The Viall Files - E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! The ICONIC Vicki Gunvalson joins us! Her mic is hot as she talks about the RHOC Reunion, Tamra Judge, Alexis Bellinio’s spreadsheet, and possibly returning to the franchise! Meanwhile we talk Wicked, the Vanderpump Rules Recast, Bravo Fan Fest, Kristin Cavallari leaking Scott Disick’s DMs, Hailee Steinfeld getting engaged to Josh Allen, RHOBH, and RHOSLC. “They do say OC is a cast of women who don't know how to hang up the phone" OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Helix Sleep - That’s https://www.HelixSleep.com/Viall With Helix, better sleep starts now. Wonderful Pistachios - Learn more at https://www.WonderfulPistachios.com  Quince - Gift luxury this holiday season, without the luxury price tag. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Grammarly - Get more done with Grammarly. Download Grammarly for FREE at https://www.grammarly.com/podcast  Apostrophe - To get started, just go to https://www.Apostrophe.com/viall and click Get Started, then use our code VIALL at sign up and you’ll get your first visit for only $5! Vessi - Discover more at https://www.vessi.com/VIALL and enjoy 15% off your first purchase at checkout. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @vickigunvalson @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @the_mare_bare @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 14:00 - Household Headlines 54:34 - VPR 59:49 - Secret Lives 01:03:21 - RHOBH 01:22:36 - Vicki Gunvalson Interview 01:44:05 - RHOSLC 01:56:21 - Outro  

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includes two dream pillows, a sheet set, and mattress protector with any Lux or Elite mattress order. That's helixsleep.com slash viall. With Helix, better sleep search now What's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap editioncap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. Boy, do we have a lot to get into. I hope that you all had a very happy holiday, Thanksgiving weekend, long weekend, whatever. And we're back. We're finally back.

We had some time off as well. We went to the place of our wedding, the farm, as we like to call it, and it was glorious. It was amazing. We like went back down to where we got married, we took Rivie, she was like walking. It was so sweet. I will say Thanksgiving's definitely different after you're married and have a kid with someone.

Why is that? Well, you know, I'm the guy who you may or may not know. Courtney famously does, like, I don't save numbers on my phone. Like, I have to know you for a year, maybe. Okay. Like. I remember we were like seven months in

and I looked over and I was like, my number's not saved? Really? It was a thing. I don't save numbers. I don't save numbers. And I think there's a part of me that's just kinda like, I don't know, maybe it's just the part of me that's older,

I've had people come and go in my life. So like, are you really gonna be around for a while? Kind of thing. He said no attachment issues here. No, abandonment issues for sure. For sure, for sure. And then, and then, you know, and so yeah, I've had some girlfriends in the past, sorry.

I've met their families, sorry. You know, so you know me, you know, I met Nellie a few years back and she's like, come to Savannah for Thanksgiving. I'm like, I love my girlfriend, I wanna be a good boyfriend, so I went. But like, I'm just polite and quiet and I mind my business and I do my thing. I don't know if I'm gonna know these people.

Like, in a few years? I don't want your whole life story. I don't know, like, kind of thing. He's not asking follow-up questions. No, I'm just giving one-word answers. I'm polite, your whole life story. I don't know, like, that kind of thing. He's not asking follow-up questions. No. No. He's giving one-word answers. I'm polite, whatever, but I mean, now you- He's making his own dish and only eating that.

I'm only eating meatballs. Like, I'm not fucking with grandma's turkey. You ate the turkey this year. I had some turkey. There you go. He's changing. Congratulations. Good job, Natalie. But it's different when you're married.

You have a kid with someone. And I showed up to Thanksgiving thinking to myself, this is my brother-in-law. Like, these are my family. Like I have family here now. So you act a little different. Did you save their numbers? No.

My niece Scarlett did text you. I did text her yesterday. She didn't text me back. Really? She's like, sorry, who is this? She's like, sorry, I didn't save numbers. No, but it hits different when you have like, you know, I was a little looser.

Yeah. I was, you know, starting to learn drama. It's your family, that's why. He was definitely starting drama. We had a family kickball game and Nick was like making up rules left and right. My sisters were like cussing him out. It was definitely, he was in the family.

I had to tell her sister to calm down. And that was after I slipped her an edible. Wow. So it was, you know, definitely brought some stuff to Thanksgiving this year. I saw you riding- Drama and drugs. He's part of the family now. He's gotta figure out where he fits.

I saw you riding a horse. I did ride a horse. Turns out I'm a cowboy. Wow. We put him on a horse. And he did really great. Everyone was very impressed with him. And you know, he rode a Tennessee walking horse, which they're different than normal horses.

You know, they move differently and Nick. I shot some guns. He shot a gun. Who are you? Country man. Yeah. Yay. Man of the woods.

And honestly, I think he's like ready to pack it up and move to the south. Oh. Oh, not yet. Okay. But, yeah. She's just feeling it out. We shot some guns.

My brother-in-law, John, the doctor, I was like, John, can I shoot some guns? And he's like, he talks like that, she's from the mountains. He's not from the mountains. I don't, you say that every time. He's from the mountains. Not from the mountains. I know not from the mountains. I don't think you say that every time. He's from the mountains. Not from the mountains.

I know him as the mountain man at this point. He literally has never lived on a mountain. He talks like this. He does talk like that, but he's not from the mountains. And he showed me his gun with a night scope on it. He's like, I'm like, let's go, you know? And they have like all this property and we went and went at night to shoot some guns.

And he's like, well, if we shoot a possum, and I'm like, John, I just want to shoot a gun. I am not prepared to take life tonight. Can we set up a can perhaps? No, that's all we did, yeah. He's a hunter, so good times. Good times over the holidays. Yeah. That's good.

I will say I felt like it was different this year with River because obviously like my whole family met her at the wedding, but she was so small and like slept the whole time that I felt like it was different this year with River because obviously my whole family met her at the wedding, but she was so small and slept the whole time that I felt like now everyone was actually meeting her, who she is today and her personality. And so we were just like, the first night that she met everyone, we were just putting her

in people's laps and she was happy and she was loving it and she was smiling and she does this thing where she touches heads and she leans in, puts her forehead on the other. I taught her touch heads. It's really cute. I remember I gave her to my dad, and I'm trying to connect with him.

I'm like, he's holding my daughter. This is such a special moment. I thought about this for a long time. And I was like, dad, do you see me in her? As a baby, are you picturing me as a baby when you hold my daughter? And he was like, no. And I was like, all right.

Understood. Perfect. All right, well enjoy that. I'm gonna go. Walk it off. Thank you very much. I'll walk it off. I'll rub some dirt in it and we'll be fine. So, you know.

So we still got some of the other issues. I didn't get called fat, but I had- Progress. Yeah, progress for sure. He was just keeping it real. He was. I made a beef brisket, turned out. He did, he made a beef brisket,

and that was about all you ate on Thanksgiving. He pulled the whole like, Rivers sleeping, I should be in there with her. I should not. So you hid away. I'm gonna go be with River. You took a break. Yeah, as everyone's sitting down for Thanksgiving.

Everyone's sitting around. I will say, I was talking. You took a break. Yeah, as everyone's sitting down. Everyone's sitting around. I will say, I was talking to another brother-in-law and I was like, this family. So you start talking about the family. You know, you start talking a little shit. The debrief. The debrief. Like this family loves to sit around

and let hot food get cold. And I said to this other brother-in-law, and he's like, yeah, they do, yeah. What is the alternative? Well, it's because we just have rules. It's like either kids go first, women go first. Kids go first, we don't have forks or plates or whatever. And there's just hot food getting cold.

Well, it's also because the women are the only ones doing something and all the men are sitting around smoking cigars, like just sitting around a turkey frying. And it's like, well, why don't you find the plates if you're hungry? Wait, the men win first? No, hell no.

My grandfather was like, women go first. And so all the women. Titanic, women and children first. Titanic, Titanic, children first. Yeah, but they just sit around and let this food go cold. And it was like, what is going on with this family? It's a kidding man. Yeah, yeah, you're a family.

My family. Yeah, well, I'm starting to make some changes. I'm starting to throw my weight around. He's starting to rub people the wrong way. You know what I'm saying? He's starting to not get invited next year. Listen, either way, I'm family now. You said Titanic rules, gone.

Men first. Oh no, that's what he did at my first Thanksgiving. He cut in front of all the kids, and my family was like, who is this guy? Who are you bringing at Thanksgiving? He cut in front of all the kids and my family was like, who is this guy? Who are you bringing at Thanksgiving? He cut in front of the ice cream. It was pretty, no. Let's recap.

Thanksgiving was over. This was a baby shower. Last year. Two years ago, this was the first thing. Last year. That wasn't last year. It was my baby shower. Not your baby shower, it was Cole and Katie's baby shower.

No, it was Cole and Katie's wedding. Wedding shower. Whatever. Their wedding. This was my first Thanksgiving with the family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had a Sunday dessert stand. And this was after Thanksgiving where I was told the children go first.

Oh, so you knew the rules. I was made aware of a rule. And they brought out the ice cream. I waited at least three minutes. No, it was like, it was like 20 seconds. No one went up and I'm like, why am I, I can be done in 30 seconds. Why am I waiting for the little ones to go up?

They're not going up. It's because they didn't even announce that the ice cream was out. Nick was just like, he wasn't talking to anyone. He waited for them to bring it out. He was watching them cart that ice cream out. So he got up first. He's like put a little stopwatch on you,

it's like it's been three minutes, it's time to go. No one died. Kids need to learn. They do. They do. If there is ice cream there, you better go get it. Or else it's gonna be gone. Ice cream melts people, valuable lesson for the kiddos. You know what, it is your inner child getting its help.

Thank you, right? I grew up with many siblings. If we didn't rush to the line, we might not be there when you get there. Exactly. And Nick still to this day is eating like all of his siblings are gonna take his food off this plate. I'm like, we haven't even sat at the table yet.

We're just still walking from loading our plates in between by us. I'm like, getting for a breath. Yeah, it's gnarly. It was a great Thanksgiving. It sounds like it. Now before we get into the headlines, I hope Mr. Joshua is okay with us telling the story.

Now that we're coming back from the farm, a beautiful weekend once again, we arrive in LA, we had to check a bag, because we have a baby now. I only say that because you should never check a bag unless you don't have to check a bag. I only say that because our friend recently, anyways, I'm getting off topic. I'm getting off topic.

This is how all of Nick's stories are, and I'm like this. I'm also like, Natalie, how the hell are you packing all the luggage on? It's roller coaster. Anyways, we checked a couple bags. We walked down to baggage claim, and we walk out of the tunnel, and there he is, very, very cruel intentions, top of an escalator, you know what I'm talking about, Sierra.

Joshua Jackson is sitting on the baggage claim carousel that's not moving with a bouquet of flowers. Looking just dapper and dressed up and handsome. Looking so handsome, looking so dapper. And I'm like, is that Joshua Jackson? And he's like, yes. It is, and I loved him in Fringe so much. If you've never seen the show Fringe,

you need to immediately go and watch it right now. And so I, of course, was like, I'm a big fan, like very quietly, very like low-key, like, no, I didn't want to like make a senior. Very demure. And he very demure. And he like very graciously smiled and said thank you. And then I had to wait for the oversized car seat luggage,

you know, to come out. So I was like standing right next to him for a while. And then I was like, I feel like he just like announced, didn't he like get a divorce kind of recently? So then I was like, who is he picking up? We're like, oh my God, is it some like Instagram baddie? Like some girl he met off Raya? Like who is getting the flowers?

So like, we have to stick around. So we like go to get our luggage, whatever, and Nick's like, the Uber's here. And I'm like, I see him moving. I'm like, one second. And I'm like peeking around all these people and it's his daughter. And he like crouches down and she runs to him

and he like big bear hugged the sweetest moment ever. It was so cute. What a good papa. But then it simultaneously broke my heart. Why is that? I'm really, you know, I'm in my new dad era, obviously. I just had Thanksgiving with the family, like holidays, being a new father, it hits different,

you know, like all the little traditions and little moments that as an adult, you're like, I don't know, I'm not a kid anymore, I don't appreciate this. When you have a kid, you're back in it, it's awesome, it's lovely, you're just a family. Being a family over the holidays is just, it's a great feeling. And it broke my heart that like, obviously relationships end,

people get divorced, it happens, but like for any parent out there that didn't get to spend the holidays with their child because they share custody, I just, my heart goes out to them. I mean, it was, I mean, beautiful to see him just being this father and it was such an endearing moment, but it also simultaneously kind of broke my heart.

I just, I really felt for him. But anyways, so for all the parents out there who didn't get to spend the holidays with their kids and wish they could, you know, my heart, my heart goes out to you. But anyways, Joshua Jackson, great father. Yeah. Great father. And looking great at 50, I have to say.

He looks hot. He looked hot. He looked very good. Very hot. Very, very hot. We do have the very iconic Vicki Gunvalson. I supposedly joining us later this episode. It's been unclear. We did have her booked for a couple weeks, and then when there was some message exchanged

over the holiday weekend, then she may or may not be available, or I'm not sure. But we have been told that she is now gonna zoom in. So we'll see. We'll see if Vicki shows up. Unclear, hopefully she does. We are excited to talk to her though.

Did you guys watch Wicked? No. No. You know, we're not moviegoers now that we have a baby. That is one thing. What I did watch, maybe a hundred times, thousands, I don't know how many times, the clips from the press tour of Wicked, which I am obsessed with.

The holding of the finger. The crying. All of it, all of it. The holding space. And then like, really? That's what I really wanted. And then the interviewer was like, well, I mean, I saw a couple clips.

