The Viall Files - E808 - Jenn Tran Returns, Fyre Festival Rebooted, NFL Vibes vs Knowledge, and Foo Fighters’ Dave Grohl

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  This week, Jenn Tran returns to talk about Devin’s unhinged actions post-AFR. Spoiler alert: she’s thriving without him (aka Dancing with the Stars). Meanwhile, we get into week 2 of NFL vibes vs knowledge, the reboot of the Fyre Festival, James Earl Jones, and the downfall of the Nicest Man in Rock n Roll.  “If nothing else, he was incredibly sloppy and incredibly inconsiderate.” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: OneSkin - It’s time to get started with your new face, eye, and body routine at a discounted rate today! Get 15% off with the code VIALL at https://oneskin.co.  Lume - Use code VIALL for 15% off your first purchase at https://lumedeodorant.com  ZipRecruiter - See why ZipRecruiter is the hiring site employers prefer most, based on G2. Try it FOR FREE at this exclusive web address: https://ziprecruiter.com/viall  PXG - Head over to https://pxgapparel.com/viall and use code viall at checkout to save 10% on all apparel. Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @jenntran @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @the_mare_bare @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 07:19 - Household Headlines 09:13 - Royals 09:54 - Fyre Festival 2 15:41 - True Crime 19:32 - Astrology 20:57 - Chappell Roan 22:24 - Foo Fighters 31:12 - Vibes Or Knowledge52:43 - Welcome Back Jenn 55:53 - Devin 01:02:54 - Dating 01:05:55 - DWTS 01:12:10 - Baseball And Athletes 01:14:05 - Support From Bachelor Nation 01:18:49 - Outro

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you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you Please contact connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge bet MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Valve Files reality recap edition. Sorry, Lake Nick's here. Lake Nick is here. Can we have a different, like it's not Nick. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, it's not Okay, I have to work on letting that roll off the tongue me yeah or like Nathan I don't feel something boring but like I'm not Nick. You know, I think

We responded the most to Nick. Okay. Anyways, anyways, we're at the lake. Nick really threw me off. I'm so sorry. I just felt like you needed a name, you know, anyways, I'm Nick host of this show. That was weird. The household here.

We got Sierra Justin and introducing we figured, you know what? Honestly, she did such a good job of putting together vibes versus stats. Welcome Mary. Woo! Queen Mary. I'm here for vibes. She's here for the vibes.

Not knowledge. A couple of housekeeping notes before we get into the episode. The wonderful and charming, your bachelorette of the moment, Jen Tran is with us. She's back. She is back, she is in studio with us. Right after her ex Devin decided to go full tilt,

declining our invitation to have a just, maybe just thoughtful, kind of just give it its space, conversation, share a story, maybe we'd challenge him here to keep him fair. I'll dig myself a hole. No, he went on Instagram and posted a, I don't know what, 15 minute video or something like that. Anyways, he released texts.

He didn't miss a beat. I mean, he shared every single text they've ever sent to each other, which was just like wild, wild. I mean, he posted just like wild. Wild. I mean, he posted them. Yeah. Do you think there's a difference between sharing

or posting? I think being able to look at someone's phone. Someone sent me a text and they said this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah versus yeah, posting. Is there a difference? Yeah, I think being able to look at someone's phone and like read the text. Define sharing and define posting, like the difference.

You think posting to social media? I was like, Justin, Nellie just texted me this crazy shit. She said blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, or, well define posting, like the difference. You think posting to social media? I was like, Justin, Natalie just texted me this crazy shit. She said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, not even look at this. Like, I'm just telling you. I'm just reading it to you. I'm reading you the text. Versus putting up screenshots.

Yeah. For sure, yeah, a difference. The fact that he went through and like redacted photos and whatnot means that you spent time going through each one of these slides and posting them and didn't think to yourself, maybe this one doesn't need to be included, like, good mornings. No need. Yeah. He seemed to have gone too far.

The only thing I learned from Devin showing all of these texts was they use a lot of emojis. They like emojis. And not just like hearts, but like the niche emojis that you don't really ever use. I'm gonna go ahead and defend them. Please! It's not a critique. I'm interested. I wish I was more emoji. I wish I was more creative with my emojis. I rarely ever swipe through them. You know how it has the like recommended what you... I am there. So like Justin yesterday when posting

maybe the household's best of all time, the Mormon wives drama. It was really beautiful. It really elicited a moment. It was wonderfully artistic. Congratulations member of the household. Zach sent me the caption and the caption was something like,

tomorrow there are more secrets. And Zach very creatively decided to add the shh emoji. And- I won't throw him under the bus. That was my choice. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, thinking, like, I'm posting as me on my show, and should I be, like, posting an emoji that goes, tsh, you know? So I said, lose the emoji.

And at the end of the day, to be honest, I wish I could just own the fact that, like, I thought the emoji was a good idea, and fuck the judgment. But sadly, sometimes, like, we are only human. And I'm just saying that like these are two people who spent, I don't know, nine hours together before they got engaged.

And then they went their separate ways and then they are able to hang out every two to three weeks locked in a, I don't know, 2000 square foot house in LA. It's crazy. So when they're text, maybe they're just very like nervous about being like misunderstood misunderstood or you know, you know how we always critique texting, not the best form of communication.

So they're just trying to really add color, and excitement or energy to the text because they don't want to be misconstrued. Maybe that was the intent. Behind the emojis. Yeah. Maybe I also did learn that her secret name was Coco Chanel.

Love. I love that too. Her pet name was Coco Chanel love I love that her pet name was Coco Chanel Coco Chanel That's a bougie, you know when we talk to Jen, I would love to introduce her as Coco Chanel But I I imagine she feels a certain way. Oh, I'm sure she like absolutely is not interested in hearing Will be really in But they don't call each other that. They don't? I don't know. That was just the name that he had in his phone so that people wouldn't know it was her. You know what? I'm gonna add some context to that.

Okay. Please. After you get engaged, as there are nosy people in this world and Jen is a celebrity, that when you exchange numbers, you make up fake names. So that if people were to look at your phone. So they came up with Coco Chanel. You just unlocked a memory in my head. My high school student cup teacher gave me her phone number and she was like, it cannot be my name.

And I had like this fake name that she had to prove in my phone that was her phone number. Why, oh my God. Her name was Patricia on my phone. Patricia. Interesting. Why was your teacher giving- And then like when they're filming,

when they're filming they always- Wait, you're glossing over something that we need to understand why your teacher was like, take my number but don't tell anyone. Yeah, wait, what? Cause she was afraid, I don't know that students were gonna like prank her. But why did you have-

But why did you get it? Cause I was ASB vice president, hello. Oh, per. Yeah. It was for word purposes. You were inappropriate. Yeah. She was a little problematic.

I gotta say, if River comes home one day and says, my teacher gave me her number and insisted, she will use the word insisted when she said it, and insisted that she use a fake name, alarm bells would go off. I mean, for sure. For sure. Yeah, retrospectively. I don't wanna dive too deep into Justin's childhood.

Too much trauma there, next. Too much trauma, woo! Okay, what do you think Jen's level of sense of humor about this is? Because it's like, it's a, well, if we say, hey, Coco Chanel, like that's a, that's a big test on her. I don't think so.

No, no. Yeah, no. Nobody wants to be reminded of their ex. The wound is fresh. Household headlines. I thought, I thought we're just buried. We're not in. Already?

Oh, I don't know. Are we? Sure. No. Oh, okay. Period. Take it away, Justin. Should we venture deeper? Keep the ball rolling.

James Earl Jones. Who? He has passed away. RIP. RIP. Baby, do you know who James Earl Jones is? Well. Okay.

So then I imagine you wouldn't know the two iconic voices that he voiced for- Darth Vader. Really? Did you look at the notes? No, Justin accidentally said it earlier. You really? Remember when you were like, shh, let me see.

If he did Darth Vader, I'm gonna guess he also did- Completely don't go- Sven Frob? That's a good guess actually. He has range. Mufasa. Oh. Sexy.

He was also in the Sandlot. Oh. Yes, he was. Who isxy. He was also in the Sandlot. Oh. Yes, he was. And he's still in it. Who is he? Is that old guy in the Sandlot? He's in Feel the Dreams. He's in Feel the Dreams.

I don't know about that. He wasn't like shockingly not enough stuff. He must have been very selective or, he must have made just Gillians just making like commercials with his voice and probably didn't have to do. I'm sorry, Gillians? He did theater as well, I think. Anyways, he was an incredible actor.

He was also in the Harrison Ford movies when Clear and Present Danger and Hunt for October. Oh my God, were these in like the 1920s? What's going on here? Maybe, maybe. I don't think so. All of us like in the room are like, yeah, I love that movie, Sierra.

