The Viall Files - E840 Going Deeper with Garrett and Taylor from Love Is Blind

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper, with Love Is Blind’s Garret Josemans and Taylor Krause! Season 7 of Netflix’s Love Is Blind just wrapped, and it’s time to dive deep with our favorite couple. We get into their love story, Garrett’s glow up, opinions on Marissa and Ramses, Hannah and Nick D, dealing with comments, and more! Plus, Garrett and Taylor help out a caller.  “I have lots of opinions, we could spend the rest of the podcast talking about this.” Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff every Monday starting October 21st! Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  Thank You to Our Sponsors: SKIMS - Shop SKIMS Holiday Shop at https://skims.com Available in styles for women, men, kids and even pets! Jack Black - Head to https://getjackblack.com/viall and use code VIALL for 10% off your order.  Nanit - Get 20% off your first order with code DREAM20 at https://nanit.com  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @garrett.josemans @chinesediscobaby @justinkaphillips  @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell

You sit over there, I'll sit over here, and I'll interview you. What's your favorite things about Garrett? Top 10. Well, his hair, obviously. Garrett Taylor, welcome to the Valfals. It's great to be here. Great to have you. We're so excited. Let's give a round of applause for being in love.

You guys are still in love, right? Love for love. Yes, very much in love. I mean, part of me always like Roots for the Drama. Right. If you guys were fighting on the way in, I'd be sad for you. It'd be great for the Valfals. It would be great for us, yeah. But I'm very happy for you guys. fighting on the way in, like I'd be sad for you, but. It'd be great for the both of us. It would be great for us, yeah.

No, but I'm very happy for you guys. How has it been? What has life been like in the real world so far? Between two coasts, it's been definitely an adjustment, but living together, like you're my best friend, it's been actually really fun. Like laughing most of the time when we're not working and cooking dinner at home and I learned how to fish. Spearfish, spearfish. Traveling, anything else?

I think you've covered, no, lots of food and laughs and a little bit of TV show. Honestly, yeah, it has been really cool. The Bicoster thing has been the biggest challenge, but other than that, like, yeah, it's been- When you say Bicoster, are you guys living apart at times? No, no, no, we so. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

We're so funny in love. We're so funny in love. But no, we do a Zoom call once a week, it's fine. Okay. No, we spent a lot of time in San Diego, but we're mostly based in Fredericksburg right now. And where's Fredericksburg? Cause you said at the reunion.

I had to Google it. I was like, cool. Like, I don't know. I just called my dad up and he gives me, when you see the red barn, you're going too far. You know that kind of thing. About two miles down the reunion, I was like, cool. I don't know. I just called my dad up and he gives me, when you see the red barn, you've gone too far. That kind of thing. About two miles down the road, left light. I've got the map quest. My dad is too.

It's like an hour south of DC if there's no traffic. Okay, Virginia-ish? Yeah, yeah, south of DC. It's in between DC and Richmond's always tell people. Okay. So it's conveniently located. We were in San Diego this weekend. Oh really?

Yeah, we're at. My brother and sister all live there and they had their first baby, so we went to visit. Oh cool. Yeah San Diego's beautiful, we love it. We obviously did our first trip there on the show to South Park, which is the area where her family lives. And we've got an apartment there now

and we walked to her parents' place and walked downtown and it's beautiful, yeah I love it. Do you have an apartment in both places? Yes. So you're rich. So truly they. Yeah, I love it. We have an apartment in both places. Yes. So you're rich. So truly they're loaded. Oh my God. I Airbnb the apartment in San Diego.

And that's Mark. I'll be renting mine out once we make our next big move. You had mentioned at the reunion when, no, I'm just kidding, Nick and Vanessa, when they really dug deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they asked you about your living situation and you mentioned that, you know,

cause obviously on the show you guys had talked and it was our understanding that you guys agreed to relocate to San Diego. And it sounds like that was a challenge for you. And obviously you wanted to be close to home and then you had a conversation and where you guys came up with this new plan. But how did you approach that?

And I was curious, like, was that something that was like an ongoing conversation or was that something you were feeling and then you finally kind of built up the courage to say, hey, Taylor, I gotta ask you or tell you something. And how did that all go down? Well, I wanna clarify. It's funny, on the show, it seems like we decided

we're moving to San Diego immediately after getting married and that was never the discussion. It was like, where do we wanna raise our family? And so that was in like five to seven years. And then in between five to seven years and then we were planning to digital nomad. We both have completely remote and like flexible jobs and we kind of tried it out a little bit. And that's really tough to do as like an individual person, let alone working on a new marriage.

And Garrett's I won't speak for you, but he has been in Fredericksburg his entire life and moving to a new city is a lot. Yeah, well, that's what's funny, too. It good that you clarified that, because a lot of people are commenting, they're like, he's in Fredericksburg, they're not together. And it's like, didn't you hear me say we're moving to Fredericksburg after the show? Like, we gave no timeline for that, but it was always the goal to work our way towards that and to feel out, doing some remote living lifestyle. And we talked about New York right away.

And logistically, we moved down to Fredericksburg, and then we went and spent time in San Diego with our family for the holidays. And we were in, we spent like three weeks in San Diego, like La Jolla. We did two weeks in La Jolla. And then we did Costa Rica and then we did Europe and we were on the road a lot. And we're still talking about eventually like making this transition. And we talked about, well, let's go to New York in a little bit. Well, but the timing.

And so it was all kind of like just evolving in a different way. And then eventually, yeah, the summer kind of how you put it was like, just started to feel a certain way. And I'm like, wait a minute. Like I told Taylor that like, I really was open to and excited about trying moving to San Diego eventually, but over the past six months or whatever it had been at the time, I'd spent more time away from my friends and family than I ever had before my entire life.

And so it was an experience that was new to me and I was still like feeling, sussing out my feelings. And as more time went on, I started to really feel something. I think it was on the way back from, from Europe, um, where we were gone for a month and I was on the plane and I'm like, man, I'm, I'm like, I'm, I miss my family and friends, like, this is really hard for me. And it was difficult to bring up the Taylor, but I brought up to her like two days after we got home or maybe the next day and was like, Hey, this is how I feel.

And it was a hard conversation for us. Cause you know, Taylor all along like was like, well, I want to go to San Diego and that's where I want to be. And all of a sudden her partner who just agreed to marry is telling her, Hey, I don't know that, you know, I can do this. So it's like, you know, do you just change his mind all of a sudden? Like what's going on here? And it was a, that was our biggest struggle this

summer was working through that together and, you know, understanding we still love each other, want to make this work. But like, these are, these are real feelings that we're feeling and trying to understand them and communicate them at the same time. So, but I do think that that's something a lot of couples deal with. I know love is blind tries to have people in the same city and kind of avoid not regionally having difficulties because I think that's what happens on a lot of like for bachelor

people that they're not in the same city and then you transition into this big relationship really quickly. Like that's tough, but a lot of people aren't from the same place. So what does it look like to raise a family somewhere? Like we don't know, but even though it was really hard for Garrett to tell me he had to be honest so that we could figure out what a compromise looked like and how to move forward together. Yeah I mean that's I'm glad you bring that up you know both the love is blind kind of logistical aspect of it because yeah it seems like the city the show does that but to your

point the show can't predict the future or what your long-term goals are, both as individuals and then what they become also as a couple. Then you start having kids and you ask yourself, well, yeah, maybe we live here now, Nally and I, we have our first daughter and now we're having different conversations about what's the next five or 10 years like, where do we want our kids to go to school? Is it here? Is it somewhere else? And it can be a very scary thing,

especially when a couple agrees to something. And especially when in your case, where like you guys agreed to something that obviously you were very excited about, I imagine. And then all of a sudden, Garrett comes to you with a different idea. It can be a very triggering situation where it's just like, like you, like you said,

well, I thought we agreed to this. I thought you promised. And I'm curious how you processed all that because that could have been a very like you said, it was difficult, but that could have been a very detrimental conversation for other couples because there's a lot of ways in that conversation to feel misled or abandoned where it's just like, well, I thought we made a decision. So like, how did you work through that while he was approaching you with that honesty while you were simultaneously trying to grapple with,

I'm not going to get what I thought we agreed to. It was tough. Like you only kind of see me talk about it in like a 15 minute kind of short and sweet thing, but it was, 15 minute kind of short and sweet thing, but it was weeks of really difficult, hard conversations with not just like my husband, but with my parents, with my good friends. And there's lots of sleepless nights and tears and it wasn't easy. I also luckily found a fantastic therapist that I've been working with for the past six months. And I think you can really decide at a certain point when you get married, is it for me or is this about a we? It's really

hard to describe, and you guys probably know this, becoming a unit and just deciding that whatever gets thrown your way, you're going to figure it out together. And if you want to get through it together. And so I think going from being super single, like going on to love is blind to like the complete opposite, like there is some whiplash associated with it. Like I know I gave you my non-negotiables like going through it and it really hurt when you were honest with me, but I would way rather you have been honest with me than like, let's say like in three years you freak out and like you've been holding this in

and we never really got the chance to figure it out together. Cause like, not to, I mean, not to be like super deep, but like you can't predict what happens with life. You just want to find a partner that you like figure it out with. And that's kind of what, after I grieved it and like figured it out with you and had a lot of difficult conversations and feelings, like I think we got to the other side

and like we're still definitely figuring it out. Sure. I think I loved what you said at the reunion of just like, you know, to your parents, like, I love you guys, but Garrett is my home now. And like, that's obviously how I feel about Nick. I think that's how a lot of people feel or should feel about their partner is like,

wherever you are in the world, like this is your home, this is your safe place. Was that a hard thing to tell your parents or had you talked to them about it before? It wasn't a hard thing to tell them. Like I obviously clearly love my parents so much and they're amazing people. Like you can, I think that comes, I mean, I hope it comes to you guys, but they've

always been the kind of parents are like, when I studied abroad, they're like, maybe you should live here. We'll come visit. Like you should go do this thing. You should try this thing. And like wherever you are, like there's no guilt. We want you to be your own person. And like, obviously they have like, you know, Fong especially,

like she's so excited to be a grandma someday and she even told, she told me this when we were like dating, she's like, well if you have kids in Fredericksburg, I'm, I'm agreeing to come there once and a month. I was like, no one made you like. Tom always, he's like, Fong's gonna be out there on a plane once a month to see you guys, we all have kids and he keeps hitting me with this like. I mean, that's like, I'm not going to but she will. Yeah right, he definitely, no he's like, Fong's gonna be out there on a plane once a month to see you guys, we all have kids, and he keeps hitting me with this. He's like, I'm not going to, but she will. Yeah, right, no, he's definitely not saying he's gonna do it. Well, as your dad loves to point out,

and I loved how you said it was his favorite joke, but he clearly has a lot of money saved up for the wedding he didn't have to afford, so now he can just buy play tickets. Exactly. I love that you said that, like, it's his favorite joke. I imagine every time it comes up, he tells that joke. His favorite joke before this was, he's got a t-shirt that says John Hopkins University

He's like, this is my like hundred thousand dollar t-shirt I think we're excited to do a second wedding at some point Like it it's a lot to plan a wedding So and like my my parents are really excited like a wedding can be you guys probably know this like it's for the family too in some ways. I know it's it differs for people but he's he's probably going to spend some money at some point. Yeah. Before we get into the second wedding planning though like I just want to touch on this DC thing one more time like Taylor and I one thing over the summer when we had this first conversation we're like both looking at it and like shit, like I want to be in San Diego and you want to be on the East coast. Like this seems irreconcilable at, at first glance, but we spent more time and like talking through it and working through it.

