The Viall Files - E817 - RHOC’s Gina Kirschenheiter, Shannon vs Joel Kim Booster, Nick’s Birthday Weekend, and Ellen Returns

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Bravo’s Gina Kirschenheiter joins us to give her perspective on the season… pre-reunion! How's her relationship? Is Shannon Beador in the wrong? And where does she stand with Emily Simpson? We dive into it all, including Chappel Roan pulling out of the All Things Go Festival, Ellen DeGenerous returning to the spotlight, Angie Katsanevas clapping back at Lisa Barlow, and Justin’s drama with Sally Beauty Supply.  “There are a few things that literally happened in front of me and my kids, that literally were just really scary.” ALSO… Buy our exclusive “The Podcast” merch: https://viallfiles.myshopify.com  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Ibotta - Right now, Ibotta is offering our listeners $5 just for trying Ibotta by using the code VIALL when you register. Hinge - Get on Hinge today to start turning good convos into great dates!  HelixSleep - Helix is offering up to 20% off all mattress orders! Go to https://www.HelixSleep.com/Viall  Goodwipes - To learn how to enter go to https://www.goodwipes.com/sweepstakes or if you just want to try goodwipes head to Walmart, Target, Kroger or your local grocery store to pick up a pack today! Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @ginakirschenheiter @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:07 - Cellphones 02:04 - Birthday 14:19 - Purple Hair 21:11 - Vibes Or Knowledge Results 21:34 - Maggie Smith 22:12 - Straws 23:54 - Ellen 32:42 - Lana Married 34:50 - Menendez Brothers 43:23 - Kristin Breakup 45:02 - Chappell Roan 48:46 - Housekeeping 53:11 - Gina Interview 01:28:27 - RHOSLC 01:33:35 - RHOC Recap 02:06:45 - Outro

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pop culture moms, find it wherever you get your podcasts. You're crazy. What's going on everybody? I'm your host, Kirsten. I'm your host, Kirsten. I'm your host, Kirsten. I'm your host, Kirsten. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick joined by the household.

Happy October everybody. Yay. I told you, I'm so glad that we decorated for fall and Halloween before we left because we came back and it is fall. Yes. Spooky season. I told you I'm so glad that we decorated for fall and Halloween before we left because we came back and it is fall. Yes, thank God. Yes, our house was appropriately decorated upon our arrival.

Exactly. To a wonderful fall ambiance. What kind of fall ambiance? Is it like orange or is it like white beige pumpkins? Both. Both. Yeah, a little more orange. But it's mostly fall beige pumpkins. Both vibe. Both. Yeah, a little more versatile. But it's mostly fall beige aesthetic.

Cute. Yeah. For some like porcelain, spooky pumpkins with candles inside of them. Porcelain. Right, are they porcelain? Are they not porcelain? Sounds like you hate them.

Ceramic. No, no, no, no, I love. You know who I hate this morning? Verizon Rialis. They're experiencing some, is it the end of the world? It might be. This is kind of scary. For me. Verizon is having company-wide outages.

This might be solved by the time you're hearing it, but like, fuck you, Verizon. Do your job. So what happened to you then? Cause last week my phone stuck on SOS on my way in to work this morning. And I did what most people do in those situations is I turned off my phone.

I did that several times. I know, I didn't do that once. That's okay. I troubleshoot for the both of us, dear. There you go. That didn't solve the problem. And then I came in to the office and Justin said he was having the same problem. A week ago, we were at the Tennessee Titans game as I was upon retrieving my tickets to get in the stadium. It stopped working. For a moment, but turning it off and turning it back on

seemed to relieve the problem. Oh, I didn't know that that happened to you. You were calm as a cucumber. Well, you know, I am cool under pressure, as they say. Hell yeah, you are. Not always. You wanna talk about your birthday and how amazing of a weekend you are?

Oh my God, so amazing. It's always better when you have a daughter and a wife to enjoy it with. It really makes it special. What'd you do? Oh my God, so amazing. It's always better when you have a daughter and a wife to enjoy it with. It really makes it special. What'd you do? I relaxed. Oh. Yes. How was that?

Wonderful. Possible? It was a dream, an absolute dream. That's all I wanted to ever do. Good for you. We got couples massages. Mm. A little call back to Nellie's birthday.

I was gonna say, twinsies. I got some amazing packer gear. It was really wonderful. What some amazing packer gear. It was really wonderful. What was the packer gear? I got this really unique, vintage, Tasmanian devil packer gear, which I believe you just can't find anywhere else. Like a shirt?

It's a sweatshirt, yeah. You really had to one-up us on that one, huh? Yeah. Mm-hmm. I did try. I did say a few of your other gifts are delayed in their shipping process, so they will be here soon. And-

It was a really wonderful work day. Oh, yeah. We were out with Madeline Macy and Hope and all of their partners, the girls who designed my wedding dress. And- You just won't let it go. Just say it if you just can't help yourself.

I was like, look, Nick got me a beautiful diamond tennis bracelet for my birthday. I don't know if I ever shared that with anyone, but it is absolutely stunning and beautiful. I guess Sierra, you knew about it, didn't you? Yeah. You little sneaky bitch. And so I was showing them how beautiful my bracelet is.

And then Nick goes, and I got a t-shirt. Vintage, right? So. That I haven't received yet. Well, you got the Tasmanian devil one. See, I was like, no, do you know how hard it is to scour the internet and find good vintage? Natalie died. She looked at me and the rest of the night just I haven't slept

Vintage is expensive too. Thank you. That's what I tried to say and They're good pieces like what I found It's not just like some like like the the NFL brand gear from like from Hibbett sports I truly good will like surely had an amazing birthday the NFL brand gear from like from Hibbit Sports at Goodwill. I surely had an amazing birthday. I have been scouring the internet for like cool, timeless, iconic, vintage pieces of Packer gear. And Nick was like, yeah, and I got a t-shirt.

So great. I haven't seen it yet. And then on the way home, and then to make matters even worse on the way home, I'm like, is that, you know, like how you like really like just like a t-shirt? He was like, I just feel like you forgot about my birthday this year. Oh, heartbreak. I've been shot.

He's trying to get you back. That's why. Like, I take birthdays so seriously. They're my favorite thing ever, and for the ones that I love, and he just was like. Baby, usually approaching my birthday, you're always like, do you want to open your present? Do you want to open your present? Because I hadn't gotten them yet.

You're so excited about it, and I did not receive that same excitement. I'm like, I kind of forgot about it, because otherwise she would have been days leading up to my birthday. She'd be like, do you want to open your present? Do you want to open your present? What do you think we're gonna do? What do you think to open your present? What do you think we're gonna do?

What do you think we're gonna do? What do you think we're gonna do? What do you think we're gonna do? None of that. And then I got on Saturday, so your presents aren't here. So that one might assume, either way, I had a magical birthday. You're making your, yeah.

You did great. Nick's like, listen, he's like, I don't care. I don't care about it. I'm like, well, clearly you do. One comment, one comment, she's falling off the rails. Off the rails. I have not gotten back up. I don't think I ever will, honestly.

I just can't wait for the pieces to come in and then for you to be like, fuck, these are good. Yeah, no, and I will get to experience my birthday again. Exactly. Yeah, I'll get to extend it. Yeah, look at you, the man that doesn't believe in birthday weeks and months, and he's over here having a birthday two weeks.

Why are you letting Verizon off the hook by trying to change the subject? Well, I'm not, I just felt like that, I just had to get that off my chest, because again, I have not slept, I haven't breathed, I haven't eaten, I haven't done anything since you said those words to me, so. I didn't say them to you, I said them to your friend.

But then on the way home, it was like an intimate, quiet drive home, and you're just like, yeah, just, with a tear in your eye, you're like, forgot my birthday. I almost drove off the road. Was River in the car? No, of course not.

She was at home with my mom. The trauma. But like, he'll eat his words. I had a great birthday, I really did. I really thought to myself on my birthday, no, I can't help that the birthday presents didn't arrive on time. How you went about procuring my presents

in a matter in which they would arrive on time is really just your journey, not mine. But I, regardless, had an amazing birthday because I did get to spend it with you in River. And that's all any one man needs, is really just time with his family. And I really enjoyed my wife and my daughter on my birthday and it made it really meaningful

and I really didn't need any T-shirts. So I can return them. They're on their way. Cancel the order. You know what, Send them back. Who doesn't want them? She also gave you the gift of relaxation. And we don't even know if that's,

I don't even know if that's possible for Nick. Thank you. It wasn't. I also was like, I'm not gonna say a word today. Oh. Yeah. I was like, I'm just gonna let him scroll and pack her Twitter and I'm not gonna speak. Why are you throwing me under the bus

on my birthday weekend? I'm not. Typically I'm like, do you want to rearrange? Do you want to paint? Do you want to go to Target? Do you want to do this? And I was like, I'm not gonna speak. Why are you throwing me under the bus on my birthday weekend? I'm not, typically I'm like, do you wanna rearrange? Do you wanna paint? Do you wanna go to Target? Do you wanna do this? And I was like, I'm not gonna speak. I'm not gonna say a word. I'm just gonna let him like scroll on Packer Twitter,

do his thing. I smoked a lot. So much weed. And not one complaint. Not one complaint. Did you let him leave the cabinet doors open without a complaint? Yes.

Look at that. There was not one. I'm not complaining. She is complaining, not me. I'd agree birthday. Packers did lose. I think Verizon gifted you with relaxation. They turned your phone off.

It's not my birthday anymore. They extended it though. They said, we'll give you Packer Twitter for your birthday, but I have business conduct. Packers did lose. And I realized I have AT&T, so. Jesus Christ. She gaslited us. She did this whole morning. She's like, I have service. Sorry, I'll gonna conduct. Packers did lose. And I realized I have AT&T, so. Jesus Christ.

She gaslosed us. She did this whole morning, she's like, I have service. Sorry, y'all don't. Like, I'm Verizon's favorite, so sorry. Turns out she has AT&T. How can you be of a cell phone company that gives, I don't know, how many percentage of the world's population internet service?

How can you not do your job? Climate change. The world ending. Maybe there's like disruption from Elon Musk's 500 satellites being. Oh, we don't get to blame Elon for all our problems. Well, I can. Might be.

What if they truly come out and they're like, this is what happened, it was a Tesla truck. Well then, fine, then we will blame Elon. There's probably an intern that turned it off somewhere. Just the ugly ass trucks. You think it's that simple? To just turn it off? I mean, wasn't there like an emergency alarm in Hawaii that someone accidentally crashed?

Why am I the only one wearing a cowboy hat? This is your idea, Justin. I know, but like, I can't really do it with the. If we're doing it for the views. Look how Nick's, he's holding his headphones. I'm wearing it behind. I have a big head. It doesn't, like the math doesn't math that way.

What size is your head? What's your baseball cap size? This doesn't fit on my head, I don't know. But I have a big head. It doesn't, the math doesn't math that way. What size is your head? What's your baseball cap size? This doesn't fit on my head, I don't know. But I can't fit most baseball caps. What does that mean? Like there's too much hair on my head. The hair isn't a thing that takes up space.

It's because your brain is so big. My brain is big and the hair is big. You're smart. Hair is not a thing that stops you from wearing certain kinds of hats. Have you, well, football players, many of them have long, long hair. Okay, valid, but those are helmets.

Very poofy, and they all fit inside a helmet. Your hair. But they might get a bigger size helmet. Sure, yeah, I don't think. To be fair, I've never bought a hat fresh from a store. Like, I've only thrifted it. Okay. So I'm only trying on hats that are like there,

and most of them don't fit, they can't you were wearing that hat You got a hat fits. I had to shove my head in this and it was slowly like writing up and I was like Put on your hats I Couldn't unfortunately wear my cowboy hat because I do have a slick back braid. Let's talk about your purple hair Okay, drop the hat. What's the hat on? How do I I don't even know how you're doing this? I don't know how you're doing this either. Yeah. Like, how is it staying? The back, they're not. It's just, yeah, it's just resting up against it. I feel like my head doesn't do that. We can just use headphones. Where the hat is, sideways, it's lifted.

Now we got it. I'll just ditch the headphones. Doing everything that's in the camera. What is your motivation? What is your inspiration for today? There was an inspiration, but the second I woke up with purple hair, I was like, fuck it. I was like, we can't wear the white jeans

with the white shirt with the red bandana. I was like, the colors are a rainbow at this point. You adjusted your outfit because of your purple hair? I did. Well, first, Justin has chosen Halloween costume attires for every reality recap day, and today is Cowboy Day. I want the audience to dress up with us and post it so we can repost you.

But you're not even wearing a hat. One Maria now. Nick's on one today. No, I know. it's Verizon's fault. He took a nap. I know he's got too much energy for all of us. I called out for my birthday. Okay, about it.

One comment, two, two. You kept digging for answers, so I provided. Thursday is sports day though. So for listeners listening, dress up with us. Fingers crossed, his stuff is in my head. Shhh, get out of line. That's all right, the team got me a present that showed up on time.

Wait, funny story about this though, so Natalie did help with this. So this is indirectly Natalie's present too. Yes, please, please. Just saying. No, let's share, you wanna share Nick? You wanna share? You wanna share?

I know the story. No, no, let's open the can of worms. Go ahead Justin. This story is funny. First of all, thank you Natalie for helping. Absolutely, I would do anything for my man. The team trusted Justin to buy sports merch. I don't know a thing about sports.

So there's two jerseys, there's an away and home jersey, right? I tried buying the white one because that was cute. Natalie helped pick me pick that one out. Went to the website. They only have like extra large and double X double XL. I tried doing the whole like LA assistant thing and calling the Packers website and being like, I need to get this. Like my job relies on it. Like my boss really needs a shirt. You threw me on the bus. No,

they don't know who you were. I just said like, I'm an assistant. Like I really didn't make this happen. She's like, sorry, I can't do anything about it. Hangs up the phone, the website, but no, well nicely, she was a really nice, like Southern accent or whatever. Well, I don't know Midwestern accent. She had an accident and I was like, really cute. Okay.