Have you heard of any of these? He was in Coming to America. Yes, he was. He played the king. I love that one. He's very like, yeah, I love that movie, Sierra. Have you heard of any of these? He wasn't coming to America. Yes, he was. He played the king. I love that one. He's very like, oh my God, that guy. Yeah. No, he is iconic.

Well, that's sad that he's passed away. What was the cause of his death? Not public yet. He was 93. Oh, maybe just time. A hell of a run. A hell of a run, 93. It's more, it's a celebration of life.

Absolutely. But good news, super good news. Princess of Wales, Kate is cancer free. Hell yeah. Good for her. That's amazing. We confirm it was not bangs, it wasn't a BBL, it was cancer. I think people stop speculating once they just let it out before.

Congratulations, Kate. We are so happy for her and her family. Bad news, good news. The one-offs are really hard to really get into, you know, and it's just a one-off. But the world needs to know. I will say the video that they released, like announcing that she's cancer-free was really pretty. It's like it was good that they kind of combated the media with like a good, like very honest, like beautiful story

that she spoke for herself, which is nice. I love that. Yeah, we love that. On another note, so we all know what Fyre Festival is, right? Yeah, I thought I was gonna throw the second one at my wedding. Oh.

That's funny. He didn't trust the process. I wasn't sure if it was gonna all come together, and it was certainly worthy, and glad we did it, but not inexpensive and so I was a bit concerned leading up that it the money was spent people were gonna show up you're gonna show up what was gonna happen after that I was unclear as someone who was not at either yours was gorgeous and it wasn't fire

festival we've been sitting on our their full-length wedding video because we shared so much in the beginning I don't know if that's something anyone wants to see anymore. I want it's really good. It's really good It's maybe the best video i've ever seen probably a little biased but we could post it as a video on instagram Oh, that's right. Well If we know nothing we know that from devin we can post at least a six minute video if he's posting 13 minute videos So is it posted as as a real though? No, you post as a video on Instagram. Not real video. You can do that. Yep. What? It's okay, grandpa. Did not know that. Okay. Well, Fire Festival 2 is happening. So Billy McFarland

announced it. Absolutely not. Fire Festival 2 is happening April 25th, 2025. I'm sorry. Anything this man says, why are we, why is anyone listening? It's crazier. He goes in, he says, we have a private island off the coast of Mexico in the Caribbean. Now you don't. And we have an incredible production company

who's handling everything from soup to nuts. No one wants to work with you. He's saying a whole lot of nothing. And we've heard this before. Well, just wait. So he says, we haven't booked any of the talent for Fire 2. It's not just going to be music. For example, Karate Combat, where he talks with them to set up a pit to have live fights. Just wait. So he says we haven't booked any of the talent for fire 2 It's not just going to be music for example karate combat

We're talking to them to set up a play live fights Then he says VIP tickets for 1.1 million dollars will go on sale Where you'll get to be on a private boat scuba diving with him bouncing to other islands countries and small planes Over a hundred people have already applied for VIP tickets some scientists needs to study this man's brain. That and the people that submitted for a $1.1 million ticket to sit on a boat with him. Yeah. That's wild.

You deserve to have your money like, just blown away at that point. That's true. If you trust Billy McFarland again, you deserve to be poor. In the year of our Lord 2024. Maybe that's what rich people do to like, you know, like fight club where they want to just get punched

in the face to just know how it felt. Like maybe it's rich people are like, take my money. Just like waste my money. In the fight pit. They're dying to be hoodwinked and bamboozled. Yeah. It's crazy. No, he went to jail for this.

Maybe it gives him a thrill. Maybe there's an excitement behind. It would be iconic to like be at Fire Festival too. Like I think so. Like even if it was a scam, like I would put myself through it just to be like, I was there. Well, you're assuming you'd make it out alive.

That's true. That is true. I think it's cooler for the people who went the first time because like why not try to be a part of something that's unique, but not if you're going the second time, genuinely like hoping for a concert, you're a fucking idiot.

I guess if we sent the team, like, you know, Justin, if you want to go as a member of the household to bring a camera, 1.1 million. I'll go on the boat. You being willing to do that is different than you like going as a, this is going to be the best concert ever. Festival of all time. You go knowing it's going to be a let down, but you're like, they improved something, so I at least have like AC and like a snack, you know?

I'm gonna take myself out. Yeah. The running of. You know where also has AC and snacks? Your house. That is true. So true. If nothing else, the confidence this man,

thinking he deserves a second chance. It's crazy. To get people to wanna waste their money. I guess if nothing else, this is proof that, we'll see what happens. Let's closely follow if he's able to pull this off because this will be a real true testament to people's willingness to want to waste money.

Were there no consequences for the first go-around that he's able to do this again? Because he went to jail for it, but I'm like, how is he able to put together the exact same situation? Just new investors. I feel like, you know, whether it's like registering as a sex offender or losing the right to vote

if you're a criminal, I don't think you lose the right to like conduct business, and that's essentially all he's doing. There's no like specific, I don't think, legislation around like, once you try to start a festival there's no specific, I don't think, legislation around once you try to start a festival and you fuck up, you can't no longer start a festival. It's just-

Like scamming people. Sure, but yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think you can, unlike, there are certain crimes that when you get out, again, you have to register as a sex offender, or you do lose the right to vote if you were convicted of a felony. There are certain rights that you might not get and there are certain jobs that

like, I don't know, like there's certain jobs it might matter most, but like overall, there's not a legislation making it illegal for people get out of prison to not work because all he's doing is he's conducting business. He's making phone calls. he's trying to broker deals, booking talent, all these transactions, everything he's talking about are just business transactions. Yeah. But that does seem bizarre considering he was arrested

for what, fraud, I mean like- Color crimes, yeah. The fact that he's able to get out and do it again is- Yeah, if a con artist goes to prison for committing a con and gets out, how do you... Yes, they might try to commit another con. It's like Anna Delby. She went to jail, but she came out and now she's a star.

I guess it's just crazy that he's... You can't say, the only thing to stop, you're not allowed to conduct business. I guess it's just crazy to think that he's just out there advertising, marketing, this whole thing, The only thing to stop you, you're not allowed to conduct business. You're not allowed to work. I guess it's just crazy to think that he's just out there like advertising, marketing, this whole thing. And it's like, Yeah, this is all entertainment tonight.

It's crazy for the investors. Like who's investing their money in this? Crazy. Shit show part two. You know what? It's just cause I know what Justin's gonna bring up. Here's a transition. Like this is in line with the study you told me about,

Justin, about how it's not good for your mental health or it says something about you. It's a red flag if you like enjoy sitting down and watching true crime. Some people, what do I always say in this fucking show? Like the brain prefers pain to boredom. Like some people get off on pain. Some people get off on discomfort.

Some people get off on this shit. And so the people who are willing to like go to fire festival too, and honestly, maybe no one, because like right now he's just talking about what he's going to do. He hasn't done shit. But if he does in fact pull this off,

then it will be a testament to people's like willingness to like put themselves in a shitty situation. Why do every time there's like these crazy criminals, who's the guy you've been following and he has all these women. He's a terrible person, committed these terrible crimes. Wayne Wilson.

And he's got just, seems like tons of women like fawning over him. Some people are just into some fucked up shit. Anyways. No facts. The Wade Wilson shit is crazy. Yeah, I mean, well you hinted at it. So basically a psychologist warned

that it's a major red flag to relax while enjoying true crime. So psychologist Dr. Therma Bryant explained that treating true crime shows as a way to relax before bed could mean that the trauma portrayed in the series is in quotes familiar to you and could even be a sign that you need counseling.

She specifically said, if your idea of relaxing before you go to sleep is watch three episodes of true crime, that I would encourage you to think about why is trauma relaxing to me? Yeah, so that's on point. Bars. Do we wanna, everyone just take a moment

and reflect on that? I think we need to. True Crime for me, I don't watch it because I feel guilty like speculating on like people's deaths and like murders and then like romanticizing it. Yeah. But going back to Fire Festival,

like that's kinda what I'm saying. It's just like, I think that's very eloquently put, someone obviously much smarter than us. But whether it's watching true crime or putting yourself in these situations, I think, yeah, why are we repeat offenders of putting ourselves in situations that get us in trouble? It's just because we, you know,

I wasn't trying to make this in an ASNIC episode, but also there is a great asnick episode on a Monday It was out on Monday or coming it comes out every Monday. Oh, did we done house? We didn't even do housekeeping yet. We have all the ladies house cleaning. I was cleaning Last week we had Taylor Paul electric episode new star of the secret lives of Mormon wives We have the rest of the ladies this week. They are on Going Deeper this week. It came out yesterday, if you haven't checked it out. It is also electric, but you know,

it's even more electric. It's unhinged. It's unhinged. It really is. It was a great, it was so much fun. Everyone but Whitney. Very Whitney of her. So I would, Whitney, if you're out there.