I talked to my friends. I didn't know that was happening. It's crazy. Yeah, it's incredible. It seems like the self-importance of them. I mean, listen, they are so talented. Incredibly talented. So unbelievably talented.

And when it comes to people who can sing like that, every time they open their mouths and sing, it does take my breath away without question. I think if you watch the movie though, you would understand the importance of it. I think you would feel moved and you would wanna move with them. And the acting in it is unparalleled.

Like honestly. I don't doubt it, but like they are crying over their own performances, which is a bit out of touch. I mean, you can tell that they- I understand it. I get it, you're a huge fan. You can tell they bonded. I'm with Leia. Yeah, you can tell that they- I understand it. I get it, you're a huge fan. You can tell they bonded.

I'm with Leia. Yeah, same. No, no, I get it. I now understand it. I walked into the office and you guys were singing. Yeah. Like I get it, you're huge fans. We were decorating with the music.

Dear, darling, momsy and popsicle. I'm not trying to take away your love for the show. It's just- You're not holding space for it. I'll cry if I don't like power... You're not holding space for it. And you haven't seen it. I do think it's... I'm sure it's gonna be quite good.

I think... It is a movie that River should watch. As someone who doesn't like musicals, I'm sure I will enjoy this film because it's so good. Have you ever gone to a Broadway show? One. One? Did you like it or could you appreciate the talent of it?

I went to Rent. Oh, Rent's a good one. Rent's a really good one, yeah. It wasn't for me. Okay, well this is probably the closest equivalent to watching an actual musical as a movie. It's the most successful movie musical since Grease. Like Grease held the record for 45 years

or something like that. Oh my God. Yeah, it's insane. I think we're in a new era of celebrity, and I think the old-fashioned press tours, they'll still do them, but they're gonna continue to get mocked the way that they are. I think nowadays, I think media is changing and I think what we do here, podcasts, for all the jokes that people talk about, podcasts in general and things like that, I think the new celebrity is to go on these long, the new playbook is going to continue to be pushed

towards shows like ours, quite frankly. And if you can't sit down and have a real conversation with normies like us, so to speak, there's gonna be a level of disconnect and mistrust and like, you know what, you're a celebrity, but we have nothing in common. You can sing, you're amazing, you're super talented, but we're not the same people. Unless people can go on and show that you're a real human being. And I do think that's a shift. So Ariana Grande, unless people can go on and show that you're a real human being. And I do think that's a shame. So Ariana Grande, you have to come on our show.

If you want to go on our show, Ariana Grande, you can. Or you're beautiful and no one is gonna love you. I really think, though, I do think a lot of fans of celebrities in general, it's about relatability, it's about connecting. It's not about like the old Hollywood playbook would be, do a film, do a press tour, disappear. I don't think that's the way it is these days.

And I think we're having a lot of fun talking about this, but I do think they come across as out of touch and disconnected people who are so self-absorbed with their own talents. I will say I did hear both of them on a podcast and they were both great on the podcast. Thank you. So. I love them so and they were both great on the podcast. So.

I love them so much. They can do no wrong for me. Yeah. I've been entertained. I've been entertained. You're experiencing theater kids. It is. Being theater kids.

Did y'all see our animatics and the Thanksgiving day parade? And she was lip syncing. They all do. They all do. That's like what they do on a float. Yeah. They all do.

Did you see like Dasha was- Everyone was lip syncing. Billy Porter came out and he was dancing and looking wonderful and performing and zero chance he was singing. It was like not possible. I mean, it was like... His mic was away from his lips.

Yeah, and he's like doing flips and running around and no sign of like breathing heavy or like being tired. Like it's raining out, it's a parade. Leave these performers alone. I will say for her instance, I think a lot of the Broadway performances do actually perform, right? So I think when she came out and she,

from my knowledge, she didn't sing a Broadway song and then she was lip syncing. So it was very much like- Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo performed all of their songs live in the movie. That's true. Good for them. Yeah, and they had years of practice and pre-production.

She sang the Cardigans classic Love Fool. Yeah, so it wasn't even Broadway. Ariana Maddox performed on her own float for the Thanksgiving Day parade. It was iconic. That was an amazing moment for her. It was incredible. For a reality TV star, someone who's been mostly known

for being an ensemble cast and quite frankly, one of the least compelling characters for much of her time on Banner Pump until Scandival happened. It is incredible what she's been able to do with this. And now she is performing at the Macy Thanksgiving Parade. I don't give a fuck if she lip synced or not. Most, three fourths, probably 90%, most of these people,

of these people who've performed their whole lives are lip syncing. It's a parade. And I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing.

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I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the main thing. I think that's the be lip syncing. Imagine singing the same song. I thought they just perform at the end. I think there's like one part where it's like filmed for TV, but like for the most part, they go through the parade route and you're hearing the same songs. Cut my mic, I'm lip syncing with everything. Exactly. I'm sorry.

Yes. She crushed it. It was clearly her singing, just, you know, she just sang it maybe a couple hours earlier and maybe she had a couple takes and it was fun. In the studio. Yeah, good for her. We also watched Dancing with the Stars finale.

Congratulations, Joey. I don't think people appreciate how big of an accomplishment this was for Joey. The Bachelor winning Dancing with the Stars, first of all, it's never happened. Has it never happened? No, not even close. I think every other Bachelor before him

has always gone home right around the same time, give or take a week or two. And Joey won amongst a very competitive group of other stars and finalists. Like he dominated, that was great. Even despite what did Carrie Anne and Ava say that it was very underwhelming. From what I've learned, Carrie Anne is just, she's a walking sound bite of ruining people.

She's like a tinnitus. She just closes her eyes and speaks. Let me ruin your day. I think it's more funny that like the audience acts like Carrie Anne's doing something terrible. Yeah. She's making headlines for sure. But like Kelsey responds to Carrie Anne.

It's just like, it's dancing with the stars people. It's not that serious. It's not that serious. Let's dance, stop talking. But I'm happy for Joey, because he seems like he really loved dancing like when he came here and how he just like, it's dancing with the stars, people. It's not that serious. It's not that serious. Let's dance, stop talking. But I'm happy for Joey, because he seems like he really loved dancing like when he came here and how he's like, I wanna continue to dance even after I'm off the show.

Either way, I mean, he crushed it. And it's really cool because Jenna's husband, Val, won last season. That is cool. The mirror ball stays in the Trimofsky household. That's cool. Then after we watched Joey win, Natalie and her niece,

Your niece. Our niece, Scarlett, decided to put on my dancing with the Stars experience. Aw. Because I told Scarlett that Nick was on it and she was like, what? And I was like, because it was her idea to turn on Dancing with the Stars.

She, I guess, is watching it. And I was like, yeah, Nick was on it. And she was like, what do you mean, for like an it. And I was like, yeah, Nick was on it. And she was like, what do you mean? For like an episode? And I was like, no, for the season. Like he was a contestant. And she was like, like an extra? And I'm like, no, like he was competing.

The faith in uncle. She's like, like a background dancer. I'm like, we'll get there soon. Was he a body double? They put him on TV? Which performance was it? No, she watched them all. We watched all of them.

So there was a compilation on YouTube of all of his dances. Which I've never seen before. Obviously Vanessa was in some of the clips. You were like, clips, yeah. And the one where Nick went up and kissed her, Scarlett was like, I just have to say, I'm really confused.

I don't understand. And I was like, that was his fiance. She's like, I thought you were his fiance. I'm like, I know, it's too confusing. I'm sorry. But the big takeaway was I don't look like that anymore. Strange the passage of time. Are we happy?

I was like in a good or bad way. Well, depends who you're asking for sure. If you're asking Natalie, someone needs to get in the gym. And I gotta say, I appreciate the shame. He was ripped. I mean, absolutely ripped. Oh, that's not where I thought this was going.

No, he was. Where did you think it was going? I thought you were like, I don't look like that anymore in like a good way. Not like a. No, no, no, like he was absolutely ripped, shredded, had been in the gym probably every hour of every day. Not really.

And now he's like kind of sporting a little dad bod, which like I'm not against. It's like, you know. She's against. Well, I'm not. It's just like interesting how like all the women before you get like super ripped shredded Nick and I get like dad bod Nick, I give you a baby.

And literally I'm working to get my body back and you're like, well, I'll have the crackle oat brands at night every night. I just want to put it out there before you come after my wife. I appreciate the shame. I ran yesterday. Nick thrives in shame. Yeah, I thrive with.

Yes, I'm fine with it. Is your dancing with the stars body just like in the back of your head and you're like, I will run to this. Well, listen, the reality is, I am older. That's true. I have a little less energy. That's also true. but I have some bad habits that I have to eliminate from my life.

The six popsicles at night. There's way too much. I was not eating the same amount of cereal that I have today. Cereal bowls is gnarly. It's the lime popsicles from home. If I could get rid of those lime popsicles and the cereal, watch out. Did you give up your cookies?

Cookies. Aren't you an Oreo man? Well, that's, now he's buying them. I had some cookies over the holidays because there were a package in the pantry and at the farm for sure. You're saving them, don't waste it. He also ate a little Debbie Christmas tree. They were out.

Oh, those are good. I know. And they were the extra large size. You gotta. If you put them out. Yeah, eating stuff you're not supposed to eat and then hating yourself and your body is a natural part of the holidays

that everybody experiences. We all experience it. We all do, you have to. If not, what would the holidays be for? Yeah, but it is time for dad to get in shape, for sure. After watching those videos, I was like, God damn, I was really good shape. Did you learn how to flip?

No. No flips. No flips. Slips are scary. There's still room to improve. No. No flips. No flips. That's just scary. There's still room to improve. No flicks, but he did have a shaved face for Pinocchio and that was probably just as shocking as a flip would have been.

So. And? Huh? How's my face? Oh honey, you've always had a great face. I just do prefer the beard. I would also not prefer a beard on Jacob Elordi, but you know, he tends to not care

about anyone's opinion, but his own. Is it for a movie role? I think so. It's the only way I justify it in my head. Well, first of all, he's literally maybe the only man alive who looks marketably better without a beard. Oh, well, me too. I look worse with a beard.

I wouldn't know, Justin. And you won't know. I'm not gonna grow it. But he was hot and he's attractive now. He's gone for, let's just grow it out and see what happens beard. Bushy. It needs to be tapered a little, trimmed.

He's got a little redness in his beard. So it's like, are you now, are you? It's not full. No. And he's doing different with his hair. It's just a lot of things at once that I feel like we weren't ready for. Is he playing George Harrison or no?

I know that he is. No, I think he is. That's why I said it's a lot of things that Juan said I feel like we weren't ready for. Is he playing George Harrison or no? I know that he is. No, I think he is. Which is devastating. Why? Jacob Elodie is George Harrison? I mean, I don't, who else? I don't know, not the guy from Euphoria. As the man, as Hare Krishna,

all things must pass George Harrison. He did great as Elvis. Yeah. Oh, that's right. I don't know. I'm just not huge on biopics. I will be seeing the Ringo one. I think that's going to be a lot of fun. Wait, aren't they just making a Beatles one? They're making four. Sam Mendes is making four different movies, all from each Beatles member perspective.

It's like the Avengers of biopics. Yeah. I'll definitely not be watching those though. I'll watch the Ringo. I'll watch Barry Keoghan as Ringo. But my pitch should be a Muppet movie. Have they come out with everyone who's playing? I think Paul Mascaw is George.

I like that. Barry is Ringo. I like that. Harris Dickinson is John Lennon. Oh, I like that. Harris Dickinson is John Lennon. Oh, I like that. And is Jacob Elordi George? I'm not entirely sure. Is Tyler Cameron playing one of them?

He could. Because he could be doing that instead of leaking screenshots of text messages. That's true. That would be a much better use of this time. With his girlfriend. This is crazy. Obviously, we...

Well, I text Tyler on Thanksgiving wishing him a happy Thanksgiving. He didn't text me back, so. He was busy leaking screenshots. Yeah, he was busy posting his screenshots. I was unaware of this. Fuck the Beatles, I wanna hear about the screenshots. So, obviously we know Tyler, we know his sense of humor.

We know Tate, we know her sense of humor. Everyone else is very much reading into this while people around him or people who know them would like not, but he posted a screenshot of him and Tate's messages where he was like, is very much reading into this while people around him or people who know them would not. But he posted a screenshot of him and Tate's messages where he was like, don't go and get ice cream without your girlfriend or without inviting her. So he released a screenshot and Tyler wrote to Tate,

now you're mad again. And Tate said, I just don't understand why anything fun you don't want to do with me. Well, go to Riverside, have a fun night. Tyler said, we're getting ice cream. Are you kidding me? This is a fun moment. And he captioned the little screenshot,

don't go on a sweet treat run without your girlfriend lesson learned. And people are like saying, why would you post like an argument between you and your girlfriend while as like- Must not have been that serious. Clearly. And me reading that it's like me,

that's something I would say to Nick. If like Nick is like doing anything, I'm like, oh, you want to do that without me? Like you hate me. You don't love me. Like you just, you like, want to have so much fun without me. Like that's something that I think Tate and I, I think that's what a lot of women would probably like joke about. I'm going to go ahead and guess Tyler Camden didn't post an actual sincere, huge fight between him and his girlfriend. Right. I could be wrong. Right. And then he continued on the night with like scared to go back inside because like what am I gonna fake?

Yeah, because it's like, but he leaned in before the criticism hit. So it was like, clearly this wasn't like some big altercation. And it was like Thanksgiving and there was no like other stories and people were bored. People were really bored. Sitting on their couch, arguing with their family.