And I mean, ultimately what we decided was like, we love each other. We want to make this work. So like, what's a good compromise. And that was like, maybe DC I could see cause it's familiar and she has friends there and it's, you know, it's better than Fredericksburg, at least in terms of things to do, right. And so she's like, well, maybe I could see DC. And so we sat on that and worked through it and it is a easier transition for me.

And it's not as big of a leap. And who knows what happens, like you mentioned, like, what do we want to do in five years, what do we want to be? You don't know. And that I think was hard for me and possibly Taylor as well as like, I like to know where things are going and I like to have a clear picture and you don't have that. I just know that I wanna be with Taylor and that was good enough for me.

So I'm happy with DC, we're very excited about it. We've been talking about it nonstop, like excited to figure out where we wanna be in DC and start a life there and see where it takes us. Cause like who knows, you know. Exactly. We didn't think we'd be here a year ago. Exactly.

Right. Not the file file. No, no, married, married. That is crazy. So you guys have been married for how long now? A little under a year. November 13th is our one year. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, we've got, yeah. What is it like to try to start a marriage and protect that marriage all while trying to also protect the show that you're on and hide it from the real world? Well, I wore like a mustache everywhere I went. Well, I liked that though, I wanted that. You wanted to keep that.

It was a fetish. Oh, you saw the mustache. Oh, we saw the mustache. Honestly. I donated my hair. Now he was like, we dig the mustache. I thought it looked good. Yeah, I'm like, he pulls off the mustache.

It looks good, yeah. I appreciate it. It's a rare thing for a man to pull off and I honestly looked at it and I'm like, your turn? Yeah. It made you not to bring up celebrity doppelgangers on Love is Blind, because we know that's a big. That's a no-no.

Yeah. But you're out of the pods now. Oh yeah, that's it. You're both hot, so it's fine. It kind of gives Chris Evans with a mustache. I get the Chris Evans thing like a lot. Yeah. I've never seen him with a mustache.

Does he have one? A couple movies he's done. Okay, yeah. Isn't that what Tim called you a middle class? Lower class. Oh, yeah. No, no, it wasn't. done it. Yeah. Isn't that what Tim called you a middle class? Lower class. Oh, yeah. No, no, it wasn't. Captain America.

Yeah, yeah, right. When I was the bachelor, I was commonly referred to as the Walmart Ryan Reynolds. I got Walmart Glenn Powell. I was like, Walmart? I see it, yeah. Walmart. Just take it.

Can we get Target? That's great, because if Chelsea said, I'm the Walmart Megan Fox, everyone would have, no, she didn't. She just said, she didn't find out. If she had said Walmart, yeah. No, that's a good color.

That's a good color fire. And for the record, we filmed before that season came out, so we didn't even know. There is no like, don't talk about. Taylor was running around the pods calling her, no, I'm just kidding. Well, when Nick and I met Ryan Reynolds at People's Choice Awards,

Nick said I was referred to at People's Choice Awards, Nick said, I was referred to as the Walmart Ryan Reynolds. And he was like, listen, Walmart is a great establishment. Yeah, it's a great brand. I said there's good value there. Yeah. And Taylor was like, we gotta work on your PR.

At the reunion, Taylor graciously gave you most of the credit for your glow-up. She better. While we all thought this was a direct result of you being a married man and having the. Yeah. The woman's touch. The woman's touch,

because you're giving woman's touch. She's wearing my clothes right now. This is his. All right, fine. Wait, what? Explain the military haircut that you chose to go in. That's easy.

With Love is Blind. If you watched the first episode, all I said was from the start, I have been single for six and a half years, I put zero effort into meeting anybody. That's what that look was. But I have always had a latent interest in fashion and more oddly textiles.

Why did it take you so long to explore that avenue of fashion? Did she give you permission? Because I was extremely, I was very fulfilled by fishing and spearfishing and work. And then it's like, you know, passions and interests, they take time, they're time consuming. And like, I was like out of time. Um, and marrying Taylor and being with the extremely fashionable and beautiful person,

I'm like, I would love to explore that side of myself now. And actually, you know, she, so this is what I did say. I think I, hopefully it came off, but like Taylor more so inspired me to explore that side of myself and want to be more presentable and aesthetically pleasing and fashionable. And it's just fun to go to events and like dress up and with your partner.

But if you're going- Not all guys think that's fun too. That's true. If you're dressing up and your partner's dressing down, you feel kind of like, man, so, you know, I want to also like be there, but I promise you, Taylor's never said anything besides the hair comment, never said anything about my looks once.

I never said I didn't like your hair. And we could strike that from the record, because if she didn't say that then she's Taylor. Which hair, the old hair? It was like a comment. It was terrible. Whoa. Whoa.

Nick. The buzz card. I say this as a middle-aged man who like still has his hair, but is very like, it could go any day, you never really know. And like you have a beautiful head his hair, but is very like, it could go any day. You never really know. And like you have a beautiful head of hair. And I think it's disrespectful to men and hair for you to be able to grow that and show what you showed on television.

Dude, I don't like, I just never, I'm like, ah, it takes time. It takes time. And I've always only had a buzz cut. It's like the longest my hair has ever been. And just, the buzz cut is one thing. You had the military crew cut. At the reveal, I almost was like, are you actually in the military?

And I got that a lot and I never get it now. Say that. Yeah. It felt like you, it felt like you y'all were out somewhere and you saw this like wild cool t-shirt and you were like, this is kind of cool until it was like, Oh yeah, it is. And you were like, really? And it like gave you the permission to like lean in.

She never does anything like that though. That's a beautiful thing. Taylor, like if I still sat here and looked like crap, which I mean, you know, I'm offended by my prior self. Thank you. Finally someone said it, Nick. You didn't look like crap. It was a choice.

You looked like you didn't care. No, it's true. And I did put no energy into it. I wore like, I wore very particular clothes that you can't, doesn't come off on camera, but I didn't really care about putting together a look good because I did put no energy into it. I wore like, I wore very particular clothes that you can't, it doesn't come off on camera, but I didn't really care about putting together a look good because I wasn't trying to attract anybody, but no, Taylor, that's the beautiful thing about Taylor.

She, she doesn't care. She's like, if I didn't like dress in a certain way, she's like, she wouldn't push me in that direction. She wouldn't feel bad. She's like, I love you as you are. You're beautiful, handsome, like all these things. Taylor's great, but I'm just glad that now I'm sure she secretly does like appreciate that I dress

At all interesting I definitely do I feel like when I Finally got to that point with Nick. It was like why don't we like throw out the skinny jeans? It could be fun to maybe go like a bag here What's weird is though people jump on you I've seen people like hit the reunion fit and they're like, oh, those pants are like, they're baggy, they're loose-fitting. But it's like in my reveal pic or whatever, the beginning, they're like, those pants are too tight.

It's like, come on now. You gotta understand something about reality TV is loved by middle America. And while, you know, like rock stars, for example, they appreciate a fashion choice, but when it comes to the reality TV, the people watching you don't appreciate risk taking of any kind. Yeah.

It's giving pumpkin spice. Yeah, they're just, I mean listen, they're looking to shit on you and rip on you and when you make bold choices, you're just giving them a softball. Ammo, yeah. Yeah, so good on you for not listening to them. No, I love it.

And I mean, also it was interesting in the pods. Like I had just come back from New York Fashion Week and Garrett was like, I'd love to go to New York Fashion Week. And I was like, really? And then you started talking. Who are you? I was like, there's an actor over there.

He does physics. And she sees me crying. She's like, he was lying. He loves his family and he likes fashion. And like, I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. And you described this jacket you were wearing for like 20 minutes. Oh my God. The date ended. I was describing Shishiko fabric to her. And I was like, they normally give you a heads up and I went long and like the date ended. I was like, Oh my

God, what an idiot. No, there was like a, there was like a, they're like a minute left and Garrett's like still going off. And it was like, we're going to just have to keep. And then this year, you know, ironically you got invited to model in New York Fashion Week and I went with him and was like the little Instagram wife. This is before you were famous. No, yeah, the relationship has been like over a year in the making.

People just saw your face. Yeah, no, no, no, no, I followed this guy. So, no, yeah, no, I followed this guy since before the show and he's like, he does upcycling, like with really old textiles that have like a great story behind them. He goes and he seeks out like old textiles from Turkey and stuff. Like the first piece he made for me was this Anatolian like shirt blanket made from mohair, which is type of sheep wool that he turned into this really badass like bomber jacket. And I went to, so he's in San Diego. Naturally, I was in San Diego last year. So I hit him up and he's like, yeah, come on.

I was like, cause they're expensive. I was like, let me see what these textiles are. And it's really interesting. And to meet another guy who's interested in like fabrics and different types of weaves and stuff, it's like, it's very unique. So we hit it off right away and I bought a piece from him and then asked him if he'd be interested in doing a reunion fit. And we stayed in touch. I've visited him like two more times and he was like, Hey, you want to come model for me in fashion week?

