The Viall Files - E825 - Golden Bach’s Charles, Humble Brag w/ Crystal & Cynthia, RHONY, Love is Blind, & VS Fashion Show

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  This week we welcome the love of everyone’s life, Charles Ling to give us the scoop on the Golden Bachelorette. Meanwhile, Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff spill tea on housewives and tell us all about their new podcast Humble Brag! Also, we talk football vibes (still vibing), Victoria's Secret fashion show (good now!), Love is Blind (facts), and RHONY (no pigeons harmed).    “I was told by the girls that this is Kyle’s show.” Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff every Monday starting October 21st! Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Donate to Hurricane Relief HERE: https://samaritanspurse.org/article/pray-for-those-in-hurricane-miltons-path/?utm_source=Ggl&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=m_YGND-B24V&utm_content=milton-relief-lp&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD2XO8ec5EGaPQaDBMIpE0iDLHr2B&gclid=Cj0KCQjw05i4BhDiARIsAB_2wfClCbYlKAwWKlIC_-mhSvBVCLTj1P3E-eNjQlHMMUmFdtJ5iD7ZYDAaAplvEALw_wcB  ALSO… Buy our exclusive “The Podcast” merch: https://viallfiles.myshopify.com  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Quince - Upgrade your wardrobe with pieces made to last with Quince. Go to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Helix Sleep - Helix is offering up to 20% off all mattress orders! Go to https://helixsleep.com/viall   OneSkin - OneSkin keeps your skin looking and acting younger for longer. Get started today with 15% off using code VIALL at https://oneskin.co  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @charles_ling @cynthiabailey @crystalkungminkoff @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:44 - Housekeeping 06:18 - Vibes Or Knowledge 14:21 - Fashion Show 17:34 - Tamra 18:24 - Secret Lives 21:53 - Breakup 29:36 - Crystal and Cynthia Interview 01:02:34 - Love Is Blind 01:28:03 - RHONY 01:41:31 - Golden Bachelorette 01:53:29 - Charles Interview 02:10:44 - Outro

I am Cynthia Bailey. I'm Crystal Cograveen. Pause. This is Humble Brag. Can't wait for you guys to find out how we actually came together. We live a life that we think it's normal. And then when you actually say it out loud,

it's kind of ridiculous. You and your 14 friends who I think you were with, what is wrong with her? Like, who does that? I probably would have said no had I known how much we got paid. Once a housewife, always a housewife. I am going to kill them with kindness.

My only superpower is that I'm not a threat ever. I didn't drink the first two seasons. Are you insane? I don't think it's a wonder why we ended up here. I will always say long story short, but I can never tell a story short. People would call me the Cynthia of Beverly Hills. You're welcome. I started the Cynthia Bailey movement.

I want to know your origin story about how school. We have so much tea coming up on the next one. Humble Bragg pod. Humble Bragg. Humble Bragg. Humble Bragg. Braggie. Humbly.

You can check out Crystal and Cynthia's new show, Humble Bragg, every Monday. It's dropping the 21st of October this Monday, so you'll be sure to check it out. So go right now and subscribe to their show. It's going to be wacky wild and fun. I cannot wait for y'all to listen to it. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Valve Vals Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by the household. And today is Greek Greek act day

Is that what it is God's goddesses? You look great. We've all decided Justin is the organizer of these She is putting an effort and we are we are making Justin is the one getting our costumes I've committed to the bit I'm like someone has to be committed. He's like let me get their costumes and I'm gonna get them some like, mm, they're gonna look stupid. I thought he did a good job. If Nick gave me $1,000, you guys would be slaying Boots house down. You would walk in with prosthetics, wigs.

How much is he giving you? I don't even know. Like three? He just said, be reasonable. Justin, did you own these wings before or after you decided this costume? I bought it for this costume, but I was like, you'll be able to use wings anytime. So I was like, reuse. And you know use wings anytime. So I was like, reuse.

And you know what? You deserve it for putting these all together. And as his costume should be the best, he did organize all this. That's true, that's true. I think you guys look good. What, Sarah, what are you? I'm a dark god.

Yes, of course. Persephone. Persephone. Persephone. Persephone. Persephone. Persephone. Whoever you want me to be. I'm just- Mary, who are you? I'm Poseidon on a casual Friday. She's wearing a Hawaiian shirt for people listening.

Yeah, you know, I'm in Percy Jackson logic. He's on vacation. He's on vacation. You're Tom Schwartz. Greek God's chill too, you know? I am kind of, why do I kind of look like Tom Schwartz? I don't know. Darkest day of my life.

Are you going as Tom Schwartz? Yes, Tom Schwartz with his God complex. Oh, gross. Are we saying that Tom Schwartz kind of looks like a 25 year old woman? How old are you? I'm 23. No, we're saying that he loves Hawaiian shirts. Yeah.

He does? I feel like he's constantly in a Hawaiian shirt now. Yes. Okay, thank you. We're saying that Tom Schwartz kind of looks like a young gay. Oh. It is canon, you're not wrong about that. Blonde.

Yeah. Okay. Bleach blonde. Bad built. Butch body. Oh my God. That's a... Crickets.

For anyone who gets reference. Anyways. We have a very exciting episode for you. We have Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Minkoff in studio to talk about their new podcast, Humble Bragg, part of the Envy Media Network. We're super excited to have those ladies here today as well. The one and only Charles, Mr. Golden Bachelor himself is with us calling in from China.

This man left the United States for vacation, went to go visit some friends and family back where he's from in China and took his time to zoom in with us, the gracious man that he is. And we ask him a very important question if he's interested in willing to be the next bachelor, Golden Bachelor that is.

And his answer will surprise you. Plus we get to know him. What did he say? You'll have to listen, dear. I don't have the time. Some of us woke up super early to interview Charles. It was a perfect wake up call though. It was, you knew you were getting up for Charles.

Yeah. Yeah, Justin and Sierra and I, we did that for him. It's a little bit of optimism first thing in the morning. It was a- Good vibes. No coffee, just Charles. morning. Yeah, it was a- Good vibes. No coffee, just Charles. Cheers. Oh, another C.

Yeah, plus we will be getting into Golden Bachelorette along with some real housewives of NYC. Before we do, just a reminder, the episode, the Going Deeper episode with Gypsy Rose and her partner, father of her child, they are expecting and they get into everything about the relationship, everything that's been going on in their crazy life ever since we interviewed them back in January. People are surprised at the, I guess, of course I'm not surprised, obviously there's

some of you. I don't know if it's people who are actually listening, don't appreciate us having Gypsy Rose on because of her past, to which we reply, we don't care. We love and appreciate you. What a weird thing to hate. Like what a weird thing to be like, oh my God, how dare you? What a weird thing to have such a strong opinion on

about something you couldn't possibly place yourself. Or about something that like we're holding, like they're acting like we're holding a gun to their head. I mean, like you have to listen to this two hour episode. It's like, you could just like not listen to it if you don't want to hear. There's that, or. Or.

We could be more open-minded and empathetic. We could change your opinion. We could be more empathetic and compassionate. That is what this world is lacking. Yeah. Or we could stop being surprised about the internet. That is true. For all you reasonable people out there,

it is a fantastic episode and you should check it out. Thank you for participating and having an opinion on whatever we do, good or bad. We just love that you care. Totally. What are we getting into before we get to our favorite shows? Should we kick it off with Vibe football?

Oh yes, it is now time for vibes versus stats. before we get to our favorite shows. Should we kick it off with Vibe football? Oh, yes. It is now time for Vibe's versus Stats. Mary, what are our great matchups of the week? Ahem. First of all, I just want to point out that Stats have taken lead by one. Yeah. OK.

So it's your guys' time to fight back. Are you jumping ship, Mary? I'm not jumping ship. But first, we're covering the Lions and Vikings and off the bat I think that the vibes team owes the Detroit Lions an apology. Why what did we say about them? You didn't pick them. Oh, are they supposed to this is me projecting? Okay. Yeah We know who Mars the people of Detroit. They've been through so much and are so dedicated to their team and We need to put some respect on their name. Because any team that can decimate the Cowboys like that,

it was like 29 to- 49 to three or something. 49 to three or seven or something like that. It was incredible. That is brutal. That is damn, it's brutal out here to be a Cowboy. All while losing their best player to a season and an injury. Yes, defensive their best player to a season ending injury.

Yes, defensive end Aiden Hutchinson suffered an injury in last week's game, breaking his tibia and fibula in the third quarter. Snapped his leg in half. Yeah, his surgery was successful, but he will be out for the season. But there's some drama there because many are predicting a possible trade. Max Crosby of the Raiders, maybe people are also saying Hassan Riddick yeah from the Eagles well he was on the Eagles Eagles then Jets But has never played or practiced with them. What's the Jets weird thing?

Yeah, excuse the Jets vibes are bad in the trash can yeah Yeah, but they did trade for Devante Adams and reuniting Aaron Rodgers and Devante Adams. Are we talking about the Jets right now? Nope. Okay. Nope. Well, basically like with the whole trade of it all,

the deadline's November 5th. And this is like if halfway through the season of Salt Lake City, Lisa Barlow, Brokert, Tibia, and Fibula, and then Andy Sentin, Dorinda Medley. Oh, okay. Interesting, so it doesn't make sense. Don't love. Or maybe not Dorinda, but like anyone.

Mid-season trades are hard for Kim. I didn't know you could do that. Yeah. Imagine if you could like trade housewives. Ooh. That could be so funny. Right? Ultimate girls' trip.

Immediately we're taking Heather from OC. I don't know what we're replacing her with. Ooh. I think we send her to New York. You know? You know what? Orange and a lion's, I I feel like that could be good. I did think Heather Dubrow and what's problematic?

Oh my god, I can't think of her name. From New York? Minkoff? No, no, no. Cy? The one that's canceling everybody bravoreketing. Brynn? Bethany?

Bethany. Good lord. For a while I thought- Why don't you say OG? I will say for a while I thought Bethany and Heather Dubrow were the same person. They're both. Who is that more offensive to? They look the same. I don't think defensive. Heather.

I don't think it's a bad thing. I just for a while I thought they were the same person. Interesting. Okay, so Vikings, anything cool about them? The Vikings, well. Parent trap dance. Parent trap dance. Cam Bynum and Josh Mattel has recreated

the parent trap handshake. It was very cute. They also posted a little TikTok of them practicing the choreo. Love. We messed up last time, right? Cause we didn't choose the Vikings and they ended up doing the handshake

and we missed the vibes. Well, we didn't know that they were practicing such an iconic celebratory dance. If we would have known, we would have obviously chosen them. So I feel like, and like, do we think they're gonna do that again on this? Well, the Vikings are with something else Vikings and the Chiefs are the only two undefeated teams so far

Yeah, the Lions I've only lost once but they've also lost their star player. So Well, I will say Jared Goff the Lions quarterback is engaged to Christian Harper who is a model and actress. Swimsuit, sports illustrated. So she's carrying the team. She's carrying the team. We got some models on the side of Detroit. Models versus parent trial. But they also lost, I mean how much work does Aidan Hutchinson do?

Not now. No, obviously. Before he was a pass rusher, you could argue he was the second most important person other than the quarterback on the team. Let's see. I have a feeling we're going to have to go Vikings with this. Vikings?

You know? With the Lions, they won last time? Lions? Lions killed... They killed last time, but they're playing the Vikings who haven't lost. Yeah, I don't know. Two winners. And they just lost their star player

who typically would like be helping them, but no, now he's out with an injury. Wow. So they're gonna be learning right now. So yeah, we have to do Vikings. We have to do Vikings. Vikings, yeah. They're readjusting.

Okay, what about you, Ned? I'm gonna go Lions. Lions, all right, game two. Chiefs versus 49ers. This is insane because Super Bowl revenge moment. Rematch. Rematch. Who will win?

Chiefs won the last time. But the thing is, this is really a war of the wags. Yes. Because we have, it's battle for the cutest couple, right? We have Taylor and Travis for the Chiefs. Obviously. And then they went to a Yankees game. That's their big update right now.

And then George and Claire Kittle and Kristen and Kyle. And Sydney Warner and Fred Warner. Hello Sydney friend of life. Of Bachelor royalty. Of Bachelor royalty. Friend of life. Friend of life, sorry.

We had a baby at the same time. Ew. George and Kyle's wives, Claire and Kristen Why? Okay. Yeah. Sorry. We had a baby at the same time. Eww. Georgian Kyle's wives, Blair and Kristen went kind of viral because Georgian Kyle ran up to them and hugged them during a game, which is adorable.

That's love. That's she's cheer captain and I'm in the bleachers. That is. So, you know. What are we thinking? I'm leaning towards 49ers. I feel like I'm kind of leaning towards 49ers as well. Yeah, I feel like I'm so sorry.

I feel like Travis has been a little off his game. I feel like Patrick is going to get a little like nerve in front of like, where is this? Is this a home game or is it? Where is it being played? This is being played in Santa Francisco. Oh yeah. The wives will be wifeing. The wives will be wifeing.

I feel like he might get a little cold feet. Home territory. I feel like he doesn't have great circulation. It could be due for a loss. Yeah. They could be due for a loss. What's, have they, have they been like on a winning streak recently?

The Chiefs? Yeah. The Chiefs haven't lost yet. And the Niners have started slower than expected. The first week never matters. Well, we're in week seven. We are, we are in week seven. Oh.

Yeah. I think we're gonna go Niners. I feel like we're gonna go Niners. Yeah. Like we're on Team Wax. And remember, Sourdough Sam. Sourdough Sam. Don't forget Sourdough Sam.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Is he Pop Your Pussy Pink or no? Was that someone else? No, that was someone else. Sourdough Sam. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Is he Pop Your Pussy Pink or was that someone else? No, that was someone else. Sourdough Sam was the minor. Not physically, but in, you know, like, boop, boop, boop. Looking for gold. He is of legal age. He is of legal age looking for gold. Him or her. They? I feel like all mascots, they.

Bread is gender neutral. Yeah, bread is gender neutral. Alright, very good. I'm gonna go Chiefs. Bread is gender neutral. Yeah, okay. Sour doesn't bread is gender neutral. Yeah. All right I'm gonna go chiefs. Just oh my god. Well, I mean, let's make it fun. No. Yeah, you really want to lose Really the winner of this game though depends on who Sabrina carpenter wears on Whose jersey she wears because have you guys heard about the Sabrina carpenter curse? No So basically there's a conspiracy theory going around online that as Sabrina Carpenter has been touring, when she goes to the city, she will wear the local sports teams jerseys. And they lose.

