The Viall Files - E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! Scotty from Netflix’s The Ultimatum joins to speak peace on his edit. Was he cold to Zaina? Does he love Aria? And why did he confront Caleb? Meanwhile we talk about the accusations that Jay Z may be linked to Diddy, Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo holding space for WICKED, LVP on broadcasting Vanderpump Rules, the Southern Charm premiere, Hawk Tuah’s cryptocurrency, Lindsay Hubbard giving birth, and RHOSLC.  “She’s soulless…” OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Wonderful Pistachios - Visit https://www.WonderfulPistachios.com to learn more Shopify - Sign up for your $1 per month trial period at https://www.shopify.com/viall  Nutrafol - Right now, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off any order! Enjoy free shipping when you subscribe. Go to https://www.Nutrafol.com  and enter the promo code VIALLGIFT. Quince - Gift luxury this holiday season, without the luxury price tag. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Dreamland Baby - Go to https://www.dreamlandbabyco.com and enter my code VIALL at checkout to receive 20% off sitewide + free shipping. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (06:19) - Household Headlines (33:46) - Vibes VS Stats (35:30) - The Ultimatum (40:57) - Scotty Interview (01:18:49) - Post Call Chat (01:33:35) - RHOSLC (01:48:37) - Southern Charm (02:00:13) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @scottyslewis @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @the_mare_bare @dereklanerussell   

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That's in the next season of Reclaimed, the lifeblood of Navajo Nation. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vyphod Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick. What is going on everybody? We have a very exciting week. Crazy week. It's crazy. It starts off, well tonight for those listening, Kathy Hilton's Christmas party. Kathy Hilton's Christmas party,

which last year that we went was I was very pregnant and Miriam Crosby was like, you're having a boy. And Nick was like, you're close. And that was my one interaction with Mary. Who else did we bump at? That's where I met Paige Peck. That's where you met Paige Peck. Of course, became besties with Paige.

Yes, Crystal. Crystal, yes, we met Crystal. We met Crystal there. I had met Crystal before that. Wasn't Kyle there? Kyle was there? I think they're all kind of there, yeah. Last year it was a star-studded reality TV cast, for sure.

And Kathy Hilton had brought in Real Snow. Can't wait to circle back on that one. We'll see if she has Real Snow again. I'm excited for all the people that you're gonna see that maybe were there last year that you didn't recognize. Now you guys are just big Bravo people. It's like, oh shit, a wall to wall. Do you think Teddy Mellingham's gonna be there

now that she's living with Kyle? Last year she was interviewing on the red wall. I know. Do you think Teddy Mellingham's gonna be there? Yes. Now that she's living with Kyle? Last year she was interviewing on the red carpet. She was. Yeah. They made her work it? I don't think they made her work it. I think it was like I would love to like, I think she wants to continue her like.

Teddy's always working. Hosting. Yes. Yes. Yeah, Teddy's always on. She's clocked in. She's always on. Yeah.

She's living with Kyle now. In the glam room. So I've heard. What do you mean? The glam? The glam. She's got like a huge upstairs glam room and apparently it's to die for.

Who announces or how did this? Teddy did. Teddy announces. She's like, I moved in with Kyle. Has Kyle said anything? No. Not that I don't know. Okay.

I went to the Lakers family holiday party this past weekend with Chambliss and Crystal was there with her husband. And so I was like, wow, Crystal, you really, you've gotten me diamonds. Now we're at a Lakers holiday family party and there's like Hermes bracelets and SMEG appliances. Now he's part of the Lakers family.

Wow. I am part of the Lakers family. I am part of the Lakers family. They're just giving away Hermes bracelets and smeg products? Yes, they were. Did you get it? Yes, I did. Are you gonna babysit Brawny?

You know, we, so we went to the game after, we sat in a suite. I don't think I'll be going back. No? You know, LeBron was hurt, so he was not playing. Brawny was very comfortable on the bench. Yeah. Yeah. He was wearing like his full on track suit.

If dad's hurt, Bronnie doesn't get in? Is that how it is? Does that work? It was like the only, they're all children. There's no like take your kid to work day? Yeah. Like the only person I recognized was Anthony Davis and the rest of them, I'm like, who are these children?

Gotta go to a Sparks game. I don't know who that is. The Los Angeles Sparks, the WNBA game. You gotta support your ladies. Oh, yes. Yeah. Of course. We'll come back in May, we'll come back in May.

Okay, okay, okay. But yeah, so we stayed for the first half and then we were like, Nick, where are you? We're getting the hell out of here. Then we went to Joey's little Dance with the Stars celebration. Oh, cute. How was that?

And Jenna's little celebratory. It was cute, it was on a rooftop. EPLP, for those of you who don't know. Yeah. Our own darn little venue. Rooftop. I chatted with Tanner from charity season. Ah, yes. Who was just seen with Julian Hough on a date. Oh, cool.

Leaving the sportsman's lodge. Famously thinks we hate him. Yes, but we did clear the air. He still hasn't let it go. Is this the Tanner that was also remembered to be dating Brittany Cartwright? him. Yes, but we did clear the air. He still hasn't let it go. Is this the Tanner that was also rumored to be dating Brittany Cartwright? Yes. Okay, okay.

He's really making the reality, he's really. Yeah, I mean, Julianne Hough is huge. Which one's Julianne Hough? Which one is Julianne Hough? She's one of the ones like, dancing with the stars. She's a very good dancer. Derek and Julianne Hough.

Short blonde hair. Not, I think I get, Julianne Hough, I get confused with like Julianne Moore. Short blonde hair. Not, I think I get, Julian Huff, I get confused with like Julian. There's like a lot of, you know, I know they're not similar, but it's like, you know how like Holly Hunter, Helen Hunt, and Jodie Foster are all three different people,

but aren't? Are they? Yeah. Yeah, it's like that. And I think Julian Huff like gets in that with someone else with me and I can't remember. But if I saw a picture of her. How does Helen Hunt fit into the equation

of Jodie Foster and- I have a whole Helen Hunt fit into the equation of Jodie Foster and... Oh, I have a whole theory. It's all variants of Jodie Foster. So Jodie Foster is like the gay one. And then you have Helen Hunt, which is like the straight man's version of Jodie Foster. And then Holly Hunter, which is like the slave version. Holly Hunter.

Holly Hunter. She's Elastigirl. She is in broadcast news. Very incredible in broadcast news. She has that voice. Holly Hunter. She has that voice. Oh, Holly Hunter.

Holly Hunter. What? No. Yeah. They don't look anything like. Holly Hunter. But if you look at Holly Hunter, Helen Hunt, and Jodie Foster, they're all auditioning

for the same roles in the 90s. Oh, that I believe. And it's just crazy that there were three of them. And now there's like no one to lead these movies anymore. Anyway. Anyway. Interesting. They kind of give the same energy. Oh, Julianne Hough.

Okay, see I just showed me a picture of Julianne Hough. I do remember her now. I did ask him about her. Yeah? Yeah. What'd he say? He said that that was their first date. And it shows a very public venue.

That's what I said. I said, was this staged paparazzi? He was like, I don't know if it was staged. I believe he doesn't know. And he was like, we went to the dog park and then we went to Sugarfish and then we went back to her house. And I was like, oh my gosh, and now she's pregnant.

A home visit. And a home visit, yeah. So he was like, you don't think Julian Huff would date an idiot, do you? And I guess he was, maybe we called him idiot, maybe on the show. We wouldn't have said that word. I don't like that word.

He doesn't let it go. I don't like that word. He doesn't let it go. I don't like that word. Do we call him a dummy? No, but it's just like the first time you see these people then it's kind of like a poking back, like a you called me this. He was like, I don't remember what you called me. You told Joey he had Oompa Loompa hair.

And I was like, I don't remember either. He's like, yeah, it was something about maybe you called me boring. I'm like, well, that makes sense. And I'm like, so you do remember. But also I said to him boring is a compliment when you're on reality TV. It's kind of a backhand a compliment, but it is a compliment. Yeah, for sure. Because I'm like, so you do remember. But also I said to him, boring is a compliment when you're on reality TV. It's kind of a backhand compliment,

but it is a compliment. Yeah, for sure. Because like, you just seem like a decent human. You're a good person. And just like not- They even have character. Yeah, it's a good thing. You're not saying anyone has a high body count hair.

High body count hair. That was insane. Yeah. That was really crazy. Should we get into some headlines? Oh, let's get into some headlines. Oh, we unfortunately, Jay- headlines. Oh, we unfortunately. Jay-Z. Oh my god, that's where we're starting?

Dark? Well, I mean, you know, we wanna keep this show light and aspirational and positive vibes, but this is a big story. Yeah, it is. I feel like this is the start of all of them. Of what's to come. Yeah, I mean, this is a massive allegation.

This is kind of, I always go back to remember, maybe you guys don't remember, because some of you are pretty young, but there was a period of time, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago, when everybody knew that R. Kelly was a pedophile. Everyone knew it, and Hollywood was doing bits about it. It was like a running joke, like Dave Chappelle, it was part of his,

like the Chappelle show and they were just like, it was a bit, like everyone knew about it. Everyone talked about it and R. Kelly was just like, still making music, walking the streets as a free man. And like we all knew and did nothing about it. It was so kind of bizarre and weird. We were just like, ha ha ha ha ha, creepy, creepy, creepy, disgusting, disgusting, disgusting.

R. Kelly has this thing for like- But like downloading his new song. But like, yeah, and we all just kind of went along with it. And like, I don't know, like it's time to pay the reaper. It sounds like maybe, I don't know. Jay-Z obviously issued a denial statement. Also Jay-Z, R. Kelly, and Diddy, they all ran in the same crowd way back when.

Lots of videos together. They went to lots of parties together. I mean, I don't know. It's like, how, do we really believe that all these celebrities at these parties didn't know what was going on? I mean, I remember the lawyer that's going against Diddy, he filed 120 civil lawsuits. This was three months ago. I can't even imagine what's going against Diddy, he filed 120 civil lawsuits.

This was three months ago. I can't even imagine what's come out since then. So I'm like, yeah, we're slowly gonna start chipping away at who is named in these lawsuits. The lawyer who is filing these claims, he's also, I believe, I saw, I went on his Twitter, he's also a Marine recon officer? Which Jay-Z does call out in his response statement.

He refers to his service of the country? He does. He responds to this lawyer and says, my lawyer received a blackmail attempt called a demand letter from a quote unquote lawyer named Tony Busby. So for those who don't know, a demand letter is something that if you are going

to sue someone, it is something you send to this person as like a, kind of like a heads up, like we demand that you wronged us and it's like an opportunity to settle basically at saying you did this shit, we want this in return before we make it public and sue you. A demand letter is not public, a lawsuit is. Okay, so he says, from a lawyer named Tony Busby, what he had calculated was the nature of these allegations

and the public scrutiny would make me want to settle. No, sir, it had the opposite effect. It made me want to expose you for the fraud you are in a very public fashion. So no, I will not give you one red penny. These allegations are so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one.

Whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away. Would you not agree? These alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case. This lawyer, who I have done a bit of research on, seems to have a pattern of these type of theatrics. I have no idea how you come to such a deplorable human,

Mr. Busby, but I promise you, I have seen your kind many times over. I'm more than prepared to deal with your type. You claim to be a Marine? Marines are known for their valor. You have neither honor nor dignity. My only heartbreak is for my family. My wife and I will have to sit our children down, one of whom is at the age where her friends will surely see the press and ask questions about the nature of these claims, and explain the cruelty and greed of people. I mourn yet another loss of innocence. Children should not have to endure such at their young age.