So they decided to Choose that. Go after Tyler Cameron. Yeah. Better than us. Yeah, truly, but he didn't they decided to. Choose that. Go after Tyler Cameron. Yeah. Better than us. Yeah, truly. But he didn't text you back, so I feel like that. That's true. That is more of a headline than this.

That is more of a headline. Right? Tyler Cameron ignores Nick Vowell. Tyler Cameron hurts Nick's feelings. Oh my God. Nick hasn't stopped crying since Tyler Cameron hurt his feelings. Hey, page six. I thought we were friends, question mark.

Well, as you guys know, we took last Thursday off, so we did not have any NFL scores to review with you for our vibes versus stats segment, but fear not, we still have the segment brought to you by Wonderful Pistachios because Josh Allen and Hailey Steinfeld got engaged in poi, as there's some drama. Wonderful Pistachios with no shells comes

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and kicked my ass in fantasy football, I was pretty pissed about that. 14 points in your fantasy football, not in the game. Because you were saying that last night, and I was like, no he didn't. It's bullshit, they gave him a passing and res, I don't even wanna get into it. In fantasy football.

But he is happily. Which is fake. Engaged to Haley Seinfeld, famously known for the Bumblebee movies, Transformers. No, pitch perfect, she also won an Oscar. Singing career, yes. She won an Oscar when she was little. At like 12, literally. Yeah, Transformers. No, Pitch Perfect, she also won an Oscar. Singing Courier, yes. She won an Oscar when she was little. Yeah, True Grit, and then also Across the Spider-Verse.

Spider-Gwen. She also did Bumblebee. But Bumblebee is one of her smaller roles, I would say. What are you talking about? It was probably one of her highest grossing films. I don't think so. Across the Spider-Verse. Pitch Perfect.

How much money did Bumblebee make versus Pitch Perfect? But she didn't make money. There's no way that Pitch Perfect. Nick said pull it up. Pull it up. Also didn't the first Spider-Verse movie win an Oscar? What is Spider-Verse? It's the cartoon Spider-Man. Yeah, Sony's like cartoon Spider-Man movie.

They're really, really good, I will say. And she plays Spider-Gwen. Say it out loud, Jesson. I will say. Say it out loud, Jesson. Bumblebee made 468 million worldwide. Is that a lot? And Pitch Perfect 2 made.

She was in three. Well, just in the US. She was in two and three. She came in two. Okay. But in two. Let's combine them and see if it'd still be Bumblebee. She's booked and busy is all we're saying.

And we're very happy for her. Nick's saying that Bumblebee was her highest grossing movie. I'm just saying, known for being in Bumblebee. You know what, Pitch Perfect two and three made around the same amount. Around the same amount. But I think people know her from not Bumblebee,

they know her from like Pitch Perfect or the movie that she won an Oscar for. She is literally multi-talented. Yeah. Men know her from Michael Bay. Originally, you guys know her from Pitch Perfect. Bumblebee, I believe, I didn't know her from Bitch Perfect. Bumblebee, I believe, I think it was directed by a woman,

according to my roommate, Cade, who loves Transformers. Oh, really? And that's his favorite Transformers movie. She also has a successful music career, too. She does. She is very, she is very well- She played Emily Dickinson. Very iconic.

Yeah, she did. In a show with Jane Krakowski, generational talent. I love running to her song. I love me. Yeah. I love myself. You love like- And I don't need to. He like loves music from a certain time period. Yeah, he does. I love me. I love myself. You love like, he loves music from a certain time period. He does. I love it. It's on the same playlist.

2014. Oh, yeah. I am picking up my stride when Hailey comes on. I am really, that's my like, that's how I finish my run. I love me for me or whatever it's fucking called. And I don't need anybody else. I don't need anybody else, Hailey. No. I forgot about that song. It's a great, great song. I'm right here. You don't need anybody else. I don't need anybody else, Hailey. No. I forgot about that song. It's a great, great song. I'm right here. You don't need anybody else? Dorit maybe? No!

So Josh Allen is quarterback of Buffalo Bills and he is now engaged to Hailey Steinfeld. And there was a little bit of drama going on because Josh's ex-girlfriend, who like ex-girlfriend of like high school, of college, of beginning of NFL career, of like recently of like 2023? She's been around.

I think what's important to remember, especially knowing that she was the high school college girlfriend, she's the one that thought she was gonna get the ring. Oh, she put up with a lot, you know? Hell yeah. That's a lot of like, you know, she definitely thought she paid her dues. But she didn't rebuild Bumblebee.

She didn't, she didn't gross $400 million. She did not gross $400 million. She wasn't in an a cappella group. So then they announced that they are engaged and there was a comment of someone trolling his ex-girlfriend saying like, haven't found the next pro athlete yet. And she allegedly responded with, luckily my boyfriend owns a team and doesn't play for one, don't have to be with another brain dead CTE athlete.

And then posted on her story, my accounts have been hacked several times tonight, trying to get it resolved. If anyone has any tips, please let me know. How many followers does she have? Is she big enough to be bad? I think she is like an influence. Okay. trying to get it resolved, if anyone has any tips, please let me know. How many followers does she have? Is she big enough to be bad? I think she is like an influence.

Okay. That would be the day that you would hack somebody. It is deaf, I see both sides. Ooh. I think that we've all been there. Every woman has been there. I can't speak for men, cause I'm not one. But where you're like, your ex moves on,

and you're like, I need to be petty, and you ask your friend, you ask someone to comment, you get on your fake account and you go look at someone's story, you do some FBI investigation, you would never do that on your own. Are you kidding? That's a crazy thing for her to write out. And there's just no way. I mean, in the spirit of Gina from OC,

sometimes you forget to log out of... Sometimes you do forget to log out of your main account. Do you think she MediPru did it? No. I think she did it. There's no way. That's how many Instagram posts? Conveniently it was hacked right then.

That is a crazy thing. NFL fans are crazy. It's a crazy thing for her to have messaged that, knowing what she was saying. There's petty and then there's talking about brain damage. Yeah. Yes, I agree with that. But who's hacking someone's account

to then just respond to something about the rest? NFL followers. That's also a good point. NFL fans are insane. NFL fans are insane. We're talking about gambling. We're talking about people who have literally bet their kids college savings,

they've bet their mortgage and lost. Jim Perjanti's husband. And now they've. But to kind of, sorry, to piggyback off of Justin though, where I'm like, is it possible that maybe in a fit of rage or being upset, and it's Hailee Steinfeld, the whole thing, that maybe she wrote something out

and then like all of a sudden got flooded with all of these death threats and whatnot and was like, I got hacked? Because we're not really hearing a lot of celebrity accounts getting hacked. It is highly coincidental that. The timing. The timing is like, I got hacked. Because we're not really hearing a lot of celebrity accounts getting hacked. It is highly coincidental that- The timing. That the timing is like, why Josh Allen's girlfriend?

Allen's ex-girlfriend gets hacked? Well, maybe somebody like Nick had a really rough fantasy game with Josh Allen. They were pissed and they wanted him to suffer. So they went through her. I honestly wanted to hack Josh Allen's account last night after they gave him a 14 point play in fantasy football. And I wanted to say something terrible and mean,

but I didn't. I will say me and his ex-girlfriend have a mutual friend. Okay. And our mutual friend posted on her story, cause these two events happen separately, like the proposal and then I think like a couple days later, or whatever the post happened, the comment happened. So our mutual friend posted a screenshot of her

and the ex-girlfriend's text, the day that the engagement was announced. So before this comment ever happened and said like, "'Hey babe, just checking on you, are you okay?' And she was like, "'Thank you so much for checking on me, I'm great. I've actually known about this for a few weeks now.'" So she had time to process it, she'd known about it.

So for then her to turn around and write a crazy ass comment a few days later. That's true. It doesn't add up. Didn't she quote unquote double down in the comments, allegedly coming from the same person who hacked her account? I haven't seen that, no. There's only one comment then, the CTE comment? I just know of the CTE one.

I think she got hacked. Yeah, I do too. Okay. It is a wild thing for an influencer to be saying. No, it's crazy. CTE brain damage is like an insanely mean thing to say. With somebody that you have had such a long-term relationship with, too. Right?

To wish that, yeah. I definitely think she got hacked, too. Thank you, Wonderful Pistachios, for sponsoring this segment of The Vile Files. Visit wonderfulpistachios.com to learn more. You know what'd be iconic is I wanna see Nick host a panel at BravoCon or BravoFest. Right? Yes.

Nick would eat. The people would be like, I actually don't wanna go to that panel. I'll be skipping because they would be held. I think they would be just like held. They would have to answer the questions. They would be like, I don't wanna do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the cast.

They'd be like, he has actual questions. My Andy's good. It'd be the podcast. Yeah, Andy's good, but the other, I don't know who else. Well, because Rachel Lindsay had a panel too. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, she did great.

No, she did great. I saw, I saw a clips of her. She did good. Why'd you say oh? No, she did good. I'm just fucking around. But I'll give us a rapid run through of everything that happened at Bravo Fan Fest,

which first of all, why did it happen the weekend before Thanksgiving? Yeah, that is strange. The girls gotta eat before the people can eat. Was it also in Vegas? No. Like it's Miami. No, so they took a pause this year

and that's why they're doing like Fan Fest in Miami and they're like the little screeners here and there in every city. But okay, I'll give you a rapid run through. So, Bronwyn Newport reposted a video of Andy Cohen skipping over Heather Gay in a group hug. Yikes. Iconic. Was it on purpose?

Was it for a moment? Was it to create some noise? It was giving, he was excited to see everybody, but somehow conveniently skipped Heather Gay. But Brawnwen reposted it being like, you skipped me, so. Brawnwen's being messy? I was gonna say, but Heather did the exact same thing to Brawnwen. So that's like Brawnwen.

So then I was like, was it a little play, like a little cheeky? Lisa Barlow feels underappreciated on Salt Lake City. Of course she does. But she's iconic for that. Meredith Marks defended her Audrey Hepburn bangs. I think those were invincible. How did she defend them?

She was just like. She committed to the bit. She didn't apologize for that. She basically said, why isn't everyone else wearing clip on bangs? Bronwyn was, but she didn't acknowledge that. And she was like, I was the one that committed to the bit. And I was like, babe, that's how they look.

Yeah, it's not the bit, it was... It was the way that they were on the back of your neck. Yeah, literally, literally. Meredith, I think you looked wonderful. Kyle Richards bumped into Lisa Vanderpump recently, and Lisa is friendly-ish, is what she said. So Lisa won't hug Kyle. Oh, goodbye, Kyle.

But she'll just be like, hi. Why won't she hug her? Because Lisa and Kyle Richards had a falling out and then Lisa Vanderpump left Beverly Hills. Can't they get over it? Well, Lisa Vanderpump can't according to. Lisa wants all of us to forgive Tom Sandoval, which to be clear, I think people should get over that too.

But if she expects the cast of Vanderpump to show Tom Grace then she should lead by example. Should she not? LVP, if you're listening. LVP. I do think she should lead by example. Should she not? LVP, if you're listening. LVP. I do think she's a little problematic. She's more than a little problematic.

Oh, for sure. Andy Cohen responded to whether Teddy should return to Beverly Hills. Before I say what he said, what do you think? No. What's your response and what do you think he said? No. Bring it on.

I think she should, absolutely. Bring it on, bring the mess on. Well, so the audience member asked him the question. Teddy works for that paycheck. She does. A little desperately. Yeah, I was gonna say, she's been working for that paycheck and she still hasn't gotten it for three years. Teddy works for that paycheck. She does. A little desperately. Yeah, I was gonna say, she's been working for that paycheck and she still hasn't gotten it for three years.

I don't know, desperate housewives. She got a one episode. With Teddy Mellon Cam. Well, basically the whole audience booed. So, they got answers. Exactly, the whole audience had a strong opinion about Teddy. So they would all tune in to watch. And that's what we care about.

There you go. Well, so Andy Cohen basically to summarize it was like, well, the crowd isn't enthusiastic. But then he was like, I don't understand why people made her to be the villain, why people hate her that much. Like we're not casting right now, but like we never know. I think Teddy Mellingcamp should replace Garcelle.

And I think Garcelle should focus on her acting and producing and being the iconic bad bitch that she is because she doesn't have time for real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I literally forgot that she was on this season. I'm offended. Well, I'm just saying she was nowhere in this episode. Where was she?

That's called icon behavior. She doesn't need to be in every episode and we still love her. Do we though? I do. I do. But no one talked. I'm indifferent about her. She wasn't, no one like talked.

It's like, oh, you're here. Yeah. But no one talked about her. I'm indifferent about her. She wasn't, no one talked. Oh, you're here. Yeah. She's not bringing anything to the season yet, and maybe there's more to come, but right now, first two episodes, it's like we're not really getting much from ourselves.

I think her presence brings enough. What does it bring? It brings. Fabulousness. It brings girlboss, it brings representation, it brings me and Son are best friends when you wouldn't think we would be best friends. Why wouldn't we think they're best friends?

Well, because Miss Fancy Pants, like not to rehash her storylines, but her original storylines were a little problematic. Garcelle, as she is, like doesn't tolerate people that aren't inclusive. We'll leave it at that. Speaking of Royal Halls as Beverly Hills, guess where I'm going tomorrow night, tonight.

Kathy Hilton's Christmas party? Tomorrow night, go tonight. Kathy Hilton. Is it? Technically tonight. Is it? No, dammit.. Kathy Hilton's Christmas party? Tomorrow night, go tonight. Kathy Hilton. Is it? Technically tonight. Is it? No. Damn it.