And I was like, you mean like, like this, you've seen this? And he was like, dude, yeah, a hundred percent. Let's do it. So I was like, okay. like, like you seen this and he was like, dude, yeah, 100% let's do it. So I was like, okay, I was super nervous but. You're very handsome. Yeah. Just say thank you. Thanks Nick. Just say thank you.

I've made it very clear as much as I love this show, I'm shallow and superficial and love is not blind for me. Like I couldn't do that. Like the curtains would go up and I'd probably be like, no. That's a compliment by the way, Natalie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like I just, but you both must have,

despite the crew cut, you both must have been like, fuck yes, because you're both very attractive people and it really seems like you guys fit. And that must have been a really nice cherry on top. No, I mean. No, I mean, to be completely honest, Garrett and I were not attracted to each other at first. What?

What? Like we were like really in, I think we were really in love with each other. Yeah. Well, I think it's not because I didn't think he was a good looking guy and it's not because he didn't think I was a good looking person,

it's because your brain just explodes when you do the reveal. I can't describe the simulation that we were in in a good way. But for 10 days of falling in love with someone by just talking about things and then you don't really build up an image in your mind and then the doors open and there's 70 cameras on you.

You're excited and your adrenaline's rushing but you're still kind of like, what just happened to me? But then like we got to Cabo together and had, you can put your face, their voice is still trying to be a part of their face. Yeah, yeah, it's weird. And so, and then in Cabo, I was like, oh yeah, this guy's really hot. Like I'm more comfortable, I can,

this is the person on the other side. I it's really hard to describe. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everyone that like goes through that experience and has this reveal, the viewers will never appreciate it. They will never appreciate it. You like I particularly, I was melting down.

Like I was freaking, I was, my nerves were in a million pieces and I was horrible. But the reveal, you know, the reel comes to you, see, tell, and you're like, you're just like, Oh, hi, and you're beautiful and like all this and that. And then you don't know what, you get out of there and you're just like kind of in a daze and you're like, what happened? Like, I don't even remember what she looks like.

And this is everybody. So don't let anyone fool you. And then you get the Cabo and that's where like really, you're like, all right, am I attracted to this person? And yeah, like right away, you know, when I got the Cabo, I'm like, God, what was I freaking thinking? Like, this is crazy.

Like I'm in love. I suppose when you say it like that, you're right, because if cameras weren't on you, you didn't have to worry about that, you'd probably just like awkwardly and weirdly like stare at each other and look each other up and down and really analyze who they are and what they look like, but you can't do that,

because that would look weird. Kissing you is really great though. That was great, yeah. You're really great kisser. I'm not gonna lie, yeah, I was definitely like trying to like just kill the awkwardness with kisses, you know? That was my idea.

Yeah. That's what I do. I think that's what, I mean, we heard Brittany and Leo kind of talk about this whole aspect of it as well and her being like, I wish, honestly, that I would have kissed him more because I was just saying the most crazy shit. It's so weird.

You can't recreate that moment ever again. It's like- Should we talk about finances? Or how many kids you want right now? This is the time. Fong, so how do you spell that? This entire cast was pretty open about sex and you guys kind of getting physical fairly quickly.

I'm not, I don't remember exactly when you guys talked about it, but given how intense the reveal is and you guys, like you said, described not even remembering what each other looked like, like what conversations did you have about intimacy in Cabo? Once you like started being alone and was that like, was it just more of you guys got drunk and it happened or what did you guys talk it through? Like, what was that like?

I mean, honestly that those conversations started in the pods, but Taylor and I didn't want to talk about it what was that like? I mean, honestly, that those conversations started in the pods, but Taylor and I didn't want to talk about it in public. Like, I mean, there were several things we agreed, we agreed not to talk about like family trauma and like sex stuff. And this is day two, I think they have you talking about sex. So like we were like very hesitant to do that. And Taylor came up with the great idea to let's just write notes to one another

and like, kind of like do it in that way way because we wanted to still see about compatibility and still connect with someone. I mean you're at risk of like losing this person if you don't connect with them at a deeper level. So that's what we decided to do. And we've always been very like kind of careful about how we talk about it on camera because it's just it's a private thing. Yeah, it's it's also like besides like my mom texting me on the way to dropping me off at like the the train station to go

To the pod. She's like no shower scenes That's like the first thing on your note to her is like I love showers On camera I felt like there is something wrong with me me because you're in Cabo and everyone's talking about what they're doing in the bedroom and it's obviously an important part of a relationship especially to get married for sure, but I just, I never got there that I was comfortable talking about on camera.

And that's okay. There's other people that are totally fine sharing that. I just, I knew I was gonna be watching this with my parents and I actually have to be with them for forever so I didn't feel in type of way about it you know because you do worry about that guys like because I mean when you're with your boys that's kind of like what is like you know you just it's kind of locker room talk kind of stuff and that's the beauty of this experience that like gets you out of that that groove but these guys

are even cool with it like Nick was even talking about it too which you know it's kind of a shock to the viewers is like he doesn't want to talk about sex I don't care, you know But we did talk about it because you're hanging out kind of before you do see your person in Cabo with the boys a little Bit and we both play say, you know, I don't really want to you know I just it's not I don't want that to be our story, you know I don't want that to be kind of like our brand. So well that makes it makes a lot of sense So is it good?

That makes a lot of sense. So is it good? No, I'm just kidding. So do you want to talk about it now? No, she did make a comment though on the, it didn't air. I mean, there were some fun moments. No, not that one. I was like, no, no, share.

No, the chemistry grade. Oh yeah, I was like, Gary gets an A in physical chemistry. But we're pushing back. Very PG, very PG. Yeah, nice little science pun. Nick and Vanessa appreciate it. No, we really tried to push back on that, because they're pushing it, they wanna know.

And they try to make it sound, there's value in this, and it's like, well yeah, but that's between us, we got that. I thought it was really interesting, specifically this season, and you look at just other couples like Marissa and Ramses, and it almost seemed like sex was maybe a reason that destroyed the connection that they had, because it almost seemed like

their relationship, at least the way they talked about it, was so hot and heavy early on, and almost as if their relationship became more about their physical connection, and then every other conversation kinda seemed centered around that, and it seemed to be a big reason why they ultimately didn't work out.

So it kinda, it can cut cut both ways where, you know. Yeah, I honestly don't have a ton of visibility into like the, like everything that happened and all the conversations between Marissa and Ramses. But yeah. Yeah. No, no, I think you're, it's obviously what was focused on,

but they're having a ton of other conversations besides that. So who knows what percentage, but I know it didn't seem like that was ultimately what broke them off. I don't know. It's hard to tell. Taylor and I were so focused on each other, honestly throughout the whole thing that you have very little time to talk to anybody else.

I know I talked to Tyler quite a bit and I talked to Tim, but outside of that, I didn't really talk to anybody else because I wasn't going out. I wasn't doing anything I was working working out and hanging out with Taylor and getting to know Taylor and seeing if I'm gonna marry this person That was those are like my three priorities this entire thing Yeah and I think just like to his point that like your physical connection with someone is something that you could have a focus on and It could be too much of a focus to the point that like you're not getting to the things that you absolutely need to get

To the end of this and like I do think that the physicality is important, but I think it comes like, it's even better when you kind of get all those other fundamentals in line first. It can make it harder for two people to remain objective about their feelings, you know, sex affects your body chemistry, men and women differently. And this is, again, we know it's a TV show, it can be edited, but this is the impression I got was just their relationship was very physical. And then here's Marissa seemingly just head over heels

for this man, seemingly ignoring what looks like a bunch of red flags, and it kind of gave, like she just was so into him and the chemistry that she couldn't see the forest through the trees. Meanwhile, a lot of their disconnects seemed to be around that. So, you know, it's just interesting how sex can play a role

and two people in terms of how you guys decided to approach that, at least it seemed like you were allowed to remain objective. Because that's what I really enjoyed watching you two fall in love in the pods. I found you guys really interesting because of how transparent

and how much you guys described your feelings and just every step along the way, you two brought us kind of into the relationship, it felt like, which was really enjoyable. And I think that was kind of new for couples who start in love and finish in love on that show. Yeah, I mean, it was really special to watch your love story back.

And Garrett and I are like such logical people with like very technical jobs. And we went in with like, maybe there's a 1% chance my person is here. And then to have these like feelings that are like kind of undescribable, having to do that in a visual medium, like I think was just kind of how it all played out.

Like, you know, Garrett saying every molecule of my body and I was like, oh my God, we're so nerdy. Yeah. That was off the dome. For the record. Off the dome nerd. We watched, for the most part, y'all were very drama free. We did see one fight play out on screens.

We were very, Nick and I, I think, were very understanding of the route you took to go about this information, I think. Well, that's more like a say for myself. I'm not condoning it, but I can be logical. Well, no, it wasn't a lie though, that's the thing. No omission? No, no, I swear, this is what I'm not condoning it, but I can be logical. Well, no, it wasn't a lie though. That's the thing. No, a mission?

No, no, I swear. This is what I'm saying, and I'd love to clear this up. This is not how this went down. And I didn't approach it the right way because Taylor and I up to this point, we were so connected walking through this entire experiment that the only way that we felt like we were gonna get to the end

is if our communication was extremely upfront, quick and heavy. And we always talked about things things and we even make it a point to like, if something was really heavy, you bring it up off camera and like, we'll handle this together. Cause our goal wasn't to make a TV show. Our goal was to figure out if we're going to get married or not. So like, that was our primary focus was each other. And the only way we're going to do that is if we communicate early and often.

And this was the first instance where I didn't do that. I received a text early in the morning. Taylor was still asleep. I was getting up before I'm like going to work. I saw the text and I was like, eh, you know, it was, it was, it was something very harmless that like, you know, this ex who we haven't been romantically involved in a long time, but you still eventually like send like little cute videos or whatever of like her niece.

And so that's all it was. It was harmless and responded and then moved on and then it was like, you know, I'll bring this up to Taylor later. You're also, it's a very chaotic context of like, I'm working all day, less than I usually normally do. So I have to squeeze a lot in and then you immediately go into filming and the camera's on your face. And so I didn't stop and like think to bring this to Taylor in the middle of the

day, like that's where I made my biggest mistake was like to bring this to Taylor sooner and let us work through this. So then we get, we fast forward to the party and we're sitting there, uh, at a bar right before the party and we're like, just waiting to like go in. And I took a picture of like Taylor's hands and like, just on the shot. It was like, I haven't started a picture, but evermind I was like, I'm posted to my story Taylor said soft launch. Like, oh yeah.