It is unfair to try to understand inexplicable degrees of malice meant to destroy families and human spirit. My heart and support goes out to true victims in the world who have to watch how their life story is dressed in costume for profitability by this ambulance chaser in a cheap suit. You have made a terrible error in judgment thinking

that all celebrities are the same. I'm not from your world. I'm a young man who made it out of the projects of Brooklyn. We don't play these types of games. We have strict codes and honor. We protect children. You seem to exploit people for personal gain. Only your network of conspiracy theorists, fake physics,

will believe the idiotic claims you have levied against me at that. If not for the seriousness surrounding harm to kids would be laughable. I look forward to showing you just how different I am. What is the? The lawyer responds and says, regarding the Jay-Z case and his efforts

to silence my clients, Mr. Carter previously denied being the one who sued me and my firm. He filed his frivolous case under a pseudonym. What he fails to say- That's now been confirmed that it was in fact, Jay-Z who did file an anonymous claim against this Tony guy. After-

Like a month ago, he filed a claim under like a John Doe trying to protect his identity saying, you're going after me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What he fails to say in his recent statement is my firm sent his lawyer a demand letter on behalf of an alleged victim and that victim never demanded a penny from him. Instead, she only sought a confidential mediation. Since I sent the letter on her behalf, Mr. Carter has not only sued me, but he has tried to bully and harass me and this plaintiff. His conduct has had the opposite impact. She is emboldened. I'm very proud of her resolve as far as the allegations in the complaint filed

We will let the filing speak for itself and will litigate the facts in court not in the media I said a curiosity with Jay Z with all his vigor of like protecting kids and like having to sit down with his kids Did he make a statement when his when his homie when his pal? Did he got arrested or like beat his ex-girlfriend or anything like that. Did he like say anything and condemn Diddy for anything like that or like, you know? You know, I didn't see anything in the headlines. And like not to like bring up stuff from the past,

but also like Foxy Brown came out saying that she dated Jay-Z when she was 15. How old was Beyonce when they got together? Unclear. There's been a lot of articles or interviews that it's, you know, sometimes she's floating around that 18, 19 year old age range. Yeah.

Unclear. I've been anti-Jay-Z since Solange punched him in that elevator, to be honest. Oh my God, I forgot about that. As soon, like since Lemonade, I've been like, fuck that man. I completely forgot that she punched him in that elevator. That was crazy. I think about it often. And even the like, Aaliyah stuff where she was like, underage with. That's how I. I completely forgot that she punched him in the elevator. That was crazy. I think about it often.

And even the like, Aaliyah stuff where she was like, underage with R. Kelly and he was around and like, you didn't do anything to stop that from happening, so. Yeah, so it's like, you can't just now start protecting children. You know? I mean, by all means, I'm like,

I'm sorry that this is happening in a sense for his kids, because that sucks, but I'm like, if you did do this, you're gonna have to address it. I mean, obviously this is all speculation at this point. This is all like alleged accusations. But it's not alleged that Jay-Z and P Diddy were very close and went to a lot of parties together. I just don't know how you like don't see some shit.

And especially if you're Jay-Z, one of the most powerful people in entertainment, you're like, you're in the know. You know what I'm saying? Like you're not hard to think that one of the most powerful people in entertainment in the music industry is ignorant. And like, doesn't know, and like, ooh, I didn't realize,

and oh, that was going on, ooh, silly me, you know? Just hard. Oh, she looked so young, but I could have sworn she was 27. It's hard, like, it's. And there are people that have messed with them and hung out with them that have separated themselves long before all of this, whether it's being screwed over

by them, whatever, I'm like, and you make a choice every year to show up to the white party, to show up to the events and everything. So I'm like, you can't tell me you're that close to show up to everything, but you don't know what's actually going on. Speaking of crimes, Hawk Toa. Hailey Welch is criticized for meme coin launch after price crashes. I don't really understand a lot of the Bitcoin talk. I think she's getting some bad advice from some people. Yeah, I don't know if this is like a jail time type of thing. I don't know.

But it seems. It's getting a lot. It seems bad. It's getting a lot of attention from a lot of people and people in power. It sounds like this whole situation also happened very quickly, like that the stock for her coin went up to like 500 million or something and then within- The market cap.

I don't even know what that means. But within minutes, people sold it. So it's like all of a sudden the value of that coin went down astronomically and people who invested money into it lost it and then they're claiming that the three main people that got money was her and her team. And so they're trying to have them explain it. But the thing is that this whole situation is super unregulated.

So I'm like, I don't really know who's going to come after her for this. It's because 80 to 90% was controlled by her team. Right. So they sold it right away. So they made the money and everybody else that bought into it lost it immediately. Has Miss Haley spoken about any of this?

She tried. They went on a livestream and tried to have a conversation, and then she was just like, I need to go. She doesn't really seem to be playing the long game here. She's definitely playing the whole make it while you can kind of attitude. I mean, when we had her on the show, she seemed very quite sweet and lovely. She was like, I wanna do charity work. I wanna work with like animals. And now she's like,

she is lean, I mean, crashing Bitcoin or something. It's like, what happened? Well, she means she sure, like when we had her on, obviously she was like right after she became like, a hoctua girl. I wasn't really sure.

But she was like giving all of her money away. And so now it is just like. She did Brianna Checkerfries podcast, and then she did ours. Like she hadn't really sure. But she was like giving all of her money away. She did Brianna's Chicken Fries podcast, and then she did ours. Like she hadn't really talked to anyone about anything, and then she was talking about doing charity and stuff. And it seemed clear that like her management team was from like the comedy space, you know, which is male dominated.

And we quickly, after having gone and realized that like her main core audience is like middle-aged men. It's like a heart, it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like,

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is the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. Seems a very internet pro thing to me. Yeah, 100%. She went viral because a bunch of dudes followed her. Yeah, but I guess it's just more like her decision or her team's decision or whatever. Whoever's decision is to like lean into that rather than to like take this platform

and then try to like play the long game and slowly kind of like decide what you want your platform to be about rather than saying a bunch of internet bros are fans of me, let's do the internet bro playbook and then kind of destroy her credibility. It's an interesting path to go down this route. I definitely saw her selling razors

on her social media or something, or hair care gummy bears or something, or doing standup comedy, but I definitely could not have predicted this path. It's crazy. Of NFT, Bitcoin, whatever, meme coin, whatever the hell that even is. The thing is too, is that their team published

a thing called Hakanomics, where after they made the money and sold everything, they basically cooperated that a majority of the shares went to kind of like insider people. The fact that she is going down for the same thing Martha Stewart did is insane to me. Well, it's not quite the same. Not quite the same.

And people- I don't even think it's the same. No, it's not, but like insider trading. People were losing like millions of dollars too. Like someone lost $3 million investing in it. Yeah, it's like, can she go to jail for this? Martha Stewart, to be clear, did not scam anyone. No, she just technically lied. She definitely just did a no-no.

She did the thing that again, everyone in Congress does every day, where Haley ripped off people. People lost millions of dollars. Yeah, Martha. Who those people were? Actually did, yeah. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. If you're buying hawk to a Bitcoin though, like meme coins. I was gonna say, yeah. I don't feel bad for you. Thank you. Well, I mean, I don't know,

like what if you were just a young buck who didn't know any better, you know? Again. Still. I feel like they have stock markets for a reason. If you're gonna give $3 million to somebody who doesn't work in this field and all of a sudden it's a hock meme, hock to whatever. Then I'm like, if you gave $3 million

and lost $3 million, like who do you have to blame for that? Blame yourself for investing in hockonomics. Like invest in Apple or Disney or something. I can say for sure, she may be spitting on that thing, but it's not gonna trickle down. Ew. Okay. Economics jokes from Mary.

Thank you. All right. What's next? Are you holding space for your economic jokes? Oh, I'm so holding space for my economic jokes. I don't know if I can take it anymore. I'm done with holding space. Are you?

I'm done with it. I'm not. No, but the question is, do you know how to be here? I think the bigger question is, is I don't give a fuck. Wow. I think she is playing, did you see this interviewer? Who's her? The interviewer, what's her name, Tracy?

Tracy Gilchrist. She's having a ball. Oh my gosh, she's got a brand deal with Mac. Yeah, if you're a journalist for Out Media, Out Magazine, and then you get to do a Mac, like, No, this is a piece for her. She's gonna lean in. She's gonna lean in. Yeah, she should. Yeah, she's gonna hold space for that. But I think a Mac, like. She's gonna lean in. She's gonna lean in.

Yeah, she should. Yeah, she's gonna hold space for that. But I think the whole. For that chat. Hold space for that bank account. Yeah. Cynthia and Ariana did like a follow-up interview to the interview.

And they tried to play it off as if they were like, it was all a bit. But like my biggest takeaway is, I don't know if I trust you then or trust you now, but I think you're just full of shit. I don't think it was a bit. I think they were genuinely confused and trying to not insult the interviewer, and they're like, oh, really? Like, people are doing that?

But Cynthia was, like, crying, wasn't she? There's a difference between being polite. There's a difference between being polite and saying, oh... Yeah, there's a difference between being polite and being like, oh, thank you. Thank you. You just say thank you. Versus, like, crying and putting out a whole act and, like... I think she just said, thank you, thank you. You just say thank you. But first is like crying and putting out a whole act. I think she just said, that's what I wanted.

No, she was like, really? I didn't realize what was going on. Cynthia thought that the interviewer was saying something else. And then Ariana was just incredibly confused because she was like, am I hearing things wrong? What did she think she was saying? I don't know.

They didn't clarify, but Cynthia was just like, I interpreted the question as something different. So she was emotional and then she was confused because she was like, did I hear that right? And then Ariana just like, I interpreted the question as something different, and so she was emotional, and then she was confused because she was like, did I hear that right? And then Ariana was like, I was just trying to be there. And Cynthia was like, and I didn't know where I was. And then Ariana was like, and the only thing I could think of to comfort her was to stroke the finger,

and I didn't know why I tapped it. Well, Ariana said, it seems clear that Ariana really didn't know what was going on. It was just trying to be there for Cynthia. But Cynthia's actions seem unclear. It's like, well, why are you- When Cynthia was like, I also was just trying to be there

in the follow-up interview. She was doing it there. And then she was like, I didn't know how to be there. And I'm just like, how does it mean to be there? I'm also like, where are we? Also, this follow-up interview was all very unserious. I don't think that they're really,

I think you're taking, I think you're reading this at face value. I think they were embarrassed. No, they're not embarrassed. Everyone loves it. They think this is so funny. Sure, but a lot of people are laughing at them. I'd wear the shirt.

I'd wear the shirt too. A holding space shirt. Holding space shirt. With just a finger. I think for the target demographic of Wicked, which is gay people, gay people are eating this up. Ariana said, Evan Ross Katz sent her a shirt immediately.

So that means it's like real. The gay men's chorus. They're ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's Adele de Zim is what it is. I love that so much. The wickedly talented. The wickedly talented. It's Adele de Zim is what it is. I love that so much. The wickedly talented.

The wickedly talented. Adele de Zim. Has he ever said anything about that? I don't know. Yes, yes. The way he tried to introduce Idina Menzel. Yeah. I do remember.

Every time someone involved in Wicked gets brought up, the funniest thing in the world happens and I can't wait for the part two press tour. In reality TV world- That one is the whole part two? Yeah, next year. We get to do this all again. In the reality TV world, Lindsay Hubbard gave birth finally. What was she like, 47 weeks pregnant?

Oh my, she was like, woo! She was doing everything she could to induce labor. And I don't know what finally did the trick but she has given birth to her daughter, Jimma Britt Coof. Maybe she had to like call Carl. And like shock her system. Get stressed out.

Yeah, maybe. I don't know, she was eating all of the like, you know, stuff everyone says to eat. She was walking along the curb. She's bouncing on her ball. If your ex like right after you break up, gets pregnant, do you have any type of like, could have been your dad type of energy feelings?

We should, I mean Gypsy, Rose, hello. Should I text Ryan? We clearly saw that play out in the media where she had to get a paternity test, so. Well I don't mean like literally, but like is there, do you think Carl's sitting there being like, That could have been me. That could have been my baby.

It's gotta be a kind of an odd, you know, and an interesting feeling, you know? It's like, it really closes the door on a chapter of your life, for sure, you know? Jimma Britt, they did the iconic handhold of the baby picture, no face, just handhold. No face, no case. Cute. Paris and Nicole, the encore.

We excited to watch? I will. I didn't watch the first one. What? I loved Simple Life. Simple Life was so good. It came out at a time where I don't think we even had MTV. What, were you in college?

Maybe, I don't know, when did it come out? 20 years ago. Yep, yeah. 2004. Okay, so I wasn't living at home, I definitely had MTV. I know, maybe I was, it just, you know. It's worth a watch. It's one of the funniest things in the entire world.