No, we would. I just don't think she's interested in us. I got clowned for defending Whitney. Where did you defend Whitney? In the episode. Last reality recap. Are you reading the comments, Justin? No, I try not to, but I did see one comment

that was like Justin being devil's advocate every episode is like annoying. And I was like, oh, that's it. Justin, you are beloved. You are. Don't listen to them. I'm gonna still defend her, but I don't know. Period.

Listen, we welcome the criticism. Yeah. And we welcome the devil's advocate, although I don't believe that he needs one, but we do welcome your side because you do create some discourse and I do love disagreeing with you sometimes. Thank you.

Yeah, you're a gentle disagreeer. You are gentle. And you don't even do it in a condescending way because I think that's a lot of people do. They can't go gentle because it's in this condescending, but you're just like, I don't know. You in a condescending way. Cause I think that's a lot of people do. Like they can't go gentle because that it's in this condescending, but you're just like, I don't know. You're just more playful about it. You're like, it's just.

I don't know. I just like love her. And you're like, oh my God, okay. Well then I love her too. If you, if you love her, I love her. You know why, you know that audio of Kim Kardashian, like the Kardashians old episodes where it's like, Kim, people are dying.

Like that's a constant monologue in my head where I'm like, it's not that serious for half of these things. Truly. What's your Mercury? Do you know? No clue. Wow.

Are we talking astrology? A little bit. Yeah, I was just wondering what his Mercury was. That's the way you communicate. It's retrograde. It's in retrograde. Is it? Is it?

Are there different types of Mercury? Yeah, everyone like for every, everyone has a different Mercury. The fuck does for every, everyone has a different mercury. The fuck does that mean? Everyone has a different nose. So true. I mean, it makes you who you are. Setbacks.

So mercury is like, according to astrologers, it's the planet of like communication. So whatever like sign your mercury is in, like that's like how you communicate. So like I'm a Pisces mercury. Okay. So. I've never heard of this. Well, how do you learn what your Mercury is?

Your birth chart. Your birth chart, mama, yeah. Birth chart. Is that something the hospital gives you because we didn't get one forever? If I told you September 28th. Oh, I don't know. You gotta put that into cafe astrology.

Yeah, what time you were born, where you were born. Wait, Natalie, speaking of the doctors not giving a chart, I've been asking for my blood type for like how old am I, 23 years now, and they will not give it to me. Have you gotten your blood drawn? I have, and then I ask them like every doctor, I'm like, do you have it?

And they're like, ask this doctor, ask this doctor. And I'm like, well, like can I have it? And they're like, oh, we don't give that out. And I'm like, but it's my blood. I don't know my blood type. Maybe. Do you know your blood type, Sierra? I'm an O. Oh, she's special. I'm know your blood type, Sierra? I'm an O.

Oh, she's special. I'm a universal donor, but I can only take from O. You should know this, right? You should know this, yeah. Well, Chappell Roan, we all love and know her. So she came out and she said that she's not gonna take any brand deals that don't serve her music or help her world building.

And she specifically mentioned like H&M and like other brands. So she's turning them down if it's not her music. For me, I have a lot of respect for Chappell in her saying this, because it's like, she's blown up. She's not on the cover of Rolling Stones. And it's like, if it's not her actual music, she doesn't want it. I like the way that she's going about her career.

That's not, I don't know, run by other people exactly. She's like, I'm just gonna do what makes sense for me and fuck everybody else. And I'm kind of here for it. Yeah, I think it's amazing that we're in like a position in culture where somebody like Chaperone can exist and like keep like her autonomy. Yeah, without the capitalized. Yeah, and just like being extremely genuine and I think it's like, yeah, she is very,

very on point about everything she stands for, which I think is amazing. Her talent speaks for itself. She's still making some money, isn't she? Oh my God, yeah. Oh yeah, she's got the dough. Okay, so. She's on the cover of like magazines that are promoting her as a music image,

but versus like she's not on the cover of like brands. Don't be expecting any teeth whitening Q&As from Chappell. No, no, no. Could y'all imagine? How would you be crazy? Don't be expecting any teeth whitening Q&A's from Chappell. No. Could y'all imagine? People would buy. I would buy. Well, you would know it'd be authentic to her. You know?

You do know it would be authentic. That's true. She would not do anything that wasn't. You know who is reaching out? I don't know who this is, but Dave Grohl, a singer from the Food Fighters. You know who is reaching out? Not to me, because I don't know who this is but Dave Grohl a singer from the Foo Fighters You know who is reaching out not to me cuz I don't know who he is but uh Who is reaching out to his other family? Yeah, okay Foo Fighters. Well, so I don't know if he's a lead singer, but whoever he is in the Foo Fighters Dave Grohl

He said I've recently become the father of a new baby daughter born outside of my marriage I plan to be loving and supportive parent to her I love my family and my children and I'm doing everything I can to regain their trust and earn their forgiveness. We're grateful for your consideration toward all of the children involved as we move forward together.

So out of nowhere, he announced that he's having a child out of wedlock. Why did he feel the need to do that? No, why do you have to announce it? We don't know. Like were people like coming after him or was he just like, you know what? I just can't hold this in any longer. I would have

never known and I would consider myself a Dave Grohl fan I mean Nirvana. Who is he in Foo Fighters? He's the lead singer of Foo Fighters. He was the drummer in Nirvana. Whoa. Really cool YouTube video I don't know that much knowledge about rock and roll but there was a really talented drummer who passed away and his son, like his 10, 12, I don't know, teenage son after he passed away, drummed at the Food Fighters concert and was awesome. And it was like a true truth. Oh yeah, D-Miller.

D-Miller. It's like, if you want to feel good, watch that video. But yeah, I mean, I'm a fan, but like had he not posted on Instagram, I would never have known. Do we care? I mean, it's because he's known as the nicest man in rock and roll. So it's just funny. I never thought the nicest man in rock and roll

was- Celebrate. Incapable of being, you know, having a low character moment or two. Oh, exactly. But I think it's just goofy. It's just goofy when you brand yourself as that kind of, and then you're like, okay, well let me get ahead of this.

Well, did he brand himself of it, or did the world brand him of it? It's a good question. Like, was he like, hey everyone, I've met a lot of my peers, and I'm here to say I am the nicest one. Yeah, did he do an episode on Sesame Street or Mr. Rogers or something? I don't know, I am the nicest one. Yeah, did he like do an episode on Sesame Street or Mr. Rogers or something?

I don't know, I don't know. I just like, I think that's just like how people kind of saw him because he was just like a good guy in the public, which no one knows anyone personally. Was he posting videos of him going to children's hospitals? Like Russell Wilson, not to bring it back to football, like Russell Wilson sometimes gets criticized as being disingenuous.

In his first few years in the league, incredible reputation, the good guy. But then I think it kind of got out that some people, he was always posting and promoting for himself, you know, going to children's hospitals and he's doing great things. I mean, he does do these things. But the self-promotion, I think over time

started rubbing, you know, first his teammates and then in the public the wrong way. So I'm just curious yeah was he doing shit like that or to Nellie's question did we just all think he was a clean-cut guy with really long hair who sang good? Yeah I think it was just like I don't think he ever like super branded himself that way from what I know. I think with the Nirvana of it all, like he's the one that like still kind of had fame and everybody obviously like Nirvana takes up

such a very, very special place in people's hearts for people that grew up with that music. And then with Foo Fighters and stuff and is genuinely like a pretty chill, you know, easy going guy. So everyone's like, oh, he's the nicest man in rock and roll. And that's kind of how it happened.

What happened to Bonnie Tyler? She's my favorite person in rock and roll. She got eclipsed. You want to hear a fun Nirvana fact? Yes. Wait, eclipsed? Bonnie Tyler. What does that mean? Did she pass?

No, the song. Total Eclipse of the Heart. Sing it, Justin, sing it. Total eclipse of the heart. Nick's got it from him. Night eyes, every time I get enough from all the pain. I love that song. Banger. Oh my god. And it's got a part. I love that song.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Actually I'm done here guys. Love you so much. Wait, fun fact of Nirvana. Yeah. My uncle was in a band called Fire Town that was once had a music video on MTV

when MTV was like in the early eighties. Let's go. My uncle grew up and like Fire Town just never really, really made it. But like, they had a moment and then like many bands before them just stopped. He started a family and a member of his band, his name, I think Butch McCray,

definitely his first name is Butch. He produced Nirvana Nevermind. Oh wow. Lex. And then was also in the band Garage. Nice. Okay, little 90s grunge moment on the biofiles. Basically you are Nirvana.

I'm basically Nirvana. I didn't know you were in a band, Nick. Kirk O'Bain reincarnated. I am Nirvana Nevermind. Okay. Well, it sounds like he's gonna be a dad. I hope whether him and his wife want to make their relationship work, that they're able to do that.