And that's where it triggered. I was like, oh yeah, this is good. Like it'll help keep the wolves at bay. And I mentioned to her that next to texting me and all of a sudden, like her, she started to react like, well, what was it, you know? And so then, so then it became, I saw it quickly. It was, it was like, oh shoot, this was a huge miss on my part. Like this is a big deal.

And I didn't think about it because I thought it was very benign and not important. Again, out of relationship for six and a half years, I'm not thinking about these kinds of things and it didn't mean anything to me. So I didn't think about it. You were broken up with this person for six and a half years. Yeah. So it didn't mean anything to me. Right.

And so I didn't think about it, you know, think about it after obviously short. So I wasn't thinking about the details when I told her what happened And so I didn't think about it. No, think about it after obviously short. So I wasn't thinking about the details. When I told her what happened, I truly wasn't thinking about, all right, what happened, let's, let's walk through it. Let's open it up, show the phone, all this stuff. And immediately, like we talked about it and like, I shut it down and respond to like, Hey, I'm in a relationship, all this stuff.

And that's what you see play out the rest of the night. And then, yeah, when I get in front of Ashley and Tyler, like I say, yeah. And I responded, she's like, wait a minute, you responded. I'm like, wait, didn't I say that? I thought I said that, you know, like I say, yeah, and I responded, she's like, wait a minute, you responded? I'm like, wait, didn't I say that? I thought I said that. It wasn't an omission, and I promise you. And Taylor, had I been truly lying to Taylor, but I get your perspective,

because people have said that they're like, well, he lied to like, because he thought it wasn't a big deal, whatever, to keep it calm. But I truly didn't intentionally deceive Taylor in any way. That makes sense, and I don't even mean it meant like you did. It was more like, I just feel like sometimes in those moments, you receive a text or something, and you can have the absolute best of intentions.

Like it seems like you did in a high pressure environment or a triggering situation that you could be sensitive to. It's like, sometimes you're just like, what is the absolute best way to do this? And just knowing it could be triggering things can snowball. And it's just like, it was more like that. It felt like it was something like that where even though whether you meant to or not, it seemed like you had the best of intentions. And I think sometimes in those situations,

like I just understood that, where like you might have to apologize for not handling it the best the way that you could have. I never, as a viewer, stopped trusting your character in that situation. Cause I just feel like, I don't know, you could just kind of tell. I never, as a viewer, stopped trusting your character in that situation. Cause I, you know, I just feel like, I don't know, you could just kind of tell.

Yeah, it didn't come off shady. It came off like, this is a bad time to tell you something, but I do, we do need to have this conversation, but we like, we're about to walk into a party. There's cameras. There's like, we know what we're doing. I'm such an idiot. Yeah, we're flying to San Diego, 6 a.m. the next day.

And I'd kind of put an artificial timeline, not artificial, but a different timeline of not just getting to the altar, but I didn't want you to meet my parents and ask my dad for my hand in marriage if I wasn't sure. And so having to figure that out super quickly. And so I knew that you were a great guy. And my gut told me you weren't lying to me,

but the facts at the time, like, were really tough as a person who's like a collection of human experiences of like dating people that haven't worked out and being with guys that have lied to me and have cheated on me. And you're seeing all these relationships fall apart around you. And so it was tough, but I know that you weren't lying to me

and we got through it and seriously like never even think about it. How did you put that to bed, that whole her reaching out or did you ever hear from her again? No and that's the thing like yeah it wasn't it was nothing I saw I responded like the whole shutdown text and then um I blocked her and like just made it all clear and was like I just want I want to make this really clear like I have no interest in this person right like let's let's put it to bed and we really honestly we haven't even talked about it since that day until the show started coming out, people started saying things and people are

attacking my character and stuff like that's when we started actually talking about it, but I, I like, I totally understand Taylor's reaction. I defended her all along with, because you know, you're getting asked to like, do you think she overreacted? I'm like, hell no. Like this is, this is a really tight timeline and you're walking a tight rope to the altar and any one little thing that comes up to like knock you down, you feel like your whole world's crashing down. You have to put all trust in this partner.

If anything shows that it's like kind of smells out of character, you're questioning everything. For sure. Don't you think it's kind of a coincidence that she reached out after six and a half years? Well, no, we had, like I said, like, Sue still would send like occasional messages, but they were very few and far between.

They were chatted. Yeah, yeah, it was, but yeah. I didn't like reach out and like say, hey, by the way, like heads up. So I always like far between. They were chatted. Yeah, yeah, it was, but yeah. I didn't reach out and say, hey, by the way, heads up. So I always was like- We're getting married. Yeah, I didn't. So it would have been nice to like, hey, by the way, I hope you're good.

This is gonna come out. People may reach out to you. Yeah, you're not just in a relationship. You've done a show. You're gonna be a celebrity. You're married. Yeah, there is definitely more to a story. And I feel bad for her.

Like I genuinely, if I were in her position, I'd be crushed. And like, I never wanted you to tell her to fuck off or like make her feel worse. It's an anomalous, incredible situation that we're in. And like, clearly like she still had hope that you guys would still be together. And so, yeah, I do feel bad.

Listen, everyone has exes. Everyone at some point has to move on. I personally don't think it's that deep. I think watching it, I appreciate this context that you're giving because I think watching it, it just came off to me very much just like, this is a bad time, but I wanna tell you something.

And then you got kind of caught up in everything. It didn't come off shady to me whatsoever. So, but I am very glad to hear this context. Should we jump to reunion? Sure, sure. Okay. We love the holidays. Y'all know I love a holiday,

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You guys weren't crazy. I've liked that for five hours. Just like that, this is being Garrett. Yeah, it was a lot of- It was frustrating, because you go up first, you go up front, like you're to ask you questions And then you sit there for ever and just you're just emotionally exhausted at this point You're like, holy cow and then ask you questions again. You're like

Yes We're still alive. I know I wish I was like can we take five before I like share happy stories and I like can do some jumping jacks What do you think caught the two of you off guard most between, I guess, the Hannah and Nick of it all, the Ramses, Marissa? Was it Nancy calling Steven out saying, we want to hear the texts? What do you think caught you off guard the most? Marissa and Ramses caught me off off guard. Um, just because I thought they were, you have a year to talk about this stuff with your ex and like hash it out.

And I thought they were on, on really good terms going into that. So I was pretty, but it's fresh, right? I don't blame Marissa for maybe feeling like we just watched this in a hotel room by herself and I cried. I cried, I bawled my eyes out. Like that was rough and to have to relive and I cried. I bawled my eyes out. Like that was rough and to have to relive and process that. But then like.

Yeah, it's a weird feeling. It's a weird feeling. So yeah, that I think that really surprised me. Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. Cause I'm friends with Ramzes and so talking to him about it, he's like, yeah, we've been talking for a year and we feel good. And we're like, we're, you know,

kind of frustrated with maybe how it's portrayed or how people are receiving it. And so let's, we're going in this together. So it sounded very unified and then it didn't play out that way and you're like, well, what's happening here? But to Taylor's point it's understandable because it is really fresh.

You did just watch it for the first time and you're like, it's heavy. It's heavy, it's everyone's soul. During the reunion, you made a comment, Garrett, where you were like, during the Nick D and Hannah feud, and you were like, this is so annoying. I don't know what you said. This is immature and I'm waiting for,

I'm counting down the seconds for it to be over. I really agreed with you there. Dude, I'm telling you what, I was squirming in my seat. I wish I'd have said more to the context of like, I feel like we're throwing stones in glass houses. This is ridiculous, but I couldn't, I could hardly get anything out. My nerves were so worked up. And I was just tailing around, I was like, I don stones in glass houses. This is ridiculous, but I couldn't, I could hardly get anything out. My nerves were so worked up.

And I was just telling her, I was like, I won't say too much. Yeah, because it's like, if you say something, I felt like Hannah was trying to get you involved. And like, we're not gonna solve anything here. I don't think we're gonna help anything. Your time to solve this was months ago, not here now. Like, it just seems ridiculous.

I was bummed for Hannah because we had a brief conversation with her and she was like, yeah, no, like she said early in the reunion, I can improve my tact and my timing and my deliveral and all those things. And then at the reunion, Nick said this very gracious thing where he wanted to defend Hannah. And then all of a sudden, it seemed like she used that

as what she was hoping is like a Nick takedown. It felt like. And it just like her friends going through his journal or whatever that was. We really glossed over that, didn't we? It felt really icky. I mean, it was just like, yeah, we were at the house and my friends were like, let's go through his stuff.

And then we read that like he wants to be the most famous guy on Love is Blind. It's like, okay, so what? My stance is if you go on a reality TV show and then you, I don't care what your intentions are or why you go, but if you have an active social media and you are benefiting from the fame that you have, you don't get to accuse other people of going on for fame.

You all went on with, I'm guessing, a million different reasons. It seems like you guys were open to love. You said, even yourself, you thought maybe there's a 1% chance you'd meet your person, right? So like, does that mean you guys went in for fame? Of course not, right? You were open to the experience.

It's always feels really icky when people like use these tropes of reality TV to try to publicly take someone down. And honestly, like of all the talking Hannah did about working on herself in growth, it really felt like she completely ruined that for herself in that moment to try to, she came across honestly to me a little petty, a little vindictive. And honestly, Marissa, I didn't mind because Marissa seems like they're friends. She has her feelings about how things went down with Ramses. So to me, it was like she's having her girls back. So I didn't really mind Marissa getting involved.

I was really disappointed in Hannah. And yeah, it was just seemed like you kind of were relying. I mean, this is what I will say. The internet's mean and she probably got a ton of backlash for how she acted on the show. And she sounds like she understands that, whether she's working or not. I don't know if she does, because how can you do,

how can you understand that and then try to get the same thing to happen to Nick? Yeah, I think that this pressure makes you do crazy things and maybe that's what explains it, but. Yeah, I don't want to make excuses for Hannah. I feel like it was an opportunity to just try to clear the slate. And like, I feel like Nick made an honest effort to do that. And I'd never, I don't think I started out in knowing Nick D and being like, I'm going to feel really sorry for this guy at the end of it. And I do, I really do. And so, yeah, I do feel like it was a missed opportunity

for Hannah, but I also have to like applaud her for sticking to who she is and she doubled down. Like, she certainly did. Didn't she tell me to shut up at some point? Yeah, there was a,h. I'm speaking. It's like, okay, I guess. Same old Hannah. Cool.

