wait, did he grab one of River's toys?

And I said, Steve! And I'm yelling, so Steve comes back toyless. And I did the very thing that you have to do because Steve likes to eat a lot of things. I had to kind of pry open his mouth Steve comes back, toyless. And I did the very thing that you have to do because Steve likes to eat a lot of things. I had to pry open his mouth and dig in there to see if there was anything in there. Nothing was in there.

So I let him, I'm like, oh no, he's fine, didn't take anything. Immediately runs away real fast. Not like gently bounces away, runs away. I'm like, this motherfucker. He has somewhere to be. Yeah, he has somewhere to be. He's gotta get back to something. He took the toy, I called his name,

he dropped the toy, came here to be like, I don't got anything. I searched this motherfucker's mouth, then left, took said toy back outside, and just nibbled on it. He's that bad. Naughty. And smart.

No, what's even worse is Nick was sitting in the nursery with River, and he had a binky in his mouth and I was like, drop it. And he just was looking at me and so I'm like walking towards him and he loves the game. So he's running and I'm chasing him. And we're just running around the house. With the baby's binky. And I'm like, drop it, drop it, sit, sit.

And he's not, he's running. And then we like keep running past the nursery. I'm beating River. I'm like, what is going on out there? She's like, stir! You guys! This is so bad. This is so chaotic.

Yeah, so that's our house if you ever want to come over. I don't. Okay, perfect. My daughter Violet, she's scared of dogs, even though we have a dog, but I understand why she's scared of dogs. My dog barks so loudly. He's like our dog.

So when anyone comes over, he's just like, and she literally, if she hears the doorbell, you guys, it's like actually really sad. Whenever she hears a doorbell, she immediately covers her ears. Cause she thinks the dog's gonna bark. And I'm like, I've like Pavlovian trained her to. I know.

Do you do that too? Anytime your child does something for the first time. Oh yeah. I mean, I think they're. You know, you know what's so funny? As they get older, you stop thinking that they're a genius? You know what's so funny, as they get older, you stop thinking that they're a genius, but when they're younger, everyone's like,

I think my baby might be the most special baby that's ever lived. I think my baby's doing everything early. She's doing things almost, yeah. She's 97 months, she pulled herself up, she's like standing. It's really sweet, every parent. How does she do that?

How does she figure that out? Every parent is doing the same thing. No one's taught her how to do this. It's really sweet. We're all saying the same thing. Every parent, yeah. It's really cute though. But I mean, honestly, maybe your baby is special.

You two are special. Why wouldn't she be special? Maybe she'll be an Olympian. Honestly, upstanding. Upstanding. Maybe there's an event. There will be. There was a break dancing event.

Maybe they'll be like, pull yourself up. Honestly? It's a lot of drunk people. Just pick yourself back up. And everyone's listening to I Am Rachel Platten before they do it. And they're like, I can do it. It's like, had a bad day Olympics. Like,. Just pick yourself back up. And everyone's listening to I Am Rachel Platten before they do it. And they're like, I can do it. It's like, had a bad day Olympics.

Like, can you pick yourself back up? Yeah. Love, love that. That's kind of really sweet. That's actually adorable. Maybe it's like, what if mental health was a category? And it was like, all right, we're gonna make you really sad

and then get yourself back to a good state. There probably will be someday. It'll be- It's a really internal event. You know, we are just sitting there. What has been your favorite thing that your kids have done that is something we can look forward to?

Oh my God. When they start to talk and have real thoughts, it's incredible. That's what I was saying. What was their first words? Oh, I don't remember. I think it was dada. It's always dada.

It's just a bunch of bullshit. I had a dream that Mama said river for her first word to me without Nellie's presence. You had a dream that mom said river to you? Being there, and I cried. I actually don't know if I followed that. Can you say that one more time? It sounds beautiful.

I wanna follow you. I had a dream that river's first word was mama. Thank you. In my presence without Nellie being there. And it made me cry in my sleep. That's so sweet. He's very emotional. I know, he's lovely.

He is. He's very in tune. He's lovely. He is. But I said that I had that same shream. Have you ever seen that Saturday Night Live where the women are like, mmm, delicious dish?

Mmm. Do you remember that? Yes. I'm like, ooh, look at him, he's a cutie. Oh, that's another skit. They're like, look at him, he's a cutie. Oh, that's another skit. They're like, look at him, oh, he's adorable. No, I need that support. Because most of our, I think most of our day-to-day

is me doing something and then Nellie will look at me and I go, ick? She's like, yeah. I'm like, okay. Oh, what do you mean ick? Is that like your grossed out? You've never heard of icks? Yeah, but I'm pretty old.

Oh, sometimes Nick will say like, ooh, delicioso. And I'm like, oh my God. Oh, that's horrible. That's really bad. Okay, I now understand ick. Thank like, ooh, delicioso. And I'm like, oh my god. Oh, that's horrible. That's really bad. OK, I now understand it. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.

Or like I'll hop or skip or do something like demure or dainty. And she's like, ick. And I'm like, oh no, I like that. Yeah. Oh, that's funny. Kevin does like, we used to watch Naked and Afraid. Love. Like, this is like years ago when it first came out,

10 years ago. And Kevin, I would make him, when he got out of the shower, I'd make him keep his towel off and like do naked and afraid moves. Like, it's so funny. I love how you said make him. Build a fire. I would be like, cause it's so funny

with his like balls dangling, just like moving around the house. Can you guys imagine me like climbing a rope naked, you know, as a man? It's so funny. Honestly, who invented that show and are they okay? I don't know. Like Let's put a bunch of naked people in like the woods and have them survive. What about the one seriously? They're

like they couldn't even give them a fucking underwear. No. They're ding-dongs. That's crazy. They're like use a leaf. Oh my god, what about naked and afraid and dating? Oh, I guess the fray is not part of it. Naked and afraid of dating. Naked and they're afraid of dating. Relatable. Yeah. Dad, okay. Anyways, good stuff. Moms are awesome.

Hell yeah. So we get, yeah, I'm excited to listen to her talk. I wonder what her voice was on that. Nothing, I just was, I felt like I was going on tantrums. I was pointing at you to say, I'm sorry that I've talked so much. Oh my God, you're the guest. Okay. We love a talkative guest.

Ugh, love a guest. We hate a yes. A demure guest, yeah. No. Yeah. I know, that's hard. It is hard. Who's been the worst guest?