They lose. They lose every time? Recently, yeah, she's won the Toronto Maple Leafs, Philadelphia Phillies, and Dallas Cowboys. Where's her next show? Yeah. Let's see. Is it San Francisco? Good question.

It's in the day. Literally. Nashville's next. Nashville is tonight. No, Nashville can't take it. Oh, god. We will love us alone. Yeah, they're not doing very well. Hate to break it. Okay, well, we're excited for this weekend. Well, that does it for vibes versus stats. Good luck, guys. Thanks. Loser. Mm-hmm. In the benefit of a wife being a model, Victoria's Secret Fashion Show is back and I'm excited. Period.

How was it? We didn't watch. I didn't watch either, but I saw many clips. The internet loves it. Yeah, we went on a date. We went on a date. As you should. As you should, but still.

So we missed. Iconic, it started like three. I'm glad it's back. Me too. You know? The teenage me was screaming on the inside, so excited because it's been years. Do we feel like their runway was a little more low budget than it used to be?

The production value, yes. And there was also not the same like how they used to do like a pink segment and it would be like all of these like really fun wings. It was very dictated towards the models versus like a theme. But I like that because I like that they rebranded and came back with like the more inclusive approach. Like so for me, Alex Consani, who's a trans model, like seeing her on there, she would never be there. Ashley Graham.

The original version. She was interviewed by someone, I don't know who it was, and they were like, what did you have for breakfast? And she goes, dick. Yeah, she's iconic. I'm sorry, Alex Consani. No, but I think like Sarah was saying she watched it. It's like there was different people, I'm sorry, Alex Consani. No, but I think like, and Sarah was saying she watched it. It's like there was different people with different skin tones,

people with different hair types, like different body sizes. I saw tiny waist, thick thighs. I saw, you know, model skinny. I saw just like natural hair, like just like everything that like I want to see where it's not this like cookie cutter idea of what somebody's supposed to look like, but like the wide range of what people appreciate in beauty in different races, different types of body types, everything. I think they did an amazing job.

Everybody looked phenomenal. The performances were phenomenal. The outfits were great. And again, it just makes me more excited for what they're going to be able to do next year now that people are excited about it again. I think it's good they got rid of the CEO that was problematic, that didn't want representation. And now we have the representation That's not problematic. We love to see it

I think it's interesting that Kate Moss and her daughter were like praised for walking the runway together And then Heidi Klum and her daughter Lenny were like shamed for doing essentially the same thing But just one's a photo shoot one one's a runway show. Exactly. No, it's so weird. Right? Yeah, so Heidi and her daughter were posing in lingerie for a lingerie shoot, but they're just standing there essentially.

They're literally just standing there. That's not suggestive to anything at all. And I think it's weird that people wanna make things weird that are clearly not weird. They're both models, they both have amazing bodies. This is how great you can look in their lingerie at 50, and this is how great you could look in their lingerie at 50, and this is how great you can look in their lingerie at 20. Yes, some of the comments are,

this is kind of weird, quite strange to do this with your mom. Yeah, nothing like half naked with your mom. I think these people making comments are watching weird porn. Yeah, probably. What if I took a photo with my mom on a beach on a vacation? Is that not allowed? Right. We're still half naked. I guess the question is, is that not allowed? Is that, we're still half naked?

Well, and I guess the question is, is lingerie inherently sexual? Well, bathing suits these days are more revealing than this. But they're models and they're professionals to promote clothing, underwear, swimsuits, whatever it is, and you don't have to necessarily sexualize the lingerie in a campaign. And yes, a mother and daughter can wear

and promote underwear. And like they are just standing next to each other. They're doing their job. Anyways, Chama Judge back in the news. She recently went on her show and said that she had talked to a therapist that she's known for a while and is stating that she is on the spectrum and receiving a lot of-

Criticism. Criticism for said comments. She said, I just thought that things were black and white to me. I grew up with a family that didn't have a lot of empathy or love or whatever. So that just transpired onto my adult life. But after talking and going through everything and my emotions, and I have a hard time with empathy

and feeling other people's feelings, there's a reason why. I think for me, I just hope that she gets understanding and whatever help she needs, but also regardless if she has it or doesn't, whatever degree that may be, I just hope this potential diagnosis doesn't get conflated with the drama of a storyline. Do we feel like Jen Affleck and her husband staged their little bit where her daughter is saying mama and he is like so absolutely pissed off and cannot believe it?

And if it were any other couple, I would be like, oh, that means nothing. Yeah. With these two, I'm like, no, Zach is pissed. We have also seen them do bits, right? And this doesn't read as a bit. This reads like they were just recording themselves day in the life, you know? And there's a very, so we know what their bits look like

and this didn't read like a bit. It broke my heart, it was so sad. She was so happy that her daughter said mama and he was like, no, she didn't. Say dada, say dada. Yeah, so I couldn't wait to take that moment away from her. I think they're a perfect example of couples who compete. You know, and I think that's, I've said this,

Natalie and I talked about this yesterday when we were talking about the story. Like Natalie is the first relationship I've had where I feel like we don't compete on a regular basis. And I don't mean like, you know, we're getting, you know, like monopoly board out and competing that way. But like, I think a lot of couples compete, like, you know, who's gonna say mom or dad first? Like, you see a lot of couples compete, who's gonna say mom or dad at first?

You see a lot of couples doing that. Well, this is something so lighthearted that they turned into a competition. Yeah. Or is that it? Something that should have just been like, oh my gosh, this is so exciting. It was like, made it sad for Jen. But this moment, you could, I think, accurately assume,

you know what happens when you assume, but I think you could assume with a high degree of accuracy that a couple who competes this often is often disconnected. They're not on the same page, they're not rooting for each other, they're not each other's cheerleaders, they're not supportive of each other. In fact, they're the opposite of all those things. They're in constant competition, they're always putting each other's cheerleaders, they're not supportive of each other, in fact, they're the opposite of all those things.

They're in constant competition, they're always putting each other down, they're always nitpicking, things like that, which is sadly very common in relationships, and it seems very common in this relationship. She is teasing, that's crazy. I was gonna say, she's teasing it. She's teasing whether they are together or not together.

I mean, again, it goes to show- It's so frustrating. Ah! I'm here for it. I'm here for it. This woman- I'm annoyed. These women are true professional reality TV stars. They're getting that second season, baby. Yeah. They're committed to the bit.

Because you have Macy, who's posting a TikTok where her and Michaela are holding Jen's hand up and she has a ring on her finger. And then you have Michaela posting a video insinuating that Jen and Zach are not together. Well, and then you need context of the week before where Jen was posting, so she's like in New York one day, ring on, then she's in some like Utah apartment

that's different from the house they shared, hands covered. And then you have Demi commenting like, love the new you, who's the new you? Listen, how many different, we have Taylor and Dakota. Are they, are they not together? That's the storyline, Jen. Not. And what's his name, Zach?

Zach. Are they together? It's a messy season, because also Camila and Miranda are allegedly joining the filming. Whitney's still an asshole. Is Whitney gonna be on the show? She's redone the show. They already said everybody's returning.

Oh, well, because they're also posting videos. They have new people coming in? Oh, well cause they're also posting videos. Well, so Camille and Miranda, which were like the alleged friends of Mom Talk with Taylor, they were at filming events. So you could assume that they're- They're coming in as friends maybe. Or something.

Yeah. Which would make sense for- Do you think they saw the success of season one and said they wanna butt off of that apple? I would assume that maybe Taylor, like she was taking the flack of all this apple. I would assume that maybe Taylor, she was taking the flack of all this drama, so they were kind of like,

let's see how the media takes her, and then if she survives, we'll join. Yeah, now they get right about that. You know who's not together? Kat Dickler and Jason Tardick have broken up. She posted a video from bed saying that they are no longer together. Yeah, it was an interesting breakup video.

And the world shakes. But again, I will give her credit on the fact that the matter is that nothing pisses me off when people broadcast their relationship all over social media and then they break up and they delete photos and they're like, everybody pretend like that didn't happen. Like no, acknowledge it. Yeah, what are your thoughts on deleting photos after a breakup? And also, would you rather have like, let me just record it real fast in bed,

or do you want like, let me set up the whole camera situation, let's have us sit here. I mean, she did the thing where like, I just woke up and I just need to address you all, but clearly she didn't. She didn't. I was kind of funny, her breakup video from bed. She should though, casual flex.

You could tell she's the one who ended the relationship. That's for sure. How can you tell? Cause she posted cuz she posted cuz Jason posted a like? Sorry, we're broken up and and she was like posted a you know a clam from bed Fixed her hair seemed to be in pretty high spirits. It definitely gave I Didn't want to do this anymore Yeah, fair. Hmm. I mean I Feel like I could give two shits if people delete photos off their own personal Instagram.

I'm like, okay, next. I don't care, girl. Yeah, I don't really have a strong opinion on that. Honestly, their videos were a little too performative for me, so. The consequences are almost built in. If you're a couple that enters into a relationship and very quickly shows that relationship online,

and if you end up breaking up shortly thereafter, it's like the fact that you put it out there so soon, the consequences will be the people's response to you breaking up. So when's the earliest you should post a relationship? I don't know. Because they were six months in. I don't know.

They did what they wanted to do. I don't really care, but it does. It's a peril of danger. But they also, when they came out, they came out swinging. And it was nonstop bit videos, trending sounds. They were on top of the trends, which they probably got some. Pop off, they got whatever. They certainly opened themselves up for the criticism

of being potentially disingenuous with their relationship. Hmm. Yeah. I don't know. She also did post, I guess she was getting some shit for introducing Jason to her daughter. I think just people are sensitive to like, bring moms bringing like men in and out of children's lives. And she kind of addressed that as saying,

like she was introduced to Jason as my friend, as she is to like all of my guy friends and all of my girlfriend's husbands. Like it was no different than. Yeah, I think that that's up to the mom. I really feel like people shouldn't get involved in those kinds of decisions because it's like, and I see this all over the place now

that my algorithm is all about moms and I read the comments sometimes and people are just so harsh and critical of how moms mom and I'm just like, it really should, yeah, if you're harming your kid on camera. Obviously. Yeah. But everything else?

But everything else. You don't know the context? You don't know the context, you don't know what's happening outside of this rectangle that you're looking at it through. But anyways, we wish them both the best. I hope Jason finds someone not in the public eye next. That's just my wish for him. Just one man's opinion.

Lonadelle Ray could do it. You could do it too. He can tell me to go fuck myself. But yeah, maybe someone not online. All right, now, well, before we get to talking about Roni and Golden Bachelor, we have a couple of queens about to join this episode. Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Minkoff,

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Thank you. To the Vile Falls. Cynthia, welcome to the Vile Falls. Thank you. I mean, obviously, very excited to have you ladies. The cat's out of the bag. I know we've kind of already announced it, but like Humble Bragg is premiering on NV Media's network.

Cynthia and Crystal are co-hosting their new show, our new show, a new show. I'm very excited to have these ladies be part of the team. Congratulations for being part of our family. Thank you. Are you guys excited as much. I'm very excited to have these ladies be a part of the team. Congratulations for being part of our family. Thank you. Are you guys excited as much as I'm excited? We're so excited. Like seriously, it hasn't hit me yet though.

Like I keep like, like it's only been like a couple of days and I'm like, shit, we have a podcast. Crystal and I have been talking about doing this show for about a year now. We've been, we've been modeling all this for a long, long time. And then she was like, I wanna do it with Cynthia Bailey.

I'm like, what, really? You're like, who's that? No, I was, oh no, no, Cynthia. I knew exactly who you were and I was very excited about that. Well, I was very honored to be chosen because Crystal knows a lot of people that I'm realizing more and more.

As we get to know each other, I'm like, she literally knows like everyone. So to be chosen by Crystal, I am the chosen one. The sea parted and I saw your face. And I said, this is the one. We met a couple of years ago at a mutual friend. We went to an event and it's one of my girlfriend's events. She happened to be there.

And we both were already on our perspective shows. Yeah Yeah, I think it was at least three years ago because I remember still being married. Yes Yeah, and yeah, you're still a friend on Atlanta. I am a official friend There's a difference. Okay, so I was on Real Housewives Atlanta for 11 consistent years as a consistent 11 peach holder. And when it was done, when I decided to walk away, which was really like, basically,

they didn't really technically ask me to come back as a housewife, but I kind of knew it was kind of like the end of the road for me, because I just didn't have anything else to say. But anyway, they kind of like threw the friend thing, but I just felt like, you know what, if we're gonna break up, let's just break up.

You can't break up with me and still get coochie. You know what I mean? So I had a clean break. Exactly how I feel. But then, well sometimes you can break up with me and get coochie, but not in that case. Depends on who's breaking up with you. And only when you want it.

Only when I want to give up the coochie. But anyway, I've had just such an amazing relationship, whatever, getting the girls and whatever, and I was like, okay, woo, this is good. Like I needed a break because I never took a break. And then I just kind of missed it, honestly. And of course the fans, I love my housewife fans. And I was like, oh my God, you know,

why did you leave when you come back? So anyway, I would just like, whenever I was in Atlanta, I would just pop in and play with the girls a little bit, unofficially. And that was fun. What's the span from when you left as a full time? I'm just curious. I think the first year I just really like sat down

and just jumped right into my acting career and went into acting classes, which is going very well by the way, we'll get to that. But anyway, but like then I was like, wait a minute, come Mr. Girls, I'm in Atlanta. Like they would still invite me to stuff, but I'm like, but are they filming it? So it was like weird to go and be on camera

and not be a part of the show. So I was like, well, we have to figure something out because I would want to go, but I was like, can I get paid to go? Because if I have to be mic'd, like it's just kind of weird for me to go and not like be paid at that point. So anyway, long story short, we figured something out

and it was still unofficial. And then this year for Sweet 16, which ends up being more of a surprise 16 because a lot of crazy stuff happens this season. Um, we, you know, they came to me and said, hey, we would love for you to be a friend, but like in a more official way, which basically means I went on the trips and stuff,

which is an unofficial friend. You don't get invited to the trips. And as an unofficial friend, you usually don't get to do confessionals, but they still let me do confessionals as an unofficial friend. But officially don't get to do confessionals, but they still let me do confessionals as an unofficial friend. But officially now I do trips and then confessionals

and I shot a lot this season, so you'll see a lot of me. Before we get more into humble brag, I have a question to you, especially around friends, official friends or unofficial friends when it comes to Bravo. Okay, I know I'm not gonna like this question, go ahead. What, why not? I just can feel the energy of it.

Go ahead, hit me. You're in the loop more than I'm in the loop. You, go ahead. What, why not? I just can feel the energy of it. Go ahead, hit me. You're in the loop more than I'm in the loop. You're friends with Tamara, right? Well, I am, I'm closer to Teddy, that's who I know. And I'm very cool with Tamara, obviously. I've never met Tamara. Okay, she's awesome. I've friends with, I consider Teddy a friend.