You could have done something different that moment that I think would have been much better. But yeah. We'll never know if Nick D made the comments about Hannah that she is accusing him of saying, I know it finally got to a point where Ramses kind of started to be like, Nick, you gotta start, you gotta take accountability. Yeah, but honestly, that makes me really upset because even if Nick said those things, does that justify or make it any better

to belittle a person like that over and over and over again on national television? I don't think so. I think that like you trying to dig up this one thing that justifies your behavior doesn't solve anything. It's like this backwards justification, but it's like I said, it's very stones and glass houses to me. It's like, this seems very, you know, I mean, you can question anybody's judgment. You can do the whole thing like, well, you weren't here for the right reasons. You know, you can say that about anybody and it just falls flat because you don't know. But yeah. And if a girl did it to a guy or a guy did it to a girl, vice versa, it would be

way, I feel like it'd be taken way worse. Like, Oh, a hundred percent. And I'll tell you about Nick. Like, did he say things right after like the first reveal of like, that like, well, I wasn't really attracted to her. I mean, Taylor and I just admitted we weren't sure right after the first reveal. Right. This is a normal thing.

That moment on I've like, every time I talked to Nick privately, it was very, he was, he seemed, it was very convincing. I'm talking privately off camera, like bro talk, and you know how Nick talks. He even have no problems saying his truth, and he always said nice things. Exactly. Reading between the lines of that whole drama,

it felt like whatever Nick's allegedly said, he said it off camera in the privacy of these guys, probably egging him on or just asking what he really thinks and then he says something, again, regardless of what he said, but like it's like Hannah and Marissa and Ramses and everyone else were just trying to egg him on. And you said this and it's just like, well,

why would you want him to admit something that would be cruel to public? It's just like, it's contradictory of like what you're trying to accomplish here, just so you can take the guy down and to do what, so you can share in the criticism that you're receiving. It just felt really icky and gross. And clearly Nick was trying to be the polite guy.

I mean, it is Love is Blind, the show. And so part of the fascination of the show is, while you two didn't care, some people do. Some people, like myself, if I agreed to go of the show is while you two didn't care, some people do, some people, like myself, if I agreed to go on the show, I honestly wonder how I would handle that reveal and what I would put myself. I don't think well. Yeah, I would not.

I would not. But like Nick, it's like you could tell during the reunion, Nick was just like, the wolves would have come for him. And then you have Hannah who had this glow up. It just felt really icky what they were trying to do to him. And then, yeah. Like you look beautiful.

Like you do, people are dying to see your fun side. And like there is a lot of opportunities to come, just like take the roses and leave the thorns. I don't know, but. I feel like I can speak for all of us when we say like, saying negative things about anyone is not okay. You know, I think her trying to bring that up and I, and I do, they did show Marissa saying, I think you need to say it.

So it was obviously something they had talked about. It was like, I don't know if I'll bring it up. Maybe I should, maybe I shouldn't. You know, Marissa was like, I think you should. And it felt very much like I've been getting a lot of hate, and now I think you need to get a lot of hate, which is icky. Yeah. At the end of the day, thinking about The Reunion,

it is something that if I had to face a tumultuous ex after this really big thing that we did in a very public way, like in the internet's way, thousands and millions of people are weighing in on your relationship and who you are, like, I can't throw stones from a glass house. It's fucking tough to go up there and you work that up in your mind for a year

and get up there and you're like, this is my 10 minutes and the last biggest platform I'll have to speak my truth. That's a tough thing to balance too. But I do agree that trying to throw more hate at Nick was not gonna, I don't think it was gonna make you hopefully not feel better, but. We weren't there. We weren't there and all their conversations tough Hannah was obviously frustrated about the relationship and so I will give her credit like I don't know what she was going through

Maybe he was saying things but he wasn't doing I don't know I genuinely don't and I'm trusting that my thing is You had an entire year to resolve whatever it is This goes for everybody up there You have an entire year to resolve this stuff. If you truly were cared about growth and understanding that, well, you would not have waited till the reunion to try to like air stuff out. I feel like you had an entire year to address it.

That's probably where it should have been done. If you do wait till the reunion, it feels very. Performative and demonstrative and just doesn't feel genuine. Have you kept in touch with Steven at all? Kept in touch. Yeah, we, I definitely reach out to him and like, how are you doing? And like checking on him and stuff. So like, we're not like, Hey, what are you doing this Friday?

But I definitely have checked in on him because I, we were there for the whole experience and my heart was heavy for him. Cause I knew how this is going to come off. You know, obviously my heart's heavy for Monica for obvious reasons, but the, you know, the bad guy in the scenario doesn't being told to kill yourself over and over again by thousands of people and that you're just a piece of shit human that deserves to not be here anymore is like,

it's nothing that we want for any person in our lives. It's gonna break anybody. I mean, I didn't get near as much and I still was broke at the moment, so. Yeah, well you obviously don't condone that and unfortunately internet is, it is what it is. That's also one of their favorite things. Yeah, they love to say that.

To say. It's just one of the, you know, and maybe I'm desensitized to it because I've had so much experience with online hate and things like that. And I've also had some very good lessons, you know? I tell this story several times, but I'd figures back,

I got this message on Instagram from this person, no, it was on Twitter, I'm sorry, it was on Twitter. And it was like, hey Nick, can you unblock me on Instagram? And at that point I hadn't blocked someone in years because I just, I stopped doing it, I don't really care, I don't read comments, but early on when I was on TV I would block someone and the girl was like, hey, can you unblock me from Instagram? I'm really sorry for calling you an ugly troll or whatever it was.

But in my defense, she says, I was 12. And it was a really great lesson. And I kind of laughed at it. I did like a poll on Twitter, like, hey guys, you think I should unblock this person? And like those comments obviously are never okay. But I think sometimes you just have to remember potentially who is online and who, you know,

you don't know these people, you know, unfortunately parents are giving their 12 year olds phones and they can say the craziest shit. I don't condone that. I just, I do think simultaneously, it doesn't alleviate Steven to have to address his behavior. And you know, why he came on the show. I think Monica made a really great point

because even his explanation at the reunion was kind of like old me would have did this and but new me was like, just, you know, I unlock my phone and said something like that and to me it was like well all I'm hearing is a guy who clearly hasn't figured himself out yet and Love is Blind isn't the place to figure out whether you are a faithful person you know and things like that and here you are entering into a relationship with a woman who clearly has opened up about her past relationships and put herself

out there, got engaged, you know? Like as someone who has gotten engaged on reality TV, like it's easy for me to be like, it's not really the same, but I still have to be like I was engaged before. It's still on my resume, so to speak. And Steven stole that from Monica.

That's exactly what I said to her that night. I was like, I'm really sorry that this terrible thing happened to you with cameras in your face, but he doesn't get to take any more moments away from you. I don't think they met their parents at that point. You're not trying out, your mom's not seeing you in a wedding dress.

I know it's shitty and I can't tell you how to feel, but I can say from a third party perspective, thank God you found out now, like until later. And I think Monica really truly believed that. And like, she's in a great and like super happy relationship and has very much moved on. So what is your opinion of his behavior on social media? I actually don't follow any of the cast right now,

just because I didn't. You can tell these are very healthy people. No, truly. Yeah, it's honestly kind of boring guys. Come on. I was kidding. No, it's very nice. It's a breath of fresh air. You guys operate like you've. No, truly. Yeah, it's honestly kind of boring. Guys, come on. I was kidding. No, it's very nice.

It's the breath of fresh air. You guys operate like you've done this a few times. And I mean, that is a compliment because it's easier said than done to not engage with, it's just, it's easy to listen to the noise. It's very hard to disconnect, focus on what's in front of you. Most people don't do that.

I was so type A about going into this and like just so you hear so many horror stories about people on reality television and like hearing stuff that I think I like overdid it or I made like a ton of boundaries about certain things to just because we got married. Like it's different than if I just went on something and then I'm just worrying about myself,

like my mental health and how I'm doing affects our relationship. And like that, that's what fucking scared me to death going into this is like, what's gonna happen when like all these people say a bunch of stuff about us, even though we were super strong going into it, like you hear these Was it a very, I mean, Nick and I have been kind of on this page, this is something he's taught me of just like, you just don't, you don't go looking for it. You don't read anything, you don't read your comments, you don't read DMs, you don't, God forbid, go on Reddit, you don't read articles about yourself. Like ignorance is bliss in this environment, in this industry.

Is that kind of the way that y'all approached it? Or you just- That was my goal. Like I agreed to not read comments, go on Reddit and like read DM. Like I would only like, I put on filters so people can't send me certain things, certain messages with certain words.

And that's been great. And people, a lot of it's like the people, the friends that like will send you things like, oh my God, did you see us? Did you hear, yeah, the cousins, the friends, yeah. Yeah, and you have to correct them a little bit. And it's like, I know you're trying to look out for me, but please don't bring me negative things.

Like, I didn't even know that was a thing, so thanks. I'm a little different. I'm lucky that it's been relatively positive, unless I've been completely just delusional and all my filters are broken. I've seen the comments, I've seen the comments. She's gotten a lot of love. I feel terrible for Garrett where it's like,

my husband's coming home and he's really destroyed. The first time that you told me that someone told you to kill yourself broke my heart. It's hard. It's a weird feeling. You feel like you're prepared for that and you're ready for that and you're like, I don't care who whatever this person is, but you're just like,

whoa, holy shit. If people don't like my takes on certain things, I'll get a DM that's like, that was an awful take, you should kill yourself. I mean, it's like, it really is crazy. And it's sad, but it's true. It's just like, our audience is largely women. When they're disappointed at me, it's like,

they say that, I'm just a little disappointed, Nick. And for the same comment, they'll tell Natalie she's a ugly whore who should kill herself. Jesus. Which is so wild because like, I've never even left a comment on someone's thing that I don't know, except if it was like, tag three friends for free bikinis.

No way. That's it. That is how I operate as well. And so it is crazy to me to think that like, people feel like they can just like drop their opinion, And so it is crazy to me to think that like people take, feel like they can just like drop their opinion, their negative opinion on someone's personal page or DM them something nasty.

