The Viall Files - E806 - Jonathon Johnson, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Vanderpump Rebooted, RHOC, and Casey Anthony

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

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You're crazy. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by The Household and Vibes went one and won this weekend. We won our game. Congratulations to the Vibes. The Vibes, the Household. Congratulations to everyone listening because you also chose that.

The Pittsburgh Steelers triumphanted over the Atlanta Falcons. As we knew they would. Right? We knew. Black and yellow, black and yellow. Y'all almost went two and up. Black and yellow, black and yellow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Jaguars of Jacksonville, Florida were ahead of the Dolphins of Miami, but the Miami Dolphins came back at the end. Lots of drama in the NFL this week, and I don't, you know, and that's the thing. Drama? Yes, that's what, it's not just about, it's not about the little men trying to score points.

It's about, it's reality TV people. I feel like the actual drama was in our household when you thought Jordan Love was not gonna be there. Oh my God, no, it was not. I did ask him, I said, who's your favorite person? And he looked at me like, who? Person? And I was like, player? Listen, listen, other than the fact that I am- He's like, Natalie. Wonderfully happily, and the luckiest man in the world,

because I am married to my wife, Natalie. Oh my God. Favorite person. Shame. And I have the most gorgeous, wonderful daughter, and both give me purpose. But thank God, I did tell Jared, who was at my house when Jordan and Love got hurt

that if this happened and I was still single and alone, this might have been the end for me. Oh boy. Yeah. Oh boy. I waited 200 days for this season to start and then all of a sudden, you know, Packers lost, it's game one, it's fine. They have 60 more games, they'll recover.

But if Jordan Love was out for the year, which that was, I went to bed Jordan Lowe is out for the year, which that was, I went to bed thinking maybe he's out for the year. What would be the point, honestly, of tomorrow? What would be the point? I don't know. The drama. Like, I-

Legit. But thank God he's only gonna miss a few weeks, we hope. So much drama and the kind of, it's reality TV. Wait, why is he missing it? Rewind. He hurt his knee. Oh. And what sucks is because this it? Rewind. He hurt his knee. Oh. And what sucks is because this happened with five, six seconds left in the game.

It was a little sad, yeah. It was really unnecessary and sad. Yeah. Unnecessary. Some might say it was cheap. No one checked in on me. I'll say that. After that happened, everyone was like, how's Nick?

How's Nick? And I'm like, hello, I'm the one who has to deal with him. I thought it was pretty good. I just very much was like, I'm not gonna say a word. And then I did try to point out my paint job in our bedroom because I painted one wall and he was like, I can't. I just, I got, I just can't Natalie, like Jordan Law. And I was like, okay, sorry.

I don't know what I was thinking. I was pretty good. I was quiet. I was to myself. I just needed like, I needed the night. I needed the night. I know. And I did to myself. I just needed like, I needed the night. I needed the night. I know, and I did not say a word. I duct taped my mouth shut. Well, before the Dolphins of Miami

triumphanted over the Jacksonville Jaguars, Tariq Hill got arrested on his way into work. To the game? For what? I don't know. I think for mouthing off to the cops. He got pulled over for a traffic stop. And there's like this video of him, all these fans going to the stadium

and they see Tariq Hill being handcuffed by the cops and thrown to the ground on a little, I think the word on the street right now is the cops were a little unnecessarily rough with Tariq Hill who apparently drives like a Lamborghini. Do you think the cops were like definitely Jaguar fans or? Or dolphin fans. Well, yeah.

I think the cops were. They were preying on the downfall for the golf. I think the cops were- They're playing on the downfall for the golf. I think the cops were don't talk back to me fans and the cops were copping, I think. Copping or copping? It seems we're a little unnecessarily- So did he miss the game? Nope, he scored an 80 yard touchdown to win the game.

That's on combat. And then after he scored the touchdown, to celebrate the touchdown, put his hands behind his back and then tweeted, when you're him, nothing can stop you. I mean, I respect that. He was coming off. Yeah, a lot of drama.

And did you know the Pittsburgh Steelers who did triumph, triumph, triumph. We're loving the triumph this morning. They triumphed, it's an empowering word. Oh my God, yes. Very victory, heroic. Empowering, just like Whitney, it was empowering for promoting a sex toy. Yes. Empowering, just like Whitney, it was empowering for promoting a sex toy.

Yes. Yes, yes. Empowering. Vibrators. Both very empowering. The Chicago Bears beat, unfortunately, our friend Will Elvis, our friend who we haven't met. We just, we call him our friend

because he's dating our friend. Exactly. And I honestly, they were doing really good. And I texted Victoria and said, Will is popping his pussy during this game. And she was like, no, I know, like I'm freaking the fuck out. And then it slowly- Then his pussy started popping.

Yeah, his pussy was then put in a box and he no longer was popping that shit. And then the Bears fan who have Caleb Williams, formerly USC quarterback, everyone's really excited about him, number one pick, but like the Bears, they only won because of their defense and special teams. Caleb didn't do so hot.

A lot of the Bears fans wanna take credit for that. So much drama this weekend. Question, what did the quarterbacks do again? They throw the ball. They throw the ball. Yes, yes, yes. Bless you. Just for the people like me listening.

No, yes, of course. Absolutely. So much drama, but congratulations, one on one. You almost went two on one, it was really rooting for you. I know, I was rooting for us too. I got a lot of DMs being like, our Steelers won, and I was like, yes they did, look at us go. So much drama in the reality TV world of football.

There's so much more, I could go on and on and on about the drama. He definitely could. But I won't. Great, let's move on to household headlines, shall we? Take it away, Justin. Well, Dream Kardashian at age seven has her Instagram. Dream Kardashian is black China and Rob.

Dr. Angela White. Sorry, very sorry, very sorry, Dr. Angela White. Formerly known as black China. Also a special forces recruit. Yes, of course. Friend of show. But age seven, like is that too young for a child to have an Instagram?

Yes. What are you posting about? But is that like the modern age of like when you start Instagram? Not forever. Okay. She captions her first post, welcome to my page, and in the bio it does read, account run by parents. Listen, I mean, you know, to each their own.

I don't think that Dream is like, post like writing her like picking her photo filter, caption, tagging, posting. I don't think she's doing all of that. I am sure that this is definitely her parents being like, let's like get some followers on her account. Maybe she'll get a couple of brand deals. Yeah.

You know? I would have thought it was the other way around. That like, they say it's run by the parent, but it's actually the child posting everything, just not reading the comments DMing. Cause isn't that what North did when she started her TikTok? I don't know.

It's around by cam, but it was like North was the only one posting TikToks all the time. Yeah, and alone or with her friends. So I don't know, I guess we'll kind of see if it's only her first post. North is also like 14, right? Well, when she first- Well, she started it when she was like 10, 12 maybe.

Yeah, during the pandemic, I feel like. So I'm saying, we'll see once the posts come out, if it's like summer moon clearly taken by your mom, or if it's like. I don't like the parent shame. I set it up. It's to each their own. I think it'd be early for us.

Yeah. But you know, to each their own. How old was everybody when they got their first social media? Social media? Yeah. Well, I was a freshman in college when I got my first cell phone.

Oh. And I had a hundred minutes a month. And it was like a car phone. On limited nights and weekends. Oh, you had to pay for the minutes. On limited nights and weekends weekends starting at 7 p.m. Did you have a car phone? No a car phone. What is that? I had snake. Did you have a rotary? Text didn't exist. That's a landline. Text did not exist. Wasn't a thing. Text didn't exist. Did not exist There's no such thing. I got my first phone when I turned 13 because my dad was like you get a phone when you're a teenager

So it's my routine very literal. Yep that we all waited until we were 13 on my siblings got one at 13 Sarah what about you? I think I was 12. Okay. Yeah, I was told to yeah as in junior high for sure Well, and a Delvey has a phone and she's on the internet saying that whoopie owes her an apology and the rest of the view Host what has whoopi done this time? So, we know Anna Delvey's on the next season of Dancing with the Stars, and Whoopi said, she still owes people money, I don't understand why she gets to stay in the US.

Delvey responded saying, while you are entitled to your own opinions, you should at least get your facts straight. I served my time and paid everyone back in full three plus years ago. Looking forward to your on-air correction, stay nasty ladies, but don't Forget to Vote, September 17th. I love how she says, don't forget to vote.

My immediate thought is like, she's talking about the upcoming election, but now she's talking dancing with the stars. Well, yeah. I love. Stay nasty ladies. Honestly, I will be taking that. That's kind of a, yeah, it's good.

She ate. That's good. Yeah. She ate. But do we think like Whoopi's valid for saying, like she's a criminal, why is she dancing on the stage? I think that is a valid opinion because she is wearing an ankle monitor. You have, you are a criminal. You have, you've- Convicted.

You fucked over a lot of people, you broke a lot of laws, you are a convicted felon. Like she is valid to have that opinion. But also if your facts aren't right, you can't be going on air, spreading wrong facts to the world. Like- Yeah. facts aren't right, you can't be going on air spreading wrong facts to the world. Like.

Yeah, without saying, sorry, got my facts wrong. But Goldberg throw in the necessary alleged word before any of these commentaries. Because if she did say alleged, then she could be like, oh, well it was alleged. Whoopi does make a lot of gold, gold what? Goldberg headlines. Yeah.

Whoopi is whooping. She's whooping. Listen, you know, it's America. Yeah. You know, you can have it. I don't, good for her. I wanna see Annandell V on Dancing with the Stars. It's crazy.

I think it definitely makes people wanna tune in, but I think for the people who are mad about it. Who's, she, I mean, she did only rip off rich people. Well, in the process she ripped off not rich people as well. Yeah, because it was rip off rich people. Well, in the process, she ripped off not rich people as well. Yeah, because it was like some of the people at the hotel who worked at the hotel, she fucked over a lot of them. They got caught in the crosshairs.

Okay. Yeah. But maybe she's learned from her mistakes and she has grown and she's a better person. Rooting for you, Anna. I've seen people on the internet say that she manifested this. Period. Like she was trying to be someone her whole life and now she actually is someone. This is all...

Like it's the grand scheme. This is all to get on Dancing with the Stars. Yeah. To be a star. Okay. Well, yeah, by definition, she is a star. Yeah. Okay.

I want your thoughts on this one, Nick. So there's a professor at the University of Tennessee who offers extra credit to students who left the class to a song of his choice. And basically, if you played a sad song, that means you failed the midterm. If you played a happy song, that means you passed the midterm. So in front of the whole class, he would call your name. So he would say like, Nick Viall.

You would stand up and he would play a song based on what your score is, and you'd have to walk out to it for extra credit. And then everyone would find out whether I passed or failed. Everybody would know whether you passed it or failed it. Oh my God, give that extra credit. Who gives a fuck? That's what I said, I would do it. Are you kidding?

I used to, whenever I made bad grades in school, I'd be like, oh my God, I made a 42 on this. Like I'd like show them what I do. Now my favorite Natalie story when it came to tests was what? Tell them. Oh, in math, y'all know I'm not the best at math. And every single math test I would write, I'm sorry with a sad face and I actually have a picture of

And I don't know the one time that I did that and I let me just show you I'm so cute. It is this is mark because they give you a better score they do She said don't be sorry. You did great With red ink don't be sorry you did great. What did you get, Neve? I actually, the grade is not in the picture, so I'm sure, probably still not that good. You tried. I did try, and I was apologizing,

and I was apologizing, so hopefully she would I think this teacher's an asshole. I think it's ingenious. But what do they get for the extra credit? Just the willingness to be publicly shamed? Well, but if you pass the class, you get the extra credit. Don't you always say, like, shame is good or something?

No. Oh. Oh. When do I say that? I feel like I said something. I think a couple weeks ago I said shame, despite its many negative aspects. There are, at times, shame could be appropriate, something we learn from.

Extra credit. Extra credit. I don't think this applies. The only thing they have to do to get this extra credit is the willingness to be shamed. Like they don't have to answer a question, there's no bonus score. It's just like,

Exactly. If you passed and danced out, did you also get extra credit? Yes. How much extra credit? Is this grade changing extra credit? Right? Is it, this is like, oh.

You no longer fail. Two points. Still an F. Not specified, but like, for example, is just like, oh. You no longer fail? Two points. Still an F. Not specified, but like, for example, if it was a happy song or if you passed your class, or the midterm, you would get a happy song by like, Will Fro, and then, or Fro Billy, I'm sorry. Will Fro.

Very literal. Because I'm happy. And then if you failed it, you would get like a Billy Eilish like sad coming of age song. Oh. Which I think is harmless. And I think if you're it you would get like a Billie Eilish like sad coming-of-age song Which I think is harmless and I think if you're not Harmless because if you're not good at math you get the extra credit by getting college or high school college It's also like not that deep like people don't really care about other people's grades. Yeah, listen I wasn't bullied in high school like you were bullied in high school

I wasn't bullied in high school like you were bullied in high school. But I wasn't bullied because I was stupid. I was bullied because like... I got bullied in middle school. But I'm just saying like, I'm just saying in college, it makes a little different. Yes. And you're right. But like, who are we? Like, kids are fucking mean and we're just giving them an opportunity to be like, how you stupid fuck, you know, like...

No one in college knows each other. Like, assumably, it's a university or just a random person in the class. The fact that it's college doesn't make it a little better. I'm kind of pro it. I think any way you can get some extra credit, I'm fucking taking it. I'm for it too. I'm for it too.

I will, I'll... Can't have shame if you have no pride. I was gonna say. That's true. I've got too much of that. I'd be like, uh, that's not me. So the alternative to this is the teacher walking around and then giving you your paper

and being like, talk to me after class. Oh yeah, hell no. So it's like, would you rather have that in front of the class or like, let me walk out to a good song. No, but again, that alone is just like, yeah, you don't have the guts for everyone

to know your grade. It's such a teaser though. My teachers used to pass out the test and she'd pass it like facing up, you know, but then if you got a bad grade, she'd turn it over. And like, that's fucking worse. That's kind of embarrassing. I would rather dance to a song. You know, when they're like, it's the most amazing job, like, you know, there's not, not all doctors are created equal. Not all mechanics are created equal. Not all teachers

are created equal. There's good teachers and there are shitty teachers. They're not all great, you know, because like sometimes it's like, oh, it's teachers, the most noble profession in the world. Yeah, for the good ones. Yeah. Yeah, I had a- There's a lot of terrible fucking teachers out there. Yeah, I had some bad teachers. You just reminded me,

I don't know if you know of this, Nick, but there's Write My Professors, and it's a website where when you're signing up for your classes, you can look up professors and they have like a five-star rating, or lower if they're bad, and they have like people reviewing them. Wow.

And like saying what they did wrong and like what they did right and people use it to choose their professors. Oh my god. I actually got a call from my microbiology professor like I was living here. You took a microbiology class? Yeah. She's a STEM girlie. There you go. Women in STEM, sorry. And he called me like three years ago maybe. I was like living here I'm sorry. And he called me like three years ago, maybe.

I was like living here, well graduated. And I was like, this is weird. Like what? So I'm like, hello? He's like, hi, Natalie. I'm like, yeah. He's like, hey, it's blank blank. And I was like, how are you?

