The Viall Files - E821 - Love Is Blind Monica Returns w/ Jutes, Golden Bach’s Keith, RHONY, Love Island Arrest & BrettTok

Episode Date: October 10, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Monica returns! We get the full scoop on Stephen, Tyler, Ramses, Nick, Hannah, and absolutely everything Love is Blind. Jutes chimes in as well – also talking about his relationship with Demi Lovato. And, Keith stops by to chat about the Golden Bachelorette.  “What did you make of Tyler having three kids?” Donate to Hurricane Relief HERE: https://samaritanspurse.org/article/pray-for-those-in-hurricane-miltons-path/?utm_source=Ggl&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=m_YGND-B24V&utm_content=milton-relief-lp&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD2XO8ec5EGaPQaDBMIpE0iDLHr2B&gclid=Cj0KCQjw05i4BhDiARIsAB_2wfClCbYlKAwWKlIC_-mhSvBVCLTj1P3E-eNjQlHMMUmFdtJ5iD7ZYDAaAplvEALw_wcB  ALSO… Buy our exclusive “The Podcast” merch: https://viallfiles.myshopify.com  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Article Furniture - Article is offering our listeners $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit https://article.com/viall and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout. Dailylook - Head to https://dailylook.com to take your style quiz and use code VIALL for 50% off your order. Bilt - Earn points by paying rent right now when you go to https://joinbilt.com/viall  Lume - Use code VIALL for 15% off your first purchase at https://lumedeodorant.com  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @monicajadedavis @jutesmusic @keith_gonzo @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 05:07 - LIB Initial Thoughts 10:15 - BrettTok 14:17 - Housekeeping 15:30 - Jets Drama 19:39 - TSwift Football 22:32 - Vibes Or Knowledge 35:35 - Love Island Arrest 41:11 - Leo Brittany Update 46:03 - Welcome Jutes 48:36 - New Music 53:39 - Meeting Demi 56:31 - Love Is Blind Recap 01:44:34 - Monica Returns 02:00:18 - Post Interview Chat 02:02:02 - Keith Interview 02:12:45 - Golden Bachelorette Recap 02:17:14 - RHONY 02:24:56 - Outro

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who need your help. So again, do what you can What's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by the household. So much to get into. How's everyone doing? Love it, what, what, what? Should we address your outfit before you get roasted in the TikTok comments?

I think it looks good. It looks good. That is the problem, Justin. That is the problem, Justin. My man is getting bullied. Am I? No, I don't know. I haven't looked, but like, yeah,

we just made a bunch of clips of me wearing it like a slightly too tight tank top It was a cowboy hat. We'll get we're getting the people talking. Yeah, the people were pissed They did a double take did they not yeah Yeah, but what's gonna happen when I don't know even a month from now or god forbid like two years from now And it's still on the internet and people are are gonna be like, why the fuck is his, what was Nick having a weird day? Original air date, October. Maybe we should put at the top of all of our cut downs,

like Halloween outfit. In the caption? Yeah, decades. This is feeling more like spirit week, less like Halloween. Yeah, well Nick was like, we have to be easy on these, so I was like, oh okay. Well no, it was more like, it was more,

we have a kid and every morning we can't wake up and like. Prosthetics. Face paint. You know, puts like a whole, you know, we can't Heidi Klum it every morning before we come into the studio. Yeah, we need like a crazy sock day, pajama day. Crazy hair day, backwards day.

Sports day, yeah, like you wanna, this is spirit week here at the Valve house. There you go, spirit month. Anyway, this is my attempt at 70s. It's working, the chest is out. The chest is out. The chest is out. We've got some polka dots.

I haven't worn this shirt since some of the great property. I'm pretty sure I tried to throw it away several times. Why haven't you, honestly? It's a little too small for me, which is like alarming. John Travolta, the house down boots. Exactly. This shirt fit two years ago. Nick has lived through a hundred decades,

so he was able to pick wisely. I didn't, I'm just young and young. Babe, do you know the band that you're wearing? Well, I know. Who's the lead singer of this band? Sheriff. Wow. Sting.

You thought I was right? I didn't know. It's the police. The sheriff is the lead singer. No, the reason I have this shirt is because my mother, my mother, we know her, we love her, her younger sister got this exact same shirt at a police concert in the 70s.

The OG original. OG original, and she like brought it to our house and our naughty dog Steve destroyed it. Well, I mean, but not completely. The vintage band tee. The vintage band tee. So I was like, I need to scour the internet as I am good at, obviously.

Hello? The birthday present did show up. It's remarkable. It is a custom official packer leather leather jacket. Oh wow. It almost looks like it was custom made It is a custom official packer leather leather jacket. It almost looks like it was custom made because you can't find anything like that, but it is official NFL merch.

Did you instantly put it on and wear it around the household day? Instantly put it on. It was at nighttime, so I did not wear it around all day. A lot of people were messaging me or commenting on my little fall dump I did the other day. And they were like, is when you wore that t-shirt from Abercrombie and they're like,

is this the vintage shirt for his birthday? I was like, no. Here he is. But it is vintage inspired. So it does look a little vintage. Anyways, thank you for the best birthday present. You're welcome. Anyway, so back to, I scoured the internet

for this police shirt to give back to my mother because I was like, I feel so bad. She was like kind of almost in tears. And then she was like, oh cool. And I was like, all right, well, I guess I'll keep it. And she wears the distressed original version still. So she likes the beat down, ripped up. Well, I think she's learning to love. Yeah.

It's a style. Synchronicity. Exactly. Through synchronicity. It's the original, you know, it's a little different. Her grandbaby said, I want you to think of me every time you put this on. Well, you could almost say that that shirt could have been a message in a bottle. That is so beautiful.

And that's why it's distressed. That is absolutely beautiful. That was poetic. Collective aw. Yeah. Aw. Well, we have an amazing show lined up for y'all. We have Monica. I know who it might be confusing

because she was with us on Tuesday, but then we watched this next batch of episodes and we were like, holy shit, we need Monica fucking back because we needed to find out what the heck happened between her and Steven because that was a lot. It's crazy. I mean, it's like, I don't think we were expecting it. I do feel like with Steven, it was like, okay,

maybe that, like, you know, I'm not blown away that he has secrets. I think it just, it took us by surprise because it was like very, it was just thrown in our faces, like what happened, he was at a sleep test and then was sending some kinky weird text and then it was like we're done. They were deleted, yeah.

It was a whole lot of nothing, or a whole lot of everything but nothing. But with nothing. And then they broke up and then that was it. But then there was this build right before that of him kind of like the party, the get together where he was bizarrely talking about blowjobs and how, you know.

From groupies? Oh yeah, that was weird. From groupies and then. In a year from now. And then his conversation with Monica was more like, hey, just if you like it in the butt, just you know I'm down. It's like holy shit.

Yeah, shit got weird. Yeah, it was just, he was trying so hard to see how much of a freak she might be. That's my biggest ick. Anyways, we'll get into that later this episode. Wait, what's your biggest ick? I don't know, just like when men try to casually have a conversation about sex,

if we're already doing it, we don't need to talk about it, and if we're not doing it, I don't need to hear about yours. Is it a bigger ick than throwing a passive aggressive temper tantrum because your partner won't get on birth control because you don't want to wear condoms? No, that was crazy. That was crazy. Yeah, I mean, that one,

but that one I feel like I could hold my own. The sex thing, I'm like, I just stop talking. So like with the birth control, you would just get pissed and ready to fight back. Shut up. But with like the, do you like it in the butt? You're just, you can't really. Malfunction. I could just only. You shut down. Yeah, and she's like, I you like it in the butt? You're just, you can't really. Malfunction.

I could just only. You shut down. Yeah, and she's like, I chose you. I chose you, like what the fuck? I mean, that was, I think maybe the second, maybe third time he said like, I want you to treat me like I'm meat. I want you to jump me.

And she was like, I don't, I see you as a human being. Yeah, he's in the summit. He likes the. Freaky stuff. He likes pegs, being pegged. Just occasionally. I won't beg for it. For his birthday or something.

I love how he was like, I mean, not every day. Whoa, okay. She's like, I should have a foot rub. We're not yucking anybody's yum. No, we're not yucking anyone's yum. And we're not king shaming. We are self-awareness shaming. It was the like, we're doing this on camera

for the world to see, like, it just out of nowhere. It just felt like- Also like, you know, in a context of like, hiding this very important part of you, you know, until you get engaged and you reveal this between an engagement and a wedding, that's crazy. I'm sorry, if one second you're talking about

not knowing if you wanna walk down the aisle with me and then the next day you're asking for my butt, like, it's just, it's not, the contrast is not- I'm sorry, if one second you're talking about not knowing if you wanna walk down the aisle with me and then the next day you're asking for my butt, like it's just, it's not, the contrast is not. I'm not interested. No, exactly. I won't be bending over. I think that's what she said. I wouldn't be bending over.

Verbatim. They had hours, hours, hours to talk in the pot and you didn't wanna bring up the fact that you like a little bit of pain? I feel like that, maybe, and we can honestly ask Monica or anyone else that we interviewed from Love is Bind, is like, are kinks disgust? Because I feel like that- and we can honestly ask Monica or anyone else that we interviewed from love is blind is like do our kinks discussed because I feel like that what is off-limits because I feel like kinks is like Listen, that's what you're into and like if I'm your wife like I wanna I want to please you the way you want to be pleased

But if I got to do some crazy shit, I'm not comfortable with I need to know that beforehand But this isn't about really Kings, this is about the fact that he clearly, despite being an engaged man, he clearly had a unique lifestyle going on prior to the show and for whatever reason decided to go on the show, even though living in this universe, whatever this universe is,

and then when he got outside of the pods, he tried to like, you know, what's the difference between that and like the guy who has a second family? He was trying to have two different lives at the same time. You know, he was trying to- Tyler. A little different.

It's a little different. Also, it was, yeah. Getting pegs, having him- I mean, I don't know, wait a second. He was trying to hide a side of him that he didn't want, he wasn't ready to share with her. But wasn't he just a sperm donor? Yeah.

Are we talking about Steven or Tyler here? Well, no, because you just said- Tyler. Oh, I didn't know you moved on. No, no, no, I'm sorry. Because you talking about Steven or Tyler here? Well, no, because you just said- No, no, no. Because you said second family, and I was like, huh, Tyler. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that seems unclear. Really quickly, he does say sperm donor,

but there are photos of him very much involved in these children's lives. Like Christmas, like on- Yeah, it complicates it a little bit. Like it's giving not sperm donor, but- Because sperm donor, I mean, that's an interesting conversation. It is, yeah.

That's something you need to reveal. Like if you were someone in college who needed a couple bucks, It's giving not sperm donor. Because sperm donor, I mean, that's an interesting conversation. It is, yeah. That's something you need to reveal. Like if you were someone in college who needed a couple bucks and you just didn't think twice about it and then you're turning into some sperm and then five years later you're dating someone who's like, wait, technically I guess you're a dad out there?

But he's like, yeah, I guess, but I don't really know. I signed a waiver, I'm not involved, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's not the same as being in... But what if it's his close friends and he just helped them have babies like that's not the same as like being in like. But like what if it's his close friends and he just like helped them have babies, but like they live in the same neighborhood.

There's clearly more to the story. True. And that definitely should have been discussed in the parts. Because if he had nothing to hide, he wouldn't have hit it. It would have been a beautiful story. Or like maybe he doesn't like see them as his children in that type of way. So that's why he didn't bring it up from,

because he is the sperm donor that like helps take care of the kids, but they're not his kids. He just shows up. I don't know. There's gonna be one of those. We'll see. Speaking of sperm donor, are y'all a part of Bret Talk? I have no idea what that is.

Does he donate sperm? No, this is the craziest story ever. I came across it yesterday. It's called Bret Talk, and people are like, surviving Maria is like this story. So basically, this man named Bret, he had a one-night stand with this woman named Maria and they both like equally agreed like you know what, not each other's person that was fun like bye and then a few

years later she's like hey like I really want to have kids I haven't been able like I haven't been lucky in love like would you please like get me pregnant and he was like thought about for a while weighed the weighed the pros and cons, and then was like, yeah, sure, like I'll help you out. Signed a whole thing being like, I'm, you know, I'm not involved, this is a you thing, I'm literally just giving you my sperm. Fast forward, he like goes out of town for something,

he's away for work for a while, she's like contacting. How much did you fast forward? Is she pregnant? She's pregnant. She's pregnant. And she's reaching out to his family to invite them to the baby shower. She's hanging out with his family.

So then his parents are like, Brett, honey, maybe you should be involved. It's a girl, you have a daughter, maybe you should. And he was like, ah, maybe, okay. He goes to the hospital, he's there for the birth. He's very much involved in her life. He works a lot, so he's out of town a lot. I think he has Airbnb, that's his source of income

or something, and she's like, can we stay in your Airbnb? We don't have anywhere else to live. Well then how does he get income? Exactly. Maybe he's got one Airbnb. And she's living in it. And so she stays in it for a while.

Then she's like, if you wanna see our daughter, you've gotta pay all of her child support and you can have her for one weekend a month at your parents' house. And he's like, okay, like what, you know, he's very much like, okay, okay, whatever, whatever, whatever. Whose POV is this story?

This is Brett's POV. I think Maria has been running her mouth and I just haven't come across that yet on my For You page. Maria Talk. Surviving Maria, I believe. Anyways, and so then she gets this new boyfriend, he gets a new girlfriend, the boyfriend is around the daughter a lot,

he tries to get his girlfriend around his daughter, she's like, Marie's like, absolutely the fuck not, like you're not about to have some chick around my kid. And she's like posting all this stuff on Facebook being like, he's not not around he's not present He's a deadbeat dad like fuck this guy And then and enough his like families getting involved in the comment section on Facebook like crazy She's saying crazy shit, right? He then he pays her 10th child support

He pays her $10,000 up front and then 750 a month Okay for child support, but does he legally have to? Didn't they sign something saying- She asked for child support. He's like, you know what? He's being very like, I'll just help you. I'll help you, like it's my kid, whatever. Finds out, paternity test, not his kid! Whoa, whoa!

Not his kid! So he makes this whole video. She responds and she's like, the collection date was August 24th, 2024 Well, I had my daughter August 24th 2024. This girl's like three years old It's crazy So for three years this man thought it was his literally. I don't know. She's actually three but she's she's a She's not she's not a newborn. Poor Brett. Don't even know who Brett is. I know

They should go is Jerry Springer still a thing? Maury. Maury, oh my God, get these girls on Maury. Not the father. Crazy, everyone's like, take her to court, get that tin can back. Judge Judy needs to get it on. I'm just like, how persuasive is this woman?

I'm like, she literally bamboozled him into doing exactly what he said he wasn't gonna do. So basically she was pregnant before I slept with her and then was like, I'm ovulating, oh, I'm pregnant. It worked. She needed that money, she needed that Airbnb. Yeah, crazy stuff. I mean, honestly, Brett though, what were you thinking?

Yeah. I think he was trying to help us run. I like to think that Maria had like a cork board behind her with all of the red tape going like, Airbnb check, 10,000 check. He had a one night stand with someone. Yeah, I know, I don't know. Bummer.

Anyways, we'll really break down Love is Blind later in the episode, especially when Jut joins us. You may know him as Demi Lovato's fiance. He's got some new music coming out. He's also a big Love is Blind fan. Him and Demi have been watching it like crazy, and he's joining us to break it all down later this episode. I know we mentioned we have this sweet gentleman, Charles,

who sadly went home last night. Unfortunately for us, not for Charles. Charles is traveling the world. He is enjoying life. He's had some internet issues, so we wanted to wait till next week to bring Charles on so that we could clearly understand him and let Charles enjoy his vacation.

But fear not, we have Keith joining us in his place. Keith who, I really, he's cried, cried. Just a big, tall, beautiful man crying because Chalk went home, which by the way, like spoiler alert, I mean, I don't know this for sure, but how does Chalk not win at this point? His mom died, he left, and then came back? I mean, come on.

It's very much giving a winner. A lot of twists. I mean, you know? I say the top two are gonna be Chuck and Mark, and then your new Golden Bachelor. It's Chuck and then who gives a fuck? It's as far as Joan is concerned. It's like the Joan and Chuck show,

and then like the friendship, you know, all the boys falling in love with each other, which I'm here for. I'm here for. Like, loving, I loved everything about this episode. Speaking of drama, I know, I don't know, maybe you guys may or may not care about this before we jump into stats versus vibe,

but if you guys love drama, you have to be paying attention to what's going on with the New York Jets. And why is that, do you tell? Because they fired their coach, Robert Sala, who, by the way, is best friends with your boy, Matty LaFleur, our Peter Schrager, who joined us a couple weeks ago

to talk about the NFL. Because you got Matt LaFleur, you got Robert Sala, you got Sean McVeigh, you got Shanahan. They're like the young up and coming coaches, and everyone's been having successes, except for Robert Sala, but Robert Sala, you know who he coaches? Aaron Rodgers.