Ooh. I'm kidding, okay. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Who's been the best guest? Rachel Platten, for sure. So obviously. Wait. Editors, clip that.

Wait, actually, I think that might be true. Oh! Wait, actually though, yeah, I think that might be true. Oh! Wait, actually though, yeah, I think that might be true. This is the best I've been through. Right? It's kind of, that's a great accomplishment. I love this podcast, I'm so excited. We're like that band, it was like,

you guys have been the best crowd in Detroit! Yes! And like the loudest. And Detroit believes it. They do. I'm Detroit. They're like the loudest. And Detroit believes it. They do. I'm Detroit. They're like, no, we really, we say this to everyone,

but you guys really are the best. I do that on stage. I just did that at a city that I won't say the name of. That's okay. Actually, it felt true in that moment. But in that moment. In the moment, it was true. In the moment, yeah.

It was true. In this moment, I truly not imagine a better guess. My husband says that we have something in my family called platen recency bias because like all my whole family does it. My dad will be, my husband will give my dad a glass of wine and my dad is a world traveler and a very fancy guy and he's like, this is the best wine I've ever had. And Kevin's like, Paul, that cannot be true. It was $40, you have been all over the world.

Like, no, it's not. And he says it sincerely? Yes. And he's like, no, it's incredible. This really is the best. I'm your husband. I'm like, no. Kevin's like, oh, Paul, no.

No, it's not. He calls your dad Paul? Yeah. What should he call him? Dad, I don't know. Dad? I called Nally's mom mom like a couple times just to try it on.

You did? Yeah. That's really sweet. Like couple times just to try it on. You did? Yeah. That's really sweet. Like to her face? I think so. What'd she say? Nothing. Oh.

She like answered. Yeah. Oh, great. Could you imagine? She's like, what did you just call me? I'm not your mother. I call Kevin's mom mama. Do you?

Yeah, we're close, but Kevin does not call my parents mom and dad. I feel like the dad, like you calling my dad dad might. I tried it on, it was like a little weird. You didn't like it? I went back to Lisa. It's sweet, it's sweet in theory.

Yeah. I like that you call her dad dad. Yeah. It's nice. Her dad? No. Oh, her dad doesn't like, oh. He would never. I'm so pleased. My mom, he would call my mom. Oh, but I thought you just said that I call,

but I also call her dad dad. You do not call her dad dad. That would be, yeah. I don't even really called my mom mom. Oh, but I thought you just said that I call, but I also call her dad dad. You do not call her dad dad. That would be, yeah. I don't even really call my dad dad. And only because he calls my daughter Rosie. Yeah, stubbornly. And I'm like, that's not her name. Her name is River.

And he's like, I don't think River Rose goes together. And I'm like, okay, well, perfect. No, he's one more Rosie away from me calling him. Ooh, this got aggressive. Oh shit. Yeah, no, I understand. You named your daughter for a reason. Yes.

And nicknames are fine and sweet. They're cute. Like pumpkin. Yeah, and like Rosie, if like it was like, oh, but you're doing it because you don't like the name River. Oh, that's not okay. Are you sure he doesn't like the name River? Well, at the baby shower, he was like, so what's the name?

And I was like, River Rose, it's like on the cake and everything. And he was like, I just, you know. Okay, you're absolutely sure. I don't think that goes together. And I was like, well, what do you think goes with that? And he was like, she's named after my grandmother. And he was like, well, Bessie Rose.

And I was like, I can't name my daughter Bessie. She's not a cow. Like what? Oh my Lord. And he was like, well, you know, I don't have any other suggestions. And I'm like, well, perfect. She's like, I'm just gonna call her Rosie.

I'm like, all right. Oh, so yeah, you know the origin. I get that. That makes sense. So that's frustrating. So I'm gonna start just calling him names that I wanna call him, that I think sound nicer than his.

Okay, I love that for you. Like what are you gonna try? Okay, yeah, let's avoid this topic anymore Yeah, this is getting a little high. Well, hey dad So you made me watch TV and made you She's like we're not not not talking about this. You made me fucking watch. Before we get to Bachelorette, did you watch any Love Island? Yeah. The USA one.

No. Can I tell you what happened? I couldn't find, I know this is so embarrassing. I couldn't find it. Like I found the third season, or the start, I found the first season on Netflix. I didn't do a great job. Like did you, but did you look for it or did you just like- I didn't look a great job. Like, did you, but did you look for it or did you just like? I didn't look hard.

Okay. What happened was one day I was sitting there and I was like, I think I'm supposed to watch this. It's not that I don't watch TV, I do. But Kevin is very judgy about what TV we watch. And we only, and I only have time to watch TV when the kids are asleep, right? Yep.

So the kids go to bed at, now it's later and later cause my youngest is a pain in the butt. And she not tired at all. So she, so I, okay, anyway, who cares? I didn't watch it. But I watched The Bachelorette, the whole thing. And what were your thoughts? I have so many thoughts, but I want to tell you

what else I watched to see that I did my homework well. I also watched Love is Blind UK a little bit. We watched a little bit of that too. And I really liked it so far. It is good so far. Fantastic. Do you typically watch Love is Blind? Yes, I like Love is Blind.

I was even watching Love is Blind Mexico. I wish you had asked about that. I wish we knew about that. Love is Blind Mexico? Yes. Is it in Spanish? Si. Do you speak?

I mean, I'm not fluent, but yes. In poquito. Yes, no, puedo hablar espanol, si. Way more. Way, that was a great accent. Oh, muchas gracias. Oh my God! My aunt is from Spain.

Yes, and I have tried. Lives in Spain, she's from Alabama. Well, okay, she's lived there for 40 Spain. She's from Alabama. Well Okay She's lived there for 40 years. Her husband is Spanish there that is yes and her kids were born and raised there But I was like, oh Natalie has but I guess why it was good you clarify because I was like Oh, my nationality is like a little bit of Portuguese. I'm just saying you don't want to get into a hole like Alex Baldwin's wife territory Yeah, no. She's from Boston and his wife hurt like she got family with Spain. So de España.

Dangerous water here. I'm not sure. Cucumbers. But Natalie, you're so beautiful. What is your heritage? It's a little bit of Portuguese. Okay. And what about you, Nick? You're so beautiful. What's your heritage? Thank you. I'm mostly English and Swedish. That checks.