It is something that will be quoted till the end of time. Yeah. No, I mean, they are iconic. I do remember it. I just never sat down and watched it. So the official trailer for the encore of time. Yeah. No, I mean, they are iconic. Yeah. I do remember it. I just never sat down and watched it. So the official trailer for the encore has dropped. The synopsis is more than 20 years since OG reality icons Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie

first took the world by storm. The lifelong friends reunite in a new special following the dynamic duo as they try to produce a once in a lifetime operatic performance based on the self coined phrase. Sanasa. Sanasa. They're just so unserious.

And I live for it. Wait, Nick, can you say Sanasa? Sanasa. And then keep saying it. Sanasa, Sanasa, Sanasa. Sanasa. Is it a song? Sanasa.

Well, their song is Sanasa. Sanasa. Sanasa. Sanasa. Sanasa! Oh my gosh. So that's exciting. It's like to reboot A Simple Life,

it is the best reboot possible because they're self producing in operatic, like it's just so genius and so perfect and it better win an Emmy. It better win an Emmy. It's basically like, they're basically doing like, have you guys ever seen Waiting for Guffman? One of my favorite movies. Yeah, they're waiting for Guffmaning, A Simple Life.

It's this mockumentary. Never even heard of it. Crisp or Guess movies. Best in Show. Oh, I saw Best in Show. Same director, same writer, same friend. Regional theater production. Yeah, so instead of dog show,

yes, regional theater production. I'll watch that. Like this is what we're gonna be getting. Have you seen... For your consideration? That too. A Mighty Win. A Mighty Win.

Yes, yes. Christopher Guest. All of them are great. He's married to Jamie Lee Curtis. Lisa Vanderpump spoke out about the... He's a six finger man in Princess Bride. Yep, spinal tap. Boring. Lisa Vanderpump spoke out about the- He's a six finger man in Princess Bride. Yep, spinal tap. Boring.

Lisa Vannerpump you said? Lisa Vannerpump spoke out about the revamp of Vannerpump rules. Of course she did. She said it wasn't just my decision, it's the network. Everybody really thought about it. I don't think it was her decision period. You don't think she has any sort of say in that?

She is executive producing it. Yeah, right? I don't think she has much of a say. All right, well somebody call Vicki and figure out what an executive producer does. Yeah. Thank you. She's gonna be pissed we called her.

She's got a lot of shit going on right now. She's got a Vicki credit, yeah. Yeah. She's got a Vicki credit. She said, I think it was like we told the story, it's time to go back to the original premise of the show, which was so fascinating, I think it's time to go back to grassroots.

I think Lisa is just ready to be back on TV full-time. Yeah. So. It feels like I'm tired of these people stealing my thunder and fighting for airtime with the original cast. Yeah, I mean, she does make good point of just being like, this one didn't wanna film with this one, this one won't be in the same room as this one,

and that's just not what that show was about. So, you know, it was 12 years, 11 seasons. She cannot minimize, and she doesn't want to, the importance of how great the cast was and how open they were. They were open. They were great. So and how open they were. They were open. They were great. So true. Until they were.

Until they were. Yeah. I mean, she makes a fair point about how can you make a show about a group of friends when they're not friends anymore? And we've said it before. Well, yeah. I just really hope they go back to,

I don't know if they will, but I want to see the whole like, you know, they came to Hollywood to try to become famous, you know, not came to Hollywood. And by famous, I mean like an actor or a singer. Not to be on Vanderpump Rules. Not to be on Vanderpump Rules. Well, I think it's like, they can't work,

if that's actually the plot of the show, then them working at Sir, like, doesn't compute anymore. Like, it would have to be about, like, someone's assistant. Or they would just, like, have to keep with the old formula which means like obviously you're getting onto this show with no money and you're being paid no money. So it's like your life depends on you having your waiter job but also it's like you being out there

in the world trying to make something of yourself and having a camera to aid in that but not to be like the source of your fame. They need this contract to like not allow these people to make social media brand deals for at least, they need to need this job. Like when Vandermark first came out, the entire cast needed this show to work.

Yes. Like I wanna see their East Hollywood studio apartment with a burnt down lot next to it, which is my first apartment. Can't have the microwave going at the same time as the light on. And then I have to be put in a position where it's just like, protect my character in soul

or make this work. Mm-hmm. And they have to constantly be faced with that moral decision of maybe commit a crime-ish or season two. Yeah. Will we ever get Jax just stealing a pair of sunglasses on a vacation? Like will we get that?

I don't know if we'll ever get a Jax Taylor again, nor should we, but we can be grateful for the time we've had with him. Nor should we. This is true. That is true. It is like, this is a different era of reality TV too that this is happening in, so it'll be interesting

to see if the characters that they find are as psychotic as certain members of the original Vanderbilt. Probably not. Yeah, they're too self-aware. Y'all know how like crazy the internet is? Yeah. You know how Lisa Barlow was like, I was sitting at the Finley show right next to Kim K

and Sarah Jessica Parker, where were you? Or whatever. Well, uh oh. The fans did pull up photos. Where seats are in. Photos from the fashion show where Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker are sitting next to each other

and Lisa Barlow's nowhere to be found. Now maybe she was in the bathroom when this photo was taken. Maybe she was taking a tinkle. She could have been tinkling. Lisa Barlow does not lie. We know that. Yes, of course.

Is there an empty seat in these photos? You know, it's looking quite packed, I will that. Yes, of course. Is there an empty seat in these photos? You know, it's looking quite packed, I will say. It's looking full. There's also two people on either side of Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker. Let me see the photo. Which their heads are turned, so I cannot tell exactly who they are.

That is no disrespect to them. Maybe after Lisa got up, they like quick, squeeze, slide in. Slide in, we need a photo. Yeah, we need a photo. I'm sure there's so many photos from this fashion show. Slide in, we need a photo. Yeah, we need a photo. Maybe. Yeah. I'm sure there's so many photos from this fashion show. Lisa did upload her own receipts. She did?

She was in the front row. It just looked like she was in a front row somewhere else, maybe further back in the darkness. So she was at a different front row? Like the third. So she was front row. She was further down the row in the front. With Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker, not next to.

Right, so she wasn't lying. Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker. Okay. Oh, I was front row in the front. With Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker, not next to Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker. Okay. Oh, I was front row with, okay. So they were all, so she's also front row. The statement was a little misleading, but she was also front row. Okay, I mean, that makes sense.

You know, she did not say sitting with or next to or alongside. She said sat near, which technically. She said near? Near, I mean, if you're in the same, which technically. She said near. Near. I mean, if you're in the same row, that is kind of near. I was in LA with Taylor Swift. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, is that the equivalent? You're at the airport with Joshua Jackson. I was at the airport with Joshua Jackson. Yes, that's true. Yeah. I one time worked as a PA on an ASAP Rocky music video, so technically we hung out and are very close.

Yeah. We spent a 16-hour day together. I went to the Packer game with Jordan Love. Yeah, that's crazy. While he played and he went live, so yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Wow.

Awesome. You went to the Laker game with LeBron James. I was with LeBron at the Lakers game. I hung out with Ellie the Elephant at the Macy's Day Parade because I saw her from about 60 feet in the air. Okay, there you go. Should we finish talking about our big week? If you haven't heard about Seth and Carlyle's Christmas party,

they be iconic. I've been to it two other times, long time ago. I was the bachelor when I got invited before and I kinda had a connection and I was on Family Guy so then I got an in. You weren't Family Guy? Yeah. As himself. Hell yeah. So then like I got like an in. You were on Family Guy? Yeah. As himself.

As me. Hell yeah. Kind of cool. And that's where Sacha Baron Cohen and his now ex-wife, Isla Fisher, tapped me on the shoulder and said they liked my work. To which I was very flattered. But now Nellie and I got invited as a couple.

Ooh. Moving up in the world. I don't have outfits for either. So I'll be wearing a trash bag. I know what shoes you'll be wearing. Yes, you do. Guys, nine. Get them scuff shoes, some tread work.

Yeah, let's get our money's worth on that, please. Yes. You mean you're kind of giving, this sweater is kind of giving Ted. D? No, the South MacMarlan movie, Ted. Oh, Ted, got you. Oh, yeah, of course.

You look like a little teddy bear. Yeah, I'll just wear this and be like, hey, I'm your movie. Yeah. I'm not in spirit for the holidays, I'm in spirit for your movies. Yeah. Big fan, big fan.

I mean, Ted season two is streaming on Peacock. Season two? Yeah, they made two seasons of it. Interesting. Never seen it. Oh, well this week we have Riley Green on a special episode of Going Deeper. You will not want to miss that.

He's like a country music, new heartthrob. Everyone's talking about him on TikTok. He's taken country music by a world when- He's a dreamy man, has dreamy eyes. We taught him about love languages. That was fun. We did teach him about love languages and we got into his love life,

which he doesn't talk about often. Yeah, we really ripped it out of him. We did. He's no longer together. His body parts are- of life, which he doesn't talk about often. So. We really ripped it out of him. We did. He's no longer together. His body parts are. Yeah, wow. Ripped down.

Well, that was a real. He really went deep. To see that undressing, listen on Wednesday or watch. Undressing. Yeah. Full of puns over here. Yeah, it was really, really good.

You know who's a football fan? Who? Timmy, little Tim. Timothae Chalamet. Bob, Timothmy, little Tim. Timothée Chalamet. Bob, Timothée Chalamet. Timothée Chalamet. You got it. Timothée Chalamet, yes.

Chalamet. Timothée Chalamet. No longer a complete unknown is his knowledge of football. College football. College football. Is he only watch college football, not NFL? Not specified. That's good.

But another clip was college. Sorry, is there different things? I thought they were all one. Talk more about football now, Justin. This vibes versus stats segment of the Waffles brought to you by Wonderful Pistachios. Wonderful Pistachios with no shells come in a variety of flavors, including chili roasted, honey roasted,

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How did you guys do on Vi Versus Stats? Well, um. Packers lost. Packers lost, so we all lost. Yeah, I'm really sorry about that. That's fine, listen, listen, listen. We'll get them in the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was a sad day in our household. Yeah, so the Packers lost, so we both lost because we both chose the Packers with the Bills with the Rams. The Rams won. Who picked the Rams? You did. I picked the Rams.

You picked the Rams. You guys. So you are, you're still ahead. You're 13 and 11. You're really not that ahead though. Eight and 13, like you're really like, it's nothing. You know? Well, yeah. Get off like you're really like, it's nothing. Well, yeah.

You get off your high horse, Nick. You're nothing. So, yeah. We're joking, we're joking. But how did the wives do? Any fun reports from the wives? I imagine Hailey Steinfeld isn't super, super jazzed that her now fiance lost.

But Josh did score 51 fantasy football points for whoever was on his team. Do we think he's on her fantasy team? Do you think she has a fantasy team? No, I think she's living in a fantasy team. I think every time they go to bed, I think he's in there. I think he's in her fantasy team.

Out. Do you think that Hailey would give Josh an ultimatum? Whoa, maybe she did, and maybe that's why they got together. Thank you, Wonderful Pistachios, for sponsoring this segment of The Vibe Files. Visit wonderfulpistachios.com to learn more. We got Scotty on this episode.

Are we interviewing Scotty? Yeah, we are. You get to talk about Scotty about planning dates. That was the craziest thing I've ever seen. He will be coming in. Y'all are on your own. I just wanna know who goes first. No, I'm honestly nervous.

Yeah, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And you ate breakfast without me? Yeah. I didn't realize this is what I was signing up for with my trial wife. Huh? I don't wanna be your full-time wife after that.

So what should we ask Scottie? First question, who did you eat with today? Oh my God. Did you eat breakfast alone? Ideal first date. His options were cryotherapy and hot air balloon. It was like, let's do something fun. Sense deprivation.

Let's do a picnic. What? No, it went like this. Let's do something fun today. Okay, well how about hot air balloon or cryotherapy? I don't know if I'd want to do that. Well, why don't you want to do anything fun? Yeah.

Oh, Jesus Christ. And it's like, I feel rejected now. It's like, what is happening? Give more, the amount, like if Nick felt rejected every time he's like, what do we want to do for supper? Like pasta? And I'm like, no, I'm not feeling that. Okay, steak?

I don't know if I'm feeling that either. And he's like, oh my God, I feel rejected. So you hate me. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, if you just don't want to eat, you should have just said that. So I'm nervous to chat with him because I don't want to get yelled at, but we'll see.

Was it in the trailer for the second drop that he's like, I don't care if you love me, I just want a wife? Yes. Oh my God. I really hope that Aria, if they are not together or if they are together, I hope she's watching this back and she does break up with him. Oh, yes.

