The Viall Files - E804 - Horrible Bachelorette Finale, NFL Predictions with Peter Schrager, DWTS Cast Drop, and Calling 911

Episode Date: September 5, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  The Bachelorette Finale just aired, and ummmm…what was that? Why did Devin break up with Jenn Tran, was she lied to, and what were the producers thinking? Before we jump into it all, we talk NFL predictions with Peter Schrager, the new Dancing With the Stars cast, and stories of calling 911. “We can’t show this, it would be cruel” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Audible - Listen to Drop Dead at https://www.Audible.com/dropdead  Cymbiotika - Head over to https://Cymbiotika.com/VIALL for 20% off + free shipping on your subscription order. Quince - Go to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Huggies - To learn more visit https://www.Huggies.com Vessi - Discover more waterproof styles at https://vessi.com/viall  Athletic Greens - Try AG1 and get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase at https://drinkAG1.com/VIALL  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @pschrager @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 11:39 - Household Headlines & DWTS 16:28 - WNBA 17:57 - Adele 21:11 - Artifact 25:54 - Emergency Nuggets 29:42 - Chase Bank 31:17 - Jax 35:05 - Peter Intro 39:16 - Welcome Peter 52:07 - TSwift and NFL 59:25 - MVP Prediction 01:02:07 - Getting Into It 01:06:03 - Fantasy Football 01:09:24 - Game 01:29:48 - Bachelorette Recap 01:58:10 - Outro

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slash viall for 20% off plus free shipping on your subscription order again that's symbiotica.com C Y M B I O T I K A dot com slash vi all What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by the household so much to get into. Holy shit. Maybe is it the worst Bachelorette finale of all time? It's a sham. Devastating.

The worst. Absolutely. Heartbreaking. Bachelorette finale of all time. It's a sham. Devastating. It was absolutely, well we have so much. Heartbreaking. Well it was a lot of things, but just like objectively the worst made produced finale. Yeah, fuck them producers. Yep. That's wrong, Jesus.

That was all they're doing, like come on. It was a fire dumpster. Protect your Bachelorette. Well lots to get into, but the internet, it's like, no. Dump is all right. I agree. It's a dumpster fire of a season, and a lot of reasons to ask yourself,

what the fuck were they doing this season? From beginning to end. And also Sam and Erin being like, we told y'all, like, no, no, no, bitch, this doesn't get y'all off the fucking hook. Y'all are still pieces of shit too. Take a seat. There is that, there is that.

But yeah, the producers ended up being the villain of the season. And then when it comes to, when you say the word producers, I mean, there's hundreds of people working the show. Question is. Which one? Which one. Anyways, a lot to get into.

We also have Peter Schrager of Good Morning Football with us, we got the NFL season is upon us. I am so excited. Remember when Nick called me a pick me the other day? Whenever I was like so excited for football season, he was like, ooh, give me a pick me. I was like candles and fall and food and dogs and baby. No, I said the babe, I maybe I was a bit,

I said the babe, but some people might be calling me a pick me and I was gonna be like, fuck you guys, so I wanted to have my wife's back. Well, you know what else people are calling me? Oh no. Are they criticizing you for your beautiful body? Good answer. They are. They are.

I posted some photos of me postpartum, did a little intimacy collab and was like, postpartum is sexy. And it, you know, I posted a story being like, I really struggled with this. I'm not pre-baby. I am not confident in my body. This is very vulnerable for me to do, but as soon as I put this collection on,

it really did make me feel sexy. Oh, and the hate comments started rolling in, honey. And it was very much like, this is a fake portrayal of postpartum. And then there was, that was a section of them. And then it was like the, you're a slut, save this for your husband, why, just might as well get an OnlyFans,

take that cross off your neck. Like very, very scary. Isn't that your comments? I didn't read through all my comments. I stayed away from my DMs and I was like, let me just like see what people are saying. And then I was like, oh my God, I should not see what people are saying. And then I was like, oh my God, I should not see what people are saying.

Oh yeah, it was like so scary. And then it's like every woman's postpartum is different. Okay, like you, these people have no idea what I'm going through internally, what I'm going through behind this screen that I post the highlights of my fucking life on. Dave, you can't help that your bad day is someone else's unobtainable day.

That's not your fault. But it's also just like- I mean, I'm sorry, I just, I hate these people. No, it's just like, it's just like these, and it's women, it's women being like, how fucking dare you do this? And it's like, I'm sorry, I like felt vulnerable and like, I don't know, powerful enough to be like, hey, I don't look my best,

but like I feel sexy and that's what counts. That's what matters. I don't know. And people are just fucking hating me and it's so insensitive. And there was a lot of nice comments, but my DMs were very scary and it felt like people didn't want to publicly shame me because maybe they knew they would get some response in the comment sections. They're like, oh no, no, we'll just send it to her directly and tell her how much of a piece of shit slut she is. It is crazy though,

if Nellie and I receive criticism together, my DMs will look something like, I'm really disappointed in you. And Nellie's DMs will be like, you dirty whore. Why are people so vicious? Vicious. It's not even people, like why are? It's women, it's always women.

And they're always like disappointed in me, but will absolutely destroy her. I mean, that's so unfair. And it's also kind of like at the end of the day, it did take, it's a vulnerable moment for you. And it's something that you're feeling confident or celebrating. And it's just kind of sad

that instead of allowing somebody to celebrate their happiness, even if you don't agree or you don't like it, you don't need to comment on it. And even then, allow somebody to celebrate their body and be happy with what they've accomplished after having a baby. Your journey and the way that your body looks

takes away from nobody else. Nobody else. Everyone's is different. And maybe, I worked really, really hard. I had a wedding to prepare for, I worked really hard and I'm still, I am still not where I wanna be. I will never be pre-baby.

I will never look like that again. It's just not in my cards. It's me being like, hey, I worked really hard and I'm still not like, I understand, like it is, this is hard and this is not, you know, this is a mental load and it's like, it really fucks with you mentally and you know, like I'm, but I'm gonna swallow it and I'm gonna like post it for the fucking world to see.

I'm gonna post like what I would really like to cover up and like not show even my husband, but like, no, I'm gonna, because I feel sexy, I put on this intimacy set and like, I feel good, I feel hot, I'm like, hell yeah, like, what the fuck? Like, did I have a baby? I don't know, like, let me post this. And then people are like, terrible, terrible, terrible.

And it's just so cruel. And I feel like women attacking women is just something that will unfortunately never go away. And I don't know, like maybe like be nicer to people. Sorry. Anyways, moving on. I will say I thought it was empowering from my perspective. And I did see a lot of comments that were like, gorgeous, love.

Thank you for sharing. So proud. Yes, there were. I don't. Yeah, I don't want to say all of it. There was so many comments. And I thank you so much to everyone who commented that because it did make the ones that I quickly saw in my DM a little less important,

but it's still hard. It's still hard to be like, oh, I'm gonna be vulnerable and I'm gonna post this. And then people will be like, no. And then it's like, ah, okay, I'll never do that again. Sorry. Ridiculous. People suck.

I'm just like, be nice. It takes no time,. Just like be nice. It takes no time, no effort to be nice. And even then you can just keep scrolling if you don't like what you see, but to try to attack somebody in their DMs being like, I hope I ruined your day because your body ruined mine. Like stop it, stop it. I'll never understand them.

People suck. Yeah. And you're stunning Natalie, by the way. I love you. I love you guys. I love you guys. I love you guys. It wasn't, I think. I love you too. I almost bought myself, what is it called?

An intimacy. It missed me. You should. I was like, you know what? Natalie looks good in it, I might as well get one. Wait, you should. Don't know if it fit. Hot.

It would fit. What are they called? Pieces? Fets. Fets. What are they called? Well, you can wear them separately, we're together, I guess. Items?

Mix and match. Before we get to household headlines, we got Taylor, Frankie, Paul reminder on an episode of Going Deep with a Drop yesterday. You must have heard of Mom Talk. I'm sure all of you listening have heard of the Mom Talk swinging scandal. Taylor, Frankie, Paul was center stage of that scandal. It is a messy, wild story. Finally, Taylor shares her story. No one really heard all the details.

I mean, there has been kind of rumors here and rumors there, but we finally got a chance to talk to Taylor. Very emotional. She really addressed everything. So be sure to check that out if you haven't already. Plus, next week on Going Deeper, we have the rest of the cast, the entire cast, except for one.

Whitney. Yeah. I know, the entire cast, except for one. Whitney. I know, I know. She was invited though. She was invited, but she wanted to do it separately, whatever, I don't know what that means. But the rest of the cast is here. It's a lot of fun.

We talk about the secret lives of the Mormon wives show. It's kind of a bit of a bit of a reunion, if you will, but obviously a very fast, I mean, we'll be covering this show. Comes out tomorrow. Over the next two weeks, we'll be covering two episodes per reality recap. Episodes one and two next week, Tuesday.

You know the drill, follow forward. It's on Hulu, check it out. It's really, really good if you like wives fighting, weird relationship dynamics, kids, babies. Interesting religious culture. Religious trauma. Religious trauma, sex, shame, all of that stuff. It's there, it's got it all.

Pretty much any TV Salt Lake City produces. I'm tuning in until further notice. I'm gonna move to Salt Lake City, or Utah. Oh my God. I'm already booking my tickets. I'm so sorry. So are you trying to say you're quitting or what's going on here?

I'll just go for a little bit, get some storylines, bring it back. Oh. Spice it up. The inside tea. Yes. Okey dokey, okey dokey, okey dokey. All right, household headlines.

Well, the new cast of Dancing with the Stars has been released. And I think for the first time ever, we have two contestants from Bachelor Nation. Joey, fan favorite, is on, and Jen Tran, formerly of just recently left at the altar, so to speak. This is the first time, I believe, that a Bachelorette ended up.

Well, I guess how would you, you had the Hannah Brown Jed situation. By the time it got to AFR, they were broken up, but I think technically she broke up with him. Did they also make her watch the engagement? That part. No. Cannot wait to get into that.

That's so fucking crazy. It's wild. It's so crazy. Anyways, Jen and Joey are on. And there's also some weird, some interesting picks. Well, there's always interesting picks. So we have Stephen the pommel horse guy from the Olympics. That's a great, that's a great.

Good choice. That's great, yeah. Anna Delvey. I'm here for this one. It's interesting. She's, has an ankle bracelet. She does. Not an ankle bracelet.

Will be dancing with an ankle bracelet. And she was a convicted con artist. She doesn't have an ankle on, okay? She has an ankle monitor. We'll be dancing with an ankle bracelet. And she was a convicted con artist. She doesn't have an ankle on, okay? She has an ankle monitor. Monitor, yeah. Well, because some people were making fun of the fact that her cast photo, she had the ankle monitor in it, but I'm like, so she's gonna Photoshop it?

She can't take it off. Yeah, it's stuck there. She's gonna be salsing with her ankle monitor. Do you think her location is jumping everywhere because she's dancing? Her PO is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, it's like an instant replay of her dance moves. It's just a GPS, her ankle monitor.

And then we have Phaedra Parks. Yes. She's in her redemption era. She is, she is popping up everywhere. Then we have Danny Amendola. Formerly of Special Forces. Yes, formerly of Special Forces. We should have him on and be like,

why didn't you finish Special Forces? He actually crushed it, but he did not. Ooh, Nick trying to start some tea with Danny. Some tea for Danny, yeah. Ilana, the rugby player. Love her, big fan of her. So funny. Chandler Kinney.

I love her. She's from Pretty Little Liars, original sin. That's the second. Yeah. Pretty Little Liars, okay. That's the second. Yeah. Pretty Little Liars. Okay, okay, okay. Then we have Eric Roberts. This is Julie Roberts brother.

Eric Roberts? The king of B movies? That Eric Roberts. Oh, we did talk about him. The father of Emma Roberts. Oh, okay, yes, yes. That's my horse. Eric Roberts is on?

That's pretty, that's a big deal. Is that? Brooks Nader. For me. Okay, pop off. So, Brooks Nader, a swimsuit model. Pop off queen. Reginald Valjonsson. Love that name. Reginald. Reginald.

Who's Reginald from? He's Carl Winslow in Family Matters. Really? Tori Spelling. Okay, girl. Fresh off not being invited to the funeral. Oh, whose funeral was that? I don't think she was named.

I think it was Jenny Garth and Alyssa Milano. Sorry, Tori. Oops. And we have Dwight Howard. Also on Special Forces. Interesting, do you think next, do you think next? Do they have Bring Me Back? Yes, do you think?

No. Or maybe Natalie. I don't think they have her. Wife of? I Me Back? Yes, do you think? No. Oh. Or maybe Natalie. I don't think they have her. Wife of. I don't think they. There you go. That was fast. I think I would love you Dancing with the Stars

and I'm not gonna pull a Sheena Shea here. I would absolutely take it. But I think my- What is your reality TV? Family feud. I need family feud. I need it. And the amount of people who send me Steve Harvey memes, I love it so much. I feel like we can I need family feud. I need it. And like the amount of people who send me Steve Harvey,

like memes, I love it so much. I feel like we can make this happen now. Maybe for my golden birthday. Hmm. Not just like Christmas, there's birthday next year. I could just ask Rob Mills, I'm like what level of fame do we need to be? We can not, we don't need to be celebrity family feud,

we can just be regular family feud. Sit in the crowd, be a random thing. Is that still a thing? Yes. I need to be celebrity family feud. We can just be regular family feud. Sit in the crowd. Is that still a thing? Yes. I've only seen celebrity. Okay. Well, us regular people.

Nor these. Watch the regular family feud. Okay, I'll work on it. Thank you. Who would be in our family feud? Me, you River? River hits the button, says nothing. Da da da da da da.

She is saying da da. She doesn't know. She's saying da da? She is. Oh, so you're her first word. Yeah. But she's not saying da da. She's saying da da da da da da da da da da da da da.

