The Viall Files - E812 - “The Podcast” - RHOSLC Returns, Golden Bachelorette Premiere, NYFW, and Cursing Around Babies

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! Our shall we say… “The Podcast” Bravo’s Real Housewives of Salt Lake City just aired last night, and we are OBSESSED. We talk about it all: Lisa v Whitney, Angie K’s scroll, Mary M Cosby’s costumes, and the new wives.  Meanwhile, last night was also the premiere of ABC's Golden Bachelorette and we are in love with Joan Vassos’ men. “You wanna see the healed Nick, ok it's time for Golden Bachelorette.” ALSO… Buy our exclusive “The Podcast” merch: https://viallfiles.myshopify.com  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Helix Sleep - Helix is offering up to 25% off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to https://www.HelixSleep.com/Viall Quince - Upgrade your wardrobe with pieces made to last with Quince. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. OUAI - Wash your OUAI to healthy hair & get a hair routine that’s made just for you, by visiting https://www.theOUAI.com and use promo code VIALLFILES for 15% off any product. FirstLeaf - Bring a great bottle to your next gathering with Firstleaf. Go to https://www.TryFirstleaf.com/viall to sign up and you’ll get your first SIX handpicked bottles for just $44.95. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @the_mare_bare @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 07:09 - Household Headlines 08:39 - Diddy 09:31 - Something About Her 12:06 - Cussing 16:13 - Ring 18:55 - Fashion Week 25:44 - Vibes Or Knowledge 41:31 - RHOSLC 01:00:46 - Golden Bachelorette 01:10:58 - Outro  

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I did not. Oh, Nick's giving us fur blankets. Oh, wait, that's perfect. I love it. Alright, are we ready? Yes. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, also known as Lake Nick, or just Nick.

It is the last day of Nick. We are hitting the road later today. I also want to point out for the people watching on YouTube, yes, am I wearing the same shirt as Tuesday? Of course. Did I wash it? I have. Actually, my mom washed it.

I am at the lake. His mom is doing his laundry. His mom is doing his laundry. His mom is doing the laundry. And welcome Lisa Barlow to the show. Hi. Are we all Lisa? Are we all Lisa? We're all different versions of Lisa. The Household came dressed up in the spirit of the premiere of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

Also really the premiere of The Volfiles on Bravo. Absolutely. Is it? Is it our first time on Bravo. Absolutely, yep. Is it? Or is it our first time on Bravo? I can't, I don't know. I feel like, were we on, um, what was that? There were vague illusions in Summer House. Vague illusions.

No, this is a sound bite and name. This is us, name drop. Yeah. Yeah, this is name drop, this is. This is nothing the catalyst for episode one. Yeah. We caused a storyline. I mean, really Whitney, but like I think Whitney really put the show on her back episode one. We caused a storyline. I mean, really Whitney, but like I think Whitney

really put the show on her back episode one. Could you imagine if she was like. And we were there to assist. Could you imagine if like in this argument with Lisa, she was like, I didn't even like, I didn't wanna fucking answer that. Like he asked me like, what if she like totally like. They turned on us.

Turned on us, yeah, could you imagine? I know, I feel like she was such a friend of show for y'all, she was like, no, what did I say? Where it was a two-hour podcast where they have a two Do your best Whitney impression it might be Don't do her dirty What do you mean? What do you mean? It's what part two hours? It's a two-hour podcast Lisa pretty fucking good It's my two hour podcast, Lisa. Pretty fucking good. You have to say it's my fill in, Heather. It's my fill in, Heather. How do you expect me to hill if you don't give me time to fill?

I love you, Whitney. That's pretty good. We've got a Meredith and a Whitney. Who am I? Lisa. Lisa. Oh, OK. What a great episode.

The premiere of Salt Lake City. Yours truly, the Vile Files. Well, ours truly. vile files well ours truly Is it yours yours truly us listen happy to just be a part of it? Yours truly ours should we really release that episode that's it's worth the conversation Yeah, I think we should because now people are gonna be like well. What the fuck does she say she's a yep two hours Yeah, I told Sierra I personally was deceased and revived watching the episode last night as a Salt Lake City fan. This is his Roman Empire.

Justin, we really owe this a big thank you. I mean, it was Justin who said, guys, you are sleeping on Salt Lake City. You need to watch it. Yes, the rest of the world woke up to it. I like to think again, the Vile Files has a pretty big reach and for the people who love reality TV, who weren't like subscribing to Real Housewives, have Justin to thank.

I mean, it really is Justin who really turned us all off. And let's be real here, coming into episode one, there's a huge fear of like, can these ladies carry the season without Monica? I mean, she was an icon. We miss her every day on our TV screens. Everyone is looking for her next move. And here we are, we are the driving force,

the drama on episode one. Is it me or is Justin have a little bit more attitude? He definitely does. With the coat, with the fur coat. I did watch the premiere twice. Last night, I'm not going to lie. And I'm amped up. So are we ready?

So you were deceased and revived. At what point were you revived? I paused the episode 10 times so I don't remember. But no, I do remember. I was going to say, you texted me when you saw the soundbite. Yes It's Angie Kaye middle. I I'm a lover of Angie Kaye. Mm-hmm And I feel like Angie Kaye is getting the love she deserves finally being the center snowflake I was gonna say wow Angie Center snowflake. That's a big deal. Do they flip coins for that?

Do they fight for that? Like how does that It clearly is a thing that fans and people care about. I think it's who gives the most in a season and they get rewarded with center position. Yeah, it's the same thing as like a reunion seat. Whoever's sitting next to Andy is kind of like the main storyline or the storyline that people actually care about. Whitney was last on the Snowflake lineup.

Well, I love Whitney. That's unfortunate. I know. I do too. So you're telling me based off this lineup that we can expect this season to be really about Angie? It seems like Angie's starring. And then we need somehow like an afterthought?

Is that what you're telling me? Is that accurate information? You could assume. I mean, Angie has the least amount of followers out of the whole cast, but usually the person in the middle is one of the main people. Like you can leave it at that, whether they are the main person,

but they have a big storyline. Yeah. Or they deliver. Maybe Easter came twice this year. There you go. Oh wow, yeah, Greek Easter. Well, either way, Whitney really set things up. We'll get into the recap momentarily.

What do we have to cover, Justin, before we pop off on Salt Lake City? Also, yes, we all cried for the Golden Bachelorette. Excited to get into Joan's premiere as well. But what do we have? Well, do they have a Red Lobster near the lake house? Absolutely not. Not that I know of.

I think the closest one would be either Green Bay or Appleton. Well, the good news is that Red Lobster is no longer in bankruptcy thanks to Flavor Flav. They are still offering quality seafood at a great price. Gross. I don't know why anyone's still going there. You can buy their biscuits in like a free package bag at the grocery store. They don't taste as good though. That's true. Have you ever experienced the pure euphoria of just staring at those lobsters and that thing? Absolutely not. Okay but when I was 10.

Yeah, no, at the grocery store, when I would see the lobsters in the thing at the seafood aisle, that was like the peak of my grocery store experience. I'm a marine biologist. I was like, I am aquamarine. Hello, JoJo. Yes, JoJo.

Speaking of JoJo, I hope you guys enjoyed that episode that dropped yesterday, JoJo, I hope you guys enjoyed that episode that dropped yesterday. JoJo, the icon that she is, spent time with Nellie and I when we were in New York last time. Had a great conversation about her career, her life, her struggles, her engagement, her relationships. She really opens up.

It's a great episode. I know many of you are fans of JoJo. She has a new book out, so check out this week's episode of Going Deeper, it is absolutely fantastic. You will not wanna miss that. What else, other than Red Lobster, are still offering those lobsters? We do have a Diddy update if you wanna jump into that one.