Cause it's like he, I cannot, he's, he's. She's the one with. Caleb, Caleb right now. She seems lovely. She's lovely. So is Caleb. So is, yeah. Caleb seems like such a just like kind person.

Except that she's convinced that Caleb's in love with her and Caleb's like, hey, we're just like friends. And I'm just like, who, which one do I, I'm pretty sure I believe Caleb. Which also was so crazy to hear Caleb's like, hey, we're just like friends. And I'm just like, who, which one do I, I'm pretty sure I believe Caleb. Which also was so crazy to hear Caleb be like, yeah, you know, at the guys night out to be like, yeah, it was like such a, you know, friendship. And Scott had to be like,

there's never been a straight man ever to just want a friendship with our, it's like. I think he's just like, aware of the situation. Also his partner is alone. And so he's not gonna wanna do anything that complicates that situation. I don't think Scotty, like I think that's a shot to his ego

if like a guy doesn't want his girl. He's threatened by the fact that like, yeah. Scotty is insane. He's absolutely insane. Yes. He is here. Oh, perfect. Yeah, let's bring him in.

He's in the chat. He's been listening. Oh, he is not, this is not a hot mic moment. God. I'll say it with my chest. Yeah, let's bring him in. Is he in the chat? He's been listening. Oh, this is not a hot mic moment. God. I'll say it with my chest. Yeah, let's bring him in after Auntie Mary call him insane. Yeah, for sure. Let's bring him in.

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all weekend long. And you, did you watch? Did you watch? I mean, yeah, unfortunately. Okay, well before we have a bit of fun with you, what was your biggest takeaway regarding your experience? Is there anything right off the bat you wanna like jump right into?

Or yeah, what was your, watching it back, what was your takeaway? How do you feel waking up this morning? What is your mindset? I think to be completely candid, I was watching the first five episodes and I was both like horrified and devastated. Like to be honest, like I can't really be more vulnerable than that, like the way I look is so angry and aggressive

and like almost like combative for no real reason. And so watching some of those moments back and seeing how certain things are represented, I was like, wow, like this is so interesting how this is like positioned. And I get it. First impressions matter. I think first impressions are super important.

And I know that I did not have the best first impression. But I do think there is a narrative that's being created and being stitched together based on this experience and how maybe I showed up or in some moments didn't show up. So I think that was the biggest shock for me. I mean, I think you were very well liked throughout until this last episode.

Do you? I don't know about that. I feel like you were very... There were moments of like, I think the last episode was most jarring for people, but I think to your point, Scotty, there were moments of you being, I think, maybe a bit reactive out of pocket at times, where it kind of,

I think, threw people off. I get what you're saying, Scotty, I think, you know, listen, as someone who knows what it's like to be in your shoes, who's been on reality TV before, you do have to take the good with the bad. You know, it's like you did what you did, but they get to pick and choose your good and bad moments. I'm sure you showed a lot of good moments,

and you showed some bad moments, and you just don't get to decide whether they show 60% of your good moments and 40% of your bad, or 90, 10, or yada, yada, yada. And I think it's just more like sometimes it's really jarring to see some of those bad moments a little bit than the good. For me, what it felt like watching back was like 99.9% bad, and then maybe 0.1% good,

especially with the... I feel like you're at the choice. You spoke very highly of Zainaaina and like, you know, I felt like that was a very like, oh my God, he's, you know, it was a touching moment. I felt like she really appreciated the way you spoke to her. I really loved a lot of y'all's interactions with each other.

Do you take responsibility for the conversation we've seen or is it kind of like a, there's so much more context the edit kind of messed up these conversations? How do you perceive that? It's so funny because the conversation that I was having with Zaina, we actually were laughing through that entire conversation. And so I just thought it was so wild

how strong the reaction was. We went to the gym that morning, I made her breakfast, and then we sat down to eat and I said, I made a comment like, Oh, did you eat without me? Because I went to the bathroom to like fix my hair and came back and she had already started eating. And she was like, Yeah. And so I think that just dynamic shift after that made it look like I was so upset that she didn't want to do any date ideas or that she was eating without me. And I'm like, I don't know, I think in an experience like this, if you're a viewer, you really have to read

between the lines, right? Like I've been in a long distance relationship for two, almost two and a half of the three years prior to joining the experience. So if I really was that upset about somebody eating without me, there's no way I could be in a long distance relationship, right? Or a relationship at all. And so I was really shocked by how strong that reaction was. And to me, as somebody that went through the experience and understood some of the nuances, I was like, okay, this is people's reaction based on that first episode and how alarming that fight was and how like people were like, Oh, wow, like your fight escalated so quickly. So now this is kind of like who

you are, you know, and so that was really me just being sarcastic. And I was like, so surprised at how many people reached out to me and were like, Why did you get so upset at Zayn for eating without you? And I'm like, we were completely joking. Like I was saying, hey, like I can't tolerate a trial wife that doesn't eat without me. And we were actually laughing through the whole conversation.

So yeah, that's believable. Yeah, I can see the sarcasm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean- Reality TV has no space for sarcasm. No. Yeah, I mean, I learned that the hardest. Cause it's like, you know, eggs are not good cold.

It's like as soon, you gotta eat them as soon as they're done. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. And so I literally made that same comment. And so I think what was used was, are you just really not gonna eat without me? And I think because my facial expression was so like, it didn't look like I was joking, people were like, oh, he's like a Jekyll and Hyde.

What seemed less like a joke though, was you thinking cryotherapy should be a fun date? Dude, where do you land on? Cause like, can't we just go for a walk, Scotty, is what I'm thinking. You know, like could we just- For sure, we went for so many walks. Yeah, yeah.

So like, I'm all for like planning a really, you know, out of the box kind of experience. But yeah, where do you land on the whole like, we're either hot air ballooning or cryotherapy or you're no fun. I think what we were doing in the moment was we were talking to each other about like what dates we could potentially go on that are not your non standard dates, right? And so I was just throwing things out there and I was like, have you ever, are you afraid of heights? Have you ever been in a hot air balloon? How do you feel?

And we had just gone to the gym. So I was like, have you ever done cryotherapy? I think for me, like what felt strange was the way when you watch that scene as a viewer, the way I'm coming off is like, you don't wanna do what I wanna do, you're rejecting me. And I need you to do what I to do because that's my safe space. Like control is my safe space.

And so that was really hard for me to watch because I'm just like, wow, like there's no way that I could exhibit this level of control being in a long distance relationship. Number one. And then number two, it's just strange because we were talking about nonstandard dates. And the funniest part about it was that night we actually went to STK and just went to dinner together. I do think it was just very interesting to watch back and I was surprised at myself how like okay this is kind of how this conversation looks versus how the

conversation was. That all does make a lot of sense. My only question for you following all of that is Zayna did have like an ITM interview where she said your energy did change. Do you want to speak to that at all? It's tough. I think like, so as far as the conversation goes, like what you're seeing is obviously like a couple minutes,

you know what I mean? Of the entire conversation. And beyond that, right? I think the thing for me that's very different from Zaina is, first of all, Zaina is probably one of the funniest girls I've ever met. Like she is straight comedy. You know when she's trying to be funny,

you know when she's not. She doesn't really exhibit a ton of sarcasm, and I'm super sarcastic. The dynamic shift was us, that was like maybe day two or three of our trial marriage. So we're still getting to know each other. Beyond that, like I exhibit a level of sarcasm where my facial expressions might not actually match

what I'm actually feeling or thinking. And so I think for her, like that was like one of those moments where we were really trying to get to know each other. And maybe at least on her end, she might've like kind of misunderstood like, oh, he's like really a little bit annoyed that I don't want to do what he wants to do.

And so, you know, that's all I can say to that. I'm sure, you know, Zayna might have more like context, but I do feel like we were still so early in the stages of getting to know each other, that it was a little bit hard to watch that ITM and be like, okay, wow, like she, maybe like we were in a place where we didn't really know how each other operates yet. We didn't really understand each other's personalities.

But I honestly like, there's not really much that I can laugh at watching the first five episodes, but that was one moment where I could watch it. And even though I wasn't really happy about the way it looked, I can laugh and be like, wow, like I do look, I look crazy. You know what I mean? Like I look like a wow. We did in fact, before you came looked, I can laugh and be like, wow, I look crazy. You know what I mean? Like I look like a wha?

No, we did in fact, before you came on, we said that you did in fact look insane. You looked insane. You looked good, yeah. On TV, on TV, on TV. Is there anything despite, obviously, fully know that things can be taken out of context, but is there any reflection you thought,

this is exactly how I remember myself, but I still wanna reflect and look, and maybe there's a change that you could implement in your life or are we just kind of like taking it with a grain of salt? I mean, there's always change that you can implement. I think for me, like I should have maybe told her, and I did tell her, I think maybe that's not what came

across on screen, but I should have told her like, hey, we can do whatever you want to do as far as a date. It doesn't have to be anything extreme. My fault was I didn't set the foundation for, Hey, I don't have any expectations yet because we're still getting to know each other. And instead, I kind of was just myself because we were so comfortable with each other that part of that maybe rubbed her the wrong way. One because she's she was in a different relationship

and JR has a very different personality than I do. And two, because she wasn't sure how to take some of what I was saying. And so I think she took it as, oh, this is how I'm receiving what you're saying, even though that's not what I was saying at all. And that's not what I meant at all. How did you end up on the show?

Because I'm really fascinated by not only just you, That's not what I was saying at all. And that's not what I meant at all. How did you end up on the show? Because I'm really fascinated by not only just you, but just the entire cast, how they ended up on the show. And then my second question, I'm really fascinated by each individual's approach to this whole couple swap. JR, he's calling her wifey. It's like, maybe we should calm down, bro, you know,

like maybe we could just ease into this. I'm curious, like one, yeah, how did you get on the show? How did you approach the whole like couple swap in terms of like how serious you guys were taking this versus, and like what boundaries or respect did you guys consider in terms of your actual partners, even though you are calling them your ex? I'm like, you live with this person,

you say you love with this person, and yeah, I get we're on a show and I get we're playing along, but the disrespect of some of these couples, it's like, I don't know, did anything shock you? Where were you at watching it back, not so much you, but just your peers and just how people chose to approach this whole experiment.

I hope you remembered all those questions. Yeah, I'm sorry. That was 500. I just like thought of so many all at once. That was a lot. So let me start with, I'm gonna work backwards. So I'm actually gonna answer the last question you asked first.

As far as how each couple is taking this experience and how we all chose a different approach, you're absolutely right. I wouldn't call this trash reality TV, I would call this toxic reality TV. Nobody that is planning to be engaged or wants to be engaged or is looking towards a long-term commitment as far as marriage,

is like, hey, you know what, let's stop right there and we'll both date other people and then we'll come back and see if we really, really want this. That's not normal. And so I think when you put real people with real relationships and also real relationship problems

into an experience like this, you're not gonna get normal reactions all the time. So I think it is important for everybody that's watching and also for us as a cast to give each other grace and for viewers to give us grace. Like this is what you're seeing is such an unnatural and not normal situation for all of us to be in. And I think a lot of times the public is just like, yeah, why are you, why are you acting not normal? And

it's like, we're, we're, we all look insane because we're all approaching this in a very different way. And some of us are taking a vastly different approach than the other. So that's what I'll say about that. I'm happy to share more because I could probably talk for hours on that topic. Well, did you have any specific opinions about JR's approach with Sandy, I guess?

Yeah, the whole pass of it all. Yeah, and just like just, I mean, just, I mean, again, if you're talking about technically who's right, I guess Sandy and JR are right because this is the experiment. But to me, I'm watching it and just like, here is a vulnerable guy, Nick, who's quote unquote new partner bales on him. He's alone.

To show up at the door and have Sandy, his actual girlfriend, disrespect him in the way that she disrespected him in front of JR. But then they're like, you're disrespecting us. This is my wife. You're coming in here with my wife. That was crazy. I don't know how you come back from that.

