The Viall Files - E85 Bachelor Recap- Ep. 4: Villain Victoria with Robert Mills

Episode Date: January 28, 2020

Today, ABC Executive Robert Mills joins us to talk about the most dramatic episode of Pilot Pete’s season of The Bachelor yet. They discuss the Chase Rice finasco, Victoria P’s motives, and Peter’s black turtleneck. Then Robert teases the main event of next week’s episode. How does Pilot Pete get hurt next week? You’ll have to listen to find out! Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.  THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: GRAVITY BLANKETS: https://gravityblankets.com CODE: VIALL UNDERCOVER TOURIST: https://www.undercovertourist.com/viall/ CODE: VIALL IMPERFECT FOODS: http://imperfectfoods.com/viall CODE: VIALL See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

happy what monday night tuesday morning yeah bachelor recap y'all uh hope everyone's doing great uh we uh we are joined here we the royal we Royal, we, the Royal, we, uh, Rashawn, my producers with me. I had like four thoughts going in my head right now. Um, I would say we are recording this. Uh, it's, uh, it's Monday morning. Uh, we all have recently heard the, the news about Kobe Bryant and his daughter and, uh, some of the other people on that flight. I know everyone's talking about it, obviously.

So we're just obviously acknowledging it. Sad story. I feel like it's one of those moments where you remember where you are. Yeah, that's so true. When it happened. Yeah. He was that big of a public figure.

And I think, yeah, I'll always remember where I was when I found out Kobe Bryant passed away. Me too. This obviously is just a very tragic event. It's like, not that I'm not sad that Kobe Bryant passed away, but the daughter, it's just, not that I'm not said that Kobe Bryant passed away, but his, the daughter, it's just like 13. And,

you know, it's almost just recently you saw more of him hanging out and spending time with his daughter. And you, you saw that real bond and connection. And, you know, if there's a silver lining,

it likes they had each other. I don't know. It's just tragic. And every time it's, it's all over the news right now. And you see it, it's just your heart breaks every time it's it's all over the news right now and you see it it's just your heart breaks every time time you read about it but obviously and there's other people involved and other families and a lot of people suffering so our best goes out to to all of them um through this uh for this difficult time just uh life's funny it really

puts things in the perspective sometimes though doesn't it yeah when someone like Kobe Bryant and this happens like everyone aware of who he is like you realize you just never really know when things can happen I'm sorry they didn't wake up that morning

thinking that would be it whatever you're mad at yeah it's weird to experience the collective mourning of everybody is feeling this. I even saw some tweets on Twitter of people acknowledging that they've had confrontations and frustrations with other people and kind of use that as some perspective

to extend it like an olive branch because you never really know kind of thing. And it's really true. It's just you just never really know when life is going to end for us. And knowing that all the more reason not to sweat the small things or let us get down about things that we can you know

try to get over or if we uh have a grudge or a frustration towards someone even if we feel justified to maybe find a reason to eliminate that uh uh grudge but uh yeah yeah anyways feel silly talking about the bachelor now but someone someone's got to do it. You know, sometimes it's the things like The Bachelor that help us- Distract. Distract and move forward as life does have to go on. But it's a great episode. Yeah.

Wow. Thank you, ABC and The Bachelor for blessing us with this fantastic television. Oh, yeah. And I cannot believe you got the guest that we had today. I was shocked. No, I mean, I'm good friends with Rob. I mean, it's just so cool.

I'm friends. I mean, he's not inviting me over for dinner anytime soon, but we're friends. Yeah, Rob Mills, who Rob is in charge of all things unscripted at ABC. Big man. When you watch The Bachelor or Bachelor in Paradise or the Oscars or Jimmy Kimmel

or Celebrity Jeopardy or Celebrity Family Feud or all their other great unscripted television and program that they have, Rob is the man in charge of all that. And obviously an incredibly busy guy and he was kind enough to join us to break down this episode and you know give us a little behind the scenes a little inside information um i felt a little more free uh talking

about things that i know behind the scene you did no and it's like well rob wants to talk about it yeah he was very interested he's like what's your experience he's in charge you know um oh like you were gonna get in trouble like you can't get in trouble because Rob was here. I'm comfortable with the things I talk about on the show. And as we talked about with Rob, I mean, I think even like five, 10 years ago, the show I think generally liked to even almost not even talk about producers or the fact that it was produced. Clearly, I think no one's pretending

that doesn't happen. Yeah. And it doesn't, people now accept the show for what it is. Right. And so I'm generally comfortable with what I'm talking about

and some of the producers listen to our show. Oh really? Yeah. Gotten some nice feedback. Good. Some verifications of things, of opinions some nice feedback. Good. Some verifications of things,

of opinions I've had. Oh, okay. But, but what's cool about Rob is he's a genuine fan. He loves it. He's a fan of the show.

Yeah, that's so cute. And that's, what's, what is nice about Rob is that he is so busy and he oversees so many things. He's not always on the ground level.

He doesn't travel with the show. He certainly, you know, they check in with him and he's always going on, but he can, I think, be far enough removed that he I think he still enjoys watching it as a fan. It is fun to get Rob's perspective from that point of view.

So we really appreciate Rob joining us and breaking it down with us. So yeah, anything else, Rochelle, before we get right into it? Yeah,

join us tomorrow for Megan King-Edmonds, former OC housewife. That's right. Megan, she's been killing in the news lately. and we filmed it before we heard that Tamara and Vicky

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Good to see you. Thanks. How long has it been? We caught up a little bit before how long i don't think i've seen you in at least two i i don't think i've seen you in person since right after i got kicked off at dancing with the stars that might be true is that true it was after uh we did i think it was after we talked. It was at Julia's show. Yeah, I think you're right. So that's about right. We talked about you as sexy Pinocchio.

What? That's right, yeah. Tell us more. Well, I was a dancing with the stars. It was a Disney night. It wasn't very sexy, but I was Pinocchio. Well, we were laughing about it because Nick, every one of his dances was like sexy, whatever.

Yes. And then we were like, oh, he's doing Pinocchio, sexy Pinocchio. And it was actually, I think it was your best dance. Not even close. It was my best dance. It was awesome. It was, I fully embraced it. I even shaved for it.

Wow. Did you have the nose? There's no beard of Pinocchio. No, the nose didn't grow. Would have been a little too phallic. They did in my package. Yeah. In my package, they gave me an animated nose.

Oh, that's right. There's a meme out there of my nose growing. So if I'm having a text conversation, someone's questioning my integrity, I just immediately send that. So that's like three years ago then. Almost. Three years this spring.

Three years ago. Wow. That's crazy. I'll tweet at rob now and then yeah well yeah absolutely it's nice always bunnies for life yeah i think for i hope so yeah rob's also a fellow runner so we are yes exactly not i don't think i'm in nick's league nick you know i don't you still run a lot i do yeah i i mean i run to work out, but I... Have you done a marathon? No. No, you never?

I did Boston last April. I never. You did? Yeah. Wow. How'd you do? I did okay. I was happy to qualify.

I hadn't done it in like 20 years, yeah. No, no, it was easy. I finished. I did it like 345. Easy? Dang. That's really good. Not that bad.

