The Viall Files - E810 - The Golden Bachelorette Cast, VMAs, RHOC, Selling Sunsets, and Mosquito Airlines

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exhilarating episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. Oh dear God. He's back. Lake Nick is back. You might know him as Nick. We had a glorious weekend, if you must know. It was my father's birthday on Sunday and being the good son that I am

and the good daughter-in-law that now he is, we took my father to the Packer game. How was that? It was lovely. They won in victorious fashion. I saw that. With their backup quarterback. Justin. Shout out to Malik Willis.

Justin. He's keeping up. Redeeming himself, for sure. I think you guys went 0-2. No we did not. We picked the Bears. The Bears won. Bears lost. Ravens lost. I believe you picked the Ravens who also lost to the Raiders which wasn't upset. I also lost. I picked the Ravens but I did win against the Texans so I went 1-1. Youand-two. Sorry, household. Listen, it'll happen. It's a long season. I mean, that's the beauty of the NFL, but like, it's okay.

Yeah, listen, it happens. The Ravens should have won, but in upsetting fashion, the Raiders of Las Vegas triumphed. Yeah, bummer. I finally understand sports. The game was so fun. We were sitting in absolute gorgeous seats. Thank you to the Green Bay Packers,

who allowed us the opportunity to purchase, which is a gift. Those are hard tickets to come by. Yeah, absolutely. But I was going to say we were sitting beside in our gorgeous seats. Also in the heat, it was direct sunlight and boy, was it hot. Second hottest day in Lambeau Field history. How hot was it? Well, it was like a 88 degrees,

but like in a stadium with the sun beating down, it kind of, it holds onto heat. So like a lot of times, like let's, I'm guessing you could probably Google this Zach. There's an on-field temperature, which is usually several degrees hotter than the outside weather or heat or temperature. I searched it. I can't find that.

Not available. Oh my gosh. Anyways, it was a very fun game and I believe we are good luck charms now and we must go to every game. We've had the most delicious weather here at the lake. It has been so warm, so hot, so sunny, so calm. The lake has been glass. It's really just been... and there's been no one else here. So it's literally like we we have our own So good, yeah, did y'all see Jillian she posted a clip of Nick talking about who was it some like actor or something and you're like he must have made Jillian's and I was like

Jillian it was the funniest video. I think I've ever seen myself. And I saw that your reaction to it. Yes. When you all edit that stuff, are you like because it felt like it was like zoomed in. I don't know if she did that or if you all did that. She did that. You know, maybe we should hire. Maybe we should. Jillian, Jillian's she's got Gillian's.

Anyways, that was funny. Shout out to Jillian. Shout out to Jillian. Jillian's. She's got Jillian's. Anyways, that was funny. Shout out to Jillian. Shout out to Jillian. I just wanted to point that out that that was funny. It was hilarious. Thank you, I know. I also really do enjoy calling, this is such a transition.

I enjoy calling Nick daddy. Whoa, not in that way. Oh, whoa, whoa. But like in the way of like, now that I have a daughter. I was like, wait a minute. What about not the other way? No, well, no. God no, God no, God no. Yikes.

No, but like being like me and River being together and being like, look, where's daddy? And then we're like, daddy. And we're like calling for you, but it's really just me. It's not her, she can't speak yet, but it's so, it feels so like. Awesome. It does.

It's like, is daddy gonna come home today? Oh. Oh my God. Wait a minute. What? You really gotta say it perfectly. Otherwise, it just. It feels weird.

You're right. I don't know. You get what I mean though, don't you? I feel like mothers out there who have their baby daddies involved and they're like, you know, there's something nice and sweet and cute about being like, I'm not gonna give another example

because I'll probably fuck that up too. I do love being a dad. That's great, honey. Yeah. Oh, she's making a little noise right now. He said, hello, I like my parents too. Do you call Natalie mommy to River? Yeah. I was like, let's go find mommy. Yeah you call Natalie mommy? To River? Yeah.

Yeah. Let's go find mommy. Yeah. Mom, let's go find mom, mama, mama. I say mama more than mommy. Cause I feel like I'm trying to get her to say mama. Yeah. Say mama.

I'm coaching her up. Her mama. Big mama. Big mama. Big mama. Big mama. This bitch. I love that movie.

Has anyone watched Perfect Couple? Yes, I just finished it this weekend. Has anyone watched Perfect Couple? Yes, I just finished it this weekend. Has anyone watched Chimp Crazy? I had to stop after I saw Scalp on the Ground. Yeah, that was a little much for me. I'll come back to it. It is hardcore. Nellie's been putting it on as the-

I'm finished with it, actually. You finished it? Yeah. Without you. Okay. I was gonna say she's been putting it on as a late night snack, if you will. And I've been.

Brrrrr. Yeah. Couldn't have been sleeping harder through Chimp Crazy. Even through all the screeching and banging that the chimpanzees do. Nick is just like. La da da da. So wait, did she.

Did she. Spoiler alert. You can't, you can't give that, that's a huge thing to say. I feel like we should believe that. It's been out for a while. It has been out for a while, but I don't think a lot of people are on the train.

Don't you feel like everyone was obsessed with Tiger King? Like that was like a worldwide, like massive fucking show. I honestly feel like that's the first person to watch it. We were also locked in for COVID, so I think we didn't have a choice. That's true. But it was a phenomenon. It literally came out right in the beginning of COVID.

People are like, I can go to the grocery store now. I don't need to watch Tim Crazy. I honestly was like, I was on Netflix when it came out and I was like, Tiger King, what's this? It was late at night and I just pressed play and I felt like I was the first person to binge it. Also, do you remember Don't Fuck With Cats? Yes.

That was wild. That one made me scared to post anything on Instagram because I was like, they can find anything from a street corner. Oh my God. Truly. Wow, that is crazy. Who else had a crazy weekend?

I heard Justin was digging through trash. I was digging through trash. So there's this thing that happens, I don't know if you guys know about it, but Sierra is from Palos Verdes, is that how you pronounce it? Palos Verdes, yes. And Friday I saw this video, Go Viral, where it's, but Sierra is from Palos Verdes, is how you pronounce it. Palos Verdes, yes. And Friday I saw this video go viral

where it's like twice a year in Palos Verdes, they have like a city-wide trash day and all of like the rich people, which to my knowledge, Palos Verdes is like a Bel Air of like the South Bay or whatever you wanna call it. And they put all of their furniture or stuff that they don't want, like rugs, mirrors, bikes, chairs, tables,

like anything you could think of. Just throw it on the side of the curb. And it's like people drive to Palos Verdes and drive around from like 5 p.m. to midnight just digging through trash. And like you'll see like cars on cars filled with like trucks or truck beds. What are they called, like the back of a car?

So it's not, it's less of a, it's less trash. It's more like a highly organized thrifting. Rummage sale. Kind of, yeah. Without, you know, it's more like a highly organized thrifting rum and sale. Kind of, yeah. With how it, you know, that's just like open. But some of it is trash. Like you'll be like next to one mansion and it's like they have gorgeous Victorian furniture

on their curb and then the next mansion will have like literal trash, like bags of dirt that you can grab. Do you think that maybe it's just like, it's trash day and so some houses are actually putting their cans out. They take it seriously. There's that, it's bulk, it's like bulk removal day. So it's like anything that you have that are like, that's oversized, they clear it out.

So people go and rummage and find. I was digging through trash. Did you get anything? Honestly, no. I grabbed a toilet paper holder, which is random, but it was a nice one. And I was like, you know what? I don't have one.

I'll grab a Momentum and it was that, Mement random, but it was a nice one. And I was like, you know what? I don't have one. I'll grab a momentum. And it was that, memento. To remember the trash digging days. There was some good stuff though. You would see people like driving around with like full on like armoires or like, what is the things that heat up the patios? Heat lamps?

Heat lamps. Like there was gorgeous like so. Really? Yeah. That people were just throwing away and you could just grab it. Wow. How do you know if it's broken or not? You don't.

Imagine you're like, I'm getting all the heat lamps and you take them all home and none of them work. Yeah. But pretty good. Pretty fun. I watched TV this weekend. So yeah, I didn't even brunch. I was like, oh, I thought you asked for exciting things done this weekend.

Not me. Wait, you watched the VMAs though. I did watch the VMAs. What about the others? Did anything crazy happen? You asked for exciting things done this weekend, not me. Wait, you watched the VMAs though. I did watch the VMAs. What about the others? Did anything crazy happen? I actually really enjoyed it, so I think that was pretty crazy.

It's the first award show in a long time that I was like, oh my God, excited about the musical performances, excited about the appearances. And my boyfriend enlightened me that the reason why I was so excited about it was because there's also like 2003 drama like Britney Spears and Christina and Justin it was like the Sabrina and Camila and

Shawn Mendes and it's like they're all here like there's so much drama I was living for. Are they going through drama? Are they hating each other? Honey. Well Sabrina's got a song about Shawn and a song about Camila, sorry. She's gonna kill me. The queen. And then Camila has a song about Sean and Sabrina. I will say Camila, the three of them sing a song,

but Camila, she sing about growth. Well, she opened up with her song about Sean. She sang five seconds about Sean and then she moved on after that. And I was like, okay. Do we know that it absolutely is about them or are we as fans? Speculating.

Assuming and speculating. I mean, she hasn't come out and been like, this is about Camila, but it is like very obvious. It's like the Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter. Like it's just like the songs very clearly are, she says every time you kiss him, you'll be tasting me or something like that. Like, yeah. Oh my God, who wrote that?