Do you know how happy Natalie probably would be if she was just going ma ma ma ma ma ma ma. No, I would be so fucking happy. And she's also started saying her in, so she's getting na na na na. And I was talking to my mom and she was like could you imagine if Nick's mom because she's Nana was sitting there She would be like Absolutely do that. I'm like, I'm pretty sure I heard She would I'm like do better. Oh

No Come on I like this lineup. I like this lineup. It could be fun. Well, I'm gonna try to read this headline. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't understand sports, but Indiana Fever versus Chicago Sky

becomes the most expensive game in the WNBA history, with an average ticket cost of $334. This is to see Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, right? Wow, good for them. Is that expensive for a basketball game? I mean, itlin Clark and Angel Reese, right? Wow. Good for them. Is that expensive for a basketball game? I mean, it's the kinds of period, right? Yeah. I don't know what the average cost of an NBA game is.

I haven't gone in a while, but that seems expensive. Yeah. That seems very expensive. Let's say that's the power of a good story. You have Kaitlin Clark, you have Angel Reese. Like they've been competing against each other since college. It's very a la like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird

back in the day where they competed at the finals. You know, I know you know this Justin. Right, I was like yeah. The NCAA tournament and he's nodding like yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they one played for the Celtics, one played for the Lakers and they were rivalries for a long time and now they're best friends. But they didn't like each other.

There's history behind it. There's history. But it's all about the story. You know, you gotta, why do people tune in? It's like even the NFL, like it's all about the story. You know, the Taylor Swift coming, you know, being a part of the NFL makes it more of an interesting story.

Or like who likes who, who doesn't like who. It's all drama. It's all sports is for sports fans. It's the drama. We love the drama. So whether you're a Housewives fan or an NFL fan, talk about the drama. And there's drama with the WNBA now.

Before it was like... Who do you think is gonna win? Kaitlyn Clark or Angel Reed? I think Kaitlyn Clark's team. I think Indiana is gonna win. Go Indiana. Go Indiana! Did you see Adele announced her indefinite break?

I did see that. That makes sense, good for her. Putting a pause on her life. How long has she been doing this residency? Well this one has been like two years, around two years since she released her last album. She was in Vegas though for a while, right? Yeah, she was in Vegas for a while

and she still kind of has the residency, right? But then she's traveling right now. So basically she said in Munich, she was like, I don't have any plans for new music at all. I want a big break after all of this and I think I wanna do other creative things just for a little while. Do you think we'll see her on like Ryan Murphy,

or American Horror Story? I think so. No, because she also went on to say, like I spent a while building this life, and I wanna actually live it for once. Oh, period. So I think it's like her last album, she like took a break from music,

got a divorce, stopped drinking and like alcohol, smoking for a while. Like now she's like, I wanna live that life. She wants to fuck around and find out. But even then that's phenomenal because I feel like she always takes breaks in between albums, like years in between. And then it's like, whatever her life experiences,

we get like whatever age that album is. And it's always just like hits straight to the heart, cuts to the core. So I said, I will be happy and I will patiently wait for 42. How much longer are we gonna wait for Rihanna to come out with a new album? Just curious on that.

I thought she announced it. She's making music. We know that. But we don't know what that means. She could be just like making beats being like, eh, I don't feel lyrics for this. I am also making music I'd like to announce. Are you?

Are you? On what? GarageBand? Yeah, no, I mean. GarageBand. River and I every day, we sing. Is it just me or are most husbands, when you listen to them try to play with the baby

that can't talk or can't really play yet, it's just kind of funny? Like yesterday, I'm like, okay, we're in the car and River's like, kind of getting a little pissed. I'm like, Nick, you've got to start performing. You've got to perform. And he's like, I don't want pissed. And I'm like, Nick, you've gotta start performing. You've gotta perform. And he's like, I don't want to perform.

I'm like, what is this? And like the way he like, he's- I don't like it out me like that. It's just like interesting the way like husbands and fathers like choose to like how- Don't know how to baby talk. Well, I just don't think you know.

Like if like when you're alone in her playroom with her, what are y'all playing? Like, what are you doing? I mean, whatever the mood strikes. She's dressing her up in a pink hat and a suit. We're making music. Did you like that outfit? I did like that outfit.

It was a power move. Literally. And her little feet fit into shoes. That is crazy that she can wear shoes now. That is crazy. Anyways, no, but I am curious. Like, what are y'all doing in there? What are you doing in there? I'm not gonna tell you because you're gonna be like,

same, I'm doing the same as you. We let her crawl, we play with her toys, we stand up, we sit down, we roll over. What's your favorite toy to play with River? I don't have a favorite toy. What's the one you always grab? Her phone. It is interesting that Nick grabs the,

like I know her like favorite toys, and then I'm like, Nick, will you grab some toys? What's the one you always grab? Her phone. It is interesting that Nick grabs the, like I know her like favorite toys and then I'm like, Nick, will you grab some toys and he grabs the most like. You're a better parent than my aunt. No, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that at all. It's just funny how like different, like the perspective of like parents are.

So you're grabbing the phone, what are you grabbing? Only because it makes noises and she likes it. Multipurpose. It is, yeah. And it is fun to be in the car when she presses the ring button and you're like, hello, hello, who is it? Pick up the phone.

Rivi, I'm calling. Four-year-old boy accidentally breaks a 3,500-year-old artifact in a museum, so there's that. Good transition. Thank you. I will say some people don't have museum etiquette. What do you mean by that? I think this is the kid's fault or the parent's fault. Oh, parents more than kids, but why is it out there?

Why is it's... Well, it's a museum. Like you go in there knowing that there's artifacts like sitting right there. A four year old. You can teach your four year old not to touch things. They make leashes for a reason. Like...

No, my mom used to say, we like had to keep our hands behind our back. Yeah. Never touch glass. If we walked in like stores or something, my mom would be say, we had to keep our hands behind our back. Yeah. Never touch glass. Or something, my mom would be like, you're not allowed to touch anything. Cause my brother was, my brother who is also very similar to Nick,

a bull in a china shop. I mean, like walks in and everything, things are breaking, things are cracking. So yeah, it was very, my mom was like, you do not touch a damn thing. Literally. You like sit on your hands. Like, and I was terrified.

Like I'd be like, I don't wanna know what happens when I touch things. I was like, people are gonna fall from the ceiling. I'm gonna go to kid jail. And this thing is like from between 2200 to 1500 BCE. So I'm like, this is like an ancient artifact. And then you told me that the museum said no problem. What's the E stand for in BC?

Before Common Era. Duh. Oh, I thought it was before Christ. So there's a religious version. So there's BC before Christ, and then there's AD. Yeah, so there's that. Where did Common Era come from? Common Era is like the non-religious version of,

Okay. I studied art history. Yeah, not everything's about religion. Not to be about religion, but like. Back in the middle broads age. So there is a Christ version of this date. But the common era is centered around. History alone.

Well no, but like does common era and before Christ use the same numbers of years? Like 2024. I believe the world starts at zero. It's common era isn't like written, I believe. Like we can track. It all means the same thing. Yeah, at the end of the day, yes.

They made up BC. It's all made up, yes. It's a way of tracking. Everything in this world is made up. You know? Wouldn't y'all agree? Someone just like was like, I think this could be fun. This is what an orange is.

Literally, let's call it an orange. What's the color orange? What even is the color orange? I think, let's call it an orange. What's the color orange? What even is the color orange? I think I thought about that all the time. Do you, what did you think when I was a kid? I was, I thought to myself, does an orange taste the same to you as it tastes to me? It doesn't, right?

Cause we have different taste buds. Guess we'll never know. Like what do you taste when you taste an orange? This reminds me of the like blue and black dress. Remember that? Oh my God. The black and whatever. Back in 2012 or whatever. The golden blue.? Oh my God. Or the black and whatever.

Back in 2012 or whatever. The gold and blue. Is it gold and white or is it black and blue? Mm-hmm, it was black and blue. It was definitely black and blue. I only saw gold and white. Anyone who said they saw gold and white was a pick me. Yeah.

They literally were like, oh, I don't see black and blue. Show it to me. I honestly remember. It's gonna be black and blue. It's gonna be black and blue. It's always been black and blue. I literally got into like an argument with one of my best friends about it because I was like, you're a liar. You're just fucking with me. I honestly remember. It's going to be black and blue. It's going to be black and blue. It's always been black and blue.

I literally got into like an argument with one of my best friends about it because I was like, you're a liar. You're literally lying. Oh, that's black and blue. Thank you. Well, there's another one that's no, but that's edited. That was a pick me. I think that that's still black and blue edited. And there's no white and gold in that photo.

There's a light in the top right corner. What you see? Don't fucking start Nick. You for real? The one on the left. Left? You see white and gold on that dress. The white and gold one. Be for real Nick.

Are you gaslighting me? You're fucking with me. No, you're fucking with me. It's blue and black. Point to the photo that you're, be serious, be serious. Touch the photo that's white and gold. That's not blue?

Huh? Nick, be serious. You think that's blue? You're gaslighting me. No, you're being ridiculous. You see black, the one next to it is black and blue. Maybe you're kind of far, bring it up, Dan. You don't, you're telling me you don't see black on that? This photo right here. Yes, Nick.

No. Nick! You're gaslighting me. Come on, honey. That's black and blue. Oh my gosh. That's gaslighting? Yeah, I was gonna say not him using gaslighting.

Literally. You're just wrong. What color, are you Yeah, I was gonna say not him using gas lighting. Literally. You're just wrong. What color, you're being serious right now. That has a light on it, and the light is making it a little bit lighter, but it's still black and blue. What? Nick. Are you color blind?

No. Okay. Just curious. Maybe. Maybe. How is, it's okay. I don't think it is. People still argue about it.

So in your defense, some people see it. No one sees it. I don't personally. You don't see a goal. I can see a black and blue dress that someone has tried to like shine a light on and edit it a little bit to make it look lighter. Okay.

But it's still black and blue. That is crazy to me that people still argue about that. We just did. It's so crazy to me. It's so crazy to me that Nick sees white and gold. You wanna kiss? Do you wanna kiss? Yeah, me too.

Your brother called 911 on you. No, you called 911. No, I called 911 on my brother. What would you do if River called 911 on the chicken nuggets? Cause she wanted chicken nuggets. Cause she wanted chicken nuggets. We answer the door. That's an easy way to get chicken nuggets. Cause she wanted chicken nuggets. Cause she wanted chicken nuggets. We answer the door. That's an easy way to get chicken nuggets.

We answer the door, opens up, it's a cop with chicken nuggets. Because River called 911 in order to chicken nuggets. Thank you so much. I, listen, I got my period, my cramps really bad. I just could not get in the car and go, really appreciate you bringing those. I think it's more so like,

I think they take children's calls incredibly serious, like no matter what, like when I called the police, I called the police on my brother because he hit me with a foam sword. And I was a foam, F-O-A-M everyone, foam sword. And I was like, oh, and my mom, we couldn't afford a babysitter. So my mom was like, y'all are, my mom had to work.

So she's like, y'all please take care of each other. And I called the police and I was like, my brother has hit me with a babysitter. So my mom was like, y'all are, my mom had to work. So she's like, y'all, please take care of each other. And I called the police and I was like, my brother has hit me with a foam sword. I think I'd probably just said sword. I don't think I said foam. And so like three cop cars show up and they come to the door and they're like, please bring out the weapon. My brother goes and gets this sword and brings it out. And the cops like, all right, let's call your mother. Where's your mother? How old were you guys? Oh, God, I don't know. I was like young of 10, maybe.

Damn. I had a similar thing to my best friend and I. We were playing with my phone, like my actual phone. She took it from me and I was like, give it back. And she was like, no. And I was like, give it back. And she's like, I'm going to call 911. But I'm the type and I was like, do it. Oh, like, give it back. And she's like, I'm gonna call 911. But I'm the type when I was little, I was like, do it. Like, do it.

Oh my God. She dials it, hangs up right away. But like, so they do take it. She takes it seriously though, because, or they take it seriously, because it disabled all of my parental controls. They called my mom, somehow they knew my mom's number. So they call my mom and they're like,

did your children just call 911? She walks into the room and she's like, did you call 911? Oh, she pissed. She was pissed. My best friend is still afraid to this day. Oh my God. No, I-

But they definitely take it serious. They do. I'd call 911. My brother would lock me out of the house and I'd call 911. Listen, I am sorry to those. You were keeping them in business. I was.

I was taking them away from the real crime. I'm very sorry to everyone in Auburn, Alabama, if you answered my. It's a quiet town. It was a quiet town. That's so crazy, because I feel like I watched a video in school and obviously grew up in Southern California

that I'm like, it was pretty much like taught to us that like calling the police for like anything was like, you do not do unless it's an emergency. And I remember watching a video that was like, cause they were talking about prank calling the cops or whatever, and how like they'll show up at your house and everything. And I was like, oh my God, that's an emergency. And I remember watching a video that was like, cause they were talking about prank calling the cops or whatever and how like they'll show up at your house and everything. And I was like, oh my God, that's so terrifying.

And it's just so interesting that I'm like, at the same time, they're like, you want chicken nuggets? Like I got your mom's number. Is everything okay? I mean, it's so, it's so cool, but it's just, it's so funny that I'm like, I was literally taught that that was like the number one thing you don't do. What city was this in?

My city? No, the chicken nuggets. The chicken nugget one? Spring Hill, Florida. Thanks, Zach. Anyway, there was a kid in Spring Hill, Florida did call 911 to order chicken nuggets, and the cops arrived with said nuggets.

Well, you also grew up in Southern California. Yeah. And like, they just, they're fighting real crime. I was gonna say there's real crime happening. You know? Isn't Florida the place where there's like weird headlines of like people getting arrested? There is crazy shit going on in Florida.

There's Florida man in your birthday. Yeah, so it's like, I mean. Yeah. Oh yeah, let's do that. What is Florida man in my birthday? August 31st, 2018, Florida man arrested for giving girlfriend a wet willy. Literally.

Wow. He got arrested for giving someone a wet willy? Honestly, I stand by that. Don't put your wet finger in my ear. That's gross. We got arrested for that? That's what it is. There must've been something else.

Florida man arrested, accused of giving girlfriend a wet willy. That's a whole nother headline, whole different news outlet. That's when you just. Yes. It's a pinky, right? I think it could be any finger. Yeah, really any finger.