I will never understand. The moment you call them out, they're like, oh. Oh yeah. It's like they immediately back down. It's like, do you not realize like what you're saying? They're like, oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, you're right. No, I love you.

I love you so much. Thank you for responding. Yeah, thanks King. Like what the fuck? Yeah, but that oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, you're right. You're right, no, I love you. I love you so much. Thank you for responding. Yeah, thanks, King. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, but that's kind of the point. It's like that's 12 year old girl behavior, right? Or, you know, maybe they're not all 12 year olds, but like, it's just.

You have a vendetta against this person. Have you met them? He does, yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, you should reach back out and be like, hey, girl. I'm very appreciative. I'm very appreciative. I think I unblocked her.

I was listening to this years ago, but I was very appreciative of the lesson, you know? It's like I was appreciative of the perspective that she was able to offer me. You need that reminder. Yeah, it was just a reminder because like I said, we're very good at staying offline, we're very good at reading comments,

but every once in a while it'll still find you. And you can be in this business for a while and it still affects you. You can't help how it affects you. The difference is how you process it after you're affected by it and you just kinda get better at reminding you this person doesn't know me, this doesn't affect me.

Because your instinct is to try to convince them. When I first got criticism online, I almost was like, I wouldn't meet anyone willing to meet me because it was like, I'm gonna show you who I really am. And it's like, you can't do that. That's not sustainable. So you kind of have to give up on that and let it go

and just be comfortable with, the internet is the matrix. It's not even real, because you can go on, even Steven, for all the hate that he's getting, I promise you, if Steven walks into a bar in DC, he'll be treated like a rock star. Yeah, yeah, you're right. They'll all take pictures with him. They'll all be like, oh my God,

and even they'll be like, honestly, I'm kind of into kings and like, they'll all do pictures with them. They'll all be like, oh my God. And even they'll be like, honestly, I'm kind of like into kings. And they'll all do that, right? And it's not real. Yeah, right? Wait, what are your kings doing? No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no.

You want to talk about it? Let's talk about it. Why didn't you want to talk about sex? No, I resonate with that so much. Lots of fish. I need to get past this. I'm just kidding. No, I'm just kidding.

You're great swimmers. I do. I'm just kidding. No. He has great swimmers. I do. I resonate with that so much because I need to get past this, this season of being public because I do want to address everybody. And I'm like, I can do this. And I'll respond to people. And like, I just posted this morning for the first time, like a spearfishing thing since I've been on the show besides like this one reel I did.

And immediately you're getting like poor fish and how dare you. And you seem like such a good guy. Why can you kill fish? And it's like, I have, I have lots of feelings and opinions about this. Like we could spend the rest of the podcast talking about it. Yeah. So I, I, but I want to like help people. I'm like, if people want to understand, I'm willing to explain, but most people

don't really want to understand. They just want to be entertained. And so that's why they're there. I want your attention. Yeah. Yeah. We're a month in, we're getting used to like, we're gonna at some point not read the comments. Honestly, I give y'all a lot of props.

You seem like you are handling it and navigating it incredibly well. We're lucky to have each other. And willing to listen to each other and help each other out because that's always, I think sometimes, you know, you don't, just let me do what I wanna do and you guys seem, even when maybe Garrett gives in to the internet,

he seems to be willing to listen to you. I'm sure the same people that are throwing me a bunch of love are the same people that are making you feel terrible. And that doesn't, I've been fucking flabbergasted that this has been such a positive experience for me, but like- Just wait. She knows, she's like, she keeps saying my day is coming.

Yeah, I keep saying that. I don't see the signs. I don't know when, but everyone has the day. We'll do a podcast after this. It doesn't really matter. It's just more like people, like it'll just be your turn, you know, and it'll just, and hopefully you will just not notice it, but it's like,

and you're right, you're absolutely right. The same people criticizing him are people who are wanting to protect you, you know? And they identify with you. And like honestly, a lot of people who criticize you, they're not criticizing you, they're criticizing someone who you remind them of an ex. Or you remind them of the one person

who lied when their ex texted it. You know, it's all just a projection of, and that's why we love these shows, because we're watching it because it's either a reflection of us, a reflection of people we've dated before and things like that. So all of the reactions are just that, right? And you just have to be able to disconnect from it.

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How's it going? Good. My name is Ashley. I'm 32 and I am struggling with how to handle issues with my long distance relationship. Very long distance. What do they live? Well, I live in America and they live in Europe. Very long distance. Okay. Fair enough. Other than the obvious, it being very far, what are your biggest struggles? Ultimately, it sounds like it's creating a bigger disconnect than you wish. Yes, so there have been a few smaller things, but it's come to a little bit of a head,

I think with our priorities, maybe, in terms of not really where the relationship is going, but just the relationship in general. So he really likes to kind of do everything, like always, and not in terms of partying, but always has trips plans, always has things to to do he does travel a lot with work and the only reason it's come to a head is because with the distance it's really hard to not see each other once you have a big fight um like you don't have that reconnection you don't have that hug that

kiss that whatever um which hasn't been an issue until now, nine months into it, we had a really big fight. We weren't planning on seeing each other until the first week of December. And I basically said, I can't, I need that reconnection. I need to see you. Can we look at your calendar? Look at my calendar and see if we can make it work. And next weekend, I guess this weekend now, he had a trip tentatively planned. So just blocked off for a guy's trip with people he sees every day, but they had no travel plans, no nothing, no Airbnb booked. And I basically said, hey, for this one weekend, can you just say, guys, I'm sorry, I can't make it. I have somebody else I need to make a priority.

It was the only weekend we could do it basically until either of us until December. And it has now turned into a whole ordeal because he kind of dug his heels in. And I was like, well, now I don't feel important. And it's been. What was the original fight about? That's kind of almost another podcast in and of itself. It was a smaller issue that he admitted. So this is probably important.

He admitted he totally screwed up, like not cheating or anything crazy like that. But it was a smaller issue that he turned into a bigger issue and said some, not mean things, but just some things he shouldn't have said out of anger. That then in turn obviously created me having insecurities and not feeling great about it that I basically was like, I need to see you. We need to see each other. So I guess that I can get into more details if I can. But like I said, it's almost a whole another story in and of itself. Is he American or is he European?

No, he's European. Okay, how'd you guys meet? At Barcelona bar in DC. Okay. That's where I said my first date. Yeah, I remember that. Oh really? Some article.

Obviously like a long distance relationships are difficult. I'm curious when you guys agreed to be boyfriend and girlfriend and try to make this what was going to be a challenge work, like what expectations about like where this relationship might go did you guys have? Well, so that's the other thing. We haven't really, another piece, I've been married before

so I'm really on no timeline so to speak. And when we met, obviously it was to be frank, a one night stand that neither of us had any anticipation of turning into something. And then it just did. Obviously, the connection was great. We've seen each other a lot since then. We haven't had a ton of conversations other than probably by like, theoretically, this time next year, we do need to be talking about if we're still together about, okay, how that looks, who moves where, who does what. So there hasn't been a ton, I guess, of those conversations because we've kind of just been making it work

until this point, right? We haven't really had this conflict with priorities and who do you, you know, you're choosing, now it's like you're choosing your friends that you see every day over me and it's just created kind of another issue. I mean, I know what I think, but I'm curious if you guys have questions.

I guess not questions, but just like being in a relationship with someone that doesn't make you feel secure is pretty much impossible when you're in the same city. But like, I mean, at least for me, prior to meeting Garrett, like it was always an issue for me of like dating in DC, obviously, and I would connect with people in different cities and doing long distance, unless you are 110% and have a plan for where you guys are going to end up in the same place, all the other details of whatever you fight about or when conflict arises, it's going to be really tough to resolve. And so unless you feel like he's giving you clarity and

prioritizing you and making you feel secure. And you're reciprocating that too and making him feel like a priority and making him feel secure and you're putting the time in. I don't know if there's any other advice that I can give that's gonna fix this particular issue to get through the other side. What I'm hearing is that like, I'm always trying to always empathize with both parties

when I hear stuff like this. And so on face value, I guess I can see where he might be coming from. It's like, I had these plans. I know they weren't set, but I got to drop all of this just for what I thought we, I already apologized. You know, he's probably thinking, you know, things like that. So on its face, it might seem like a slightly unreasonable request from you. But my point is why I asked is like, what expectations you have of this relationship going in? It's just like, I guess my point is you can start having these conversations now, right? Because otherwise,

these types of disagreements and disconnects are going to continue to happen. Because I think you're thinking, hey, I need this right now. And I know it's not a normal request. And I know it seems like I'm asking a lot of you, but like we decided to be in this long distance relationship, and this is what you need right now, right? And if he wants to make this long distance relationship work, from time to time, he's going to have to do things outside of the norm of what maybe his buddies are doing in their relationships with people they're dating who live in the same city, right? And so you're saying, I need this, right? And he's just like, well, this feels unreasonable and you're asking too much of me.

But if he's not willing every once in a while to maybe splurge on a ticket or make a trip unexpected, because these things are gonna happen and you're gonna need that connection that he's not willing to give you right now. So to me, it just sounds like this is more of an opportunity to say, like, what are we doing here? Like, going forward, you know, you can't promise each other you're not going to upset each other.

You can't guarantee there's not going to be a fight or a disconnect. But when that does happen, are you both willing to do what needs to be done to bring each other back together? Seems like you are, but he's not seeing it. You know, to give him the benefit of the doubt, I feel like he's not seeing it the way he needs to. And maybe it's because you guys haven't had the conversations you should be having. Like I understand you met in a one night stand and right now you guys are just kind of

enjoying each other's company when you can have it, but like kind of riding on the high of your story of how you met. But like for this to continue on, you're gonna have to get on the same page in terms of where you guys are in terms of like expectations of this relationship. Right. And I think that's kind of certainly where it's gotten to because there's a little bit of, I would call it trauma from a past

relationship where a girl basically always asked him to put her first, had to cancel all of his plans all the time, which frustrates me because I'm like, well, this is one time in nine months I've asked you now to, like, I've never done this before. It's not really who I am that I at least know myself to be in relationships I've been in, like I've said, I've been married. So it's like, he's not taking that at face value. And instead he's trying, he's like, well, I just don't want to set this precedent. I don't want to start this again. And I'm like, well, I'm not your past relationship. I think we obviously since in the past day or two, there's been a little bit more conversation around it.