Anyway, so what was your favorite out of Bachelorette or Love is Wine, you get? Okay, I have a lot of thoughts about Bachelorette. How much have you already gone into it on your episodes? Like, what? This episode? No, no, I mean, like you talk about the Bachelorette. Oh, okay, okay, this episode.

I mean, I feel really kind of embarrassed to jump forward my first thoughts. Can you guys like get it started? So I know like, even though I have a song called Set Me Free, I'm still deeply people pleasing about this topic for sure. I feel like- I feel like Jen revealed herself to be a little bit

of like, you know, someone who likes to go unavailable. The only- 100% You know, the only person she doesn't like this episode is the one guy who's like, listen, I love you, and I'm not afraid to say it. Jumping in. Everyone else is just like, listen, I don't know how I feel about you yet.

She's like, oh, this is perfect for me, 100%. She is like, I was actually watching her with kind of a sadness of like, oh baby, you still have a lot of wounds from your dad, and this is showing up in how you want to have some emotionally unavailable people. And it was, yeah, it was just very clear. Like you said, it was just so obvious.

This guy is ready to give you his heart. You loved him. Like I felt like they were. I felt, I did. I felt the love between her and Devin. They felt the love between them. And it felt like he could be a real partner for her. You know, because he's emotionally so available

and he is so adoring of her. And I have a theory, tell me what you guys think. I think that the husband should always love the wife just a little bit more. Obviously, absolutely. The husband needs to be obsessed. I think so, right. And the wife needs to be like, you know, I love you.

I love you deeply, but I, right, right. I'm not disagreeing. Isn't that kinda true? But why? Por qua? I think it's por que. Yo pre quiero por que, por que estoy mi. Right. Right. I'm not disagreeing. Isn't that kind of true? But why? Pourquoi? I think it's por que. Yo por quiero por que, porque estoy... Well, again, I've never...

Pourquoi? Pourquoi? So, I haven't totally firmed up my views on why. I just feel like it's just this gut instinct that my sister and I came up with, like, a long ago, when we started dating, and we always just felt like the guy we chose should be, our boyfriend should be just a tiny little bit more obsessed with us than we were with him.

And I don't know why I think it was this instinctive, intuitive feeling as a woman that you need to be treated and adored like a queen because we are a little bit more emotionally up and down, and if a man- Flexible? Yeah, and if a man absolutely adores you, he's going to put up with just a little bit, you know. I don't know, maybe that's it.

No, you're right. We had Paige DeSorbo on a while back, and she said the same thing of like, I think the guy needs to be a little bit more obsessed with the woman. Why do you think Natalie? Or why did Paige think? I don't remember exactly why.

Do you remember what Paige's reason was? I don't. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Well. Perfect. Well, see, I think you are right in that, but I do also think that the other side of it is I would love nothing more than to just be inside

of Nick's pocket at all times. Like if I could fit in there and I could just hang out. You're so cute. I would love that. He is like, please get the fuck away from me. You know? What if for your birthday, I let you cuddle me however you want all day long for as long as you want.

You have to fall asleep making out. From the heart. From the heart. I do, I wanna fall asleep like this. Oh my God, you're so cute. I don't, I just. What if Kevin said that to you, what would you say? I would be like, get away from me.

I'm more Nick in this situation. I'm like, ugh, give me space. He's like such a cutie, but like, to tell you the truth. To tell you the truth. I think that we go back and forth on who's more into the other person. And I think it works really well because of that. But I just mean initially.

Yes. Like I think as a marriage continues and as you develop, I think like you're naturally gonna ebb and flow. But yeah, I just mean I think initially, like I think the spark is, it has to be mutual. Okay, wait, can I just, yeah, go ahead. I think playing off of your lady's theory, whether it's more or the same,

I just think to your lady's point. I love being called a lady. I do too. Lady. Yeah, I feel like one. You're ladies. We love being called a lady. I do too. Lady. Yeah, I feel like one. You're ladies. You're so classy. We are.

I think the men need to simply just be obsessed with their partner. They can't just like like their partner. There has to be something about their partner they need. Yes. You know? Yes. And I think maybe to that end.

Love that. It's like, I can't live without this. Yes. And I need. Yes. You know? Yes. And I think maybe to that end. Love that, you know. It's like I can't live without this. Yes. And I need this. Where maybe you guys don't need to need something. Yes. Besides being in your pocket. I do need that I feel like.

I do need to be smothered at some points of my life. I do need to be adored. I need Kevin to think I am the cutest, most adorable thing because I am crazy. And yes. And I need. But you know what, also, I think you're right, Nick. I think there needs to be something.

Because here's, I just had a theory as you were talking. Because traditionally, and not even traditionally, like historically, men spread their seed. What an awful way to say it. Yeah. That they are there, right? Right. They're supposed to go and procreate as much as they can.

Women are supposed to nest and stick with one. And so even like genetic or what the, I don't even know what the thing would be. Whatever. I think that like men, if the man is just absolutely obsessed with you, that little tiny historic gene in his head that's saying I need to go explore other, you know what I mean?

It's just turned off. Yeah, it isn't there. Like Kevin's, but you know what's so funny? I remember in my 20s, because Kevin and I met so long ago, I thought I would, I mean, maybe in my early 30s, I thought I was just the hottest thing since Slice Brand. I was just like, I am attractive,

but I maybe thought that I was like the most gorgeous thing in the world. Around like 33, I think is a woman like really, how old are you? 26. Oh, you're so long to go. I mean, you're already peaking, but so. Natalie's at the age where she rounds up still. That's such a different place.

No, no, no, no, no. I don't want to round up anymore. No, when I hit 25, I was like, all right, I could stay here. Oh, but it gets so much better. It just gets better and better and better. But it just felt weird to be like, I'm 25 when I will be 26 on Saturday.

Right, right, that's fair. Like my daughter's gonna be three in nine days. Like it feels like I'm lying to you. Right, right. I'm closer to 26 than I am 25. I was just thinking, Sophie's about to turn three and I was telling someone she's two and they were like impressed by something she was doing on the monkey bars. And then you're like, wait, no, no, no, no. And I felt like I was just thinking, Sophie's about to turn three and I was telling someone she's two and they were like impressed by something

she was doing on the monkey bars. And they were like, don't worry, she's actually three. Same. Okay, so anyway, when I was younger, I remember thinking, man, Kevin is so lucky and he doesn't look at other women because I am that amazing. I mean, I don't feel that way anymore.