To me, you might as well just walk away and call it a day. But do you see it differently or did you see it like us? That's a tough one. That's a tough one, man. I would say this. I know Nick has a lot of love and respect and admiration in his heart for Sandy. Because I can tell you this much. If I had to deal with half of what Nick dealt with, I would have left the experience, I would have deleted all my social media and I would have gone off the

grid indefinitely. Like what he went through, my heart was broken for him. And I got a chance to talk to him throughout the experience, even though we weren't really supposed to be talking, he shared some things with me and I was like, wow, like I feel for you. With that in mind, I will say, everybody is gonna approach this experience differently. And I think JR and Zaina had a very different set of boundaries and a very different set of expectations for each other.

Then some of us did you know what i mean and so i think that's why jr was super invested i mean he was really really into the experience sandy i think sandy. Sandy, I think Sandy, as far as how she showed up, I think that she also loves Nick at the same time. There's so much that you're just not seeing. You know what I mean? Like there's so much that you're seeing some of us at our absolute worst. Like this is the worst that you'll ever see. Like some of my fights,

like my fight with Ari in the first episode, one of the worst fights that we've ever had. As far as, you know, how I looked at that, like I was not surprised. I knew that that was happening prior to it actually happening. So, I think for me, watching that back was really tough. I know Nick was really, really struggling. But everybody takes this experience differently. Everybody has different conversations about what's acceptable and not acceptable prior to coming into this. And I think that's why you're seeing this level of intensity with everybody. Like if you are a viewer and you think, oh wow, you're

going to single one cast member out and you're like, you're the only normal one, you obviously are not doing enough critical thinking or you just haven't seen the entire season. Oh yeah. You all, you all showed up for the show. So there is that. It was wild to see. Like I was like, wow, this is insane. Like I was watching that and I was like, okay. I didn't know that it-

When Nick came back for the man chat and apologized to JR, I almost lost it. I know me too. I could never. I could never and I will never. I kinda lost a little respect for Nick in that moment, but I also really empathized and felt for him. And I kinda also lost respect for JR in that moment.

Cause it's like, bro, you shouldn't be doing this to this guy. Like, I don't know, man. JR was so comfortable on his high horse that it, in that moment, it made me so angry for him to be like, not want to accept his apology and be like, yeah, we need to talk. It's like, he's been with Sandy for two days, three days,

and like, Nick had been with her for years. And it was just, it felt incredibly disrespectful. How did you get on the show? You hadn't answered that yet. Ari and I had a conversation back in May of 2023. That conversation was about our love, but also like what does taking our love to the next step look like?

And so for me, that was the first time I realized, okay, not only do we have slightly different marriage timelines, but I have to take that fact into consideration knowing who I'm with. Like Aria operates in this comfort ability where she likes to control what's in her orbit and so if that's not happening it's very difficult for her to really want to like kind of compromise in that way like I could see myself being in a relationship where I'm

like okay we either get married when I say or we don't at all. And so I think that kind of scared me a little bit. And so when we got the opportunity to do the show, first, I didn't even think we were gonna get the opportunity. I was like, look, we'll go through the interview process and what it will do is it will force us

to have these uncomfortable conversations about marriage because there's so many people applying and there's also so many people that get reached out to and then we're not going to fall in either of those like, you know, six couples that get this opportunity. So when we got it, the mistake that I made is I was pushing off all of these hypothetical conversations about what if you fall in love with someone? What if I develop feelings? What if I have a romantic connection?

What are the physical limits of what we can and cannot do? We didn't really talk too much about that until we knew because I was like we're not gonna get it and that was 100% my mistake like we should have had the uncomfortable hypothetical conversations instead of just being like hey We both are working two jobs. Let's only focus on this once we know. And if we had had more of those uncomfortable conversations, I think a lot of situations would have gone differently for us. And I think that we would have been a lot better

in terms of our just communication. Can we talk about the guys night? Yes, absolutely. Two things happened. I mean, you kind of popped off on Caleb when he revealed to you that it's only a friendship between him and Aria. And it was like, what was the context behind that?

You kind of said no straight man has ever wanted just a friendship from her. It was like, you didn't really believe him or was it like a shot to your ego to have someone not, what was that? Yeah, it kind of gave, you were a little offended or was it like a shot to your ego to have someone not, what was that? Yeah, it kind of gave, you were a little offended that he was only willing to be friends with your girl.

But again, curious how you see it. So much happened at guys night. Like there were so many different conversations. As far as Nick and JR, I think Nick came off very apologetic. He came off very respectful and he came off very remorseful, which I was very confused by. I was the last one to arrive. And so I think JR and Nick had had their own conversation

and I walked into the end of it and I was like, how, why is it, what is Nick apologizing for? Like what's going on here? So I think that whole thing was confusing for me because it's almost like JR was expecting an apology for Nick wanting to talk to his girlfriend. And so I think there was a bit of a masculinity moment there where it was like, okay, I need to tell you

that you're being disrespectful to me and Sandy in our experience, which I need to tell you that you're being disrespectful to me and Sandy and our experience, which I think maybe some people could get like, okay, you're kind of invading our space at the same time. It's like, bro, we didn't, we didn't need to take it that far. And I think like for them, it was one of those conversations where you almost don't want to get involved because you know that it could escalate to a level that is like really, really toxic. And I feel like Nick was doing his best to apologize and understand JR's perspective. I think in the moment JR was just hot and he was like, I don't really care what you

have to say, like stop invading our privacy. So that's that. As far as Caleb, oh, Caleb. So I think what I've been hearing a lot online is I've been getting a lot of hate for, you know, you think you were trying to call Caleb homosexual because he wasn't attracted to Aria or he wasn't interested in Aria

and that's not what I was trying to do at all. I don't think any normal person got that vibe. Yeah, I think it came more across as if we're gonna use like the toxic masculinity language, like you were offended that he would be friends with her because like you didn't buy it. It's just like, hey, is my girl not hot enough to like not just be friends with her or something?

It kind of gave that energy, not anything else. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I feel like Aria is truly like one of the most beautiful and exceptional women to ever exist. We got a lot of attention as a couple. So it really wasn't like that. I will say as far as Caleb, I think I was more offended that I felt like Caleb wasn't

being honest about his connection with Aria. I felt like he was trying to protect Mariah's feelings. And you can kind of see in that moment, he's like, hey, when you go to girls and I want you to tell her these things, but don't tell her those things. You know what I mean? And so I kind of got the energy

that Caleb was really interested in her, but he wasn't really willing to be open and vulnerable and honest about that when the cameras were on when it came time to speak about that connection. And so for me, doing this experience and trying to be as honest as I can be, there's one thing Aria can never say is you straight lie to me for this experience. There was certain things that you did that I'm only finding out now that I'm watching it on TV.

She can never say that because I was 100% honest with her, even moments that weren't shown that Zayna and I had. I was completely honest with her and I was like, I want you to be able to make the decision on how you feel about this and whether you feel like, okay, this is a lot I don't want to hear anymore, or I want you to tell me everything and then I'll decide what it is with Caleb. He was almost like, Hey, I don't think that Mariah's going to be able to handle the truth. And so I'd rather lie to her and protect her

and not involve myself with any level of radical honesty that I think this experience kind of requires. And so it wasn't me being offended that he wasn't attracted to Aria because I know he's attracted to Aria. It's more so I just felt like, why aren't you able to be honest? You know what I mean? I think Mariah is stunning. Why can't I say that and just be like, hey, she is stunning and that's that. You know what I mean? Why couldn't he say, hey, she is beautiful, we do have a connection, and I'm trying to figure out how I'm

going to navigate that and be better for Mariah. It was more so like, we're friends, like I feel the amount of times friendship got brought up, I was like, you're like, I can tell that it feels like a bit of a mask, like you're trying to over exert this friendship, sort of narrative, even though it's not it's not that maybe that was just like his final answer. I've had a lot of beautiful women be my platonic friends,

and we've had connections, and we've been very close, but ultimately we were just that. We were just friends. You know what I'm saying? So it was like maybe he did think she was beautiful, and maybe he did have a connection with her, but maybe he was just trying to say at the end of the day, I'm not pursuing her romantically.

I just respect her as a human being and we are friends. And maybe it was more like that. I think it's possible at the same time, there's 12 of us that are doing this experience and they're, like I said, you're seeing a fragment of a moment. And I will say this, there's no way

that I would have called that out to Caleb if I didn't have several reasons to believe that, okay, there is an interest here on your end that you are maybe not being completely honest about. Maybe- Is that reason from your girl telling you that Caleb had an interest in her? Cause she seems very convinced that Caleb is hiding his feelings.

I'm sure Aria did feel that way throughout different points. Like it definitely felt like maybe Caleb was holding back a little bit. I am someone where I want to be honest with someone and tell them like, hey, you might be telling me this, this is what I'm seeing. Let's have a conversation. So for me, it was a little strange because I felt like Caleb was like, hey, you should go talk to Ari about that. Like I want to deflect any conversation. Like I don't really want to meet the moment. Like let's not talk. Let's not have a dialogue. And so for me, that, that kind of was a bit of a sign, like why we're here at Guy's Night to speak to each other

about each of our connections. Everyone went around the room and was able to share a little bit about the connection that we had except for Caleb. Like he was very limited, he was very short and he only referenced friendship. And so I think for me, I was just like, okay, is this BS or is this,

are you just- So he was giving KG kind of thing. I think he just was like, this is my answer and I'm not gonna elaborate under any circumstance. And so for me, it's like, if you really have nothing to hide, why do you not care to elaborate at all? You know what I mean? We'll say that Caleb and Aria's relationship did seem the most surface level from a viewer's

standpoint. It didn't feel like there was much physical attraction or like maybe we didn't, they didn't show that to us. But it did feel like obviously we have Sandy and JR, which is like off the charts and the, you know, on a completely different level than everyone else. But even like you and Zaina seem to like very much have this really good banter back and forth. Caleb and Arya seem a little like awkward and uncomfortable with each other. Maybe that friendship is there.

I mean, again, I don't know, we're not there. But what is this whole story behind this like hall pass thing that JR brought up? I was very surprised at the way JR chose to bring that up. Because we were actually starting to get to a more conversational place and less of a combative place. And so when he turns to me at one moment and he's like, Are you sure? And I was just so taken aback by that because I was like, am I sure about what? Like, I, of course, you know what I mean? And so I know that, you know, as far as my connection with Zayn, like it was definitely

very present, but at the same time, you know, I know the respect I have for Aria. I know the respect I have for my relationship and I know the respect I have for my relationship, and I wasn't going to put my relationship at stake because I wanted to explore something with Zaina super early. The guys and I happened relatively early into the trial marriage. It wasn't like week three that that was happening. And so to me, it was important to check that behavior. You know what I mean? Like Jair was throwing shots anywhere and everywhere. And I was like, look, you have to, I know we don't know each other, but you have to understand, like, I don't really have any intentions of trying to manipulate a situation for my benefit in the way that you think. And I think it was a little bit telling that he just refused to say who told him.

Um, did you ever find out? I mean, you know, I can't answer that. You got to keep watching the rest of the season, but I will say like, so we do find out, we do find out. There will be a lot of truth revealed. Okay. All truths. Okay.

If I were you in that position, I'd be like, well, I didn't say it, but your actions are giving hall pass, bro. You know, like that's what I would have said. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, we had that conversation with each other. I think, like I said, like it was, that room was a very tense room. And I think there was so much pent up emotion

from all of the guys that it kind of was released in this very sort of combative way. You know what I mean? Like even Nick, like he didn't, he was so apologetic, but there was a moment too where he was like, so what are you doing? Are you sleeping with her? Like, are you not? You know what I mean? And so it's like when you put people into an experience like this, everyone is going to have a moment where they are not necessarily the versions

of themselves that they would be if a similar conversation was happening outside of this experience. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, I sometimes, I think almost the opposite sometimes. I think we really find out who we really are when we're put in really in extraordinary situations and how we handle ourselves

in these extraordinary situations really kind of shows who we are at our deeper roots. That being said, we understand the edits and the context things. I'm more speaking about J.R. To me, it's just like J.R. made the excuse of leaning into this experiment as reason to basically disrespect anyone in his way, you know, so to speak. It was more like this is my experience. Everyone's got to do the experience.

So it's just like, I don't care who I disrespect as long as I gotta do the experience. So it's just like, I don't care who I disrespect, as long as I'm embracing this experience. You know, there was just no consideration for other people's relationships, as long as JR was making the most of his experience. And, you know, to each their own. But that's just kind of how I saw it.