So, Sean Diddy Combs was arrested finally in New York after a grand jury indictment. Oh, he was, wow. So, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York released a statement on Monday saying, "'Earlier this evening, federal agents arrested "'Sean Combs based on a sealed indictment "'filed by the SDNY.

"'We expect to move to unsealed indictment in the morning "'and will have more to say at that time.'" So this happened last night. This is a federal investigation, correct? Yes. Just confirming this is not like the state police. Federal indictment. The federal government doesn't like,

they don't arrest people unless they have like, I think their like track record is 100% of people who they've convicted when they send to trial. So, seems like he might go to jail. Yeah. For a long time. Good, yeah. God willing, yeah.

All right, well, yay for justice on this one. Yeah, I mean, justice is also prevailing, or trying to prevail with the Ariana Maddox and something about her Katie Maloney drama. So we all know Chef Penny was suing the company for like promising salary and like the whole trademark of the name. So we do have a little bit of an update.

So according to court documents, Ariana and Katie denied all allegations of wrongdoing in the case brought by Penny in July. Their lawyer argued, plaintiffs failed to allege facts sufficient to support any claims for relief, including by failing to allege a justifiable controversy, asking the court to word Penny nothing from her complaint

and that the case be dismissed entirely. Well, from what I remember about the case, and you know, which is not much and I'm not a obviously a lawyer here but like from the get this seems like essentially kind of extortion from Penny because again if I remember correctly her husband is a lawyer and Penny was clever or smart enough or a little shady enough to go ahead and I don't know what conversation she had with Ariana or Katie about the trademark or if she did it behind their back or she did it in and good faith that they will have it but she filed it and now she owns the trademark. And it kind of reeks of now that i own the trademark and essentially on the right to this name value which is so all this margin yada yada she's trying to extort them for more money because in terms of the actual case,

it sure sounds like a game of she said she said. And there's no actual proof that any type of arrangements or promises were made, et cetera, et cetera. But I think she is banking on the fact that since she owns this trademark, she can try to leverage that. And it all just sounds kind of fucking shady. And like, just kind of go away, Penny.

I don't know, this is not your thing. Just because you know how to like run a restaurant or make a sandwich. Like, you guys agree to disagree and you decided to move on and stop sucking. That's, you know, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm glad that they're persistent about it though.

Like Ariana and Katy didn't just like give into it. Yeah, it seems shady, but yeah, I'm glad they're fighting it. I mean, to be dealing with what Ariana's dealing with legally must be so, I mean- It's like one after the other. So taxing, so stressful, so frustrating. No, truly, I mean, it really sucks. Like that's gotta be a miserable thing.

It takes forever. It's always hanging over your head. You just have to try to disconnect from the reality that you have people suing you. And even if you have lawyers and again, lawyers who ultimately will say, hey, like they don't have much of a case, but like whatever, like it's still stressful.

And the fact that she has to deal with this on multiple fronts is just, it is wrong. It's crappy. It's poopy. Do you cuss around River? Yes. Yeah. It's been done.

Well, cause she's not old enough to know what you're saying, right? No. Correct. But that is a... Until she says it. I think, you know, I feel like we will try to reel it in, but I think, you know... Might be tough. Might be really tough.

And I think, like, the way my sister did it is my sister, who has a sailor's mouth like I do, she was like, I have just taught her that like, this is grownup words and like, you don't say grownup words. And so her daughter has never like gone to school and been like, you every bitch, like repeating what her mom says. And so maybe I'll just try to take that route, but River might be like, haha, jokes on you.

My parents never swore in front of us. I really had great role models for parenting. And I have a vivid memory. I think I've told this story already in the past. But I had an absolute sailor's mouth as young as Verstur's end grade. I remember having an actual conversation with me, eight-year-old me. Are you eight years old when you're in the second grade?

I think so. And I remember thinking, you really swear too much, Nick. conversation with me, eight year old me. Are you eight years old when you're in the second grade? I think so. And I remember thinking, you really swear too much, Nick. Like this is ridiculous, you really need to stop. I'm in the second grade, I'm in the second grade and I'm like, this is unnecessary. Every time at recess, I'm trying to throw out an F-bomb or two.

That's great, and then I was the opposite. I had older siblings, everyone around me was cussing and I was like, I don't know, partake in that. So yeah, I mean maybe you're right. Maybe it's just my parents didn't swear and I still swore. You're gonna learn it. I don't know. Is that just justifying bad parenting? Probably. Maybe. We are gonna try not to swear. Because obviously we don't want to stop the moms and the parents out there from being able to enjoy quality programming like the Vile Files just because. We have such potty mouths. Yeah, we're gonna say poop instead.

I am not saying that, but yeah, we can figure out other words to say for sure. Wait, Nick, did you ever get soap to the mouth? Definitely was threatened soap to the mouth a couple times. There maybe was one time, but not really. I think there was way more threats. But again, I didn't swear on my parents. I definitely did not.

It was a hidden closeted swearer. So you were a bad kid at school, but a good kid at home? No, I just swore. I don't know why. And it certainly stuck with me. It certainly stuck with you for sure. I don't know what it is. I'm a pretty good guy.

I follow all the rules. I'm definitely a rule follower, but maybe it's the swearing that really makes me feel dangerous and like a rebel. Maybe. Everything else is just, I'm a boy scout. Like me, I was shoplifting left and right. Yeah, you were an actual criminal.

Okay. But really good grammar and just a real a deletante. Declatante, I think. What? Declatante? A declatante? Isn't a deletante like... You're thinking a declatayatant? A declatant? Isn't a delatant like... You're thinking a declatay.

Am I making up words again? Isn't a delatant like a... Declatant is this area. Declatant. Oh, wait, declatant. That's a declage. That's a deglage, yeah. Debutant, am I wrong?

No, a dec... No. Delatant is a word. What does it mean? What does it mean? A sheer thickening fluid, also known by the... Ah! Or a dek-la-taunt. No. De-la-taunt is a word. What does it mean? What does it mean? A sheer thickening fluid, also known by the... Ah!

We can end there. And what is a dek-la-taunt? What did I mean to say, debutant? No, I think dek-la-taunt. These words all sound the same, okay. Can you imagine all the university or professors or smart people out there who have given us an opportunity to entertain them this day

and they're just like... Stupid, yeah. I don't think dekan exists it does anyways well we can't even look upwards you know what you mean to say in your heart and that's what matters Mary what was your strongest subject in school English yeah and and now I don't know words so that's what being online can do for you kids yes yes don't know words. So that's what being online can do for you kids. Yes, yes, don't rot your brain. I used to be reading The Great Gatsby, given my opinions.

And now you're watching Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I would argue that the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is modern day Shakespeare. Thank you. Yes it is. It is truly one of the most incredible television shows I've ever seen in my entire life.

I was gonna say, I think you can do both because I'm reading Weathering Heights and I am a big SLC fan. Literally. Well, speaking of Salt Lake City, Ciara Barlow, you lost the second ring, right? And I can't find it. In New York Fashion Week?

That's crazy. She's gotta get her ring size. Why are they flying off? The first one was in the episode, and it came off in the bathroom. She was like what, pulling down her pants? Yeah. It's like- And that was like what, pulling down her pants? Yep. It's like.

And that was only $60,000, right? This one, she's in a dark nightclub, waving her hands like she just don't care, and it flies off. It was New York Fashion Week, and we know that Lisa's like the queen of film festivals, allegedly. So like.

Fashion Week's not. You think she's the queen of Sundance? She thinks she's the queen of Sundance. She does, yes. Proclaimed. I was gonna say, I wonder if you just walk up to Scarlett Johansson and then like, so are you hanging with the queen of Sundance this year?

She says, welcome to my party. In her defense, I think she supplies a lot of the Vita Tequila that's at these events. Vita Tequila. So she gets into Sundance events or whatnot. Should we be offended that Lisa insisted on referring to the Vile Files as the podcast when we know Lisa knows the name of our show?

