The Viall Files - E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  The Golden Bachelorette has just concluded and Joan Vassos returns with her fiance Chock to share the love! Meanwhile, we discuss the Mike Tyson v Jake Paul fight, Teddi Mellencamp’s alleged affair, Gypsy Rose announcing her baby’s name, Kenya Moore speaking out, RHOSLC, and RHOC. “She doesn't only hate the elderly." OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Wonderful Pistachios - Thank you Wonderful Pistachios for sponsoring this segment of The Viall Files! Visit https://www.WonderfulPistachios.com to learn more. Quince - Upgrade your wardrobe with pieces made to last with Quince. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Helix Sleep - Helix is offering 25% off sitewide and 2 free dream pillows with any mattress purchase! Go to https://www.HelixSleep.com/viall  Nutrafol - Right now, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off any order! Enjoy free shipping when you subscribe. Go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VIALLGIFT. Caraway - Visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/viall10 to take advantage of this limited-time offer for up to 20% off your next purchase. Vionic - Use new code VIALL at checkout for 15% off your entire order at https://www.vionicshoes.com when you log into your account. 1 time use only. Vionic Shoes. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @joan_vassos @chockchapple @erikapriscilla@scottysdaysoff @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @the_mare_bare @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro03:36 - Household Headlines 10:50 - Vibes Or Knowledge 11:40 - More Headlines 48:14 - Joan And Chock Interview 01:05:37 - Post Interview Chat 01:07:06 - RHOSLC 01:30:59 - RHOC 01:45:46 - Outro

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Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Valve Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick. I got the household here and we got some special guests sitting in the studio kicking off this show. Our friends Erica and Scott. What is your guys' last name? I know you forgot our names. No, no, no, no, no. Cortada. Okay. What is your guys' last name? Cause I know your last name. I thought you forgot our names or something.

No, no, no, no, no, no, Cortada. Okay. Yeah. Close enough. I mean, you got the first letter of mine. I didn't honestly realize that. You haven't taken his last name yet. I haven't done the paperwork. Cause I know yours, Erica.

A lot of paperwork. It's a lot of paperwork. That's middle name. Did you change yours already? Middle name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. I love that.

What was the question? Sorry, what? He thought you were the same person. I said, I know your last name. Oh, no, middle name. I said that. What was the question? Sorry what? He thought you were the same person. I said I know your last name. Oh, no middle name. No middle name. I said over there. Smart.

Going over there too. Smart. Did you legally change your last name? Well I did on Instagram. I feel like that's. That's legal. That's enough. That's legal.

There's a lot of paperwork. Honestly when it comes to like what matters most. No honestly. It's just so much paperwork. I mean it's so much paperwork but I do want to have the same last name as my daughter. That's what I said. So, I don't want to pick her up from school

and people be like, oh my gosh, is this the mistress? Yeah, you're the other. You know? Yikes. She has her business. She also doesn't look like me at all. So, I would really- That kind of sounds fun though.

I think she looks like you. You do? I do. In like what part of her? I think when you- Like her feet or something when you, do you, like can you scrunch your nose a little bit? There it is.

That's River. That's Rave right there. That's it. There she is. Oh, and that's me. Thank you. Do you think she looks anything like you, baby? I don't think she looks anything like me,

but it is nice when people lie and say that she does. I think she looks more like you than she does Nick. Do you think she looks more like me than she does Nick's dad? Ooh. Yeah. Oh yeah, I mean they look. Now that I think about it, yeah. Now that I really think about it. like you than she does Nick. Do you think she looks more like me than she does Nick's dad? Oof. Yeah. Oh yeah, they look... Now that I think about it, yeah.

Now that I really think about it. That one hit. That one hit. Yeah. I think... But she looks like you. I think she looks like you. Yeah, she definitely has.

Sure. Yeah. She will. She will. Eventually, hopefully, at some point in her life. She still has a lot to grow. She has a lot of growing to do. Evolving. She'll change. Yeah. grow. She has a lot of growing to do.

Evolve. She'll change, yeah. I think it'll be one or two more years. Wait, and there's hair dye out there. Right. And contact lenses. Right. Oh, I forgot the eyes.

Yeah. The blue eye's in the blonde hair. Nick indicated. It's not. I love her the way she is. She has white, brown hair. You think? Not blonde.

He's like, as soon as like. It's giving, Nick. As soon as it gets wet, it gets dark. It's giving, yeah. It's like. Close it out. It's like, as soon as you put a wig on her, it's dark, as soon as it gets wet, it gets dark. It's getting it, yeah. Close it out. It's like, as soon as you put a wig on her, it's dark, right? The brown, yeah.

It's all right, well, Scott and Erica did come over last night after four other people canceled on them. They showed up at our front door, thank God, and we ordered so much Chinese food and played dominoes. That was after I had Cocoa Pebbles too. Yeah, Nick was gonna just have Cocoa Pebbles for supper. He's like, I guess Chinese is it. He was like, I got the family style box for myself.

Yeah, he's like, I got it just because there was a lot of people coming over. No, I got it because we had company, and then I was like, I also ordered a bunch of Chinese food. It was a lot of Chinese food. And then since I have to have Cocoa Pebbles for dessert, I had to have another bowl of Cocoa Pebbles after the Chinese food. Just to balance everything out. I was very full cocoa bubbles for dessert, I had to have another full of cocoa bubbles after the Chinese food.

Just to balance everything out. I was very full. Sweet, salty, sweet. It was very, I'm still full. That was fun. I won Domino's. It was fun. Oh, you did too, right?

I didn't win. Well, you won a game. Yeah. You won a round of Domino's. I won. Well, actually, you might've actually won the whole thing. I should've tallied up all the numbers. No, I know. Well, no, you might have actually won the whole thing. I should have tallied up all the numbers. No, I know.

You had a 48 in there. Yeah, yeah. Let's not talk about it. I definitely won. Did you guys watch the Tyson fight? We did. We did. With our eyes almost shut at one point.

I was really excited. I was one of the silly, naive people who thought Tyson was gonna knock. Jake Paul really, he has played me for a fool so many times. I have, I think every time, even before it was free on Netflix for us to stream, well for the people who were able to watch, I've paid every time to watch Jake Paul get his face mashed.

And he really hasn't ever really got his face smashed. And I'm like, this is the time. This is gonna happen. And it's like these old MMA fighters who seem like only five or ten years past their prime. They're like, no, weight cut. They're just like, ugh. He wins every time. And then Mike Tyson looked old.

His legs were stiff. I was like, it looks like it hurts. It did. It looked like River when I was trying to get her to walk to you last night. Yeah, exactly. She was like, I don't know how to do this. We were like, Mike, you're just one foot in front of the other. One foot in front of the other. Yeah, that was sad.

And then there's like, allegedly, this is probably fake. You never know the internet, but like the script that came out that was like round one, this is what's going to happen. I didn't see that. Doesn't, that happens every time. Does it? Well, allegedly. The accusations happen.

Allegedly. But like he definitely was paid also allegedly to lose the fight, no? So what I heard, I think as of this morning was- Allegedly. Allegedly, of course, of course. Just wanna preface, it's alleged. We don't spread rumors about anyone except Jake Paul.

All assumptions. But it was like Mike Tyson couldn't throw upper cuts the entire fight. And that's like his main power move. And then also, if it didn't get to at least round seven, I think Mike would make like one or two million compared to 20 if it went to all the rounds. That's just what the allegations are.

So that makes more sense than the script, just like you have to get the fight over with. Yeah, that's true. You have to go all rounds and you'll get all your money. And I'm like, oh, because that kind of handcuffs. That, if that's the case, that makes me really hate Jake Paul

because we all knew that Mike Tyson being 57, 58 years old, like if he was gonna win. Exactly. Even when Mike Tyson was in his prime, he was the guy who was like, you have to win in the first five seconds because he's a pit bull, and then he kinda gets a little tired after. Or loses it, just starts biting people.

So if that's the case, like you're not gonna get paid all your money unless you get tired. Exactly, and he's like, why wouldn't I just, you know, if you win around the ring, you make 20. I also just think maybe- It was like two minute rounds too, right? Yeah, it was real quick.

Did you see him trip walking into the ring? No, oh no, we missed the entrance. We didn't actually, I think now and then we're the only people who do not have internet connection. Were you watching on Netflix? Yeah, we didn't have any issues. It was perfect. Oh yeah, I heard there was a lot of like screaming.

A lot of people had a lot of buffering problems. Netflix is, I think the tally is now two for four when it comes to live events. They're not very good. Oh, because they did a live reunion. Well, the first one was the Love is Blind one. That was just an epic disaster. Disaster.

Both with the buffering and the connection and then like Nick and Vanessa Lashane. Yeah, the whole. Like they. They were buffering too. connection and then like Nick and Vanessa Lashane. Yeah, the whole. Like they. They were buffering too. They were, yeah. Yeah. They were.

I didn't it also start like four hours late or something? They were like, we can't figure out how to work on this. That was the internet. That was the connection problem and then Nick and Vanessa just kept buffering. Right, right, right. Yeah, the live part once they got going. They did do the Tom Brady roast which didn't fair.

That was fine. That seemingly went off without a hitch. Then they had the Chris Rock was live. His stand-up comedy was live. That seemingly went off okay. But then we had Jake Paul and Mike Tyson not work. And apparently they have another one. When's the next one coming up?

Beyonce they're gonna do. Shut up. For like a Christmas. Christmas, exactly. Oh, that's sick. Halftime of a football game. I feel like a lot of people are gonna be watching that. Everyone's gonna be watching that.

Everybody. So. They better get their stuff together now. I don't know if they're, they're going up against the Beehive and saying. I was gonna say, can you imagine if it lags at the halftime? Oh my. Yikes.

That means, we do know how the songs go. That's true. I mean, yeah, but it's all the, it's the performance. You gotta watch it. It's the outfit, it's the performance. If we wanted to just listen to it, we'd probably just put her on like the Alexa, you know? Yeah.

It's true. Check that. It's true. Yeah, partition. You know what I'm saying? Wow. So do we think it was real? It definitely wasn't rigged.

I mean, he looked exhausted. I knew he was gonna take it easy on him, like from the jump. I called it before the thing. I was like, it's gonna go every round and no one's gonna get knocked out. It seemed like Mike really didn't go Mike Tyson. Yeah.

Even a little bit. Not even his legs. What did you think of the biting fixation? Well, allegedly, I saw some TikToks saying that that was kind of like a warning. Apparently they had just like a pact that when he would bite his glove, that that would indicate, you know, slow down to Jake Paul. Another, he was allegation. Allegedly.

Allegedly. That he was like, I'm tired. I am on TikTok for a long time. So yeah, that was a TikTok. You mean civilization. Yes. That's crazy. I'm done watching Jake Paul fight not boxers in their prime.

Yeah. Like he fought Tommy Fury and he lost. I watched that and he lost. Yeah, exactly. So the only actual boxer he's fought and he's lost to. He's lost. Like his age, his size. Yeah, so the only actual boxer he's fought in, he's lost. He's lost. Like his age, his size, you know. Everyone else is a UFC fighter.

Someone who's actually boxing, not someone who's decided to box for just to fight J-Paul. I agree. The commentators were the worst. So basically he's a loser. You thought so? J-Paul's all in one. That's all I'm hearing.

He's all in one. And he That's all I'm hearing. He's all in one. And he takes advantage of of people that are not in his. My favorite thing over the weekend was like the new announcements of Jake Paul's next fight. Oh, you know, it was. Wait, also I didn't know he had like a docu-series too, leading up to the fight.

Did you? I did watch that. Well, anytime Mike Tyson was on, it was really good. Then it would cut to like Jake Paul and it was like an SNL skit. It also is. I have to watch it though. Yeah, the Mike Tyson part was interesting because it was like him going back to Brooklyn

and him like. So cool. Yeah, training and playing like old clips of him and then Jake, it was like him. Yeah, it was Mike Tyson talking about living up. Like a local gym playing a game boy. Mike Tyson talking about living in extreme poverty and literally surviving in, I don't think I'm exaggerating

when I say war-like conditions, like incredibly extraordinary extreme poverty where he was like living in filth around people taking drugs. Cut to Jake Paul. His mansion when he's 13. Trying to exercise the demons of the Disney trolls as he is trying to go from Disney creator to boxer

in the mental struggle that is that. Yeah, it's like Mike Tyson's getting shot at and then like YouTube comments. Like in and out of jail before 13. This Vibes or Stats segment of the Vox House is brought to you by Wonderful Pistachios. Well, we went one on one again this week. The good old Vibes team won with the Saints.