Crystal Minkoff's Christmas party. Whoa. Wait, that's iconic too. Right. Are you staying home? No, it's- It's a girls only. It's girls dinner.

And she was like, I need to know who's coming because I'm getting things personalized. So I need to know who will be there. This isn't a party, this is a dinner. I will be coming for the personally Chanel bag, of course. Is there gonna be caviar? I don't know, drinks are at 630 dinners at 730. If there's caviar and you guys do-

At a private residence. Caviar bombs? I will not be doing that, I don't eat caviar. Honestly, it doesn't taste like anything. You can put it on a small spit on a cracker and just swallow it whole. A little creme fiche? You won't even know. I'm not doing that. Maybe you can put it on a, put it the smallest bit on a cracker and just swallow it whole. You won't even know. Maybe you gotta fit in with the, you gotta fit in.

You have to do a body. The amount of dresses that I've tried on for this event. Okay. Event. Crystal knows how to throw a party. There's gonna be some, there's gonna be some big, there's gonna be some big names there. She knows people.

She knows. And to that point, why not bring Crystal back instead of Teddy? That's what I was thinking. Well, because I think Crystal has moved on to Crystal has. She has. I agree with that point, why not bring Crystal back instead of Teddy? I was like, okay. Well, because I think Crystal has moved on to... She has. I agree with that too, but... If you see the plane from Stuart Little,

can you tell me how big it is? And how, like, little Stuart Little must have been in real life? Sure. Okay, wait, last thing from Bravo Fan Fest that I think is worth talking about. So, Sierra from Summer House, she was talking about the traitors, and she called the gamers sociopaths, they're crazy people. that I think is worth talking about. So Sierra from Summer House, she was talking about the traitors and she called the gamers sociopaths,

they're crazy people. Referring to herself included or everyone else but her. The gamers. She said gamers, she's talking about like big brother people, survivor people. Oh, okay.

They identify themselves as gamers because they go on this show and they're playing quote unquote games. Which I agree, after seeing how they played MJ last season, I was like, oh, these people are. It's a different breed. I think it's, no, I think it's what it is,

it's a different show. I think you have people like Sierra who come from Bravo, Housewives, you know, of Summer House, Assemble Cast, drama, drama, drama, and then you have Big Brother people where it's like, guys, this is not that serious, we're playing a game here. But Bravo people, they don't play games. They go on there and they're attacking

each other's character and then shows like us go on there and judge and have opinions and then we have Sierra and West and they break up and it's all messy and all these people are getting just hardcore criticisms from fans and then they go on to these shows where people are deliberately lying and manipulating and quote unquote, stabbing people in the back.

And I think people like Sierra have been affected, or just like basher people. When basher people or bravo people, you're like, you can't say shit like that because people are gonna fucking hate you for this. And they're like, I think the gamers are like, we're playing a game, calm down. And I think you have two different perceptions

of what this show should be. I mean, Traders is a game. I think the Sears of the world, or the people who are from Bachelor World are so like traumatized by the shows that they come from. They don't know how to just loosen up and just play the game, so to speak, for fear of, you know, a bad edit,

or fan criticisms, or things like that. I think the gamers are just, they wanna come on and play a game. I don't think it's that serious. Sam, I also think that it's like from like a Housewives Bravo background, it's like you're filming more of like a docu-series of day in the life kind of,

where I'm like people going on Survivor, it's like their program to be strategic and to make moves. So then it's like the Housewives and Bravo people are like, whoa, you guys are crazy. You guys, you said this, but then you meant this. And it's like, no, that's part of the game. Whereas like summer house, you're supposed to find the person that's lying to you or out them or whatever.

The word strategy in like bad chernation. You can't say it. Oh my, you might as well. You're evil. Pack your bags. You're here for the wrong reasons. Literally. You're a bad person.

Your journey has come to an end. So the idea is that someone's thinking out of the box and being strategic is like, I don't think you can do that, man. You're supposed to be authentic. Which I think going to that point, she also said that the people are coming for your personality.

Hopefully people don't hate me after the traitors. This is an insane game. I think she's just very worried. I think she's gonna be fine. It's traitors. I think we just game. I think she's just very worried. I think she's gonna be fine, it's traitors. Like we just, it's not that big of a deal. She did say Tom Sandoval has more drama than Dorinda. I believe that.

I believe that too. I mean, Dorinda is a walking drama creator. We are gonna see Tom Sandoval yell at a woman at some point. Probably. I am gonna call her dude. Dude, dude, dude. Well, to that note, Schwartz and Sandy's is closing.

No. And this came. I never went. I am. I don't give a shit. I don't wish them ill. Yeah, I was a little sad. Were you like going and supporting their business?

We went once. Once. And then they had cherry ketchup and I was like. Can't go back. They have nice snapbacks. Nice hats. They do have nice hats. Yeah, I'm not happy that it closed.

I don't wish them out. Did they announce why that they're closing? It was a lot of like, we just are choosing different. It was very PC. So this came out days before we found out ultimately that Vanderpump is not returning with the OG cast. So I project that I think it was attached to that. But essentially they were saying like,

this was a business venture that was good. Like our hearts were attached to it, but we're like moving forward onto whatever. And like, thank you to the staff and everybody. And then it was also tied to like reality TV kind of had an effect on our business. Did Tom Sandoval say anything? Well, yeah. So they each had theirs. So Sandoval's was essentially what I just said, but he ended up with saying like,

the allure of being associated with reality TV has hidden what it is, an amazing spot and location for LA locals. I highly recommend you check us out, especially if you haven't yet, let us together one last time. So it's like, Oh, so they're doing like a one last night and he's trying to get the people. Well, and he's attaching it to like the allure of reality TV is what like ruin their business, I guess.

I mean, it did. His girlfriend left a comment on it too, saying that like, she was trying to get signage for the center because where it's located is in a corner, in a back corner, back alleyway of Franklin Village. It's not primary. Yeah, so if there's no sign, you don't know that it's there. And if you're not a fan of the show, you don't know it's there.

If only they had sign. Things would be a lot different. She was blaming the owners or whoever else, part owners of Shorts and Sandy saying that if they would have just let her buy the signage with her own money, it would be a lot different. She was blaming the owners or whoever else, part owners of Shorts and Sandy saying that if they would have just let her buy the signage with her own money, it would have done well. She's such a hero.

She really is. Honestly. She's a wild girlfriend. Yes. Do we think someone hacked the Vanderpump Rules producers to release a statement that they were not bringing back the cast? I think that's legit.

I thought you were gonna ask if someone hacked Chris and Cavallari's podcast. She hacked her own podcast. Honestly, she's doing the Lord's work. She's giving us receipts. Should we talk about that one too? Let's get into it. She's messy.

Well, okay, so basically Scott Disick slid into Chris and Cavallari's DMs. First of all, what does she refer to the Kardashians as? The Kardashian's. Kardashian's. The Kardashian's. On purpose. She does not like them.

Okay. That's such a, I love Kristin. That is such a 2014 ass thing to say. Beautiful, beautiful work. The Kardashian's. It's vintage. It's vintage. Vintage Kristin.

So here's the thing though, because I feel like Scott Disick was kind of being wholesome with the way he slid in, but the way she proposed it and leaked it to her podcast. Oh my God, it was the most manipulative text I've ever heard of by. Okay, maybe, so let's read it. So for context, on her podcast, she read out the DMs on Loud.

Natalie, do you wanna read it? Do we have them? It started because she had been kind of like, Kristin's been doing this thing where she's reading old headlines of herself from years and years ago. She's been doing this thing where she's just being messy she's like, she's debunking these headlines. She's making headlines. So she's like, I-

She's making headlines while debunking headlines. Clearly, she was like, I've never like looked at this stuff, but you know, like this, most of these headlines are lies, whatever she was like, and now it's time for me to like tell you the truth about them. So she's kind of like some of the stuff about the Kardashians have come up, whatever. And it was like, Kris Jenner sent Scott Disick in

to be like, cause Kristen and Scott used to be like best friends. Like she knew Scott before he was dating Courtney. Okay. Like she became friends with Courtney through Scott because her and Scott were so close, like that's, it's a whole thing. So she was like, I know Kris Jenner sent his ass to me to like silence me. And he sent her a DM being like, Hey! Three exclamation points.

It's been such a long time. It's crazy. Kind of crazy how our lives ended up being kind of similar. I feel like it would be so good to see you and catch up and talk about the things you've got to go through with kids and changing your life around over and over. I really miss you though. And wish I would have reached out earlier. Just been busy trying to be the best dad I can be.

I don't have time for much, but trying to think about myself a little bit again. Trying anyway. Hope to hear from you. Just text me so it's easier to chat. That's a crazy manipulative text. But it's also giving like 50 year old man. When did he reach out? And what's the timing?

This was like after Kristen started talking about some of the like Kardashians and. Yeah, okay, yeah. Scott is known to be sent in as a pawn for Kris Jenner's. Scott's a weapon. Yeah. And Scott doesn't understand why Christian felt the need to read something he felt was a personal message

between them out to the entire world. He also doesn't understand why Natalie Joy just read it on the Valfos. Scott was being genuine and didn't see what the big deal was to reach out and see if Kristen wanted to catch up. He's really surprised by the way she reacted and didn't see that coming at all.

Scott feels like she could have declined or even ignored the message if she wasn't interested. Well, who is that speaking for Scott? Why isn't Scott speaking? Scott feels, Scott thinks, Scott's this. Why isn't Scott just literally? Chris was the insider. I wanna say I love Scott.

No, love Scott too. He's incredible. He's hilarious. But part of me thinks that he's just a 50 year old man that doesn't, I mean, he was younger back then, but like he doesn't know how to send a DM. I think he's like 41. But like this is giving like,

the DM is giving not manipulative, without the context, without the context. The amount of like young women he's dated, this man is not like some old fart that's like out of social media. He knows how to slide in a DM. And he does not realize he is messing with Kristen. Kristen.

Vintage Kristen. Vintage Kristen. Crazy Kristen with love. She's got guts. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, guilty. We rest the case.

That's funny. I've heard she's got quite the roster of famous exes. She never dated him. They never did anything together. They were just friends. I'm just saying. I just, I don't, just. She never dated him. They never did anything together. They were just friends. I'm just saying, I just, I don't just. Nick Lachey, remember when she dated Nick Lachey right after Jessica Simpson?

No. I don't remember. Wow. It's like, I do when she said it, but like, no. Oh my God, that was huge. After Jessica Simpson? After Jessica Simpson divorced. Like, and then everyone, everyone was like, she was just saying this in her podcast.

She was like, I would get on a red carpet and they would be like, she's stealing Jessica Simpson's pose and it was like, hand on the hip. It's like, what are you supposed to do on a red carpet? Well, it also shows how crazy like people are because there was the whole idea of a crossover between Vanessa and Jessica. And then Kristin's like, I was here.

It happened. Yeah. She's like, if there was a crossover, it was with me, mother fucker. And no, I did not steal her pose. That is crazy. No, yeah, Kristen, honestly, I need her to write a tell-all book or movie.

I need a biopic of Kristen Cavallari. Yes. But forget the Beatles. We don't need that. Literally. We need Kristen Cavallari. What did the Beatles ever do that Kristen Cavallari didn't? Yeah, thank you.

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Well, I think everybody's gonna watch the first episode. We're gonna watch the first episode, we'll give it a shot, we will judge it, we will probably not like it at first. I swear to God, if Lisa comes in and pretends this isn't a TV show and fake fires her cast, I'm gonna be so fucking pissed. Well, she's the only one that's staying.

Everybody's gone except her. Could you imagine the opening scene of the first episode is just her having everybody come'm gonna be so fucking pissed. Well, she's the only one that's staying. Everybody's gone except her. Could you imagine the opening scene of the first episode is just her having everybody come in and be like, all right, so you're fired? You're fired? It's like Nightmare on Elm Street 4, and they just kill all the cast members halfway through and bring in an entire new cast.

Yeah. I just do not need Lisa Vanderpump's mentorship. Oh, you know that's why she's doing it. She's gotta give herself a bigger role because this last cast has pushed her out. do not need Lisa Vanderpump's mentorship. Oh, you know that's why she's doing it. She's gotta give herself a bigger role because this last cast has pushed her out. Well, the thing is too is I'm like- How is this different than Vanderpump Villa?

It's not. Location. It's just, it's absurd, but like- Villas in- One's on Bravo, one's on Hulu. Bruns, Bruns, yes. The thing is though, Vanderpump Rules was iconic because of its cast.

Like people loved Katie, Ariana, all of them, but like you get rid of them, it's just Vanderpump Villa, which wasn't that big. Well, the big question is, is this cast gonna be willing to go there? Yeah, they have big shoes to fill. I have heard some storylines that might happen and they do sound wild, but it also sounds like fabricated.

Are they actually friends? This is the thing, I think that's what made Vanderpump so- They're all coworkers, but are they actually friends and like are they also pursuing other things than just to be on Vanderpump? So that's the thing that a lot of people work at, sir, because they love the show and wanted to hopefully maybe get on the show. So like, now you're going to have a cast of people that wanted to be on the show that actually made it on the show. Right. And the beauty of the first two seasons is that they're all aspiring actresses, musicians, models. Yeah. So it's like, we get to see the delusion of Hollywood.

Plus working at a restaurant. So it's like, I don't know. That's like magic that I don't know that you can recreate unless it's special sauce. Also you did that with Vanderpump Villa. Why do we need it with Vanderpump rules? Like I feel like there was no point in doing a third reboot at that point, you know?