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Who's playing this weekend? Okay, so the two games. Also can we look up, just Zach, what the point spreads for these respective games that Mary has selected. Oh, see, I don't even know what point spreads mean. We're not on the statistics side. Yeah.

We're on the vibes. I did not pass my statistics exam in high school. So I'm here to vibe. Anyway, what are team colors? Okay, vibe football, week two. Game one, we're going. The Baltimore Ravens versus the Las Vegas Raiders. Oh, I know the Raiders.

Okay, okay, okay. I love Lara Croft, so Tomb Raiders. Oh, do you though? Ooh, I was Lara Croft for Halloween like a couple years ago. Okay, hot. Slave. Okay, hot.

Yeah, let's. What else do we have? What are the Raiders? What are their vibes? The Raiders' vibes? Okay, so you may know them, used to be in Oakland, not anymore. Now they're in Las Vegas.

Their colors, silver and black. Kind of boring. That's cute though. But a little spooky. A little spooky. October's coming. Yeah, I have a hard time with silver. Mysterious.

I do too. It's just like, I don't know. You want a little pop of color. I do like that you can like always wear black to their game and like easy, like it's easy to be a fan. Cause like, oh, what do you wear? Like for the package, it's like, fuck, now I have to buy a bunch of green shit.

And is it the right shade of green? Like probably not. So I'm respecting the colors of the Raiders. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. She makes a good point. That is a very practical point. Thank you.

Their mascot is a Raider. Well, their mascot is a Raider. Well, their mascot is the Raider's rusher, which is just, I have a picture of him. It's just a guy with a little spiky helmet. Oh, he's scaring the ass. He's kind of giving, do you know that old video of some reality show, it was like Wipes What? I don't know, but it was this kid and he had like a mohawk and he was like asking the woman, he was like, do you like hardcore punk rock?

And she was like, no. No, their mascot literally is a tiny child. Yeah. Okay, I don't like that. Is that just a head on a body? That's weird. Yeah, sometimes he does appear as just a head on a body. Well, picture of their fans.

Their fans dress up like a badass. Their fans look cool as fuck. That's terrifying. Joking. Wait, I have a dumb question. Yeah? Is St. 49ers also San Francisco and then where they were Oakland?

No, they were Oakland. Yeah, they were, there's a couple, like hockey has the- That's confusing. Baseball has two teams. Yeah, it's a big area. The animals that are repeated. They lived in Oakland,

they developed a gambling addiction, they moved to Vegas. Oh, so they just got it. Wait, so who's their star player? I mean, star player, they're- Devonta Adams, former Packer. Yeah. Okay.

That guy. Really? Talented, right? Yeah. Yes, very good. Very good. He always does this whenever he gets a first down, he goes, done, done.

No, that's Aaron Jones. I mean, not sore wound, but I've heard the Packers lost their last game, so I'm not sure that's helping us out on the Raiders. Oh my God. Why does that have to do with- Justin. That wasn't unnecessary.

He's not on the team anymore. That was way out of left field. No, I'm just- What's the correlation? Justin. Raiders. The correlation. Devante.

No, we acknowledge that Devante used to play for the Packers. I don't understand that he used to play for the Packers. Okay, so then he's- Okay, well I just, the facts that I'm hearing. I don't think I've ever, this might be the first time I've been mad at Justin. Justin. I'm just repeating what I've heard.

Wait, so he was good on the Packers then, right? He was really good on the Packers. Really good on the Packers. Justin's in his villainy. So he is a really good player. So like that could be, but also I'm already startled by some of the fan photos that I saw.

So I don't know if I could go to a game. Those fans are spooky. I think they're very friendly. No, actually no, like they're- They look so scary. Yeah. Anyways. They're dedicated.

What about the Ravens? Okay, so the Ravens. I got him out, sorry. It's okay. Yeah you did, you really ruined our whole lake trip, Justin. I'm sorry. The Ravens color scheme, we're going purple, like a dark purple, we're going black,

we're going metallic gold. Oh, okay. See, purple and gold. Purple is not. No. I don't love purple. Okay. These are royal colors.

What did she do to you? Listen, she just feels... She just doesn't... She doesn't feel flattering for me. Okay. This is a me problem for sure. Yes. You know, so I...

Someone called her a grape once. Someone called me a grape once and I'll never forget it. They called me a big fat grape. So I'll never forget it. So what else? what is their mascot? Okay, so basically the Ravens take their name from the Edgar Allan Poe poem the Raven English project on that in the sixth grade. I did too. Hell, yeah Did you know that before he died in a gutter, he used to spend a lot of time in Baltimore.

Yeah. Wait, so this mascot kind of looks like the dolphins, just a different font. I think he's cute. His name is Po. Oh, he's cute. One time Po had, he was playing a game with some kids and he got injured and had to be very dramatically

carted off the field. Wait, Po did? Po did. We love the drama. He got like carted off the field. Oh. Aw. Wait, Poe did? Poe did. We love the drama. He got carted off one of the players. Whoa. Okay. I didn't know you could card mascots. Do they have any fight songs or anything fun?

They do have a marching band. So they are one of two teams in the league that has- Where are they playing this game? They're playing it in Baltimore. In Baltimore. Yeah. Okay. Also- I'm seeing a lot of purple. Yeah, lots of purple. John Harbrow is their Yeah. Also- You're seeing a lot of purple.

Yeah, lots of purple. John Harbrow is their coach, his brother Jim, also a coach. So sibling rivalries. They once played against each other, coached against each other in the Super Bowl. Yeah, pop off. Which who won, the Ravens or? The Ravens won.

Okay, that's something to note. The lights went off at halftime for like 45 minutes and some people think it's a betting conspiracy. Well, speaking of conspiracies, there's some drama around the beginning of their relationship or beginning of their relationship, beginning of their inception. Much like Tom and Ariana, I would say,

got off to a little bit of conspicuous and conspicuous start because the Baltimore Ravens used to be the Cleveland Browns and then one night they just like switched left they just left went to Baltimore like they literally just like did a goth rebrand in a new city which I kind of respect. The owner you know it was his business and he took it which can't happen to the Green Bay Packers. Like imagine you live in Cleveland

You know what? I have I already know who's winning. Yeah, who's the first one? Raiders are winning because we love Packers. Oh He's trying to get back on your good side. He's trying so hard Quick Raiders one quick telling me forgive him quick. I forgive you Justin. Okay. Okay now, but I do think we go I do think we I do think we go Raiders. I do think we go Raiders. Is this a group decision between you guys, or you guys, everyone wanna do their own thing? No, what are the vibes? We all have to agree.

I personally hate the Ravens because I grew up a Steelers fan, so I, like, in my blood have to hate them. I hate them too. Yeah. Well, I think you guys can all do your own thing, and we can keep score. Yeah. We've got the best vibe. We represent the household though.

I felt like because I felt like that was what was fun. Like people were like messing with me. All right, well you guys decide. Our team won, like, you know. Yeah. Who will decide? I feel like this is gonna be a whole like love Island situation where you guys are gonna be blaming

each other next week. The backseat. Who like really influenced the vote the most. Sierra did just take the backseat on the Raiders one. I did. I will say one last thing about the Ravens though, because they are Baltimore. If anybody is a fan of the movie Hairspray. Yeah.

Good morning, Baltimore. Good morning, Baltimore. The Turnblad family would be Ravens. Edgar Allan Poe. And Edgar Allan Poe. I don't know. I think they're kind of in like this purely vibe wise. I would maybe go Ravens just because I love a little

like spooky goth moment. But then at the same time, like because of growing up being a fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers, we hate them. So it's very hard. Have the Raiders ever won a Super Bowl? That's a good question. But Mary, you can be a super fan and still make a pick. I think vibe wise, Ravens for me personally.

I'm kind of with the Ravens too. And Raiders fans scare me. You're just gonna make Nellie wear purple. Y'all are gonna make me call to great again. You can wear gold. Okay. You can wear gold. It's not really much better.

I have the choice to wear gold for Packers and it doesn't really work for me. Purple and gold is not that good. Also she. The Raiders head coach is 27 million dollars in debt. The Raiders? Yeah, Antonio Pierce. It's something around that, it's a big number.

The Raiders head coaches? Yeah, Antonio Pierce. He is, this is true nepotism. Yeah, he also owns the Las Vegas Aces, the WNBA team. Jeez. And they're great. The Raiders. He's have some money on them. But look at him.

Oh, that's a haircut. It is a haircut. That is a choice. He's the most Vegas looking man I've ever seen in my entire life. Okay, I feel like we are all on the same page. You're gonna go. We're gonna go Ravens.

I'm also gonna go Ravens. You can't. You can't. Again, this is an accumulation over the course of the year. We'll see, like every week, this is how you make picks, babe. You can't, like, because sometimes we actually both might agree. Natalie's gatekeeping the Ravens.