I was like, I wonder if he's like, so I accidentally misgraded and you actually never have passed my class. And no, no, no. But he was like, I just like to call my students and check on them and see kind of, you know, where they're at in life and you know, what they're doing. And I love that. I was so nice.

No, it was so nice. And he was like, he was the professor who first day of class gave everyone a test, right? You took the test and then at the end it was like, now please read the directions. And at the top it was like, don't answer, only put your like name and date on the test and then at the end it was like, now please read the directions. And at the top it was like, don't answer, only put your like name and date on the test. But like no one reads directions, so a lot of people just started going. When was the war of 1812?

I have a question. 1812. 1812. I know, it's a different one. But like I had a very similar test like that and they had a bunch of bullshit questions, but if it was like one of the- I'm like, are you fucking testing me bitch?

I don't know. Are you asking me when the war of 1812 was? I don't know. Anyways but no I thought that was so nice. Wait that's cute that he called you. It was so nice. It's so wholesome. Like he cared. But you said it's bullshit. But I mean I don't know why are I mean listen why are guy teachers calling my girlfriend like years later after high school? It's just like. It wasn't high school, it was college. And I'm sure he was calling everyone.

I'm sure, yeah. I'm sure he definitely called everybody, for sure. Don't make it weird, it was very kind. No, he's a hero. Honestly. Yeah, triumphant. Triumphant. He was triumphant.

Before we move on to the next topic, if I forgot to mention that we do have Jonavan here this episode. Woo, did y'all see that TikTok? Was he in Miami with Jenna on the the next topic, if I forgot to mention that we do have Jonavin here this episode. Woo! Did y'all see that TikTok? Was he in Miami with Jen on Weekend? No, no. I saw a couple.

And what I would do if I didn't win. Yes! I guess we'll never know. Did you see that? I did, yeah. Honestly, I can't wait to ask him. I don't even care what's happening here. I love every minute of it.

Every time I see a new TikTok, I'm like, yes. Eating it up. On Thursday of Reality Recap, we have Jen with us as well. So that will be also some tea. So fun, fun, fun week. Also not to mention on Wednesday's explosive episode of Going Deeper, we have all the women of The Secret Lives

of Mormon Wives, minus Taylor who we had last week of Going Deeper, made sense to have Taylor separately. Obviously there was a lot of sensitive topics we wanted to discuss, her arrest and the swinging scandal, if you will. If you haven't listened to that episode,

now that the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives has been hitting the nation, everyone's talking about it, we'll be talking about it later in this episode as well. The Going Deeper episode of Taylor, Frankie, Paul is already out, it is explosive, it is wild, it's a must listen. And this Wednesday of Going Deeper, we have all the other women from the show,

the Secret Lives of Mulrin Wives, minus Whitney, who we also invited, but in typical Whitney fashion, excluded herself. Well, she also is like, what, eight months pregnant? Yeah, but she was in town. She was there that night. She was in town. She was at the premiere. She was at the party.

She was at the party. Yeah, so I had nothing really to do, which is fine, but she just, she wanted to do her own thing and separate herself. So I don't think she liked that, she doesn't want to be part of the group, she wants to be her own person. It's a wild episode, it's a fun episode.

All the ladies are with us, very a la kind of, a little mini, and it's not a reunion, but it's like a little mini round table. We have like eight women in here. Five or six? No, one, two, three, four, five, six. And these ladies are giving. These ladies are giving, they're stars.

They're committed to it, and I respect that. I mean, they really give. They open up the doors into your life. It's really quite, quite. Anyways, what's next on Household Headlines, Justin? Quick, wait. Quick, quick. It's really quite, quite. Quite, quite, quite, quite, quite. Anyways, what's next on household headlines, Justin? Quick, wait. What? It's really quite, quite.

Quite, quite, quite, quite, quite. Anyways, woo. I'm excited. Okay, yeah. Are you excited for Philadelphia's naked bike ride? Huh? Oh my God. So Philadelphia has a naked bike ride

where organizers, people aren't limited to just bikes. Listen, there's one. There's all forms of human power. Listen, there's a lot of things I don't wanna see in this world, and a naked butt on a bicycle seat is one of them. As Jerry Seinfeld once said,

there's the naked and there's the bad naked, it's mostly bad naked. And you know what, good on y'all. I'm glad that you're positive about how you look, however you look. Look however you want, love your body, I don't need to love your body. I don't wanna see your body.

Yeah, I don't wanna see a bunch of soft penises. Just because you have soft love, does it mean? Can you imagine that? The squish nut just like popping out of the seat. Please stop, stop, stop. I can't, I can't. Nick, you have to stop. I support it.

I would do it, why not? You would? Why not? You would get butt naked in front of the entire city. Everybody else is naked, might as well like see what it's like to feel free. Good for you on doing it, but why does it have to be a spectacle, why do I have to see it?

Go inside. What about children? Are we locking our children away for the day? Listen, I'm like, y'all know what's happening. Go inside for one minute. We'll pass by the wall. One minute? Just one minute for all of the people?

What if River, what if we're like, River, let's go get a cupcake. And then like a wave of naked people on bikes ride by. And she's like, mommy, daddy, what's that? And all these just titties just flopping after they go after a bump. Oh my God, and like balls, oh Jesus, this is a nightmare. I feel like for me it's because I grew up in NorCal

and in San Francisco this is so common for like nudists to just be like walking around. That it's like, okay. That's common in Europe. Like what? What do they say? It's not common in Europe. What's the saying? My rights began when your rights stop. Something like that.

Your rights end when mine begin. Yeah. And I have the right not to see your naked body. That is true. Okay, proposition. So there's UC Berkeley. There's a story that everybody knows about. I think it was like the 80s, 90s.

A kid was going to the class nude. What the heck? And the professors were like, you can't do this. Like this is a public university. You can't be nude. He was like, this is my right to be nude. I'm a nudist. Like this is a public university. You can't be nude. He was like, this is my right to be nude. I'm a nudist. I identify as a nudist.

Of course. They eventually sided with him that he could be nude in classes. What the fuck? But then it like messed everybody. Like everybody was mad because it was like, I'm sitting on a chair that like you are nude sitting on. Ew, yeah, nasty.

And nobody ever knew. Like after, like the person sitting after would never know. That's fucked up. Yeah. Like they should at least have the thing that's in women's bathrooms that you lay over the toilets. Yeah, that little like liner. Like the person sitting after would never know. That's fucked up. Like they should at least have the thing that's in women's bathrooms that you lay over the toilets.

Yeah, that little like liner. Yeah, at least have liners next to your chair if you're gonna do that. Lysol wipes, perhaps? Yeah. Listen, the reason the people are blurred out on naked and afraid is because people don't need to see other people naked if you do not consent to it.

What is the difference between the person who is identified as a sexual predator who has to register as a sex offender because they flashed someone? Indecent exposure. Oh, indecent exposure, yeah. Versus the person who wants to go on a bike ride. That is so true.

Or, I don't know. That's true. What's the fucking difference? What is the difference, Justin? For the record, I've never done it. Since you wanna do it so bad. I identify as a flasher. I've never done it.

Since you're literally driving to, where is it? Philadelphia. That is a good question, yeah. That's a great question. I wonder if any of our listeners are In Philadelphia. Witnessing this. Ooh, I hope not.

Babe, what would you, we're never going to, obviously, but if for some reason I just broke up with you. Oh my God, my nightmare. Abandonment anxiety, everyone. Into the chat. We'll God, my nightmare. And then started- Panic and anxiety everyone. And then the chat. We'll talk about this later. No, it gets worse. Oh my God, perfect.

Prepare yourself. Rivers four-ish. Okay, already hating this. This is the future, she grows up so fast. And I come home and then I'm gonna introduce you to my new girl. Wait, I'm still living in the house? And you're bringing home your new girl?

My new girl is Casey Anthony, suspected murderer of her daughter. That's happening. Yeah, Casey Anthony, you may or may not know her, is the lady who years ago was accused of killing her daughter. She was a young mother, she partied a lot, her,ically, her daughter passed away in shady circumstances. She eventually was acquitted. She was found not guilty. A lot of people had a problem with that. Anyway, years have gone by.

She's moved on with her life. She apparently now is a home wrecker. Oh, my God. She broke up a marriage and now she has a boyfriend and this man has a young child. He's a dad of two? He's a dad. Dad of two. Oh my gosh.

Casey did it, right? We think she did. That's a lot of emotion. I feel like she definitely neglected her child. I remember watching it following the case. It's been a while. She Google searched foolproof suffocation methods and they didn't acknowledge that in the court case.

So, I mean, sorry, I just had to add that to the- That is crazy. Like someone who is on trial for murder clearly was not the best mother, not a good mother in some people's opinion. No, I think terrible mother. Okay, terrible mother. I think we know that for certain.

Okay. Yeah, can you give me a terrible mom and not kill your kid? You could just be neglectful and abusive. That is true. It seems like she was definitely those things. Yeah. Why did she get punished for that? Just being an asshole.

No, it was just like, it was a weird case. I think it's because she was young, she was pretty. There was a lot of things that were like in her favor, but they were saying there was a lot of evidence that wasn't put to trial that was very much pointing that she did it, so. Didn't her parents even, like, her parents think she did it?

Yeah. That's crazy. For a second, I don't know. It's kinda all fucked. It's messy. It's gross. But so she's been having an affair with a father of two since January

and the notorious murder defendant blew up her new man's 20 year marriage to be with him. Casey's friend, I was like, Casey, a married guy? And she just laughed and said, oh, shut up, I'm living the life I want. Yeah, that seems clear. Okay. I mean, I feel like we're not really shocked

that she's continuing to be, yeah, she hasn't changed. She hasn't gotten, we're still. That would be scary to be the guy. Like I'm dating someone that at least has been speculated on killing a two-year-old. Scary to be the guy. I'm like, scary to be the wife that you were just cheated on.

The wife, the torturer. And that's like from somebody that was on. The wife, the torturer. Yeah, that too, exactly. And it's like from somebody that was on trial for murdering their own child. No, your kids are in. He deserves to go to jail for her if nothing else being stupid as fuck.

Child endangerment? Like I feel like if the wife needs, whenever there's this court thing about the child, like she needs to 100% get full custody. Mm-hmm, that's true. Because now her kids are in the presence of someone who allegedly speculated. Absolutely, her kids are in the presence of someone who allegedly speculated. The only problem with that is she was found non-guilty.

But I think if, I don't know, you go to a judge and you're like, this person was on, they weren't found guilty, but they were on trial for murdering their child. I don't want them around my kids. I don't know how it works. I would hope that you're right, but my faith in the legal system.

I'm honestly kind of shocked she never changed her name. Me too, yeah. I think she's too much of a narcissist. Kind of a good idea. I think she likes the attention. A couple of years ago, a documentary came out of her, like she wants the attention. This is not a person who wants to like go away

and start over. It was on Peacock, I remember that. Natalie has a point. I knew her name before I knew what she did. Yeah, like you hear that name and you know that that's a bad person, if anything. Sure, but you know, there are some people who believe that no press is bad press

and I bet she's one of them. Terrible fucking person. Great news everyone, we are transition. Vanderpump rules is back. Yay. Speaking of narcissists. Yikes. Not all. We love many of them.

But there's probably at least one narcissist in the group. You have been throwing that word around lately for someone who's like, Hey, I'm just having fun, I'm feeling loose today. That's what the people are doing and you're like, You can't throw that word around. I'm not saying who is, I'm just saying there's a chance maybe someone is. Is Jordan Love a narcissist for injuring his leg during the last four seconds?

What? Is he? What a terrible- We're just throwing the word around, we're just having fun. Yeah, just casting it out. We're just throwing it around. I don't think so.

I'm learning. Yeah. Well, so Pump Rules is back, but also we know there's a potential spinoff in the works. So we've seen images of cameras and crews and mics at Sir with like new cast members. So people actually working at the restaurant. Right, right, right.

So that might be part of the new season, but also it's like speculated that it's like a spinoff. Maybe, maybe they're gonna try to... To revamp it or bring it back. But how is that, what Vanderpump Villa? What? Well, I'm assuming different. How is that not Vanderpump?

But it's like, I felt like that was a new Vanderpump. Oh right, like different location. I mean, in my head, Lisa's kind of exiting Bravo. That's my own like. And moving to Hulu. Thinking that she doesn't want, like she's not on Beverly Hills Housewives, she's kind of not even in Vanderpump anymore.

That's true. So I'm like maybe she won't be in the new spinoff and it's just the workers of the restaurant. So are we not calling it Vanderpump? We don't know. We just, I think what they're trying to do is that no longer does anybody work at the restaurant. So they need people that actually work there

to redo the whole concept. I think the biggest news of all this is that they, allegedly it says the entire cast, which entire cast means Ariana. Allegedly. Allegedly, which, you know. Do you think that also means Raquel Rachel? No.

She's not part of the cast anymore. She's judging pageants again. I saw that. Okay, period. That's random, but go back to roots. That's why she's not. Based off of what? What category?

Swimsuits. Oh, not character. So she might be busy doing something else. She still will be talking about it, I am sure. Well, Kristin Doty is engaged. Congratulations, Kristin. Yay. We love that for Kristin. So happy for her.

So am I. That is so sweet. I think it happened in Hawaii. I believe The Valley was filming, so we'll probably see it later on. Do you think that they were like, hey, we're taking a cast trip to Hawaii, and then Luke was like, well, that's a better place to propose than our house or somewhere, you know,

and was like, luscious? Or do you think he told like, well, that's a better place to propose than our house or somewhere, you know, and was like, luscious. Or do you think he told producers, like, I wouldn't propose, and they were like, let's go somewhere? I feel like he probably planned it knowing that they were going to Hawaii. It's a good opportunity. Yeah.

I think, usually how it goes, is that going into the season, someone sat down with Luke, was like, What's going on? Any chance we might propose? Because last season was like the child. Because if you do, hop up, I was like, what's going on? Any chance we might propose? Cause last season was like the child. Cause if you do, hop up, we do here, something like that. Okay.

That's so sick. Like literally just being like, hey, let's take the pressure off of you. We'll do a boat ride. You don't have to pay for shit. Yeah, we'll plan the whole thing. And her ring is stunning. It is really pretty.

He did a really good job. So happy for Kristin. Is this her first time being engaged? Yes. Yes. That wasn't meant to be like, guess no no no she's age multiple She's been like long-term relationships like she's that type of girl, but yet no never engaged So I'm happy for her that she found her partner. Someone said where is Sheena?

How she not check on Sheena check on Sheena Sheena well Sheena's engaged and married Yeah, but she also got engaged and married twice on Vanderpump. It's also, cause I do wonder about that because Jack's proposed to Brittany at like Neptune's net next to a bunch of biker gangs at a picnic table and they went on a cast trip I think to like Mexico or something like that. Like it's like, why? Oh no, the worst engagement of all time was- Schwartz and Katie?

Yeah, Schwartz and Katie. At Pearls? There was some creativeness to it. What? No. It was like in malls. Did he like involve? It was at a potluck. No, it was at Tom Sandoval's birthday dinner,

but he had actors make a proposal next to him, and then he took the ring from them. It was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. Yeah, that's crazy. He missed the mark, but I see the effort. It was terrible. I see some effort there. The fact that you have a network behind the possibility

of a webber proposal... Yeah. Yes. It was some effort there. The fact that you have a network behind the possibility of a webbing proposal, it was some weak sauce. I mean, you can say that now because the marriage is over. We know how that ended up. Speaking of the valley, did y'all see that Zach Wickham, he posted in a tweet, riddle me this, how was it possible you come out of rehab a worse person than you went in? I guess referring to Jack. I can answer that.