Sabrina. Sabrina. Sabrina did the even. Sacillated. Sabrina pop.ie. Sacrilegious. That's what I'm saying. I will say we do know with this drama that this Camila album was about Sean because Sean never liked the ocean when they were together. So then Camila's like,

okay, the second we broke up, I'm writing an album about Miami and the ocean. And then Sean. What do you mean Sean didn't like the ocean? She would always say, let's go to the ocean, let's go swim. And he was like, no, I don't like that. But then the second they broke up, he went to the ocean. He was go swim and he was like no I don't like that, but then the second they broke up he went to the ocean

He's at the beach and then his now his album is about being like from the earth and like the nature and forest So I feel like just because Sean didn't want to like it one particular day go running Into the beach doesn't mean he hates the ocean One day he was like, I don't know Maybe I don't want to fuck with sand. And maybe it was a little cold out. You know, one of those mornings, not speaking from experience, because Nellie would never do this,

but sometimes when you're dating someone for no reason whatsoever, they're like, let's do something fun today. I don't even know what. Nellie would never. And then maybe it was something like that. And then she was like, let's just, I don't know, let's just go run in the ocean. It was like 55 degrees out and it was freezing and he didn't want to go. And then now all of a sudden he's just like, he hates the ocean. And he was like, just one day, you don't want to go.

Well, he's in his hillbilly era. So yeah, he's in his man. No, nothing. No. I mean, you just absolutely came from my throat on that one. So I will be sitting quiet. I said, I literally said you've never done that. We all know that I have the way she was looking at quiet. I said, I literally said you've never done this. But we all know that I have.

The way she was looking at you, I was scared for you. You just told a story on Ask Nick where you were like, Natalie's like, let's get the Halloween decor. That wasn't fun. Exactly, it's never fun for the other person. It's always fun for the person asking to do it. It's me being like, let's paint the bedroom today. I had a dream last night, it's a recurring dream,

that Natalie Broga with me and I cried. Aw, in your sleep? But he never wakes me up and like, honey, I'm crying. I would love to see the tears, but he's just always like, yeah, I cried last night and I'm like, okay. I'd love to be like, I'll never leave you. I'd love to be like, I'll never leave you. You know, I'd love to have that moment. I guess I'll try to work through my trauma

in the middle of the night and wake you up. And Natalie, let's be honest though, if you're sleeping sound and he wakes you up saying, I had a dream you woke up with me and I'm crying, are you happy about this? She'd be like, ew, ick. Yeah, shut the fuck up, go back to bed. I feel like he's done it before

where he's been tossing and turning it I'm like, what's wrong? Like are you okay? He's like no And I'm like, oh just come there let's snuggle because I love you don't never leave you And that's how you change the conversation Well That's how you change the conversation. Well, also on the VMAs, red carpet, we were talking about this earlier. So did you see the video of Chappell Rhone basically telling paparazzis to shut the fuck up?

I did. I feel like she's really been popping off lately. She has. I love it. Yeah, I mean, she's been really popular. So like in this context, the video was her on the red carpet and you hear paparazzi say, shut the fuck up. Or sorry, you hear the paparazzi say, shut the F up. Or sorry, you hear the paparazzi say, shut the F up. And then you hear Chappell respond going,

you shut the F up, not me. You're not cussing now? What's going on, Justin? We're trying to, the moms of the listeners are saying we shouldn't cuss. But then what now, people are saying that like. Your moms are listening and they're saying you don't cuss too much.

The moms of our listeners. Really, they're saying it's too much cussing. There's too much fucking cussing. I see that as fucking. I kinda censored myself. There's too much cussing. I see that as f***ing. There's too much f-words, really? Yeah. The moms?

Yeah. Yeah. They're saying they can't listen around their kids because we're saying too many f-bombs. Oh. Okay. Well, Chappell is, she's dropping the f-bombs on the red carpet. So are we.

Well, we're dropping the f-bombs completely. We're dropping f-bombs about dropping up. We're not saying anymore Let's try not to this whole episode Hold us accountable. I think still okay. I don't know about that one That's weird anyways, so People are getting mad at her cuz they're obviously we know she's fresh like in the entertainment or the mainstream like popularity of the entertainment industry

So like people are like oh, she's overreacting by saying, F you to the paparazzis that are giving her the fame, versus some people are like, she's respecting herself enough to be like, this is me, don't talk to me this way, even though I am a celebrity. So it's like this whole online debate right now. Were they telling her to shut the F up, or were they telling everyone around them?

Apparently not, yeah, apparently she just heard, right? I think some on the internet are speculating that the person who said shut the fuck up wasn't speaking. F. Oh, excuse me. Let's rewind. Apparently it wasn't a chapel

who this paparazzi was saying shut the f up to. Okay. It was someone else, like another paparazzi. They were trying to say, hey, let's- They get nasty to each other. I've seen that before. They do, they will yell at each other. They don't yell at celebrities, but Chappell,

I guess thought it was for some reason in her moment of being idolized by everyone that a paparazzi would told her to shut the F up. Is that what she thought? She was standing on the step in repeat, like getting ready for her photos or whatnot. And then all of that happened. So I'm like, of course she's going to think it's directed at her. Yeah, I was about to say, I probably would think it was also directed at me.

If I'm standing in front of all these people and I hear someone say, shut the f*** up, and she's talking to somebody. I don't know, maybe it's not talking. Was she talking? Yeah, she was talking to people that were like, I don't know. I believe she also just had like a stalker situation too. So it's like, she's at the high end of like, She's sensitive.

People just like bombarding her and like yelling and talking to her. Apparently a fan went up to her and like kissed her on the mouth. Oh my God. Yeah, where I'm just like, it's, it's, there's, there's boundaries. And then it's just like, in what world?

And like somebody just like, oh, I love you so much. And like kissed her and then stalked her father, I believe. Yeah, so it's like, they're getting a little wild. So I think she's completely warranted in being like, hands off, back off. I wonder if people are gonna listen to her or if they're just gonna continue to disrespect. Yeah, right?

I don't know. They don't. I mean, yeah, her life's a little hectic right now. So God forbid she reacts in a way that she might have to say, she's a, yeah, her life's a little hectic right now. So God forbid she reacts in a way that she might have to say, oops, sorry, I didn't realize that you weren't talking about me. Also respect, like she's speaking for the paparazzi. If the paparazzi was telling someone else

to shut the F up, she's saying peace. She's also, she's giving it up for sure. Yeah. Absolutely. She's a queen. On the other side of the VMAs, I don't know if you saw, but Katy Perry performed and Jack Antonoff was wearing earbuds and his ears during the performance. People clocked that and they basically on the internet started saying like, oh, he's shading Katy Perry.

He's saying he doesn't like her music by wearing earbuds and like tuning out her music. He responded. He released a public apology, which I respect the way he did it. And he said, I would like to tell you directly from me that I did in fact use earplugs the other night. They were Blue Heroes brand and I'm mortified to admit that I've been using them for a long time as well as buying them in bulk. I do not only use them in 100 plus dB environments, it's humiliating to admit that I use them on planes, around construction, and every night while sleeping.

There is nothing left to do but apologize and thank those who have covered this story because although I'm an embarrassment to my family and I, I do believe that this was very important and pressing issue that needed to be exposed. Obviously this is a joke, but it's like, people took it so seriously that he was wearing earplugs that he was like, y'all, I gotta apologize now? Yeah.

Wow, what a great response though, right? I mean, music fans just love, love a feud. They love to manifest a feud. Now, Sierra, you have some friends who are celebrities. You are tapped in to Hollywood. She's a celebrity herself. So I'm asking you because I feel like you amongst the household would know.

Not you pointing me as an industry planet. But if you don't know, you don't know. But like, I think in general in pop culture, we love a feud. In the reality TV space, we love to, also I think fans love to discuss or speculate on a feud. Absolutely. I think in the reality TV space,

I think they may not be always right about said feud, but they're certainly right about a lot of the fact that there are, it's a very petty world. There are a lot of petty fights or feuds going on in reality TV world. My question to you is, does that also happen? Or do you know of any musicians or people who are actually feuding?

Or is it just more fans really speculating, maybe there's a feud 10 years ago, but at the end of the day, these people really aren't hating each other as much as fans like to believe, or is it a little true? And there is a lot of smoke where there is fire, and maybe fans don't have it always right, but there is definitely stuff going on.

I think typically, there's always a little, where there's smoke, there's fire, there's a little bit of truth to things, but I feel like most of the times, by the time the people that are involved have already moved on is when mainstream picks it up. So it's like they perpetuate a feud that might have been sensitive to them months ago,

and then they just go, okay, I guess I'll monetize off of it, because it's not affecting them. I'm like, Sabrina, like, you know what I mean? Any drama that happens between celebrities, and like they don't wanna make their focus about somebody else. I mean, it's just like the Selena and Hailey. It's like people still saying they hate each other

and there's this massive feud and they've come out so many times and been like, we're good, we're good. We're not gonna be best friends. But it seems like celebrities now, like you were saying, or just earlier, Sabrina. Yeah. Like they put it in their music,

which takes time to produce and takes time to come out. So by the time the song comes out, without them directly saying it in their music, which takes time to produce and takes time to come out. So by the time the song comes out, without them directly saying it's about this, they are suggestive? Are podcasts the, like for reality TV stars, what songs are for musicians? Yeah, maybe. Cause I was gonna say,

if they're like real artists that write their own music and whatnot, then I'm always like, I think it's supposed to be a cathartic healing Process for them to like get out these emotions and make a bop out of it in the process But I'm like Sabrina is a good example though because like with the driver license Olivia Rodrigo few that went on like years ago By the time Olivia released the song Sabrina and Joshua Bassett were not together Yeah, they already broken up and it was like Olivia wrote the song about Sabrina, so Sabrina was like, well, the internet hates me now, so it's like, I'm already over this man,

but I might as well make a buck off of it and make an album. And retaliate, so she wrote a song back. And again, it's a great way to make money and it gets us involved in exactly what you said, the same way that the parasocial relationships of being involved in other people's drama, we live for it.