The website goes down the second after I hung up the phone. So I think I scared the Packers website people to be like, someone's like trying to buy something that like either we don't have access to or something. So like I couldn't, after like trying to purchase it the first time after calling, they turned the website off for like three hours. So I can even like order anything.

Anyways, we got the green jersey. So it was cute. Well then, after you had reached out to me, you were like, I wanna get this jersey for Nick and like put his name on it and like, you know, whatever, you were like, I wanna get this jersey for Nick and put his name on it and whatever, I'm like, so cute, absolutely, like pop the fuck off. Then we are at the football game in Tennessee

and Nick looks at all the people wearing jerseys and he goes, I just don't, I can't wear another man's jersey, not interested. And I was like, Ahem. You spoiled it for us? I didn't say anything. No. Okay. I didn't not interested. And I was like, ahem. You spoiled it for us? I didn't say anything. No. Okay.

I didn't say a word, I was like, oh. I just don't like, it's just something weird about wearing another man's name on your back. Well, isn't that the whole point? Like it's your favorite player? Exactly, you're like repping your team and your players. I rep my team more than I rep my players. I get that.

Yeah, listen, it's just a, but the team got- He was saying he hates jerseys, and I was like, this is not good because you're about to receive one. But it did have his last name on it. It did have your name on it. I wore your jersey that the household gifted me for the game and they lost,

and so I may not be wearing it. It's because I bought it. Again, anytime soon. I'm not a superstitious fan. It was a great gift and it was a great birthday and I'm grateful. You're the best. Hey.

Can we talk about my purple hair? Okay, yes. So for the people watching on YouTube, look at my nice luscious brown soft boy autumn demure brown hair that I'm wearing right now that's actually vibrant purple. Yeah Question for Natalie. Have you ever trusted a Sally Beauty worker to pick out your hair dye? It was a Sally Beauty worker

So Sally Beauty's is like store a store that a ton of people go to just for like hair Dye shampoo conditioner, whatever it may be. Is this an LA thing or is it everywhere? Yeah, it's like an Ulta but not an Ulta. Okay. Like not as corporate as an Ulta, right? But the people across our great nation know it, yeah. Everybody knows what that is. So I was advised that since I have blonde hair

it's easy to dye it from, by yourself, back to brown. That makes sense, because it seems like you have a, like a, it might be a little lighter. Yeah, I had a nice palette of hair prior to the purple. There's also a reason why people go to beauty school. Right, no, I've learned that. So, but Sally Beauty claims to have color specialists that can help you pick the colors out.

How old are they? Like grown people, like adults, that look like they know how to dye, which no, I'm not generalizing all Sally Beauty workers, but I went to a color specialist and I was like, here's a picture of this nice Demure Brown that I wanna dye my hair back to. How do I get this?

She said, because you stripped the color out of your hair, you need to add red into it before adding the brown to it. Which in my head I was like, you know what, color theory, somewhat adding up. I don't know how hair works. Did she say it confidently? Yes they were all so confident they had the swatches and everything I was like sure that reds gonna turn into that. Because with a confident delivery I'd believe that. It's like oh this person seems to know what they're talking about. And I was like this is your job you're a color specialist? I was like got it. You wouldn't get this name tag for no reason.

Exactly. Sierra pull up the picture. So she told me I had to dye it twice. The first round I had to dye it the red to add the under color. I've also. This is kinda hot. My mom is a hairstylist. I have never heard that you need to dye your hair red to go brown. No, no, but so she gave me a ginger color.

First of all, that's not ginger. That's hot candy land pink. Firecracker red. Firecracker red. This is like vibrant pink. That's like you going through. Your face, your fate, you're nervous. Your face is like what the fuck is going on?

Who took this picture? My boyfriend, so he dyed my hair. You want to save space. Yes, I don't blame him for the color. You look like you're about to cry. I did because I was like this can't be seen outside. I was like this is insane. It does look okay.

But I still trusted the process because she was like second round you're gonna put the brown over it, it's gonna mask it into a beautiful brown. And then she said, don't freak out if you look like a troll. No, didn't disclaim it. So at this point I was holding in the tears. I was like, the math is gonna math according to the lady.

Okay. I put the brown on it, next picture. Now I have this like rose gold. Lavender. Lavender. Yes. Lavender, and I love this. This looks great. Take in mind this like rose gold. That's what you said, Dars. Lavender. Lavender. And I love this. This looks great. Take in mind this is wet hair.

So I dried it out, splotchy. It was like brown in some areas, pink in some areas, like not even, like it looked like I dyed it red and then like it faded over like months. What are you trying to do? Brown, like the color of your shoes. Light brown. Well like the darker version of your shoes kind of,

but like a little bit darker, but brown. Like a chocolate brown. Are we still trying to do this? I don't know if I can achieve that but I think we bring you to a professional. Well so I am. So here's the thing. So I went back to a different Sally's and I was like girl. You're still giving Sally a chance at this point? I I've learned my lesson that I was. I was like I was told that blonde to brown is easy and I'm also in panic mode. I'm just wondering why we're going back to Sally. He's a DIY kind of guy. The embarrassing part is before I tried to do this myself,

I asked my hairstylist, like, do you dye, like, could you dye my hair? And he really said, yes, I can dye your hair. But then I made the decision to trust Sally to do myself. And what is the price difference between going to the person who went to school? Astronomically. Astronomically, but by the point of this, to trust Sally to do myself. What is the price difference between going to the person

who went to school? Astronomically. Astronomically, but by the point of this, not that much. You understand why. I bought many products after to try to fix it. How many products have you purchased already from Sally's? Probably like $150 by the end of it. You're keeping Sally's afloat.

Well, not anymore. I'm gonna return half of that. And then a hair guy job, about 200, 250 maybe? Like 200 on the low end. That's a haircut in LA. It's 250. Yeah, that's like a low end maybe if you can get it. Not for a boy.

I don't know. Well, for like a good salon, yeah. Cause like barbers aren't gonna dye your hair. We're paying 250 for a cut? Well, you have to go to like, well, I'm not. For hair dye. Like if I were to dye my hair, I'd probably need 200. I'd go to some fancy people.

The haircut's like 100. And they're charging me 100. Yeah, that's the haircut. Okay, well for women. He's not a woman. I'm just saying for me it's 250. Not about you. Well, unfortunately what's about to happen for Justin,

if he wants to hit a light ground, first of all, your hairstyle, this is gonna be very upset with you. Oh, he's gonna look at me like I'm crazy. I feel like you have 17 more Sally hair dyes left to get to where you wanna go. Well, here's the thing. So I went back to different Sally's and I was like, girl,

your coworker fucked me up. She gave me who knows what color, but is this brown? And she literally looked at me and she said, and she was like, the only way to achieve this is to either bleach your hair, which, first of all, already, that's wrong. Yeah. Sally employee number two, just going off the deep end with a... That kind of made sense to me. First of all, you need to burn your hair off.

Literally. Pick up a malt. Grow it back out. That's what I understood. An entire tube of mayonnaise all over it for 17 minutes. You're like, all right, taking notes. But she said you have to lift the color. So you'd have to bleach it out, is what she was telling me.

But I was like, that doesn't sound right. The right choice for me. I was like, I don't know if you're right or not, but I'm not doing that Yeah, so she was like, well, you can just put like straight black on it and it's gonna mask it She's like you're not gonna see any color. It's gonna just be straight black now my head I was like black is better than pink. Is that what you did? So I put black on it now. I have purple hair I gotta say it still looks pretty good. What is going on? With me or the Sally worker all of the above. I don't know but like retrospectively I was like I shouldn't have listened because I know color theory and I know blue on red is gonna make purple

Yeah, I just full-on and panic trusted the Sally worker for a third time and was like, okay, let's do it all this being said You look pretty good. Thank you. If you told me you tried to do this. That's the thing, it's a vibe but not my vibe. It's definitely a vibe. It's a vibe. Well everything's a vibe. Yeah. We all love it.

Thank you. But now I have to color correct it and that's like $600 to do so. I live with purple hair. Is that what it takes? It's expensive to color correct it. It's gonna have to like wash that out. You have to either like get it lifted

or like try to balance the color and color correcting is like, like it's trial and error. You can't predict what happens to the hair. So it's like. Or have a professional just go dark and then. So on Saturday I'm going to my guy and I'm just gonna be like, like what? What can we do?

Do I shave it off? Like, I don't know. I'm sure he could do black. Shave it off. I'm not gonna shave it off. I look ugly with that, but in theory. You never look ugly, Justin. Thank you.

Well, speaking of vibes, you guys went one-on-one this week. We were close. I also went one-on-one. We tied. Oh. Yeah. They were still beating you. The Chiefs beat the Chargers. I picked the Chargers. You guys beat me there. And then we both picked the 49ers.

Yeah, we both picked the 49ers. Yeah. And they won too. We are geniuses. What's our... You guys are still... You guys are what? You guys are four and four, I'm three and five. Okay. You're still winning. I'll take it. Yeah.

I was gonna say, on a more sad note for me, Maggie Smith has passed away. Oh, awful. As a Harry Potter fan, I was like, ugh. Harry Potter, first wives club, Downton Abbey. She's done a lot of stuff. He's done a lot, for a while.

Ever, and consistently a phenomenal actress. She will be next. Was she also in The Secret Garden? Did you watch The Secret Garden? Look it up, look it up. I feel like, yes. The reboot or the original one? Original. That's from my childhood.

That was a beautiful movie. Yeah. Yeah. She was in it. Yeah, she was. She was like in everything. I can only imagine how many credits this woman has. I mean, you thought she was like the mean nanny, but she ended up not being the mean nanny.

River learned how to drink out of a straw. Look at her go. She's ahead of the curve, isn't she? She seems to be ahead of the curve, yeah. The second you said eggs, I was like, wait. We all say that. We all say our child's ahead of the curve. But I think she might.

Can we please get this photo off? Oh my God, please. This is traumatizing me. No. It's my sleep paralysis. It's my sleep paralysis. Literally, I'm sitting next to you. No, I'm so scared. No, she's not ahead of the curve, I don't think.

But I think she is right on. I think she's like two weeks ahead. I think she's right on schedule. You know, honestly, it's my fault. The whole straw thing, I was like, that seems too complicated. I'm gonna give her a sippy cup. And then I did see a TikTok from a speech pathologist,

a pediatric speech pathologist or something, and they were like, sippy cups can mess up their speech as they get older, if they don't learn how to, and then I was like, she does great with those pouches. She sucks it so fast. I was like, she can- Is she not supposed to be's like sucks it like so fast. So I'm like she can- Is she not supposed to be sucking them pouches? No, you want them to like drink out of a straw and to like do that sucking motion.

And so I was like, ditching this sippy cup. And she sucks, she's drinking out of straw. Oh my God, thank God. I know. So she will be able to speak. And this child has no teeth and yet she is sitting there chewing turkey meatballs. I know, how does that work out? because I sit in front of her and I go

Because you can mush it down that's true, you don't need teeth to bite into a meatball just makes it easier Right. Yeah, yeah, like na on it. She's not ripping steak apart No, we do give her steak and she just really like sucks it and like on it Yeah, but yeah, it is that but it's a crazy thing to like feed your child real food. Well, we got some unfortunate news about Ellen DeGeneres. She recently came out with her special and has come forward with not one, not two,

but three diagnoses. Yeah, osteoporosis, OCD, and ADHD. Okay, welcome to humanity, Ellen. is. Yeah, osteoporosis, OCD and ADHD. Okay, welcome to humanity, Ellen. Yeah. I mean, I know it's three, but. Like you're saying these are more common diagnoses. A thousand percent.

Yeah. I feel like most women over the age of 50 have to deal with osteoporosis and then there's the whole ADD and what was the other? OCD and ADHD, yeah. It definitely probably makes a difference in her life, like knowing the diagnosis, but at the same time it's like.

No, yeah, yeah, for sure. Listen, as someone who grew up most of his life, I guess somewhat being slightly slow test taker, certainly feeling like I didn't know how to ever really read aloud. It is nice to finally become aware of my dyslexia, for sure. Certainly helps me explain things. Yeah, it's nice to finally become aware of my dyslexia, for sure. It certainly helps me explain things. Yeah, it's nice to know.

Well, Ellen's recent special, it's her last special, kind of a big deal. Ellen obviously recently retired from her show, the Ellen DeGeneres Show, and right before that, it was brought with some scandal about on-set behavior, her behavior, and whether or not she was or was not nice to people, her employees. Uh, there have been other stars on the show.

You know, I think Dakota Johnson famously kind of called out, uh, Ellen DeGeneres for, uh, her lack of awareness, friendliness, I suppose. I've been on the Ellen show twice. She's always been, I guess, nice to me. I wouldn't call warm, but nice, you know, like we didn't hang out afterwards and like sip some beers But she was nice at the same time though. I apparently yeah I think a lot of people had expectations of like Ellen we were we were told that she would address

This behavior or the allegations. She never did she I guess she has this diagnosis I don't know if that has anything to do with her behavior She is she connected to that, but I think her response was just referring herself as a strong woman. I guess I could have called my road rage this morning to the man walking on the street, not the sidewalk, a strong woman as well, and not bitchy and rude, but I tend to go with bitchy and rude.