Definitely. Teddy's been on the show. I just saw Teddy at the event the other night we were just talking about. I like Teddy, Sierra does like Teddy. Okay, well, yeah. This is a friend. Definitely. Teddy's been on the show. I just saw Teddy at the event the other night we were just talking about. I like Teddy. You too. Okay, well. What's the question?

Call me out. I'm just over here minding my business. Oh my God. From a fan standpoint, I know Teddy as a person. As a person, I love Teddy. I'm a big Bravo fan. So I feel like I know you guys even though I don't know you at all.

We have been watching OC like crazy. And I'm sure you probably know the main storyline, Shannon Bedor, her recovery, her healing. Yeah, healing journey. And everyone, specifically Alexis, and are you familiar with what's going on? Yes, I definitely have an idea, and I also saw Alexis in John at the event as well.

At that event, Alexis was doing the red carpet, like asking why people don't feel bad for her. And I'm like, well, I can tell you why people don't feel bad for you. But like, what am I missing as a viewer, as a fan of the show? I'm new to the show, I'm new to all these people. I understand that Shana Bador seems like she has been

messy in times and yes, maybe has over consumed all these things. But my understanding of Bravo World is that it's all about the come up. Bravo wants to keep their people in the middle ground. If you're too high, they knock you off a peg. Oh, totally. If you're too low, how do you explain? What?

Wait, so if you're too high, they knock you down a peg? Yes. If you're, it's like if you're living life, if everything's going well... I'd be like, oh, you're doing too good. But can I tell you, someone comes for you. But I actually don't think that's isolated to Bravo. I think that...

It's kind of like a reality TV. Yeah, because I remember my first season, I was like, just depressed all the time, crying all the time. I don't know, why do people feel this way about me? That would be a typical first season. And then I remember walking into the house, and Rob the time. Like, I don't know why people feel this way about me. That would be a typical first season. And then I remember walking into the house, and Rob and my brother and a couple of their guy friends

are watching a football game. And I walk in and I go, oh, who do you guys want to win? It was college. And they said, da-da-da. I go, why? They're like, oh, because, I don't know, they're the underdog. And it was like, bing! I'm like, okay, that is just human. People don't wanna see the winners win.

They wanna see the losers win, and then once they build them up and they get that trophy, it's like, chop them down. Chop them down. Yeah, they don't like that. So I think that's like inherently. It's exhausting to see people just keep winning and winning and winning, you know what I mean?

It's not just Bravo, but I think specifically to the fans of Bravo and the network, I think for the fans who watch Housewives, I think they all find you women obviously very interesting, but all of Bravo fans want to see your authenticity, right? Yeah. True. And I think the fans who watch the show, like all of you, are imperfect people.

And I think we see ourselves through the people we watch on these shows. Right. And I think when we watch someone go through it, hit rock bottom or fuck up in a way that they really need to be held accountable and apologize and go on their healing journey, we wanna see these people get through it and get to the other side

because that gives us hope for ourselves. So when Shannon has a DUI and isn't a hit and run, yeah we know she fucked up. We've talked all our shit about all, we were pretty hard on Shannon when it happened, and we're like wow, fuck, this is crazy. But here she is, like seemingly trying to do her shit together.

I knew you asked her, but this is my theory. So let me finish the question you can answer. But why the fuck is the whole Harlecast acting as if it's time to beat on Shannon? Okay, so this is my theory I'm not there. I don't know. I know I hear a little bit I'm friends with some of the people so I hear a little bit But my theory is that it's easy for the audience if they're disconnected They don't have true connections with these people right there. Just voyeurs of you know That they're like on a simple level, like I just said,

underdog buildup. But within the comments of the group, their actual real relationships, I'm sure the girls who are at her are annoyed or like we've already gone through this, like you've already gone through rehab, I don't know, I'm assuming this, right? So I would be like, we have told you time and time,

by the way, I don't know, I have no sides because I don't watch it, but I'm like, time and time again, I've told you this is the problem, and now the audience is like against us for saying like, these are our boundaries. Maybe they're just like, that's what they're feeling, the boundaries. Maybe, but like, there's like cameras

like laughing at Shannon. Well, that's fair. I need an update. Why is she laughing at her? I need an update because the last I caught up with, I thought that everyone felt bad for Shannon and they were giving Alexis a really hard time for bringing John on the show.

That's the core of it, right? So what has happened in the last week? Really, that's the core of it. You got John suing Shannon. It's because maybe Shannon's the darling of this season right now and everyone's rallying against her and they're sick of it. Who's rallying against Shannon?

Because women are cruel and bitches. The other housewives are rallying against Shannon? First, they seem inconvenienced by having to pick sides between Alexis and Shannon. So there's that, which comes across as weird. And Shannon just gives like, if I'm Shannon, I think everyone's watching this being like, of course if you're Shannon, you would be annoyed by Alexis's existence and behavior. Yes, 100%.

And then all of Shannon's peers that are friends are kind of acting as if they don't understand why Shannon's so upset about all this. That's crazy. That's actually crazy. Do you think though it It's cuz the show cuz they're kind of like there is that There is that barrier where we've like why are you bringing this person around? But then also we also know like we signed a contract. We know who's coming

Well, I know you sort of have to like accept that that's the filming schedule Well, I'm saying I'm clear why Alexis is there. I mean, it's great for her to be there for great TV. It's like she could like torture Shannon basically. It's like her existence does. But anyway, like for me, Shannon, I totally, my heart goes out to Shannon. And I really like for a number of different reasons. However, however, I do think that, you know,

in the TV world, Alexis was on the show at one point, I don't think it's crazy for her to come back and why not bring juicy John to like to stir it all up or whatever. But what I found, and I haven't been totally keeping up with it like 100%, but I know the broad strokes of what's happening. I felt like if I was Alexis and I was going to come back over here and get this check and bring John with me because I'm so in love with him and he's so in love with me and it just is the way it turned out. I feel like I would kind of be like not that Shannon would want to be my friend. I just feel like I wouldn't be awful to her. I would just kind of be like, Hey, like I know you hate me but like can we like I would try to really like try to have some empathy for her and try to have like side things with her instead of like letting the group kind of dictate the temperature of what's happening.

Yeah, but like right now the approach is Alexis is this kind of like inserting herself in the group and then in a weird way acting like Shannon's ruining her and John's life. Okay, do you think Alexis is trying to get an orange? Yeah. Of course. Oh, okay, well then she's just- Well, clearly she's trying to get an orange.

Okay, well then that's what it is. And it's cruel. No, I get it. Is she a friend? Yeah. She's a friend. She did all this for a friend? Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. Is she an official friend or an unofficial friend? Hold on. But I bet you they offered her a contract. She didn't go on the trip. But they made it seem like Shannon invited her, but I'm so tired of Bravo pretending y'all don't.

They don't host the trips? Yes. Oh, we talked about the. Wait, what about hosting the trips? We talked about the episode. Bravo talks like right now in the storyline. I mean, I love Bravo C, but like right now it's just like, well, if you can afford to take the girls on a trip

and you can afford to pay John Jensen, like she didn't fucking pay for that shit. Yeah, she didn't. The best thing that ever happened to reality TV was breaking the fourth wall. Like the fact that we had to pretend that we actually paid money to take 25 people on a trip is insane.

No, it's stupid. And like, oh, where are you staying? I don't know, sponsored by whatever hotel, sponsored by this airline. How do you seamlessly add that in there? Like it's just, it's a blip, it's a moment, right? Like, inviting everyone. It's lazy storytelling, bravo.

Stop, no, but I mean, honestly, how are you gonna say it's like an insert, paid, you know, like, you're not gonna do that. No, it's like, we know, right? Like, we knew, like, 30 years ago, we were unsure if wrestling was real or fake. But now we know. And just don't use it as storytelling,

because now, then they're using. Because you guys know. Just go on the trip. Everyone knows. Just get on the plane and go. Well, I got like a bad, like we did a trip to Barcelona and it ended up being like a really crappy trip. I won't say whose trip it was supposed to be,

but it was so bad and like the place was awful and we had to like leave and everyone was complaining. And then she literally, she had like more rank than me. She was like, I don't want this to be my trip. And they were like, well, it has to be somebody's trip. And of course they're like, Cynthia, would you mind? They're like, this is your trip. Oh, really?

Now I have to have a shitty trip just because it didn't work out. And I literally had to sit in my confessionals and go, well, I was like looking at Airbnbs and it looked really great. I literally had nothing to do with like And I totally had to take the L like this is like stuff that we had to do back in the day and like I just Want to say for the record now for anyone to saw that Barcelona episode that was not actually my trip

None of them are but I am cheap and I would have picked a very reasonable place for a sec It could have been my trip. Which is what it gave me. I just don't even feel like this is some big. Yes, they do believe it. No, they do. I just got yelled at. Someone sent me those horrible DMs. You are a part of a cult and all these things.

I'm like, what are you talking about? I can't believe you're a Scientologist. And I'm like, you have the wrong person. That's so crazy. You have the wrong Minkoff? You have the wrong Minkoff. I'm like, I'm a Scientologist. No, people still ask me every day, is it scripted? Like they literally ask me like, is it scripted?

And I just think it's crazy at this point for people to ask me that. Like clearly we're not sitting there as actors like studying like the line. We almost can't even make it up. But you're actually saying the opposite of what the trip is. You're like, of course it's not scripted, but... It's staged. But you actually made up that you did it. No, it the trip is. You're like, of course not scripted, but. It's staged. But you actually made up.

No, it's not staged. We're put in situations. That's what I mean, staged. Well, okay, for like. Stage, yeah, I think people think stage is almost scripted. Stage is like you're creating an environment, you're staging a situation and it's like go. And then from there, all the conversations are authentic.

Right, 1000%. Like once we get there, but they have to get us there. Exactly, controlled environment. You have to go have lunch with Candy. You're on a trip, you're in a Sprinter van, whatever. You're in a Sprinter van. They bring you to stand in front of a mansion. Yeah, I don't know.

It's just, yeah. Because again, we have to make a TV show. We understand it's a TV show. Let's not pretend it's not a TV show. You just want the trips to just not be, to slide into, just get on the trip. we have to make a TV show. We understand it's a TV show. Let's not pretend it's not a TV show. You just want the trips to just not be, to slide into, just get on the trip. Yeah, just get on the trip.

I don't, I don't. But it sounds like they made a whole storyline out of not inviting her, so maybe that was a thing. Maybe she was supposed to go on the trip, she's pissed. I'm fine with that storyline. Vanderpump does that sometimes, where they do it, it's just like, am I invited to Sheena's wedding? Am I not invited to Sheena's wedding?

And it's like, okay, fine. But when you start using the cost of said trip while simultaneously giving me a like- Oh, like I paid for the trip. An ad for the airline in which they're traveling on. Right, okay. And you know, a shot of the hotel and signage. It's just like-

You guys are totally messing this up for everyone who didn't realize. This is how it worked. Well, that's why they listened to us. Yeah. Actually, that's how our show is gonna be. I tell people it's BTS and like what's actually happening. We are smart fans of reality TV.

We're professional TV watchers. Do not insult our intelligence anymore. I'm a fan of said reality TV. I know as someone who is on the, I know more than as much as anyone how the sausage is made and I still love this shit. You know that there's a wizard behind the curtain. And that's what I'm saying, you can still love it. You can still demand authenticity from your,

cause you can still be authentic in an environment that is staged. Is yours more staged? The Bachelor? Yeah. Well, it's a more of a controlled environment. Okay. So staged in that sense where it's just like,

it's always the same environment, right? Is it somewhat scripted or is it just? Oh, I would say the Bachelor's the least scripted. Oh, wow. Yeah, I believe that. But they keep you up like all night, right? That's what I've heard. Like, it's really late.

There's content to record. It's not like a, it's in no way are they keeping you up for the purposes of sleep. For torture. For torture. It's not like a it's it's it's in no way Are they keeping you up for the purposes of see for torture for torture? It's just like there's just a lot. You know you've you've filmed reality TV hurry up and wait You know yes everything takes time. Yeah, you know and things are delayed. It's not like You know it's just like in your cast. It's like you've been around drinkers you and some people don't drink Yeah, yeah, you know yeah, I drink been around drinkers, you've been, some people don't drink. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I drink. Right. I could not do reality TV without a cocktail. But no one's there being like, make sure Cynthia has her own drink. No. Like you're in a bar. Actually that's good to debunk.

Yeah. People think, oh, they try to get you drunk. They don't feed you. Yeah. I want to clear that up. Yeah. That's not true at all. Because we have a bunch of non-drinkers on our show that who literally never drink. And I'll just go ahead and just say, Candy Bearers does not drink alcohol. And no one has ever asked her to drink alcohol. Well, maybe on one of my birthdays, I was like, can you just have one shot with me? But for the most part, we're in no way forced to drink anything.

All of that does not happen on the Real Housewives of Atlanta, for sure. I can't speak to all the reality TV shows in the world, but for Atlanta, definitely not. If anything is the opposite, I'm literally driving to a scene going, as soon as I get there, that margarita better be on the table.

Go ahead and get that order in and keep them coming until I leave. And if I have to Uber home, I'll Uber home. Yeah, and then like, if you wanna drink, they'll have one ready. But other than that. But we ask for it. Yeah, and then when you're filming these,

you know, our vacations together, there's so much content to film. So like when you're in the vans, I don't know for you guys, like sometimes there's not, we skip like the meal scene, but they'll always have like food. No, we don't, Atlanta doesn't skip any meal scenes. Oh, we will. But they have like sandwiches in the car, in the vans,

and like we're like scarfing down food and yeah, but no, they don't force that. So big season of Beverly Hills is about to come out. Yeah, another big season. Yep, you will not be on it. I will not be on it. Aw, boo. It's okay.

I know, but I loved you on it. I loved your last season of it. Thank you. I felt like you were finally getting your groove. Yeah, she was. I think I was. You were starting to get real messy. I was.

You were. You were in it. I was finally starting. I wouldn't say I was comfortable yet, but I was starting to feel comfortable. Because it takes a while to, like, go through the whole cycle of it airing, watching it, and then when I rewatched it for the... Like, you know when they preview it, like, right before the next season? It all seemed such nonsense and irrelevant when at the moment it's airing,

it feels so big and meaningful and, like, my life is over or someone else's life is over. And then you watch it again, you're like, Even it's airing, it feels so big and meaningful and like my life is over or someone else's life is over. And then you watch it again, you're like, oh my God, people literally, like the way people like hated Erika, like it was so intense. And even just us girls were like, no one's ever had this experience on the show.