Aaron Rodgers is kind of an old diva at this point, and so there's a lot of speculation. So what happened was Aaron Rodgers, offensive coordinator, who used at this point. And so there's a lot of speculation. So what happened was like Aaron Rodgers, offensive coordinator who used to play for the Packers, he's not very good. He's not a good coach. Everyone knows this. I'm not even trying to talk shit,

but Rodgers likes him. And when you have a hall of fame, old quarterback, he kind of gets his way, especially when you play for an organization like the Jets who is like literally hasn't won in forever. So they're desperate. They're desperate. They don't have a mascot.

No mascot. No mascot. And so Aaron Rodgers is kind of like, I want my friend here, I want this friend here. It's how do you win when you like are hiring your friends who like are no longer good at football or like when you're hiring coaches who like aren't necessarily good at coaching.

But like Aaron Rodgers, God bless him. He's done a lot of great things for the Green Bay Packers, but he is like kind of- He said the whole family eats. Running the ship, so to speak. And so speculation is that they tried to fire his friend, which may or may not be true, and then five minutes later, guess who got fired?

Robert Sala. So a lot of people are thinking that Aaron Rodgers got his coach fired, and then Robert Sala got escorted out of the building. He showed up for work, thought he was coaching for a game, and then got escorted out of the building, which some say, like, hey, that's what happens, you get fired, but I don't believe most coaches

get escorted out of the building by security. Yeah, like, can that's what happens, you get fired, but I don't believe most coaches get escorted out of the building by security. Did they send an email? Yeah, did they? A phone call? A phone call, perhaps? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that the game or the practice? I mean, it was a Tuesday morning.

Okay, so less embarrassing, but yeah. Oh, still, still pretty good. Everybody, everybody that knows you. He wasn't allowed to address his team or anything like that, or maybe that's. He couldn't even address the team. No, no, yeah. Why?

Because he's fired. I wonder if they said he was like a danger or something. Whatever excuse they had, they were like, or maybe that's. He couldn't even address the team. No, no, yeah. Why? Because he's fired. I wonder if they said he was like a danger or something. Whatever excuse they had, they were like, he can't talk. But the good news is for him, he signed a contract, they still owe him, he's making, I don't know, like for the next two years, I don't know, millions of dollars. Easy money, there you go. Well, I like that setup.

Yeah. I don't have to show up to work and I still get my salary. Okay, okay. Aaron Rodgers getting his coach fired? Well, we don't know that, right? You're saying that's alleged? I think. Aaron Rodgers getting his coach fired? Well, we don't know that, right? You're saying that's a legend? I think if Aaron Rodgers wanted to keep his coach,

he wouldn't be, I think he'd still be the coach. Is this what the Jets do? Do they escort everyone who gets fired out? I don't think this happens. I've never heard of a coach being escorted out of the building. Has Robert said anything? Well, through people like Peter, that he was shocked.

He didn't see it coming. Did not see it coming. Do you think he's gonna address the world at all? Maybe do Instagram Live? Oh my God, oh my God, YouTube video. I got fired and escorted from the Jets. I think he should do an eight part TikTok series. Yes.

Yeah, really lean into the drama. Do you feel like he's the type? Or do you think he's just gonna? No, I don't think he's the type. It says that he broke his silence after firing. Broke his silence. So dramatic, I love it. It seems like he took the high road

and was thanking the Jets for the opportunity to work with so many incredible people. I will always be appreciative of the love and support from everyone from one Jet's drive. He's gonna get a job somewhere else. He'll have to be a defensive coordinator again before he gets to be a head coach again. But I think a lot of Packer fans are hoping

because he's besties with Matt LaFleur, but he's still getting paid that he comes maybe and like comes as a consultant, you know, for maybe a little bit. That honestly sounds like best case scenario. Sometimes getting fired in that type of situation, like you're still getting paid, you get your severance money,

and you get to just hang out. I mean honestly, it's kind of a Looney Tune band over at the New York Jets address. Hear me out. I think I accidentally dyed my hair purple and it's kind of a loony tune band over at the New York Jets address. Hear me out. I think I accidentally dyed my hair purple and it triggered something in the universe and it was like boom, boom, fire, boom, boom, lose. Like it just like. Butterfly fucked?

The butterfly like Armageddon, like what if this triggered the end of the world? Whoa. Think about it. So you think your hair is connected to the national football league? Maybe. Okay. Well, actually what I heard is his hair is connected to the universe. Oh, okay. On a grander dive. Well, actually, what I heard is it's connected to the universe.

Oh, okay. On a grander scale. Sorry, sorry, I wasn't thinking globally. I was thinking globally. The football is some people's universe. God complex. No, no, no, no. Taylor Swift's really embracing her fandom.

She is. She wants to fucking kill herself. Well, listen. She says that. Allegedly. Allegedly, there is a video of her responding to a play, we presume, by Travis Kelce, and her mouthing what we think is trigger warning. She says that. Allegedly. Allegedly there is a video of her responding to a play, we presume, by Travis Kelce,

and her mouthing what we think is trigger warning. Is that us thinking that or the internet? I think it's we need to be careful before we speculate while reading lips. Natalie's good at lip reading, I remember this. She's good at lip syncing. Oh, wait. Didn't we read?

No, because wasn't someone on a red carpet before a while back and you undersaid everything they said? Oh, I feel like actually that's? No, because wasn't someone on a red carpet before like a while back and you like underset everything they said? Oh, I feel like actually that's true. I forgot who it was. I mean, we can all guess, sure. You should do one of those like bad lip reading videos. That's, which is very prevalent in NFL footage.

And you can see Brittany Mahomes going, fuck, fuck, fuck. I mean, that looks pretty fucking kill myself. It does look like it. Well, once we have that in our head. Yeah, that's all you can see. That's all you can see. What kind of looks like, oh my, oh my God as well.

You can see that in there. I don't know. She's a professional enunciator. So I think it's perfect. I think the important takeaway here is that she is a real fan. She's not just showing up with the glitz and the glamour and the attention.

She is all in. She is invested. And just like me, when something bad happens, she stands up, screams, and says something crazy, like catch the fucking ball, as if I could do that, which I can't, but you know what I'm saying? She is passionate. She's real, she's upset, she's emotional,

she's traumatized, she's a fan. She's a fan, short for fanatic, let's not forget. She is football. Yeah, well, do you think she's more vibes or stats? I think Taylor's definitely stats. I think she's a mastermind Yeah, she's she's like let's well you want me to guess who wins. Let's break down the data I think yeah, she wants data. She wants Easter eggs She wants data tree pain is like tree pain is giving her like a six page document on every single player

What if we find out that like because of her like just you know real investment in the NFL then you turn turns out that like Taylor Swift has a gambling problem or something that's what I was thinking. That would be kind of crazy. What if the games were being rigged for Taylor Swift to join them? I mean they did win last Super Bowl the Chiefs. They did. They're going for a three beat. And that's when she started dating him. Yep. Well before. Well but right. Yeah. In between their first and second one. Good point. Yeah. Are we gonna accuse Taylor Swift of being a bandwagon fan? No, what else? No, I'm accusing her of running the NFL. Oh, okay.

Calling shots. I did for a while have a conspiracy theory that like this was all a grand scheme before I was like, oh, they actually look like they're just in love. I was like, this is a grand scheme. Taylor Swift was partnering with the NFL in order to like bring revenue back to the NFL. And good for her. I was like convinced. I think the NFL is order to bring revenue back to the NFL. I was convinced. I think the NFL's making so much money.

They are the number one television show primetime, right? There's some stuff. Yeah. Yeah, but they wanna be four quadrant and a quadrant they were missing was Swifties. I think they have welcomed Taylor Swift into the NFL with all the arms. Oh, I think my conspiracy theory was proven wrong,

but for a minute there I did I did believe it Okay, anyway, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about the lines the Cowboys in the Cowboys How Mary hot yee-haw Similar colors, okay similar colors, but let's start with the Detroit Lions So they were originally the Portsmouth Spartans of Portsmouth, Ohio but moved to Detroit in 1934. They're named the Lions because of the baseball team the Tigers. So is that true? Yeah according to Wikipedia. Wow. Yeah. These

people are so unoriginal. I know but synergy. Like jets, they rhyme with Mets. Synergy. I don't know. Anyway their colors are Honolulu blue. Honolulu. Silver, black, and white. And apparently the owner was just like inspired by the water in Hawaii, but for Detroit? The owners of these teams pick the names of the colors. Sometimes.

I think it's like front of the house. It is their team. I don't know. If you, I mean, it's. I guess. I don't know. It's their toy. If I had one, it'd be like, pop your pussy pink. If you, I mean, it's, they pay for it. I guess. I don't know. It's their toy.

If I had one, it'd be like, pop your pussy pink. And I'd make everyone like have to say that. Wait, that was great. It's a very specific color too. Right? Like I can see it. Pop your pussy pink. I would love to see the grown men in suits

doing their like sports center. All right, we've got an update from team owner, Natalie Joy. Color changed. Pop your pussy pink. That's incredible. I would wear, I imagine it's a beautiful, beautiful shade. It's giving like kind of fuchsia, you know what I'm saying? Triple P.

Does it glow in the dark? PPP. Oh maybe. Like when you turn off the light, do you still kind of see it? Oh, I would love that, yeah. Illuminescent? Bi-illuminescent.

Bi-illuminescent. Yeah. It is the same color as the Dallas Cowboys. Kind of. Different shades. Because I don't know. I don't understand why it's Honolulu blue when it's in Michigan But this is also how I found out well not found out remembered that Detroit was in Michigan. I always forget I forget that Midwest states still exist in the Midwest. Cancelled. Like when I went to school in Chicago, I fully thought it was in Indiana until I realized I was moving to Illinois.

No, have y'all seen those maps? It's like, this is what I view the map of, and it's like New York, California, Texas, Florida. Yeah, and like being- Yeah, it's the United States. Being from Florida, I was like, okay, like the Midwest is just like cold and corn. And then like Chicago. That's how I saw it.

Anyway, but so yeah, so Honolulu blue in Detroit, Michigan. Perfect. Their mascot is Rory the lion. This diva, look at that bob. Oh my God. Look at that bob. The way he's snatched. He's cute.

Yeah, the only mascot known to have a fuck ass ball. I feel like it's honestly a woman because she kind of looks like she's got some like... She's giving. Hip action? Yeah. Implants. Yeah. No.

In my photo. She seems like a great hang. Is she not giving like, knockers? I don't know. She is giving. He's kind of giving knockers. She is giving. Love that for her.

Yeah, honestly. Roarie. Not that for her. Honestly, not relatable. And I would, that's my inspo. I'm taking it to the doctor's office. I feel like she always has like an amazing leave-in champ, like, leave-in conditioner. Like she knows what she's doing. Biotin hair supplements.

She's got a comb in her pocket for sure. She does. Anyway, one time she pretended to fight with a giant inflatable player during a game I'm gonna guess her because I would not cross that woman. She's a comedy queen is on say Rory such a great name for a lady Rory Are Rory Rory Rogers, I literally wrote it in the corner of my paper

I was like, oh, it's a good name to think about later on in life. Rory? Yeah, like a kid. Rory Gilmore? I didn't watch it, but awful. Awful. Awful character. Based off your information last week, the vibes went with the New York Jets. We all know how the vibes are going with the New York Jets.

And it turns out the Minnesota Vikings, who they didn't pick, did a really cool parent trap touchdown dance. I don't know if you've. Yeah, I saw that. We wanted to ask you if you could start adding in like what is like the most, like the best. Handshakes. Handshakes. Like celebration when they touchdown. Or sometimes when the defense gets a turnover,

turnovers when they take the ball from the offense, that whole defense will celebrate sometimes in a very creative way. Okay, may I explain? Apple turnover? I'll start. I didn't know. You said it. No, I did. If there turnover? I'll start. I didn't know. You said it.

No, I did. I love men, I can explain that for sure. I suck. Hey, guys, if there's one thing I love, it's choreo. So I will look into it. Thank you. The Dallas Cowboys have choreo. Dallas Cowboys do have choreo.

What's choreo? Choreography. Choreography. Oh, I'm sorry, I shouldn't know that. Also, the Detroit Lions have never been to the Super Bowl. They, actually, the Detroit Lions hold the record for being the only team to lose 16 consecutive games in a row. You just casually knew that? They've never won a Super Bowl.

That's the only question I care about. They're the only franchise operational for the entire Super Bowl era to not win a Super Bowl. Sorry, they've lost 16 consecutive games. They hold the record. One year they went win went winless. And they've never been to the Super Bowl. When you Google, have the Detroit Lions ever been good? Google AI says yes, the Detroit Lions have been good but they have also had many seasons of disappointment. Real as fuck. Poor Taylor Lautner. I mean, he's just, just out here. He's a Lions fan.

How many backflips does someone have to do before they win a Super Bowl? He's just alone in the stands. He's obviously not doing enough. Taylor, you are not doing enough for these Lions, these girls. Commit. Commit to bet.

They're owned by the Ford family because of Detroit. Bought in 1963 by William Clay Ford, senior, but was passed down to his widow when he died. His widow, Martha Firestone Ford, was the heir of the Firestone Ford. I was about to say, Firestone. Tires and cars together. That's a-

What a legacy. That's a marriage. That is a marriage. Do we think it was by choice or do you think they were like, we need a link? An arranged marriage situation? Yeah. I mean, tires and tires. It was in 1963 Nick. You were alive then what happened? Yeah, what was what was a arranged marriage in and big business families like I'm dirty It was just so quick. Look at that.

I'm a vampire. I honestly feel like I don't need to hear anything else about the lions because it's a no. It's not the lion. It's a no. It's gross. Okay, well now we're going to talk about the cowboys. Give it to me.

The cheerleaders are hot. Yeah. The cheerleaders are. They have a Netflix special. They do have a Netflix special. Their cheerleaders are. Right? Yeah. They have a Netflix special. They do have a Netflix special. Their cheerleaders are very iconic. Their colors are navy blue, metallic silver, royal blue, silver green, and white.

Silver green. Silver green? Silver green? Oh. Often referred to as America's team. Yeah. Imagine labeling yourself as America. Kind of ego.

Kind of cringe. Kind of lame as fuck. Because Packer fans and Steeler fans would love to argue about that claim. Yeah, yeah, okay. Rich. That's how I feel about the Cowboys. Privileged.

Like rich. Yeah, yeah, like- Well they are the most valuable sports franchise in the world. Yeah, and it's like, what the hell up? You know what I mean? That's how I feel. Um, their mascot is Rowdy. So yes, we do have Rory versus Rowdy in this game. They're gonna fight.

They are gonna fight. I hate him. He's cute. He looks like a fuckboy. Yeah, he is. He looks like if Yosemite Sam got put on a watch list. No, a nepo fuckboy. He's a nepo fuckboy.

He looks like he got kicked out of Toontown for being too aggressive. He does. He looks like there's something going on in those eyes that you will never, like there's no light in the eyes. He looks like he yodels in Walmart. He looks like he Hannibal Lecter'd Mason Ramsey. The crickets.

I don't like this guy. That was crazy. Holy shit. Are you telling me I'm wrong? Wow. I think he's cute. I think he is, my sleep paralysis is in the corner. Yeah. I am scared of him.

He's kinda hot. Really? I think so. Do you think him and Rory would hook up at a blind bar? I think Rory would be very nice, but she would decimate him. Decimate?

She would decimate him emotionally, not physically. Okay, okay, okay. Because she uses her words. Also, role housewives of Dallas, there was a Dallas cowgirl, or I don't know if she's called a cowgirl, but like. Okay, okay, okay. Because she uses her words. Also, roll housewives of Dallas, there was a Dallas cowgirl, or I don't know if she's called a cowgirl, but like a dancer on the original set. Yeah.

Didn't they cancel that? They did. After four or five seasons, yeah. That's shocking that Dallas couldn't make it work. It had a following. Yeah, it was kind of boring. Yeah. It was like, if I have to watch you go to one more event

and decorate a hat, I'll lose it. Yeah. So the Lions and the Cowboys both play every Thanksgiving. They're like the two teams that like do the whole Thanksgiving game. So they don't like to hang out with their families. Yeah. Oh.