I think it was like producers being like, we don't need to name drop over and over and over again because they kept saying the podcast. And could you imagine if they're like, the Vile Files, the Vile Files, the Vile Files. I mean, we could take that too, but yeah. I would love that. Yeah, we would have taken that. No, we would have.

It's known as the quote podcast. We are the podcast. It's so chic. I'll take it., we would have. It's a creative. As the quote podcast is so chic. I'll take it. It's so chic, it's so mysterious. Wait, we should make merch that just says the podcast. Yes. Dash Lisa Barlow. Well, for the audience listening,

Lisa Barlow did lose a second ring. New York Fashion Week, she was behind a DJ's booth, like flicking those fingers, and then happened to like flick her hand, and then the $100,000 ring went flying off her finger into the dark club of people. And they didn't find it till the morning after. Who found it?

So, one of the, like, the partners of, like, the DJ owner, or the club owner. So, she got it back? Got it back, yeah. That's how you know you had a good night at the club? Yup. You lose your ring? Could you imagine if the people who saw it

and thought it was, like Claire's ring was like, yes, I'm gonna step on that. Leave that on the floor. This stupid ass, yeah, what is this costume jewelry? And they just threw away $100,000 diamond. I will say, is it not party etiquette or club etiquette to not bring expensive stuff out? Well, how would everybody know that you're Lisa Barlow

and that you're really rich if you don't have your richness? Just show up on a fur coat. Nobody's snatching that in a club. I mean, in fairness to Lisa, they're all super famous right now. I imagine they walk into New York clubs with some clout. Oh yeah. You know, I mean, let's be real here.

I know we love to shit on Lisa sometimes. I know I do. I love Lisa. Lisa's my best friend. Yeah, don't speak for yourself. Sorry, I love to shit on Lisa. Yeah, speak for yourself. Sorry. She just has a tone.

Anyways, New York Fashion Week, Kathy Hilton dared Tiffany Haddish to walk down the Monzee runway during the show. So it might have been when nothing was happening or whatnot, but basically there's this video going around of Kathy daring Tiffany, saying, do it right now, there's nothing going on, just wave. And get the camera.

All right, what's the response of the public? I personally was now, there's nothing going on, just wave. And like get the camera. All right, what's the response of the public? I personally was like, I think that's cool, that's empowering, but then I can see a lot of the public where it's like. Empowering? Yeah, like she like dared Tiffany Haddish to walk the runway, she was like do it.

Why is that empowering? I mean, listen, I find it funny and great, it's a little middle school, I love that Kathy Hilton still has a childlike sense of playfulness But empowering? Yeah. Are we now just using the word empowering to know call anything that we think is funny Well, it's like selling sex toys empowering. It's just empowering Well, I think like Cathy Hilton giving you the stamp of approval to crash a runway is empowering. I don't know I feel like I don't know if empowering is the right word.

I mean, it might give you the confidence that you need because Kathy Hilton's giving you the green light for sure. Let's not take away the word of, the meaning of the word empowering, which I know, Lee, it's empowering. It's empowering. I'm shaking. I'm literally shaking up here

on the stage in New York Fashion Week. I just. I know that if Kathy Hilton told you to do anything, Justin, you would have the confidence anyone. I mean, if Kathy Hilton told you to throw a game winning touchdown, I would do it. You could do it. I understand. I can't throw a football. Yeah. But I still don't think it's empowered. I would feel empowered.

I just feel like it is a little disrespectful to the brand and the other models and the people, like the photographer, like everyone involved, it feels like maybe if it was at the end of the fashion show where people are like getting up and leaving, like that's cute and fun, but it seems like it was in the middle or before it started and I don't know. Listen, there's definitely a lack of consideration for how this joke would have landed with other

people involved. I mean, if you've ever been to Fashion Week, which listen, hold another conversation of the point of Fashion Week for a lot of people, but for those of who are involved, like these are short five, 10 minute shows tops, so much work and dedication goes into what is just a brief moment. And for Kathy Hilton to potentially fuck that up for someone, well we may not care or not even know the people involved and yes they may be privileged to be involved in Fashion Week, blah blah blah blah blah but you are definitely fucking with someone's like precious

moments in time for the sake of a goof around. Yeah. And, you know, I don't really care. But yeah, I think to Nellie's point, like, you know, if someone called her, say, I don't know, inconsiderate or a little like... I don't think she needs to issue an apology by any means. But yeah, I don't, I don't know if it's empowering. Well, question. I mean, this is the most respectful way to the brand, but did anybody know what Monze was before this happened? I mean, that's the-

I don't think anyone cares about the brand. I don't think that's what people are saying. I don't think people are like, oh my gosh, did you hear Tiffany walked the, what I don't even- Monze. Monze. Monze show.

I think they're just like like she got in a fashion show She like crashed New York Fashion Week. Like I feel like this isn't giving any like that's not the big take light Okay to Monday because for me it's like I didn't know who Monza was until I saw this so it's like, okay It's good publicity. Maybe unintentional but I feel like Tiffany had a show so like is no to kind of like be be out there doing things That draw a lot of attention whether that is good or bad attention. Listen, we love our celebrities Yeah, and I know we love to Glorify anything they do but yeah this I think this we could chalk this up as to bad behavior

And a little little messiness from miss Hilton. Mrs. Hilton, is it Mrs.? Yeah, Mrs. Hilton. The first time Kathy Hilton has ever instigated anything in her entire life. Never. She doesn't give a fuck, and I respect that about her. I will say that. I'm not praising her for it, that's for sure.

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Vibes or knowledge. Now cue the music. Brr brr brr brr. Dun dun dun dun. Would you want Kathy Hilton to be your coach? No, I mean, like what's the game? I'm just in general, in life. I don't think, no, I don't know.

I don't think that's her strength. You don't think she'd motivate you? She can fund my life coaching. Yeah. Did anybody ever see that Super Bowl commercial where it's like housewives on the field? Yeah. Yeah.

Sounds good. I think Kathy Olson would do good. I think she's a giant at anything she does. And to start off, we're talking about the New York Giants versus the Cleveland Browns. Okay. Giants versus Browns. Giants versus Browns.

So to start off with the Giants, their color scheme is white, gray, red, and dark blue. Okay. They don't have an official mascot. Boring. Also, they play in MetLife Stadium in New Jersey. I am very confused by the metropolitan tri-state area when it comes to sports. Why are all of these New York teams playing in New Jersey? Great question, Nick. Answer.

I believe it just has to do with like taxes and location. But yeah, the New York Jets and the New York Giants, which share the stadium, MetLife Stadium, both play in the great state and city of New Jersey. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Does New Jersey have sports teams? No. Do they have a football team? I think wherever Bruce Springsteen touches people's emotions, that a football team? I think wherever Bruce brings Dean touches,

people's emotions, that's your team. I copy that. They're the oldest team in the NFL. Okay, there you go. That don't have a mascot. I know. That's wild. I know.

They don't need one. They don't have a mascot. We're first. We should all have respect for the elders of our community. Senior citizens. If they're the oldest team in the NFL, then who did they play? Who created God if God created us?

It's like, you know, it's just like, who do the new giants play? Are they God? Maybe. Were they first? And then they created other teams to play against them? I think we could theologically argue that the New York Giants are a God.

Represent? Yeah. Speaking of God, many would claim that the Mara family who owns the Giants are the gods of the Giants. And you may know the name Mara from the actress Rooney Mara. Shut up. Who starred in the hit Todd Haynes film Carol. She owns the team? Rooney Mara is also married to Joaquin Phoenix, who was supposed to be in another Todd Haynes movie,

but then very, very dramatically dropped out. Is there a relation between the Mara family and the actress? Yeah. Or do they just have the same name? There is a relation. Yeah, no, she is part of that family. Rooney and Kate Mara. Yeah, Rooney and Kate Mara.