I've like, you know, have had two kids and now I know. No, but now I know what happens. Like men look, you know? So anyway, we're in I know. No, but now I know what happens. Like men look, you know? So anyway, we're in New York. Nick's just scowling at me. I'm listening. So anyway, we're in New York. We lived in New York at the time

and there are these two very hot girls on bikes and they're young and they're like on bikes with short shorts and they're leaning over their bikes, like taking a picture. And Kevin's holding my hand in the West Village and without realizing at all what he's doing, he all of a sudden yelps. He goes, woohoo!

I was like, what the fuck? Did you just cat call when you were holding your wife's hand? Are you fucking kidding me? He was like, oh! He was so scared. He was so scared. He's like, oh, hi, hi. And then he started laughing and I'm like, oh my God.

And it was that day that I realized that he still looked at other women. I never knew. I never knew. I don't. Yeah, right. Nick went to Air One yesterday because he has like a secret girlfriend at Air One.

I go to Air One every day. No, we were like, what should we do for lunch? We both decided to be wanted Trinity Follow her on Instagram. No fucking we talked about like she asked me if I believe in God one day I was like she invited me to the If I believe in God one day I was like she invited me to the Special she invited you to oh she's never invited me But we were like we wanted some orange chicken for lunch yesterday and now he's like great

Air one has orange chicken on Sundays. Yeah, I didn't know that and Sundays. It's really good by the way So. So I was like, I'll go and get us lunch. And it was Sunday, so I had the sweatpants on and the sweatshirt, and River earlier that day had spit up all over me. So I had some puke on, so I decided to change the shirt. Well, the shirt was a Green Bay Packer shirt, didn't really go with the Navy sweatpants, so I put on some jeans.

He got ready, no, he got ready. And then there was a green hat sitting on the cover. So I threw the hat. And he comes around and I've got my back to where he's coming. And I hear his high heels walking on the... I'm like, oh, you got dressed up. I swear to God, if I turn around, you have a cute outfit on. I knew it was coming too. I knew it was fucking coming.

Because I was like, damn, I look good. And I turn around, I'm like, who is she? Who's the bitch? What, what's going on? Like, why did you just full on? I got dressed up to get us some orange sugar. And then he said he needed a break from me. And I'm like, no, it's because I was trying to get into his pocket.

And he was like, I need a break from you. No, that actually wasn't true. I said that before I got ready because Nali was just decided, I don't know if you've ever done this, but every once in a while, I've realized that Nali just, for like maybe just 60 seconds,

sometimes 90 just needs to be mean to me. Yeah. And just talking away. Yeah, that's fair. That's kinda like. It's not me. You're a stupid fucking idiot. She doesn't say she would never call me

a stupid fucking idiot to be clear. But I know what you mean. I hear it in the voice. Just a little aggression. Well, it's just like. I understand. So, and she was hungry. Same. We were hungry. Same, by the way. Thank you, thank you. I didn't fault her. It's a little aggression. Well, it's just like. I understand. So, and she was hungry. Same.

We were hungry. Same, by the way. I didn't fault her. Every woman probably. But I did jokingly say, I'll go, I need a break from you. And then came out in the new outfit. And then I came out looking hot.

Oh, shit, that is a fact that I needed to know before. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Wow. Yes. And then turns out Air One doesn't have it on Sunday, it's Saturday. So I went for nothing. Well.

But you didn't get a substitute. Did you see Trinity? Well, we wanted Chinese food. And I said, do you have any orange chicken substitutes? Can I tell you guys a secret? To which he replied. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

No, we didn't. And I said, thank you. And then we ordered, where'd we order from? Green apple. We enjoyed it. I am so glad to know the whole journey of that meal. That was not a waste of a minute. And then Natalie ordered three meals worth.

So we also had Chinese for dinner. Oh, okay. That made it a great story. Exactly. Because it brought up the fact that Chinese food is the best leftover. It is. I don't eat it anymore, but when I did.

Why don't you eat it? Just cause I'm like old and like who, you know, like, I've been just like, I don't need it anymore. But when I did, why don't you eat it? Just cause I'm like old and like who, you know, like I've been just like, I don't know. I feel like you don't eat Chinese food in your forties. Like, you know, such a big statement. That's not true. I just meant, okay. I just meant like, I'm trying to give it up. Chinese. I'm trying to tighten it up. I'm trying to tighten it up. I'm trying to tighten it up

I'm going to be on tight. What up just the whole package like the whole thing Try to just you know food in your 40s Okay, I'm gonna rescind the former statement, please let the record show I do think you can eat Chinese food in your 40s, but you just don't I choose not to Because I just it's a little harder what I mean is like it's a little harder to keep it tight in your 40s. But you just don't. I choose not to. Okay. Because I just, it's a little harder. What I mean is like, it's a little harder to keep it tight in your 40s as a woman. Really quick question. That's all.

Yeah, how do we get here with every time I'm on The Bachelorette? Right. Jen's trauma. Jen's trauma, yeah. Was that how? I felt really sad for her. I felt sad watching her.

Yeah, I can do a quick transition. Great, okay, perfect. Yeah, I'm back on track. Pick it up. I felt it was really like, it was hard to watch, to be honest. I really hate it when all of a sudden, towards the end of these seasons,

like we're in right now, that the Bachelorette all of a sudden turns into one of the contestants. Literally, yes. You know what I'm saying? It's just like all of a sudden, she's got three people left, and she's just like. Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

She does, she's not in control. She feels like, I'm actually watching it and I was like, is there even a connection here? Like I actually don't believe that you're ready to get engaged to any of these people the way that you're like talking off camera right now. Although I have never been through it, I know you have, and like I don't know what that feels like

to narrow down that decision with other people in the field. That seems super confusing to me. Possible, you know, they're leaving stuff out or things like that, or maybe the conversations don't feel as one-sided, you know, in reality as they do us watching them. That's possible.

Well, who is, who do you feel like you see Jen with the most, Marcus, Jonathan, or Devin? Well, who I like the most? First of all, I just want to say I really like Jen. I went into the season thinking that I was going to be a little bored. And I really wanted Daisy to be the Bachelor. I don't know why.

