The Viall Files - E831 - DWTS w/ Chandler Kinney, Love Is Blind w/ Nina Parker, RHOSLC, RHOC, and the new Trailer for RHOBH

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  The household is full today, as Nina Parker from E! joins us to talk Love is Blind and Chandler Kinney spills the tea regarding her time on Dancing With the Stars! We may be pretty, but none of us are liars! Meanwhile, we recap RHOSLC’s Lisa Barlow vs UpandAdam, RHOC’s Shannon Beador vs Tamra Judge, as well as the new Menendez Brothers petition. “You know who’s real messy, Lisa Barlow.” OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 ALSO… Buy our exclusive “The Podcast” merch: https://viallfiles.myshopify.com  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Wonderful Pistachios - Thank you Wonderful Pistachios for sponsoring this segment of The Viall Files! Visit https://www.WonderfulPistachios.com to learn more Laundry Sauce - Head to https://www.LaundrySauce.com/VIALL and use promo code VIALL at checkout for 15% off! Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @chandlerlkinney @theninaparker @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @the_mare_bare @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:00 - Household Headlines 25:12 - Vibes Or Knowledge 26:52 - RHOSLC 46:40 - LIB Recap With Nina Parker 01:32:10 - RHOC 01:42:23 - Chandler Kinney Interview 02:33:19 - Outro  

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. It's Halloween, we're dressed as doctors. Hey everybody. Now he has their real scrubs on. I have on pre-baby scrubs and they are incredibly tight. They would not be allowed in the operating room. What do you mean? Oh my God, no, these are way too tight. Have you ever-

Do you not remember this? I do remember, yeah. I 100%- That was rhetorical. Oh, no. Have you ever been shamed? No, 100% I have. I, when I was in college

and I was doing my clinical rotations, we had to wear purple scrubs so that everyone knew that we were students, whatever. Trends? Yeah. I had like, I don't know, I'm a woman, my weight had fluctuated. I bought scrubs and maybe I was feeling a little skinny and then maybe had maybe a little bit too big of a meal. Maybe I was a little bloated.

I don't know, but they were tighter than normal. Anyways, only had one pair of scrubs, had to wear them. And at the end of the day, we would like meet up with our professors and they'd be like, okay, this is like the feedback we got from the doctors and in front of everyone else. My teacher was like, Natalie, your scrubs are too tight.

I was like, what? And she was like, everyone has come up to me and had a problem with it. And I was like, what do I she was like, everyone has come up to me and had a problem with it. And I was like, what do I do? I only have one pair of scrubs. Like, are y'all gonna pay for a bigger pair? She was like, no, but you need to figure it out because these are inappropriate.

Oh, I was like, oh, okay. It's wild. Literally my first day in the operating room. I was like, this is perfect, thank you very much. What kind of operating room was it? Well, you can't distract the doctors with a great ass. It was, I don't remember the surgery. I think it was like ENT or something.

You know it was a jealous feedback. Oh, for sure. It wasn't from the people like actually checking you out. It was from the people not wanting you to be checked out. I guess so, I don't know. But yeah, so it's very much like your scrubs have to be loose. They cannot be form fitting.

You cannot wear perfume. You cannot wear perfume. You cannot wear jewelry. You cannot wear, it's a very, you know. Is that like a real thing or is that just like a busy body hospital person? What do you mean? Well, that seems ridiculous, but like you're saying it as if it's like across the board.

What we were taught is that like if you're wearing perfume or lotion and you go into the operating room where it's like incredibly sterile and then everyone's like, is that vanilla something from Bath and Body Works? Like what is that, if you're wearing perfume or lotion and you go into the operating room where it's like incredibly sterile and then everyone's like, is that vanilla something from Bath and Body Works? Like what is that, you know? Like what if it drips into the wounds of like the patient?

That makes sense. I'm just talking about slightly tight scrubs that were, you know, like it's like. I mean, you're also wearing a gown over your scrubs in surgery, so it's like, you can't even. That's true. You can't even see anything. Is there a dress code for people in the operating room

in regards to scrubs because I've seen Like doctors or nurses that have like a usually like themed scrubs. It's usually like color coordinate It's like nurses if you're in like corporate hospital It's like nurses wear dark blue doctors what you know a different color to stand out everyone wears a different color You know where there's no dress code though where on the set of Nicole Kidman's new movie Oh, baby girl cuz she is tired of faking You know where there's no dress code though? Where? On the set of Nicole Kidman's new movie. Oh, baby girl, cause she is tired of faking. Orgasms.

Orgasms. I don't think she was faking. I think she said she was the amount of like touching. She was actually orgasming and she needed a break from the orgasm. Wait, do we know which one it was? It was that one. I read the article.

I read a lot of articles about it. So I was very interested. Cause you know, you know, Keith Urban was like, Nicole, just tell me where the clit is, and I can do it. If you just tell me where it is, that's all you have to do. Is she just that good at acting? Who is her co-star?

He's the same guy that was in that movie where they were on the yacht. Triangle of Sadness. Triangle of Sadness. Harris Dickinson. Harris Dickinson. He was the model, and then him and his girlfriend went on the yacht together.

Oh, Woody Harrelson. That was a terrible movie. You didn't like it? I wanted to love it. What did you like? It just, everyone's puking. Yeah, it's Gilligan's Island on steroids. I enjoyed it too.

It was, once they got to the island, oh my God, Harris Dickinson and then the woman and their relationship. I just thought it was good class commentary, a little on the nose, but I love that. I will say Nicole Kidman said, there were times when we were shooting where I was like, I don't want to,

and this is in brackets, imitate orgasms anymore. So she could have been faking it technically. Method acting. Method acting. But I think there was a lot of like, Too much O-face. I think there was a lot of like. Too much O face. I think there was a lot of like sexual tension and a lot of this like turning her on for sure.

She was turned on. She's into it. She's into it. I'm just wondering how Keith Urban feels about this. Yeah, that is the question. Yeah, cause he could have been like, hey, you're an actor. Couldn't you just fake it?

No, no, no, no. He says that he very much separates his wife from the stuff that she's in. He looks at the stuff she's in not as like, oh, that's my wife, but as like, oh, this is art. Yeah, but I guess if she was like, I'm too tired from faking an orgasm, then like, yeah, it's like pop off.

She did say. My lovely wife's a great actress and that can be tiring. Cause I'm assuming many of you have had been exhausted from faking. Is it exhausting to fake one? Honestly, yeah. I imagine. It is performing.

That's what I said, whether it's a real one or a fake one, it's exhausting either way. What's more exhausting? Probably faking it, because you're like, get this fucking over with. You gotta do a good job. There's too much thinking. You're just trying to make someone happy.

Yeah. And then you're in your head a little bit, should I have not done that last, like, eye roll, was that like too much? Is that when he caught on that it was fake? I wonder if Keith had been like watching those, like, I know the difference, cause some men don't know the difference.

She literally has not. She's having real. Dax Shepard just said that he watched, nobody wants this, and he said she doesn't kiss me like that. I didn't even know she knew how to kiss like that. So there's a little bit of contrast. Right, Keith Urban is watching this and he's like,

oh is that what a real orgasm looks like then? Is Dax protecting it? I've seen that move before. He was like, it's gonna be a long hot summer. Well it was very much Dax jokes. So I think, yeah, this was very much a joke. Okay. Yeah.

Ha ha ha ha. You know, like. Dax is very funny. Oh, what is that? I was very much a joke. Okay. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha. You know, like. Dax is very funny. Oh, what is that? I've never seen a kiss like that. Must be nice type of thing. But Nicole and Keith, they're good. They're healthy.

They're in a good place. Well, okay, Nicole did say on top of this quote saying, don't come near me. I hate doing this. I don't care if I'm ever touched again in my life. So Keith Urban might not be getting it anymore. If I were Keith, I would be a little, I'm like me included. Well, I'd be like, me included?

Well, maybe it's like, don't come near me. You're not my husband. Yeah, maybe. It's like, ugh, I'm too tired. I think this is a sign of a healthy relationship. I feel like when women don't wanna be touched, I don't think we wanna be touched. By anyone.

Oh, by anyone, yeah. By anyone, including the people you love. Correct. Oh, for sure. Like dogs, anything. Like if I'm in a mood and Steve's like, I'm like, get away from me. I cannot throw the ball for you.

I can't, it's not in me to throw the ball. I have to lay here for a moment. I can't. But he is the sweetest little angel. We got some exciting news. Well at least for the families and the supporters, the families of the Menendez brothers and the supporters of the Menendez brothers,

it's been announced they will get a new, well it was recommended they get a sentencing, I don't know what that means. Does that mean they're gonna get a new sentencing or are we in step one of 20 steps, do we know? The DA filed a petition to resentence Eric and Lyle Menendez opening the possibility of parole for the brothers serving life sentences

for the murder of their parents. So it's a petition. What's a petition? He's petitioning the court. So it's up to the court to reopen it. I feel like this is a big deal. Has anyone said in the news whether- Here's what happens next. The judge will either accept Gascon's recommendation

or reject it depending on whether he believes the brothers have been rehabilitated or if there are releases in the interest of justice. If he agreed to hand down a new sentence, he wouldn't be bound by the one presented to him and could choose something different. If the judge reduces the sentence, the brothers could become eligible for parole because they are under 26 at the time of the crime and had served over 25 years already. State correction officials say the parole board would then have six months to

schedule a parole hearing. The parole board agrees they should go free. Then the case goes to Governor Gavin Newsom, who will have the final say. Gav has the final say? He's the governor, Gav. Why do we have to go through all these steps? It's the court system. Welcome to the legal system. But they don't have to.

They could just do their job. Well, this was like a murder life sentence type of thing, so I feel like maybe they're like, let's just take all steps. Protocol. Yeah, let's just run through protocol. That sounds like bureaucracy to me. I get it, but they've been in prison for how long?

This is not like. But they probably need to be evaluated, whatnot. They've been in prison for 25 years. They are in prison for brutal murders. By all means. So it's like can you re- Evaluate them. Come back to society.

Evaluate them. But I guess what I'm saying is I doubt very much that they're going to be taking six months to evaluate them. My guess is it're just, it's just, these things, they just, what, you were just talking about we recorded the court date for an, I don't understand, it's a different case, but my point is, it's like, there's no reason

why the Ariana Raquel and Tom Sandoval's court date needs to be scheduled for next year in 2025. It's just like, let's put them in the docket, I don't know. I guess, I was just saying, if we really think these boys, men, the Menendez brothers were abused and maybe they didn't get the sentence that they deserved, shouldn't we like expedite the process to get these guys who've already served

30 plus years of prison? And if we are gonna let them out, maybe we should get on it? Ideally, yeah. Seems, I don't know. I'm sure because it's such a big topic of public interest too, I'm sure that will expedite the process. I imagine the judge is definitely going to green light it because no one wants to look like the bad guy here. The court of

public opinion is really going to decide whether these brothers get. Kitty Menendez's brother did speak out against this and was felt very offended that this was even a topic of conversation to let them be free. Great. So, Kitty Menendez' brother, but Kitty Menendez' sister wants them out. Is that correct? I haven't heard that, so I don't know. I'm pretty confident that Kitty Menendez' sister very much wants the boys to be released. And then so recently, one of the former bandmates of the very popular band Menudo, the father, the Menendez' father, the guy who's been accused

of sexually assaulting his sons, allegedly also essayed this young man as well, which would corroborate the Menendez brother's story. So that's... Do you and Ricky Martin got to start from being in the band Menudo? I do, yeah. Ricky Martin, not to be confused with Martin Short,

who is in love with Meryl Streep. You guys, I've been waiting for my moment to talk about this. Oh my God was in love with Meryl Streep. You guys. I've been waiting for my moment to talk about this. Oh my God. Martin Short and Meryl Streep are pretty much officially dating. And this isn't for clicks as they say? No. I mean it could be.

You think Meryl Streep needs clicks? No, but maybe she wants a... I think she wants like a chic situationship with like the funniest, most charming guy in the room. Have you seen the photos of her driving him around? Yes Iconic have you seen the photo that Steve Martin posted on his Instagram where it's a picture of the three of them And he put a like X over his face didn't Steve Martin have a relationship with Meryl Streep in a movie

Yes, and it's complicated. It's yeah. Yeah, they like a thing. Yeah Well, she like remodeled his house or something. Yes, and Alec Baldwin was also there. Yeah. Yeah, weren't they like a thing? Yeah, well in- She like remodeled his house or something? Yes, and Alec Baldwin was also there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nancy Meyer's classic. Okay. But not Steve Martin and Meryl Streep because they seem like a pair.

Martin Short. Steve Martin is married. Is he? Oh, sorry, I'm not keeping up with their relationship life. Martin Street. Did you guys- Martin is short. Martin Short and Meryl Streep.

Martin Short and Meryl Streep. Did you guys hear about when they were at the Golden Globes, I believe last year, where Selena Gomez was whispering to Taylor Swift about something? And people thought that they were like cheese maing rumors about- Talking about Kylie and Timothy. Kylie and Timothy. And then Selena Gomez commented on somebody saying they were spilling, she was like, I was just talking about two of my friends that hooked up

and people were like, that is definitely about Meryl Streep and Martin Short. And this is where the rumors started and it's just been a soft launch after soft launch but I can pretty much in my heart confirm. Do we have any pictures of them holding hands or? I can pull them up. No, they've hard launched their relationship.

Pretty much. I mean, like the going out on a date and like her driving him. It's the dates, yeah. So technically there's no official announcement, but do we need it? I feel like Steve Martin crossing his face out of a photo of the three of them kind of.

But it's Steve Martin making the announcement, you know? Like, look at them. I mean, Martin Short is iconic. I mean, they both obviously are iconic. Jiminy Glick. Jiminy Glick is hilarious. He's one of the funniest men ever. He really is.

Fronk from Father of the Bride. Yes, here's my pitch for the next Nancy Meyers romcom. It's Father of the Bride part nine or something, and Fronk has fallen in love. And now Steve Martin. Yeah, when does Franck get married? Exactly, and now Steve Martin has to. Plan the wedding. Plan the wedding.

Yeah. But it's Franck and then the woman who would love Franck played by Meryl Streep. And it would be incredible. Wow, there's a bitch. So Nancy Myers, if you're listening, hit me up. They're giving older people finding love and having sex representation and I respect that.

They are. Cause I think people see Meryl as this like older Hollywood like person. They're giving us Never Too Late. Exactly. They're giving like, you can be funny and like, Bagabadi. Do you think they were watching the Golden,

do you think they're watching the Golden franchise and thought, we too deserve love and we should give it a shot. Well, they could have watched Gary season. Do you think they were inspired? Maybe. I think Martin was like, I could do better than Gary. I think they were around Selena Gomez

and she was singing like, Love Me or Lose Me or whatever the song is. That one song. I need you to lose you to love me. That one and then they were like, you know what? Why lose you? I love you like a love song, baby. That one too.

Yeah. And I keep hitting repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. Was that her? Do you think she has to take breaks to, because the- I don't, they're so intense? No, Meryl. I don't think, I don't think, do you think Martin Shorts is like a cat in the bed?

I don't think either of them need breaks. I think they're both just, just stamina is high. They are working. Take their heart pills before? I don't even know if they're on heart pills. They're so healthy looking. Yeah, I love that they're,

we're talking about Meryl Streep getting ticked out by Martin Jor right now. It makes me so happy. I will say I did see a post of Selena Gomez this weekend in her Halloween costume, Alice in Wonderland, and she turned her comments off. But I was like, she looked hot and she was with Benny Blanco. And I think people were roasting Benny Blanco,

being like, you're so hot. Everyone's so mean to them. And not him, so then she literally had to like mute her comments and I was like. They're not always muted Everyone's so mean to them. And not him, so then she literally had to mute her comments and I was like. They're not always muted? Well, she limits them a lot of the time. They're limited.

Yeah, limited a lot of the time. Honestly, I feel like if you are a celebrity, that's the move. Why give people a platform to have dialogue under your personal photos? That's so weird. Especially with how mean people are to Selena Gomez. It doesn't matter to anyone.

Truly anyone. Yes, correct. Yeah. And then Dancing with the Stars, we have Gleb Savchenko and Brooke Snader. Have you seen this whole alleged affair, whatever you wanna call it? He's trying to soft break up with her.

Brooke Snader, she posted a TikTok, basically with a caption, when he's breaking up with me, but I never knew we were dating. So she posted that, and then we have a source close to Gleb that spoke out that said, Wait, but what do you mean she didn't know?

Well, this is what she posted. Well, I guess they never had a conversation of like, hey, we're dating. So she had, it's vague, nobody knows. And then he was like, hey, I think we should break up. And she's like, um, I didn't even know we were dating. No, I mean, I, do you really think that, but yeah, I get what think we should break up. And she's like, I don't even know we're dating. No, I mean, I, you really think that, but yeah. I get what she's saying for sure.

He just thinks it's a bit. Yeah, but I'm just like wondering. Well, they're both very much playing this game. Yes. Teasing. So it is kind of giving like, okay, we're continuing on with the. Well, so a source close to Gleb said,

Gleb got way too comfortable, especially in the amount of time he was spending at Brooke's home. To the point that it begun to concern Brooke's people and family close to her. He wanted to get ahead of the situation and decided to initiate a breakup. He ended things via a text. Why were they concerned? We don't know. Kind of a weird thing to say when you're just hooking up with somebody.

We're very concerned. He's at our house a lot. Also, grown-ass adults. Literally. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I don't, just this, you know, they did it for the bit. She also posted something about how she shouldn't

have gotten matching tattoos. Yeah, I saw that. They got matching tattoos? They did get matching tattoos. They got matching tattoos? So maybe that's why everyone's concerned. Cause that's moving a little fast. Honestly, that's a concern. Yeah. I mean's moving a little fast. That's a concern.