Are you going to do... There's a half, though. Nike's doing a half in April. It's a big thing. In LA. That's really good. There's a half, though. Nike's doing a half in April. It's a big thing in LA. Maybe. Yeah. Let me know. Maybe we'll do it together. Are you going to do it? Yeah, absolutely. You should do a bachelor team. We should, yeah. Tyler's doing

marathons. Andy's doing marathons. Yeah. Chris Harrison runs, right? I don't know that he could do it. We'll see. I don't know if he's... Nick and I will do it, and we'll see who else jumps on yeah all right all right team bad doing it now for those of you who don't know rob rob is uh in charge of all unscripted television at abc specifically bachelor the bachelor he is part of the brainchild of all the glorious television you have been seeing over the past years. Anything that does not have a script.

But Bachelor is really where I started when I was at ABC. Yeah, you were, before you were in charge of Unscripted, you were just in charge of the Bachelor? Yeah, I was an executive. Our department oversees all the, like, reality shows, all the big specials, like the Oscars and the AMAs, and then Late Night. And I actually started in Late Night when Kimmel launched and then moved over to series. And then specials, now I oversee all of them. Wow.

It's a lot. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty fun. Yeah, and Rob's really kicking ass. Lately, the Celebrity Jeopardy, huge hit. Yep, Jeopardy. It broke some records. It did.

Yeah, it got a ton of people watched. It was good. Did you watch? I didn't watch all of them, but I definitely followed along and saw, I think it was the second, the one when Ken won one of them. Yeah, it was cool. It was really cool.

When did you come up with that idea? I love Jeopardy, and it was really when holtzauer was on okay like it was okay we gotta have him play ken and then we heard about this other guy brad who'd never lost one of those tournament of champions until this one so just it was pretty it was just as easy as that it was nice to do something with alex too you know he's yes he's sick right now so it was it was really fun oh that's really cool. I mean, it just kind of came out of nowhere. Came out of nowhere, yeah.

It was such a huge, huge hit. It's like all these Bachelor spinoffs we do, you know? Yeah, well, we will... It's like they just come from out of nowhere. We can talk all about this. We will get into that. The endless amount of spinoffs. I know people are dying to get into this.

Well, I got to say, awful bravo, Rob. That was one of the better episodes I've seen. This episode was great we had talked about it last week you know i know it was like oh i'm so glad we're talking about this one it was good it was and it was just like what's so fascinating about this season so far is and we were talking about this before we started recording is usually at this point you have you know you're kind of establishing maybe who your villain is or the people talking about every episode there's a new person.

Everyone's like, oh, it's definitely going to be Hannah Ann. Hannah Ann's going to be the super villain. It's funny. She's disappeared in a great way for Hannah Ann. No, you're absolutely right. It's weird. Last season was sort of a good case in point of the cult, and it was all about the fence jump

because there wasn't a ton beyond that it was all kind of standard bachelor and there was good stuff every now and then but every week was the fence jump it was the fence jump when is that happening yeah and then of course the fence jump was amazing but this one it's sort of like oh they're gonna milk this champagne thing for three weeks it's like nope that was like a half an episode that's it moving on we've got stuff to get into. I didn't even remember that. Champagne that no one even remembers. What's funny, because when you get to the end with Kelsey's day, you're like, oh my

God, that's right. She was freaking out over the champagne. Wouldn't even know it. No. I mean, yeah, we kind of jump around here, but there's, for me, a lot of losers this episode. Basically, everyone didn't look particularly good except kelsey kelsey looks amazing episode and you start to think when you first see her in that second episode kelsey's gonna be

you know oh she's gonna be a problem because she was angry at mckenna and then she was angry at hannah ann and you know freaking out over this but then completely moved on and was great on her one-on-one. She was, I referred to her as Sharon Stone from Casino. Oh, yeah. There you go. You know, irrational outbreak and just like screaming for no reason. You can't make sense of it.

Yeah. And she was the person of just kind of like calmness and steadiness, you know, like Peter, it's fine that alaya's back you know what you're still figuring out just a lot of just like pointing i'm like who who is this person yeah it was yeah she seemed down to earth quite no she she was great i thought the story of the parents divorce was very touching very touching and she didn't seem like she was overselling it a la kind of victoria p

from a week ago you know just uh i think kelsey's like really true yeah i could be friends with kelsey i think she's this week's mvp you're absolutely right i think like she could be someone i'd be like that's cool to hang out with she seems like at the end of the day she's kind of like she's pretty chill do you watch as a former bachelor do you watch these episodes and put yourself in those say okay here's who who i know i would be vibing with here's who i would not be into uh not so much there's a there's certainly uh i mean sometimes when i watch it uh like we kind of joked about like i mean i have said the women this season are they're they're attractive yeah in terms of like people like immediately out of physical attraction. You've heard a lot of people.

I would be, I would be immediately physically attracted to. So like as a former lead, you're just kind of like, oh, that would have been. How do you feel about the group you got, considering that you ended up with,

no, now that Vanessa didn't work out, you know. You know, it. You ended up with none of the 25. Yeah, I don't,

I don't have. You ever say, gosh, you guys could have done out. You know, you know, you want to put none of the 25. Yeah, I don't, I don't have, you ever say, gosh, you guys could have done better. I'm not on my podcast. Yeah. Okay.

I haven't heard anything. Exactly. No, listen, they're all great women and I don't have, like Vanessa and I didn't work out,

but I, I, they were great women. No, of course I wouldn't. I would still pick Vanessa. You know, no,

you wouldn't have been in this group but do you look at this group and say like oh gosh if i'd had these 25 or 30 here's the thing though it's so different yeah i have the level-headedness of knowing it's just like you see these pictures you see them uh on on camera like i i quickly remind myself what it's like to be in peter's position and be the bachelor and it's just like you quickly his point of view is probably so different than everyone else's of yeah how he's how they're acting that's right and what's going on so i don't make too too much of it yeah um that's that's probably wise yeah i i watch it more with a kind of an analytical eye um but yeah

it's uh yeah i don't go too far because it's just like they're just people and they're all yeah you've got a special insight into it nick you know having been on it on every different side possible literally um so let's maybe go back to the beginning of the episode again it speaks to how good this episode was you have victoria f getting a one-on-one and you have her ex-boyfriend being the obscure musical country act how crazy is that i mean chase rice is a little less obscure than we normally get he's an up-and-comer is it true they have to pay their own way if they are on the show? You do get a, the,

I mean, pay their own way makes it sound like, you know, here's the place in Cleveland. You gotta figure out how to get here. Yeah. But it is,

the record company does help out. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, that's a huge platform for them. So they're doing it for the exposure. It's a huge platform for them.

For sure. Which is why, I mean, it depends. If it's somebody who's really for sure which is why i mean it depends if it's somebody who's really huge which we don't normally get um you know we we will we will pay like i think air supply we we paid them because we we asked them to come on but they may have not heard of the patch yes that's right but um uh yeah with chase rice it was the, I mean, I think that the best we ever did was on Emily Maynard's season. We had Luke Bryan literally right as, he took off literally right when that episode aired.

He was like popping. He was popping. He didn't need the bachelorette to do it. So that was like the perfect synergy. We've never hit that mark since. And that's kind of luck, right? Because you film it, you wait, you don't know what else they're working on. That being said, I think this probably has to have been a huge boost for Chase Rice.

This is going to be huge. Everyone's going to remember the name Chase Rice. That's terrible. You know now. Now. You know, Tennille Arts didn't quite get the same bump. But I got to say, I think Chase Rice, you know, it's going to be big. Yes.