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Yeah, known her for years. She released paternity tests to shut everyone up, particularly you two. I hear you've been talking a lot. And she also announced- I'm sorry about that, Gypsy. She also re-announced her baby's name because she did say it on this podcast.

Well, she- Why are you mad at Gypsy for taking away the thunder from us? Say it with your chest, Natalie. No, I'm not mad. It's just like people are like, oh, and she finally announced and it was like, well, on here, she was're gonna we're thinking of Aurora. Yes exactly the opposite of her thinking She was thinking of Aurora and now she's like we're gonna name her baby Aurora. How do you spell that?

Nick's struggling. Aurora. He was like Aurora. R-O-A-R like a tiger. Aurora? Aurora? Aurora. I do hope Ken can speak. Like a tiger. Aurora, aurora, aurora, aurora. Aurora, aurora, aurora. I do hope Ken can speak. I'm sorry? That was a tongue twisting.

Nick cannot. Oh, okay. It was kind of a. So did she give birth yet? Does it look like it's wearing tights kind of? It's kind of cute. He's giving like denser. Okay, Peter Pan.

Peter Pan. But like fashion, Peter Pan. I'm sorry, should I? No, no, no, I love it. Peter Pan on Broadway. The socks are so high and they're so, there's not one crease in that sock. I have a gig after.

Nick has a gig after this. He's booked him busy. He's booked him busy. I am, yeah, I get to, I hope I get to meet Stephen Baldwin. I think he's gonna be there. Oh, okay. Oh, cause that's today.

That is today. That is today. Nick is, yeah, you can say it. Are they released to impress? So you did introduce the special forces? Yes, they did. They did. They did release it.

They did. Stephen Baldwin is on the new season of, it's pretty sick. You guys, if you're sleeping on special forces, you guys need to watch it. Special forces is a great show. Special forces is a great show. No bias that our friend was in it.

Did you watch it when Nick was on it? Yeah. Oh, okay. No, season three, episode one. Pride and everything. It's really good. It's kind of better than the housewives. Oh, did you watch it in advance? was in it. Did you watch it when it was on it? No, season three, episode one. It's really good. It's kind of better than the housewives. Did you watch it in advance?

I watched it. Oh, sick. Okay, so ruin everything. What happened? No, no, all I wanna say is you need to watch it. It's really good. Stephen Baldwin's very entertaining. Denise Richards.

She's on it. Also, yes. I'm watching. Yeah, that's a good cast. It's a good cast. You have Brody Jenner. Kristi Carlson-Romano is on. You have Brody Jenner. Kristy Carlson Romano is on it. Like Brody Jenner and Stephen Baldwin are both like,

are we Kardashians? Are we not Kardashians? How close? Are we related? Trying to figure it out. They're like, they're so, they're Kardashian adjacent. Yeah, that is funny. They're like connected, but also exiled.

It's also so funny to watch someone explain why normal people should know who they are. You know, it's like, if someone comes up to you and like, why should I know you? Are you famous? Like you have to then explain. That's always one of the connections. Yeah, and what would you say?

You're like, well, the sister of the cousin and then the brother of that, I'm related to that side of the. Do you feel like you would say like, you're TikTok famous? Yeah, I mean, it's the easiest thing. It's just easy. It's pathetic, but it is the easiest way to describe it. Honestly, do you then hand out your handle to get them to buy?

I'd be like, yeah, but I'm working on it. Like I definitely I don't want to see online forever. I definitely want to act like that's the end goal. But you know, I started and I'm super grateful. Super grateful. I am. Yeah, it's a struggle. She's the end goal. But you know, I started and I'm super grateful. Super grateful for where I am. Yeah, it's a struggle. You really have it down.

She's done this before. I've had to explain myself plenty of times. Trista Sutter also is the Bachelorette. Yes, Trista, thank you. She's the original Bachelorette. Allie Fedotowsky's also on it for all the Bachelor fans. Who else is on the cast since we're just naming the cast? Jordan Weber, Golden Tate.

Golden Tate football player. Golden Tate football player. Chrissy Carlson Romano. Kyla Pratt. Kayla Nicole. Kyla Pratt. Kyla Pratt was, what show was she in? Proud Family, one-on-one.

You're right, I did recognize her. Kayla Nicole is Travis Kelsey's ex-girlfriend, right? Yeah. Whoa. Cam Newton. Cam Newton, another good right? Yeah. Whoa. Cam Newton. Cam Newton, another good football player. Marion Jones. Marion Jones.

Marion Jones. You said Brody Jenner. Carey Hart. Bicyclist. Wait, motorbike guy. Oh sick. Landon Donovan. Soccer player.

Alana Blanchard. And then Stephen Baldwin. Star. Nathan Adrian. They got some athletes. Did you watch all the episodes? Movie actor as he describes himself. Did you watch all the episodes? Movie actors, he describes himself. Did you watch all the episodes? I just watched the first one.

Oh, okay, I see. And the first episode is giving like better than Real Housewives of New York. Whoa. Well, that's not much to compare it to. Well, it's just like the whole episode. I watched it twice, no, three times. I've watched it three times.

And thoroughly entertained by Stephen Baldwin. Really? Whoa. Oh, I'm hyped. Did you see Francesca Fargo and Jesse Sullivan had their twins? I did. And the names. Yes.

Cute. I like Lockett. Me too. What are their names? Lockett and Key. I was just guessing. I don't even really know them. Lockett and Poetry.

Okay. I remember they were like, like hinting around names that they loved and Afternoon was on that list. Afternoon. It is an upgrade. They were like, I don't know if names that they loved, and Afternoon was on that list. Afternoon. They were like, I don't know if I want to share this, because we might use it. So I don't know if I want to let you guys, but it's Afternoon. And all the comments were like, you know what? You can keep it. We aren't interested.

So... I never know if those are real or not, like, if they're being serious. Locket? Well, Afternoon is insane, but I think Locket is... Poetry and Locket are sweet, yeah is insane, but I think Locket is... Poetry and Locket are sweet, yeah. I don't know about, well, you know, her babies. I always just try to think of like, like nicknames.

Like what are they gonna... Lock and Po. Lock. Lock and Po. Lock is kind of cool. Lock is kind of cool. I kind of do like Lock. Po maybe.

Po maybe. Po maybe. Po maybe. Po maybe. Po maybe. Po maybe. Po maybe. Po maybe. Po maybe. Po maybe. them, you're fighting. Poetry!

It's like slam poetry. You're going through a breakup and you're like, I wrote you a poem. You're like, oh, just leave me alone. I will say watching her, like it's just making me want another baby. I wanna like be back in the newborn blaze. I did see you post about that recently.

Whoa, I'm with my close friends. Well, it's out now. Now it's everybody. You want another baby? How many babies do you want? You guys want. I think I want a lot. I think we talked about this five, right?

Whoa, my God. I think four, and then you were like, we'll push a fifth out if we need it. The fifth comes later. Yeah, I think, you know, we'll definitely see how the second goes around, second round, but I definitely want a lot, I think. And I'd love to adopt some, I'd love to foster some.

Sounds like a herd. Yeah, foster, couple. Yeah. Throw three or four of those in there. We'll open a farm and just. I do want to open a daycare, so. Yes. Aw.

Later down the road. We'll see. Okay. We'll see, but I am, like, every time someone has a baby, I'm like, Aw, that's sweet. Later down the road. We'll see. Okay. We'll see. But I am, like, every time someone has a baby, I'm like, I could do that again. Wow. Charlie XCX or Jelly Roll?

I mean, I don't really know Jelly Roll. The transition was insane, by the way. I didn't even transition. Transition. Jelly Roll or Charlie XCX. I've never heard any of his music. I know he's talented. I know everyone really. And I like his vibe, too. any of his music. I know he's talented. I know everyone really.

And I like his vibe too. I like his vibe. I've never heard it, but I went to a Charlie XCX concert. Oh. Was it bright or sweat? It was sweat. And Troy is also fantastic. I felt like, well, like an old fart there.

Everyone was jumping. You don't wanna jump. Bad knees, bad knees. Well, like an old fart there. Oh. Everyone was jumping. You don't want to jump. I'm tired. Bad knees, bad knees. I think I would have even jumped at a Charlie. No, no, but I mean it was fantastic. I don't care. That's not.

That's not Charlie. Well, she is part of it. I can't apologize. Oh, okay. She sings that song. Yeah, okay. I'm sorry. Wait, what?

Wait, could you sing it again? Just go ahead and apologize real quick. Yeah, thank you. Wait. Just a real quick apology. Wait, no. Wait, could you sing it again? Just go ahead and apologize real quick. Yeah, thank you. Just a real quick apology. Wait, no. No, I'm not. I'm just kidding. What song are we singing? I don't care.

I love it. You're lying. She did like a remix of that? I think she's part of it. She's part of the OG song. She's OG song? Wait, didn't that song come out in like, I don't know, 2003?

If she is, that makes so much sense. I love it, it's Icona featuring Charli XCX. Wow. Sarah, sorry. Nick, you taught me something. You just put me on. I'm not hearing sorry from you guys. We are.

Wow, I am sorry. No, we are. Oh, the more you know. Apparently, he asked that question because Jelly Roll reveals in a new interview with Pat McAfee that Charli XCX and her team allegedly These are some- These are some- reveals in a new interview with Pat McAfee that Charlie XCX and her team allegedly manufactured 40,000 album sales

in an attempt to secure the number one spot on Billboard 200. Okay, that makes sense. He called her a cheater. Luminate later dismissed the sales awarding Jelly Roll the number one spot on Billboard 200 with 161,000. So he exposed it himself, Jelly Roll said it.

He was like, yeah, they're checking it in. Cheating? Wow. Yeah. Shut up. He's like, so she faked that and it's actually supposed to be me. Man. I'm actually shocked by that.

Right? Yeah, I feel like she had those numbers. Like that she had to cheat. Yeah, exactly. But also, I know that he has a very like big dedicated fan base. Yeah. Like people love him. And a lot of his songs have been like really popping off

lately, but. Haven't heard a single one. I was gonna say, I don't know. What? They did ask me to go to his concert like three times. I was like, I'm good. Three times? Well, I like to give other people the spot.

Like if they actually know the music. I do, yeah. Oh, you're so kind. I did that once with Taylor Swift actually. Or was it Beyonce? One of the two. I was like, you know what? I think it was Taylor Swift.

I was like, give it to someone that like, you know. Tread lightly. That cares. Tread lightly. Okay. We got that, can we? No allegations, it's just allegedly. Yeah, allegedly Erica hates Taylor Swift.

No, no, allegedly. Allegedly. That's online, that's a rumor. That's a rumor, let's move on guys. We can't burn up. It's all music based. Did you see Brianna Chicken Fry La Paglia might be dating someone new? I don't think she's dating someone new.

I think she's having fun. She just posted a TikTok of like her, it's like New York City sunsets. And she's like cozying up with a new man who's got like his arms around her. They're giggling, they're laughing. And someone was like, that was fast. And she respondediggling. They're laughing and someone was like that was fast and she responded like well I was being cheated on the whole time. So is it really fast?

Does she have a history like all good for her? She does have a history though. She says it that she like jumps from Like very fast. She's a relationship girl Yeah, I believe the line was like she like basically gets into the new relationship while in that. Oh that's that was allegedly I think she said it. I'm not if I'm making that wrong. Oh, it was a podcast with Theo Von. With Theo Von. Yeah. And she was like overlap. She's like it overlaps my relationships overlap. Yeah, I like her too. Yeah, she's another cool real girl. And so that was Theo Von. He's like like, that is cheating. He's like, I call it overlapping. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly the clip I heard.

I'm glad I didn't make that up. That's a real clip that exists on the internet. That is a real clip that exists. But she's super cool. This whole situation is. She is lovely. Yeah, this whole situation is. I can't believe that man thinks he is who he is,

because that is crazy. Hasn't said a word, just as posting like. Yeah. How tall is he? Not tall enough. Do we know? That is crazy. I mean, hasn't said a word, just as posting like. Yeah, I don't. How tall is he? Not tall enough. I think five three. Do we know? Five three.