Yeah. I mean, if Morgan Wade and Kyle Richards can do it, then I guess it means nothing. Two pairs of close friends. Yeah. Which the Beverly Hills season 14 trailer came out. Did you see it? I haven't seen it.

I need to see it. I need to watch it. We did get dinner with Crystal Minkoff and her husband Rob, who he is so cool. First of all, we had so much fun. They are so fun to talk to and hang out and listen to their life because they have such crazy lives.

Did y'all know that Rob came up with Ursula? Yes. Oh, did y'all know that he directed The Lion King? Yes, and Haunted Mansion. Oh, I asked him. And Stuart Little. Oh, I asked him. I didn Little. Oh, I asked him. I didn't know he directed Stuart Little.

Yes, he did direct Stuart Little. That was the first thing I found out about him. And I was like, oh. Wait, Natalie was asking him. I asked him. I just had to. I asked him, I asked him what, because clearly like,

this is the man to ask about Disney movies. Everything. So I'm like, what was the first movie you showed your children? Important question. What was it? Dumbo. Oh my gosh.

Interesting. He was like, it's not too much going on, it's simple, it's easy, but it's good. Not the Tim Burton Dumbo. Both of them made me really sad, I'm sorry. I did ask him about the alleged sexual content that somehow finds its way in some of these. Oh, Little Mermaid and stuff?

Yeah. And what did he say? He said that, which I actually thought this was my, it's just like, yeah, I think it's individual animators potentially going rogue. Yes. Yeah. But not like some sort of like

company-wide conspiracy theory where they decide to go, you know, if you don't know that you're looking for it, you won't notice it, which is kind of the thing. Kristen Bell just came out, did a video talking about how she helped create the character of Anna. And in the song, it says, like, why have a ballroom with no balls?

And like, very much on point of like having a ball, but she's saying, I can't believe that we got that in there. Like it's a funny joke, but we didn't know like... She had to convince the producers or the execs to keep it in. ...to keep the line in the song. So it's like they make little innuendos, but it's not to like, I don't know, infiltrate your children's mind and pollute it. They're just like, no, it's a funny inside joke for adults. He was saying that like, you know, the smoke in The Lion King

that like people say it says sex. He said he like went and asked that animator, and that animator was like, no, no, no, it's SFX, like special effects. Like I was doing it like that. That guy works for the special effects department. That guy is literally just trying to be like. He's like, I was shouting myself out.

Yeah, he was like, I just want one modicum of respect from this big corporation, and now people think I'm trying to get children into sex. That's exactly how those things go. The Little Mermaid when the priest is... The boner. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's not, that's deliberate. Yeah. Did you guys talk about how Ursula was based off of the Jack Queen Divine? Yes, yes. He told me that. Yeah. And then he showed his photos and I was like, that is! Yasha watched Pink Flamingos. They originally wanted her to be like a hottie No, who was the actor who was the woman? They were like basing her off of she's like skinny had a big forehead

And he was like this is it he's like I just don't see this vibe And then that's when you like envisioning Allison Janie, but I know that's but I know that's not right. That's so fucked up. I love her. I love you, Allison Janie. Allison, if you're listening, we love you. No, I literally would die for her. No, but, and then he, they had like four different Ursulas

on like, like drawn out and whoever was head of. She's so iconic. He came in and he chose Rob's and he was like that one. Kid Nick was very excited because Kid Nick wanted to be a cartoonist for Disney and used to draw like Simba and Mufasa all the time. You still could by the way. Yeah, definitely.

Definitely never too late. But it was still, the next best thing was having dinner with the guy who directed Lion King. Truly. It was very cool. So anyways, I had an amazing time at dinner just listening to them. So I will be listening to Humblebrag going forward

just to get my fix of Crystal Minkoff. And you can too because it's out right now. It's on every Monday. Be sure to check it out wherever you listen to podcasts. I will say, I was talking to Crystal, and I'm glad that her and Rob aren't on the season of Housewives from Beverly Hills, because if you watch the trailer,

it's the season of breakups and the season of like cheating. No, I mean, not cheating, but like acting like you're not in a relationship, being single, divorce, whatever it may be, because this trailer is messed up. Rob did say he ran into PK not too long ago and asked him if they are really separated. And are they?

And Rob gave a very cryptic answer to Rob. It seemed like it was unclear. Crystal said on our podcast that they are together. It's giving PK is Tamar Judge. PK is like a... PK is like, I'm gonna make some drama for this season. PK is giving more Jen's husband to me. Jen Padranchi.

Ryan. Ryan. Cause I feel like, I feel like this, we can watch. The separation between me is three. Let's watch. I got chills like three times watching that. So good. Jennifer. We've got chills like three times watching that. So good. So good. Jennifer.

We've gotta make our promos like that. Like I want chills from our promos. Wow, that was good. Do you think they're gonna come for Kyle? Oh, for sure. It's about time. So Kyle is like, she's the longest running housewife, right, as of now.

So it's like, Crystal said it was her show, like I think her time is up. Maybe not up, but like people aren't gonna come for her. I love Kyle. Me too, I do too. But I also love- You said it like, yeah, they are though. Well, cause I love the rest of the cast more.

Like I feel like I think Kyle- But Kyle's the protagonist. Yeah, I love Kyle, but I think she's like gotten comfortable and I think it's time to like stir the pot and she's the pot that's being stirred. No, don't we feel like her life's stirred enough? Yeah. Yeah.

But do you think it's, who's stirring it? Her? I don't know. Kyle has a hand in her pot. Kyle has a hand in her television. Kyle doesn't. Kyle's in control of her narrative. Yeah, Kyle doesn't give victim.

Yeah. No. Yeah. You know? Yeah, that's why, what I appreciate about Kyle is that she's always the protagonist, but like isn't like victim-y, always protagonist. Who's our new housewife?

Bosema. Wait. Netflix executive. She is? I think she's gonna kill it. Whoa, Netflix executive. She was an executive. Former.

Former, yeah. But like a legit, that's why. I wonder if this was difficult for her being she's probably used to like nine to five Corporate world and then to like come into this Yeah, I think we were Netflix. We would have canceled this five seasons ago When you're enjoying it, yeah Tilly as well the voice of

Chuckie's girlfriend is she an actual housewife or she a friend? She's a friend of so she's been a friend of for two seasons and she's made appearances before, but she's Sutton's friend. Yeah, and Sutton was actually, Justin showed me that Sutton was in an episode of the Chucky TV show. Yeah, she was? With Jennifer Tilly. Jennifer Tilly was the villain in Liar Liar

with Jim Carrey. Yes, she was. She was also in this movie Bound with Gina Gershon. Anyway. I just, I love Sutton and Sutton's line of, I'm not going to bow down at the altar of Kyle Richards. Gagged. Gagged.

Wig on the floor. And Dorit in her little hat. So we look so good this season. She does look so good. I can't wait. Yeah. Okay. I love her voice.

And you're getting what you asked for. You wanted some single Dorit and clearly she said she's not married this week So we might get a little cigarette smoking lined up dating Dorit if you found out that PK and Dorit were just like willing to expose their Marriage on television for the sake of ratings. Well, what would you think about that? I believe it. Would you appreciate that or would you make you think less of them as human beings? It depends on how you look at it. I'm like you're on a reality TV show. Comparing it to Kyle and Mauricio last year where we all knew everything based off of like headlines what they've put out there and then you watch the show and you're like you're giving me nothing

versus like putting it out there being like, hi, there's no way of hiding this, everybody knows we're staying at different homes and da da da da, put it out there. That's what I think, I would appreciate it, because we knew for seasons before this that they're not a happy couple. So now it's them finally actually addressing

what we've all known. What's like if you're gonna go through all that in your relationship, you might as well make good TV. And make a good paycheck. Exactly, exactly. What if it's all fake? I relationship, you might as well make good TV. You know what I mean? Exactly, exactly. What if it's all fake? I mean, she was on the chopping block. What if they were,

the season that she didn't address it. What if they're not as messy as they portray, but they just do it for television? Honestly, if you can maintain that, yeah, then I mean, by all means, I just don't see how you can separate reality from a TV show in that sense. To answer your question, I don't think they're that messy.

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You know who's real messy? Lisa Barlow. But she ate. How did she eat? I'm sorry. I'm being accused of something I did not do. And go the distance on it. And go the distance.

That was iconic. I texted immediately. I was like Lisa Barlow eight. Oh. This is classic Lisa. Yeah. But that's bully behavior. No, no, no.

What? Yes. It was a little bit. It was a little bit. I did not bully her. It was her being accused of something. She's like, I know I did not do this and I will call my fucking lawyer

and I will have this handled. So all six of them. And we will go the distance on it because I know I didn't do this. That's what it's giving, not like. Her instantly pulling up the phone, calling her security, being like, who did it, I'm gonna sue them. That's such a fake flex.

That is the equivalent of Jax taking his T-shirt off in the parking lot and chest bumping someone to fake fight them. The difference is we know Lisa has seven lawyers. I'm gonna get the Salt Lake City and the LA police involved. We can't get the cops to show up at our door if someone burglarized their house in LA. Their police are so busy.

But no, they're gonna drop what they're doing because of a rumor. Instagram comments. Is this an Instagram rumor? I hate to say it, but Lisa Barlow could. Her and her seven lawyers, she has one of the seven that would do it right away. That's true. Like, there'd be so, the cops would be so annoyed.

How should we remake LA Confidential with the cops having to do like housewives legal drama work? So let me get this straight. So like, there's a rumor going around about Whitney's business. Yeah, so for the record, the way that it plays out, we see the clip of Whitney calling her friend who we know is up and at him Adam and he calls her saying, I know the person who run the account that posted the Alibaba photos, I asked them who it was and it was someone in your friend group who owns a liquor business.

That's what we saw. So now Whitney and Bravo is leading us to think that it was Lisa Barlow, right? But basically Adam posted an Instagram video being like, they Franken-clipped, so Frankensteined the clips to make my call seem like it was something else. I explicitly said in the call, and let me actually just bring up the exact quotes. He said, I said multiple times it was not Lisa Barlow

who ended up sharing the information, but it was someone who was part of the cast who has been very smart and strategic with how they are maneuvering this. So, Bravo, Salt Lake City made us think that it was someone who was part of the cast who has been very smart and strategic with how they are maneuvering this. So Bravo Salt Lake City made us think that it was Lisa Barlow, but he came out and said, it's not Lisa Barlow. So Lisa getting accused of something she knows

and now we all know she did not do, her being like, you're not about to attack my character and act like I'm coming for your business. Like I will get people who will go the distance on this. It wasn't me. Isn't Lisa part of this rumor about Whitney's business? Isn't she? No, that's the whole thing.

She brought it to Meredith's attention. She was in the room when it was brought up initially, yes. Has she helped this rumor about Whitney's business flourish in any sort of way? Yes, I would say I would agree with that. On TV she entertained the conversation. On national television. She also did not take Whitney's necklace.

That is true. Yeah, she left it in Milwaukee. She remembered that she accidentally the conversation. On national television. She also did not take Whitney's necklace. That is true. She left it in the locker room. She remembered that she accidentally left it. For someone who has no problem perpetuating a rumor, Axe is so entitled that the authorities of LA and Salt Lake City will drop what they're doing to investigate a rumor online. Whitney never accused her either.

She asked. Well, she did ask her in a way of like, I know the answer. Well, she asked in a way that Meredith asks. Also, Whitney would have to be in on this too with Bravo. Whitney was there during the conversation. So if Bravo is frank and cutting the conversations together, then Whitney must also be in on this. So Whitney must know what they're gonna,

that's a little, that is a good point by Leia because in real time, Whitney has to know how they plan on editing it. Right? So do you think producers went to her and they were like, why don't we just run with Lisa on this for a bit? Well, it's assuming we trust Mr. Up and Adam. Yeah. You know, which.

Well, I mean, I don't know. That would be a weird time for him to lie. That would, right? Yeah. It's a weird time for anyone. People will lie at weird times. He's also friends with a lot of the Salt Lake City Housewife Women cast.

So it's like I- Is he trying to save his ass or eat Lisa Barlow? Is he afraid of Lisa? Is he making sure he doesn't get sued by LA and Salt Lake City? Cause Lisa's made it very clear. He has a show with Monica as well. So I mean, it's very much like there are ties

of like bias on different sides. I'm not familiar with Mr. Adams, but maybe he's not fully transparent. Yeah, I mean, I think he would be because he is a big source in the housewife world. That's a very interesting point that Lea made, which I find it very hard to believe that the people producing the show would be so sloppy

as to go to Whitney and say, hey, listen, I know this person told you explicitly it's not Lisa Barlow, but we're gonna make sure that in the edit room that it seems like it is. So can you play along at this fight? I don't think they operate that way. I think that exposes the producers way too much. I don't think it's that.

I think it's more of Whitney said, I don't know anybody else in my front group that owns a liquor business. So I think it was more of Whitney said like I don't know anybody else in my friend group But owns a liquor business Yeah, I think it was more of like What she specifically went up to Lisa at the party and said I heard a rumored and very much strongly implied if not Almost accused Lisa of being the one to perpetuate the rumors. She was the only one with a liquor business No, but you're saying that this mr. Adams guy called up Whitney and said hey listen I heard this person, but just so you know, it wasn't Lisa Barlow.

And you're saying that Whitney heard this in a car with her husband, and then got in a fight with some other, Lisa's husband, being like, my wife's not a fucking liar, even though she would have to be a liar if Mr. Adams is telling the truth. And then started this whole scene

because the producers promised her they're gonna edit this out. There's no way Whitney would have been that dumb to do that because they could be lying to Whitney and setting Whitney up. I don't, there's a disconnect in the story. I don't know. That account could also be lying to protect Lisa.

So I think Whitney at the end of the day was just like, I'm gonna ask the one person I think it might be. I'm just saying if what this person is saying is true, something unbelievable would have had to happen and it's kind of unbelievable that production would go to Whitney and tell her how they're gonna edit the show. And that's not how these shows work.

They're not in real time storyboarding their show. They film a show, they get a bunch of content, then behind the scenes they kind of look at what they got and they write their story. Well, Adam never said anything about Whitney. He said it about the editing. So like the editing happened after Whitney confronted Lisa, so that's where I was saying,

I think Whitney might have just been like genuinely asking, like you're the only friend I know that owns a liquor business. Do you know anything about this rumor? So he wasn't saying anything about Whitney being set up. He just said the clip was edited. But you're saying that he said that he explicitly told Whitney that it wasn't saying anything about Whitney being set up. He just said the clip was edited. But you're saying that he said that he explicitly told Whitney

that it wasn't Lisa Barlow? Yeah, he said he said multiple times it wasn't. Sure, and that part doesn't add up to the scene that we saw of Whitney confronting Lisa Barlow and then Whitney's husband getting in a fight with Lisa's husband all around the idea that Whitney is or isn't a liar when it comes to accusing

or suggesting Lisa borrowed money behind others. I think it was blown out of proportion because Whitney was asking Lisa and then Lisa turned it into who was it, I'm gonna sue them, let's get the police involved, you're a liar. So then it became this whole like grand scheme of the husbands are getting involved.

If I'm Lisa, that feels like an accusation. I agree, it does. But I think Whitney was asking. Maybe the two conversations with Whitney and Adam happened at completely different times. Maybe the first conversation happened and then this confrontation with Whitney and Lisa, and then they had another conversation

and they franken cut those two together. That's what I saw was that it was two completely separate conversations that were cut together. Two different phone calls. Maybe the second conversation happened after Whitney confronted Lisa about it. And then in the second conversation, Like she called this up and Adam guy and was like, oh my God, I confronted Lisa.

And it was this whole thing. And he was like, oh, Lisa? No, no, no, no, no, no, it was not Lisa. It was not Lisa. Well, and then Whitney's husband inviting Jared Osmond. Bluff. I was gonna say shit. That was messy.

She's in hot water right now for that too, because it's- Whitney is? Yeah, well, people are upset because- She laughed at it. She laughed at it, yeah. Justin invited Jared, knowing the whole Britney situation, and I guess on an Instagram comment that's been deleted, somebody commented on it being like,

why would he be invited? And she responded with just Justin being messy, LOL or something. And then the person commented back being like, but like if you're on your journey of healing, like why would you put somebody in a situation who's obviously hurting and put them in that situation? And now the comments have been deleted.

Well, it was weird because we got proof of like the text that Justin sent Jared being like, Hey, I'm we're at Angie's. You should come. Britney's here. Yeah. That's a weird text to send to someone if Justin was just being messy. But they also said in the after show, I'm pretty positive that where Angie lives is not exactly a convenient location to get to. So Jared had to be driving around the neighborhood waiting for the tux saying, you can come in. Or he drove fast.

Or he was gonna come in. Yeah. Jared sucks. Let's remember, this was a TV show. Oh, he's mic'd up and ready to come in, of course. He was dressed up. It was really tough though to see. Brittany and Jared talked.

I was like, she was crying. It was sad because she did look just like happy with this other guy, just to like have Jared not on her forefront of mind and to like not be totally invested in that drama with him and to just kind of like have someone new, have someone fun, and then to like have him come in and it just was, yeah, it was sad. And you feel so bad because it's also kind of like, I believe Jared's an actor, so it's kind of one of those things

where he's saying all the lines, like, I just miss you, but it's like, no, you came up for the camera. We've all been in that situation where you're like out at a bar and then your ex shows up and you're like, oh, what do I do? You look so good. I miss you. Do you want to talk? And he goes, if you want to. Literally. Yeah. Like, you came here because she's here and now it's like, well, if you want to talk, do you want me to leave?