Yeah, I mean, I think you're spot on. Like I said, everybody approaches it differently. Like I think JR was focused on JR at the time. So. Do you think JR and Sandy slept together? Ooh. Asking the hard question. I mean, the way he answered, he was like in the same bed.

Yeah. It's pretty clear that if they did, they wouldn't be telling anybody. It's, yeah. I mean, I think this is the thing. I think our entire cast had an opinion about Whether that happened and that right was is Yeah, and so I think for me at the point that I was at I knew that even before

You know, I saw the show myself and saw the edit I knew okay some things went on here because I think there was maybe a level of defensiveness that you might not have if you did nothing, right? And so that's why I said about my connection with Zaina, hey, like we're developing a connection, but I'm really working hard to do it without disrespecting her

and without disrespecting her relationship. And I know that, you know, she's trying to prove herself to JR. She's trying to be like, I can be this person. And I know you're her and I know you've been hurt before. But let me show you that not all women are out here to hurt you, you know, and I think it's a very interesting paradigm to Aria where it's like, I'm trying to fight for her and be like, hey, paradigm to Aria where it's like I'm trying to fight for her and be like hey not all men are here to hurt you you know and so I think that I don't know I mean I'm not sure if they did I know that no we asked you we want to know what you think I think I think I think Nick was really, really broken. And I don't know that he would be as broken if there maybe wasn't some other stuff going on.

I don't know what went on. I think they did as well. I think they did. Do you agree or disagree? You're not saying you disagree. You're not saying no. Y'all are really trying to get me to hurt some feelings today.

I just really just want to, listen, just wanna, listen, like you said, this is all about keeping it real, being honest, like this is embracing the experience, you know? Like we're just asking your opinion. Yeah, you obviously aren't in the bedroom with them. So like. But like you got, yeah, you could be wrong. At Guy's Night, my opinion was they didn't.

They didn't. At Guy's Night. Has that opinion changed? I think they have a very sexual relationship. Okay. My opinion was they didn't. They didn't. At Guy's Night. At Guy's Night. Has that opinion changed? I think they have a very sexual relationship. Okay. Okay. It took us a while, but we did get there.

I think we got there. Okay. Scotty, thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. We wish you the best along the way. Appreciate your answers, offering some context, and excited to see the rest of your journey unfold. And if we can give you any advice,

stop reading comments about yourself on the show. Oh, wow, yeah, it's been devastating. Also, I wanna say one thing. Yeah, go ahead. I do wanna bring up the argument that Ari and I had because I know we didn't really talk too much about that. And I do just wanna say, I think the hard thing about that moment for me to watch

was how I just did not show up for her in the right way. And I love Aria with my whole heart. That was possibly like one of the most hurtful things for me to do is just gaslight her and dismiss her feelings. And I'm still hurt by how I just didn't show up for her in that moment. And I was, it's so hard for me to watch and I feel like I'm really having like a hard time emotionally right now, just because I know like there's a lot of online commentary

and hate about it. But I will say like, I think the hard thing for me is, you know, Nick, I watched your sort of mini recap of the ultimatum prior to meeting with you all. And it did make me think because you had a very different perspective than I think most people that are watching right now are having. And it's really tough just because I think sometimes I am not I'm fighting for a woman to see that I'm not the man that she loves the most,

but I'm like the man that she hates the least. And I know that she's had so many difficult and hard experiences in life that have made her kind of guarded and closed off. And so I really know that I hurt her in that moment. And the only thing I can really do is take accountability and tell her how much I love her and show her that you know that was the worst possible reaction of me trying to trying to

respond and just not showing up you know like I should have approached that situation with love and not for love and so I think it was like me trying to convince her like, hey, I love you, I'm not gonna really hurt you. And she's like, but you did. And I'm like, aren't you seeing who I am? And she's like, no, you hurt me. And so I just think it was really, really hard to watch. And so I just hope that, you know, as far as the commentary goes,

like there was obviously a lot more to that debate and I don't think it's as magnified as, you know, you do see on screen. Like nobody else in the room was like, there was obviously a lot more to that debate. And I don't think it's as magnified as you do see on screen. Nobody else in the room was actually hearing what was going on. But at the same time, we all have to be accountable in this experience for a lot of different things. And I couldn't end this interview

if I didn't share that I just didn't show up for her in the right way in that moment. And gaslighting is never acceptable. And I think that in that moment, I don't even know why I said what I said. I just was like, hey, like I, I don't know. I didn't do it. And I was just like, that was, you know,

that was just not the right way to show up. Well, we appreciate you sharing and all you can do is take accountability. And yeah, like that's what matters more than not responding to all the people who are online who don't really know anything other than they're just watching it and projecting their own life experiences onto you

and the people on your show. So, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from your experience, which it sounds like you have. So we appreciate you saying. Absolutely, absolutely. All right, take care, buddy. Thanks for your time. Thanks so much.

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plus free shipping. All right. What do we think? You know, listen, he definitely took accountability. I think his take on Caleb is wrong. And I think he wants to believe that there was something there so bad. And I just don't, I don't think there was.

I've had a lot of friends who are women who objectively are beautiful. I think Caleb's just doing his best, but I understand, I mean, like, Scotty obviously feels a certain way about Caleb because Caleb has a connection with Aria and that's like hard to deal with. I do think, I agree with you guys,

but I understand why he feels that way about Kayla. I get what he's saying about that. Like if they're showing up to this like man chat and every like it was, Nali was like, we're watching it. Nali's like, there were moments throughout these episodes, the willingness to talk shit on their partners, like their original partners, not like their temporary partners,

but like they're just like unload but they're just unloading. Just like, well so and so is, I don't know what they said about each other, but it was some hardcore shit. And it's like clearly they're being asked these questions. There's obviously probably producers in the background, these guys get together, they're sitting there and go, so tell us about your,

so they're being prompted to ask these questions, I get that. So in that context, if they they're being prompted to ask these questions. I get that. So in that context, if they're all being prompted to ask these questions and they're kind of like reluctantly, begrudgingly, or maybe not so reluctantly, like just talking shit on their partners and just being unbelievably honest about what the shit's going on.

Meanwhile, Caleb's like, we're just friends. Like I could see how in that moment to Scotty that might be a little frustrating or and feel disingenuous. I could see that. Yeah, it's like when Aria was talking to Mariah and I feel for Mariah and Nick so much. It's like, you know what, if Nick and I,

if I was like, hey, ultimatum, like we're going, and we go on this show and two days in Nick's girl leaves, like, sorry, I'm leaving with my partner. Like, we're two days in in like the experience is fucking over So sorry she's like these other partners are staying and being like well We signed up for this like just shows me that they are into their other people a little bit more than they probably should be But when aria is having that conversation with Mariah, and she's like he's so funny. He's so kind. He's so this He's so goofy, and I love that that I can say that he's goofy.

I'm like, girl, I don't give a fuck. Like that's my man, I know. When she was like commenting on like how they fight and like what hurts him, like as if she knows him so well, I was like the way I would have jumped across that fucking table. She's like the way that you act in the relationship with him, like the way that you get upset.

Huh? Why am I hearing this from you? Literally. You've been with him for three days. Exactly. I'm sorry, I just can't. And like JR explaining his relationship with Sandy to Nick and poor Nick is just like.

Poor Nick, he's just pouring himself, he's just trying to make an art piece and then Sandy's like, why is he doing art? Oh my God. That's his career. He's an artist. He's the only creative here, he said. Sorry.

Sorry, isn't that what artists do when they're like, they're like, let me take my emotions to the canvas. He has nothing else to do. Well, and don't you think Sandy will feel like an ass when she comes to find out he also boxed? So true. So true. He was doing many things.

I cannot bat. To watch him screaming, crying to his bed. I was like, I want someone to help this guy. I felt for him so bad. That was emotional torture. That was awful. If Sandy doesn't watch that back and think, I have some horrible person inside me. The way that

he was having that full on mental breakdown and then was like, you know what, fuck it, I just need to talk to her. Like, I'm putting myself in like, how I am with Nick. and then was like, you know what, fuck it, I just need to talk to her. Like I'm putting myself in like this, you know, like how I am with Nick. And it's like, okay, like Nick's having this hard time and he's like, you know what, I just need to talk to Natalie. And I'm like, sorry, no, like don't fucking disrespect me

and my husband like this. She's laughing. She's laughing in the room. She called him selfish. Well, she sends her fake boyfriend to answer the door. So he could be like in this big fucking guy who like is like, what are you doing here? And then she comes out and like calls him disrespectful.

I just feel violated right now. Huh? That was wild. Cause it's like, now it seems like you're like sicking this guy on your boyfriend. Yeah. And like, this is the part of the show that's really confusing for me because I'm like,

are they supposed to be leaning in and getting lost in this relationship or is the part of the show that's really confusing for me because I'm like, are they supposed to be leaning in and getting lost in this relationship or is the whole point? Because even Sandy lied to Zaina being like, no, I'm just teaching him things so I can give him back to you. And he'll be great. And I'm like, y'all were kissing at the pool, in the bed.

Like, this is not something that's gonna help my relationship. Y'all were kissing before he even chose you at the fucking choice. And we don't know the timelines. No, no, no, that was before the choice. It was, we're kissing before he even chose you as the fucking choice. And we don't know the timelines. No, no, no, that was before the choice. It was clear.

That was before, and we're just conveniently leaving that out on our girl chat with Zaina. Sorry, she's not a girl's girl. And I'm gonna go ahead and say it right now. Sandy is not a girl's girl. And this whole relationship with JR and Nick is just feels so icky. Yeah.

And I feel like I'm like, she's giving you the answer you're looking for because at the end of the day, like, yes, I understand it's an experiment, but if that were my partner, I would be like, okay, just like give me like five minutes, like, let me go like talk and like, yes, you know, at least use his mind

about what's happening or make a decision. But I'm like, she's like disrespecting my time. And it's like, girl, that's not your boyfriend. And then she sits down for girls chat, and is just throwing Nick under the bus even more. Like the embarrassment she wants him to feel. It's awful. It's awful. It is cruel.

I also, even when Nick called her, and she has it on speakerphone in front of JR, like that disrespect right there is like, you couldn't be like- She's giving us the play-by-play on howphone in front of JR. Like that disrespect right there is like, you couldn't be like. She's giving us the play by play on how many texts he's sending. It's awful. He's losing his money.

It's so sad. Like her running away from outside when they're having lunch and she sees, and she's like, oh, I can't. And she runs inside. What are you doing? I cannot. Like how are you just like that soulless?

Ooh! Like to watch that, even if like, even, okay, we don't know what happened in their relationship prior. We do not know what their dynamic is. I wanna know how they got on the show. They've been together for two and a half years. Two and a half years is a long time. Who knows like the minutia of like the arguments

that they have and like what their problems are, but to watch somebody that you, regardless of if you're in a relationship with them, somebody that you just have spent that much time with for two and a half years. You're saying I love you. To watch, yeah. You live together.

You live together, you love this person. To watch them be that miserable and just like be disgusted by it. Yeah. And be embarrassed by it versus like, this is somebody that is going through a really hard time, they're alone while I am like, if not getting railed, really giving fuck me eyes to.

No, no, they're shutting that bedroom door quite a lot. We saw his ass, correct? Was that a black and white ass? We certainly know that it has cologne all over it. That's true. Did we see, did I misunderstand where there was like, it looked like a black and white like security cam footage of him closing the door and it looked like he was naked.

I don't know, I mean. I mean, I shut the door regardless. But we're shutting the door. With both of them on the other side of it. Yeah, it could have just been an edit thing. Caleb is sleeping on the couch. Caleb is sleeping on the couch. Of a contrast.

It's like, come on, I mean. And then, and then. But just to watch Nick, it's so mean. They're at least cuddling, you know? Yeah, and he's whispering It's like, come on. I mean, and then- But just to watch Nick, it's so mean. They're at least cuddling, you know? Yeah, and he's whispering and being like, I'm so horny. They did kiss, we know that. I'm so horny.

Like, are you getting this? Nick kissed twice. Yes, for sure, on camera. And the way that when she put that dress on and he's like, ooh, you can't go out like that without me. Huh? You're trouble. She's like, it's just for the girls.