You probably didn't take it seriously. Maybe you just did it for the clout of the intention or for the show. That's how, I mean, I don't know. Is that too harsh of him to tweet though? Like, are we supposed to support? I guess it depends on what Jax has done. Yeah, we don't know yet.

It's really hard because it's the Jax Taylor of it all. Exactly. Jax Taylor has proven over the years to be capable of anything. And sympathy doesn't work. Nothing should surprise you. He is willing to take advantage or use or exploit all these things that we wouldn't want to exploit

like mental health or therapy to his own benefit. So it's as hard to take any of it seriously. Now he seems like somebody, unfortunately, where I'm just speculating, I don't know, but he does seem like somebody that would kind of weaponize things that he learned in therapy and make that somebody else's problem. A trump card.

Yeah, you know, since I'm interested. I mean, Jax did say on his podcast, and for context, it's the one he shared with Brittany, but on this specific episode, it's just Jax. Wait, how did Jax get the podcast and the divorce? I'm assuming it's like a joint custody thing. It's joint custody. I think they're sharing the podcast. We don't know yet assuming it's like a joint custody thing. They're sharing the podcast?

We don't know yet. Like she films an episode with whomever she wants to film one with and then he films with whomever he wants. It's in the works of deciding what happens, I think. I think it's like one week on, one week off. Okay, yeah. What did Jax do?

So he said, just because I went to the facility for 30 days definitely doesn't mean I'm coming out cured or changed by any means. Although I wish it did work that way, I'm a work in progress. I was like, God, I know the world's gonna hit me with a ton of bricks, and I got to go back to filming the valley.

I know everybody's mad at me and they're going to come at me. So he is, he went straight from the facility straight to filming the valley. I'm sorry, I can't sympathize with your mental health diagnosis if you're gonna go right back into filming reality TV. I agree, but also I can see where he's like,

I'm gonna come out with a ton of enemies, like I'm gonna be made, possibly made the villain regardless of my change. I can kinda see that part. But again, that's why I'm like, I need to know what happened before him going in because I'm like, in what world would you choose to better yourself and expect that people

would still hate you coming out of it unless what you did was that bad, and you're also not willing to take responsibility for it after the fact. It's just, you know, we talk about this all the time on reality TV. We got Whitney, part of the Secret Lives of Mormon Hives, already fighting with her castmates in the Secret Lives

of Mormon Hives. That is a mouthful. Can we get a nickname for this show? I mean, I keep saying Secret Lives. I keep saying Secret Wives and Mormon Lives. I say a mouthful. Can we get a nickname for this show? I mean, I keep saying. Secret lives. Secret lives. I keep saying secret wives on Mormon lives. I say that too.

I mean, I don't get it wrong. Secret lives of the hives on Mormons. Good Lord, they had a bad allergic reaction. That's hilarious. Anyways, Whitney's fighting with her castmates. She's blaming the edit. They're arguing in their comments section. They're arguing in the comments.

Listen, we know that networks, producers, TV shows do exploit mental health for TV. But again, we all know this. When do people who sign up for these shows get criticized for exploiting their own mental health? You can exploit your own mental health, can you not? Is that fair to say? You can definitely say no and protect yourself. Or put the phone down, don't film the breakdown.

Put the phone down, don't film the breakdown. Put the phone down, don't film the breakdown. And don't film the breakdown. I love that. Yeah, you can just opt out. Well, and Andy also, I remember maybe it was like season six or seven of like a reunion, but it was a constant, maybe, yeah, I think season six, cause Jackson cheated, but it was like them playing every reunion

where he sits down and goes, I'm just a work in progress. I'm learning. I'm just, I'm trying to be better than I was yesterday. And then it's like the next following season, you did something worse than the previous season. So that's where it's also kind of like, I would love to have faith in you, Jax,

but at the same time, it's like, you know, you're gonna somehow end up being the victim because you went to therapy, but like, you're not gonna take responsibility for anything that you've done to put you there. I think the next headline might be my favorite of the week. And this is off the heels of us very much having Lala's back last week when we were recapping Vanderpump

on season four of Vile Files Plus, in case you haven't signed up for it yet. We are popping off and recapping Vanderpump. We're on the tail end of season four. Anyways, we were a very team Lala this past episode. Not so much with this one. Do you want me to read it? Yeah, please.

So Lala Kent is holding off announcing her baby's name for Beyonce's birthday, which has passed now. And she still hasn't posted? She hasn't announced it. But in what world is Lala or her child competing with Beyonce? Well, I mean, I don't see it as competing. Cause she said-

She does. Well, she said, I need to make sure that we can't announce today, no one's going to give a shit, it's Beyonce's birthday. And she basically said, I want to give my baby a moment. Like her name deserves a moment. That she is saying that she is competing with Beyonce. This day is Beyonce's birthday every day.

And if that was the day that your baby was born, it doesn't make a difference. And I don't think people are stopping their lives because it's Beyonce's birthday. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. But I think like. But that is implying that she thinks she's in the same. Bracket or the same audience. Is Beyonce. Yeah.

Like was there any other press that day or did all press stop for Beyonce's birthday? Well, I guess it stopped according to what. I didn't even know it was Beyonce's birthday. Sorry, Beyonce. That's what I was gonna say. I was like, there's usually like maybe a Vogue post or something, but I'm like, I don't think it's a national holiday

where the news broadcast and everybody is talking about on Twitter, Beyonce's birthday. But I am now like very curious as to what this baby's name is, because it, I mean. Well the good news is you'll be able to find out on Lala's next Amazon Live. Probably. Probably.

She did say, I'm going to wait, baby S deserves her moment. So we know it's next Amazon live. I'm sure. Probably. Probably. She did say, I'm going to wait. Baby S deserves her moment. So we know it's an S name. Okay. She said it's a body of water or it has to do. It's like in, it goes with ocean. Sea.

Sea. That's what I thought, but I don't know. I don't know. Waters. Baby S. She's like, there's an S in the name somewhere. Salt water. It might be Beyonce. Beyonce. Beyonce. Beyonce. That's, and that's why she has to name somewhere. Salt water. It might be Beyonce. Beyonce. Beyonce.

Beyonce. That's why she has to wait. Beyonce can't. Beyonce can't. I mean, it's giving Sheena. Maybe it's Sheena. You solved it. Maybe it is Sheena.

Wait. Baby S. Baby S. Because only Sheena would not wanna share the spotlight with Beyonce on her birthday. Yeah. Wow. Did you solve it?

No, but I truly am. And when, how long ago was this that she said this? Was this like- This was last week. So like she did it in a prerecorded episode, but Beyonce's birthday was the fourth, she gave birth on the third. And so, I mean, I need to look at Lala's page right now.

I was hoping she was just joking, but- I think it was, she loves Beyonce, and I think she just said like, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna wait till after her birthday to announce it. That's why I don't think it's when she loves Beyonce and I think she just said, like, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna wait till after her birthday to announce it. That's why I don't think it's like seriously a competition. I mean, I know, I don't think Lala, if you ask Lala, she thinks she's competing,

but it's just like, why put that out there as if like, just announce the name. Maybe she did it for herself. She's like, I can't think about anything but Beyonce till after. So like, for my own sake of giving my baby the moment. She's like, I need, I personally need to give my baby her moment and I can't today because Beyonce.

Because at the end of the day, and this isn't directed at Lala, it's directed at everyone. No one really gives a fuck what you name your child because. I mean, we moved on from Justin Bieber that quickly. So quickly. What did you name this kid? Exactly. Jack Blue's. You loved the middle name.

I did, that's right. I did. But see, you forget. And he said it a week name. I did. That's right. I did. But see, you forget. And he said it a week before Beyoncé's birthday. There you go. Oh. Oh. And nobody was affected.

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I'm hooked. No, I'm hooked too. I cannot wait to see her famous product. Chemical peels scare me. As a skincare person, I'm like, that's a lot of damage for good skin. You have the good skin after, but I'm like. She's been showing that. She doesn't care.

Burnt to a crisp face on. Crispy. I do appreciate it though. I will say as much as I don't like seeing it, I'm also like, I appreciate the transparency and that you're not just gonna show up to the reunion with a new face and be like, oh God, I drink water and olive oil. Like, you know.

Because with chemical peels, people usually like hibernate and like get off earth for like two weeks. Maybe if you can, if you do that someday, take a vacation. From you? Yeah. What do you mean?

You won't be there for me at my worst? Sweetheart, if you for some reason walk into a burning building and unnecessarily. That's a real peel. Yeah, I mean, again, if an accident happens If you, for some reason, walk into a burning building and unnecessarily- That's a real appeal. Well, yeah. Again, if an accident happens and a tragedy happens where you have some burns, I'm there.

If you choose to fuck up your face for a week- You don't take care of me. I just don't know. I don't wanna see the camera. You're gonna send me off to boarding school or something. You're gonna send me away. I just or something. You're gonna send me away. I just. You're just saying that.

You would be there. I mean, if I had to be. You would rub the Vaseline on her face. You wouldn't rub the Vaseline. Did you see her face? I did. And did you see her husband helping her every step of the way?

Admirable. Triumphant. Triumphant of her husband. I think he's making her do it because she's gonna take him off the teat. What? The money tree. Okay.

I think Tamara's the- The breadwinner? Yeah. Pop off, Tam. She's not giving him a choice. Oh, so he's nerve. Baby, I would be there by your side. You would be there.

I close my eyes, I just feel like, what can I? Do you even know where the shirt is from? Where's the shirt from? Did I buy it for you? No. Looks good. You don't recognize it at all? What kind of kinky shit did we do in it?

No, my God. Oh my God, nothing. Did we get engaged in it? Are you serious? She's wearing a dress. I don't. Even I know that. What?

Give us a hint. Oh my gosh, this was the shirt I was wearing when we went on our walk. And- In Venice? No. When we were living here and I was like, we were not public yet. Oh, when we got popped?

Yes, and the paparazzi were like hiding and we had no idea. How was I supposed to remember that? Well, because it was like. All I remember was my stupid face. You didn't have a stupid face. I had a stupid face. I remember I was leaving the house

to go get the COVID vaccine. And I was wearing this shirt. And yeah, it's from Urban Outfitters. Can I pop off? It is giving her a punch. You'll remember that next time. I will. I put it on this morning and every time I look at it,

I'm like, this is like- Our coming out party. Our coming out party outfit. Wait, that is sweet. Right? Like I can't ever get rid of it because one day I'll be like River look at this photo. This is like.

I don't think you should get rid of it because you look fucking it. Okay. Jesus Christ. That was like kind of a grass. Don't you think? I love my wife. Should we make out?

Should we leave? I was like we can leave, I'll go. Oh my God. Oh my God, you too. Oh my God, wait a second. All right, anyways, is, question. Justin and I, uh, uh. I'm looking down, I'm like, is it?

Mom, dad, please. Stop, please. Justin, do you agree that there are bad people who are part of Bravo Universe? Like cast? Yeah, like there's inherently bad people. I don? Yeah, like just inherently bad people. I don't know, I choose to believe people aren't bad. You do.

I choose to try to believe that they make bad decisions, unless you're evil. There are some evil criminals out there, but like for Bravo. But you're right. I think the majority of human beings are good people who sometimes do bad things, and we have hopefully an opportunity to apologize,

take accountability, reconcile, yada yada. And then there are just people who just, you know, Jax Taylor, if you will, I think the collective people in this household believe that he is not of the good natured quality. Who are you? Minus Jax Taylor. Who are you implying? I'm wondering if Tamara Judge is a bad person. I don't think she's a bad person.

I think she's lost in the storyline and she does bad things because she cares more about The show than her friends. Yeah, doesn't mean I assume she's a good mother to like her kids and her friends off. We've seen on the show That's a bit of a leap. She's a good friends with Teddy Assumably, so I think like she's just lost when the show is showing and they're filming. She's like I'll do anything Like I think she's that's just who she is. But we know that Bravo incentivize, like. Yeah. You get paid more.

I agree with you too that I do think that people are inherently good and do make mistakes and whatnot. It's another thing to make the same mistake over and over again and not take responsibility for it. And that's what I'm saying. Like bringing people onto the show to expose their weaknesses, claiming to be their friend.

Like that's not something that a good person does just for a paycheck. What is going on with Shannon has been one of the tougher things I've had to watch on Bravo. At every episode, it just feels like the emotional abuse of a very troubled person trying her best to fix her life. Shannon made a mistake.

She is paying the consequences. She is facing the consequences of the legal system. It's been costly. It's been reputationally damaging to her. It's probably been emotionally damaged. Again, I think she got arrested for it. And then on top of that, like what we are witnessing with these group of women, just it's hard to, it's just, it's fucking mean and cruel.

And just all of it, you know, even Gina, It's hard to, it's fucking mean and cruel. And just all of it. Even Gina, the whole video of it all, everyone knows about the video, but Shannon. They're all talking about it. Shannon did say Gina was one of her biggest supporters. And I am glad that Gina did say that. I know it was definitely a fuck up,

but Shannon deserved to know. And now she can handle it in the way she needed to instead of it being like sprung on her where she's like put in this corner of like Fuck like what do I do or heaven forbid it be released? idea, I mean they keep talking about this video this video this video as As I stand now everyone on this cast minus Shannon, I think a little bit less of, even our dear friend, and I'm a big fan of,

even wonderful Heather. It's just how can anyone, why isn't anyone just really coming to Shannon's defense? I feel like Gina and Emily are not too Alexis, so. You know, Heather said as much as like, ooh, it's just kind of a little mean. They're kind of like, kind of suggesting that this is a little, maybe this is a little too much.

But like, where's Shannon's like, like ride or die sidekick who's really to have her back. Like Vicki, like where's Shannon's Vicki outside of Vicki. And coming here and say, stop this. Stop this, this is wrong, this is inappropriate. No one's doing that, not even Heather. And I just think, I think a little bit less of the entire cast for allowing this to go on.

It's acting as if like, you know, every one of this cast is giving the whole like, oh, that's really sad, but like, I don't know, I don't wanna get involved. Like, I don't, it's not really a me problem. Like, you know, you see something that's kind of fucked up, but you don't want to stick your two cents into it because you don't want to take on the shrapnel of the... You stick your business where it doesn't belong and you catch strays. What could have Shannon done

that justify this type of behavior? They said, and they keep talking about the video, allegedly, during the whole DUI accident of all that Shannon almost hit John's child, which would have been, I mean, that would have been fucking terrible. Thank God it didn't happen. Obviously if it did happen, it's a whole other level of tragedy and consequence.

But also, you know what almost hit means? Didn't hit. You know what I'm saying? It didn't happen. And it also, we're hearing this from Alexis, who I struggle to believe sometimes. I think she definitely is blowing up John's side to make it seem like more hate against Shannon.

And so I think almost hit could also be like. It never happened. Potentially. You know, I don't know, maybe her daughter, maybe his daughter was outside and now, you know, it's like my daughter watched that. And then it turned into like watched her speed off and then turned and like was close to the car

and then almost hit her. Like, I feel like it's kind of a little. They keep referring to like, oh, she put John through so much during this. Like what, what did she, what? His reputation? His reputation is. He's an insurance agent in Orange County.