I have seen a lot of evil men on my television screen. He's maybe one of them. Jared Osmond is so insidious, like so insidious. It's he's it's because he's so aware of how manipulative he is and knows that he can get away with it because he is an Osmond. He's scary. I think people at the party like flock to him. It's like, I get it that he's like more than royalty

But it was just like what can I get you a grape Jared when Mary said I get it was she like saying I get it Like he's hot no it's cuz she was convinced the other guy was Jared Osmond and then she saw the two and she was like Oh, those are two different Same to be fair they look very To get to the kids even baby said like I have a type wait Mary throwing. And then her explaining it to the kids. Even Brin B said, like, I have a type. Wait, Mary throwing a fit and then talking to the kids after. Yeah.

And they were like, what's wrong? And she was like, women. You could tell that was a producer setup though, because she laughed and they left it in. Because she was like, what am I doing? What am I doing? Mary is slaying the seas. This whole episode, the dinner, Angie's,

like just her face reactions to anything that happened. She'd be like, oh my god. To like something across the room, iconic. Also, Angie's mob just her face reactions to anything that happened she'd be like It's like something across the room. Also Angie's mob the opening of this episode being like the mob wives with like the pudding stuff up on that. Salt Lake City knows that they could be goofy with the edit because of last season and now they don't care. Yeah they just deserve a raise. They do. Like this is like one of the best comedies on tv. Yes. Hands down. Oh I agree I so much agree. To go back to the Brittany part of it though, like you manifested this, Nick, because last episode you were like, they need to make Jared a housewife.

They do. And he's on our screen two more seconds. And I think you did this. Well, I think, I don't know if I did it. I think it was already filmed, but I just don't, it is hard for me. There was a rough cut. They put him in. It's just really hard for me to feel. I just, do you guys feel bad for? I do. For who?

I do. I do. In this situation. This is too much. You feel bad for Brittany because she had nothing. Like this was a setup from other people. And like, that's like a trick question. Like your ex who you're clearly still in love with for him to be like, well, do you want me to leave?

Yeah. No, I mean, it's the worst. Come on. She was honest. She was like, no. But also like she has this guy who she brought and then she leaves him hanging. She has to take some responsibility at this point

in her life to not bring a date to a party and then absolutely leave him hanging by himself alienated. She just completely using the, like. She's his Jared. You know, I just. Best friend. She should know better. It's just kind of like come on

I mean he Mary asking him like so how long have y'all been together and he's like For a couple months he said And she was like a month She's been talking about Jared Respect Lisa so much more because this specific scenario made me see that I think the other woman thought Brittany was just victimizing herself, not being as serious about her feelings for Jared.

So then they were like, oh my God, Jared's here, funny, funny, ha ha, we invited Jared, but then she's breaking down. And Lisa's the only one that's like, no, we're talking to him right now, we're gonna confront him, you need to talk to him. Two things can be true at the same time. He can be an insidious, terrible human being who's,

and Brittany should also know better. But they saw her actually break down, and I think this was the first time, versus she wasn't just talking about him, she saw him. Yeah, this is a completely different scenario, and I believe she deserves some grace from you, where she was set up to see her ex in an environment where she wasn't prepared to see him.

Sure, sure, sure, yes. And he manipulated her, and he's asking her these questions. She's crying, he's being like. Yeah, for sure. Come on, you're on a date with another guy. You brought another guy. But do you think they're still hanging out?

After those Instagram stories he released, I would hope the fuck not. But what if she is? Him and her, her and Jared, her and the other guy. Then there's a conversation to be had. But when she's at a party. He's a master manipulator though. She brought another guy, she was happy, she was laughing, she was kissing him,

she was doing her own thing, and then he comes in and it ruins her night. She deserves some grace. He's giving John Jensen Jr. He's giving trash your love. I did see something where someone was like has anybody seen Melee like sent help. Where's melee because like this whole season We've seen a ton of brahmin and britney, but like none of melee. Oh, yeah

And like this specific episode she was there kind of just like making one off comments, but like She's not really even giving in front of it's kind of like she's just kind of there What did you think of mary confronting heather when she was like god knows? What did you think of Mary confronting Heather? When she was like, God knows. Heather's like, well, name a time that you have been nice to me. Mary's like, name a time you've been good to me. Mary's been awful to Heather.

I know, yeah. That is also like one of my favorite things to say in argument and Nick probably knows this where it's like, you've've done this and it's like Name a time give me an example and then they can't it's like The one thing you do in an argument is if you're gonna bring up you always do this time stamps You need to come with that in case they say Yesterday you just love Lisa. I actually I mean I love Whitney Game-charts, everything. Like 2 p.m.? Yeah. Yesterday?

You just love Lisa. I don't know. I actually, I mean, I love Whitney, but I also, I think I just love all of them. I said that when we were talking about the reality of on teaser, but all back then I was like, I just have respect for a lot of them that I can speak to all of their strengths.

But Lisa's big thing is to overreact and bully people. And to do it. I did not think this was bullying. I think Meredith is the bigger bully. I mean, going to, no, no, no, sorry. Let me correct myself. Going to Justin and being like your wife's a liar, like that way too fucking much.

Going too far. But being like accused of something, you're like, I didn't do that. But this is the same person who constantly perpetuates rumors about other people. And then when someone is perpetuating or even just asking if she's involved in a rumor, then she threatens a lawsuit.

And again, it's all bullshit, but she does it with such vigor and such conviction that like one might actually be scared that Lisa would do this. Someone who has proven to be litigious and that is bullying, that is intimidation. She is trying to intimidate. She said, don't lie on my name.

Intimidation, yes, intimidation, yes. I think Lisa is just giving white women I know how to use the law. But I think if we're talking about rumors, Meredith is the bully of rumors. Every rumor starts from Meredith and it's always other people falling down. Whitney Rose, Lisa, Heather, all of them.

I am absolutely blown away by how Meredith just remains to be unscathed by... But she starts them. It's genius. She's incredible. And she's the lawyer. She's the actual lawyer. I love it. I love it. But even then she's coming from a completely different perspective. This episode being like defending Lisa and being like, how do you know? Exactly. She is...

You should ask her. She's lawyering. She's lawyering them all. Lisa's calling the lawyers and Meredith is on the other end. She knows how to plan information because she knows they love a rumor. Exactly. The call is coming from inside the house. That's where I said she is the bully

because she's the one that starts the rumors and people fall down because of it. But she's so cool. I do know what bullying means. No, because the Meredith acts like she's like, well, I never did anything, why would you be overreacting? You can be a gossip, you can be a shit starter, but it doesn't mean you're a bully.

The intimidating part, that's the bullying part, is like I'm gonna intimidate you and scare you into doing what I want because I don't want you to do what you want to do. That kind of gives bully. Okay, I retract the statement, she's a rumor starting person. Meredith? Yeah. Bully means a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive

as vulnerable. But she's starting rumors to intimidate indirectly. That just sounds like Lisa right there. I think that every single person in this Salt Lake City cast, and I love them with all of my heart, you could accuse of being a bully. That is true. They're all just bullying each other. So I think Lisa, I think some of them are better at it than others. And I think Lisa is just like not transparent about it whatsoever.

And Meredith is like very, very smart about it. I said this, Meredith was a lawyer. She knows how to drop a rumor and then act like she never did it and stay clean. He's like, this is from the DA's office. I didn't do anything. I got a DM. The next episode looks like it's going to be very, very good. We're very excited for it. Up next, we got Nina Parker from E! News. She is really enjoying this season of Love is Blood, and she's here to give us all her thoughts about this dramatic and wild and wacky season.

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adventures. Head in and start yours today. Maverick. Adventures First Stop. Nina, welcome to the Vofols. Oh, I'm so excited. So excited to have you. We have been following you along for some time now. Really? Yeah, well, I am. We love you. We're huge fans of you. You have? I'm so surprised.

I see your takes. The second you walked in, I was like, oh yeah. This is my girl. That makes me feel so good. We need to get Nina on the show. Well, you guys are the coolest podcast. Oh my God. Oh my God. Well, next time, Rachel Lindsay,

because she knows she gets mad. Yes. Yes. Different shows. Different shows. Different vibes, right? Different shows, different vibes. Yeah, both of you.

I get a lot of catch up through you guys, so I love it, because I'm one of those people that sometimes just likes to speed to the end. So I'm like, okay, let me just watch them and get the recap. So it's wonderful. We love your hot takes. You've been very active discussing Love is Blind,

and we thought we needed to get Nina on the show. You know what's so funny is that I am so media trained in just my history that I never usually talk about shows, like unless I'm on camera, like I usually save my opinion on Twitter. in just my history that I never usually talk about shows. Like, unless I'm on camera, like I usually save my opinion on Twitter. And this last year I was like, I'm about to just say what I feel. I don't care if it burns a bridge.

Like I gotta get my opinion. That's what we love about this show. You don't need to be media trained. Right. It's exactly. Honestly drop all training. I know, I know. I've been really, I've been learning a little from Gen Z

about just being like, just effing to the wind. And I like it a little bit. I kind of like it. We love that. We love it. Let's burn it to the ground. You can even say fuck if you want. Oh can I?

Yes. Listen, I have a body mouth. It's beautiful range. So do we. I am unlearning all of my media training for many, many years. And I have to say it's very freeing. It's a new world.

It's a whole new world. And what's so funny is, I purposely wasn't critical of Love is Blind for a long time. I would just keep it to myself. And my friend was like, you should tweet about it. And I started to tweet my opinions, and it would get thousands of retweets. And I was like, maybe I should talk about this more.

Yes. We're here to let it out. I love it. Tell us how you feel about Love is Blind in general. I don't like it. Oh. I don't, I don't like it. I hate that the premise is like, you have to get married. I hate any show that you have to end in marriage.

Like I'm just against that. Like I feel like that shouldn't be, you know, it's like. From a human being standpoint. Yes, I'm just, you know, it's like... From a human being standpoint, sure. Yes, I'm just, you know, but I love to hate the show, if that makes sense. Like I'm not a big fan of the premise. And I, you know, this season, I have been very critical of the show.

That being said, I do enjoy watching it, but I'm mad the whole time. Afterwards, I gotta go for a walk. Like I'm viscerally mad. Oh no. Like, yeah, I'm mad. When I watch the show, I'm like, this is crazy. And I'm- What is pissing you off so much?

You know what's pissing, I feel like the selection, I'm like, what is going on with the selection of people? I feel like now people are kind of getting on the show to get famous now, as opposed to before where it really felt like a project. But more importantly, I'm just like, can we stop getting put in the middle of arguments? Where are the cameras at this? Was somebody sick? Was an editor on vacation?

We've been saying there needs to be Love Island hidden cameras in these apartments. What is going on? We're coming in and I'm trying to play Blue's Clues. And they're like reenacting like the fight they had last night. And they're like, you were, you said that I'm ugly. Remember? What happened to green screens? Like what happened to a green screen to get us navigate us through? They use the green screens in the pods,

but after the pods, they stop using the green screens. And then we come into these arguments and I'm seeing Ramzes and you know, his two dreads and the girls crying. And I'm like, what happened to get us here? I need your thoughts on Ramses immediately. What a clown. What a clown.

I saw his reunion photos and he is dressed like the court jester that he is. And I'm just, I was so rooting for him because- I haven't seen his reunion photo. Can you see it? Oh, you haven't seen it? I've seen all the reunion photos. Did you see his first wedding photos?

No. I did. Oh, sure. No, I haven't seen those. Show her Ramses 1.0. Here's the reunion photos, which everybody looks pretty decent. Ashley absolutely ate the ground up. Absolutely.

Ramses, what are you doing? Yes. And I appreciate a personal style, I get that, but it's like, he's trying. He's dressed like Ducky from Pretty in Pink. That's his personality is to be Ducky. I think he's dressed like you can't yell at me I'm wearing. Right.

I'm dressed like a clown. Yes. I just, I actually was, wait, is this him? Yes, this is what will blow your mind. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, so he just changes personalities.

That is a new man. Yes, cause I'm like, he looked like Nick D in the, what a picture. He was giving Nicky D? I was like he was giving Nicky D. Holy shit, go back to that. I thought that was Nicky D in these pictures. Look how he's dressed.

He is giving like. Yeah, he giving Dorka. He's giving Dorka. Look at the pictures, look how he's dressed. He is giving like... Yeah, he giving dorka. He's giving dorka? Look at the pictures. That is an awful trick. That looks like a kicker right there. Yes, you know, he, I, that's why I'm like, I can't... He still loves the pattern.

He loves the pattern, but I can't trust anything he says. I'm like, he looks like a chameleon. He kind of adjusts to whatever. It's a little bit of a drastic change. And I actually thought at first, I was like, okay, this guy is like conscious. He's really conscious of the world. That's wonderful. And then when they had the conversation,

when they were in the kitchen and she was saying that she wasn't feeling good and he was still pressing her about sex. Oh, I was ready. I was ready to take every earring off and fight for her. And I'm not even a big Marissa fan, but I was like, this guy is trash. That was crazy. And my biggest thing is like, when I think of a partner,

I'm always like, are they gonna be there for me if I get sick? That's the first thing I think about. And you can't even have a period with him. Hell no, he's like, so your legs close when you're on a period? Right. You're not gonna.

Right, I don't wanna use protection, it's all on you. Also you can't. I need to enjoy sex. I gotta enjoy sex. Are you saying this is gonna happen every month? Right. I'm like, did this man go to sixth grade class about the human body? Does he know what happens to us?

No. That's what's so crazy, he's been married. That's what's so mind blowing to me. It's very like a naive take. Like it's a very young take to me. I think it's more I don't give a fuck. You think so? How can you be 35 years old, married?

So it's like you've had at least one serious relationship. He's married to a woman. Have we heard from the ex? No. I would love to hear from her and hear what she has to say about him. Right, because you would assume that she would, you know, teach him the basics.

Do we know why, did he speak on why their marriage ended? I feel like he did. I honestly, when he speaks, I just hear white noise. I honestly, I feel like it's one of those time portals where he talks for 10 minutes and I come back and I'm like, I don't know what he just said. I don't know what he's talking about. I lost completely. Oh, he's still going. When he did the thing with Marissa in the kitchen,

I lost all respect for that. And I did see him say that it was editing, and he did blame the editing. Of course he did, but like how can... And he said it was out of context, so I'll give him that, but I, you know, and I know it is edited, but you know, you said what you said. But you know what's not out of context?

Him saying, I will divorce you if you were to rejoin the military. Yeah. They just weren't a match. Like, also these are not people who need to be getting married. She didn't need to be getting married either. Most of the people on this cast, like, I just didn't feel the... I'm like, y'all don't even need to be dating. Mm-mm.

I need to... I wish we got more of Alex and Tim. I'm excited for the reunion. Are you? Yes. I'm not. You're not? No, cause I know I'm gonna be disappointed. I'm a reunion host, as you guys know.

Yes. So I, I am built with questions in my head. I have never been no shade to the hosts. We shade them all the time. And because honestly, when, when it comes to the reunions, it's really up to the network, how they cut it, what questions are asked. It's not really on the host.

You could ask it and it gets cut out. I've had that happen where I've asked really dying, hard questions from the fans and they didn't put it in and people were mad at me. So I understand that part. Ultimately, it's how the network wants to do it. But I've never been satisfied from a love that's blind reunion. Not once.

Never. Honestly, they go off on some tangent. It's like the show doesn't want to embrace what it is, which is like they are the villain. The show is the villain. Like, this is not a great show for humanity. Like, y'all are out here trying to embarrass these people. And I'd rather them just own it than to pretend like this is a show about love. Like, no, it's not. This is not a show about love.

That's really TV though. It's, yeah, exactly, but just own it. Like, there are some shows, listen. The Bachelor will never own it. The Bachelor will be like, no, no, no. I love a show that's just like, we grimy, and what, and you go watch. And I'm just like, okay, tell me what you are.

Because we're still gonna watch. And I feel like with Love is Blind, they're like, we didn't include Leo and Brittany because they're not out for the ring. I'm like, if you don't put them on my screen and put them in Miami, I don't care if it's filmed with a camera phone. Send a camera crew to Miami, yes. That was a move.

Like, now's not the time to get self righteous about your characters. There was a moment in the show that really bothered me with Vanessa and they were in, they were shopping for the dresses. And this is just when Nicky and Hannah broke up. So she didn't show up and they were discussing it. And Vanessa comes in and she's like,

what are you guys talking about? And they're like, well, one of the girls didn't show up. It was the time for tea. It was the time to get tea. And she was like, let's focus on the weddings. And I'm like, are you all serious? This is what we are here for. And y'all, I don't give a damn about this lace. Honestly, the dress episodes on the weddings. I'm like, are y'all serious? This is what we are here for.

And y'all, I don't give a damn about this lace. Honestly, the dress episodes are the worst. I'm fast forward through this anyway. Don't nobody watch that. Y'all should just put this in a clip on YouTube because don't nobody watch these fittings. I will see the fitting if this girl walks down the aisle. Otherwise, goodbye.

Thank you. I don't need to see these David Bridal's dresses. Stop. Like, please. The first one they're visibly unhappy with. I'm really shocked. Clearly. I'm like, there has not been one wedding dress

where I've been like, they slayed. I'm like, okay, this is David's Bridal, they don't have a legend. That's fine, they'll have the real wedding later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody's watching for the wedding dresses. Please, y'all could eliminate that. Put that in the clips and trailers. Nobody's also watching the wedding dresses. Please, y'all could eliminate that. Put that in the clips and trailers.