Don't. Yeah, is that kind of a weird response? I mean, if you're being told that you create a toxic work environment, people are afraid of you, they need therapy after working with you, et cetera, to kind of blame it on being a strong woman where I'm like, you can still have compassion and respect and treat people with respect

while still being considered a strong woman. Yeah, it's funny, cause when this stuff came out about Ellen, I, having met her and have always been a fan with her Yeah, it's funny, because when this stuff came out about Ellen, having met her, and have always been a fan with her, and having felt very special, having been on her show, I was prone to want to see the good in Ellen. As someone who, at times in my life,

has been identified as aloof, or introverted, or maybe at times socially awkward, and I know that Ellen has all been identified as these things by her peers at times. I've been prone to want to defend that behavior. I do think in general, sometimes you're more introverted people who don't present as the most socially charismatic at times. I think sometimes, you know, can be mislabeled or called out for certain behavior that quite honestly, like, I don't think they maybe even realize they're doing, etc., etc. That all being said, I just

feel like, yeah, I don't think that's a valid excuse for what seems to be a long list of people, like, with some very strong arguments about your behavior. And I've talked about this on the show, too. It's just like, I think there's a difference between, again, feeling understood, feeling seen, knowing about my dyslexia, understanding that my personality is sometimes it's the result of the way my brain was made. And like sometimes that's nice to like not put pressure on myself to try to be someone I'm not.

At the same time, if I wanna be more well received in social surroundings, it's my job. And it's my job to learn how to received in social surroundings, it's my job. And it's my job to learn how to present in a certain way. And it's my job to adjust and learn my behavior as an adult man if I don't like some of the criticism that may be coming my way. And I don't get just to say it's because of my, I'm strong.

And because people don't understand my plight. But also the things that she described, I'm impatient, I'm demanding, and that's because I'm a strong woman. Those aren't characteristics of a strong woman. Like being impatient and being demanding. Yeah. She was being somewhat comedic too, right?

There was no joke in that. Descending Ovation gives not a joke, but like. That was like giving empowering speech. That was giving like, I'm up here and I'm gonna ovation gives not a joke, but like. That was like giving empowering speech. That was giving like, I'm up here and I'm gonna tell you like, that this is what I am. This is giving, you're not seeing my side. And I don't think people so far have really understood the plight of me,

which is strong woman and I'm being mislabeled and misidentified is kind of a jerk or an asshole or rude or emotionally abusive when in fact, all I really am is a strong woman. It's like come on. But have y'all seen the videos of her with, I guess it was when she was interviewing Taylor Swift and it's where she's like. Scaring her and stuff?

Not that, well, I mean that was part of her whole bit but it was like any photo she had with a male, it's like you're dating them. Are you dating them? Are you dating them? And you can just see, and she did it with a lot of her female guests, where it's just like, making women incredibly uncomfortable on a,

it wasn't live, was it? No, but national. No. No, but on a national, yeah. I mean, but it's just like, what are they supposed to do? You're just showing them with photos of their peers and coworkers, and it's like, you're dating them, you're in love with them, have you kissed them, have you done this?

And it's just like, so that's where I kind of was like, this is a little icky. See, even there I'll actually will, quote unquote, defend Ellen because again, it's a TV show, maybe these are, I mean, should Ellen know better? Sure. Well, as a strong woman, you'd think with other women,

you wouldn't like try to make them feel small. That's fair. But I mean, I was just saying like, she could say maybe this producer's input and she's just like, you know, like granted to make them feel small. That's fair. But I mean, I was just saying like, she could say maybe this producer's input and she's just like, you know, granted it's her show, but even there, maybe she's just playing into like what, you know, the times. I'm not saying it's okay,

but I think you go back to old interviews, a lot of which you see some poor behavior and it's maybe just across the board of the type of lines of questionings that as a society we were comfortable with that maybe we were kind of reevaluating. But like there's just too many stories of Ellen, whether it's with her staff, past guests and things like that. It's just like, say, hey, you know, she's just really rude and mean and being rude and mean doesn't mean you're a bad person. But you still, you know, that is gonna be your reputation and then if that does bother you,

like yeah, you don't get to blame it on your strength and constantly being misunderstood. So was she basically also saying that it's, having the osteoporosis and the OCD and ADHD is a factor of why she was? I don't know if she, I didn't watch the special yet, but I do, I don't know if she connects the dots. She was just saying that she was diagnosed

with the triple health, whatever it be, after taking a step back from the spotlight. That's kind of, you kind of have the storyline of like. I guess I'm not a doctor, minus the osteoporosis, because again, what do I know? But the OCD and the ADD, I could probably guess that was Ellen. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. I'm not blown away by this diagnosis. Yeah. All I can say is what I remember about Ellen before she was quote unquote canceled was her being in her mansion during the pandemic and being like, I feel like I'm in prison. Yeah.

And that's like one of the main outside of the whole like being rude to people of it all that people were like, okay, she's out of touch. I don't mind at all. That's the thing. I also don't need my celebrities to be in touch. Okay, relatable. Ellen has a second mansion for space. Does she actually? Yeah. So as Ryan Seacrest, they all space for like, Ryan Seacrest has like, for like more for room. Ryan Seacrest has a mansion for his recording studio that he doesn't live in, you know? It's just like for privacy. Like I don't need them to be in touch at all.

They're multi-millionaires. Yeah, I'm not looking at A-list celebrities for relatability. But you can be out of touch and not relatable and you can still be kind and out. You know, what do we always hear about Colin Farrell? Just constantly generous. You always-

I was like, no idea. Really? I haven't heard anyone talk about Colin. I hear he's crazy nice. Very Irish. Yeah, just always generous, always out of his way, goes out of his way, you know? And I'm sure there are times where like,

if you hang out with Colin long enough, you're like, that man has been famous for too long. You know, like I'm sure there's something about Colin that's not relatable with Colin long enough, you're like, that man has been famous for too long. I'm sure there's something about Colin that's not relatable to all of us, but you can still be kind. Absolutely. And you can still be a jerk,

but I don't know if strength has anything to do with it. Well, you know who was kind? Lana Del Rey's now husband, the alligator tour guide, and they're now married. Congratulations, Lana. Yay. She looked really beautiful. married. Congratulations, Lana. Yay. She looked really beautiful. It was a beautiful dress.

Yeah, it was sad though that, or maybe not sad, but like she wanted it to be private, but there's like helicopters flying around filming her. It seems like it was pretty private. I mean, if the only photo they got is that blurry ass photo, like then she did pretty damn good. That's true, they did good. Pretty good, they had a lot of details.

I feel like we know more about Lana's wedding than most people. Oh, the internet. I did see memes of people saying they wanted to dress up as alligators so that they could like swim into the water and like watch it. That's funny. Good for Lana, all right.

Marrying for love, 100%. It's a handsome man. People that I know who have been around him say that he is very handsome, very charming, very funny, very Cajun and just all around, they're like, we get it. I think she wants to be a normal person. As someone who doesn't know her,

that's just what I read into her vibe of working at a Waffle House. Lana, we worked at a Waffle House. And this wasn't a five minute publicity stunt. She worked at a Waffle House. Yeah, it's like... And this wasn't like a five-minute publicity stunt. She worked at a Waffle House. Most people don't have that type of social ability who aren't famous to do that. Like, that is in touch.

That is the most relatable thing you can do. Well, my theory is that she's had so many big albums and she's been turned down from like an Emmy or Grammy or whatever so many times, and now she's like, well, I'm rich. I just wanna be happy. And that's like a normal life. I saw a meme that was saying that Lana Del Rey is like Cinderella in reverse because she is like,

she's from a rich well off family but like has done everything to be not associated with that. Or pure, yeah, not associated. Is she from a rich family? Yeah, she's an epa baby. Good for her. Rob Grant is her father. Good for her, really carved out her father. Good for her.

Really carved out a great life for herself. Works as a domain developer. He's a business operating 1600 websites and 8,000 domain names. He's an app developer? Domain developer. So she's not an Epo baby. No, but she's a...

Sounds like he's got plenty of money. She's a baby. There's a lot of rich parents who kids turn out to be complete fucking losers. We used to watch the Menendez brothers. Yeah, you guys finished it? Yeah. We did, I'll give you my take on it.

Pretty fucked up that now I'm looking, I feel like all it did was confuse the shit out of the truth and what's not real about this whole case. I feel like Ryan Murphy was like, you know what, I'm gonna give you so many POVs that you have no fucking clue what was even said in the court, what was said under oath, what the facts and not were.

Like he just was like, I'm gonna confuse the shit out of you. Good luck. Baby, I love you. I love you. I absolutely love you. I adore you. You're the best wife of all time. I disagree.

I quite liked Ryan Murphy play on it because we don't know. No, because I saw the transcripts of the actual court and the stuff that actually happened to these boys, that was actually testified to happening to these boys. The cousins, the maids, the family, all of these people who testified and said things that Ryan Murphy left out or that-

I didn't know that. Yeah, I that, that. I didn't know that. Yeah. I didn't either. I didn't hear. I literally was like. What do you make of the fact? Attorney General. What do you make of the fact that what they also, that, and this did happen is that Lyle

Menendez offered to ask people to lie about his alleged abusive father, offered to pay them for their lies. I think, I'll tell you what I think. Okay. I think that he did not think his story was enough. I think that he grew up in a time where everyone was like, boys, men, they cannot be victims.

Your story will not set you free. This is not enough. So he was like, fuck, I gotta do something. So he's calling everyone who's seen it, who had been around it, and they're like, just give this, just give some extra detail, just say this and maybe that'll help. Maybe, but you, as I pointed out to you,

my dear life, is that, and it's a crazy story, because on one end, if these boys did suffer the abuse that was alleged in this film, you, I mean. That's it, they did, but you think it's alleged because of how Ryan Murphy did it. But it was, it's true. How do we, do we know that for certain? Yes, yes, think exactly.

Who, who, the boys? Family members testified to like, see, there was a Tupperware, there was a Tupperware of feces under Lyle's bed because he was so scared to leave his room to go to the bathroom. He was so scared that he would go to the bathroom. Who found this? Huh?

Who found the Tupperware of feces? His cousin! And he testified to it! But what about the fact that he asked people to lie for him about his death? I just told you! But that, that, but, okay. But that's exactly what she's saying and that's why I'm with team Natalie on that. I don't know where I stand.

I don't know where I stand. But as I point out to Natalie, if there is abuse, obviously I kind of feel like justice was served by the killing of the parents. It's hard for me, as gruesome as it was, to put these young boys who did this heinous crime, if they were in fact abused this way. You have to consider the possibility

that two young men who can brutally murder their parents the manner in which they did, and there's a lot of ways to kill your parents, blowing your dad's head off is certainly a choice. You have to believe that these boys would be capable of manufacturing the type of lie if they are also capable of blowing their parents' heads off. That was the only type of guns they could get,

was the shotguns. They looked at bow and arrows, they looked at knives. Fine, but again, that's what they said, and I do know what happened. What happened is we do know unequivocally that they blew their parents' heads off. We also know that they lied to a shit ton of people following the murder, and I'm just saying,

also like what about the testimony of how the boys treated their parents about how they scream? It wasn't both of them, it was just Lyle. And I think that it's proven to be Lyle was the favorite child. I think Eric was considered, I mean we saw this in the series where his mother is in therapy and I feel like that would be a weird thing to make up for the show, but she's literally saying,

I don't care, I hate my children. She's like, Eric is weak. Eric is the... And Lyle, obviously, he got the nice ass car for his, like, Lyle was the favorite. They spent most of the series highlighting the alleged abuse. Like, they didn't spend a lot of time considering the possibility that they were lying about it, was the favorite. They spent most of the series highlighting the alleged abuse.

They didn't spend a lot of time considering the possibility that they were lying about it, but they did introduce that side of the story as a possibility. They were tried twice, if you didn't know that. So their first trial, it was a hung jury, and that trial really seemed like they almost got off. And it was crazy, if nothing else, our court system, another part of that was crazy, if nothing else, our court system, another part of that

was crazy. It's just how different the trials were and just how the same case, how different the trials can be depending on what is allowed to be talked about and lawyers, you know, public perception. That is crazy and scary to think about. But that was the argument that the DA made is that the boys made their whole story up and they seem to have witnesses that also kind of potentially back that up as well. I don't know, it's unclear. And these are boys who have been in prison for the past 35 years for the murder of their parents.

You know, just like the Scott Peterson case, there's a lot of evidence to suggest that maybe he's not guilty, but at the same time, I don't know. I think we know that they're guilty. We know that they shot their parents. But I don't know if we know. How can you, for a guy who was caught

asking people to lie about and make up, he asked people to make up stories about his father's abuse, that's a fact. And you're right, maybe you're right, I don't know, but I don't consider. I think I can, I, as someone who has been through a lot of childhood trauma, like I'm here to say that you feel like it's not enough,

you feel like people won't believe you, you feel like you need, and I don't know, I can see how someone, these boys are incredibly fucked up. These boys have been through the unimaginable. I mean, like, I think they truly need some intense, intense therapy, they need help. I don't think prison is where they should be. But I can see how, you know, Lyle is like,

I don't think people will believe me, I need help. I can see how he's's on the phone with this girl who he thinks is his girlfriend, and he's trying to write this book, and she's taking everything he says and leaving out context and leaving out what she's saying to kind of rile him up and get him going and publishes this whole book of everything he said

on this phone call. It's a crazy, it's a crazy. Well, my question too is that I'm like, what would be the motive of murder? And a lot of people said it was about getting inheritance or whatnot, but like, wouldn't they have tried to clean up the murder scene if they were trying to hide the murder?

They did, to a certain degree. Really, they didn't? They didn't do anything. They picked up the shells. But I'm like, there's, heads blown off, like... Well, they tried to, I mean, their story was that the mafia did it. And then like in the second case, the mafia,

how they, you know, they, not only were they convicted of murdering their parents, they were convicted, I think, with special conditions. That's why they were up for the death penalty. The prosecution not only got a guilty conviction, they also got the jury to believe that these boys not only killed their parents, but did it with premeditation. They planned it, right? And the whole idea that these boys not only killed their parents but did it with pre-meditation.