Yeah, they're like the daughter, granddaughter. Their family owns the team. Yes. She's an heiress of the Giants. She's not like fake related like Jen Affleck's husband. No. No, like real, real related. The Mara family and the Rooney family, and Affleck's husband. No. It's not related to Affleck's. Real, real related.

The Mara family and the Rooney family, I think there's some marriages between those families too. So technically Rooney and Kate Mara are like the heiresses of the Giants and the Steelers. Steelers. Good to know that if acting didn't work out. Exactly. Steelers.

Jesus. In 1934, the Giants won the championship in a famous sneakers game where the Giants switched from cleats to basketball shoes in order to gain better traction on the icy field. So that's pretty crazy. And speaking of basketball, the titan for the Giants, Darren Waller, was married to Olympic gold medalist and two time WNBA champion Kelsey Plumb of the Las Vegas Aces. A couple of months ago, they announced they were separating

and they asked for privacy. Then Darren Waller released a music video titled Who Knew? Parentheses Her Perspective. And it is one of the most incredible music videos I've ever seen in my entire life. I love that Nick knows everything. And then he retired.

And then he retired. And then he retired. The music video is everything. It has auto-tune. It has an actress who looks like the Love Island version of Olympic gold medalist Kelsey Plumb. A random bowling scene for no reason. And it's the worst song you've ever heard in your life. The next team in this game is the Cleveland Browns,

the only team in the league without a helmet logo, which is kind of demure. Minimalism. We love minimalism. Now, if you remember from last week, the Ravens, who you guys backed and they disappointed you, formerly was the Cleveland Browns. But again, remember they moved overnight to the city of Baltimore, renamed themselves the Ravens of Baltimore.

The city of Cleveland said, wait, we are still the Cleveland Browns and we still want a team. And so they got a new team and they renamed it once again, the Cleveland Browns. And so the Cleveland Browns, who used to be the Cleveland Browns are now the Baltimore Ravens. And now the Cleveland Browns are a new franchise

with a terrible owner and recently signed Deshaun Watson. And honestly honestly their vibes rancid. Rancid. Sounds like a go with the Giants. They have multiple mascots. Oh my god. Yeah.

They're making up for the Giants. The dog pound? They used to have a real dog named Swagger Jr. but he sadly passed RIP to a king. But they also have fake mascots that live forever. So they have a dog named Chomps and Loki doesn't seem like a good boy, but menace in like a really charming way. Yeah, he's kind of giving naughty But also handsome. Pood off the table He's jumping up on the counter for sure. I think he's very sweet

They also have another mascot who has my entire heart, Brownie the elf. I love them. Oh, I would die for him. Yeah. Incredible. What's the correlation to elves? Yeah. How are you going to know? I mean, he looks adorable. Yeah.

And that's the thing, despite the Cleveland Browns being unlucky with the owner that they have who make the decision to sign a piece of shit like Desirhan Watson, the good people of Cleveland have been riddled with nothing but heartbreak when it comes to their football franchise and team. And they do bring good vibes. Oh, Deshaun Watson plays for them? Yeah, we have to go with the Giants, guys. We absolutely cannot back Deshaun Watson.

We're just, to be clear, we're not backing Deshaun Watson by backing the good people of Cleveland. No, anyway. I'm gonna take the Browns. You're gonna take the Browns? I don't know, to take the brown. You're going to take the browns? I don't know. The Ravens lost. And they used to be the browns.

The browns? I have a hard time reading for the browns. Just because of the Steelers, my mom would always get very stressed out when we play the browns. So when I see those colors, I get anxious. But also, like, the Giants don't have anything that's, like, really pulling me in vibe wise. No mascot.

So I think purely because of Brownie the elf, I would go Brown. Interesting. Also the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is in Cleveland. The city of Cleveland has had some heartbreaking losses in the playoffs. They've had some good teams over the years, especially like in the 70s and 80s or whatever in the 90s. They move. And like three or four years later, they win the Superbowl, the Ravens.

Right after they moved, right after they left Cleveland. And then they won again. I think there's something in the water at Cleveland. And I don't know if y'all know this, but Deshaun Watson has been accused 27 times of SA. Oh, yeah. So, 27. Stick it with the Giants.

Sucks. So I feel like, as just like, since we're all beautiful women queens We go with our Giants, right? Back in okay. Okay game two We have the Denver Broncos versus the Tampa Bay Buccaneers So the Broncos their colors sunset orange orange a lot of orange in this game. Yeah, Midnight Navy and Summit White. Their mascot, Thunder, who is a live horse.

So that's fun, a live bronco. And then Miles. Is he treated well? Cute. Miles kind of scares me. Miles kind of looks like a hippopotamus. Yeah, Miles shows up figure right there. From the front, he looks like a hippopotamus. From the side, he figure right there. From the front, he looks like a hippopotamus.

From the side, he's giving horse. Yeah, a little like sleep paralysis demon, a little long legs. Yes, yes, I love his red mane. He's giving, isn't he giving long legs? If that thing was standing over me, no, no. Is their live horse treated well or is it animal cruelty?

Has to be treated well. I'm pretty sure that they do have to treat the animals well now. Hopefully. Hopefully. I cannot speak on that. Peyton Manning played for them for a little while after the cults.

That's who I'm with. Yep. We know him. We love him in those ads. He does do great ads. The painting one. Yeah. Well, he also has his places, Payton goes places.

He also owns like 50 Papa John's or something like that. Yeah, he's the new Papa John's guy after Papa John did not get a hot light Papa John. He made those weird things. Papa John turned out to be a little racist. I'm in a room of Payton fans. You like Payton? No, I was like y'all are named drop

in every Payton ad that's ever existed. Just watch a lot of TV. He's got good timing, you know, we love a comedic king. Anyway, one former player of the Denver Broncos, Shannon Sharp, recently made headlines and had some drama. He accidentally went live on Instagram having sexual relations with a woman named Michelle. I heard of this. Yes. That was crazy. This was like last week. At first he claimed that he was hacked, but that is of course, as we all know, not how Instagram Live works. And then he was like, it was an accident.

You don't see anything. No, it's just an audio. I've listened to it. Very silly. And it's, yeah. And then he did a whole podcast episode about it where like Ocho Synchal, formerly known as Chad Zanch and the receiver of the Cincinnati Bengals came on and at some point then he tried to defend

himself Shannon Sharpe and he was like no one was hurt in the recording of this audio and then he kind of looked down and gave him one of his smug like well and then he suggested that his partner in crime might want to utilize an ice pack. He did say that. Yeah, everyone laughed Well, if I if I can briefly mention the WNBA again comedy queen of the Las Vegas Aces Sydney Colson posted on Instagram her own tweet about this which was she called me Shannon Sharp when I put that pencil in Yeah, that's my Michelle got it stenciled on my skin and then the got it stenciled on my skin. And then the caption of that post was, good morning or rise and grind as at

Shannon Sharp 84 would say. He was referred to as Poppy in the audio recording. He was and that was really hard for me to hear personally. There was a, I'm just smacking. Okay you, stop. That's who's coming out of the Denver Broncos. Interesting. I will keep that in mind.

That was a celebration of love. It was. It's a beautiful natural thing. I thought we were all a part of it. It is a beautiful natural thing. ESPN has stood by their man. He has kept his job. That was a woman they would fire on the spot.