Well, not a hack, but people thought it was a hack. There was a Chase Bank infinite money glitch. So basically this video went viral on TikTok showing this new life hack where you deposit your checks for large amounts of money at ATMs and then make a withdrawal for a smaller foot like a smaller amount. People started doing it, not realizing that this is check fraud. So they were doing it. They can't like, oh, free money, free money, pulling out like thousands of dollars, tens of thousands. Obviously Chase Bank like gets on this and they're like, stop doing this, this is check fraud.

And then the next day people had like negatives of like tens of thousands in their bank account. Yeah. Cause I thought it was free, hopefully didn't spend it. I'm sure some people did spend their money, but. I'm sorry, don't be stupid. Like ATMs are smarter than you. Like you cannot, the bank, come on, literally,

you cannot outsmart the bank. How old are these people? Adults. These are like grown ass adults and there were like lines outside of Chase Bank because people saw, cause the TikToks went viral. So people are showing up at Chase Bank just committing wire fraud. And then thinking that they got away with it

or that they duped the bank. And it's like, first of all, it's your account, idiots. Like it's literally attached to your account. So it shows that you wrote a check to yourself for a million dollars and then withdrew 50, $20,000. And that's what's so crazy. These people are withdrawing like thousands and thousands of dollars thinking they got free money.

That's how you know they're older too because they have checks. I have checks, but I'm like, people don't have that no more. They don't. They don't. They sit in like in a safe somewhere. Like one day these will be blow the dust off of them. Are you checking your Chase account right now? Yeah, no. He's like, oh shoot.

Because you went to the ATM. I'm messaging Peter Schrager. Oh, he's on his way. Oh, Jax. So Jax has come forward with a thirst trap photo and a diagnosis of bipolar. Was it a thirst trap? Well, it might not be a thirst trap photo and a diagnosis of bipolar. Was it a thirst trap? Well, it might not be a thirst trap.

He was sitting there black and white-ish. A pensive trap. A pensive trap. You know, it's a weird topic as we continue to talk about this story situation guy. Wait, is it a photo of him reading his journal or something? Yeah. Okay.

It's like a pensive. Yeah. He was sitting there and he was like, someone, quick, someone take this photo. It was candid. He was diagnosed a pensive. Yeah. He was sitting there and he was like, someone quick, someone take this photo. I was candid. He was diagnosed as bipolar. And PTSD. It is no long, I mean, it's, I don't know.

Again, we're just so used to Jax Taylor using this as an excuse for bad behavior. Should I read his caption? Sure. So we get the full story. So he captioned this post saying, a little over a month ago, I checked into intensive and patient treatment facilities,

scared of the unknown and what I would find out about myself. After many years of knowing something was wrong, but not knowing exactly what it was, I recently learned that I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and PTSD. It's been a lot to process and an emotional time for me. However, I've come home to my son with a newfound sense of peace. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared for the future, but my focus is just trying to be a better version of myself than I was yesterday. Mental health is a lifelong battle

of not letting it control you, but rather you learning to control it. Thank you everyone who has reached out in support, who has also shared their personal struggles with me. Your messages have helped me more than you know. And the post comes just a week after he was served the divorce papers from Brittany. Listen, I hope that he means all of this,

and I hate that he's been diagnosed with those two things. I can't imagine how hard and how much of a struggle that will be to learn about yourself and to continue to work through. And I hope he is serious when he says that he's trying to be a better version of himself than he was yesterday. I guess we'll see.

I just don't think anyone has an appetite for this to be an excuse for bad behavior. I know. And that's been his track record. Right. So we'll see. But this is the first time that he's actually gone to a facility.

He was there for how long? Couple weeks. Couple weeks. He got a real diagnosis. So hopefully that means that he's been given tools to understand himself. That's a very serious diagnosis bipolar. I mean, I think it requires or medication to stabilize.

I mean, I don't know nothing about it, but it's other than it's very serious and very hard to live with. And for the people around you to also, it'll be very interesting how they approach him on the Valley. What is his role? Do they bring him back now that he's out?

Do they pick up filming with him again? I hope not, you know, because again, it is a very serious diagnosis. So we'll see how serious Jax and the show and Bravo take it. You know, we'll follow their lead, Kana, in terms of how serious they take this because they just have such a history of using his storyline,

which takes away the seriousness of it. So, you know, but we wish him well. Hopefully he's doing well and hopefully he's healing and on a path to a healthier and happier life. I'd love to see a new version of Jax on my television. Joe Exotic did comment, take care of yourself. It will be OK. Joe Exotic comments on everyone's stuff. I'm talking to Joe Exotic. Tiger King. King Tiger King Tiger King. Yes. He did comment. He commented on Jack's post from prison

He's still there. I think he's out of prison pretty sure he's in prison. He's still there. Yes He has a phone. They have listen prison is not what it used to be. They've got tablets and shit That's kind of cool that he put commented. He comments on like a lot of Taylor Swift stuff, too I'm coming on us. He doesn't give a fuck about that. Yeah, he's still in jail. Yep, incarcerated. They got Instagram up in... They have tablets.

He's a Vanderfump fan? Yeah. Wow. So exotic. They probably have like super old seasons in prison. They have like screeners in there. Damn. I bet they do.

Do you think he is recamping along with us in Vile Files Plus? Should we have him on? He probably is. He probably is. We should have him zoom in. Yeah. All right. Well, again He probably is. He probably is. We should have him zoom in. Yeah. All right, well again, the NFL season is upon us. Peter Schrager is about to join us.

Listen, I don't know how many of you listening to this show are regular NFL fans, but now that we are in the NFL season, we're gonna have a little fun this season. And we're gonna incorporate a little bit of NFL talk, mostly just silliness and fun. The whole goal being whether you watch like I do, you'll get a little NFL talk or if you don't watch, it'll still be fun for you as well because we'll make it interesting. We'll make it easier for you to talk to people who are fans.

We're going to bring you more cultured. What's the best way of saying what? We're going to educate Sarah and I and the masses. Just like Natalie said, it's now you want to use my words. Just like Natalie said, the great way Natalie said, the candles, the fall, the trees. The NFL can be a family event. It can be a family event. And we're here to show you how to make a family event.

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Learn more at Huggies.com. Once again, head to Huggies.com to learn more. Peter, welcome to the show. I'm so thrilled to be here. This is something that you and I have been talking about, Nick, for quite some time. If I'm ever here on a weekday in LA, can we make it happen? We're going to make it happen. And I have to tell you, I do hundreds of hours of content every month on TV. I'm on multiple networks. I have a podcast. You guys announced on your last podcast

that Peter Schrager would be coming on. And my wife's best friend, one of her great friends, Anna. Anna. Anna Daniels, shout out, is like bugging out because her entire text chain of Michigan girls that they all, this is their show and this is where they go to, and it's like that I am crossing over like a different universe from sports to this. It's a major deal.

So we'll say hi to Sally Danto and of course Anna Daniels and the whole crew. That's it, University of the ladies. The lady. Well, we're excited to have you. I am super excited. Nick has not stopped talking about you, Peter. There's like a mutual man crush between the two of us. I am such a fan of his. And if I can just tell you a quick story of when my respect for Nick

went through the roof, I would like to. So we have this morning show, Good Morning Football. It's on NFL Network and it's just like wallpaper if you're a football thing. Just put it on. It's on for three hours every morning. I'm one of the hosts. We love it. I live in the football world where we're talking about backup tight ends and running backs and just really deep. And they're like, Nick is coming on and I'm like, and I've watched The Bachelor for a long time. So I knew who he was. I'm like, all right, great, cool. This is going to be interesting. He says he's a Packer fan. But we get so many quote unquote celebrity fans that are like,

I love the Ravens. And you're like, all right, what's fair play on the Ravens? I love them all. And it's like, just very generic. Or it's like, I'm a Jets fan. Well, what do you like about them? I like that they're from New York. It's just like, okay, you're a celebrity and you happen to know what football is. And that's fine. We'll have you on. But like, let's not fancy ourselves die a hard fan. He comes on and he's like, can I just make a point? You know,

Alan Lazard is the best blocking wide receiver in football. And now let me tell you something. Alan Lazard is a sixth round pick who is from the practice squad from Iowa state that was barely on the field. And my other three co-hosts have no idea who Alan Lazard is. And like we made eyes over the table. I'm like, this is my kindred spirit. This is my guy. He is a hard core,

he is a real celebrity hardcore fan. And since then, there's all the texts, whatever. And he was also early on saying, Jordan Love should get an opportunity. It's time to rip the band-aid off and move on from Roger. So this guy knows his football. And I think we have great appreciation for each other. It is my, uh, it's how I nerd out.

It's my Dungeons and Dragons. I will listen to literally any Packer podcast. I don't care who's making it. I can't get enough. He's always reading some Packer article. He's always. I've read the same article twice. So for those of you who don't know, and include the household here,

but for all the people listening, Peter is the NFL insider of NFL insiders. Like, first of all, how did you become an NFL insider? Because you are in fact living my dream. Oh, wow. Peter has predicted the Super Bowl winner in the past... No, it's been the last three years the winner, but I've had the matchup like the last five years.

So I'm very... That's pretty impressive, Peter. But I've got a great foresight into like the crystal ball on what's gonna win. But as far as insider, what that means, I'm sort of a gossip monger in a way of I know little things that the viewer at home and the fan doesn't, and I kind of sprinkle it out here and there.

But really what my foothold is in the NFL is I've become boys and it's friends with a lot of the GMs and coaches and the coach of the Rams, Sean McVeigh. I was at his wedding and then Cliff Kingsbury was the old coach of the GMs and coaches and like the coach of the Rams, Sean McVeigh, like I was at his wedding. And then Cliff Kingsbury was the old coach of the Arizona Cardinals. How do you feel about Matt LaFleur?

Yeah, ask him who texts who today. Yeah, so I... Matt texts Peter. He did. We text often and Matt and his beautiful wife, Brie, they're living a lovely life up there in Green Bay. If I have to hear one more time how hot Matt LaFleur is. So let's talk about that. What's his wife's name, Brie? Brie. Brie, babe, you, you've done well for yourself. life up there in Green Bay. If I have to hear one more time how hot Matt LaFleur is. So let's talk about that.

What's his life name, Bree? Bree. Bree, babe, you, you've done well for yourself, as have I. So a lot of, yes, so a lot of. I don't feel that way when I'm watching the backers. Matt wasn't always that guy. I feel like Matt's had a glow up of late. Has he?

He's got like this, like he's like the hot coach now, but like when he came into the league and he was starting off and he was with Washington, like McVeigh was the hot coach now, but like when he came into the league and he was starting off and he was with Washington, and McVeigh was the hot guy and Kyle Shanahan was the hot guy and people like Robert Sala with the muscles. But now I think he's the resident hot coach. And I hear this time and time again, like, I don't see him that way. Zach, can you bring up early pictures of Matt LaFleur?

I like this. Let's look up Washington, Matt LaFleur. Because now I'm like, wait, show them again, show them again. I, it was too fast. Yeah. I'd like, wait, show him again. Show him again. It was too fast. Yeah. I'd like to say that overall, the coaches in the NFL, there is a good looking group of men. When he comes on my screen on Sundays,

it's not like Matt LaFleur's good looking. I hear, oh, wow, he's hot. He definitely has it. Take that second photo. Let's look at that second photo. Is that the hot coach? Yeah. No, this is glow up.

Like this is. Yes, he's this is glow up. Like this is. Yes, he's had a glow up. Right? Like, and I think he likes it. He wears it well and he's, he's embracing it. But you know, I love it that he's the guy now. He's the one. Show him now.

So Sierra can see. I was like, no, no. Yeah, Sierra's like, yes. Packers 2024, Matt LaFour. 2024. Let me see this. He's got a little facial hair. He looks like a good daddy now.

Thank you, Justin. He's also got a way about him, and Nick, I think you'd agree, he's got a little edge to him. The reporters come at him, he bite back. He has a little sass. He's got a lip, always a little something in the lip. He's like a dude's dude.

Wow. Okay, good for Brie. Yeah, Brie's killing it. Love you, Brie. And he's killing it. Brie's great too. I know your big, and your predictions, Okay, good for Bree. Yeah, Bree's killing it. Love you, Bree. And he's killing it, Bree's great too. I know your big, and your predictions, well, this will drop tomorrow. Okay.

But I think it drops technically before you make your predictions. Okay. So we don't want to spoil that. You made some picks already. You predicted the teams that will go into the playoffs. Yep. Are Packers in that?

Yes. Okay. Yeah, but what number? But there's only seven teams out of the NFC that make the playoffs, and I have the Packers as the seventh team, which did not go over well with Packers Nation because there's a lot of hype.

Matt, that's why Matt texted. Hello, Matt was like, what the fuck? Yeah, and I was like, what the fuck? Eight. And it hits a little bit different when the guy who's predicted the past three Super Bowl winners, that prediction hits a little different. Cause people want to know, like, is it like-

So you're just predicting that they will play in the playoffs? They'll make the playoffs, and they might make a wild run to the Superbowl. I haven't predicted it yet. He hasn't predicted it yet. And the last time Packers won the Superbowl, they were the sixth seed when there was only six teams. My big issue is that now there's seven and you have,

listen, Detroit's in their division. So like, listen, Detroit might win. I love how in the weeds this is. Go on. Detroit might win the division. That's fine. But why seven? Why not six?

Why not five? Why not, why not the top wild card? A couple teams, Seattle, which is like a wild pick. No one's picking Seattle. I have them over the Packers. Yeah, you did. So, like, for Nick and the Packers fans who are expecting, like, Super Bowl this year. Like, we got to the second round last year. We're gonna either go to the championship game or the Super Bowl.