It's going gonna be in every every us weekly entertainment tonight e-news and you know we do a lot of country music on abc we do the cma award cma fest so you know there's plenty of things to put him on now part of the family follow-up yeah absolutely and i gotta say i mean for all i do want to say thank you to you and the producers for making this happen. It's my understanding most of it was dumb luck. It was dumb, you know, as you know, it's funny because we talk about this with the champagne gate thing.

I remember that night when Kelsey took the thing and then it exploded all over her face. And that was like the, okay, sometimes when you're prepared for things and then dumb luck happens, that's literally the same thing here yeah you know just just be ready for it i mean imagine if it was like oh my god victoria f was here we had no idea she dated chase rice and he played on a date but yeah but like you guys casting chase and casting victoria f my understanding it was kind of two very separate events it was but then knowing and knowing how to maximize it. Yeah, so then you find out.

When do you think they found out? I think it was pretty much in there. In the moment? No, no, not in the moment. I think it was before that, yeah. Certainly before they went to Cleveland. I mean, it's not that hard to believe if one of the girls who go on are dating a country star it might you know

there's plenty of conversations that are going on between cast and producers and cast and other cast that would like it would come up yeah um and country is a big hotbed i mean we've you know there's plenty of bachelor stars who have you know had some reading ground well i mean uh lauren bush now is now married to yes who performed on my season right yeah um and so yes it's and like i said it's not that hard to believe that an attractive girl who lives in that part of the country is dating a country singer from no nick did you ever ever have any conversations with the artists the way peter did i did not that's where you talk about good producing yeah that is that is it was so great i gotta say go over there and talk to jake all with all the things though going on everyone kind of came away from that date like

looking totally fine it was not anything there's nothing you know what are you gonna do you don't think she should have told them immediately what could she have done i mean i think you can see she was like a deer in the headlights when she's walking through there thank god she didn't run and turn you know i think she handled it about as good as she did as victoria handled that as well as she possibly could have imagine yeah going on a show and you're already a deer in headlights just out of her premise alive and then you're having fun and then you see your ex-boyfriend i mean we've all seen the show yeah and like the fear of your ex showing up for no reason other than they decided they just wanted to get there two minutes and he's on stage at this point she's thinking herself i'm

at cedar point like how bad what could possibly happen? What could possibly go wrong? That's true. And then it's the guy playing. Yeah, it's her ex-boyfriend. And it sounds like they didn't, I mean, not like her boyfriend from two years ago. No, it's like right before they shot her. They kind of just broke up. So, yeah, I thought she handled it just fine.

She just went through the moment. Even Peter. It's funny. I mentioned the Chris Lang. Trying to relate to Peter in that situation. I will say, and we were in Milwaukee, by the way. Great job giving Cleveland love. It was great.

They really stepped up. I don't know. I was a little bit like, Cleveland? I love the way you guys introduced Cleveland, where you didn't even pretend that like the girls were initially happy because sometimes they'll do that but like

I remember on my season we went to Connecticut so Chris comes in and he was like we're going to romantic New England and us guys were like

huh and then the producer was like alright let's do this fucking again and like can you guys act excited they didn't even try well I think that

you know what we've learned is you have to own it. You guys are doing a great job with that. You're like, what's your name again? Exactly. Cleveland is like, remember that scene in Wayne's World where they're doing the green screen? It's like, I'm in Delaware. I'm in Delaware.

Yeah. Welcome to Delaware. And that's the thing. It's like, that's what Cleveland is. It was so good. I mean, your revolved date i mean i love how you're like julian and i were talking about that yeah it's like let's i'm good for you guys for just we know what this is yeah and yeah you can you can still find you know

own it that okay cleveland does not sound as romantic as you know vietnam or thailand or australia but make it look good but then but looked great. And then you see Cleveland, it's like, it looks fantastic. Well, you know, and on my season, we ended up in Milwaukee, which, you know, Cleveland, Milwaukee. That made sense though, for you. That was also a tie-in. It did. It was also kind of, again, another happy accident because of weather.

Right. So, but anyway, we're in Milwaukee and Chris Lane is performing. And, you know, I knew there would be a musical act and i you know i'm not a country fan i don't know who the fuck chris lane was but i will say i'm on the state they open the doors and that moment was so cool like it was still probably one of the cooler moments i've ever experienced where like you feel the energy of the fan and like they're cheering for you and you're just exciting you're with this pretty girl and i'm just like so peter is doing this and i can i assure you he's just like having the absolute time of his life right you must feel like you

have a unique perspective you said this happened you must feel like you're a rock star because they're cheering for you i mean not awkward standing on that like platform in front of i mean again it was there was it was even even more special for me i was in milwaukee in my hometown and i i who were you on the date with it was danielle lowe oh yeah d lowe and uh and i just you could feel when they open the doors the place lost their shit you know you knew that they were cheering for you and yeah you know they were like you could tell they were excited that like holy shit the bachelor's in Milwaukee, you know, or Cleveland. Right. And you felt that energy.

And it was just such an exciting, unique experience. Right. And so. So you're right. So he's there. He's feeling this. He's just like, this is great. And it's not even like about him, but he knows it.

Like, I remember being like, this is surreal. Like, this is like, This energy is so neat. And I remember thinking, just enjoy this really neat moment. So here's Peter just like, wow, man, this is great. Here's this beautiful girl. We're having fun. And yeah, this country guy, I don't know who he is, but he sounds pretty good. And bam, it was so great.

And then they're talking to him and yeah that's i love that they had peter talk to chase and victoria talk to chase but everyone even i thought chase looked fine chase him himself well well what was he supposed to do chase does not look like he's hurting for female attention i'm sure he's doing just fine he's doing fine yeah you know do what's right for you he said all the can yeah all the kind of canned like yeah next bachelor i don't know yeah who knows who knows he'll be fine but like what a weird scenario to be like singing a love song looking at the girl while she's in someone else's arms it's gotta be pretty crazy yeah kind of like the ultimate rock star move it

really is i'm gonna date this girl i'm gonna sleep with her and then i'm gonna be fine i'm gonna i'll even serenade you it's just like yeah moving on it's such an imagine if he'd written that song for her though that would have been did he i don't know another level he i don't think he did he should have said he did yeah yeah he might he should have just really leaned that. That's right. And just started crying. You know, his stage manager should have put some Visine in his eyes and just get a tear. That was a miss by Chase. Yeah, there you go. He could have milked it a little bit more.

I think he'll do it now, I'm sure. He's going to have plenty of follow-up after this. But yeah, I thought ultimately everyone just handled themselves fine. Victoria, I thought she did fine. I could get why she was upset. I thought it was so funny when he was like, can you not run into a corner anymore? Yeah.

She just started crying and ran into a corner. We've already seen she's somebody who is emotional. She is emotional. She gets in her head. She gets in her head. Yeah, you guys kind of gave her a bad beat by showing her the uh slight uh panic attack before she got out of the car yeah it's always like one of those moments where no right that the show shows it and like everyone does it but it's

like we'll show her doing it right time but like what are you gonna do but yes probably because that's her character yeah she's an emotional person that's fine but she really calmed down during the date she did the classic yeah absolutely you know had that kind of i fought my fears and i had a good time and everything's everything's fine it was good it was fun i thought so you did a good job and then we go to the group date which was just awesome i mean some things in this world make some sense and then other things in this world make too much sense we sound like uh late night what is that called where you're selling stuff oh we're not selling anything we are letting people know we sound like how to improve their lives. Undercover tourists.