I need a check, just because in my mind. Whatever it says on the internet, take two inches. I was gonna say. What does it say on the internet? Take two inches. How tall are you? I'm five eight. No shoes.

Rude. With shoes. Scott, let's talk about. Five nine. But if I was famous, I'm five 10 on the internet. That's what I'm saying. Scott is a secure. Yeah, I have no problem saying my. Sexy man. But if I was famous, I'm 5'10 on the internet. That's what I'm saying. Scott is a secure... Yeah, I have no problem saying my...

But if I was famous on the internet, that's 5'10. Easy. 5'10, yeah, you would too. It's like basketball players, you know? Well, Zach Bryan is 5'10 according to the... Okay, so we're going to go 5'8. Okay, no way. Okay, I respect that.

He's 5'7 for sure. That's the only respect I have for him. Yeah, you added three. I'm gonna add it up a little bit. Okay, no, I was just curious. You're taller than Zach Bryan. I'm gonna add it up a little bit. Okay. No, that was, I was just curious. You're taller than Zach Bryan. I believe so, with my whole heart.

Give me some cowboy boots next to Zach Bryan on instant cowboy boots. That's true. That boy's rolling in boots. Bet you on my bottoms. That is true. Does he wear boots? He doesn't consider himself country, so I don't know. He wears boots.

He's like, finds it very offensive to call him country. Wow. Okay, well he's whack and he's corny and I'm team three. He gives short energy. He does. Wow. Okay, well he's whack and he's corny and I'm team three. He gives short energy. He does. Yeah. He does. She did recently say that she was like

kind of throwing out the idea of maybe posting a video that she has of him abusing her. Whoa. Oh yeah, throwing stuff at her. Why is she teasing it like promo? Why is she hyping it like a Jake Paul fight? It was because she was upset because he kept posting about the cat that he took.

He like took the animals and whatnot. And she was like, post my cat one more time and I'll post you side swiping something at my face. Okay, I like that. Yeah, it is crazy because he has never posted. Well, if you got it, show it. But if not, just don't weaponize it. That's her cat though.

What is he posting about the cat? So he has never posted this cat ever once before. Not once has he posted this cat. He has a cat and a dog, the brown Labrador that he posts all the time. And I guess they got this cat together, whatever. Well, Brianna rescued the cat from the streets. So it's like her emotional connection with the cat. And he has the cat, and now all of a sudden,

all of a sudden, this cat is all over social media. They always do that. The second that she's like, I miss my cat. It's like an abuse thing. Like, what a... They're like, just to let you know, it still happened. Yeah, that's... That poor cat.

Oh. Cause you know, I know it's like, get the fuck away from me. Yeah. That cat has seen some shit. I was not around, yeah, that cat been seeing some shit. Oh no, I hope she gets her cat. Yeah.

Yeah, I hope so too. Yeah, free that cat, Zach. Get that cat back. That's crazy. And free the video, Put him on blast. You know what I'm saying? Honestly, if that's gonna help her, I just worry for her.

Put it all out there. I also feel like so many people are still doubting her and she's at a point where she's like, I don't give a fuck anymore. Here is everything. Like, yeah. All that shit makes so much sense, too. It does.

I don't think anyone heard it was like- Shouldn't she just put it all out there instead of just teasing it? Like she is, right? She kind of is, yeah. I don't think anyone heard it was like. Shouldn't she just put it all out there? Instead of just teasing it? Like she is, right? She kind of is, yeah. Yeah, kind of, but not. Just not videos, which you gotta get them out.

Yikes, well a lot of people do have her back, regardless. Which is so cool. I think, yeah. It was good to see the support. Like Dave and what's that guy's name? Honestly, really all you really need is Dave Parson. Yeah. When Dave Parson has got your back, you're good.

As soon as he gets that Ace of Spades bottle engraved, it's over. Yeah. It's over. Once he got that name on that bottle, it's over. He does that for all of his enemies or something? Anyone who let you know. Scott was telling me about that.

Yeah, enemies basically. It's mostly towards journalists who go against Barstool or something like that, like Deadspin and a couple other. So when they get fired or the company gets bought out or it goes in bankruptcy, he'll like pop the bottle. But there's a couple people, like personal connections he does it with.

So did y'all watch Love is Blind this season? No. I didn't. I feel like you typically do. I typically do. And I heard that this season was entertaining. Yeah, it was. Yeah.

I think I started, I don't know why I'm yelling. I think I started, I think't know why I'm yelling, I think I started, I think I watched the first like two episodes, but the first half of the show, like the dating thing is so boring and dragged out sometimes, so I think that's why I gave up. I should have kept going. I heard it's good. Any tea, any drama? You saw Brittany if you watched the beginning, she was with the art dealer. She's the sugar baby. Yes, yeah. The statistician.

What's going on? She was at a Mod Sun show, and he was like, is that the Love is Blind girls? And called him out, and then they were seen leaving a restaurant cozy, talking to cameras. She's around his arms, the paparazzi. Over the weekend it was like, whoa, got a new couple alert. Like talking to cameras. She's around his arms, the paparazzi. Yeah, over the weekend it was like, Whoa.

Got a new celebrity, like a new couple alert. Wait, and were they not, did they not end up coupling together? So, Madson, he's a artist. Are you talking about the artist yet? Oh, I'm sorry. Well, she came out single. She came out single, okay, that's what I mean. Okay.

But did she? But did she? So, basically, it's coming out that she's had a boyfriend for, I think it's four years, and she went on Love is Blind to get brand deals and publicize herself. As they do. And then he dropped her off at the airport for an LA trip to hang out with alumni,

and now she's photographed with lots of them. So yeah, sources tell TMZ that Brittany has a whole BF on the East Coast. A hunk named Rocky Hawkins. Whoa. What a name. What a name. What a cool name. Great name.

Can we have a, is there a picture of a hockey? Rocky? Rocky Hawkins? Sounds like a high school, like a quarterback in a movie with the lettering jacket on. Wait, that's always so interesting to me when couples decide that it's like, okay. Well, they're like.

This kind of tracks though, but she seems to have a roster. There's Rocky. She's a fuck boy. That is have a roster. There's rock this she's a fuck She's a fuck boy. That's rocky No, is rocky putting your own blast rocky You know the sources are saying that Rockies an absolute shock and he is and he's sharing that feeling with their entire friend group Well, he dropped her off at the airport for this trip, and then she was photographed So I'd be shocked to. I would be insane.

And then who's the guy? She's... Mod's son. Can we get a picture of him? He's a musician. Well, he definitely doesn't look like Rodney. He was dating our Levine before. Yeah, yeah, okay.

Okay. I don't feel like that works for men. Like it seems to work for women. Oh. Yep. Yeah, that rock style question. What are those other with the purple shirt? Oh no, yeah, the purple, that's scary. Yeah. Yeah, that rock file. What are those other, with the purple shirt? Oh no, yeah, the purple, that's scary.

Yikes. Yeah. Yuck. That's him. He's kinda grungy. I just feel like, Scottie, would you agree that, like, if you were, you know, you're married now and all in love and shit, but like, in your single days.

Yeah, yeah. If you found out a lady. Yeah, I remember him. If you found out a lady that you were into dated some, like, celebrity, would you go, ooh, or would you be like, okay. I don't think it would intrigue me. I think it would kind of like. I don't feel like it does anything.

It would kind of push me away a little bit, just because I'm like, it's such a big personality, people associate them, and then maybe I'm just this normal guy. We don't get hyped up by your exes. Yeah. I feel like y'all sometimes get a little excited about their previous roster.

Who's previous? Who? The eyes changed. The ladies, yeah, sorry. You think we what? I think, yeah, it's like sometimes you get a little impressed about who their exes might be. Definitely not.

I mean, not impressed, but we investigate for sure. We're definitely FBI agents in Nancy Drew. 100%. But if you found out that I dated someone less attractive. Are you saying Brittany might be doing this? They all are, what? All right, you know what? I'm just.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean. You're like, what, what do women do? What do we do? What do we do? No, I'm just, I think I just don't think. Scott, you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, Scott. No, no, no, 100%, I get you.

I think maybe on that side, I don't know if it's like Impressive. I think I just all I'm saying you will investigate who we date and you will have a strong opinion about it Oh, I mean we I could agree. Not sure. Yes. I could agree with that Yeah, we don't have it a an opinion whatsoever about your hands is really okay. Is that true? Is that true? Well unless they unless they show up in our new relationship. Yeah, I mean. If Ava's like, who was that about? No, not all thinking, because I'm like, no, not at all. OK.

OK. Unless it's like, who is John and why does he keep calling you? Exactly. Yeah, no, of course. OK. I mean, I don't think impressed is the right word. That's what it is. But I do care. Yeah, you care.

But I care, yeah, no, 100%. I care. I worded it wrong. Yeah, yeah. I can't speak. Okay. The other thing about the Brittany situation is she's also allegedly part of like the Perfect Match cast.

So she went on two shows and might be possibly having this boyfriend. It's not a boyfriend. Rocky is there. Yeah. They have an understanding. I don't a boyfriend, Rocky is there. Yeah. They have an understanding. I don't know if they're on the same page.

I don't know if the understanding is consistent. She's the fuckboy in the relationship. She's the fuckboy. She's like, this was the plan. She's a fuckboy. No, it wasn't. She was the one that they didn't even make it to the, like they didn't even leave the resort or something, right?

They got engaged and then the creators of the show were like, you guys are full of shit. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the creators. Okay. Wow. So I know who she is, yes. Yep.

Yikes. No, she's the fuck boy. So is she like the big, she's the big topic this season? Not really. No. They won't go away, honestly. Yeah. Yeah, Leo and her, they seem lovely and nice, but they won't go away.

They're still in the news for news that they seem to be creating, being seen at a concert with a kind of famous person. Oh, they're loving it. And he's making, you know, he's, you know. They're just milking it. They're making their own news. So, you know, good for them, we're talking about it.

Yeah, of course. It's done, right? That season is over. Long it. Yeah, of course. It's done, right? That season is over. Long gone. Nick, do you think Teddy Mellencamp is milking her situation? She is handling it not in a way I would. Yeah.

Well, so for context for the people listening, so Teddy's from Beverly Hills, she was a housewife. Daughter of John Mellencamp. Yes. Cougar. Oh. The cougar. No idea. The cougar. So a source told Daily Mail that the real housewives of Beverly Hills alum and her German-born horse trainer, Simon, The Allen Camber. Cougar. The Cougar. No idea. The Cougar.

So a source told Daily Mail that the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills alum and her German-born horse trainer Simon had a months-long love affair behind their spouse's back. I'm actually really confused with the actual horse. The horse trainer. The horse trainer. And for details, for context of this. No one got it. The horse trainer.

The horse. Got it. For context, so the horse trainer, the horse. Got it, yeah. For context, so. She wasn't fucking the horse. The horse trainer missed, imagine. No, we got it. The horse trainer missed his wife giving birth because he was in Florida cheating on her

with Teddy the housewife. Can we stop saying alleged at this point? Well, he definitely missed the birth. If that's a rumor, EA day. The reason, I mean, we could still say alleged because Teddy is also on her side saying there's two sides of every story. Okay.

I mean, she also posted a selfie 20 hours. Well, we know when the kid was born and where he was. Yeah. Not fair. There's Instagram posts of him August 9th. Yeah, the kid does have a birthday. Yeah, you can't make that up. There was a horse event that happened in the summer

and the horse community, I guess, is small and there was a confrontation that everybody saw, but it's just now coming out that there was an affair. Whoa. And what has Teddy said? She's posting quotes. Yeah. Well, two weeks ago, she posted the divorce post saying we're separating.

I want to get ahead of it. So specific words and I'm prioritizing my children. 20 hours after like this news came out, she posted a selfie saying, when you're being pushed into the shadows, always find your light. Comments were disabled. And then she went on her podcast and then said, essentially there's two sides to every story. I'm going to prioritize my children.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a good way to go. And then there was a paparazzi kind of like staged photo of like Edwin, her husband comforting her on like the side of the street. Can we see the photo? It's giving staged. But also it is her husband,

or I guess soon to be ex-husband who she was cheating on. So it's like, why would he be comforting her? Yeah, they seem to be like fine. Who knows? I mean, these are messy situations that, you know. But it's more about the stage. I think we can, let's see. The horse trainer's a unique pick.