And now he's kind of trying to make both of them work. He's trying to go on his guys trip and then also trying to come here for like 12 hours. So he's trying to now do both of the things, but it did create this. I was like, okay, am I crazy for asking you to skip one guy's trip weekend? Which he never called me crazy or never, but I'm just like, I was trying to look at it from his perspective because I don't want him to think that that's who I am really at all in a relationship. So his buddies who he sees all the time gets several days and you get 12 hours.

Well, and now that was only because of the way the flights worked. And it's also turned into the other option is which I'm inclined to take those girls probably laugh at me that he is now offering to pay to fly me to Milan for two days and he's going to stay in Rome for two days. So I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I'm a great time of year for Milan. So I'm like, it's kind of, it's starting to maybe work itself out, but I just was, I was like, I think he just likes to do everything. And I told him the other day, I said, as you get older, it's going to come to a head where you're going to have to start making sacrifices.

I mean, he is old, he's 31. I was like, you're going to have to start making sacrifices or otherwise people in your life aren't going to feel important. And I think maybe that has kind of clicked with him but I'm just not sure that's actually come to a head for him really in his life. Well I also just like the word crazy you've thrown around. Like what you guys are attempting to do to have a relationship across continents. It's crazy right? It's kind of crazy. Like it's like not recommended, very hard to do, like it

might work but it's kind of crazy. And's not recommended, very hard to do. It might work, but it's kind of crazy. And my point is, every once in a while, to do this crazy thing that you're doing, you both might have to make crazy choices that he wouldn't otherwise want to make. And that's kind of my point. It's just like, he's so worried, and maybe it is a trauma from his past or whatever,

but he needs to understand that what you both are attempting to do is kind of crazy. So it requires some crazy decisions every once in a while. And you guys can have those conversations and boundaries and expectations around like, yes, if I'm going to demand you to get on a plane every month, that would be really crazy. But I'm not asking that, like you said, like this is the first time I'm asking that. But I do need every once in a while to see you show your willingness to like go out of your way for us, you know, every once in a while when I'm feeling really disconnected,

which I am right now, and he, if he wants to be in this relationship and continue to be in this relationship and see if there's a future there, be willing to do stuff like this. What is your schedule for seeing each other currently? When we initially kind of started, we decided we basically needed to make it work like every four to six weeks. Sometimes it's been every two, now we were

just together for two weeks, like early October to mid October. So it's just, it just depends on what we're doing. But when we initially started and we were looking at both, we both do have busy schedules, right? It's not just about the flygations, we just both have busy schedules. So we decided four to six weeks would be ideal. And sometimes it's been sooner, sometimes it's been in two weeks we've seen each other and then in another two weeks. So it just varies a little bit.

Yeah, I feel like this could be an opportunity for you guys to maybe sit down and have a conversation about what the future looks like. Because in all seriousness, nine months isn't a great great deal of time but for you guys to keep going you need to have some kind of understanding of where this is going like is any are either of you willing to relocate because if not your long distance is it long distance can work temporarily but unless it eventually becomes not long distance unless you guys have some like very unique relationship needs eventually some one of you is gonna have to make a very huge compromise and You can't avoid those conversations You know otherwise you're just fucking around neither of you are taking this that seriously if you're not willing to have these serious

conversations and you're not crazy for Wanting that serious conversation and clarity. And it's not crazy to ask for him for a weekend of time to like, get on the same, like feel like you guys are kind of back before you guys had your fight. I think it's all very valid. And that helps. So just like I said, I just kind of wanted, I'm like to see everything from everyone's perspective. Maybe it probably didn't come out to him that way when I was initially a little upset about it, but I was like, okay, am I, is this crazy? Like, I hate saying that word,

but just for me to insist that you drop your one weekend that you've blocked off. Now, if it were friends that he hadn't seen in a year or family or whatever, that would, I probably wouldn't even question it, but because it's people he sees weekly, if not daily, is where I was kind of like, can you not just break your plans one time? And yeah, I mean, he needs to go out of his way to make this relation, this law, very long distance relationship work. And that's kind of the point, you know, and you need to know he's

willing to do that, despite his trauma from his past relationship you know and he can't yeah he cannot keep using as an excuse. No it is important that he feels heard like if he's saying if he's being honest and saying that there he has his hesitation comes from this previous relationship trauma or whatever you want to call it then yeah sure make sure he feels heard but also like you need to feel heard and I think it sounds like you did explain like I need this and in a relationship you have to listen to each other's needs and really show them that you hear them and then you understand them. And yeah, at first, it may, it may be hard to

like hear it and you feel defensive, but then you come back and have the conversation and say, yeah, I understand. Like, what can we do here? And I agree with everything Nick and Taylor and Natalie said. Yeah. I mean, also like setting a precedent is kind of a weird phrase in a relationship. Yeah. Well, I and I sometimes look, he's great. English is phenomenal. He speaks English and work, but English is his second language. So sometimes I give him a little bit of leeway with that because some of the words I don't think because he even hesitated when he said it. I don't I think he just sometimes they don't come out the best way.

So I try to give that a little bit of a little bit of grace, but I agree. It was a strange way to phrase it. It was a strange way to phrase it, but it's a real thought. I think people in relationships have too. Right. So I think it's a very human feeling that he had to be worried about doing that. You know, so I don't know if it was a language thing. You both, I just think right now, this fight is all about the fact that you guys have yet

to sit down and really talk about what your future looks like with like, and have some tough conversations like you guys had to have about like your future, which might include both of you feeling like, fuck, like one of us is gonna have to make a huge sacrifice in the future, or both of you, but like, it's gonna be required. And right now, it seems like you guys have avoided that because you know it's gonna be really hard and you don't wanna like, fuck up the honeymoon phase and the excitement

of what you're going through. But nine months is plenty of time to enjoy it, but at this point, like, what you don't wanna do is like, have this three years from now. Yeah. You know? Across the board, too. For us, we obviously had to, what three years from now. Yeah, for sure. Across the board too. For us, we obviously had to, what we did was crazy, for sure, we did. Don't recommend it.

But I've seen with a lot of my girlfriends and their husbands or serious boyfriends, cutting into time with the boys or fishing trips or things that you did as a single person spearfishing trips like it it's this is this is very normal like these are these are obstacles that a lot of couples have to you know get into a compromise point and it looks it looks different for every couple and we had to recalibrate that too so it's not it's not a really weird conversation to have. It's kind of just a milestone for sure. No, I agree with that. Like I said, I think it's now, although I don't know if either

of us handled it phenomenally to begin with when we started this argument, it's I'm hoping it's like you said, kind of open the store to be like, Hey, this is what we need moving. And we have talked a little bit about who would be willing to move where if we did get to that point, they've kind of not been super in depth conversations, but those some of those have come up. But yeah, I think it's just gotten to a point where we just need to, you know, make a decision. So stay tuned. And maybe I get broken up with in Italy. No, stop.

Not in Italy. Send us an update. Honestly. Right? I think worst place. Yeah. Natalie's like, wait a minute. Not bad.

You already met one European man on a bar, so. I mean, and honestly, I haven't been to Italy, so when he offered, I was like, ooh. I think he didn't take that. Kind of annoying, but also. He ain't flying you out to break up with you. That is true. That's true, but I mean.

Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. There are worse places to get dumped than Italy. I really just, I just don't think guys would fly you out to break up with you. Nick obviously wouldn't. Yeah. I broke up with him over text.

I mean, it's kind of, the logic is she's gonna hate me anyways. Yeah. Might as well. Well, send us an update. Keep us posted on how this conversation goes and where your relationship ends up. We would love to follow along.

For sure, thanks guys. Thank you, take care. Ashley, best of luck. Bye. I have one more question I think for you, Garrett. Well, you can participate too. Tim and Alex at the reunion. I'm just kidding.

They obviously got into it, it got contentious. And then Vanessa really wanted to end the drama. I was like, man, let him keep going. I'm good with that. I know you were. It went on for like, I don't know how long you guys were, but it was like 90 minutes. Oh really?

Really didn't make sense. Okay. We got like maybe five minutes. Yeah, and it wasn't going anywhere, so they saved you. Gotcha. I liked Tim as a viewer. At the same time, I'm pretty sure that Tim is probably getting a lot of heat

and I imagine after the reunion, he's gonna get even more. And I think partly it is because I think it's audiences, mostly women. And I think we're protective, obviously, and rightfully so, of the ladies on the show. But sometimes I feel like it can go a little too far where it's just like, I think anytime a man shows a little frustration, anger,

it doesn't always read well on camera. But you and Tim seem pretty close. And my read on Tim is that like, well, he may be an imperfect person and like, as we all are, and clearly it seemed like him and Alex just maybe weren't compatible. When I watch reality TV, I'm trying to decide a couple of things.

I just assume everyone's flawed, we all have our mistakes. But are you a good person or are you a bad person? Type of thing. Tim to me seems like a good guy. Like an earnest, high character, has his values, has his conviction to stand by them, even the face of criticism.

And I just want to give you an opportunity to talk about what seems to be one of the guys you actually came close with, because I do feel like he is set up for failure the way it is aired sometimes. Yeah, and I mean, that's frustrating, the problem that this is like a permanent tattoo on your life going forward,

but like your read on Tim's perfect. I mean, he's a great guy. He really has a big heart. He doesn't like it with the empathy and tenderness tag, but he is, I mean, he is a sweet guy, but he is very firm and convicted and he has strong morals and he really values his family a lot.

I think that came across really well. And yeah, I mean, he just, I'm not going to speak to like how his thought process was, but you can see he's trying to defend Alex throughout the show in the beginning. So he's still, he's not, he's not in it for like the show and the flare and he's trying to be angry and upset. But when he feels like he's been crossed or his reasoning or justification is attacked, like he can be a firm speaker and it comes across certain way he was, he has talked about, he's very cognizant of that and he's tried to, to reel that back, but he does get excited.