We're getting there. For me to say seven, it is a bit of a slight against a team that has had a lot, a lot of hype this off season. There is a lot of hype. I think the division's loaded. Tell me why, tell me why the Packers won't win the Superbowl. Not that you're predicting it, but like reasons why you don't think they will. It's been a summer with a lot of young guys reading about how great they are. And one of them, the quarterback who I think is as grounded as they come was

handed the biggest contract in the history of the NFL after one season. And I think there's a tendency and a possibility when you're young and you're wealthy and you're famous and this is applicable to your world that you guys talk about and it's applicable to the NFL that you don't have that same hunger as to when no one believes in you and no one's talking about you and you're just trying to scratch to get by. I'm not saying there's gonna be a malaise. That's on our coach, Matt LaFleur, to kind of bring that out of them

and make sure there is no step back. But I think following the league long enough, there's a tendency for that hot young team that finished so good and is so young, as the Packers are, to maybe start the season a little slower because they think it might be handed to them a little differently than it was. I hear you on that.

Is that a good explanation? No, no than it was. I hear you on that. Was that a good explanation? No, no, it's very good. It makes sense. But like, can't they have like a couple tough games and then wake up? Like counterpoint, do they need to go- Like a couple tough games, gives them the hunger to go back. A wake up call.

That's what the Chiefs had last year. I can see they need a wake up call. Now do you feel confident week one, they're going to Brazil to play? First time ever the NFL is going to Brazil. Seems like a lot of Brazilians are Packer fans. Yep. For some reason, there's a connection there. I don't know the history, but apparently they're like the local team. Same kind of color flag, right?

Similar. Green is involved. But the Eagles are green. Green and are the, yeah. And they play the Eagles. Do you feel confident? I mean, listen, it's week one. As we know in week one, it's the most untrustworthy week in terms of how to evaluate your team, right? My colleague Kyle on the show says week one is a liar.

It is. Don't believe it. It is, right? Don't believe it. Some people play in the pre-season, some people don't. Like, how in shape are these guys? A lot of outliers. So I'm just excited for football to start.

I will say that. I just think you make a valid point about the Packers overall history. Something about this team in this locker room, they seem very, they seem very committed to winning. They seem like they really want to win what Brian Goodenken has done. Okay. Tell them who Brian Goodenken is. This is like so good. Imagine, seriously. Yeah. Imagine Vanderpump. No, go on. All right. Give, yeah, imagine Vanderpump. No, go on, all right, break this down. Give me this in like terms I know.

Okay, all right. So Brian Gudekens, Lisa Vanderpump. Oh. Yep, puts him, builds the whole. He's the GM. He picks who's. Are you with us? The casting director, if you will.

Okay. He's been on a heater. You know, imagine if he's cold. Yes, he's been sitting on a heater because it's cold in Green Bay. Yes. Imagine if Lisa Vanderpump. This is great.

Was also cold. Casted, like she got to pick her cast and casted the likes of Stacey Schroeder, Jax, all the cast. But then think of some other really great reality TV stars that are just kind of like stars, iconic. He's been really crushing it on his draft. And imagine, if I can go one step further,

took the biggest star with everyone saying, this star is all-encompassing and is the reason why we're so good. This star is a star. And said, I'm actually good without that star. And facing the heat from the fans, and then them being better the next year without him. I feel like he traded right Stasi.

Like, and traded him away and everyone was like, you can't do that. How could you? Did it. And then they were like outstanding, more fun, less drama and just not toxic. Are we talking about Rodgers here? Yeah. So anyways, but what he has done is he's drafting guys who truly love football.

He's drafting captains. He's drafting guys who love the game. Character people. High character people. And I think, you know, there's a lot of GMs who fall in love with the athletes. They fall in love with the stats and they draft guys that quite frankly, like don't love their job. And there's a lot of people out there

who don't love their job. And at the end of the day, for a lot of players, correct me if I'm wrong. I'd say 50% of them don't even watch football. It's a job. They're just really great athletes. I'm going to make a lot of it. They're just really great athletes. I'm gonna make a lot of money and I'm gonna get out.

Yeah, and the Packers are not drafting those players anymore. And I think they'll have some ups, they'll have some downs, they'll have some growing pains, they'll have some young team moments. I still might pick them to go to the Super Bowl. I know. I'm not down on them, I just said. I know, I know, but seven.

You make it seem like there's a- Do we think AJ Dillon is gonna continue to get us- I love this. AJ Dillon done for the year. He make it seem like there's a- Do we think AJ Dillon is gonna continue to get us across? AJ Dillon, done for the year. He's done. He might be done forever. He's out? He has a stinger.

What's a stinger? A neck injury, very serious. So they've moved on and they've got this guy. So who's our AJ Dillon? It's Josh Jacobs, who is an absolute beast. And then Marshawn Lloyd, you gotta like both these guys. Two new players. Gotta love them.

Hey, that's exciting. Two new players. Yeah, it's very exciting. So they moved on from Aaron Jones, who was like one of the greatest players of his generation, beloved Packer. But just like we're talking about with Rogers, they were like, we're going to go younger.

They got this 24-year-old Josh Jacobs, who went to Alabama and is fantastic. She gripping over. OK, sorry. The state. You were trying, yeah. Played in the state of Alabama. OK, woo! Yay!

And is 24 years old and is like a superstar and is feeling slighted because his old team didn't want to pay him. So it's like, here we are. What about Devonte Adams? Plays for the Raiders, babe. Oh my God. Keep up.

I'm sorry, you know, you get attached to them and you learn them and then you blink and they're gone. Isn't it crazy? How do they do it so fast? Romeo still plays for the Packers. Oh, thank God, Romeo Dobbs. Yes, I love you, Romeo Dobbs. Romeo Dobbs. attached to them and you learn them and then you blink and they're gone. It's how, how do they do it so fast? Oh, thank God Romeo Dobbs. Yes, I love you know Romeo Dobbs. Romeo Dobbs.

Are you a big Dontadian Wicks fan? He was in my vows, wasn't he? He was. What'd you rhyme Dobbs with? Romeo thou Romeo. I don't know if it is, it is, it is. It was unfortunately a slight, a little slight to Romeo. I love this, it's in your wedding vows.

Only because that was the only one I could think of. I didn't know who had been traded. I was nervous and I was stressed. I love that you picked him. I picked him. And it's because Nick always says, catch the fucking ball. Romeo. Not even Romeo, but like every once in a while

when a pack of receiver drops a ball, I'm like, catch the fucking ball. You know, and I swear and I yell and I get mad. Yeah, so I put that in my thoughts. Anyways, so how do we feel about Taylor Swift? Yeah, Taylor Swift was a wonderful addition to the NFL. It was a wonderful addition to our show. We suddenly had new viewers from all over

because they were like, all right, I like this football. And I know Travis pretty well. I've known Travis for many years. And then every summer I do a charity event in Kansas City called the Big Slick and it's run by Jason Sudeikis, Paul Rudd, Eric Stone Street, Heidi Gardner, big Hollywood celebrities and they bring in the Chiefs and Kelsey and Mahomes have been a part of it for years and Kelsey's the fucking man. He's so cool and he's legit and I was worried this off season. I'm like, all right, I've known him for 10 years,

covering him cool as hell. And I'm like, all right, let's see what this guy, is he gonna come in and start, you know, who knows? Diva, this summer he was so cool, so down to earth. And like, he doesn't have to attend this thing. This is a charity event. It's for a children's hospital in Kansas City. And Travis not only attends it, like goes the extra mile, he's throwing footballs to

kids, he's doing comedy bits, and he takes the piss out of the whole Taylor Swift thing. Like Sudeikis and Rudd and these guys, they're busting chops and he's cool with it. He's confident in himself. So I think he's an awesome dude. I hope it all works out for them. But like for her to enter the NFL, I know a lot people were like, resistant, like get her off the screen. I want to look at my football. That's Neanderthals talking.

Like it's the dumbest thing. If she added one more viewer, whether it be a boy, girl, whoever that like is now suddenly interested in the storylines of football, I think that was really cool. It was really cool. Any tea on any like celebrity dating NFL players out there. Who's the next Taylor Swift to enter in maybe the NFL? Cause I feel like Taylor's really made dating NFL players kinda cool.

So there's a couple of cool couples. I think Simone Biles and Jonathan Owens is cool. Former Packer. Jonathan Owens used to play for the Packers. What did you make of Simone showing up in a Packers coat at Bears practice? She goes to a Bears pre-season game and she's wearing a coat that's got pictures

of Jonathan all over it. And he used to be a Packer, but there's giant Packers logos all over it. So goes to a Bears preseason game and she's wearing a coat that's got pictures of Jonathan all over it. And he used to be a Packer, but there's giant Packers logos all over it. So that's a faux pas, but I'm not going to crush her. She don't care. She's Simone Biles. She's Simone Biles. Kyle Juszczyk and his wife, Kristen are a cool couple. She's the one who designs these awesome outfits

out of the jerseys and Taylor was wearing a bunch of those. I've known Kristen forever. She's a Long Island girl. She's cool as shit. I believe she listens to the show. Does she? All right. So she's been awesome. I'm trying to think. I'm going blank. Is there any quarterbacks that are dating celebrities right now other than that?

Quarterbacks. Well, we got Russell Wilson dating Ciara. They're married. They're married. Yeah, dating. Russ has taken a hit, like, as far as, like, reputation wise, because now he's onto his third team in four years. He's got the starting quarterback at the Pittsburgh Steelers. If he's good, he's bigger than ever. How do you feel about Will Levis?

I love Will Levis. Wait, is he like a guy? He's dating my best friend, Victoria Fuller. Will's the man, all right. Now, Will is from Madison, Connecticut, small town up in Connecticut, an absolute physical specimen, but another guy, very self-aware. I'm sure you know this, but for the listeners, he came out of the draft and he

should have been a first round pick and he slipped to the second round. I thought that was BS. I thought he was awesome in the pre-draft process, but whatever reason, he slipped. One of the things I said that he was quirky with was some of these weird eating habits that he has. Will Levis, apparently, eats a banana and then eats the peel as well. What? And that's why he fell in the second round? He also reportedly, and this is what he said during like his interviews with teams, he puts mayonnaise in his coffee.

Ew. No, wait. Now here's why I respect Will Levis. Everyone shits on him. They say, what a weirdo. That's so strange. He goes out there. He balls out in his rookie season.

He's going to be the starting quarterback. The Titans love him, all that stuff. This off season, Sign's a huge deal with Hellman's doing commercials for mayonnaise. And he's like, I'm leaning into it. I'm not running away from it. That's a man who's comfortable in his skin. That's a green flag. And I love the fact that he did fall to the second round because he's been disrespected,

has a chip on his shoulder. And I think he is a green flag. And I love the fact that he did fall to the second round because he's been disrespected, has a chip on his shoulder. And I think, I think he is a smooth cat. I really got to know him from afar. His offensive coordinator in college was a guy named Liam Cohen. Liam is now at the Buccaneers as their offensive coordinator, but he raves about what Will Levis was about back in his college days.

So like, I'm cool with that. If you're a cool kid in college and you're the big man on campus and you treat everyone great, you're going to have a good NFL career. about what Will Levis was about back in his college days. So like, I'm cool with that. If you're a cool kid in college and you're the big man on campus and you treat everyone great, you're gonna have a good NFL career. Do you think Will will get that desired second contract? Oh, it's early.

It is early. This is a huge year. He got the right coach, Brian Callahan is a new offensive coach who was Joe Burroughs coach for many years on the offensive side of the ball. And I love his new OC guy named Nick Holes. So like the right people are there. He's in the right situation.

Calvin Ridley, he's got weapons. What's his girlfriend's name? Victoria Fuller. What's her story? She was on bachelor. Okay. She was on Peter. And she is the one time who famously canceled her own hometown.

She did. She, okay. She's a, she's, she's a firecracker. You like her? Love her. Funny. She's great. Cause he a firecracker. You like her? Love her. You love her. Funny? She's great.

Oh, hilarious. Cause he's got a big personality, but like he's not a- Not bigger than Victoria. Okay. She's the funny one. And they're publicly a couple. Yes, they are. Oh, you guys can have a Will and Michelle.

He's posting her left and right. He hard launched the relationship. We're going to the Tennessee's backer game and then out to dinner. And I promise I would. Where is that Nashville or Green Bay? Nashville. I wanna come to this.

Please come, we're begging. What week is that? 22nd, September 22nd. All right, I love that. Bring your wife. I will, Erica's coming. Erica's coming. We'll tear it up.

Yeah, a little triple date. What do we think of Nashville as a city? I feel like it's a big bachelorette city. We love it. We feel very strong. It's good, okay, cool. We love. Yeah you guys, what do we think of Nashville as a city? I feel like it's a big bachelorette city. We love it. We feel very strong. It's good, okay, cool. We love, yeah. Hopefully we'll be there one day.

I know. Interesting, so, okay, cause like I've tried to explain to Natalie when we found out Victoria was dating Will. Yeah, cool guy. But like, he's got a- Nick was like, this is a big season. Like the next three years will change his life forever.

The next year is very important. Very if he gets out to a good first season as a starter, because he was the backup last year for most of it, like his life is like set because they want him like the entire the ownership group. Like they moved on from a head coach. I was there for many years, Mike Vrabel, and they went out of their way to hire this like really smart, offensive minded quarterback whisperer coach to make the most out of Will Levis.

So they're all in. So he's got all the tools now. And even if he's like average. He'll get the big contract. The 50 million. But it's gotta wait. It's not gonna happen this year. How do you know if he'll be good this season?

Because they don't play in pre-season games. No, yeah, so from everything you hear, I talk to Brian and Nick, who's his offensive coordinator. They're like, this guy's the dude. He's the man. So I'm in that's a clear arrows pointing up I think they're like a sleeper team to in the AFC the Tennessee Titans wait someone who? Jamie Erdahl my coach picked me go to the playoffs, which is a really big ask in a loaded AFC But like I think Levis is is is the real deal He had a play last year

Where he like trucked a dude and that's something that a quarterback wouldn't usually do. When I say truck, I like you run over someone and it was against the Dolphins. And it was a big comeback on Monday night. It was this wild game and quarterbacks usually the divas. They don't want to get hit. They run out of bounds. And like Will Levis lowered his shoulder

and like lowered the boom or whatever the term is. And it was like, Victoria's like, that's my man. Victoria's like, all right, Will. You you predicted Aaron Rogers is going to win MVP. I did 41 years old coming off an ACL. Yes. I that's a smart pick because all they have to do is make the playoffs and he just has to be Aaron Rogers.