Basically. Who started that trend? The Lions. Oh. So Cowboys kind of riding the coattails as so-called America's team. Well, it seems more to me like the Lions are like, we hate our families.

Like we have to play. And the Cowboys are like, oh no, but like fine. I mean, we're doing so well, but I guess. Yeah. If you need someone to play again. I kind of hate that the lions are pulling the cowboys away from their families during that time. So you feel, so you, you don't think that the cowboys are

like, hmm, maybe this is a really good excuse that we have to go and be like the lions and we can't be with our little families. I don't think so. But if you do, Mary, I trust you. I don't know. I don't know. So we got I think the Cowboys. I think the Cowboys too.

OK, you can't. Mary can't. She can't. What are you going to go? You're going to go Lions. I might switch over to knowledge just for this one time. I cannot. I cannot. Don't let the door hit you with a good word. Splitsh cannot, I can't, I can't support the Dallas Cowboys. Game two. Game two. We have the Falcons and the Panthers. So the Falcons we talked about before so we're just gonna zip right

through it. Black, red, silver, and white. I think that's kind of boring. Mascot pretty the Falcon. We love him. We do. We love him. Love. The Panthers. The Panthers. Owned by Arthur Blank who owns the Home Depot. Listen, I think my only stake in this fire is that Cam Newton who did win the national championship for Auburn played for the Panthers. Yeah. So I feel like that's what I would necessarily go Panthers and Atlanta Falcons again have never been good But yeah, please continue with our stats Their bio on Twitter for the Falcons is we're swagging. We're surfing hate that me, too It reminds me of something a boy who bullied me in elementary school and wore those stupid little Nike socks

I know I'm talking about the fightin's yeah cool though Like always the crew socks and then they always had like the shorts and they were like kind of color coordinated but never quite color coordinated and they always had some shit to say. They did. And that's what their bio would be so I don't like that. But their Instagram account on the Falcons also has a link to a Dutch fan page and apparently they have a surprisingly dedicated fan base in the Netherlands. And it's very funny because it's just regular football host, but it's like all in German. And so it's just these like really stressed out German guys yelling over football.

Highly recommend checking out. I do love the Netherlands. Atlanta Falcons Dutch Lund. I eat that up. I did look at that Instagram page yesterday while researching. Anyway, so that's the Falcons. So if you love the Netherlands, then maybe you'll support them. And then the Jaguars?

Who's the other one? The Carolina Panthers. Oh, different cats. So their colors are black, process blue. Process? Like, process the process blue. And silver. That's a terrible color name.

Or like, process? I know. Overprocessed blue? It sounds like processed meat. Oh, artificial? GMO? Yeah, I don't know. Listen, I didn't name it. I wouldn't have done that their mascot

sir per This is like if Lisa Vanderpump created a mask wait, she's cute sir per Wow Is sir per wearing a bunny costume in that? Yes. I love. Is that Pop Your Pussy Pink? That kind of is, but it's Sir Purr and Pop Your Pussy Pink. You move over to Sour Doseam because Sir Purr has the best mascot name in the NFL. No, I would die for Sir Purr. Um, this is the cutest little guy in the entire world. Like, I... He's never done anything wrong. He's never. In his entire life.

Anyway, so the Panthers, a very young team in the team the NFL started in 1993 played their first game in 95 millennial representation Here for it, which is important. Also a unifying figure. There is no North or South Carolina. There's only Carolina They play sweet Caroline by Neil Diamond after everyone Panthers for sure Right? Unity. Yeah. That's cute. Yeah. Like, the Carolinas ain't that. Yeah. They play Sweet Caroline by Neil Diamond after everyone. Panthers for sure. Yeah. Steph Curry is a Panthers fan.

Well, okay. Yeah. And their mantra is keep pounding. Okay. Hell yeah. Damn. Sexy. We're going Panthers.

We're going Panthers. I'm gonna go Falcons. I'm gonna go Panthers. Yeah. I'm back. I'm back. I got the bias. How quickly? Okay, all right, well. Yeah, that's bad football. Super hot. Anything in household headlines

that feels like really pressing that we should really let the household. Well, Hannah got arrested. Yeah. Love Island USA Hannah. Love Island USA. I did meet Miguel and Cordell in person last night. Oh.

It was a Got Milk event. It was a Got Milk, put on this speed dating situation at a Mel's Diner. I didn't go there. Really quickly, do you wanna know something about me and Got Milk? Yes, I do. Yeah.

The Jar Queen or? Got Milk. I do not know. Got Milk. I don't know her, but I do love her. I know. But the ads, I used to rip them out and had a whole, they were taped all over my wall.

And every time I had, every single morning I had milk, I did the, I put it up on my top lip and I'd say got milk every single morning. I loved, I loved the ads. Loved their campaign. Loved the campaign. So I feel like I actually should have been more involved in this than you should have been.

Yeah, wow. Interesting, got milk. Anyways, got milk, they're trying to get people to fall in love and I really quite liked, I mean I do think, we've been talking about this show, more people need to get outside and meet people in person. It was some sort of speed dating where people were falling in love,

we were there to support. Wait, why were you, Cordell, and Miguel there? I'm a man of love, I don't know if you know this about me. They're all in relationships. But it's speed dating. Well, they're from Love Island, they are recently in love. No, I know you guys are in love. I'm someone who offers love advice to people, so I don't know. So you're from Love Island. They are recently in love. No, I know you guys are in love. I'm someone who offers love advice to people,

so I don't know. So you guys are mentors, okay. The question is, yeah, were there other people there that were there for speed dating? Yeah, yeah, there were real daters, real singles dating inside Mel's Dating Room. Oh, okay. And we were outside, you know.

You guys were the icons, looking up to you guys. Good examples. We were there, we were meat. Yeah, we were just there for eye candy. I have a question about this. What if somebody at the speed dating got milk ad was lactose intolerant? Is that allowed?

Were you drinking milk? Yeah, how does the milk? I had three milkshakes. Oh milkshakes. Well they kept handing them to me for a pix and you know me. How's your tummy? Mm.

Yeah. Holy shit, literally. All right. How did we get into this conversation? You were telling her? Oh Hannah got arrested. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. Literally, all right. How did we get into this conversation? You were telling us. Oh, Hannah got arrested. Yeah. Woo! Anyways, Miguel and Cordell, sweet, nice, loving?

Very nice, very lovely, very sweet. Yeah, Cordell's just as charming and sweet as you would think. Did he make you laugh? He didn't make me cry. I didn't expect that. Thank God. Yeah, they're very nice, very, very nice people.

Sweet, so Hannah, did you ask him about Hannah? I did not. No, you should not. Yeah, they're very nice very very nice people sweet so Hannah Did you ask him about Hannah? I did not. Oh you should know well. I mean what like Missed opportunity. Kind of awkward titch. You know it's just like hey how about this person you were on a show with what do you think about that? It's like I don't know. I guess it's law. Hannah Smith arrested for threatening to kill a cop which I mean it sounds like she technically did But we all I feel like we can all assume that she was drunk being escorted I'll fucking kill you We just read Taylor Swift's lips saying I'm gonna kill myself Let me read the details just so the audience knows

So basically Hannah was at a concert venue in Atlanta September 30th was the concert Gracie Abrams? Wow When she was escorted out for being disorderly. A police officer was on scene and tried to take Hannah to an Uber when the reality star allegedly tried kicking and punching the cop with a closed fist. Hannah was placed under arrest and was in the police car on the way to jail when she allegedly repeatedly threatened

to kill the officer and the officer's sister. Hannah was charged with two felonies. Wait, why was the officer's sister there? Maybe she really loved Gracie Abrams. She was going hard, I don't know. Was this an off-duty cop? Maybe she went to high school with him and knows that he had a sister.

I'm assuming he's on duty if he's the one escorting her out. But basically, Hannah was charged with two felonies, terroristic threats, and willful obstruction of law enforcement officer. Hannah was released on bail the next day and returned posting to social media with no mention of her arrest. Oh!

She just got back to work? Yeah, this is fresh too, so. It's not a hometown situation, she's from North Carolina, so. Yeah. This is in Atlanta. Be mindful of your intake of substances, if ever, you know, I'm assuming she was drinking or

For sure. Or something. To your point though, like, it does sound like a situation where someone's drunk and they just go too far, but she happened to go too far with the wrong person. And I'm like, terroristic threats. Yeah, that's. Like, that sounds like a scary thing to have on your record. That's a weird they just go too far. But she happened to go too far with the wrong person. And I'm like, terroristic threats. That sounds like a scary thing to have on your record. That's a weird, that's a weird.

You know what I mean? Like it sounds very intense. I mean, that doesn't seem like a- That doesn't seem like terroristic threats. That seems like you get drunk and yell at a cop. I'm a fucking gal you! I'm a fucking gal you! You still didn't bet!

Why can't the charges be like sloppy- Drunk and disorderly? Drunk and disorderly conduct. Yeah. The punching and kicking though? Wet and reckless. Punching and kicking does take it to the next level. Wait, Drunken disorderly conduct. Yeah. The punching and kicking though. Wet and reckless. Punching and kicking does take it to the next level. Wait, wait, disorderly conduct. I bet it still seems to fit.

Yeah. But that's when she was taken out. Like she was removed because of disorderly conduct. Kicking and punching, you know, I don't know. What's like, is this? So regardless. That's hitting a cop. I don't know.

But terrorist, they're calling her a terroristic threat. And then like, if she threatened to kill him, that's getting terrorist. I mean, that would say basically the entire cast of Vanderpump Rules could be terrorists. Says a terrorist threat involves threatening to commit an act of violence that would endanger others with a reckless disregard for the harm it would cause. If you joke about having a bomb or a gun on an airplane,

for example, you could be charged with making a terrorist threat. Well, part of a terrorist is like invoking fear in people. I'm just saying, she's drunk in the back seat, who knows what she's saying, that I'm like clearly, I mean, and you pissed off the wrong cop, I don't know. But that's clear, she pissed off the wrong cop. You just know that this body cam footage

is gonna be swirling. Are they gonna release it? I really hope that Gracie Abrams is like performing in the background. And I hope Gracie Abrams is performing in the background. And I hope that J.J. Abrams has to make a statement. Gracie Abrams is the... You didn't know. You didn't know.

You didn't know that. Yes. Gracie Abrams is J.J. Abrams' daughter. Yeah. What? Net-po. Yeah. But we love her.

But talented. Yeah, we love her. Yeah, if you have talent, I don't care. Yeah, fuck. I wanna be you when I come back in next life. Also, Love is Blind, so we know Leo and Brittany broke up. So they've spoken out to People Magazine about why they broke up,

because originally when watching the show we didn't know. Let me guess, they didn't like each other. Well, so if you're asking Leo, if you're asking Leo, he said. No, you're right. I mean, Leo's perspective, he said, as things settle down, you're kind of like, okay, we're here, you're wearing my ring on your finger,

let's talk about this. We had a lot of conversations throughout the trip and mutually came to the conclusion that we just didn't see it turning into marriage. If you ask Brittany, Brittany said, the physical connection just simply wasn't there, honestly. We had a talk in the beginning and how this could work out and the time went on during the trip

and the chemistry just wasn't there and we mutually felt that. Gotcha, she hated his face. We could definitely see that with the smothering. This is the most awkward moment of my life. When she said that, yeah. Yeah, and he said, what do you love about me? And she said, it's too much pressure.

I get it, no, I wouldn't be able to tell you anything I loved about him either. But I do, I'm upset, I am truly upset with producers for not taking them to Mexico. Yeah. Really? It's more about being, why they show us their story if we didn't get to see how their story ended But I feel like it had to do with it would have been a messy ending But I don't think so. You don't think so. I don't think they're messy. I this we have enough mess. Yeah, that's true

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Jutes, welcome to the show. Hello. Thank you for having me. Thanks for coming, man. We're excited to have you. We're excited to get into all your love is blind tags. How did you get into it? Me and my fiance definitely just love some reality TV.

It's like my escape from my life and you know what I mean? I can just kind of like numb out. I don't know, maybe it's my attention span is kind of ruined so like movies don't hit like they used to. Really? Yeah. I kind of feel the same way. I'm with movies, I'm bad.

But I can sit there and watch a show for eight hours. Yeah, same. I think it's because it like re-catches me every 45 minutes. Yeah, it's like recap. Yeah, and you're like, oh shit, then you keep saying a new moment. Did Demi get you into reality TV?

Is she in? No. You were in it before. I was in it. I didn't really grow up super on it, but it might've been COVID. Yep. COVID got me into Survivor.

I never watched Survivor growing up. I haven't gotten into Survivor, now he's a big Survivor girl. No, Survivor's so good. Thank you. It's so good. I binged all of it during lockdown. I was by myself in an apartment during lockdown,

so I just kind of, I watched Big Brother for the first time Oh shit, I didn't finish all that But yeah, I just started getting into all these shows and now I'm like, what do you feel like is your favorite? I got my love Island. Oh shit. He's got a Love Ivan Thurman. Yeah. Oh, yeah about this life He is about that. We love that I actually met your fiance Demi because she was a big Bachelor fan

and then she became friends with my friend Demi and then like, we met very nice. Nice. Obviously you know she's nice. Yeah, yeah. She's pretty sick. Just you know she's nice. She's nice.

Anyway. What is your favorite reality TV show since you have watched so many? Probably Love Island. But let me just say that we're not done watching the latest season. You're not. Because we watched the UK stuff.

Like we were busy and we couldn't get to it. So we finished watching the UK and then instantly got into the latest season of, and I'm not sure where we're at, I'd have to rack my brain, because I pivoted to Love is Blind. That's the thing, is like, you'll be watching one and you're like,

this is gonna get spoiled if I don't watch it now. That's true. That's true. So then you have to dive into that. Luckily, I haven't somehow seen spoilers for the US Love Island. That is crazy. It was everywhere for a long time.

Everyone was talking about it. I was just kind of like, I'm not seeing it. My algorithm's not showing me, so don't say anything. Then you got some new music coming up. Always. Always. Yeah, like once a month. Constantly grinding.

I'm like dropping an album as singles. So like a single every month. Is that like the way to do it now these days? That's the way I think that people should do it unless they're very established. For someone like me, it has been super helpful. Every single song gets a month of hardcore promo. I just don't think anyone cares about me enough

for a full album all at once, just being honest. And I don't think people care about a lot of people nowadays unless you're kind of A-list. I think it is hard when full albums come out to really like sit down, listen to every song on the album. And care about it. I've just noticed that dropping an album and having one song kind of get added to the list,

like all the views are up, everybody has time to like listen to one song and like kind of fall in love with it. And then you get to the show and hopefully everyone knows the words to every song like I think it's been working for me So I definitely think that like independent smaller artists should just do singles nowadays Yeah, and is a you know, obviously Demi major superstar How was how is that like do you do you guys collab at all? I mean, I mean like in kind of work together,

does she offer input or do you like to just kind of do your own thing and keep things separate? How do you balance work and in real life? We met in the studio, cause I'm also a songwriter. So we met writing her Holy Fuck album. We did a few songs on there together. Yeah, and I didn't really know why I was being asked to write

With Demi because I like do rock music primarily and so I was like, I'm not really that good of a singer Like I don't know how I'm supposed to write for Demi But I got in the studio and they were like we're doing a rock album and it was insane And that album actually inspired me to go like more into what I'm doing now So we do we have collabed in the sense that we've written a bunch of songs together, but we're also just huge fans of each other. She loves my music, and she's like, I would have been such a huge fan as a kid,

because she was all emo as a kid. So she was just like, yeah, I'm a huge fan of your stuff. I'm obviously a huge fan of her. She's world-class talent. Yeah, your music, I was listening to it this morning. It does bring, I'm a little older, but it brings me back to when some of those, what was some of those bands I used to fucking listen to?

I wish I could name some of them. I'm not faking. But either way, nostalgia, because that's what I'm going for. Yeah, because it has, I'm trying to think of I would listen to that shit all the time. Right. Yeah. King's a Leon? No, no. No. I do like King's a Leon. I like King's a Leon. I like King's a Leon too. But not the fuck it was um 30 Seconds to Mars stuff like that. So I think that 30 Seconds to Mars I so I never got super into them not for the sake of not liking it. I just like listen to the same five bands over and over and over again and I'm cool

with that. So like I don't really explore too much, but my friend who loves them was saying the same thing. And then we kind of found out that like the stuff I'm referencing is the stuff that I think Jared was referencing. So that's probably why. What's the name of the band that sings a song called Starlight?

One of my favorite songs. Muse. Muse, thank you, that's what I was trying to think of. Yeah, they're fire. That's what I'm saying. What are those five bands? Like, who are your inspirations? For this new music, it's a lot of death tones.