I just thought that she'd be fun, especially because of her rap. And I just thought that would be interesting. So I was really, mainly sad about that. I was like, oh, I really would have liked to see the rap. The music video. Yeah, the music video. So have you guys seen it? Oh, we've seen it. Okay, everyone's seen it.

So anyway, but I've really liked Jen. And I really thought that she was way deeper and more interesting and like adorable and cute than I thought I was gonna feel about her. And so I liked her and I thought she was a good bachelorette and I think she is a good bachelorette. I just right now, I feel like she's going back to old patterns exactly like you said like she kind of felt like she was empowered and in command and like

You know understanding that this this is her choice, right? And I feel like as it's dwindling and getting you know closer and closer. She maybe I don't know Maybe she's like getting afraid and that it's real and that the feelings that Devin had, and I do also just wanna say, Devin did seem a little desperate. Like, come on, dude, give her a break. We're doing the most. It was the most, easy.

Haven't you seen this show? People say that they love you and the bachelor or the bachelorette rarely says it back until the end. Chill. I said it, but now I need her to say it. Easy, buddy. Can you give her a week?

Right, chill out. Although she said it to Marcus, which was shocking. I was shocked by that. Only to get stonewalled. What the dick was that? I was like, you're not in love with him? It's gotta suck being the bachelorette, saying I love you to someone,

and you get the thank you for sharing. Yeah. And it just happened to Devon. Like it's so, I felt like I was, that's why I was like, this is turning into a game. Like Devon's saying it to her, she doesn't wanna say it back, then she's saying to Marcus,

Marcus doesn't wanna say it back. And I'm like, and personally, I think that Jonathan is lovely. And he seems so solid. He's my favorite by far. He's normal. He seems like he has a life that she could fit into as a creative director in LA.

It's probably where she wants to move anyways. She did tell us that she saw having babies with Jonathan over anyone else. Wait, you met her? We had her on and we were like, okay. We're like, what does a life look like with A, B, and C? And with Jonathan, she said kids. And we were like, okay, so.

So you picked Jonathan. At this point, it kind of looks like two of the guys might leave on their own accord, and it's like, I don't want her choosing Jonathan based off of like. Devin's not gonna leave. Do you think, I don't think Devin's gonna leave. I don't, it may just, maybe just needing the attention

and saying everything, but it's just kind of like, it's giving this idea that like, she actually really isn't in control, because it almost seems like Jonathan is the only choice. Well, the big question is, because it ends on a cliffhanger, which we'll find out on, you know, the beginning of mental all.

But Devon goes home, right? He has to. Right. Like he goes home, like, yeah, she's not in love with him. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, I have two guys I'm waiting to find out if they love me at all.

Don't you think Jonathan was kind of like, I felt like she and Jonathan were on the even place. I felt like that was the only one that felt like it matched where they both were. It did, but unless I missed something, usually this is right around the time that you get the whole I'm falling in love with you because next week they're gonna be in love.

And I don't feel like- It seems like they're a little early to reach that. She and Jonathan seem like they have a little work to do. But Jonathan hasn't, yeah. No, Jonathan did say he was like, I only see myself getting on one knee with you. I can see all of that. So he's kind of voicing the reality that, okay,

if next week, if it's me, I could see myself doing that. But did he say he's falling in love? He said, I'm falling for you multiple times. He also said last week or during hometowns and whatnot. Not that it was like that. It's not the same. I'm just saying in Bachelor World. Yeah, can you help me understand Bachelor World language?

I'm confused. Bachelor World, there's a very, I'm starting to fall in love with that. Not the same. I'm just saying in Bachelor World. Yeah, can you help me understand Bachelor World language? I'm confused. Bachelor World, there's a very like, I'm starting to fall in love with you. Starting to fall. It's all just so silly. Then I'm falling in love with you. What more difference? Then I'm in love with you.

And I think I can see myself spending the rest of my life with you. And then I love. It's kind of like a whole different. And then I love you. It's like I can see it. Yeah. I'm like, how far are we?

Do you have binoculars? But that's why it's giving bait and switch to me because she hasn't said either way how she feels about Jonathan to him or about him. It's I like him, it's great, but she's not like I'm falling in love with Jonathan and Jonathan's not like I'm falling in love with her, but they seem like they're on the same page.

They seem like they're on the same page and they look so good together. I know that's superficial, but I just love them together. Love the look. Who is the person who's in the hotel room? Like their babies would be beautiful. Jonathan and Jen. I'm concerned about Devin and Jen's babies.

But Marcus and her. Yeah, but Marcus is not even, Marcus is a disaster. Marcus is weeping. He is going home in like a second. That kid is. He's gonna do the three line up situation. Jen, can I talk to you for a second?

And then it's like giving out the rose and there's always one that goes and has a private talk being like, I don't think I can be here anymore or I need more from you and they always get sent home. Have we ever had someone just decline the rose in mid-rose ceremony? Just be like, honestly, now that I'm here in this moment, I can't do it.

I don't think it's ever done, been done. I did read some article that was like, that was talking about what's his name who left, Austin or something. I'm sure you guys already talked about that. But how like it's such a producer driven show now that like they're not really tending to the contestants enough.

And he was just like, I'm out. Say this again? I have no idea what I'm talking about. Let's actually skip. Austin. Okay. Say that one more time. But now I understand. I I'm talking about. Let's actually skip. Austin. Okay. Say that one more time.

But now I understand. I made all that up. Bachelor lore. I was basically saying, I read an article and someone was saying that The Bachelor, as a franchise, is so producer driven versus like Love Island, where like, it's all the contestants just not with,

like they don't have the cameras around. They're just, they're showing you who they are. It's just really their decisions. And they're like, the Bachelor franchise is like a little bit producer driven and that manipulated and like that. I speak to that though, please. Please.

I mean, I haven't been there for a while. So things could be a little bit, it's formulaic, the Bachelor as we know. And I just think the people making the show now love the formula. And I think there have been other people in charge in the past who like, yeah, there's the formula, but they like to spread their wings a little bit. I think there's less of that going on,

so I think now when you're casting people on the show who have been fans, who have watched the show, I think they go knowing the formula. Right, right, right, that makes sense. And kind of self-editing and things like that. Right, right, right. That makes sense. And kind of self-editing and things like that. I don't, you know. That's a good point.

I think it's... Can you guys tell me about the hometowns? Cause I actually couldn't find that episode. I don't know why. So I'm coming in without a lot of knowledge. Can't find, love, Island USA. You guys, I'm not good at watching TV. Do you use the search bar at all?