Is there okay. So in the reality TV world, this is going to sound very insulting, but is there a person or a group or even just losers for years? Just like you watch it and it's just, oh, and you don't want to say names. It's fine. That's the Jets fan base. It has been 13 years since the Jets went to a playoff game. Last year, they were so excited. Rogers is this MVP coming to the team four plays into the season. He goes down with an injury, misses the entire season. They suck. And they spent the entire off season this year with like no one talking about them. But quietly Aaron Rogers is in the best shape of his life.

They added all these new players around and I'm like, no one's talking about Rogers and no one's talking about the Jets. So I'm hanging my name on Aaron Rogersgers. Big comeback season and for Jets fans who have been just plagued with just miserable. I mean, think about the toughest losses you've watched him suffer with the Packers. Think about that for like 20 years. That's the Jets fan base just constantly being punched

in the gut. And then this Rodgers thing last year, I think they're gonna be really good. And I think Rodgers 41 is gonna win. If the NFL is scripted, which I don't think it is, but people love to speculate. Reality TV being scripted and fake. People love to speculate about the NFL. What is the NFL's dream Superbowl? Let's take the Taylor Swift element out of it. Even so, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce and Andy Reid going at it again.

And then that big, beautiful blue star from Dallas. That's their dream. Their dream. I mean, you get the Cowboys fan base. It's truly America's. It's not the best story necessarily, but if you can bring in Jerry Jones to New Orleans where the Super Bowl is and his cast of characters and it's Cowboys Chiefs, which has great history from, you know, the Chiefs started off as a team in Texas.

I mean, it would be a mega one. Where does Packers versus Jets, Rogers versus the Packers fall into? That would be unbelievable. In New Orleans where the Packers won a Super Bowl. Yeah, in 96. Yeah, that would be special. Packers Jets would be massive, but I think Packers Chiefs,

which was Super Bowl I, would be epic as well. So it's good. Who is your team? I grew up a New York Giants fan. I grew up in Freehold, New Jersey, the Jersey Shore, and I grew up a diehard Giants fan, and I was the kid that would have football almanacs and football cards, and I would just memorize statistics

and memorize where the players went to college, and everyone would be like, that's a weird hobby, and now I'm doing it for a living. So that's my story to all of you at home. How did you get into it? I didn't go to school to be a broadcaster. I graduated Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia with a political science degree.

My parents were like, all right, you'll go to law school. And I'm like, yeah, let me see. And I was a freelance sports writer for many years. And I wrote a big story on Victor Cruz for GQ magazine. Victor Cruz was this cool, giant wide receiver who did a salsa dance and he had a little flare to him. And he was like the first like-

Undrafted free agent. Undrafted free agent at a UMass, like the first like Latino American, like superstar in New York city for football. And I wrote this like 200 word article. It was like whatever, but it was a cool, cool shot and he liked it. And then they go on to win the Super Bowl.

And about two weeks later, I get a call from his agent, some big Hollywood firm. They're like, Victor just got a major book deal and he doesn't want to write it with some old man that's like a beat reporter from the Giants. Doesn't want to write it with someone. He's like, he wants to write it with the kid who wrote the GQ article.

Would you want to write a book with him? So I was like, sure. So for like three months, I would take a train. I was living in New York City to like suburban New Jersey. I would be with him. I would be sitting there. He'd be playing video games. I'd be like with a recorder on like, just tell me your life story.

And then we went up and like we went into like where he grew up in Patterson, New Jersey, wrote the book. We felt like he's a brother of mine. We had an amazing time. Book's a New York Times bestseller. It's a huge hit. And then Fox, who I'd been writing for for years, was like, do you want to try out being a sideline reporter, like Aaron Andrews? So I did sidelines for years and I was doing well there. And then NFL Network called and was like, we're doing a morning show out in New York. would you want to be one of the hosts? And the rest is history.

Wow. Yeah. Magical. Victor made my career. That's pretty good. I met him before. Cool guy. Really, really nice guy.

Really cool guy. And he's made a cool like post-playing career where he's like a fashion influencer and is into golf. So he's the man. Yeah. Peter's a big deal in the NFL, but I think his star's only beginning to get right. He's a big deal. Like he's, right now you're having a bunch of people starting to fight over Peter.

He's the young, talented guy. You got your Ian Rappaport. Different vibes. So like there's guys, so let me explain. So like Ian Rappaport works for me, good dude. And Adam Schefter is on ESPN and Jay Glazer is on Fox. And these guys break news. So what they do is it's like, boom, Jordan Love got a new contract, first one to it. And it's massive, important job. And those guys are awesome at what they do. I like to the next 24 hours kind of tell you how it all went down. So I'll be like, all right, so this is what happened.

Like here, let me tell you the story behind it. I like to consider myself a storyteller. Yeah. And like the other guys, again, respect them, love them. They're not asked to do that stuff. But Peter's like the guy who's like, yeah, I was hanging out with him. I was there.

I'm the fly on the wall. Wow. And he's like, homies with all of them. It's a great angle. There's like this whole generation of coaches that I kind of grew up with in the industry. So I mentioned McVeigh, which his wedding, LaFleur, we had a blast at McVeigh's wedding.

It was like a who's who of NFL coaches. And I was at the table with them and it was great. It was a couple of years ago, but like my guys, it's, you know, Cliff Kingsbury. Do you know Kingsbury? I think he'd be a really fun guest to have on this thing. So Cliff is, I hope he doesn't, he's a single guy, really good looking. He lived in Arizona where he was the head coach of the Cardinals. How old is he? It's like 42, 43. Has a really, really cool life story where he's like, he loves football, but when football season's not going on, he is just an awesome dude who hangs with DJs and comedians and

lives a real life. Bachelor life. Yeah, but not in a- Douchy way. Yeah, and not in a look at me way, but really tight with him and we celebrated his birthday this year. Like, this isn't me and a lot of NFL fans like, ugh, stop name dropping. Who gives a... Like, but out of that becomes,

all right, let me give you information that's gonna help you follow the game that you're not gonna get anywhere else. And that's kind of my niche. Wow. Yeah, no. I'll be like, Nick, what do you want for supper? And he's like, well, Peter, you're gonna get this. And I'm like, okay. Told you. It's a mutual love affair. Do you think Jaden Daniels will?

Yes. Yes, I'm Jaden. Yeah, rookie. Should I have drafted him? Yes, in your fantasy league, yeah. I tried to draft Bijon, because I know you, I saw you said, I saw you said pick him number one.

Unbelievable, doubt, does fantasy football, does that take over in any way or not really? I'm pretty chill. He's pretty chill about it, but it is just like, it's an imaginary game. It's an imaginary team. It's all just like in your head, like so silly. I'm way more of a football fan than a fancy football fan. Because I'll get, and I said this, and I mean this,

I will get a once a year text from like 10 people on my phone, usually the bags that I don't want to even talk to being like, yo, give me your fantasy sleepers. And I'm like, I don't work for you. I don't like, if you don't talk to me, except for that one day where you have your fantasy draft, you ain't my friend. And also, I don't really do the fantasy football as much.

Fantasy football is kind of like, for me, I understand it because it gives you camaraderie and the sure. Can you win money? So why don't you do it? I feel like you'd be the one to be the winner. I can, I work for the league. You've got credibility. And all that stuff.

But I would say, I'm curious. Who's your league with? Is it high school boys? Is it is it reality stars? I have a league with my hometown friends. Love that. And then a bunch of bachelor guys. OK. And the bachelor draft, I think, is tomorrow.

Please tell me it's in person. I love it in person. Unfortunately, no. How fun would that be? Who's in the let me hear the roster of these guys. Let me hear the bachelor. Yeah, we got Jason Tardik. OK. Got Matt James. We got Yeah. We got Jason Tardik.

We got Matt James. We got Jared. We got Tyler. I met Matt James at an event. What a cool guy. Really great guy. Wake Forest also. Played Ball.

Okay, sorry, I interrupted. I like Jason too. What's his wife's name? They do good stuff on Instagram. Well, they're, they're, they're ended it. They ended that relationship. They did. He's got a new girlfriend.

Her name's Kat. I'm talking about Kat. I'm talking about Kat. I love Kat. I'm's Kat. I'm talking about Kat. I'm talking about Kat. I'm team Kat. Hell yeah. Team Kat. Oh God. All right, this is good.

This is good. Who else do you have? Tyler Cameron? I like this because I'm Tyler, right? Tyler's a stud. Tanner's gotta be in it. Tanner's in there. I saw Tyler at a golf event this summer.

He's an incredible looking man. He's also a great golfer. Great guy, great dude. Really good looking. We were at the St. James Open. It was a nice tea company that they invited us. And you have to play in this next summer. It's great. It's in Jersey. Okay. Do you play golf? I play. Do you? Ben Higgins. I like Ben. Yeah.

Ben's from Indianapolis, if I remember. He is. I remember watching his season. I liked him. Now you're showing off. Andrew Spencer. Don't know Andrew. And one of the head producers. What a great lineup that is. To me as a consumer, Nick, film that and monetize it. I would love to watch you guys all eating

wings and having chips and like BS. We should get together. We all should get together. That is a great event. It's tough for all kind of lot of us in our dad life. That's the event. I know. We should. That's the event.

Aren't people gonna be in town this weekend for that wedding? Yes, who's getting married? Should we get everyone together and film a little content for Famous Football? A grocery store Joe's in there as well. We love Joe. Grocery store Joe.

Joe Mobley, grocery store Joe. You don't know him? No, that one's, there's a couple seasons I'm in. That's okay, that's okay. That's okay. You did really good. You knew Ben was from Indiana, that's strong.

What was the race car driver? Ari. Ari. Not in. He's not in You did really good. You knew Ben was from Indiana. That's strong. What was the race car driver? Ari. Ari. Not in. It's not in the league. It's not in the league. Ari, the race car driver from Arizona. I remember these guys.

I go back to Mesnick in Seattle with the walking on the water. I remember all that. Yeah. The Basher still goes back to Mesnick too. They're like, it's the, what's the one relationship that's still together. Bring them back. They do that.

All right, before we let Peter go, we have a game. We're gonna do this every Thursday now. Oh my gosh. On Reality Recap. Every Thursday, that's a big commitment. We're gonna pick two NFL games. Okay. We're gonna pick two NFL games.

How about you say we're gonna try it this week and if it works, you know, that's a huge commitment. That is it. It's 22 weeks of content, like the viewers just. I wanna find a way for our audience who is mostly women. Women watch sports. I don't know how much of our audience are NFL fans, but for all the people who don't watch,

we're still gonna make it fun. I love this. We're gonna make it fun. It's called the NFL matchups based off vibes. Based off vibes. So we're gonna pick two games every week. Peter and I are gonna pick who we think are to win based off of NFL L.A. Love that.

Justin, Sierra, and Natalie are going to pick the games based off of vibes. Sierra's face just went blank. Natalie has an advantage. I'm serious. You know something. I know a little something. I know nothing.

Well, that's okay. We'll win. Do you ever, do you probably don't even, are you even allowed to bet? No. Yeah. League employee cannot bet on the game. You would make so much money.

No, I'd probably lose a lot. That's it. That's good. Honestly, it probably would affect his picks. It would just, you're biased. It would get you better. It also was pretty arrogant of me. I'm like, I'm above betting on games.

Like I just, I know too much. You, I mean, picking five of that Super Bowl matchups in a row is great. Very proud of myself. Pittsburgh Steelers versus the Atlanta Falcons. Random game, I love that. All right. Let's see, we got Russell Wilson is dating or married to

I think married. Pop star Sierra. He's married. Yeah. He's married. Okay. It is owned by the- I love it when you want to step. There you go.

Everybody want to step. Oh, okay. You know I want to step. I do, I be stepping. A bit of a quarterback controversy in Pittsburgh. You have Russell Wilson, Super Bowl winner, but hasn't been playing very well lately. Is starting, but his backup is waiting in the wings.

First round draft pick, formerly Chicago Bears quarterback, Justin Fields. Justin Fields, I've heard that name before. He's the old Bears quarterback. We like the name Justin. We like the name Justin. But Russ was named the number one guy, but it's kind of like short leash, we think.

Little fun fact about Pittsburgh Steelers. They were featured in the movie The Dark Knight with the joke. Hines Ward actually had a little cameo in there. Bill Cower, yep. Yeah. Okay, so movie stars. Movie starso in there. Bill Cower, yep. Yeah. OK. So movie stars.

Movie star. Movie stars. Can I give one more Pittsburgh? I like giving a little stuff. Can we give one more Pittsburgh thing? Their offensive coordinator, which is like the guy who calls the plays, is the head coach of the Falcons last year and is facing a team that he knows inside and out. His first game?

His first game is the... Immediately Steelers. OK, well, I... But then some Falcon fans would say, he's fired for a reason. Like, oh, yeah. He did lose his job. He lost his job.

He didn't leave, they fired him. They fired him. It definitely wasn't like at a quit situation. It was, we don't know. But it wasn't because he's bad at his job. Some would say the Steelers stole the coach. Okay. Steelers stole.

Now on the flip side, we have the Atlanta Falcons. Their quarterback is one, Kirk Cousins, formerly of the Minnesota Vikings. They paid him $100 million guaranteed. But who are Kirk's cousins? That's a great question. Right? That's a great question.

I don't even know how many, how many cousins does Kirk have? How many cousins does Kirk have? Does any, honestly though, do you guys know who Kirk Cousins is? I feel like I've heard that name for a long time. It was on that show. Yes, the quarterback. It was on the show, yes.

Yes. He also, along with Aaron Rodgers, blew out his Achilles last year. He's been on a long road. Against the Packers. They gave him $100 million, and then the next day, I'm exaggerating on the next day, but the next day drafted a quarterback in the first round

citing the success that the Packers had, saying, hey, yeah, we paid this guy a bunch of money, but we're also going to invest in this young guy. And Kirk was pissed. Kirk is not happy about this. He has since come to terms. He's fine. He's a great guy, but at first, the reaction was a shock. It was definitely a WTF. I'm going to go with Steelers,

because Falcons have never been good, ever in their lives. What do we know about the Falcons? None of Atlanta's teams have ever been good. Well, there was that one year they did. They did go to the Super Bowl. One time. 2016. There you go.