I think she's just not gonna let that contract, let that money go, you know? So we're gonna see what happens. And hopefully it is good. And it's still called Vanderpump rules, or is it Vander, it's still- They're just for the next season recasting the whole- That's what I'm saying, are we starting at season one,

or are we gonna call this season 13? You know what is funny though? Peter still works at Sir, so he's the only one that survived. Good for him. Peter will come in as the elder. Whatever happened to Peter's streaming service? Remember he was gonna start his own bachelor show.

Yeah. The reality TV network. Yeah, he had his own like Roku channel or something. We haven't heard of it, so I'm assuming. It went with everyone else's dreams. He was buying the shows that were made that never made it to TV is what it was. Right. Yeah.

I'll have an update for you next week. Kristen is pregnant. Yeah, congratulations. This makes me happy. Kristen Doty is pregnant. Kristen Doty, not Kevallery. No, oh my God, can you imagine? Kristen Doty is pregnant. Kristen Doty is pregnant. Yeah, congratulations. This makes me happy. Kristen Doty is pregnant. Kristen Doty, not Cavalieri. No, oh my God, can you imagine? Kristen Doty is pregnant.

Kristen Doty is pregnant. It's so exciting. We actually ran into them, I think we actually talked about this when we ran into them at the park a while back. And I asked her, it was just me and her talking, and I asked her how trying was going. And she was like, I'm pregnant, don't tell anyone.

And she was like, I'm feeling sick, I don't feel good. And she was like just about to go to her first appointment. And so I was sending like the best of energies towards her. And I'm so happy to see that she has announced and everything is going well. And that is just so exciting for her. Yeah, this is her rainbow baby. Truly.

I love that she announced it the same, like right around the time they announced a Vanderpump being canceled. Iconic. Well, it's when they announced, they announced Sheena Shea, Tom Schwartz, and Lala Kent are gonna be in the Valley as like friend ofs. And she was like, well, I am pregnant.

Well, I have a secure job and I have a baby. I think it's two entirely different things, just coincidence. Oh, I'm so happy for her. It's an incredible coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences. Really? I believe that Kristin rose from the ashes

and is now. She did. A phoenix. Oh, or that too. It is kind of like a really full, complete circle of the show not being able to continue pretty much because of Scandival, like fallout. And then you have Kristin, the-

They thought she was gone. The original Tinder in the fire that would become Scandival. Being pregnant and being fine. And Tom Sandival just. Yeah. Well, the Valley has good storylines because Jasmine's also engaged now. Jasmine's engaged, Kristen's engaged, and she's pregnant. And then the whole Jackson-Brittany.

I think Zach has a partner on the season too. This is going to be a juice. And Michelle and Jessie's exes in her news. They were like the big drama at the end of that season and now we're like, don't even care. So much going on. So much going on. I can't wait.

It's very exciting. So that's kind of also what I'm hoping for the new season of Vanderpump. Cause remember we were all like, I don't know about the Valley. But it still had people that we loved on it. We loved Kristen. I was very know about the Valley. Like we're gonna try. But it still had people that we loved on it. That's true. We loved Kristen, we loved Brittany. I was very optimistic about the Valley.

Yeah. Yeah. Adults in their 30s trying, you know, with kids still trying to make it in LA. That's good. That's good stuff. I wanna see Janet fighting for her life because the audience turned on her.

Oh. That's what I wanna see. Fighting for her spot, cause Lala, Sheena, are coming. I already forgot that, yeah, come on. Janet. She's no longer pregnant. She might be kicked coming. I already forgot that, yeah, come on. Janet. She's no longer pregnant.

She might be kicked to the curb. This is the big leagues, Janet. Yeah. Also speaking of crazy drama, another season, Mom Talk. Oh my God, Mormon Lives. Will It Survive? Secret Lives of Mormon, why? Will It Survive?

They are working. Over time. They're clocked in. They're working over time. I love them so much. I know. It honestly, it's feeling a little forced, and it's feeling a little like we know what you're working. Over time. They're clocked in. They're working over time. I love them so much. I know. It honestly, it's feeling a little forced

and it's feeling a little like we know what you're doing. Taylor's. Because it is so. I still don't care. It's just so stupid and it's like season one of Roni. We're fighting about cheese. Like we're fighting about nothing. No, but I think it works for Mormon wise

because their mom talked, their TikTok. They're supposed to be like fabricated random pointless drama. So they're upset right now because Taylor Frankie Paul presented at the CMAs, which was huge. She was up there with, who was she with? I know she awarded Brooks and Dunn, which is like an insane.

That's a moment. That's a moment. Yeah, that's huge. And I remember seeing her like post her little photo dump of the CMAs and of course I follow a few of the moms and I like their comments obviously are like what I see at the bottom of the post. So I saw a few of them being like,

go girl, hell yeah, pop out, you know, whatever. And then a few days later, I see Taylor being like, no one was supporting me. No one from MomTalk was there. Like no one said anything. No one texted me. No being like, no one was supporting me, no one from MomTalk was there, like no one said anything, no one texted me, no one commented, no one was supporting, nothing. And I was like, babe, what? Like I literally saw them do that.

And then they're all responding being like, are you crazy? Like we definitely did, they're posting screenshots, they're posting like- Packs, group chats. I mean, it's like this whole thing. And it is, I think, still being drawn out to this day. And the CMAs were a month ago I mean literally what a Taylor well, so Michaela Michaela reposted her like dump and said wow what a woman

I strive to be her so incredible. She deserves a title of leader of mom talk and then Jesse post is that's way more than she should have had There I would have been I would have been like, thumbs up, white heart. Yes, queen said. Two hands up. Congrats, I would have abbreviated congratulations. Well, so they did more. So Jesse posted her DMs to Taylor.

So she responded to Taylor being like nobody commented whatever, whatever. And Jesse was like, Tay, I literally posted you on my story. "'Are you for real?' "'Also reposted your CMA TikTok "'and texted you the whole day you were there "'to support you.'" Maybe, did Taylor just reveal herself

to have all these ladies muted on Instagram? So maybe she didn't see their comments. That's what I'm thinking. Maybe. She was like, "'Yikes.'" She was like, "'Oh.'"

She was like, "'My assistant didn't tell me anybody liked my post.'" Anyways, there's a lot of comments, a lot of DMs. So maybe you're right. But they're still, they're still going. They're also still, I mean, I think Demi has still been posting on her story. And then like Taylor's back involved with the drama

of like the McKenna, the swath, soft swinging. They're like posting screen, they're posting videos of them like kissing. It is like honestly getting a little out of control. Even the dads are posting. They're doing posting screen, they're posting videos of them like kiss. It is like honestly getting a little out of control. Even the dads are posting. They're doing dad talk now. Yeah, her and Dakota. Love.

Even dad talk is falling apart. Actually, I do really enjoy Brad, Demi's husband. Should we join mom and dad talk like just from afar? They have one in LA or just people teasing it. Wait, can you just like splice the screen and just like do whatever they're doing in their dad talks?

What if we did that? Just mom talk adjacent? Potentially. I think we could, sure, maybe. Maybe. Start your own channel. Can you just like splice the screen and just like, do whatever they're doing in their dad talks? Just mom talk adjacent? Potentially. I think we could, sure, maybe. Start your own scene. I think it's gonna be a franchise thing. I think they're gonna do Secret Lives of LA Wives. So you can join.

I will not be doing reality TV, but that sounds fun. Beverly Hills. I'm locked and loaded with this show. So far so good with this season. I'm locked and loaded with this show. So far so good with this season. I'm drawn in, I'm entertained. Last season, Nick was like, I can't stand to read, like she is so this, she's so that, like Chanel, this, her outfits are insane.

And now that she's single, he wants to fuck her. And it's like the, it's just crazy. Don't protest too much, perhaps? It's crazy. It's strong, it's strong. She looks good though, episode two. It's strong or it's true, wouldn't it? Yeah, I think he said it's strong. That's strong. It looks good though, episode two. It's strong. It's true, wouldn't it?

Yeah, I think he said it's true. I think he's saying a little bit of both. I don't know. And it's up for interpretation. I definitely would not without your permission. Yeah. Yeah. Just kidding, absolutely not.

No, she actually, no, she does. Just kidding, us weekly. She looks very good in this episode. Dorit's definitely in her like, I'm reclaiming my narrative, like FPK, F Kyle, like I'm speaking for myself, because it's been like three seasons of me just being the friend of the punching bag.

Found her voice. Even to Garcelle, like I love Garcelle, but Garcelle was always punching Dorit down. So it's like. I mean, everybody was. Everybody was, yeah. So it's like, I think she's glowing because she's choosing herself. Yeah, yeah. And she's also getting was everybody was yeah, so it's like I think she's glowing because she's choosing herself

Yeah, yeah, and she's also getting the reactions from Kyle, and I think probably giving her an ego boost as well yeah, it's one of the most like famous narratives that everybody loves to see is a is a Divorced woman reclaiming her power like a sleigh divorcee Everyone's in support the glow up., that's true, we love. Like Princess Diana revenge dress, that's what Dorit's giving right now. And that little hat.

And I was definitely team Dorit versus the, in the flashback where Kyle tried to bring up a fight where like Dorit says, and like that was clearly made up. It's like you spilled tequila on her. Like her outfit's probably like $20,000, so she's like great. I was watching that BravoCon live and I was like, girl, those are two friends. Literally.

She's rewriting the history right now. She is. I'm like, you know it's on film, right? We are going to play it back. Here's the thing, because when Kyle, the drama that Kyle keeps referencing, or that Doree keeps referencing, I guess, is that when she said she exaggerated our friendship

and Dorit was like, we've been best friends for like years. Yeah, so we only did one friendly vacation. So for you in one second to be like, oh, she exaggerated it, like for you that's a one-off comment, but for me that's like, who am I? Discrediting our entire friendship. Yeah, who am I?

So that's why Dorit, like, I think has every right to be mad at Kyle. Oh yeah, I'm team Dorit the whole way and I've never really been the biggest fan of Dorit and she has won me over in two episodes. Yeah, even the first episode I was like, okay, don't back down and I'm never really been the biggest fan of Dorit and she has won me over in two episodes. Yeah, even the first episode I was like, okay, don't back down and I'm here for it. I'm also on her side of this entire divorce,

obviously, team women, but hearing PK be like, single PK, single PK, and we're not gonna talk every, we're not gonna talk. It's like, bro, you were just married yesterday and now like single PK. Your kids don't know your suffer. Single PK. Single PK. Single PK. Why would I have a man no outfit? single PK. Your kids don't know your stuff. Single

PK. Single PK. I went out for my new outfit. Single PK. What do you think? Hanging out with boy George. Yeah. It was crazy. It makes you wonder though, like hearing what Jeff Lewis said on our last episode of reality recap where it's like he heard things that DeRite was already checked out of the relationship and wasn't like going to the park and taking care of the kids. Like this is all Jeff Lewis saying that, but like maybe PK is so removed because he was already removed before, you know? Yeah, so I was gonna say, PK definitely wasn't taking them kids to the park.

Oh no, definitely not, yeah. On another note, I really, I liked Bozeman's background. Is it Bozema? It's Boz. It's Boz. Let's just say Boz. She, I'm already obsessed, she's a baddie. Yeah, she's obsessed with her.

And her story, oh my God. Again, everything parent-related, it touches me differently. Her- Husband. Was it her husband? Yeah. Do we know how he passed?

He had terminal cancer. He had terminal cancer. Jesus Christ. When she said that she was separated and then he got terminal cancer and then they reconciled. And then passed away a year later And then now she's, yeah. And then passed away a year later.

Yeah, but like, yeah, just as a young father, her child, you know, anyways, that's real loss right there. No, 100%. And then being able to like, I don't know what her life was like while that was all happening, but then to like provide this life for her daughter, like after going through such heartbreak is just,

She's been the executive and business woman of every single one. I loved it when she was like going over her accomplishments and awards and she's like, do you want me to go on? Should I go up three more? Three more. Yeah. But like that's a real housewife right there.

Yeah. Her house was housing too. Slippers. Her house was beautiful. Love that. Love that no shoes were allowed in her house. But I love that she provided something that wasn't like a booty. You know what I mean? She was like,

here's some lovely slippers for you guys. She put gold on her food. Yeah, where are my lovely indoor slippers? You wear them outside. So that defeats the purpose. But I don't have lovely indoor slippers. You have several. You have so many slippers and all of them you wear outside.

Wasn't it like Yeezy slippers? I need new slippers wear outside. So that they can wear them in their room. I need new slippers. Yeah, he has those. I need new indoor slippers. Are you gonna take them outside? No, are you gonna make me take out the trash? You have to put on different shoes to take out the trash. You have to put on your outside slippers.

Can you give me, yes, so then I need. Keyword, make me take out the trash. Exactly, exactly. You don't understand my plight. I think we can buy you a good pair of outdoor slippers. Yeah. Thank you. Maybe that'll be a good pair. No, I have the outdoor slippers.

That's what I'm saying. You know indoor. Oh, okay. You know outdoor slippers are, you know. Or you could wash the ones you brought outside so that they're indoor. No, I need indoor slippers. Question.

Are you guys a shoes on, shoes off household? Shoes off. We try to be a shoes off household. Yeah. Shoes off, but my boyfriend still wears them inside and I find them in random places and it drives me nuts. The second I hear the door open, I'm like, shoes off! Because he'll be like in the river's crib

with his shoes on in no time. And I'm like, well. Mine's shoe dependent. Listen, since I got this 12 in one steam mopper, I'm washing these floors once a week. She steams the floor one time and all of a sudden. 12 in one, what's the 12? No, it's three in one.