But anyways, going on. 100%. Anyway, the Tampa Bay Buccane fucking ears my hometown heroes their colors Buccaneer red future. Yes, you turn orange orange and black a lot of freaking orange I hate the Bucs uniforms. I hate that they're so ugly. They're good. Sometimes I Disagree just because they used to have these beautiful beautiful beautiful creamsicle orange uniform Oh, that's what I'm talking. Yeah, they hate yeah, that's what I'm talking yeah they had yeah that's what I was talking yeah that's what no I'm talking about the modern day ones that are like modern ones yeah gross they took something

so beautiful and they took it away. The creamsicle is cute. They also their buccaneer logo used to be like this beautiful like side swept bang guy and he was just constantly serving. And now it's a skull, which is also kind of cool, but like. Oh, the creamsicle is pretty with like the. Wait, the red one doesn't look bad though. Like it just looks red. Exactly. And Baker Mayfield is their quarterback, correct? Yeah, and Cleveland,

Baker Mayfield used to play for the Cleveland Browns. Yeah. The Cleveland Browns for whatever reason, gave up on Baker Mayfield. He had a bad season. Yeah, they were being dumb. Their owner had owner had no patience cut got rid of Baker then signed the terrible person that is Sean Watson mm-hmm and then Baker is thriving Thriving in Tampa Bay it's a real fu to the again

This is it's it's a for in Cleveland who's a Browns fan, this is just a continuation which is a nightmare to have drafted Baker Mayfield, give up on him, and then have him thrive somewhere else while you are stuck with this terrible person in the worst contract in the history of sports. Isn't it like 200 million, five years guaranteed? Guaranteed, all guaranteed. So like, they,

Cleveland Browns can't cut them. It would financially destroy their franchise. It's terrible. The Cleveland Browns can't cut them it would financially destroy their franchise it's terrible the Cleveland Browns and the good people believe in our suffering once again they don't deserve it competence so it's feeling like we're definitely gonna go Buccaneers are we had it right over the horses though the bucks mascot is a little freak named Captain fear I love a little freak he is exactly the kind of guy you see walking down the street in Tampa Bay.

This is the sleep paralysis. I don't know what y'all are talking about. Those eyes. He's creepy. I'm with Natalie on that. Is he wearing braces? No, he just doesn't have, he looks like he has a little bit of an underbite maybe.

I don't know. The teeth don't, the mouth doesn't close all the way, but he is a pirate. He looks sweet. I do have a pirate. They are playing in Tampa. And I will say at Raymond James Stadium, they have like this big pirate ship. And when they like score and stuff goes boom.

This mascot is someone sweet old uncle. He is very like that is a Florida man right there. I'm voting for the Buccaneers. Can I tell you one last thing about them? Because they did purchase Tom Brady. They purchased him? He just signed with the Buccaneers. But they did purchase him. Yeah. He was a free agent. Yeah. He was available for purchase. Copy that. And they gobbled him up. Interesting. And he won a Super Bowl and I'm still mad about

it. I like the Buccaneers. I think I like the Buccaneers too, right? I'm cool with the Bucks now that Tom Brady isn't anymore. I'm a Tom Brady hater. When pirates are hot so I'm like okay. Exactly. Aye aye Captain. Pirates are hot, so I'm like, okay. Exactly. Aye aye captain. Pirates are hot. What about you? I know what the Buccaneers do as well. Let's go.

This is a season long, we're adding, right now you guys are one in three and I'm two in two. Well, let's see. What did we do Buccaneers and? We picked the bucks and we picked the giants. And the giants, giants and the bucks. Yeah. First Leaf is a wine box subscription service.

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Like, we're cool about it. Like, we're not like, holy fucking shit. Like, we're not freaking out. We're like, oh yeah. Well, I wasn't freaking out, but I just like, pat on the back. Toss. Listen, we hit Lifetime. We hit Bravo. You guys got Gypsy Rose.

You guys got... We got Johnny Depp and Amber Heard documentary. Netflix. Yeah, Netflix. We're all over Netflix. There you go. Johnny Depp, yeah. Hello. That's awesome.

We are pop culture. We are changing culture. Nick, I have a surprise for you. Can I have one minute? Yes. Okay, wow. What is this? Team Whitney.

What does your shirt say? Well, it says, bitch, I'm blessed because Whitney and I are blessed, but this is the color scheme of Whitney in this episode He couldn't go further talking about Salt Lake City as if you were supporting Lisa Barlow He needed to show that he supports Whitney. Yes. Okay. Yes, of course It's episode one of season five of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. What a great intro I just the people who produce and edit and do everything about this franchise really just seem to be a cut above the rest of the Bravo franchise.

Is that fair to say, at least with Housewives, there's something poetic about this show. They're known for their editing. Like Salt Lake City doesn't hold back on the cheesy choir and what is it, the Howdy standoff edit that they had in this episode? And why shouldn't they? I mean, I love that they lean into it.

It also went, by the way, did it feel like in the intro, like we were just in Salt Lake City almost? It was like, wait, we were just here. Like after just watching Mormon Housewives, it really just felt like we were just visiting. And like, you know, sometimes when you go to a place and then you don't expect to go back so soon, that's kind of how it felt like watching Salt Lake City

after watching Mormon Housewives. But alas, we are in the exciting city watching Salt Lake City after watching Mormon Housewives. But alas, we are in the exciting city of Salt Lake. Fresh off of the exile of Monica, we have two new ladies who are joining the cast. What are their names again? Bronwyn. Brittany. Brittany and Bronwyn.

What do we think of the new ladies? One, they seem to hate each other. I like Bronwyn, I'm not gonna lie. I love somebody that comes in hot. The fashion extra. She's the big red, her, Rihanna, I like Bronwyn, I'm not gonna lie. I love somebody that comes in hot. Fashion. She's the big red. Her, Rihanna, and a museum on that red. YSL.

YSL furry thing that she wore to the Galentines. I gotta say, that was pretty ugly. I understand maybe I'm not the fashion person or police, but that really did give costume. It really did. It really looked completely different on Rihanna, I will also say that. I think maybe it's because Rihanna only wore the heart,

and so it was kind of like a little mini dress, and Bronwyn wore it as like a jacket, like an overcoat. Where did Rihanna wear it? I don't know, she was paparazzi'd on the streets of New York. Oh, she was just wearing it out. Yeah. Correct, yeah. Oh, okay. And I feel like she wore it on a magazine cover,

but I might be wrong. And she had like a baseball cap on, like Rihanna looked cool. You know, Rihanna looked like she was like, oh, let me just throw this on, like whatever, I don't care. Okay, she's Rihanna, she's a rock star, and she's not a housewife from Salt Lake City showing up to a activation.

Gowen times. Yes. But I'll tell you, I love anybody that takes a risk and she's out there. Listen, that's the thing. Who the fuck am I? Wasn't for me, but she wasn't dressing for me. But hey, pop off. I felt Brittany definitely put her foot in her mouth

a couple times with Mary. In that conversation specifically. In that specific conversation. She has so much time to redeem herself, but I just feel like for the first episode, I was like, mm. I feel like I'm going to really like her, but I do kind of wish she maybe would have had a different... Like when they were having that conversation with Mary

and Mary's like being Mary, I wish Brittany would have maybe shown a little bit more, like stood her ground maybe a little bit more, like stood her ground maybe a little bit more, but she was just like, oh, well, that's, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to, you know, as she was, it felt like she was, she was not taking the Katie approach of, you know. Confidence. Maybe.

Yeah, I don't know. She just, I feel like she, I feel like she wasn't trying to be offensive and then do you, or do you think the costume was a deliberate line? The costume was deliberate, but I think the poor comment wasn't. Yeah, that's when things got awkward. Okay, you think that she was trying to be sassy with the costume? I don't think she was.

I think she just was, it's a big ass heart and she's like, oh my gosh, I love your, I don't feel like it was malicious at all. But you only call someone or tell someone they're wearing a costume in Halloween, right? Yeah. Like out of any other context at a party, you're not gonna be a costume.

