The Viall Files - E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain

Starting point is 00:00:00 What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vyfiles Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. I got the household here and John Krasinski is the sexiest man alive. Yes. Daddy of 2024. Right behind you, honey, he is. I don't see it.

Starting point is 00:00:31 It seemed, yeah, I, you know. John. Yeah. I see it. Obviously. I feel like this is a good time to tell people that we actually saw Steve Carell at Gelson's. Oh.

Starting point is 00:00:42 A couple of weeks ago. More like a month ago. That was a long time ago. Love him. This is the office guy, right? Yes, the office guy. Oh, Justin. Nellie saw him and then we kind of kept walking past him

Starting point is 00:00:54 like fans, but we didn't say hi. It was just like he was grocery shopping. It was so normal. He looked like he was having such a nice relaxing time, just like shopping and no one saying anything to him. And it was like, why ruin that, you know? Yeah, we did. That's what she said.

Starting point is 00:01:09 Yeah. Yeah. Nicely done. Yeah. Anyways, thoughts on John Krasinski we love. I support it. Absolutely. I saw Quiet Place and I was quiet.

Starting point is 00:01:18 Well, I saw The Office and everyone I feel like was in love with him from then. He was in The Office. Yeah. Yes, he was. Yes, yes. But The Office was a long time ago. I just feel like- That was the connection. It's just like I didn't see it love with him from then. He was in the office. Yeah. Yes, he was. Yes, yes. But the office was a long time ago. I just feel like,

Starting point is 00:01:27 That was the connection there. I just didn't see it coming, so to speak. Where's he been? He's been kind of quiet. Exactly. I don't trust it. Well, don't you trust? He hasn't been quiet though.

Starting point is 00:01:35 I think you guys just- It is an arbitrary award. Well, it's like, if we're talking about sexiest man alive, it's every year. And typically, shouldn't it be like, who is the hot guy of the year? It feels like it, yeah. No. Why not?

Starting point is 00:01:48 No. Like I feel like it should have been Glenn Powell. I agree. What? No. Glenn Powell, P.F. Patel. Everything. Pedro Pascal. Like, yes. Pedro Pascal. Pedro would have had his, whenever,

Starting point is 00:01:59 what was that show that came out that everyone was obsessed with? The Last of Us. The Last of Us. Well, Gladiators coming out. Well, sure, but like to that point, what has John been up to? Exactly. Jack Reacher.

Starting point is 00:02:08 Quiet Place One just came out. The Quiet Place Three just came out. But yeah. But he's dead. He died in the Quiet Place One. He's directed. Yeah, Lupita Nyong'o was in that. Make her a sexiest man alive.

Starting point is 00:02:17 I don't think you need to hate on this. I think this is something that we celebrate. Okay. And we love it because he's a daddy? Well I think he is a daddy. He is a daddy. He's funny. He is a daddy. He's funny.

Starting point is 00:02:27 He's married to Emily Blunt, which like, cooler. He has kids, so he's... I gotta crush on John Krasinski. Who doesn't? I did hear that when he was filming Jack Ryan. Oh, I keep calling it Jack Reacher. Different. Yeah, Jack Ryan, my bad.

Starting point is 00:02:43 Similar. Too many Jacks. What are we reaching? Our brain cells are big. I don't know who was flying to who, but he was flying back every week to be with his family. A good man. I love to hear it.

Starting point is 00:02:55 And that's sexy. I have no issue with John Krasinski as a person. I just don't understand why in the year of Our Lord 2024, he is the sexiest man alive. Maybe in 2009? You know what I mean? Who do you want it to be, John Kombucha? why in the year of our Lord 2024, he is the sexiest man alive. Like maybe in like 2009. You know what I mean? Who do you want it to be, Jo Kim Booster? Well, why was Patrick Dempsey in 2023?

Starting point is 00:03:10 Yes, I do. Jo Kim Booster, you're my sexiest man alive. Wait, no, but Leia makes a good point. I kind of feel this way about the sexiest man every time where I'm just kind of like, wait, why? Because who was it last year? Patrick Dempsey. And it's like-

Starting point is 00:03:22 Patrick Dempsey. Well, I mean, let's be honest. Like, clearly- But when you're talking Grey's Anatomy, like when he was like the thing, the guy, and like he wasn't the guy of last year. When he was mid-dreamy. I do not think that is the route that they take.

Starting point is 00:03:36 Not at all. At all. I think that's maybe what other people are wanting them to take, but I think they maybe purposefully are like, why would we choose the most popular person just because they're popular right now? Let's choose who we actually think

Starting point is 00:03:48 is the sexiest man alive this year. Who's consistently sexy year after year. Yes, and they chose Blake Shelton once, and I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that either. Chris Evans was 20, 20. What are John's top five sexy things about him? Brown hair, tall, man.

Starting point is 00:04:03 He's clearly having sex. He has kids. Emily Blunt, his wife. Oh, I have one. When he started the Very Good News thing. And then sold it? He started that show, Very Good, Just Good News. Yeah, during the pandemic. It was like an internet show that he did.

Starting point is 00:04:20 And then, yeah, he like sold it and then nothing ever happened. Nick wanted Benny Blanco to be the sexiest man of 2024. I did. No. Really? Yesterday. You broke the news, you were like, it's Benny Blanco.

Starting point is 00:04:30 I thought it was Benny Blanco. Yeah. He was just one of. I do want one year to People Magazine to be like, it's Eric Smith from Kansas City, Missouri. Oh, like real people? Just like random. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:43 Yeah. You know, and a whole article on. Truly the people. Because there's sexy people. There's sexy people that like random. Yeah. Yeah, you don't know whole people There's sexy people that go under the radar. Yeah, yeah for sure. Mm-hmm. It's only actors No, it's I mean or it's only celebrities one people like Shelton is now actor Anyways Betty Blanco what basically Betty Blanco shared his rules for being a sexy gentleman, or in other words, silverie is not dead. So I'm gonna go through the list of rules

Starting point is 00:05:11 and you tell me if you think it applies. One, learn how to cook. Period. Two, first dates should be experiences. Mm-hmm. Three, dress with confidence. That's because you're not. First dates should be good to know ya.

Starting point is 00:05:25 That's a good experience or a bad experience. So three was dress with confidence. Four, self-care is a must. Five, welcome everyone into your home in parentheses with reason. Six, treat your mother like a queen. Agreed. Seven, gift giving is an art. And then he said to me the best way to do it is get creative, to listen to something they said in the past I think that's a good one. I think that's a good one. I think that's a good one. I think that's a good one. I think that's a good one.

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Starting point is 00:06:07 not listening is to be like, God, that would be so cool to get. Yeah. No, Natalie did that a couple of weeks ago and then she bought it for herself. Yeah, I did. What was it? Gift giving is an art and sometimes the best gift you can get.

Starting point is 00:06:18 She's like, this would make a great gift for Christmas. And I was like, great, I heard that, I clocked it. And then she's like, I bought it. Well, because I was texting the owner of the store and she was like, oh, I could put like you and Nick's birthstones on the inside. And I was like, oh, that would be perfect. And she was like, I'm actually living for Australia.

Starting point is 00:06:35 So like, I would need to get it in so that you could get it next week. And I was like, I'll buy it. You just got sold. Yeah, I did. Wait, this is the new thing. She created urgency. She created urgency and it worked and I bought it.

Starting point is 00:06:45 And she was listening. Yes, but you know, I'm sure there will be something else that comes up. Yeah, no for sure. Wait, this is an interesting discussion though. So Christmas is coming up and do you operate on like, if you want a Christmas present, you have to wait, you can buy it now, but you have to wait till Christmas

Starting point is 00:06:59 or you can get it now, you know what I mean? No, no, no, yeah, we're waiting. Like I've already bought River a couple of things and like, I haven't given them to her yet. Cause it's like that we'll just, you can wait till Christmas. you know what I mean? No, no, no, yeah, we're waiting. Like I've already bought River a couple of things and like I haven't given them to her yet. Cause it's like that we'll just, you can wait till Christmas. But this one didn't wait. No, she wanted it now.

Starting point is 00:07:10 I did, I wanted it now. Okay. And I haven't taken it off since. So it stopped being a Christmas gift. Got it, okay. Nali will be like, should we open Christmas gifts today? How about tomorrow?

Starting point is 00:07:20 I do think it's fun on Christmas Eve. Like come December 15th, she will start asking if we should open Christmas gifts That's that's a check of days of Christmas. That's a check-in of like has Nick got anything yet? You know, and if he's like, yeah, we should then it's like, okay He's been shopping or if it's like no no, no, no, no, no, absolutely not and it's like well He has not put any thought into that yet. Yes, it's still rapid Do you guys buy Christmas gifts early or do you kind of do it right before?

Starting point is 00:07:45 Because Black Friday's coming up. So that's when most people do it, right? No, that's when some people do it. I definitely don't. I think Cyber Monday is bigger than Black Friday. Black Friday doesn't exist anymore. I was gonna say, they've already been doing Black Friday. Yeah, Black Friday starts like,

Starting point is 00:07:59 it's the way that Christmas starts before Halloween now. Black Friday starts like so early. Post Halloween. Yeah. Like the week after. It started already. Yeah. Last year I went Christmas shopping with JoJo Siwa.

Starting point is 00:08:11 Oh my God, you did. Wow. Yeah, he did. And honestly, you should do that again this year. What did she buy? She just went with me. Oh, okay. She advised you.

Starting point is 00:08:20 I had my bachelor party, like December of last year, and I won some money. So I came back with a lot of cash So Nick hit Rodeo Drive I hit Rodeo Drive with a drug dealer Just like with Jojo. Yeah, it was fun. He said like a drug dealer Yeah, who else carries around wads of cash? Dorit Kemsley? Dorit? Dorit? Yeah, that's when she got robbed Megan Fox is pregnant again

Starting point is 00:08:44 That's so exciting. Did you see her, I guess it's maternity photos, right? Yes. Where she's like drenched in black. Yes. Did you like it or was it like- You mean oil? It wasn't, it wasn't-

Starting point is 00:08:53 Well yeah. Fish or liquid of some sort. It looked like oil. Not good for the skin, honestly. It probably wasn't. It was probably paint with like body oil in it. And it just like made it shiny. Y'all remember when she ate that chicken

Starting point is 00:09:04 in Jennifer's body? Yeah. That movie is so good. It's incredible. Not for a first date though. I did that once and I was like, wait, I didn't realize this movie was sexual. Okay, well we're dating different kinds of people.

Starting point is 00:09:15 Yeah, well okay. I believe you are. Yes, I would also believe that you are. Yeah, no, Jennifer's body's incredible. Yeah. Megan Fox can do no wrong. I mean, it was in the little yes pregnancy. Honestly, it made me wanna get pregnant.