It mops, it vacuums, and it- Dries it? Steam cleans? No, it's three in one. It mops, it vacuums, and it- Drives it? Steam cleans? No, it sanitizes. Yeah. And before- What's the difference between cleaning and sanitizing? That's the thing, it's giving marketing for the third one, but yeah, this is cool.

But it's a steam cleaner. It still works, yeah. Right? So it's like hot, yeah. It's boiling hot water. That's the disinfectant. And it's sanitizing all those bacteria on the bottom of your boot.

Would you lick it before when you're done? The spot that I just did, I would, yeah. Okay. I would, but not, I would only do it if you did not wear shoes in the house after I mop. She needs a sponsor. So anyways, absolutely on Boza's side that she does that, and I love her for that.

If you can make three, take her shoes off. Don't walk barefoot in the house. Yeah, the Chanel mules, honey. Also, she has such a way of talking about herself that, like, doesn't seem conceited, but she's just very self-assured, because even when she was like, if I had a- She can back it up.

Yeah, exactly. The million. Well, I am a millionaire, but it's not this inferiority thing where you're like, okay, that makes me feel terrible about myself, it's like, no, I wanna be you when I grow up. She's very positive. I hate false humility. Yeah. I find false humility. Yeah.

I find it disgusting. If you've earned it, if you made it to the top, if you are a baddie, then be a baddie. Like, you don't have to brag about it. You don't walk into every room and be cocky, but like, you don't have to apologize for your success. Yes. You know, and she is certainly successful.

One, I feel like she presents it in an empowering way. Like, she uses herself to bring other people up. I also think there's a lot, there's a lot. From what we've seen, yeah. Fine, but either way, she doesn't. I don't need her to have some moral virtue or whatever in order to be proud of her accomplishments. But her name does mean goddess.

And I also feel like there's something in a name where I'm like, oh, she's living up to it. You know what I mean? The way that she just, it's just, I'm obsessed with her. I don't even have words, I'm just obsessed with her. I did come up with our second girl's name last night and Nick is not a fan.

Is it Boz? It's not Boz, no, but I did give it to him and I said, just think on it, don't say anything, just think on it and we'll talk about it. I'm gonna tell you right now, it's not gonna be it. Well I- Are you serious? Not because I'm saying no, but I just, I know we're gonna come up with a better name.

The way I'm dying to know now. The same way, the same way, you know, we liked, you know, Elliot Rose. And it was like, you know, it's good, it's good, it's good. Let's let it marinate. But this is just step one. Oh. Natalie, do you think?

I could be wrong, but. You're holding space, but you're not feeling power. Yes, I am, I'm willing to hold space, but yeah. Do you think I would like the name? Cause I like the creative names. It's not like that creative. I really don't like the middle part. Really?

Really don't. Oh, is it another body of water? No. Are we on the La La train? No. Cloud. It's a direction. North?

Oh. Yes. Northwest? Northwest. Northwest Kardashian vile. Yes. Northwest? Northwest. Northwest Kardashian Viall. Yes, exactly. Exactly. I also loved Cathy Hilton cosplaying an Amazon driver.

That was absolutely hilarious. She needs to be back on screen. She needs to be back on our screens. She's so funny. She really is. I also, I mean, I know that Kyle didn't appreciate it, but I like that she was so sisterly, just being like, and those pictures, loser. I know.

Like that's kind of what you need. Maybe laugh so hard. I mean, Mo taking down a picture of him and Kyle and putting up a picture of him and his Dancing with the Stars partner, Emma, is a choice. And do you remember all of the scuffle with that where they were seen outside holding hands together and all that where I'm like,

so that was like a direct punch to the gut. And it was to the gut. And it was around the separation. I'm sorry, Moe. I don't, oh, it was such a memorable experience. Come on, bro. You're a multimillion dollar power entrepreneur of one of the largest real estate agencies in the world.

You've been on TV for the better part of a decade, like act as if Mo. You know what I'm saying? It's also like post a photo on Instagram to like go out of his way to print a photo and then take out the photo of you and your wife and put in the new, you had to go to CVS, you had to print out and pick up that photo and then like that's so much extra work.

Like when you put a picture. You wanna undo the frame. It was a selfie? It was a selfie? You have to pick out the little sides. It's tactile. Those hurt under your nails. They're like metal little pieces you have to bend up.

Yeah, you can bleed. It's a lot, you can bleed. Either that or he had his assistant do like all of that. You know what I mean? And this wasn't a picture of Moe in like one of the many photographs that ABC will take while Mo would be performing.

Not a PR shot. It wasn't a PR, it wasn't like, this is me literally dancing on a dance floor. What a cool moment of my life. No, this was like a, look at us, we're cute together, photo that he decided to frame. Look at my new girlfriend. Also, so he doesn't live in the house,

but he came in the house and switched out the photo. Is this for TV? Is this all? It's TV, it's giving TV knowing that you chose. It's giving, yeah. I will say the timeline is a little confusing because the opening of the first episode was very much like, Mo's been out of the house.

So he came in just to switch the photo? And then it, yeah, so. Or it happened before maybe. I'll also say I appreciate where Sutton is coming from with the whole like, I think you need to file and like the whole money, it's gonna, like anything that you do today will still be his because you haven't filed yet.

And like that's such great advice and I feel like she definitely needed to hear that. I also appreciate Kyle being like, listen like this just isn't a messy divorce. And I think people are used to like fighting and custody battles and money battles and prenups and this and that. And it's like, they just don't have that right now.

Yeah, I'm a kind of team Kyle on this one. I think it comes from a bit of privilege, if you want to call it that, because they give, we're so rich, we're both gonna be rich after we get divorced. Right, yeah. And we have kids, and they seem to have raised a really grounded, healthy family,

despite all of the mess they have immersed their family in in it seems like they've raised a really great family and They seem to be still be able to prioritize their family and even each other in this very public Divorce and yeah, I'm with I'm with Kyle Who's this like don't bring my family down into every other divorce and messiness. That's not us. I don't think Kyle's stupid. I think she's very calculated and she knows what she's doing. I think they're all gonna be well taken care of.

I think everything's gonna be fine. I'm sure there's already an understanding. Kyle and Mo very much give, especially if we even suspect for a second that this Dancing with the Stars photo is a bit like of a prop for TV, I think they know how to make good TV and I think they're professionals and I think they're able to like set very certain boundaries when it comes to reality versus reality TV.

And yeah, I'm with Kyle. I don't think she needs to be taking divorce advice from. I appreciate Sutton's stance because Kyle was, and I think Kyle has a valid point too, but like her being like, well, you know, he said in his book that like I was half of the agency. So like, and I think Kyle has a valid point too, but like her being like, well, you know, he said in his book that like I was half of the agency. So like I'm going to get half of the agency, but like Sutton has gone through the forensic process of like how they determine who gets what and like you don't always expect you're going to get something. You sometimes get more. So like Sutton just being like, well, you should like

get that in writing or get the forensic analyst. Like she's like just figure it out before you get your hopes up. Sutton's taking forensicsics is gonna burn that book That's the thing exciting knows how the process works and she obviously got through it in a successful way She survived the forensic process, but it's like I mean Sutton won she won So I'm saying but her giving that advice like that's the person you want to listen to I mean I think something's being a good friend. Yeah, but I Appreciate where Kyle's coming 100% agree% agree. And I think Kyle understands her position more than Sutton understands her position. I don't think Kyle's coming from

a place of delusion and denial like a lot of people who are getting divorced come from, understandably so. I think Kyle's very in the know and very part of her storyline. Like I don't think anything is an accident with Kyle. Yeah. I do feel bad for her. Kyle? Yeah. I don't know if that's a popular opinion to have. Even with the Dorit stuff,

like I don't think she's on the right, but it just like, when I look at Kyle this season, I just see someone who like, seems to be losing control of their narrative and is kind of spiraling and doesn't know what to do. And like this entire life that she is portrayed on TV is shifting and changing.

And I don't know if she completely knows or feels comfortable with how to handle that. And I, you know, like when, like when they came over to surprise her with a pizza party and then all the girls left and then it was just her and she like closed the door, which was so dramatic. But I was like, aw, you're lonely. I do feel for her.

Her being like, my house used to be so loud, so chaotic, and now it's so quiet. Her calling her daughter and her daughter being like, no, I'm going to a movie and dinner. She's like, so you're not gonna be home for dinner? And she's like, no. And it's just like, I do, that is sad. Her life has changed so much.

Portia is older now too. Portia is grown. It is crazy. Every time, like her life has changed so much. Portia is like older now too. Portia is grown. That's so weird, it is crazy. Every time like Sophia. No, Portia? She looks like her siblings too. She was such a little baby. I don't think people like Kyle for example,

I mean that would be like us. Natalie and I again, we're in our first, we're literally our honeymoon phase of our relationship, our marriage, our first year. We had a baby, we got a wedding, it's all wonderful. And I'm sure we'll have peaks and valleys in our relationship, our marriage, our first year, we had a baby, we got a wedding, it's all wonderful. And I'm sure we'll have peaks and valleys in our relationship. But like, yeah, it'd be like fast forward 25, 30 years.

I'm dead. Yeah, cause she killed you. For finishing this sentence. I see. And you know, what if, you know, yeah. And like we're right now, we are imagining me having more kids and grandchildren and blah, blah, blah. And it's fun to fantasize about our future.

I very much doubt Kyle and Mo fantasize about like, yeah, in 25 years I'm gonna be dating these younger women and Kyle's gonna be like, I'm gonna be dating someone else. And like, you don't imagine what Kyle's going through, she has never imagined for herself. You don't imagine that for yourself to be like for your kids to move out. No one gets married planning for divorce.

Yeah. When people are like, I never wanna move out. No one gets married planning for divorce. Yeah. When people are like, I never wanna get divorced. No one does. Their relationship also started on like, Marisa's family not liking Kyle originally, right? Like that was part of the original storyline because she was pregnant and then she was older. I don't remember that.

I'm pretty sure I'm not making that up. No, no, because it's tumultuous between both families regardless. So like. Because of the agency. Hilton's and whatever. Yeah, so like there's the fact that they like grew closer because of this hatred and now it's like they're apart. Yeah, well, so far so good with this season.

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You guys own me on this one. We owe you. In Cancun? Because I canceled it and I didn't know that they didn't cancel it and I'm got my 400 meetings today. So yeah, you owe me. Well, how do we owe you, Vicki? Well, just because I'm doing this and I don't want to be doing this right now. I'm very, very busy. Wow. Well, didn't we have this booked in the calendar for like weeks? Well, no, they, there was a disconnect and they were supposed to have canceled it.

And who's they? My staff. Oh, I guess you guys didn't get it till Friday when I confirmed that, you know, I can't meet with them because I'm here in Mexico and I have three closings today. And I anyway, I'm making it work. Do you want wanna go? We can let you go. Listen, I just rearranged to stay here for a second to, well, five minutes, 10 minutes,

a half hour, whatever, but I'm not made up. I don't have makeup on. I don't have makeup on either, Vicki. I'm on the beach. I don't have my podcast stuff, so just bear with me, okay? I'm doing my best. We're't have my podcast stuff, so just bear with me. Okay, I'm doing my best. We're happy you're here. Yeah.

Good. Oh, okay. Did you have a good Thanksgiving? I did. Oh, it's a paradise. My girl Olivia, who works for me, is my boyfriend's daughter, and he was in a horrible motorcycle accident the day before,

so he's been in intensive care, almost lost his leg. So it was kind of like a sad, I wasn't with my kids, but it was fine. We made it all work. Lots of prayers. Is he okay? He'll be okay. It's going to be a long road. He has a rod from his knee to his foot.

They kind of had to attach his foot back on his body and it's been very, very serious. He was only going 10 miles an hour. It's crazy. And the bike flipped, they know, low back tire. So everybody's get off motorcycles. All right. Get off motorcycles for sure. Yep.

Well, how much time you got Vicki? That's a good question. As little as possible, but as much as possible, as much as you need. I don't, I don't know. But I don't know. I just have this much time, or it's a little time. I'm doing this as a favor, I guess. And I'm sorry that we weren't scheduled correctly, but I told her two weeks ago,

I can't do this this day. And somehow she missed it. Didn't realize it till Friday. They email you guys. So we're making it work. She emailed us on Sunday. Yeah. I think you need to talk to her.

We're making it work. Yeah. Okay. Well, we appreciate you. You're welcome. Should we talk some OC Housewives? Sure. Okay. How did you feel about the season. Should we talk some OC Housewives? Sure. Okay. How did you feel about the season ending?

It was fine. I didn't give it my all, which, um, was hard for me because I'm very opinionated and have my stance on a lot of things. And unfortunately when you're only in 10 episodes or films 10 times, you don't get the full gist of what's going on and why everybody was fighting. And I'm not a fighter, but I'm not going to stand by and let people hurt people. So that was my stance with Shannon and Tamra. And everybody's trying to create drama and I'm all about no drama in my life. So I've been through that before.

And that was a hard thing for me to do, is to not be totally involved. It's fine. I know my place. Did you think Tamra and Shannon's apology hug at the end was genuine? It was 100 percent fake, and 100 percent everybody's trying to save their job, and everybody knows it. I was guilty of that years ago when Tamara and I were fighting

and production came to me and said, we really need you guys to make up or we can't film a show without everybody fighting. And at that time I wanted to make up because I wanted my job, but Tamara, I don't know who she is anymore and she knows this is why I'm upset with her is enough is enough with this fighting.