If it's a themed party. But it wasn't a themed party. It's Valentine's Day, it's Valentine's Day party and she shows up wearing a heart. That's a costume. I don't think so. Like, if you're not, and like I understand we're dealing with housewives and housewives generally

are into fashion and I understand that Rihanna housewives and housewives generally are into fashion. And I understand that Rihanna wore it and it is fashion and I'm not trying to despair the designer at all, but it's a heart, it's a literal heart. It was a literal fuzzy heart and it looked like a costume on Valentine's Day. If that person shows up, you just think this is a person with a great sense of humor,

not great fashion sense, right? To me it's kind of like, oh my gosh, you leaned in. Like you're wearing like a big fuzzy heart. Like you, you know? Yeah, I mean, I agree. I'm gonna cut on Justin's side where it's just like, obviously these women take their fashion sense so seriously that I'm like,

I can see how that would be offensive being like, oh, I love your costume. Where it's like, obviously there's, everyone's wearing hearts on Valentine's day. Like she's just really went for it. So I don't know. If there's an outfit or Rihanna, a museum and you own it, I mean, as foolish as that might be,

you want people to know that you're the third person. You know, like there's no way you can't be obnoxious about it. It's me, Rihanna, the Smithsonian. Like what a flex. I guess I'm just waiting for someone for Mary to meet her match. I don't know if that exists. Jen was her match.

Jen Shaw. Jen Shaw. Oh, Jen Shaw. She was removed. Mary left the show. Mary's back. And like everybody's afraid of Mary. Is it that everyone's afraid of Mary or is it just that Mary? She just does whatever she wants? Right?

And we need this comedy, you know? We do need the comedy. You need the comedy. And I think the show's just willing to put up with it. Like the whole line about her being like, putting roles in her purse, and she's like, that had to happen recently. You're not carrying a purse when you're a kid.

Like, was so funny. That's what I'm saying, her match? I mean, is there her match? Like, there's no. I guess someone who can just like fire back like Mary can. I don't know, like someone who's just like quick to. Mary's not doing it to be mean or snarky. Or funny.

It's just, or even to be funny. It's just her truest self. And it's fascinating and wonderful. And that's why I think we love it is it reads, I mean, or she's a genius and this incredible actor, but I think she just reads it so authentic and it's so great. It's just so wonderful.

There's no brain filter. You just take it because it's so special and it can't be replicated. Everyone else, it's replaceable. Like Monica is crazy as wonderful as Monica was, that's not hard to replicate. Because we know that playbook. It's just a willingness to just insert yourself,

to be loud, and Monica's fearless. Yeah, fearless, you can find fearless. Mary's, it's not fearless in Mary. It's just a true uniqueness. It's a special, special thing. It is sacred. And that's what makes it Mary. No, you have a point.

I think I retract the being afraid of. I think it's that she's authentic and people don't know how to like reciprocate that authenticity on the same level. She'll tell you exactly how she feels about you and without any qualms to your feelings or thoughts about it. And she's not even trying to hurt your feelings. It's just honest.

She looked Heather in the face and said, I think you look inbred and like meant that. That is actually an insane thing to say, but it's Mary. But that's what I'm saying. I love that about like, I didn't love Heather this episode. Heather seems to be a great number two.

Like she was Jen Shaw's little homie. And now episode one, she's giving like, what does Lisa want? She's giving like, are we- Yeah, that whole gang up on Whitney was pretty gross. Ridiculous. Again, maybe I'm missing context or whatever. That being said, I love how Heather's approach to Mary is,

like just take whatever she gives you. It's funny. It doesn't matter if she calls you an inbred, now she likes you because she seemingly you've lost some weight. You just, I want Mary to, I want Mary to talk some shit on me. You know what I'm saying?

I wanna meet Mary and- You wanna be read by Mary. Well, I have met Mary and she insisted that River was gonna be a boy, but it was just authentic and wonderful. And we just enjoyed the interaction that was meeting Mary. And I just, whatever Mary wants to offer me, I'm willing to receive with open arms and graciousness whatever that is you

know because what it is is an authentic perspective and I just want to see how Mary sees me and I am I am brave enough and and and secure enough and who I am to just take it and and I think it'll feel like the warm and fuzzies and one would say that she does change her opinion quite easily. I'm like her and Angie being best friends this season. Oh my God, I love that. But it makes sense, because Angie got the lipstick off her teeth.

Something so little. As soon as you show, yeah. Well, that's why, yeah. Mary just wants to be who Mary is and she wants people to lay off of her. Lisa's the opposite of Mary. I don't, who is Lisa? Who is Lisa Barlow?

Do we know? I don't know. I don't know, but did y'all see that in the credits, it does say Lisa Barlow has a partnership with Wendy's? Yeah, she's always had a partnership. She has one with Diet Coke right now too. She's the queen of like fast food partnership in the most respectful way.

I want one with Diet Coke. It was iconic to see Mary tell Angie to switch the cards when Brittany was gonna sit next to her in front of her. She was like, Angie, switch it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Poor Brittany.

What was up with Heather this episode? Did you guys pick up on what I picked up on? I will say, I don't like Heather in this episode, but I do think she deserves credit in the sense of she's not owning a number two because like every season she is the voice of narrative throughout a season. Like she's the one narrating the intros and like the outros and the trailers usually. Okay.

So I think she's just perceptive and like sits back and then responds. I mean, hot take Heather's my least favorite. Well, same. Yeah, she's my least favorite too. But why do you hate Heather so much? No, not hate, right? I don't hate Heather. I just think she contradicts herself a lot.

And I think that she backs the worst people and then isn't willing to listen to people. She won't let other people defend themselves once she comes up with the narrative about that person, but yet expects a lot of grace and forgiveness or I don't know, from other people. So that's where I'm just like, I feel like she contradicts herself a lot.

You'll defend Jen till the end, but heaven forbid, listen to Whitney. Yeah, and when did Whitney become this big liar that Meredith, Lisa, and Heather are all coming at? Like what, where is this all coming from? I mean, everything they said was, I think they did it in a horrible way and Whitney didn't deserve it,

but they all said things that have happened throughout the seasons that Whitney was somehow correlated with. Sure. Whitney's made mistakes, like all, I mean, this is a messy group. So messy, yeah. They've all made mistakes and I think Whitney's point was,

what are we doing here? I've apologized, I've been held accountable, we've addressed all this. Like it seemed like they're- They're just bringing it up to be making. It felt like there were two sides, right? There was Lisa, the gang leader, and for whatever reason, Meredith and Heather

seemed to have signed up for this. Mary's being married, and Angie, and then you have Whitney, just being honest about her feelings about Lisa and some of the women, and again, I don't know why, Heather, she always seems to need to be on someone's side. Like she can't stand alone. Well, the idea that four women are yelling

at the top of their lungs, on top of each other to tell Whitney what she's done to them. And it's like, take a turn. That was great editing. You don't think that they were all just yelling at her at the table? I think it was side by side. Honestly, like it was so much editing in that.

It was beautifully shot. It just seemed like one person would say something, the next person would say something, and it's just like, Yeah, but it was so edited that it honestly almost gave forced scene, and to be totally honest, the way it was edited, it was so cut up that,

you know what I'm saying? I don't know. I'm not saying it was fake, but the way it was shown to us is like, we have really, we really don't know how that started, how it escalated, who said what, just because it was so caught up and was such a montage. But you could see all three of them talking at once.

Yeah, and then you had Angie sitting there being like, this is too much, that says to me that at least in that period of time, whether they were speaking over each other or like one after the other, they're all coming at Whitney and it's like how she's supposed to defend herself against one person, let alone four people. And it's like you're all grown women, you're not getting your point across by screaming at her.

I will say for the heather of it all, and maybe this is a wild take, sometimes I feel like she's a producer plant. I do too, sometimes. So I give her the credit of narrating the seasons. That being said, I feel like she narrates it because she's willing to say what the producers want her to say. And she's always the one being like, okay, I'll bring this tea to the table. I'll throw this person under the bus. I'll defend this person.