Like what reputation is being relied on? I mean, my opinion of John, who I've never met, and my opinion of John and Alexis could not be lower. Worse, yeah. Alexis kind of reeled it back this episode because she said with the whole suing that she tried to tell him to settle, take the settlement and that he told her no.

Well, and that's what's- So even Alexis is kind of turning off a little bit maybe. No, because she said she's gonna have his back no matter what, but what I think is interesting, and Natalie, this is kind of a question for you too, but I'm like, red flags that women choose to ignore, where I'm seeing how much vitriol he has towards Shannon while he's in this relationship with Alexis,

should that not be a blaring red flag? Absolutely. Don't fuck up. And then you're gonna get engaged, still talking about your ex, trying to sue her, like that's actually kind of crazy. Yeah. And what do you think he's gonna do to you when you piss him off?

Or when he no longer wants to be with you? And then, you know, Tamara really seems to be promoting and supporting Alexis. Every time she has an opportunity to talk down and criticize Shannon, even for the- She jumps on, yeah. She jumps on, especially from drinking to parenting, which, again, Tamara doesn't seem to be in a position

to criticize anyone for either drinking or parenting. And Tamara also likes to talk shit about Alexis and how much she talks and all that stuff. I was like, this is a person who's a friend to none. Two-faced. I'm sorry. And again, yeah, I mean, if you want to do it for the money or do it for the plot or do it for the show, sure. Like you can be, there's no question that Tamara

is an excellent housewife, entertaining. We can even be grateful that she's on the show for entertainment purposes. She's excellent TV, that she can still be grateful that she's on the show for entertainment purposes. She's excellent TV, that she can still be a bad person. Somebody I wouldn't want to know personally. Well, I just wonder if she's, and I don't agree with what Tamara's doing at all, but if off camera is her actual friends that aren't castmates, I'm sure she's probably good friends with them.

Short of Shannon being like, honestly, this is all bullshit and fake and I don't care. Short of that, Tamara doesn't get to be like, I'm doing it for the show, I wouldn't normally do this. Like if you're doing it for the show at the risk of torturing Shannon, you're potentially, like that's not how. It always backfires, like not to bring Lisa Renna back up, but that's what Lisa did on Beverly Hills

and she eventually like ran out of the storyline because everybody hated her and it was like, we can't have a villain that's completely just a villain on the show. I mean, also, I think Shannon's like, at the end, when she shows that she sent a photo of her bloodied face to John, and he responded, texted her,

but had no response to the photo, hours later. Yeah. I mean, heartbreaking. She said that she blockeded out and then crashed into the planter three to five seconds after she left the driveway. So it's like she implied that John Jensen, she implied that he should have heard her or would have heard the crash or whatever.

And then he ignored the photo and didn't text until the police came to the door, which is even more sus where it's like, so you could have maybe known that your girlfriend was hurt I didn't check didn't care and you had a picture sent to you clearly and acted like Nothing happened. It's icky To answer your question Nick about like should the woman have done more which I think they should have or like supported more but I wonder also if like they were afraid of

Associating themselves with something that is potentially legal and bad would look bad on them. Either way, I still judge you, I'm sorry. Even in Bravo history, when Kyle Richards supported Erika Jayne, she kind of got hate. When Heather supported Jen, she got hate. Sometimes doing the right thing

can get you criticism for sure. I mean, no one's sitting here defending Shannon for a DUI, I'm pretty sure we- No, it's bad. We- When it happened. You know, before we watched the season, when it happened, we didn't have a lot of nice things to say about Shannon.

But now that she's sitting here really seemingly trying to do right and be a better person, this bullying and this, you know, feeling like these are the people who feel like they're entitled to hold her accountable and everyone is just standing by watching this going down. And the best these women can do is feel bad for Shannon. That's all they're doing. They're just, oh, yeah, it really sucks what Shannon's going through. Oh, it sucks. Oh, I really feel bad. Have her back. Someone have her back. And again, Heather needs new friends. I just, I cannot. It's just Heather

having these scenes with all these women going through legal and financial problems when Heather seemingly, and again, I don't think she needs to solve all these women's financial problems. But you can't be hanging out with a bunch of people when you are loaded up, you know, you have more money than you know what to do with. You have all the, you're sitting there, should we live here in this mansion or should we live in this other mansion?

It just, it makes you look out of touch and insensitive. And I don't mind accusing Heather of being either of those things. She didn't look very in touch with this episode though. Cause you had the fundraiser and then like her kids like going to school in LA so they're not bullied. That doesn't make you a good person though. You think Heather's a bad person?

No, I'm just saying in these moments, all these women are watching this person getting emotionally abused and bullied. And again, maybe it's just the edit, but this seems so fucking cruel to me and no one is having her back. They're just feeling sorry for her. And to me, like standing up for someone

in the face of criticism, it is, you know, like when I wanna raise my daughter and our kids, that like when they go to middle school and high school to protect people, I hope my kid doesn't get bullied. But kids bully. And if our children witness bullying, I hope they stand up to bullies, even if that means they catch a little heat

from their friends. I don't know if she will. If you see something wrong, speak up. Yeah, and I just, to me that- Well, and it's funny because Heather got upset with Gina over like not speaking up about Katie about this like paparazzi photo and yet someone's being extorted and essentially blackmailed about videos and like you're like, no, this is where I stay out of it. Where I'm like, I feel like that's 10 times more important than whether or not you staged paparazzi photos.

Reminds me and it's like a very dark, but it reminds me of whenever my ex-boyfriend was incredibly abusive and we lived with his friends. And as he's beating the shit out of me, his friend opens up the door, cause he hears all of it and he like comes out and looks at me and I look at him and I'm like, help me and he's like, I'm not getting this

and shuts his door. And it's like, I hate him as much as I had hate for my ex. It's like, you are not a good person because you don't stand up for people and you don't speak up when something's wrong. And yeah, I think I definitely wanna raise River and our kids to if you see someone who needs help, like help them.

Help them. And not be a part of the problem. And Heather in her privilege and wealth is in a position to help so many people, especially her friends. And it's just hard to watch her at most, all she's done is kind of suggest that it's a little too much.

And I honestly, I'm disappointed in this entire cast, especially Heather, because I have high expectations of Heather. And I'm assuming Heather has high expectations of herself, but I think she is falling short of stepping up and doing the right thing. And I, for the life of me, can't understand why any of these women can't, aren't doing that. Every time I'm watching this, it is just like someone says something. This is so fucked.

I mean, I saw a preview that Emily does confront Alexis. So I'm looking forward to that. Eventually. Eventually. But what is it, the whole Spider-Man? With great power comes great responsibility. And I think Heather has a responsibility to step up and Help someone that she can help and she's not all of them and that they're all of them

I would love any of these women to step up But like I guess why I'm more critical of Heather is like Jen is going through her own shit She's going through divorce It'd be easy It would be easy to understand Jen like not having the bandwidth to worry about Shannon's problems because she's got so many problems of her own. Heather, just like, Heather's biggest problem is figuring out which house to spend this weekend. For the season specifically.

Whatever, I'm just, I'm making it, you know. It's seemingly Heather's biggest problem. And I'm sure Heather's had her shit and everyone, just because you're rich and privileged doesn't mean you don't face tragedy and adversity. But it just, the optics of Heather hanging around these group of women, having all this privilege and having seemingly very little problems and her biggest problem is like which house. I think Jen is the only person who has the excuse. I don't, I think Katie, I think Emily, I mean, Gina, they're all sitting there listening to her sob

and they're like, maybe Katie's like, maybe Emily, you should possibly say something, maybe. And Emily's like, well, I don't. It's like, what the fuck? Just go to Alexis and be like, you're a piece of shit. What are you doing? Stop, like this woman's broken. She's nothing. Yeah, I just, yeah.

That's why it's, yeah, she looks broken. Why is this, this isn't fun. This isn't drama. This is cruel. I'll just say, not accepting the settlement, all of that, it just seems like you want to go as hard as possible to ruin this woman's life. And even them going on the red carpet situation,

and John literally was like saying that he paid off, was gonna pay off Alexis to not go on the show, and now you guys are doing red carpets. Like the whole thing is just like everything that they put out, saying that Shannon's a bad person, and that he was forced to do things he didn't wanna do while dating Shannon, he's doing optionally with Alexis. Alexis is trying her hardest to like restore

John's reputation and prove everything Shannon said was wrong and it's like, well actually you're just digging him a deeper fucking hole because I, before when he was with Shannon I was like, oh yeah, whatever. Now I'm like, I fucking hate this guy. Right? So I think-

I think Alexis was trying to secure a second season, but I think she's doing the opposite. But everything we know about John Jansen or whatever just makes us hate him. So I'm like, you did the exact opposite by having her on the show to be your spokesperson because you look awful. And I knew nothing about you beforehand.

Everything I know about this man is against my will. yet now I fucking hate this man. Yeah secret lives The show's great. The show's phenomenal. I love it. They're stars Whitney amazing villain I think the best part is is she doesn't realize yeah that she's a villain which makes a great villain I think she thought she was doing choices for like the betterment of her help But because the rest of the group did the opposite, she became the villain. Well, it's just, it's like that whole saying, like a friend to everyone is a friend to none. And like, that's kind of like her whole thing.

And it's like, oh, well, to get close to you, I'm gonna tell you that everyone has said terrible things about you, but I'm the only one who's like been there for you. But then if I wanna get close to you, I'm gonna like, you know, it's like. Well, then we found out from talking to Taylor last week that it actually was Whitney who reached out when the mom talk scandal came Out the soft swingers there was speculation of them filming

We learned after talking to Taylor that they did, you know start filming and they were trying to film something create a pilot then Taylor got arrested things put it got put on pause then later on, the rest of the cast got together and wanted to do the show, and it was Whitney who reached out to Taylor to extend an olive branch, which is fascinating, but the more we get to learn about Whitney, it seems calculated and cunning, and it seems like the only reason Whitney did it is to seemingly make sure that Taylor was the villain

and not Whitney. That's how it comes across. I don't know if that's how actually it was. But every scene that Whitney's in, she seems like she's trying to set up someone else. Well, that's what I was gonna say is that I'm like, typically I feel like Mean Girl gets thrown around all the time with these reality TV shows

where I'm like, not necessarily. Everything I've been seeing with Whitney, I'm like, this girl is calculated to either embarrass somebody, expose somebody, make them think that they're hated or make them insecure. And I'm like, that is is calculated to either embarrass somebody, expose somebody, make them think that they're hated or make them insecure. And I'm like, that is what a mean girl does. Pretends and smiles in your face while she's like,

literally diabolically blowing up your life or trying to embarrass you at any chance she gets. And Whitney seems to be, again, we don't know her, we didn't get a chance to talk to her, the type of person who never sees it. Because in their mind, they're always right. And she flips it, yeah, and it's like, I can't believe you'd get mad at me for doing that.

That's insane. The first scene is her throwing her husband under the bus. Truly wild. That is crazy. It is so crazy. She's like, I have to tell everyone. Everyone, huh? I'm sorry I made you escape for a couple of months in Hawaii, but now that we're back and the cameras are up,

we're gonna expose you. And so for those of you who don't know, it seems like her husband was emotionally cheating on her. Was on Tinder. Was on Tinder sending nudes. Sending photos. Inappropriate, wrong. With a porn addiction.

Terrible. With the porn addiction. You shouldn't have done that. But she chose to stay with him, and like either way, like you are still exposing your husband. For storyline. For sympathy.

I don't think she had bad intent with that. Like that's her story, her life. Like that's why she left. But here's the thing, I think Whitney's problem is that when she thinks she's a victim in a situation, or when she thinks she's right in a situation, she doesn't think about how it will affect other people so that she is seen in a positive light.

She's like, I just wanna get validation from this. Even when she goes to him, like, I don't know how it's gonna be when we go to church on Sunday, I don't know if everyone's gonna hate you. Like, it's like, why would you even put that out there? Like, your husband, like, that's a father-in-law. I'll stay beside you. You chose to forgive and work on your relationship.

I mean, you know, people go through shit, you know, if she wanted to leave his ass for doing that, she would have every right, but she chose to stay in this. Marriage is tough. People go through extreme highs and lows. And so what you're gonna expose them. And then when the girls get together and you wanna tell this story,

I've never seen someone, she was mad at Taylor for taking the heat off her husband. It was crazy because she tells everyone and they're all like, oh my gosh, okay, so what happened? And then they're basically like, okay, well, if you're good, we're good, we won't really give a fuck. And then Taylor's like, all right, seems like the conversation's over.

So I'm going through this miscarriage and Whitney's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I wasn't done talking about my cheating husband, let's continue to talk about it. And it's like, I thought the, whoa, I wasn't done talking about my cheating husband. Like, let's continue to talk about it. And it's like, I thought the conversation. When you get together with friends for like, I don't know, friend night, game night, or maybe it's just like, let's all have wine and let's just talk and, you know,

hey, I got, you guys, I got a prom. You know, just because you're the first one who talks about your prom doesn't mean like, you own the night. The night, no. No, let alone that like, if I'm like airing a grievance or some sort of like irritation that I have, it's like, get it out there.

But it's like the second if somebody says something, you're like, no, no, no. Like I can feel this way. You, we're not gonna talk. We're not going on a bashing thing. She was like, please, my husband, fair game. Go for it. Literally. Hit him like a pinata.

I don't know. Maybe I'm being devil's advocate, but I'm like, the women were talking about potential tinder and like cheating before she talked to her husband. So I see it kind of as respectful that she had the conversation with her husband, then brought it up. She would have had to talk about the cheating regardless. Listen, I think if all we saw was that scene,

then I don't think I would have thought anything of it. And that scene, I mean her and her husband talking about what her husband did. It was a bit jarring that we don't know these people, and it's kind of the first real scene that they're in. Yeah, I agree with that. You're like, wow. But then as we keep watching,

you see Whitney's, at least TV character. We don't know if she's like this in life. And it just, it seemed like, ugh. And then for her to get mad at Taylor because she didn't get to talk more about the shitty things her husband did, just kind of like, wow, you just, it just comes across as if she is willing

at throwing any of her quote unquote friends and her own husband under the bus as long as she looks good. Looks good, mm-hmm. Yeah. And that's how it comes across. You didn't get that vibe? I don't know.

I feel like, okay, I'm the type where if everybody's hating on one person, I feel like she deserves some advocacy. So I'm trying to see her side while the internet's hating on her. No, listen, I totally appreciate that. I don't think, you know, Whitney, I'm sure she has a lot of good qualities. We're just not seeing it with what we're seeing. The show, no. I mean, I know we haven't covered it. We'll get into the last episodes of Mormon Wives on Reality Recap this week, on Thursday. Have you seen the baby video of Whitney?

And this was a scandal. I saw it when it came out, yeah. When it came out. I've watched this video 50 times. It's just jarring. When Whitney had her first child, her baby had some health concerns. Okay. Some breathing problems.