They planned it, right? And the whole idea that the boys were like the heinous act of the murder and the fact that the boys right after post-murder were like the mafia did it and the boys were saying, well, the mafia is usually known for like gruesome crimes. So the fact that they killed their parents in the manner in which they did, prosecution successfully convinced that was part of the premeditation of it, which I'm on tracks. Listen, you make a lot of valid points and I'm not in a position to say that they're not.

It is interesting Ryan Murphy, who clearly does some kind of homework, he is really clapped back. I mean, I saw a quote basically saying, I always see this criticism from the boys and the family. They always say that it's inaccurate or that it's full of lies, but like, where are the lies? He's kind of been like, tell me what I've gotten wrong.

He's like dared the family and the Menendez boys to specifically say what they don't like about the series as opposed to a general criticism, which is, he is confident in his work, whether that says anything or not, but there's a new documentary coming out on Netflix. We'll see what angle they take. The men and his boys are involved.

So we will hear their POV. Kristen Cavallari is no longer with her boyfriend. They lasted a long time. Seven months, I think. I guess. Was it seven? It's gotta be over a half a year. I mean, like, clearly it was a real relationship, but it feels very...

Do we have the reason as to why they broke up? I don't know, and that's why I was confused because I said I was watching the podcast clips from hers and they were talking about their relationship and then it does get a little awkward because she's like, what's your, the fans wanna know what your plan is with me. And he was like, you know, marriage and things down the line. She was like, what's your, the fans want to know what your plan is with me. And he was like, you know, marriage

and things down the line. She was like, a baby? And he was like, yeah, I mean, I think that's included in marriage. And it was kind of cagey a little bit. And then come to find out two weeks later, they've broken up. It was like, maybe not on the same-

He was nominated for TikTok's People Sexiest Man of the Year. So maybe- I'm sorry. Can we go back? TikTok's People? People. Like People Magazine. People Magazine, how they do Sexiest Man of the Year, so maybe. I'm sorry, can we go back? TikTok's People? People. Like People Magazine. People Magazine, how they do Sexiest Man of the Year.

They are also doing TikTok. TikTok's Man of the Year. They do Sexiest Podcast Host, they have a lot of different. Oh, I didn't realize. And he is nominated for TikTok Sexiest Man. I think you have Kristen to thank for that, right? Is that Kristen's doing?

No. I mean, he was viral before. No, not at all, not at all. No, we don't give her credit. No, she made a mainstream. I think she's interesting to think of that, right? Is that Kristen's doing? No. I mean, he was viral before. Not at all, not at all, yeah. No, we don't give her credit. No, she gets credit for some of it. She made a mainstream. I think she gets some credit. She made a mainstream.

Yeah, because I wouldn't have known. Yeah, but he was very famous on. No, you're right, because the Montana boys definitely would not have come up, and still have not come up on my algorithm since then. I wouldn't have known that they existed if she didn't date him. Right?

Yeah. Y'all don't even know his name. I didn't know who the Montana boys were before her. So what's his name? Mark Estes. So I wasn't talking to you. Oh, sorry. She did her research. Sorry.

Chap. Can people just leave chapel? Chapel. Yeah. I, I, as I said, I'm like, I'm a big chapel supporter. Uh, but I guess she canceled her appearance at a music festival the weekend of the festival. The All Things Go Festival.

And it was like people on flights finding out, like they like bought money and made an entire trip to go see her for her to cancel. But I'm also like, take care of your mental health for sure. Listen, I- Homegirl's getting it from left and right. If I were on a plane, I'd be upset, obviously,

because there are people who spent some real money to go to these things. I just empathize with Chapel. From what I understand about her, she's been a celebrity for a long time, but the type of celebrities she's been treated in the past six months has been, she's skyrocketed into A-list overnight.

She didn't really necessarily ask for this. And then now people are just, again, the expectations we have of our celebrities, it's not a political show. Obviously, Chappell has been out like, hey, I don't know who to vote for. And it seems like in some spaces, we're not even allowed to say that.

And then she kind of got bullied into making a statement and it's just like, wait, what? I thought we loved it for her music, not because she's feeling disenfranchised by the political climate out there, which I thought was we loved her for her music, not because she's like feeling disenfranchised by the political climate out there, which I thought was like a totally okay way to feel, but not anymore. If you're out there, Chappell, I feel for her.

I mean, yeah, is it like not great that she canceled, but I feel like this is a culmination of many things that have happened over a short period of time, or these fans' expectations of what they think Chappell should be and what they think she owes them as a celebrity seems to be fucking crazy. And she's never said she was cut out for this

or imply that she was cut out for this or even asked for this. So like, I don't fault her for not acting like Taylor Swift, you know? I don't. It's funny because I feel like people always are like pickling because they're never happy because it's like the second that like a celebrity

comes out and says something then they're like you're you're just a singer be a singer stop acting like you're in politics and then the second that she doesn't endorse somebody they're like well you need to pick a candidate and it has to be because of this this and that and it's like this poor girl is just like I'm just trying to make some music I'm a human being I have to go through and weigh out my options and whatnot but it's like oh because you make this type of music then you have to side with this ideology. And I'm like, I think people should be allowed to be a lot more complex and question what's going on

in the world around them and why they make the choices that they make. But unfortunately, our political climate has turned every conversation into a life or death choice. Red or blue, now in between. You know, and so, but if you're out there, Chappell, take a nap, you deserve it, I feel for you. No, it's just not, I mean, now in between. You know, and so, but if you're out there, chapel, take a nap, you deserve it. I feel for you.

No, it's just not, I mean, it's bullshit. Like, you know, how exciting it must have been for her to like have the biggest like live audience at Lollapalooza, which was like a month ago, a month ago, she popped onto the scene. And then in a month, she's, their same fans are just eating her alive. She's waking up to what new problem do I have to deal with fucking today because it's fucking crazy.

And the new fan fiction kind of thing that's happening with her is that people are making up stories of their interactions with her being like, well, I saw Chopper running and she spit in my face and laughed at me. And it's this whole elaborate story where it's like all made up and it's like a trend that's happening. But I'm like, how awful that would be to read things like that about yourself.

In the process of, I know, I mean, I feel like that's just honestly the epitome of the internet where it's like you make up lies, you get the views, you get the engagement and then it's like, well, none of that was actually fucking true. So, but when they say you can't believe anything on the internet, you really you get the engagement and then it's like, well none of that was actually fucking true. But when they say you can't believe anything on the internet, you're really gonna believe on the internet. But I can't imagine Chappell and just being thrown

into this and now this is, you know, you're loved one day and then hated the next. It's gotta be tough on her. I really feel for her. We got a great episode lined up for you today. We got Gina from Real Housewives of OC is with us. Plus, just so you know, Love is Blind is kicking off this week.

A new batch of episodes drop this Wednesday, so we'll be talking all about the first three episodes this Thursday, episodes four, five, and six next Tuesday on Reality Recap. We'll have some of your stars from Love is Blind joining us on these upcoming Reality Recaps. It's Washington, D.C., Love is Blind. So pretty excited about upcoming reality recaps, it's Washington DC, Love is Blind. So pretty excited about that.

I'm expecting some political conversations. It's a unique group of Washington DC. It truly is like a political town, highly educated, a lot of successful people. I'm curious the type of cast they bring in because it's an eclectic town. So I'm hoping it delivers the reality TV drama that we can love and expect from the franchise.

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and some dating tips from Logan. Hinge is releasing a new feature called Your Turn Limits. And what we found is that when daters are talking to more than eight people at the same time, it can be really hard to turn that into a date. And so with this new limit, once you've reached eight conversations, you either have to respond to one of them

or close out one of them before you can get a new match. So it's really about helping people focus on the matches right in front of them. Do you have any kind of good intros or first messages or just kind of just ideas of how someone can initiate that conversation? Because I assume for some people, it's just plain old fashioned fear of making the first move.

Yeah, so why do people match with people and then not wanna communicate with them? Well, what we found in our research is that when people have used your turn limits, about half of them say that it makes them more thoughtful about who they match with in the first place. So what that suggests is that when people know there's going to be a limit, they're more thoughtful and intentional from the beginning about who they match with.

I always think that the best opening lines are really leaning into something from somebody's profile, but there is a caveat there. If somebody has a picture of themselves skiing and it says, guess where I took this? Probably a million people are going to say to them, Lake Tahoe or wherever it is. So that's very basic. Why don't you respond with the third thing that comes to your mind? That will help you be funnier, more original, and it's less likely that they've heard that before. And so another trick there is that you can scroll down on the profile

and respond to something at the bottom, because a lot of people respond to things at the top of a profile. If it's at the bottom, it's more likely to be original and something that somebody hasn't heard before. The best opening lines are specific, funny, and lead to a conversation by asking a question. That all sounds amazing. Get on Hens today to start turning your good convos into great dates.

Welcome back, Gina. Hi, thank you. How are you? I'm good. Yeah, I'm settling in after my drive into LA. Okay. It's always so fun. You're good?

Everything's great? Everything's great. Everything's going, it's crazy over. It's a little bit happening. It's a great season. It is a great season. So let's start there. It's a round of applause for entertaining everyone.

Yes, it is an entertaining season. It feels good to be part, you know, I've been doing this now for six seasons, but honestly, this is, I feel like the first year that I've been on what I would call a good, solid, successful season, makes a difference. Why do you say that? You can just tell from the audience's reaction,

that they're so into it and they're so positive. And I also think it's because there was a lot of in and out casting wise. And now like for the, I would say like the core of the cast we've been together for a while. So even if you didn't naturally have friendships at first, like we have history. And that makes it really interesting.

Did you feel that way right after you finished filming, where you're like, oh, this is gonna be a good season? Or did you need to wait to see what the audience felt? I felt that way while we were filming it, honestly. Because it is all real, you know? And we really piss each other off, you know? And we really care about each other too, some more than others, you know, I would say.

But the conflict, the good times and the bad times is all more real. And I think that's what people are craving nowadays. Like they see through the BS of a lot of the shows. So yeah. Well, let's get your drama out of the way. There hasn't been much of it this season. It seems like. No, I feel good.

I mean, the move out situation. I mean, that sucks. It's horrible. I've had a hard, I've had a tough personal year, which is not always easy. And I do think it's kind of funny because I do see all the drama and the high drama going on

and then it's just like of course me crying about my life. Like why? But. Well, I mean you're entitled to feel sorry about your life. It wasn't easy but. For the people out there who are watching it, I know I watched it with a bit of confusion in terms of like why is she moving out?

It seemed like there was a lot of love there between you and your boyfriend and your partner. Why did it have to be this way? And I guess where are you now if you're able to share in terms of are we still together? Are we considering moving back in with each other? Are you glad that you made the decision that you made? I am.

I ultimately do feel like it was the right decision. That decision does come with a new set of stresses and problems, but ultimately I felt like I was putting myself and my kids first, and I felt like that was the right thing to do. It's a really difficult thing, because I understand it doesn't make sense to a lot of people. I feel like this week on the show, this past episode that aired shed a little bit more

light on the situation. And the reality is that for, you know, me and Travis have been together for over five years now and no one's ever seen the way that I have been there to support him. They've only seen him support me and I've been dealing, he's been dealing with a lot. And so then I've been dealing with that. And in a nutshell, it's like, I have worked very, very hard to get my co-parenting relationship with my ex to where it is and to have that all be happy and us to have a good family synergy. And the things that were happening from his other side were not okay. And I didn't want my children around it anymore.

And I didn't feel, there were things that were happening that literally made me feel unsafe and that were affecting my kids. And look, Travis is a victim of this too, but that doesn't mean that I want to continue to be in that environment. You know? So that's why I'm careful too,

because it's not like a situation where it's like, you know, just this Travis isn't it too. It's like he would do anything to remove himself from it as well. He is truly such a good man. And it is a matter of his circumstance, but it's just that it's his circumstance, you know? And I just felt like we can't truly really move forward

together until he can find a way to figure that out. What conversation? I mean, there's gotta be some kind of show conversation with him about this, right? In terms of, you know, you did have him move out on the show. So how do you figure that out? I mean, it must be a challenge in the relationship it turned, you know, between.

Yeah, it was really hard because it just kind of, it literally all just came to a head at that time. Like I'm not a person that like strategically does things for the show and honestly, trust me, I would have wished, I kind of wish you would have just been like, let's just wait four months. And then, you know, that would have been my preference. Like, okay, let's fake this.

Let's, you do this in four months and did it. But I'm just not a person who really has that in me. And that's what was happening at the time. And I was like, all right, you know, we're just gonna show this. And yeah, I mean, he had a lot of, you know, he was hurt. He was really hurt by a lot of it and he's entitled to be hurt by it.

And, you know, we kind of fundamentally still disagree on this point and it's, it is hard in our relationship. It's something we're working through now and you will see us film a scene at the end. And I wasn't, he was very honest and it's, that sucks sometimes, you know? But it's, I haven't even seen it. I just know I was there for it

and it was very painful at the time. So I can only imagine it's gonna be painful again. Have you heard from his ex since you put it out there? No, I don't interact. I have no interaction with that. I am not a person truly who wants to move towards the chaos and the trouble and any of that. I really have tried everything I can to stay out of it and foster a good, healthy environment

for myself, my children, and my stepkids. But that, there were lines being crossed, there were boundaries being crossed, and it was affecting, starting to affect me personally. And I'm just not here for that. So I don't know. I don't, not at me, I know that there are a lot of attempts to contact, you know, people in my world are blockers, or I'm sure she'll probably be trying to DM you soon.

I have no idea, you know, but I'm trying as hard as I can to keep distance from that circumstance. What made you feel so unsafe? You know, there was, there were, there's been a... Uh... I think it's very unfortunate that in these circumstances, sometimes people weaponize their children, right?

And all of our children go to school together, and there are opportunities for people to act in a way where they shouldn't, and things like that were starting to happen. And there were a few things that literally happened in front of me and my kids that just really were scary. And I'm not here for that. And I'm certainly not here to put my kids through that,

especially after making everything so great with my ex. So it gives me a physical reaction when we even talk about it, because this is how much I don't want this to be a problem. I don't wanna make it worse. There are six kids involved, you know, and I'm trying my best to keep all the kids safe. Somebody's gotta be the rational one here, you know?