Starting point is 00:09:29 Anytime I see a pregnancy test that says yes, I'm like, do I need to see that again? Do I need to feel that rush? Okay, so it was the test, not the maternity photos. Correct, yeah, it was a test. Because I love the photos. That rush of looking at that pregnancy test and it saying yes, you were like,

Starting point is 00:09:43 huh, huh, huh, huh, like, and there's nothing like it. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Relatable layer or no? I actually found out through a blood test, like a- Accidentally? Boring. Like you went and got like a cavity check and like you're pregnant? Well, I was like trying to take a medication

Starting point is 00:09:58 and they needed to make sure I wasn't pregnant before I could take it. And yeah, found out at a gas station, my doctor called and I was like, huh? Huh? Question for you. Yeah. Well, or your husband, I'm curious.

Starting point is 00:10:13 Because like, you know, when I found out, you know, I was like, oh, exciting, scary, whatever. And then there's like this weird, oh, well nothing's really changed kind of thing at first because you're like, I guess we're pregnant. And then, you know then eventually you hear a heartbeat and things like that. But now that River is here,

Starting point is 00:10:28 in my mind I feel like River's been in my life since I opened that drawer. Since I've heard her first heartbeat. Do you feel the same way? Wait, explain. When I think about opening that drawer where Natalie put the pregnancy test in there and surprising me all the time. And I think about moments of drawer, when Natalie put the pregnancy test in there and surprising me, like all the time.

Starting point is 00:10:45 And I think about moments of her pregnancy all the time. And I feel like River was a part of our family since I opened that drawer. Now that I've met River, my brain goes back in a way. And it's not like when River was born, she was with us. It was more when I, she was like, in my mind she was born in a drawer. Yeah, like you open that drawer and you see River. Yes. Like every time I open that drawer, she was with us. It was more when I, she was like, instead of seeing, in my mind she was born in a drawer. Yeah, like you open that drawer and you see River.

Starting point is 00:11:07 Yes, like every time I open that drawer, I think of River. Definitely, like I look at old, now I look at old ultrasound photos and I'm just like, I'm like trying to see the resemblance and like definitely brings me back to like the whole pregnancy and how it was like, he was with us that whole year, basically. Yeah, it's kind of wild, right?

Starting point is 00:11:25 Yeah, except I did take a pregnancy test after, just because I wanted that experience of like peeing on the stick. And I took a digital one and it faded. Yes, mine have faded too, but the ones with the actual lines on it are still two lines. Wait, what do you mean it faded?

Starting point is 00:11:41 Like the digital ones, like eventually, like they're not gonna last. They're gonna be digital forever. You would think the opposite. You gotta go analog. You can't just charge that back up. Yeah, you do you mean it faded? Like the digital ones, like eventually, like they're not gonna last forever. You would think the opposite. You gotta go analog. You can't just charge that back up? Yeah, you gotta go analog, you guys. You know, honestly, they should put a little charging,

Starting point is 00:11:53 a USB port at the end of those pregnancy tests. Just like a disposable tape. Charge that puppy up. Exactly, like a vape. That's a brilliant invention. Do they have like wireless pregnancy tests? That's another. Well, none of them are wired.

Starting point is 00:12:04 Well, but like wireless, well true. What do you mean? I was meaning connecting to the phone. So Bluetooth, I guess, not wireless, but. No, they're not Bluetooth. I'm sure that is our future, but no, they are not Bluetooth. They are digital. Right, right.

Starting point is 00:12:16 Yes, they say pregnant, not pregnant, or yes and no. I've seen them. Yes, period. Well, Sky Jackson is pregnant. Sky Jackson is pregnant. Hey, Jessie. Who is Sky? Can we see who is Sky? Do you know who Sky Jackson is pregnant. I'm excited for this. Hey, Jessie. Who is Skai? Can we see who is Skai?

Starting point is 00:12:27 Do you know Skai Jackson? She's a Disney Channel star. From Jessie. Is that all she was in? Well, she was in Bunk'd and other shows. We are different generations of Disney Channel. The theme song of Band-Aid that we all know, the I am stuck on Band-Aid brand, but Band-Aid stuck on me.

Starting point is 00:12:40 She's the one that originally sung it that everybody knows. Like, multiple kids have sang that, but she's the voice of that original But congratulations to her pregnancy is in the air. Yeah, Sierra said that this girl was nobody Whoa, well, she's somebody to her child. I don't know who she is. Why are you coming for me? I don't know who she is is the same thing as she's a nobody and also she's boring Do you know how many people are actors that I don't know? I'm joking. I'm joking. Hearing Sky Jackson is pregnant has the same energy

Starting point is 00:13:07 as finding out someone who's a freshman when you were a senior in high school is pregnant. You know what I mean? It's just weird. That is a wild concept. That shouldn't happen. It is crazy, because I remember whenever I found out I was pregnant

Starting point is 00:13:21 and I called my sister and she was kind of like, okay, do you wanna, let's talk about this? she was kind of like, okay, like, do you wanna like, let's talk about this? Like, and then she's like, wait, sorry, I forget. You're like in a committed relationship. Like you're like good, sorry, I like forget. And then my friend Allison was saying how she kind of felt the same way of like, oh my God, you know, like, fuck, like, is this,

Starting point is 00:13:41 am I in the right time of my life? Like, is this right? And then she's like, wait, I'm literally married. Like, she married like she's like a party still feels like you're in like a teen mom Yeah, I know like when you find out your friend you're like fuck. Yeah every time I'm like getting to be I mean, I'm I'm 23. Yeah, I'm 23 and My honestly yesterday I was like you're 44. Okay after I turned 21 I started I started forgetting, but every time I see somebody like, like people I know

Starting point is 00:14:08 from like back home and stuff, sometimes they get pregnant. And I immediately have like a panic in my soul. And then they're like married. And I'm like, oh my God, did you see that Emily is pregnant? And then it's like, oh yeah, wait, they're actually like 25 with married, this is their second kid. Yeah Yeah, and I'm like, I'm just trying to like pay my rent and Cook myself little frozen trader Joe's meals for dinner. It's just crazy. How's the LA effect? That's what it is

Starting point is 00:14:34 Yeah, but even my sit like both my sisters are like in like my sister had a baby But she didn't have a baby until she was like 30. It is crazy that we, I am considered like, apparently a teen mom in LA. I mean we were in line at Great White and it was me and my mom in River and the guy in front, River was just like pulling on people's sleeves. So he like turned. Yeah, you would do that for her? No I wouldn't, I wouldn't. I wouldn't, I was just joking.

Starting point is 00:15:01 No, I would be like hi. You would give him a look being like, bitch. And then you would realize it's a baby and be like, oh. I would't. I was just joking. No, I would be like, hi. And then that's all. You would give him a look, being like, bitch. And then you would realize it's a baby and be like, oh. I would say hi and then that's all. Your gut reaction would be like, ew, filthy. I was the nice person I treated those when a baby came. We're all laughing because we know it's Chad. No, it is not true.

Starting point is 00:15:17 And this man was like, oh, she's so cute. What's her name? How old is she? Whatever. And then he's like, do you mind if I ask how old are you? And I was like, I'm 26. That's an interesting question. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:29 And he was like, so young, you know? And I'm like, was he older? He seemed maybe like grandpa age. No, God, no. He was like, yeah, like maybe late twenties, early thirties. So that's a little weird. No, but like at the park, now he's definitely the youngest mom for sure.

Starting point is 00:15:44 Yeah. But which is so crazy the park, Natalie's definitely the youngest mom for sure. But which is so crazy, because obviously that's like, I feel like that's the culture here in LA. I mean, in the South and I feel like the Midwest, they're still- LA is not a real place. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:15:55 It's true. It's not a measuring stick of society. No, yeah. Joan Didion understood that. What? Joan Didion? Who's Joan Didion? The writer. Feminist. The famous writer, Joan Didion understood that. What? Joan Didion. Who's Joan Didion? The writer.

Starting point is 00:16:05 Feminist. The famous writer, Joan Didion. I don't know every famous person. She's a very, very famous writer who wrote about LA all the time. And because she's from here. That's because everybody in LA is hustling usually. So it's like you have kids later on in life

Starting point is 00:16:19 that you were able to do earlier. That was like my most asked question whenever I was pregnant was like, how does it feel to be pregnant so young? Or like, what's, to be such a young mom? And I'm like, how does it feel to be pregnant so young or like? What's to be such a young mom? Everyone in my hometown is on their circuit, you know that Yeah, you know that scene in Broad City where?

Starting point is 00:16:37 Alana Alana Glazer and her boyfriend Hannibal Burress are like talking about maybe getting married and And she's like, I'm 26 Lincoln, what am I, a child bride? That's what they called me, a child bride. And that's how I feel. They still do. But it makes sense for other people, but when I think about me, I'm like, oh my God. What about Lala's event? Were you like the youngest? Yes, I did. I went to Lala's event and she did respond to my DM.

Starting point is 00:17:03 There you go. Also, she responded to my DM. There you go. Also. Oh, she did. She responded to my DM before the event. She responded to my DM maybe like last week and she was like, yes, like I need more mom friends. And I was like, oh my God, period. And she gave me her number. We started texting and then I went to this event.

Starting point is 00:17:18 And yes, I was youngest. I did not know a single soul there, I guess. And then she DMed me to come on her podcast. Oh. And then my mom, I brought- We are in discussions. I brought my mom to that event with me and then LaLa's mom, who's also named Lisa, and my mom were like, Gippin and Gabin,

Starting point is 00:17:35 and then Ocean is like obsessed with River. And she just kept being like, River, like LaLa was holding River and Ocean went up and was like, Mom, Mom, no, no, no. And I was like, Ocean, guess what her name is. She was like, what? And I said, River. And she was like, like, River like Lala was holding River and Ocean went up and was like, mom, mom, no, no, no. And I was like, Ocean, guess what her name is. She was like, what? And I said, River.

Starting point is 00:17:49 And she was like, oh my gosh, what are babies? Yeah, and so they were like hooked ever since. It was so cute. They're best friends. Cute. Yeah, also the amount of people who've DM'd me and been like, what is this erotic thrill you're reading? Like y'all are horny freaks and I love it.

Starting point is 00:18:03 So what is it? I'm scared. Gatekeep. I'm kind of gatekeeping, let me look. Actually, I forget. Yeah, you are. I'm reading like three different books. It's called horny, horny, fun time.

Starting point is 00:18:12 They are gonna judge me. No, it's called End of the Innocence. Oh. So, spicy. Do you think Timmy Chalamet is reading it? Timothy Chalamet? You know, if I had to guess, I would probably say no. But also, maybe.