Nobody's also watching the bachelorette parties because what are those? Let's talk about the bachelorette, how the girls got TPs and Taylor Swift bracelets and the man got to go to the VIP suite. I think it's a- A NBA game. NBA game.

Huh? Like what kind of balance is this? Yeah, they said slumber party for the girls. And the guys lay up competition. A slumber party with two people in. That's what I'm saying. That's the shitty part of these bachelorettes. It's like, you get to bring two friends, you get to bring two friends,

and this is your bachelorette party. I'm hanging out with two girls I don't even know. And one of them I don't really even wanna know. And also, there was only two brides this season. They could've splurged. They could've sent them somewhere. Or just do some on a yacht. Two separate bachelor parties.

You had only two brides. The guys got to go do half court shots and do a VIP. Which Tyler was still pissed about. Tyler was like, this is not what I imagined my bachelor party to be. They need to do that more. I don't know why they don't do that. Cause that would be a great time to bring a bunch of friends

who like- You could be ratchet. Yeah, send them to a club. Get all the opinions of friends and be like, I don't know what Carl's doing. That could be drama on the bachelor party. Friends talking shit about, you know. Again, the show pretending their whole stuff.

If you eliminate the dress, the dress try ons, then you can have two episodes of bachelor, bachelorette parties. Or you know what would be fun is like have those bachelorette parties and invite other girls from the pods that are in there, that might still like your man. Like that would give me drama.

I don't want to see them making bracelets and burning candles and drinking milk. Like, what kind of wholesome shit is this? I don't want wholesome when I watch Love is Black. I could turn the hallmark for that. I'm watching this, let's get in the thick of it. That's what I want. And I just wish they would give that us a little bit more,

like, just trying to find, like, the grace of everything. Y'all be in suit. Like, please stop acting like we don't know what's going on behind the scenes and just give it to us. That's what I want. Reunion is not gonna give in his eyes. And honestly, I back it because every other reunion. That's where we come in.

Thank God for you guys. I actually do watch your interviews. When I'm watching the reunion, I'm like, they're not gonna, well, hopefully they covered it. We got some good ones coming up. Oh good, thank God. Because I'm hearing, I've been reading like the little pages with the T dropping from the reunion, and I'm hearing a lot of stuff wasn't explained.

So, I'm not sure. Who do you hear it's not explained from? So, I hear that we don't get the details from Steven and Monica about what was in the text. So, they don't get into it. Weird thing to not get into. I also heard we spend a lot of time on Hannah and Nick D, which I was like, what more is there to say?

It's like you're mean and you need to grow up. Yeah. I mean, they're both immature, just differently. Exactly. And Hannah needs to understand that being like up front and frank doesn't mean that you get a pass to be disrespectful. Absolutely.

Because it's different between being honest and just being nasty to somebody. And she kind of holds this guise of like, I just tell it like it is, I'm like, I do too, girl. But this is why I have friends, because I know how to temper it to people that I care about. And she just clearly didn't like him. Yeah, yeah.

And I just wish she would have just said that. She didn't like him from the jump. She saw him and was like, oh no. Because we don't talk enough about how Nick catfished everybody on this season. He got a pass. I don't know if he catfished. I think people catfished themselves.

Well, he said he, didn't he say he looked like, what did he say he looked like? Henry Cavill, less popular. Boy, please. Henry Cavill, he said that. Henry, yes. I do think they get set up because we, from last season, Chelsea,

we all get asked, we're on dating situations, who do people say you look like or whatever? And I would have been like nobody. That because you're, you're a mature enlightened queen. And you've, you know, and, but you know better. And these people in here are trying to like, pick me because I look like Henry Cavill. Especially it's like you, we shouldn't even be discussing this

because you guys know, which I love the people who are like, I loved that, you know, there were people who were like, I'm not discussing what I look like. I don't care, you know, and that I respect when we're, cause it's like, we know I loved that, you know, there were people who were like, I'm not discussing what I look like, I don't care, you know? And that I respect, because it's like, we know what you're trying to do when you ask who I look like.

Have you met Chelsea? No. I have. And we were hard on her. And I gotta say, in person, you see Megan Fox. Yeah, like her cousin. Sure, but you just see like some guy out at the bars, it's late at night, It's one o'clock Yeah, he has definitely a lot of men have told her she looks like Megan Fox

And so when she got asked the question, she just was foolish enough to like I mean There's there's probably like five people in the world. You shouldn't say you look like right? Even if you do you should probably just not say it. Megan Fox is in that fight, Beyonce. You know what I mean? Well, just anyone who is clearly hotter than you are. Right. And it's nice that when people say, you know you kinda look like so-and-so,

like take that. Right. Feel good about it. Yes, put it on your vision board. Yeah, but be careful how you say it going forward, because people will be like, no you don't. No you don't. And also like.

People say that to you. Right. You can't share that. Right. But they don't know and the thing I will give them is like, I've been in the industry for a long time, I know how to kind of phrase things. When you're, this lady was working on an airline,

she doesn't know what to say on camera. Foxy. And she's in the midst of a conversation. I feel like she got it really bad last season. I, you know, in the moment I was just like, girl, please. But I did feel bad at like saying the comments. I don't feel bad for a lot of these people this season. I'm going to be honest, like they're getting it rightfully so.

But, you know, obviously it should. I think critical is one thing, bullying is another. But I do think like I saw some people from the show like, writing, like, people are being too hard on DC, and it's like, people have a right to watch a show and have an opinion. We have a right to have an opinion. We have a right to not like somebody. Y'all know what you're putting in this show.

Don't try to coddle them now and be like, no, they're really good people. Well, you should have showed us. Right. Because we didn't see it. I said this to some of my peer friends who have gone on reality TV, and then, because obviously on this show, we didn't see it. I've said this to some of my peer friends who've gone on reality TV, and then, because obviously on this show,

we talk about these characters, we try to acknowledge as an edit, but like, you know, we will say snarky things, and I will sometimes remind them, it's just like, it's a little, I don't know, entitled to go on a reality TV show and expect everyone to like you. Like, there are Bennys to going on this shit,

you know, but you gotta be able to deal with some of the other stuff. So just like go turn off your comments, go away, hang out with your friends, enjoy the fame, but stop arguing with the internet. Yeah. I agree. I know that Steven's been arguing with everybody.

Like I've seen it, cause I've been on the pages and I'm like, he argues with everybody. Everybody. And it's like you're the one who needs to be taken at the most. Like you did a trash thing. And listen, I'm of the belief that like a horrible thing doesn't define you.

Like I think you can learn from something and grow. And for his part, he did try to tell this girl he was a cheater. And she was like, oh, she told him she was sorry for him. Sorry you went through that. Like she wasn't paying attention. And these are the clues you look for in dating when you're healthy and healed.

If a man's like, yeah, I'm a serial cheater, it might be, that might be good for a friendship but not for a relationship. I'm not gonna marry that man. And she was just like, she bypassed it. And not that she deserved it, but there were a lot of red flags. I feel like, you know, that she bypassed.

Yeah, I do wish they would have dug a little bit deeper in the Steven and Monica situation. Also, I wish we got more from the Tyler and Ashley. It's like, we're getting snippets and snippets. Oh, that situation. Oh, I'm brokenhearted. Cause I was like, they praying together. Like they are really, and it was like,

I just, listen, I know that they may have talked I was like, they praying together. Like, they are really, and it was like, ugh. I just, listen, I know that they may have talked about stuff off camera, which again, I just kind of feel like is unfair to people watching. Like, we are another cast member. Like, we are watching, we are supporting this show. I kind of am feeling like the show is now just kind of like, you're gonna get what we give you.

And I feel like it's unfair to people who are watching because we're gonna go and seek more and we're gonna be in the comments. We want more and they're not giving it to us. So it's like people gonna try to find it somewhere else. I wonder if they'll adjust. I mean, they have, I think Minneapolis, they've already filmed. I think they filmed DC and Minneapolis together,

like back to back. But I do know like when it comes to the Ultimatum, which is like their like spin-off show, like they do have the hidden cameras. So they, for whatever reason, for Love is Blind, they just decided not to do it. Open the budget for more cameramen. I don't know if it's a budget, I just wonder,

I've heard it's just like they... Well remember they said about Leo and Brittany and whatnot and they were like, we only have X amount of camera people to follow these couples, and that's why we choose five to six. And it's one of the most popular reality shows in the world. Y'all got budget for another.

I don't think it's a budget thing, because the cameras we're all talking about is kind of the- The hidden cameras, for sure. The hidden cameras in the apartments that they're staying at to capture the downtime. But what I'm saying is whether they picked up the scene, or for example, when Alex and Tim

were fighting and then we come into the middle of their argument in Mexico, where it's like, clearly some cameraman had to like come run down to their apartment and start filming, where it's like, why are we not having a cameraman per couple filming the whole fricking thing? Right. Like.

Even if it's, I don't care if there's a camera in the kitchen and living room. Right. But you, or, or listen, you missed the argument. We gotta have a green screen or a recap to tell us where we're at. We should not have to put puzzle pieces together. At this point, put a GoPro on their head.

I wish they wouldn't try, yeah. And they're not, stop recreating the scenes. Yes. That's better than nothing though. It's better than nothing, but. Or just tell me what happened. Like, I'm just kinda like. Yeah. And there's also like, even when they're retelling. It's better than nothing. Or just tell me what happened. I'm just kinda like, and there's also like,

even when they're retelling, there's tidbits missing, like with the Monica and Stephen thing. Or the nap. Yeah. I agree with Nina. I would rather have Monica get into a chair and then Stephen get into a chair and have the producer be like,

all right, what the fuck happened? And have Monica lean in, vent, and have a producer help her get it out, so to speak, and have a producer help him get it out, and then when they cut it, just have Monica and Steven back and forth telling their versions of the story. Well, you can't get us invested

and want us to follow everything along with this couple and then not wanna include the really horrible parts. I mean, y'all got Marissa on her knees, crying her eyes out. Like, y'all can get in there and ask people what's going on. Like, y'all not, it on her knees crying her eyes out. Like, y'all can get in there and ask people what's going on. Like, y'all not, it's not like you were, you know, above it. So I don't know where it's going on with the loops.

It just felt like this season in particular, there were a lot, and I've been on Twitter, and people have been really upset about just feeling like there's holes missing. Like, there's vast holes missing, and it just makes no sense to me. Do you have a favorite? Oh, do I have a favorite? No, I don't.

Is there anything that could make you get back on the Ashley and Tyler train? No, no. Why? Because I just kind of feel like this conversation, if the show knew, and say she knew, and they're editing it. Who's she? Ashley. So if the show knew and Ashley knew, and they're editing it. Who's she?

Ashley. So if the show knew and Ashley knew, they're saying like, maybe there was a conversation that happened off camera where he just didn't talk about it and they didn't include it in the show. Then to me, that's a betrayal to the viewer to keep that up. Or if he left it out,

then that's a betrayal to Ashley from his part. So it's kind of like a lose-lose in my situation. What if he told Ashley off camera and then him and Ashley together as a couple that was just more interested in protecting their relationship? Because I get what you're saying from a show standpoint, but I don't fault the cast members

for not prioritizing us, the viewer. Right, I get that. The production, they need to prioritize us, the viewer, because without us, whatever. But I don't fault Ashley and Tyler. If we find out that they were trying to protect their relationship, and that maybe Tyler and Ashley had an understanding, and she knew the full truth.

But she didn't know. We know from the conversation they had that she didn't know he had kids until after they were engaged. And so for me, that's enough to, that's a huge red flag. And then just the little weird things like, I don't know what they look like. Like that's a blatant lie. Like we know we've seen you in photos with the kids, but why not just say, okay, now if we're coming clean, you can't come 50% clean for a healthy relationship in my opinion. So that's why I can't root for them. Happy for them.

Listen, if you like it, I love it for you. That's what you decided you wanna do. It doesn't look great for a marriage to start on half truths. So that's my only concern. It's like, that's totally fair. Yeah, it's half truth. But if I were to try to be empathetic to Tyler and Ashley, it's just like, that's totally fair. Yeah, it's the whole truth. But if I were to try to be empathetic

to Tyler and Ashley, it's just like, I think this environment in which they, yes, agreed, they signed up for, they certainly had an understanding of they're gonna be in the pods and things like that, but as I always say, you don't really know what you signed up for until you get into that environment. And we do know, while Tyler definitely lied, didn't share, it sounds like our understanding is he eventually came

to Ashley and said, there is something I need to tell you. I just feel like I think these environments that these people go in happen so fast and so quickly. And I think their head is kind of spinning. So I'm willing to offer Tyler, like Grace, to be like, sure, because it's just like, let's try to have like a real life conversation. I think almost the Garrett and Taylor of it all,

you know, he got a text from his ex, right? And then like he got that text in the middle of like they're getting ready, they're on their way to a party. You ever happen where it's like, you know you need to tell your friend or your partner something, you're just like, no, like now, right now is not the best time. Because it's like, oh, when do I tell him? Because if I tell him now, you know you need to tell your friend or your partner something you're just like no like now right now is not the best time because it's like when do

I tell him because if I tell him now you know and yeah you want to tell him and it's like you're not hiding it you're not you know what I'm saying with text yes babies no no no I'm not defending it a little different when you're meeting in the pause you're surrounded by cameras and you're just like when's the best time to share this wouldn't the pause be the're surrounded by cameras, and you're just like, when's the best time to share this? But wouldn't the pause be the time to be the most transparent? Yes, of course.

I've just like- I can't get over that. I'm willing to understand that Tyler, why he made a bad decision, and why I'm willing to give him a little grace, given the environment he's in, without a single actual support system. But what about when he still didn't come clean about,

like okay, he kind of skewed it, like he still omitted information. Oh, the lie about him not knowing what he looked like? Right, like well just basically calling them, well calling them sperm babies is kind of harsh when he's literally in their lives and. To me that gave, I wanted to tell you this off camera because it happened off camera and they made him sit down

and give us some context like they did. And it gave, like, Tyler not willing or feeling comfortable to give the show what they wanted. And he spoke in kind of like that. And then I'm gonna assume, because they ended up getting married, that Ashley had whatever conversation she needed and he's spoken kind of like that, and then I'm gonna assume, because they ended up getting married, that Ashley had whatever conversation she needed.

And again, who knows? Maybe, who knows? We've heard from the baby mama, and she's not happy. She don't stop talking. Right, I mean, she's- She's all over the map, though. Yeah, I mean, I don't know this woman at all, so we know she has receipts to an extent.

I just think this would be incredibly hard if I was dating him, this would be incredibly hard for me to get over. Like some things I think you can accept someone's apology for and move forward and also say this was too much. And for me as a viewer, I'm like, I'm not saying he's a horrible person, but he kind of did a horrible thing.

And I think, like, if we're talking about, to me, marriage is so sacred, I just kind of feel like this is inexcusable behavior. Now, this doesn't make this guy a serial killer. Like, I'm not saying we can't give him grace, but I am saying, like, from what we've seen, because that's all we can go off of, right? And what we've heard from the baby mama, it doesn't look great to get into a new partnership

when there's so much like murkiness in the background. Like, when you get married, I feel like you should just put, listen, let's put it on the table, my credit is bad, I own these, I got listen. Because his debt is, this woman is saying she's gonna sue him, that's gonna be Ashley's debt. So it's just kind of like, that's stuff she needs to know. And it's just to me,

it's a little unforgivable to operate like that. Do you think Vanessa and Nick will ask any questions about that? Do you think we'll get any clarity at reunion? I feel like Vanessa and Nick just looking at the pretty colors, Jeff. I don't know. I know.

No, no, no. Let's talk about our relationship. I mean, I just don't think. But that's so us. Yeah. It's all she does. She just brings it back to them every time. I just think they're so far removed.

I honestly think they're so far removed from life. Yeah, they don't care. I don't know if they don't care, but I just kind of feel like you can kind of tell when people get fed stuff from producers and when they're like in the thick of it. Because you have a different type of passion when you in the thick of it and you asking questions than when you're like being kind of prepped. I'm not sure how involved they are.

I can't speak to that, but it just, I feel like they just feel like, let's get this done and like we, you know, this is a cute, like this is a cute little show and we go back to our amazing lives and I don't feel like I walk away with like they got them, they got into it. Except for, I will say when they brought up the text from the guy, Trevor, that I kind of felt like they got into it in the weeds and that was one of the few times I was like, okay, good, we got something from them.

We spoke with Micah from, you think it was season four? Season four. And she was there during that. Yes. She was in that live audience and she was like, it was so hard to watch because they were like, it was, like it wasn't like, ooh, this is tea. It was like, this is like awkward and uncomfortable.

And we're like coming at him at a really weird angle. So I, I don't know if their delivery, when we do get the tea, it's like, is their delivery a question? Oh, it's hard. Yeah, I had to do, when I did the Basketball Rives reunion, I had to play a secret tape and none of the cast knew we had the audio.

Did you get dirty looks? I just looked straight ahead. I'm gonna be honest because I know the cast and I had to drop an audio. Like Evelyn had an audio that she didn't know we got because she was still mic'd up and talking about Jen's fiance and basically was like, she's not street smart. And I had to present this audio in her basically saying like, this is not a good relationship. We don't know what's going on with her. And her friend thought she was supportive of the relationship

up until that point. And as a host, I was like, fuck. This is going to be, I like them both. This is going to be so hard. But I had to do my job. And so we had to do it. But in the studio, it was very uncomfortable. But when it was edited and shown to the fans,

they were incredibly happy. And ultimately, I feel like my service is not to the cast members. My service is to the people who are watching, because that's who's keeping the show on air and they deserve to know what's going on. And so ultimately, it's like, you know what you know how it is. Like, you know what you sign up for to an extent when you do these shows. And so you might get, you know, things thrown at you.