And also this is my thing, right? So I have made a decision to sign myself up for this life and my children up for this life. And I'm fortunate enough that my ex and his new wife are on board for that as well. But, you know, and Travis supports me, but his kids did not sign up for this. And so I don't want to expose their stuff, you know?

I'm trying to keep them safe from this. And so it's a hard thing to navigate. It makes a lot of sense, a respectable decision, but I appreciate you adding some context to it. I think when we first saw it in the earlier season, we're like, why are you moving? But this makes a lot more sense. And totally respected too,

because I think sometimes as we watch this show, we often wonder as fans, and how do you, the stars of these shows, draw these very blurry lines that seem to be housewife to housewife in terms of how involved or uninvolved they want their extended family to be, and it's an interesting dynamic, so. And I mean, you must have, I learned this lesson too,

that there are other people like in my family that just aren't comfortable even being talked about even peripherally, you know? And it's like, you have to respect that and it does affect relationships and the lines are blurred. And it is kind of a hard, even on the pod, right? It's hard, you bring something up about somebody and they didn't want you to,

and you didn't even mean anything by it. Now you have an issue about it, it's tough. Well it is, I mean, yeah, I mean it's a fascinating universe that seems to have come up more and more, even in Bravo World with the partners of some of these people, we're seeing it now in the LCU world too, it's just like, just as a general, what is your understanding

in terms of, like yeah, like you signed up for this, but you have other people in your life, I guess you could choose to talk about and I guess their names can still end up on these shows. And they don't really have a choice to like, whether that happens or not, or what's said about them. Is that accurate? Yeah, I mean, I guess like you, to a certain extent,

you do, well, I would say you, when it comes to boyfriends and stuff, you have a choice in the way where you're aware that somebody is on a reality show when you start dating them. So the choice is date them or don't, right? But then there are certain levels of commitment or how much in detail your life is gonna get discussed

that I understand, you know, you would like to have some boundaries in place. But I think that that's just a two-way street. But I guess what you're saying is it's like, if you choose to date someone, and you introduce them to Tamra, there's nothing stopping from Tamra from doing a scene with Heather

and being like, Eric's a loser. 100%. And then Eric's out there watching being like, I'm a what? Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah'm a what? Like, the fuck? Like we, I met her once, you know, like with Tamra, you never know. Well, yeah, for sure.

But then also I'm just like, if you don't, you know, to a certain extent, don't engage that. You know, you get what you give. Like with Trav, I feel like nobody ever is looking to do anything because he's not gonna engage with anybody. He's not gonna go on the internet and say anything to anybody and you get what you give. So the best way to stay out of the fray

is to stay out of the fray. You know, in some people's boyfriends, you know, they have the ability to do that because they just don't get involved and they don't engage. Some wanna engage and they think they can get involved and they don't get some want to engage and they think they can handle it and they think they can do it

and then they get bit by it and then they regret it, but then they dig in harder and I think that's like kind of what's happening now. Is that why you and Travis weren't at the Katie's dinner at her house? Cause it was just like, let's... I think, well, I do think that, well, I wasn't invited, honestly, but also,

I wasn't offended that I wasn't invited because not everybody can be in everything. And I also think me and Travis really weren't at that point, we were like, let's go to a Hull Stader. I mean, we really were struggling. Yes, it's been hard for us this past year and I'm actually very, I'm happy that he's been able to get himself to a place

where we are able to stay together and we are able to like redefine our relationship, but it certainly has had an impact and it's certainly different. But at that time we weren't like ready for a couple, we weren't going to like dinners and stuff together. What is the path forward for you and Travis look like now? We are really at a good spot.

We're very much together, very much committed to each other. We're adults, we've both been through a lot. We both have kids. And to me, that's just now given his circumstance and his inability to change his circumstance, this feels more appropriate to me. It feels like two adults who are very much in love

and committed to each other and our children, but we have to acknowledge the fact that we are, first and foremost, responsible for ourselves and our kids, and then we can combine our lives on top of that as much as we possibly can. And maybe in the future, you know, I'm just not a pipe dream person anymore. I think that's been beaten out of me, you know?

And yeah, I'm just a more realistic person and I'm okay with it being what it is. You know, I don't need this fairy tale. I don't need, you know, and I'm perfectly fine taking responsibility. I think after maybe divorce, I conceded to the fact that it's me taking care of myself and me taking care of my kids and I'm okay with that. So I don't need that, I'm not looking for that.

Part of me maybe sometimes is like, I would love a beautiful wedding. I would love to wear that dress, but I don't really need it. So it is what it is. Makes sense. Can we get into the Shannon of it all? Sure. Great.

So this season, it's really been focused on this whole lawsuit between John Jansen and Shannon. Obviously we know that- Johnny J. Johnny J. Johnny J. We know last season, Shannon hit her DUI, we were as critical as anyone. She seemed like she had a tough go of it. This season's been just kind of, I think,

generally hard to watch, I think, for a lot of audience members, because it just feels like, at least the way we're seeing it. This seems kind of like bully behavior from Johnny and Alexis. And while Shannon may not be a perfect person and has her flaws and certainly has made her mistakes,

it just comes across as cruel, not only Johnny J and Alexis, but I'm honestly struggling why the rest of you aren't stepping up. You started to a little bit, it seemed like Emily also a little bit recently or kind of calling bullshit on Alexis. I mean, and if I'm the one doing it,

that's a problem, right? Because the last time we were sitting here, I certainly wasn't standing up for Shannon. So yeah, I mean, I recognize that. How do you, and maybe we're just not seeing it, we all know this is a TV show, we're in the middle of a season, maybe stuff's gonna come out.

Recently over the weekend, stuff came out about Shannon's behavior and in other situations. I mean, you seem, again, maybe as good as anyone because you're not like ride or dies with Shannon, but like how do you see it as someone? Because to me it's just like, Shannon might not be perfect, Shannon made mistakes, but what's going on with John Jay and Alexis

seems like a bully and seems cruel and it seems like they're beating this person who's already in a bad spot down even further and it just seems unnecessary and why isn't anyone calling out Alexis, specifically her because you guys are around her every day saying this is bullshit, stop, why aren't you guys saying, well it may not be you, it's John Jay,

but you seem to be condoning it, like where are we missing it? Like, what are we getting wrong, if anything? And if I, you know, why is it so hard for the Heathers of the world or anyone else, including you, to stand up for what seems to be right and wrong, what are we missing? Well, I mean, I think, first of all,

I can only kind of speak for myself, right? And I'm with you. Like, I was feeling during the season, like, okay, we're not, somebody has to do something here, right? And I do think we are only halfway through. I do think you will see more coming out. And I think everything does come to a head the second half of the season,

particularly on our cash trip that like really comes to a head. But I was, I remember being on our cash trip and literally like, we're just sitting around and watching this happen and it really did start to feel icky. The same time, it's a weird position to be put in because you're not fully in control of everybody that's around all the time. I never had a relationship with Alexis and my relationship with Shannon was never good. So it didn't feel to me like I should have been that person doing it. And I was like, I was kind of waiting for everybody else

to step up in this circumstance. And I think that then when they don't, ultimately people do make decisions and you will see that play out. Who's the closest with Shannon in your group? Me and Emily. Yeah. For sure.

We still are, you know, I talked to Shannon. I know, I mean, I was, you know, I've been talking to Shannon even while she's doing, away doing what she's doing now, you know? And I know that that, I see that that's come up, you know? You know, there's, oh, you generally two sides to every story. I would like to wait and hear the other side.

I don't know the other side as of right now. No one knows Alexis is in Johnny's side. Oh no, I met with Shannon lately. That was it. But yes, but no, I mean yes, I know John. I mean. Yeah, what is their side? I mean, I don't know why it's, to me,

why is it if there's John's side and there's Shannon's side? I don't understand how we got John and Alexis's side when Alexis wasn't there. I'm assuming it's only because like, John, other than like what seemed to be a very scripted cameo on Watch What Happens Live, we just have access to Alexis, who has no problem speaking on the conversation.

And so if we're wondering why we're curious about Alexis' point of view, I'm assuming it's that. She seems to be the spokesperson for John. So it's John's point of view though. It's John's point of view. So I feel like we're on the cast with John. Like he's still, you know, I mean, because she's just representing exactly what he wants

or what he's saying. And like my question, like what, and no one's doubting that terrible night, what seems to be a lot of poor decisions by Shannon, but I'm just wondering, that doesn't deserve this person to what seems to be, who's trying to punish her and still punish her and feels malicious and vindictive,

and then you have this video that is alleged and is using it as almost like a threat. It just feels really gross and icky. And yeah, I mean, if nothing else, John, who everything we hear about cares about his reputation, it seems to be in their shitter. And I'm just trying to figure out, I'd love to hear his point of view because he seems convinced he has one.

Yeah, and honestly, I think we were kind of all waiting for that too. Like we were like, okay. But no one's asked? But well, I mean, we have, we're like, what is it that this truth is that's coming? Like what is all of this? But I don't think we ever really got to the crux of it.

I mean, he's upset that certain things were said, I believe on the reunion last year, you know? And I get that, but at the same time, the way I see it is it was a toxic relationship. We spent like three years, like trying to out the fact that they had a toxic relationship, you know? In toxic relationships, it's generally both people that are at fault, you know?

And I don't like this rewriting of the narrative where it's like at the end here now, Shannon's this horrible person and he's this cringe charming, squeaky clean guy who did nothing to contribute to the toxicity of this relationship. It's like you're both at fault, move on. This lawsuit that he is playing out in the media

is toxic and the way he's going about it is toxic. Has anyone sat down with Elixis and said, if this doesn't work out long term, he's gonna treat you like this. Well, to me, yes. It sounds like a guy who has a strong POV about women in general, and specifically women he falls out of favor with.

He seems to have a certain way about him based off of what we're just seeing. It's a pattern. It's a pattern. Has any of, like Heather, who seems to be tight with Alexis, are you aware of any conversations? Heather has tried to sit down with Alexis,

at least while we were filming a few times, to try to kind of get her to understand that it wasn't even in her best interest to be doing what she's doing. But I just don't think she's successful. I don't think Alexis is a bad person, I just think Alexis is all in. And when she's all in, she's all in, you know?

And I think that she can't quite see it. But to me, I feel like Alexis is like how I was dealing with Shannon at the beginning of her relationship with John Jansen. So to me, it's kind of like history just repeating itself. I will say, I do think there's a fundamental difference between Alexis and Shannon in general. So I don't, you know, maybe her,

John and Alexis will be successful. I don't know. And I'm not gonna, you know, maybe they're the right combination of people to be able to make it work, but- I mean, I think it's possible. Right, but certainly John, and I do think they have a better shot

than maybe John and Shannon did. Based on what? I mean, I just think that when you see Shannon had spiraled down and ultimately kind of rock bottomed out, I think that John and her didn't do each other any favors there. I think they were both drinking buddies. That's how I felt, you know? And it wasn't helpful to either of them. And I think Alexis, she's not

into that so much. And so I think maybe that will help John. But I don't know. They seem very much in love. I was just at a gala with them on Saturday. And they were fine. They were appropriate. I will give them that. They were there for what the nonprofit was, the focus of it. And Alexis, she does have the ability even now, I'm like, you know, I've been out there for a minute, like ragging on you, you know, and whatever. And she has the ability to be like, all right, but tonight's about this. And what are you wearing?

And she is actually like, you know, not the worst, but like the way she's behaving is definitely not the best. If I were trying to offer Alexis Grace, it would be just that is that she is, maybe her biggest mistake is like getting in bed or be metaphorically speaking, but like aligning with the wrong person. Like maybe it's John's the problem, but nevertheless, she's an adult person who is capable of seeing the difference

between right and wrong. And being in love is an excuse and backing your toxic partner if John is toxic, is an excuse to justify certain types of behavior. Give it a minute. I mean, they were like dating for like four months. Aren't they engaged? Yes, they're engaged after I think eight months now.

That's also what's confusing is that like him and Shannon break up, his whole thing is saying he doesn't wanna be in the spotlight. Oh, yeah. And now with Alexis who very much loves to be the center of attention going on Watch What Happens Live, the red carpet debut. Yeah.

And it's also kind of like how easy he could have fallen into oblivion after the reunion because you could have just not dated somebody associated with the franchise. Right, and not been in a housewife bar. That's exactly right. That's where they met. Exactly.

It's like, oh. He loves a housewife. Right, it's like if you, and that I will say all day long. This is a joke, you know? Don't do that. He doesn't want his privacy. Right, if you want your privacy, why are you at the Quiet Woman?

I mean, people come from out of state to go blow on that door. Why are you in there? And you can say, well, that was a Newport bar and I've been going there forever. Okay, but it's not now and we all know that. And then you go- But the world doesn't revolve around you, John.

Right. You have to make moves. Yes, and then you meet this woman, Alexis, and you know that they're actively pursuing her to recast her on this show. If that truly was the truth, he would have sent him in the opposite direction. I think when she said that, her stock went up.

Yeah, because now he gets to use her as a mouthpiece and even not this past episode, the episode prior, Adam, Jen, and Ryan's, it's like she walks in as if the earth is falling beneath her and you shouldn't be associated with any of what's going on, but she's kind of making this whole thing about herself. Yeah, and I think that's why it's hard for me

because I do get it, right, that you're being kind of your, but I don't get it, like, because it's like if you have, Shannon and John have no kids. Right, yeah. The only thing they have is this little legal court baby, you know?

Just let it go. Like, you don't have to do this. You don't have to do any of this, and it's making it so much worse. I really think that he was concerned about his ego. I mean, he is so bad because that's the thing is he, for years, we were like, but Shannon, we know there's problems in your relationship. And she wouldn't talk about it to the point where she seemed like she was so scared that he was going to dump her if she said the truth about anything that was going on in the relationship.