We're now tied, we're one and one. You won, I won a game last week. We will pick the same game, so yeah, that's fun, but sometimes that's how. Wait, what's the second game? We have another one but sometimes that's how. Wait what's the second game? We have another one right? Game two, Chicago Bears versus the Houston Texans. The Bears. Exactly let's start off with the Bears. Color scheme Navy blue, orange, and white. Love because Auburn is Navy blue and orange love those colors. They're very very Auburn.

Very Auburn. I think orange just triggers me because like dolphins orange is love those colors. They're very auburn. Very auburn. I think orange just triggers me, because like dolphins orange is just ugly too. It just doesn't look good. But listen. This orange is like a burnt orange isn't it? They mainly wear purple so. Yeah. Yeah.

Sacrifices. Their mascot, Staley Da Bear. Yup. And he is a slay. Look at him. Look at that guy. That dude is a Chicago man. Not a bear in a suit. He's a bear in. Look at him. Look at that guy. Another is a Chicago man. Not a bear in a suit.

He's a bear in a suit. Love. Sources tell me that he is actually the secret cook in the kitchen in the hit TV show, The Bear. And don't look that up. But that's how they got that up. Don't look that up. Filmed in Chicago, right?

Takes place in Chicago. Filmed in Chicago. And behind the scenes, Staley,abare. Justin Fields is their quarterback, right? No, he's now the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yes he is. Caleb Williams is now the quarterback of the Bears.

And he did not play very well in his first game, but he is only a rookie. I did find out he is younger than me. Oh. Yeah, he's 22. Good for him. Isn't that crazy? 22, wow, and a quarterback, wow. It's a young man's that crazy? 22, wow.

It's a young man's game, football, professional sports. Fun facts, they play at Soldier Field, which is very beautiful, I've seen it. The field's not so great, but. Yeah, but to look at it from the lake. It has gotten criticism compared to other beautiful stadiums like Lambeau Field is looking more like a spaceship of some sorts. Futurism.

Lambeau is the Packers. Well, Soldier Field before its renovation was dope as fuck. It had like these pillars. It looked like a fort. Like an honestly thing, it was based off of some sort of military fort. I could be totally fucking wrong there. And then they remodeled it.

They didn't, you know, and then they turned like an old, plurred fort. It's just like, it was weird. It's like they, yeah, they did't, you know, and then they turned like an old, plurred fort. It's just like it was weird. It's like they, yeah, they did future when it was, I don't take a picture of it. Retrofitted. Yeah, it was, I don't know. It's not without its criticisms, but Mary likes it. I mean, I just went to school in Chicago, so I'm biased. So I used to, you know, do more walk.

Sounds patronizing. But if you think it's pretty from the lake, then I trust you, Mary, and I also think it's pretty from the lake. Thank you Yeah, it also has we don't need to really research Yeah, we don't need to like go into like the history of like what it once was I feel like what it is now Fun facts about them. They have a very famous recurring SNL sketch about them with Mike Myers Chris Farley and norm from Cheers so Not many bears bears So not many... Duh bears.

Duh bears. Not many other football teams can say the same. Just gonna say. Sorry about it. SNL. SNL. When it was good. The Packers did appear on Pitch Perfect 2, I believe it was. Wow. You know what? I love...

A sequel. Wait, we love... Oh, my God. Did make it on Pitch Perfect, huh? You know what? I love- A sequel. Wait, we laughed. Wait. Oh my God. Did make it on Pitch Perfect, huh? You know what? This is me being honest. That wins my heart. I love the Packers.

Cause Pitch Perfect I was obsessed with. Oh, here Dustin goes. No, that one's true. We're back on the Packers. That one's true though. That one's true. What about your friend that went to, you know, spend a nice time in Chicago?

Who are we? Who's the Bears we're seeing? The Bears are playing the Texans. But the Bears are very cute. Is the Texans, no, Matthew McConaughey's team, or is that Longhorns? Texans, that's the same team. Yes.

Houston Texans, their colors are deep steel blue, battle red, Liberty white, and H-town blue. Love the way they describe their colors. Right? Love. Love. I like this. And H town blue. Love the way they describe their colors, right? Love. Love. It's creative. I love the adjectives. Going the extra mile.

They really did. They went the extra mile. So their mascot is this guy named Toro. He's a bull because obviously they have the rodeo Houston. And this is not the Dallas Cowboys. No, this is not the Dallas Cowboys. This is the Houston. This is the Houston Texans. Well, this is not the Dallas Cowboys. This is the Houston. This is the Houston Texans.

Well, these are the Oilers. Another like Baltimore, the Houston Oilers moved to Tennessee. I thought you said that's not how you pronounce that word. Oilers. Oilers. Oilers. Oilers.

Maybe I'm turning into you. You are, we're morphing. Oh my gosh, he's cool. I like this team. He's kind of a bad bitch. Yeah. Yeah, he's giving. Toro.

But I keep thinking about our bear in the suit, and he was just so handsome. I mean, I feel like they would be friends if they met. He would win in a fight. He would win in a fight, though. He's got the horns. I think Staley the bear is more of like a a let's all just be friends, but Toro could kill someone. So who won? So the Bears won their first game. Did the Texans also win their first game? It's a really good question. They did. They did.

Yes. Okay, because that's good to know. What I've heard though is the first week doesn't do anything, right? The first week. That is true, Justin. The first week is often... Are you true Justin, the first week is often a misrepresentation of the team. He's letting you know that the first week when the Packers lost, it doesn't matter. But I mean that's true, right? So we can't depend on the first week. Yeah, no, it's been one week. Would you judge someone off of like, let's say you're on a break.

That's why bites are more reliable. Yeah, you're on a break, you come back, you're getting into the groove of things. It's true. A fun fact about the Texans, famous fan alert, Rainey Rodriguez from the hit TV show, Austin and Allie, is a Houston Texans fan. Okay, so I'm voting for the Texans. Mm-hmm, bye love.

I feel like I, I'm hating that we're on a road, we're on a path here, a fork in the road, Justin, because I'm feeling the bearsies. I am too. And Mary went to college there. I know, but like, Perro's cute. Nick is trying to cheat, Nick's trying to cheat. He's trying to send me down, he's like,

you should go to Texas. No, no, I can't. You're praying on my downfall, you want me to lose, huh? You know the bears are gonna win? I don't wanna shut the fuck up. Do you know the bears are gonna win? I'll shut the fuck up. Do you know the Bears are gonna win? No. Wait, the Bears are winning?

No, Nick has an incentive. Nick is gonna play for the Bears. I'm picking Houston. You're picking Houston. Well, pop off, pick Houston. How are you feeling, Justin, about switching your team or now, are you really stuck on it? I think Texans, I'm sorry, red, white, and blue.

That's like my daily color scheme. Very patriotic. You are such an American. I'm an American. Also, he would win in a fight. If the mascots were fighting on the field, he has horns. Yeah. So you think aggression is the most important thing

in the world? Yeah, a gentleman in a suit. Yeah, you don't think like his little sunglasses? That's all an act. He's putting on the suit to look like he knows what he's doing. Since we don't have Peter this episode, I guess Justin and Nick could team up,

and then it could just be like the girls against the boys. No, no, no. I could do that. He said, I don't want Justin. He said, no, no, no. He said, no, no, no. It just doesn't land with Justin. Justin's part of the vibe.

Just like, it doesn't land. Justin doesn't know football. Are we wearing purple? We wore purple last round. We're wearing purple. This can be an episode of humiliation for me. Orange? I'll wear orange.

What was the bears colors again? It's like navy blue, like a kind of burnt orange and white. I'm here for the bears. Their logo is really cool too, I will say. It's like this orange and blue bear. I'll wear a misprinted like orange that looks kind of red and then call it a day. Yeah. Okay, so yeah. Also like Loki, if you're in Chicago, like you can just wear like a cub shirt

and go to a bear's game. Cubs are cute, I've seen that. All Chicago teams, very cute. Cause you have the bears and then you have the cubs. I do love Chicago pizza. Okay, I rest my case. Chicago pizza. Hot dog.

Chicago pizza is good. All right, I'm gonna go Houston Texans. Also we're taking- But you're not gonna explain why? They were in the playoffs last year. They have a really great quarterback. There's some people's niche Super Bowl pick. And so the Bears, again, they won last week,

but they didn't actually play that well. So I'm going to go... Is it CJ Strode? CJ Strode. Also, 22. Oh, yeah. Got some babies. 22 against 22.

Yeah, 22. Very Taylor Swift-coded. Very Taylor Swift-coded. Oh, yeah. Got some babies. 22 against 22. Yeah, 22. Very Taylor Swift coded. Very Taylor Swift coded. Paul Piero. Wow. Anyways, we are taking my dad to the Packer game this Sunday at Lambeau Field. If you guys, anyone in the household who goes to the Packer game and you run into us, say hi.