I did. I swear to God. I went on last night because I was trying to cram my homework for this. Your homework. And I was like, all right, I got to episode six, and what you guys sent me was episode eight, and I knew I needed to watch episode seven

in order to watch eight. Wait, you watched all of it? What do you mean? Oh. What do you mean, watched all of what? Like, all of, like, everything that's been out? Yeah. Oh my gosh.

You are, you are over prepared. Yeah, I watched the season. No, that's incredible. That's why I have so much amazing insight. We expected you to be like with the most recent episode. No, I have watched the entire season. Do you want to get it in your chest? Yes.

Okay, you want to talk about some previous episodes? No, no, I think I said every. She's like the way that Brett was sitting home night one. Did you believe that Brett was sitting home night one? I disliked Sam deeply. Oh my God. I'm sure you covered that. That was terrible.

What, when he- Hot tag, Rachel. Thank God we asked. Okay, jerks. Can you tell me about hometowns? What was Jonathan's hometown like with her? Very natural. Yeah, they played lacrosse.

Cause they both are college lacrosse players. It was really cute. It gave like, yeah, it gave like, this is your forever. And where does his family live? San Diego. Love that for her. Future visits for home, like come on, San Diego for the holidays?

Yep. It's definitely Jonathan. Like who wants to go to Houston with like, he's a Fright Company owner. I don't see that for her. I see creative director for her. Johnathan. You guys don't know?

I have so much. You're not reading the tags. I'm fascinated by their careers. I am because some of them are like, like careers that you're like, that's not a career. No, I know. Like there was on... Oh yeah, what was the portrait? Puppy portrait?

No, on Love is Blind UK, they have luxury bags. Yeah, luxury experience. Luxury experience, what is that? What the? Not a job. No, but he's on a cruise ship. That's what we found out. Oh, I didn't watch that far.

Oh guys, what the dick? I have watched so much more TV than you have. Fuck. Sorry. And I was so nervous about not knowing enough. Anyway, that's what he does. Now you know too much. Yeah, I do.

Now he's on cruise ships and he helps them purchase things on cruise ships. But he was like, said to her, he's like, don't worry, I want to get out of that field. And she's like, well, that's good. How do we get married if you were on a cruise ship? What are we going to do? Do you like cruises? No. Thank you.

I absolutely think they're the worst. I have the most gonna do? Yeah. Do you like cruises? No. Thank you. I absolutely think they're the worst. I have the most funny cruise story experience. Do you wanna know? Or is it time to be done? Oh my God, no. No, he's shooting me eyes at me because I said, I do, I do like a cruise.

I love the Disney cruise. Oh. Yeah, she's a Disney adult. I really am. Oh my God. Yeah, and it's really nice. Okay, that is so cute. And it's really nice.

But don't die there. You are so cute. My husband thinks there should be a reality show about Disney adults. Oh, I think so too. How is there not? That's how I asked for it for my birthday. I just want to go to Disneyland.

I want to know about you. I want to study your brain. I want to understand, it's so sweet. My friend Christina Perry is a huge Disney adult. Okay, name drop. Loves them. Iconic. I didn't mean to name drop.

No, but like, that's a cool, one of my good friends and she's- That's a great, like, that's sick. She loves Disney. I love Christina Perry. She's incredible. And Rachel Platten. Rachel's incredible. No, she's so sweet.

Yeah. I am Rachel Platten. Oh my god. I haven't made that joke. That's great. Ah, love you too. Wait, okay, can I tell you guys my group story? Yes. Okay. I feel like Nick is Wait, okay, can I tell you guys my group's story? Yes. Okay.

I feel like Nick is just like so wonderful. I love how you look at a guest. It's just with this like bemusement and it just makes you feel like your most special self. What does bemusement mean? Bemusement is like kind of like you're amused but kind of like with a little tickle. You're amused but with a little bem-

Sparkle. Bemused. A little bit of bemue.. Bemused. Bemused. A little bit of bemused. All right. So I went on a... Right before Fight Song exploded, I was... Anyone who doesn't know my story, I was on the road, like living out of a van for like

a couple of years, traveling around the country, playing in living rooms, bars, wherever would have me. And I wrote Fight Song about not giving up on my music career. And it went to change my life life but it took a little while so after it came out but before it exploded I was booked on this cruise like this music cruise and there are a lot of these I don't know if any of you guys have gone and I think they in theory sound like a really nice cool thing and I was excited and my friend Andy Grammer was going I'm not name-dro. I'm just telling you this is important for the story.

This is important for the story. And Michael, not Buble. I was like, oh, here we go. I was like, what's the Michael Keaton? Yeah, actually, I do know Michael. I met him too. I Thanksgivinged at his house. All right. So here's the thing.

It was Michael Franti and he's like, you know, Michael Franti? No. Hey, how we going today? Oh, cute, go back in that street today. I'm gonna send a little photo. Yes, love him. I love you. I hope he's good.

Is he okay, is he doing good? What, for sure he's doing well. He's always doing well. He's barefoot somewhere in some mountain town, like loving strangers. So here's the thing, I'm on this cruise and they, and I was- It was a stacked lineup.

It was stacked. And I was in a train, train too. And I was in nobody at the time. And it was like a favor that I was on there. So I was put in like the bottom, like steerage. I was in like the like sixth floor down. Just tiny little like cubicle cruise. Did you get a window?

I had a window. Thank God. So, okay. I'm next to like, just I'm with the masses. You're like where they put Leo's character in Titanic. Exactly. Exactly. We have like our own like underground classless party.

We're just like, we're like, it's more fun down here. Anyway. You're jiving. Right. Nick, I'm not Nick. Um, I was looking at my sister and you. There's a lot of Knicks in here. Andy is up on the very top with like a gorgeous bed,

like sweet. Three bedroom suite. Yep. Michael Fronte is on the very, very top of the ship with his own pool, what? Deck. His own pool. Attendance, I'm not kidding. And so, okay, I just wanted to set the stage and train is obviously also on the top.

And I walk on this cruise ship and fight song had Exploded a month and a half before like it was massive. It was probably number two in like on the billboard or whatever It was like massive. I was about to sing with Taylor on stage. That's where we're out we're at in my career and I like on the ship and there and no one has made like amendments to the to like where I am Uh-huh, and I am getting recognized non nonstop and I've never been recognized before. I've never been famous before. No one ever cared who I was.