And so he was protecting his ego if she said the truth about anything that was going on in the relationship, right? And so he was protecting his ego and his reputation the whole time we were filming, and then a little bit of stuff came out. Nobody, if he just would have went away, nobody even would have cared, nobody would have blinked twice, nobody would have said anything else about him.

It's like he's doubled down, he's made it so much worse by doing all of this. He's like making himself a fixture on the show at this point. Yeah. He's been some main character. Before you go, I am curious though, regarding Shannon, just your POV, like where is she on her healing journey?

Tamara's been pretty critical of her, especially whether her, like Shannon's choice to continue to sell drink or not, which from our point of view as fans seems a bit hypocritical, coming from Tamara. Doesn't make her necessarily wrong though. And again, recently out there, Shannon's out there living her best life

or just living life and is interacting with other people who have opinions of Shannon. Your opinion, is Shannon making choices from where you see it today? Is she setting herself up for success or is she still in your mind making the same choices that got her in the same type of challenges she's dealing with right now? I mean, here's what I would say.

She's a 60 year old woman, right, who has gone through a lot in her life, all the way that led up to her literally crashing into a house. And that was kind of like her rock bottom moment. Now when people have those moments, what are your expectations for this woman? Is she going to all of a sudden wake up the next day and be like, I know, I'm sober, I'm perfect, I'm wonderful, everything's great, I'm a completely different person and all my problems are gone. No, I think that she is, to me, she is different.

To me, she is willing to take responsibility. I mean, she took responsibility for that. She shared, I was like, Shannon, you need to stop talking about, like when she was talking about, when she was outside that house and she told him, she's like, he said, don't go. And I was like, Revit, I was like, stop talking.

Like you're oversharing, you know? But so she's definitely taking responsibility for that. She will never make that mistake again. I'm confident about that. And I think she's willing to look at things at this point. And I don't think she's ever been willing to do that before. I think she has edited her behavior. I think that even if she's not making the best choices

like at home, I have no idea. At least what I can say is she's not making her problems other people's problems right now. And that is a really good healthy step in the right direction. I think people's expectations that she's going to completely change her behavior is a little unrealistic. People get to the end however they get there, but there you can't force them into that. You can remove yourself from it. And I've always told Tamara that I agree with her decision if she feels for herself, like she can't participate in it anymore, that's fair.

But you can't then reserve the right to judge them about how they are handling it. And I think that's where they, but there's so much history and past there. And I think it's a trigger for Tamara. And I think it's hard for her to watch, but it's obviously not being handled well. I do think that, and I'll tell's a trigger for Tamra and I think it's hard for her to watch, but it's obviously not being handled well. I do think that, and I'll tell you what too,

Shannon, as far as I know, she was on Best Behavior the whole time we were filming for the show. I've never seen her, so she got checked. This really checked her. So then the more stuff I'm seeing now, I don't know if I'm right, because I've never seen her behave so well towards everybody, her other castmates, production crew, So then the more stuff I'm seeing now, I don't know if I'm right, because I've never seen her behave so well

towards everybody, her other castmates, production crew, everybody. She's kind of to your point, I mean, even if she's out there rubbing people the wrong way, I still kind of blame John at this point. I mean, that's what it all comes down to, right? I'm slightly joking, but yeah,

I mean, he's just, he's putting her through it. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't nice, the whole thing. And I mean, to bring it into the show, and it really was, like I was very concerned about her health, you know, and her ability to even get through this. It was a lot. Yeah.

And I actually think that she handled it pretty well, you know, and she looks great. That's, you know, more than I can say about myself when I was making my mistakes. I mean, I look like I felt. So, I don't know, it's each their own. With the Katie Heather drama that has happened this season, do you feel like the last fight at Northern California,

the wine. Osenoma. Yes, yes. Do you feel like the whole using Heather for real tea people, was that more Tamra or was that Katie? I mean, I definitely see that Tamra. Of course I see that Tamra got in there and worked that. But like also I'm like, if you go, that's on you.

And I think it's absolutely absurd that somebody that was supposed to be my friend came on and then so quickly turned on me. And it was very hurtful and it was very confusing and made me feel stupid, because I got played by the new girl. That's not a good look. And I don't know, I just think you have to be stronger

than that to survive this too. Like you can't just like, just because somebody suggests that there might be another narrative, you just run and you take that narrative, I think is indicative of who you are. And now I know more of who Gideon is. I appreciated your response when Tamara kind of was like, you're defending yourself, like you're guilty.

Like you're, and you're like, I'm passionate about this cause she's wrong. It's like, I feel that way too, where it's like when you- It's gasoline. Yes. I mean, anybody who's put in a position where somebody is making up complete lies about them

is going to defend, and you're put in a position where you have to defend yourself and now you're on the defense, and now that's being questioned why you're so defensive, because you're making me defend myself. That's why. Literally.

Yes, and that makes me wanna lose my mind, especially when it's something that is just a complete lie. And I think that's a real trigger for me because you guys see if nothing else, like I own my stuff. Like I will tell the truth. I also overshared this season. I told too much of the truth to Heather DeBrow.

And I was like, I knew it was. I really never think you're lying. I'll definitely give you that. I know. Like I really do, to a fault. And it gets me in trouble sometimes, but you know, I'm okay with not being perfect, and I will own it.

So it is what it is. And you can't win everything. I think when people approach this like it is a game that they have to win, that's a mistake. Like you have to just, it's an experience, and you have to just go with the experience and not get too caught up on, that's the thing. I think that newer people now,

they approach it like it's some game or something, and it's really not. Like you really just have to just live and exist and be okay with, like sometimes everybody gets caught with their pants down, especially when it's a show made up of girlfriends who have conversations and then usually, you know, of course you go back and you talk shit to your other friends,

but nobody ever sees that. But our show is made up of just exposing all of our conversations of the shit talking behind the back. I mean, everybody's gonna take a hit sometimes. Sure. All right, well, Gina, I know you have to get going. I wish we could talk more with you, but you gotta go. I gotta go.

I appreciate you taking the time. Sorry, this one was kind of boring, guys. We have our reunion coming up and I don't wanna get myself in trouble. You know, we appreciate your time. Wait, can I ask a quick question? Are you going to get the bangs? Oh my God, absolutely not guys. I can't go backwards.

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head to Walmart, Target, Kroger, or your local grocery store to pick up a pack today. Okay, well, Gina, everybody. She was so lovely. Gina, everybody. She was so lovely. She was lovely. Before we dive into the rest of the episode of OC, Justin, what's the drama going on

between Lisa Barlow and Angie? And Angie Kay from Salt Lake City. So basically we know Angie went on Watch What Happens Live to clarify like cheating rumors, but just for context. Between who? People interpreted what Angie tweeted, and I'll give that context in a second, as Angie alleging that Lisa cheats on her husband.

What was the tweet? So this conversation starts with Lisa Barlow tweeting. Lisa Barlow tweeted, Remember how you charged Jen for a party you offered to throw? I'm surprised you could get all of this out there without tripping all over that lip filler. Pay your employees that $9 an hour just isn't cutting it.

Lisa tweeted this. Yeah, so Lisa tweets this out of like- Out of nowhere? Well, just cause like Angie's like turning on, and I mean, there's a lot of Twitter beef of like Housewives responding. There's like a ton, there's a lot of context. So-

Did you hear her crying when they were like, what did you think? That was sweet though. That was sweet. No, I know. Cause last season it was like people were coming for her husband. I know.

Yeah, so that was sweet. But anyways, Lisa tweets that. Angie was sweet. No, I know. Because last season it was like people were coming for a husband. I know. Yeah, so that was sweet. But anyways, Lisa tweets that. Angie responds to the tweet tweeting, my lips are full as my life. Thanks to my doctor who I pay with my own AMX card, not a Park City mystery mans. Explanation mark.

Unlike Lisa's G-Wagon, my lips can't get repo'd. I'm not your bestie in prison so I'm not interested in gang bang, but it's cute you two had to team up. Night, hashtag, Rojasoasasaliccity. So like that was- That was like, do, do, do, do, do. Which we know Angie is a sniper with her words.

Haymaker after haymaker. Angie's a sniper with her words. She does not hold back and she goes for the dig. Which basically- I hate dealing in rumors. But what, wait, I'm sorry. Wasn't this like a storyline? Yes, yes.

So season three storyline was blow jobs for jazz tickets. And it was a mix of Whitney. Was that the title of an episode? I really need to go back. No, it's the title of many clubs, blow jobs for jazzies. So it's basically Heather and Whitney. It's debated about who started what part of the rumor, but in my opinion, sorry, not Heather, it's Meredith.

In my opinion, Meredith is the one who started the rumor. And she says that Lisa has business loans to fund her tequila because she gave someone, like she gives favors to people that have money and have power and then somehow that connected her to having tickets. Meredith knows who had those seats. So implying that like Lisa got those tickets at the jazz game because she gave her jobs to, it's this whole thing. That is crazy.

She couldn't just be like friends with the guy and he's like, I'm out of town. You want to take the seats? Like the fact that it's like, well, no, she had to have given him a blowjob to get those seats. Like that's crazy. I think that's woman on women crime. Yeah.

Heather was the one that said blowjobs for Jazzy. So it's like, there's a lot of things in there. Lisa does strike me as potentially shady in business, but you can be shady in business. I think she has some couple lawsuits against her. Business partners. It wouldn't, you know, she does drive a G-Wagon. I'm not aware of Lisa Barlow's overall wealth,

but a G-Wagon, super expensive car, probably my dream car. Quarter of a mil. I don't care that it is slightly tax deductible relative to other cars. That doesn't mean it's free. When you're driving a quarter of a mil, I don't care that it is slightly tax deductible relative to other cars, that doesn't mean it's free. That's what I said. When you're driving a quarter of a million dollar car, that's a lot of money. And it potentially screams not necessarily good with your money, or maybe screams that

you live a life of luxury, but also you have a lot of debt. That doesn't mean that you're out there giving hand jobs or blow jobs. You could just be a generally scummy, shady business person without using sex for social climate. Which it's been a storyline for multiple seasons that Lisa might have mystery men that she like. Isn't that sexist? It's the rumors, the nastiness. It is, like everybody is somehow,

everybody in some way is jobbed into those rumors. Do you want me to talk about husband? But Angie. But didn't they come after me to talk about husband? But Angie- But didn't they come after Angie's husband last season? They did. They did, but she clarifies and says this was, I didn't publicly insinuate Lisa cheats on John. It was a comment about an American Express

and a mystery man's name. There was nothing about strings attached or any insinuation towards cheating. It was a response to being ganged up on by Lisa and Meredith on Twitter. Yeah. I think it's a valid apology or whatever, clarification. But no, I'm sorry.

What is that, there was one part that I disagree with. There was no implication, I think she says. Of like another man cheating. There was nothing about strings attached or any insinuation towards cheating. Insinuation, insinuation. I think when you, I think that was in fact an insinuation there.

Or she might be insinuating the idea that Lisa's money is coming from a mystery man, not so much that she's cheating. Yeah, because she said, I pay with my own Amex card, not a Park City mystery man. Okay. So she's saying, it's more so implying sugar daddy, if anything.

Yeah, or just, you know, shady business partner. Right, right. Okay, maybe, maybe, okay. Which kind of fits with what you said. Or just a shady business partner. Right, right. Maybe, maybe, okay. Which kind of fits with what you said. Angie, fine, I stand corrected, I apologize. I mean it does imply kind of sexual though, in my head. Or maybe that is our own. Sexism or whatever.

Sexism and this work, you know, maybe that's our, we have to work through that, our own microaggression maybe. Sucks. I do love that Angie's Twitter photo is her in a bonnet. Love. A bright pink bonnet. Love. Okay.

All right, OC. I feel like I've been a little hard on Heather the past couple of weeks, which is not to say I've really, I mean, I feel like I only have to say that because I offer almost no criticism towards Heather in her direction. But she got a little heat for that hot Mike moment

this episode between her and her husband. You know that? Yeah, but why? Would she say don't admonish me? Admonish me. First of all, I learned a word today. Me too. Admonish, what is the definition of admonish?

So you didn't learn it. Yeah. I learned that it existed and now I'm here to ask. I did too, I thought it was demonish and then I was like, wait, she said something else. There's another syllable in there and I was like admonish. So definition of admonish is to warn

or reprimand someone firmly. Oh, okay. All right, yeah. Yeah. I think she got, what I saw in line is some criticism about inauthenticity. I mean, even Gina was here saying, like, I don't do that. I just kind of, I shoot from the hip type of thing.