And then the next season's like, queen, we're dancing. And I was like, that was my learning lesson. I was like, oh, it's really nothing matters. None of it matters. And I don't have a life like that, that're dancing. And I was like, that was my learning lesson. I was like, oh, it's really nothing matters. None of it matters. And I don't have a life like that, that's so extreme. So like anything that I said is like forgotten anyway. But yeah, I was getting comfortable, but it was just, it was done.

I was like, as you said, you know, it's like winding down. Like I didn't know when it was gonna wind down, but I also knew I was never going to amp up for anyone. Like I just, that's not my style. They pushed me, but like, come on, let's like, they wanted me to amp up all the time. And I'm like, okay, I did. Like, I don't know what to say.

I am like a normal person and I'm not an actor. I don't know how to do that. So it was- It's not easy. It's not easy, especially if you wanna stay true to who you are. Like if you're just not like, you know. I want to tell you, I started watching Atlanta.

A crazy, I mean, like some people are just made for this stuff. Like I can't make it up. Like I have cast mates, they want all the smoke. And I'm literally like, no smoke please. Like please, I don't want to like, I don't want to, I just want to come and have fun and drink and, and eat and go on the trips and talk about stuff

and like help people make up. Like that's like, I've always loved being the voice of reason. And like literally like, even in my confessionals, like, and that's the time where you light everybody up because that's when like in person, usually everyone's pretty nice to you. And then, you know, what I learned my first season was I honestly thought everybody loved me.

I was like, this is awesome. I knew they were gonna like me. I was like, this is awesome. I knew they were going to like me. I watched that show and saw the confessionals and they were literally calling me like, they said I was obsessed with NeNe because I was like her friend on the show who I was loyal to because that's who they wanted me to be friends with. They were calling me like single black female. Like they literally made it seem like I actually was watching and I was like, am I a stalker? Am I in love with Nene? What the hell is going on? Because it really was like,

they sold it. It really like and people were all on my timeline. What is wrong with you? And then I made the funny, awesome, great iconic mistake of coming up with a friend contract to give to Nene. And that just really stamped me as a stalker because then I would have to see confessionals like Kim Zolani going, what is wrong with her? Who gives someone a friend contract? Wait, did you make that up?

I totally made it up. I thought it was hilarious. I thought it was funny because I couldn't tell if she was like really my friend or not because I would like hear them talking stuff. And I was like, but wait, we're friends. Like, I don't understand. You're like my one friend on the show that I thought

was like my girl. Like, what do I need to do? you're like my one friend on the show that I thought was like my girl. Like, what do I need to do? Like, put you on a contract? And I thought it was hilarious. And it totally ended up making me look insane. Totally. I've learned about reality TV. Reality TV doesn't really like your jokes.

I know. Well, if you try to be, well, it's just that they, so much about humor is timing and delivery. And when it comes to reality TV, context is irrelevant. Timing is a suggestion. You know, when what happened when, who knows. That is very poignant for me.

Because I remember, I feel like that's who I am. I'm extremely sarcastic. Like that's, and you don't, and that doesn't read on TV. And I'll never forget my very first all cast event was my third day filming. I walked in and it was at PK and Dreat's house. And I had met PK a couple of times at somewhere else, like at someone else's house.

And he's like, oh my God, like you're on the show. Welcome. I said hi. And he goes, I'll give you advice. Everyone hated me because I'm super sarcastic. Don't do that. Like just be careful. I'm like, okay, hi. And he goes, I'll give you advice. Everyone hated me because I'm super sarcastic. Don't do that. Like, just be careful. I'm like, okay. That... And he did it genuinely as like, to help me. That seized me up forever.

I was like, I can never make a joke because they're gonna attack me for my joke or it's not gonna land. So I just avoided being myself from there. That really didn't end when I look back. Because I am literally the snarkiest, more sarcastic person. And I was so afraid that it's gonna read whatever he was. He's like, oh, everyone hated me, Chris.

Everyone hated me. They don't get it. They don't get your jokes on TV. And you're right, it doesn't work. But also it's like, it turned on me by not being myself. So maybe if I was myself, it could't work, but also it's like it turned on me by not being myself. So maybe if I was myself, it could have read, I have no idea.

I don't know, but I think so. Well, Humble Bragg is the place where Crystal and some people be there themselves. We are funny people, so watch our podcast. Speaking of PK and Dorit. Yes. How do you think Dorit's gonna be going into the season? Is she single?

What's going on with her? I don't know if she's single because Rob ran into PK last week. Oh, Timmy. Oh wow. Was he wearing a tracksuit? I didn't ask. I can't ask my husband what other men are wearing.

It's like, what was he wearing? I actually like PK. He blocked me. Why? I've never met PK. Because his wife and I were sparring. You guys are friends, right? I actually genuinely really liked-

So she blocked you first and then he blocked you as well? She didn't block me, we followed each other. Wait, so why would he block you? She didn't even block you. Doreed didn't block you but PK did? No, yeah. But he blocked you. Because I think he blocked me.

I'm surprised, I found out later. But Doreed and I think, the thing with Doreed's been on the show for I think nine years now or something like that. She also knows the game. It's like, this is what we do. We spar like, and you move on. Like I don't hold grudges, you know?

She was my first person I liked. And we actually hung out outside the show, which is rare. People are like, where's the rest of the crew? And you're like, you don't hang out with these people like outside, like it's rare. It's like one or two. I actually do hang out with some. All of them?

All of them at the same time. It seems like a miss-pack. But like if they call. Yeah, I have like one or two that I actually do think it was a myth. All of them? All of them at the same time. It seems like a myth bag. But like if they call, like, you know, like, hey, you know, we'll get together. But you have five months of filming every day. Like I have to go back to like my other friends. Like they're all put on hold, you know? But Dorit and I did, and our daughters are the same age,

so we go to, you know, we invite our kids to each other's birthday parties. We were having like a good moment. But then, whatever, I think it was time that we sparked. I think it's like, you can't just keep having the same fights with people. So it just started happening. Nonetheless, PK blocked me. It's fine. But Rob ran into him and he goes,

you're not gonna believe who I ran into. I said, what was he wearing? And he said, PK. I was like, oh, he's very lovely. And Rob, he goes, I said to him, did you guys fake your like divorce? Because you told me he said that. And he goes, no, it was all real. And so Rob.

So they are divorcing? No, I think that they were having problems. They were having problems. I think they were back together. I think it went through a two month cycle. They're back together. That's what I think. I don't know actually, but.

I don't know. It didn't sound like they were not together, what Rob said. He just said we were having problems and we shared them. I really wanted to see Dorit date on next season. I know that would've been more interesting I think. But Dorit's character dates, like she's like a person with young kids and you never know.

You still have next season, you never know. I wish that Rob would have responded to PK when he asked how you and the kids were like, if you want to block Crystal, you can find out for yourself. By the way, he didn't know. I don't tell Rob this because he would be really sensitive to that. He'd be like, why? Because he sees it all as very surface.

The whole thing, all the fighting. He's like, why are you crying? It's like so funny, this episode. I'm like, they're telling him I'm manipulative. He goes, oh, it's so funny. Like, he thinks it's all stupid and because, you know, he's a director. He thinks it's, you know, entertainment. So when he sees everyone off the show, he's like, oh yeah, we're all in this together. Like, you know, he doesn't think.

So I said he actually blocked me. I think he'd been like, I'm so upset. I think blocking someone is such a like intentional, strong, aggressive move. Like for me, like you have to be awful to me for me to actually block you. Unless, unless. Like I'll mute you.

Like I'm a muter. Unless they broke your heart. I'm a muter. I love muting people. It's like my favorite button. But if I actually take the time to block you, then I really, really. And I want you to know it.

You have offended me, insulted me. You have just done the most of my timeline for me to say. Should I be more upset? You can't be here anymore. It's a move. Should I be upset? I don't think so. Well, I don't think you need to be bothered

by PK in general. Block Amy. Yeah, I mean, you don't have to lose. Were y'all hanging all the time? I'm gonna spend time tonight and process it. I am certainly looking forward to hearing your takes on this season. I will be giving them. Prediction, who do you think will be on the up and who do you think will be on the down

this season on Beverly Hills Housewives? It's hard to say because they're all friendly. They're all getting along. So I don't know what the season is going to look like. Every year I've been on, people like literally hate each other. Like they're at each other's throats at the end of the season. Like everyone's liking each other and commenting and buddy-buddy, so... You don't think that's performative at all?

No. These girls don't perform nice. Like it's not, you're not like performatively nice. I genuinely don't know. I do know that it was like Dorit versus Kyle first, because that's how it ended. And then they got their back together. And then I know that Dorit fights with a lot of the girls. So whether she's up or down, we'll have to watch.

But I don't know. She was down last season. Hell yeah she was. So I feel like Dorit's gotta be kind of on the up. I hope she redeems herself. Kyle's a staple. She's always up or down, she doesn't care. She's always a main character, I suppose. Yeah, she is.

It's her show. When I started the show, I was told by the girls, this is Kyle's show. They let you know. I do think of her. When I think of Beverly Hills, I think of Kyle. 1,000%. She kinda earned it.

It's the sorority. I was being hazed, and she's like the queen, the den mother, whatever it's called. Yeah, the president. Like she's, and she will always be president. Yeah, she's been on, she's an OG. She's been on from day one. Well, ladies, I am excited for you guys to launch your show.

What can people expect in your first couple of episodes? Ooh, Runaway Train. We were supposed, we had like two jobs just to say how we met and why we did a podcast together and we literally like I don't even know how I tried to apply for a job with Delta on the podcast. So what I thought about starting this podcast it was really like okay I'm on this show about Beverly Lille's Housewives yet no one is like no one is authentically that, except me.

I feel like I'm just like everybody else, but under this weird sort of veil of L.A. Hollywood that there's always these, I would tell my friends stories who don't live in L.A. and they're like, that's not a normal story. I'm like, it is. And like, that's not what people, like that's not how life is.

I'm like, it is. And I was like, it would be fun to like share these stories with people that, who live the same stories. I'm like, it is. And I was like, it would be fun to like share these stories with people that who live the same stories. And I thought Cynthia is out every day. Have you have ridiculous stories that you don't know they are. It's just your life. Your life is jet setting and, and fun and crazy.

And so I thought it was fun to like share those stories and, um, give a little BTS of, you BTS of what has gone down for me the last four years and your last 11 years. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot. I mean, for the whole Cynthia and Crystal connection of it all, I think people don't would normally just put us together. I don't think we would have known each other if it wasn't for the Bravo World in some

way. I call us the odd couple. Yeah, we are. For me, like I was always, I always tried to like carry myself with like grace and class on the show, which basically for reality TV means boring. And I felt like in a lot of ways you kind of got that tag as well, because you were like, you know, mindful, you're like empathetic, you're like, Oh my God, I don't want to be hurtful or whatever. So I think this is a great space for us to actually show our true personalities,

like some of the things that you guys don't get to see on, you know, the Housewife platforms, which is great because like even like the whole funny thing, like I think I'm pretty funny as well, but I wasn't casted to be the funny one. Yes, like you get sort of pigeonholed, but it's beyond that. We just, we just vibe and we vibe with you.

So we thought, hey, let's just get off. I like you on site, by the way. As soon as you walked into the IV, I was like, Likewise. That's my people. Yeah. Did she get a rose? What?

Did I get a rose? Did I get a rose, yeah. Well, we are super excited to have you ladies. Congratulations on the new show. You can check out Crystal and Cynthia's new show, Humble Bragg, every Monday. It's dropping the 21st of October this Monday, so you'll be sure to check it out.

I think you can already subscribe, so go right now and subscribe to their show. It's gonna be wacky, wild, and fun. I cannot wait for y'all to listen to it. Thank you ladies for joining us. Thanks, Nick. You're welcome., wild, and fun. I cannot wait for y'all to listen to it. Thank you ladies for joining us. Thanks, Nick. You're welcome. Thank you, thank you.

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It's dropping every Monday. It's the perfect thing to listen to right after you check out Ask Nick. First episode is this coming Monday. First episode is this coming Monday, so be sure to check it out. All right, so let's get into some Love is Blind. I've heard some rumors that we might be anticipating

a little bit of a crossover of some Bachelor Nation people into other universes. Perfect match. Rumored, I've seen this online. Yeah, there's been leaks of past. So maybe love is blind in the future as well. Interesting. I would watch. Well, cause that's interesting too,

because it's like you kind of recognize the voice. Would you want to see Jason Tartick on Love is Blind? Yeah. Wait, that's a good point, Leo. Like what if I'm talking to Morgan Freeman? Like I'm gonna know it's Morgan Freeman the first second he talks. I'm gonna be like, wait.

Right, like a lot of these people do have very- Distinct voices. Distinct, so it also adds like a guessing factor too, because it's like, you know, kind of like who could be there. Whereas like if it's complete strangers, like maybe you've seen them on a dating app, but otherwise. But instead of being like, you know, what celebrity do you look like?

It would be like, what shows have you been in? What movies have you been in? It's very easy. It's very easy to deduce who it is, I think. I think there are holes. Also, if it's celebrities, I feel like the cast will get leaked far before. And people will know who all is in there. They'll know who everybody is in there.

Well, if you make it to the next phase. Right, yeah. It's like, hide your relationships, spot it out. Filming a project, whatever it is, yeah. Well, the new batch of Love is Blind episodes are out and we'll be breaking down episode 10 on this episode and we'll be breaking down episode 11, Neckis episode, and then the finale comes out after that,

Mr. Garrett and Ms. Taylor. Yes. I thought this was a really interesting conversation because here you have Garrett and Taylor seeming to be super communic communicative super open super honest really Embracing this I really pride myself in being an honest guy, especially in relationships I really want to be honest transparent as humans sometimes do you kind of get caught up you get stressed you get afraid of? What to say and you don't know how to say something and I feel like that's what Garrett did in the situation like he

Definitely was not honest. And in his defense, this was all within like a day span. So it was really fast. People are like, they're working their jobs still. So it's like. But I can kind of, I just like watching it play out. I just feel like we've all been Garrett before. Yes, we have.

You know, where something like. The detail or the fact. Here he has an X reach out, right? He didn't control that, you know? It wasn't like, he didn't ask for that. We're gonna give him the benefit of the doubt that his ex did randomly reach out. And then he probably had an aw fuck moment.

You know, it's like, do I tell her, do I not tell her? I know she's gonna care about it, I know she's gonna be mad about it, and I don't really care about it. And this means nothing to me. This is a nothing burger. So like, I'll kinda tell her about, you know, like I think we kinda all do stuff like that.