I'm liking heavy music that also feels sexy. I love that vibe because I like the occasional scream, like a tasteful scream, but I'm not like a front to back screamo. The whole record I get pretty gassed from too much of that. I love melody. So I love the deaf tones right now. They're huge inspiration for the project I'm rolling out.

The neighborhood, which is kind of not anything like Deftones, but very dark vibes still. Have they, did they end their band? They went on a break, whatever that means. I've seen some- They're on pause. What's that? They're on pause. They're on pause.

I don't know if that's an inside joke. It's a Bravo, real ITV joke. Yeah. Andy Cohen puts Housewives on pause to see if he wants to bring them back for another season. Oh, nice, nice. They're not fired, they're just put on pause. I guess, yeah, then the band was on pause.

They might be coming back, I've heard rumors, like I have no idea, but. Cool. And then I would say like Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Nirvana. I grew up listening to a lot of Third Eye Blind. Red Hot Chili Peppers was my favorite band. My first CD ever.

Nice. My first CD ever was the Chili Peppers. And then Outkast. Okay. I used to listen to that water skiing as a kid. Nice. That's what they had in mind when they were making all their albums with those people water skiing. With like a tape? Nice. Yes, of course. Get real amped up. That's what they had in mind when they were making all their albums

where those people water scared you. With like a tape? No, we would play it on the boat and we were in high school and thought we were cool. We were not. Who asked out who for the first time? Well, we started as friends. So it kind of was like one of those things that morphed.

It wasn't like, can we go on a date? It was like, I didn't,, we weren't thinking of it. Yeah, we weren't thinking of it like that. It was like straight collaboration. And like, obviously when I go in the room and I'm writing with somebody, like this city can be creepy as it is. Like, I'm not trying to be one of the creeps. Like it's very professional and like, people have to get really vulnerable and,

and kind of open up to you about a lot of personal stuff when you're writing with them. So like, there's just like a boundary there that I like to always, um, be cool and not weird. So I'm not even thinking of it like that. And then, you know, we went to some shows and like with other friends, like just like as homies wrote some more songs. And then as time went on, I think I might've said something, I might've like fished for something in a text or something

where I was like, however she responds to this, will let me know how she feels. And I was like, oh, okay, you might be feeling me. And then this is kind of one of those, but it was just like over time, I don't know. It wasn't like this one big moment thing. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. It was cool. I mean, I don't know, it wasn't like this one big moment thing. Gotcha. Yeah.

Okay. It was cool. I mean, I liked that we were friends first because we just got to know each other as homies and there wasn't like. You built a friendship, yeah. Yeah, we weren't like putting on any kind of like trying to be too cool, like it was just very organic.

How did you propose? I wrote a song. Pretty cool. She had some shows in Austria and was it Abu Dhabi or something? She was gone for like two weeks or three weeks and I'm not a guitar player, but I can kind of play some chords. So it took me like a week just to like write the chords for this song. And then I wrote a song and then I practiced it.

And again, I'm not a guitar player. So like rehearsing this song that ends in, will you marry me was really difficult. And I would mess up like three out of four times. So I was like, when it comes time to do this, like I just gotta get lucky and just nail it. I definitely like almost broke down crying a few times, but basically I had her team like, uh, set up some stuff

and distract her and then, yeah, that's great. Yeah. And were you pretty confident that you were going to get the yes or did you go in kind of like, Oh, I was confident. I knew that she wasn't expecting it when I did it and that's why I did it then. Um, so I wanted to keep catch her off guard, but I mean obviously we had mentioned wanting to be married and stuff like that. Hell yeah, man.

All right, well thanks for sharing all that. That was really great. We always love a meet cute story. We do love a meet cute story. I wish I could write music. What's so funny? You just look like a little teenage girl. Like, this is so cute.

It is cute. We talk about love on this show. What do you want me to say? I love that you love love, that's all. What do we want to get into first? What was the most triggering scene on these three episodes for you, if any of them? Or all of them?

The Steven thing was like left field to me. I mean, maybe some people saw it coming with it. I don't know, but I just thought he was a teddy bear. I was like, this guy is gonna get eaten alive by Monica. That's what I thought. I was like, Monica's gonna run the show, maybe that's what she likes, maybe it's perfect. But I was like-

He does love to get- Put in his place. Put in his place, he said. But also I think, and we said this earlier, is it just, it came out of nowhere. It was like, we're just jumping to a couple of couples. There were hints that he was like, I don't know about sexual deviant,

but like he was into some shit and he was, he definitely talked about getting boners all the time. So like, it wasn't like, whoa, this guy's like, he was like, guys, you realize how many blow jobs we're gonna get now that we're famous? Right, like stuff like that, I was like, whoa, what are we talking about, bro? No, and then you felt bad for him in the beginning,

cause it was kind of like Monica being like, I told you, stop talking so much kind of thing. And you're like, oh, but guess. No, and then you felt bad for him in the beginning, because it was kind of like Monica being like, I told you, stop talking so much kind of thing. And you're like, oh, but he's just, he's just trying to be himself. And then once he started talking more, I was like, no, yeah, shut your mouth. Yeah, it's always tough because I don't know like what, there's 24 hours in a day and obviously we're getting these snippets. So like at first, yeah, I agree. I'm like, damn, Monica's like kind of eating this guy alive.

Like he's just like walking on eggshells It kind of felt like he was scared to like say anything disappoint her. I think come to find out I do that though. I'm like every I'll be like they're my favorite and then it'll be like That is me. I always say I go I can't watch these shows especially when they come out and little like snippets like three and four episodes because I'm like rooting so Hard for somebody and then the next one I'm like wait What I you're like clear favorite and then out of nowhere like you episodes, because I'm like rooting so hard for somebody. And then the next one, I'm like, wait, what? I'm like- You're like clear favorite.

And then out of nowhere, like you find out some- I'm like questioning my judgment. Second life, you're like, wait, you have a family back home? No, literally, like we interviewed Tyler like last week and we, it's still unclear, you know, but he seems like, you know, really great guy. They're praying every day. And now all of a sudden, like, do you have a second family?

Do you, are they your kids? I don't know. Yeah, that is really unclear. But I was like, if it's just like a sperm donor situation. But that's what I'm, it's just like, but if it is. But to not say it. Yeah. See, if I did that, if I did that,

I wouldn't even think it was something like, sketchy to bring up. Cause I'd be like, oh, people need that. Yeah, I was helping out my friends. I don't, they have parents, they don't need me. It's like I donate blood all the time and people have my blood in them and I don't know. Yeah, you basically have kids.

It's a little bit more intense than that. But I mean, I have a whole country of people that are just sharing my blood. Saving lives, creating lives. DNA is everywhere. But you're right though, in the pods, I mean, my understanding of the pods is they have hours and hours of just sharing.

You can't look at each other, you can't touch each other. So it's just like unlimited sharing and you're right, like it's not something you would hide. It's just not something you would feel defensive about. You'd be like, I'll give this one time. Like I'd be surprised if I did that and told somebody and they were weird about it, I'd be like, but it's not like I actually have a family. They're not my kids.

This isn't like a sit down, but like, I need to tell you something, don't get mad. Right. This is gonna be a lot. You're like, hold on. It's like, I don't know them. Like, really? But no, there's pictures of them like together on Christmas.

Like the kids are on his shoulders. Like this is a full, like he's spending time with these children. Yeah, the internet is- The internet's dating. During the internet day. Is coming out and some exes have been like, yeah, maybe he's, you know, he may pray, but also-

But I think a lot of what the internet's problem was, was they thought like he just never told Ashley. So I am glad that there is the scene where, I mean, it might be a little too late, but that he does, he is telling her that there are these kids. There seems more to the story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

There does seem more. Cause also like her reaction was like really intense for like what I, I was just like, it's weird he didn't say anything. And I guess she's right, there's so many opportunities for that to come up. Especially them being so big on having kids and kids being a topic for them. Yeah, the whole conversation with her dad about wanting to have kids and starting a family.

And then he has this thing that he needs to share. It was the beginning of the episode, they're talking about wanting to know how many kids they wanna have together and all that stuff, perfect segue to just be like, also, by the way I Do have kids Like I hang out with them sometimes that's wild I have you guys even heard of that being a thing no

No for the sperm donor to show up Contract Like, how do you explain that? It's like, isn't that messed up? Why do I look for everybody else? It's like a breach of contract, I feel like. The other dad's like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this? How do I compete? What did you think of the Marissa Ramses conversation about condom sex and her being like, I don't want to get back on birth control? And he's like, well, I want to enjoy sex. That was a choice.

I don't want to have condom sex. Also, do you ever refer to it as condom sex? Is that normal? I thought that that was so strange, where he was just like, condom sex have condom sex. Also, do you ever refer to it as condom sex? Is that normal? I thought that that was so strange where he was just like, condom sex, condom sex. And I was like- He's 35, that was a weird thing. Protected sex?

I gotta say, it's a weird, it is a giant ick for any guy to just assume that his girlfriend's gonna take the pill. It's a double standard too. Is there not things you can do as a dude, I'm sure? I feel like. No, but it was this whole thing where it's like, they have this conversation about,

are they ready to have kids? Are they not ready to have kids? He's like, I'm three to five years out. Ramses, if you're listening, is someone who like, took a while to have his first kid. You're never gonna be ready. I've always wanted to be a dad, but then there's never, I think, I don't know what it's like to be a woman,

but as a guy, as someone who's always wanted to be a dad, but then there's never, I think, I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but as a guy, as someone who's always wanted to be a dad, I never woke up and was like, today's the day I'm ready to have this crazy thing happen. You're always like, and then, no, and then like, when Natalie told me, you know, she was pregnant, my first reaction was, holy fucking shit, you know? You're never, you're never like, let's do this, you know?

Like, I don't know, maybe some guys are. I feel like- For sure there are some people that actively are like, we are trying and if they're not successful, like it's stressful and whatnot, but like- It's normal to be like, all right, like sink or swim, like let's figure it out. And everyone I know that has kids that maybe didn't plan

on having them when they had them, is they say you just figure it out. Yeah, you just kind of figure it out. You just learn it and motherly instincts kick in and that's like some higher power, something happens. Something happens. Ramzes has this like, you know, very hard stance about not wanting to have kids and then they talk about obviously, you know, safe sex

or how do they prevent, you know, not having kids for two people having kids. And then yeah, he bizarrely gets in this expectation of, like, she needs, like, he is almost shocked, surprised, offended even that she isn't willing to take a pill that will potentially drastically change the chemical structure of her entire body or change her moods. And it's like fucking crazy.

And then he does the craziest shit where Marissa finally is like, listen, just so you know, I'm not doing this. Which seems like a really reasonable boundary for her to wanna sex. I'm just not gonna do this, so we're gonna have to figure it out. And this motherfucker plays a game of chicken

where he tries to set his own boundaries. He's like, well, I need to enjoy sex. I'm not gonna not like having sex. That is such a crazy thing. And that's what pisses me the most off about Ramses because like I'm just, he's good looking, seems like a really sensitive guy. We've liked him the whole time, in touch with his feelings,

yada, yada, yada, and be in touch with your feelings, but it really rubbed me the wrong way is the conversation before. And I know this is like a slightly political conversation we don't get into politics, but like I thought it was really interesting when you have Marissa talking about her service of this country in the military. And like, listen, there's a lot of justifiable opinions about our country's role in world

politics, and I think if you serve in the military like Marissa did, she has the right to have her opinions. Like, she was even open about questioning, you know, what our country does. And like, as Americans, we can sit there and not be okay with the way the what our country does. And as Americans, we can sit there and not be okay with the way the role our country plays because of the way our leaders sometimes decide, blah, blah, blah, blah. But for Rams to sit there and just blanket statement,

make her feel judged for her service of this country, and then the type of entitlement it takes to assume that all the people who join the military are, like, have no issues with what maybe the military does. But like, people sometimes, most people who join the military join the military because they have no other options. It's literally way off. It's a way off.

I'm from Canada, I'm Canadian, so like, joining the military, you get benefits. Like, it's a lot of. Schooling. Yeah, like, they take care of of you and some people are like, this is the only way I kind of make things work. Yeah, or it's a way out of a terrible situation, whatever it is.

Most people don't have the benefit of questioning whether they're okay with every single thing that military does or doesn't do. That's like working, I mean, I don't know if it's the same, but some people work certain jobs where maybe that company is doing some fucked up shit. Yeah, I mean, it's like, you're like, I don't know, I'm trying to like keep the roof over my head.

I'm just paying my bills. Exactly, yeah. And here's Marissa literally sacrificing her life potentially to do this, right? And it's gained a sense of honor from doing this. And he's just sitting there fucking judging. It's just like, while simultaneously enjoying all the benefits of what this place brings us as a country, and again, you can question it,

but like to judge someone like Marissa, who isn't there making all the policies and the decisions, but like serving her country and doing something bigger than herself, him judging, and then to double that down with the birth control stuff, it's just like, I just can't stand guys like that who like. Because she hasn't given any kind of like a firm,

it's the deal's off if you do this. She hasn't done anything. Yeah, but he's just like, yeah, if you were to sign back up, because what if she needed to? What if she was doing an honorable position in the military that, you know, I don't know. Can't you be called out of the deployment

or something where it's like, or if they needed her for something, they can call her back? Well, she was talking about that. She was talking about re-enlisting into the reserves, which is different than being a full-time in the military. Now, she sounds like she's just done, she's out. She's ended her service.

She's going to law school and things like that. Totally different path, totally different. And then here's a guy who's kind of in between jobs. It's just like, what does he really do other than express his feelings and judge other people for their decisions? It's just like, I don't know. It's really convenient for the position he's in

to sit there and have a lot of opinions but not really actually doing anything. And for him to say, if she re-enlists, it's an immediate divorce. It's crazy. That's crazy. This is supposed to be the person that you support no matter what,

your wife, the person you love unconditionally, the person that you don't see flaw. It's like, but no, the second that she gets a job, we're done, it's done, I'm out. Kinda crazy. And I love how Marissa is just like, listen, we can have unprotected sex and accept the consequences of our decisions,

which a lot of people do. That's real. You pull out, and yeah, is it foolproof? Absolutely not, but just sit there and expect your partner to literally go to the doctor, get a prescription, and take medicine that alters your body and act like you're inconvenienced by the fact that you might have to wear a condom because you don't

want to even risk the possibility of having children with someone you claim to love. And even though you want to have kids in three to five years, you are still expecting your partner to drug herself because you don't want to wear a condom? That's fucking crazy. And for him to be like, I don't enjoy condom sex. And her to be like, well, actually, like some of the best sex I've ever had is like with a condom. Like it's like the only way that I've been able to like, and she's like, it's not the condom's fault. You could see him like visualizing it or something.

He was like, he was like, fuck my life. He was like, wow, okay. I need to enjoy sex to be in a relationship with you. That was a fucking crazy thing to say. You don't get to pretend to be this progressive and enlightened and touch with your feelings guy. I was kind of surprised that he, because he seems like he'd be very much like your body,

your choice, whatever you wanna do. And not unless his dick's not being tickled, then. You know. Ew. He's outta there. I don't know. I absolutely loved Marissa's mom though, in that scene. I know a lot of people might, you know,

I feel like a lot of fans get mad at parents when they're quote unquote mean or whatever, but to me, like that's a mom. That's a mom being a mom and playing the role of mom, protecting her kid because Marissa is like in it. She's in her feelings, she's a mom. That's a mom being a mom and playing the role of mom, protecting her kid because Marissa is in it. She's in her feelings, she's not thinking with her brain, she's thinking with her heart. You know what?

And her mom, she was honest, she was direct, but she wasn't like, if you do this, I'm not gonna support you guys. She was still like, do your thing, but she's like, people have fucked us over in the past and I got my guard up. And I'm gonna love my daughter either way. Like that's why, like Marissa has a great mom because you can tell her mom makes it very clear

you never have to question my love for you. You know, like, and that is that feeling of unconditional love that like you can fuck up and not have to worry about like is mom or you know, still gonna be around. And for her to say that's, she is such an amazing mom. And I know I'm like Marissa made the joke about her mom needing therapy and maybe she does, but like that's a great

mom moment for Marissa's mom, you know, just to like step up and like kind of play the role that like- She went so hard on him. I was like, damn, I would be like, like fucking burning up in my seat in that situation, like cameras on me and shit too. I'd be like, oh, I'm getting roasted. And she's like, what the fuck is this outfit? Like, what are you?