RSV was in the hospital. RSV. I don't know. Thank you. And anytime your newborn baby is not doing well, that's, I'm imagining, scary. Traumatizing, yeah. And Whitney being a mom talk, TikToker, and doing all the dances, her baby was in the hospital,

and she did a Tik Tok dance talking about her sick baby, and she goes and kisses her baby as if it's this sweet moment. And then the transition is just so jarring where she has this heart and then she dances. Oh my God, it's so, look at this. It's so, ah. I have so many questions.

One, when did she do said dance? Did she learn the dance after she got the idea? Did she know this dance ahead of time? Was it like in the hopper? Did she have it, like had already learned? The heart is crazy. The kiss and then the heart straight to the dance moves is crazy.

As an influencer myself, who every once in a while will- Post a TikTok. Post a TikTok or Instagram live. One of Natalie's biggest pet peeves is when I record a story and I do some editing or I put some captions on it and me with my slow thumbs and bad typing, it just replays over and over.

You just hear the sound of whatever it is I recorded. Turn it down, turn it off. You know what you're saying. It's over and over and over. You just hear the sound of whatever it is I recorded. And I'm like, turn it down, turn it off, you know what you're saying. It's over and over and over, right? And so I gotta assume, and on in this video of Whitney, she has captions, there's a lot of like text, it took a while to make, but how many times did she watch it before she posted it, and no time was she thinking,

oh, I don't know, maybe I shouldn't post this. Maybe this might not hit the way I think it would. Maybe listen, we've all posted things that don't land. I don't think this video makes her a bad person at all. I also cannot imagine, because you know, this happened, I don't even know how long ago, a long time ago that she did this.

She thought it was done. And yeah, she got her hate, and she thought it was over, so she moved on, and then she's on the show, it brings it back up again. Everyone's like, oh my God, yeah, that was terrible, and she's having to relive. So I cannot imagine what she is going through

just on that side of it being like, oh my God, I thought we were over this. It is wild. But it is a very crazy video. Did you wanna play devil's advocate for that one? It's hard when your life is your influence, right? For sure. And like she's mom talks,

so the idea of her being a mom is like what her kids are going through. So she's being transparent in it, but also I admit doing a TikTok dance is kind of like, you could have posted like a crying selfie instead of a dance while your baby's right next to you. She just fucked up. She shouldn't have done it.

She fucked up. There's no like real justifiable excuse. It's just like in that moment, she was tone deaf. Tone deaf. That's what she needs to say. I am excited to continue on recapping this on Thursday because the show is good. It's so good.

They're kind of smart getting high by getting Botox. Like if I can't smoke a joint, let me just make my face look prettier. No, I think one of the most fascinating things about this show is the religious element, right? And as someone who grew up incredibly Catholic, the ways in which super religious people find loopholes for sin and things they're not supposed to do,

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How are you? Good. How you doing? I'm great. How's your heart? Better now. Better now. Yeah, better.

Why was it bad? You know, you get broken up with on live TV. It doesn't feel good. You got broken up with a while ago. What's in your heart? Better now. Better now? Yeah, better. Why was it bad? You know, you get broken up with on live TV. It doesn't feel good. You got broken up with a while ago. Yeah, but. Aw, it took him a while to feel. Yeah, but then you gotta rewatch it back.

That's true. You know what I mean? So you have to relive that moment and then you have these internal battles that you clearly watched me go through in the back of that SUV. I've known you for about two minutes. And I'm already wondering why you're not.

And we love Grant Ellis. We love Grant. We love Grant. We are excited for Grant. Seems like a really great guy. That being said, he did not finish in the final four. We didn't really get an opportunity to watch his love story or see his heart getting broken. You seem great.

Why aren't you? It's funny, I ran into one of the big dogs this weekend. And I was like, love, Grant, but why isn't Jonathan your bachelor? To which they replied, I don't know. Was there a conversation? Did you, you don't have like a scary past or anything? No, no, nobody asked.

No one asked. Not even topic of discussion. But he got the first invite to Paradise in 10 years. So I hope you're single by then. But there wasn't even a conversation. It wasn't even a conversation? Nobody asked me. No one called.

You didn't even have like an informal meeting. It's crazy. Nobody even said, keep an eye out. Just. Sleep with one eye open. Nothing. No. Nothing. Wow. What box don't you check?

The over six foot box. I mean, I'm feeling good. The first thing I said to John, and then when I went and met him out in the hall was, you're not short at all. He's a perfectly adequate height. You should put in your bio taller in person. I mean, he's not six-two.

I don't wanna let anybody down though. They could be like, oh. But you are a legit 5'11", it seems. Yeah. Yep. It's a solid height. Joey and I are the same height. There you go. Oh my gosh.

That's all he's saying, Joey. That's all he's saying. And we loved Joey. As you were my front runner on the show. I appreciate it. I told them, I was like, I wanted to slam my computer shut when I saw you go home. We actually, we were all Team Jonathan.

We had Jen on and we were like, what does a life look like with A, B and C? You know what's funny, we never really pointed out that according to timelines that we interviewed Jen, I believe, allegedly, after her and Devin broke up. July 31st. Oh, that gives us more context as to why she said this. I don't know if you listened to that,

but she said, we were like, what does a life look like with Jeremy with Devin? Her file for Marcus and with Jonathan and she said the only person With kids was you was like a what's a life? I'm gonna go she goes well, there's kids Look I'm gonna spend the rest of my life taking care of it I'm gonna spend the rest of my life taking care of him. She's like, oh no, we won't have kids. He is the kid.

Exactly. So you had a fun weekend. You were in Miami with Jen or where were you with Jen? I think they were here. No, there were funny comments though. Isn't Jen in Miami? She was in Boston. She was in Boston.

Well, she did both. So she went Boston. Not that I'm- I was like, wait. Yeah, it was. I'm aware, I'm aware. I only know because we're trying to get Jen back on the show, so through my bookers,

I've been made aware of Jen's location, but why do you know Jen's location? I'm friends with the bookers, that's what it is. Yay. We keep in touch. So where did y'all film these TikToks or videos? My buddy was doing a photo shoot in the hills. We rented out a house and she just happened to be in Burbank.

For sure. Yeah, for sure. Let's get together before she left for Boston. And then, yeah, we should make some videos. So we grabbed dinner, made some videos. We grabbed dinner. Oh, okay. How was dinner?

You know, this is what the world... Sushi. We literally walked out of sushi and a car drove by, they're like, Jen we love, John, I was like, oh shit. Can we just settle this right here now? Is there a chance you might sincerely give the people what they want or is this another like Tyler Cameron,

Hannah Brown situation where you're just leaning in and you're getting us excited, but at the end of the day, you guys are just friends. Don't toy with my emotions. That's a crazy question to answer. What would you want? I don't know. You know, I don't know how to answer that.

It's a hard position to be in. Honestly, Jonathan. I'll tell you this. It's a hard position to be in when I think, and this is, I'm not just trauma hard position to be in when I think and this isn't I'm not just trauma dumping right now but like I think people have been in love with the idea of me before and then not actually myself so to get eliminated third but everybody else can see it except for the person that you wanted to

it's hard to go back on that and be like you know what I still you know. That's relatable. I think Tyler experienced something similar. Everyone loved Tyler. Hannah. Everyone loves Tyler. Hannah didn't pick Tyler runner up. And then all of a sudden, everyone loved Tyler. And it seemed like, well, why do you love me now? Yeah. Yeah. And it's not to say that it could not ever happen. I'm not saying that.

Answer me this. Yes. Has there has there been a sincere conversation between you and Jen about the possibility of exploring something outside of the show more than friends. The conversation has not been had yet. It has not been. No. I mean, she's going to be in LA for the next few months. This is where I live. So, but has there been flirting text? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what you define as flirty. You're an adult. How would you? I don't know. I want to know how you define. I'm an eight year old at heart.

I can't tell when somebody's flirting with me or just trying to give me a high five. I don't know. He's so goddamn charming. He really is. All right. Let's let's rewind. Let's go. OK. Yeah. How'd you know? I remember that. Let's do all the bases.

You're like, I'm tired of beating around the bush with this guy, he's not gonna tell us anything. No, that's fine, we'll get back into it. I'll get you. He'll slip up at some point. What wore me up? What wore me up first? Yeah.

How'd you end up on the show? Somebody hit me up on Instagram. Okay, that seems to be a new thing. That is a new thing. Everyone we've talked to is like, yeah, someone DM'd me, was like, do you wanna be on the show? It makes sense, like, you know,

casting directors would just kind of go online. But I'm curious how they find. I have no idea. I made videos, so I make videos for a living for companies and I was just making fun ones about fitness for myself. And I guess you could see my personality through those. So if they were looking through, maybe they saw those and they're like, oh, he seems like a fun,

funny, outgoing kind of guy. So the guy hit me up and he's like, hey, do you wanna talk about a show? And at first I was so hesitant. I was just like, not really, because they can't tell you what it is. So you go through these multiple calls and you're like, I don't even know

what I'm getting excited for. Interesting, was there anything that you thought it could be? Were you like, oh my God, this is definitely Survivor? Or were you like, you had no idea? I'd been approached for Big Brother before and too hot to handle before. Wow, that must have been such a compliment. Too hot to handle?

Yeah, but I feel like that's just like not my vibe. I don't think it's your vibe either. Oh, he's a respectful king. He's a respectful king. You're definitely a bachelor kind of guy. We love you. How are you not the bachelor? I mean, you got a lot.

Maybe they'll do an Ari. They'll bring him. And again, I don't want to say that I didn't know kind of guy. We love you. How are you not the bachelor? I mean, you got it, you got a little one. Maybe they'll do an Ari. They'll bring him. And again, I don't wanna say that, no disrespect to Grant. And again, I think Grant is great. I just don't think the show set up Grant in the way we normally set up our leads.

And I hope they fix that, but everyone's really into you. I appreciate it. I'm into you. Thank you. Oh my God, should we leave? He's hot, I mean he's charming, everyone likes him. He gives hugs? Yeah, he gives hugs. Good hugs too.

I love hugs. You're a great hugger. It's the full wrap around with the squeezes. With the squeeze it makes people feel at home. I don't wanna be accused of anything for a hug. So I just air hug. He dabs everybody up, doesn't matter who it is. Everyone. President. Especially women. If I don't really have any rapport with you, like even if they

go in for a hug, I'm not squeezing. Wow. Well, Jonathan did. I really appreciate it. I mean, it was very. I was going to give him a handshake. He was like, no, I'm leaning over. And I was like, oh my God, yes. Yeah. Okay. I would have came, when I go, I'll come around. Oh my God, no, yes, I'll hug you. Yeah.

Yeah. When Jen sent you home, did you see it coming? Yeah, at that point. At that point I knew. Which was crazy. I think every other rose ceremony leading up to that point, in the back of my mind, I was just like, it'd be kind of weird if I got sent home right now. Like we just have such a good vibe. We just had an amazing

conversation right before this rose ceremony. Like she sent me home, I'd be thoroughly shocked. And when we got to that point, you know, you disconnected from all the guys at that point, but I could kind of just, I don't know, there was just something weird in the energy in the air in that point. And I was just like, yeah, this is me and I'm going up against somebody who got two one-on-ones and a guy who's getting like every first rows possible You know, I mean if you watch it back Devon gets called first like every damn time. Well, you know that But I guess I mean you really matter we have very small amount of cues No, no, I know I so you read into it. You're going a very small amount of cues. No, no, I, no, I. So you read into every little thing you possibly can. I get it. Yeah. In reality though, that, that matters less than the two 101s maybe. Yeah. Yeah, probably.

Fun fact. The, the person who won my season, I deliberately on purpose did not give her a group date Rose ever for fun. Because I don't want to give you the satisfaction. I didn't want to put a target on her back. I was trying to protect her, but also it was me, like a fun way of like, from an audience standpoint of like the group date roses don't matter, like all that matters is you that you get one. Yeah. Like, you know. I never got a group date.

Or like getting a rose first doesn't matter. You know, that's just all silly stuff. In the moment, what was going on in your head when Jen's like, I'm gonna do a cartwheel. She's been doing them all season. So like, I'm just like, God, just don't fall or let anything slip out in the dress and we'll be good to go. So like, once, just don't fall or let anything slip out in the dress and we'll be

good to go. So once she landed it clean, it was like, all right, time to step up. Like we're on a hill. Did Jen give you a good reason? Well, what was Jen's reasoning of why she didn't pick you or sent you home? I genuinely think it was just the connection wasn't there. When you watch it back, in the moment, it's harder to take than once you actually see it. And there was love involved on both ends of those other relationships. Like she was in love with Marcus, Devon was in love with her, and her and I were just

in this really good zone. Like we started out as friends, things were going on like a good escalation, but nobody just jumped all the way in. And I think in that environment, I mean, you know, it's a vacuum, like you're in this vacuum of love and all you can do is think about yourself internally and that person, you know, all the guys around is just noise. So when you get into that moment, like if somebody's not wholeheartedly just like in, you know,

and these other two people are, there is love, it's like, okay, I'm not gonna get my heart broken in this scenario. And I think that's probably where her head landed with it all. You know, it's like fun only lasts so long, theoretically. So I think she just went with what was safer and what felt best in the moment. You get done filming show wraps. I'm you know, as we all know, you get to know the guys, people are talking, you know, you guys are the inside T.

At what point did you guys hear there was trouble in paradise with Jen and Devin? I did not know until probably night before. Really? Night before AFR? Yeah. Really? Yeah.

I feel like Jeremy definitely knew. That is my top favorite moment of the whole season. He was really catching me. Jeremy definitely knew. That is my top favorite moment of the whole. He was really care. My two favorite moments when he goes, that's really insightful. And he goes. And like, gives that face. That was like number one. But then that moment where he gets like, you know, he's literally like, what the fuck?

What the fuck? Me? She's like, and that's when you are clubbing with Jeremy. That's why I made the video, too. I was like, what Jeremy and I were talking about. He's like, I'm trying when you are clubbing with Jeremy. That's why I made the video to I was like what Jeremy and I were talking about. He's like, I'm trying to sit here mute as fuck. Like I was like, that's exactly where he needs to be. He was really catching the biggest stray of all time. Yeah.

And I was sitting there trying to be good too. Jeremy, you want to come to the finale? We just we just want you to support Jen. There's no for no real particular reason. I was trying to play like super into it too and be like good in that moment. So I was just like, how could like you son of a bitch. And you guys do John shut the fuck up.

Were you, I mean, I think everyone was surprised, but were you, you know these people a little bit, were you surprised by the event that unfolded at the finale? Honestly, yeah, because I didn't know, Devin did a fantastic job of not letting us know a thing. Okay. A thing, so when it came down to it,

all I know is that this dude was madly in love with her on the show, and then won't tell us how it ended, like what happened, none of it. In my mind, they're still together. And then that happens, I'm like, oh shit. Like the way everybody else reacted, I was just sitting there in the audience, I was like, no way. And what about just the Devin that you got to know?

I mean, I really enjoyed watching him. You know, I appreciate how he kind of stood up for Sam and I believe it was when Sam M and his little sidekick. I appreciate how he kind of stood up for Sam N, I believe it was, when Sam M and his little sidekick. Who, if anyone, was misrepresented from your season, in your opinion? What about underrepresented? I don't know about misrepresented.