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The color scheme is great. We're very happy to have you. Life's been a bit of a whirlwind for you. Yeah, it's been a lot. There's been a lot going on, for sure. Usually I ask my guests, how's their heart? And it's just like, whatever, kind of a throwaway, but I feel like it's really appropriate in this moment. Like can you let the audience know so we're recording this

Wednesday and I'm sure we'll get to the devin of it all But you you have been traveling you're on Dancy with the Stars. The finale was last week. You've been in Boston rallying the rallying the troops rallying the troops at the bars You've been through a lot. You've been through a lot. You've been through a lot. So like how is, Jen, your heart? I truthfully don't know how my heart is yet.

I haven't had a second to myself to really like process everything. It's only been a week since the finale. There's been a lot going on. I've been kind of just focusing on myself, focusing on Dancing in the Stars, focusing on having fun and putting energy back into myself. But truthfully, like, there is a lot going on in the back of my mind and I'm still trying to process it all and I'm still trying to just heal from it. And I feel like every second I'm getting there, I'm getting a little bit better, there's

something else that comes out and I'm like, I'm just like, that breaks it all over again. But I mean, healing is not a linear journey and there's just gonna be like a couple ups and downs. But I've been through heartbreak before, maybe not in the public eye, but I know that like I will be okay at the end of the day. But yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna lie into here though and say that I'm like 110% okay, I'm not.

And I think it's okay to also admit that. Absolutely, yeah. For sure, like we it's okay to also admit that. Absolutely. Yeah. For sure, like we love a mid healing queen. We do, absolutely. Mid healing queen. Yeah, so it's been a lot, yeah. It seems like you're able despite, you know, and good for you, able to enjoy this moment

because I mean, you also, despite the heartbreak, have some really exciting things going on. I mean, we never like to see, you also, despite the heartbreak, have some really exciting things going on. I mean, we never like to see anyone heartbroken, but in Bachelor World, it seems like Bachelor Nation has really rallied behind you and really supporting you and really very Team Gen right now. So that must feel, not that they weren't before, but just that there's a clear energy out there right now

of support for you. And that must feel good and exciting. And, you know, I imagine you're seeing that out in public. I see it everywhere online and public. And it has been really, really amazing to have such support from people that I don't even know. It's definitely not a feeling that I've known before. So it's been really, really nice. And, yeah, I don't know.

I think with things like that though, like I'm always so weary of the internet and everything. It's just like, they can be so behind you in the next moment they're not and things like that. So I try to just stay grounded as possible and like I'm grateful for the support now. And I'm just like happy, happy to be here, happy to have it. Happy to be living.

Happy to be living, happy to have it, happy to be living. I don't know. Happy to be living. Hell yeah. Do you want it, should we just get into the Devon of it all then? I mean, isn't that everybody's questions these days? All right, so like Elephant in the Room, yesterday Devon posted, I don't understand why. I didn't know you could post more than 10 minute videos

on Instagram, so I think he maybe did us all a favor learning the long form. But all jokes aside, for whatever reason, this seemed to be the way he decided to share his truth, as he says, have you seen the video? I have not seen the video and I don't plan on it. Okay, we love that. Yeah, I mean, it's just, I know what happens.

I don't need to watch a 13 minute video on it and he's wasted already six months of my life. I'm not gonna give him another second, let alone 13 minutes. I'm all set. Good for you. Yes, yes. That being said, he obviously feels a certain way. I mean, I guess when was the last time you talked to Devin

and is there a chance that maybe you guys could mend the fences? Because for whatever reason, he seems upset or he feels like his POV, you know, isn't understood. Do you in any way feel like there's things out there that he would like to be out there? Or, you know, why do you feel like he's chosen to go about it this way? You know, given that he was a guy that you, you know, were engaged to for a while. I have no idea why somebody would do this, let alone somebody that I was a guy that you were engaged to for a while. I have no idea why somebody would do this, let alone somebody that I was engaged to

would release private texts between us two. When you get engaged to somebody, when you're dating somebody, your first thought is never, oh my gosh, these texts might actually be blasted for the whole world to see. Like that is such an invasion of privacy. So when I heard about this, I

had so many friends and family texting me calling me about this, I truthfully felt so betrayed, so just disrespected and honestly just upset and disappointed. Like I don't have a problem with him going out there and saying what he needs to say, but I have a problem with him invading my privacy and releasing texts without telling me, without just giving me notice. And also just like some of the things he conveniently blurred out certain things but forgot to blur out other things that were very, very private. It's like, my mom's on the internet, dude.

Like what's up with that? It's just, it was disrespectful and I don't appreciate it at all. In regards to what he has to say, like he's allowed to have a side to the story. He was a part of this relationship too. He has all the rights to say whatever he wants to say. And I'll say it, he had time at AFR to say it. And I don't know about you guys, but I didn't hear very much of anything. So he had time to share his piece.

If he thinks that he wants to share more, he's more than welcome to do that. What I don't condone is invading my privacy and going out there and doing that. So that seems fair. That does seem very fair. Yeah. So you're really just more, you know, obviously the way he's gone about it, the messages. It just seems like you've had so much time now to think of your story and your plan, but it's like at AFR, you were quite quiet. Yeah, exactly. Do you know why Devin, or can you guess? There was that hot mic moment where Devin was like, what's going on here?

He seemed confused. I will say, having been a part of AFR, it is live. It's very short. It's very pressure packed. If he, you know, things don't go always the way people imagine, so that can happen. Like, but from your standpoint, why do you think he said that?

I honestly have no idea why he said that. I have no idea why he thought it would, I don't know where he thought it was gonna go. I have no idea his mindset that week because he, truthfully, we hadn't been talking that week and the week before that, I got some very mean messages from him and we just like were not on good terms because I had asked to talk to him without

the cameras and he had agreed and then suddenly ghosted me and suddenly was not on the same page as me. And I wanted to have that conversation off camera so he knew how anxious I was going to be going there. Like that's not okay to for the first time be seeing your ex-fiance on a stage and he denied me of that right to have a conversation with him before that. And so I don't know what he thought was gonna happen. Like I was I was on a roller coaster of emotions of course. Like I was I didn't know what to expect. Yeah I don't know why he said what was going on here. What did he think

was gonna happen? Was I just gonna shake his hand and say okay have a good day? Like nice knowing you. Nice being engaged. That makes a lot of sense coming from you adding that context because like, regardless of whatever Devin's timeline is, like even if he thought you two had some sort of understanding, right?

Like you said, you hadn't spoke with at least a week or two information's coming in. You have no idea what's going on. You didn't expect him to break up with you. As everyone in your shoes would, you start asking a million questions. How did this happen? How could this happen?

Is there someone else? Yada, yada. You start getting messages or reports of another people, arms around people. Whether Devin did it before or after he broke up, what did he expect? It's just like, clearly if nothing else, he was incredibly sloppy and incredibly inconsiderate of how

information could get back to you and how you might feel about it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else he expected, but that, you know, thanks for providing that context because it makes a lot of sense because I wouldn't want anyone to think that like, he's somehow suggesting that you guys were on some same page. And even if you had talked a couple weeks before, like so what? Like clearly when someone breaks up with you, your information comes in,

you don't know what to think left or right, and like he decided to operate in a way that was, that raised a ton of questions, regardless of what the timeline exactly is or not. Here's the thing, like the information about this other girl in New York, the pictures, whatever, that didn't even come out until after AFR. So it's like, I wanted to put it in the past at AFR. I'm like, this is it.

I just want to be done. And then it's like, every day something is popping up. The pictures with the girl, people DMing me, he's making out with this person on this date, and he's flying to the airport with this girl on this date, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now he's releasing text messages. Like, I just, at this point, I want to be done, and I want to put this in the past,

and I'm trying, like, this is the last time I'm talking about this, because this is not what I want. I don't need this breakup to be drawn out for six months. I'm done with it, and I'm ready to move on. And at this point in my life, the way that he has been behaving and releasing our texts and whatever else that he's doing shows to me that this is not the kind of person that I would ever want

to spend the rest of my life with anyways. And so I'm ready to move forward with that and know that I'm at the right place in my life right now. And so I'm ready to move forward with that and know that I'm at the right place in my life right now. And everything truly happened for a reason. Like it was a blessing in disguise when it happened and I'm grateful for it despite all of this mess. Well, PSA then to anyone listening, do not DM Jen or message Jen or go on her page or give her the 411 and anything D related.

She's not interested. She's moving on. With Jonathan. What? What? What's going on there? No, no, she stayed in there just friends. I did hear he was here the other day.

He was. Are you in love? No, yeah. Am I in love? No, no. No, I'm just kidding. I love Jonathan. Am I in love with Jonathan?

No. Well, he said he would be sitting front Jonathan. Am I in love with Jonathan? No. Well, he said he would be sitting front row dancing with the stars if you do invite him. Yeah, are you gonna invite him? We've had some chats about it. He will be coming, yes, as a very good friend of mine. No, I mean, Jonathan is so great and so amazing and such a good person.