I always, I kinda get the personal trainer thing. You guys are like, you know, but. Yeah. You see a guy like training a horse and you're like, that's the one. It's just a little. I guess it's just the time you spend with him. I don't know.

The tennis instructor, the personal trainer. It's always a tennis instructor. If your spouse is hanging out with a male trainer allegedly. Oh and Cassie Yeah, oh Cassie. Oh, diddy they had a kid her personal trainer. It was her personal trainer I'd love that relationship by the way those personal trainers. Yeah, I think it's just a it's a closer Relation where if like you are looking to cheat. It's like, you know, they're like where if you are looking to cheat, it's like, you know. The horse trainer in the state. They're like, well, I'm here. I might as well stick it in.

He's brushing a horse and it smells like horse shit. It's like a little, like, what are we doing? Yeah, the horse shit is not turning anyone on. I'm sorry, I'm a little confused. That is wild. We're searching, I can't find it. Maybe she'd swipe it off. Yeah, it might be.

It was everywhere before. Ooh, Teddy doesn't have that much power. Interesting. You don't think, like, what if her dad got in the... The cougar? Yeah, I don't know. Can't find it. Damn, she would've scrubbed it. There was a horse event that happened this weekend though in Las Vegas.

And the ex-wife was there and Teddy was there. The ex-wife still had her ring on. And Teddy went and just... And in the ex-wife still had her ring on. And Teddy went and just. And in the picture she's kind of like looking to the side. Which I mean, she could have been looking at anything but also. People are saying she was looking at her.

Yeah, or they were in the same room after all this news broke. Well, I mean, it definitely gives, Teddy doesn't care about this story going away, right? I mean, if you're being alleged to have an affair with your trainer who allegedly also just had a baby recently and there's a horse event, I mean, I know she's like, I gotta be at the event, I guess.

My horse is showing. Gotta be there. Gotta, can't watch it on TV. Can skip it. But like, right? Oh, there it is. You show up to a public event, you know, obviously you're gonna be seen.

She's just standing on the side of the road with her luggage. Well, and he's like kissing her and holding her. He's kissing the side of her head. Whoa. Oh, so that's her like moving out the road? Yeah, this is like, they're trying to. She's got one bag? Just one bag.

That's it, yeah, she's not gonna be gone for long. Hey, there. I'll be back. Well, she's going to Vegas, maybe. Oh, she's going on a horse show. She's just got a saddle in there, just one big. Just one big saddle and some wounds. One big saddle and some stirrups.

And she's, you know. Do you think there's any way they had like an open relationship gone bad? I mean, I know there are like allegations and rumors spreading of like Edwin possibly also having an affair. How long were they married for? A while. They have like three children. I mean, listen, but that's the thing. It's just like pop off if you guys have an understanding

that got a little out of control, but like other kids are involved. Yeah, the missing, your kids, son, daughters. The birth. The birth. Yeah, that's wild. Oh, you can't come back from that. You can't. That's a choice. It's like you chose,

whether they have an open relationship or not, it's like you chose that over your child. Yeah, and even if it's like, no, I gotta go train this horse, it's like, no, your kid's being born. She definitely kind of sat this one out. No cheating or anything. Who, Teddy?

Yeah. Do we know what the event was? I do. You do? It was the Las Vegas National Horse Show. Did we know what the event was? I do. You do? It was the Las Vegas National Horse Show. Did we know if Teddy's horse, does Teddy have a horse? Why was Teddy there? She has a horse, but I have no clue what.

Did she win? Do they place? Why was she there? Why did she have to be there? Is the horse that good? The day that all of this came out, the day after she posted a video saying, well, at least my horse won third place or something.

So she was still following it the day after. That sounds like lost. She said at least my horse won third place. At least. She's indirectly referencing. Yeah, that's what she was saying. I gotta say, your horse taking third, what did it make me feel?

Yeah. I mean, I need that horse to top. Out of how many though? Out of, you know, like five or was there hundreds? Right, right. Because then that would matter. That definitely helps with the home wrecking accusations. Yeah, she should've got a different horse trainer to be on.

She should've took this one out, like the rest of them. Kenya Moore, also switching gears, has addressed the revenge porn. Oh, that one. So, well, I mean, okay, I'll say what she said. Did you hear about this? I don't think so. Who's Kenya? Kenya Moore, she was...

Oh, do I know her? We're Housewives of Atlanta. I know. She was Miss USA, she won it in the past. She's like... Miss USA? She was like a classy housewife. And then this past season that they were filming...

Until... Something came out. Well, we knew at the time this past season she was removed from the cast halfway through because there was revenge porn of another housewife at her event. Whoa. So when that happened, we just know that like she wasn't on the cast anymore and there were like allegations of all the nudes of another person who were being distributed at her. At an event on posters at her event. Yeah, posters, posters and hear her listen, listen to her event. Oh, posters. Posters. And hear her, listen to her excuse. So she came out and I did the TLDR for us.

She was not fired, she's still under contract and she still receives checks from Bravo. She was never under suspicion of revenge porn from the network. And then what she said happened was, things took a dark turn towards her. The young lady, who's the other housewife, took off her mic, screamed at her,

and Kenya felt threatened. Oh, Kenya is a victim. She told producers she was concerned. She then didn't think they were doing enough. So she took matters into her own hands to find a receipt. And she said, like housewives are known for the receipt. Though she did her research and she said with a quick, like Google search, she found these videos that are allegedly her, the other housewife.

And at her salon, she pulled up the receipts, she assumed it would be blurred out by the network, and she was not only protecting herself, but her child. And then she basically said, hindsight is always 50-50, if I could do it all over a day. I don't think that's a saying. Which is hilarious. Which is a hindsight of 20-20.

Which is hilarious about 50-50, because in hindsight, honestly, it depends on whose story you wanna listen to. It is what it is. Like, hindsight's 50-50. Like, you want to listen to my bullshit story or the truth? Like, 50-50. It could really go either way. Does the woman whose nudes it was, does she have children?

I think so, yeah. So it's like she's protecting her own children, but not other people's children. Is there also a legal case against her? I feel like that's a... Well, so she was saying there there was not, no actual like investigation against me, it's just people. No, no, she said that Bravo wasn't looking into her for revenge porn, and then she basically was like, even though I distributed it to people in life,

in the world, Bravo decided not to distribute it to their audience and therefore I'm good. And I don't think that works that way. Yeah, she gonna get class action. I mean, one of the people at the event would have still seen the... She also admitted to doing it in her denial. It's like defamation, right? Yeah.

Wait, do they have existing beef? So this is the housewife that she had the alleged revenge porn of. She's a new housewife. So they brought in new people. She was younger. Oh, jealous. And I guess she chose to go up against one of the OG housewives. And from what I remember, like what the new housewife was doing was saying that Kenya had a gun and owns weapons. Oh my, this is getting crazy.

Yeah, there was a lot of beef that happened so then Kenya just escalated it with photos. Yeah. Who's the other, do we know the other girl's name? Britney Eady. Yikes. Heard a little bit about this. Hindsight 50-50. That is the funniest thing.

Hindsight is like 127. She's like, you know, if in Hindsight, you know, I would still maybe do it again. Half I would, half I wouldn't. That's what she just said. Instead of being like, I would still maybe do it again. Half I would, half I wouldn't. That's what she just said. Instead of being like, I would never. What happened?

Well, it's all about hindsight. It's 50-50. Like which story do you want to hear? That's wild. The backstory there too. She's gonna get sued for sure. Yikes. That's a bad one.

I mean, she didn't mention Brittany's name in her accountability interview. No, she just said like the other woman, the young lady. So I'm sure there's some legal thing attached to that. Yeah. That's awful. When stuff like that happens. Has that ever happened to you?

No. No. No one's ever been like, I'm gonna... I'm gonna... No. Not yet. Well, not that you mentioned it. Well, just stay solid and just stay good.

Hopefully we're together forever. Yeah, right. She would I would have the craziest stuff come out. Where do you even get those pictures? This is their ass. Something like what the hell? You're Scott pooping. I'd say 50-50.

I'll do it again. I don't care. I'll do it again. That's wild. Oh, that's always awful though. Yeah, no, that's fucked up Anytime make it on the internet if you want it. You don't want to be named on the internet Well, it's good to see you guys always Yeah, thanks for having us. Up next we got Joan and her sexy new man Chokk Up next, we got Joan and her sexy new man, Chalk, to talk about their love affair. And then when we come back from that,

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It's been a while. It has. Chalk, I just want to say congratulations, man. I've been rooting for you since night one. I saw that. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. You were-

Predicted him. He did. I did. I was like, there's something about this chalk guy. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. You predicted him. He did. I did. I was like, there's something about this choc guy. I don't know. He seems like a good one. He is. How has it been so far? You guys enjoying the whirlwind? How has it been kind of being able to be in public and kind of celebrate your love? Great. We haven't been in public that much.

We've been doing press for two days. So this afternoon, we're like finally free. We're headed to the airport. We get to ride press for two days. So this afternoon, we're like finally free. We're headed to the airport. We get to ride in a car together. Actually last night we got to go out to dinner. So that was kind of our first ever out in public for dinner which was fun and like kind of weird. And we're headed to New York city for the weekend

just to relax and have fun. And then on Monday, we're gonna be looking for an apartment. What? Yeah. I'm sorry, an apartment. Yeah, what? I think. Yeah, we're just gonna have like an apartment. What? Yeah. I'm sorry, an apartment. Yeah, what? Yeah, we're just gonna have like a little place to meet up when we're not in Maryland and in Kansas.

Amazing. Wow. Chag, I also can I just say you look excellent in a suit. Oh, thank you. At the proposal and the reunion. I will tell you, that's the tightest suit I've ever worn in my life. You look good.

It was hugging you in all the right places. It was a power suit, man. I liked it better than the shorts. I'm, yeah, so I wear more suits. You look great. Thank you, I appreciate it. What has this been like for you, Chok? As Joan kind of guided you through the kind of the fame

that comes with the spotlight, you know, you seemed very sincere through this whole process, very much there for love, there for the right reasons as they say. But obviously what comes with this whole experience is the attention. What has that experience been like for you? Well, I am the reluctant D-lister.

And you know, I had no idea what I was getting into. I'd never been in front of a camera before. I think I handled it okay. You know, there's some guys that are obviously better at it, but not one of the guys on the show was looking for fame. Not one of us, but Joan has, I've asked her to help me take the lead on things, especially with the media and all that.

She's very experienced with it. And it's, she's been great. She tells me what to wear, what shoes, what socks. She lets me say what I want to up to a certain point and then she'll give me that look. It's like we've been together for three to five years. I mean, she's already got me figured out. He's a kind of a natural, he's like an easy person to talk to. So the interviews flow like you can tell he's just easy to be around.

Do we have plans for the holidays? Yeah, we do. So Chalk and his two kids who are adults are coming to Maryland and joining my big fat Greek family and we're having Thanksgiving and we're also doing it for Christmas. So our kids are like similar in ages and they are all like really looking forward to having like this new set of stepbrothers and sisters. And you know, I think it's going to make, I think it's like the holidays more fun, the already fun holidays are going to like, they're going up, you know, I think it's gonna make, I think it's gonna make the holidays more fun. Already fun holidays are gonna, like, they're going up, you know, we're raising to the level.

Listen, I know you love more people, more the merrier is Joan's saying, I feel like, right? Yeah, it's very true. I love it. Like, the chaos is welcome. I always wanted it in my life and now I have it. Yes, you do. Joan, I'd love to hear a little bit more

about your and Chalk's first date at Disneyland. It seemed like that really solidified your connection and Chalk's first date at Disneyland. It seemed like that really solidified your connection with Chalk. I invited him on that date specifically because I wanted to see if we could have fun together because we'd had really good conversations already from the first night at the mansion.

And I got off that train, kind of pulled in, he was standing there and he was so handsome. And we just started talking immediately. Like the rapport was quick and it was almost like we were having a date and nobody else was around. The cameras kind of faded away. Even Disneyland faded away a little bit.