I think instead of reality TV stars doing podcasts social relationships of being involved in other people's drama, like we live for it. Or like, all right. I think instead of reality TV stars doing podcasts or writing tell-alls, they should be made to write romance novels with characters and then project their drama into these characters. Wow, that would take a long time. Maybe short stories? Short stories.

Well, remember the Housewives used to have blogs. They did, yeah. And that would cause a lot of drama as well because it'd be talking about an episode that was filmed and aired, what, three months ago, and then they would be talking about it as if it was real-time drama. You have a point though,

because some reality stars don't have podcasts or don't appear on podcasts, but they're friends with the blogs. So it's like they have their own form of like... Getting the tea out there. Projecting. Yeah, yeah. Get out there. Yeah, yeah. Well, the Traders won an Emmy or two.

Congratulations. I can't wait for the next season. Nellie, do you wanna have a family conversation right now? Sure. So Traders, some people have been like, hey Nick, you should do a Traders. And honestly, when it comes to reality TV opportunities, it seems like a pretty good time.

There's no love. Alright, spit it out, what's going on? With you being you and my wife, I would be more open to doing it now because you could handle my absence. Yeah, hop off. You'll do traders. Because before I was like,

I can't leave the show for three weeks. But now that the household's here. You mean me on the show handling it. Yes. Oh, I thought you meant me like single moming it. She said, wait a minute. Well, there's that too. That's a whole other conversation.

Oh, wow. But before, you were like, you should do it. Go. And I was like, we just had River. Yeah, hop off. OK. All right, anyways. Case closed.

Congratulations to Traders. I had an Emmy. Congratulations to traders, Nick, we'll go. Yeah. I don't know if I'll have the- Congratulations to Vilephiles, I will be your new host. I don't know if I'll have the opportunity, but if the opportunity were to present itself,

it's interesting to know that it is a little bit more doable this time around. Oh yeah. I think I'll just be voted off right away. No, no. I feel like. I wouldn't trust me. I feel like you would either be the traitor or you would be MJ'd and brought to the final round

and then they kick you off. And you're the one crying. I'm not a good, if I were a traitor I think they'd catch me pretty good, pretty easily. I think I'd have to put that up. Nick hasn't talked to anybody, it's suspicious. But you would also. And people are like, no, he is always like that.

But Nick would be the one asking all the questions. Like you'd be friends with everybody. There would need to be someone, yeah, there'd need to be someone there who knows you. Like there'd need to be like, Ben Higgins or someone there. I think I'll give it all. Well, guess we'll have a look at that.

Someone's manifesting. Yeah, for real. They wanted Emmy, they wanted Emmy. I wonder if Max, Drews and Jen will be on your season. Oh, hey, we love a little, that's when projecting goes right. Just putting it out there. Manifesting. Manifesting.

Manifesting. Manifesting. Manifesting. Yay for Jen. So when did this follow happen? For those of you who don't know, on the show, on her appearance on the Vowfiles, we want to apologize to Jason Tatum and Elamai. Jen on this broadcast mentioned that she had a crush on Jason Tatum.

In real time, we looked up, is he even available? Is he single? He is not, but in our sizzle, because Jason Tatum is, you know, world champion. Major celebrity. Major celebrity. A lot of people have a crush on him. Yeah, and when you say on this broadcast

that you have a crush on Jason Tatum, that is breaking news, and we will use that for clickbait, for sure. Yeah. Absolutely. People were mad though. If you started a drama between Jason andum, that is breaking news and we will use that for clickbait for sure. Yeah. Absolutely. People were mad though. If you're starting a drama between Jason and LMI, we apologize. We do.

But she also, Jen mentioned that she has a crush on this gentleman from the Cleveland Cavaliers. What's his name again? Max Trues. Max. And he followed her. And he followed her on ONG. I wonder if he DM'd or she DM'd.

I hope so, some the better of. Don't just follow and do nothing about it. Someone's gotta do something. That's true. Are we matchmakers? Oh, well Nick was on- New segment? Yeah.

I'm a professional matchmaker. Please tell me you slid in. To Max's, E-M's. Max's, is it M-A-X? Yes. I would like to know the alternative spelling. M-A-C-K-S? Max.

Max. Markham. Hi. All right. We'll see if Jen responds. Are we sliding into Justin Timberlake's DMs after his guilty speech? That was brutal. For the listeners, for context, Timberlake pleaded guilty to lesser charge of driving while ability impaired.

He was sentenced to a $500 fine with a $260 surcharge and agreed to make a public safety announcement about the dangers of drinking and driving. On top of that, he also has to do community service between 25 and 40 hours, which has, which he has a year to complete, but the internet is going after his speech because right after, go ahead. I was just saying as they should, They should be going after him for sure. Tell the people what he said. No, I agree.

But basically he said, even if you've had one drink, don't get behind the wheel of a car. There are so many alternatives. This was a mistake that I made, but I hope anybody listening or watching can learn from this mistake. He also said, there's Uber, there's taxis. Like we know that.

We did not get the DWI, sir. You did. So you take the fucking Uber in the taxi. Like that was the most condescending speech I've ever heard in my life. And apparently Nick said that the judge like ordered him to give a speech. So that's why it was.

Yeah, and I gotta say, this judge, master class. This is a good judge. This is, think about it. I mean, yes, you could have sent Justin Timberlake to jail. You could debate whether we should or shouldn't send people who get to you guys to jail, but that's for a different discussion. But you don't go to jail.

And rich people, people like Justin Timberlake, a $10,000 fine, even if it was a $100,000 fine, like ultimately wasn't going to. It was 500, right? Whatever it was. I mean, yeah, it's nothing to him in the grand scheme of things. Shame, public humility, that fucking stings. And this judge made him do the one thing

that was gonna actually hurt him, which is to go out there and humiliate himself and give this speech he didn't wanna give. And there was probably no way that Justin Timberlake was going to come off looking good doing this. He didn't, he looked terrible. It was just an absolutely brutal display of- It was a gotcha moment.

And he also was just so like brick wall, like no emotion, just absolutely monotone. Like, yeah, his heart was not in it. My favorite part was when he opened and he goes, many of you have been following me over the years. Many of you may know that I. I've been doing a lot of work. Many of you may know this, kind of like,

how much he holds himself accountable. I'm delivering, I'm butchering the speech, but I love how he just interjected. Many of you may already know that I like to hold myself accountable, but this wasn't it. And it was like, honestly, Justin, I don't know that. I don't know. I don't either. It's giving up when he got arrested and he was like, this is really going to mess up

the world tour. The world tour. Yeah. Yeah. And the clock is like the what? Talking about. I mean, he seems like an all right guy, but I don't know. I don't know one way or the other. If he is someone, he's definitely been caught up in a few sticky, you know, kissing someone else

that's not his wife's situations. Like he's had some bumps in the road. You know, there was the whole Janet Jackson, with all the whole Britney Spears. It's like, maybe, maybe not. Maybe we don't know. But anyways, this judge absolutely crucified Justin. Justin probably won't drink and drive after that.

I hope not. That was shame. That was shame at its finest. I hope he's learned his lesson. If you need a chuckle, go and watch that video. I didn't want to drink and drive after that, that's for sure. Taught us all a lesson.

Have you ever drunk and drive? No, absolutely not. But that was a sobering reminder to not drink and drive. Religious people have prayer cards while they drive. My dad does this and I was like, I wonder if Justin Timberlake, if I had a Justin Timberlake as a prayer card before driving, I was like, you know what I mean?

As a reminder not to drink and drive. He probably has a laminate of his tour, world tour. That's true. Remember the tour. Going further and further in the distance. He's really had a tough couple years. It's gonna get better for him. Yeah. Well, you guys just don't go fuck about him. No, really had a tough couple years. It's gonna get better for him. No.

Well, you guys just don't go fuck about him. No. Not really. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. That is the golden rule, isn't it? Are there any JT fans still out there? I'm a JP fan.

Anybody got a cricket sound? If we, I would, we would want him on the show. Sure, if he was like, Wow, we would. I'm begging to come on your show. Come on. Nick has a point. He's had a bad rep the past year.

He was on my wall. The Britney Spears of it all. He was one of my first crushes. This is where I stand now. It's a consequence of his own actions. I think he's made some mistakes, but like, come on, man, no? He still has the world tour.

He's still making millions. His world tour, guys. He's got the trolls. His world tour. The troll movies, he makes millions. Oh, that's true, the troll movies. He's good to go. He doesn tour, guys. He's got the trolls. His world tour. The troll movies, he makes millions. Oh, that's true, the troll movies. He's good to go. He doesn't need me.

Okay, no, let us know in the comments. Where do you stand on JT? Okay, question for Natalie and Sierra. What's more humiliating, a tampon or a diaper? Humiliating. Humiliating? Like answer the question and I'll give you the context. I mean, I'm assuming being that it's things that you wear,

but since I haven't tried the diaper. I have tried a diaper and let me tell you, it's quite comfortable. Oh. You like the diaper. Is this postpartum? Yes, postpartum I had to wear diaper, yes. Yes.

Yeah, I wasn't wearing them like. I wasn't trying to sound like I'm an active dad. Yes, yes, it was part of my war diaper. And they were quite comfortable. So I might, embarrassing, humiliating, neither, I don't think. Oh, well, there you go. Would you wear a diaper free choice now over a tampon?

Probably not, just because like I am wearing a tampon? Probably not just because like I am wearing like, like when I was postpartum, I was wearing a diaper and I was also wearing like moomoo's and big stretchy pants and like did not leave my house and stayed like kind of in the bed. Like are tampons the G-strings of underwear? Like in the sense that like. G-strings.