Starting point is 00:18:28 Well, he is upset. Well, not upset. Well, kind of upset. He's speaking about how when he first started acting, his agents were basically like, you're too skinny. You have to put on weight if you want to be in Maze Runner or Divergent. So he's just shedding light on his experience.

Starting point is 00:18:41 Which to me, Timothy brought back the skinny boy. Yeah. When Call Me By Your Name blew up, that's when skinny boys were like skinny boy. Like when Call Me By Your Name blew up, that's when skinny boys were like- When was that? Call Me By Your Name, when was that? Three, four years ago, maybe more? I think it was more.

Starting point is 00:18:51 It was a little more, but it blew up not exactly when it came out, it blew up a little bit after. Yeah, 2017. Yeah. I just feel like, you know, if you wanna be in acting, sometimes you have to change your body. Yeah, I mean, Sydney Sweeney is like,

Starting point is 00:19:04 have you seen the photos of her transitioning into, what's her name, the bodybuilder? The boxer. Yeah. Is it a boxer? I was gonna say wrestler, so I probably don't know. Wrestler, something like that. These headlines are always just like, you know.

Starting point is 00:19:16 Christy Martin. Suggesting that like, whoever told Timothy Chalamet in this was like some sort of like body shamer, or you know, said something inappropriate. It's just like, you're an actor. Sometimes you have to get into character or play a role and that's part of the gig. It's a aesthetic superficial business.

Starting point is 00:19:33 Yeah, but you compared it to like Maze Runner and Divergent and like there's skinny boys on that cast. Don't know Brian is not exactly like Sylvester Stallone. Yeah, so it's like they were like- But he did get ripped for that one movie. Was it Assassin that he played or something like that? He played an Assassin, I don't know. Like recently, right?

Starting point is 00:19:48 Oh, it was a few years old. It had Beetlejuice in it. Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton. Well, Maze Runner was like even older than Call Me By Your Name, so like 10 years ago. Whatever, and I'm sure they have skinny boys in all these movies. I'm just saying if you wanna play the lead character

Starting point is 00:20:00 of a action whatever movie, you have to, you might have to either you know get into character or convince them that you can still be a believable character fun fact they didn't think Bruce Willis was good for diehard when they cast him for diehard because prior to that he was just like in a like a sitcom called moonlighting it would be like casting like Joey from friends an action film you know so some people make the transition, but like, you know. You like Die Hard, huh?

Starting point is 00:20:27 It's a great movie. Is it a Christmas movie? It's not a Christmas movie. Of course it's a Christmas movie. No, it is not. It happens on Christmas. It's not a Christmas movie. There's one Christmas stream, the whole movie.

Starting point is 00:20:34 It's a Christmas, no, the whole movie is set on Christmas. Look, they're busy. You know? It's about holiday joy. There's no holiday joy. There's no holly cheer. They come together on Christmas. There's not a Santa Claus. There's not holiday joy. There's no holly cheer. They come together on Christmas. There's not a Santa Claus.

Starting point is 00:20:47 There's not, there's nothing. There's no snow. One of the employees at the Christmas party is dressed as Santa. You say yourself that LA does not, is not Christmas. That's why you're like not allowing us to spend Christmas here this year and making us go to the lake house.

Starting point is 00:21:01 I am kidnapping my family. I do kind of agree with that. I'm not gonna lie. It's not Christmas here. I flee LA too, because I'm like LA doesn't change seasons. No, there's nothing Christmas about LA. So what is, and Die Hard is based in LA,

Starting point is 00:21:11 so what is Christmas about it? Is it based in LA? Yes. I thought it was in like New York. No, no he's, he. What skyscraper is this man in? The one right there off the 405. Oh really?

Starting point is 00:21:22 Yes. Is that, really? Yeah. I didn really? Yeah. I think like a Christmas movie is way more like by association to your family and like the way you grew up watching movies. Cause like to me, like Eyes Wide Shut is a New Year's movie.

Starting point is 00:21:34 Oh my God, Mary. Mary. What? Eyes Wide Shut? Yeah. That is weird. No, Eyes Wide Shut, I watch it on New Year's all the time. Never seen it.

Starting point is 00:21:42 It's an interesting movie. I need Christmas with the Cranks, or like Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. The Santa Claus 2. Serendipity. Serendipity. These are Christmas movies. Home Alone.

Starting point is 00:21:53 More than one Christmas tree in the movie. Serendipity's not really a Christmas. Home Alone 2. If it happens in New York during Christmas time, that is more Christmas than a Christmas shopping. I love. Literally they met while Christmas shopping on Christmas Eve. Okay, well the Die Hard is more of a Christmas day than Christmas. They met while Christmas shopping. I love. Literally they met while Christmas shopping on Christmas Eve.

Starting point is 00:22:05 Okay, well the Die Hard is set on a Christmas party. Like you're contradicting yourself. I'm not because it's snowing all over New York City. I just saw it for the first time a year ago, so. And? That's not a Christmas movie. Well you know who else is pissed? Not about Christmas, but Chappell Rhone.

Starting point is 00:22:21 She's mad again. Good for her. Yes. Well. Well. Yeah, she's mad.. Good for her. Yes. Well, well. Yeah, she's mad. So like kind of a month ago, a little bit less than a month ago, she fired her whole team, her management team,

Starting point is 00:22:31 like replaced them. Billboard announced this past Saturday that- Why did she fire them right after she got famous? Well, we don't know. The narrative around it for people that are supporting Chappellrone is that she has been like doing a lot and has been very overworked.

Starting point is 00:22:46 And so she's loving the bigger management that maybe help with her schedule. Well, and Billboard phrased it specifically as recently parted ways with her management team. So it's not fired, it's parted ways. That's fired. But basically, Billboard then posted this story when like the Grammy announcements came out

Starting point is 00:23:04 around the same time. And Chapel commented, y'all suck for this. when the Grammy announcements came out around the same time and Chappell commented, y'all suck for this. Basically being like she wanted to be the one to announce the news or not announce the news. That she parted ways with her management. Or keep it silent or whatever, yeah. I think it's more of the latter. Okay, Chappell, honey babe,

Starting point is 00:23:18 this is part of being famous. Stuff gets out before you wanna share it. I mean, hello James Vanderbeek, just talk about how his diagnosis got out. I mean, come on. Like this is part of this world you're in, babe. You can't like. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:32 But shouldn't she be allowed to speak up on it? And like be like that isn't okay? Yeah, no one's silencing her, but she can't be like, y'all can't do this. Like this. I mean, she didn't. She said y'all suck for this. It's just like she's only making headlines right now

Starting point is 00:23:44 for yelling at people or. She's just like she's only making headlines right now for yelling at people or. She's a pop diva. No, I get it, you know, but like. Lady Gaga did this when she was on the Up and Coming. Yeah, like. Her whole thing was being like rude to the pop, well not rude, but like not answering to their demands.

Starting point is 00:23:59 Listen, Chappell Rhone, her core fan base, they're gonna ride or die for her, they'll always be there for her. But like, whether, I don't even, maybe she doesn't even wanna go mainstream. I don't know, but if you do SNL, it implies you wanna go mainstream. She slayed SNL.

Starting point is 00:24:11 And she crushed it, but if you wanna go mainstream, you have to be mainstream. You can't, you know. I don't think that's true. I think from being a fan of Chappell, what I've gained from her, and obviously like, this is just my opinion on it, but she is being herself, and that's it.

Starting point is 00:24:27 Like, she's not going to let anyone, any sort of industry define the way she should answer questions, or what she should have to do for other people. I think she just, like, is forcing everybody to acknowledge that she is an autonomous person, and is going to exist. is forcing everybody to acknowledge that she is an autonomous person and is going to exist.

Starting point is 00:24:47 Yeah, but again, but like most people have now have heard of Chappell Rhone for the first time, just hear her complaining about things, which is fine. But like, again, her core audience, they understand her plight and like what she's all about and yada, yada, yada, but like. There definitely is some drama there though, because once like the Grammys nominations came out,

Starting point is 00:25:04 like Chappell went across all the big categories and like her original record label did not like post, like celebrating like, oh my God, congrats to Chappell. So didn't she just fire him? So that's the thing. So there's, there's definitely some like turmoil probably going around. Wouldn't she be pissed if they posted and she was like, I'm not even fucking with y'all. Why are y'all trying to get shit off of my Grammy nomination? But also like that's a big record for them.

Starting point is 00:25:24 I'd be posting about it. There's also an element of like, I guess she wants her autonomy, she can quit performing at any time, but there's a level of privilege in a lot of people in terms of being famous and getting access to things. And it's just, whether she means it or not, it can kinda come across as a bit entitled or ungrateful.

Starting point is 00:25:42 Some people see it that way. I love that she's going against the machine, so to speak. But it's just more. I think it's like you could say that about any sort of pop star that came before her. Like pop divas. Yeah. And why I think it's like Chapel Rowan is a very interesting case study. And are we going to treat her like we have treated every other woman who came before her? case study and are we going to treat her like we have treated every other woman who came before her and then in 20 years when she is destroyed by public discourse

Starting point is 00:26:10 and by the way the media treats women and we're gonna be like how could anyone have done this to her like the way Britney Spears or freaking Amy Winehouse like but what those are decades ago. What happened at Britney Spears? Yeah, but it can happen. There's people before Chappell that haven't, I mean like. Kai Carrera. I mean, it's just like, I just think it's an interesting case study in how the media and public culture claims to have moved forward and the way we treat young women who are

Starting point is 00:26:43 performance artists, but still go back into the same narratives of this is a woman who because she is speaking her mind she is being like difficult, you know what I mean? And I just I think it's an interesting way to see where we have gone forward and where we have not gone forward. I also think, like, some of the stuff, like her being on the red carpet, and paparazzi people who are hired to be there to take photos, she got mad because they said like fuck or something. They weren't even talking to her.

Starting point is 00:27:15 They were talking about someone beside them. And it's like she made that whole thing about her, and then the next time she saw him, she was like, you need to apologize. And it's like, this was just a headline for no reason. Like, you just got upset because they weren, you need to apologize. And it's like, this was just a headline for no reason. Like they weren't, like you just got upset because they weren't even talking to you. They were being aggressive

Starting point is 00:27:28 because they wanted a photo of you. But like you're at an event, you're you stepped onto this red carpet. At any event she goes to, she can say, I don't wanna do the carpet. I don't wanna do press and I don't wanna do carpet. I just wanna go to the event. That's true.

Starting point is 00:27:39 Is that true? Yeah, absolutely. We do it all the time. Yeah, the amount of times that Nick and I are like, let's do press, let's not do press, let's not do the carpet, let's do the carpet. I don't really look too good, I don't wanna do the carpet, you know?