And I think it's overdone. I think it's not scripted, but it's very manipulative, what she's done this season and last season. So I don't subscribe to it. I don't want it in my life. Tamra was remarkably quiet at the reunion, given how loud she was throughout the season.

Do you think maybe she got that memo or maybe even from you? Do you think she is deciding to change course or what what what do you make of her her quietness or silence at the reunion? When I was on just gonna I don't know if this is true or not but when I was on when all that Brooks scandal happened I took a Xanax right before I went out because I thought I can't cry, I can't yell, I can't scream. I got to believe she took something because that's not Tamra. I don't know if it's true. I'm just giving you my gut. Tamra usually sticks up for who Tamra is.

She was a bitch this year. You are who you know, she can't just all of a sudden say I'm sorry and I'm voting for therapy. You can't bullshit. You're just trying to save your, your job and your grace because everybody can't stand her. Everybody saw her true colors. So, and I've been, I'm known her 15 years. This is not new of her cycle of what she does. So it really upsets me that she's always forgiven. And she did nothing to me this season. I just decided, you know what, my clients, my friends, my people, my business, are you friends with Champlain? Actually, I'm not. I don't want to be around people that can hurt people so badly.

It's not her position to call Shannon out if she's drinking too much. That's Shannon's toe to toe. Like it's not anybody's business, but Shannon's. So I feel like she wanted to be the mother or the police or what have you, which is ridiculous. It's not, it's not her place to judge anybody. And then when we judge her, she gets pissed off. So I'm kind of over it. I can see right through it. I it. I can see right through it.

I think the viewers can see right through it. And that's why everybody's against her this year. Oh, if you guys want to purse her a bag, I can get you guys one. Yeah, could you maybe? Or a rug. Yeah, they look really quite nice. Yeah.

These guys, I just end up paying that money and let them not give me a thing. Anyway, I don't know if that makes sense to you guys. I don't like who she's become on TV. If we were just going out for lunch or shopping together, she wouldn't act this way. She's doing it for, I don't know why. She was hated this year.

So I don't know why she did it. Yeah. Was it maybe just to make TV? Vicki, can you hear me? Does she know that she's frozen or is she still? We can have her turn her camera off. She might be rejoining. But so far, iconic interview.

That is Vicki Gunvalson. Are we keeping all that in? Yes. When I said we're happy, you're hearing she said good. I was like, okay. I honestly don't know if she will rejoin. She had work to do. She had other meetings. Vicky Gunvalson, everybody.

For a little context, we had Vicky book, like what? Winlayout? Walk us through. Like two weeks. I don't even know. This is giving Tom Sandoval your late conspiracy. You were late to my podcast first. This wasn't her fault though as we've seen.

I think there was a big miscommunication. She had a lot of other meetings and she had no time for us, but she did give us- She definitely came in a weird energy. You owe me? She's definitely who she presents to be on TV. She definitely is who she presents to be on TV. This has maybe been one of the best moments of mine.

She's a phonic. We do appreciate her calling in from Mexico. I wish she would have finished her sentence. I was- I'm hanging on the end of my seat. She's back, she's back. She's back, she's back. Get her in.

Get her in. I went on a different wifi. Can you guys see me now? We can't hear you. No, yeah. What are you eating? Sorry about that you guys. I'm not We can't hear you. Yeah, no, yeah. What are you eating? Sorry about that, you guys. I'm not prepared for this, I apologize.

It's okay, Vicki, we're in the season of Thanksgiving, we're thankful you're here. I'm thankful for you too. I don't know where I left off. Well, I asked you if you thought Tamara was just doing this for TV. Well, let's hope so, that she's not really that person. Okay.

You know her. Do you think Alexis and John Jay are really those people who they present to be? I've known Alexis on and off for 10 years. I've known John personally for five. Michael and I, my boyfriend and I, have gone out with him and Shannon a lot. I don't know what he's doing right now.

He says he doesn't want to be famous and he doesn't want to be in the public eye, but all he does is interviews and it's bizarre. So they should just go away and live happily ever after. I mean, Alexis will not stop trying to prove her point on social media to the point where it's like, we don't give a fuck. Yeah, I don't care. I don't care. And guess what, if he paid $400,000 on their four year relationship, it's good for him. That's what a gentleman's supposed to do. Then they lived a really happy life because Shannon paid for all his clothing, most of his clothing. I witnessed it. We were in New York. She went

to John Barbados and she bought him the coat, the shoes, the belt, the shirt. I mean, he never put out a credit card. So I witnessed it. Now he's trying to backpedal that he paid anybody can put anything on an Excel spreadsheet. I mean, it's ridiculous that Alexis was even getting involved in it because she wasn't in his life. So what does it matter? Right. And if he wanted to buy their first class tickets, and I know Shannon did many times, no, gracias. I just think if he had the resources to do that, good for him, and she did too. So why are we talking about it? It wasn't that he was paying for her stuff

when he was with Alexis. Alexis has nothing to do with this. He's a weak man, that's why. I mean, that's it. We call him Dirty John. Yeah, I like it. That's incredible. I mean, him going on and what was it?

Extra or some bullshit he did over the weekend? No, Bryce's show. We know Bryce really well, but Alexis has a publicist, which is ridiculous because this is her career. I mean, come on. I was done. I created this show 19 years ago. It was never my career.

You never did. Iconic. Say that. I have a career. Yes, you do. No. So the whole thing is just ridiculous. You know, and she doesn't work. So she has to say this is her career. And she got a paper date, hey, which wasn't very much. And she had once said in the very beginning, Johnny J said he was going to match it. Well, match it and go away. Go away and match the $10,000 you got or whatever it was. It wasn't a lot.

Daggered. Literally. And then by the way, Johnny J, don't forget to put it on your Excel spreadsheet that you helped Alexis out. Vicki, I can't help but wonder why aren't you on TV more after our, you know, because you are entertaining. Well, I don't know. I can't answer that because I think that I got older and I think that, well, I know I

got older. We all got older. When I was starting this, I was 42. I'm 62 now. If you guys think about that, I went through my 40s, through my 50s and I'm in my 60s, but Timber's not far behind me and neither is Shannon. So I don't know. I just think maybe I got a little bit too conservative for Bravo

Are you sure I don't talk I don't talk about politics. I talk about our core our ethics our moral compass and You know, I I'm very opinionated on certain things, but I don't know Yes, I just don't even understand this cast anymore. I just don't. Humble Bravo fan.

I just want to say, Vicki, you haven't lost your fastball. I really. Thank you. And I think, I like to speak for my audience. We're all very entertained in this moment. So we would love you back. Well, this is my boyfriend, Michael. Say hi. Hi, Michael.

Hi, Michael. Just got me eating lunch. No, not yet. We're at Dacron Dix. So if you all are in Hordovia, Dacron Dix is one of our favorite places. The guy, my mom and dad used to come here when I was 15, 16, 17, and then they,

the older couple passed away because people do. And then a great guy from West Hollywood opened this and it's the best Chinese chicken salad ever. Great cheeseburgers. Unredeemed are crumbled in with Captain Crunch. Can I talk to your boyfriend for a second quick? Are you from OC? Are you like from the area?

Yep. I've been there for gosh 30 years. Okay, so for a while. I'm originally from Texas. Yeah, I grew up in Texas. Oh, okay, all right, go Texas. What's your opinion about some of these men from OC being very litigious or riding the coattails of more powerful women?

You know what, guys? I 100% just stay out of that part. Good answer. That's good. Yeah. You know, when Vicki and I started dating, I told her, I said, honey, I don't want to be on the show. I don't want to do any of that.

I mean, I support her. I'll sit and have dinner with her with other people in New York and things like that. I'm very supportive of her. But it's, I just don't have a desire to do that. But I've met some good guys that were on that cast, or still are some of them, they're good guys. And I get along with them well. Okay, all right. We love to hear it.

Yeah, spoken like a true king. Yeah, that's a great answer. Yeah, unproblematic, we love that. You're not keeping Excel spreadsheets? In my business, I have enough problems. There we go. There we go. There we go. There we go.

Nice talking with you guys. Likewise, likewise. FYI, we guys have all communicated with her, I think that is his daughter. Okay. Yeah, so anyway, we keep it in the family. I don't trust many people. Love.

But I can trust her. And Linda still works for me. Okay. Great. Is that an Arnold Palmer you're drinking? Diet Coke. Diet Coke. Okay. Oh, and no, this is an ice tea. Oh, gosh. Diet Coke is bad for you. Sweetened or unsweetened? Always unsweetened. Okay. Sour sugar. Yeah. Vicki, you're in Mexico. Does that mean, are you no longer whooping it up? Well, it's interesting because Michael wanted to go out two nights ago and three nights ago and I'm like, I want to go home at 830. He's like, what happened to you?

I'm like, my whooped up is gone, right? Not completely. I can get her out of there. There you go. I was, we went to the casino and I lost $100. And you were done. And I was mad because I worked too hard for my money. I'm like, I'm not going to need these people, my money.

But Michael's a really good gambler and he usually 90% of the time wins, except when I'm with him, he loses. So I'm like, there's a problem. Because I get like excited when he puts like this many chips out, I'm like, because they're pesos. $20. I'm like, okay, good. We're going to lose the farm.

He's like, it's pesos, Vicki. There's 20 pesos, Vicki. There's 20 pesos to $1 and his stack is like this big. I'm like, okay, okay. Oh my God. Because I'm so like, there you go. I'm so conservative, but I like to win. If given the offer, would you come back as a full-time cast member to the next season of Orange County Housewives?

I don't know. I mean, I miss it. I really really really miss it, but I can't film with some of these people I really can't. I can't be stupid. I can't fit throwing napkins in people's faces and just being nasty Who do we have to fire to get you back on? Well, Tamra. Yeah, and it well you said people camera Well, there would be others, but I'm not gonna share it on your show. I'll share it on my show But I actually want to be an EP I want to be an executive producer and I already talked to them about it a While ago because I should be I should have a say so on what is real and what is not And when I went down the slippery slope with that crap with Brooks,

that was not real at all. That was Megan Emmons and Tamra trying to cause drama and it cost me my integrity of my, it almost cost them my insurance business because I'm part of the national ethics bureau. You can't lie. And I don't lie. If I lied, I'd forget what I lied about. So I have to always tell the truth.

So it, it really bothered me. And that's when I came to evolution and said, you know, I need to produce this. This is not, you guys are not producing reality. This is manufactured bullshit. And I didn't get a job, but I still want to, or I'll create my own show. Okay.

Yeah, I can imagine they would not be down for that. No. I mean, they like not be down for that. No. I mean, they like, they like to have control of it, you know, but, um, if I was a producer on there and all this was happening, it would have not gone away. I would have way too much about Alexis and John way too much about cameras. Do you like way too much about, you know, Tim, we're trying to be the mother of the police squad. I mean, she's- What did we miss?

Like give us, give us the Vicky storyline. Produce OC for us. Oh my God, my life is a storyline. I mean, Michael is like, what in the world are we doing now? I'm like, yeah, I mean, it's just every day. Are you talking about my life? Well, how-

Or what was there? Either or, what would you have done differently if you were running OC this season? I would have stopped the crap about Alexis and John. I would have stopped it. He's not a cast member and she's not a full-time cast member. So why did they go down this road of constantly talking about Shannon and John, Alexis and John?

It's like boring. Like, I wanna see this fast. It's like, kill me. So I would have never, ever, ever me. You know, so I would have never ever, ever, ever done that. Now I would have told Tamron to go sit down until she gets a reality check. You come back when you want to be a nice person. Did you have any thoughts on the Jen Padranti Ryan relationship, the FBI storyline? I love Jen and Ryan. Oh, that whole thing is ridiculous. Yeah, I don't think that should

have been built. I'm not gonna comment on it because I know nothing other than what I saw. Just like you guys, we like Jenna Ryan. We were just with them the other night. Yeah. I have nothing to say about it because I don't know. And I'm not going to judge somebody about Tamara and her stupid FBI hat that she put on.

It's like, now she's the FBI, really, girl? It's an elf. What were your thoughts on her holding that vital piece of information that John did in fact hear the crash and not telling her at the reunion or any time before? We knew he heard it. I mean, she was from where the exit was and she was living at Michael's house at the time, she was renting his house because he was living with me in Koto. So she was renting there for a while.

And it literally is less than a half a mile away, his house to John's house. And where the accident happened was directly across the street around a corner like, literally split. He heard it. Of course he heard it. So I don't know. Everybody's weird right now. Everybody's weird. Everybody's weird. Except Michael and I. Well, Vicki, you are absolutely iconic. We will let you enjoy

your lunch next time when you're back in the States. Let us know. Okay. All right. We're going to reach out to you and get you on my show. There you go. Okay. Well, I'll make sure I'm in Mexico. All right. Okay, that's what I said you owe me. That's what you owe me about.

Okay. Bye, Vicki. And I'll be all made up with the cameras and all that shit now. You look great. I'll have my podcast thing. All right. Okay.

Bye. Okay, bye. Bye. That was a favor to her dad. He's got seven million. Oh, good. Yes. It helps.

Where will you meet him? I'm a major. Um, so you mean he'd be at the herd idea. That's what you're. So this guy has his own network. I was a guest on his show. Well, I know, but he didn't hurt that. No, he has his own network, his own show.

OK, don't think I've never heard of a. Last night, Nick Biles. It is so many times I know. I'm weird. You didn't say that on the children. Oh, it's a beautiful here. It is nice. Why? That Just talking to these people here. They were. I am at a loss for words.