As hard as that to, you know, for that to actually happen, you know, it's the happiest place on earth. And we were having a great time, but it was like so much more about like our connection and getting to know each other. So, you know, that was like the So that was the first time that I thought, this could really happen on this show. I could really find somebody.

Chuck, I feel like most people go on the show, go for the experience and kind of open to finding love because you never really know. People say you know what you signed up for, but until you get into this crazy experience, you don't really know what this whole process really is. At what point were you kind of realizing that, holy crap, Joan is someone I could fall in love with,

and when did it feel real for you? Because again, I gotta imagine, while you were open to finding love, you didn't really know what to expect until you showed up and got to meet Joan. Well, I had never even seen one episode of any bachelor's. Okay. I went into this thing completely new.

I had no idea. And at the end, I could have gone back and looked at some because I knew I was going to go on the show, but I just wanted it to be a new experience. So my expectations were pretty low. Just saying, hey, it's going to be an experience. Let's see if you can find love. At Disneyland is, you know, I got back from that date and I was like, this person's special. And we had that bond and it just continued to grow

every time we were together after that. But it was Disneyland, 100%. And it just wasn't, you can't manufacture it. It's just like one of those dates where you meet someone and you're going, wow, this is, you know, you're attracted to them, but you can just talk to them and you feel like we had so many common goals, common principles, common beliefs,

and it just worked out fantastic. Yeah, well given the fact that you didn't prep for the show, I am curious because obviously once you had that connection early on at Disneyland, you seem like a very respectful guy, obviously you made a lot of friends, but it must have gotten harder and harder for you to pretend to be okay with all these other men going on dates with someone you were clearly falling in love with.

And I must imagine, because I've been in your shoes before, you must have not taken those relationships as seriously. But how did you handle that not being familiar with the process? Because obviously people who've watched the show, they kind of understand, okay, she's gonna go on group dates,

she's gonna go on these other dates. But for you, having no idea what the show was, how challenging was it for you to be falling in love with this woman and then watch these other guys go on dates with her? I did, I thought really well with one exception, but to tell you how raw I was, I didn't even know what the first impression rose was. When my name was called out, I didn't even know I was going on the first one on one date. I'm like, what is this? I'm like, what do I got to do? And I was just, it was crazy. But one of the gentlemen, I don't want to mention his name, he came back from a date, he was just absolutely glowing. And all the guys came back and they were so, you know, happy to have the time with Joan, so respectful. And they said she was such a great person.

But one guy came back and he was just absolutely glowing. And that one kind of got me because I'm going, do I have that strong of a bond with Joan? And I learned later that it was a great date, but they didn't have the level of appreciation for each other that Joan and I did. But that, you know, I sat there and I go, oh, this hurts. You know, I might not be the guy.

Interesting, that's fascinating. What are you most excited about doing? Is it just sitting on the couch watching Netflix? Is it traveling? Is it walking around on the street? What are we excited to do? If I may, it's any and all of that. We're both very active people.

We wanna raise grandkids together. We wanna travel. We wanna experience life. We wanna have fun in New York City, have fun in Maryland, fun in Kansas, and just keep it going and do everything. We both have an appreciation for life, and hopefully we've got 30 years left to do it. We're both in our young 60s. But that's a reality too, going while you're healthy. You've got to do what you want to do. Yeah. I think, you know, speaking to kind of to that, I am looking forward to going on, I love couples vacations.

It's just, you get away from like all your responsibility and it's all about having fun and eating great meals and being in cool places. So I think that's like kind of what I'm most looking forward to, like a couple of vacations. Pascal recently did an interview and he kind of said like, you know, he thinks that bachelor, especially for Golden,

should be pulling from the same city. Obviously, y'all live in completely different states. You're now talking about, you know, getting this New York apartment to have somewhere to call home together. Do you agree with that? Is it hard, you know, being settled in your lives in two different states?

Like I have kind of two opinions about that one. So I get that, you know, you've established your lives in, you know, particular areas and that it's hard to uproot families. But I kind of look at it in a little different way. I think that it's fun. Like you can make that a positive thing that you could spend time going to each other's homes

and not, you know, even if you don't live full time together, you'd spend, you could spend a lot of, a lot of time together, you know, as long as you have the time, which we do at this age, you know, we don't have as many responsibilities and you have the resources, you have to have some money to be able to go back and forth and meet in places. I think you could make this like a really fun way to live. It doesn't need to be a negative. And it also doesn't limit you. And I know he lives in a big city. He lives in Chicago. I live in DC. There are plenty of options out there. You're still limiting your pool of people and your person might not live in

your state. So you might need to go farther out and explore other possibilities. And the bachelor allows you to do that. It's harder to be one of those people trying to date outside of your state in just the normal world. But in the bachelor world, it's not hard. And as long as you know that there's going to be compromises, I think it's like so doable. And you guys wouldn't have met each other. I don't want to speak for Pascal because everyone has their own opinion, but through the casting process, they tell you that the person is from somewhere else. You know, and it's not like you're going in blind. You know going through this process, you want to be on this show that the person is from somewhere else. You know, and it's not like you're going in blind. I mean, you know, going through this process, you want to be on this show that the person lives

somewhere else. And at our age, every one of us has connections to where they're living. It would be the exception if somebody said, well, I'm living in Tampa, and I'm willing to move in a week. And that might happen. But you know, going into the show, this is a strong probability, you're going to have a relationship that somebody could live 3,000 miles away. Yeah. Yeah. There were a couple women from Golden Bachelor that I was on that season with that were willing to move.

They said they found the right person. So there are people that are willing to move. You know, a lot of times your kids don't stay in the area where they were raised or where they grew up. They move. So some people are more flexible than others. What is something you two, since you've been together, have had to work through as a couple?

Like have you had your first kind of like little bit of a disagreement? You know less about each other when you got engaged and you know about each other, because you just saw a little bit of time, but like as you've gotten to know each other, what is something that's been kind of like, oh, okay, well this is new, you know,

this is something that's kind of a aha moment that you've had to kind of understand about each other You know, it's in all honesty. We really haven't had one of those. It's inevitable. It's going to happen We got a situation the other day where we were dealing I'm gonna call it a vendor where I started I got frustrated I gave the phone to Joan she handled it for a while and she it back to me. It was just a great tag team to do this. And those things happen. We, you know, they're going to happen, but we're going to work through it. And I learned that Joan's usually right. So I'll just support that. We start from that assumption. See, that's wisdom, Chuck. You know, my goal is to be the easiest person you could have ended up with. She actually says that.

He said, I'm not going to be the easiest guy you've ever been with. That kind of is true. So far, that statement was so accurate. I've been a great point in my life, everyone, that I don't need to be in charge. I've been doing business at a high level, had to make the decisions and all that. I'm going to be Joan's bag carrier. And I'll do the laundry and dinner and I'll make sure we have wine. And that's kind of my plan.

You chose wisely. I'm sure you guys get this question a lot. It has to be asked. Probably annoying, but like, where are we on any type of wedding planning, wedding dates? Are we just kind of pushing that out? I'm sure everyone's asked you that question, but you know, we would be remiss if we didn't ask the question. Chalk asks me it every day, when are you going to marry me? So I get asked all the time. He says whatever I want is fine with him. There he is, the easiest guy in the world.

And I originally thought like I kind of wanted it to just be like an intimate wedding with just family and friends, which is easy to plan. I could do it quicker and sooner. You know, I wanna wait a little bit, like let us just be out there and live life for at least a few months before we start thinking about wedding. But now I'm thinking maybe bigger, maybe include Bachelor Nation.

Okay, TV. I have no idea. That's a bigger conversation and maybe a little harder to do, so it may take a little longer, but yeah But we're going to get married and I'd say it's in 25, early 26, you know, timeframe. Okay.

Wow, we love. I just want to know, who do you think will be the next Golden Bachelor? We have talked about this. And between us, we probably have seven to nine of the guys that we think would be perfect. Each one has their own unique personality, skill sets, morals, characteristics. And I would, for me, I'd have, I'm gonna say eight of them in a hat and pull one out. And the reason why is you've got Charles L

that America absolutely loves, the innocence that that guy has. Then you have fun on the other end with Jack and Keith. You've got the Devener Pascal that America loves. You've got Jordan, who's witty, smart, athletic, good-looking. You just have so many different, you've got Dan, and the camera didn't do Dan any justice.

That's one good-looking man. He really is. And Gary, you know, and I just, I don't want to admit anyone, but Gary's got this incredible loving personality. Yeah. And I think up until men tell all Jonathan was like right up there, but he announced

that he has a girlfriend. And that's the other problem that a lot of these guys are pairing off already. I mean, they become, you know, the world knows who they are and, you know, they become really popular with the women. And I think about five of them have girlfriends already. Wow. Exciting for them. Thank you so much you guys.

Congratulations to you both. So happy for you guys. I hope we'll get a chance to catch up with you guys in the future, but best of luck to you. We'll see you at the wedding. Thank you. You'll be invited. All right.

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And like getting an apartment in New York is so chic. I know, they're gonna last longer than a... Like a smash pad in New York is so chic. I know, they're gonna last longer than a... Like a smash pad in New York City, fun. Why didn't you ask him, is this a smash pad? I should have, I'm sorry. I just was like, I didn't wanna like... So is this a smash pad? Pad where you're gonna smash all the time?

Feels a little intrusive. I feel like Chalk would have been a little uncomfy, but John would have giggled. I feel like that is correct. Well, we wish them all the best. I believe in them. I do. Yeah, more than I did Gary and Teresa. Yeah.

I don't think anyone's going to be signing any type of NDA divorce. Greenup. Anyways, congrats to them. Now is a good time to let you know that we have an incredible episode of Going Deeper this Wednesday. Brawin, your favorite new housewife of Salt Lake City and maybe Bravo Nation overall is with us on Wednesday and she really gets into it with us. Everything, well really about her, just her background, her childhood.

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It was a good. We were cooking. Because first we have the lunch of John Barlow trying to like mediate Whitney and Lisa. Wait, when they did that cut, I was so confused when it was like, oh, thank God John handled the problem for us and handled our women problems.

It's all over and they did the smash cut to credits. That was so funny. It was so brilliant. Listen, the editors on Salt Lake City. They really cooked. They are so good. Miss Shed. The top gun scene.

The top gun scene, yes. And the newlywed gang, like ding ding ding ding. Like so cute. They are doing the Lord's work. They're doing more than New York, that's for sure. But yeah, I do think it's funny when men try to get involved in women's drama and they think like, oh yeah, like just, okay, and it's done.

Just ask her point blank and she'll say, that's what Whitney tried to do. John did it the right way, but then also John was like, well, Lisa's never lied, which Mary said in the after show, catch this, she said, John and Lisa are going to break up when he claimed Lisa never lies about anyone because he's lied about everyone. Yeah.

Wait, Mary said that? Mary said that. But she was kind of joking. John and Lisa are gonna break up? She was kind of joking, but she's like, who are you talking about, because that's not your wife? Like you don't know your wife, if that's what you mean.

Basically, because John was mediating the conversation, but also being like, well, Lisa doesn't lie, so. And even Bronwyn said it during the episode, she was like, if everybody's husband is telling you that their wife is in the mud with your wife, maybe you have to admit that your wife is also in the mud. It's this like, everybody, because he had that in his sound bite,

he was like, Lisa can't even sneeze without everybody coming for her, and it's like, she has some accountability that she needs to be held responsible for too. Yeah, but he lives in an echo chamber. Yeah. He lives in the Lisa Barlow echo chamber. She comes home and just constantly vents

about how she's victimized by literally everyone. Yeah. Everyone. Her peers, the production company, Bravo, Wendy's. Or maybe she doesn't. We're not in the house with them. I'm predicting. I'm hoping he picks and chooses his battles, but even at the end with the coach thing,

and he was like, so you wanna extend our time, be further away from our child for a 45 minute flight because of where you're sitting, and she was like, absolutely. He wanted to call her crazy in that moment. And he was too scared. He was way too scared. He's like, so, okay.