Wait, Nick's onto something. Tampons are the G-strings of pads. I feel like there's like some women like find them really uncomfy and hate them. And some women like that's what they rock with once they've, I don't know, once they find the right size. The more that like I get older

and the more stuff that comes out about tampons, it does make me like not want to wear them at all because they're like, toxic shock syndrome is getting more and more common and people are like, don't swim in a lake and then sit in it for a while. It's like, there's so many things that are coming out that these women are going to hospitals for

that it's like, maybe I'll just stay the fuck away. They're like dipped in lead or some shit. That was the last thing that came out. They were like, you can get lead poisoning. Dipped in lead? There shit. Like that was like the last thing that came out. They were like, you can get lead poisoning. There's like lead exposure to tampons. I just saw this viral video of a girl who didn't, she lost the cork to her wine bottle.

So she stuck a tampon in and like soaked it with the wine and then pulled it up. So it like, it corked the wine bottle, but then everybody was like, girl, the chemicals in that tampon are gonna kill you. That's crazy. And then I'm supposed to put it in my body. Yeah, so I think I'm team diaper nowadays

Okay, well so basically so jelly rolls wife So she tore she goes on the tour bus with jelly roll as he goes around the country And she basically said because the quarters are so small the bathroom small you can't flush tampons Natalie or any other like stuff down the toilet So she basically said or any other stuff down the toilet. So she basically said, diapers, you're going to feel so free and like, dude, you can bleed in them. And like, I use a diaper a day, whereas before I used to use like

effing six tampons a day. So basically she's saying she uses a diaper instead of the tampons while on the tour bus. And she's like, this is like the safer, more comfortable alternative. Listen, I listen, I support that message. I feel like I have to cross that bridge, you know, like before, until I have a child and understand the necessity of wearing a diaper.

I can't say that I would optionally do that. You wouldn't like go and instead of buying tampons, you would buy the box of diapers. It seems messy. No. Someone said it's not as messy. Not as messy. Don't you have to pull it out though?

Yeah, but it's just there. Yeah, you won't be flipping it in anyone's head. Out in the bar. What's her name? Haley Baldwin's sister? That started all this whole flushing tampon fiasco. It's the best, it's the world's best women argument, discussion is do you flush a tampon or not?

Because it's so divided and it's so like, I've only ever flushed my entire life and it's like absolutely fucking not. I ever flushed my entire life and it's like, absolutely fucking not. I was like taught that you do not do that. And it's just, it's divided. Listen, I've had to not flush a couple of them, especially here at the lake house and I don't like it. Yeah. I'll be honest.

How's that going with you? Yeah, you just know flushing at the lake house. It's too much. It's take, we're wrapping it in toilet paper and then like it's way too much. Now is this opted to not come here when she's on her period. No, I'm taking the diaper approach now. So there's this woman in London who basically married herself a couple years ago or 2023 specifically.

Is this legal? You can do this? In London it is. So she divorced herself after basically citing that she had an unsustainable relationship, even though she did couples therapy with herself. You know that therapist was like, honey, we need a different type of therapy for you. Thank you. But she, to answer your question, Nick, she married, it was a selogamy ceremony.

It's like not monogamy, selogamy. Did like anyone walk her down the aisle? Was there like a first dance? Was there? I mean, I wonder what questions about her. Was the relationship abusive? Or was there a lot of fighting or what? Like how toxic did it?

She just said she divorced due to boredom and a desire for change. And that originally the self marriage symbolized self love and independence. However, now like after the couples therapy, she found it difficult to maintain a high self demanddemand and perfection. She didn't want any of expectations of herself.

I would expect this person, whoever they are, to really go to shit when you think about it. Couldn't expect anything from themselves. It was like, I honestly can't do it. Honestly, just putting on clothes, giving a shit, eating right, honestly, it's way too much. Stop nagging, stop nagging, leave, ah, leave me alone. Oh my gosh, the arguments I'm sure she had alone.

Okay, think about it though, this is like the ultimate form of self-love, because one, she married herself, chose herself, two, divorced, chose herself. Self-love. Wow, Justin, that's so true. Listen, like the most self-centered, narcissistic asshole in the world

thinks they're the most generous, self-loving, considerate person to themselves. I'm just trying to think, usually when you go through a breakup, you try to get rid of remnants and reminders of that. How do you get rid of the reminders of yourself? Oh my God. I think we should interview this girl.

Is that a JT? Burning diaries? Honestly, can we get this person on? Probably, yeah. I got some questions. Burning diaries? Like. Honestly, can we get this person on? Probably. Yeah. I got some questions. I'm curious.

My interest has peaked. Is she going deeper or an asinine? Yeah, we don't need. Oh, asinine. We don't need a whole 90 minutes to figure out what's going on here. Okay. Reality recap. This is a segment.

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and use our code, V-I-A-L-L at checkout. Nick, do you find yourself on airplanes talking to strangers about Natalie and River? All the time. Yeah. Are you bragging about your family? That's all I do. The only thing out of my mouth is my obsession with my family and are the Packers going to

win next week? Nick is sitting on airplanes with his headphones and we've talked about this before with his headphones and listening to all of the Packer podcast. Or just staring forward for hours. He brought dogs. I can be friendly on airplanes sometimes. I can be. Sometimes I'm sitting next to someone where I'm like, I'm intrigued.

So this TikToker, hear me out. She posted a TikTok and she said, if your name is Tanya and you have a husband named Pat from Waco, Texas, and he was on a delayed flight to Indianapolis yesterday, which was June the 3rd, I just want you to know that your husband loves you so much. With a genuine love that was pouring out of him for you all when he was talking about it, I could tell he needed somebody to brag about you guys. Honestly, it was refreshing to

see a man be so committed and loyal to his family even while he's gone. Oh my god. So there are good ones. Shout out Tanya. What's his name? Good husband story. Paul.

Pat. Pat. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I love that. There are still good men out there. And also like positive content on TikTok. What's his name? Good husband story. Paul? Pat. Pat? Oh my gosh, I love that. There are still good men out there. And also like positive content on TikTok.

I love that where it's like, usually you see the shit where it's like, was your best friend, are you best friends with this person because they were talking about you and da da da da and find this person where it's like, it's nice to see like, hey, if you're this person, your husband loves you and your family so much. I also didn't realize people talk to strangers on planes.

Like I thought that was a thing of the past. We should all challenge ourselves to interact with one stranger a day. Yeah. Yeah, that for sure, but on a plane? Yes. Anywhere, grocery store, coffee shop. Ask them, you live here or you're visiting?

No, I mean. That's how you start? No bullshit. I mean, I say this to myself as well. I mean, I'm, you know, I am often on my phone or when I'm going to the grocery store, I'm usually just like head down, pot, you know, earbuds in my head, listening to a pop, you know, just disconnecting.

And sometimes I have to remind myself to look up, you know, interact with people. That's it. You always feel better afterwards. You really do. And when you try to just acknowledge someone else, ask them a question, you feel like that was a moment, that was something.

That's all people used to do, is just like, meet people and interact and socialize. And it's just, that's something we could try to practice. So Justin, next time you travel, that's an assignment. I want three interesting facts. For the record, I talked to strangers. I was just taught on a plane you don't do that because they're gonna snatch you.

Snatch you? I grew up in the era of people getting kidnapped at airplanes. At least from the Bay people. You grew up on Taken? I grew up in Sacramento. Sacramento. No, but I was taught that, what is it, not the airplanes, airports.

Were you flying alone as a little boy? Middle school, later, yeah. I mean, I flew with my family, but also by myself. But I was taught that like, what is it? Not the airplanes, airports. Were you flying alone as a little boy? Like middle school later, yeah. I mean, I flew with my family, but also by myself. But I was taught like no. I would definitely tell that. I would absolutely say that is, yeah, that's good parenting. But I have talked to some nice moms,

but sometimes I'm also like, I'm on a plane for an hour. No, but as adults, this is not advice I'm giving to children who are flying alone at the airport. Absolutely not. No, we adults could do that. What's so crazy is I, whenever I lived in New York, I was 15 and I was flying to New York from Atlanta. It was like my first time ever leaving home, whatever, I was by myself on this plane and this woman sat down beside me and she like started talking to me and it was like my first time on an

airplane and I was like crying, I was so upset, I'm scared, whatever, and she's talking me through it and I'm telling her what I'm doing in New York and she's like, I'm going to visit my daughter who lives in New York and blah, blah, blah, we're going back and forth. Fast forward four years, she comes into this jewelry store I'm working at in downtown Savannah.

What? And she's like, we're both like, what, you look so familiar, where do What? And she's like, we're both like, what you look so familiar, where do we? And we're like trying to figure it out. And then all of a sudden we're like, oh my gosh, we were on the same flight together. And we like went and got a cup of coffee

and we like chatted and it was the most wholesome. Did you catch in touch with her? No, I wish. If you're out there. That's sweet though. That was a sweet story. I know it was so sweet. So sometimes you like make a good connection.

Yeah. A literal connection. Literal. All right, so everyone listening, I wanna hear three fun facts you've learned about a stranger on Thursday. Well, if you're taking a Valeris flight from Mexico to LA.

Don't. You might be talking to strangers because there might be a ton of mosquitoes swarming the cabin. This is crazy. Yeah, this is the second time in a year that this has happened from a flight from Mexico to LA on Valaris, the specific airline.

That basically because it's rainy weather in Mexico, when they leave the doors open to clean the plane out between departures, the lights of the plane inside attract the mosquitoes. So like a swarm of mosquitoes will come into the cabin, stay there, and Valaris will still do the flight. So what happened? They just took the mosquitoes. So like a swarm of mosquitoes will come in into the cabin, stay there and Valeris will still do the flight. So what happened? They just took the flight. Did people just like leave with a bunch of bug bites?