So I just, you know, it's I have an interesting perspective on it, but it is, to your point, like very awkward in person when you're doing it, but you gotta do it. Yeah. Did you think, going back to Alex and Tim, did you think Alex taking a nap was fucked up? Were you like, what, whose side were you on during that? I didn't think it was breakup worthy.

I think Tim wanted to end that relationship. I felt like they just hated each other. Yeah, I just don't think they liked each other. And I think sometimes when you're in, it's almost like you want to see it through because you want to prove to yourself you can do it. But a lot of these people clearly just didn't like each other. I'm like, y'all don't like each other.

You know, it's just... And that's okay. As soon as she was like, I hate that hat, and he's like, I'm buying this hat, I was like, he wants her to break up with him. Right, yeah. Like, he just, he also had this thing where I felt like he was, had to prove that he was masculine and this alpha dog as he would like to say.

And I just, I thought it was very odd, but I thought like, listen, if my fiance, my new fiance's parents had just, you know, driven several hours to come see us, am I taking a nap? Probably not. Like I'm gonna get some coffee. I'm gonna make, you know,'m gonna get some coffee. I'm gonna

make, you know, I'm gonna power through. I'm gonna make sure that they're fed there. They feel comfortable, make sure that they need anything. I'm probably not gonna take a nap. I'll probably take, I would probably, even if I was tired, just be like, I'm gonna thug it out for this because this is my first time eating. However, like she, she told us, she was like, I get these bouts of tiredness and I don't know why, but sometimes I need to go. She could have been overwhelmed, the filming, it is like incredibly draining to meet new people,

filming and she had to work. So I understand her needing it. And she said she took an hour nap. I mean, it wasn't like she went to bed and came out the next day. Yeah. She took an hour nap while you was at the store. Like, so, but I understand the frustration, but I side more with her on this than Tim,

because Tim to me comes across incredibly just like very selfish. And I think he does things for the way it looks, but not because the intent is actually like pure. Like it's like, this is what you're supposed to do. So this is what I'm gonna do. But I mean, clearly he doesn't mean it. Yeah. I wish he wouldn't have read that letter to her dad. Yeah.

Well, he didn't have to go through with any of that in the actuality of it. And it seems like he tried to break up with her in Mexico. They rekindled. That's where it should have ended. So for you to- That is where it should have ended. To commit to the bit with the dad and everything, that makes me just not like him,

because I'm just like so unnecessary, and it's her first engagement. Like don't take that away from like her dad who might not even be here for her actual engagement. Like, you know. And at the time, maybe he had fooled himself into thinking that this was still something he wanted. Yeah, I don't fault.

I mean, I get what you're saying, but I think they're just so caught up in it. And every time they try to break up, I do think there's people saying, hey, listen, this happens, you know, let's see if there's something still there, you know, like just so I can also in any fight, you fight, you react, then you kinda calm,

you calm down and you reengage. So I think, you know, would it have been nice for him not to do that? But I think it's- He was caught up in the moment. I think he was caught up in the moment. And I think that was sincere of him to do, I think that's something he would want to do

for the person he marries. So I think he was just more caught up in- But Tim had a lot of gestures that people just didn't understand, like giving her the bracelet from his sisters. And like, you know, you knew this, I'm not giving that up for, I don't know, you a week or two.

Like it just felt, I feel like Tim has a list of what he thinks a husband should do. And he's just like, I'll do this, I'll do, but is this really what you wanna do? Because it doesn't seem like, I don't, I feel like he wanna marry that dog. Like he always give the pictures, it's all like, you don't wanna be with nobody but yourself.

And it's not as selfless as he portrays it to be because that's why he reacts the way he does because her napping is more about like, I did all of this for your family and this was your response. So it's extra triggering for him because the things he does for his partner come with a cost.

They come with a, make sure you do this for me. Which we, a lot of people, you know. It did bother me that she had just heated up those wings and you wanted to have that conversation. Oh, right, she ate all day. She hadn't eaten all day. And then they're sitting on the coffee table, getting cold again.

Yeah. I just, you know, I just feel like there was no maturity in this relationship from the way that they argued to me. Like if I love you and we have a misunderstanding, I'm trying to understand your perspective so that we can move forward. I'm not just trying to be right. And with him, he was just kind of standing on principle.

That's how you argue with a stranger. Like, you don't argue with your fiance this way. And, like, the things they were breaking up over, I felt like the more, like, offensive thing clearly happened in Mexico, where somebody put their hands on someone else. That, to me, was a deal breaker, but if we're back in this, and we talking about a nap.

Mm-hmm. And a text back. Right. And the texting, it just felt, it felt a little controlling to me. Like, you know, and also like, he's not willing to bend, you have to bend to him. And I never like people like that, where it's like, I have to be the one to adjust to all of your will, and you're not able to see me. What? Reach.

I don't like that. Ooh. That was good. We both gotta get something out of it. Exactly. You know? Well, next week we'll be getting some answers, I promise you guys.

I hope, well listen, I'm excited for you guys, because like I said, I'm not really excited for this week. We do have some good interviews. You do, you did? It is someone that you. Dislike? because like I said, I'm not really excited about this. We do have some good interviews. It is someone that you... Dislike? Yeah, well, you dislike all of them.

No. I like Taylor. I like Taylor a lot. Taylor Slade. I like her a lot. And Gareth's hair, I like his hair. His new hair? You like his new hair?

I like his new hair. Well, do you guys know I called this, right? You know I tweeted a side by side, like a month ago that went viral. So I tweeted a side by side like a month ago that went viral So I tweeted a side by side of his cast picture in the picture of him with you found that you I know I'm not getting credit for it at all No, I posted it and then the like the Netflix page posted it like a week later But I posted the original one. It has millions of views on it.

And I did the side by side and was like, this is how I know they got married. And I literally put, this is how I know they got married because this is a wife glow up. That is a wife glow up. You are 100% right. I cannot believe that Netflix didn't credit you. I mean, I guess it's the perspective anybody can take, but I definitely posted it first.

You found it first. You found it first. You found it first. And you made the side by side. Yes, and did the side by side first. You can check the receipts. If Getty Images can come after you, I think you should be able to come after Netflix.

But I literally saw the hairline and was like, oh, this is a married man's hairline. Someone's cooked. Here. Moving on from Love is Fine a little bit, and I do have a question before you go. I'm curious your thoughts on celebrities clapping back, so to speak.

Chappell Rhone, have you seen this? What are your thoughts on this? Because we love a clap back. We love being someone putting in their place, but a lot of people have a lot of different opinions about Chappell Rhone. She's on a red carpet. Is this like the second time she's done this?

It's the same photographer. It's the same one? Yeah, it's the same photographer, Pap, from the Grammys event where she originally was like, you don't disrespect me like that. Same photographer at this event she walked up to was like, I recognize you, you disrespected me. And then you owe me an apology. But then she already called him out then? No, she just told him to like fuck himself or something on the first red carpet.

This one she saw him and was like, no, you actually owe me an apology. When she said not me, not like fucking not me. So she was saying, like, don't talk like that in front of me. The second one was her just like going up to him being like, look, I know who you are. I love that she's able to like defend herself. I just hate for her that like someone got to her. Yeah. And that, you know, publicly, she's out there reacting. It's like, yeah, you know how it is, reacting. It's like... Yeah.

You know how it is though, I feel like you're not allowed to be human when you're a celeb. And the truth is you're not. Like the part of the game is you get to have these things, you get to have these accolades, the money, the attention, the videos, the yachts, the private jets. And the one thing you have to do is control yourself.

And even when it's unfair. And that's the downside. You don't have a ton of downsides, but you have a few. And one of them is you have to have self-control because the even if you're right, it still looks a certain way. Because when you have, you know, money and fame, people give you way less grace to be human. So it's like, you gotta pick and choose your battles.

If this is a battle she chose to fight, okay, but if it's a pattern, people are gonna judge her for it. Which is unfortunate, because how many of us want to see somebody in the street that disrespected us and walk up to them and point at them and be like, well, how many of us do that, though? How many of us see somebody we don't like and we just, like, well, how many of us do that? How many of us see somebody we don't like and we just like, okay, well.

And it doesn't stop now. People are gonna do it more to chapel because that's what trolls troll. They do it to Cardi B. Yeah, and when there's nothing a troll loves more than for you to respond to them and let them know you see them. It validates them.

And what bothers me is there are people who will seek, like when she's out in public, there are people who will seek physical reactions from you because they know your weakness now, right? And they know you're gonna do something. And people will seek you out. People are grimy. They'll seek you out to do something. They want you to confront them and hit them or whatever.

They can sue you. So it's like, if you let people know you have a thin skin, then you know, they may react. But at the same time, you know, I'm always here for a woman standing up for herself. But is it necessary to point out this, like what is his apology gonna do? Like you're gonna see him again.

You know someone who does red carpets, like you see these people all the time. Like he's almost becomes like work family. And they are aggressive. And we don't even know who this person is to. We still don't know. We still don't even know. Those photographers are aggressive.

They're demanding, they're aggressive. It's look over here, it's look over here, smile, smile. It's not personal most of the time. No, it's, they're doing their job. They're just trying to get the shot. You know, people think red carpets are fun. It's like, they're actually, I have PTSD from, like, they're aggressive, they're crazy,

you're being pulled in all kinds of directions. It's chaotic. So sometimes you have to understand it's not like, they're yelling at everybody, they're just trying to get the shot. And also they're, you're far away. So they're like, hey, you know, look over here. Like they're yelling next to people

who are yelling next to them. So it sounds more to me, White noise. More aggressive than it is. Yeah. But you know, I'm here for a class. You know, I love a read. Do we have anything more for Nina before we let her go?

I don't know. I kind of need to say all day. I would love to. I just appreciate you guys. Can you come back? I'll come back. First of all, I live down the street. So I'll come back anytime. But also you guys have given me a therapeutic session of Love is Blind because I needed to talk about this show with somebody. That's what we're here for.

Please come back after the reunion. Oh my God, listen, I'm waiting with Beta Breath for this reunion, I don't have high expectations. I hope that I'm proven wrong. Selfishly, I kind of, I love it when Nick and Vanessa lay an egg because that's when people come to us. Totally. I love to pick up their slacks.

You guys should have your own reunion. We should have our own. We do our best to try to give our version of it. You do a great job, and I'm gonna be honest, this is just true tea, you guys do an amazing job of really just filling, this is, I was gonna say filling those holes, but this is not that kind of podcast,

but I just mean like filling the void of like what, when someone really is invested in a show and you guys do a great job of filling that void and just being like, oh, thank God there's like something there, so I appreciate that. And you, you be, you don't hold back, so I love that. Thank you. Yeah, you give it to them in a gentle way.

That's why you get away with it. You're not like a aggressive. No, Nick is good at like like when there's a question that needs to be answered and people try to dance around it. You say, oh, that's all cool and stuff. But my question was. It's a good, just as another host, like honestly, just to compliment you, it's very hard

to ask hard questions to people who when you meet them, they're actually pleasant. Yeah. And so what I say now is I didn't like you on the show. Yeah. But I don't know you. Right. But I say now is I didn't like you on the show. Yeah. But I don't know you. Right. But on the show, I wasn't a fan.

I've had that happen actually a couple times with people in real life. And we've ended up being really cool. But it's hard to ask those questions. Yeah. Because majority of the time, when you meet someone in person, and I think people, you know, behind screens struggle with this, it's like when you meet someone

in person, nine times out of 10, you like them. They're nice. Totally. They're gorgeous, they're funny. They have a sense of humor. You see the person in them. And so yeah, it is hard when you get them sitting on this couch to then be like. Back to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The thing that everyone hates about you, let's get to it. And that's why it's not easy to do something like this. And that's why you gotta give a lot of credit. People think it's easy to have conversations and it's actually not. Well, I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, it's okay easy to do something like this, and that's why you gotta give a lot of credit. People think it's easy to have conversations, and it's actually not. Well, I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, just get it.

I like to get flowers when I can. Well, thank you. Well, I look at it too, as someone who knows what it's like to go on these shows and be criticized and not be able to kind of control your story. These types of longer forms allow these characters to humanize themselves if they're willing to allow us to get to know them and show that.

And when people do that, people always have a different perspective. You know, like I think sometimes we watch these shows expecting these characters to be something that they could never be. We want them to be perfect and we want them to handle things in ways that honestly, we didn't even know if we would in those situations. And I think sometimes we can be a little harsh and

critical. And I think when they come and sit on this couch, sometimes we can see ourselves in them and be like, well, you know, actually, honestly, I was going to be honest. Yeah, that's true. And we're hard on reality. Like reality is hard, you know, to do. And that's why I'll never do it. Yeah. They would get me up out of here. I'll see there. Yeah. Oh, well, I'll see there. They would get me up outta here. I'll see there, yeah. I just don't have much patience for like the blaming of the edit, like the rams of stuff. We know there's an edit,

but like your position on birth control and your ignorance around periods, like that's. He's your least favorite. Yeah. I hate a man pretending to be an ally. Yeah, that's what it is. And being the literal opposite. That's what it's like.

I actually don't care if you're an ally or not, but just let me know why. And that's why it was so hard with him because he tricked us. And the and birth control, that conversation on birth control and the conversation on period sex is the most ignorant and lack of giving a shit about your woman partner. Again, for someone who's married, it's not like he didn't know better.

He just never cared to learn. Who knew I would have to side with Marissa's mom? That's what I'm the most mad at. He done made me side with her. I loved her mom. You did? I wasn't a fan, but now. I love it when a parent doesn't give a shit about,

I've seen too many parents. Be too nice. Well, just see the cameras and like become fans of the show and then they're sitting with their kid who's like being kind of like, in this experiment, being kind of emotionally like warped and their kid needs them. This is their first time they've had a support system

and God knows how long. And the parents are caring more about the cameras and because I know how it's like, I actually love the parents, even if it comes across as a little critical, a little harsh. I love the parents that can say, my kid needs me right now. I don't give a fuck about the cameras

and that was Marissa's mom for me. You always need somebody, a family member who don't care. Exactly. You gotta have that in your pocket. So, I appreciate that. Well, Nina, thanks so much for coming. Where can the people follow you, find you, enjoy all the great stuff that you're doing?

Yeah, so all my socials are the same. It's the Nina Parker across the board. So that's where you can find me. And I also, you know, just to do a little pluggy plug. I have my clothing line at Macy's that people can buy. She's wearing it right now. I'm wearing it right now. It's for the curvy girls.

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From Good Morning America and ABC Audio, Pop Culture Moms, find it wherever you get your podcasts. We love us. I'm Nita Parker. So much fun. We should have her back. I love her, yeah. What I didn't love though was Heather, Tamara coming after Emily's kids. More Tamara. Because we're really confused by the situation too.

It seemed weird that they... I... Now they put it on. I was making dinner. And so I wasn't able to like look at every scene. And then I heard the accusation and it just felt like wait what is going on why is someone blaming I thought the kids were off limit I kind of stopped what I was doing burnt dinner because I was like isn't this like not allowed in the housewives world Gina's like soundbite being like they're

like eight and six they have no concern they're worrying about what's in their lunchbox and what time it was a weird thing too because because Tamara was like, well, I heard Katie babysat Emily's kids and Emily's kids said something to Katie's kid. Yeah. So then therefore Emily must be talking about Heather all the time. Yeah, because then I was like, okay, are we mad at Emily right now?

I was like, which? The kids, the kids, and then the mom. But then to find out, no, no, no, Katie's daughter babysat Emily's children and started talking about Heather. That is where this has stemmed from. That's where it was, but then even Emily was like, well, I shut that conversation down real fast,

being like, no, we don't make those comments. But even still, it's just like, if, you know, any of the kids, whether it's Katie's child who's older, older-ish, she's even on the show, or if you have kids who are younger, like, of course your kids are gonna think it's cool. Your mom's on TV, it's like, of course they're gonna talk about it.

And what do these kids have in common? The ones babysitting, the younger kids, well both their moms are housewives, they work together. Of course it's gonna come up. And I just think it seems so fucked up that they use that as a way to throw her kid under the bus as if she's gossiping and starting drama.

And the specific comment that they brought up was that the kid said she's mean to your mom, referring to Katie. Whatever she said. She's bossy, but it's like, so you're mad at what Emily's kid said about Katie, so it's like you're looping in people of that don't need to be involved.

It just feels like this was an episode of Tamra bringing things to the table, to the national television that didn't need to be brought to television, along with the whole Shannon and Gina throwing Travis down the stairs. It was clear that that's something Gina probably did not wanna talk about on camera.

And it's like, well, now you've brought this in front of cameras, in front of all of these women, and now this is something that we have to talk about. So it felt very much like a- Gina's reaction was correct. Cause you saw her on her face, she's like, really, we're gonna do this. Is this how that went down?

Because it's like, Tamara is involved in everything, loves to throw everybody under the bus, but then claim that she's being this good person by telling you where it's like, well, first of everything, loves to throw everybody under the bus, but then claim that she's being this good person by telling you where it's like, well, first of all, you engaged in the conversation. This conversation happened over a year ago, so why do you feel the need to bring it up right now in front of cameras?

And where were you involved? Cause you're an ass. I am so Team Jen. I mean, she absolutely ate the housebooth slay down. She killed it. Absolutely. For the Tamara of it slay down. She killed it. Absolutely. For the Tamra of it all or? For all of it.

She handled this entire episode with such grace and such like standing on business. And Tamra continuously, what is he gonna put a hit on me? Yeah. What are you gonna hit me? Like. What is those reactions?