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And on this season, the girls literally tackle football. Arguably better than the Cleveland Browns themselves. Potentially. Oh, damn. I got to ask, as a football fan, I noticed that Josh Cribs, another former player, played.

Were the Cleveland Browns uh did they come to you guys and say listen we don't want any of our current people on this show because we might fire them no you would think so yeah most will probably not be there um and it won't look good for you guys you'll they'll know you too no they were they were on the road they were playing okay so that was really, it was hard. Anyway, so that was cool. So then their flag football, they fight to the death. As you know, though, too, from your season two, these sports dates always lead to.

Little pets. And it's funny because it used to be, it really did used to stick to the letter with these dates where it was like the winning team. It never follows now. It now never follows because you're you're losing half the drama yeah so you think these people would be like you know it doesn't really matter guys we're all going they're gonna tell us it but no and they played hard and what we played super and what we found from my season and i don't think they realize it but what happened in my season and happened this season as you had, that was a real, because as we talked about,

there wasn't a ton of drama on your season outside of Corinne, but that was one. People remember that one. Yeah. Which one? The volleyball day. Because here's what happened is like, it just doesn't matter

because you saw that here. The girls who tied, they were pissed. They tied. They were like, fuck this bullshit. We were supposed to have this time. So you get the drama anyways. Someone's going to be pissed. They died. They were like, fuck this bullshit. We were supposed to have this time. So you get the drama anyways. Someone's going to be pissed.

You're either going to get the people pissed because they don't get time or you're going to get the other people who thought, I thought I was going to get more time. That's right. So I think the producers just realized, we'll just, you know, either way, we're going to get the drama.

That's right. The person who got the most time didn't even play. So none of it matters. So true. I got to point out that I also loved Madison getting pissed that they tied, which was quite honestly the most genuine and real thing we've seen from Madison. Well, we know from Madison, she's Auburn basketball, the dad coaches, she played. So she knows all about D1.

Oh, yeah. Competitor sports. But she's like she's been kind of this the quiet girl very sweet out you know that's to your point you just don't know it's hard to figure out front runners anymore because it's like hannah ann was sort of the entire thing she's sort of gone away madison same thing yeah but she got real pissed they showed like two seconds and i was like that's the mad Madison I want to see more of. That was genuine and real. I thought it was so funny the way he was trying to explain football to them.

He's like, they're going to run and then they're going to touchdown. And that's bad for us. They're not idiots. They're not idiots, but some of them might not have played McKenna. McKenna didn't seem like a very astute football person. But some of them might not have played mckenna didn't seem like a very uh astute football no person but some of them quite quite athletic actually they really they i gotta say the women this season whether it's the pillow fighting or the football yeah they're not they're pretty good they are really going for it there's a few of them you know sports is not their sport but that's for

the most of them they're pretty good yeah um and so then we get to the meat of the episode where, you know, group date, Alea comes back. And I got to say, so the Alea drama, and then you have the Victoria P, who, by the way, sometimes when I watch this, like there's always like these, when people say villain, it's like, whatever. Well, I think it's funny because going back to your season again, I remember telling people, because it was like, oh, Corinne's kind of the villain. I was like, well, no.

I think the villain is now being redefined. Like, they're real people who have shades of gray, and certain people you think are great. Like all of us. But it's more real. There isn't the, oh, OK okay this is the villain this is the yeah hero and this is um and i think yeah i think you're right i think that people get sort of labeled villain but now you had to label a villain from colton season you might actually say

demi yeah who's also like or you might say colton he might say colton right so it's like it's you have these different kind of moments right yeah exactly but as opposed to it used to be like i remember um sean low season tiara was like that was the villain that was the villain and you want her to get her comeuppance and go home at some point or even ben flanagan season when um courtney won like that was the straight out villain and it was the luke p luke p was pretty well well that's the thing and that's what i was about to say is like now when you get a real villain like a person who like even off off the show might suck you're really then it's great you get the yeah so my point of saying that, I think the only real villain in this group is Victoria P.

Wow. Wow. Well, I have to say, it was bizarre, because that whole thing was, when, with that confrontation where Peter goes, let's all go together, she was sort of like this, like, just trapped and didn't know what to do. Almost the way you'd think Victoria F. might act on the Chase Rice date. Yeah. But where she did, but Victoria P., you're right.

It was sort of, you know. It was clear that she was lying. Also, I'm a little confused. Somebody needs to transcribe her whole thing so you can read it all. Get on that, Jimmy. Yeah. That was one of the. That's right.

That was one of the. For a written transcript, just send $5 to ABC. Yes. For you. But she, so I'm confused. For a written transcript, just send $5 to ABC. Yes. I'll do it for you. But she, so I'm confused. Last week, here's what's so bizarre about the whole fight is I first thought that what Alea's big crime last week was that she said that she knew Victoria P. And then Victoria P. called out Alea saying, well, we know each other, but she asked me

not to say that we know each other. Is that correct? Am I remembering that correctly? No, I think that was it. It was something along those lines. And then all of a sudden- And she's not a liar. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden the fight is, Aaliyah's like, no, we know each other. It's like they were all of a sudden reversed sides. Victoria P is like, well, we know each other, but I barely know her. And Aaliyah's like, not only do I know her- And all of a sudden reversed sides victoria p is like well we know each other but i barely know her and alaya's like not only do i know her into this vegas trip we're like exactly we're homies like we've been hanging out and then well then it was weird it was like unless i heard this one is like we were planning a trip to vegas and then it's like we went to vegas together so the whole truth is bizarre oh victoria Victoria P. is 100% a liar. And you see her get caught in the lie.

And she's just like, I mean, she's a pro. She is an absolute pro. Wow, interesting. If you go back and listen, because she goes, she gets called out. So Peter's just like, hey, you said you knew each other for three hours. And she immediately goes, well, we went to Vegas. And Peter's just like, well, I don't know how you go to Vegas, but I'm pretty sure that means probably more than three hours.

And then she does this whole like, she starts gaslighting him immediately where she's just like, well, this is bizarre and this is my truth. She just starts speaking. She was gaslighting. She starts speaking in these very like vague terms where even when she's sitting across from Aaliyah

and she goes. What started with that weird hug between them two where it was like, they were like two people who just endured this trauma. Yes. No, she's a pro.

She goes up and hugs her and then she's like taking the fake eyelash off her eye. No, Victoria P is a savage. And then when she's faced with this lie she just goes to leah and she goes something to the effect of i didn't fully take the opportunity to become like totally your friend which when you think about what she says you're

like well i guess that could be what does that even mean it's such a vague thing i didn't fully take the opportunity it's just like because she's basically saying well yeah i went to vegas we hung out right but i can't call you my friend because i i didn't fully take the opportunity very clever wording by her i guess you're right i didn't i didn't even you've clearly broken this down and thought about it quite a bit yeah i'm watching this and i was like oh my god she's the worst i think i because i too watched it and I was like, no, I guess I can see where she's coming from and I can see why she's angry at Peter when she gets angry. So yeah. No, she's totally, I'm watching me like I've dated someone like this before.