I mean, yeah, or was it accurate? Well, I think it's a- Because Sam M and Aaron, boy, they loved AFR because that felt like that. They were very validated. They felt validated. I'm like, no, you still can suck even if Devin does. Yeah, the problem is, is it's,

if you're a little of something, this is like a magnifying glass. So if you're a nice guy, you look like a really nice guy. If you're kind of a dick, you look like a fucking asshole. Like so in those moments, you know, and I don't think Sam's a bad guy. I think he's just a bad guy. Speak the way that he probably thinks he does. And same with Aaron.

I don't think his intentions come across the way that he thinks they do. You know, yeah, right. But I mean, I don't think anybody that was on is a bad guy. I don't think they would cast people that are genuinely bad people, but. No purpose. Not, yeah.

Right? I, you know, I think Jeremy underrepresented a little bit. He's funny as hell. And you got small glimpses of it, but you spend a day with that dude and he's just like the driest, most sarcastic dude. And you're like, he's an asshole. But then you're like, but he's not.

He's just fucking hilarious. Yeah, we've heard a lot of good things about Jeremy. I mean, like, I guess the Devon of it all seems, it just seems shocking in a lot of ways. He is implying that there's more to the story. We've asked him to come on. As of now, he has, you know, just decided that it's best to not speak on it, which I, you know, I get if he just wants to come on. As of now, he has, you know, just decided that it's best to not speak on

it, which I, you know, I get if he just wants to go away. But it, it seemed kind of unnecessarily cruel for him to go about it the way he did in terms of his treatment towards Jen and the all the I love yous and I'll never abandon you. He really went, went for it only to kind of just immediately quit on her. Do you, what is your, as someone who got to know Devin, you were with him almost the entire time until you guys get separated because of hometowns. What do you make of that whole situation? Like how do you break it down

and what do you think happened? Again, we know that you don't, this is just your opinion we're asking. Yeah, yeah. I think it's really hard from the outside to just judge based on hearing one side That's not to write off Jen's point of view And it's not to write off Devon's either but there's always more involved in a story that could have been the case

With that being said the way that he handled himself after the fact was in my opinion, not respectable. Like you're on this public platform and whatever led to that, that's their business. I don't know it. So I can't judge on that, but I can judge how it was handled after

because that has all come out. You know, you have this platform where this girl's putting her heart and herself on the line and you have an obligation now at this point that you committed to somebody to try and make them look as good as you possibly can after the fact. I don't care if there's other women in your life or whatever, keep that shit under wraps. Like I've seen people hold together like 30 years shitty marriages.

You can hold out for months until this girl's journey is over. Like just make her look as respected as possible and then do whatever you need to with your life, but don't go on there and do questionable actions. Don't go out to a club and hit people up and do these things and be caught out with other women in that setting. Just wait a little bit if that's what you choose to do

and make sure this girl feels as if you have her back a little bit. That would be bare fucking minimum. But, yes. What I find, and you kind of alluded to it, it's just like relationships in Bachelor Nation in general aren't set up for success. I mean, most relationships don't start

right after you just made out with a bunch of people's friends and things like that. It's obviously a very bizarre atmosphere. And it's very difficult to watch it back as a couple. So there's a lot of reasons why every relationship is very much challenged, which is why almost all the time, I mean, the person I ended up with, we had our challenges, but it was always like, let's just get through the show.

Let's just get through it airing, because until we try to make it work when all this bullshit is done, we haven't really tried. You know what I'm saying? We haven't really put our best foot forward. We made all these promises to each other. Yeah, we didn't know a ton about each other when we made these promises, but how can we say

we really tried if we're trying to make it work while dealing with all these other things? And so for Devon to make these promises to Jen, her family, and all these things, and he couldn't even get to the end of the season and give this relationship a real shot. Like I don't know how Devon with a straight face could say he actually tried in any way, shape or form based on how he went about it.

You would agree? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Great. Yeah. There's nothing to add to it that you hit on the money.

So what's next for you? Other than Jen. I don't know. I genuinely have no idea. I'm saying the paradise is coming up. Can I actually ask you a favor? What? If you and Jen aren't going to actually date, don't keep this up for that much longer.

Okay. Good for content. I know. Get the. But eventually, people will turn on you. Give it a week or two. Eventually, you know, Tyler and Hannah, we were like, come on, are you gonna do it or not? What if we don't know though? What if we can't make our minds up? Well, if you sincerely don't know, do you want to try? Do you want to explore it? Come on. At this point, you could say whether you are interested in exploring the possibility of something, kinda like I think I'm falling in love, that thing.

Open-minded is probably where I stand. Okay. For the reasons I explained earlier, like it's not something easy for me to move past, personally, just after just my dating history as a whole. So sitting in that and then, yeah, I don't know. I genuinely have no idea. What's the relationship that you are speaking of that, that has, has brought

this kind of, oh no, just as a whole, like just dating in general. Sure. But like, it seems like you've had a couple of moments where you got, you got hurt a little bit. Yeah. I mean, not specifically though, like not, those are just more like when you are in like the casual dating world and you're like meeting people and talking, you're hooking up or whatever it might be.

That point was just from casually talking to people or like thinking that like you were something more. And then it just ends up not being that way. It's not like a specific moment. There's no girl who, you've never had your heart broken? No, I've had my heart broken. What happened? But that's not the sole thing I'm speaking about. What is the thing you're speaking about?

I just wanna know where you're, well, I guess I'm asking you about Jen, and you are referencing a little bit of baggage. Like, you know, you get some past baggage, or reasons why you have a hard time opening up or taking a risk, which would be understandable. I get maybe why you're a little closed off and I'm just trying to explore where that came from.

I mean, I had a relationship that I spoke about on the show that just kind of fell apart when it was somebody that I thought I was gonna marry. And for things to kind of end the way that they did after thinking it was so great for so long and then for like a two month span of time to just kind of ruin it all. It was just like, damn, do you really know somebody

even if you live with them for two years? Like shit can happen. Has she reached out since the show? Yeah. Is she upset with you? How does she feel about you sharing your relationship on national television? Unfortunately, not great.

But you didn't say anything. No, and I've kept certain things very private for very specific reason, I can tell you guys later. No, I mean. Yeah, but you wanna respect this person's privacy. We respect that. 100%. The last thing I would want is for somebody who's trying to make their life better and get better.

Yeah. To feel any sort of. Exactly. Yeah. And to feel any sort of disrespected because they will go in and try to find this person. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't really care about this person.

It's just more about how this affected you and what you learned from it and what, you know, how it has played a role in your life today. Because it seems like it is, right? Yeah, I think it just held me back from being able to just jump head first for somebody. I don't think I've fallen for somebody since that. Or really let somebody have this effect on me

where I'm just like, God, I can't. I can't live without this person. So do you think that's part of the reason why you and Jen in the first place, why Jen maybe didn't pick you because say people like Devin or Marcus, well not Marcus, he wasn't really exactly opening up. But do you think had you let your guard down more with Jen,

there was a chance that you guys could have? Yeah, probably. Okay. Probably, but again, you gotta accept somebody for all of their things in those moments, too. Answer me this. Jen texts you calls. I don't know her preferred form of communication, which emails. Let's say she's like a sneaky call.

So just randomly, she calls you randomly, FaceTimes you two in the morning. Oh, two a.m. She's like, Jonathan, the haunting hours, FaceTime. Oh, 2 a.m. Holy shit. And she's like, Jonathan. The haunting hours. Low stakes, all I want is a date. She asks you on a date. Very pro-Jen, she already proposed to one guy. So we know that Jen, empowered woman that she is,

has no problem asking the guy. Well, she proposed. She asks you on a date. She's just like, I just want a date. She's like, Jonathan, I'm here, you know, of course for Dancing with the Stars. I'm in LA. You, oh my gosh, oh my God, surprise, you live here. And I like made a reservation at John and Vinny's,

you know, local great spot for 7 p.m. tomorrow night. Would you wanna come with me? What'd you say yesterday? She buying? No, I'm kidding, yeah. Yeah, no, I would go. Wait, I'm kidding. Yeah. Yeah. No, I would say, I would go. Oh, wait, I love Kevin. Oh my God.

Of course. Listen, I think the world, they feel let down, obviously. They were, we were holding, you know, Devin, he put on a great show. He definitely did. He made us all believe he was in love and that they were gonna last.

And I think a lot of us were, you know, rooting for some other people. And so then to see that relationship crumble the way that it did and for him to disrespect her the way that he did, to see someone who is so respectful, you know, we're rooting for it. See, that's also part of my holdup, though,

is if they ended up happily together, people still be like, God, I wish it was you. Probably. Yeah. Well, not you guys. Yeah, we were like, yes, we were. I didn't want to watch the finale. If I didn't work here, I would have been like, nope, this is BS. We were rooting for you guys. Yeah.

Like, but I listen, I get where you're at. When you were on the radio date, and you were listening to Sam M. do whatever the hell he was doing, what, like. I like to call it glitching. No, he truly was, he was computing out, yeah. What, like, was there a conversation when y'all got back to the house of just like,

dude, what the fuck was that? No, he didn't really talk to any of us. Oh No, he Just came in the man for the most part kind of yeah, right? He very much isolated himself from the group a lot of times and Not to his fault I think he just felt as if he wasn't a part of the group which I felt bad for like human to human I want people to know that like you have somebody on your side that has your back. And like, well, he had Thomas.

Stop. And, you know, like somebody who like keeps it real with you though, like you don't want to sit in this little bubble with somebody else where you guys are just gassing each other up on the wrong points. You need somebody to open your mind and really be able to like, help you think outside of this box that you might be in. You know, and I wanted for that to happen. But no, no conversation when we got back.

I wish. Were you close with Devin? We were. Yeah. Surprisingly, you know, I'm a very open minded person just in general. So week two, when we first get to Australia, you know, people are kind of being like, this guy's loud. He's kind of an ass. I was like, you know what, there's probably

something else there. So him and I would, we had a lot of guy chats and we were really good at talking. So it would just be like one and done takes. It's like you're sitting there like, oh let's talk about this, this is, we just would sit down have a conversation and it would just go great. And him and I got close and started to get to know each other pretty well. But yeah, there's no part of me would have guessed that the ending came the way that it did. Because I think he does have a good heart and I think he means well. But just made some mistakes along the way. I mean, I don't think he deserves any credit for it, but Jen's thriving now.

I mean, like Jen's living her best life. Oh, yeah. And if it weren't for the block. Do you see the videos in Boston? She's at the bar? I heard about it. With a chant too, you can see all that. Yeah. I mean, we've never loved Jen more. When she's on Dancing with the Stars now,

she's living her best life. Oh, fivin'. Yeah. So, where's that? And she's gonna go to John and Vinny's with Johnathan. That's crazy, he hasn't manifested that. No, we haven't manifested that. Wait, which one, the Brentwood one? I think actually the one over with some of them. That's crazy, he hasn't manifested that. No, he hasn't manifested that.

Wait, which one, the Brownwood one? I think actually the one over here in Studio City. It's a new one, I feel like it's gonna pop in. Okay, well fine. I mean, I guess. Judgmental. That's what you want. It's a nice area. Okay, rich. Are you kidding me?

Look at your hand, what do you mean rich? Yeah, hold that shit up for the camera. Yeah. What kind of ring would you have gotten? Something like that, hopefully. Yeah, sorry, Neil up for the camera. Yeah. What kind of ring would you have gotten? Something like that, hopefully. Sorry, Neil doesn't do that shit. Brilliant earth does that shit. Subtle flex.

Sorry, sorry. Has Devin reached out to you post everything at all? Is he reaching out for... Not really. What does not really? everything at all? Is he reaching out for? Not really. I think after, well, I'm getting there. Is he sending pigeons? Shut the fuck up, he's getting there. I love the sass.

No, I'm very sarcastic. I think the show missed out on that. They did. They don't like jokes or sarcasm. Jen made a lot of sex jokes for me. I'm like 90% sure I reacted to all of the ones that they were talking about on the internet, but I don't know if I got in there or not.

Maybe they just didn't show my face. I think I went. Yeah, I know. I mean, I know it's not Jen's fault because the Bachelor loves to cast. I mean, I'm 6'2", and I'm average height in that environment. So there's always like a 6'2". And I'm average height in the regular environment.

But she really didn't do you a service by calling you a medium king, because you're not. So it's something I coined a long time ago, even before the show, you can find a post that I made a long time ago before the show that I've said that. And it just kind of came over time

because I'm sitting here looking, everybody's fucking six, three, six, five, Spencer and Grant are like six, six, like kind of bullshit is that. And I'm standing there next to them at rose ceremonies. So I just made it a point to just kind of self deprecate and just be like, you know, I'm a medium King and I'm proud to be one.

Like, screw it. Yeah. All right, everyone shut the fuck up. Did he text you? Did he call you? What did Devon say to you? Thank you. Thanks for keeping us on task.

No, so I made a post about Jen Jen kind of making sure that like she was okay Obviously had reached out to her beforehand, you know, the inner is like people aren't reaching out to make sure and I'm like You guys don't know what goes on behind the scenes like literally morning the next morning after AFR I texted her to make sure she was okay, like you know, but then I was you know I want to make a post of people like know to go support her as well. And I'm a huge advocate on mental health and having all of America jump down your throat and say you're the worst person in America right now,

can't feel good. So human to human, I want to just reach out and be like, hey, dude, are you okay? Like, are you going to be all right? Like, I know this can't be a good feeling. Whether you can take it or not, I don't care who you are, everybody turning on you is like, not something you wanna see anybody like really go through,

deserved or not. So I reached out and just wanted to have a chat and just make sure he was doing okay. So does he reach out? No, but like, did I reach out to make sure he was okay? Did he respond to that? Yeah, it was a phone call. Oh, it was a phone call.

Oh, okay, sorry, I thought you texted him. Okay, well good. make sure he was okay? Yeah, did you respond to that? Yeah? It was a phone call. Oh, it was a phone call. Okay. Sorry. I think text him. Okay. Well good and he's doing okay So far so good Maybe I'm gonna go like that. They're like no we want him to burn Yeah, I mean the the things that are coming out that I mean the videos of him with like his arm around some girl That was like a week before that was tough. It's like that was like a week before. Yeah, so that was tough. It's like, ugh, it just gets worse and worse. It is a TV show.

Yep. I can't speak for, you know, it's a TV show that nowadays, a lot of criticism that comes to reality TV in general, but specifically Bachelor, and I think probably because like Bachelor's has been an OG show, it's been around for a while, is the insincerity of the people they cast because you know now with social media being what it is, it just reads as if a lot of people are just too self-aware about the opportunities that follow

this show. And I'm sure everyone comes in with different levels of sincerity, but I think the best defense I have for Devin if I was trying to defend him is that he didn't take it seriously, that he thought it was all. It almost felt like a game. A game. Yeah. And he was just trying to win the game and he just thought everyone was in on it.

And I don't know if that's the case, but that could be an argument, I think it would be a bad one, but that's the best I got, given everything we're seeing. Yeah, I wish I knew. I genuinely wish that he had said something about it and I could sit here and wholeheartedly be like, this is exactly what he was trying to do or he just wanted the win or whatever.

I honestly have no idea. And in the moment, unless he is the world's best liar, I thought he was 100% genuine. He seemed head over heels. He got upset when other things would happen. Like there was a moment in which like I kissed her and then he came in to seal her away and like her makeup was like smeared.