And in 99 they went as well. Do you know what a Steeler is? Great question. Yes, I was arrested for that when I was 13. That's very clever, that's clever, I like that. I do know what that is. That's good. It was in a CVS and...

Dillards. Dillards. Pittsburgh known as the Steel town, Steel City. Steel City. Yeah, known as the Steel Town. Steel City? Yeah, a lot of steel work. Yeah. Like the Packers. US Steel.

Packers. They pack a lot of meat. I think it was packing meat. I don't even know. Honestly, I think it was Meat Packers. I think it was, yeah. Based off of Meat Packers. So you're going to go-

I'm going Steelers. You're going to go Steelers. Same, follower. Wait, what were the facts for the Ravens or the Falcons? Good question, Falcons. Yeah, we didn't actually get anything. They have a quarterback who used to play for the Vikings, and a bit of a quarterback.

Two teams that kind of have a bit of a quarterback contraband. Which one does Justin play for? Steelers. But he's not playing for them. I know you like Justin. A mascot, Freddie the Falcon, who is terrifying, but in a fun way, and does have a cute name. Freddie the Falcon.

That is cute. Who's our mascot for Steelers? Mascot name is Steely McBean. I've seen him. He's cool. I've seen that guy before. No one really cares about him. You don't see much of him, but he's cool.

But he's a steel worker, so that is very honorable. That's Freddie the Falcon we're looking at? He is cute. Yeah, he's adorable. Ludacris performed that, so they had a whole 50 years of hip hop thing, and Freddie the Falcon was in the mix. He is cute. Yeah, he's adorable. Like Ludacris performed that, they did a whole like 50 years of hip hop thing, and like Freddie the Falcon was in the mix. Like he was like, Atlanta, yeah.

Oh, get out the way, like doing the whole thing. Is it at Pittsburgh? Wow. Is it at Pittsburgh? Is it home? Where's the game? I don't know, I think it's in Atlanta. This is, yeah, Pittsburgh versus Atlanta.

I'm gonna say Atlanta. You're gonna go Steelers. We are going, our team's going Steelers. We're the vibe team, we're going to I'm gonna go Atlanta They really invested in their roster Picking based off vibes for collecting the vibes though You need to share their colors. This is a... Black and red.

This is a weekly Thursday Sunday. Black and yellow, black and yellow. Black and yellow, black and yellow. Which is about the Steelers. We're going Steelers. We're going Steelers. All right. I think Drake London might pop off.

Drake London? You didn't share that name with us? Great name. Cool name, right? I feel like Drake's having an unfair advantage in this game. The point of the segment is to see at the end of the season who did better. You guys who don't give a shit.

OK, so that is a game. That's a game this week. We want that's one of the games. It'd be fun if you win. OK, no, that will be fun. There's definitely a good chance. This one's fun. And I bet you that you guys do better than Nick

over the course of a season. That's kind of the point. They say with the NFL, it's any given Sunday. Who are you picking, Peter? All right, so there's a guy on the Falcons. Let me let's Google him and his image right here. Bring him up. Bijan, B-I-J-A-N.

Has a muster deal. Robinson, who does have a muster deal with Bijan. Can we get an image? This guy is such a cool looking, cool player. And he was underutilized last year. Bijan Robinson, I think he's going to go absolutely bonkers. So I'm going gonna say Atlanta Falcons based on the explosion of B. John, cool name.

Can I ask you just a personal question? The running back for the Jets. Look how cool he looks. Oh, he does look cool. Look at that hair. Yeah, I got him fourth overall in my pick. Oh, Breeze is gonna be great. Is he gonna be great?

Yeah, great. Breeze Hall, yeah. All right. You're doing what Peter hates. No, I like it. No, he and I talked though. It's the guy that's like wife's friend from work, husband I met at a happy hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Peter? Oh, so the draft. Didn't we all meet? Where were we? In the Super Bowl, Craig's. Wasn't that great? It was like. Didn't we go to?

Yeah, it was a Super Bowl. It was an NFL event. We saw, no, Justin Bieber. Yes. And we saw, and I was talking his hair off and you're like, let's go honey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were just talking. Oh, Heidi Klum was there? Yeah. All right. So Vibe.

That was a fun Super Bowl, that LA Super Bowl. Yeah. Vibe's are going. Pittsburgh Steelers. Knowledge. Knowledge. Atlanta Falcons. You guys could definitely win. All right. Game two. We got Jacksonville Jaguars versus the Miami Dolphins. We have a Jaguar versus a fish. Yep. Well, our dolphins fish and our mammals. Okay. Two mammals.

Jackson is from, again, Jacksonville, Florida. You may know your dad lives there. So there's that. St. Augustine, but yes. Okay. Similar. Yep. Close by.

We got colors of the jaguars are teal and black and gold, according to Mary from our team, all in an ugly way. Oh, great. I mean, the dolphins are ugly. I've seen their colors too. Dolphins are orange, right? Like, dolphins are also teal, orange, and... Do you know how hard these teams work to, like, put together uniforms and apparel that,

like, will be, like, appealing to the eyes and then Marys, like, no, they suck. Marys, like, they're all in ugly. They're awful. Like, they're pretty colors, but in the ugliest shade. Clashing. Miami Dolphins, they play in the Hard Rock Stadium, named after the Hard Rock in Miami. So there's that. Rocking.

Their coach is Mike McDaniels. McDaniel. Mike McDaniel. I think we need to get a picture of Swaggy Mike. Is he swaggy? Well, you got to show a picture of Mike when he was hired, and then show a picture of Mike today. Chelsea's working overtime right now.

No, literally. Like, wait till you guys see this guy. You want to talk about it? He looks like he's been Miami for three years. He's been M-ified so much. He showed up as like a pencil pushing like, and now, wait. All right, let's see the original. No, not that one, Zach.

No, the other one. Down, down. Down, down, down. I don't want to spoil it with the new one. Yeah, that one. With the blue. That one's fine. That one's fine.

He got a heart. It's giving, yeah, it's giving pencil pusher for sure. Now, how do we get 2024 Mike McDaniel press conference? Ooh, press conference. You're like, Wednesday, September 23, he was on a press conference. You know, that one there. That one there.

No, down. Even down more. Lower. Yeah, right there with the glasses. That's the sunglasses, with the tinted sunglasses. That one. That's what he looks like now. Oh my gosh.

It looks a little rough. He's gotten tan. He's got the shades on. He's curled up his hair a little bit. He shows up to games in a Bentley and he's got the Rolex. He is swagged out. He wears a man bag.

He loves a bag. He's got a Merce. A Merce? He absolutely loves a bag. And he's also an absolute genius. He's got a bag. He wears a man bag. He loves a bag. He's got a Mers. He loves a bag. He absolutely loves a bag. And he's also an absolute genius in X's and O's on how to get guys open. And they have the fastest team in all of football. Okay.

These are just like fast dudes. All right, tell me too much. Who's our coach with Jacksonville? Is he cool or do you hate him? Dougie P. Doug Peterson, former backup of the Green Bay Packers. I feel like we need to go with our Packers. He won a Superbowl as the Eagles coach. Dougie P. Doug Peterson former backup of the Green Bay Packers. I feel like we need to go He won a Super Bowl with the is the Eagles code

But nice guy He looks nice. There's no vibe with Doug. There's a good heart on him. I Think I got a couple more facts. Yeah, I like this great game is a great game actually. I was shooting on it to start. This is good. Give us the vibes. Our mascot is a jaguar named Jackson DeVille. Yep. But tell him what Jackson DeVille does.

Do you know what he does? It's giving Corrella DeVille. Jackson DeVille will put on a Speedo and like, and like. Mary writes various, it sounds very similar to Jax Taylor. Third picture. That's Jackson DeVille, guys. Oh, she's slaying. We like her. We like picture. That's Jackson DeVille, guys. Oh, she's slaying.

We like her. We like her. Jackson's a queen. What did Mary write on her commentary? She goes, it sounds a lot like Jax Taylor. Yeah. Oh, that's true. Yikes.

Yeah, that's Jackson DeVille. And like, will shake his butt, like after they score a touchdown. Is it J-A-X? J-A-X. De-Ville. I'm a big fan of Jax. All right, who's our mascot? Is it often? What's the name. Is it J-A-X? J-A-X, D-VIL. I'm a big fan of Jacks. All right, who's our mascot?

Is it a dolphin? What's the name? Is it an actual dolphin? You might know them from the great movie Ace Ventura. Ace Ventura. Pet Detective was the star. That's scary. An actual dolphin.

I don't like that. That mascot is scary. What's his name? TD? Boring. Mary writes, technically their fight song to the dolphins is by T-Pain and Jimmy Buffett featuring Pitbull. Oh my gosh. I don't know this song.

But the song was only played at one pre-season game in 2009. Oh, well. That's many years ago. An RIP Jimmy Buffett. We lost Jimmy Buffett, but before he passed, like our one regret is he didn't get to lay down a track. The cheerleaders for the Jaguars,

their cheerleading team name is the Roar of the Jaguars. Very formal. Yeah, very formal. How does that fit on a uniform? Roar of the Jaguars. Where's that game being played, Nick? The game is being played, I believe, in Miami. Okay, so historically, Miami's very good in September

because it's scorching hot. It's like 100 degrees, and they've been practicing in that all summer. Oh, advantage. Usually it's a cold weather team that comes in. But they're playing in Jacksonville. They're playing in Jacksonville. Am I neutralized?

I think... Jacksonville. Jacksonville. Wait, Trevor Lawrence quickly got... Quarterback of the Jaguars. Yes. He was Clunson, right? Yes.

Okay. Got married over the off season. I believe a kid is on the way. Beautiful, long, luscious blonde hair. I saw him in a restaurant in Palm Beach this spring. Went up to him, was cool as hell. I like him. I think he's cool.

Two of the quarterback of Miami. Also, I believe a new dad. Alabama, great dude. So you got two really good men as the quarterbacks. Well, I hate Alabama so much so that I will be going Jacksonville. And I feel like me and my team, we love our queen, the mascot.

In the name of Corella. We love the name Corella. Jacksonville. Yes. And we also, what else did we like about Jacksonville? Their colors are a little bit better. Little bit better. Little bit better.

The dolphins colors are a little triggering to me. Little bit better. And we love that their coach is an old soul. Yeah. We do, we love that about him. He's not wearing Rolexes. Yeah, he's not trying to. Mary writes, for fans of the NBC sitcom,

The Good Place, the character Jason Mendoza was a huge Jacksonville fan and would say the team name in a very funny and charming way on the show. Okay. So that about that. Solidified, yes, we are going with Jacksonville. I love it.

Okay, our knowledge guys, who do you pick? Miami Dolphins. They're very fast and they're very good. And Mike McDaniels is, um, also very good. They have Tariq Hill. You know him. I do know. I'm going to go with the dolphins because a young man named Grant DeBose, formerly of the Green Bay Packers was picked up by the man. That's a deep cut guys. After, after the cut downs. And I think a lot of Packer fans were very disappointed because he really balled out. And I think the Pack of Packer fans were very disappointed because he really balled out. He had a really good pre-season.

And I think the Packers are just so goddamn deep at wide receiver that they just, they had to let him go. But he ended up in a good place because it's a very similar system. Matt and Mike, they're friends. Very similar system. They know each other. And so I think that's the other part about this. It's like a soap opera in the NFL.

All the coaches know each other, have worked with each other. Some hate each other. It's like the drama of the the NFL. All the coaches know each other, have worked with each other, some hate each other. It's like the drama of the coaches is what I love. And it's, you know, it's what it is. I think as with you, I'm going to go with the Miami Dolphins. I think they just, they're too fast. They're too good at home and they're going to come out of the gates. They always do.

Like they put up 70 points in a game last year in September. Like I think they're the pick. I feel like y'all left out that Jacksonville's like slow. No, Jacksonville's like slow. No, no, no, no. Jacksonville's very good. No, Jacksonville's. Slow, slow, Jacksonville Jaguars. I was going to say, the only reason why I was going to stay in Miami is because I've heard of the Dolphins before.

But like Jaguars feel fast. No, Jaguars are good. Watch. Jaguars and Steelers are going to win handedly on Sunday. Hell yeah. They could easily win. Both teams. Those are good games.

Those are random games you just pick. All right, vibes or stats? Until next week. I like it. We'll discuss our winners. I feel like we just bet all of our life savings on this game. It is intoxicating, isn't it? It is. A little. There's a rush.

This is what I do for a living. I have to pick these games, and it's like, now I'm like 10 toes deep on these games. Like, who's going to win? Do you pick more on vibes or your knowledge? A lot of times on vibes. OK, what about you? Sometimes you just have to go with your gut. Go with your gut. Yeah.

I feel like we did that. Do we feel comfortable? We won. We won. I feel like we have underdogs. Justin's like, we already won. We won. Whether the actual team wins or not, we won.

Yeah. We're winners. You know what? We won't be upset if we lost. We won't get that. So we win. We won't get that. That's it.

But how great would it be Sunday when you're checking your phones like, did the Jets win? I'm not going to lie. I might text and I could be like, did the judge win? I'm not going to lie. I might text and I could be like, haha. You very well may get that opportunity. I might. No, that's the beautiful thing about this game.

Yeah. Peter, we could do this forever. I love this guys. Thank you for having me. I'm a fan of your work. I think you guys are building a really cool thing here. I'm inspired by it. It's entrepreneurial and you guys have a really dedicated fan base.

So congrats on all the success and I'll be listening and watching. Thanks for having me on. Well, thank you for saying, uh, where can my audience find you? Yeah. So I do. I host the morning show on NFL network every morning. Good morning football is what it's called. And then every Sunday I am on the Fox pregame show at 8 AM Pacific, 11 AM Eastern called Fox NFL kickoff. And you'll see this mug. I'm in a suit and tie on that show though, which is a little formal, but yeah, I love what I do.