They do say OC is a cast of women that don't know how to hang up the phone. I just started sweating so incredibly bad. I'm not kidding. My hands. I'm unwell. That was the best thing I've ever experienced. That was the best thing I've ever experienced. I'm not kidding.

I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding.

I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not getting my hands on well That was the best thing I've ever Like on the phone and Tam is like when she texts you are you gonna do your part of the favor just send her that I Didn't know you had a podcast Nick file I think is Nick files never heard of the guy, but he has his own network I don't know seven million views for I don't know statistics. Nick Vials. Never heard of the guy, but he has his own network. I don't know, seven million views.

I don't know. I know the statistics. Oh my God, Vicky Never Change. She is an icon. I'm sweating. I really am profusely sweating. I'm not okay. My hands are also sweating.

That gave me really bad anxiety. I was waiting for her to clock back in and be like, oh my God. She never did. No, it's really beautiful out here. Oh, we're just going to keep going. She just keeps, there's no breath. She's incredible.

Vicki, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That made my day. I need her in person. I need a little longer.

I need her in person. I need her on this couch. I need, we need to like. We are going to keep that all in. Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City. Hey, Salt Lake City. They embraced. I need her on this couch. I need, we need to like. They are gonna keep that all in. Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City. Hey Salt Lake City. I miss Brittany.

I missed her. Well, she's going viral now. I have kept my tabs on her Instagram without following but Sierra called me out. Are you guys Instagram friends? Are you gonna, you and Brittany? I mean, she does like my comments. She commented back.

She did comment back to my comment. Cause I've been around since $10,000. I would initially think that means a lot but Brittany gives, reads all her comments. She doesn't respond to my comment because I've been around since $10,000. I would initially think that means a lot, but Brittany gives, reads all her comments. She doesn't respond to everybody though. I had to check, but just for the since. I did see someone post a TikTok and they were like, me trying to figure out why Brittany looks so familiar.

And then they're like, and they go to their wedding book and they're flashing through and they're like, oh, it's my dad's ex-wife. Wow. That's gagging. Right? That's wild. Crazy. How many ex-husbands does she have?

See, I feel like if we knew more about her life, we would be interested. All we know about is Jared Osmond. She's a man. She's a man. And the 10 other men she had on her roster, I would love to know. Which I respect, she's out there dating. The only thing that's really hard to swallow

when it comes to Brittany is the admission of her prioritizing her dating life over her children, which it gives kind of yucky when you think about it in those contexts, it's kind of like, girl, really, it's just your kids. She acknowledges her guilt though. That doesn't make it, it actually makes it worse. Yeah, true.

She's like, oh my God, I'm so like, I don't care about my kids, like fuck boy two. Would you rather her pretend that she cared about her kid? I wanna make it clear, I love her, I missed her on my television. She is an exceptional addition to this franchise. The fact that her and Brawan, who I also obviously love for different reasons,

to replace Monica, we didn't think Monica was replaceable. We were sad to see Monica go, and quite honestly, no disrespect to Monica, Brittany and Brawn have absolutely carried and done their part to make this season enjoyable because of their quality performances. But Brawn is like no bullshit, she's real, she keeps it real, she admits fault,

she's always calling herself out for her messiness. That's everything that Lisa is not. Have you noticed Bronwyn does this thing where someone screams at her, she's like, okay. And she tucks her head in, she's like, I'm just not gonna even entertain it. That's actually a pretty good impression. You got her head bobbed down.

Don't I just need the bob? She does, I mean, at our camp counselors. My culture. Our camp adventure, whatever the hell that was, Bronwyn was trying to stir the pot and Whitney and Heather were like, sorry, but like not gonna work. I will say, I think that that was like my first like,

ah, interesting moment. The same, yeah. I was like, Bronwyn no longer is invited to my car. I think, I know. She says everything everybody else is saying, but can you start saying? No, this is- Let's like start repeating what you're saying. Because you're also to my car. I think, I know. She says everything everybody else is saying, but can you start saying? No, this is- Let's start repeating what you're saying.

Because you're also in the car. Bronwyn brought up this issue of like, I'm surprised that Whitney and Heather are doing this event together because Whitney talks so much shit about Heather. So then Heather's like, well, what does she say about me? And she's like, she says that she feels like you back

Lisa and not her, which isn't talking shit. It's just her feelings, which Heather then was like, well, yeah, she's entitled to feel that way. She's kind of always felt that way. But it was Bronwyn trying to be like, ooh, I'm gonna be messy and I'm gonna stir this pot. And these women being like, babe, you gotta tell her.

I can guarantee you though, Bronwyn wasn't the one who said that and someone else said that to Heather. They would have popped off. It would have, she would have popped off. For sure, for sure. Because Heather doesn't like Bronwyn. Exactly.

So she's gonna pick Whitney. Because to be fair, when Bronwyn called out Whitney and Angie, like she was being honest. Like they did say these things about Lisa and then they're like, did I ever say the verbatim words that she fucked me over? Like, no, but you did say that if she gets close to you she will do something to get back at you if you upset her.

So just because you didn't use the right terminology. I am also that way where if someone tries to like repeat what I'm saying, but use like very different aggressive, more aggressive words, I'm like, that's not what I said at all. That's a lie. I never said that because like that, you're making it way worse than what it was. Like I never said she's fucking me over. Like I said, like she like does things that like kind of like hurts my feelings,

you know, and it's like that's what's a leap. It's like saying dislike or hate. I guess my point is all these housewives do that and then they decide which ones they're not down for and can and can't. And it's very much gives, again, the whole mean girl, we're the OGs, we decide what we're gonna argue about and what's righteous and what's not.

And I feel like they've decided to not give bra. This is them trying to put Brawn in their place. They're hazing her. Yeah. But Whitney and Brawn were close. Yeah, I get that. But in general, I think they think Brawn's getting too much hype or too much.

I don't know that in the time that they're filming. I think they sense it. Maybe they feel like she's too comfortable. Heather still hasn't fully forgiven her for the lack of invitation at Palm Springs, so it's like at the same time. And I think that Bronwyn was right when she was like, you will find anything.

If I apologize for this, you're gonna find something else to be mad at me about. I think Bronwyn standing, showing up, so to speak, to this season and not acting like the new person. She's not acting like she can't stand on her own. And she's not like trying to make alliances to protect herself. Or like bowing down to the OG Heather altar.

And I think the Lisa and the Heathers of the world are like, this is not how we roll. Step in line. And this is them trying to put her in her place. Yeah, and I, cause that's the thing, of course the mess is irrelevant. They're all messy and they all, and in these scenes and these events they do,

that once they sit down after they're doing, whether it's paint bowling, whether it's Girl Scouts, whether it's hang gliding, it's all just an appetizer for let's sit down and talk shit. Icebreaker, yeah. Right? And now that Browen's talking her shit, and again, yeah, she's messy, but they are hazing her.

They are definitely like this, get in line. They're mean-girling her for sure. Well, then you have Mary at this camp day being like. Like it's being her, she's being herself. And I have so much sympathy for Mary because I'm like, this is just so, so true to the idea of you'd never know what somebody's going through. Yeah.

And like Mary says so many things that are so out of pocket, but I'm like, you're not angry at Meredith. You're not angry at Meredith. You're not angry at Heather. You're angry about what's happening at home. And now that we've gotten to see a little bit of that, it's like, I do have like empathy for what she's going through.

I don't think she's handling it well, but at the same time, she's also not talking about it to anyone. So nobody knows exactly what she's going through, but I will say her, she just would not let up. Lisa, you're a liar. She's the fakest person she's ever seen in her life. I'd never love to marry more in that moment.

Yeah, that was wild. But I will say where she's coming from, we're being like, listen, if these women don't know what's going on in my life, they're not real friends. And it doesn't mean Mary has to be the one to open up. It's the fact that like none of these women are asking.

Can either are asking or can sense that something is off and being like, hey, you're not typical, like is something going on? And like asking about it, reading her energy. None of them are doing that. Yeah, but Meredith asked in a way of like, I'm pissed. Meredith asked like you're an hour late, like something's going on.

Like what's your like glam late or something. It wasn't a deeper. And you can kind of tell even Mary was like, kind of like a glimmer of like, you mean with me? Or like, you know what I mean? She was kind of like hoping that this was the time that you do see me. And then it was like, well, you're an hour late.

And she was like, all right, well, I'm not fucking doing this video. Or just like off camera when they're not filming. At any point, any of these women could have a conversation with Mary and been like, hey, what's going on, babe? Are you happy? What's going on?

Like, how's life? How are the kids? How's the son? How's your pride and joy in your life? How's Junior? None of them are doing this. None of them give a shit. The thing about Meredith too is she's doing it.

I don't think she's asking to help. She does this thing where she's like, do you wanna talk about the husbands? Or like there may be something going on in her life. Or they may be connected to this. So she's like, are you starting the candle? Nick is like rubbing the inside of this candle. Does it feel good? I don't know what's going on, but he's like, are you sharing the candle? Nick is like rubbing the inside of this candle. Does it feel good?

I don't know what's going on, but he's like caressing this wax. Guys, I have. Where's your stress ball? Don't touch her, don't touch her though. No, your ball is behind your book. Yeah. But I think Meredith,

she was inquiring about Mary's life to create drama is the way I saw it, because she does that where she alludes to things. So that's where it's like, I think Mary was probably like, I don't want her to be the one that I'm sharing this with. Even like the final scene with the Shabbat dinner where she was kind of like,

well, I think Mary's going through something. And it's just like this. She's alluding to things on purpose. That, and it's also kind of like making yourself like this, like not martyr, but like, I do care, like clearly something, it can't be just me, but then I'm also not going to ask her about it. I'm not going to actually dive into it,

but I'm just gonna let everybody know that the way that she's treating me is not right. And it has to be due to her having problems elsewhere. Yeah, not because of anything I've done. Exactly. Which is typical Meredith in something that I actually cannot defend this time. Sorry.

But also how heartbreaking Mary's conversation with her son. I was very sobbing. I mean, I had a feeling too that I was like, I was surprised at how forthcoming the son was, but I'm also like, talk about an honest conversation. I also, I know there's a lot of like back and forth of like, is she like exploiting,

like was this the right time and place to have this conversation? And I, like I'm so proud of Mary for like, obviously having this conversation film knowing that it's going to be aired for the world to see. I think it's bringing like a lot of awareness to this issue. I think like the fact that these kids at 16 are like finding these prescription drugs,

like that's crazy. Yeah, that's insane. That's fucked. Yeah, that's insane. That legalized fucking drugs that are being given to our kids, because how accessible Adderall, these are just prescribed drugs that are now just easy to get for all these kids

in middle school, high school. That's so fucked up. No, my heart broke for her when he said that he was taking 10, 30 milligram oxys and I was like, that's, and not feeling anything. Legalized prescription drugs. That should be debilitating. Well, and her saying, I can't judge you,

I can try to help you. No, she was absolutely amazing throughout that conversation. It is sad that the conversation was happening while he was so under the influence. And it's like, I don't... I don't think there's a time when he's not though. Yeah, I don't think there's an easy way to deal with addiction.

And I'm like, clearly she doesn't know what else to do. And Junior's been on the show. The whole time. The whole time in passing and whatnot. And we've never seen anything to the extent of what we did the beginning of this season. So I'm sure she just got to her end being like, I don't know, he won't come out of the room.

He wasn't talked to me, him and his wife, like the whole situation that I'm like, maybe if it's on a public forum, I can actually get resources and help or somebody can like, has been through this before. It was clear that all she wanted to do was help her son. And she was doing whatever she thought was best in that moment.

And like, no parent is perfect. And like, parent is perfect. And like, you know, you saw Mary recognize whatever fault she played into this. But obviously this is a much deeper issue. Like I think it's terrifying as a young parent, how like you can have the best intentions in the world. But like, whether it's every kid having a phone,

all these accessible drugs out there, legal drugs. These aren't like, you don't have to find a drug dealer anymore for your kids to get fucking, what is the equivalent of heroin, Oxycontin? Like all you have to do is find a friend whose parent recently had surgery. Like it's that fucking easy, and that's fucking terrifying, and that's fucked up.

And so yeah, Mary is, like all the criticisms about exploitation and things like that. You know, I think there's times in which parents are clearly exploiting their kids on these shows. Mary is literally fearing for her son's life. That is obvious and evident. And she's doing whatever she thinks is best. And then she is bringing awareness

to a very serious problem that like, we're not paying enough attention to as a society and as a country, and it should not be okay that these drugs are so readily available for kids to abuse and use. Not even kids, they're just prescribing fucking heroin to adults who have fallen off a ladder and ruining people's lives, it's so fucked.

1000%. Damn. Andy Cohen did say on Watch What Happens Live that Robert Jr. is doing well, so we at least have that positive note to the story. in people's lives, it's so fucked. 1000%. Damn. Andy Cohen did say on Watch What Happens Live that Robert Jr. is doing well. So we at least have that positive note to the story. Yeah, I obviously hate that they left that on a cliffhanger. It's like, what's gonna happen next?

They gotta make TV. Yeah, gotta make TV. But I know, I do wish him the best. I wish Mary the best. I can't imagine going through that. Yeah, all right, well, what an episode. What an episode. What an episode. What an episode.

We wanna give a big thank you to Vicky, regardless of whatever she thinks of us or our show. Um. Um. Um. Um. Who's beautiful. We appreciate you.

Don't ever change, Vicky. You're a gem. Uh, all right, we'll see you back on Thursday. Bye. Thursday, bye.