Huh? It's been two days? Yeah, the you're trouble, we've talked about this before. You're trouble, they're fucking. They're fucking. You don't say that to someone that you're not fucking. JR's the definition of hurt people, hurt people. Like the fact that he's the guy who's quote unquote

been cheated on and he's the one who's like been broken by his ex wife or whatever, for him to go about it this way. On television. It's like, he could have had just such a different approach and if he would have been so much more respected, if in these moments he would have been like, Sandy, you should go talk to him. He clearly, you know.

Yeah, what we're doing is crazy. You at least need to show up for this guy. But he has no sympathy for him either. None. None. Like that's what's so crazy. No, he's so crazy. No, he's peacocking. He's like, is it because it's me?

Like is it not bad enough that you're like, some guy is like literally in bed, whether they're actually fucking or not, like in bed, but like you want to ask him directly of the question if it's because you're so awesome. Like clearly, yes, he is threatened by you, but you don't need to like lean it the fuck in. And like we all can be threatened by somebody, JR.

And I can't imagine, I don't think JR, Mr. Counting Calories, weighing his food so insecure with his body that he has to do crazy shit like that. He's fucking measuring lunch. He wants to bring his weight to the restaurant. Yeah. That is a person who definitely has their own insecurities

and if JR was put in a room with his girl hanging with someone that he thought was a personal threat to him, I would love to see how JR would handle something like that because I don't think Mr. Weighing Lunch would handle it all that well. Not at all. It's so hard to watch.

I mean. That at all. Yeah. It's so hard to watch. I mean. That was wild. Wild. I have a theory on hot people. Okay. Of like when you're that, like JR and Sandy are. Don't tell me about me.

I love it when you're like give it to me and Natalie is like okay. No, there's like, you have like normal hot, right? Like there are like hot people that look like normal human beings, right? And then you have normal hot, right? There are hot people that look like normal human beings. And then you have hot people that look like they were made in a CW factory to like- Which now?

Scientifically made. Scientifically made in a lab. All I really care about is which one am I. Well. Shh. You're like normal hot. It's much better to me. You're scientifically made. You're scientifically made.

Sorry. You were made in a lab. But like J.R. and Sandy are both made in a lab. Okay, thank you. I'm serious. You're one of a kind. We're interrupting, Mary. J.R. and Sandy are both made in a lab

and I just do not trust either of them because of that. You know what I mean? Like that kind of hot. I hear you, but you know, the personality makes them absolutely a two. Vile. Yeah. Like they are, they are.

That's what I mean. I feel like when you're that hot, you just expect to be treated in a certain way. Like JR completely expects people to not trust him because he's so hot and he wants that because he wants to be that hot that people don't trust him. And Sandy does too. And they're leaning into it. They are leaning into it. Oh, they're leaning in it so much so that I'm like, I just wanted to smack him too when he was like

going around talking and he's like, you know, it's just like, I'm really confused right now. Like it was like, this is not a choice for you. This is an experiment. So you end up with the same person. You seem to be forgetting that, but I'm like, I don't know. And I feel like I expect men to fight more physically than I do obviously women, but I am like,

I don't know how Nick kept it together because if I had some girl being like, no, no, but like I'm saying in the guys night situation where I'm like having a guy who's with your girl. He's a lover, not a fighter. But being like- He got cocked a little bit. She's making me into a better person than I was. You all known each other for two days.

What do you mean? And if this is you as a better person, I'm shocked to know what you were like beforehand. Also, I think I don't think you really love Sandy the way you think you love Sandy. I think you love- How hot she is. The idea of Sandy.

Yeah, like keeps your stock up. But they have been together for two and a half years. When you get disrespected like that and you apologize after the fact, you need to take a step back and reflect and maybe do more boxing. Like you- Well, it seemed like and reflect, maybe do more boxing. What seemed like Sandy is into him being embarrassed. I feel like the reason he apologized is because Sandy

was like, you need to fucking apologize to JR. You disrespected us, you brought me here. This is the experience that you made me do. You need to apologize or I will not be back. At some point, Nick needs to wake the fuck up and take accountability for, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if Sandy is the world's greatest mentalist, where she, no matter what she says,

she's gonna convince Nick that she's right. And I mean, at some point, you know what I'm saying? At some point Nick can be like, this is crazy. This is crazy. He did say that it's not all one-sided that she's texting him, like I miss yous and things like that. But that came across to me as like, I'm sure Sandy did at some point say,

I miss you and I hope you're doing okay. But like that to me sounded Nick trying to justify, like that actually felt very like Nick was really reaching for any valid validation in his like dying relationship. I'm just wondering though, if it's like the whole, like what's being said to him in text messages, obviously it's speculation, but I'm like, that it's like, oh babe, like this is just an experiment, like whatever, like don't take it out seriously,

whereas like what she's saying with JR and like whatnot and then the actual, like him showing up at the door, like how did he get their apartment number? Well, I mean, that's what I'm saying, that doesn't add up though. If she's saying, well, like let's say she's texting Nick, right, and it's like, babe, it's not that serious type of thing,

then why is he apologizing very seriously? That doesn't match. I think it's more, she was just like, hey, you're fucking this up for everybody else. Literally at the girl chat, I'm actually surprised how many people left. Granted, two couples pieced out, but the people left other than Nick

are quote unquote buying in. And it's a lot easier to buy in when you're kind of feeling new feelings for someone new. So it's, you know, like you're kind of, but Nick's person's gone, right? And Sandy shows up and is just throwing Nick under the bus, you know? And I think, yeah, I think she told him that he's,

he's ruining it for the rest of them. He's embarrassing himself. He's embarrassing her, blah, blah, blah, and Nick was so scared of losing her that he showed up and apologized AR. I don't think it was because he realized he was like, this was all a joke and he wasn't taking the joke well enough, I don't think that's what he was

apologizing for. I think he was just embarrassed, and that's why he was apologizing, to feel less embarrassed. Miss Sandy made him feel like he did something wrong. Yeah. And you could tell the second that Nick was like, there's been a handful of I Miss Yous, JR was like, what the fuck?

You know that was a con, you know he like. But a handful of I Miss Yous sounds like a guy trying. To validate it. To validate it, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't say about his girlfriend, about his girlfriend, he says, there's been a handful, that's vague,

of I miss yous, that's all he's got? It's like, yeah, well, I'm fucking her. The concept of the show is just so confusing. You guys think this is crazy. If you would watch the queer ultimatum. Was it that much more messy? My head would explode. Were they fucking? Yeah. My head would explode.

Were they fucking? Yeah. They were all fucking. Not all of them were fucking, but some of them were fucking. Any U-Hauls show up? I mean, you'd have to watch the show. I don't remember. Can we get into Salt Lake City,

because this episode had me gagged. Please. I first. What is roster building hair? What did they call it? High body count hair. I mean, I get what they were saying. High body count dress.

I will say Angie K owns salons. So she is an educated person in that department. Yes, she is an educated person. It was a bit harsh. And Lisa being like, you do need a Karis Stahls treatment. Like that had me absolutely fucking down. I was screaming.

I use it, it's good. I mean, Brittany, Brittany, I love, I guess if you're listening, I love you, I love you on my television. I love, love, love. Thank you so much for showing up and knowing how to be there. Well, and I'm holding space for you. Yes.

But Brittany- I felt power. Absolutely, but Brittany does look like she has not done any type of wardrobe reset since her club days since she was going out when she was 21. I do have to say, do y'all know who does Miss Brittany's hair? No.

Our Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Jessie's. No. Yes. She does her hair. I don't know if Jessie specifically, but someone at Jessie's salon does her hair. Do we text Jessie? I think.

Well, I've seen TikToks of them doing before and after of these extensions and they, you know, I will say like, love you, Jessie. Her salon's getting a little trolled on social media. Wow. Along, you know, like kind of being compared to the hair by Krispy. But isn't that what you asked for?

Like if I show up and I say like, my wife wants me to have a mullet, you know, they're gonna give me a mullet. Maybe Britney's like give me 1988. It's possible. I don't think Angie was necessarily wrong with her assumptions. I'm not in the business- Angie called Britney with with her assumptions. I'm not

I'm not in the business of shaming but that as a housewife that seems an appropriate comment Yeah, take your little bump up and walk away the bump up that you know I feel like her coming after Melee was like the like whoa That was a little too far but and and Brittany listen Listen That was a little too far, but and Brittany, listen, listen, Brittany's the one who's like, I'm fucking, I'm seeing, I have a roster, I'm seeing several men. I'm doing, these were Brittany's words, okay? And she's using Brittany words against her. And then wants to be like, I think the reason Angie's saying

I'm fucking 10 men is because that's what she's doing in her marriage whoa Brittany said how many men she's dating to a bunch of Mormon Greek Jewish married women most importantly They're all gonna be judgmental and caddy Yeah, what did she expect and then and then to like make up a rumor about Angie? What? Yeah, it's like, sorry, but like that was- Rumors and nasty.

You know, it's like, you kind of asked for all that, Brittany, with like the way that she, and it was like, she tried to say that to May Lee and Bronwyn of like a, like she felt powerful in that moment to be like, well, you know what? I think the only reason she's saying that about me is because that's what she's doing in her marriage. And they were both like, whoa, well, you know what? I think the only reason she's saying that about me is because that's what she's doing in her marriage.

And they were both like, whoa, I don't know what that's. We're gonna take this. Shug this? Yeah, also Bronwyn coming for the bedazzles on the nails and Lisa being like, that's a brook and tunnel, bridge and tunnel. Bridge and tunnel? Have you ever heard that expression?

I haven't, but I'm gagged. But also- No, I died for it though. I was like, okay, what the fuck does it mean? It's what the people in Manhattan say about the people, like the bridge and tunnel people, like on the weekends, like it's like, oh, I don't wanna go out tonight on a Saturday, it's gonna be all the bridge and tunnel people from Jersey going out to the bar.

So like the real New Yorkers, like we only go out on Wednesday because there's gonna be no bridge and tunnel people. But I'm sorry, Bronwyn, you're coming for bedazzles on nails when your eyes are covered in bedazzles? She's in her villain era for sure. What are we, like how can you come for that? I've just, I've been a ride for Briwin no matter what. Same.

She's literally being like, oh my God. Bronwyn started all of this. Bedazzles on nails, like what the fuck? Meanwhile, like can't even see her eyeballs because she has so many bedazzles on her eyes. But I bet if we had Bronwyn here, she'd been like, yeah, I was being a hypocrite in that moment.

I know she would. I'm sure, I'm sure. She was just starting shit. She didn't say that. She was just like, at least she would. I just like, that's what I want Lisa to do. I want Lisa to be like, I say shit. I do shit, I say shit, whatever.

It's when Lisa just pretends. I've never lied. Yeah. It's like... But I think the beauty of Lisa Barlow is the delusion of Lisa Barlow. Like she would not be Lisa if she didn't lie. She was kind of cracking me up with the Whitney, just like wouldn't let Whitney get a sentence out. She's like, you're lying. You're lying. You're not telling a lie, Whitney. And I was like, for some reason, I'm living for this right now. And then Heather being like, I don't care.

You've said all of this stuff to me to my face. She's like, Lisa, I'll choose your side no matter what, Whitney. You don't even have to waste your breath. Yeah, it's fine. But pornish is really what made me laugh. Meredith having security at her bat mitzvah. Security! She is waiting for this moment.

Even better than the security is Angie going, I'm 100 pounds. I weigh less than 100 pounds. Like, OK, skinny Angie going I'm a hundred pounds. I weigh less than a hundred pounds Like okay skinny legend. I'm sorry. She's tiny she's short. Yeah But it's like Okay, what a sleigh of a comment like I weigh a hundred pounds. You don't need to escort me out Yeah, I don't know that's throwing the napkin. Huh? I don't know what they're there for. They definitely weren't security You don't get a real security. No, those are the caterers that she was like security grab them out big dude Remember Meredith's whole like Palm Springs thing when she wanted the restaurant to like escort

Me that feels like she hired security There's never been security at like any other event. And she was like, security, this one out. Also how fucked up of producers to allow Mary to be so vulnerable and talk about such that conversation with Robert Jr. And then to like let her wander around this building looking through the windows.

You know someone could have been like, that's the entrance. And then they called the producers being Mary's going through her wander around this building looking through the windows. Cause you know someone could have been like, that's the entrance. And then they called the producers being, Mary's going through the back, she's going through the back. Pull the cameras. Yeah, but like instead they're like, try to open up the window right in front of where they're reading the Torah.