I didn't want to like bring up Heather in that moment and just, we had a limited time with Gina, I wanted to let her speak. But I think sometimes Bravo fans go a little like, or just reality TV fans in general, like confuse authenticity with, what I saw between Heather and Dr. DeBrow is a healthy couple setting some boundaries

and enforcing those boundaries in a relationship. I think it's great that, like Nell and I, from time to time, sometimes we have a bad day, sometimes we speak in a way that our partner doesn't appreciate it because we're riled up either something with them or has maybe nothing to do with them. And then one of us sometimes has to say,

don't speak to me that way. But also I think it's the fact that if we're around other people, it's like, we're like, okay, or we just keep it kosher. And then when you get alone, it's like, hey, let's not. Let's not do that. And I feel like that was signs of a healthy relationship. As opposed to Heather in the moment while on camera

using as an opportunity to like fight with her partner and show like a messiness in the relationship. And I guess you can criticize Heather and Dr. DeBrow for like not showing everything about their relationship, but I do not expect, I think these reality TV stars give so much of their lives regardless of if they're good or bad people. And I think they are entitled to healthy boundaries,

especially when it comes to preserving what is like a 30 year marriage. I don't expect Heather and Dr. DeBrow to forego their own relationship and what makes the relationship work for the sake of authenticity on the real housewives of O.C. So I saw a healthy relationship there

and I don't fault them at all. I love that Heather did that and I really think that's a sign of a good and healthy relationship to do that offline. And for Bravo to show that honestly, I mean it ended up making it look good in my mind, but I almost feel like that was like Bravo's reprimanding them because they're not willing

to have that conversation in front of cameras that they just aired the hot mic moment anyways. I don't know, I just, I didn't love that. No, that's fair. I feel like that, I feel that way too because I'm like, at first I was like, oh my God, it's fine, I don't think it was that big of a deal what he was saying, but at the same time,

Heather knows her husband and she's like, I don't know whatever else is coming out of your mouth, but I'm disengaging with you. And then the second the cameras went out, she was like, let's not do that. And I agree with you a hundred percent that I'm like, listen, sometimes people say things in the heat of the moment, whatever,

and don't realize it affects their partner in a type of way, but exactly that you do not reprimand or argue with your partner, especially in front of people, let alone a camera in front of millions of people to then therefore allow other people to make assumptions about their relationship. I quite love that and I couldn't help but wonder if Brava was like trying to punish them

and it almost like, it still made me like Heather and Terry even more. Speaking of Terry though, really humanizing of him, really love that the super ultra successful plastic surgeon is finally getting his own nose job and is trying to convince us it's because he's snoring. super ultra successful plastic surgeon is finally getting his own nose job and is trying to convince us it's because he's snoring. One of the most human things ever.

I'm getting, he's the doctor, I'm not the doctor. I don't think he's doing it out of vein. I don't think a nose job has anything to do with you breathing. How, um. It could, like sleep apnea. I'm gonna let y'all do this. Roast me in the comments, Breathing how? Roast me in the comments, but as someone who did have a deviated septum

66 66 year old man. You think he's like, oh, I'm not handsome enough I need to get mad to smaller nose at 66 years old. I don't know you think he woke up was like can't take it anymore You have the experience in plastic surgery. I don't but But my limited experience, I had an ear, nose, and throat doctor fix my deviated septum, which that alone isn't a nose job and doesn't change how your nose looks. My nose looked the same before. And a nose job is a nose job,

it doesn't change your breathing canal or your septum. If like it's two separate procedures, they might be bundled like a Happy Meal, I'm sure. But I'm pretty sure that they're two completely different procedures performed by two different types of doctors. I mean, I'm not going to question the board-certified plastic surgeon who is saying that these are the certain reasons as to why he's getting a nose job. Because it was more.

It wasn't just like, I'm snoring too loudly, there was like a couple of other reasons. If his nose looks different, that's a, I don't think that has anything to do with your breathing. All I have in my head is you talking about Golden Bachelor and how they were like, the sleep apnea or whatever, and you were like, you could die,

like you need to get that checked out. And if he went to a sleep clinic and got a sleep apnea machine, and if you went to an ear, nose, and sleep clinic and got a sleep apnea machine, and if he went to an ear, nose and throat doctor and got a deviated septum surgery, then yeah, but he got a nose job. You don't know the steps he took before he went and got a nose job. I don't, you're right.

Exactly, he could have done all of that. And then they were like, you know what, this is what you need to do. You need to get your bridge. Your bridge needs to be smaller. And so they go in there and they shave that bridge down. Maybe so, but I don't think that has anything to do with your breathing. And I'm not a doctor, so like,

roast me in the fucking comments, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about this. I don't think you are. I think you just want him to say, I want a smaller nose, when I don't think that has anything to do with it. I don't think changing the outside shape of your nose will in any way affect your breathing or sleep.

A nose job is you go in and this is what changes, the bridge, the inside bridge of your nose. I think Terry wanted a new nose and doesn't want to own it. To Natalie's point though, Heather saying like, it's more than just getting surgery, it's like a risk. Like would he do that risk of like life or death for a nose job. Yeah. He's been giving nose jobs his whole life.

He doesn't think it's a risk. This guy, that's not true at all. Doctors are the most, like they are the pickiest people to get surgery because they know what it's fucking like. They know what's going on in there. I do not doubt he's picky. I just don't think he's worried about his life. Like you trust the process more is what you're saying. I think he trusts his doctor.

Yeah, I think he's good with his doctor for sure. I could be wrong. Listen, I like him for it. I like that he doesn't wanna own it. I like that he's kind of like casually mentioning that like his helps with his sleep because even the plastic surgeon is a human being who wants a different nose.

How old is he? 66. Is his nose different? What's he been looking like? He had this surgery months ago. What's his new nose look like? Terry Dubrow's nose, 2024. But I'm kind of with Natalie,

why would you think at 66, he was like, you know what? Now's the time. I should look different. I don't know. My 30 year marriage, I'm kind of with Natalie, like, why would you think at 66? He was like, you know what? Now's the time. I should look different. I don't know. In my 30 year marriage, I'm not divorced. I need a new nose. Maybe he. No.

Men's nose grow. No. They do, they change. My nose never stops growing. Does your nose stop growing? I think that's everybody thought. Doesn't your face just get bigger? Everybody's ears and nose.

So maybe he just woke up one day, he's like, that's a big fucking nose. And he was just like, did he change the shape of his nose? Not drastically. Terry, if you're out there, please come and educate us. It looks. The same? The same.

Basically. It's a little pointed on the. It looks the same. There's a little point. There's nothing better about it. It's not like a tiny. That's subjective. It's not like a little snatch nose job.

It looks like his nose. It looks like they altered it a little bit to help with his breathing. Is the right newer? The right, yeah. So don't even say, oh, right, right, right, right, right. Because no, that's the same nose. Terry, if you're out there, please come and educate us.

That's the same nose, Nick. Different lighting, though, so we can't really tell. Yeah, it's hard. It's definitely not materially different, that is for sure. I think there's a bit of a point on the left. And you think that's what he went in there and was like, please give me a pointy nose. I think a doctor sees a lot of subtle differences.

You think that looks different than the first? Yes. You think it looks better? I'm just one man. That's just my opinion. By the way, Natalie, I'm proud of you for working again. Oh, thank you. I saw that and I was like, oh.

Thank you. Yeah, it was, it's been a while since I've been back and I, he asked me to fill in for a shift and I was like, yeah, I can do that. And then the day before he was like, so it's going to be 12 hours. And I was like, right. Perfect. And it's, it it's gonna be 12 hours. And I was like, perfect. And it was nice to be back. I felt very adult, you know? To go in, get up early, go into work, walk in.

Is it a nine to five? What is like the? Five to five. Five to five. 12 hours. Good morning. And then you gotta go home and take care of your baby. And you go home and do bath time and dinner time.

But I don't, it was incredibly hard for me to be away from River for 12 hours. Like that's not something I'm interested in doing all the time or full time or part time. I told him I'm happy to be there when he needs someone, but I can't miss, I can't, I just, it was, and like, she learned how to drink from a straw today,

like since I've been here, and it's like, I just can't be gone that much. I applaud the mothers who are able to, or have to go back to work after they have a baby. I know how incredibly hard it is, but I also know how empowering it feels to go back to work and get your sense of like self back.

So I respect it. Yeah, we're very lucky that he allows you to. Did you do a nose job? No, it's eyes. Oh, okay. We did a lot of eyes. That's scary. Yeah.

But it did help with his breathing. Oh, there you go. Just kidding. Read through the eyes. They did bring up the FBI in this episode. So we've seen this in the teaser of Tamra being like, ask about the FBI of Jen's husband. One thing I would have liked to ask Gina,

I don't know if Gina is the person to ask. But now we have another lawsuit, Ryan apparently is suing Tamra. There's a lot of lawsuits in OC. A lot of lawsuits in Bravo in general. Specifically OC with Ryan now suing Tamra, this is the third male partner of recent times. The first one was Bellino, Jim Bellino,

Alexis' ex, sued Tamra and Shannon. And then now we have John Jay, and now we have Ryan, who allegedly is using the same lawyer as Mr. Bellino. Is that accurate? Yes, that's what he's claiming. We talked with Gina about, obviously, it is kind of a weird thing to be part of someone's life who's on a TV show and not necessarily agree to sign up for it.

But as Gina pointed out, it sure seems like a lot of these guys, while they may act begrudgingly about being on, they kind of seem to enjoy it. And they really seem to, like this episode, boy, you had some of these guys really leaning in. You got Tamara's husband. Brian was eating that shit up.

Yeah, Lovin being a part of the show. And I feel like Bravo needs to protect its cast. I think they need to forego their litigious right if they want to be on these shows. Like why should Ryan be allowed to film a scene and promote to be messy and then still have the right to go and sue Tamara for being a little bit of mess.

That's an interesting take because you've been thinking of Salt Lake City from last season with Angie and her husband. Obviously her husband was the topic of defamation for sure. And he did exactly what a normal person would do. And if you noticed this season, he's non-existent because he didn't sign up for this. So it's kind of like he was even shown as like a little title

in the last episode at the hair salon, which where he works. But I'm like, he's not a character on the show anymore because this is how easy it is for you to become the topic of conversation, let alone you didn't ask for that. And what is this Ryan guy suing Tamara for? Because she went on Watch What Happens Live recently. He's doing a defamation lawsuit. She's making claims in fact that are not proven to be fact

as to what is going on with the current lawsuit surrounding Ryan's business partner. in fact that are not proven to be fact as to what is going on with the current lawsuit surrounding Ryan's business partner. And Ryan seems to be involved in some other lawsuit that also includes a very famous Dodger baseball player. He seems involved in that somehow, we don't know the specifics. He was named in it.

He was named in it. He was named in the lawsuit, yes. And then so Tamra kind of made insinuations about how involved, which may or may not be accurate, and he's suing her for that. Yes. But then specifically she said after, by the way, bigtree.com and Venus CBD,

you know what, Ryan, question mark, we sell more in a month than what you stole from the Dodgers player. So she said that on Watch What Happens Live this past week. Okay, so she said that. So she's doubling down, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Last week, I think we were talking about Jen and her authenticity and her vulnerability

on the show and it's to be admired and I stand by that, but I kind of forgot about Ryan. And I forgot how much we talked about him last season. And I just really forgot. I kind of forgot who her partner was because he hasn't really been shown this season. With Ryan coming on this season, I was reminded of why we were a little critical of Jen last season and because at, you know, it's like I very relate to a lot of things Jen says

and it reminds me of my mom, I think I mentioned this in terms of how she was raised in terms of she wasn't really given an opportunity to be an independent woman. She was told as a woman, she was raised to have a male partner in her life and to be a mom. And she was, she's, my mom's been a great mom, but that was kind of, and her childhood took that away from her a little bit. I completely empathize with Jen when she talks in that way about she wishes she would have done

things differently. But now that she is older, she seems to surround herself with these guys who are shady as fuck. That's how they read. He just reads like a really shady self-centered guy who has a lot of red flags about him. And then at some point, it's kind of like, I mean, I empathize with you, but like put yourself in a better situation.

And she seemed like she never does. No, I agree. And even that scene, the sit down between who's husband, Katie's husband and Ryan, and he's just like, so like, what do you do? And it's like a 45 minute explanation as to like, what he does, where his money comes from. Real estate, development, some houses in California,

some not. If I were here, that version, and I've heard that story from meeting a lot of people in LA, I would think this person is some kind of criminal. That's what I would think. Or I'd say unemployed. Oh, yeah, real estate. It's one of the things where it's like when you talk.

But you've been to his house. Sure, but that's- That's what I'm saying. You're either unemployed or you're up to no good. But if you have a house that looks like his, he's certainly not unemployed. And you can't tell me what you do for a living. And you can't explain how you got all this money. And you have, you seemingly have a

lot of money and then your name is being thrown around with people who are facing criminal prosecution from the feds. It just seems gross. We've been very critical of Tamara and certainly she runs her mouth in ways that we feel like is a little messy. At the same time, she's a housewife, and if nothing else, Tamra is fucking, even this episode we're watching, and now he's like, Tamra, she does her fucking job.

And in real housewives' world, yeah, we can criticize it for the, I think when someone does their job, we often do, we'll criticize the inauthenticity. It's just like, are you really, do you really feel this way? Are you just being messy? And I think sometimes it's a fair criticism, but I don't wanna see these husbands or partners come in,

get their two minutes of fame, and then capitalize by taking a very aggressive, real life action of suing these people, because you don't like how your name is being thrown out on TV. It's gross. And then like, look at what these women do'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like,

I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like,

I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like,

I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, because these women will take you down. Do you remember Denise's last season on Housewives Beverly Hills? Where she would like literally drag her husband out because he would start like jabbing at like Teddy and like the other woman. And she was like, no, not. And like would literally leave. And it's whatever's in your closet will come out

because these women are like, you fire at me. Oh. But Jen doesn't really though. No, yes she doesn't. Well, but I will say in this situation, Tamara's defense, like Ryan posting, kind of like comparing himself to Tamara's son was like completely like, the key was going low.

So I can see why Tamara was like, I'm gonna job back right now. Well, there's that too. And exactly kind of what we were saying with Gina about Johnny J is that it's like, if you don't want people talking about your business, then you could shut your mouth and not be involved. You're choosing to go on podcasts

talking about their alcoholism. It's like, and Jen could have also, she follows him on Instagram. She saw him reshare that thing. The post, yeah. The post. And she could have been like, honey, we don't need to go after, we don't want people coming after my kids.

We don't need to go after, that's her son. Let's take that down maybe. And then also with the podcast, she's like, he didn't say that. He would never say that. And then they're showing the clip of him saying that. And it's like, come on. Like-

That's the thing where it's frustrating with Jen. It's like- We're as blind as we choose to be. Yeah. Or it's like, I have empathy for how you were raised, but change it now. Take responsibility. Now make some changes. And it's like, that's where Jen seems to come short.