I don't know that big of a story. Get up and smack some. You can't, you can only get up when the seatbelt sign is off. They come around you clap. It's like, they can probably make a song out of it. You know, almost one of those like, uh, what do they call it? The flash mobs where they clap together and all of a sudden it makes music or something and they're clapping and killing all the mosquitoes. I don't think it was that big of a deal.

Honestly, I'd accept the challenge. Choreograph a dance and also kill the mosquitoes and also fly to wherever you're going. It's possible. Yes, of course. Yeah, this is an opportunity. This is way more of an opportunity than a problem. It is my nightmare. How did this become a story? It's my nightmare. Someone complained about a couple of course. Yeah, this is an opportunity. This is way more of an opportunity than a problem. It is my nightmare.

How did this become a story? It's my nightmare. Did someone complain about a couple of bugs? Nick's only saying this because he doesn't get bit by mosquitoes. Oh, yeah. He's one of those. He's one of those who's like, they don't like me.

I don't have sweet blood. You know what that means, Nick? Mosquitoes are attracted to carbon, so that means you're not breathing as much. He's dead. Are you trying to die as much. Oh, he's dead. Are you trying to die on me? No, that's good. Are you holding your breath?

No. Now that you say it. I'm not breathing a lot of carbon. So you're not breathing out as much. That's good. Is this true? Is this real? Well, I took global social climate change.

I'm not breathing out enough of carbon. They're attracted to the carbon we breathe out. That's what I was taught in college. But don't we all breathe out? Are you saying our levels are different? Google that shit, Google that shit. Yeah, I would need this confirmed. It's true, it's true, watch.

I think it's to do with the blood. Well, it's probably both. I thought it was blood type, that they were attracted to different blood types more so. Mosquitoes are primarily attracted to the carbon dioxide that humans exhale when they breathe. I will be holding my breath anytime I'm outside now. Forever.

That's crazy. So what does that mean about me? That you're not breathing out as much? Hmm. Hahahaha. Riveting. Like how do you sit? How do you live outside?

When I'm getting eat up, what are you doing? I do hold my breath a lot. Are you serious? So you've known about this and you didn't want to share? I didn't know about this. Class. No. Interesting.

One time, Nick's always like, he's like, kill these mosquitoes, they're eating me, they're killing me. And then one time he's always like, I can't do it. And then one time I saw a mosquito sitting on his neck and I was like, you know what? I'm not gonna kill it. I'm gonna let this mosquito bite him

so that he knows what it feels like. Did it? Yeah, sorry. I'm sorry. I just wanted you to feel it. She chose violence. I have trust issues now. I was just so tired of being itchy

and I wanted you to relate. Talk to Darlene about this. Next session. Do you know what else is going on in the world quick? Please. Is it time for OC? We can, we could do reality TV, too. What else we got?

Well, I mean, talking about trust issues, Pioneer Town has trust issues because Alana from Selling Sunsets. Oh my God. Nick's going to set the world on fire with this take. So I don't think we should. Why? Everyone's going to disagree with me? Yeah, because I don't think that's relatable to be like,

I own a share in something. And that means AKA, I own that. I just think it's relatable to be like, I own a share in something, and that means AKA I own that. I just think it's hilarious when the internet bullies people into these stupid apologies. Like Jack Antenow. Yeah. Really? You know, it's just, and what's the story,

this new person on Selling Sunsets? Yeah, so like a new realtor, Alana, who's on Selling Sunsets, she made a comment in one of the episodes that she said, I own Pioneer Town. Kind of alluding to she owns the whole town. And then basically the town responded being like. Which is by the way, just a kind of a figure of speech

that like really popular assholes in small towns will say, I own this town. Like I have friends who have claimed to own Vegas, you know, because they know a couple like club promoters. Like it is one, a figure of speech again also continue Just well, so basically pioneer town itself released a public statement being like this is a baseless claim It undermined 78 years of internationally celebrated film arts and cultural history And then she said that miss gold only contributes less than 1% of pioneer town set 640 acres

that Miss Gold only contributes less than 1% of Pioneer Town's 640 acres. So basically they were like, she lied. And then she had a, she issued a formal apology in response. Why, but she is in fact an owner of a share of this town? Less than 1%. But she does own. Less than 1%, yeah. She also owns land there too. So she is a owner.

Of less than 1%. No, no, no, I understand the math, but like, why is she? Cause she said she owns everything. It doesn't sound to me like she owns the town. To me, it sounds like she has a share in a town. And every Green Bay Packer fan who owns a stock, which is worthless, says they're an owner of the Green Bay. I think that's them being like big fans

and trying to be like, I own the Packers because I love the Packers. And this girl, like, has she ever visited this town again? You all think she should have apologized? I don't think she should have apologized because I don't think she like did anything wrong. I don't think she like owed anyone an apology. I think it is crazy that this town was like, no, I'm actually going to put her on fucking blast and, you know, say, give this statement.

Like, I think that's crazy. What is this town about? What do they do? Is this a tourist town? and give this statement. I think that's crazy. I do- What is this town about? What do they do? Is this a tourist town? Yeah, it used to be used in early filmmaking for spaghetti Westerns, and now it's preserved. So it's a whole saloon, and then they've got their,

the people that live there live there, and then there's biker gangs, and not a lot going on there, but it's a fun time. Well, they have a lot of film and art festivals, right? A lot of music, Pappy and Harriet's, a lot of indie bands play there. So this was just a marketing opportunity for them. They're just looking for some tours bucks

and they're looking for a little attention. Because now I do kind of want to go. I'm going next week. Oh my God. Honestly, as a less than 1% owner of this town, it's probably in her best interest to. Promote it. Promote it.

Bring it up on her massive Netflix show. I'm gonna go to City Hall while I'm there and I'm gonna be like, how much does it cost to have a share as an owner in this town? Not because I want one. You should get a share and then you also own the town. I'm a part owner of Pioneer Town. Thank you. To be specific.

Thank you, come again. Well, the Valley finished filming. Ooh. Interesting. There's gonna be so much. And this is amidst Jax moving out of the house he's shared with Brittany into a new house. He finally moved out. He did, and he captioned a post, It will take some time for my new place to feel like home, but it will get there, one hour at a time, one day at a time.

Oh, boy. But I am glad he moved out. Yeah. Yeah, finally. It took all that to get him to give his wife and his son a safe place to live and not in Airbnb's What a stand-up man. Do we have a name for Lala's baby yet? Has there been enough time for Beyonce to celebrate a birthday? We do have the name Beyonce's birthday has passed. What is it? Her name is Sosa Kent Sosa? Yes. Did y'all see the

video that her, Lala posted, like, I got my placenta encapsulated and whatever, like, by this company. And I don't think it was like a brand deal or anything. I think she was genuinely just saying like, this is what I did and I did it with Ocean and now I'm doing it again with Sosa. And the company like posted a reel or video,

like, while they're doing her placenta. And she's it's the weirdest commentary. She's saying how like babies need we all know that like Lala got a sperm donor. And like this whole point of this doing it is that she was like, I want I don't any I don't want anyone to ever be able to take this baby away from me. Like Randall has been able to do with Ocean. And this woman is like, babies need a father and a mother in their life. They need both parents. Like biologically, the father's body temperature

after birth like regulates the baby while the mother is like recovering from labor. And like, so the father's detrimental, like needs. And it was like the weirdest thing to say. She was commenting off of Lala's baby announcement. She was like doing Lala's placenta thing and like just talking. And she was just saying how like babies need like father and mother.

And it just seemed like such a weird. Did she tag Lala in it? It had like the card that was like placenta for Lala Kent. So like everyone knew. When people were reading this situation as them shading Lala. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Because it's contradictory to. That sounds like a shade, but she was saying it as if she was just reading.

Like just giving scientific facts. While specifically doing Lala's placenta. While specifically doing Lala's placenta. His physical mother. Okay. That's kind of fucked. Yeah. Like if I were Lala and placenta. While specifically doing Lala's placenta. His physical mother. That's kinda fucked. Yeah. Like if I were Lala and I just promoted your company,

I said all great things and now you're gonna come out saying that I need my babies, not gonna be okay without a father. That's just a little tone deaf. Crazy. That's crazy. Has Lala said anything about it? I don't know, I don't think so. I don't think know. Crazy. That's crazy. Has Lollis said anything about it? I don't know, I don't think so.

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So to kick things off, we are gonna review some of Joan's lovely men to get a little preview of what we might be able to watch on Wednesday night. Is that correct? Should we rapid fire them in? All right, Joan's man, here we go. Bill, 68, he's from Portland, Oregon, retired videographer.

Bill would love to own a coffee shop and name it Billy Jean. No, Billy Beans. Not what that says. Billy Bean, Billy Beans. Girl went off record. He's handsome. Sure. He has a nice head of hair.

Wow, I kinda like him. Where's Joan live? Let's get that out of the way. I got it. He's giving Dosecky's guy. Well, Joan lives in Maryland. Okay, lives in Maryland. Opposite side of the country.

All right, not him. Okay, moving on. But he does, he is very very handsome Bob from Marina Del Rey Chiropractor Bob is an avid surfer and he's ready to see if he and Joan have the total tubular chemistry He's been searching for well tubular chemistry interesting. I need a chiropractor right now. That would be nice to have as a partner Yeah, a chiropractor always adjusted. Yeah, that'd be nice Charles hey, he's from Rachel Palos Verdes Yeah, that'd be nice. Charles.

Hey, he's from Rancho Palos Verdes. Okay, portfolio manager. Okay, Charles got some money probably. Charles is very proud of the work he's done building homes in rural Nicaragua. Hell yeah, you guys did. I love that for him. These guys got swag. What if I told you I took a couch off his lawn the other day?