And I can't wait to get the season started. And we'll see where we go from there. Well, please come back. This has been very fun. I loved it. It was cool. Thanks guys. Well, let's say goodbye to Peter

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They didn't care about protecting Jen. Can you imagine, given what Devin did, it will get into how bizarre his behavior was, how unnecessary, how cruel seemingly his behavior was, and he's still not the biggest villain of the night, right? Yeah, the producers are, yeah. He's neck and neck, but yes. You know, there's hundreds of producers

who work on this show. It's my understanding that there's a lot of people who work for that show are mortified this morning. Oh. Oh, please, are they? Wait, mortified about what? People didn't receive the episode well? Well, because I get a lot of the people

who work on the show, like they don't make these decisions after the final rose. This is like a higher up decision. It's like one or don't make these decisions after the final rose. This is like a higher up decision. It's like one or two people make these decisions. I guess, I'm just pissed at like. I'm not trying to defend, this is more like, I don't know, if I did something, right,

as people who work for this company and I went and made an executive decision, but we're gonna do it this way, right? And as a result of my decision, someone was hurt and I embarrassed someone and people were like, oh, everyone at NV Media or the Vilephiles, like, how could you, you would be like, wouldn't you feel a certain way about it?

Right? Wouldn't you be kind of mortified if you're like, yeah, it wasn't like, it wasn't my fucking call. That's what I'm saying. I think there's a lot of that going on. Sure, but I think there's also like a lot of people who could have been like, I don't want to be involved in this. Jessie Palmer.

It seems like there could be not have been like, hey, I don't feel comfortable sitting here and watching her sob as we show this beautiful engagement. I thought they were doing that too, because they were like, we're not going to show it. We're not going to show it. And then I was like, okay, this is kind of I see it. I see that makes sense.

And then he was like, well, can we show it? And Jen's like, do I have a choice? Literally, scientists in the room, he's like, so let's watch it. And everyone's like, I don't think we should. Even Hershey's like. I think Nellie's right. I think whoever the producer was, whose it was their big idea to tell Jen

that she should be the one to propose to Devin as like this big first time moment. It's never happened. Every season they wanna have a like, this has time moment. It's never happened every season. They want to have a like, this has never happened. So one of the people in charge, I'm guessing went to Jen during the finale and was like, you should propose to Devin.

Also, by the way, like why do they, you know, and this is, I don't even, this is not a criticism for Jen, but you're not picking yourself just because you proposed to someone else. I don't mean, Jen kept saying, I'm choosing me. It's like, what? Well, I can see that part. I don't know. It did seem like a reach, but anyways, I don't even because you proposed to someone else. I don't mean, Jen kept saying, I'm choosing me. It's like, what? I'm fine. Well, I can see that part.

I don't know. It did seem like a reach, but anyways, I don't even think that was Jen's idea. I think that was something that was fed to her. I think it was an idea given to her. I think she went along with it. She played ball. And then the relationship didn't work out.

And then at the finale, going into the finale, whoever's idea that was cared more about that moment and getting credit for that moment and having that moment still have its moment. And they didn't give a fuck about their Bachelorette or their feelings or the fact that the first or maybe arguably the second time ever, one of their Bachelorettes showed up to AFR

as a single woman. And that can be very, well, embarrassing. It can be, it's not embarrassing for Jen to be clear, but it can feel embarrassing. You have a lot of pressure. You compare yourself to the past leads. You want to have a love story. It's a terrible position that Jen was put in.

And the producers or producer, whoever made that decision, fuck. And I don't fault Jesse. I think Jesse's in a really tough spot. Jesse, he's also like calling college games. Jesse literally shows up for a job. He shows up, he's like, what do you want me to say? What should I do? It's a tele fucking prompter, he's reading it.

Yeah, I mean, could he have stepped up? Sure, but I think the blame goes way more on whose ever idea this was in the moment. Well, also was it live? Was it not live? Was it live? I was confused. It was live, yeah.

It was actual live? Because Jen and Demi were there and they were, Was it actually live or was it live? I was confused. It was live, yeah. It was actual live? Because Jen and Demi were there and they were with us. Was it actually live or was it live to tape? I was confused too, so he says like live. They mentioned it's live in the episode. Interesting. Let me ask. Because we were with Demi and Jen,

two girls from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, during the day recording our episode and then we were also with them at night at their premiere event. So I'm like, when did they have the, and they were there. So I'm like, maybe they were there for four seconds and left, I don't know. But it is also absolutely insane to me

that they didn't follow what they do every single year. Show the ending and then bring out your Bachelorette. That's the thing, it was so unnecessary. It was kind of toned off. It was unbelievably unnecessary. Like Naila said, just show it like you do every season. Every season. Play your episode, the two guys meet the families,

blah, blah, blah, final date, you know, I'm not sure. Everyone cheers, we're all happy, Jen comes out. Awkward breakup with your runner up, yada, yada, bring out the person, Jen proposes, you know, what a moment. You have a point, yeah. Cut to AFR, Jen proposes, what a moment. You have a point, yeah. Cut to AFR, and Jessie goes, what a beautiful proposal, first time ever in Bachelor Henshin. But what went wrong?

Yeah, but oh, oh, but we have some bad news, unfortunately, it's time to bring out your Bachelorette, and however they wanna do it, like, fine, all right. There was a happy moment, we all know this is not, this happened months ago, things happen, but they didn't do that. They awkwardly cut to AFR, said, we can't show this. Oh my God, it would be inappropriate.

It would be insensitive. It would be harsh. It would be cruel. I'm like, okay, fuck, what happened? Jesus Christ. They bring out Jen. They bring out Devin. First of all, they bring out Jen, they bring out Marcus,

and that was already kind of weird. That was unnecessary. Unnecessary, and went on for way too long. They both said nothing. They both said, we have love for you, and we, you know, I respect, thank you for- Jesse interrupted Marcus, cause he was rambling. Did you notice that?

He was like, sorry to interrupt, but like, next. But also, like, we didn't need that. No. No. We did not need to see 20 minutes of that conversation. Like, I am so happy that they are on a great page. I don't ever wanna see people, you know, animosity between anyone. So like love that.

But we did not need to sit there and listen to them talk for 20 minutes. No, it was about nothing. Both saying how they respected one another. Clearly there's an awkwardness. Jen seemed uncomfortable talking to Marcus as if she just like wanted to say whatever she needed to say to be nice and then move on.

I saw that. Okay, we've got to get to Devin. What the fuck? What, like what? I don't know. First of all, no one asked. Well, for timelines too, we interviewed her on July 31st. So they said that this happened in July

and we were the last day of July. She did our interview knowing that this was all going on. This were contacts. Interesting. Yeah. That makes me hurt for her. I feel so bad for her. the last day of July, she did our interview knowing that this was all going on. This was our context. Interesting. Yeah. That makes me hurt for her. I feel so bad for her. But why did no one ask, why did you fall out of love?

Why did things switch so quickly? No one asked that. Why did you break up? And what pisses me off about AFR is they make the couple have this like talk or whatever, if it's with like her and Marcus or her and the person she didn't choose or whatever, and they always have this talk of like, they're like speaking in code.

It's like they know something that happened in the relationship that none of us know because they're making them say this in front of cameras and live. And so they're like, I think that that thing that we talked about, we weren't gonna do that. And you're like, what the fuck are they even saying?

And so no one asked, Devon, like why the fuck did you, like what happened? Which is surprising because I heard that even Jen doesn't know. I heard that like he literally reached out to Jen before a happy couple weekend and was like we need to talk. And obviously when you say that to someone

in that type of situation, you're like, we need to talk. And then, you know, he was like, maybe we should talk during our happy, we need to talk. And then, you know, he was like, maybe we should talk during our happy couple weekend. And then I heard that, you know, she was like, well, let's talk now. And then he was like, we should break up. I, and he, I heard that he said things like, yeah, I'm not in love with him anymore.

I don't feel the same way. I heard it was less than a 15 minute conversation. That's kind of what she said on the show. That's what she said, yeah. And did you also kind of feel like Devin was like surprised by the reaction that he got? Cause I kind of felt like that. Like I felt like he was like genuinely shocked

when everybody would be supporting Jen, when she would just like shut him down and be like, no, you didn't show up. You ghosted me, like all of these things. And he's like, but look, like I'm just trying to, you know, and we talked about this and like, you know how I feel about you. And it's like, no, no, no.

Did you hear before they went to commercial break and he was like, what is going on? Yeah. That was bizarre. It was shocking. But it's like, no, no, no. Did you hear before they went to commercial break and he was like, what is going on? Yeah. Yeah, that was bizarre. It was shocking. But it seemed like, but we still don't know why they broke up. She was asking on the stage.

Like being humiliated. I think we know he went clubbing with Jeremy and that pissed her off after the breakup. But that was like a work trip and then he followed Maria the day after. That was all nuts, you know. But to me that wasn't really even, that was nuts and crazy and it's certainly like the-

And sensitive to the breakup. Yes, for sure. That's not the main reason. I wanna know why he decided to break up with her because listen, they're not the first couple, if they had problems or if they got out of a bubble and they thought, oh my God, like who did I get engaged to or whatever,

that's pretty normal, right? Like a lot of couples show up to AFR in really bad shape, put on a happy face, get through it. And the big question is like, really Devin? Like what were you trying to do? Keep it real, like be your most authentic self? Like you couldn't just like muscle through it, get to AFR, put on a brave face,

wait a couple of weeks or a month. Work on the relationship, see if there's. Yeah, put your best effort forward. If it doesn't work out, you post it Instagram story, something vague or whatever. But like the way you went about it, Devin, is you embarrassed Jen unnecessarily on live national television.

And you put her in a spot that no other bat shred has ever been in or would want to be in. And then the show doubles down by basically like, yeah, just unnecessarily being cruel. It made no sense. It's also such a wild switch up from Devin. And like Jen said, the entire show, he's like, I will fight for you.

I'll never give up on you. I love you. It's this, it's that. It's these romantic speeches. It's oh my God. And then to just like, yeah, sorry, I fell out of love with you. I don't think any of it was genuine. To be completely honest, like, my speculation was that I'm like,

maybe he didn't expect to win. I also wonder if he did have a conversation with the producer being like, you can't back out or something. But I'm like, the performance from needing personal time with Jessie, crying at the bar, crying about her not saying I love you, threatening, like, I don't even know who I am without you, all of this stuff to get there, to win, to end up being, like, the day after.

Eh. Do you think he showed up hoping that Jen would send him home? Maybe. And for him to follow Maria after the fact, like, I mean, that gives, to me, like, heard the announcement about Bachelor in Paradise, like, maybe I have a shot. Like, I mean, like, the idea that he would even go about moving that way, knowing that he won, like, you were never into Jen to begin with. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I mean, the idea that he would even go about moving that way, knowing that he won,

like, you were never into Jen to begin with. Like, I'm sorry. Like, there was nothing genuine about any of his actions, or even how he tried to defend himself. There was no defense. I'm just, it is crazy how he went about it. If nothing else, it's just stupid. Disingenuous.

No, but not even disingenuous, just dumb. Like, what was the move? You know, I mean, he made a point. It's just like, you know't know what it was. But he made no sense the whole time. I don't even understand it. Not even does like save face or just like, why go about it this way? And also saying like, yes, she's like for two months, you had one foot out of the door and you were like, I don't know what to do.

And then he was like, I don't know what to do. And then he was like, I don't know what to do. And then he was like, I don't know what to do. And then he was like, I don't know what to do. And then he was like, I don't know what to do. And then he was like, I don't know what to do. And then he was like, why go about it this way? And also saying like, yes, she's like for two months, you had one foot out of the door and like, you didn't tell me. He's like, I was late to telling you.

Yeah. Late? Keep in mind when they- Like you're late to like fucking lunch? Like no bitch, what? Yes. Just the filming, like Bachelor typically starts filming end of September, usually wraps filming

right before Thanksgiving. Then they basically go home, wrap up, go back to your family. So from end of Thanksgiving, end of November, till January, nothing's happening. You kind of hide your relationship. But that's like six weeks before it even starts airing, then you have the whole season of it airing.

Bachelorette, much shorter turnaround time. So basically, as soon as he got out of the bubble, he was basically finding a way to get out of the relationship. I mean, they were together for less than a couple months. There's like the secret homes, right, that you can live in together? So every, like once or twice a month, they had to do like a happy couple weekend.

That's what it is, okay. Where you spend like three or four nights, and like, you know, they usually rent you a pretty nice house in LA. I mean, it's still like, you're still stuck there. You're kind of in prison, you can't go anywhere. So it's still, you still feel cooped up. But yeah, that's, that was a year,

quote unquote, happy couple weekends. But even then he was also defensive, like when he was like, am I not allowed to have a life? Or am I not allowed to like do? And it was just like, honey, you're, you've got 15 minutes. Yes, you were missing the mark entirely. And again, he's made it to the point after watching him, I was like, I don't want to see you on my TV ever again.

It's as if the only explanation it feels like you can come up with is that like, they casted a guy who is just like in his late, how old is Devin? I don't know. Late 20s, I believe. And you wouldn't normally think that this is a guy maybe like with a real job and a real life and friends,

but like it comes across as that he's been living in sweatpants in his mom's basement, somehow find his way onto the Bachelorette, decided he'd go fucking do it. He fucked around and found out, accidentally won, and then just wanted to figure out a way to get out of it as soon as possible, completely not understanding the scope of what he signed up for. He just kind of was just like, yes, all right. Yeah. He kind of implied after like, yes, all right. He kind of implied after that he was like

pressured into it. Pressured into what though? That's a thing. Like it's a rewind to everything he said, like Sierra said, contradictory. Is he blaming producers for pressuring him into an engagement? The process maybe.

Breaking news. Devin posted on his stories that is now since been deleted. He posted screenshots of him and Jen's conversation. What? Yeah. Send. Screenshots? You fucking messy piece of shit.