And it's just like all of a sudden you're just like. So you were triggered? She's totally in the wrong. Yeah, I totally was. She's totally in the wrong. And then all of a sudden Peter is sitting there being like, wait, why why is peter apologizing for any of this he keeps saying i'm sorry i don't mean to accuse you and she quickly is just like why don't you trust me and i'm thinking because you're lying to him wow uh we can only hope those two go home before tell us you know so they don't

make it to like fantasy suite so that we can have them resolve this oh we we definitely need this to happen at tell all and then yeah and then like so peter keeps alea and then well do i mean don't you again as a bachelor when you've played that differently it's fine to keep her but then to give her the group date rose was a baffling move on every level. Yeah, I mean. Just makes no sense. Just like, do you want to join the house again?

Yes. That might have been Peter taking one for the team. Maybe. He had to have known everyone would hate him for that, though. But that's the one you need to take to a team. It's enough to ask her back in the house. Poor Sheehan scored all those touchdowns and chopped liver. Sheehan starts to say

like, I need to talk to you about this. This is really upsetting to me. I worked really hard because I thought winning the game meant we'd get more time. I didn't get this. And then of course, who comes in? Leia. I will say, it is shocking to me, and I don't know, as someone

who oversees the show year after year, season after season, the ability for the contestants to act as if they've never seen the show or never even been told the premise of the show. Right. Or they think if their love language is quality time, that they're somehow going to flourish in this atmosphere. No, I know. And you think somebody would say, I've seen the show. I know, you know. But nobody acknowledges it. Yeah, you atmosphere right no i know and you think somebody would say i've seen the show i know you know but nobody acknowledges it yeah you're right you know well this was my rose like because the one thing no that has also been very you know chris always says all the time there's no rules there's no you know so why don't you just say i don't care what anyone's saying or

telling me to do i'm not no go away we see that a little bit we do well i i always these dates like this uh i enjoy liking to i enjoy pointing out that on my season vanessa never got a group date rose not one not a single one and she didn't because i was just like i i didn't give vanessa a group date rose for three reasons one uh i got a bunch of them and I never won. And I remember thinking, like, I remember with, like, the broken hearted Nick was just all like, but I got all these roses as if they meant something, you know? Right.

And then, you know, I knew I felt very strongly for Vanessa. And part of it was just like, I'm just going to, like, fuck with everyone and not give her one. And the third one is she already had a pretty big target on her back and i was trying not to make it larger it makes sense um so i was like i'm not gonna give her one so meanwhile these girls are all freaking out about this rose that alea got and i'm just like you're spending all this time arguing about about it right well i just but i can understand as we see you know later um at the cocktail party all the the bruises they had on them too though great great work there though yeah somebody could

have been that was a great boy you know they get that shot that shot it is a great this is i think this team right now it is like an orchestra playing at the peak of their powers i mean they are so good yeah they do not miss a trick right now there it's it really is great it is amazing i oh i am 100 convinced oh so then anyway so like he keeps a layer he keeps like he gives her the rose gives her the rose and then by the way and then leaves didn't leave good night everybody enjoy yeah that's right that that is that is the across the bachelor and but more of the bachelor has to bear in those situations yeah i mean and i remember i'm watching this and that's such the difference between the batch and the bachelorette like if hannah b was in this situation caught up in this lie at any point hannah b could have

yelled at say the luke p and everyone's just like this and you can tell peter's just like i know she's lying but i don't want to be a dick you know he's just like very carefully talking to victoria we ever had a guy who sort of is like i'm just not going to put up with this i don't know that we have because i think you're you're really afraid of just being a dick. Yeah, I think that's what's different. You're just like, I don't want to call you out, but what you're saying is weird. I mean, the closest thing, like when I got choked by Jasmine, I was pretty much like, you need to go.

I stopped pretending to care at that point. But yeah, every bachelor is really just worried about being a yeah i think you're you're right but i also think too he genuinely is just you know he he much more wants to love than than not like anybody oh yes like just people he gets a charge out of people he likes people to you know i mean you're you you've met him a little bit so you know i mean he's just he's a good guy and everyone in that position you're just like are you really if for all it is i'm interesting for all the people who like the lead the lead the feels of you want to find love you like you are worried like that pressure that you see that comes out of the bachelor bachelorette is a real fear of but he really does he wants to find love he he believes

in the show he wants it so badly and he never once says like you know some of you are ruining my chances here like i'm getting upset instead it's always confusion it's just like well they're just so confused they're running circles or peter peter got beat up this episode yeah i mean they he they really went they went after him yeah the it's because the women all he does is just go you're right he's just responding the women are creating this drama i mean yes alea showed up and yes he gave her the rose didn't help himself out and yes he keep kept her but to peter's point he is getting misinformation he is being manipulated by victoria p and he's just trying to like follow his heart and these these girls just hate alea for because she she annoys them

well she does something you know i mean the way she talked about the whole thing when she was so she's like oh you guys don't know about chase ways oh the internet knows everything that was so here listen i mean that was sort of where you're like okay she does like to stir the pot oh she she loves the show here's the thing here's the thing here's my i i per like i said this last week oh i'm i'm not defending alea she clearly is doing things you're just like you just you you're hurting yourself that's right like she might even be annoying she might not know when to shut up but she is not this like evil potster also by the way you don't think you don't know that's the way she said that that did not sound like somebody that might be true but i know when i went and when victoria f confronts her she does it in such a logical way

of the you you you've been here you know nobody has a phone how wouldn't it because her whole thing's like how do you guys not know this it's all over the internet victoria f absolutely destroyed her there and also i just feel like victoria f is the only one who has legitimate like reason oh she should have beef she should have beef i also you can't convince me that the person who actually told all the women wasn't alea it it was mckenna because a leia told mckenna she's there she's like oh you didn't hear about chase rice and even leia's like i didn't tell everyone right so but you have to know if you say it that but then it's a suit you know what she told everyone what a leia could have said to to your point if she'd been i mean i know these things are you're

not ready for these things but but she could have said, I only told McKenna. And then once I realized nobody knew, I didn't say anything. Let's get McKenna in here. That's true. That would have been amazing. That would have been great.

You know what else? But I would have been shocked if McKenna told everybody. No, I'm sure she did. I think you're absolutely right. I think she said one thing and then McKenna told everybody.

Yeah. She said, all my friends were like, why'd you get sent home? And I was like, I don't know. Are they like allowed to go tell all their friends they got kicked off The Bachelor? Like, is it supposed to be a secret? Whether they're allowed or not. You're not supposed to say anything. Right.

She kind of like let it slip that she was telling everyone. I mean, sure. Yeah. But to Rob. I mean, they know you're gone. And now. You're home. Just the show is so much bigger

it's so crazy to have seen this show go i mean when i first started working on the show i don't think things like there certainly wasn't twitter i don't even think there were iphones like it was it's crazy how much it's changed so nobody really cared it's like you went on the bachelor and that was it now it's just insane everybody knows you're on's like you went on The Bachelor and that was it. Now it's just insane. Everybody knows you're on. They know you're on before and while the show's filming. So it's a big thing. And I mentioned this, I think, last season on Hannah's season,

and I'm curious your point of view on this, is that now more than ever, the show is like this organic living organism that is still going on even when you guys aren't filming because of social media, because of people's interaction offline, the ability to have content. That's right. And how big it is is that the story, these beeline storylines might be going on,

like literally right now as we speak here. The Bachelor. Something is going on. Peter's season is kind of still going on. Yeah, that's right. That could be talked about at Tell All. That could be talked about at Tell All. That could be talked about at AFR. And that's more, you know, that's very fascinating.