I'm gonna say common sense slowly and hope it's gonna click. I do want him at some point to be like, Lisa, this is crazy, come on, let's not do this. Do you think there will ever come a day where John just goes, Lisa, shut the fuck up? You know he wants to. It's like, I don't, but he knows he can't.

He loves her though. He loves her very deeply. I just wish at that table he would have been like, listen, my wife isn't perfect, none of us are. I'm not gonna admit my wife isn't perfect. He tried to, he kinda tried to though. When he was like, do you think this? Good, do you think this?

Good, okay, we're done. But also not enough. I was really upset that, what's Whitney's husband? Justin. Justin. I was really upset he even kind of apologized. I know he just did it to end it and just shut it up and just try to be done with it, but. But also if she felt like he was being aggressive, then like.

But she, we saw the replay. But you can't say, like we weren't in Lisa's body in the moment, so like if she was like, you know, that what, like you did step, I don't know. That's dangerous, I honestly, maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic here, but we live in complicated, sensitive times. Yeah. You're right.

And when we have video evidence of a guy not being aggressive towards a woman and we have a woman accusing of a man being aggressive when he's not, I don't like the narrative that she gets to bully this guy into admitting to something he didn't do. But it's like when someone says, you said that and that hurt my feelings,

you can't be like, no it didn't. How do you know it hurt their feelings? You could say, you said that and that hurt my feelings, you can't be like, no it didn't. How do you know it hurt their feelings? You could say, I'm sorry, that hurt your feelings. Which I would argue is not an apology. That's not an apology. But that's not how he apologized. No, I'm just saying that's the equivalent. You wouldn't tell someone, that's not true,

I didn't hurt your feelings. Do we know it is exact? We'll get to that, but before we leave this lunch, Sean basically called Lisa borderline abusive, had been privy to some of the abuse. I think abuse is kind of a strong term. It's a very strong word, I don't. Yeah, it's overused for sure.

Well then Lisa said, well I just have a different way of thinking, you guys clearly don't understand me, which is always Lisa's clap back. Because even season one she's like, it's not my fault if you perceive the way that I treated you to be a way of treating you bad. And it's like, okay well.

She thinks she's so misunderstood. I treated you to be a way of treating you bad. And it's like, okay, well. She thinks she's so misunderstood. I do see that in a way. It kind of reminds me of like when I will say like, bitch to people and I'm not being like, you bitch. I'm like, bitch. And it's people, you know, some people don't, you know, I DMed Lala when we were, or I texted Lala when we were at her, I was at her event

and I didn't see her anywhere, and I said, bitch, are you hiding upstairs? And that wasn't a mean bitch, it was a bitch bitch. Sure, sure, sure, sure, but you actually do that when you're playing, and it's pretty clear in those scenarios that you're being like, bitch, Lisa seems to be like, you fucking bitch, blah, blah, blah, and then two days later tells a version where it's like,

I wasn't saying bitch, you know? Yeah, I guess. She is one of our incredible television personalities. She is. And I feel like if John were to have spoken up at any moment, that probably would have been the time for John to speak up and speak on his wife's behalf. Cause I would imagine John is around for also some of those conversations, right, maybe?

Or is he, does he work a lot? What is John, he's a CEO. He is a CEO, what is he a CEO of? As Todd said, a mediocre tequila brand. Did you guys catch that? He's the CEO of Lisa's. Well they're both their co, like. That's what he's a CEO of?

Well I think they have other businesses, but like Vita is one of the main ones Yeah, and then they have like the spirits brand or the seltzer brand. Yeah, these are their companies to be yeah They own it. He does a lot of work for it like throughout the season He's like the one setting up the events with Lisa and okay parallel parking But did you catch it when Todd said at the event? He was like, oh, thank his friends. I'm not on the show He said they own like a tequila brand and they're like, well doesn the show, he said, they own like a tequila brand. And they're like, well, doesn't everybody? He was like, well, yeah, mediocre tequila.

Yeah. Yeah. Which we did ask Bronwyn about. So, oh, guess you'll just have to wait. That's me. I guess in those and sometimes from what I know about like celebrity endorsements of spirits of some kind, often there is a whole operation. I don't know, maybe Lisa started this brand from the ground up and she is-

For Vita? Yeah, does she own her distilleries? No, that's a good question. Or is she white labeled? Does he, you know, there's- You should send those questions to Whitney and Whitney should ask those, you know, it would have been like, Alibaba,

okay, well do you own your distillery? Yeah. Alibaba stuff. I well, you own your distillery. You know, Alibaba stuff. I'm glad that Meredith chose a different conversation to have this episode. We leave Palm Springs and go to Mary's house where she's checking up on her son and his wife, which I feel like we've got to stop with him. It feels very exploitive. It feels like he's very clearly under the influence.

In every scene we see him in. It feels like he's very clearly under the influence. In every scene we see him in, and I wish that like... Did you catch the vape that they were hiding? Justin and I have re-round this like six times. I screen-shotted it. I was like, is that a vape? Yes, it was like, she was going to hit it, and he was like, do not hit that in front of my mother. Could you imagine Maryam Cosby talking about a vape?

Her hitting it in front of Maryam, like pulling it her direction. She'd be like, what is that? It does make me feel sad because I'm like, he hasn't really been on the show. So part of me feels like Mary is just so desperate for him to have some sort of like wake up call or see himself on the show

and maybe have some sort of realization because I can't imagine any other reason why she would put her son in that state. That's what I was wondering. What's the storyline? Cause he's been on the show in seasons before, but like in a small capacity of like, the narrative always seems to be like,

well, he doesn't do anything. Like, oh, I just found out he married someone out of nowhere and they live in my house. I think she's genuinely like concerned for him. Oh, she said she'll do anything it takes to try to get him out. Like I don't think it's like exploiting him necessarily. Is it the place to be concerned for your son

on a national TV show where you're giving the world the opportunity to comment on him. It's not. It's obviously very easy to judge and speculate to how we got to this point in terms of Mary and her son's relationship and specifically his lack of, say let's say structure in his life. But I thought it was very vulnerable of Mary

in that moment to just be like, maybe I spoiled him, I wanna do anything I can to address this problem, and just kinda say point blank to her son, like, I don't think you're ready for the world, so to speak, and I don't know what to do, but I really wanna get you ready for the world, which is just, listen, it's a very honest thing to say to your kid and how we got to that point, I don't know, but that's probably the most honest thing

you could say in that moment to your kid, which is like, I'm trying to have some sort of wake up call. I thought it was very loving. I agree. Well, even when Mary said, I feel like it's my fault, I'm not a mother, but I was like, I know that's something a lot of mothers, the guilt they have when something goes wrong.

When she said, I feel like I'm losing him to something like that to me, where it's like, she's making it very clear. Like she knows that this is not her son in the right state of mind. And he is 19. Like I looked up his age, he's still young, but I think it's the fact that he's not at college. He like married this wife in secrecy

that now lives in the house. They just live in the room. Also that's weird that like, if I, I mean, to each their own. They were eating in the room. Also that spirit that like, if I, I mean to each their own. They were eating in bed too. If I were the wife, I would have left the room for that conversation. I wouldn't be like eating my fries and chicken

in the middle of like Mary and the son. I would have been like, this is not for me. Right, well going through the checklist of what you've done today. I mean, she also seems like she's not fully there. They seem high as fuck. Yeah, I mean they do. So it's just that it makes me sad because,

and maybe it's like he She's doing this so that he can watch it back and see how he is But it's also I don't think he is watching this show I think she's just desperate and I think she doesn't know how to connect with not desperate for the storyline No desperate for like her son to be okay, and she doesn't know what else to do I think it is it's also yeah And even then you don't know who's gonna like reach out after seeing that and be like, okay, like this is maybe symptoms of what I think

he might be doing or something maybe to move into a direction of getting help. Back at Palm Springs, we see that Bronwyn does in fact get her $4 million necklace. Good for five. Good for four. Was it five? No, it was four million.

Four million dollar necklace. Five at that point. And the earrings, So pretty much five. And they sit down for their anniversary dinner and it is like the weirdest vibe. It starts off like with these weird jokes. Bronwyn caused the relationship like miserable, but beautiful.

And it's like, ooh, okay. And they have a lot of jokes about like money and the black card and I don't know. She's almost teasing the sugar baby storyline that Heather was perpetuating, but like she's giving fuel to the fire even though it's not a sugar baby situation. It seems to me that her and Todd have like a very, like Bronwyn's sensitive. She's like pretty dry. And I think her and Todd are just like both two really like dry people.

And so I feel like she's fully joking. Oh, she's joking. Yeah. It's like when people make fun of us for our age gap. Like sometimes we lean into it and tell the same jokes that people talk about us, so to speak. And I felt like that's what Brabham was doing in that moment. I think so too. I just don't think it came off to the other people at the table like that.

I think they were kind of like, because didn't Meredith say? Meredith is like, there didn't Meredith say? Meredith's like, there's mild tension here, it's an unusual engagement is what she said. I feel like those are housewives, it's like when someone else tries to make a joke, it's an opportunity for you to be like, well that's not funny, it's star drama.

And I think all these women know how to star drama. This is the Mean Girls Playbook, it's like, ew, that's weird. Like, that's how all this shit starts. And that's all these, like, Lisa and Meredith and Heather are like the queen at is just being like, ew, weird. Do not lump Meredith into Lisa and Heather's orbit. I did point out to Mary the other day that-

She is. Shh, no. Yes, no she's not. I pointed out to Mary that Meredith has a law degree, but she's never actually practiced law. She has on the show. That she has on. No, she's not. Well, I pointed out to Mary that Meredith has a law degree, but she's never actually practiced law. She has on the show. But she has on the show. She's never actually practiced?

No. She would have been too powerful. But she still speaks. They couldn't handle it. She still speaks as if she, like she's very like legally trained in her vernacular, especially when it comes to like the Sean versus Meredith podcast thing.

Does she ever say, I object? What do you mean? Some lawyer said it. I object. I object. Oh, object. I think they said I object. Object she ever say I object? What do you mean? Some lawyer said it. I object. Oh, object, I think they said I object. Objection, isn't it? They say I object or is it just like objection, speculation? It's objection, yeah.

Sure. He's watching the movie. He's watching like Mari or you know, like Judge Judy. And then we get into this whole Meredith and Sean of it all. Which they rolled the tapes and Sean did say what Meredith was saying. That he was saying she leverages her son and the community.

Yes, which I wish Angie would have spoken up and been like, you know what, we just had this whole thing where Lisa came for me about Electra, I'm gonna shut this down, like he, you know, he should not have spoken about your son. It's like, she just got so pissed off because Elektra was thrown into the mix. And it's like, and now you're gonna sit by

and like let your husband fin for himself against Meredith when like he clearly was in the wrong. Yeah, which I feel like there was other things tied in there because he was like, it's my biggest pet peeve if I thought we were like- Good and we're not. Good and then we're not. Yeah.

Cause they squashed the beef, so then it came back. I mean, I guess. But then she, yeah, I mean, I agree. It's just like a complicated argument because Meredith is obviously coming from this at a point where like the whole like Jen and Brooks beef, where Jen was literally starting beef with a child. Jen outed.

Jen outed Brooks. On Twitter. Season one or two, yeah. So she's very, very protective of him. Yeah. And then, but then Meredith also did kind of squirming around call. Jen shot outed Meredith's son. Okay.

So yes, but then it became like, she was like, well, one of my assistants had the phone or the account and was tweeting and. Either way. So it wasn't fully clear who said it, but it came from her account that. Jen and Brooks had to have a sit down. Jen was literally beefing with a full child. Jen had to apologize to Brooks. It was like season one or two, yeah. Crazy.

Yeah, so she doesn't only hate the elderly. She hates the kids too. She hates the kids too. And I could be fully wrong here, and I could be playing devil's advocate, but I'm like, I'm wondering if what Sean is saying isn't so much that he thinks he was saying something bad about Brooks,

in the sense of like saying what Meredith did involving Brooks, but not actually speaking about her son. Like he didn't say anything disparaging against Brooks. Brooks is mentioned in the sense of you're using your son after calling me gay and being okay with ruining my marriage. You're now saying because you have an LGBTQ son that you couldn't be culpable for inflicting pain on our relationship in the same way. Does that make sense? Yes, because I will say, I don't think Sean remembered what he said.