Probably. And it was nice. Love that for you. That watch. Charles L is 66 from Philadelphia He's retired financial analyst if Charles L could see anyone in concert during his golden years He'd love to see Britney Spears perform So he could he may be a little toxic. Oh, we don't know no

He was born to make you happy. That's true Chalk chalk not Chuck Chalk from Wichita I don't know. Brainy spirits. Or he was born to make you happy. That's true. Okay. Chalk. Chalk, not Chuck. Chalk. From Wichita, he is insurance executive. His guilty pleasure is shopping and he can't resist a good sale. Okay.

I love a creative name. One of us has to be responsible for finances. Interesting. Truly. Yeah, it's not going to work. Christopher, 64, West Babylon, New York. Contractor, Christopher loves that his birthday is on Christmas Eve. I feel like that's a lie. It's a no. You cannot loves that his birthday is on Christmas Eve. I feel like that's a lie.

It's a no. No. You cannot love that your birthday's on Christmas Eve. Nobody can. In fact, we can't marry him because he's just gonna ruin Christmas Eve. Every year. He's gonna be like, no, it's my birthday. We can't celebrate Christmas. He's gonna be like, no, honestly, guys, I don't care.

You got me twice as many gifts. Let's celebrate the birth of Jesus. I don't care. He is very handsome, though. He's very handsome. Why don't they put this type of effort into their regular show? Truly, this photo shoot is great. They look fantastic. Well-dressed men. Love the props. Christopher is very handsome. Moving on. Dan, 64, Naples, Florida, private investigator. Oh my God, the tea that he would bring home for supper. Just make Dan your best friend. Don't marry him. Make him your best friend.

That's true. Yeah. Dan loves to sing, just not in public. friend. Don't marry him. Make him your best friend. That's true, yeah. Dan loves to sing, just not in public. Because we can't marry a PI. He's probably a little toxic. He's probably a former cop. He's probably got some tragic stories. He cares too much about other people's business. But make him your best friend.

He also looks like he wants to write a novel. I love his suede jacket. He has a nice smile. Moving on. David, 68, from Austin, Texas. He's a rancher. David's hero is his 91-year-old mother. He's a little boy.

He's a little boy. He's a little boy. He's a little boy. He's a little boy. He's a little boy. He's a little boy. He's a little boy. He's a little boy. He has a nice smile. Yeah. Moving on. David, 68 from Austin, Texas. He's a rancher. David's hero is his 91 year old mother. He looks like kind of John Hamm.

A little bit, yeah. I love David. He is hot as fuck. And he's a rancher. Wait, look at his shirt. It's so unbuttoned. He's showing so much check. Oh my God, showing check.

He's got the necklaces. This like pirate look. Oh my God, I love him. David, pop off. I'm into him. Me too. All David, pop off. I'm into him. Me too. I'm in. All right, moving on. Gary, 65, Palm Desert, California,

retired financial executive. Youthful. Gary is the godson of the legendary Tina Turner. What? And is also very musically gifted with a beautiful singing voice and killer dance moves. How did he not end up on Claim to Fame? I bet he was casted for it.

Godson of Tina Turner. He looks full of life, he looks vibrant, he looks youthful. He looks very fun. He looks like a lot of fun. Okay. Gil60 from Mission Viejo, he's an educator and Gil's favorite book is The Bridges of Madison County. Awww.

Kind of gives you a plot, right? A little bit of a memory of his dead wife. Yeah, it's sad. I don't know if he has a dead wife, but hey, honestly, we are gonna be fucking crying. You thought the dead husband stories were gonna get us, the dead wives stories, oh my, the tearjerkers, the widow stories.

We've got Greg Longboat Key, Florida, retired university vice president. Greg wears flip flops 90%. Do you think he's only gonna wear flip-flops on the show? Greg wears flip-flops, okay. Put the dogs away. The worst shoe ever. Guy, 66, oh my gosh, that was the name

of the first crush I ever had in preschool. His name was Guy and he had a patch over his eye and glasses. Anyways, this one is 66, he's from Reno, Nevada. He's an emergency room doctor, hot. Guy is planning to take Mount Kilimanjaro this fall. He's taking it. He hot. Guy is planning to take Mount Kilimanjaro this fall. He's taking it. He's taking it. He's hiking Mount Kilimanjaro this fall.

Love him. Love him. What an unfortunate name, Guy. When you're naming, isn't it? Sorry. I just, for all the guys out there. I don't think it's unfortunate. Really?

He's the guy. He's the guy. I don't think he's bad. He looks like a guy who was raised with his parents being like, you're the guy. He's an emergency room doctor. He's literally a hero He's the guy. He looks like a guy who was raised with his parents being like, you're the guy. He's an emergency room doctor. He's literally a hero. I love him.

Jack, 68 from Chicago, Illinois. He's a caterer. Okay. On May 22nd, 1977, Jack was sitting in the front row at Elvis's last concert in Chicago. Okay. That's a flex actually. That's kind of a flex, yeah.

Keep him going. Love it. Jonathan, 61, actually. That's kind of a flex, yeah. Keep him going. Love it. Jonathan, 61, Oakland. Gray dresser. He's from Oakland, Iowa, shipping consultant. Jonathan toyed with the idea of being a bodybuilder. It was going to do it, but then he didn't. I wonder what he looks like under that nice sweater.

I bet it's amazing. Hey guys, what are things that you were going to do and just didn't? I'm sure there's a long list. Jordan, 61, 61 Chicago sales manager Jordan misses the days when visitors would stop by unannounced What does that mean? I have no idea He's from a small town and people just knock on the door sign for Kramer Kramer would stop by unannounced Ah, yes, of course. All right. Well Jordan. I hope your people come to you one day Of course. All right, well Jordan, I hope your people come visit you

He's a Seinfeld fan. One day. Next. Keith 62 from San Jose. He's a girl dad. Love that. Keith's guilty pleasure is Ben and Jerry's ice cream. And he says he can never have just one scoop.

Such a girl's dad. Love that for him. Which ice cream do we think it is? I'm gonna say Moose tracks. Next we have Ken 60 from Peabody, Massachusetts. Halps Joan. 61. Peabody, Massachusetts. Paul, Joan. 61. Peabody, Massachusetts.

He's a property manager, treasurer. Ken is told he's a bad driver, but he's not buying it. Well, so is Nick, so they have that in common. All right, moving on. Oh my God. Kim. He looks like he's hiding something. 69, Seattle, Washington, retired Navy captain.

Ahoy. Kim is an excellent whistler. I bet he can also tie a knot. I bet he can tie a hell of a knot. He's probably seen some shit as a retired Navy captain. Pun intended, by the way. I don't know if you guys picked up on that. Can I get a ching ching, dun dun ch.

I don't get a ch. Tie a knot, get married. Ah, yeah, okay, cute. Next, Mark. We love Mark. Kelsey Anderson's dad. You would not think he, no, but, cute. Next. Mark. We love Mark. Kelsey Anderson's dad. No, but let's just acknowledge the fact this is not a great picture of Mark because this is...

No, it is. He's handsome. He's so hot, but he looks hotter on TV. He's not looks-maxxing here. Mark, 57, Kelsey Anderson, winner of Joey Season's Father. He's from Leesville, Louisiana. An army veteran, Mark is terrified of ostriches. I also feel like I'm a little nervous around them. Next, Michael, 65, Denver, North Carolina, retired banking CEO.

Michael went to Lollapalooza three times, all in his 50s. He looks like a retired banking CEO. This guy's fucking loaded. Retired CEO of a bank? I see that watch. That motherfucker's rich. I see that watch and that way he's clasping his hands. This guy's so rich. And Lollapalooza three times. In his 50s? He likes to party. He went three times? Yeah, you're like finance banking CEO like this guy parties. That's because he was so rich. He flew in and out of the helicopter. Yeah. From Denver. He knew someone that owned, he owned Lollapalooza probably.

He owns a.1%. Yeah. He rode around on a golf cart the whole time, did not step feet on the property. Next, Pablo63, Cambridge. Retired UN agency director, Noble. All right, Pablo has taught time controlling himself around ice cream. Oh my gosh, him and our friend. Older men love ice cream, huh?

We know there's a lactose intolerant king among them who's just going to be like, oh, whoa, whoa. Casting out the lactate. He seems like an educator. Like, he seems that facial hair is a choice. Pascal, 69, from Chicago. There's so many from Chicago, salon owner. Pascal isn't a great cook, but he makes great reservations.

This guy looks really charming. Yeah. Look at all those bracelets. His name's Pascal. When your name is Pascal, you can wear bracelets. Yeah, absolutely. Next, RJ66 Irvine, California financial advisor. RJ's favorite Christmas movie is Die Hard.

Love him. Absolutely love him. That's the worst Christmas movie. That's a no for me. It's not a Christmas movie. He's definitely a dude. He's a guy's guy. It happens on Christmas.

He's such a guy. It's not a Christmas movie. It's a good movie, yeah. It's a dude. He's a guy's guy. It happens on Christmas. He's such a guy. It's not a Christmas movie. It's a good movie. It's one of the most guy things this year. I wish he would have said Home Alone. Next. Thomas, 62, from New York, New York. Oh, this is hot.

He's a fire department of New York chief. Thomas used to own a creepery in Rhode Island. Love him. I think he's great. FDNY. Cute. That's hot. Chief of the FDNY, down for it. All right. Perfect.

Well. Well, good luck to Joan. Do you have your two favorites? I don't remember their names, but I do have two. Next. Okay. Well, we're excited to see Joan's journey unfold Wednesday night, and we'll get into it

on Reality Recap on Thursday. All right, it's time to get into Real Housewives of OC and I am livid. All right, it's time for a little OC. I am, I'm still, I'm at a loss. I am at a loss with, at this point in the season. I feel like we're all being gaslit. I am, I'm using the word, I'm using the word.