It is. It's pretty crazy. But you're absolutely right. It just goes on 365 days a year. It's really, really crazy that way. What was I going to say? And then, so yeah, I don't know. So we're talking about, yeah, so, you know, Leia's back.

There's all this drama. Peter has been played in your mind. You don't think so? Do you think he's too weak? No, I don't think you're wrong. Is he too weak as a Bachelor? No. Like, these women are great on cast, but they're vicious.

They're... I mean, like... I think they sense his... He's a very nice kind of gentle soul yeah they're i think they they're kind of acting out and they're kind of taking advantage of him being nice like sydney it she seems cool i mean like she's beautiful and i actually like she i find her interesting but she's kind of maybe even a mean girl because she's well to your point you're absolutely right it's such a great analogy i never thought but you're right hannah b would have done the stay in your lane speech yeah like if you want to get to know me ask me about you know when

sydney is saying you don't know my middle name you don't know this that was sydney who said that yeah i think who by the way but i pointed out when because i when she goes you don't i haven't had a chance to tell you who sydney is uh there's an 85 chance that when she said that to peter she confused him because i'm pretty sure peter in his head is probably thinking wait i thought you're sydney right yeah exactly why is she going third that's great at this point he probably was like wait you're not saying who's who's syd sitting here but wait who are you i've been calling you sydney the entire time i'm so sorry yeah who the hell is sydney oh that would have been great i guarantee you that's what he would have been so fantastic also by the way and when you have to get engaged in 10 weeks middle names are just a piece of information you can just not have you don't need not necessary necessary not needed even last names it's initials that's

it oh yeah when when uh when yeah when uh who's calling out uh oh when victoria p was dropping the victoria story she goes no victoria fuller that was victoria f like i don't know exactly her last name is fuller who the fuck is fuller that's right that was amazing that is that is like a weird part about the bachelor um but yeah i mean um you're absolutely right like hannah goes hannah gives a stanger lane speech we all applaud hannah like you go girl if peter gave that speech even though these women are kind of creating this drama and peter everyone would be like oh peter i think there was a way to do it without being, like, saying, you know, because what's interesting, once we started doing Bachelors from previous seasons, starting with Jason Mesnick,

they were always able to say, like, look, I've been, you know, you were able to do it too. I've been in your show. I understand it can be hard. Like, you can give a speech where you say, I know this is difficult. I get it. The same thing, you'd say, I dealt with this with Hannah. And all I can, you know, what Hannah did that was so great was she said,

just worry about us. You know, she said, stay in your lane. That was always the joke. But that's really, and so I would advise everyone, let's all do that same thing. Sydney, I get it. So let's, you and I connect. But don't worry about all this other stuff. Yeah, it's just the tone that Peter's doing it.

It's so very like. No, he's not doing it. And the good thing is if you do it once gently like that then it gives you a license to then be a dick yes okay look i said this you know you didn't listen and i know it's the nature of the show and it's not you know again i always say like i the you know people always ask me questions about producers and like they're just really good at letting things happen yeah that's right they're just really good at letting things happen. Right. They don't, right.

They're just really good at going with that. And so clearly they're not stopping this conversation happening, but you know, the only person who's obsessively talking about Aaliyah is Sydney, who's complaining to Peter that they're only talking about Aaliyah. Exactly. It's always this kind of this fascinating. That's right.

It's like, why? I don't know. Yeah, no, it's true. I don't know. Have we missed anything else? What about Peter's turtleneck look? I thought I killed it. Did better than I did with my turtleneck look. I don't know. When did... Which

season did you wear a turtleneck? It was in Finland. Bachelorette, bachelor, bachelor, bachelor. I mean, I've made fashion mistakes on all my seasons, but the turtleneck story is Carrie, who the wonderful stylist amazing insisted that i wear his turtleneck and turtlenecks are now have they've come back they've come back but yeah they they aren't totally out of nowhere they're they're they're making appearances on red carpets if you will and yeah that looks like a foreign version of the bachelor that doesn't even look

like that's exactly what it looks like some cheesy spy movie that's produced yeah and so carrie's just like you know they're coming back i'm like i don't know man i don't i literally haven't worn this since i was like seven exactly uh but okay man and he it was like one of those things like just do it for me i was like ah fuck it whatever and i was so like itchy and uncomfortable i'm doing this the whole time well there's nothing worse oversized if it was itchy i would have said i'm not wearing this uh and so and then there's like this meme of me just i mean i i'm glad i did it now for the for the meme right and now you got the ronnie dangerfield meme it's great it's uh yeah but uh i thought peter rocked the i feel like peter looked fine with the children yeah good he's good i think he's so enjoying fashion because he has a job

where he wants to wear a uniform so he's liking wearing things that are a little bit yeah yeah he's uh they're styling them up uh so yeah i mean we talked about the one-on-one with kelsey and you know she's great she took a big step forward she i yeah i mean i haven't seen and that i think speaks to why i'm really enjoying the season is because i would i mean you you just don't see that many that much arc in a character that's right this in this short period of time we're like kelsey looked batshit crazy sorry kelsey if you're listening no you're right and i'm watching this episode being like she could win you know here's peter tearing up relating to her and like he mentioned like his mom and her her stepmom and you yeah it's clear to everyone that peter really respects his parents relationship and really like looks up to them and so it's like not that shocking to think that peter

looks at kelsey and thinks i could have the type of relationship with her that my parents have with each other like i would not have thought that yeah no you would never guess that a girl who has a meltdown over a bottle of champagne would then be somebody who has those layers of you know like that real trauma i mean that's got to be awful i don't recall many so you know there's a lot of divorce stories on the badge it's all different days but that one with the the wedding ring the letter like that was brutal and the way she told it was like she got emotional but she seemed you know yeah stoic and it seems sincere and and it was just uh yeah i mean she really she really impressed me no

it was true. If you go back, I know we're not showing clips, I'm just jumping around before we close out. Why, like when the last time Peter is confronting Victoria P and she's just gaslighting the shit out of him and she's just like, I don't want to talk to you. And he's just like, fine, we don't want to talk. No, fine, I'll talk to you. And then they go outside.

I can't believe, I'm over. She takes his hand away from his and they sit down and then he goes, do you want to talk. No, fine, I'll talk to you. And then they go outside. I can't believe, I'm over. She takes his hand away from his and they sit down. And then he goes, do you want to sit down? Well, I can't sit down. Then she sits down. It's just, she's constantly making him feel like, and then she goes, I've opened up so much to you and I've been nothing but honest with you.

She literally pauses between when she says, go back and listen. It's so interesting. I have to watch this. I'm gonna re-watch everything in such a different way go back and listen she can't say the word she can't say the phrase i've been so honest with you without pausing in the middle of saying honest she's lying so much yeah i've been so vulnerable with you i know you have no and i've been nothing but honest with you, so I'm confused about why I'm in this position right now. Also, it was annoying that she didn't play in the football game,

and then after she was like, I wish I could have played, because I'm like, you either get to play or you don't. You don't get to have both. That's right. Victoria P. is definitely the girl who gets headaches all the time, whenever. She had the spinning car trauma. Don't forget that. That's right.