He's very excitable and gets worked up. So this isn't to take anything away from anyone that in listening to him or talking to him would feel like, Holy cow. Like, cause I've seen him, I've been like, Tim, like you're getting, you're speaking a little grass, like, like loudly, but he doesn't, he doesn't, there's nothing meant by it. So I really, I didn't pick up on that watching it and I hope that other viewers don't, but if they do, like Tim is you sit down and talk to him, like

he will speak on it and he'll, he'll, he'll, you know, you'll, you'll have him. Like he is a good guy, but, and you're right. They were just incompatible and ultimately like same thing for Ramses. You know, if you don't feel like this is your person, you need to cut it off and it's never going to be pretty and you're never going to be the good guy. But you have to do it. And it's you're doing the right thing by doing it as early as possible. Why do you think at the reunion, those two decided kind of like to your point earlier, they had a whole year. Why do you feel like the vitriol came up? I mean, they didn't speak, obviously. So I haven't spoken in a year. So they didn't. Yeah, right. So, I mean, they didn't speak, obviously. So I haven't spoken in a year. So, yeah, yeah.

Right. So, I mean, it's kind of. He was like, I'm never talking to you again. That's just how he is. He's like, we've made, there's nothing here to talk about. I don't need to understand anything more, but Alex sounds like maybe she did. I don't, I don't know. I'm not even sure if maybe she did, but you want to defend your character in some

sense and you both feel like, you know, you got, you, you, everyone's kind of sensitive about their edit, like, I don't really like this'm not even sure if maybe she did, but you want to defend your character in some sense. And you both feel like, you know, you got, everyone's kind of sensitive about their edit. Like, I don't really like this and how this came off. So you want to defend that a little bit. I don't think they came, either one of them came there to attack the other person. You kind of want to defend your character. And, you know, sometimes you got to take up ground to do that.

So I think that's all that was. We had a chance to talk with Ashley. She addressed in great detail, all the backstory of Tyler and Ashley's whatever baby drama that they're going through but you know fans will fan and and be the skeptics that they are and there was a moment at the reunion when you were like we got your back so just as two people who have gotten to know those two and had at least a little bit of a front-row seat to that whole experience what is your guys's perception of that who have gotten to know those two and had at least a little bit of a front row seat

to that whole experience. What is your guys' perception of that situation? And more importantly, Ashley and Tyler's relationship. I mean, through the experiment, we're really good friends. There's only one other couple in the world that knows exactly what you went through because every season is obviously different. And I think they're both really incredible, great people. And so I know that a marriage in the way that we did that we did it is not it's not easy.

It's really quick and hard and fast. And in terms of like all the other details of what's going on, I actually haven't, I haven't watched any of the like baby mama videos, the ex-wife videos. I haven't read anything of only her, people have only like come up to me because I'm friends with Ashley in real life. And like, she can tell me how she feels about it. And quite honestly, I do think that Tyler only owes

an explanation to Ashley and his family. I don't think anyone else needs to know. So for me, I don't actually know all the details. I haven't talked to Ashley directly about it yet. So it's still- Yeah, I guess it's less about the detail. And that's why I wanna ask, cause you are friends. It's more, I think the real skeptics out there,

and not that it matters, but it's more like, I think people wanna tell Ashley she's being foolish for believing Tyler type of energy. And like you said, what goes on between them matters, but at the end of the day, I think we wanna believe that Ashley is making the right and healthy decision. And talking to her very much felt like she was, but just from that perspective, can you speak on just like your confidence in Ashley

to ask the questions she needed to ask and get the answers she needed to ask? Because like we've all been fooled by the people we trust and people we love. And I think the people out there who might have a hard time buying into the relationship might be people who are projecting they've been wronged by someone they love and trust.

And it's just more speaking on that. Yeah, I know that Ashley is a very intelligent, very thorough person. And she's had her like shovel out digging from day one. Like I have 100% confidence in that. Yeah, I mean, you're about to tie your life to this other person. No one's gonna pull like close their eyes and be like, I just want to do this. Like, I yeah, I don't know Ashley as well as you. But I, you know, you spend you spent the time with her like, she's very or you guys both that she's very like, I just want to do this. Like I, yeah, I don't know Ashley as well as you, but I, you know, you, you spend, you spent the time with her.

Like she's very, or you guys bought that she's very like, she's going to find the answers and Tyler is a very good guy and you spend time with him and you get the feel, you feel very like bought into him. He's very genuine and trustworthy. It feels like so to see what happened on camera and stuff, you know, I understand where the views are coming from, especially with like the stuff that's coming out and they want it and they want, they want, maybe it's coming from a good place, maybe it's not, but the point is, Ashley is gonna choose

to spend the rest of her life with them. Like, she's gonna get the answers and she's gonna dig. And if there's anybody I trust to do it, for sure, Ashley. Now, what seemed really sad about the whole thing is that it actually seemed like a really selfless and sweet thing that he did that ultimately is now backfiring because he went on this TV show and made this crazy choice. And I understand that it can be very weird for someone

you know or had a subtype of relationship with to go on TV and watch them. And so I give those people grace, but at the same time, it really feels like in Tyler's situation, this person is almost responding to her story being told in a way, like she is attaching herself to Tyler in a way that maybe she shouldn't. And even though it seems like a very vindictive thing for this person to do, like I guess I maybe understand where it's coming from, but it's just sad because it's saying like-

There's his involve. He's being criticized for what ultimately was a beautiful thing and selfless thing that he did for this person. And it's such a shame that it's backfiring on him now. Yeah, it is frustrating. And I mean, we've even our story like, and I didn't like how certain things came across

or whatever, maybe I wish they would have showed more of this or that. Like even then I feel like, and it's kind of tainted a little bit, but it's really not. I mean, ultimately we have a great story, but I couldn't imagine like times a billion with Tyler and Ashley are going through.

Like I just feel for them every single day. Well, the good news is, is no one really will remember all that bullshit. Yeah, hopefully. And when I always tell people, usually when it's off the bachelor, when they're asking for my advice is like, listen, now it's like, and I'll say it to you guys,

your story really hasn't been told. Up until this point, Netflix has told your guys a story. Now you guys have a platform, you have social media, you control your narrative. So for anyone who's doubting you guys or believing in you guys, we'll find out, so to speak. You will show us one way or the other what the truth is. And now you guys have a chance to tell your own story, just like Tyler and Ashley have a chance to tell their story. And at the end of the day, like, people won't remember. and now you guys have a chance to tell your own story, just like Tyler and Ashley have a chance to tell their story. And at the end of the day, people won't remember.

If you've ever watched The Bachelor and you remember Ari as The Bachelor and how that season ended for him and how much, I've never seen someone hated so much online. And now the truth is, he made the right decision and he's in a happy marriage with the person he picked and they have kids now and the person he broke up and rejected became the Bachelorette

and that didn't work out and now she is happily with someone, with the kid from the show and that's all that people care about right now. They don't even remember the vitriol, all those nasty things. So it's best to just let it go. Yeah, this too shall pass. Yeah. Well, we really appreciate you guys taking the time. This is so much fun getting to know you guys.

Ultimately, what's next for you guys? And then we'll end it on that. Well, I'm gonna follow him back on Instagram and probably like some time off, like a vacation. It's been kind of a whirlwind. Oh my gosh, yeah. But like life-wise, we're planning to move to DC, ironically. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we're very excited about going in. Just, I mean, I've been so close to DC my whole life and I really haven't spent that much time there, but so I'm like, okay, cool. I could actually like spend time in it and be there. And I mean, I'm still close to friends and family. So it's all, yeah, we're both very excited about actually starting our own chapter,

our own lives in DC and seeing where that takes us. Anymore modeling and fashion week? For Taylor? Yeah, no, that would be nice. I'd definitely be into it. I love fashion and I think it's very interesting and it's something Taylor and I connect on. So hopefully we can do more of that.

He's way more of a fashionista than I am. If we could sit here and talk about textiles and fashion for an hour. Please lean into your OOTDs, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you should. You get ready with me. I don't know, my spear fisherman following

is gonna probably deplete a little bit. Well, throw in a fish. We'll throw in a fish. A fish. I'm gonna go ahead and guess the majority of your audience is women. It is now. Yeah.

Oh yeah, definitely women. I think you should give the people what they want. You know, as it relates to what you're passionate about. No, yeah. You just have to find what are the things that my audience loves and that I love. What are the intersection there, yeah. Vend diagrams, Taylor. are the things that my audience loves and that I love. What are the intersection area? Vendiat grams, Taylor.

Yeah, those are my vows and to make it. There you go. Well, speaking of which, how can people follow you? What's your guys' Instagram? Mine is Chinese Disco Baby is my Instagram. Naturally. Mine's way less catchy, it's just Garrett.yosemens. Boring.

I'm gonna be white fish guy. I think. Caucasian fish daddy. You should think about changing yours. I only say this just because now that you're a public figure and you're a little bit famous, you wanna be easy to find. I know, I have to grieve.

So Caucasian fish daddy isn't gonna work. You can do whatever you want. Lean into your influencing. Sell teeth whiteners on Amazon Proxide Free. Listen, you were given a lottery ticket and now it's up to you what you wanna do with that lottery ticket. And that's the funny thing, some people come at you,

if you do try to do it, you know, you feel a little hesitant, you're like, do I do it? Cause people are like, oh, you're rolling here for this. It's like, come on, you'll be doing the same thing. Take advantage of the- You make the money, you do it. Yes, yes, you you'd be doing the same thing. Take advantage of the- You take advantage, you make the money, you do it. Yes, yes, you do it. Kids' college fun.

Do it, do it, do it your way, but do it. That's the hard part is trying to maintain your own identity while leaning into this. What's your OOTD? Outfit of the day? Get ready with me. I remember me turning down a handful of things because I thought I was too good for it or like no one like that.

Go do that underwear and deal Nick. Well I just like no one would have it would have come and gone. I just like passed on some real amazing opportunities because I was trying to impress people I didn't know you know so. Yeah I've Chinese disco baby just because it's hilarious to me but I can see how I should probably change it for hilarious to me. But I can see how I should probably change it for searchability purposes. I just like, I wouldn't, like if I was like,

oh, I want to go follow Taylor, I just don't know if I would type in Chinese Disco Baby. But can't you just like do my full name and then it comes up? Yeah, you type in Taylor Crouse. Yeah, eventually, yeah. Nick, let her be herself, man. Yeah, he's a little bit of a hater.

Well, love is not blind, nor is your screen name. Yeah, nor is your crew cut, so don't ever go fucking back. Yeah, wow, dude. You wouldn't have swiped right on me, man? No. I would now, absolutely. Should we leave, Taylor?

We gotta get this going on here. Thank you guys for coming and thank you guys for listening. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknick at TheValFiles.com for all things Ask Nick and texting office hours, and we will see you back tomorrow. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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