Starting point is 00:27:46 She could do at every single event she goes to, if she doesn't wanna deal with these aggressive, paparazzi people, she could be like, I'm not fucking doing it, I'm just gonna go to this event and enjoy it. I completely understand that, and that's an interesting point to raise. I think that her persona is also being like kind of a bitch,

Starting point is 00:28:01 and I think that's great. She's creating that persona, yeah. So it's like, she's allowed to have that persona. Sure, but if your persona is to be kind of a bitch. And I think that's great. She's curating that persona. Yeah. So it's like she's allowed to have that persona. Fair enough, but then sure, but if your persona is to be kind of a bitch, then you can't complain if people start thinking you're a bitch. Well yeah, I don't think she's complaining about that though. Did you see the video of Taylor Swift?

Starting point is 00:28:14 That might be true. Taylor Swift recently where like the paparazzis were like sitting and she made her security guards like make them stand because she had a skirt on. Yeah, I mean that's like, I mean this has happened to Hailey Bieber so many times where these paparazzis try to get so low to get like a crotch shot.

Starting point is 00:28:28 Which is crazy, because paparazzis, I think to that extent too, are like, they go too far all the time. Oh, all the time. Yes. And if she's gonna be rude to anyone, I would love for her to be rude to paparazzi on the street if she's like getting a coffee or trying to go to her car.

Starting point is 00:28:40 But if you're at an event where you decided to walk in front of these paparazzi, it's a little different. But yes, and people were saying that Taylor was, they're like, why is she walking so slow, trying to make it something? And it's like she clearly was waiting for these paparazzi to stand up.

Starting point is 00:28:54 So her under parts aren't photographed. Yeah. Yeah. Craziness. They released the cast of the upcoming Ultimatum show? They did. They always choose just random couples, right? It's never a couple.

Starting point is 00:29:06 I've never seen it. Usually they're evil. It's pretty good. Oh, it's so good. It comes out December 9th. We'll definitely be covering this. Is this the straight Ultimatum? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:15 Okay. I haven't seen that one. Did they do one last year? They did the queer Ultimatum last year. But they didn't do straight Ultimatum, right? Cause I feel like the last Ultimatum we watched was with... It's been a while. Yeah, I feel like that was so long ago.

Starting point is 00:29:29 How many couples do they have? One, two, three, four, five, six. In season two was in August of 2023. Good looking cast. They look like they're gonna serve us up some good television. Wait, so what's the concept of Ultimatum? It's love is blind, but they're not blind.

Starting point is 00:29:44 No, so these couples get together. It? It's love is blind, but they're not blind. No, so they these couples get together it's as if love is blind kind of starts where At the like the honeymoon stage of the show. That's what I'm saying. People I just met though. No, they've been together for years So they find couples that allegedly are have been together for a while One of the people in the relationship are anxious and wanting to get engaged to take the next step. And so they are proposing this ultimatum. Of get married or I leave.

Starting point is 00:30:11 But they are surrounded by a bunch of other couples who are in the same boat. So do they ever sleep with each other? So part of the experiment is to couple swap and then live with them for a couple of weeks. Oh, just to see it. And then get back with their- So this is like wife swap.

Starting point is 00:30:27 Okay, got it. It's like- It's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's like temptation island meets. In the queer ultimatum, they did have sex with each other. Wow. Yeah. Messy. It was very messy.

Starting point is 00:30:36 It was very messy. Do you know what is messier than this though? What? Devin Schrader coming back to Instagram thinking he has an opportunity to open his mouth. He's chosen his villain origin story and I think he's like, it was a bachelorette, I'm gonna back to Instagram thinking he has an opportunity to open his mouth. He's chosen his villain origin story, and I think he's like, it was The Bachelorette, I'm gonna be a villain.

Starting point is 00:30:49 And he's full on embracing it. It's like, is he okay? But that's the thing, he's not even a villain, he's like just a bad guy. He's a villain now? You're just a piece of shit. Hell yeah. Like villain, I don't wanna like,

Starting point is 00:30:58 villain in reality TV world is a label used for normal, good people who are a little sassy on camera. This guy is allegedly a predator who has a very dark past and a very scary history with women. So to give the people context, if they are not up to date on what Devon Schrader has been doing,

Starting point is 00:31:23 he obviously was the guy that Jen Tran picked on her season of Bachelorette and a lot of terrible, terrible things came out about his past and stuff that he did to Jen. And he's been off of social media for a while, thank God, decided to come back, not sure whose great idea that was, but he uploaded a carousel of pics on Instagram and someone commented and said, "'Jen found a carousel of pics on Instagram and someone commented

Starting point is 00:31:45 and said, Jen found a great guy. His name is Sasha. And Devin decided to respond to that and say, that's a girl's name. Not if you're Russian. That's also, that's rich coming from a man named Devin. Devin. Devin. Who most Devins I know are females.

Starting point is 00:32:00 So. That's a great point. Well, so as Rososa, one of the professionals on Dancing with the Stars commented to that saying, I know five Devons, all in which are women. Literally, like, are you okay? And then Sasha then kind of responded to this and said, where is it? I gotta say though, why are we even talking about this guy?

Starting point is 00:32:19 You know, this is what he wants. Yeah, I don't care about him. Do you think it's what he wants? You think he wants more hate? Yeah. Really? Why do you think he turned it on? I don't care about him. Do you think it's what he wants? Do you think he wants more hate? Yeah. Really? Why do you think he turned it on? I don't think he's an idiot. I think he is and I think he's a bad guy.

Starting point is 00:32:31 And I think he's like- I think he's a bad guy. He's a bad guy for sure. I don't think he cares and I think he's like, you know what, this is just who I am. And like Sasha's a girl's name and like fuck that guy and fuck Jin and fuck all of you. Like I think that is his perspective.

Starting point is 00:32:42 Well, that's why I'm like he's choosing and maybe it's not the villain at it, but he's choosing to just be the bad guy. I just think this is who he always was. Well, yeah, clearly. And he had to contain it for TV purposes, trying to become something or be somebody. And now this is exactly who he has been, who he will be. He's an asshole. Well, and Sasha, to finish your point, Natalie did say the name Sasha is short for Alexander.

Starting point is 00:33:01 You know, who else had the same name? Alexander the Great, FYI. I mean, he just like wouldn't shut up. He said, Devin then continued saying, wow, Jen did some real charity work dating you. I'm a fan of helping the less fortunate as well. It's like, that's a- Not PR trained, at all. No, this man truly, I think he might be,

Starting point is 00:33:18 he might need to be behind bars. I think he's a really good example of why the block button exists. There you go. Honestly, I've been kind of entering my block era and it's fun. Do it. It is so fun.

Starting point is 00:33:31 Like Nick's kind of against the blocking, but I am so for blocking. It's like, you think you can send me some message and like, I clicked on a message and it had everything that scrolled up. It was negative, negative, awful, awful things. And I'm like, why am I allowing you to like get this off your chest and send it to me?

Starting point is 00:33:48 Like, fuck you, goodbye and blocked them. And I was like, oh, that felt good. Do you know how they can create another account? No, you block every, there's a feature on Instagram that says you block this account and every account that they make. Yeah. Love that. Good for you, Instagram.

Starting point is 00:34:00 Oh, interesting. What is this Shannon Bedor and John Jansen demand jury trials? Is this the first thing they're agreeing on? Yeah, they're going to trial. Wait, can we get tickets? The one time I want jury duty and the one time I'm like, oh my God, wait, how can I lie that I don't know who she is?

Starting point is 00:34:15 We can go and sit in. Can we? Live episode of The Vilephiles. Actually, that wouldn't be allowed. That wouldn't be allowed, but it would be so- I'm gonna text Shannon and ask her. Can I go and sit in the pews? Or the press.

Starting point is 00:34:29 The pews? The pews of court. Shannon did have that sound bite in the reunion being like, and I won. And that's her referring to this, I guess, being like, it's not just gonna settle for this 75,000. I love a court case drama. Love a court case drama.

Starting point is 00:34:44 I love getting professionals involved. Yes. They demand jury though. It hasn't been like confirmed you get jury. I don't know. They just want it. I think you can choose between two different types of trials where it's you, the judge and the counterpart, or you can have a jury trial.

Starting point is 00:35:00 So they're opting for a jury trial. Shannon was like, let me just have one woman. Let's do the court of public opinion. She said all I need is one woman on this jury. We would all lie. Have you ever seen the housewives? No. Shannon and John previously told the court they did not believe mediation would be fruitful. So it's like clearly not mediation. This guy's a monster.

Starting point is 00:35:17 Can they get cameras in this courtroom? Not in the state of California, unfortunately. That is crazy. There's only like a couple states I think that legally allow you to broadcast a trial. Probably for the best. I'll go in with a sketchbook. Just sketch it all out. Yeah, be the sketcher.

Starting point is 00:35:31 Are you a good sketch? I can draw. Are you a history major? I was an art history major, yeah. Anyways, I would love to sit in that room. I know we're gonna get into Real Housewives of New York, but I just have to get this out because I do see Real Housewives of Potomac

Starting point is 00:35:43 as Candace Dillard welcomes her first baby son. And I'm done with Real Housewives of New York. It's awful. It's terrible. We need to start covering Atlanta or Potomac because those two I hear are so bonkers. Atlanta's not out yet. And Atlanta was so good. Okay, when does it come out?

Starting point is 00:35:56 We don't know yet, but sometime 2025. But Potomac, I hear from multiple people. Because they have the edits. Robin once had a TMZ edit and like they had like a matrix edit like just The way they said it is incredible the way they edit it is kind of similar to like Salt Lake City where it's like a joke Like I think we collectively need to say we're done with New York We can stop watching it and stop covering it and start on I did like this episode though. I'm over it. I like Rebecca Minkoff This is gonna be a real debate I have a Rebecca Minkoff. So I would like to say. Let's save it, let's save it. We'll save it, we'll save it. This is gonna be a real debate. I have a Rebecca Minkoff diatribe.

Starting point is 00:36:25 Okay. All right. But yes, we should watch Potomac this season, it's really good. Up next we got Meghan McCain, formerly of The View. She's here to talk reality TV because the great unifier in this country is reality TV and all things Bravo.

Starting point is 00:36:38 We saw her on Watch What Happens Live and we are excited to hear her takes on all things Bravo. I think she's got a new Housewives pitch for us. We're excited to hear about that. But before we get to Megan, it is now time for Vibes vs. Stats. Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum I'll fight this week. the theme for vibes is cities. . Okay. So which city would you rather hang out with? The first game we're going to talk about is the Cleveland Browns at the New Orleans Saints. They are playing this in New Orleans. So Cleveland versus New Orleans.