Yes. She's a bit dramatic. I wouldn't be shocked if you date Victoria P. There's a headache or a stomachache or a backache around any corner of something she might not want to do. No? No, you might be right yeah i have a headache sorry my back hurts all these obscure pains that like you can't really say you're not having yeah i mean she had such a traumatic childhood i feel like probably a lot of that

is related you know what i mean it's kind of sad but yeah that could be i mean sure but just just not an excuse to lie you know people have traumatic childhoods kelsey had a traumatic i was gonna say i think nick's shocked to say this but he's saying be more like kelsey right i didn't think you'd be saying this i did not think i'd be saying this like b is level-headed and i mean that is an insane exactly you know kelsey's going to every day like don't be crazy don't be crazy be cool be the cool girl

I gotta I gotta sense watching this that it's I'm not talking about oh I want to date Kelly but like she seems like like from a

friend standpoint I bet like she'd be if she was in my friend group I'd be like you're cool you know like I bet you can watch

a game with her yeah I'm a little disappointed she doesn't know how to polka she's from Iowa yeah she's from the Midwest well that's a big thing yeah i'm sure for you that's a personal very wisconsin yeah it's very wisconsin i was a little disappointed

not being able to polka but hey i know neither here nor there it's all good before we let you go is next week the big uh accident for peter it is next week's the big accident can you give us any insight behind the scenes well i think what you you know because this was sort of to your point everybody sort of knows everything early now so that was that was already known i mean i think people were reporting about it like you know bachelor injured and the thing they made it seem like he like lost his face yeah and it's a pretty happenstance of course it's like once the show goes international so he has to get airlifted to like the only plastic surgeon you know in costa

rica and but um so yeah so it happens but watching it now seeing all this that happens you can see why he's sort of not in his head like it was such a routine accident that shouldn't have happened but it just was, you know, I think he's so thinking about all this stuff. Sure. Yeah. Even normal things like just stepping out of a golf cart with a glass in your hand become difficult. I mean,

we shouldn't be having him fly planes maybe then for his dates. Well, he didn't. Yeah, he did. He did a little bit. I think that actually calms him. Probably.

Yeah. No, being the bachelor will i doubt i will ever do anything as physically and as mentally exhausting it's got to be what's funny because we talk about the different things you know you being a runner those are things that prepare it is difficult like it's why we've always said when we have somebody like i remember years and years and years ago we had a guy named andy baldwin who was a military doctor like that's a guy he stayed up for 24 hour shifts or whatever he was ready to handle it yeah

you know certain people but it is it is an exhausting it's it is tough you have to you push yourself first i mean it's like the first half of season you push yourself to physical limits and mostly that is getting four hours of sleep on a regular basis and then constantly have to you know manage literally emotions and conversations i mean it's funny like this group date when pierre goes oh wow it's 13 of you he's saying this out of like what he knows that he's about to have to do that's right is talk to 11 people he doesn't really want to talk to right he wants to talk to madison he probably wants to talk to hannah and uh who else there's a few victoria p mckenna yeah i

mean i'm being but like at least half of them he doesn't know and it's just like he's just nervous he doesn't know and like he knows he's gonna sit down and he knows he's gonna start getting questions about like i haven't got to talk to you and he's going to know what to say because he doesn't have a connection. The sad thing is, I wonder, was it like this for you? Did you watch the show back and say like, gosh, I wish I'd gotten to know that person? Because to me, it's like the person that really shines, I felt this season, that I'm like, God, you're missing the boat on is Tammy.

Tammy's awesome. Tammy is so cool. Yeah. And I would think you're looking at it you're like god i'm so wrapped up in this drama that i'm not getting a chance to well yes but like not in the point like again you're if peter has an experience anything i had i just i wanted a i wanted a falling love i really did i know it's true he wanted to like and so that was really my only focus right it was like i have 10 weeks and the only thing i know is everyone's expecting me to

get engaged certainly no one forces you you don't have to but there is this expectation sure and you want it to work right and so that's the focus so to that yes sometimes you know tammy who like peter may not be into romantically like but it might be. I don't even know that he has time because you're right. He's focusing on three or four people. Well, you're right. That's the burden of the show is that you're going to first follow your immediate like physical attraction. Not that that's the only thing, but you latch on to like quick reactions and instant attractions. quick reactions and instant attractions, and then you try to build on those rather than, like,

the person you, like, wow, we've been friends for a year and I didn't realize I was going to fall in love with you kind of situation. That can't happen on The Bachelor. I guess that's entirely possible that could happen in life. Well, you can re-watch it and then obviously at the tell-all say, you know, hey, I'd love to be friends. Yeah. Usually it doesn't

happen yeah i didn't have that with the from the women on my season and it seemed like ari kind of did that he was like sliding into becca's becca m's dms oh yeah that's i forgot about that that's right yeah but wasn't that more to be like i like what the hell yeah you know more than us about like what ari's state of mind was after he picked becca but it clearly confused well he was happy for a while i mean i remember being with him for new year's eve and he was happy you know like everything it's like you're happy right after it happens and then obviously we all saw what happened we saw the rest yeah well i will say right around christmas and in new year's was that first moment of like, oh, boy, this could be trouble. Oh, no.

Well, because it's the holidays and the stresses and the premieres right around the corner. Because it's funny, the tape schedule that you're right. Like, it's weird how you're thrown into this couple, you know, potentially engaged like you were, and then literally right into holidays yeah and for you especially who has such a big close family holidays like a big thing with somebody you know so that's got a weird thing you're like you're i'm engaged to this person and like we can't even you can't spend christmas together and then like literally the premieres around the corner the reality steves of the world are dropping information the tabloids or they you tell them not to read anything they start reading it your react it's yeah it's uh it's uh

it's hard um anything else well i know peter says no one knows the answer of what happens yeah thank you for reminding me of course i do know. I do know. You know. He knows. But I got to say, it's pretty crazy. I say that. It's crazy. I'm fascinated that no one really knows. It's wild that Peter is saying this with confidence because when Peter says this, my first reaction is,

oh, what a young pup who doesn't realize how could no one know? But no one seems to know. No one knows. And he's- You know. The thing for him is that- He's in charge.

I know. But he stayed very tight-lipped about everything i think it's just important to him that everybody oh i could tell when i saw him you could you know most i've said this before most leads will want to tell they'll be like i need to tell someone can i tell you you're like in the group you're in the club so to speak you know and i'll be like i don't sure you want to tell me i don't care peter was like yeah you didn't want to not saying anything so how many people do you think know like number wise that many less than 50 maybe oh wow something like that still but it's not people

who work on the show it's the people that then that spread to other people yeah right well that's the thing it's just it's just one you Well, that's the thing. It's just one. You tell... One leak. You tell one, and especially somebody that then loves to tell people. Right. Like, there's certain people, like somebody last season, and a season, you know, there's somebody whose mom loved to just go and tell somebody. Right?

And... It's always the mothers. Always the moms or the aunts or the cousins, and they told someone's a hairdresser in that equation. Yeah, exactly. And then it goes. And then it's just the next thing you know, it's like an LA brush fire.

That's right. It just like turns into a whole mess. You have to take it into tragedy there, Nick. That was great. Yeah. Thanks. Way to bring it down. Sorry.