Yeah, cooked them right away, like just immediately knocked them down to here and you're like, okay, this is gonna be good. She's like, and the jerry curl? He's like, oh, okay, okay. He's like, you're not feeling it? She's like, no. Absolutely not, no.

That was honestly like the only time I really respected Ramses in these three episodes is because he stood up to, you know, Marissa's mom, who had the right to say what she said, and he didn't kind of, he didn't push back, he respected what she had to say. And you could tell that like when he was like, so that's you giving me your blessing or whatever? Yeah, he handled it well.

And then she kind of like smiled, and you're like, you're definitely gonna like, she's gonna warm up over time. It's just like right off the bat, her guard is up. Yeah. What is your take on Hannah and Nick? I feel bad for Nick a lot of the time. I'm not gonna lie, like he, but wait,

they're gonna drop a bomb on us and then we're gonna be like, Nick, poor Nick. And then they're gonna be like, he's the worst. This is what he did. But as of right now, from what we know, I think that Nick seems like pretty patient. I feel like I would have been like, whoa, you don't fuck with me at all.

Do you hate me? Like really just don't like, like she doesn't like him at all, it seems like. I feel like the conversation with Hannah's brother was incredibly telling when she stepped out of the room. When she left and he was like, listen, I've struggled with this my whole life. He was like, some of this stuff really sticks with me

and some of it does. And it's just not equal. If you dish it back, she gets upset. Oh, and she's like, yeah, you're not funny at all. But I'm hilarious. Mine was funny, but then you did it and it wasn't a joke, it was mean. And he was like, what?

Whoa! I have empathy for Hannah because I think it just comes from a place of, I just think when you're mean like that and you're mean when you tease it just it comes from insecurity Oh, you know you're just projecting an insecurity, you know about yourself I don't think she wants to see herself as one way but deep down sees herself as another in the pod She obviously like had like a meltdown and stuff like that because of her own

Yeah, the Knicks maybe slightly suggest he's taller, but he's not 5'9". He's taller than her. He's taller than her. A good few inches. Like he's a good height. He was taller than her with heels on, right? When they met.

Yeah, with heels on. Like, and if you're taller than someone with heels on, you're tall enough. Yes. Right? Yeah, like what? And the only thing he said in the pause was that he was a kicker punter,

which I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong, kicker punters are not usually big jacked tall. You didn't say linebacker? No. That was on Hannah for assuming football player. Yeah, she didn't know the positions and she was just linebacker. Ooh, ooh, football.

220 in a man bud. Yeah. Yeah, and she's always comparing her body to his body, which again is her insecurity, not his. I will say though, Nick seems like a really nice guy, but how do I say this? I feel like if you're Nick, at 29, he's 29 years old, maybe 28 when he was filming this, like he-

Yeah, he's 28 on the show, I wanna say. I think he's nice. I'm not here to judge Nick in his life choices. And he's specialized, he followed a dream, and it sounds like he's been in a position and has the privilege of his families to say, hey, go follow your dreams, we'll take care of you. But on some level, Nick should be slightly embarrassed

of where he's at in his life at 29 years old. I think when he's like, yeah, this is like where I live, like I think there's a level of like him trying to not show that he, like he can't be that stoked. And it's not just Nick. I do think it's like a lot of young men. Like you shouldn't know, you don't have to be in the stock market, but you should know.

What stocks are? Yeah, you should know some basic life skills. I think boiling water. I think, yeah, the stocks, like fuck stocks. Who the fuck, I don't even know fucking shit about stocks. But it's like. Just understand the concept of them. No, like that. I that is confusing. That's a whole different breed anything and like You don't have your own spot. Yeah, like you're not focused on stocks. Yeah 28 I probably didn't know anything about like at 28. I feel like I was like, alright

Just like keep the roof over my head. Yeah. I feel like the looking in the fridge for pasta maybe was a little bit more telling than the I don't know much about stocks. I think what's clear about Nick is that he doesn't know how to take care of himself. Yeah. And I think if, call me old fashioned, but as a guy, I want to know that the people I love

can trust in me to take care of them. And I think Hannah wants to be taken care of even though she's very comfortable with taking care of herself. Nick is truly a specialist. In football, he's literally a specialist. Position kicker and punter specialist. But even in his life, he seems very specialized.

He even said he only does one thing. I bet, Nick, if you're out there, I'd be willing to bet he's a section eater. What do you mean? He's a section eater. I'm not a section eater. I mix my potatoes and my gravy and my meat and whatever and I have friends who will like

eat their corn, eat their veggies, eat the protein. Like things can't touch. Can't touch, whatever. My friend Joe. Are you talking like start and finish one of the sides and then move on to the next one? That's crazy. Like not be like let me get a little bit of this?

No, no, yeah. My friend Joe will not only section eat but prioritize. He will always eat the fries first and then he'll eat around the burger. It's crazy. No, no, yeah, my friend Joe will not only section eat but prioritize. He will always eat the fries first and then he'll eat around the burger. Nope. It's crazy. No, it's fucking crazy, I know. But I bet, Nick specializes.

I bet his mom makes him some food and puts it in little sections. I will say, like, you know, there's a difference between like nurturing and mothering and it's like, it's nice to nurture your man and like have that kind of like, taking care of sense, but then there's a whole other thing to like, teach them fucking everything in this world

because they just like, they don't know. I do respect Nick, that Nick is open to the fact that he recognizes he needs someone, maybe not quite as harsh or direct as Hannah, but someone who is like, challenges him, and he knows that he needs to be challenged, so like, he has potential. like his ego doesn't inflate big and he doesn't lash out because sometimes when guys feel inferior Or they feel small they'll lash out even if they're don't have a leg to stand on

You know, I mean like he hasn't been doing that and he's been patient That's why I say like he seems really patient and like I think he's well aware that he probably should be a little further along with his independence and whatnot. I am curious if he, I mean, they filmed this a year ago. I'm curious if he still lives at home. Has he moved out since? That will be a big, that'll be the big test of does this really bother him?

Or is he just kind of totally comfortable with no responsibility? Have you seen what Garrett looks like today? Oh my God, bring it up, bring it up. You know that Garrett is engaged to Taylor. This is how you know. So I was stalking his Instagram and I was like, hasn't posted since these fish posts

that we were looking at. I was like, he knows how to hide it. Oh my God. Wait, what? That is a man who is in a relationship with. Dude's a model now. He's hot. He changed everything. The beard, the outfit, the chains, the hair.

That grows in like an early 2000s boy band now. Listen, like if you are a young man right now and you are in your, I don't know, if you're a young man, you need to have either girlfriends or women friends, you know, because Garrett, before he went on the show, looked like a guy you need to have either girlfriends or women friends, you know? Because Garrett, before he went on the show, looked like a guy who doesn't have a lot of women in his life. You know, not hanging around either girlfriends that are platonic friends or...

He looks like a man who's a physicist that goes spearfishing at his office. And hangs out with bros all day long. It's crazy what such a little, like, it's just a haircut even. No. Obviously the fit is also... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at this guy! It's a smolder! Smolder is also. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a really. Look at this guy. The smolder.

Smolder. He's objectively gorgeous. He's thriving. It goes from that. That's amazing. That big smile to the smolder. Oh, I'm happy for him. Oh, I'm here for it.

They're, I mean, they gotta be, as of right now, like the front runners, right, of everybody. I feel like they're so compatible. What I love about them, because a lot of times, on Love is Blind, the couples who don't have the drama, who are kind of in love from beginning to end, they're kind of uninteresting, because it's just like, hey, we're just in love and we're great.

Same with Love Island, same with all of them. Sure, that's typically. To get to the end with a smooth, it just never. No, it doesn't happen. But what I like about Garrett and Taylor, more than your typical, like, we're just in love is like their willingness to Describe and articulate every feeling they're feeling and so I'm very invested in the scenes that they're in because they're very good at Describing the moment they're in in a way that other couples like them don't other couples like them are in love

We're just like yeah We're just like so fucking in love. And it's great. And like the whole moving to San Diego, like it's not like it's a clean ride because he definitely is having an issue inside with that. But it's not like this hard, like I'm not leaving my family. Like I want my grandkids near my grandparents

or their grandparents, whatever. Like he's definitely open to compromise, which is really sick. I think that they're good. There's zero chance they're not married. Yeah, I mean, look at him. It has to be. There's just no way he went from this to that

without having a woman in his life. 1000%. What is your take on Tim and Alex? Alex's apartment was crazy. I'm telling you, these people, I think we can all recognize that moment with Tim and Alex's dad, beautiful. Oh my God, soft, soft.

I cried my eyes out. Alex and Tim separately are good people. High character people, earnest people, they may not be your people. Tim definitely takes himself a little seriously. His man cave is like, wow, don't move your shit, don't move his shit. But he seems harmless. High character, like these are,

and that moment with her dad, like that is a man who knows how to like, that's a difficult thing to do, to read this poem in this letter in front of someone. Like that is, Tim's a man, he really is. Really? He killed that. But Alex and Tim hate each other, they do. I don't feel that.

I'm sorry, like there's no way Alex, let's just think about how reality TV is made. Alex had a chance to pick up her place and she chose not to. Well, she was packing and she's a fashion content creator that I am like, there's shit being sent to you on a regular. There's no way.

But our bedroom and our closet when I'm trying to pick an outfit, it's crazy. That, and you know, we all know as we cover reality TV, Our bedroom and our closet when I'm trying to pick an outfit, it's crazy. It's messy. That, and you know, we all know as we cover reality TV, once again, disclaimer, we don't know these people. This is a reality TV show, it's edited. We're just making commentary off of what we've seen. But what we saw was more than messy.

That was giving, filthy. Wasn't one room just like trash? Boxes and clothes. She was like, you can sleep in here. It was giving us like, I know that was Taylor's. It was like a, what are those like, That was Taylor's.

Smash rooms or whatever where you can't break. It was giving a little filth. And then when Alex gets in there and she goes, I know it's messy, but I feel at home. I mean, this is a guy who she knows, she just saw his like immaculate, everything is in its right place by the millimeter. And she's just like,

yeah, come see my place. I do love that a candle was lit. Yeah, no, but she's not, like I'm sorry, when you really like someone, it's not disingenuous to be your best self and show up a good face and make sure you don't fart around them because you really like them, and she's just like, fuck it, I'm just gonna show them exactly who I am.

That is someone who really isn't sure she wants to get married to this person. She could have picked it up. Or she's like,'m just gonna show him exactly who I am. That is someone who really isn't sure she wants to get married to this person. She could have picked it up. She could have picked it up. Or she's like, he's gonna love me for who I am. Take me for my mess. Take me, yeah.

No, I'm sorry. I don't think anyone's that confident. The only refute I'll have is that I'm like, for her to bring her dad into the scenario with what he's going through, my mom passed away from MS. It is a very traumatic diagnosis. So I'm like, for her to bring him in, have him read the letter, go through all of those steps

to not want to marry this man, you couldn't pay me. That's what I said. I was like, they have to work out now. I mean him, like putting her father through, like sitting and meeting this man, reading this letter, like everyone's crying. Let's say they don't work out. That was still a beautiful moment

that I'm glad they got to see. And listen, none of these couples might not work out. You know what I'm saying? This is crazy what they are getting into. You know, Garrett and. How many have made it in the past that are still together today? A handful, yeah.

Quite a few. Quite a few. More than a thing. But like, no judgment. If like, they're leading with their hearts here. They're going for it. I'm not gonna like, I'm not gonna be like, oh that was disingenuous or somehow fake

if we find out Alex, that was a beautiful moment regardless. And who knows, I'm obviously joking around about they hating each other, I'm pretty sure. Well early on I was like, she doesn't, like he was kind of being goofy and I got the dog in me and stuff and she was like genuinely like stop doing that and I was like, you don't want him to just kind of be goofy.

Like it seemed like he was coming out of his shell a little bit. Yeah, but you know, as a man, right? Like you, let's say if Demi was like, I hate that about you. Go back to when you first were dating Demi, right? You're a little nervous, you think she likes you. You're not sure if she likes you.

You're just kind of like, if Demi was like, oh, I don't know if I like the hat. You wouldn't be like, well, I'm gonna buy it anyways. You would be like, oh, okay. Like maybe later on you would, but you. I just feel like at first he thought that she was playfully like, shut up. And so he was like, oh, that's the thing.

That's the thing that she, we're like, kind of like, yeah, like playfully like, she's like, you're so stupid. And he's like, brr, brr, brr. And then she's like, seriously stop. But I was like, oh, fuck. She's like, don't do that for real. She's like, you're annoying the fuck out of me. She's's like I hate it. There's one more time and it's over I just think she could have rushed home for five minutes and done the whole thing where you throw everything in quick

Yeah, yeah Closet like if five minutes she could have done some serious damage by cleaning up that place and she was just like no I'm gonna let him see it. I've done this where I like the fucking cameras I'd be like not truly where it's like I'll go in first, give me 30 seconds. 30 seconds. I'll be right back. Just blitz it. Stay right here.

I've done that before. Right, we've all done this. And like you know what, that's fine. And even just the effort of trying to clean it, even if she opened up the closet and it all came falling out. Funny, funny. That's kind of funny and it just shows that you,

it's kind of weird. Like I'm all for keeping it real. I'm all for like going on a first date and just being your truest self. But like honestly, the first date's not to like, the date to be like, here are all my bad habits and like. Was it Love is Blind where someone, it was a reality show where someone came back

to one of their houses and there was like food left out or something or like the bathroom, like. Are you talking about. The toilet wasn't flushed or like something gnarly? I'm ever being like whoa Was it Izzy and oh, it's right it was Like a girl's necklace or something in like a drawer and he was like oh Left that I was like wait don't go in there you are trying to get caught like what do you mean? Yeah, I'm to answer your earlier question,

there's nine couples from the last six seasons that are still together. I mean, when this show first came out, I was like, there's no chance any of this would go. No, I was actually thinking about this last night. I mean, listen, at the end of the day, Nellie and I, you and Demi, you and Connor, what's gonna make all of these relationships work

is like our willingness to keep putting in the effort every day. So if you're Garrett and Taylor, who the fuck knows? But they are, is it a huge risk? Of course, but they're gonna work out whether they decide to keep choosing each other. As corny as that sounds, that's kinda what it comes down to. It's so true though, it sounds corny and cliche and whatnot, but it very much is, once you're past the honeymoon

and fatuation stage and really learning about each other, you have to choose every day to choose your person. Because you can very easily choose to look at them through a lens that's negative or pick them apart. And it's like, no, you have flaws, I have flaws, accept that, but I choose you every single day. You'll make mistakes, I'll make mistakes, I'll have to apologize, you'll have to apologize.

So at the end of the day, it just kinda comes down to someone's willingness to fucking do it or not do it. So it's fascinating, because arranged marriages have this crazy good track record. Because I think it comes down to, it's almost like if you're willing to go through this experiment in love is blind, then you're willing to kind of maybe do what it takes

to make a relationship work. So it's... And even what Taylor said to Garrett too, when they were kind of talking about how the experience is bonding, because they're like, not a lot of people are gonna understand this experience. So that's why like even like the Love It Island people,

how they still stay friends after the fact, it's like you shared this bond and what you guys went through that nobody else on the outside world is gonna understand. Right. So. Very unique. Going back to Steven and Monica,

are you allowed to get drunk while doing a sleep test? I feel like- What's a sleep test? Isn't that where they like hook you up to a bunch of stuff and you like sleep and they like go- Yeah, like if you have sleep apnea. Oh yeah, someone I know tried that and said that they weren't able to fall asleep

because they were like, there's too much stuff on you. And then like how much REM are you into versus not? But he says he was like really drunk. I'm confused where I'm like, why are you speaking? You're just not gonna get a good sleep when you're drunk. Yeah, that's normal. They would be like, go home, obviously come back. This isn't a real like, you're drunk every night.

Is that what we're testing for? It's a sleep test. I went over to this chick's house, we had some crazy sex. And then I was wondering, could I fall asleep after said crazy sex? And then I, turns out I couldn't, and so I was like, I called you. It was the weirdest lie. I mean, such a lie.

She's like, were you even at a sleep test? He's like, yes. And then she's like, you were texting today, and then he's like, well, I don't remember. Like, no, dude. I'm not responsible for what I did last night, but today, that's weird. He was kind of saying that he was owning up to it,

but denying it all at the same time. I was like, whoa, he's scrambling. He like borderline looked into the camera lens and was like, he was like, uh, I'm going to have to live with this. Like he just knew like I'm cooked. Like, bro, you're, what are you doing? It was like, uh, it was like, he broke the fourth wall. He's like, you know, I'm going to.