I think we need to change our lingo. We need to start saying producer pet, not producer plant. Producer plant makes it seem like they hire them. And again, I don't know how Bravo compensates their talent. That being said, like, yeah, it does seem like Heather is this goody goody two shoe, teacher's pet, producer's pet, who's just kinda willing to do and say whatever. And it really felt like at the very end of the episode where Whitney got up and kinda left, where Heather threw up her arms in almost like,

I can't believe this is happening, it really gave acting, it honestly did. It gave performance a little bit. Maybe I'm misreading it, but it just seemed inauthentic coming from Heather. I don't know. I just, it is hard to tell. I don't have a, I like Heather.

I find her observations to be actually right often. I like that she seems willing to talk about some of her, you know, past and history. And she doesn't come across as, like what bothers me most about Lisa, which is like the facade, not being able to go anywhere without makeup. It's so just whatever.

Like Heather doesn't give that, but yeah, every once in a while lately, the more I watch Heather, it's more like, I don't know, is this Heather talking or is this Heather just being a good employee? And it's hard for me to trust someone like that where every once in a while it reads performative. It's interesting too,

because she always goes after Whitney. Like, because Whitney and them used to be best friends. They were bad weather is what they were kind of coined as the first two seasons. And now it's every second Heather is like making up with Whitney, but then throwing her under the bus in front of the group, which is what happened to her. Or like competing with friendship.

I mean, Lisa operates like someone who's like, you know, has a mean girl vibe or, she just gives kind of bully a little bit, doesn't she? She does give bully, yes, I think you can say that. She does give bully, like at that table with Whitney, she was being a bully, for sure. Well, and Lisa raises her voice and points her fingers. I feel like if I was in Whitney's position

and someone was doing that to me, that is Mean Girl. And standing up when you're sitting down, it's like... Take a seat. You know, yeah. What was Lisa's point? She's not allowed to talk about her at all? Well, Lisa was saying she lied, but Whitney kept asking, what did I lie about? Tell me what I lied about. She's alluding to Whitney saying that Lisa was a new villain on our podcast, but... Whitney gave an opinion on this show,

and that was Whitney's point. And I loved her analogy, which is this like, you know, her opinion that water is wet and diet coke is, you know, yeah, the diet Pepsi, diet coke analogy. Like it's someone's opinion that diet coke might be better than diet Pepsi. And Lisa's calling that person a liar. What great analogy.

But that's what Lisa's doing. It's just like, what? Lying. You're just saying a word over and over, doesn't make it true, she gave an opinion, she thinks you're this, you're that, you're a bully, you're a mean girl, you're a villain, and you disagree, that's fine.

Not a liar, not the same, and then yeah, bringing up old arguments of time she might have lied, as if none of them have lied, it was it was yeah, it just gave gave yuck. It's too much. But I'm disappointed. Why? Why are they backing? Why is the show or Heather backing Lisa in this moment? But they had that weird thing last season, too, where it was like Whitney and Heather

like competing for Lisa's friendship almost. Which is now out the window. Yeah. Whitney could care less. But I don't know. It's like this weird thing where I guess maybe Heather won that fight, so now she feels like she needs to back Lisa. I don't know, I'm kind of agreeing with Nick

on the whole kind of needing to be a number too, because she did that with Jen. Even Jen was in prison, gave her black eyes, allegedly, and then it's still defending that person until people are like, why are you defending her? And she's like, all right, must find new queen B, Gretchen Wieners. I mean, I do give, Heather deserves some credit though,

because she would give people the benefit of the doubt. Not Whitney. Not Whitney. Exactly. Not Whitney. But like everybody else should be like, if everybody's ganging up on you, let me hear you. She's not Tamra. You know, she's not someone who's just relentlessly going after anyone who's down bad a little bit. It just get, you know, recently Heather with her relationship with Jen.

And now we see this episode, yeah, it just seems like she's only really willing to go after someone if she knows she's like supporting someone else doing it. Right. You know, unless it's like, you know, it's just like, I don't know, maybe we're misreading it. I also felt bad for Whitney too

because I just feel like this girl can't win no matter what because it was like Meredith coming at her about bath bombs and I was like, if we have one more disagreement about what goes on in a bath. The Meredith one was insane. So what's your deal with the bath bombs? Because you heard me say at the reunion that I was going to do bath bombs. And it's like, you don't have a trademark

over the entirety of bath bombs. Then come to find out that Whitney has been doing it for years. With Iris and Bo her original company. Yeah, it's like. I didn't know that I wasn't aware of that. OK, because your drama sounds stupid. So technically Whitney had it first.

Exactly. No, it was funny and Meredith knew it. Like as soon as she brought it up, she was like, well, I don't, she said something else and you could tell Meredith. I wasn't informed of that. She had no more argument. And then all of a sudden, who came up to Meredith?

Angie came up to her, brought up the scroll. Love it. And Meredith, you could tell, look, Meredith was looking around, clearly pissed off at producers being like, this is not what I fucking signed up for. We did not agree on this fucking scroll. It was awesome.

Because the thing is too, Meredith is so strategic with what she says, because she was a lawyer. Yeah. That it's like, she'll, like when it's a situation like that, she kind of goes mute, because she's trying to like formulate her comeback,

and then she'll wait till later to make sure she doesn't like slip up. No, this girl killed me. She's like the George Costanza who thinks of the joke like three days later. Yeah. Angie is iconic. I will say. I will say. She's a sniper with her words and she doesn't,

like she's down to goof around. I think that's why it makes sense with Mary. Yeah, Meredith should be thankful for Angie because I was like if your storyline this season was breast reduction and bath bombs, like at least Angie Kate's giving you something. So if it's Angie Mary Whitney Brittany versus Heather Lisa Meredith and Rowan,

I am team Whitney Mary all the way. Same. Nick, can you reenact Whitney's healed line and transition us into the Bachelorette? You wanna see the healed neck? All right, it's time for Golden Bachelor. Like that? Sure.

Well, to no one's surprise, we cried. I sobbed. It was so good. You can just always tell when they give more shits about one particular season or lead than others. You know, that soundtrack, what was the song that they played in the intro? Casey Musgraves.

Oh yeah. Was it? No, was it? Yeah, no. When she was talking about her husband who passed. Hanging over your head, that was Casey. No, Nick's talking about a different point, it was a male singer.

It's Phil Collins, Please Take Me Home. It's such an emotional uplifting song Like, when she's telling her story and she's talking about finding love, I was beside myself. And was I the only one crying through that sequence? It was a beautiful intro. It was beautiful. I feel like Joan is the perfect bachelorette.

Please take me home. Yeah, and you can tell these guys were very much picked for her, like came there for her. Ugh, I was smiling the whole time. I don't think I've watched something so wholesome in a minute. No, me neither. No, there was not one man that I was like, ugh.

I loved all of them. I did. I was really worried. I wasn't sure what kind of men they would be able to find, but first impressions, fantastic. We were way off on the cowboy rodeo guy. Yeah. We really fawned over him.

Yeah, she definitely was not. Did he go home? No. He went home. Did he? Yeah. Or did he get the last rose? No, the last rose went to Jack.

The last rose went to, I love him. Love him. Oh my God. He might be the only guy I'm comfortable with singing and serenading a lead on this show. Now he still wasn't a huge fan. But, did he win you over? Yeah, yeah, he won me over.

Like, the singing just makes me uncomfortable. But like, I think he has a great personality. I think like, I wish his title was chef instead of caterer. Yeah, why caterer? Because it seems like he's definitely more of a chef. The way he is. I don't like that, I promise. Oh, that was my favorite.

Yeah, he's so cute. Oh my God, and Charles, is it Elle? Uh-huh. Was he the gardener who brought a photo album of his garden? No, no. Wait, can I just say about, was it Jack? Jack, yeah.