You know. I'll be honest. I'd love to hear from Devin. So would I. Like, what the fuck are you doing? I wanna hear from Jen, part two. So what does it say? She said, so then why did you wanna talk to me in person today in the first place?

And he said, I wanted to tell you all of this in person because you deserved more than a phone call. I didn't spring this on you, Jen. I wanted to talk about this in person today and you forced it out of me. Of course, this isn't the way I wanted to do this. So what happened was, is again, he called up Jen and said, we need to talk, scared the shit out of her,

said we should talk about this at Happy Couples. And then he is now accusing, scared the shit out of her, said we should talk about this at happy couples, and then he is now accusing Jen of forcing it out of him because she was like, well just fucking tell me now. I'm sorry, I don't wanna sit there and wait on a plane ride and have anxiety. Just shut the fuck up and then spring it on her

when you're in person if you wanna talk about it in person. Who goes on a trip being like, yes, can't wait for doomsday. What could you possibly have to talk to me about? Yeah, so no, sorry, Devin, Jen didn't force you. So then she said, but the way you said it last night made it seem like you already made your mind up,

not that you wanted to have a conversation about it. He said, just last week Friday, you said we should break up. You've said that before. I really took that to heart because I've been having doubts about our whole relationship And I'm not happy right now when I know you aren't either. I'm always falling short of your expectations I have already expressed my own doubts last happy couple. I was very honest about where my heart stood

I don't know what else to say Jen You don't deserve this and I don't think I can be what you deserve That's what I think would be meant and then she said I know that I said I wanted to break up and I was emotionally charged when I said that and obviously didn't go through with that because things can and then it cuts off. It sounds like he was like, this sucks, I suck, this relationship sucks, everything about it, I'm not happy, you're not happy.

And she's like, well, maybe we should just break up. Like that's what that sounds like. He absolutely posted that, this is a guess, but I say this with confidence, is that the internet has been up, but I say this with confidence, is that the internet has been up in his DMs and comments saying, I can't believe you called her. How insensitive that you called her.

And he posted that thinking that this was going to explain that he didn't call her or didn't wanna do it over the phone, and he's now blaming Jen for how it all went down. Because you can see that one part is like a broken piece of the message. Yeah, he's like cropping and cutting and like, please. And then she shows the part where it's like she knew, like, you know what it's giving?

It's giving Clinton Kane. It's giving the like, I'm gonna refute the tiniest detail. She actually did know because I said one word. And it's like, regardless, okay, exactly. You're trying to paint it in a way that she was like the one that broke up with you first and made you have all of these doubts. Where it's like, no, you knew how you were feeling, but you're trying to paint it in a way that she was like the one that broke up with you first and made you have all these doubts. Where it's like, no, you knew how you were feeling,

but you want this to validate it so people will lay off of you, but like what you did was humiliating. I think that the show really screwed over Jen. I mean, one of the most unfortunate Bachelorette or lead experiences. First of all, none of the people were casted for Jen. She was set up for failure.

They didn't focus on Jen. They didn't tell Jen's story during the season. It was clearly not something they planned for. She was the first Asian Bachelorette and they tried to get credit for making her the first Asian Bachelorette, which they never planned on doing in the first place, but then they tried to get credit for that, the show.

Didn't do anything to prop her up, promote her all that well. It seemed like it was like a low budget for promoting her. Like her show art was very different than was like a low budget for promoting her. Like her show art was very different than other bachelorettes before her. Then you have this like cast of terrible men. Yes. Terrible.

Also the Marcus of it was kind of weird. The guy's a war veteran. You guys talked about being in combat for eight years. That shit will fuck you up. I don't know what's going on in Marcus's life. He seems troubled, like clearly, and he served our country. It just felt also really icky.

I also don't blame Jen for this. This is like the show not being able to get away from their playbook. Their playbook being is, before we send someone home, that person has to say, I'm falling in love, or I'm in love with you you so that the lead can say something like, well, now that I realize where your feelings are and I now that know my feelings are changed.

So it's the finale. Here you have Marcus, Jen's like, I'm in love with both of you. Marcus is like, I can't open up. He's clearly struggling emotionally. And the whole first half of the finale was about trying to convince Marcus to say, I love you to Jen.

Her brother challenged him, her mom challenged him, Jen challenged him. Jen shows up to Marcus' hotel room, clearly to break up with him, right? But they paint it as she needs to hear him say, I love you. She once again talks about, I need him to say, I love you. Finally, they rip it out of him. It's just like, say you love her, say you love her. It's like the pressure they put on this guy to go to a place that clearly he wasn't comfortable going.

And then finally, it seems like to their surprise, he actually says, Jen, I do love you. She literally had to get up, leave the room, obviously go talk to whatever producer told her, like, hey, we're gonna send him home because he's not gonna be able to open up. But then he surprisingly does that. And then they put Jen in another shitty position because now she just looks like she forced it out of him

and then very, very cruelly sent him home right after because it was, what, too late? It didn't make any fucking sense. But because this show is so used to going by their playbook and how they do things, there just seems to be a lot less creativity with the people running this show than there used to be. And I think when they can't adapt as well as they used to,

and now they just do things because they planned on doing it, and it comes across as really insensitive or just boring at times. The whole Marcus ending was stupid. And it felt almost cruel to a guy who, for whatever reason, he's served our country, he's been in literal combat, clearly emotionally not healthy.

And it just felt weird to force this guy to go to a place he clearly wasn't able to go to. To just send him home. Just to send him home. You know, and then it was just, and then the whole proposal, you know, it's 2024, whatever, you want to propose to me? Natalie, great.

I just like, I don't understand. Is that a thing, does anyone care? Or is that like a big moment for anyone that Jen proposed? I think it was empowering given like the Asian context of it, because like women don't do that very often in culture. My sister did it and it was a big deal that she did it. Okay, but I guess in any culture, it's not a thing.

It's not a tradition. No, but does anyone care? But who was it empowering for? Herself, I can see that part. Was it Becca Kufrin? To Thomas, maybe? I think that sounds- Yes, yes, Becca Kufrin did it to Thomas.

I mean, it's a cute moment. Even when they aired it, it was like, he was like, ha ha ha, cool. And he's like, I'm gonna propose too. Like it's not that, it wasn't that big of a moment as the show felt like it would, we're trying to make it out to be. Well, they cared more about that than about Jen.

But that's what I'm saying. They sold it as like some groundbreaking. I'll agree with you, because Jesse Palmer said that. Like it felt icky and weird at the time, because Jen's obviously, like, hysterically bawling. And then Jesse said something like, just so you know, like, that proposal was beautiful and no one can take that away from you.

And it's like, first of all, like, a proposal, most people only want to go through that once. So it's like, there's this, like, very epic moment. She did something very brave. And it's like, for that to be the reaction, I don't think it was correct in comforting her being like, no one can take that away from you. It's like, yeah, we all saw it.

And I think she would want someone to take that away from her. Well, it is crazy that the show acted like they were breaking some sort of a glass ceiling. Yeah. And it was just- First of all, it's been done before. It's whatever.

It was tone deaf. The show should be embarrassed. Devon should be embarrassed. That was a shit show. I hope should be embarrassed, Devin should be embarrassed. That was a shit show. I hope Jen can heal from this because Jesus Christ, that was awful. Yeah.

What if I told you that whoever's decision it was thought it would be empowering for Jen? It's clear they just missed the mark. They definitely did. Sure, they had intentions of it being empowering and maybe it would have been empowering if they wouldn't have made her sit there sobbing, watching it next to the man who just fucking left her.

This is my part too, cause it's like they forced her to watch it and she's crying like sobbing. And then Jessie's like, and you're like the first Asian American bachelorette. And I'm like, this is not- It's not the time. Like you humiliated her for me

as like an Asian American watcher. Like you gave me this representation, but then made her look like- Yeah. You made her cry and put her in a bad light. So I'm like, but then made her look like, you made her cry. And put her in a bad light. So I'm like, this is tone-deaf. They looked like they had fun torturing her. And then Jessie's like, whispering as if like,

that makes it more sensitive. And it's just like, Jen, are you okay? You're strong. I'm saying, what the fuck are you saying? Like, I'm humiliated. Why couldn't you play this clip before I came out here? And then I could have this conversation. That's what's so bizarre about it,

because knowing how they make this show, it was the most unnecessary thing. They didn't have to do it. They made a choice and they chose to do it this way. And they've never done it this way before. And then the first time they've done it, they've done it in a way where they, for the first, I don't know, 20 minutes were telling us how inappropriate it would be to show the video. And then they wait for her to come out with Devon. Right. It just makes no fucking sense. All I want is there to be some sort of leaked people,

whatever, that's like Jen and Jonathan are on a date. That's all I want. Yes, we need that. Please rekindle. But even Jonathan, like where, why? I saw a tweet. Why wasn't he a part of AFR? Like why did they?

Sitting in the crowd, him and Jeremy. He was there to say that he was going to paradise. I guess. And Jeremy was there to- Take a stray. Take, yeah, to- He was there. He was clubbing with Jeremy.

He's like- He's like, fuck, I'm single. Fuck. I'm allowed. And you know what that was, right? Jeremy's out living in New York. Devin like hits him up. Hey man, I'm in town.

Jeremy's like, stop by, I'm out. I'm outside. But also- And Devin's like, video this, hell yeah. Put this on my story for my ecstasy. I saw a tweet that said nobody's fumbled a bag harder since Tyler Cameron. They were talking about choosing Jonathan- Why did Tyler Cameron fumble a bag? since Tyler Cameron. They were talking about choosing Jonathan.

Why did Tyler Cameron fumble a bag? No, they're saying that like, Jett like adds a bachelorette, like fumbling the bag where it's like, the last time we saw somebody fumble this bad was with Tyler Cameron because everybody wanted Jonathan. Oh, Hannah not choosing Tyler. Hannah not choosing Tyler is the equivalent

of Jen not choosing Jonathan for all of us viewers. Gotcha. I do wanna say I think, I think it was empowering that Jen stood her ground though against Devin. Yeah, hell yeah. Oh yeah. So I give her that.

So I give her that. Eviscerate that man. She really cared about him too, I hear. I know, that's so sad. He really, really liked him. And he just bamboozled her. I mean, wouldn't you? After all the shit he's saying,

being like, I would die for you. I would jump in front of a car. I would do absolutely anything for you, I would jump in front of a car, I would like do absolutely anything for you, I've never loved anyone more. Telling your mom that you would never abandon her, like, huh, knowing she's got abandonment issues? Sick in the head. It was so bizarre, everything about it made no sense,

and we also, after all that, we got no answers. Yeah, maybe Devin will continue to be messy and post on his story and we'll get a couple of answers there. There's something else just kind of bizarre about all this. It is really weird how he chose to go about this. Do you think people behind Bachelor will make a statement defending their actions?

Absolutely not. No, they don't. They won't speak. They've been on panels before and have spoken. Yeah, that's like a set interview that didn't, yeah. No, I know how that went, but I'm just curious if they would ever be like, this is why we did this. No, I don't think, well,

because the answer isn't gonna make them any better. I think because the answer is they thought it was a good idea and they thought it was empowering But the truth is they cared more about their creative choice Then they cared about Jen. Yeah, and I think that it is absolutely the truth and That being said either way, they don't really make statements Regardless, they're just gonna push Golden Bachelorette like nobody's business Which is which at this point it's like.

Did Kelsey's dad win? I don't fucking know, but it makes me like not, I'm like, ugh, like I just have this gross taste in my mouth. What are you gonna do to Joan? Yeah, what are you gonna do to Joan? It's like, I don't trust you in the hands of my bachelorette, you know?

And it's weird, cause like, listen, when the show does something that can come across as insensitive, I often can see their side because you're just, you know, you have to show the drama and sometimes you have to, you know, it's like sometimes people say, hey, this seems like a conversation that should be held in private sometimes. And you're like, it's a TV show. This has always been a TV show. We're gonna show the show, you know, type of thing.

This is just the choices here seem just so unnecessary. Like it didn't add any value. It didn't do anything other than like, finally get you attention for a season that, let's be honest, didn't have much buzz or attention. And they did something that just comes across as just, they just didn't have to do it. And honestly, them doing it made even less sense.

It just confused people. So by the time they showed the ceremony, we weren't curious. We felt icky for Jen, because here's this guy being icky. And then they show the video and you're like, I don't even care. What is going on?

It just was such a dumb, stupid choice. Dropped the ball this season. Dropped. Well, good luck with Joan. Maybe they'll make some changes, you know, maybe. Doubtful. You think this is a fireball offense? We'll see, I don't know, even the showing Joan

and Kelsey's dad in the crowd, I was like, this is a weird choice knowing that he's on this season. Like, I don't know, it's just like. I care less about that. I don't know, I'm just saying to where I'm like, it just seems like a weird choice. I think Joan's gonna make a lot of friends. Well she says she's not doing it to get married, right?

Like she's just doing this to be in a relationship. But I think, yeah, I just think most of the time, the lead doesn't fall in love with the, you know, but I think in golden era, I think it's easier, it's less petty, I think Joan will make a lot of friends who are men, I don't think it's like because she doesn't pick, I don't know what happens, but let's assume she doesn't pick Kelsey's dad.

I don't think there's like weird animosity or it's awkward. I think it's just kind of whatever. They pointed at each other. I don't think that's a thing. I just think it's a weird choice to have a contestant on your season in the crowd with you. I think it's, I'm with Nick on that one. I think they're marketing it because it's like, this might just be a friendship. Yeah, I think they're just saying it's, I'm with Nick on that one. I think they're marketing it because it's like,

this might just be a friendship. Yeah, I think they're just saying it's, we loved her dad on the show. But the transition from Jen. For sure. Like Jen wasn't even done like wiping her tears. And they're like, Joan, aren't you so excited for it? Like the way that they just drop Jen

and like move to the next one, it's just, I don't know. They came across as they really hated Jen. They have to make changes. It's just disgusting at this point.. They came across as they really hated Jen. They have to make changes. It's just disgusting at this point. Like the people at Bachelorette, you should be ashamed of yourselves. On that note, I think we're gonna wrap up this episode. Thanks for listening.

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