Yeah. He went full like Michael Scott with it. It was like, I'm going to have to live with this. Yeah, he went full like Michael Scott with it. He did. He went full Michael Scott with it. He was like, I'm gonna have to live with this for a long time. That was crazy. It was like she wanted to read those texts out loud, like for the camera. He's like, they're deleted.

I literally, I have no idea what, as they're gone, live on. Yeah, he's like, I shouldn't have came on the show. My life is drastically gonna change. But why do you think he did? Did what? You know, you know how the internet works. A lot of people are gonna be making accusations

like narcissist and like social. Oh, why heist and like so why how can you lie? I mean it listen. It's a fucking crazy lie We don't know what the truth is but we can speculate that he was clearly into some we're gonna ask Monica We're as my my speculation is that he came on for not the right reasons and that but there's a difference in young But having an active lifestyle and the... But there's a difference between having an active lifestyle, which he clearly had. The idea that you're afraid of what's gonna happen in a year from now when the groupies slide into the DMs,

like you're not here for the right reasons, you don't care about her, you're more excited about the fact that you're gonna get a little celebrity. Yeah, but when he said that, we were all just thinking, man, that's kinda weird, and maybe you just came here for the fame. Oh, it gave me the instant ick. But we have now come to find out that,

like again, we don't know the details, but he's clearly active in a lifestyle that he doesn't wanna give up and has no intentions of giving up. But you've got a ring on someone's finger. And had a whole hours and hours of conversation with Monica really opening up, talking about finding out that he was one-eighth black

and then doing the research to learn about his culture and he's so intentional and over, he's an oversharer and when someone is an oversharer you expect that they can't help but share the truth. It's like, Steven, the first couple episodes gave the type of energy where it's like, he's not a bad guy, he's a weird guy, he's just a guy who just is full of thoughts and he just wants to feel safe

and when he feels safe with someone, he just shares and shares and shares and it's not like, some people just, most people don't share and this is way to feel safe. When he feels safe with someone, he just shares and shares and shares. And it's not like, some people just, most people don't share. And this is way more than that. This is like, he's actively participating in whatever this is, and he's high, and he hit it, and he got caught, and like, that's crazy. What I, I mean, he did open up about cheating,

and he said like, I've done this before. Emotionally cheating. What is it, emotionally? He said I was texting or DMing. Yeah, his whole thing was like, I've really done this thing, I've done this before. Emotionally cheating. What is it, emotionally? He said I was texting or DMing. Yeah, his whole thing was like, I've really done this thing, I'm ashamed of it. And I'm not trying to downplay emotional cheating because it could be very damaging for relationships.

But like he did the thing where it's like, it was so terrible what I did. And then you find out what he did and you're like, oh, that's not, not, that's not. We all want, you know, it's like, we want to, you're being too hard on yourself. She was like, I'm 34 or whatever, however old she is. She was like, I'm like, we've all done some stuff, whatever.

But I think it was the fact that he just played so much into all the therapy he's done, all the work he's put into. And then he oversold his character. Yeah, yeah. It's like safe place. Yeah, and it's like, no. You know, you're so quickly, like, texting. Like, what are you even here for?

I want to know. She was like, I'm disgusted by these texts, these kinks that you were, like, we're texting. Like, what are you even here for? I want to know. She was like, I'm disgusted by these texts, these kinks that you were, like, what the fuck? She said fetish shit. The fetishes! She was like, you're talking about fetish shit. What is it? I pray she...

We've got two. He's into, have you ever seen the show Billionaires? He's into like, Dominatrix, you know, women coming in. He did bring that up. He brought up like, subdominant shit. Submissive, yeah. He did bring that up. He brought up like subdominatory. Submissive, yeah. He didn't say that. I think he likes to be whipped and spanked

and he likes his nipples tweaked. She was like, you're definitely into butt stuff. And he was like, well sometimes. Not all the time. Like yeah. Well no, he just casually throws that, you mean pegging? And we're like, nobody said that.

No, there's so many things before pegging in my life. That's like what we're talking about. He's like pegging only sometimes. Okay. We're talking about a finger. That was amazing. Yeah, that was crazy. Well, I feel like. I actually pull up some stuff from his Instagram that he's posted within the last 10 minutes.

He's posted within the last 10 minutes. Breaking news. Please, Zach. This is very, very kind of Steven to give us this content. Training to battle all the stay at home wives that hate me for ruining their fantasy of who they think I am. That's a weird post.

Is he allowed to do that? No, I think it breaks. Can you like foreshadow that you're about to get canceled? Well it's out. It's out now. It's out now. Oh it's out. Yeah, it dropped at midnight. Oh okay, okay, okay.

That's a weird way to play the victim. Well, she also posted, so I feel like the show had them post photos. Is this, what does this caption say? Wait, why did she have to post one with him? And he had to post a meme. Steven, we're not here to kink shame you. We're not here to judge you for anything that you're into.

It's the fact that you clearly hid it. You're cheating, you're lying. You're lying. That's the part that's weird. Monica got engaged. She got engaged. She's the part that's weird. Monica got engaged. She got engaged. She's a 36 year old woman who was tired of dating fuckboys, whatever, took a chance on this unique show

and got engaged. And now for the rest of her life, and I can relate to this, she has to be like, yeah, I got engaged and it didn't work out. Like it's kind of like a stain. I don't think she should see it that way, but like we all, you know,

no one wants to get me aged multiple times and broken up with or whatever. And this guy got engaged to Monica off of false pretenses. He lied about who he was. He took it away from her. And for Steven to be like, you're just judging me for who I am. No, you didn't want to share who you were.

You are judging yourself for who you are, Steven, not us. And his first reaction was literally just like, I shouldn't have came on the show. I was like, oh, it's done, done. Whoa, whoa, whoa, who you are, Stephen. Not us. And his first reaction was literally just like, I shouldn't have came on the show. I was like, oh, it's done, done. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. Not the proposal, nothing like that. Doesn't sit down even.

No. He's just like, shouldn't have came on the show. Like, oh fuck. I was literally, I met Miguel from Love Island USA last night. And so we had a quick conversation. And we were just talking about, and I was just like, hey, I'm such a fan of you because like Miguel, and I don't know where you are,

don't wanna spoil anything. But what? I don't even know if I, is he coming late? He's a bombshell for sure. He's a bombshell, yeah. Miguel. Have you gone to the Heart Rate Challenge? I'm British.

I'm like, wait, British. She's British. Then no. There's only one British guy right now. Oh, okay, Aaron. You're Aaron. Yeah, Aaron, yeah. Well.

Hang on. Hang on, it gets much better. But Miguel was always like, you know, here's the rule of reality TV, I don't care. What show you're on is do not fucking lie. Just be who you are. And so this Miguel comes in kind of very fuck boyish, and he was like, I don't know.

And every opportunity he was like, this is what I wanna do, this is how I feel. He just never lied. He just always presented as, sometimes maybe giving a little fuck boy, but an honest one. Don't fucking lie on reality TV. Don't misrepresent, and you can be whoever the fuck you are

because all of us who watch reality TV, we all have our secrets, we all have our insecurities, we all have our kinks, we wanna see other people in the TV shows we watch. We don't wanna be lied to, we don't wanna watch someone pretend to be someone they're not so they can get the fame and the clout and the followers, and Steven isn't being judged for who he is,

he's being judged as being a fucking liar. That's how he went about it, not what he did. He's like the Trevor, I guess, the bitch. Trevor. Wasn't it Trevor that had like a whole- Which wouldn't remind me of Trevor. Remember the big sweet guy who like, he was telling the girl he loved her,

the bodybuilder. Jess Chelsea loved his blind last season. Last season. He came on in Gai Union. He's like the big muscle guy and he didn't make it out of the pods. Trevor! Oh, yes, okay, yes.

And he was like telling her like, I love you, I'm gonna be with you after this. Like, I'm just gonna go do this. This is just a show. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. It's so weird because the amount of people that go on a lot of these shows,

for sure they're thinking like, I'm gonna have a career after this. Like, I'm gonna be an influencer But the second people know that you're there for that. They're like night out Yeah, you know I'm saying you can you have you can do that you can you can go there Hoping to get attention anyone who goes on this show I don't feel like love Island and stuff is more like people are like and whatever but like love is blind going on for attention When it's an engagement. Yeah, it's like a little bit gnarly

I'm like, it is not like really fucking with something You know, it's a TV show and I think anyone who goes on reality TV has a little bit of a you know A narcissism element to him. I say that if someone's going on TV, it's like you've got to like attention You got you know, you can't be the no one goes on reality TV and who claims are like I like my privacy It's like okay social media You know, but there's obviously degrees of that. Doesn't mean you're a fucking narcissist. It means you don't hate the attention.

But again, you can go on there, like the intention, and still be authentic. You can show up and hope that you get a following and hope that something comes of this and still decide to be honest, authentic, lean into the environment, embrace the experiment, things like that, you can do both. Like it's not mutually exclusive.

And then there's Leo who like, I don't think that he knew there were cameras at all. This guy was wild. He was saying the craziest shit. I was actually like, there's no way this guy's not a paid actor. I fucking love that you said that. I fucking love it.

I fucking love it. I'm just gonna buy you something. I love the fuck out of you. I swear to God. I was like, whoa. So aggressive gonna buy you some money I love the fuck out of you. I swear to God He's like I'm here with you right now, but I just wish I was on one knee proposing to Brittany Can you please tell her that? No, I actually was scared that the show like when when they didn't go forward I was actually like, oh no Like that's what I was looking forward to. No, that was a bit upsetting that they made us invested in them and then took that away from us.

But I think they did had to do it because of the, like the love triangle between Hannah and him. Right. You know, but also like he's just great TV. He is. Like come on. She also, Brittany did another like look right into the lens at one point when she was like,

I wrote out like my feelings or whatever. She like showed the camera, the page and looked into the lens while she was talking. And I was like, y'all are made for each other. They really are, honestly. That's what's crazy about them. They actually seem like he's down to be the trophy wife and he's down to just be rich and pay for it. Like what, what is wrong with this? Spend a bunch of money. And I didn't-

Like they were both very like, seemed like they would have actually been kind of good. If he was cool at the reveal, it maybe would have been a little bit- Guys holding on to her, grabbing her hair. He's like got his legs wrapped around her. He's like- I had to go to the chiropractor from Cringing So Hard. I was actually like, oh God, no.

How do you feel when they get down on one knee? Because every time I get the heebie jeebies. It is, it gives me the heat. I mean, and every time they knee. Are you really? Are you standing? Are you sitting? Are you ducking?

Like, I always love how they ask that. And when you can tell they're going off the top, you're like, oh, you should have wrote something down, bro. Like you're nervous right now. But every single reveal, even when you're like that went well, it is so awkward. No matter what, they're like glitching every time. I mean, it'd be so weird.

Oh, I would be terrible. And I love how they always ask, like, what did you expect? Am I what you expected? And it's like, no one's gonna say. Opening gifts gives me anxiety because you're like, whoever gave me, especially when it's like, maybe a family member who doesn't know you all that well

and they get you something and you're like, oh my God, thank you. It's like that times a billion. You're like, yes, that's exactly what I thought. I've always wanted this, thank you. And when they can't even hide that they're disappointed, they're like, all right. I thought you were a little taller.

Yeah. Okay, sick, you're not six feet. No, it're like, all right, way shorter than you said. I thought you were a little taller. Yeah. Yeah, like, okay, sick, you're not six feet. No, it's okay, yeah, no, I'm really happy. Before we get to Monica, other than Garrett and Taylor, because I feel like that was Garrett posting that globe was a spoiler, who are the other couples that you think are going to make it? And by make it, I mean still married today.

I was still married today. And by make it I mean still married today. I was still married today. I Mean I do think Ramses and Marissa really cuz they do there's so much the vibes were so good with them But then there was like those two things where he was like I'm putting my foot down and if there's more of those it could Be way more things that he has like these like contingency. I mean, but also it is kind of Judging a huge part of who she is. Of course. Seems like kind of a big deal. Yeah.

But she didn't seem to really care. She didn't seem as shook about it as, I know. I really wanted Mom to find out how much I did too. He judged her military experience. Actually, I don't know because he might, because she was like, I'm gonna tell my kids about what I did

and let them decide and if they wanna do it, that's on them. No, because she was like, if I'm gonna tell my kids about what I did and let them decide if they wanna do it, that's on them. There's no way he's gonna allow his kids to go join the military or whatever. He's just gonna straight up be like, nah. If he would divorce her over it, as if he's gonna be like,

that's your life going on. He seems like a guy who's in touch with his feelings and then therefore feels like his feelings trump everyone else's. Or is like the unanimous ideology because when the friend was like I also served the military, he was like, now I'm outnumbered, you know what I mean? Where it was like you weren't speaking with your full chest once you found out somebody else was also a part of it.

There's a lot of people I'm sure that have very similar, like he just maybe needs to be with someone and they're just locked in on the same part of it. There's a lot of people I'm sure that have very similar, like he just maybe needs to be with someone and they're just locked in on the same kind of views. Like that might actually be too big of a fundamental difference. Yeah. I'm just like, the way I am, I'd be like, whatever you are into, whatever you did,

be proud of yourself. Like I'm not so into anything like he is. He's looking at her as if like she signed back up that she's basically a murderer. That's how he looked at her, it was fucking crazy. And there was no wiggle room for understanding. It was like, you have to understand my point from his perspective, but he wasn't willing

to hear her perspective. Someone who literally hasn't been in the military knows nothing what it's fucking like and has no idea what the feeling and what it might be like to sign up for the military knowing that once you sign on that dotted line, you could be put in the literal line of fucking fire. Right, he was saying it's a choice, it's a choice.

Nobody put a gun to your back, but it's like sometimes people have to make choices for other reasons than just freely making a choice. Or just sign up to do something honorable and serve your country even if it's an imperfect system. Also, again, to just fully enjoy the benefits of our imperfect system while judging people who give us those benefits is something I'm just like not.

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We were watching it and we were like, holy shit, we need to get Monica back on. First of all, we got you flowers. Thank you. Here you go. I'm just a girl. You're just a girl, you just want some flowers. I mean, I know you're limited in time, so let's just cut to the chase.

What can you share about what went down with you and Steven? How did you even find out about what you found out? Like just share whatever you can. So many people have questions. Yeah, okay, I'm happy to. I guess I first just want to clear up like how I found the messages. So many people have questions. Yeah, okay, I'm happy to. I guess I first just wanna clear up like how I found the messages.

There's been some confusion already about that. So me and all the other engaged couples were living in the same apartment building in DC and Sweet Taylor and Garrett had sent us a message earlier that day saying, hey guys, we're making you all fall cookies and we're gonna bring them by later. Like we we're going to text them ready to drop them off. And so Stephen and I were hanging out in the apartment having a great, great time laughing

like just there were no cameras. We're just having a great time. And he stepped into the bathroom and as he did his phone went off and he got a text that we were waiting for and it was from Garrett and I said, Oh babe, like Garrett just texted, I'm going to respond. It's about the cookies. And I went to go click the message. And next thing you know, I'm in his text and I see a girl's name. And I almost was like, this was something I was not expecting from this person really at all.

And some people might think that that's crazy. But there was a second there that I literally remember thinking like, should I click on this? No, don't be crazy. And I click. Female intuition. Yeah, yeah.

And what was in the messages? Honestly, I've been asked this a lot, even then when it was happening in real time. And I scrolled through a bunch, but I was just so, I mean, I was so taken aback. Like I couldn't breathe. That even right after it all went down, I didn't even remember the girl's name, truly.

I do remember seeing like really kinky, dirty talk. Like one specific message was just talking about how he's never been able to find someone who satisfies his kinks the way that she does. They're really, they're really, and I'm not kink shaming. I've been accused of kink shaming already. Like I just didn't know that this was, this was the person I was, you know, that I was sharing a bed with by any means.

Yeah. I mean, it's not kink shaming. He's just like, he was hiding it from you. I don't know if you saw this, but like, I don't know, 10 or 15 minutes ago, it seems like Steve, in anticipation for the criticism he might receive, posted something about like, you know, people being mad about who he really is. And it gave very kind of victim in terms of like,

how he decides to see himself in this. But like to me, it's just more like, no, it's not. The number one mistake people make on these shows, as I'm sure you know now, is to not be honest. Especially given the expectations of this show. Did he reveal any of these kinks or interests or the fact that he had this seemingly whole other life that he was unwilling to give up

despite getting engaged to you? And so as someone who knows what it's like to get engaged and have it not work out, even if it's on TV, you are now someone who's been engaged to someone you're no longer engaged to. And you have to live with that. And Steven made that choice to hide his secrets and not share who he really is.