But yeah, I think Bravo could probably do a better job of protecting its talent if they're gonna let these guys on the show, they have to sign some sort of releases. If they wanna play in this game, and this game is a shit pile mess of like fucking just throwing shit against the wall and hoping it sticks. Listen, I wouldn't sign up for a show like that.

I don't sign up for a show like that. But yeah, like Ryan wants to sign up for a show like that or Jim Bellino wants to sign up for a show like that. But then they wanna sue these women and take them to court and then Bravo gets the benefit from the storylines. If Melissa can't sue Teresa for every lie every season of New Jersey, why do you get to as some random person? You could choose just not to be a part of it because it's not real house husbands. Because the legal system allows them to be and they're willing to do that and it's yeah,

it's just I don't know. I just kind... I don't want lawsuits to be the driving force of this franchise. Yeah. It's just gonna ruin it for the rest of us. I thought that they were leaving the era of like lawsuits and like investigations. But with OC, you have three different men, a tie to these women who are driving these lawsuits.

Yeah. And why are we letting these men on the show if that's all they're gonna end up doing? Why are we giving them this oxygen? For OC, I think it says a lot about the men that actually live in OC. Sure. That's what I think.

Compared to the other lawsuits that are existing in the Bravo world, I think they're different context. Orange County is very litigious. You have a lot of small B.E. Sue happy people, yep. Yeah. Small dick energy. Small dick, yeah.

D.E. You have a lot of small dick energy. S.D.E. Yeah, a lot of shady guys. Yeah. Who don't have real jobs. Also Ryan coming in and trying to hug Eddie was so performative and it was like, yes!

That part I thought about, I was like. He didn't hug Shane. What are you supposed to do? Because he knew he was gonna get a reaction like that, which is why he did it. That's exactly what he did. So he could fucking complain about it. But I thought about it.

You didn't even hug, you didn't even wanna hug me, you didn't wanna kiss me, what the hell? Why would he, he went on and talked shit about his, like, cameras right in his mom's? I don't know, both of them. Like in my head, if I was in the position, I would like try to be cordial, like in person. You would be the bigger person, and you would say like, like, both of them. Like, in my head, if I was in the position, I would, like, try to be cordial, like, in person. You would be the bigger person,

and you would say, like, hi, how are you? You know, great to see you. If you just talk shit about someone on a podcast, you would go in and you would say- If someone talked shit about you, I wouldn't be cordial. No, of course. We wouldn't respond.

No, Eddie is 100% valid in his response. I'm talking about Ryan. Like, I can see where him going in and just like wanting to like keep it like cordial and just be like, hi everyone, like nice to see you Eddie. You look great, Shane, you know, and go around the room. But like the hug and like, oh, you don't wanna hug me? Oh, why? Like you were, come on.

Yeah. Yeah. No, he, I mean, maybe I could be, forgetting about the lawsuit, he reads as one of the slimiest, scummiest people. His outfit choices. No, he, I mean, maybe I could be, forgetting about the lawsuit, he reads as one of the slimiest, scummiest people. Just from the show. His outfit choices are also awful. Thank you.

Jen, babe, you were like, you gotta tell him the shirt's ugly. Someone's gotta say, stop putting that on. She picked him out. I know, you gotta stop. She's like, he's got his own style, no he doesn't. She's like, I did good, and I was like, this is not what you wanna sell it. Sell it, sell that. He's like, I think it his own style. No, he doesn't. She's like, I did good. And I was like, this is not what you want to sell it.

So bad. He's like, I think it needs to be smaller. Do you have an extra small? Do you want to paint it on? I unfortunately- Do you have this in kids? I think Jen, despite her being aware of her issues is still unable to do anything about it. And she still feels like she needs a man

to financially support her, and here she is living in this house. And unfortunately, just how it reads is that Jen can't find her voice in these types of relationships, and she doesn't have the confidence or the strength to speak up, even when it seems so obvious,

because she's just not either used to it or whatever. It's her livelihood. Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't know how to fend whatever. It's her livelihood. It's her, yeah. Because she can't, she doesn't know how to fend for herself. She doesn't have a career choice or, you know, like job. Like she tried to work at a Pilates studio, it seems like last season, but I'm like, she doesn't really know how to make money

and she's got five kids that she's responsible for that I'm like, are you gonna rock the boat with the guy that's providing everything for you on Tamara's behalf or are you gonna sit there with your mouth shut and claim you didn't see anything? It's all- It's true. It seems, cause I, Jen seems like she has such a,

a wonderful heart and she really seems like a good person and I see a lot of people I care about in Jen. Yeah. You know? You know who they remind me of a little bit? Brittany and Jack's, like pre-divorce, that I'm just like this, like you know that your, your husband is saying these things, doing these things, and as much as it's embarrassing

for you and you're aware, you're also gonna defend him implicitly because you wanna have your husband's back, and that's kind of what it feels like. That it's, who is it worse to have, to battle it out with, your significant other or a friend who's not responsible for you? What is Jen and Tamara's relationship? They were friends, and it was-

Tamara brought her on the show, right? They were members at the gym. I don't know how far back the relationship goes, but even this episode, it was kind of interesting how Jen was very much defending her relationship with Eddie. Like she was like that- They must have known each other before she knew Tamara. If, I mean, people say shit about me and Allie

all the fucking time, you know what I'm saying? And like, well, part of it is like, hey, listen, we also recognize this kind of to Nally point, we have a show and sometimes we talk about these characters and like we recognize that we might say things that are going to rub people the wrong way. And we don't want to rub people the wrong way and we don't like doing it. We're not trying it, but we at least acknowledge that people have the right to not love everything that we say and feel a certain way about us. So we accept that.

But if Natalie was trying to like fucking sue someone because someone says some crazy shit or vice versa, the other person would be like, we're not doing that. You know, like, why is Jen allowing this to happen to Tamara? Why isn't Jen being like, stop this? This is only gonna- Well, we don't know the conversations behind closed doors.

We don't know if she has, and he shut her down. He seems like a very, you know- Maybe. A man, he stands his ground, and he does what he wants to do, and he doesn't, you know. Yeah, she definitely could have said something, but I feel like if I were, we would put our foot down in a way that would, I don't know.

And yeah, I don't know. I guess that's the relationship we have, but. I mean, so Teddy Mellencamp I guess that's the relationship we have, but. I mean, so, Teddy Mellencamp had Erika Jayne on a podcast and they posted a clip kinda talking about everything and Jen responded to it, saying, "'Girls, I made the post. "'I completely understand the statement

"'of calling her trash doesn't sit well with you. "'It's not my nature either.'" Who's calling who trash? Jen sit well with you. It's not my nature either. But- Who's calling who trash? Jen called Tamra trash. Okay. But I apologize. I can't think of another name for her. She has zero class, peeing like a dog on my back patio,

sticking her finger in Emily's butt, peeing in Katie's driveway, crying in Big Bear that she's mad at God, screaming at Shannon that she's an alcoholic when we all know Tamra uses alcohol as liquid courage. I could go on. She made big allegations against Ryan. She will be hearing about it.

I have some- So she supports this. Yeah, she's fully supportive of this. And again, we've been very critical of Tamra and her behavior. And maybe we just have a difference between whether being litigious and not, you know? Or also we don't have a dog in this fight.

It's like, this is between, you know, like we, we're able to see it from an outside perspective whereas Gin is living it and it's happening to her husband. It's survival for them. I hear that to a certain extent, but like we certainly know what it's like to have things said about us that- No, absolutely.

We don't appreciate or agree with or that are untrue. It's not fun, but again, the whole conversation we're having is about the field in which these women choose to play in. I wouldn't wanna play in it. I wouldn't wanna play in an environment where you're supposed to throw fucking metaphorical grenades at each other

and be fucking messy. I wouldn't wanna do that. But the fact that they are doing it and the legal system is somehow bleeding into TV, I don't, there's something about it, just doesn't, it feels off and wrong. And again, when Jen have your man's back, but for a guy who has a pretty long list

of red flags out there, it is hard for us to like, for me at least, to listen to Jen Defender-Man and take her seriously. Right. You know, it is hard. I appreciate why she's doing it, but yeah, it is hard to take her seriously. Speaking of Shannon, over the weekend,

some things came out about Shannon that were quite alarming and surprising. I don't know if it's surprising or shocking, but did you not see this? I'm not familiar. Relatingly, I think that's crazy. So Bravo fan, he was recently on Watch What Happens Live. Well, he's not just a Bravo fan.

He's a comedian. Well, so they're filming Love Hotel right now, which is like the dating show for Luan, Shannon, kind of like the OG stars that are no longer married or dating. Okay. And Joel Kim Booster, who is a comedian, is also the host of the show.

Okay. So he's filming with them. He was on Watch What Happens Live not too long ago, probably to promote him working as a host for the show. Right, yeah, so there's a lot of alleges being thrown around, but basically a couple nights ago, he posted on his story, his IG story,

saying, just because you're a pathetic drunk on a reality television show, best known for a string of failed relationships, and a DUI does not make you a star and does not give you the license to treat the people you work with like they are subhuman. Period. They will make me delete this but DM me if you'd like to see some videos. Besos. And then, assumably someone told him to delete it so then he keeps posting saying, well that was quick, anyway, don't regret it, I hope you screenshot it. Hope she suffers. Well, let's just say I can imagine what Jon Jansen went through.

Poor guy. This is all deleted now. Did we DM him? I'm just kidding. I was kidding. We should, honestly. Those are some... Those aren't just like, you're mean, don't like you. That's like...

Those are fine words. I hope you suffer. Yeah. Suffer. And as the host, like, he's the. Those are fine words. I hope you suffer. Yeah. Suffer. And as the host, like he's the host of the show that they're filming. What could she have done? What could be so bad, that, yeah.

Well, I mean, listen, I've also, and this is not anything to Shannon. Like we just talked about with Gina, there's a part of me, and we're kind of joking, but there's a part of me that just kind of wants to blame John for everything. I don't know what Shannon did or didn't do on this scene, on the set of this new Bravo dating show

but I really feel like she has been put in this position of Vulnerability where I do give her a little bit of grace Like I guess I give you know Jen grace even though like sometimes I'm a hard time defending her, right? I guess what I was trying to say I know what it's like to be on especially in Hollywood There are some people that you have to deal with. We talked about Ellen early in this episode. Well, I've had positive experiences with Ellen. Other people have very strong commentary against her.

I've dealt with some horrific people who I just like, they're, after a while, you're just like, this person is mean to people, and for whatever reason, they get protected, or because obviously there's a lot of money involved in Hollywood and yada yada yada and like there's always been a part of me that wants I've I've wanted to say what Joel said about Shannon about other people I've chosen not to be that be that messy but like I've wanted to because of how just horrific they are to people right and how they've they treat people just like,

I'm not saying Shannon did that, but reading that, it reminds me of how I felt about other people and how I felt about other people. It's just like, how does this person get away with how they act constantly to people? And I just, it makes you wonder what happened or what went down.

Well, I can't imagine too. I mean, we don't know what Shannon did allegedly, but if this is your first gig in Bravo World, besides a Watch What Happens live appearance, like you would think you wouldn't. Maybe I'll be hired again. That's the thing, you would think you wouldn't be going on your story being like, they're gonna make me delete this.

You're going after one of your talents on the show that hasn't even come out yet. And it's like, I don't know what she did. I have no idea and I'm sure if I find out and I might have a different opinion, but this woman we know for a fact has been through the wringer. She's been through hell.

I do give her grace to maybe treat some people not the best because she's not, you know, it's like. What if she was, and I'm not saying she was, but what if, what if she was just screaming and swearing at people and demanding things? It's rude, it's rude as fuck. It's disrespectful, it's not nice. And I'm not saying she was.

But for someone who is a Bravo fan, he's hosting this Bravo show, he knows, obviously Johnny Jay, he knows what this woman has been through and it's like, I don't know, I give her a little bit, it's like, you know, walk, take, what is the saying? Like walk in someone else's shoes to, it's like, I don't know, I just, I do,

I continue to give people grace when I know that they've been through shit. And that's where I am right now with Shannon. She needs to be a little bit more than a diva. Yeah, she needs to be more than like, get me my water. Well, and Shannon also has a history of spiraling and whatnot. I can't imagine her with everything going on legally and in her personal life, and then also trying to like, play up the funness for like a dating show.

Then I'm like, oh, they have to go in a bathing suit. Remember last season, she was freaking out about having to be in a bathing suit on camera. So I'm like, it could be things like that. And if you're not familiar with her in that kind of way, I could also see it being misconstrued where I'm like, maybe this isn't the best situation that she should be working on a dating show to begin with.

But I'm like to go as a- Maybe she needs some money. Yeah, hello. But that's another thing too. It's just like, you're right. The obvious criticism of having this to say, Shannon, oh, slow down. Maybe this isn't the time to go on a reality TV show

and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, she's like in the system. Yeah. The type of money she might need to make, the only way she can make it is by agreeing to do this stuff. No, you're so right. And it's like, to that point, and like Nellie said, like, boy, regardless of what Shannon did,

this is not the way to protect your talent in a way. I do wonder maybe it's a PR stunt. Everybody forgot Love Hotel was being filmed. I mean, it is fucked up. If it's a PR stunt, you gotta pick someone else other than Shannon to do this too. And if it's a PR stunt, then isn't it not being kind of like- It's definitely, it's not a PR stunt. It's not a a PR stunt, then isn't it not being kind of like... It's not a PR stunt.

It's not a Bravo PR stunt. No, I'm with you too, because you also said, because I forgot that she said she spent, what, over $300,000 just fighting the case with Jim Bellino. She would not let it happen. Yes. You could tell Gino is kind of a little uncomfy. We didn't want to obviously read this in front of her.

It's not. But she also said that she has seen Shannon treat all of production, all of cast with respect. She's been very kind. So she was like just as shocked as we were to hear this. Gina said there's two sides to the story, or to every story. Yeah.

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