Just victimizing herself while she's literally doing the dirty work. She takes zero accountability, zero responsibility. Even when everybody came at her being like, we're not, she's like, what, we're all gonna gang up on me. And it's like you're throwing accusations out at the dinner table. Then when everyone's saying, hey, no, we just want you to take some accountability, it's everybody's picking on you. So you can pick on everybody when you feel like everyone's got your back. But the second people are like, hey, look at yourself.

She's like, stop bullying me, you guys. It's the word choice she uses too. She uses very strong words that become very legally blurred. The hit on me, the participating, the victim blank, all of that's like, these are words you can just- There was that part when she was like, you hurt my feelings, and that really resonated with me

after her recent kind of- Can't feel empathy. Yeah. But- Yeah. Like publicly being like, I don't know how to feel empathy. Yeah. But. Yeah. Like publicly being like, I don't know how to feel empathy. And all of a sudden,

guys, I just want you to know that those words really hurt my feelings. And I was like, wait, I'm sorry. Again, I don't know how it all works in her world, but. Even the spin where it's like, that Shannon's trying to get and break up her and Jen's friendship, where I'm like, you've done this yourself

for the last two seasons. Like literally throwing this woman under the bus, throwing her boyfriend under the bus, throwing out wild accusations and then sitting there being like, no, it's Shannon for showing this text message, trying to get involved and break up our friendship. And it's like, you're doing a great job yourself,

but you wanna take zero accountability for that? I did appreciate Gina standing up for Shannon being like, I would like you to stop with the alcohol thing. Yeah. After Tamara goes, you're a liar and a drunk. Yeah, and she was like, uh, stop that right there. Let's just not. That's enough of that. And the bit is done, Tamara.

The bit is done 10 episodes ago. But this is what I'm saying. We're not even talking about her alcoholism. We're not talking about her DUI. And yet, you're still feeling the need to throw it in there to make your point. And it's just like, no, you don't even fight like well, you know what I mean? We're like, oh, well, I have nothing left to say to you. I know that I'm under the attack,

so therefore you're a drunk. How about that? That's what I said. It's the word choice. Yeah. She's going to choose violence with the word she uses. It was funny too to see Shannon and Heather talk, and then Heather being like, I never, like we never discussed it being like, I can't bring it to the group. And then the flashbacks were literally. I didn't even need the flashback. I remembered it. I remembered it too. And then the flashback was, we don't have to bring this to the group.

The agenda was on point. She's like, you gotta pull your head out of her ass. Cause Heather is like, Tamara's number one supporter. But I also think Heather's watched Tamara do this to so many people that she's like, I'm staying in the background. That's my best friend. You really think Tamara might be put on pause next season?

You think her job's in jeopardy? Honestly, people hate her this season. And there's just like, usually when you have a villain of a season, there's still something that's like endearing or something that you're kind of rooting for or some growth. But like after what, 18 seasons, like this is Tamra. The thing is too, Tamra is one of the OG people

to be put on pause. So Dorinda coined the pause term, but like, or sorry, Tamra was- Originally, yeah. Original, and then she literally was removed until what, season 16? She probably took three or four seasons off, I think. And then she was brought back for a full-time cast.

So it's like, she is one of the OG pause people. So it's like, they can do it once, they can do it again. Did you know everything that happened in the etiquette class? Would you have passed that? Absolutely not. I wouldn't have either. What would I have passed, do you think? Do you break the bread rolls with your fingers? Absolutely. Yeah, you would have passed that? Absolutely not. I wouldn't have either. What would I have passed, do you think? Do you break the bread rolls with your fingers? Absolutely.

Yeah, you would have passed that. That was like the most simple one there. What was the one that was most shocking? You're not supposed to like butter your bread or something? The whole piece of bread. The whole piece of bread that you're not supposed to cut with the butter knife. You're just gonna butter one at a time?

One bite at a time. Yeah, for each bite. Doesn't that, and then we're And then we have our own butter? You have a butter knife and you have a knife. So you're using the butter knife. Is it our own butter? It's your own butter. Otherwise it would seem like a double dipsitch.

That's a good question. I wrote some of them down. So it's silverware on the right. Back not touching the seat when you're sitting. So it means you have good posture if you're sitting up. Index finger flat on the silverware, and then you break rolls with the fingers, and then the butter. I'm not one for table manners per se,

but I gotta say, I feel like as a society, we've really lost our way. Maybe we need to bring back some table etiquette. Do you put the napkin on your lap at a restaurant? Yes. I don't do that one. I do it for Nick when he falls down. And then it falls, and then like two seconds later,

he's like, where's my napkin? And I was like, it's on the floor. He's got mine. I don't do this one, because what are you supposed to do when you need to wipe your hands? You're wiping your lap now? Pick it up.

And then you put the dirty napkin back onto your clothes? You wipe the inside of it. But you're supposed to like get the crumbs, you know? I like it to be the dirty to be like not next to me. So how are you eating? Are you over the plate? I'm not messy, I don't throw it everywhere, you know? Do we think Shannon was telling the truth about the fact that he's a little bit of a jerk? the dirty to be like not next to me. So how are you eating? Are you over the plate? I'm not messy, I don't throw it everywhere, you know?

Do we think Shannon was telling the truth about Tamra being involved? Yes. Yes. I felt like that situation was very much like a, like when I was younger, my sister would be like, I dare you to sneak out, like I bet you won't sneak out. And then I'd sneak out and then she'd go tell my mom, Natalie snuck out.

And it's like, but you didn't tell mom that you're the one who dared me to. My sister's done this to me. You know, like you were't sneak out. And then I'd sneak out and then she'd go tell my mom, Natalie snuck out. And it's like, but you didn't tell mom that you're the one who dared me to. You know, like you were involved in this. And it's like Tamra and Shannon doing things together. And then Tamra going to the people being like, it was all Shannon. When you initiated it. Cause I don't even think that like looking up information

is like all that. Like if Shannon did Google or find some tea on Gina. Like even if it were true. That situation speaks louder for me because Shannon was literally like, you knew more about it than I did. You were talking about Gina, not me. Yeah.

So that gives, and Shannon participated and then like to Natalie's point, it was like then she got thrown under the bus. I believe Shannon because her response, again, who knows about editing, it seemed like she didn't look up to the left, she didn't pause, she wasn't like, uh, uh, she didn't seem like she got caught in a lie,

she was just like- Confused. No, she wasn't even confused. She was like, you did this. She was like, well that's how I met her. It's Tamra, like really? She was so calm, and so like really. To Natalie's point too, I'm like,

I can very much see Tamra being like, you need to have all of your ducks in the row for reunion, you should know this about Gina, be ready to go, and then Shannon's like okay, cool, I'll have all of this stuff. She didn't bring up one thing. And she was actually feuding with Gina. And we know that Tamara's willing to like set up

I guess anyone because a couple weeks ago, Tamara is trying to throw Shannon under the bus for spending money on gifts that we know she didn't pay for and Shannon's talking to the audience as if Shannon's wasting her money on things she can't afford when clearly that's not what was going on. So Tamara has proven to speak on things that are just blatantly false in order to throw her co-stars under the bus. And did you catch, this was Shannon's birthday trip, right? Tamara was the one that held the birthday cake

when they came to sing it, cause Shannon walked away. And I was like, girl. I missed that. I was like, that's some petty behavior. Tamara was like, let me. Shannon was like, I'm done. Like I'm actually done.

Well, we are excited to hear all of Shannon's thoughts and feelings about all this drama. She is on Reality Recap this Thursday. You will not want to miss that. Up next, Chandler Kinney from Dancing with the Stars and Pretty Little Liars is with us to talk about her time on Dance with the Stars. Let's get to Chandler.

Chandler, welcome. Hi. So excited to have you. I'm so excited to be here. How have you been? I've been good. I've just been dancing my pants off. Dancing your pants off. Yeah. You were very good. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. How have you been? I've been good. I've just been dancing my pants off. Dancing your pants off.

You were very good. Thank you. Yeah, Nellie and I, my wife who couldn't make it today, she, we went and we were very impressed with your dancing. Wait, what week did you go? Two weeks ago. You were there for the Tarzan, right? No.

Oh, no, for the back flips. We were there when Joey and Danny did back flips. Yeah, the back flips. What was it though? What was the theme? Oh, hair metal. Oh, Gene Simmons. Yeah, the back flips. What was it though? What was the theme? Oh, hair metal, oh, Gene Simmons. No, it wasn't, no, it was when, Rosie Perret.

Sole night. Rosie Perret, sole night. She was the celebrity guest. So I quite literally danced my pants off that night. I didn't wanna say. Thank you. Thank you everybody, I'll be here all day. Has it been a really fun experience or nerve-racking or both?

All of the above. Okay. It's been incredible. Like, I don't think that there's any experience like it, which makes me sad because I don't want it to end and it's slipping away so quickly. But yes, also incredibly nerve-racking. I think my anxiety is at an all-time high. Do you know you're an anxious person?

Yeah, you know. I am. In the last couple person? Yeah, you know. I am. In the last couple years, I tend to be. That's kind of my homeostasis. Are you anxious? Not really. Do I? I get nervous before things, but for the most part.

You don't ever seem anxious to me. Because I think it's a mental state of mind, and at the end of the day, this is gonna end at some point. Well yeah, but I have. That's true. So what's the point of struggling? I'm definitely an emotionally strong person, but I don't know why,

I just sometimes I feel like my chest is gonna explode. Well you also internalize, you get quiet and we're like, all right, Nick has left this planet, but for the most part, you can also do anything and you're fine. How long have you dealt with that? Honestly, just the last couple years.

Really? Welcome. Yeah, well, happy to be here. Hope to not stay for long. Was it being chased around by Serial Killer for a couple years? Something to do with that for sure. Yeah, you know a little something about that. Yeah, no, Pretty Little Liars was a very intense shoot and honestly, I do think it kind of started around that time

but it was just, it was hard all around. It's like a tough show that's super dark and you're like embodying these characters that are literally like in life or death situations. So living in that world, and then also we filmed in upstate New York where the sun just doesn't shine during the winter months. So it was, yeah, I think that's kind of was the seed.

And then, you know, just a lot of, just life, life is life-ing. You've been a performer for a long time. How has Dancing with the Stars been different than what you're used to, or is it kind of par for the course? It's very different. I have never really done live performance, so that is its own thing.

I think as an actor with a lot of past experience in TV and film, you get really comfortable with the idea of there always being like another take if you really need it. So if you flub a line, director calls cut, you go back to one, it's fine. That doesn't exist on Dancing with the Stars, the live show.

And not only, you know, as an actor, you're like just focused on the person that you're talking to in the scene. Psychologically, like that is, it's just you and your scene partner. And yeah, there's a crew of maybe like 100 people, but that's still kind of, it still feels pretty intimate on a soundstage.

In the ballroom where there's a lot of people, and then you also know that the cameras are broadcasting that live to millions all around the country. Yeah, that's just a lot for the break to take in. The live show, yeah on just freaked me out. Because I had reality TV experience before I did Dancing with the Stars. You know it's on TV, but you're kind of used to cameras

being around, different than acting. But when I walked out the week one in the live audience, that I'm not prepared for this. There's no energy, there's no cut. There's no cut, people are watching you, it's just like, I didn't even honestly think about it being broadcasted. It was the live audience that like really got in my head.

Yeah, yeah, it was a mindfuck for sure. The other thing about it too is I am really comfortable with bringing other stories to life. Like as an actor, that's all I do. I tell other people's stories. I have a lot of like comfort in that space of like not being out in the front like that. It's my character.

I put it all on her. And Dancing with the Stars is all about you and like people getting to connect with who you are and telling your own story. And I'm like, where's my script? Like, what am I supposed to say? You know? It's probably more vulnerable, right?

It's so, it's incredibly vulnerable. And so I think that's been one of my biggest challenges. I think especially in this season where there are so many people that their, like, quote unquote, rise to fame has been as themselves, you know? So they're very comfortable, like, I think, existing in their own body

in that way for others to perceive. Does that make sense? Good point. Well, yeah, it's a challenge. You know, Dancing with the Stars is still reality TV. Yeah. And like, yeah, as a reality TV star, they are commenting on you, the person,

but the challenge is you are still a character. You're whatever version the show wants you to be or how they portray you. And that's the challenge there is like, you know they're commenting on you, but they're commenting on what they think you are or how they perceive you. And that's the challenge there is like, you know they're commenting on you, but you know they're commenting on what they think you are or how they perceive you to be. So that's the mind fuck of trying not to let that

bother you. Like as an actor you can, I'm assuming completely disconnect from the character and being like, they're talking about a character. I didn't write the scene, you know? Yeah, I mean it's still like, there's still this like very deep like synergy, I think, between you and your character,

because it is like your emotions that are, it's just a different vehicle, you know? It's a different vessel. And so like when people talk about the character, I don't take it as personally, especially like on Pretty Little Liars. Like my character, her name is Tabby, she's a cinephile. She like loves movies,

and every other sentence she was like quoting a movie. And some people didn't love that. I mean I was like, Queen, she's like a walking encyclopedia. I love that. Thank you. Try 10. I still like movies. A scene.

I think men are very movie quote people. They are. I feel like, I don't know. That is true. So true. Glad she was popular with the guy. Oh no. I loved Tabby.

No, I thank you, I do too. She's very near and dear to my heart. So when you're not entertaining people and acting, what do you love to do most on your free time? Oh, isn't that a scary question? I'm honestly like learning that. I discovered like a year or two ago that I didn't really have that many hobbies

because just as a child actor, you like it's so consuming and like all encompassing. So that was a bit of like a quarter life crisis for me. And then I realized it was actually affecting like every area of my life. So I was like, I need to get a life outside of the job. So I like, I'm still like pretty artsy. I'm so grandma.

I like to scrapbook. Yeah, I love it. It's like not only a way, cause I'm such a collector. I like will take, like if you were to give me like a napkin and it like had like your logo on it, I would keep it and scrapbook it. Like I keep everything.

We'll give you one. Yeah. Really? Do you guys have napkins? We have. Like I keep everything. We'll give you one. Yeah, we'll give you one. Really? Do you guys have napkins? We have cards. We have stuff. I'll take the card.

I'll take the card. And I'll go with my scrapbook. But yeah, I think that's kind of like an artistic endeavor. Like I like to be like tactile. I also love to bake. That's a talent. That's hard. It's like, what I love about baking

is that you can actually, there's like a, there is a mysterious magic to it because I feel like you can tell what kind of mood you're in based on the result. Or maybe I'm just a bad baker. Baking is a science. Baking is a science. Cooking, like I love to cook.

Yeah. And you can kind of like, I'll try this, I'll fuck around with that, blah, blah, blah. And if you know how to work yourself in the kitchen, it can usually turn out baking. Yeah, different. You gotta do it right. But you saying that there's an art and there's a science. You saying that there's a magic to it

means that you're good at it enough to mess up and have it turn into something. So what is your go-to? If you were gonna impress us, what would you bring in? It is fall. Oh. For example, the next one. let's not put any pressure on this. This is turkey.

I feel like this is turning into a real thing, but I need to come back and bake for you guys. Bring us something. Well, I mean, I would do like a classic pumpkin loaf if like you're in like the fall vibes, but I do usually do like a chocolate chip cookie. I feel like that is like basic, not basic, but like it's classic.

You stand by your chocolate chip cookies? Yeah, I'd put my foot in that. Okay, yeah. My mom makes amazing chocolate chip cookies and then I posted about it and what I learned by posting about it is everyone. Makes good. Everyone has an opinion on their chocolate chip cookies.

Oh yeah, it's a very like personal thing. Yeah, they're like, you need to do this, this, and like, holy shit, can I just enjoy my mom's? Yeah. Do you have a secret sauce for your cookies? Well, yeah, but then, you know, I wouldn't be secret if I told you. Do you put salt in your cookies?

Cause I learned that's a thing and that elevates any cookie. It does, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. There you go. I will disclose that. But not to, it's like a very delicate balance, but it helps like, it's so interesting. Like there are certain ingredients that you can add that like help bring out other flavors.

Something that I will give you this, you could try this at home folks. I do like do a little extra vanilla extract. Yeah, it just, I don't even know how to describe it. That's when I make pancakes and French toast. It's always like more. Yeah. I always like will hold the teaspoon in the night.

Just let it waterfall. I'm like, oh my goodness. Yeah, so. It's like that one video of like one shot of vodka. You see that? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. One shot. Yeah, no, that's me.

With vanilla extract in cookies. Baking. Pire cake. Uh, yeah, no, that's me. With vanilla extract in cookies. Don't bake it? Pie or cake? Okay, we've stumbled upon a hot topic. Like, I have a hot take. I don't like pie. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, having good company.

Girl, I like pie. I like pie and I like cake. The only pie I'll eat is like a chocolate mousse, but I don't eat baked fruit. Okay, so here's my thing like pie. I like pie and I like eggs. The only pie I'll eat is like a chocolate mousse, but I don't eat baked fruit. Okay, so here's my thing with pie. No, that's a good point. Chocolate mousse pie, okay. Even like pumpkin pie, okay,

I can take a little slice of that at Thanksgiving. I have a weird thing with hot fruit. Yeah, same. Me too. Fruit should not be hot and it's mushy. Like why? We're all on the same page. The reason I like an apple is for that crisp crunch

or that freshness of the orange or whatever the fruit is. I don't need a warm, like warm fruit is like, how long has it been outside? Yeah. Y'all, I'm feeling very attacked right now. Listen, you are among friends. We are the outsiders, you know, like people listening are shaming us to death.

Oh, 100%. Like I know that this is, we are the anomaly. People know, like people listening are shaming us to death. Oh, 100%. Like I know that this is, we are the anomaly. People, it's an American like thing, you know. It's what we have. It's what you bring, you bring a pie. Weirdly people like shit on cake, is this because they, you know.