Cause we made out. I don't know if he just didn't put together that it was like me ahead of time, but like he came back and he's like, so upset cause like her makeup was like, dude, I love this girl. And like, this is like what's going on. So it's like little moments like that like it's really hard to like You wouldn't react that way if it was like a game. Yeah

That's true. You wouldn't really care that our lipsticks on her cheek. Yeah, you'd be like, oh, it's part of the game Like other guys have to kiss or like whatever but like come back in like crazy That's the thing is like even as his behavior wasn't even smart, let alone good. What, after the fact? Yeah, just foolish. Yeah, no, not smart at all. Wild stuff. So you live in LA?

Yes. What, and what, remind me of your job? Creative director. Four. Creative director. You looking for a job? Do you need help? Envy Media. Media company.

Well I do, so I do like social ads. So if you ever see like user generated content, Spear had a lot of that for different brands. And then we do like completely like social, Who's we? Like organic social content as well. My best friend and roommate, he started a creative agency. So I do all of his short form video for different clients.

And then I do my own clients like one off for different ads as well. That's why when I go on social media and I make these videos like you're good at it. Yeah. I think that you were bringing that up earlier, too, is like some people think like the opportunities. And I was so glad that that was my job. So people are like, oh, he's doing it because he's good at it. He knows how to do it.

Not like he's trying to be. You could have still gotten criticism being like, oh, of course he's doing this. He's already to be. You could have still gotten criticism being like, oh, of course he's doing this. He's already into social media. I mean, it would have been dumb of me not to take advantage of the limelight and make videos to show people more about myself. What is so funny? Sierra.

She just said, oh, he's so good at it. And I looked at her and she goes, I need to calm down. Relax. I'm going to keep thoroughly advanced. She's taken. I got your back, Connor. I'm the only one not taking in this room. What are you looking for? With or without Jen? What? I actually know you, I know you agreed to go on paradise, but I got only with May there. When are they? We don't even know.

Yeah, that's crazy. I was like, they're like literally asking Jonathan to not date a single person because like, what if summer 2025? It's crazy. Anyways, so yeah, you know, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I was like, they're like literally asking Jonathan to not date a single person because like what if? So summer 2025. It's crazy. Anyways, so yeah, you're-

Wait, next summer? Yeah. Well, I don't know when it films. I have no idea. Nobody's told me anything yet. Anyways, so, but like to be clear, are you open to finding love before paradise happens? Like you'll go to paradise if you are single and available,

but you're not taking yourself off the market. I mean, I wanna say that I am off the market, but like, you never know. Like I said, I'm open-minded to like, if I meet somebody and it's the right person, I fall for them. They could be from Bachelor of the Nation, they could be from, I don't know, anywhere.

If I meet somebody and it feels right, I'm not gonna just be like, no. But if there's a possibility that it isn't and this opportunity comes around, I'm not gonna just be like, no. But if there's a possibility that it isn't and this opportunity comes around, I'm not gonna. So you're not actively looking, you're not there talking to your friends like, oh, I'm so tired of being single, but you're open. You're open.

But so what type of person are we open to meeting? Like what is? What's her dream girl? Yeah, what is? As of late, and I actually had this dream girl last night. How does your dream girl make you feel? Aw, wait.

Whoa, too much at once. I'll answer them all, I'll get there. Okay, okay, okay. Epiphany was last night though, only because I knew you guys were gonna come down my throat on this one and be like, so what are you looking for? We were gonna come down your throat? Okay.

Jesus, John. Yikes. I'm like, pervert. Yeah, no, no, he is, he is, he is. That's actually one of my favorite things about people, they're pervert. It's just so off-putting, you're like,, no, no, he is. That's actually one of my favorite things about people. It's just so off putting it like what? It is.

For me, as of late, confidence. And I don't just mean like, oh, like they know who they are. Obviously, I want somebody who knows who they are and is confident in who they are, but confident enough in themselves and in us that like there's nothing that holds them back or makes them feel insecure about what we have. I am busy and I have a lot of things going on but like I will never fade away from that person. Like if I love somebody that's it's end game for me and it's that's what it is and that's who I'm with and I just don't see other people that late. So somebody that's confident enough like if I'm busy all day or if I'm out in an event, or I'm doing something, or I'm traveling, they don't need like this constant reassurance that like, is he like.

Yeah, I don't need to text 24-7. No, they're like, it's Jonathan. Like I know, that's my man. I'm his woman, and it's good. You love an independent queen. Independent, confident queen. Like somebody that I want to worry about, but I don't have to worry about.

You want to add to their life. Exactly. Not make their life. 100%. Yeah. So, and don't have to worry about that. You want to add to their life, not make their life. Exactly, 100%. And then also knowing who they are. Somebody who knows exactly who they are so I can be their biggest fan every day. I want to cheer somebody on.

I want them to just live their life and have somebody to support them. We love a cheerleader. We do love a cheerleader. Is there a looks thing? You know a lot of women are tall, dark, and handsome. Are you, do you have a preferred? Nick's obviously brunettes.

Yeah. Hello. And you can't say you don't because I have never met a guy who doesn't care. Well, mine isn't specifically like brunette, blonde, whatever it might be. Mine isn't either. I mean, fitness is a huge part of my life.

So somebody who's like, I don't need like, I don't need a gym girl that's sitting there lifting 300 pounds every day. But somebody who's just taking care of themselves, eating healthy and living a very good lifestyle. I want somebody who... You motivate each other. Yeah.

Yeah, you. What's a... Good style too. Would love a girl that has some good style. We love good style. Love good style. I don't think I've dated somebody that's had really good style yet,

I think it'd be really sexy. What's a bad habit, pet peeve of yours, that your next girlfriend and future love of your life will have to learn to love and accept about you? Oh, my OCD from my room. My pants are all rolled, my underwear is rolled, socks are stuffed together. Everything's folded the right way.

Like if somebody came into my room and messed with something, I would know immediately that somebody was in my room. That's how I am. I know when like one thing is like, right? I'll get in the shower and I'm like, Nick, you used like my shampoo. Like it's slightly to the left. Three degrees to the left is And I know I didn't mean it that way.

To which I reply, I used our shampoo. Yeah, it makes like more of a hair, everything's ours. I'm like, God. Yeah, very, very clean. So if they can deal with that and making sure that they don't just leave shit everywhere. When you do your socks, you're not doing the typical,

just like throw it together. You're like. I'm not rolling together. Okay, just to, No mismatched socks. You're like. I'm not rolling together. Okay, just a tip. No mismatched socks. You would never wear mismatched socks. No, I would never wear like Adidas socks with Nike shoes either.

It's just. Oh wow. I know. Oh wow. It's just like, I don't know. That may sound like very like condescending. I just, I don't know. It's like a weird just like OCD thing.

No, no, no, that's interesting that you're, yeah. Okay, and you make your bed every morning? Every morning. Oh. Fuck. Nick. Oh. Sorry. Nick. I love your sides all like perfect and then his is like half on your side.

No, his like the sheets always off on his side. I'm like, what were you doing last night? Like the fitted sheet is always off the mattress. The thing you have, it would break my brain to do. Whatever you got, I didn't get. God gave you too much of it and me none of it. You should see my car too. It's just like, it looks like a little, literally.

There's nothing in it, it's clean. I got Popsicle sticks and wrappers in my car. Why? Because I'm disgusted. He's like obsessed. Because I'm disgusted. No, he has this like obsession with these popsicles from Whole Foods.

They're like the lime popsicles. Lime fruit juice. It's like the craziest thing. Every time we go somewhere, he's like, I need a popsicle, takes a popsicle with him. He has like 12 at night. So you married a big child too, that's cool. I did, no, I did.

We would be best friends. No, he, well, you take care of yourself. That doesn't mean I don would be best friends. No, he, he, well you take care of yourself. That doesn't mean I don't eat popsicles. Okay, okay, okay, well I'm just saying, Nick? No, I had a bowl of Frosted Mini Wheats yesterday afternoon. Okay. You know, NFL kickoff weekend. Right after we had just had a burger.

I lied down. That's a wild move. Wild, that's what I thought. That's so crazy. And it was like, and it was immediate. Are you a whole milk guy too? Yeah. You went burger, whole milk, frosted mini-wheats. This is crazy.

This is gonna sound weird, but can I touch you? I'm gonna show you what Nali did. Lie down. Like it's slouch. I get down with my... I can touch you. I lie down on the couch. Now he goes like this. Cause it was crazy. Like we go from burger to bun. I didn't know where that was going to go.

I thought he was going to rub some pie. I did not expect a little pepper on the stomach. And then sometimes, and I actually love Natalie for this cause sometimes I think a little shame can go a long way. She'll bust out an old man. She'll be like, oh, I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the stomach. And then sometimes, and I actually love Natalie for this, because sometimes I think a little shame can go a long way. She'll bust out an old picture, usually from my paradise days, and she goes, are you ever gonna look like this again? Sorry. What if he did that to you? It's not the same. It's not the same. It's not the same. I'm like, how would I handle that? It's a move.

It's not the same. It's not. It's because it's like- It's absolutely not the same. It's crazy. Like we, he'll have a burger and chips. Like, and he, it's the whole bag of chips. Like we're not just having a couple.

It's the entire bag of chips and a burger. And then immediately to the pantry and takes out the box of cereal. And I'm like, that is a crazy move. Yeah. And at night, he'll have... Come on, it's not that bad. You're flexing. Still, at least he can flex it.

It looks like that though. That's true. And it's not that bad. It's not that bad. It's not that bad, but it'll catch up to you, honey. Yeah. The problem is, is like, I never looked my best with Natalie. That's not true, honey. That's true. You're your best mentally. Absolutely. That's not true, honey. That's true, that's true.

You're your best mentally. So literally what I was about to ask next. And emotionally. Anyways, where do I find this? I don't know. Where do I find this? On Instagram, I slid into his DMs. Are you serious?

Check your DMs, yeah. Check your DMs. There's honestly so, like not even in a, it's overwhelming to look at. There might be a bad picture doing that. Are you getting nudes? I bet he's getting everything. Damn.

Are they any, are any good? Probably, I just don't look. I don't look anymore. I just. You just don't check your DMs anymore. No, and it sucks because people that reach out with really good things and they're like, you've helped me through this or that.

And they're like, I wish I could get back to everybody and I just can't. And it literally bugs me. You can't, because you go to respond to the like, you've changed me and just can't and it literally bugs me. You can't. Because you go to respond to the like you've changed me and you accidentally click and it's like a pair of titties and you're like, oh my God, I did not mean to do that. Ew.

I took the wrong turn. It's crazy because it's always nurses too. Really? Bastionation loves a nurse. Yeah. Well, Natalie was in the bathroom. But the nurses are sitting in the titties. Pop off queens. Oh, can I just say truly the nurses are sitting in the titties. Pop off, queens.

Oh, can I just say truly the nurses do not get enough love and respect or appreciation. They are in the fucking weeds of ass wiping. In the trenches. In the fucking trenches. My best friend, Chambliss, is a nurse, and the other day I was like, how's your shift going? She works night shift at the hospital,

and I was like, how's your shift going? She works night shift at the hospital and I was like, how's your shift going? And she was like, it's fine dealing with someone who has maggots between their toes. And I was like, I would quit. Yep, I would quit. Nurses do not get enough love. That's a wild one. See, I could wipe an ass or two and I'd be all right.

I could wipe an ass or two. Like I wipe my daughter's ass. You know, like I could, you know, I could wipe an ass or two and I'd be all right. I could wipe an ass or two. I wipe my daughter's ass. I could do that. The maggots. But maggots between the toes? Bless your heart. That's crazy. But yeah, they don't get enough love.

Maybe we should just start a group chat with all of them. We should. We should start a group chat with them and be like, send your titty pics here, not in the DMs. Yeah. Just a group chat with them and be like, send your tiddy pics here, not in the DMs. Yeah. Just a private chat. Just all the nurses and us. And speech out of the nicks here, Justin.

A bunch of nurses and his tiddy pics. Like, that's crazy. You're like, guys, I won't send them my DMs too much. Send them here. This is either going to make them love me or hate me now. I don't know. They're going to be like, we're not send them my DMs, too much. Send them here. This is either gonna make them love me or hate me now. I don't know, they're gonna be like, we're not sending them anything anymore. I still can't believe you didn't even get a phone call.

That is crazy. Cause usually they'll have a couple backup plans. I wasn't even a backup. That's crazy, crazy. I don't know. Would you have said yes? Yeah, 100%. Especially after the process.

I grew from it internally and I started to believe in it more. And I was like, I'm a firm believer. After three dates with somebody, I could tell if you're gonna potentially be my wife. No. No, but there's an energy and a banter that you can see, you can vet.

You can see the potential for sure. 100%, 100%. To know immediately, no. You definitely know if you don't wanna marry him. Yep, 100 see the potential for sure. 100%, 100%. Like to know like immediately no. You definitely know if you don't want to marry him. Yep, 100%. That's for sure. 100%.

Yeah. And now I'm pickier than ever, so I think it would have been like. How old are you? 28, I just turned 28. Okay, happy birthday. Thank you. What are you, Virgo?

Leo. Leo. Everybody's first gasp before they even meet me. They're like, you give me Leo vibes. I'm like, I don't know if that's a good thing. Really? I didn't know anything that's a good thing. Really? I know nothing about any of that. What's your go-to rom-com movie?

My personal favorite, just because of the humor and the story, is Sleeping with Other People. Interesting. It's a great one. I've never heard of that. It's a good series, I've heard it's good. It's a good one. It's a movie? It's a movie or a show?

Jason Sudeikis and... Oh, yeah, that is a good, I've seen that, it's good. What's your name? Alison Brie. Alison Brie, that's your favorite though. The humor between the two of them is so funny. You wanna date your best friend. You wanna fall in love with your best friend?

Yep. Have you seen it, Nick? It literally just, it's the most fitting one for myself. It's actually, people are gonna eat that up because that movie is about two friends who just keep dating other people and they find love. The thing is too, they're both sex addicts and they were each other's first time in college.

And then they, separate ways, she can't get over this guy and he is just, he just keeps sleeping with everybody. And then they become best friends, refuse to sleep with each other. And then over time they're like, okay, we gotta do something. We're obsessed with each other. So you and Jen.

And it's. Wow. Minus the addiction. Yeah. So you're not a sex addict. No. No. Sex on the first date, yes or no?

Cause a lot of women are scared because they're like, oh my God, this is gonna turn him off. He's gonna think that I do this with everyone. Like I don't wanna do this. It's not a turn off. It's just that. I've never been asked that, I don't know. Situational.

Situational. Okay, so if you went on a first date with someone and then just slept together. And to be clear, you're not shaming anyone, but it's just more what you would do. We're not here to criticize anyone else. That's what I'm saying, if the vibe was just immaculate. Imagine we spent a whole day together.

It wasn't just a normal first date. We went to an all day concert or something together. Like it wasn't just like a normal first date. We went to like an all day like concert or something together. We started off for breakfast and then we went and did this like fair that took all day. And then we ended up going home where we were just tired. But then we're also like, are you done? And then we were just like, then like, yeah, why, you know?