And we've done it at that time. You don't think so? I disagree. I was gonna say, I mean. No? I'm sure done it in certain situations. But I feel like to your partner, like why are you leaving that out if you don't think you did something wrong?

Yeah, also I feel like in this situation, they don't have enough time to be fucking around like this. No, I get that. But you've never been Garrett. Well the part where- With this specifically, no. And I think that Ashley- I'm not talking about this specific scenario when we child. Not having an ex reaching out

and you not tell them, but like- Just a scenario where like- Omitting a part of the full story. No, but Ashley is right. But specifically on something, I'm talking about something where, like, I think we can all agree that Garrett's ex reaching out to him,

he didn't do anything wrong. That part happens every day. And it's also something that if he told Taylor in that moment, it could potentially trigger her and upset her, right? That is true. Do we agree with that? I don't think that Garrett did anything wrong.

I think that her reaching out. Well, I think he did something wrong. I think that, no, no, I think that in the text, I don't think he did anything wrong. I think if his ex reaches out and he says, I'm with someone. Stop reaching out. So you never buy, that's fine.

But he omitted the fact that he answered the text. And he said that he just liked it. No, I get it. I know what he did wrong. I know what he did wrong. And I'm not defending his actions. I think what I'm trying to paint a picture of, I empathize with the situation that Garrett found himself in.

And I'm not saying what he did was right. And I understand why she was very upset. And I would be very upset too. I just like, I know those situations where if Garrett didn't do anything wrong, but he knows that a situation happened where that will upset his partner. So it's not like Garrett's like,

hey, I need to own up to this because I fucked up. It's more like, well, I didn't really do anything here. And I can understand why he got to the decision that he did. I don't think he would agree that he did it wrong. I think he would agree that he fucked it wrong. I think he would agree that he fucked up and wishes he did it differently. I just know in those moments when it happens so fast that sometimes we are able to talk ourselves into doing

the wrong thing because we didn't do, it's like I didn't do anything here. This is a nothing thing. And then you realize your partner's upset and you're kind of like why the fuck did I do it that way? When Garrett was mad at himself, I really, I felt like I've been him at times. Not that it was an identical situation.

I think there are times where you can fuck up, have to apologize and it doesn't mean you had bad intentions or that you're doing something nefarious or that you are now an untrustworthy person. She doesn't know that yet, you know, and now she has to like ask him questions, and like she has to deep dive, and she has the right to, you know, feel like what the fuck is going on now.

But I really, I really understood Garrett's fuck up, and I really think it was just a fuck up. I do think that Taylor gave him the opportunity though, to explain himself before they entered the party where he had the time and space to say what happened then. And it was just odd that he didn't just omit, honestly. He lied, like he said, I just liked the message. So it's not even an omission.

She asked him, she said, okay, here's your opportunity to give me the details and he didn't do it. No, I know, he fucked up for sure. He was wrong. I think we like to paint things as black and white. I think we like to give me the details. And he didn't do it. No, I know, he fucked up, for sure, he was wrong. I think we like to paint things as black and white. I think we like to oversimplify. We like to be like, well, I've never lied before and I would never do that in this situation. And if I really tried to be nuanced about this

and really honest with myself as someone who really prides himself in being very honest in my relationships, I have found myself being like, why did I do that? That was stupid. So are you a facts guy? Because they get into this argument at the end of the episode, at the end of episode 10,

where they're defining facts versus details. Because he was saying it's a detail and she's like, no, it's a fact. I mean, I was definitely in agreement with her at that point. Yeah. I also think people do things like that where I'm like, I think he was trying to protect

Taylor's feelings being like, it's not a big deal So why would I let you get upset over this when I'm just telling you she did reach out? It was nothing but I'm like at the same time when you're trying to protect somebody else's feelings You don't know how she's gonna react in that moment So instead it just ended up doing more damage than just you being forthcoming from the get-go I feel like they're about to walk there. They got cameras on and they got mics on. They're about to walk into this event. He's like, this is bad fucking timing.

Like, let's just we can talk about it later. Like and didn't feel like getting into it. And then he kind of got caught off guard by Tyler's question and felt kind of like broey with Tyler for a second and just like accidentally dropped it out. Where she was like, wait, what the fuck? You responded. And it was very like, we'll go get your phone. He's like, wait, what the fuck? You responded. And it was very like, we'll go get your phone.

He's like, my phone's over there. And it was like, he got caught when I felt like that, they probably would have had that conversation once they got home and they were like, let's talk about it. And he was like, okay, like, let me show you the message. Like, this is what I said. And it probably would have been a different scenario, but because they're about to walk into this event,

he's like, I don't, like, let's not get into it right now. Like, we can talk about it later. And then Tyler, like, kind of pulls it out of him. It just was like all in all, like, just a bad. I think a lot of it had to do with him being on camera. I completely agree with Natalie. In our relationship, I've had people from my past reach out, knowing that it's like, I'm gonna tell Natalie

that they reached out and I know it's gonna irritate her. And it's like, it's gonna put her in a certain mood. And I didn't do anything wrong, but it's just like when it happens, you're like, ugh, it's like you know how the rest of the day or the rest of the hour is gonna go. And I'll always tell her, but sometimes I don't like, I don't immediately rush to her and go,

this happened and this person reached out. I will sometimes maybe wait for the right time because I just know it's gonna be triggering or upsetting or if nothing else, annoying. And I think Garrett got caught up at a time where he's, again, on camera in this crazy environment, this crazy situation, happened right before everyone's getting together.

And it's like, my guess is he really wanted to tell her. So that's why he told her what he told her because it ate him up to hide it from her. But he wasn't ready to get into it fully because of knowing that would be a deeper conversation and they had to like go to this party. And then she kept asking more questions

and so he kind of like, you know what I'm saying? It kind of unraveled from there. I think it's a difference of like preference. So like, for example, I would want the full story right away, regardless of like, oh, we're walking into a party, because in my mind, I'm like, I'd be spinning the whole time, like, what's the rest of the story, what's going on?

I want the information right away. We all want it right away, but I'm saying it's just like, Garrett was trying to figure out the right time, and his conscience probably had him bring it up sooner than he wanted to, and then it was over from there, because you're like, she's gonna wanna know. If I have a preference, it's I want to know nothing

until we get home, and then you're like, hey, let me tell you everything, because just bread-crumbing a little bit, and then it's like, okay, now I have to act like we're good when I am kind of annoyed with you. And there's like all these people around and we have to be like the strong couple that we are. It's like, ugh, I don't feel like doing that.

So it's like, I would prefer to not know anything until we get home that night and it's just us, no cameras, whatever. And I can- And I know Nellie now. I know how to handle these things. And we have the trust where I could, if she were like, well, why didn't you tell me right away?

It's like, I was gonna wait till we got home. And now it would be like, you know, kind of makes sense. They don't have that rapport. They're in this very serious relationship. They're learning each other. They have the pressures of timing and urgency. And it's just like a very imperfect situation

for someone from his past to reach out. Yeah. It is interesting because I am actually glad that they had a little bit of conflict because to just be so like in the honeymoon stage for the whole time, it's like, you're gonna eventually have conflict and this is how you learn each other, right?

Like he didn't know that Taylor was maybe the kind of person who I should just either tell her it all up front or all later and they're learning each other still. And so now he knows, and then in the future, he'll be able to correct that. And so I think that I'm actually glad that they had some conflict in their relationship. What did you think of the conflict between Tim and Alex?

I was like, they did not choose to keep going forward. I never wanna see you again. Tim said real fast, he said, I will never see myself saying yes to you forever. Tim, you took a nap. How dare you? It's giving Corinne. Yeah, Corinne napped a lot in my season.

What did she say? She said a lot of things. About the naps. And that's why you sent her home, right, the naps? Corinne, during the, yeah, what did she say? That they wanted her to apologize for the naps and she was like, this is the most ridiculous thing ever, and that the producers were like, time to apologize,

and she's like, I'm so sorry, I took a nap. Do you know how silly it is for me to be apologizing for napping? It is, that is crazy. I mean, I can see his frustration of just being like, my parents drove 10 hours. That part's valid. And like, they've been through so much, and then hearing her side of like, well, I parents drove 10 hours. That part's valid. And like, they've been through so much. And then hearing her side of like,

well, I did spend four hours with them. And like, you know, like. The phone stuff was weird. Yeah, he was mad at the text message after that she was taking a nap and missed the text, right? And then when she called, it's because you wanna talk on your time, but it's my time.

I was fully on her side. Yeah, he lost completely. I don't understand how these two got together. They could not be more different. They're the opposite person. Yeah, it's like Tim is super organized. He's got everything together. His house looks organized.

Yeah, he's a deliberate, intentional man who puts in a shit ton of effort and consideration. Like you said, he did wake up, fed her whole family. He put a maximum amount of effort, and that's a mistake people make in relationships is like they expect the effort they put in. Yeah, keeping tabs. That was crazy, because she was like,

and remember my mom doesn't like seasoning on her chicken, and it was very like, he was like, okay, I gotta get this right. He was grinding for her chicken. And it was very like, he was like, okay, like, I gotta get this right. Like, he was, he was grinding for her family. And then for her to, like, not really give the same effort, I can see his... Or clean her house at all. I can see why he was really upset.

He was mad about that part, I think. What Natalie's saying, like, he was more mad about the parenting within the nap and the text messages, like, the escalation of, like, I'm gonna choose now to, like, blow this up. Well, it feels like Alex doesn't put in effort, like, in general. Like, you show up to her house and it's just like, I'm gonna choose now to like blow this up. Well, it feels like Alex doesn't put in effort like in general, like you show up to her house and it's just like, you didn't.

Not in the way that she does. She can afford that house by herself. You could have tidied this up a little bit. But she can afford that by herself, let her like live how she wants to live. Like that's what I think. Yes, you can live how you wanna live, but if you're gonna be bringing somebody home.

Well, they're not living together yet. Well, I think that's just a different of like. Lifestyle. Lifestyle, yeah, like there are people out there who resonate with Alex and being like, listen, like my shit's messy. And she said she works hard, like she needs to take a nap because she's like, go, go, go like all day.

Like that makes sense to me. Like she's hustling. Well, that's the thing. I think they're very, there are two people incredibly set in their ways and their ways that they're set in could not be more. Agreed. Opposite of each other.

Yeah, I don't fault Alex for her ways. I just think they could not be less opposite of each other. Yeah, I don't fault Alex for her ways, I just think they could not be less suited for each other. It is like, I think, again, I don't like Tim's delivery, it seems a bit harsh. Very harsh. Very harsh, yeah. He's gonna retract it. But he also seemed hurt.

He seemed, you know, I think we have to allow, I think sometimes when it comes to reality shows, we don't offer, to be honest, some men the grace that we offer others because men can, when they get upset, can come across as angry or even aggressive at times. And I think sometimes we saw Tim make that really direct statement

and it kind of gives like, ooh, I don't know if I like this side of him, but he seemed hurt and upset and he didn't show us any other qualities other than hurt and upset. And I think sometimes we will project when men show emotion on TV, like maybe a darker side,

or we try to read into their anger or their emotions, because obviously we know that sometimes men could be bad at it, and there are a lot of bad actors out there, but I think he was upset. I think he was really hurt by the effort he put in with her family and the moment he had with her dad and she was like, I spent four hours with her family

as if she was super inconvenienced and then needed a nap and was kind of like, what's the big deal? Like, I don't know if there would be any of us who wouldn't be annoyed or at least concerned if this person really is my person. It really seemed what they connected on was family. That the one thing they have in common is how important their families are to them.

And then she was like, your family's not that important. We also missed a really big argument with them. We do that a lot with them. In general, we're just kind of like dropped in to scenes and to emotional conversations. And it's really- I think it's this season specifically. It catches me off guard.

I'm just like, wait, what did I miss? Well, and remember last season who was the teacher, they like reenacted the breakup. Remember one of them, Kenneth? Oh yeah, Kenneth. Kenneth and Weber. Well, I think, remember when you said that when they were in Mexico, you were like, they hate each other.

And I was like, no, it's just compatibility because when something happens, they both just pull away. Like, I don't think Ten's necessarily being harsh. He's just cold. Like when he doesn't agree with someone, he's gonna just say, I'm done, I'm leaving. Yeah, I think he was just so done. And Alex is also gonna be like, well, I'm right.

So then it's like, well, this isn't gonna work. Yeah, what they do have in common is they both seem to be very strong-headed people. Yeah. Who don't easily concede differences, but yeah, they were not meant to be at all. No. Well, and then Hannah told Nick that she thinks he's not on the same level as her. It was, this was a hard episode to watch of just the constant degrading of Nick.

It's hard and obviously we talked to Hannah, she has a lot of regrets, she wished she would have approached it differently, but it's just hard and he takes it so well. I can see her frustration with him, and I think I said this before, it's one thing to wanna nurture your partner, but to mother them is completely different.

And he's looking in the fridge for pasta. He doesn't know how to do simple tasks. It's like, yeah, that's frustrating and that's annoying. But to constantly, constantly, constantly pick at this man. Woo! Yeah, that's a fine line between helping your partner be a better person and just nagging and nitpicking them and breaking them down.

I just feel like, and I think he said this with her brother maybe where it's like, she doesn't compliment him at all. She's just like, he's like, through the obstacle course, that gave me the ick every time you did this, it gave me the ick, you did this, and it's annoying, you can't, it's like, woo. Her family was even like, well, you gotta stop doing that.

It's rough. In short of you, I mean, Natalie and I will joke and have fun with icks at times, but if you're actually being serious about how much your partner gives you the ick, there's no better way to make a man feel emasculated. And if you make him feel emasculated, chances are he's gonna resent you

pretty quickly thereafter. Yeah, well then we have on the Ramses Marissa side, like Marissa said she has a vitamin D deficiency, PMS, and like that's the reason she doesn't wanna have sex all the time. Yeah, Ramses. Interesting context. I know the people we've talked to seem to stand by Ramses.

He's not doing interviews, we found out. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. It's like he's so progressive and so like pro women and feminist until it comes to women. Yeah. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

They can never make me like Ramses. I will say like, I do think it's kind of a double standard, but his take on the military part of it, like I think it's understandable that he doesn't support like the imperialism as a person of color as well. Like he has that perspective. Absolutely. And I think like, well, I'm just. the imperialism as a person of color as well. He has that perspective. Absolutely. And I think like, well I'm just.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with his opinions on the military. And I think for that part of it, they just should not have been matched in the first place because he knew she was in the military. But then also the standard of the sex part is really interesting. Yeah. Even when she's like, I have deficiencies.