They had too much sheet cake, which by the way is kind of my fave. Sheet cake, a classic Costco sheet cake, are you kidding? I'd top out on that one. No? You can taste the chemicals. What? Okay, the group is getting smaller and smaller.

Well, listen, when I eat cake, I am not like worried about my figure at them in that moment. It's like I'm eating cake. But like you taste the dye. Or is that just me? Oh, okay, no, no, but I'm back with you. See?

Because I'm not a big like dye person. There you go. Like, and especially with baking, the darker the color, the bitter, the more bitter the icing is. Oh, I don't know that. Because they, yeah, you have to add more food coloring and so it just makes a bitter taste.

So I just love a classic buttercream, you know? Think it behind that. Keep it simple, sweet and simple. Speaking of pie, have you been to Apple Hill? No. Because I realized we're twins. Yeah, we are. So like, in the sense of, you're from Sacramento.

Yes. Me too. You went to UCLA, me too. Oh my we are. So like in the sense of you're from Sacramento. Yes. Me too. You went to UCLA, me too. Oh my God, really? So literally the same people. But where from Sacramento are you? Okay, well, so this is so sad. You're not actually.

Maybe we're not twins, but we can be like twin flames. Because I'm also not technically from Sacramento. Okay, what do you mean? But I say Sacramento. But were you born there? Kind of, I'm from Antelope, it's like Roseville. Okay, but you grew up in Sacramento. But I grew up. Okay, see I was born there and I moved like before like Roseville. Okay. But you grew up in Sac.

But I grew up. Okay, see I was born there and I moved like before my first birthday. To where? To here. To here. Like down SoCal. Okay, so you cheated the system. Did you still say Sacramento? I was nine months. I didn't know what I was doing. I was like, take me away. I was going to say because there are people that make it out of Sacramento, which is like few and far between.

And there's like Brie Larson, Jessica Chastain are like. Brie Larson's from Sacramento? Yeah, and Saweetie doesn't claim it, but she's from Sacramento. Oh wow. But it's like. I'm in good company. So it's like, I mean, you made it to LA.

Yeah. You were nine months, but you did it. But I did it. I think I did that, yeah. And I did when I was nine months old. Who can say that? Do you guys remember your first memory? Or like what age you were when you started remembering things?

I think I was three. Three-ish, yeah. Is that like, how old were you? I was thinking about the other day, I have a nine month old. I feel like younger, yeah. Younger? I feel like I remember a lot,

I don't know when it happened though. But like I had to be young. I was thinking about the other day because I have a nine month old, River, and it's just like, we're enjoying her so much doing those activities, and it's just like, you're not gonna remember any of this shit. Nope.

You know? It's like your first two years of your life, blank slate. The weird thing though is you don't know like when that first memory any of this shit. Nope. You know, it's like your first two years of your life blank slate. The weird thing though is you don't know like when that first memory is gonna come in. That's what I'm saying. So it could be earlier. And you kind of just have to like keep showing up. Because you know.

Oh I don't, yeah no I'm a great dad. It's not like I'm like you won't remember me, I'm just gonna disappear. Close your eyes for this one. I'm like, yeah you should. No, I have great memories of being around her. I just, I wish she would, it's like a weird thing knowing you're, you don't even remember anything.

But it does make a difference on a psychological level. There's a lot of studies about kids that were not held at a really, really young age, as young as two, three, four months. And although they don't have clear, tangible memories that they can grasp onto, it still is a part of their upbringing. It still somehow ingrains itself

in the makeup of the human, which is really interesting. I love psychology. Well, I studied psychology. Yeah, I'm a big people person. You're a North Campus? Yeah, I was a North campus galley. If you weren't an actor. Actually.

Or you're not. No, I just have a funny story about that. What's the story? Oh, well, no, I was just, so I was majoring in psychology, minoring in TV and film. As everybody does. Yes. AKA me too.

Yeah, okay, so literally twins. Okay, oh, so then you know it well. So like I did like my GEs, like I had to start in La Cretz, which was like the most south campus. I also did a Fiat Lux in the botanical gardens because I am nature girly. And so I would start my mornings, the most south campus that you can get, which like is just like, it's a big, I was, I would walk a big triangle every day. So I'd start there.

Then I'd go to La Cretz for my like science, whatever. And then I would have to walk all the way to North Campus. When I'm glad you're saying this because going to UCLA probably prepped you for Dancing with the Stars. So people say UCLA stands for University of Cavs, Legs and Ass.

Yes! Because you walk so much and the campus is like up and down and up and down. Oh, I was fit. I was fit. And then you have to go all the way up to the hill at the end of the day. And I was up at the top. So, okay, yeah, I was Reba Terrace. Okay, so you know the walk. If you weren't a performer, what would you think you'd be a therapist?

That's what I want to do the last chapter of my life. Really? Yeah. I think you'd be really good at it. Thank you. I do. I mean, well, like you're good at, I feel like seeing last chapter of my life. Really? I think you'd be really good at it. Thank you. I do.

I mean, well, like you're good at, I feel like seeing people. I hope so, yeah. People like to say. I feel like that's a quality that you need in a podcast. I mean, I feel like you pick up on things and then you're like, well, let's talk about that.

And I love to talk, obviously. I'm a certified yapper. Are you the friend that people go to for advice? Yeah, and I love it. Who do you go to when you are struggling with your personal relationships? My mom. Your mom. And so my mom has, this is you're uncovering my whole lore.

My mom has her master's in clinical psychology. She was actually gonna get her doctorate. And then I popped out the womb and was like, I'm gonna be a performer. And so I kind of derailed her career. It's fine. She still loves me. But yeah, she's pretty epic. She worked as a therapist.

How are you at taking your own advice? Decent, but I think that it's always harder when it's yourself. For sure, you're not, you know, it's always easy to give advice, but if you're like, I don't give a shit about the outcome. Yeah. You can see things more clearly.

Yes, 100%. You're not emotionally connected to how it plays out. Yeah. You can kind of be, you can cut through the bullshit. 100%. What is the most common dating advice you give to your friends? Oh, well it varies, you know?

I feel like it depends on what you want. I have some friends that are just in there like out and about, you know, in the streets phase, which I'm like, we're outside. And I'm like, be outside. Exactly. Be outside. Touch some grass.

Enjoy it. Yes, touch some grass. Enjoy it. Yes, touch some grass. But then also like I have friends that are in like long-term committed relationships and that's like a very different conversation. So it does vary. But I love being the go-to person and I love relationships. I love love.

Of love for you. Lacking. No, I'm a single girly. Are you enjoying the singleness or are you kind of anxious, not anxious, but looking forward to like meeting someone or your person or you're kind of like, you know what, I'm young, I'm thriving, I'm working, you know, if someone shows up, great, but if not, yeah, more the latter. I think I love like when I'm in a relationship, I think I love to show up, I love to love on people

and like give and pour into another person. But also I'm not, like I have friends that describe themselves as like I'm a relationship person, like I feel really anxious if I'm not in some sort of like attachment. And I don't necessarily feel that way because I also just love to be busy. I keep myself quite occupied,

and so I think I get fulfillment from so many other things that I do in my life. As a single person braving the dating world when you do date, what is something that you find a constant theme with single men out there that you would love to see some improvement on? Improvement on?

Yeah. She's like, well, let me pull it out. Like, let me pull out the... The scroll. The scroll. Like, let me pull out the, the scroll. Ooh, I don't know. I feel like this is what I've learned. This is the biggest thing that I've learned, I think. You can only meet someone as deeply

as they've met themselves. And so I think traditionally, stereotypically, men evolve a little bit slower, and I think it would really benefit people to, I think, sit with themselves. Whatever that looks like for you, I think that can be different for everyone, and get to know who they are,

like what they want out of a relationship, like what their boundaries are, what their triggers are, where like areas for improvement for themselves. And it doesn't mean that you have to have it all figured out. I think that is a big misconception that at least like I've seen in like guys in their twenties, which is all that I can really talk about,

is that like, oh, oh, there's so much pressure to have it all figured out. I'm like, I don't think that's what people want. I think it's just that you have to identify what you need to work on. And if you're doing that alongside a person, how beautiful is that? And also being able to be self-aware

that it's like you can have that conversation with your partner being like, okay, well, this is what I'm working on with myself. Or like, if I do this, this is why this happens. Like, I think 100% that it's like knowing yourself and knowing what you're okay with and what you have to give. And sometimes what you don't have to give. 100%.

Then I'm like, that's the transparency where I'm like, there's room to work together in a relationship. But it's not this like, oh, you need to be this perfect person for me to be this perfect person for us to have a perfect relationship because it doesn't exist. It does not exist. Do you think young men these days, because like a lot of people for our Ask Nick episodes, people call in and ask for relationship advice.

And it seems like there's a general theme of like a lack of ambition with younger men. Do you think that's accurate or like almost as like younger men feel maybe more discouraged, they just like they don't know what they should be doing, they don't know what to do, so they just play video games? I feel like it's kind of on a spectrum, because I feel like there's either that version of 20s and dependency and needing somebody to help take care of them, but I also feel like,

from what I see from an older perspective looking down, I'm like, oh, okay, I feel like every 20-year-old is trying to become a tech, made like a big tech person or. In LA specifically too. The most successful, have the nicest car by 23, have a house and a mansion and it's just kind of like, well, when I was in my twenties, I was just trying to be okay.

You know what I mean? So I'm also like, I feel like there's this like weird pressure that they're like, oh, I can't do a relationship because I need to become the next Steve Jobs. And it's like, who put that pressure on you? Right. You know? 100%.

I think, yeah, there is a pressure to do it all, all at once. And I'm like, that, you're setting yourself up for failure if you're setting that expectation for yourself. That's just never gonna be the case because that's not representative of life. And so, yeah, but that's interesting. I feel like, I don't know, maybe, I feel like, I don't know, maybe, I,

I feel like, I don't know. I had a lot of thoughts, but I didn't say any of that. You seem like a very enlightened queen, very patient, very emotionally mature. That being said. Oh, here we go. He's like, bye. Sweet. Do you have any like, icks that you're just like,

it's superficial, whatever, you know, but like, what are things that like, a man might do where you're just like, icks that you're just like, it's superficial, whatever, you know, but like, what are things that like, a man might do where you're just like, absolutely not? It could also be as shallow as chewing with their mouth open. Like it doesn't have to be like, deep. So that's more like, but- That's an ick.

But that's like a, that's like a duh. Yeah, true. That's what I'm saying. Like can you be rude to a waiter? Of course. Oh yeah, well that is, I mean, yeah, maybe that's not like an ick. I think you're looking for something more specific.

But that is definitely like a big turn off when I think, like when people are rude to like people in customer service. Like specifically that, I'm like, ah! I have, I've been really fascinated by the ick phenomenon and I've tried to like figure out what it is and I think it's all centered around effort with men. Oh, that's fair.

When I say effort, I don't mean like, obviously women, I feel like, wanna be made a priority. You wanna know a guy wants to make the effort to show he cares. I'm talking about physical effort, in terms of doing anything physical. So a guy has to make everything look easy. And if he looks clumsy doing something that,

you know, like from a physical standpoint, if he like stumbles or trips. Give an example, give a specific example. Like, you know, doing the dirty dance thing, you know, light and feathery, or maybe if he's like, maybe he's, he drops something and he goes to pick it up and he has to do it effortlessly. Do you feel like that's an unspoken societal pressure

that men are facing today, in today's climate? I think in general, yeah, I think women want it, it's all centered around, it's supposed to be easy to, I don't know, you can't do anything physical and make it look hard. Otherwise it's like an ick for women, they're like ew. Like you reaching for something on the top shelf, just like, I don't know. You can't do anything physical and make it look hard. Otherwise, it's like an ick for women. They're like, ew. Like you reaching for something on the top shelf. Just like, I don't know. I think effort.

Yeah. If a guy was reaching and he was trying to get it and he couldn't, I think that would be a huge ick. You're like, a guy on his tiptoes. You'd be like, absolutely not. He was on the ground or we're done. Showing fear with spiders, that would be a thing because that's like my scary thing that I'm like, Connor was like, oh, you get it. I'd be like, nope, this will not work.

No, this will not work. Connor gets it done. Connor gets it done. We love Connor. Yeah, if it's like, if he's like carrying groceries or like coming from Home Depot, he's carrying, and if it looks like heavy, he's supposed to look like it's not,

it's easy for him to do. And if it looks really hard. I will say that effort also can look really good. Yeah, effort in terms of like putting effort into himself or his career or the relationship. Of course we love that effort. I'm talking about just like, Like, oh, this is so heavy. Like just trying like living life. Men are supposed to walk through life as if

it's like what to you. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Where is this coming from? It's coming from observing my audience. Well, okay, now it's it was the car. Yeah, it was something specific. I could tell what is it? What happened? I asked my wife was something specific. I could tell. What is it? What happened? I asked my wife, like, have I ever given you the ick? And she told me, I didn't know this at the time that I gave her the ick. This was a shock to you. She swallowed it and kept it inside.

But apparently we were driving and we hit a bump and I like just lifted up off the car. She just said so much and she didn't. And apparently that gave her an ick. She's very observant. Like, you know, we went over a bump and I was like- To me, I'm just like, that's a gravity thing. And if she defied gravity, then like go off Elphaba Queen. Like, I didn't know I was sitting next to Cynthia or Revo like okay she defied

gravity she ate that up you don't need to internalize that no I'm fine yeah are you no it's not I'm just trying to understand the it because the ladies have a very specific it's it's also yeah it's not like men agree, I'm telling you, don't worry. Men can't control the aches, they don't even know they're doing it. It's just these. Men can't control gravity either, so I feel like you can sleep well tonight knowing that that is not an expectation.

There's gotta be something a guy did to you, did once that you were like, I don't know why that turned me off, but it just did. I'm trying to think. Have you had an awkward date? Everyone's had an awkward date. Yeah, but I feel like that could be a start. You know what's funny though?

I like really haven't gone out on many dates. Like I'm very specific with the way that I get into relationships. Okay, no that's fine. I'm like, let's like have a little group thing. Then you can kind of like pair off within the group. So there's no, there's less pressure that way. I'm sure.

You're a cold open girl. A cold open girl. Like a soft open or whatever. Not a cold open. Not a cold open. Wait, wait, wait, what is that? That'd be like a one night stand almost, I suppose. What is that terminology?

I've just made it up. Oh. I was like, wait, I want this. But like, you know, when a club opens up and they do like a soft open. It would be soft. You kind of like work into things. Like a soft launch.

Soft launch, yeah. You're saying that the safety of being in a group, but like also there's not that pressure of one-on-one, but like if I don't like you, there's other people that we can stop hanging out with. No harm, no foul. Exactly, I mean, yeah. But that's what you're trying to say is that it's like

not this like pressure one-on-one date, it's like you like to be in a comfortable setting and work your way up to it. Yes. So if you're like, hey, we're sitting down. I'm a slow burn. Slow burn. You want to see how they interact with other people.

That's a huge part of it. I'm also someone that like, yeah, I think like physical attributes are lovely. Like I think people are lovely to look at, you know. I think like I love personality as well. And I, for me, it like literally will play a trick on my eye. Like I can find someone way more attractive if yeah, they are kind to the people around them and are considerate and empathetic and mature. Like I think I kind of almost need that quality as well

in order to even entertain the idea of like anything. But I'm also, I'm like, I'm a long-haul girly. I kind of just don't, I think it's because I don't feel the need to be in a relationship. I feel really secure on my own, so I'm not looking for it. Where did that independence come from? Because it's not a common, for most people. Yeah, I don't know.

I think when we get into our 20s, we start feeling like we're supposed to be with someone. Yeah. Yeah, but most, like I didn't get comfortable, and maybe it's because I'm a guy, but I didn't comfortable with like being okay with being single until I was like 30. Mm. You know, where I was like,

no, I don't think I need one, a girlfriend, I guess. Yeah, where did that come from? I don't know. I really don't know. I mean, I'm sure having a mom, I was gonna say. So far in psychology also helps like identify why you're feeling the way you're feeling or when you're coming home from like high school and a certain way like being able to describe what's going on and have somebody be able to like professionally be like, no,

like you feel this because of this or like understanding yourself better. While I feel like most of us get that from our peers and people who are also figuring life out at the same time and also guiding people down the wrong direction because we don't know. So I do think having a strong person in your corner that understands psychology to the fullest could really be helpful. I think you're right.

I think a lot of, I mean, I'm 24, I've been in my 20s for four years, it's rough out here. It's a scam. But yeah, there is a lot of like looking for yourself in others. And like, I'm not sitting here saying like, I have it all figured out,

because that is far from the truth. But I do think, yeah, my mom helped a lot and just like growing up basically in therapy. Like I didn't even realize that, you know? But I think she just taught me, she equipped me with so many tools that I carry with me today. Also, if we're like getting,

if we're gonna psychoanalyze myself, my parents got divorced when I was like pretty young, I was like 12, 13. And so like my mom, my dad moved. And so my mom just, she did so much. Like she carried so much. And so I think having a strong independent woman, just like to look at, you know, I think,

and she kind of moved with this independence, you know, and she had to. And so I think I could probably, like, you know. Did your dad moving affect your relationship with him? Yeah, I mean, I think it was hard, because I was so young and he was still working, and so it was just hard, like just lack of time, lack of time together.

But no, he's still in my life, and he's still a great person. We're just not as close, because we don't spend as much time together, but he's awesome and has always been supportive of me. And yeah. That's awesome. Growing up in the entertainment industry

with everything that obviously we're finding out now, later on, of how things went. What was your experience being so young on sets and working as an adult, adult hours with adult co-stars? What was that like growing up? Strange. I think it's strange looking back at it through an adult perspective.