He used the term. Cause I'm just confused as to, it seems like the show is trying to paint this narrative of is it fucked up for Alexis and John to do what they're doing to Shannon or is it not? Or should we still be friends with Alexis? Can we be friends with both of them? Where I'm thinking this is obviously incredibly fucked up

for what John and Alexis are doing. And this whole last episode seemed to be trying to like, well, you know, I'm friends with both of them so I don't really know what to do. And trying to show Alexis in a way where it's like, she's a human too, where I'm just more like, what? I'm so confused. And then we had John,

Alexis was on Watch What Happens Live late last week. John was sitting in the stands. He made an appearance. For those of you who don't know how TV is made, I'm assuming everyone who watches Bravo knows this much. But for anyone who doesn't know, John was clearly mic'd up in the audience. So it was pre-planned that they were gonna cut to him

and ask him a question in the audience Whether that was designed or requested by John Alexis. I don't know or just an idea from production I don't know either they made it seem like it wasn't because I asked Alexis like do you want to talk about this and Alexis was like well, I mean John like do you want to say for yourself? So that was clearly a plan, you know, like we're just you know Like he was mic'd up. They always knew they were gonna cut to him and get his POV Yeah, and I only bring that up for a guy who like we haven't really talked to John We've invited Alexis and John on the show. I'm trying to get anyone on OCs on the show

Gina I guess is gonna come on later, but she wants to come in the studio. So she wasn't available this week I just want to Heather if you're out there, Emily, someone, why isn't, Emily a little bit, what this episode. Emily did, yeah, Emily absolutely did. Emily is starting to. But just someone articulate to me, why isn't everyone not screaming in horrifying fashion?

What the fuck are we doing here? This is cruel, this is mean. Explain this to me like I'm a four-year-old. Just said, you seem to be fully well-versed in what this lawsuit is, because on Watch What Happens Live, when they cut to John, I thought this lawsuit was about John claiming

that he paid for Shannon's procedure and that she owed him this money when in fact she was like, hey, we were dating, he just paid for it, you know, but apparently there's a claim that she said that she would pay him back and that's a he said, she said situation. And then he goes on watch what happens live. And he all he's talking about is that Shannon is like it.

This is a slander case that he was saying that Shannon accused him of fat shaming or Shannon accused him of paying for everything or it's just like what is it? I'm confused. So is this a slander thing? Is it he owes money? Is this about his reputation? I mean you nailed it on the head. I mean watch what happens live. He specifically said the reason he was suing her is because I have been disparaged for almost five years. Why would I put a legal muzzle on myself so that I can't actually correct the record? And then the examples of disparaging he said were that she said she

pays for everything. She said that she was his sugar mama, and that was further from the truth. And then like you said, he claimed that she said he fat shamed her, but like the actual lawsuit that he sued her and that they're talking about on the show is that he is suing her for breach of oral contract and promissory fraud regarding the $75,000 facelift. And then promissory fraud occurs when someone makes a promise without the intention of following through on it. So that's him claiming that he said she said of she said she would pay me back. And it's kind of what Alexis is doing, too, where it's like we know the lawsuit is for the facelift,

which for face value, it's like, that's pretty like, you probably made that purchase knowing that you loved her or that you wanted to pay for it and that she wasn't going to pay it back. But then Alexis and John are kind of rewriting history and making it more of like, well, she said all these horrible things about John, even though like John wasn't that, but then also that being said, like John's trying to say that Shannon humiliated him, but Shannon said that, and she's been saying this multiple times, that John was proud of Shannon being on the show. So, like, he wanted to be brought on.

What the fuck are Alexis and John doing to Shannon right now? Are they not doing the exact same thing? Yeah. I would argue that they're embarrassing themselves. I mean, from even just a logical PR move. I mean, honestly, Alexis and John, if you're out there, please come on the show. Maybe we're seeing it wrong. That's honestly what I want to know.

I want to give them every opportunity to answer the questions and explain why we're not being gaslit, why they are justified for this behavior. There was a little bit in last week's episode, you know, granted this was weeks ago, months ago when they filmed this, but like John was on speakerphone and there was a little commentary as if like, John said something like, yeah, of course, like very sarcastically, yeah, we're the bad people here. Like very righteously was this like, he was speaking as if like,

it's insane that no one else understands their POV and everyone else is thinking of the bad guy. But honestly, like, what are they doing? It just, it makes no sense to me. Also, like, does it make sense? We keep hearing that John likes his private life, is want, you know, he doesn't, you know, want his reputation to be disparaged in the public eye, and that only he can't handle, like, if he says it's false, that like, oh, that he paid for everything.

Is he that small of a man? Like, why, why does he, why, also, Why is that bothering you so much? Why does he small of a man? Like why, why does he, why also, why does he have an obsession with only dating housewives? If you don't like being a part of gossip, I don't know if, you know, dating and marrying housewives is the place to go. That is a community of people who love to gossip.

That's like what they do. It is literally their careers. And that's all he's doing is dating the people who are professional gossippers while simultaneously claiming to just not like the spotlight but also, can I come please sit in the audience and get mic'd and dressed up like this guy wants to be big in the worst possible way from, like he,

I bet John puts on Sex in the City every morning of scenes of big, like his motivation for the day, and it's his big scenes. He wants to be him so bad. And he had his leather jacket and his scarf. He definitely hired a stylist for that appearance on Watch What Happens Live. Well, they're going on red carpets.

Red carpets, yeah. I remember Shannon was saying how he was saying he doesn't wanna be in the limelight, any of that, and then he was like, our red carpet debut. And then Gina was like... Well, that's the weird part. And you said it too, Nick, where it's like Shannon said that when they were together, he was proud of her being on the show and would brag like, oh, my wife or my girlfriend's on the

show. And he would try to make as many appearances during production. But then now he's rewriting it being like, she embarrassed me on the show, but I'm going to have Alexis go on the show for me. And embarrass me further. But then you have Alexis doing the whole, he offered to pay me my salary so I wouldn't go on the show, but no, I wanna be here to like talk for him. So it's this weird like-

And I'm floored that like he even has a case, it sounds like a case of he said, she said. And again, sure, anyone with money can sue anyone. And if you have more, it's like poker. If you have all the chips, you can just kind of lean on them and. But it's also like, she has offered to pay him and he's like, sorry, not good enough.

I want more than that. And it's like, you're in a whole new relationship. He's engaged to Alexis. It's like, at some point, you have to move the fuck on from your ex. And like, is $75,000 worth all of this? I guess it is to him. I don't know, it seems like he has plenty of money currently

in this moment, so like, I don't know why he's- But if he cares about his reputation, I've literally never heard of him before this season, and I couldn't have a lower opinion. And it's based off of what he seems to be doing outside of the show and appearing. But if we have it wrong, like if we are not understanding your point of view, please come and articulate it.

And including Heather, this is another tough watch for Heather. And this is mostly because it's just like, oh, I just don't know which friend I should support. I mean, like, nothing more irritating in life than friends stuck between quote unquote other friend drama and acting like they're the victims. Especially when one of those friends is actually being victimized,

when one friend is doing a fucked up thing to another friend, and then the other friends in that group act as if they're so inconvenienced by the drama, it's just like, I just don't want to get in the way when clearly there is a right and a wrong version here. And again, if we're not reading it right, if there's another side of the story, Heather, please come correct us.

Please, in your very Heather DeBrow way, please tell us how it is. And like Emily being like, for us, will you please sit down with her? And them like being like Alexis being like, I fucking knew she'd say no. It's like, of course she said, who the fuck would want to sit down and talk to you

after everything you've done? Right. Like I wouldn't. Yeah, it feels like the end of Vanderpump when everyone was like, get Ariana to have a conversation with Sandoval. She was like, I'm not doing it. You know, that's like. It was so weird that multiple people are going up

being like, please talk to her. And it's like, why do you care? And like Shannon and the making such a big deal about Shannon being like, Alexis, like I heard you wanted to speak to me and I am not interested. Then being like, oh my fuck. Why are they showing that? And again, maybe that's not the case. Why can't she say that? Why can't she be like, hey, Alexis, I'm acknowledging that you wanted to talk to me. I hear you. That's

awesome. But like, I'm not interested in that. What's so fucking wrong? Why should she be interested in her ex boyfriend coming at her and claiming to owe her $70,000 for a procedure that he clearly, I mean, listen, it's just not believable that he was like, she was like, yeah, I'll pay you back. And he was like, cool, really? I find it more believable that this guy not only offered to pay, but insisted,

and in fact, requested, and then like, if you do this, I'll pay for it almost. I bet he saw it as an investment in himself. This was the guy who was talking about Shanna being the love of his life, his person, his forever. Baby, I'm not spending money on you, I'm spending money on us.

You know what I'm saying? That's like what, that's how he fucking sounded back then. It's crazy. And he's so vindictive in the whole like, who was unwilling to settle because I think to the sparage clause, basically neither of them could talk shit about each other if they settled and he wanted to still be able

to talk shit about Shannon. And Alexis being like, why the fuck did Gina show her the videos? Like, why would she do that or tell her about the videos? It's like, but you've been telling everyone about it for weeks. Yes. You didn't think she finally deserved to know? Also, if these videos were as bad as they claim it's like, but you've been telling everyone about it for weeks. You didn't think she finally deserved to know?