This is more than just a condom to me. And he's like, but is this gonna be like an all the time thing? Yeah. It's like all the time. You've only known each other for a couple weeks and you're immediately, like, it's like if we don't have sex every day? Well, part of me wonders that he's like grappling on this part to like nag this because he just can't get past the whole military part, which is, I guess understandable, but just not the match. It's just also just not the way,

like pick something else to be upset about. I think that's letting him off the hook for his expectations of sex in a relationship. I don't think it's a projection. I think he also, in addition to his feelings about Marissa serving in the military, I think he also has a certain level of expectations. And listen, sex is important in a relationship.

But his delivery is very, like, Marissa shouldn't have to explain to this adult man basically like how hormones or a period works for women. You know what I'm saying? Like, he acted like this was the first time he's ever heard that like every once in a while, a woman might have something going on where it changes how she feels, her mood, her sex drive,

and he's acting as if this is news. And she has to explain, like, this is going to happen once a month. That's fucking crazy. Come on, really? Well, that was the part two where later on she said, we figured out our sex life once a month. And I was like, wait, so no condom once a month? Or was she saying it was the period?

Or was she saying? I don't know, I struggle with him. What Ramses does to things, he's obviously an intelligent guy, he's obviously good with his words. To me, at the end of the day, he's just trying to find clever ways that sound better than the average guy being like,

I just wanna make sure I get laid. Yeah, it's like at the end of the day, he just wants to get what he wants. And what he wants is sex constantly all the time. And for her to just be like popping her pussy left and right, up and down. And it's like, sorry, it's just not how it works that way. I mean, like my husband, like the second I hit a REM sleep,

his dick's hard. And I'm like, whoa, I just, I just fell into that. And now, you know, and it's like, listen, it's stuff we had to work through, you know? But like- I am gagged. Just like a who? She's talking about last night.

It's so casual. Oh. She popped off of that one. She was like, really? It's like the second, it takes me so fucking long to fall asleep. And the second I'm in rim... Woo! Did you just touch me?

Literally, it's like, and now I'm awake. So thank you so much for that. And you know what I don't want to do? Touch your dick. Well yeah, because you have to do the work. Because now I'm mad. Now I'm mad. Oh my gosh, so. That was good. You guys had a moment?

It was good. Yeah. Was there anything else that happened this episode? No, I think, I mean. Ashley and Tyler. Yeah. Oh yes. So we do get more clarification. Okay, but also him, her saying like, do they know what,

and it's just like bad in timing, obviously, because the internet has been internetting and like pulling all these photos of this poor children. Which it doesn't necessarily add up to. And he obviously doesn't know that the world is gonna pull this out before he can, but she's like, do they know what you look like? And he's like, I don't think so.

And we've been seeing photos of him with these children and it's like, no, come on. But I do think they handle this conversation with such care and like, you can just on. But I do think they handle this conversation with such care and you can just see the love between the two of them and I really hope they're able to work through this and fight for it. It seems unclear, is there more to the story

and we're just not being shown the story or is there more to the story and Tyler's hiding the story? Like where's the clarity? Yeah. Like either he's lying or people are making it up on the internet. Well, I guess he's in photos, but.

Or, or, or, or like we're just, you know, unfortunately this is the season of like, we're not being shown everything. Yeah. So they just. We're missing real conversations. They're trying to like redo the conversation for the camera and it's like, they're just missing pieces that maybe he's already told her that. He seems very reluctant to have the conversation for the camera and it's like they're just missing pieces

that maybe he's already told her that. He seems very reluctant to have this conversation. I don't understand why. I think it would be something he would be proud of, of being a surrogate. It seems like a wholesome incident that he was a surrogate. But he clearly seems uncomfortable. It does just get sticky when children are involved

and you can tell that like, I don't know what his involvement is with these children But clearly it's like an uncomfortable situation where it's like I understand him being like I don't know if this is something I really want to bring to national television. Yeah, and what do we know about this? Situation online and at wall in the show He says that like it was a close friend and her wife, they wanted to have kids, so he was the sperm donor.

Online we have- And it was a lesbian couple. A lesbian couple, yeah. So already on that, a donor's role in that dynamic- Should be removed, right? Yeah, but the fact that he is involved is not- It's not crazy. Well, it's not normal.

I don't think it's that crazy. I thought that it's crazy. What I'm saying is there's no, it's not normal. I don't think it's that crazy. Not that it's crazy, what I'm saying is like, there's no like, it's a unique situation for anyone. So like, I can understand why he has a hard time articulating this unique situation. To me, the problem is like, he had off camera time before this to tell her, I understand him not wanting to bring this on television,

right, but then he had time. Oh, he fucked up. Regardless, this is something you say in the pods. No, he owed Ashley this conversation in the pods before they got engaged. He was completely wrong there. I mean, I don't know, and maybe she will learn whatever the truth is,

and maybe she will learn to the truth is, and maybe she will learn to accept it and forgive him, but like, yeah. I mean, the omission of this story, before they got engaged, with someone who, like, they have a lot of conversations about kids, was a huge fuck up on his part. And Ashley has the right to feel a certain way about it. You know, we just don't know yet

how she fully is gonna feel about it. Well, and then online to answer the rest of your question, we have someone who has pictures of him with kids saying that they were supporting him through the process, but he was with them being a fatherly-ish role before, and then he kind of disappeared once the process started. It seems like there's a lot of confusion around this whole situation.

Maybe we'll learn more. Yeah, I mean, hopefully, yeah. That probably wraps it up. We'll get into episode 11 on Tuesday. And then finale on Wednesday next week. Exciting. So we'll talk episode 11 on Tuesday, we'll talk the finale,

and then we have a reunion coming up at some point. Those are the best. Excited for that. All right, Roni. Was Uba a mouthpiece for Sai or was Brynn the villain? That's my question. I might be off base here, but I kind of feel like the whole mouthpiece

for a Sai situation is kind of an annoying take because I'm like, I think Uba's confronting the issue about how everybody's misconstruing what people are saying and twisting their words. And she's just using Sai as the example because it's happened three times on this trip already. But like, everyone's making it out, like Uba's overreacting or whatever.

And I'm like, no, she's just saying, stop twisting people's words. That's why nobody can be honest about how they feel. She is speaking for Sai though. So like when it came to later, she was like, well, Sai talked to me after you guys made up and said that she's still mad at you. I did appreciate Brynn's response of like,

fight with me with something smarter. Like when people are just like, you know, F you and F this and you're a bitch and you're that and you're that. And she's like, no, like give me an actual insult. Like say something smarter to me. And then Uba being like, shut the F up. Pidget.

It's definitely like, shut the F up is a strong. It is strong. I thought about that too, because I kind of saw both sides. Like I get what Brynn was saying, but then it was like, is she talking about being clever or is she talking about being more kind of

passive aggressive and you know. She's talking about being clever I think. Well that's kind of aggressive. But that's kind of the same thing. It can be the same thing. I'm a direct person. I appreciated her reckness. I appreciate a directness. I don't cut through the fat and maybe her language,

you know, could be off putting the sum, but like I don't need a coded message as to why I'm mad at you or someone's mad at me. Just cut through the fat and be direct. So you disagree with Brenton there. I'm thinking I'm more- Versus nice shoes. I'm team Uba here.

Cause Uba's not like, Uba's not trying to be dramatic. Like she's just like, this is how I feel and this is what I'm team Uba here. Because Uba's not trying to be dramatic. She's just like, this is how I feel and this is what I'm gonna, I want you to shut up, so I'm gonna tell you to shut up. And we have seen Brynn twist words. Even in this episode, Brynn admits to sometimes, what was the- I like to stir the pot. What did Erin say?

Were you twisted or are you the twister? And she's like sometimes both. Brynn admits that she enjoys the drama, she plays into the drama, she starts the drama, she keeps the drama going, and Uba doesn't. She's just more like, I don't know, I don't have time for this bullshit. Give me the facts, I love how she calls them pigeons.

Pigeons with no address. You just know Uba's right. Yeah, I think Uba's right. I am Team Uba in this situation. And Bryn's more like, maybe you're right. Or, you know. I will say you know the conversation is done when you get to the point where it's like,

nip, nip, nip, nip, nip, nip. Like people are just making noises and I'm like, okay, wrap the conversation around. I really hated that. I hated it too. I was like, can we just, like, someone just say stop. Sorry, I'm sorry. Talk about coming up with something clever.

Like, you're literally just making sounds so that she'll stop talking. And they were both doing it back. I was like, oh my God. You know you lost when you start doing that. Exactly, you have nothing to say but make sounds. Yeah. And mock them.

Yeah, she's sitting here being like, Ooba should come up with something clever, and then she's literally just like yelling. Then you have Psy out of nowhere, pineapple. Okay, I'll be done. I'm done. Safe word. Safe word.

Well, it worked. And Psy was not my favorite last season because she was so reactive over nothing. But I will say it, I do feel like Sy is working on herself and is reacting to things where she needs to defend herself and is dropping things. But she's still allowed to have feelings about it. And I would say, I would be annoyed too if I just walked into a house and it's like, somebody's telling me that I told them that they can't ride with me. Now somebody's telling me that I said this and I'm just like, where's the proof?

And she's pulling out the text messages being like, where did I say that? She was also forced to hug Brynn, which I was like, that's a little uncomfy. Like what are we, 10 years old? Like, okay, now you're gonna hug me, that's fine. And she clearly isn't over it, she's still mad. Exactly, because she doesn't feel like

her feelings are being heard. Do you feel like the rest of the women hate Rebecca? Because I feel like they... No, I think Rebecca's just the goofy one. You think? I think they're laughing at her, not with her. They are. Well, okay, what did she, like this episode, it was the whole virginity thing.

Well, yeah, they're quite, do you think it's... And then the diva clap squeeze it out. Oh my God. But do you think her parenting, her parents' parenting style is progressive or crazy? Progressive, is it right or wrong? I think that's subjective, but progressive, right? Well, yeah, I guess, but certainly progressive,

I guess maybe. But progressive or crazy? I mean, it worked for Rebecca. And like, at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. She's not saying do this with your kids, or do that with. But I'm saying, what do you?

I'm not a parent, so I guess I'm not the right perspective. The idea of negotiating with your kid at 16 seems. Why are we negotiating? Yeah, that's a good point. But I think they're gonna do what they wanna do regardless. So I think for you to be like, hey, let me give you, That's a good point. Let's work, you know, let me give you an option.

Let's work something here because- Because you know they're gonna do it. They're gonna do it. They're gonna go behind your back and they're gonna lie about it, or they're gonna be upfront and honest and you give them another thing to work towards and like, okay. Yeah, but I, you know,

we should probably have this conversation in private, but with River, I just feel like, you're right about all those things. And I don't know, I hope as parents, we, you know, teach her all the morals and values that we want her to have, but you're right. She's gonna get to a certain age and she's gonna start making decisions for herself.

And that might happen before she's legally an adult. And we might not be able to a certain degree to like, we're gonna wanna give our daughter independence and what she does with that independence, who knows, right? But I would still rather sit river down and have the type of relationship with her where we just say, like, listen, this is what we hope you do we

don't know what you're gonna do we acknowledge as parents that you know it's up to you I want to I want us to say to River you're gonna make your choice and we're not gonna know as parents but if you do make this choice here are the consequences here's what might happen yeah and while we might be disappointed be honest with us because if we need to get you on you know protection or make sure you're doing things safely, I'd rather have our daughter feel safe enough to come with that information,

rather than feel like, all right, well, we can't control you, so if you promise not to do drugs, we'll get you on birth control. It's like, to that point, you can't guarantee she's not doing drugs, and just the idea, I don't wanna set the standard with our kids that we're gonna negotiate with them. You know what I'm saying?

I know we can't control that they listen to us, but I would rather try to have an open and honest communication with our kids, rather than feel like we are. When you negotiate with someone, you're suggesting that there's a power, there are an equal power dynamic. Entitlement.

Until River's 18 or any of our kids are 18, we're still the parents, you know? I'm sure Rebecca's parents said the conversation the way that you guys are wording it, but then Rebecca was just like, well, it was actually a trade off. Maybe, maybe, or maybe not, or maybe she- Maybe it was.

Maybe it was exactly how it was. But also a diva cup doesn't just squeeze out when you sneeze, right? What's a diva cup? I've never used one. Alternative to like a tampon. I shouldn't be speaking. It's a cup that you stick up there.

It's a silicone cup that you stick up there. It's a silicone cup that you can bend and it's malleable and it's safer than all the chemicals that are in tampons. And you basically. Reusable. It's like a woman's condom almost. It collects the blood inside and then you take it out. And then you pull it out and you pour it, the blood into the toilet and you can put it back in

or whatever, but it's just for your period. Oh, for your period, oh, yeah. But it doesn't just pop out when you sneeze, right? I believe that that happened if she said it happened. Sounds like a fucking nightmare. I've never used it, but I guess maybe she didn't like go all the way up, who knows what her situation was. She could have also had a couple kids and things changed.

Have you ever farted when you sneezed? But I'm not, oh. Different hole, but same premise. Things comeed when you sneezed? Things change. But I'm not, oh. No, just not. Different hole, but same premise. Things come out. I believe it. When you apply pressure to your body. Listen, I had a baby and now every time I sneeze, I pee in my pants. So, I believe it.

Also, I do know some people wash their Diva Cup in the dishwashers. I've heard of this and I'm like, to me that doesn't sound sanitary. No, they do, for sure. Listen, you got clean is clean. The dishwasher? Well, clean is clean. Clean is for sure. Listen, you got clean is clean. The dishwasher? I don't know.

What clean is clean? Clean is clean. Dirty is dirty and clean is clean. But there are dishes in there? Along with the turkey meatballs you had the night before, I guess, I don't know. That is crazy, but I felt like at that table when she's talking about her life and the bed

and the virginity. You thought they were laughing at her? I felt they were like, yeah, they were laughing at her. I kind of feel like they're, sacrificial lamb kind of situation. That's what I thought. I was like, burning the helicopter. I thought they were laughing at her? I felt they were, yeah, they were laughing at her. I kind of feel like they're sacrificial lamb kind of situation. I was like, Brynn in the helicopter. I thought she was down with the bit. Let's call out your Scientology, knowing it's an uncomfortable, probably delicate conversation.

And then it felt like she wanted her to do that again at the table. She's like, okay, now your turn, like, why don't we? And she's like, okay, I'm from San Diego. I lived in Florida. Brynn's like. First she goes, what do you want to know? And then realizes what she asked and goes,

well, okay, so I was born. She was deflecting. So I think she submitted that information to be like, let's not go there. Let's not ask Brynn what she wants to know about me. Well, also, do they all really not like her? Or is this classic housewife hazing for the newbie? I don't think it's hazing.