And no one's mad at him for his kinks. They're mad at him because he's a liar. I couldn't agree more. Thank you, preach my job. Yeah, that's exactly how I felt in that moment. And the other thing is, I was taking this so seriously. I was really in love with this person. And one of the things that you don't get to see

a lot of on the show thus far is how much I talked about my past with cheating. I've been cheated on, gosh, in my 30s. I don't even know if I've had a relationship where I haven't been cheated on. So that was something that I really opened up to Steven about often. And he made me feel so safe.

And like I never in a million years would have thought that he would have done what he did. It was such a big part of our relationship was just talking through my trauma. And then also second to that, I was taking it seriously, you're thinking about marrying this person in a matter of weeks.

So I was not like holding back. You don't have a chance to leave a stone unturned. You have to address everything. When we spoke last time, I know me talking about Stephen's chattiness. Well, maybe there are some things in a normal relationship outside of this experiment where like you kind of can just like let things go,

but I felt like I'm really gonna marry this person. Like I have to put it all out there and I certainly don't feel like he was doing the same. So was he at a sleep test while also being drunk? I'm like confused. Can you be drunk at a sleep test while also being drunk? I'm like confused. Can can you be drunk at a sleep test? I feel like the doctors doctors be like maybe come back when you're sober And also like in the couldn't he just do this after filming, you know, couldn't be like hey I'm gonna do the sleep test like in four weeks, you know

Like yeah, he had to go to the pods and immediately come back and understand his sleep patterns Yeah, I think it was something that's really funny. I think it was something related to like he had it on the books for a while because it had something to do with his insurance from being in the military. Like he had to do it by a certain time. OK, so after everything went down, I certainly did not believe he was at a sleep test. He did send me a picture while he was there. I still in my like, I have trauma from my past.

I was like, this was, he like, take this picture. It's not from yesterday. So I went up and like, you know, you can see the location and the time and all that. And so he really was, but like, I don't know. Oh, I, I've never done a sleep test, but like, God, I definitely wouldn't think my fiance was like getting hot and bothered and horny during a sleep test. Like, I thought I'd be safe at least in that environment, but now so.

So after, you know, Stephen broke the fourth wall and looked at it and said, I'm going to have to live with this, which was kind of sad and hilarious all at the same time. What conversations, if any, have you had with Stephen post him leaving the show? Yeah, that part actually really drove me crazy. Not even watching it, like in the moment, because I was so hurt and I was like, it seems like he really only cares that he got caught on a TV show. Like this is just normal behavior for him.

And so that was really, really hurtful. I think that it's something that we still continue to work through. You'll hear more at the reunion, but yeah. But you are still in communication. We are in communication, not often. There's not a lot of depth there by any means, but yeah, we communicate.

Okay, speaking of reunion, I guess if you had one question, and I'm sure you'll have more than one question, but what is something you really wanna ask him or get off your chest and maybe get an answer? And maybe you've already asked him this, but this all happened on TV, and I don't think you need to be embarrassed,

but he risked embarrassing you and taking this moment away from you on TV. So you have the right to ask him on TV, you know, why he chose to do what he did. What would you want to ask or what do you want to know? And what can we expect at the reunion in terms of this potential confrontation? I think I would really want to understand, like, if truly, genuinely, if he's being honest, did he come on the show with the intent of actually leaving with a wife? That's my biggest question.

I think he would have been happy to leave with a girlfriend. But I don't think that he was looking for actual marriage. I think that the reunion is gonna be wild. I don't know if you've watched the latest drop of episodes, but all three of them, but they're crazy. So I don't plan on holding back at all. And yeah, it should be juicy. We did not see anything.

So I'm curious if there was a conversation after his recap of what him and Garrett were talking about in Cabo, about, you know, when in a year from now when the groupies want to suck our dicks, there was no like, let's go back to the room and talk about this. So was there any conversation after that? Or did we kind of just move on? I will say that if you see me starting to like get the it, that was not the first or last time I heard little comments like that.

Yeah. Okay. It seemed like he was trying to almost breadcrumb you into revealing his kinks, you know? Yeah. Like, do you like it? I agree. Pegging? What? Huh? Who said that? Huh? What? Yeah, like what was going through your mind

while you're just trying to get a foot rub and he's over here throwing out pegging and fetishes and you're just like saying that you could do whatever you want to him, whenever you want. Like, and you're just sitting here being like, I'm good. Like, what was what were you? I'm telling you. Yeah, I was like stuffing rice into my face. Like, honestly, I think at first I it took me a minute with him because I couldn't tell if he was just being funny.

Like, I thought maybe we just had different senses of humor and he was like very sexual, very graphic. And when I started picking up on the fact that like he was actually being serious, yeah, it just made me uncomfortable. It made me uncomfortable. You seem like you really wanna empathize with Steven and be compassionate and still it's like,

hey, this sucks. But he really fucking, he really lied to you. I mean, he had a huge secret. And I know the internet loves to throw around big words like narcissist and things like that, but it is a crazy how open Steven tried to portray himself as this oversharer and open book. and he just, well, he can't help but just say things and that gives such a false sense

of security and I don't know, you seem like a highly intelligent, intuitive person, like what does your gut tell you why Steven did this and who is he? He was called a sweet soul the first couple episodes and I'm curious what your read on his character is today. I really do think that Steven, of course, is a good person. He was called a sweet soul the first couple of episodes. And I'm curious what your read on his character is today. I really do think that Stephen, of course, is a good person. I also think that Stephen was pretty good at telling me the things that I wanted to

hear. And I think that he talked a lot but didn't always get down to like the things that we really that we that I needed to know. So I believe now reflecting on everything that's happened since then all that I needed to know. So I believe now, reflecting on everything that's happened since then, all that I know, that that is a part of who he is in his life in terms of like sexually, and probably something that I should have been brought up

to speed on. So that was, I mean, there's, you talk for hours and hours and hours in the pods, and obviously we only see a little chunk of it. So like kinks and sex, like was that ever brought up in the pods? You know, never to me, ever.

I was someone who it took me a little bit of time to get comfortable talking about sex in that environment. I'm sure. So I eventually did, which you can see. But I went, like it took me a little bit of time. But it's funny you asked that because looking back on everything then and how things went down I do remember thinking in the pods that a couple of the other girls had made comments to me of like

I wasn't really sharing who I was dating or who I liked until closer to the end But I remember girls saying comments like yeah I I put Stephen at the bottom of my list because like he was talking really dirty And you would think I would have asked questions or said why, but in that environment, I just didn't. So there were signs that were definitely there, but not to me personally. Oh, okay. Yeah, you almost wanted to take the environment

so authentically that you almost didn't listen to your instincts in a weird way. I know you have to get going, but I just want to pivot one second to a different couple, Marissa and Ramzes. I just never would have expected Ramzes would be the type of guy who would make his partner feel guilty for not wanting to take birth control,

given how enlightened he tries to come across. Were you as shocked by that as I anticipate most of the audience was? Like what was your read on that? You know what? I'm I Love dishing the tea and especially with you guys that episode I had to fast forward through certain parts to make it to these interviews So I actually have not seen that conversation. Oh, okay. Let's check it out. It's wild But let's just say that the girls chat has been Popping. Oh, I'm sure

To be a fly on the wall. What did you make of Tyler having three children? And did you know about that as the world found out, as the internet kind of started to expose him, or did Ashley confide in the other girls? So Ashley's a really good friend of mine. She's probably the person I'm closest to. I love all the girls,

but Ashley and I are very, very, very close. So, you know, I was living down the hall from them, of course, at the time of that conversation. I really want to let them speak on it because it is, you know, so personal and there's a lot more to come. But it was really wild seeing it today for the first time. And my opinion, it felt like such a loving conversation between them. I thought that they like, you know, not like some of the conversations I was seeing with me and Steven in that last episode.

So. Okay. So more to come. More to come. More to come. All right. Well, thank you again for coming on and taking the time and shedding some light on this.

We certainly are anxious to see the reunion. Please don't hold back. We really just go for it. He really screwed you over. We really just go for it. He really screwed you over. And do we know for certain that he's a good guy? He really hurt me. Like I was so hurt.

So I don't know. Okay, that's him. I don't know if I'm allowed to ask and I don't know if you're allowed to answer, but are you contractually obligated to post photos while it's airing? Cause I was so confused by both of you posting each other and tagging each other in it.

Am I contractually obligated to post? No. Okay? No. Okay, so that was free will. Free will. Was that more like you just really weren't sure? I had, correct me if I'm wrong, but I took it as more like, how do you handle batches of episodes coming out

and not spoiling and you know, it's more like that. I feel like that is, yeah. All of those memories are ones that I like, you know, I've been excited to share with anyone for over a year now, right? So I think, I hope my vote more than anything is after the reunion, all of that will make a lot more sense in terms of like where our relationship is now,

why I would do that. And if not, have me back on and I'll like, I'll give you the full skinny. One more really quick question. How do you think, and we've obviously seen one post And if not, have me back on and I'll give you the full skinny. One more really quick question. How do you think, and we've obviously seen one post from him since, but how do you think Stephen will navigate his social media presence now that the world has seen this about him? I would really hope that he would just take accountability and not make excuses.

That's what I've been hoping for since the moment after it happened. I've already seen the comment section, guys, it's insane. It's wild. People are going crazy in my comments, in his comments. And so I've seen some of the things he's been saying and it's like, I don't know. Yeah, it's so far pretty disappointing because it's very much like, don't judge me for who I am.

And again, we're not, we're judging you for being a liar and taking this away from Monica. Like it's not that complicated. I agree, I totally agree. Monica, we really appreciate you. Thank you for taking the time and joining us again. Good luck at the reunion. We're excited to see it.

And I'm sorry it ended the way it did for you. Thank you so much. You know, I'm such big fans of you guys did for you. Thank you so much. You know, I'm such big fans of you guys, so I really appreciate you having me on. Likewise. Well, thanks for taking the time, Monica. Bye, guys. Bye. Damn. What do you think, Jutes? I mean, I feel like the producers were like,

we know what Stephen's like, and we're just gonna make it a surprise. If he had been... Telling it. We didn't hear any of that in the pods. That's true. So I feel like they were like, oh, been telling we didn't hear any of that in the pods yeah so i feel like they were like oh no we can't show this because it has to be we're gonna surprise everyone that gets dropped because he's otherwise like a teddy bear like i said like he projected that he was this like harmless like i i dm somebody once and i'm so wrong for it like i

speak too much so maybe i put my foot in my mouth every once in a while. I can't help but be a salonist. I just don't wanna disappoint you. That's my biggest gripe with him, you know? But if he was being like, if he was the bottom of people's list for being like weirdly sexual. Raunchy, yeah.

They would have shown us that. So they were probably like, there has to be an element of like, what the fuck, no way, Steven. Those editors in the editing room were working. Yeah, I feel like. They were close in. Yeah, well, they were doing their job. Of course. Great job. We appreciate you coming on, man. Those editors in the editing room were working. Yeah, I feel like. They were close, yeah. Well, they were doing their job.

Of course. Great job. We appreciate you coming on, man. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, come back. We enjoy your takes of Riai TV. Where can people follow you, enjoy your music? Jutes, J-U-T-E-S.

Jutes music on Instagram and all that stuff. But if you search Jutes anywhere, not juice, Jutes. Worst name ever. My name is Jordan Lutes. And so I just did a thing, but like, and it's loud, bro. I'm juice. When it's loud, there's no way I got to spell my shit out. Or is it juice?

No, juice, juice. I've gotten off stage and they're like juice. And I'm like, dude, you're terrible. Well, we appreciate you. Whatever your name is, we love you and make sure to follow him, listen to his great music and please come back anytime. Oh yeah. Thanks for having me.

All right. Up next, Keith. Keith. How's it going, big guy? Good. How are you guys? I'm great. It's so good to see you again.

Yeah, nice seeing you. We really got to see a lot of you last night. I don't know about a lot. There's a whole 15 seconds of me, but yeah. Well, I just mean like the Chippendales. The Chippendales, you know. Sure, woo! Oh, okay, let's start over.

I was thinking of dancing with the stars when I was on that and met you. With the Chippendales, yeah, you're gonna see, I don't know if it's my finest dancing moments, but it was definitely enjoyable. Yeah, we enjoyed it, yeah. You seem to really have fun with it, really enjoy just like the moment.

It's the camera angle too, because the guys in the back, we're all standing back there and we're clapping our hands, cheering everybody on. And they said, when I dropped to my knees and went in, they were like, you know, the clapping starts to go like, what's he doing? You know, they're like, hey, Keith, where did you go on that one?

I was like, I don't know. It just all came to me at once. I know, I'm guessing you haven't seen the episode yet, but it, cause it's on but it's on tonight for you But have you sat the kids down and and gave him a heads up about dad being an exotic dancer My kids know me. So yeah, I'll probably post something back around. I don't know God It's got to be way before kids. I'd say early 90s houseboat trip I picked that outfit on purpose when I I went in and I saw the outfit,

that's been a go-to Halloween costume several years. Okay. All right. Wow. All right. The kids already know who I am. I'm not hiding. All right.

That was a freak. They know their dad. Oh, and I don't think that's a proud moment either sometimes. But yeah. You know, you are who you are, Keith. There was a moment where you really, well, I mean, it was hard to really tell, but you called yourself out for kind of clamming up with Joe and you forgot who you were talking to,

but you're like, I really screwed up on that conversation. Do you remember it? Oh, oh God. Yeah, so I came back and it was the first time that I ever felt like I was on camera. And from the first impression, Rose, it was, I talked about taking that station wagon, going to the beach, grabbing a bottle of wine, sitting on the beach, having cheese and crackers the whole bit. So this is, I went to the producer, I said, can we set something like that up? And just being in the suit and sitting down the bottle of wine,

and I just froze. And I got into like food. It's the worst question you could ever ask. What would your last meal be? You don't say that. You know, you're on death row. What's your last meal, Joe? And that was I'm just going, where am I going with this? I'm anticipating her death. Oh, I got a little dark. Oh, yeah. Great, great questions for a first date.

You know, how to write a book on how not to. Yeah, exactly. So we are. So I went to the guys and they're all laughing. They're like, Keith, you know, they're pumping me up, which is really cool. The guys are, the guys were awesome. But then we're sitting around and we're all talking. And even one of the producers walked by and he looked at Dan, he said, Hey, Dan, did anybody else shit the bed tonight? And thanks a lot. Yeah. Besides me, you mean? Yeah. I was a little worried about you. I'm like,

this guy got the first impression, Rose, and he's going to be gone week four, you know, like. I thought I was out, but, you know, the guys really did pump me up. They're like, no, I mean, you know, it's a body of work and we've had great talks, you know, these last few weeks anyway. So, you know, it just didn't go right. I just didn't feel like myself for the first time ever, probably on the show. It just didn't go right. I just didn't feel like myself for the first time ever, probably on the show.

She was like, what is your retired day look like? And you were like, the day of the thought of the day, the day of the thought, that's me. It was like, okay. I told you, I just froze. I was like, because I know what my day looks like. It was sweet. I get up, I'm gonna take a walk, get some exercise in,

and if I'm near a beach, it's gonna be on the beach, dip in the water, God, it's gonna be so nice. It was sweet, it was endearing moment. Yeah. Oh, endearing, thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I know you can't tease too much,

but can we expect you to recover from this and grow your relationship with Joan? That's where I'm gonna try to go from now. I mean, the next step is, you know, I got the rose. Okay. Which I thought was barely, but, you know, so I got the rose and now it's just, I think I need to show her, you know,

I've always been a fun guy and that's who I am. And I need to not hide my emotions behind my fun guy. I think that's also what I learned through these last few weeks as well. And so I just need to show her the little more sensitive side, who I am. I'm a very caring, loving person and I just need to try to show that to her and move on.

Where are you from again, remind me? I'm living in San Jose. I've been here since 86. I grew up in Indiana, Columbus, Indiana, but moved out here in 86. NorCal. Who are your teams? Niners, Warriors, Giants. I was a Cubs fan for the longest time, but there were the, then I couldn't be a

Niners. It was hard when I moved out here. I was a Bears guy, but you couldn't find, in 86, you didn't have direct TV or anything. So, it took me a while to jump on the 49ers because I didn't want to be on the bandwagon when they were winning all the Super Bowls. I'm a hardcore Giants Niners Warrior.