Yeah, that's what the dinner he's like, he clearly didn't remember. Yeah. But I will say, I think he was right that Meredith did do harm and for her to just kind of get the pass, even if she didn't do it, but the community did it. I agree. It's like hypocritical that she's like quote unquote accusing someone of their sexuality versus like, it's okay the community did it. Uh-huh. It's like hypocritical that she's like quote-unquote accusing someone of their sexuality Versus like it's okay because she has a gay sign. Yeah someone from the community. That's my take. So I agree I completely agree with you. But on the Meredith technicality She didn't say that she said you want to talk about the husband She implied it heavily but never actually said it Monica was the one that said it she got Monica

So that's where Meredith's lawyering is where she kind of like hints at it and then gets someone else. Meredith does it a lot though. She does, she's incredible. Every second. She's never left holding a smoking gun. That's just, that's how Meredith is.

But I mean, there are tracks that if you really looked up, there's a little bit of evidence that like Meredith had her hand in shit. Literally the blow jobs for Josh tickets rumor. That was Meredith. Nobody talks about Lisa. And then Whitney took the fall. Yeah. I don't know actually she's a genius Is she though? No, I think she's messy. You know, I think so. I think you know, like I'm watching the season

I'm like, yeah, it's guilty and then also before Jen got arrested She was the one being like I've heard things and then the second they were like, yeah, you know the FBI you talked to the FBI She's like I never said anything. I said I know things and it's like, okay Well in the conversation of us talking about Jen, that clearly means something else. And she has her like inflection with like how she's- It's the way she says it.

And she's just so incredible and the way that she speaks and her cadence. And then what do you think of Seth going, proof, be-otch to Whitney. That was so disrespectful. Cringy. So cringy. It was.

That was giving he wants to be a housewife. So badly. It was so disrespectful. Cringy. So cringy. It was. That was giving he wants to be a housewife. So badly. It was less disrespectful and more just like, what year is it? Beotch? Yeah. And just call me a bitch. Just call him a bitch.

Like, are you going to go home and watch an episode of Glee? Was that his way of being like, as a guy, I can't say bitch, but I can say beotch. Yes. And then also Meredith after being like, well, he's fed up with like his wife under fire, like from all these women. And I'm like- women and I like no one's talking about you right now It was kind of cute though. I was like, okay You guys have like marriage issues episode before and now you're like backing up your wife with proof. Yeah It's also like Seth has said before that he tries to publicly make a fool of himself in order for Meredith to like look

Better look better. So I don't know Does it make her look better? Well, this was different. It was when Meredith was having like death in her family and she was like going through a lot or this was like, and Jen was, there was just all the Jen like FBI stuff going on and Seth had said, I think he said in the reunion that he purposefully made a fool of himself in order to take attention away from Meredith struggling. Anyway, I don't know if that's relating to now.

Meredith did say in the after show, and when people do this, it irritates me. She was like, well, the biatch was comedic. It was funny, it was comedy. And I'm like, to me, that doesn't work. You can't just say something wasn't rude by saying it's comedy. But also she didn't react in that way.

If she would've been like, she should've been like, oh my God, he's joking. It also she didn't react in that way. If she would have been like, you know, she should have been like, oh my God, he's joking. Like it's funny in the moment. But in the moment, in the moment, she's like, well, he's defending me. You're coming. It's like, which one is it? Were you serious or was it funny?

Also, what would you think if someone else's husband called you Beotch? Regardless if it's comedy or not, I'm like, why are you calling me Beotch? Yeah, it's only a joke if it lands and it didn't land. So, bomb, bomb.com. It does end with Lisa having the biggest hissy fit about having to sit in coach.

I haven't had to fly coach since I was 17. She says it, that's my biggest gripe with Lisa. And she says these things is if we're supposed to be impressed. Yeah. You know? I feel that. Like, I never left the house without getting makeup done.

You know? And I'm always like, in these moments, it makes me like her the least I've ever liked her. Like the out of touch. It's not relatable and it's not the flex you think it is. Yeah, it's not a flex at all. I think it became less of like a bit funny when you have like Monica on the show

and then you have Brom and that's real money. And it's's like so now it looks like you're doing too much. Yeah, do we think Lisa's just insecure? Yeah, yeah, of course. She wants to present Mm-hmm But even what Bronwyn said in the after show that it's like if you have all of this access you have all of this money Apparently the rumors going around that Lisa saying she has more money than Bronwyn and Todd that it's like, okay Then call up somebody and get a private jet here or get a helicopter or do whatever you rich people do if you're so upset about your coach flight. Yeah. If you're so rich about flying coach, you don't complain about flying coach. You

just don't fly coach and you figure it out. If anything, you keep it discreet. You're like, okay, thanks for the accommodation. Bronwyn was like, buy a Porsche. There's a Porsche dealership. She's like, just get a car. drive it. Did you see Lisa posted on Instagram, like a walkthrough of her PJ? Yeah. No. Lisa's PJ.

It was like, I mean, I don't know if it's hers personally, but she had like got a PJ and climbed up. Well, and it's funny too, cause she gave like a little tour of a planet on hers. It's like her walking up the stairs, sitting in the seat, like- Well, so the after show aired before she posted this video. Jesus, Lisa.

That's how we know you don't have one. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, like, and I'm not trying to be a bitch, but I'm just like, they're like, needing to show it off, and it's like, you've been on the show for four, five seasons, and I've never seen your PJ. So you're giving new money, mama. Thank you.

Yeah. And we all know, like, if she had one. We would be seeing it all the time. I mean, she has connections to the PJ. She would take it to Wendy's. Okay, that I could get behind. If she did that, I would't know, like if she had one. We would be seeing it all the time. I mean she has connections to the DJ. She would take it to Wendy's. Okay, that I could get behind. If she did that I would be like, Lisa Barlow, you've never done anything wrong in your life.

Can I come? Here's what she was complaining about with Coach, is she was sitting like sardines, she couldn't move her arms and hands, there was lots of turbulence, you can smell the bathroom, and then she said, looking out the window, you'll live if the plane crashes

because you're in the back. Well that's a plus, I guess. And then she couldn't looking out the window, you'll live if the plane crashes because you're in the back. Well, that's a plus, I guess. And then she couldn't connect her sky miles. Okay, several things here. She didn't lie. First class is also buy a bathroom. That's what I was saying. In fact, closer than most economy seats.

Some would say sandwiched. Yeah. Neighbors couldn't move her arms and hands. So she was in the middle seat. Turbulence, like you feel like you only feel turbulence in one end, doesn't it shake the whole plane? No, what that says to me is that you're usually a little tipsy, Lisa, from the free drinks in the front

that you don't feel the turbulence. Yeah, it also was like what, a 45 minute flight? Yes. Like you go up and then you land. That was the part that really got me, is the fact that it was a 45 minute flight. It's like, pitch a fit if we're going across the country. You know, like from LA to New York, pitch a-A-Fit, sure, I guess, five hours, whatever.

45 minutes, you're mad. But you want to fly an extra 30 minutes back to LA to wait. Wait in LAX. Oh my God. To wait for a first class flight for an hour flight. Maybe 55 minute flight from LA to Salt Lake. Also, she got 17C right? She's not in the back of the plane.

17C, that's an aisle? Is an aisle or a window? That is an aisle. She's fine. All Lisa is about, her entire existence, is to see what she's able to get other people to do for her. She just wants to see what kind of bullshit she can throw and see who she can get to comply.

Number one complier, her husband, John, like Mr. Compliance, he's there, he will like, all right, here we go. Heather, she's right in there in the Compliance Department, she's just like, Lisa, were you cool in high school? Great, I need to be your friend. Doesn't matter how you treat people, whatever.

I feel like in that moment Heather would have been like, bitch, get on this plane, you are not gonna fly to. In her ITM, she would have talked some shit behind Lisa's back, but to Lisa right there, she wouldn't have said anything. And not to be a Meredith, but to answer your question and to agree with it, there are lawsuits out there of friends and business partners

that were complying with Lisa and giving her stuff, but never got in return. Yeah. So. Lisa just wants to see what she can get people to do. Also Bronwyn posted that she had actually gotten the second set of first-class tickets for the two single women that were supposed to be coming. So Brittany and Heather were both invited on this trip,

but she refunded the tickets, but I don't know who she gave the first, the other first-class tickets to be coming. So Brittany and Heather were both invited on this trip, but she refunded the tickets, but I don't know who she gave the first, the other first class tickets to, but. Probably no one, she was like no. She was like, yeah, nevermind you guys. Well, cause they were sitting with their couples. That's right, that's what she did say. And it would have been favoritism,

but like, I think it is kind of interesting that she also did think if she was gonna give anybody first class, she would have given it to Heather. I think it's nice. Yeah. Did you notice that in the after show, and I think this is kind of interesting that Lisa and Brittany are paired up.

So usually it's like the friends, but like Lisa and Brittany are like kind of the outliers that they were kind of like, that's me just saying, like, let's have you guys sit together. Oh yeah. Versus like doing a single one with just- Who's Heather paired up with Meredith? Yeah, Heather's with Meredith. I feel like that's the producers separating Heather and Lisa because you'll get a more honest Heather if she's done with Lisa.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, when Heather and Meredith are around each other, it's actually pretty chill normally. Brahman's under a lot of flack right now because of how her husband was talking to her. We get all those answers tomorrow. We address a lot of her and Todd's relationship. In fact, most of the relationship, most of the conversation is about that relationship

and some of the fire or controversy or criticism that she has found herself in with her husband. Is Todd really the Todd father? Is Todd the Todd father? Find out tomorrow. Yeah, on going deeper. All right, real housewives, real housewives, obviously Alexis makes her entrance.

She did. Oh. She's not religious, but she's spiritual. And so, no, not only is she not religious, she finds that word to be, what's the phrase? She went from being in a marriage where it was God, children. No, God spouse children.

God spouse children to finding the word religion to be a negative connotation. It was like non-Sac religious for them. I think she. She said it had a negative connotation. I think she said the word religion, and I don't know, religion? I mean-

I kind of get it though. I mean I kind of get it, but- I get it when she's saying like, I'm spiritual but believe in God. I was gonna say, this is the same woman that was like so offended by Jesus' jugs and now she's like wearing it with pride. Well not to jump ahead, but her saying,

I've been on TV for 15 years, to Shannon. Has she? This is the first time I've ever heard about her. Well, she's been on, what is it, four or five shows? It was like some number. Way back when. Yeah. She was not on TV 15 years consecutively.

But when Shannon was like, you're just a friend, Alexis. And she's like, I've been on TV 15 years. And it's like, you're talking to a group of women that are still on the show. Shannon and Ashley Cook. 10 years straight. Shannon and Deb Cook. She destroyed her.

Yeah. Well, I didn't realize Alexis was a full-time housewife back in the day. Yeah. I had to look it up and I was like, oh, I guess she was, but still, five through eight was her seasons. Before Alexis does come out, we get a little bit of the Heather checking out gins,

the money. The dress. Yeah, the whole like, I think Andy called them non-accountants or something. Something like that. Well, and then who was it called? Heather, a mean girl? Which?

Katie. Katie. Katie. Shocker. Where does Katie's deal with Heather? I don't know. Well, Heather just came for her about the children and the 10 years ago whole thing.

So Katie's probably like, fuck this bitch. Katie's daughter's situation is wild though. Yeah. But also, remember Heather had the audacity to put her on blast and then come up to her while they're doing makeup being like, I'm so sorry about that if you need anything. I didn't mean for it to go.

I respect that. I mean. Was she. What are we talking about? In the last reunion after she puts out that whole chase. She, Katie. Heather, when Heather puts out all the stuff about Katie about the 10 years ago following that man home,

the stuff we didn't need to hear about to begin with. Did Heather or Emily do that? Heather. Emily was about the giving up ago following that man home, the stuff we didn't need to hear about to begin with. Did Heather or Emily do that? Heather. Emily was about the giving up custody. When they finished that segment and Katie's clearly in tears, Heather walks up to her while they're resetting and she's like, I'm sorry that it went that far, like that I brought this up.

But it's like, you didn't have to bring it up at all. No, no, no, she, but I do kind of respect Heather in that moment because she apologized for not knowing about like the full context. Yeah, I feel like she didn't realize what she brought up. But it's too late, it's still too late. You brought up something from 10 years ago, like sorry, that's fucked up.