Jack is the hair. When he was looking around the mansion being like, how cool is this? How amazing? And I was just like, ah, the way that he's just finding gratitude for like every small moment. He's like, I hope I'm here longer,

but I'm gonna cook dinner forever. Like, I'm like, you, standup guy, obsessed, big fan of Jack, just have... That is what makes this show so good. And I just feel like maybe, I don't know, maybe the franchise has just moved on. Maybe this franchise was meant for the golden era. Yeah.

The level of appreciation with everyone in this cast, the second chance, not just at love. You could just tell these are a large group of people who, again, when you get older, society just forgets about you. Joan's talked about this when her husband passed. It's just like people don't notice people you get older society just forgets about you. Jones talked about this when her husband passed. It's just like people don't notice people who get older. They just, the ageism is crazy in our society. It just is and yeah listen,

but when you're part of that group of people gets old and like people like if you're from the Midwest and you're from the South, I talk about this with friends. I mean thank God, you know we're lucky enough to have moved out to the coast where like, when you get older, people don't act like you should just give up. But there's like a bit of a culture in the Midwest

and the South that you go to high school, you go to college, you fall in love, you have a couple kids and then you just start dying. You know, that this attitude of like, if a guy wants to do something in his 40s, they call it a midlife crisis. If a woman does, you know, wants to go back to his 40s, they call it a midlife crisis. If a woman wants to go back to school, again, midlife crisis or whatever. There's an expectation in our society that you get to a certain age, you just start fucking dying, which is not the case.

You get older, you can take care of yourself 50, 60 years old, and you see all these groups of people, all these men and Joan, the second chance at something exciting to take a risk, to do something out of their comfort zone. These people haven't done stuff like this in years and the exhilaration that you feel from all these people is just so inspiring. It's just so great. And I just hope that like, whether you're old watching this

or you're young watching this, that you like, that we take some of this inspiration and enthusiasm and excitement from these group of people because that's the best part about this show, is you see this pure sense of excitement and purpose as opposed to, you know, no one's performing. Just no one is performing. These people don't know what Instagram is.

No one's here to start a podcast or figuring out what their next move is. They're here for this experience of a lifetime, and it's awesome. The camaraderie between the men too. I'm like, Joe has such a good group of guys and they're all just so supportive of each other when they were playing the videos and everyone's like hugging each other and patting each other on the back, giving each other compliments.

Like I'm like, I could watch this for a year straight. Like I want none of them to leave the house. I love them all so much. It felt like when Pascal like realized that the first impression rose and he was like, oh, I was so nonchalant. I would have been more chelant. It felt like if that were to happen in regular Bachelor, like he would be the villain and all the guys would be like,

fuck you dude, like, what the hell? But they all just joked with him and laughed with him and it just felt so wholesome and I don't know. It's so sweet. No, Charles, is it L or K? Thereolesome and I don't know. It's so sweet. No, Charles, is it L or K? There's Charles L and Charles K. Charles K was the pushups and dropped the cane and Charles L married for 36 years.

Yeah, Charles L, I want to protect him at all costs. He is the sweetest, most angel, human I've ever seen on my television and I love him. When his daughter zoomed in? Yeah. Oh my God, he's an angel. He is an angel. And he's so funny when he's like,

I'm 66, but I look 36. It's just like he, I love him. You can tell that he shares that optimism with his daughter because when his daughter zoomed in, she was like, whenever you're like in a difficult position, like just crack a joke and then move on. What you said to me when I went to college. Yeah.

No, he was- Of the montage of the children, I was an absolute wreck. I mean, I don't know, maybe it's the new dad in me, but I'm just envisioning River saying nice things about me. Just the sense of pride. They were proud of their parents and the parents are simultaneously, just every time you look at your kid, just proud of, I don't know, just the sense of pride. They're proud of their parents and the parents are simultaneously just every time you look at your kid,

just proud of, I don't know, the pride. I was just like, it was, I was a mess. I was absolutely sobbing. It was really pathetic of me. I mean, I wanted to cry too. I'm not a father and I was like, this is so sweet. You wanted to cry though. Yeah, I was like, just the idea.

Even, I mean, I'm a mama's boy, so I'm sure if I watched The Golden Bachelor and that happened, I would like be bawling. But something about like fathers having good relationships is like really wholesome, I'm a mama's boy, so I'm sure if I watched the Golden Bachelor and that happened, I would be bawling. But something about fathers having good relationships is really wholesome, I think. Because we don't see that on TV very often. Yeah. So I was just like, oh. No, it was so sweet.

Who do y'all feel like is going to be her front runner? I feel like definitely Keith. Like, first impression Rose, I felt like they, like the way she's like, I can see him with my friends and my family and playing like cornhole at the beach. Like it just felt very natural between the two of them. It was the only person that you saw any type of actual chemistry with.

It's interesting because we all know that the Bachelorette's historically have a very strong track record of giving their winner the first impression rose. I wonder if Joan will follow suit or, you know, being the golden batch red or maybe she plays it a little bit differently. I think Chalk is a sneaky front runner. Do you? I just want to say also, I couldn't tell.

It also made it sound like maybe Joan hated him. He was really nervous. But like, I don't know, he's she likes tall men. He hates the short kings. All the short ones went home. And our first impression Rose is the biggest guy there, tallest guy there, he's like six five they said. Chalk also, I mean they have some also,

they have very successful men here. A couple like banking CEOs, insurance executives, these men are, some of these men are fucking loaded. Chalk's loaded. A couple of these other guys you can tell by their professions, absolutely loaded. Pascal told us he's loaded. Pascal wanted us to know he's loaded. A couple of these other guys, you can tell by their professions, absolutely loaded. Pascal told us. Pascal wanted us to know.

Pascal showed us. He's like, come to my Mecca. I mean, he's probably loaded, but Pascal kind of gives like the appearance of loaded, but also might be in terrible financial debt. I don't know. He's a charmer. He's definitely a charmer. But some of these guys, like you can tell, Joan's got a rich couple, some rich options for sure.

If she wants to go rich, she can definitely go rich. But none of this like Gary nonsense. She's got some real rich people. Kelsey's dead. And some still. He's a front runner too for sure. He got the third rose, right? I'm keeping tabs on him.

I think he's gonna go really, really far. He also had a clip in the teaser of him being like, I'm falling in love again or something. Or I saw Mockingjay and it was a symbol or something. So. So sweet. I'm so excited about this, you guys. Other than first impression Rose guy,

who is your secret front runner? I'm gonna go Chalk. Mark. And you can't pick Kelsey's dad. I'm going Dan. I just did. Can't. Damn, okay.

I think Charles L. I think Pierre is the April of the season. Pierre, who's that? Pascal? Pascal's the April. You know how April was just absolute great comic relief, but there's no connection between her and Gary. No actual chemistry.

That's a good point, yeah. I'm voting for Mark, but if I can't, then I'll do Greg with two Gs. Greg with two Gs. Greg with two Gs. I'm excited. Nick, I'm with you, what you said earlier. It's like as a younger person watching this,

like I've only seen one bachelor season, one bachelorette season, where I feel like we see immature, like toxic relationships, like between the cast, but this is like a genuine mature men that are competent men that are genuinely here. So I'm excited to watch it.

Yeah, I hope we all learn a little bit from these people, from these golden people about life and perspective and what really matters in life. Because I think it's a wholesome show. It's a, I don't know why it took us so long to do this. It's brilliant, it's awesome, it's amazing. I'm such a fan. It's such a contrast to what else they're putting out.

Michael bringing the photo album of his garden cured something in me that I didn't know I needed cured. And I am also scouting for the men for my mother when my mother joins Golden Bachelor. I was gonna say. And I think Michael is great for her. Are you submitting your mom for next season? I saw that commercial.

Yes, 100% sitting my mom on Golden Bachelor. Yes! All right, well that wraps it up. We are back! Next week, we got a great week of reality recap episodes lined up. We're also gonna re-release the episode of Whitney Rose for all your Salt Lake City fans out there who are wondering what the heck Whitney said about Lisa.

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