Starting point is 00:37:06 Let's start with New Orleans. Nicknamed the Big Easy. Swamp culture, which is an ally to my people. Somehow redneck and French at the same time. Mardi Gras. Incredible music. We have jazz. Also, many other diverse types of music

Starting point is 00:37:18 reflecting the diverse culture of the city. Musicians. Benoit, beignets? Beignets. Yes. Yes. Yes, beignets. But some musicians. Yes, yes, yes, beignets. But some musicians, we have Big Freida,

Starting point is 00:37:27 Lucinda Williams. I'm cultured. Louis Armstrong, Lil Wayne, Jerry Louis, Fats Domino, Mahalia Jackson, to name a few of the musicians from there. Incredible food, we have gumbo, we have beignets. We have jambalaya, we have crawfish, not to mention, incredible accents coming out of Louisiana. I'm sold.

Starting point is 00:37:43 Also, the home of the best season of American Horror Story, which is Coven. And to top it all off, Stassi Schroeder is from New Orleans. Done. All right, but let's get to Cleveland. Rock and roll hall of fame is there. And if you're thinking that's a random place for that to be, you would be incorrect because some musicians from Cleveland

Starting point is 00:38:02 and the greater areas are Tracy Chapman, Nine Inch Nails, Kid Cudi, Bone Stugs & Harmony, Chrissy Hynde of The Pretenders, Devo, Razz Berries, and many, many, many more. It was the first city to be lit by electricity. It is home to the world's largest indoor Ferris wheel. And also if you're thinking you can't beat New Orleans food, that's fair. But Cleveland has some great options as well, such as pierogies, corned beef sandwiches. Pierogies are good. Chicken paprikash. Pretty incredible. Also, not for nothing, American Treasure, but Cleveland has some great options as well, such as pierogies, corned beef sandwiches. Perogies are good. Chicken paprikash, pretty incredible.

Starting point is 00:38:27 Also, not for nothing, American treasure Molly Shannon is from Cleveland. Okay. And she one time liked and commented on my Instagram. I was once in line at L'Arche Mont behind her. That's incredible. Her book is amazing. It gets cold in Cleveland now.

Starting point is 00:38:42 It does, it's in Ohio. Louisiana was pretty well packaged. Yeah, I don't love the cold. No? I can't do really coldness. Okay. And Louisiana, I mean, obviously, hello, New Orleans sounds so fun.

Starting point is 00:38:56 Music, good food, people are having fun in the streets. I'm gonna go with New Orleans. Vibes is going New Orleans? Yeah, all right, let's go Saints. I'll go Cleveland. Okay, all right. Shout out to the people of Cleveland. You've got a good city.

Starting point is 00:39:06 Anyway, game two Seattle Seahawks at San Francisco 49ers Seattle Space Needle, which was apparently first sketched on a napkin by international hotel executive Edward E. Farrelson, one of the country's most eco-friendly cities. It's the birthplace of Starbucks, which I have complicated feelings about as a former Starbucks employee. Kind of ruined my life. Home of iCarly, very important. And grunge music. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Bikini Kill, Slater Kenny, and many many more came from this grunge scene in Seattle. But Seattle does not only create grunge, they're mixed a lot. Jimi Hendrix,

Starting point is 00:39:39 Kenny Loggins, Hart, Kenny G, and the Dave Matthews fan all from the Greater Seattle area. Oh, Hart came from there? Hart did come from there. Love Hart. Oh Hark came from there? Hark did come from there. Love Hark. Magic Man probably lived in Seattle. Seattle has a whole wall of chewed gum. Hate that.

Starting point is 00:39:50 Yuck. Also one time after the Seahawks scored a touchdown and the fan response was so loud and ruckus that it created enough seismic energy to register between one and three on the Richter scale. Giving Taylor Swift. And American treasure Gene Smart is from Seattle. And then we have San Francisco. So this is this is grunge versus hippies is what we're talking about. As the Golden Gate Bridge from Full House, you know, love.

Starting point is 00:40:13 Also, I'll say it before and I'll say it again. Princess Diaries in San Francisco. And it has that big hill, which is famous where the brakes were broken. Yeah. Yeah. Home to Alcatraz. And apparently while Al Capone was in Alcatraz, he started a band called Rock Island where he played the banjo. Did not know that.

Starting point is 00:40:29 No, everyone talks about his crime. No one talks about his musical skills. But speaking of music, Seattle's grunge, San Francisco is hippies, and we're talking hate Ashbury the house down boots. I love reading Ashbury, it's so fun. With musical legends such as The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Amprin,

Starting point is 00:40:42 Santana, Sly and the Family Stone, Creedence, Clearwater Revival, Journey, Metallica, and the Doobie Brothers to name a few. Ricky Persall, I don't know if I'm saying his last name right, plays for another Niners. I want to pick the 49ers. I think the 49ers is North Calvary. And American Treasure Market Joe is famously from San Francisco. We're going San Francisco 49ers. I'll just take Seattle just for fun. That does it for Vibes vs. Stats. See if you guys can catch up. Alright, it's time for Megan McCain

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Starting point is 00:43:30 Don't wait, grab yours before they're gone. Hello! How's it going, Megan? Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to be here. Yeah, we're excited to have you. Obviously we saw you on Watch What Happens Live and we're just like we need to get Megan on to talk all things Bravo. Yeah, I'm very happy to talk all things Bravo and take a little break. Yeah. So thank you for having me. I feel like

Starting point is 00:43:55 we don't really talk politics. I try to I try to stay connected. But I also feel like in general, politics is like maybe the most craziest reality TV show out there. Would you agree or disagree on that? Oh, I mean, I think politics is like wildly more dramatic and controversial and more backstabby and juicy and dirty and there are better sex scandals than anything in reality TV. Wow, sex scandals. Why don't we ever hear?

Starting point is 00:44:21 We need hidden cameras in the Oval Office. Why don't we? I think. It's like Love Island style. Yeah. Why don't we ever hear? We need hidden cameras in the Oval Office. Why don't we? Love Island style. Yeah. Do I don't we ever hear about the sex scandals? Why don't, why don't, why do those get swept in? You did hear about some sex scandals. Not enough.

Starting point is 00:44:34 I mean, there's some pretty good ones. There's been some pretty good ones. And I, because I'm old and 40, um, there's been like, you know, there's ones that I can remember from forever ago. There was a congressman that was caught by a police officer in a bathroom stall in Minneapolis soliciting sex. That was an entertaining one. Cause there's always like some hypocrisy

Starting point is 00:44:56 with politicians and sex scandals. Like there's always, cause it's normally the people who are the most, you know, pious tend to be the ones behaving in that. In fact, I believe that that scandal just happened with the man running for governor of North Carolina. Oh, yeah. What Bravo Housewives shows are you watching these days? I watch all of them, but I stopped watching Potomac only because they are always filming in my neighborhood. And I just like sometimes when things are like a little too close for comfort I I like stop watching but I'm watching all of them but I was

Starting point is 00:45:28 telling your producer that New York is getting on my last nerve. Megan I said last night I looked at Nick and I said we I cannot watch this show anymore we've got to move we have to switch to Potomac or just like when Atlanta comes out we've got to do Atlanta because New York is so boring. It's so awful. We're fighting over being called a basic bitch. Like where I want to be fighting over being called like a stupid whore.

Starting point is 00:45:52 Like that's what I want to hear. A basic bitch. I am so bored. Well, I can't figure out. First of all, I don't know about you, but I need escapism in my life, which is why I like reality TV. Like I don't really watch sports.

Starting point is 00:46:03 I don't watch, you know, like I don't watch a ton of scripted TV. I love reality television. I love like the drama of the humans on it. I love messy, complicated, problematic people. And my, and I would say this to Andy Cohen's face, and candidly I'm not trying to like name jobs, we are friends.

Starting point is 00:46:19 This is too produced and these people are too aware of the cameras. Yes. I think this show could be on any platform. I think I could be watching like a lifetime show, a We Network and Oxygen and respectful to those networks. We watch Bravo for it being the brass ring of reality TV. I need escapism.

Starting point is 00:46:35 I need drama and messiness and all these things. And we are certainly not getting that at all. And it's just, it's really, I feel like they're producing themselves, which I find- 100%. I think even with this prank that Rebecca and Aaron, like that just proves even more that you're like, you're, you realize that your season is boring and you're like, I'm going to throw in a prank and make everyone, you know, it's like you have no storylines

Starting point is 00:46:59 and now you're creating them and calling it a prank. But the thing is that people already questioned the integrity of reality television and how real it is, and you were feeding the fire that it's all scripted, it's all bullshit, and for this stupid joke? They kind of gave a window into bullshitting scenes. It pissed me off so bad. I'm really interested in Rebecca being a Scientologist, because I have very strong opinions about Scientology,

Starting point is 00:47:25 as I think the rest of the world does. I mean, I think it's mostly negative from, I'm just going to gauge that. Sorry to any Scientology fans or Scientologists, but it's a religion that is seen as a cult. It's extremely controversial. A lot of people have left Scientology in really intense ways like Leah Remini.

Starting point is 00:47:41 I would love to talk about this, why she defends her religion. And her saying like, this is off camera, like what she did in a helicopter. And then Jenna Lyon's not talking about her fiance. I just didn't like, what am I doing here? What am I watching? Because all the things I'm interested in,

Starting point is 00:47:56 they're not addressing. Did y'all realize that Rebecca not once said the word Scientology? Oh. I think she was like a Jew and the other one. She never once said the word Scientology. It's like, that's weird. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:09 I mean, I'm fascinated by it and I'm fascinated by a lot. I would love to see a lot of things that are off camera, but I just, I really was a huge fan of the OG. I think like most people were. And I, the last season, I didn't like it all. And again, like I always say, like, don't, don't do my job. I don't want to do your job. And like, we should keep it separate.

Starting point is 00:48:27 It was way too political for me. And I think most of the Bravo audience, which is why they didn't have a finale. And I was really expecting like a younger, more diverse, interesting generation to bring normal things to the, to the show, but still like juicy and dishy and dramatic. And I honestly respectful to them. I feel like maybe my group of friends

Starting point is 00:48:45 are more dramatic than this. Like, it's just not a show. I might stop watching. I mean, I always watch, but I might end there. We're on our way to the end. We were saying this the other week. They seem like interesting people that I would definitely maybe want to be friends with

Starting point is 00:48:58 because they don't seem as problematic as some of the other housewives. I'd be afraid to be friends with some of the other housewives because it's like, I don't know what they're gonna, what bullshit rumors are gonna start or anything like that, because they're so messy. But the ladies of Rony are just classy, unproblematic,

Starting point is 00:49:14 you know, seem pretty kind people, but I don't know if I wanna watch them. My hot take is that they just seem bored. That's like, oh, I'm just gonna create a rumor about somebody else, and now we're gonna sit around talking about bullshit for an entire episode, have me follow it, and be like, haha, just kidding. Like, I don't about somebody else. Now we're going to sit around talking about bullshit for an entire episode. Have me follow it and be like, just kidding.