You knew it wasn't gonna be received well. But that's where housewives do. No. Didn't Katie start this feud with Heather? That's dirty. But not the past, she brought up the paparazzis. Paparazzis versus her with her children in a car getting harassed by a man

and then like her children being taken away from her. That's a lot different than being like, you stayed to paparazzi shoot at Disney. While you were currently on that show. Also. It's crazy. Yeah. But then it does feel like Katie is really trying to like get the heat back on Heather

because she was like, that's a mean girl thing to do, to go up and check the price tag. That's a mean girl thing to do. And Heather's like, shut the fuck up, no it's not. And then they break for lunch and Katie's like, Jen, we need to talk. And she's like, that was a mean girl thing to do. I would never do that.

I think you should bring it up. It is a mean girl thing, is it not? Why are you going out of your way to look up the price of what I'm wearing? I would probably be like, oh, there's Jin's dress, and then keep moving. Literally. Literally, she looked up the price.

That's what I'm saying, and that's also an easy Google if you cared that much. So that's where it's like, you saw that, you took the extra step to be like, oh, and I can't wait to go run to Tamron. It's different if you went to Bloomingdale's and you're like, oh my God, that's the dress. Oh my God, it's $2,000.

That's different. Okay, but isn't it also kind of Mean Girl to keep hounding a paparazzi story about someone? She brought it up like three episodes. It's like they're all being Mean Girls. I'm just like, yeah, I'm just imagining Heather who's been like one of the OGs of the show and New Girl comes in and plants this

bullshit paparazzi story. And yeah, is it petty? Sure. But yeah, I could just imagine Heather being like, who the fuck is this person? What the fuck are they stirring this shit? And then she kind of, which kind of makes Heather's apology make more sense because I do think Heather even agrees

that it probably went a little too far. But she was like, this motherfucker, is this like coming for me? I don't know why. And then Emily seems to like find the story and kind of tells Heather about it. Heather seemed to know more about this story. I mean, I'm sorry, Emily knew more about the story

than Heather. No, Heather was like, I read the police report or something. She was like, that's not what the police said. Emily was filling in the gaps though. She was clarifying the legalities of it. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like Emily told Heather about it.

I disagree. I mean, but I will say the Katie's daughter thing is kind of wild. Like knowing that Katie's daughter is posting TikToks of like to the woman beefing with my mom and she's lip syncing fake ass bitches who suck dick. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more. Katie laughed about it.

I'm convinced that when Katie first saw that her daughter's TikTok, she laughed. Well, and then she said that she's had conversations with her daughter, which also I was like, so now you're throwing me under the bus as the daughter. She was kind of throwing her daughter under the bus. Yeah, I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. I mean, her daughter, what, she said her daughter's 20? Yeah.

She's around my, yeah, her age. Yeah. I mean, like- You have power. She has power. She's doing this all by choice. It's also like, you just, all you have to do is you're not like, hey, you can't, I'm controlling what you post on social media.

It's like, what you post will affect my relationship with these women and will therefore have people online attack me. So it's like you're protecting our family by not going on social media and being petty against these women. Like this is my job, I have to work with them. And if you want to continue to have moments on this show,

you need to not act this way and behave this way. I need you to delete it, I need you to do blah, blah, blah, whatever she needs her to do. She has some kind of authority over her daughter if she wants it. Now maybe she's never invoked that authority. Maybe her daughter walks all over her. Maybe she, I don't know.

But she, I didn't believe Katie in that moment at all. She definitely laughed about it. Yeah. Well, even there's the clip of her son also going in on how mean Heather is. So I'm like, clearly in that moment at all. She definitely laughed about it. Yeah. Well, even there's the clip of her son also going in on how mean Heather is. So I'm like, clearly you're having these conversations. She's coaching him.

Do we think Katie's daughter is trying to get on that like, Nepal baby Bravo show with Brooks? Well, they already filmed it, so. Oh, they did. Season two? There's always season two. Just saying. Or whether she's trying to get on the show or not,

maybe she is just very much trying. There are plenty. I mean, let's not forget that Bella and Gigi were originally just kids of a housewife. Yeah. I watched her first photo shoot. Kendall and Kylie were the like little sisters. Of the Keeping Up With the Kardashians.

So, you know, whether it's trying to get on the show or not, she might be trying to use this platform to, you know, bring awareness to herself. Yeah. Katie's daughter also has a big TikTok following. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it was interesting when like, for a second, the drama kind of tried to become like,

between Tamara's daughter and Katie's daughter. And I was like, why? Like, I feel like we try not to keep the children in, but every second we're bringing the children in. When Tamara's like, well, she hasn't texted. Well, it's like, they don't want to bring the children in, they don't want to bring the husbands in, but then what is like, well, she hasn't texted. Well, it's like, they don't wanna bring the children and they don't wanna bring the husbands in, but then what is the show about?

Children and husbands. So, like, it's funny. Is Alexis delusional? Yes. Yes. It's not a question. I will once again say Alexis and John, Nellie might disagree with me, but if you're listening and you're out there,

please come and share your truth. If you're so convinced it's true. Why you should do that? I wanna talk, I do wanna talk to them too. I don't. I just like. I don't think they're gonna have anything relevant to say either, but I'd love to give

and I'd love the opportunity to ask follow up questions. I just, yeah, I just feel like they're on like an ever revolving same loop of things to say over and over and over again. They say the same thing for each other, to each other, about each other. It's just like we have people on who I might not be like the biggest fans of,

and then you meet them and you're like, oh my God, they're so kind and nice. And like, maybe this is not, you know, like we always say we reserve the right to be wrong. Like maybe we've been wrong about them. You don't want to be wrong. And I just feel like I won't be able to be like a nice,

unbiased host. I would. But see, here's the thing. We have to do that, but have the BFFR conversation with her. To be like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't say that Shannon didn't win when she clearly won, you know? Yeah, I know.

Be a hostile interviewer. I was, it would be hostile. Because that was also wild when Shannon was kept saying, well, I won the case, I won the case. And she's like, you didn't win, you didn't win. And it's like, first of all, what are you arguing? Because you brought this up. That's the thing, Shannon was arguing semantics

the whole time. Shannon or Alexis? I'm sorry, Alexis was arguing semantics the whole time. The whole like, well, you know, when Shannon's smoking gun, which was the text messages of clearly Alexis, like including herself in the potential lawsuit with her original husband. She's like, he asked me to send those messages. I didn't want, it's like, they came from your phone.

You texted them. And then it became, well, he was gonna sue you anyways. It's like, did you just say a second ago that you were doing that so he wouldn't sue me? No, it's all crazy. It's all just nutty and she's never. I think she's gonna be, like this is her only season right now, right?

Like there's no season going forward. It would just be the same story again, right? And I don't think anybody gives a shit. The only alternative is a redemption era with Shannon, but to Shannon's defense, I don't think she should have to film with Alexis. No, she shouldn't. Yeah, Shannon should definitely

hold whatever card she has. I mean, she made it pretty clear when she was here, she refuses to film with Alexis. Sure, but if she has to film with Tamara, they can at least. And there's being in negotiations and saying, I'm not gonna do this and Bravo saying, you know, it's a game of chicken.

Bravo could be like, well, then don't come. I saw something. I'll boycott the network if I don't get Shannon back for another season. Alexis is a friend of, wouldn't Shannon have power in the contract? I'm gonna say, it's potentially a game of chicken. No, you're right, you're right.

It's easier to say on a podcast. There's always a price to everything. When someone's throwing money at you or suggesting they're gonna take it away. I did see something of, it was someone estimating the salaries of the women for the season, and Tamara made more than Shannon did,

and in my head I was like, that doesn't add up. Why is Tamara making more? I mean, Tamara's been there longer. Oh, has head I was like, that doesn't add up. Like why is Tamra making more? I mean Tamra's been there longer. Oh has she? But I mean. I mean she was paused. I don't know how many times, yeah. I don't know how that one works.

Do we even know or is this all alleged? It's estimated so you can ever so, this is, I mean they estimate, I mean yeah so it's allegedly. And they estimated based off of season. Last season, last season yeah. So it's like roughly like I remember then they said there's like a mandatory pay bump.

But I mean again, you know, you hear that they get incentivized for drama and they have some sort of bonus structure. Say what about Tamra? She is very, again, she's there to work. She, even when they were like calling her out this episode, like you go even lower and Tamra was like, yeah, I kinda do. Yeah, she took it kind of over.

To me, that kind of felt like if Tamra was like, yeah, I'm always willing to do what they ask. I have a question. Is it valid for right before you start therapy to just like absolutely wreck everyone so then you can like, almost like a last- That too. Last phrase thing. Like is therapy like the excuse of all?

Like a bachelorette party. Yeah, yeah, she's like, when we get it all out, let me say all these awful things and then I will go to therapy. Well, you know doesn't work for everybody depends on kind of how you approach it She's approaching therapy as if like I'm gonna go in and I will be fixed immediately. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, sometimes people get a therapist just to get someone to agree with them. Yeah, you know, there's that you know, and Depending on who their therapist is people do weaponized therapy. Do we think Tamara won't do that? Oh, she already, well.

Okay, nevermind, nevermind, nevermind. She might, she might. Therapy has already been a journey for her, for sure. Yeah, well she just started her therapy journey, so. Yeah, and hey, if it works out for her and helps her and makes her feel better and you know, helps her communicate and all that kind of stuff.

Godspeed. Are we just on the, let's just kind of wait and see when it comes to Jen at this point. Jen is whatever at this point tripling, quadrupling down on her, on Ryan and I think this episode she said, I don't think he did anything wrong a couple times. And so at this point we just have to- She said, I promise you there's nothing coming Ryan's way.

Well that might be true. Since he again is getting immunity and maybe that's true. It is interesting Jen's deflection with all her jobs of like, to Emily when she said like, well his parents pay for your life. And like this episode she's like, well were you faithful with your husband?

And it's like, okay she's clearly throwing things out there because I think she is also in a position where she doesn't know how to talk about it. So she's deflecting. Yeah, yeah. And you know, but what Jen has, at this point you just have to respect that this is the relationship that Jen wants to be in.

Her friends, even, you know, this was like a mini intervention. Or even Heather was like, listen, we just care about you. We don't want to see you get fucked over. You know, that seemed like a very sincere moment when Heather was just like, you know, all of us, whether it feels like we're coming at you or not or whatever, but in all seriousness, we're worried.

No, I respected it too, because it's like, let me just say to you what we're all saying behind your back and then they're, it's all clear. I think Jen's also like, I think she's in survival mode, and I think she's in love. Yeah. So I think, like she even said before we got to the reunion at the end of the finale, like,

this is gonna be a bloodbath, like I don't, like, I left someone to be with someone that I love that supports me for who I am when my last person didn't support me. And it's like, she's in a really difficult spot. And do we know much about her original marriage? I don't, but do you know? And how he didn't support me. And it's like, she's in a really difficult spot. I don't know. And do we know much about her original marriage? I don't, but do you know? And how he didn't support her? All I know is that she said that he wouldn't really

talk to her, didn't spend time with her, and now since the divorce, it's that tenfold. So I might- Well, it is giving right now, he is very upset about how she speaks on, I mean- Which all the women were like, you don't speak ill of him at all. Like we wish honestly that you would speak. But she does speak respect.

I mean, it is her kid's father. So I think she does recognize that and respect him. She's only saying like he doesn't pay what he's supposed to court order to pay. Which him being a lawyer is really bizarre. Well, it seems I would be willing to guess he knows what he's doing. And he's doing it just's what I'm saying.

And he's doing it just to make her life difficult and he's dragging it along. That's why I said she's probably in survival right now. It is just tough to get on her side given who side she's on. I think Bravo's on her. Oh well, not Bravo's a network, but I think the fan base is dominantly on Gen's side.

I also will say I loved when Andy told Shannon to not say whatever she said to get sued the first time. Because he was like, you'll get sued again. She said, no, I won. He was like, oh, you won? Well, that's why Alex is like, she didn't win. And it's like, no, but she did. Yeah. But I just like Andy, like protecting them legally, you know? Yeah. Well, it's time to wrap up. Thank you guys for listening.

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