Also, if these videos were as bad as they claim it to be, he would have fucking showed them. I'm sorry, this does not sound like a guy. And then what could possibly be in it? She's really drunk. It probably is in fact really bad, but we know it was really bad. We've been saying how bad, like when this shit happened,

we were hard, it's just like, but we've like that's like they can't see the forest through the trees I don't know. But again, if you're out there john alexis heather anyone someone please Yes, honey, you've invited them you've invited them. I do think you're wrong. Emily. I think like said it really well Where she was like it's getting dirty. It's getting salacious. It's getting mean like she just said it for what it was She's like you need to stop. She's, you're attacking a woman while she's down. Yeah. What she is. Like, John also knows what she went through with the lawsuit with Tamara and Jim, Alexis's

ex-husband. So it's also like you're bleeding her dry by making her have to pay for all of these legal fees, all of this stuff to still get to the conclusion that you won't accept the money that you're asking for. And all she asked for was a, oh God, what was it? What's it called when she said it's a clause that she wanted to be- Non-dispersed.

Non-dispersed clause. And that's all she asked for. And he was like, absolutely not. I'm not gonna accept the money that I'm asking for because I want the ability to disparage you. It's bizarre. What did we think of the Gina, Katie, Heather fight at the end?

Katie accusing Gina if he's Heather. I'm team Gina for sure. It makes no sense. Like Gina's like, Heather fight at the end. Katie accusing Gina of using Heather. I'm team Gina for sure. It makes no sense. Like Gina's like, I've never talked to Heather about real estate. Why would I be using her for real estate connections? Katie is trying to figure her way out of this hall. And I think she's a very smart person

who's usually capable of figuring her way out of these types of halls. And I think she's met her match with Heather. I think Gina's just too honest and too expressive. Like she might make a mistake, she might foolish, she might speak out of turn, she might get a little sloppy, but she's not this calculated. She's not that, you know what I'm saying?

Exactly. That's what Heather said. Katie is. Heather might be as well, but Gina's not. Gina's not. Yeah, well, Heather said that about Gina. She was like, she tells me too much details. Yeah.

So she's not lying. No, I mean Heather has it right. She just needs to, Katie needs to take the L, admit she was wrong and move on. But Katie's not willing to take the L. Katie wants to get on Heather's level. She wants Heather to acknowledge the misunderstanding. And then Katie will say, well, for whatever part I did,

I mean, I'm sorry too, but you know, obviously which it's Misunderstanding willy-wood that is and Katie doesn't want to be like now. I made a move. I was a rookie I went after the Queen I got knocked the fuck down and now I Now I kind of know my place on this show and I got to kind of work my way back up but you're stuck at the mail room and she doesn't want to be stuck at the mail room and She's stuck at the mail room, and she doesn't wanna be stuck at the mail room. And she's stuck at the mail room. It was definitely a rookie mistake to like, come in with your drama being Heather. Because it's kind of like a kiss of death

when it's like your first season is you being the center of the drama. Like the drama- That was a big swing. But the drama is you are the problem, you know? Well, and Heather also like never indulges. Like she's kind of like, she'll be in the drama, but she's like, how do I get out of this?

Where I'm like, you're starting shit with somebody who but she's like, how do I get out of this? Where I'm like, you're starting shit with somebody who's not gonna give anything back to you. Or even Alexis. It's like your storyline your first season is that you're hating on Shannon. Like you look bad. You look bad.

Yeah. I respect, listen, you show up in prison. Sometimes you wanna go after the big king to take charge, but sometimes the big king knocks you down a few pegs. And she went for it, she lost, and now she's gotta earn the respect of Heather and it's gonna take a while. If I'm Heather, I'm waiting to at least find out what she said.

I'm trying to think of a good season where like a housewife entered with like the drama being her and then survived. But what I was gonna say though is I also feel like Tamara has her little producer hat on and she's feeding stuff to Katie that's making it 10 times worse because it was like, that's what Tamara does. She gets involved in everybody else's stuff.

So nobody's looking at her. And all of a sudden it's like, Katie's having this one-on-one conversation with Tamara and it's like, no, Gina convinced you, Gina. And I'm like, why are we, why are we even like furthering the narrative when we weren't even assuming that like Tamara came up with that. So I'm sorry, but I'm like, that's partially why she, I mean, she's a great housewife, but she's one of my least favorite personalities,

because that's what she does is she pits people against each other and is the loudest one in the room pointing fingers so nobody looks at her. Yeah, her like yelling at Gina being like, you getting so defensive is giving guilty. And it's like, no, it wasn't. Or she's like, people are lying on her and she's like, what the fuck?

No, I didn't say that. And also a good moment with Gina was at the table when she was talking about Shannon's DUI and whatnot. And she was like, you don't get to dictate how other people support their friend. Just because you don't like that Shannon's still drinking. I already went through a DUI. I already made choices for myself

and I can still choose to support her whatever way I want to. But Tamra wants to control how we all feel or think about Shannon. I like Gina. Yeah. Tamra just seems to me, best case scenario, she's not as cruel or as evil as a person

as she comes across, but she's just like, she's showing up to work, she's like, I'm a professional, none of these ladies at the end of the day are my friends, I'm here to do what I need to do to make TV. And it just comes across as disingenuous and just kind of fake, or she sucks. And she is this mean or cruel. But I am kind of over, there's just no authenticity.

It's just like, she is just there to like spice it up. And like, I don't know, I just, you kind of see through it a little bit. And she's the first one to get on her Instagram and start crying and saying that she's being picked on, but it's like, look at how you treat your friends, your non-friends, whatever, just for a paycheck. And then Vicky makes one comment about her

and she's going on her Instagram crying about leaving her family alone. But I'm like, you're attacking everybody's family on camera. Tamara seems like someone who just absolutely has made her bed, and she seems to be willing to make her bed and thriving in the bed that she's making, but no one has an appetite for her complaining about this situation she finds.

Yeah, it's just like, wait, you have every opportunity to just one time be the nice person. Be empathetic, pick the person who's down, bring them back up. Tamra is so good at punching down. And it just gets a little, eh. I wonder if going into the season, they thought that the storyline would shift the audience

to support Alexis and Tamra over Shannon. Because I'm thinking in parallel to like Salt Lake City last season, everybody thought that they were gonna hate on Monica, the audience, but everybody ended up loving Monica. So I wonder if like they were like, Oh, Shannon's going to get the villain at it because she was a D got a DUI. I mean, there's yeah, that's definitely possible, but like Shannon was, you know,

in a different way, but similar to Monica, what we love more than anything on reality TV is authenticity is the willingness for someone to say, you know what, I am down, I'm broken. I am trying my best because whether we'd like to admit it or not, and that's why we love these shows is that we are all fucking messes. We all have our secrets. We all have our flaws. We all have our great deep down insecurities.

We've all had moments in life that we've been bullied. And when we see someone like really down bad, but really trying their best to like pick their self back up while owning their mistakes, we can't help but want to root for that person. And yeah, and I think a lot of times we see people in reality TV, they're so used to working with inauthentic people

and people who are so afraid to actually just be vulnerable. But I think, yeah, they almost miscalculated just how mean they were and how down bad Shannon is. And maybe they just didn't anticipate this level of vulnerability from Shannon because every week we're watching this person who's just like truly being emotionally abused. I mean, I don't know how else to look at it.

It is mean, it is cruel. And yeah, I don't, maybe they just didn't, maybe they misread the room. I don't know how else to look at it. It is mean, it is cruel. And yeah, I don't, maybe they just didn't, maybe they misread the room. I don't know, because it just, I do not get it every week. It's gotten to the point where I'm really hating everyone but Shannon. Yeah. Seeing Shannon's face this episode, I felt so bad for her.

And then Heather had like a cringe moment where she was like, you need some makeup on. And I was like, this woman has been crying because her life is literally falling apart. And you want to criticize her for not having makeup on? Actually wild. But also another vulnerable moment that happened was Emily this episode talking about the fashion show

and like her size. And I don't know if you've seen how she's obsessed with working out. And clearly she has, she's questioning if she has some sort of form of body dysmorphia because it's like she thinks she's working so hard and she's lost, and she has some form of body dysmorphia because it's like, she thinks she's working so hard and she's lost, and she has lost a lot of weight and I think she looks great.

But I am like, it was something that I kind of related to because I feel like, especially as a woman being concentrated on weight and appearance and whatnot, where I was like how she was saying, somebody saying an oversized jacket where I'm like, that's just the name of the article of clothing. But she was like, no, for me, it makes me feel like I've had no progress. Like maybe I'm second guessing myself looking in the mirror. Like, did I actually lose weight? And I thought that was a really powerful thing

for her to bring up because I feel like it's something that people deal with all the time, but she's in such a platform and an area where you think she's so hard and tough. And I was like, okay, so here we're finally like peeling back the layers and the insecurities of like what she deals with on a day-to-day basis. And it was super relatable.

Yeah, it was. I appreciated her opening up about that. And it looks like in next episode, it gets really, really crazy with Heather in her. Oh yeah, I love that. Did you guys see that? Did you guys see that? Because Emily talks about how she's like,

"'You made me bring jeans.' I just felt like, and Heather was like, "'She's mad at me because I told her to bring jeans. It looks like it gets really, they're about to get into it. And I don't know. I hope Heather just says sorry. Cause I feel like that's a situation where you're like, that was oversight. That wasn't my intentions, but I'm like, honestly, truly sorry. Yeah. Like I have no idea what it's like to be in your shoes and I don't know what

triggers you and like different things may trigger me. So like, I'm so sorry, like whatever I said, whatever I did, like if trigger me So like I'm so sorry like whatever I said whatever I did like if that triggered you I'm so sorry, but it doesn't seem like that's how it goes down. So oh shit Well, that sounds like a wild episode of OC which we'll get into next week We got some a couple big premieres coming out this week both tomorrow night. We got the Golden Bachelorette We got real housewives of Salt Lake City will get into both of them on reality recap on Thursday All right. We'll see you on Thursday, bye. ["Salt Lake City"]

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