Starting point is 00:49:27 Like, I don't know the whole thing. They have nothing to talk about. They have no actual real relationships. They're not bringing anything to the surface about each other or their relationships or anything. I think Jessel is probably the most giving housewife on Real Housewives of New York, because she's actually talking about real issues in her life with wanting to have a child and her issues with Povit. Like, I'm like like outside of that, what are we getting from anyone?

Starting point is 00:49:47 She's my favorite. Yeah. She's my favorite, like she can stay. And that's pretty cast around her. Yeah. They're all so beautiful and so wealthy and that's like definitely a part of it. But I just feel like if,

Starting point is 00:50:01 but I, Jenna Lyons, obviously everyone knew her because she was like a fashion icon and brand J. Crew. But I just feel like if, but I, I Jenna Lyons, obviously everyone knew her because she was like a fashion, you know, icon and brand J crew. But I just feel like if she's like, I'm not going to talk about my personal life. I'm not going to talk about my fiance, the point of being a reality TV star is being open. And there's so many women on the sizes that have just like laid it out all on the table and showed all their scars and wounds and you know, lawsuits. And I just don't understand why these women

Starting point is 00:50:27 get to hold the same place with like an Erica Jane. I just don't understand. Totally, I feel like they're just way too- Sorry to be harsh, I have strong opinions. No, that's not harsh. I feel like we all feel that same way. And it's like, they're all too just good of friends. They don't hate each other enough.

Starting point is 00:50:41 They're not willing to dig up dirt like Heather is on Katie and bring up something from 10 years ago and bring it to the cameras to like have drama. They're just not willing to do that, which again, that's great. They seem like great people, but not great television stars. Do you think it lasts?

Starting point is 00:50:57 Cause I feel like it may go away in Dubai. Yeah, I feel like we are, I think we're speaking for the people here. I feel like a lot of us think we're speaking for the people here. I feel like a lot of us are in tune with our tag. It's just, it's like we all wanted to watch it. It's New York City. It's like, you know, a very iconic.

Starting point is 00:51:15 And it's their second season. So you really think they're gonna bring it because they actually know each other, like, okay. Yeah, it's like you want, as a sports fan, you want your big iconic cities to have good teams because it's kind of like rooted in that. And it's like, so you want Rony to be successful, but it's just kind of like, I heard Megan that you want to pitch for Bravo to bring back Real Housewives of DC.

Starting point is 00:51:35 Is that accurate? I say this every time I see Andy Cohen in person because I live right outside DC. I live in the Bellway, which is like right outside DC. And the original DC, which came on in the Obama era, which is, you know, 20 years ago, I think at outside DC. I live in the Bellway, which is like right outside DC. And the original DC, which came on in the Obama era, which is 20 years ago, I think at this point, I don't know if you guys remember it got canceled because one of the cast members crashed a White House party and the FBI had to get involved.

Starting point is 00:51:56 And it was actually kind of a scandal. They had a congressional hearing about it because they, yeah, they went in without a security clearance, which is quite dangerous. But it was canceled because of that because it was too i asked andy before and he's like i can't do anything with the fbi's involved so i just think it's a city again with like lots of drama lots of characters lots of like you know women who throw expensive parties women married to rich wealthy people and i'm always pushing for them to bring it back. DC, and Potomac I respect obviously,

Starting point is 00:52:27 but it's still like a different, totally different city. Are you able to like, who would name drop any senators or congresspeople, regardless of the side of the aisle they're on, that you think would make either good housewives or good spouses of housewives? The spouses are more like media people. And one of them is Brett Baier's wife, who is this like complete glamazon,

Starting point is 00:52:49 like socialite woman, Brett Baier, anchor on Fox News. There's a woman named Tammy Haddad who runs all the White House Correspondents Dinner parties that like, if you're not invited to, you're not cool. I think she would be a good person. And then I think, I mean, look, there are people that have like major personalities like Marjorie Taylor-Gray in AOC,

Starting point is 00:53:08 but I don't see any universe where they're like on going to be on camera. But they certainly love cameras. That would be sad. They seem to love the camera though, I don't know. And you know, George Santos, I think like, I mean, he should be on reality television in some form. I'm surprised he hasn't yet.

Starting point is 00:53:23 What is he doing these days? Cameo, right? No! That's right, he is on Cameo. Sorry. That's crazy. What are your thoughts on Salt Lake City this season? I love Salt Lake City.

Starting point is 00:53:34 It's like the anti-New York to me. I love, I actually, my metric is like, will I watch it live? And I watch that one live. I make sure that I can watch it when it first airs at nine o'clock. And I watched that one live. Like I make sure that I can watch it when it first airs at nine o'clock. And I love it. I think Bronwyn is like fast and furious,

Starting point is 00:53:50 gonna be a favorite of all time. I just, she's doing like everything right. In my opinion. And I'm sick of Heather. Heather's the one that I think could be next season. I just don't know what she's bringing to the table. I don't like the ozempic plotline and I'm over it, but the rest of them I'm really into. I think it's like, I was really worried

Starting point is 00:54:11 when Monica left that it would be terrible and that she would like tank it because she was really, I actually liked her and it's controversial. We liked her too. Yeah, I really, I love a messy, I love messy people. I don't know what that does. I'm not watching Housewives for like good moral character. I'm looking at it to feel better about myself. Like, yeah, I don't, that's why it's like, I don't want good decisions. You know, I want petty, who uninvited who to the trip. And yeah, and I want bad parallel parking.

Starting point is 00:54:43 That was my favorite scene of this season. Those editors did him so dirty because he's like a terrible driver. My favorite thing though is like, does Bronwyn's husband realize that he signed up to be on Reality Show? No, no. Because he got there, he's like, I don't want trauma.

Starting point is 00:54:59 I said I wouldn't do drama. I was like, what do you think you're doing? He thought if he said yes to her going on Housewives, that he wouldn't have to buy her another $5 million necklace. It was like a trade. And then now I think he's like, He's telling us he has to do like both. He has to deal with drama and still buy her the necklace.

Starting point is 00:55:16 If I buy you this necklace, will you not go on next season? I was surprised that they showed that just because, you know, a $5 million necklace is so, you know, it's like crazy for any normal person to think about buying that. And I was surprised. She was like, look, we can just throw around $5 million for this necklace. That's a great way to get your house. Yeah. Like that's like a whole thing now. Like every celebrity out there, there's always a new report about someone breaking into their house and stealing all their stuff. So I hope she has a good security system. I also was really taken with her demeanor change when her husband, Todd, yelled at her.

Starting point is 00:55:52 Yeah, I said the same. It's giving like dad is scolding the child and he's like, we're not going to do this. And she was like, OK, like looking up like, could you do it though? She was like, I'm sorry. You're right. I'm sorry. And it was not a conversation. It didn't feel like husband and wife It wasn't like honey Let's talk about what this drama is and why she's coming from this side and what my point of view it was like I'm not gonna have this we're not gonna do this get rid of it. It was like, oh my god for me

Starting point is 00:56:18 It was just an interesting look into clearly their dynamic because you're right It did come across much more father and daughter than husband and wife Which which I don't know, even in the other scenes before when they were like eating lunch, I was like, uh, I think this is just not how my husband and I hang out when we eat. But my husband's only three years older than me. So maybe there's just with generation gaps. I don't know. But I love Bronwyn. I really think she's a really fascinating character for TV and like understands the assignment. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I think it says a lot about Brawn because I think being on reality TV is the most high school environment you could find.

Starting point is 00:56:51 It's like every person who goes on reality TV this go into their who was I in high school and they kind of go back in that role. And so every new cast member on reality TV, there's always this initiation process. There's always this kind of like there's always this kinda like, do you belong here with the other cast members? And that's clearly going on with Lisa and Heather

Starting point is 00:57:10 in Salt Lake City, and she is absolutely crushing it. She's fitting right in. And I honestly think both Brittany and Brawyn, honestly they're two of the most compelling characters this season. I missed Brittany last episode when she, I didn't miss Heather, yeah. I was like, oh okay. I didn't miss Heather, yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:25 I was like, oh, okay. I don't miss Heather, and I think she's like, jump the shark, but I agree with Brittany, and there's something about, I have friends who live in Salt Lake City, and they, I asked, are the Osmonds still a thing? Because you think of Donnie and Marie, respectfully, as being a few generations ago, cool?

Starting point is 00:57:42 And she was like, oh, is the Osmonds like a dynasty family there? So it's just funny to see her like, I'm dating an Osmond right now. I really like her too. I think she's really raw. I saw some clips online too. She's a very talented Broadway singer, which I would love to see.

Starting point is 00:57:59 Yeah, she was composing at the dinner party, which I thought was a little strange, but that actually makes more sense though, if she actually has a background. Yeah, she was composing at the dinner party, which I thought was a little strange. But that actually makes more sense though, if she actually has a background. Yeah, but I'm like, I feel like Bronwyn gives everything that you want out of a new house, so I have a big personality, absurdly rich, but also kind of aloof about it.

Starting point is 00:58:16 And then Brittany is so vulnerable and so just like, here's my heart on a plate, just will anyone listen? And I'm like, yes, I will. At first it was irritating because you're like, you're getting too comfortable too fast. But now I'm like, yes, I will. At first it was irritating because you're like, you're getting too comfortable too fast. But now I'm like, no, no, give me something. Because watching Heather try to shop for fake loyalty from Lisa and Meredith at the beginning of the episode,

Starting point is 00:58:34 I was like, you think that you're going to get the loyalty from them that you're giving because you want so badly to be a part of this group. And then they both still just end up going on the trip anyways. They're like, so sorry, but like, we'll call you. I didn't like them calling her I agreed with Bronwyn I thought it was rude. It was. Also the second she gets up to leave you call her. And she's not one again what is she bringing to that if someone flew me on a private jet to Palm Springs and was like

Starting point is 00:58:58 here's my beautiful pool and food and drinks would not be thinking about FaceTiming like someone who wasn't there. I didn't understand that either. But that or the part they were trying to plan another trip that was going to exclude Brawin on the trip that Brawin paid for. That was some mean girl shit. Yeah. And I really wonder what happens with Lisa and Meredith going forward, because I do think it's a little mean girl, like he like Meredith, I could also lose like not again, our very hot take I don't want to get you guys like having the housewives message you getting so mad but they're bringing as much that they are okay Meredith I could lose too but

Starting point is 00:59:34 I still like Lisa and I really like Angie a lot like I really think she's such a wonderful housewife too yeah I feel like this is Angie's like big coming on Susan Angie's big coming out season. Angie's the star season for me, Angie and Bronwyn. I read here, Megan, that you interned at SNL. I did. Can you believe that? When I was in college, so everyone's like,

Starting point is 00:59:55 how did you get that job? How did you get that job? And I was like, just classic nepotism. My dad hosted and Lauren Michaels asked me because I was in college right after and it was amazing experience obviously. I think it was still like sort of a more wild time at SNL than it is now. It seems very like a little more tame and my biggest like permeating memory was being an intern that had to deal with

Starting point is 01:00:19 a situation after Ashley Simpson was caught lip syncing. Yeah. You were there for that? The hoedown? I was. She did not treat her dressing room the way, she kind of trashed her dressing room a little and like got mad. I mean, not completely, but like she got mad backstage. She went full like rock star and like broke things? No, she didn't break things, but she like kicked the door. And I remember me and my other interns were outside.