She was giving that information. So it's kind of like Monica, when Monica was like, oh, by the way, guys, I cheated on my husband with. Yeah, but things are edited. For all we know, this was a very brief part of the whole conversation. They could have edited it, or sounded the way it did.

Like she came out with it, yeah. It's like, and I guess I'm wondering if Bravo in general and the Housewives, it seems like when you're new to the show, you have to prove yourself and earn your respect amongst other Housewives or to the show, you have to, like, prove yourself and earn your, like, respect amongst other housewives or even the show or its audience. That's what it almost feels like with Rebecca. I think she's trying to be like a Mary Cosby

where she, like, is known for saying crazy, like, goofy things. That's what I think it is. I don't think it's hazing as much as it's, like, she's the new person coming in and, like, trying to figure out where she fits, but, like, there are characters that are ready to pick it apart. You've got like the friends and the people that will ask these questions, but I don't think it's like a collective. And also I will say the women of New York, they're caddy in like a very funny way. They're

they're I what is it? ITMs? Compessionals. Like I'm like the way that they talk about each other and everything where I'm like with friends like these who needs enemies. So I'm kind of like even just the way that they talk about each other, it kind of comes off where I'd be like, for me, that would hurt my feelings. I couldn't hang in a group of women like this, but they all kind of hold their own. You know what I'm saying? Like where I'm like, they all are catty. They all kind of have their own little side comments, but like, I don't think they're trying to take one person down, like Orange County, for example. Who's your favorite housewife of the franchise?

New York? No, it's the general. Denise Richards. She's the one that got me into the Housewives. Do you have a favorite? It's too hard, you'd have to go by. I have a lot of favorites too by the way. Rihanna said Jenna Lines is her favorite housewife.

Jenna Lines would be one of my favorite housewives, yeah. And this is not a slight to Jenna Lines because she's clearly successful, her class is obvious, she seems like, I've said before, Jenna Lyons seems like what housewives was always meant to be. We're someone who has this independent success outside of the show, they're not most famous

for being a housewife. That being said, what makes her, this is a genuine question, what makes her such a great housewife? Because she's not very dramatic, she seems to always be almost a calming influence. She's not exactly the most entertaining TV. She's cool. I definitely wanna be friends with Jenna Lyons, for sure.

Of all the people, she would be on my top five list of housewives I wish I to be friends with Jenna Lyons, for sure. Like of all the people, like she would be on my top five list of like housewives I wish I'd be friends with. But in terms of housewives I like watching on my TV screen, I wouldn't rank her in my top five. I have two takes and then Sierra, you can like say what you think about Jenna. But I think one of it is New York has a big like queer lesbian audience.

So I think throwing Jenna into that was like, this is your demographic. And they embraced her right away. And then she became like Jenna Lyons on top of already being Jenna Lyons. Gotcha. And then two, I think it's because like she doesn't care about the other women. She doesn't care what she says. So she's over here calling them cackling hags. Like she's like saying you look like a Christmas tree when you have lingerie on. So she's saying like you can't

wear different brands. So she's kind of just saying like crazy things and not caring about what they think about her because she knows that she's Jenna Lyons She was iconic before real housewives. She is iconic being on Real Housewives I guess it just depends on how you answer the question of your favorite housewife exactly because I look for I would want to be Jenna Lyons if I were a housewife Unproblematic, but I would wanna watch. Mary. Mary, yes. Mary Crosby. Or Denise Richards.

Yeah. Or, I mean even Lisa, like, you know, hell of a television person. Yeah. You know, she's, every episode, you have a strong opinion about Lisa Barlow. And Rena. And with Jenna, it's always like,

oh, it's Jenna Lyons, it's good to see her. You know, like her outfit. Well, I think Jenna knows her clout, and that's why she was able to like do that contract of like, you, it's Jenna Lyon. It's good to see her, you know, like her outfit. You know? I think Jenna knows her clout, and that's why she was able to do that contract of like, you can't touch my family. Oh, for sure. Again. I do love Lisa Barlow at the Housewives.

Me too, I love her too. Yeah, she's great. She's a housewife, sure. Like I said, she's one of the nicest Housewives I've met in person. I wouldn't want to be Lisa's friend. In the show. From what I know of the TV character,

you know what I'm saying? Jenna Lyon seems like cool, sophisticated, classy, roaming in very elite circles, and Lisa comes across as someone who wants to be Jenna Lyons. No, I don't know about that. I feel like Lisa just plays dirty, I feel like, and I don't wanna be friends with anyone

who goes fucking low and plays dirty, and it feels like Jenna Lyons is just smarter, I think, with her. She doesn't really play dirty as much. Yeah, she's just not as like, oh, let me bring up your daughter and let me, we're like, great TV. I do see what you're saying too, Nick,

where it's like, I mean, Lisa outside of the show wasn't really known as Lisa Barlow until she became a housewife. Whereas Jenna was Jenna before Housewife. But if I were casting for a housewife show, I probably would pick Lisa over Jenna. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What's about Golden? Golden. Golden Bachelor? Okay, well. Question, what did you think when we saw the cold open? It was so fast, I was so confused. I'm over the cold open. Her pulling Mark, it was, I don't know.

And then done, I was like, wait, hold on. No crying yet, no one sound bite. It was weird. It felt like, honestly, they just edited it. Didn't cut that part out. It felt like a mis-edit. And I also felt like the bowling group date was so boring. It was like, we couldn't do anything.

We couldn't have any musical act or fireworks or nothing. It was just a true bowling game with an empty bowling alley. Unfortunately, I think we're getting to the part of the season where it's golden, it's the golden franchise. I don't think anyone's really that interested in the drama. And they tried to give us a little drama with Guy

talking about Choc, but that's the most that they were gonna do and it wasn't that dramatic. And I think we're kind of in this weird spot. We all know it's Chalk. You know, they're clearly in love and rightfully so. Chalk obviously is just like, you know, this is my girl. And being like, I'm the luckiest guy. It's like, all right, you know you win.

Yeah. Now they're still trying to go through their bachelor playbook and they're very kind of formulaic episodes and I think they're kind of stuck in kind of no man's land right before Hometown. The plateau. To try to like, Joan's gotta have a one-on-one,

she sent her two one-on-ones home this episode. Isn't that crazy? Is that normal? Not normal. I think it might be the first time that's happened on A Week Before Hometown. Even one of them said, Mark has it, he's gonna get the rose.

Nope, didn't get the rose. I thought it was interesting he didn't get the rose, though. Honestly, for me, the cold open spoiled it. Kinda. But she said when she met with Trista again, like why? Didn't get the rose. I thought it was interesting he didn't get the rose though. Honestly for me the cold open spoiled it. Kinda. But she said in the beginning when she met with Trista again, like why?

They love bringing Trista back. Oh my God. Gary, Trista like. I feel like she also was on, wasn't Trista also on, who was our last backstreet? Gen season, right? Yeah, Australian. I think she's kinda bringing her.

She said like, I'm not giving anyone roses until rose ceremony. Like that was a valid She said like, I'm not giving anyone roses until the rose ceremony. Like that was a valid, just being like, I don't know. That's a producer choice to be honest. You don't feel like that was a Joan choice? No, no. I think knowing how those weeks work, they had decided they're not gonna give anyone roses

to the end of the rose ceremony. And then they told Joan that, and then she delivered that to, I could be wrong, but. I mean, I'm glad she sent Mark home the way she did. It was tasteful, it was classy, it was like, I'm not gonna make you, you know, like it was heartbreaking that of course it was right after he was like,

I felt like I just got permission from my wife to like do this and then. But it makes sense and also tells you that Joan really might find love here because I think she is further along in her journey and I think she is, I think clearly having feelings for Chalk. However beautiful this moment was for Mark, it sounded like he's almost like finally opened and realized it's okay to start opening up his heart to the

possibility of falling in love with someone and Joan's like I'm in love. I'm already in love with someone, you know, And so it felt probably a little weird. And then she does have the pressure of knowing that if she takes Mark to hometowns, Joey's there, Kelsey's there. It's not the same type of hometown as with everyone else. It makes it more of a big deal. And maybe she like doesn't wanna have,

you know, it becomes less of Joan's journey, honestly. Yeah, and more. And more like, you know, the Joey and Kelsey and Mark show. Empire of it all, yeah. So that kinda makes sense that way. And I think Mark's still very got his, in case we wanna make him the Bachelor, he got his moment. Oh, true.

I honestly don't think they will. I think he's too young. He's too young. Yeah, I agree. He's like 58. Right, isn't the minimum age 60? When they were discussing the idea of Golden Bachelor, and I was like, my mom, my mom. This was years ago. This was before the pandemic. They were like, right, like isn't the minimum age 60? When they were like discussing the idea of Golden Bachelor and I was like, my mom, my mom. This was like before the pandemic.

They were like, she is way too young, we want like, I mean, and they said it in their little senior citizens. Like. I think when they originally thought of this concept of the show, they were thinking like 80s, 80s, like senior home, assistant living. I do feel like this season is younger than last season. Maybe, yeah, but I think they're still working

within the 60s, early 70s. Same bracket. But I just feel like if they go with Mark, then they'll be casting 40-year-old women. A lot of 50-year-olds. Sure, 50s, 40s, I feel like it'll just be, it's just kind of falling away from what they intended the show to be.

I guess it depends on how they do it, you know? Because I thought it would be kind of cool to get a different decade, you know? We've seen the 60s, early 70s. What would a bachelor season of primarily 50-year-olds look like? Slightly different. Real housewives of... I mean... I have an idea, though.

Do that, but cast a couple 20-year-olds in the mix. So it's like if they want wanna be a cougar, if they wanna be the older man, they can do it. And we start the drama, cause we're like, I love you, and then they're like, what do you know about love? I love it, but to Nellie's point, they have to make a decision,

because we don't wanna lose the nostalgia and the healthiness and just the emotions of the golden franchise and those stories and not having the drama. So you can't do both. You can't bring in your ringers and even your younger 40-somethings to cause drama and still have these really emotional moments. Like you can't, we're not gonna appreciate Charles

the way we got to appreciate Charles if we're hyper gonna appreciate Charles the way we got to appreciate Charles. If we're hyper fixated on like, imagine if Brittany from Salt Lake City was casted on Mark's season of The Bachelor. Storylines. Sure, hell of a television show. But we don't have a Charles. It's a very different show.

Yeah. You know, and I think they have to decide which show they want. I think that's the challenge with Mark. I didn't catch that maybe, I mean, this is dumb that I didn't catch it, that he might be the next Golden Bachelor, because she literally is like, this is your journey.

Like I had the epiphany that like, you didn't see me in your journey. Without question, they are considering Mark. They have to. And they are doing, this scene was all about- A setup. It was a setup. This is the flashback.

They've done plenty of setups, and those people didn't end up becoming leads. They're always giving themselves options. So then who are our potentials? It's Mark, Charles L. Charles for sure, fan favorite. And whoever else might get cut. That's a thing.

Who else even is it? Is it Jordan? Unless if Chalk gets sent home. I just don't see Jordan. I don't see Jordan either. He's quiet. He's too quiet. I was so confused about the rose ceremony this go around

because I really don't feel like I saw a lot of the two guys that got to stay and the two guys that she sent home. I feel like we've been following them this entire time. And I was like, Jordan? I call him? I've always seen the Jordan though. I've seen the Jordan of it all.

You know who could be a good next golden bachelor is Jonathan. Oh yeah, Jonathan would be a good one. Jonathan. Really? I think so. Jordan of it. You know who could be a good next golden bachelor is Jonathan. Oh yeah, Jonathan would be a good one. Jonathan. Really? I think so, he's sweet, he has like the spiritual side of the story of knowing, seeing signs from the universe, he has the family.

I don't know if they want their, and I say this as a tattooed man, I don't know if they want their second golden bachelor to be heavily tattooed. I feel like this is the first person we've seen with tattoos on any of this. I mean, even on the, I mean, you know, now tattoos are way more common and prevalent.

And so you've seen a lot more, you know, I'm just talking regular bachelor franchise, but like they would never have casted a bachelor with tattoos back in the day. No. Right, no. It is still like ABC, you know, type of thing. But like Jonathan had tattoos, so like normal franchise, they're changing.

Sure, but there's a difference between your lead and being one of 25. That is valid, yeah. Did Jen not have a tattoo? No, I think that we need to teach Justin how to play Never Have I Ever. I know how to play, I think they didn't understand how they were playing it.

I think they played it the right way. So they played it, and Leia is convinced that Mark has never woken up in the middle of the night to feed a baby. But he said. Only because that's what he said. But he put his finger down. He put his finger down too.

During never have I ever seen the Northern lights. He had his finger down from the previous round. But you're not saying that you're not voting yourself out. So like he did something that he. No, no. Okay. So the way it works is Joan says never have I ever seen the Northern lights. Yes.

He put his finger down because he's seen the Northern lights. So he already had a finger down from that. And then he says, never have I ever woken up in the middle of the night to feed a baby. And you said he put his finger down, right? No, no, he didn't put his finger down. Oh, then what are we arguing?

What are you arguing? I don't know. Justin wasn't sure of sometimes when you say the never have I ever, if you definitely haven't. No, I knew it. Leo was trying to say that he never woke up in the middle of the night.

That is true. And I said, there's no way. What is she saying right now? You're saying the same thing. You're saying the same thing in different fonts. Mark is still saying. No, but I think he has woken up in the middle of the night to feed the baby.

No, but he's literally saying he didn't. But he's saying on TV that he hasn't. That's what I'm saying, so I think he didn't understand what he was doing. No, I think you don't understand. What do you think is more likely, that he didn't understand the rules of a simple game or that a man 25 years ago didn't wake up

to feed his young baby. I'm saying he did wake up though. I know that's what you're saying. But you guys are saying that he put his hand down because he didn't wake up. No. I've moved on from like him playing the game and I'm now discussing whether we think Mark actually did

or didn't wake up. He did wake up. No, he didn't. I don't think he did. So that's what I'm saying, I'm on the other side. up. He did wake up. No, he didn't. I don't think he did. So that's what I'm saying, I'm on the other side. I think he did wake up. I know. Can we phone him?

Doom. Disaster. But I think 25, I think 27 years ago was pretty commonplace for the dad. Where's Kelsey A? A weird thing to say though, in my opinion, like you have a million never have I ever things that you could say.