So I do not know how to deal with it. It's my first experience. And every time I walk out of my room, there was someone telling me a story about how Fight Song has helped them and it is a beautiful experience, but not when you're like trying to brush your teeth. And like, it was really scary and really like,

I felt like so uncomfortable. People just kept wanting to cry to me and it was like lovely, but it was really scary and really like, I felt like so uncomfortable. People just kept wanting to cry to me and it was like lovely but it was all day long and they wanted signatures. And I said to Andy and Michael, I'm like, this is not going well. Like, I am not okay. How do we do this?

And they're like, oh, what do you mean? It's an incredible experience. And I didn't know where they were. I was like, oh, okay. I guess there's something wrong with me. I guess I'm just, you know, a bad artist. And I see Michael, like I'm guess there's something wrong with me. I guess I'm just, you know, a bad artist. And I see Michael, like, I'm hiding in, like, the yoga room. I'm, like, hiding from, like, wherever I can find space

because I had no personal space. And Michael's, like, leading a fucking hug workshop and, like, embracing people just because. He's like, does anyone want to hold hands? And I'm like, what is wrong with him? Why does he want space? And finally, on, like, the last day, they invite me up to their quarters.

And I'm like, oh, this is a bunch of bullshit. Of course you guys are ready to go down and mingle. Like, you're not in Steerage. It's called the five bedroom apartment. Meanwhile, you're sleeping and someone's like, hey. Literally, they found out where I am and people are leaving signs on my door. Like, I love you, I just want you to know I love you.

And it is so sweet, but it's also like, a kind of scary experience. Yeah. You can't leave. You can't leave. You're trapped on that boat. Seven days. If you don't have space,

or like a security or something. Thank you. Do I sound obnoxious? No. No, it's true. My follow-up is just like, ew. It does remind me of when I filmed my season of The Bachelor and the iconic Corinne Olympias.

Olympias? Corinne, yeah. Corinne Olympias. Olympias? Corinne, yeah. Corinne. You remember Corinne? I loved her. Crazy. The only person I ever taken out. And we were on the last group date

and we were swimming with sharks. I remember that date. And I talked, I've been on a cruise once, I went with my dad. Really great bonding experience, but also I was like never fucking again. Because it was like just a giant sardine can. And I said, I do not cruise.

And Karin goes, you just don't cruise the right way. That's iconic. That is iconic. Yeah, so it was like some version of you don't know how to cruise. Apparently she had the train and Andy experience. Totally. And I had the Rachel Platten experience.

Yes. It was a free trip. Yes. So you can imagine our accommodations. Mine, probably like mine. When I do Disney cruise, So you can imagine our accommodations. Mine, probably like mine. When I do Disney Cruise, it's like they have two floors that are just concierge level, which is just like everybody there,

you have your own little lounge and like bar to go to. So it's like, you don't have to like wait in line or like find the available bar on the ship. So I'm like, there are ways to go about it where it's like, you're not feeling like everything is being like corralled, you know? Okay. That's what I was missing. Do you think you'll take the girls on a Disney cruise?

I don't really see that for us. I don't see it for us, but I'm not gonna rule it out because who knows, maybe they love Disney and maybe I- And T-Sierra. Yeah. I could show you the way. I could show you the world. Shining, shimmering, spla-

Well, I can die happy now. You can absolutely take River to Disneyland. Oh, absolutely. No, who are we just, we were talking to Kane, our good friend Kane Brown. Okay, okay, name dropping. Nice try. And he, and Nick was saying, who's fucking able?

Like who? Wow. Take it way back. Nick was like, well fuck amusement parks, I'm never doing that shit. And he was like, honestly, it's really fun to go with your kids on the roller coasters. And he was like, you get to experience childhood

like never before through your kids. That's sweet. And I hope that it made you feel like Chet. Did it? Yeah. I will be excited to take River to see things for the first time. Disney World will be really cool for her to see for the first time.

It is so awesome that you're such a young mom and you're so beautiful. People do say young mom and I guess- Not for the rest of the world, but just in LA. Well, yeah, as I say for today's, yeah, because everyone I went to high school with has four kids by now. Did you grow up in Utah? No, no, Alabama, Georgia, South area, yeah.

That wasn't a joke, I was serious. No, no, yeah, no, yeah, no, the South. It's my eyelash fell off. You're not like Utah coming after you. No, I love Utah. I'm like, absolutely, it's actually my favorite place to tour. They are incredible. They are similar to Europeans in their enthusiasm for music.

Europeans are just the most generous, and South Americans are the most generous audience. Our good friend Carly Pierce, she was... Oh my god, this is actually a joke. I cannot believe you made me feel bad about name dropping. No, she was saying that when she tours in Europe, she's like, they have no idea what I'm saying, but they know every single word to my songs. You know, my good friend Julia Roberts actually told me something similar.

So let me kill you. That's so crazy. Would she tell you again? Um, Julia Roberts? No, I don't something similar. So, no big deal. That's so crazy. What'd she tell you again? Julia Roberts. No, I don't know her. I don't know her. You like read this in her book or something, or did she text it to you? Actually, Barbara and I stressed him.

Oh, yes, of course. What was it like performing with Taylor Swift? Ugh, Nick, do you really have to ask that? Everyone has to ask that. I'm just kidding. She's incredible. It was so fun. She's fine, she's nice.

Can you, are you allowed to say anything mean? It was the most incredible thing of my life. Honestly, that experience was wild. I had never played to that many people. It was 60,000 people and stop it! And it was amazing. And it was like, you know, she's really generous with her stage. Have you all talked recently?

I wouldn't say recently, no. We haven't like, I mean, our lives kind of went in different directions, because I had kids and also got really depressed. So I think that it was like a different path than most celebrities. I kind of went a little bit more normal life for a minute. I kind of was like hid from the whole world of celebrity

and all that stuff, because it just, my mental health was struggling. And also I needed to really do a deep dive in order to create this next body of work. Like I don't know how to create quickly in a way that has meaning and purpose. How long did it take you to make this new album? From start to finish like five years,

but I haven't put out a record for seven years, if you can believe that. Wow. Yeah, I know. I mean, I did in that time put out a children's book and like wrote songs and released music and made two people so I'm gonna actually go ahead and say I did a lot. You did a lot. Yeah you looked too busy for sure. But I didn't put out music because I didn't know what I felt yet and I didn't need my writing. And I didn't want to put anything out just to keep status, or just keep my fans engaged.