There you go. What has this whole experience meant to you? It's been so charming to see, really the friendships, obviously we're rooting for Joe and he wanted to fall in love, but the connections we're seeing with all the men and then obviously last season with the friendships, obviously, were rooting for Joe and he wanted to fall in love. But the connections we're seeing with all the men and then obviously last season with the women, it's such a endearing, just thing to watch.

It's just like, I think friendships and making friendships is something that I feel like a lot of people as they get older kind of give up on and to see you guys reconnect with each other in ways that you are is so, it's special from this end, but what does it mean to you? Well, even my girls,

when I went on the show, they're like, dad, don't forget Joan is on the show, focus on her, it's about her and finding love. Because they were concerned, you know, that it just becomes the big bromance happening. And it really is, you spend so much time with these guys and it's just so awesome. I've got great friendships already out of this.

We stay in contact. Even from the first night, Jordan and I hit it off right away, just ribbing each other. He just reminded me of buddies, my fraternity buddies, guys that I grew up with in Chicago, Indiana area. So we hit it off right away. Dan, Mark, I mean, I could list all and on. But the one thing we all did talk about, a lot of guys have trouble finding guys our age to hang out with. We're all single, and you meet somebody in there, dating someone in a relationship, they're married, they don't have time,

they have different interests in you. So there were a lot of us that just had similar interests, whether it be sports, kids, families, lifestyles. Is there like a bros trip coming up? Are we gonna get together with the guys and? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Where are we going? I'm not gonna tease that one. That one, that one.

Mexico perhaps? Somewhere warm though, you know? No, this one's gonna be cold. It'll be a sporting event. There'll be a few of us there. Okay. It'll be good. But yeah, we get together whenever possible. I've already seen, you know,

two or three or four of the guys already because I travel for work and I get to see them when I'm in LA, Chicago, you can figure out then who I'm looking at. That's awesome. What do you do for work? Sales, electronic components, hardware sales. Been doing it for same stuff since 86,

since I moved out here. All right, you're not gonna quit and become an influencer now? No. I got back, I told my boss, I said, you're gonna hear me say retirement a lot. I don't wanna retire yet. I'm liking my job. That was for Joan.

There you go, I love that. Before we let you go, Keith, were you gonna say something? No, go ahead. I can talk all day. Yeah, yeah. Keith asked me. Listen, it's really been fun, again, watching you guys.

You guys have full of life and wisdom. And can you leave us with, like, I think, you know, as we get older, we learn some hard but useful truths about life, you know, things we take for granted younger in life. But like, what is some wisdom that you could like something you've learned along the way about love, relationships, friendships, whatever it is. Drop us with some like good life advice. I got a long list, but the one thing is, you know, don't hide from love. You know, I love my life. I love what it is. But I think I've hidden from actually finding love and hiding those emotions.

And as we get older, don't don't be scared to show your emotions and go after what you want. I love that. That was great. That was great. I appreciate that. Keith, it's been so fun. I wish we could talk longer, but we unfortunately have to let you go. We wish you the best. Do you have one more question?

Are your DMs open if you're not with Joan? I don't, are we, say you're not with Joan. Are your DMs open? Well, if I weren't with Joan, then they possibly, yes they would be. But they possibly would be, yes possibly. I wonder if my mom would slide into a DM.

What's your type? I'm not saying she should test the waters, but don't hide away from the water. Don't hide from love, okay? Don't hide from love, circle. What is your type, Keith? And then we'll let you go. Yeah, type, I want a then we'll let you go. Yeah, type.

I want a funny, intelligent, independent woman. Somebody who is comfortable with themselves, knows what they want and embraces life. Okay. Amazing. All right, well, expect a couple of slides. After last night's episode. If it doesn't, we're down with Joan.

No, no, yes. Now listen, we saw last night's episode. If it doesn't work out with Joan. No, no, yes. Listen, we saw last night's episode and I can confidently say she's with Chuck. That's just me, no spoilers here. I'm totally guessing here, but you don't come back from your mom's funeral unless you're in love.

And I'm just saying she seems like she's in love. I will say this, there are a lot of people, you think, you always hear about the show, are you there for the right reasons? And I will say there are a lot of us that were there for the right reasons. Yeah. Keith, thank you so much for your time. It was a pleasure getting to know you. Great meeting you in person the last week and we hope to see you again soon. All right. I'll talk to you. Take care. So sweet. I just love these guys. I do. When they, when, when, when Charles and, um, who else and your boy went home.

Charles, El and Dan, is that what you were gonna say? Dan, Dan. When they were outside and the guys came to greet them. I was so crushed that Dan went home. Cause then he said, I live alone. That's the part that I was like. I love Dan so much. I think most of these guys live alone.

I know, but just to think about that. He was just saying how like coming out of this experience, how it's gonna suck a little bit. Cause he's like, I'm so used now to having these guys and I go back home to my apartment alone and it made sense why they bonded so much is because a lot of them have grown like their children don't live with them they're single for whatever that reason is but like they generally haven't done something like this since they were maybe teenagers college yeah the whole like kind of

very summer camp and getting together with friends and living with you know your people Gary also laughs so, so you're homeboy. I know, it's so sad. I love him. He's such a tender-hearted man. It's so hard when they leave, because you want them all to stay, and then you're like,

that's not the show. Paradise. I know. Does that work? Why wouldn't it? Because Paradise is built on messiness, is it not? I want them to be friends.

I need a summer camp vibe of just bring everybody there so they can hang out. It's true, I don't want the drama. I don't want it. The thing is you're talking about age groups too, where I'm like the same way that you would expect that The Bachelor and Golden Bachelor would be the same. It's like these people have life experience.

They're not gonna be messy the way that when you're in your 20s and figuring your life out and being like, no, but I wanna marry him. And it's like, honey, you don't even know how many boyfriends you're about to go through before you end up at your husband. But like for sure, this seems like everything so worth creating the drama. But I think older people would handle it a lot with a lot more grace. Maybe. Will you text whoever you need to text about getting my mom on?

I've seen those little commercials. I know. We don't want to be too late here. They probably got thousands already. They probably do have thousands already. 10,000. Right, 10,000. I love Joey, I really do. Love Joey, we've become friends. The bachelor Joey?

Yeah. Okay. But when he called his dad, his father-in-law, soon to be father-in-law, Kelsey's dad, and what was the advice he gave? Just do what you're gonna do and it's all gonna be okay. Work out how it should.

Yeah. More like great advice, Joey. Just do what you do and the doing does. Joey said to make it count. That was like his final, just make it count. But make it count. Co-make it count. Cause you're gonna be the next school of the bachelor.

Cause whatever you do, it's gonna do its thing. Yeah. It was great. It wasn't like very helpful. What did you think of the ice skating day when it was a Jordan who fell? He fell so hard. And then she was just cracking up. I was like, you should not be having these older people

by ice skating when they're not good. That's true, you can break a bone. Break a hip. Yeah, osteoporosis. Yeah, that seemed mean. It was just funny to see her laugh because if I was in the position, I'd be like, that's so evil.

You're gonna be cracking up in front of me and I'm struggling and now you're pulling me behind and you're the girl and I'm the guy. I'm like, oh my God. I'm gonna cut Joan a break. Sometimes there is nothing funnier than watching someone fall. And it's like as much as I'm concerned

and I hope you're okay and as long as you're laughing too and not crying, I might still laugh. Yeah, evil. No, they're sweet. And I don't know, if she doesn't pick jock. He came back. He, they're sweet. And I don't know if she doesn't pick Chalk. He came back. He came back. Yeah.

The same episode. Is that normal? I know, Nick and I were like, he could miss like maybe one, two episodes and then come back and then it was like, oh, and then the night. We were watching it in the beginning of the episode. Jones is like, I literally haven't pictured falling in love

with anyone else since my husband's passing until I met Choc. Then Choc's mom passes, he has to leave, and you're like, wait, what? This is not the same as when Joan left Ol' Gare. You know, it was like, okay, yeah, like he wasn't your guy, Joan, you know? But it was like, oh, he can't leave now,

and then, you know, yeah, Nellie and I were like, well, you know, it's like this many days, and you know, he could be gone for like a week, and only miss like know, yeah, Nellie and I were like, well, you know, it's like this many days, and you know, he could be gone for like a week, and only miss like an episode and a half, but same episode. So I think he's only gone for like one or two days. His mom's affairs must have already been in order,

as they say, and he went to just kind of lay her to rest, and immediately came back for his lady. He came back for his lady. You don't, that's love. I'm sorry. Like, you don't, they move on with the show if he's not Jones guy. I am surprised you called it from episode one

based off of nothing. You just saw this man's face and you were like top runner. Well I just thought he was a front runner. I didn't call him a winner at that point. Yeah. Now I am. I was gonna say also Nick's batting average at this point is pretty on par.

I'm pretty good with this show. That's true. When it comes to Bachelor. Yeah, you can kinda tell when they really are. He knows the formula and the sauce and how it's supposed to taste. There's real love there. All right, we'll finish up with the show. That's true. When it comes to Bachelor. Yeah, you can kinda tell when they really like it. He knows the formula and the sauce and how it's supposed to taste. There's real love there. All right, we'll finish up with Rony.

You know, it's her early season, you know? I don't know. Brynn's really kinda mean sometimes. The whole tap water thing was kinda funny, but. That was funny. So petty. It was petty, but like, smart in New York, I'm assuming. My biggest surprise in this episode is Aaron.

I mean, just talking about your husband's taking money from you is a choice when it comes to, you know, exposing your marriage on TV. Well, the choice. Did she phrase it as taking money away from her? She said, I one day locked into my Bitcoin account and then the money was gone. That she was saving up for something with it.

And when you start doing that, that is calling out your husband in a public way. Cause she framed it more of like, he's not stealing, he's just dishonest. She kept saying like, when you're not honest about the finances and the debt that we apparently have. Well, that's a crazy thing to say about your husband on television.

It's more like, yeah, I mean, it's, it is, it is. But then it's interesting cause then Abe didn't clap back, but he responded with like well I'm faced with the pressure of like when I met you you were being flown around by like these men And like I have to provide that lifestyle for you So that's where he's like I make mistakes along the way of trying to create this facade of like we have all this money That's not that's not how you do it. I don't I agree. It's not I just don't think anyone's expecting you to be Dishonest in order to fulfill a lifestyle that she didn't specifically ask for

I just think it's such a cop-out, you know, like it's very man machismo like provider thing Well, yeah, but in a bullshit way, you know, you're not actually doing the providing you're just you're playing the victim Because you you can't handle the expectations of being a provider, of which my understanding is she didn't ever set that expectation with him. She just, he's just throwing in her face who she used to date. I don't know. Which kind of seems unfair. They're not very clear about like, I mean,

she said something about she thought a mortgage was paid off, which it wasn't. And so I think he took the money from the Bitcoin to pay off some of the mortgages. That's what it sounded like. There's a couple of details that were floating of a business in the past that also failed. Failed. Or like the bathing suit line or something. But it's like, I don't know, because I see

this stuff on restaurant shows and things where I do feel bad for the person that's in charge of finances or whatever and things go awry and they're trying to fix it instead of burden the other person who probably doesn't fully understand it anyways and be like, I don't want you to panic. I can fix this. And then unfortunately, it getting into a deeper debt or a deeper hole that like you can't really dig yourself out of to have to confess it. I don't know.

I just feel like I get why he would be embarrassed and trying to fix it behind her back versus like maybe Aaron doesn't really seem like the most cordial person, I think, in a sense of confronting with an issue, because if you even saw how they sat down, Brynn and Erin, they were already ready to go at it before they were ready to fix it. Brynn was kind of giving fuck you attitude. For sure.

You know, and she was hostile. She was snarky, yeah. And I was gonna say, I said, Erin kind of has a little bit of a defensive air about her, and so I kind of feel like I don't know what it's like to be married to her, and I obviously, I don't want to speculate, but I'm just like, maybe he just has like a little bit of like a defensive air about her. And so I kind of feel like I don't know what it's like to be married to her. And I obviously I don't want to speculate, but I'm just like, maybe he just felt like he could fix it and then didn't.

And then therefore embarrassed her even more so. So I don't know, I kind of feel bad for him because it's a lot of responsibility. And especially if you're doing it like I would be fine in a one bedroom apartment, but I know you want the penthouse. So let me do everything in my power. And if I fail you, I don't want you to leave me. Like, I don't know, you just don't know how much further the issues in their marriage go

for them to be presenting it this way. They kept it aloof. Yeah. It was also kind of interesting, Rebecca Minkoff getting into the whole Scientology. No comment. She raised a point, she's like, well, I'm not gonna have that conversation here.

In a helicopter, I can barely hear you. I mean, that's fair fair and Jenna made a comment, like listen, every religion has its extremes, every single one. Jenna's is puppies and ice cream. Yep, Jenna's is puppies and ice cream. But I think, I do think it's still a disingenuous comment and I understand Scientology is a worldwide recognized

religion but like a lot of the things they are accused of is pretty crazy and there's, yeah, and it seems, I don't know. I understand every religion has its extremisms, but yeah, I don't know. I have a lot of questions about Scientology. But sounds like she's gonna bring it up eventually. I'm very fascinated. I hope they dive in more because I, you know,

you usually don't get people in Scientology talking about Scientology. And that is the one thing, because while there are extremes in every religion, there's plenty of Catholics and Christians and Muslims and Buddhists who have no problem talking about their faith and proudly talk about it, and they're not cagey about it. So I am interested if Rebecca talks more about it

this season. I do wanna pivot to OC right before we close, the Tamra's comments about Shannon. Can you read those? Because I thought they were kind of, I hate to say it, but it made a lot of sense, her comments. Tamra Judge talks about what it's been like

watching the season back. It's been a season that I've watched where I've gone, really, this is how it's coming out. I'm very shocked in the sense that, you know, here we have Shannon, who's drinking, has been talked about for 10 years since she's been on the show, gets a DUI, hit and run, hurts herself,

goes to jail, and for some reason, she's the victim. In my world, I just don't understand it, but then if I was a viewer watching the show, I would think the same, because she's really good at playing the victim and for me. It's hard to read that comment and not acknowledge that it makes sense. Yeah, I mean, also Shannon has said multiple times,

I'm not the victim. I'm the survivor So it's like I feel like she's trying to she Shannon intentionally is avoiding that narrative But like Tamra's like no, this is what you're doing Yeah And I actually thought about it because it's like no one is Saying that Shannon doesn't need to be held accountable and face consequences for her actions It's just more like we just don't think Alexis and John Janton should be the ones holding or Tamara Should be the ones holding yeah And she is holding herself accountable even in the season showing them putting the breathalyzer in her car and everything like that where it's just Like she's obviously going through the steps that she needs to take but it's like it's not up for other people to police how

She should and shouldn't be dealing with the fallout of her dy It almost kind of speaks to like how they see reality TV where it's just like someone faces tragedy and then everyone else in their cast thinks, oh, I'm off the hook because we're all gonna go after this person because of what they did. Yeah, it was just kind of an interesting comment. I don't know.

I wonder if Tamra is carbon monoxide, odorless and sucks the life out of you. From Brin's text message. Oh, I forgot about that. And I will say too, even going back to the Scientology conversation though, I mean, and this is something that just bothers me about Brin. They brought it up, Cy and Jenna, was it, that we're talking about it? But I'm like, yet again, here's another example of something that's not so much like a sensitive subject, but not the time nor the place to bring up the Scientology conversation But it seemed like you're trying to do it to just already throw her under the bus unprepared

You know what I mean? And that's what she's done with all of these comments and changing the way that it came out versus the way that it's being Retold and then takes zero responsibility for it. And then was she calling somebody Staten Island for getting upset She said get it correct. I'm an islander or a city girl I also don't understand again, like Erin didn't, like Erin actually said, no, I don't think she actually is getting paid by some guy. She didn't even start the rumor

and she didn't even perpetuate the rumor. She actually said she didn't believe in the rumor. I'm just wondering why this is all Erin's fault. Cause then it became, oh, you didn't shut it down. She did, she did. Well, she did, but then she goes, oh, you think? So it's like, that's what Brynn's mad for. I'm not saying that's valid.

I mean, I love Brynn and all, but like, and I think she's an interesting character, but then she goes, oh, you think? So it's like, that's what Brynn's mad for. I'm not saying that's valid. I love Brynn and all, but like, and I think she's an interesting character, but. Brynn clearly didn't watch the clip, or she saw it once and then made it into something else. Like you can tell that's what happened. What she does. I mean, as people who offer commentary on these shows,

like, you know, sometimes we say shit that pisses people off and like that's on us. Like it's on Jeff Lewis, you know? It's like, he said that shit. I don't know why Aaron's taking the fall for it. I don't know. I don't know. Anyways, that is our show today.

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