Starting point is 01:00:45 Like I was like, even at that age, I think it was like 21. And I was like, this is a moment in pop culture that I am witnessing that will be forever embedded in my life and my brain. And it's still one of those moments people are like so interested in. Oh, yeah. That forever is like. And when I was there, interns had to wait in the hall during the show. So I don't know if they still do that, but it was like right now where the dressing rooms are.

Starting point is 01:01:07 It was a wonderful experience. I mean, I really was so lucky and so, you know, was amazing to even be able to do it. I did it for like a little over a year, I think. Who was the most engaging cast member? Will Forte, who is not exactly a complete household name, I guess, or I mean, he is, but he is not like, you know, Jimmy Fallon or something, and he was always so lovely and so respectful of everyone and so

Starting point is 01:01:28 kind they were all pretty nice like when I was there it was like a pretty nice group of people like Tina Fey was still there I think I think that show probably does people are like more calm when it's doing really well and I was there during like a high time for the show I am curious though like you grew up like in a political family like do you have to engage with like obnoxious people who like know your name and make general assumptions about you like maybe like I feel like as reality TV stars sometimes they have to deal with stuff like that but how is that how is that for you and how do you navigate you know being known? You know

Starting point is 01:02:00 every room I go into every interview I do I always know there's gonna be people that are like yeah I love her I love her family. They're amazing. Or other people that think that I'm like the worst woman ever and that people are going to hate me. But on the flip side, it's also like such a privilege. And so I love it. And I don't want to do anything else. But I've certainly been screamed at in restaurants before. And then I've had like wonderful things happen to so huge. I'm a mixed bag. I mean, does that happen with you? You're a little controversial too, Nick, like a little. I mean, maybe not as much anymore, but you used to.

Starting point is 01:02:30 I mean, well, see, that's the thing. I think the difference between reality TV and politics, I think for the vast majority of people, they can disconnect. I think in the 10 years I've been in the public eye, I've had maybe less than five encounters where someone felt the need to be honest with how they felt about me. But for the most part, people just meet you and they're just excited and they think they're

Starting point is 01:02:53 meeting someone famous type of thing. So once I was getting a massage, which was my own fault in public, and then some lady interrupted me and told me that she thought I was a terrible person. So that was fun. I feel like being on reality TV would be such, I could never do it. I really, I know it's like an ever evolving thing where now variety magazines having events

Starting point is 01:03:14 to honor reality TV stars, but I feel like people don't, and I think, because I know a few people on reality TV, it just seems like the most difficult, like raw, bare, vulnerable thing to do. I could never do reality TV. And I've been asked to do really dumb reality stuff before, and I could never do it because I'm very private.

Starting point is 01:03:34 We say this all the time, especially with the Housewives. I mean, they really give a lot of themselves, and it's not for the faint of heart, and it's not easy to do, and it does require some kind of, I don't know if it's skill or talent or just a willingness, but either way, it's not for the faint of heart and it's not easy to do and it does require some kind of, I don't know if it's skill or talent or just a willingness, but either way, it's not for everyone, that is for sure. Would you ever do it again? Like do something official?

Starting point is 01:03:53 I'd like to host something, but I don't think I would ever, I mean, I did like Special Forces last season and then that was like a really cool opportunity just because I could like test my endurance or just resilience and things like that. So, you know, I would never say never if it's opportunities like that, like maybe traders one day because traders is like a fun game of like, who done it and it's like not that serious. But like I would never do anything that like highlighted my I would never be the subject or like let people into my life that way because like you like there's

Starting point is 01:04:23 a level of privacy that I'm just not willing to give up anymore. I got asked to go on that Special Forces show too and I was like, I can barely work out at the gym. I'm not going on that show, I'm embarrassing myself. It was, I recommend anyone who does it because it was still a crazy experience. So I don't know, I'm glad I did it. Megan, this has been so much fun.

Starting point is 01:04:42 Can you let the people know where they can find you, follow you, all that fun stuff? Yes, I have a new Substack, meganmccain.substack.com, and then I have my own podcast that's not nearly as successful as yours called Citizen McCain. And thank you all so much for having me. And I guess I will continue not watching New York with you, but I'm very excited about Beverly Hills.

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Starting point is 01:07:41 All right. Well, congratulations to Joan and her man, Chalk. I love that I got that right from the beginning. Congratulations to me. We're going to get in. We're not going to really cover it, you know, recap it today. Because while we watched the episode, we didn't see the live finale. So we have Joan and Chalk on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap.

Starting point is 01:08:03 We'll be talking with the lovebirds there and we'll be getting into the episode. If any shenanigans happen at the live, we'll talk about it there. But congrats to them. I did think it was interesting. Recently, Pascal was interviewed by, was it Glamour or something?

Starting point is 01:08:14 Glamour, yes. And he had some, I thought, interesting thoughts. In addition to him weirdly mentioning he wanted, if he were the Golden Bachelor, the show to cast younger women, which is just not something he should probably say in that role, but nevertheless, I did think he had some interesting thoughts

Starting point is 01:08:30 in terms of casting people in each city. I love Love is Blind. Can you read it for me? Chicago's got 13 million people, you can't tell me you can't find 25 widowed divorced people in that age group because in my age, I wanna wake up with somebody, I wanna go to bed with somebody, I wanna go to bed with somebody,

Starting point is 01:08:46 I wanna take a walk with somebody. He also said that for somebody in their 20s, hey, I'm gonna move to LA, I'm gonna move to New Orleans, and we're gonna make a living together. But when you're like me established, I have a business, I have real estate, I have my friends, I have my routine, I have my health club, I ain't going to move anywhere.

Starting point is 01:09:00 They should do Golden Bachelor of Chicago, of New York, et cetera. I kind of, it's kind of hard to disagree with that. Yeah. So like love is blind style. That is very interesting. He's not wrong. He's not wrong.

Starting point is 01:09:11 Yeah, cause you're so established at that age that to say like, I'm gonna give up everything cause I've met somebody and try to compromise. I mean, that was one of the reasons that Gary and Teresa said they didn't work was because the long distance, you know? I mean, why, if the producers at Golden Bachelorette or a bachelor want this to work,

Starting point is 01:09:29 why not switch their casting a little bit to make it actually work for these golden people? And he's right, I mean, you can find 25 people in a city full of how many million? Just walk outside. 13 million in Chicago. Yeah, and it doesn't even have to be just Chicago. It could be like, you know, the surrounding area.

Starting point is 01:09:49 So you could get like Milwaukee, you know, even parts of Iowa, you could cast from Iowa, Indiana, that just that general area would make it a lot easier. It's a great point. Yeah. Cause what if they're gonna leave their families? Their grandkids, like, no. Yeah. Cause what are they gonna leave their families? Their grandkids, like no.

Starting point is 01:10:05 Yeah. I don't know. Maybe he's got some good points there. And then did he, who did he have to apologize? He's been just kind of running his mouth. He apparently apologized to Chalk for calling him a stalker. Why did he call Chalk a stalker?

Starting point is 01:10:20 So on November 10th, Pascal took on Instagram to quickly apologize to Chalk in a video where he said, I wanna make this video because I wanna thank Bachelor Nation Chalk a stalker. So on November 10th, Pascal took on Instagram to quickly apologize to Chalk in a video where he said, I want to make this video because I want to thank bachelor nation to include me in the first golden bachelor at season, but an incredible experience. I had the chance to meet some incredible gentlemen along the way. But then he got into saying, but the most important thing is I want to apologize

Starting point is 01:10:38 to Chalk me calling him a stalker was out of line, inappropriate uncalled for and definitely the wrong use of the word. So please Chalk accept my apology. So I guess he did an interview. Yes, so for context. With Cosmopolitan, and the quote that he said was, Chalk was all over her to the point where he was like a stalker.

Starting point is 01:10:56 I mean, it was like, I love you, let's leave, let's do this, let's do that. And which side of the bed are you sleeping on? It's a bizarre behavior, I don't know. I can't wait to be with you, I feel like I'm in love with you. So he was basically chalking chalk up to being a stalker. So Pascal will not be your next Golden Bachelor.

Starting point is 01:11:12 Nope. Yeah, kind of talk to himself out of that role. He's a hot mic, that's what it is. He is hot mic. It's kind of fun, I kind of love it. I mean, perfect for Bachelor, Golden Bachelor in Paradise. Right. Yes. Have we heard any word on that?

Starting point is 01:11:24 Like if they're even considering it? I don't. I think they're teasing the possibility, right? Have they? I don't know. Every time they're like, so and so, so and so. How are you doing? Maybe they have.

Starting point is 01:11:34 I think they're testing to see if people care about them outside of like- For all we know, for the people who watched it last night, maybe there's a reference to it on the live show. I don't know. We didn't watch the live show. So we're still trying to get Nellie's mom on. Yep. Is she ready and willing? there's a reference to it on the live show. I don't know, we didn't watch the live show, so. Got it right. We're still trying to get Nellie's mom on. Yep, she ready and willing?

Starting point is 01:11:49 I think so. We think so. She made a cute little video. I wanna see her video, I was gonna say. The video is very cute. Very cute, very demure. Very mindful. Very mindful. Was River in the video?

Starting point is 01:11:59 No. No, no, no. By the way, this is her baby. She said she is the grandmother to a beautiful granddaughter. There you go. Yeah. One thing I want to say about the Rebecca Minkoff storyline is I think Bravo is being very irresponsible. Rebecca is saying you need to read more about Scientology.

Starting point is 01:12:21 You need to watch more movies. It was kind of an infomercial for Scientology. It was 100% an infomercial for Scientology, you need to watch more movies. It was kind of an infomercial for Scientology. It was 100% an infomercial for Scientology. It's like you don't, it's misrepresented, don't read the- The Going Clear. The Going Clear. Yes, which is the definitive literature on Scientology.