And like, here's the thing, I didn't get a fiance out of this, but I'm so happy that I got a really good friend out of us and a good human being. Like he is just so good. And unfortunately right now I'm just not at the place in my heart and in my life to be dating somebody to even be thinking about possibly investing myself into anybody, let alone Jonathan, but I'm happy to have him as a friend for now. And like, we'll see where that goes. I mean, yeah, I don't know, for now I just enjoy his company

and I think we're on the same page with that, yeah. No, I respect that. I always hate it as like a former lead people telling me who they think we should date. That being said, like Jonathan took our breath away. He was, he was hot. Aw. Like, Sierra, I...

Seven year relationship, but I was like, oh my god, this guy. Amazing. Yeah. So charismatic. I said, I need to calm down. You know what? Relax.

Not your type. That's fine. You know? I mean, I... What are we looking for? He's got two months here. Yeah. I don't know what could happen.

I mean, I never said he's not my type. Like, he's a great looking guy. I mean, if he was, I mean, I don't know. He made out a couple times. You know? Listen, plenty of people have gone bad. I don't know, I'm not even gonna. How is it?

How is it? Yeah, do you? Been there, done that? Gosh. No, he's great. We'll see. We'll see. You've got time.

Have the DMs been open? Have you been asked on any dates? Have you at least, you have been. Okay, anything of interest, anything you're pondering? No, I can't, I truthfully can't. Like I think of the hottest man alive, like if Jason Tatum, my celebrity crush, came up to me and asked me to go on a date,

like I don't think I can say yes yet because it would be messy, but if you wanted to go on a friend date, like I would. How messy would it be? I mean, you're just getting a cup of coffee, like you don't have to go on any basis. I'm at a place where I think I'm gonna have a little bit of trust issues for a while

just to be like transparent here. Like the text being released, me not really knowing who this person was. Like it's like, I need some time to kind of get over that and then like trust people again, because that's, yeah, that was a serious invasion of my privacy. That's hard to get over. I also think you're on a whirlwind right now

with everything going on that I'm like, you should be focusing on yourself and healing and feeling good about that and that have somebody meet you where you're at versus trying to force having feelings for someone. Exactly, exactly. But that's not to say Jason Tatum can't slide into my. Right.

The DMs are open for Jason. DMs are open for Jason Tatum. I'm very confused. I'm confused. You're confused, I'm confused. How's Dancing with the Stars going? Oh my gosh, it's going so well. It's going really well.

See, I don't want to brag, but I think I pick up things really, really well. Like I pick up things easily and I think I'm good at that, but we've got some work to do. We've only had three rehearsals and we're a little bit behind. But Sasha's been great and I mean, everything's been so great. The only thing with dancing is like it's so intimate and it's all about that chemistry.

And for me, I'm just like not an outwardly like sexy person. Like, I don't know. So we were working on my- You were struggling. Yeah, I'm struggling. We were working on my hips and moving my butt. And I'm like, I just, I can't do this without tequila shots in a very, very dark room. No.

No. Company look. You're like, I need a DJ in the corner. I need it to be pitch black with a few strobe lights. Yes, yes. Well, maybe this is a get out of your comfort zone moment for you. It totally is, it totally is.

And I hope that it works well and I don't look like a five year old boy, just like, I don't know. For the first time ever, I believe that we have a bachelor and a bachelorette, you were on Joey's season. Are you aware of Joey's dance moves and if they're any good?

I don't know, I haven't snuck into one of his practices yet, but I'm gonna have to eye out the competition. Are you in any way nervous? Is there a competition there? Bachelorettes have an amazing track record. Bachelors, eh, they're kind of mid, they kind of go halfway, never really go that far. How are you feeling about that?

Are good, clean, fun? Are we competitive with Joey or? I'm competitive, but good, clean, fun, competitive for sure. Like, I mean, there's pressure. You're not gonna like Tonya Harding it or anything like that? Oh no.

Am I gonna what? Tonya Harding? The ice skater that hit the other contestant with the hockey, was it a hockey stick? I was actually on Dancing with the Stars with Nancy Kerrigan. Absolutely delightful woman. Just a gem of a person, really enjoyed my time. She got in trouble.

Oh, no, I won't be doing that. God, no, no, no, no. I'm so competitive by nature. And I mean, it's already a lot of pressure being a bachelor on the dance. Like I know they do well on Dancing with the Stars, but then there's also my ex Joey on the show. So I'm like, I have to do better than him. But it's all in good fun.

Obviously, like Joey and I are very great friends now and Kelsey too. Like we all went to dinner the other night. Like we're good and they know it's going to be all good fun. So yeah. Do you consider yourself a dancer? Do I consider myself a dancer? Because you said in the clubs. I'm like a funny dancer.

Like I'm not like a, oh my gosh, I'm so sexy. Look at my boobs. I'm like a, look at me like fist pumping in the club. That could be a nice salsa moment. Yeah. Hell yeah. Mix in a fist bump. Yeah.

Maybe we can get up the, you know, amp up the crowd of dancing. Yeah, perfect. Yeah. Oh my gosh, Carl, watch me dance. Do you know, are you able to tell us, oh, well, we're absolutely, now he's never been to Dancing with the Stars. I've already, I've already texted Dina.

You did, perfect. I think October, fuck I think, who? Second, I think we're shooting for October 2nd. Hell yeah, if I make it that far, we'll see. He'll be there. You will make it that far. It's like week three, Jen. You'll make it that far.

I'm trying to just submit. You're keeping it that far. It's like week three, Jen. You'll make it that far. You can toast through some of it. You're keeping your expectations low. Yes, expectations low. It's funny because when I was on Joey season, it's like, oh, you can go home at any time. And then I was on the batch fret and I was like, I've got this, it's fine. And then now it's like, oh, I can go home at any time again.

And that feeling is like, it's a scary feeling. But yeah, do you have any tips, Nick? I do, and I doubt you need this, but my only tip is, is someone who wanted to do well, because I just, I thought it was a really cool experience, I'm competitive, I really wanted to learn. I wish I just cared way more about having fun and being goofy, and certainly I wish,

I mean, I would have always wanted to try my best, but I would have not given a fuck about whether I messed up or not. Like you're not a professional dancer. And I learned that after, cause after I got eliminated, and this will happen, you'll go far enough that, if you don't win, and you could definitely,

I could see you winning. But if you don't win, if you go far enough, they'll bring you back, kind of do your favorite dance because they only have like two or three dancers left so they have to fill the airtime. So I got to do that and by then I didn't care. And it was just like, I did my absolute best. I actually enjoyed it.

I didn't give a fuck. So like if I could do it again, I just, I wouldn't care about my score. I wouldn't care about any of that. I wouldn't care about screwing up. I would just like have fun Yeah, so that's funny. That's been the advice of most people that I've asked actually is to have fun Which I'm like, oh, I don't know if I can do that. Like everyone tells you that but so much pressure to have fun No, that's what I'm saying People say the throwaway but it's more it's not it's less about you know, people tell you have fun

How do you have fun? But you can just not give a shit you can just be like Like you can't you know don't stress yourself out like whatever it's not a big deal if you look like you're having fun I think who? He's the radio disc jockey. He's like now on American Idol Bobby Bones Bones he was a self-proclaimed terrible dancer. Like he'd literally just walked across the dance floor, but he won, he crushed because like he was out there just living his best fucking life. Oh wow.

And that's why he won. Okay, I love that. He was out there just like standing and throwing an arm out, but he was just like, I'm Bobby and I couldn't be more grateful. Like honestly, and he had a great time. Okay, okay, I love that. That's giving me so much confidence though.

All right, excited. One thing I think we know Jen can do is have fun. So, that I can definitely do. Also, you jumped off a building, you could dance. Oh, God, yeah. I can't just say about that. Boston, what was that? I said channel Boston. Oh, channel that energy.

For some reason, every time I go back to Boston, like chaotic Jen just comes out. Like I'm like, these are my people. Are we done talking about Devin regardless or unless we're at or unless we're in Boston? We're done talking about Devin after today, but yeah. Boston was a movie. It was an absolute movie. What else do we have for Jen?

She's not dating. She's not in love, completely eliminated off the market unless... Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum? Jason Tatum. Oh, not Chan... Is he single? Not Channing. Jason Tatum?

I believe he's single, yes. Okay. Is that why you're in Boston? Oh my... No, no. I wish. I wish. She threw the first pitch. Oh, that's what happened. How'd you do? I wish I was through the first pitch. How'd you do? I didn't see the video.

Congrats. That's pretty cool. That's a really cool experience. Actually, I hit it right down. Like it was perfectly in. I definitely would not. I'd hit the dugout. I did that once in Little League. Well, here's the thing.