I really wanted to have something to say and understand who I am and what I feel about the world. And it didn't feel right earlier, but now it really does, it feels right. Where are you from? I'm from Boston. Okay. You live in LA?

Mm-hmm. We have been throwing around the idea of possibly raising our daughter in a different place. Yeah. Kevin and I talk about that a lot. You do. We talk about it a lot on our team. We're not...

What, what? What? Anyways, I was talking to my friend Ryan Reynolds. I'm just kidding. Oh yeah, Ryan Reynolds, yeah. I actually have a video of... No, right, okay. Actually, I just have to just...

You're gonna have to send that one. Excuse me. I got so overwhelmed by how inappropriate I was. Okay. I can tell you, I can't tell you anything. At Taylor's house when we were there for July 4th, I can, I can tell you just like a tiny little bit. At Taylor's house when we were there for the July 4th party, like years ago, she had a

jam. Like the like is so, I hear my five-year-old being like, so like, July 4th party, like years ago, she had a jam, like the like is so, I hear my five-year-old being like, so like, and I'm like, why do you say that? And then I listened to myself. It's also hard. Oh, yeah. I've turned into a valley girl. From the eighties, okay.

So anyway, there was a jam and I have videos of all these. Like a strawberry jam? A song. Oh, a jam. No. You're being serious. That was so cute. Oh, I thought there was like a jam that she made. There was a jam.

It was 4th of July. That makes sense. I don't know. It was 4th of July and there was a music. There was a microphone and guitar and piano set up and it was epic. And it was me and Ed Sheeran and Haim and Kesha and like, and Blake and Ryan and, you know, and all the, all Taylor's model friends who were lovely and very nice, actually.

Gigi is one of the sweetest people. And I'm being so name-tropy, but what are you gonna do? That's honestly... And I have videos of them all singing fight songs, so that's why I was, but I can never show you. It's all getting so much trouble. Bobby, what are you looking, what is her face right now? My fellow sister's like, what is wrong with you?

She's like shut the fuck up. All I heard is that Ryan Reynolds loves Fight Song. Yeah, that is kind of what I heard too. And Ed Sheeran. Yeah. And Haim. Yeah, okay, so anyway, lots of people like Fight Song and I'm really popular.

I'm kidding, that was like 10 years ago. None of them know my name. No, that's not true at all. Your household name. That is, I don't know what households. Well, ours for sure. No, I think you are. I genuinely do think you are.

I'm a lot less concerned with it right now, to be honest, like I appreciate it. Well, then I take it back. No, no, no, I appreciate it. If you don't give a fuck, then I take it back. I used to care really deeply. And all I mean, I don't really care. I'm kind of like, I'm proud and it back. No, no, no, I appreciate it. If you don't give a fuck, then I'll take it back. I just, I used to care really deeply. And now I mean, I don't really care. I'm kinda like, I'm proud and I love this music

and I just can't wait for people to hear it. And you know what I mean? I really solidly feel that way. You don't give a fuck. I don't really care. No, I know. I'm a mom, you know? And I'm just so, and I just love

where I'm at in life right now. You know, it's amazing. It really is. To be in your, it's amazing to be in your early 40s women. It's incredible. It's also amazing to be in your late 20s. It's incredible to be, I really was not, like I was not enjoying my late 20s like you probably are.

I was really struggling as an artist to try to make it. And I was like really, really broke and living in a fifth-floor lockup with cockroaches and mice and was playing like four-hour gigs to like pay my rent. You were grinding. It was grinding. So it was a different, we were having a different experience. I've never had to really grind. Like I don't, I haven't had a career. I haven't been passionate about something that I needed to grind. That's, that's a blessing. Maybe that's on me. Maybe I should find a passion. No, it's not your young.

Easy, easy, easy on yourself. You're really young. You probably will grind in your life. I mean, yeah, you're being a little... Yeah. ...hard on yourself. Oh my God. Yeah, you're going to grind, and everyone has their different ways.

Look, my... When I met Natalie... Yeah, go ahead. ...she was finishing up her... Was it residency? She, she was working. Yeah. I'm a doctor. Yes! No, she was going. You're a nurse, aren't you?

She was finishing up her school for being a surgical tech. She was working at the hospital, like in the morning, bartending, so she was like bartending all night. She had to wake up, got two hours of sleep, going to school. Natalie. Then she would go to the hospital. You grinded. Save a couple lives. Wait, I kind of grinded.

You grinded, Natalie! I mean, yeah. Oh my God, okay. Okay, no, I did, I grinded. Do you mean, yeah, okay. Okay. No, I did I grinded Remember the song bumping grind do I? Just it came to mind I just remember that if our midst was back in the day like it was really weird like we were All like 13 and we were like humping each other. No. Yeah, the fact that they were playing stanky leg at my like dance Wine I like pony. Pony is good. That's such a good genuine. Ooh. Stanky leg, did you wanna know that one?

Can you believe there was a song we showed my 21 year old sister cause he was like showing us. What was the song that you showed us that was dirty? Oh, it's called Deep Throat. Oh God. It's called Deep Throat. Cupcake.

Cupcake, oh yeah. Have you heard smell your dick by risque? That one's really fun. Oh my God, grandma, if you're listening, I'm so sorry. No, that one's really fun. I'm kidding, she's dead, but I just. Oh my God, rest in peace. Oh, I love, she's my best friend,

but I just was more saying it to Gloria, my neighbor. Oh, 101. Oh, I guess 31st. Wait, you guys, I am gonna go over there with a cake. What about? In a couple days. To my house. To wish her happy birthday.

Do you want me to come to you too? Honestly, probably. I am all over the place right now. I'm sorry. I would love Do you want me to come to you too? Honestly, I'm probably at home. I am all over the place right now. I'm sorry. I would love for you to bring a cake to my house. Okay. Could you do like a two stop? Yeah, absolutely.

So good to see you. Man, I love you guys. I'm so happy that you're parents now. Check out Rachel's new album out September 3rd. I am Rachel Platten. Congratulations. Thank you guys. I love you both. That was fun. Thank you guys for listening. We'll be back on Thursday for another explosive episode of Reality Recap. See you then. Bye.