People are losing homes. It's just, it's very sad. Yeah. So no hints. So on that note. Can note give us any hints about the ending no you don't want hints i want one really my favorite thing enjoying that i'm not spoiling my favorite story that mike flies tells and this is why it's irritating for us with the spoilers and things that end is he was when it was trista's season's batch right and this is when the show was like just massive i mean still like it was, when it was Trista's season as Bachelorette, and this is when the show was, like, just massive. I mean, still like it is today, but it was a different world

where there was only four networks. There was, you know, so everybody really watched things in the same time. And he was at a viewing party, and then he had to leave early. And so he left, like, the last five or ten minutes. And then he gets to the the scene he's walking to his car and it's the scene it's not the house he was at watching the viewing party it was the two houses down the the scene where she picks ryan and he hears the whole place erupt in applause and it's like that's exciting you know it's like a sporting event yeah when you see these things

happen so um that's what's pretty cool it is great i don't know if you've been in the audience when we do for either for yours or for other ones but like when you have like the after the final rose and you're showing these scenes to the to the audience in there and they start just like cheering and everything and it feels it's it's awesome it's great so when you have that element of surprise, it's really, it's great. So I'm excited for this. It's better for everyone. This is going to be a great event for all of us.

We're all going to love it. I am enjoying being spoiler free. I've tried to be spoiler free in the past. I don't think there are spoilers. That's the crazy thing. But that's what I'm saying. I'm enjoying. I truly have no idea.

Yeah, willpower is not your strong suit, Nick. So it's good that you know now you don't have to be uh you know i'm kidding we tease we're friends yeah exactly i know but even when i'm texting peter he was just like so who do you think i pick and i'm like i'm gonna be honest i'm afraid to give you my sense because i don't know yeah who you and i don't want to offend or say anything or or or give an opinion with a critical eye because I don't know. And that's kind of fun to watch it.

It is fun to watch because, you know, I mean, look, the other way is you hear it and then you have to see how it goes. I would still watch it. It's still enjoyable. You know, you have in your mind, here's how it happens. And then it's like, oh, maybe that's a little bit different. But no, this one's pretty cool. But yeah, it is a sporting event.

It is. It is. It's not even the, you know, it used to be like, oh, it's the female NFL. No, it one's pretty cool. But yeah, it is a sporting event. It's the, you know, it is. It is. It's not even the, you know, used to be like, oh, it's the female NFL. No, it's for everyone. There was Barstool Sports last week tweeted out this thing of these guys. It was awesome. You know, these guys screaming when he gave McKenna the final row. So it is.

It's for all of us. It's a new sporting event. And that's why we can have podcasts like this. It's like, I'm a big sports talk radio guy. And it's just new sporting event and that's why we can have podcasts like this it's like that's a big sports talk radio guy yeah and and it's just like no this isn't the nexus of that's what this pop culture that that's right that's why there's so many different podcasts and radio shows because everyone's got a different take and you want to hear it all it's just like well it's just fuck it we'll just do it uh well rob i really appreciate it it was great seeing you man it's great seeing you anything you can tell us about upcoming bachelor stuff i know you have the new uh show coming out listen to your

heart listen to your heart listen to your heart we're excited that's a it's such an interesting thing we started just a couple nights ago and it's fascinating because these are people who all have no ties to the bachelor there's nobody from a previous season there's nobody so it's all like these fresh people who sort of come in i mean there's one guy who was like didn't even know chris harrison was oh my gosh it was great do they have the bachelor look it has the bachelor i mean it feels that's what's weird well yes and no i mean they're they're artists and performers so they do but not all six four they're not all performers, so they do, but... They're not all 6'4". They're not all 6'4", yes, exactly.

They don't all have extensions. But it's interesting watching these people sort of make these intimate musical connections. So it feels like Bachelor, but it also feels like something different. I think that's the thing we've been thinking about. If we do spinoffs, and what really hurt The Bachelor years ago was when it was just The Bachelor in the fall and The Bachelor in the spring was when it was just the bachelor in the fall and the bachelor in the spring and it was just the bachelor so it didn't feel special whereas you were the one bachelor for 2017 or whatever that year was um so this is it's really cool and

it's fun to kind of do things that feel different and fun but still gives you that bachelor fix so people fall in love on the show uh they we just started but hopefully that's the that's the you know that's the goal could you see any of these uh cast members from listen to your heart find their way oh absolutely of course literally said that last night all right and then you're just wondering it's it's like is there gonna be a weird like you know well you're not a real bachelor person you're listening to your heart person no listen as we saw already casting judgment as we saw in this as we saw this episode the bachelor world is it's high school right and it is and i was actually

talking to one of the producers last week and it's just i mean i'm not here to defend Alayah. She's just a person. But in that world, when the cast members smell blood in the water, they're just looking for a reason. And it doesn't even need to be a valid reason. All they're thinking, and just like in life, we can all relate when someone's being picked on, and that's why bullying happens in this world sometimes, is your only thought is, thank God it's not me. Yes. Thank God. It's so hard. It's true. And that happens in this world sometimes is your only thought is, thank God it's not me.

Yes. Thank God. It's so hard. It's true. And that happens in that world. And you see, like, I mean, because, again, the only person who has a legitimate gripe against Alea is Victoria F. And I can understand, other than, like, you know,

Sydney saying she is a, like, I don't know what she says. She just says, you're fake. Everything we've seen from Alea doesn't mean, I mean, I thought that her with the pilots hat on last week was like kind of funny. And it's like, oh, cool, whatever, you know. She might be obnoxious, but it doesn't make her a terrible person. Yeah. It's also just interesting.

It depends on which show, because we always talk about this with you, Nick, like, where you really, where people really saw the real Nick to me was on Bachelor in Paradise. Bachelor in Paradise, yeah. Where it's like, oh, you see how this is a guy who comes from a big family because you were like a brother to everybody there. And that's where it was like, okay.

Where you shine. Yeah, this is where he shines. Whereas sometimes it's hard with a bunch of dudes in there. It's hard, yeah. And like, okay, well, you're not the typical, you know, like dude. Bro, yeah. Bro, and that's the thing thing it's like you can be you know the villain sometimes based off it's most of the time actually especially like you know get to victoria p set herself up but usually the house dictates and it's like the show's not saying this person's a bad person all the show is showing

is these people don't like this person that's right and then as viewers sometimes we decide well we don't yeah the audience kind of joins the little like mean girls club that's right the of the house saying well you don't like her but there must be a reason why i'm not even gonna like figure out if there is i'll just not like her yeah as well yeah nature it is that's right so is bachelor in paradise ever going to change locations do you think or i'll stay on that you never know you know i mean the first season was in a different location oh but that place has sort of become like the bachelor mansion it's so i yeah i don't i don't think you should i think no i don't think we will but you know you know you never say never you never know but i thought it was i thought it was cool i thought it was i really enjoyed i've always

thought at some point it would be fun to do it on a cruise oh I mean that would that would make people crazy it would be great Bachelor and then somebody just gets

gets literally dropped off at a point you know that would be good TV like just put down on a raft into the ocean yeah

it gets slowly that's right you get the dinghy down there yes oh that's great you really you might have to do that

alright Rob thanks so much my pleasure man it's great seeing you you too brother congratulations on all the success over at ABC

you guys are killing it so it's always great to see you thank you for a great show it was fun really fun thanks for listening guys we will see you tomorrow

we have a great interview with Megan and we will see you tomorrow thanks for listening guys we will see you tomorrow we have a great interview with Megan and we will see you tomorrow thanks for listening