Starting point is 01:12:37 Which is full of stories from victims of Scientology. Natalie pointed out properly too that she says the other one instead of Scientology, which is interesting. She doesn't say Scientology. Yeah. Natalie pointed out properly too that she says the other one instead of Scientology, which is interesting. She doesn't say Scientology at all. So it's like she, it's like if she says the word Scientology then I feel like Scientology community is gonna come after her and be like,

Starting point is 01:12:54 why are you speaking about it on a... But it was a very fascinating element of her casting. And then they finally talk about it and it kind of just ends up being. What's because. All plots. Well an infomercial. Scientologists are not supposed to really be talking

Starting point is 01:13:09 about Scientology honestly to the public. They're trained very specifically about what to say and what not to say to get people interested but not knowledgeable. She said that all it is is tools to help you and that's kind of it. Lowkey suggested that it helped her build her $100 million business.

Starting point is 01:13:28 I also feel like, and this is why I'm done with Roni, is because next episode we then have to see the fallout of this prank because they still haven't told the girls that it's a prank. And so it's like now we're gonna see the continuous of like, oh my God, I can't believe that you're in a total- There's the definition of overproduced. Fake storyline.

Starting point is 01:13:43 It's like, come on, people. This is also not something that you joke about or prank about, like this isn't, it's not a tasteful joke or prank because you have Jessel trying to get pregnant. She can't get pregnant naturally. And then you have Rebecca like faking a pregnancy. It just, it's not tasteful.

Starting point is 01:14:01 It's mean. And it's just kind of weird that it's like, you want the rumor, the joke,, regardless, it's just like, oh, you had an orgy and then got knocked up by someone who's not your partner. I don't see how that's funny. Well, I think it would be definitely an issue if it was people spreading this without Rebecca's insight,

Starting point is 01:14:19 but she's a part of the joke, and clearly she made it, thought of the idea. And so it's like, she's clearly comfortable and happy enough in her own life to where she's like, this isn't gonna affect me if this like stupid rumor or like whatever gets out, like I'm good. So it's funny to me. Maybe people will think she's interesting

Starting point is 01:14:37 for the first time. Yeah, it's just weird to me. It's weird humor. I know Jenna Lyons is like iconic and untouchable and cool, but like, isn't it like the doucheiest thing anyone can do wearing sunglasses inside? I'm pro her being douchey. Well she doesn't have eyelashes. We can still recognize it as douchey.

Starting point is 01:14:54 No, well so Jenna Lyons doesn't have eyelashes or like eyebrows, like she has a condition, so she wears eyeglasses for like just like a comfort thing. Okay. So I don't think it's a douchey thing. Why are they sunglasses? I just think that's just the glasses. Because she's cool and she likes them. You can get sunglasses prescription. That's why she wears a lot of glasses is because she has a condition and like that's her thing.

Starting point is 01:15:13 That's why she created- So can she see or can she not? Does she have good vision or bad vision? Like are the glasses like to help her see or? I mean, I don't know about that part, but she's said before that it's a fashion statement that's also conventional because she has a condition where she doesn't have eyelashes, eyebrows,

Starting point is 01:15:27 and that's why she has her like eyelash brand. You think it's Dushi to wear glasses, Nick? No, sunglasses inside. Just saying, what if they were transition lenses? Yeah. Anti-transition lenses? Transition lenses are the opposite of Dushi. Those are brave people.

Starting point is 01:15:39 Remember when Tom Sandoval wore his sunglasses on this podcast? Those are nerdy. I had transition lenses for a while. Transition lenses are, no. You're brave if you wear transition lenses. That's the opposite of douchey, that's confidence. I really want, I really want, come on. Does that make me less basic?

Starting point is 01:15:52 But it is crazy that during that whole, like, Rebecca rumor whole thing, Brin chimes in and she's like, verifies that they're an open couple. They did it to catch her in a lie, that's why. But that is crazy, like that is Brin. And it's's why. But that is crazy. Like, that is Brynn. And it's like... She does it, yeah. Like, what are you doing?

Starting point is 01:16:08 I think Brynn, if she was in a cast of other people that were actively trying to be housewives, she would not be coming across this way. Brynn is the only person who understands... I think Brynn and Jessel understand the assign. And I don't think anyone else did. Yeah, you're kinda right. I mean, Jeff Lewis said it on Watch What Happens Live last night,

Starting point is 01:16:24 that like, the bit is over. Brynn over-sexualizing herself, especially with Jenna, is like... Yeah, she had the move, I'm gay shirt, I'm like, go straight. Yeah, but kind of to your point, Mary, Brynn's the only one trying. Yeah, and the only reason it's coming across like that

Starting point is 01:16:39 is because... You're making Brynn lean into this bit because it's like, come on everyone. I don't think they're making her, I think she's willingly leaning into that bit. I think she said it herself. I'm just saying. The sexual part is like. Brynn has been shown to be a willing,

Starting point is 01:16:50 like she's been willing to participate in drama while most of her cast are not. So she's out there constantly looking like the one starting drama and this silly drama, and it is, but no one's giving her anything to work with. Yeah, so I'm saying if you have an open cast, then there's no need to self-produce the way that she has said. That's why it's getting old is because it's like,

Starting point is 01:17:09 how many times are you gonna lie, exaggerate, and say things that people didn't say for a storyline? Because now we're tired. Brenna's just trying to do her job well. Then that's casting. They need to figure that out because it's like, at the end of the day, if she's the only one doing their job and we are all now as viewers

Starting point is 01:17:22 being like, I'm tired of it. But I think it's also showing us a light into the falseness of, then it makes you question, okay, are all Housewives doing this? Is this what we're watching on the other shows? Are they doing what Bryn's doing? Or I think it kind of makes you question the rest of the franchise.

Starting point is 01:17:38 Well, there's different production companies producing different franchises and different shows, and I think it just kind of comes with, it all comes down to casting. I think any reality TV producer is gonna tell you that they want the most authentic moments, they want to just show the real stuff, but sometimes, even on The Bachelor,

Starting point is 01:17:58 depending on casting, if you get a bunch of people who show up who are afraid to look bad and just want the Instagram followers and just want to just be like, hey man, like it's your turn, you know, like then the producers have to start producing. They would love not to, but sometimes they're not giving a choice.

Starting point is 01:18:13 So it really comes down to casting and it seems like they didn't cast for the right reasons. I think. But this is why I love even the Bravo shows that have been going nine, 10 seasons, the Vanderpumps, the Summer House, the Southern Charm. It's like these people were an actual group of friends, not a hodgepodge group of people that you think

Starting point is 01:18:29 would fit together in a group. They actually know each other. So the drama that's coming to the surface on camera could be shit that happened two, three years ago that they've been irritated with, but coming forward now because of certain setting and whatever, it's authentic, it's real, because these people actually know each other.

Starting point is 01:18:42 Yeah, like, you know, Kyle Cook is willing to have Nellie come on the show and be like, fuck Kyle Cook, you know? Because he is willing to just lean in to who he is. To be who he is. And he is messy, and he wants to just show you. And that's the thing, there's nothing that we could say about Kyle that's gonna change Amanda's mind about Kyle, because she knows Kyle.

Starting point is 01:19:00 And anything we say on the show isn't gonna stop Kyle from being who he is. Exactly. And there's clearly too many people on reality TV who are listening to too many podcasts and editing themselves. Exactly. I think that the only thing Roni is really bringing

Starting point is 01:19:12 to the table is brand integration for NBC Universal. I.E. Wicked. I.E. Rebecca Minkoff's Wicked tie-in line. That was, can I just say, ugly. Where was the green, Rebecca? Where was Elphaba? Where was Elphaba? The titular role of wicked. Also, wrong pink.

Starting point is 01:19:31 Brown? In Oz? I miss Luanne in the fish room. I do too. Yeah, like Luanne wasn't sitting here being like, you know what I'm going to say this week? Like, no. She was like, hi, follow me.

Starting point is 01:19:42 I am fabulous. I have cabaret. Like, I am a star, it doesn't matter. Like, even when bad things happen to her, she found a way to like spin it and still be a star. Sonia. When you're pretending to get mad about your friend calling you a basic bitch.

Starting point is 01:19:52 Come the fuck on, what are we doing here? This is kindergarten shit. Well, that's a common housewife storyline, just in this context, it was really like, dumb and like, manufactured. No, but like- Because they always talk about like, basic bitch, and like, Natalie said they use on like yeah

Starting point is 01:20:07 That's what I want to hear though I don't want a basic bitch that term like that doesn't piss me off. It doesn't piss a housewife off. Come on There's bigger like you have bigger issues like someone calling you basic bitch really, okay Stassi is shorter made an entire career based off of being basic Like it's not the insult that like she, that Jessel's pretending it is. Basic just means you're mainstream. Yeah, I think it was. I think it's an insult.

Starting point is 01:20:28 There was a beautiful, beautiful moment where Brynn lies to Jessel's face about what Jenna said to her, calling her basic. And you can watch, like I truly like was transported back to like the fifth grade of like watching Jessel's face, like thinking that the coolest girl in the world thinks she's lame. And like the way her face, you can watch her like stomach drop through her butthole. It was like insane. But then at the dodge ball, Jessel was like, I honestly don't give a fuck about your opinion.

Starting point is 01:20:54 Yeah, I know. And then she was like, oh yeah, that makes sense. She also said that after Jenna was like, I didn't say that. And then she was like, well, I don't need your opinion. And then come to find out it was actually Brynn. She was like, wait, you, I believe Jenna over Brynn, but you know. Pointless.

Starting point is 01:21:07 Brynn is playing chess and the rest of them are like trying to figure out how to log into online chat. We also are sitting here talking about him for, you know, however long this has been. So they are getting something. Bring back Dubai. Just give me courtroom TV with Shannon Bedore.

Starting point is 01:21:22 Did she text me back? What if Bravo starts a new, like a Judge Judy type show, but it's like courtroom. That's what Watch What Happens Live is. Civil suits. Yeah, but it's like actual lawsuits. They should do their own like Bravo lawsuits. Yeah, that or Roni should just rebrand

Starting point is 01:21:38 as an Abe and Mel body comedy. But isn't Bravo. Yes. But Bravo's usually the one included in the lawsuits. Oh, recently. Yeah. But if it's like John Jensen and Shannon Bedore, But isn't Bravo, but Bravo is usually the one included in the lawsuits Yeah, yeah, but if it's like John Jensen and Shannon Bador like a real lawyer or is it and real lawyer? No real lawyers. It's like a real courtroom TV. I would like to play like TV judge someday Mmm, you could do that. I think I could you can be the next judge Judy judge jury and executioner. Yeah Yeah You can be the next judge, Judy. Judge, jury, and executioner. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, that does it for us, this episode of Reality Recap.

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