Before I went to do the pitch, I looked up on Tikt worst celebrity pitches, and it made myself feel a lot better because I'm like, I can't do worse than 50 Cent. I can't do worse than Carla Ray Jeffs. I can't do worse than the girl. Sorry, I'm calling those from the... I know, like these are the people who did really bad pitches. People just getting fucking blasted by January. Sorry guys, I'm sorry guys.

It's out there, it's out there. She's like, I didn't make the video, someone else did. Some girl threw the ball at a photographer. Oh no. I'm like, there's just no way I could do any worse. So I felt good about it, it was exciting. Did you practice at all? Were you like in your backyard?

No, I practiced like on the field, it's like five minutes before. I was like, yeah, give me the ball, let me see how this, I've never thrown a baseball before, I've never played baseball, but I mean, I'm athletic, so I was like, yeah, give me the ball. Let me, let me see how this I've never thrown a baseball before. I've never played baseball, but I mean, I'm athletic. So I was like, it'll be fine. Whatever. I feel like we can get Jason Tatum to reach out.

I feel like he's listening to this episode. Perfect. I did look it up and he's dating Ella Mai. Oh, I'm so sorry. Ella, I'm so sorry. And we are absolutely rooting for them. But you know, if anything. No, no, no.

You know, I'm, I'm switching my celebrity cross. Max Struce, if you're out there and you're single, I'm here, I'm ready. Who is Max Struce? Are these all athletes? She loves athletes. He's a basketball player. She knows her people.

I'm like looking at them like, who is this? Well, I really like basketball, so. Do you really think Sam M and Thomas were right about Devon or was it just dumb luck? The billion dollar question. No, they were absolutely right, I'll give that to them. But they were also not the best in their own way too. Maybe they saw something in themselves.

They're on their high horse right now being like, ha ha, we told y'all, we were right, ha ha. And it's like, well, you also still suck. So, sorry. I know. I mean, they're so excited or whatever. I'm like, great. I mean, Sam M sent me a DM actually the other day. So I said, thank you.

What'd he say? What'd he say? He said, hey, I saw what happened. Nobody deserves that. And he was like, sometimes people, you know, you think you know them and you don't. I mean, it was- He hit you with another movie line.

Sounds like a very nice message. It was a very nice message. I will give him that. And you know what? I'm happy that he has grown and learned from this and like can put our differences aside and still wish me support. And that makes me feel good

that somebody can have that part of their heart and still open. And yeah, so no, it was good. I appreciated it. Have you heard from any of the other guys on your season posts? My favorite part is how much they've been supporting me. Truthfully, Jonathan with his big Instagram posts,

truthfully brought tears to my eyes. I just, you know, you go through such an incredible journey and you wanna know that it meant something, that you impacted people. And for me, it was always about those conversations with each of these men is like how are we connecting as people and how can we have an impact on each other even if we don't end up together so to just know that he supports me to know that Spencer supports me Sam and support like all these people just coming out and DMing me really does mean a lot

because they've been an important part of my journey and I respect them so much and want to celebrate them too. So it was nice that they supported me. Yeah, yeah. And that's why I'm like, guys, everybody's like, oh, the casting. I'm like, no, they were actually really sweet. Yeah.

Good. Well, listen, you wouldn't be the first lead to just not have your person be casted on your season. Yeah, no, exactly, exactly. What are the chances anyways? So, yeah, it's tough. Yeah, but that's why they keep bringing back Jason Mesnick because most of us, they don't exactly,

they aren't cast in for love maybe. I don't know, maybe they are. Or maybe, maybe they're not good at it, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. Or maybe just love in general is hard to find. Maybe that's it, that's why we are so lucky. Aw, that's a hot take, yeah. How are you, what about the ladies from your season?

How have they been supporting you? Have you heard from any of the women? Yeah, I mean everybody in Bachelor Nation has been supportive, but also, yeah, the women on the season. Yeah, pretty much everybody has been messaging me, either on Instagram or texting me, calling me. So yeah, absolutely, everyone's been really, really supportive

and I couldn't be more grateful. And I'm happy I'm in LA now because now I get to hang out with some of them. Is there anybody that you're super close to? Kelsey and I have been getting drinks recently. I'm excited to hang out with Daisy Moore. We've had like a few phone calls just like catching up, which makes me really excited.

Who else? Star, you know, she lives in Florida. We've always been the best of friends. Taylor, just a lot of them. A lot of them have been so sweet, yeah. Feel to answer however you want to. I'm gonna ask the question. Maria obviously posted about everything and I was like, and she commented on the fact

that you guys, that she supports you, but you're not friends. Did something happen there or was this throughout your season or was this post your season? Like what caused the falling out, I guess? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I do want to say that when I mentioned her name on stage, I never meant to insinuate that there was anything going on between her and Devin. Like when I mentioned that, it was purely about Devin and nothing else. And yeah, I mean, I still support her from afar, regardless of whatever events have transpired since then. And that's between me and her. But at the end of the day, you know, people just grow apart and

that's that. But I still support her and she still supports me and I'm happy to know that we can do that. And if we see each other at an event, like I'm gonna hug her, we're gonna be great, we're gonna pick up right where we left off. Now you carry yourself so well, truly, like as a bachelorette and everything, I'm just like, I feel like post show,

you're just like handling everything with such grace. Thanks, I never realized how resilient I can be until all these punches are being thrown at me. And I'm like, okay, it's fine, we're gonna get through this. We're gonna cry it out and then we're gonna dance it out. Any Taylor Swift songs? I hope so. It's in the works, it's in the works.

I absolutely have to. If I get sent home before I get to dance with Taylor Swift, I will be severely upset. That will be worse than my breakup for sure. Oh no. When does episode one, when's night one drop? Next week, September 17th. Tune in.

And we're voting via text, social media. What's the easiest way to vote? You can vote on text. You can call five, I think you can call five times. You can text five times. You can email five times. So there's, I think those are the ways that you can vote is what I'm hearing.

My mom's also been asking, so I'm like, I don't know. Hell yeah, we gotta let people know. Yeah, yeah, I'm super stoked. The song that I'm dancing to, I can't say, but I have to say, very iconic for the moment that I'm in. And I will be surprised if I don't cry tears at the end of this dance because it's going to be so meaningful.

Can you give us a hint, like a one word hint? Can I give you a hint? Is it more word hint. Can I give you a hint? Is it more empowering than revenge-y? It's so empowering. Yeah, definitely way more empowered. No, it's not revenge-y, please. Because I don't have the energy for that. Revenge is the abs I'm gonna get

from all the planks that I'm gonna be doing. Well, like, Ariana came out with kind of her revenge dress night one. It was more, maybe revenge-y's the wrong word. Didn't she wear the dress that she wore? It was like a version of it. A version of it. And what she wore on finale.

Should I wear my engagement dress? A reunion. Oh, imagine. How epic, no that won't be happening. That was weird. All right Jen, well thank you for coming back. We really appreciate you shedding some light on everything, all the crazy going on in your life.

We wish you the absolute best luck this season on Dancing with the Stars and everyone vote for Judd. Thanks for having me guys. Max Truss is single by the way. Publicly, publicly. I love that. Thank you guys for listening. Don't forget to check out yesterday's episode

of Going Deeper with all the secret lives of Mormon wives plus we have Jonathan, he was on Reality Recap on Tuesday, very charming guy, and who knows, we just never know what might happen with these two kids. Maybe they're just in their trauma phase. You know, maybe they're just experiencing the force of the trees.

I did ask him if he would say yes, if you were like, hey Jonathan, would love to take you to John and Vinny's on Wednesday. And he was like, I would say yes. So maybe just go get good food with Fred. We might, we've already been to sushi together. He was a gentleman, he opened my car door for me. He paid for a suit.

He was great, he's been great. Call some paparazzi. No, if that door ever opens, I would want to make sure that I'm at a right place and he's at a right place. But for now, really good friends. I mean, you don't need you guys fighting if someone called a paparazzi, not like some housewives.

Do you watch housewives, Jen? I don't. What's your reality TV obsession? What's your guilty pleasure? I don't have one. I don't watch reality TV. You have no guilty pleasure? I used to watch Love Island a lot, and then I got old of it,

because it's six episodes of me. Minus even TV, just life in general. Like, what is... Oh, God. It can be scripted. Ius even TV, just life in general. Like what is... Oh God. It can be scripted. I mean, I love Grey's Anatomy. It's just like right up my alley with like the medical stuff. But yeah, I'm not a real...

I am a real... I'm starting to get into reality TV because I met Crystal Minkoff and she's been amazing. And I need to watch her. Love Crystal. I need to watch the Housewives. Yeah, she's great. All right, Jen, we wish you absolutely the best.

Everyone vote for Jen. All right, we'll we wish you absolutely the best. Everyone vote for Jen. All right, we'll see you back on Monday. Bye. Bye. Bye.