I think he was nervous and he was like, I know you're a mother, you have children, you definitely were, I mean, I don't know if he was. But then he voted himself off. I don't think he was being that self-confident, yeah, it was like, hey, that's good. I think he recognized kind of how- Like he could have been like,

never have I ever carried a baby. It's like equally the same thing. Never have I ever birthed a baby. Sure. Would have been a better one. Would have been a better one, I agree. They also didn't have all of the cute little trinkets they have now to like perfectly heat up the bottle and all of these things that make it easier

to like for a man to do it. What is the bjorn? The baby bjorn? That's how you carry your, like the carry. Didn't you know this was? I thought we talked about that. Or like a bouncer seat. You like hold them in the baby bjorn.

Yeah, but that's not how you warm up a bottle. Oh, I was saying just a different trinket. He also didn't say he didn't get up to like soothe his baby. He just said he didn't feed his baby and maybe his wife breastfed. And you know, if your wife's breastfeeding, you're just, there's kind of- Nothing for you to do.

Question though, because this- You're there like what? Be a cheerleader? This is a debate that I'm seeing is that, is that people are saying, should the man wake up, if the woman is breastfeeding, right? Should the man have to wake up? And some people say yes, and some people say no.

Yes, should. Yeah, I feel like if you're pumping and you have milk that where it makes it easy for either person to feed them. I would breastfeed and Nick would burper and he would also take the milk that I pumped and put in the fridge. Yeah, I did, cause I'm awesome. But I feel like there's a lot of guys from like 25 years ago

where it was pretty commonplace. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. I don't think we need to overreact. I don't think so either. If Mark's truth is actually in fact true. No, agreed. I think it's weird that he, I just think it was a weird thing to bring up.

I'm just speaking like now modern day. Yeah, for modern day. There are a lot, there's debate. But 20 some years ago, I don't think it's that crazy for Mark to have never actually woken up to do that. And I don't think that's- I mean, your dad didn't.

I remember your mom saying, I wish I would have woken him up like you woken him up. I just don't think back in the day it was- I don't wake Danny up, that's crazy. I just, because I'm breastfeeding, so I'm just like, whatever, I'll just change the diaper and go back to sleep. Nick would say this, but did Danny say it

where it's like, we're pregnant, we gave birth? No, he doesn't do that. Okay, well, so I was saying, if we're saying we, then we are feeding the baby in the middle of the night. I also didn't say we, by the way. I was like, I am having this baby. Yeah, so do I just say we? My ass was up.

Yeah, it was up. You've gotta pull your part too. I'm not the only one. I was an expert. You were, you were great. An expert swaddler. He was an expert swaddler. He really took pride in expert swaddler. He was an expert swaddler. He really took pride in his swaddling.

Can Danny swaddle? We have the Velcro things. Neither of us can swaddle. I gave Leia a swaddle though. It looks like a bear. Yeah, it's really cute. So when you put the baby in it, it looks like a bear.

But she clearly doesn't use it. No, I do, I sent him a picture. She said he was big and I was like, oh no, this is like three to six months. I was like, is that even big enough? All right, well I think it is time to get to the man of the hour, Mr. Charles himself. Be prepared to smile.

Good morning, Charles. Good morning, everybody. How are you? Where are you calling from? Doing great. I'm calling from Suzhou in China. Wow, very cool. Are you on- Far away.

Far away. Are you on vacation there? Are you visiting family, both? Yes, I'm on vacation visiting families and friends over here. And it's a gorgeous place. Wonderful, wonderful. I apologize, I didn't know this.

Is that where you're from, where you're visiting? Or are you just visiting family that is located where you're at? Yeah, this is my original family. You know, I was born here. Wonderful, wonderful. Well, Charles, we've enjoyed watching you on this season so much. You've been an absolute joy.

Are you aware of how beloved that you are in Bachelor Nation? Maybe not another degree as you experience. You know, I'm away from the States, as you know. I do watch most of the episodes. Okay, wonderful. What has it been like for you, this whole experience? Wow, such a unique, unique experience. And when I started applying the program,

I even didn't expect I would be accepted. But as the application process started, and I loved the producers, the interviewers, and I went through, and at the end, they called me, Charles, you know, you're in the program. So, such a gorgeous experience. Wonderful. Was it your daughter who encouraged you to sign up or was it someone else? Or did you, were you already a fan? You're correct.

Actually originally started by my daughter, you know, who initiated. And she said daddy, here's the program. So on and so forth. And I said, well, let me give it a shot. You know, I don't know if I'll be in the program, but you know, surprise and surprise. That's great. Charles, I think what people loved, I mean, they loved a lot of things about you,

but what we really, I think, appreciated the most was just, you know, not only just you, but all your friends, just the wisdom that you shared, throughout your experience, in terms of just life and things like that. We just love to know a little bit about you. Obviously, you said you were you were born in China. When did you make it over to the States?

And yeah, I'm curious when did that happen? I guess, you know, I went to the States before you were born. Almost, you know, roughly about 36 years ago, you know, when I was about what 26, 28. Okay. I went to the States as a graduate student. Very cool. And then is that where you found your wife?

Well, no, I found my wife in China. Oh, wonderful. We got married in China. Yeah. Oh, wonderful. Wonderful. What did you do for work? Oh, I was in pharmaceutical research business.

Oh really? Wow. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, we do a lot of research and try to find new medications to help the people. That's what I did. Well, that's wonderful. Did you enjoy that work? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a lot of fun. Of course, it's a lot of work, you know. But when you like what you do, you'll be fine. What did this experience teach you, Charles, about yourself? You have to have a warm heart to love people, to care about people, and when you do that, you'll be respected, and people in return, you'll love you. This is basically my kind of philosophy.

Be yourself, be nice to other people and the rest will take care of itself. Now, you were so open about the passing of your wife and obviously the challenges that you faced. A lot of your peers and friends, even Joan talked about losing a loved one. What's something that you can share that has helped you with this healing process

that for anyone listening, if they have experienced the loss of a loved one, maybe a parent, a partner, God be it, a child, what is some advice that you could offer to help those people who are grieving feel a little bit better and heal a little bit faster? Yes, you know, it came so quick, you know,

when I lost my wife and probably through the program, you heard some of my, you know, experience or details. It was very hard and sometimes extremely hard and this what happened almost six years ago and it was not easy but my daughters you know noticed and my friends realized you know Charles you cannot go on like this you know they they want to see myself change you know from the suffering rather than in the suffering itself. So this program came in and on the show, Joan is a charming, lovely, intelligent lady. Everybody likes her.

And then also we have a lot of nice people in the program. And then we talked to each other, we cared about each other, and we began to open up ourselves. And we realized it's okay to be in a sad mood, it's okay to miss the loved one you lost. But we've got to do something. We have to open up ourselves and reach out to other people who can also help you. So this is what I went through,

and on the date groups, one-on-one interviews, even in the morning talks, we talk while we walk. So we began to really, really, probably you can see, I gradually changed myself. I feel better and better with more engagement with all the members in the mansion or around the mansion, to be exact. It seems like you made a lot of friends.

Who are you still in contact with today? But because I'm away, there are some technical difficulties. I do see some eye messages from different friends in this group. Like the other day when I was having an interview, Mark surprised me on the video. Yeah. That I was very, very delightful.

And like a guy or other people sent me messages in the Instagram and some I-message. Yeah, to a fairly limited in terms of information. Once I returned back to the States, definitely the volume would dramatically increase. We noticed, Charles, that you were teaching some of your friends some type of martial arts on the show. Do you know martial arts very well?

Yeah, this is a little bit an experience I had with myself. And because we were talking that they, you know, uh, due to the unique program, you know, we have to be careful ourselves. So some idea pop up as a child, can you, you know, teach us something as a world? Definitely. I, uh, I share my experience on the basic, uh, uh, uh, concepts to how to protect yourself. So we did it and, um and seems like they love it. But I don't wanna be liable

if they are in trouble one day. All right, so this is all fun, but if they really want to protect themselves, they need to seek out a professional. So you didn't have like a black belt or anything? Not yet. Not yet, okay. Never too late.

Never too late, yeah, there you go. I don't think you guys filmed too long late, yeah. There you go. Right. I don't think you guys filmed too long ago, but, and I know you didn't end up with Joan, but has this experience opened up the possibility that you might, you know, look for love and start dating again? Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I would say, you know, several phases, if I could say, you, phase one I was in deep sorrow and phase two kind of don't know what to do. This I call phase three. I'm involved with a lot of people there in the mansion and around the mansion and open up myself.

Oh yes, yes. I've changed a lot. Definitely. I think it's time for me, you know, look into that direction. That's wonderful. I can't help but wonder, Charles, have you thought about what your lovely wife would think about you doing this show? You know, my wife is the only one I dated in the past, and she And she's the only one I loved. And we both care each other. I want her to be happy and she wants me to be happy. So if she were, you know, alive or seeing what I'm doing, she will say, you know, Charles move on, you know, that you've got to move on. Like a journey. for some reason she got off the train first. Don't be sad all the time. Go on with your new life, you know. I'll be happy to see a new happy Charles again. That's lovely. Charles, I'm

a new dad. I have a young eight-month-old daughter. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you. Obviously, you have a lovely daughter. What advice can you offer me in terms of fatherhood or anything like that, or any of our listeners? What are some of your favorite moments of being a dad and any advice you could offer, I'd really appreciate. Oh, sure. As you know, you sound very, very intelligent and smart.

My advice, you'll be amazed. When they are very young, they actually, they are very, very intelligent and smart. My advice, you'll be amazed. When they are very young, they actually, they are very, very smart. They pick up things very quickly. My philosophy to teach my kids, always be nice to other people. That's the very first thing. Second, you've got to start reading as early as you can

and as much as you can. The third is just follow the flow and should be fine. When they experience a difficult time, just tell them calm down. Things will be better and rather frustrated. And when they are so happy, tell them keep going and you have more room to improve. Wonderful. Is your daughter a fan of the Bachelor franchise?

Has she been a fan for a while? Yes, I think Sophia has watched this program for a while. So she knows much more than I do. Wonderful. And she, how old is your daughter? I'm 27. 27, is she in a relationship or is she possibly, could she end up on the show by chance?

That's, you know, she sometimes keeps secrets from me. Okay. Well, you know, the 27 year olds will do that sometimes. Charles, I feel like there's a big question I haven't asked yet that a lot of people would want me to ask. Would you consider being the Golden Bachelor if you were asked to do that? Ooh, this is a good question and also a tough question. However, if the opportunity knocks on my door, I will consider.

Okay, all right. And like a strong consider or like a one out of ten, how strongly would you consider it? Ten being you're on the front door, ready to open up the limo door and greet the ladies. To one, I'd consider it but long shot. Well, sounds like you're testing my math IQ. But to answer your question, how about around seven? Seven. Okay. Strong. All right. We need to find this door. Go knock. Well, anything I can do, Charles, to encourage you to sit, you know, get that up to a 10, let me know. But I think- Okay, I'll let you know. I think we'd all really enjoy a season of Charles as the Golden Bachelor.

Absolutely. Sierra, Justin, do you have any questions for her? I mean, everything I keep thinking about is your optimism, which I think a lot of people were inspired by the season, and something about your ability to joke when it's just a darker period or just a period where it's more tough. And I was wondering, where did you get that kind of optimism

of the joking style? It's kind of built up through the years, through the years or through your life, or sometimes related to, you know, your personality, I would say. And I love the readings and I caught a lot of, you know, jokes here and there. And sometimes I make up some myself. So it's just gradually, gradually just build up and flow, you know, pretty smoothly in a sense. If I may say, yeah. Yeah.

Collecting. Can you give us a joke now? Yes, I want to, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate. We say a lot of inappropriate things, Charles. It's I promise you it will be okay for us. If it's not, you know, you edit it. Okay. It's okay.

Probably, you know, on the program, the last night, you know, I did not receive the rose. Did you see that part? We saw that. On the TV. Yes. And when I approached Joan, you know, we say goodbye and Joan said a lot of nice things about me. And I said quite a few nice things about her. I tried to joke with her, but I hesitate. The Joker would have been like this. I would say,

John, I wish you all the best. And there are still quite a few you know, intelligent men in this room who received the rose. But John, if things did not work out the way as you wish, Charles is still ready. We'll keep in touch. I'm here for it. Messy. Yeah, messy Charles, yeah.

Charles, a random question, but I'm curious. What are some of your favorite movies or TV shows that you enjoy watching or that you've watched throughout the years? Yeah. Currently, you know, I'm not a big fan for TV. Those who are in this field don't hate me, whatever.

But currently I watch some football from time to time, NBA games. But the most I watched is during the finals, both NBA and NFL. These are the kind of programs I stick to. And also there are some funny, interesting parts or programs on YouTube. Whenever I catch them or randomly catch up, I'll take a look.

Okay. What was your favorite NFL team that you've root for? Do you have one? I used to be a 49ers. Okay. But I'm from Philadelphia and I should say Eagles should be okay too. That's okay. Yeah.

You can, you can root for both Charles. That's fine. You read a lot. You said, do you have any book recommendations for us? Uh, not at, not at this moment. Okay. You can root for both, Charles, that's fine. You read a lot, you said. Do you have any book recommendations for us? Not at this moment. I read all kinds of history books, poems, poetry, anything, but not on top of my head.

As you know, I'm traveling, and my mind is not set in that direction at this moment. Understood. I do have another question. So Charles, there was a running joke throughout the season that you were the healthiest out of all the men. Do you think that was true or were you guys hyping up that idea that you were the healthiest?

Because I know you took the top bunk and then you bought the medicine. I think probably that's true in a sense. Did you watch the kickball game? We did. And you kicked the ball? Yeah. You know, those guys, they look very healthy and strong, but at the end of the game. And when I look around it, you know, I am with those guys, but unfortunately I feel, you know, some, quite a few, a few of them got hurt, you know, some hurt badly

and nothing happened to me. And even the next morning I was still able to run fast. So there you go. Good recovery. Are you, are you stretching or are you hydrating? What's the trick? Um, I could do the gym four times a week.

And I don't stick to one program or two programs. Anything I grab, just exercise. So that really help me, yeah. That's great. Charles, you've been such a delight. We'd love to keep talking with you, but we know that you are on vacation and enjoying family. So we're gonna let you go.

Thank you so much for taking the time and carving it out on your vacation. We really appreciate, very generous of you. We wish you nothing but the best, and if they ask you to be the Bachelor, Charles, you should say yes. Okay, thank you so much. You know, it's too early for you guys,

so I enjoyed my talking to you, and you guys have a wonderful time too. Thank you, Charles, take care. Thank you, bye. Bye-bye. Well, thank you guys for listening. Hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Be sure, Charles. Take care. Thank you. Bye. Bye bye. Well, thank you guys for listening. Hope you guys enjoyed this episode.

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