As a kid, it's all you know, so you don't know any different. You don't question it. Yeah, and I think there's been so much like with certain movements and like even the double strike of last year that like I'm now looking back and reframing so much of like my childhood because I'm like, oh, like that's not just show business.

Like that is like, I was gonna say exploitation, but like, you know, I didn't have a lot of bad experiences, but just like some of those, like the things that I think when I was really, really young, really young, before I even really got into like more of the stuff that I've when I was really, really young, really young, before I even really got into more of the stuff that I've done in the last eight years, I would say, when I was first starting out, there was just a lot of stuff that was weird that you're like,

how did that even fly at that time? You know? So... Was there any specific one that comes to mind? I can think of specific like, specific experiences where, like, I was okay, but they could have turned out completely differently, you know? Like, just, um, I'll give you an example. Like, I was up for this movie, and the final audition was like the fifth audition for producers and director, whatever.

It was at the director's house, and I was sitting in his living room and I got called back to the audition room, which happened to be in his guest house. You like leave the main house. You like walk through this like patio and garden. And it's like two, three minute walk. That's like away. This is like the hills of Hollywood, you know? And then I was like in a completely different guest house

on my own with just the director and the casting director. And it was fine, I was fine. But also I have so many friends that have had completely different situations. And so, yeah, I mean, but that's a thing now, SAG doesn't allow, you can't have auditions in private locations. But exactly that, the fact that it took this long,

where it's like if a boss, like a CEO or whatever, was having meetings and whatnot, and that be reported to HR, it's like you're fired. Right, yeah. There's no checks and balances there, no safety. I was literally like 11 years old. Were you by yourself, or like was your mom in the house? My mom was there, but my mom was in the living room.

And she was kind of like, this is weird, this is weird, but this is a big Hollywood production and a big Hollywood director. And so I mean, it's just. Yeah, and it's all kind of like, this is normal and this is how it's supposed to be. And it happens fast and even if parents are kind of like, is this okay?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not, it almost happens before you have a chance. But you're still in an audition. So it's like she needs the job. So you're also like, I don okay? And like, yeah, you're not, it almost happens before you have a chance. But you're still in an audition, so it's like she needs the job, so you're also like, I don't know if I question this, am I gonna fuck things up for her, but at the same time, like, why can't I go with her? Like, it's weird, it's weird.

It is very weird, but I am lucky I overall had, like, a pretty good experience as a child actor. A lot of that was my mom just being around, you know, but yeah, definitely have seen some weird stuff. I'll say that. Yeah. Dancing with the Stars. Yeah.

What was being your favorite dance? Ooh. Oh, it was either, I think the Cha Cha, which you saw, and it was so much fun. Cause it was just so upbeat and like catchy, catchy song we did, it's Tricky by Run Run DMC and I had tearaway pants. So I, that was kind of always a dream. Um, but also the one that I just did this past week, which was, um,

it was Disney night, a posse de doble That's a cool dance. It's a cool dance. And I did it to a song that I sang for the zombies, the Disney zombies franchise. How was that? We own the night. It was so much fun. As all your co-stars were there too to support. Yeah, it was so sweet.

Megan Milo came into the studio that week and it was perfect timing because I had had a really hard week prior so I was really in my head and kind of self-doubting and Just to have people that have known me for so long be there and encourage me and uplift me I was like, okay, you're right. I can do this So it was it was really fun because Carrie Anne made the comment about you needing to dig deeper

Yes, so that really got you. Yeah, is that is there a specific reason as to why are you? So it was really fun. Because Carrie Anne made the comment about you needing to dig deeper. Yes. And she said that that really got to you. Yeah. Is there a specific reason as to why? Are you more of like a perfectionist or did that affect you in like more of a personal way? Yeah, I think there were a few things. And I honestly like, and she even said as much

in a different capacity, like that I think she would have phrased it differently. I think it was more like the word choice that I kind of rubbed on a little bit because I won, and this might go back to the psychology thing. I was like, oh, I think everybody emotes differently. And so I just didn't want that to be called into question because my excitement or fear or anxiety or whatever,

elation can look differently than the next person. So there's that. But then also I was like, this was a dance for my mom. And I think that in and of itself was like, I dug really deep. It's my mom. It's my mom. I think like, okay, I guess I'll do what I think you mean by that, but okay.

I think it would have been different too. Honestly, maybe from the get-go with that, the creatives kind of were working against us potentially. That being said, I wouldn't have done anything differently because that was the song that my mom played for me growing up, is the song that she dedicated to me and I have it so deeply associated with my childhood. And it is a happy story.

We're still really close. Nothing's happened. We've been through a lot, but really it was just, I think it might've been a creative difference. I think they might've expected it to be emotional, which maybe they were primed for that because the night, there's a lot of pressure on dedication night for it to be emotional and heavy,

and there is a lot of that. For example, Danny Amandola, he did a dance contemporary for his coach who had passed away, and that was really heavy, and it was beautiful. Mine was a celebration for my mom and like the love that she exudes. And I think they might've wanted something different,

but also if I can yap for two more seconds. Please. I really had to do some digging after that. And I realized that, I think it was less about what I was feeling more about how I was portraying it. My performance history is TV and film, which you are never thinking about the perception of emotion when you're acting on camera.

That you're dead in the water if you do that as an actor. Really, you're focused on what you're feeling and the circumstances of the character and let that work on you to give you the result. But you should never be result-oriented or focused. So I think that is a very specific medium that does not directly translate to theater, stage, live performance.

In that capacity, the person sitting right next to the stage should have the same performance experience as the person up in the rafters. And so that's a different level of like externalization of emotions that I think I just didn't take that extra step to do if that makes sense. There's almost like an exaggeration to it. That makes sense.

If I may, being the reality TV veteran that I am. Please. Going for the rest of the way. Sometimes the judges just say things. So they're creating storylines. Because they know it might irritate you. And I'm here for that. Yeah.

I'm here for that. They wanna see how you're gonna respond. I'm here for that. It's a, you know. And I'm actually glad that we're talking about this because I, and that was part of the reason why it got in my head, because I was like, maybe I just don't have the personality

that exists well in a reality TV space because I tend to be nonplussed. I have a very healthy mindset that I've worked really hard to have. I'm not quick to personalize things or internalize them deeply. So I think, yeah, maybe there is a way. They know you care. Yeah.

They want to test that. And I'm happy for that because I also do think that there was a narrative that was starting to swirl online that like, that I had nothing to improve on, which I'm like, that could not be further from the truth. I was going to ask you about that because a big part about Dancing with the Stars is the progress the stars make. A Danny who like shows up and he's just like I play football. I don't have two left feet. Someone like you who's like, let's be honest, you're very good, you know. Your lines are crazy. You're so long and so graceful, so beautiful.

I had to throw that in there. So is that something that, like, how have you tried to, I guess, work against that? Or has that gotten in your head? Because I think it can be a challenge for people who go on the dance floor, do very well, and then almost feel like the judges are treating them a little different than, say, a Danny or a Dwight, or someone like that. Have you you, have you worried about that or have you felt that pressure?

I hadn't up until I think basically that week. And because people said online, not that I try to spend too much time in the comment section, but like I'm also human and I will look and I care that going off of like what the judges were saying, like lack of connection, like, oh, I didn't feel drawn. And then on the other side, you have people that were like, I was sobbing, this was so emotional.

Yeah, so you're gonna see the myriad of opinions and that's fine. But for the people that, I'm a perfectionist, I always go for the slam dunk and I want it to be a sure thing and to be undeniable. And so when I saw that people people that there were a group of people that, you know, didn't feel connected, then that felt like, you know, like raise the alarms because that is my job.

Like that felt more personal because I am a storyteller for like my career. That is literally my like livelihood to be a storyteller. And so that is where I think I started to, that kind of started to eat at me a little bit. And I was like, I need to figure this out. Are you pretty competitive? Yeah, I'm very competitive. I love games just in general.

I love video games, I love board games, I love card games. So all my friends know, yeah, don't mess with me. Or be on your team. Yeah, be on my team. Are you a sore loser? Be on my team. No. No I'm not.

I think every super competitive person, which I am myself, has to learn at some point. Hopefully it's younger to- Pull back. To lose graciously. What is the saying? Win with humility and, I don't know, there's a saying. There is a saying, and I know it.

Gracious in defeat, humble in victory, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds right. It's gracious in victory, humble in defeat, or something, or it's the opposite, I'm not sure. No, I think you're humble in victory and gracious in defeat. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think every competitive person has a moment where they weren't gracious and they had to learn to be.

Yeah, potentially. I mean, I would be lying if I said that. I remember playing baseball once and I struck out and I took the bat. I was like, it was like little league. And you broke it. And my dad walked out to my coach and said, take him out of the game.

Good dad. Yeah. I'm not a sore loser, but I think I'm kind of a sore player, which I like to talk smack. Carter and I watch Jeopardy at night, and I'm just like, all right, you ready to lose? I'm like, oh, are you gonna play? Because I just got nine in a row.

Love that. Love that. No, that's just part of the game play. But then afterwards, I'm like, it's okay. Maybe next time. It wasn't that serious. Yeah, it's not that serious. We'll get them next time.

As a performer, in terms of entertainment, as a consumer, are you a fan of any like trashy, we love trashy television on the show. Do you, what do you watch when you're vegging out or do you even watch much TV at all? I don't watch a whole lot because I have little time, but I do love a good reality TV show, but I am behind and I'm so sad about that

because I would love to talk about it. I love Love is Blind. I watched, I do, but I haven't watched the new season. I'm still on the last one. I'm at the weddings. I'm at the weddings, but don't tell me what happens. We won't say anything. Don't even tell me what happens.'t watched the new season. I'm still on the last one. I'm at the weddings I literally I will avoid their social medias Like I I scroll past headlines because I'm that invested my mom and I watch it together But yeah, I've watched all the last thing love is actually blind or can be yeah, I think it can be

Do you think otherwise? For me, I would say no. I think it can be. Do you think otherwise? For me I would say no. I think it's individual to the person. Yeah I couldn't do that Joe. I mean listen there's a lot more than looks, a lot more. Yeah. You know I've what? I'm just saying. I've met a pretty girl or two that I was like nope. I'm just envisioning like where I'm like, oh, like. What? Just like if you came out. In the pods. He's like professing his love.

No, I would honestly be like. And then all of a sudden the door's open and he's like, no. Absolutely not. He would be like the most hated person just because he would be the one person that couldn't make it. You would see it on my face. I'd just be like.

No, but that's like, you see that on the show. Yeah. Like. Yeah. It makes me so. But I feel like people try. Like, you know what I mean? They try to hide it. They have that whole thing where they're like, well, we makes me so, but I feel like people try. Like, you know what I mean? They have that whole thing where they're like,

well, we did connect in the pods. Like, I really want to give this a chance. Maybe it's not like my first choice. Nick on the other hand would be like, yeah, no, everything that happened in the pod was real. We're out. Wait, so who's your favorite so far in the season? She's not watching this either.

She hasn't watched this season. No, no, but like the season you're watching. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Let me think. I'm proud of the spot like that. I really like, okay, well, I feel uncomfortable talking about it because I don't, everybody knows how it ends

and I don't. It's okay. But I do really like the, they're like the cute Amy, Amy and Ginger Boy with the curls. Johnny. Johnny. Johnny, yeah. Thank you.

Yeah, they're cute. Which one? Which season? You called the boring ones. The ones that have a very healthy relationship. Yeah. Right? They have a really healthy relationship. They have a healthy relationship.

They talk and communicate. They communicate. Solves their problems. Yeah, things come up and then they talk through them. And it's like, oh my God. It's like they had the whole conversation about birth control. Yep.

And yes, you remember? Yeah. You're like, give me drama. Okay, well, so the drama of that season was like, oh man. Well, the Jess and like the Jimmy and the. Megan Fox, Chelsea. Megan Fox.

Which I gotta say, I met Chelsea in real life. Yeah. I see it. Yes, I see it too. She kind of looks like Megan Fox. No, I see it too. She kind of looks like Megan Fox. No, I see it too. I just think maybe the way in which she said it, like spud him off in a completely different direction.

But that's what I was thinking of when you said, like there are people that come out of the pods and like, I was thinking of his reaction. And shout out to Netflix, cause they really like milked that moment. I felt it in my gut because they had that like crazy zoom out and he looked so small on the screen. You know what I'm talking about? And then they played this like horrible violin that was like, and he was like, she does not look like

me. Did you see that? She said on the pod. Dude, you were on camera. What are you doing? He also mixed up her name, right? Wasn't it? He said someone else's name. Yes. He said Jess at one point and I was like, homie. Someone left that in. You need to get your act. Yes, they left it in.

I was like, y'all are messy. He said, yeah, I'm just so happy to be on this journey with Jess. With Jess? I don't know where that came from. Yeah, let's take that back. I was like, homie. They did leave that in. It was a good season.

Like directing himself being like, okay, actually, let's take that back. Yeah, cut the cameras. I was like, buddy, they are rolling. You were miked. It is on and you said it. Done. And it's done.

Oh, that was a good season. Reality television's scary. It's scary. Yeah, it's a good scene. And then the guy, I just finished the homie that really screwed over my girl and then jumped on the vroom vroom, the jet skis. Oh yeah.

I was like, what's going on? Oh yeah. Oh my God, what's going on? They recently broke up. Yes. What's the name? Hawaiian shirts, Jeremy. Hawaiian shirts.

Jeremy. Wearing them just to spite her's the name? Hawaiian shirts. Jeremy. Hawaiian shirts. Jeremy. Wearing them just to spite her. I was like, come on Jeremy. It's always the J's man. It's always the J's. Josh, Jeremy. Stay away.

What's the most toxic boy name? A J. I mean, my name is a J name, so. Are you toxic? I don't think so. But you're like, you are only exception. Thank you. Yeah.

Or Nick, you know. Nick? That too, yeah. I feel like Nick's are pretty good. I don't know a lot of shitty Nick's. No, Nick is like solid. It's a nice like one syllable stable guy. You know, Nick.

Chad. I was gonna say like, Justin. Yeah, what's a frat bro? I feel like Josh. Chad. I was gonna say like, Justin. Yeah, what's a frap bro? Josh. Yeah, that was. Josh is our choc. Chad, Josh.

Yeah, Josh's get a bad rep. They get a bad rep. Yeah, because they're always like the cool guys in high school. Yeah. Josh, a lot of fuck boys. Well, Josh is just such a cool name. And so, and then I think they know it.

So they run with it. But I know good Josh's. Chand Chandler how can people vote for you people can vote for me by texting? Chandler ten times to two one five two three on Tuesdays, and you can also vote online ten times Can you text and vote online so you can do both? So that's a total of twenty votes okay every single week all right vote for your girl one more time, that number. Two, one, five, two, three, Chandler, that's C-H-A-N-D-L-E-R. And then what's the website? Oh, I don't know that offhand.

Dancingwiththestress.com? ABC, ABC. Well, I wanna say it on air so people can. Dancingwiththestress, d-w-t-sote.abc.com. Okay. DWTSvote.abc.com. And that will be tonight. Tonight.

Yes. Woo! Vote for your girl. Yeah, wait, is this like next week? Is this like? This later Tuesday. This, this too. Oh, well let me just say something really quickly.

So I, last week, I won immunity from the dance-offs because I was top of the leaderboard, but that does not mean that I am immune from elimination. And I just wanna be very- What does immunity mean, then? I know, and I'm like, why are we using the word immunity? This was my question as well! This was my question as well!

So, throw out the word immunity because- That's a one way to get your ass voted off. It's like, oh, guess who don't have to vote for Chandler. Who is trying to set me up? Who did I hurt? I was like, yeah. No, seriously, what does immunity mean? Okay, so basically I get a pass,

let's call it a pass on the dance off because there's seven of us, so that's an odd number. So the person who was at the top of the leaderboard last week, which was Brandon and I, are get a pass from doing the dance-offs. We still do our own dance. Everybody does their own dance, and then the rest of the couples

are gonna do a dance-off. Brandon and I will not be doing that. We get the extra points as if we won our dance-off. But we could still very much go home, so we need the votes. I know, you guys, please vote. This needs to be made into a cut-down so that they know the people know

Double time like you know at the end Yeah, please please please I think people are confused because the word immunity should not have been used no Oh my god. Thank you so much. Love you guys. Chandler's been so much fun This is been a blast. Thank you for coming. Good you. Good luck the rest of the way. Thanks. We are rooting for you. Hope you do great. There's a great cast left. You guys got some stiff competition.

I honestly don't know what's gonna happen at this point. It is that stuff. Lots of fan favorites. Yeah. Well, I'm voting for Chandler. Okay. All 20 votes. You heard it here first.

Thank you. Thanks guys. DWTSvote.abc.com Hey, let's go. Chandler. Thanks guys. DWTSvote.abc.com Hey, let's go. Chandler. Thanks guys. This is so fun.

You guys have the best energy. All right, thanks for listening. Thank you, Nina Parker, Chandler Kinney, and all of our guests who grace our presence. Do not forget to tune in tomorrow for in a very, very nostalgic episode, Jaleel White is with us to talk about his life as Steve Urkel. If you grew up watching Family Matters and TJR Fridays, you grew up with Jaleel White

on your screen. He has a fascinating life and he's here to talk all about it. That is tomorrow on Going Deeper. Plus again, we have Shannon Bedora on Thursday of Reality Recaps and Danny Amendola is with us as well. Do not miss that episode of The Great Week. We'll see you then. Bye.