It's different. How are you doing? I love Santa. I'm like from the East coast. I just. Like is that a fit at all? No, not at all. What's on your sex playlist? I love Santa, I'm from the East Coast. I just. Like is that a fit at all? No, not at all. What's on your sex playlist?

Ew, do you even have one? Do people still have sex playlists? No, you know what's the weirdest thing is I just put on, so I put like background noise on before I go to sleep every night. I do, it'll be like New York City apartment with thunderstorm and rain. We're gonna hear a couple of horns, a couple of ambulances.

Shut the fuck up. Yeah, we're on our way to a date. Ambulance goes by and like. That is crazy. It's because I think about the nurses, that's the nurses. Do you take baths? Baths. Yeah. I haven't taken a bath in years. No, I'm not opposed to it. I just.

Nicks against baths too. Ice bath, cold plunge, yeah. There's nothing sexy about a cold plunge. There is nothing sexy about a cold plunge. What else would we like to know about Jonathan before we send him on his way? Ask me anything hard. If it's about me, ask what you want.

I'm an open book. You're not an open book when we asked you. I said if it's about me. But it's about you and Jen. We did ask about you want, I'm an open book. You're not an open book when we asked you. I said if it's about me. But it's about you and Jen. Okay, that's and Jen. What would you like? What do you wanna date Jen?

We'll talk to Jen later. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. He's tired of that answer too. He's like, dude, just tell us. You're like, I don't recall. I'm gonna start tagging you in our videos too,

just to really fuck with you. Oh, they're doing more videos. Yes. Well, she will be here filming Jason and the Stars and you. Will you be front row episode one? Oh, damn right. Jen's.

Hell yeah. I will for sure go to one if she'll have me. If she'll have you. And everybody wants me to rate her dresses from the season too, so I'll probably end up. Oh wait, yeah, didn't you? I don't think you should do that. Or you like this one.

I don't think you should do that. Unless you just call them all a 10. No, no, no, remember at it. Remember at. It's part of my thing, dude. Remember at mental all, she like comes out in the, it was like a green dress or something, and you're like, I know I had.

Oh yeah, that's number one now. That one is crazy. Yeah, you're like this one moved. That one was crazy. That's great, but you can't give her a bad review. No, no, it's not a bad review. No, no, no, I'm not ranking them 10 out of 10. Are they top three of my personal favorites?

So I had a top three list all season of my favorite dresses that she came to like rose ceremonies in, and the one that she awarded meant a lot. You're wrong. Was my favorite. And then that moved the list down and then there was a white one and a purple one. Can you rate my outfits and tell me your top three favorites

of my outfits I've ever worn? Yeah. Right now. I like this one. Okay. Oh my God. Perfect. Okay.

I have a question. Did you watch a bachelor, a bachelorette before being on it? I only watched Joey season to get to know the girls. So watch Bachelor, Bachelorette before being on it? I only watched Joey's season to get to know the girls. So whoever became the Bachelorette. Was there anybody, if we're taking Jen out of the equation, was there anybody on Joey's season that if you make it to Paradise that you would wanna see?

That is true. Or is there anybody from Bachelor that maybe you didn't watch the season, but like would be like, that'd be cool if they ended up on the beach in paradise It's crazy because I've only met a handful at this point. Who have you met? So after the final rose. Mm-hmm hung out with Jess Kylie and Rachel all amazing girls Kylie back with a

Didn't she get back together with Avin did they not get back together? I have no idea. I usually avoid exes on first conversations, but. Especially when you're trying to slide in there. So you, whoa, that was crazy. Whoa, shot in the dark, shot in the dark. They split up. Nick, your flashlight's on. Are you recording us? What's going on here?

It wouldn't matter. No, all three of them are incredible. From Joey season, again, there's only so much I can- You're not allowed to say Maria or Daisy because you will get absolutely crucified. I wasn't even going. Daisy's a friend, Daisy lives like five minutes away from me. Love Daisy.

Daisy and I are actually really tight. She's awesome. She is great. Yeah, but the number of like, I thought it was gonna be Maria or Daisy, it's fuck guys, Jesus, shut the fuck up. Never would come out of my mouth. But anyone from, I feel like he had,

I like honestly cannot remember anyone from this season. I thought Lexi was beautiful. Oh yeah, Lexi. Lexi. Lexi. Autumn had really cool energy. She seemed really sweet. The one that she cut the sausage in her mouth. That was funny. I was like, you seem like a cool energy. She seemed really sweet. The one that she cut the sausage in her mouth. That was funny.

I was like, you seem like a cool vibe. Interesting. I wonder who they'll bring for Paradise. That'll be, because they have a few seasons to pull from. I heard they won't be filming in Mexico anymore. Which I'm really sad about. That was a great location, but I heard they're no longer going there.

Rachel's on Ashley's podcast. Is it Iaconte? Is that what you say that's her name? Iaconetti? Iaconetti. Iaconetti. Almost famous? Yeah, she was saying that she's gonna come going there. Rachel was on Ashley's podcast. Is it I can't see it. I can Eddie. I can Eddie. Almost famous. Yeah, she was saying that she's going to come steal me away from paradise. At the end, I was like. Her and I had really good banter, too.

She was really awesome. She's really funny. Yeah, she is really, really funny. She's a good time. She lives in L.A. And she lives in L.A. OK, Rachel, little Rachel and Jonathan. Both 28. And in a tree. She's a little older, though. and Jonathan sitting in a tree. She's a little older though. Like by a month or two?

By a month or two, something like that. They also, they asked me to, I think other like news presses, they were like, what if some of the golden girls showed up on Paradise? I was like, don't you bring Jen or Joan to the beach right now? Don't you bring Joan to the beach? It's over. I love Joan by the way.

We love her. She's the sweetest. Love, love Joan. I got her number. That was a bad call on her part to give me her number because throughout her season I am gonna. You have Joan's number. Yeah.

Wow. Do you know any, did she give you any tea? I don't like the face of you. Did she give you any tea about her season? No, we didn't even ask. We just talked about how much we loved each other. People are saying they saw a big rock on her finger. So did you see that as well or no?

I wasn't even paying attention. You're not a very good like insider. I just thought like- He was too busy getting the digits. Did you not watch the season? I just don't give a shit about the tea. I don't care. Like, it's just all noise.

It is all noise. You're right. I'm worried about myself and who's across from me. And that's how everyone should be. No. This podcast is all a bit. It's all a comedy show. None of it's real.

All right. Insert, let's go. I was like, is that good or bad? There we go. No, it's good. People take things we say a little too serious or maybe it's like, you know, and it's just like, guys, this is just a bit.

We're just having fun. We're just having fun. It's literally like you and Jen's bit. We're just having fun. We're just having fun. It's literally like you and Jen's videos. You're just having fun. Yeah, I'm surprised you guys didn't press me harder about what I'm looking for. What are you looking for? What are you looking for?

Wow. You ask, you shall receive. No, I mean, you, I already told you the confidence style. Boring, boring, boring. Something deeper. Or something more deeper. Yeah, give us something a little messy. How about like a genuine like sweetness?

Like somebody who just. Well, duh, you don't want someone who's mean. Okay, give us something a little messy. How about like a genuine sweetness? Somebody who just. Well, duh, you don't want someone who's mean. Okay, so what are you looking for then? I wanna know. What's a kink you have? Ooh, what's a kink? You like sucking toes, don't you? Absolutely not.

Okay. I have nothing against feet. You could rub your feet on my face. I don't care, but. You wouldn't put them in your mouth. No, why not? I told you, I'm an open-minded guy. It's not like I'm sitting there like yes I need it but like. Okay well what's like your go-to move in the bedroom? He's like I was

hoping. He's like eye contact. He's so respectful and romantic. We can't get. No you can't be fully disrespectful all the time. That's true that's not yeah sometimes you need a little nasty nasty. That's true. That's not. Yeah. Sometimes you need a little nasty, nasty. Shit, I don't know. He doesn't want to say it's OK. It's a tough question. Just say it and we'll bleep it. It'd be fun. Just, you know, like what's it going to be? You can just be like, I have no idea.

I almost want to say something so you can do it. Exactly. So that is. Yeah, yeah. That's the point. That's the point. That's the whole point. You're not spitting in anyone's mouth. Oh, yeah, that's the point. That's the whole point. You're not spitting in anyone's mouth? Oh, yeah, I will. What? Are you kidding me?

He's like, that's kink walk. Shit, I thought you said kink. Yeah, kink walk. Energy's up, who cares? All rules off. What wouldn't they do? What wouldn't you do? Don't shit on me. Oh, yeah, that would be crazy. Okay, all rules off. What wouldn't you do? What wouldn't you do?

Don't shit on me. Oh yeah, that would be crazy. But. That's a poor boundary. Yeah. That would be crazy. So we're peeing. Sure, why not?

Oh my God. Like Odo Beckham Jr. Yeah. Like him, okay. Wow, interesting, I did not know he did that. Well that's more of like something he like asks for. I think. Oh, he wants to be peed on. I don't know if I'm asking for it.

Interesting. But you're a willing participant. But you're not, you're involved. I'm open-minded. You're open-minded. He's open-minded. Listen, the only thing he's turning down is shit. Yeah, and don't touch my ass either, that's. All right, and. Stop.

She's like, oh, there he goes. I mean, listen, that's that's that some women are into pegging or stuff. You're not you're not in that. OK, good. I'm glad we cleared that up. Some people have been wondering. How is that where you stand? Is that is that your boundary? That's definitely. Yeah. I'm not into ass play.

That's so. Yeah, I try. I try to not. Everyone will test the waters though. They all test the waters. Yeah, I try to test the waters. Yeah, they wanna see. Like going up the stairs. Can we?

And he's like, get the fuck off me. Yeah, yeah. I try. Never slapped a hand so fast. Anything else you wanna get off your chest before I let you go? You've been very generous. We appreciate you.

I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous.

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I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. I'm always very generous. They show your personality a lot more. That was okay. That's one thing that I would get off my chest is while on the show I I mean I think I'm a nice guy in general. I think a missed thing is I do mess around a lot. Yeah. In life and just have fun and take life like not too seriously. So I try to do like an amazing job showing that on social media that I'm just like not too serious with life but like still very loving and like kind and open. So I hope people see that.

I think they definitely will. Yeah. Yeah. And I hope Rachel's into some stuff that y'all could do together maybe. He's open. I also mentioned five other women. Yeah, why Rachel?

Why you left it on Rachel? He just said they had good banter. So I was like, okay, that's fine. And she lives in LA. We did. Great time talking to her. She's awesome. Yeah, banter is important.

We wish you the best, man. Thanks for taking the time. It was very fun to get to know you. Thank you. I'm dumbfounded why we have to wait to 2025 to see you on TV again. But we'll see him sidelines the Dancing with the Stars. Maybe they'll invite me up and I'll shake my ass for everybody. Can you dance?

I'm not bad. I'm pretty pretty good dancer Jonathan I guess we have to let you go. We don't want to but I don't want to leave. I'm having so much fun I think maybe we'll make some videos and Thank you guys for listening go where can people follow you Instagram take talk LinkedIn He's like my Pinterest Etsy profile I I'm like, LinkedIn. A lot of LinkedIn lately. He's like, my Pinterest, Etsy profile, I post a lot of LinkedIn. What's your handle? Jiggity John on all social platforms except LinkedIn.

You might wanna get that out there because I don't think most people will. Jiggity, where's? Oh, they know now. What's Jiggity about? My best friend, he just has a lot of words all the time. And I walked in to his room one morning after we, I think we were on a trip somewhere

and I said something just, I don't know. I don't know what I said, but he literally just goes, shut up, Jiggity. And I was like, what? And died laughing immediately. And I go, that's it. That's the name. I'm changing my Instagram handle.

Jiggity John. So now it's Jiggity John. And it just, people call me Jiggity just because it's a funny name. And yeah, just stuck. All right, well, Jiggity John. Jiggity John, it's fun to say too. It is fun to say.

You know what I mean? People are like, you should change it for like, SEO purposes. Like if people look you up and I was like, honestly, it's a memorable name. Like, I'm gonna just fucking leave it. Like it's funny. There you go.

But Jonathan Johnson on LinkedIn. You are- Boring. Yeah, right? Honestly, it's a memorable name. Like I'm gonna just fucking leave it. Like it's funny. There you go. Fucking haters. But Jonathan Johnson on LinkedIn. You are- Boring. Yeah, right? You're even better in person, man. I appreciate it. I don't get it.

I can say the same about you guys. Oh, thanks. You're welcome. Thanks for listening, guys. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknick at thevolfiles.com. We are back tomorrow with all the wives from Secret Lives of Mormon wives?

Did I say it right? Such a tongue twister. Anyways, they're all with us tomorrow. No way. Yeah, it's great. For a jam packed electric episode of Going Deeper. And then on Thursday, we got Jen Tran with us. Plus a whole bunch of other stuff to get into.

Tell her to say hi. I will. Is there anything you want us to ask her on your behalf? And Tran with us, plus a whole bunch of other stuff to get into. Tell her I say hi. I will. Is there anything you want us to ask her on your behalf? Are you wanting to know anything that you're? Ask her if she wants to take me out on a date. No, we will. We will, no we ask.

And then tell her about John and Vinny's. I will. Does she not know about it? No, I will. Tell her I want to be wine to dine. Wine to dine, got it. I was chosen third, I think I deserve it. How deep can your voice go?

You have a nice nice rich voice. You ever heard Your Man by Josh Turner? Yes. Yeah, that one? You can. I can sing the shit out of that. Let's see it. And anything Frank Sinatra.

Can you sing? Frank Sinatra? Throw me on the voice. Frank Sinatra? I have a very select few people that I sing in front of. Can I play the instrumental to your man? No, absolutely not. Come on, Jonathan.

You can't say, like, oh, I'm this amazing singer, put me on the voice. Put me on the voice. I never said amazing. You want us to turn around? You want us to turn around? Will that make it feel like the voice? No, no, turn the cameras off and then maybe.

Everyone close your eyes. All right, close your eyes, Jonathan. No, I'm not doing it. Just kidding, I'm just kidding. No, you can't do this, Nick. Look at this. This is a nightmare. I would, you have asked me I'm not doing it. Just kidding. You can't do this. This is a nightmare. I would. You have you've asked me to do my singing.

You can sing, babe. No, but you ask people to put it on the spot and you're in. It's terrible. It's awful. You can't go do karaoke. We'll do karaoke. You can. We'll bring in John. The four of us plus Jen karaoke night.

John, they block the doors. I'm kidding. Come on. Give us a little song. Come on, John. That was pretty good. That was Josh Turner goes low. No, if you hear me do My Way by Frank Sinatra is my number one though.

Instrumentals on right now. Oh, the instrumental. I'm not doing it. John. I get up and I just, no. Yeah. Come on. No, no, no, no.

You can't, you can't put people in this spot like this. Yes, you can. You cannot, No, no, no, no. You can't. You can't put people in this calligraphy. Yes, you can. You cannot. Maybe we'll do it for our. I would rather tell you my kinks than sing that. Well, tell us more then. Then.

You had more that you didn't tell us? I'd rather not do any of them. Honestly, bring me on again. Maybe I'll talk to you about my kinks and I'll sing for you. All right, fine. We'll welcome you back. You're like, we have more important people to have on, dude.

You can't come back. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Bye.