But also her conversation with Meredith, I loved that, it was so real. For just a brief moment, my girls are back together. And they're all very happy. I don't imagine it'll last long. my girls are back together I don't imagine it'll last long the girl is a girl but the girls are girling and it was very sweet and Congrats Meredith. Sorry your event got kind of overshadowed by a high body count hair but But it made for one of the... I don't even know if I can say one of the greatest episodes of this season. Like, and I... Brittany, you cannot be offended.

You literally called Angie a slut 20 minutes prior. Like, I'm sorry, you can't be like, oh, a victim in this moment. Also, maybe the most iconic moment is forever. Oh, yeah, I mean, somebody cried. And I just love that she kept going around telling people, like, I was told I have slutty vibes. I was like... She did call her slutty Britney.

Slutty Britney, I have a slut vibes. Andi did go too far, though, I feel like. She definitely went too far. You made a grown woman cry at a bar. At a bar mitzvah. That's Angie Cazenemas. Why is Meredith doing this at this stage of life? Because she never did it prior to,

and it's important to her now. She did say that with things that are going on in the world right now, that it felt important to her. She wanted to reaffirm her speech about it. I'm just curious, why didn't she get it done when she was? 12. Sure, is that the normal age?

Yeah, 12 or 13. Did she convert to be Jewish, or was she always Jewish and then? She said it's because she saw more of a culture versus a religion or something. She had some way 13. Did she convert to be Jewish, or was she always Jewish and then? She said it's because she saw more of a culture versus a religion or something. She had some way of. Okay. She's doing it now.

She's into it. She did enter on a sleigh. She did enter on a sleigh. She did enter on a sleigh. She did enter on a sleigh, and Todd scolded Bronwyn again. So there was that. It's not an episode without scolding from Todd.

Heather was giving side eye. Actually, she should. There was a really cute Instagram post from Bronwyn, though, of Todd looking really, really happy. I guess Whitney found one of the Starbucks mugs that Todd didn't have. It was like Times Square, and it's him with his mug, and he looks so overjoyed and happy.

It was really cute. For the man who has everything, that can afford everything. I feel like Todd's being misrepresented. I think he's a little curmudgeon-y. Yep. I love Todd. I do too.

I like Todd. You know? I think they're catching him in moments where he's just kind of like, I think it is not my place to speak on Todd and Bronwyn's relationship dynamic. And I love Todd. And the way he presents in this show is just not liking it. But Bronwyn would love to love him too.

Yeah, exactly. So like, I just think it's a man who was not to love him too. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So like, not my problem. I just think it's a man who was not made for reality television. Yeah, it's awesome that he's there. He's shocked seeing his wife behave in a way that she obviously wouldn't for like work events or anything else that they would,

or social events with their actual friends. But like at the same time, like Bron has to keep up with women that are calling people hair slutty, pornish, whatever. Pornish. That I'm like, if she's not defending herself or if she's walking away. And even then she tried to walk away and Angie was like, pornish, whatever. Pornish. That I'm like, if she's not defending herself or if she's walking away, and even then she tried to walk away

and Angie was like, don't walk away, that's cheap. Yeah, Angie's apology was not an apology at all. I probably would have walked away too, if that's what I got. The way Bronwyn tried to be nice about being like, is this where the apology comes in? And then Angie matching her energy with like, I think I'm owed one too. And I was like, Nope. I would have been like, okay, we're good. We're good. Not being good. Now we're starting to realize how Angie's getting

that center of snowflakes. She worked for it. I've been saying it. Also, I feel like we're kind of seeing like lack of Whitney. I was like, Whitney had the one bit about Lisa's lie. We haven't heard one thing about Alibaba since, she also never denied Alibaba. She's collecting evidence. We know she's bringing Monica up soon. She contacts Monica, we know that. She's gotta fight for some air time because I was like, were you even in this episode?

Lisa shut her down the one time she tried to start some shit. Didn't Monica have something to say? She did have something to say. After this episode, she posted on her story and said, "'All I'ma say is this, if that were me "'and I were screaming the word dick over and over talking about someone has porn hair and slut shaming someone at a freaking religious event,

y'all would have my damn head. And miss, I don't like people that are nasty to women just standing there laughing her damn head off wild. I got to shut my Lisa. Yeah, Lisa was cracking up throughout Angie's up. She was. Yeah. They're valid points.

These are valid points. These are facts. Yeah. They are, I think These are valid points. These are facts. Yeah. They are. I think the only reason that it's okay that Angie went the way she did is because Brittany did. Go after her husband.

Go after her relationship and husband 20 minutes beforehand in the most out of pocket way. And Brittany is the one constantly being like, I have a roster, I'm seeing 10 men, I have three men, I'm fucking six men. It's like you're- I also think Angie is just so funny that it worked. If she didn't say, high body count hair,

high body count dress, like, if it wasn't an incredible read, I don't think that was Monica's point though. Monica's point was just like, regardless of why I said what I said whenever she said it, Monica, being they always had a reason Of coming for her. Yeah, and they're like anytime Monica did something

Everyone just conveniently ignored the context that caused Monica to say whatever the fuck she said And then just judged her on the things she said in that moment. Meanwhile, we're all doing the whole thing So like well, but then she said that but but. Monica was the one who actually said that Angie's husband was gay too. So that's why she's speaking out because she's the one who originated. Yeah. And we know Monica is guilty as all of them. But like Monica. Oh my gosh.

Sorry. Breaking news. I'm going to quickly go back to ultimatum. I posted on my story today. Also, OMG, the ultimatum is crazy this season. Everyone must watch it right now. And I just got a DM from Sandy. OMG, don't judge me too hard, girl. There is so much tea behind it.

After I literally just said she. I said she. I just called her a soulless. Sandy. Sandy. Sandy. I said I don't trust her because she's hot. We look forward to having you on.

Yes. But like we. Right now, we don't have your side. You don't trust her because she's hot. We look forward to having you on. Yes. But like we- Right now we don't have your side of this. You don't have the context. And right now you aren't looking great. Yeah. So- Just looking rough.

Do I respond? Sure. Oh girl. Don't listen to this episode. Hey Sandy, don't listen to anything I said. Or do. Listen, I hope. I don't care. I mean, at least to Scotty's defense,

whether we believe his answers or don't believe his answers, he showed up at least recognizing how objectionable some of his behavior was. And Sandy, if nothing else, I hope she- Sandy's making great TV, I'll say that much. Can recognize how it is viewed. I said, oh girl, don't listen to this episode. She said, no, ha ha ha, fuck my life.

I said, we are excited to interview you and get context in your side, but this batch did not paint you in the best light. With the emoji that's like. Well, I don't know if she painted herself in the best light. I mean like, you know. No, well of course.

It doesn't sound like the next few years. She said, bitch, it's so bad. I'm so upset with all of it. Oh, well. Well, I would be too, you know? I mean, I really am curious how in fact, so like you know how this show, I think the show is basically going back to ultimatum,

it was like so and so gave me the ultimatum, and the implication is like whoever like gave the ultimatum is the one who like dragged their ass onto the show. They both wanted to go on the show. That's what I'm saying, I really wanna know the truth is because these individuals as couples showed up together. Someone had to give the ultimatum. We've learned this from previous seasons

that the ultimatum is kinda like, so who's giving the ultimatum? And it's kinda like, well, I guess I am because I'm the one who wants to get married. I think it's more like that. And I think it's convenient that the people who has levied the ultimatum gets to use that and weaponize that against the person

who gave the ultimatum. I don't know if that is the case in this situation, but I'd be really curious as to how Sandy and Nick together as a couple decided to do the show. Yeah, I'm very curious on, and I think the second batch will show what Sandy and Nick's relationship dynamic is because we really haven't gotten to see it.

Well, she said, my ex was also doing so much to me that's not shown, which is why I seem so disconnected from him. I mean, it's definitely not shown, that is for sure. Whatever he was doing is not shown. Because all we know is that he was texting his girlfriend a few and a half years. Nick does present red flags. I will say Nick does present a lot of red flags.

He's putting his frustrations into his piece, his art piece. I know. And he's not taking it off on anyone else. He just wanted to chat with her. There is a world where Nick is very much just in a relationship with Sandy and objectifying her and does not treat her well because of that. No, 100%.

And we will get her side when we interview her. Maybe the next batch will show. Her. So, sorry that was just. So Sandy, if I was really mean to you, don't take that personally. I think you're a slave and I do think you look like Megan Fox. She's like, honestly, that's all I needed to hear.

Southern charm. Oh, southern charm. I've become obsessed. My favorite show is back. It's your favorite show? Out of all of them, and now that we don't have Vanderpump rules anymore, and even in the last couple seasons, weren't that great?

Yeah, it's between Summerhouse and Southern Charm, but Southern Charm I've been watching since the beginning, and I love. So Olivia's been given the boot. Yep. It's like, all right, you won't talk to Taylor anymore. I mean, no mention of her whatsoever. It's like a new timeline.

Olivia. She like never existed. There wasn't even a goodbye. There was like, oh, we used to, nope. We just have a girl that Craig used to sex with, which is kind of funny. Who is like into Whitney? Which like, what is the draw with Whitney?

Money. Whitney's so scary. He's so scary. Whitney is Ms. Pat's son. And he's the creator and producer of the show. He was a rock star, right? He still lives at home with his mom, but he dates 20 year old models.

He lives at home with mom? Yep. He built a bar in the last season at his mom's house so that they don't have to go out to the normal bar. I don't understand the draw to Whitney and I need, like I get he has money, but a lot of people have money. I mean, let's at least find someone who is a little bit like a...

He's a producer, which means storyline, which means you can stay on another season. Insured job. So are you a bigger loser if you live at home with your mom or if you got projectiled from an ATV, told this dramatic story for the doctor to tell you you're fine but you're walking around with a cane. I understand why JT is not brought back for next season.

I kind of like him. It's enough. I didn't like him. He did say, he tweeted something a while ago that he didn't, like he left the show halfway or he would never go back. Do you remember this? He said that but then he was obviously there

for the promo day for photos and whatnot. He also leans into loser. He leans into like- Victim. Yeah, I'm not good enough. And it's like, no, you're not. He may be southern, but he doesn't have the charm. Well, when he says that he wants to have a conversation

with Austin, he's like, I'm gonna take the high road here and just be like, hey, I almost died. No, you didn't. I don't care if you're toxic. I'm good now. Life's too short to have beef. Like you tried to fight this guy, drunk, intoxicated, on top of a bar stool.

Like you made a complete idiot out of yourself and Austin's the one that you wanna be like. Is it getting weird that some of these, I mean, and I say this as someone who's getting older, but he looks old. Yeah. Who? JT? JT? Yeah. He's giving 50 year old man on Southern Charm.

He looks like Tom Cruise to me. Well, Tom Cruise is 70. Well, did you say it's weird that there's a 50 year old man on Southern Charm? It's just more like he'd look, it's just like. That's how it starts, like. They're all like, they're just like he's holding a cane. Yeah.

Well, that's because of his injuries. He's 38. He's 38. Well, it's like the insane thing. So I watched this episode of Southern Charm. I had never seen an episode before. I fell so madly in love with this show that I texted Ciara and then I was like,

I have to start from the beginning, don't I? And so I did. No one told me it starts off with a disgraced 50 year old congressman who just hangs out with these kids and then gets a 21 year old woman pregnant in like the first four episodes. Oh, it's a wild ride,

and that's why I love this show so much, is because nobody is performing for the cameras. This is an original group of friends, people who actually know each other, and any time they bring on new people, they're all really connected. It's not like, oh, somebody I went to college with 20 years ago that moved back,

let me give them an opportunity. It's like, no, you all know JT, you went golfing with him. No, it's like the girl I sexted with. Yeah. Sierra, do you think Vanita is performing with JT? Absolutely. I mean, I don't think she's performing. I think Vanita actually is one of the kind-heartedest characters on that show.

I think JT is a piece of shit for leaning in because I just don't buy him. I just think he got a bad rap the last season and now he's going to take this sweet girl and be like, no, maybe I just don't, I don't buy him. I just think he wanted to give, he got a bad rap the last season and now he's gonna take this sweet girl and be like, no, maybe I kind of like you. I don't buy it. Did we get any interaction with Craig and Molly? No, because they said they never met in person, they only sexted online.

So this is like their first time being around each other in person? Was it potentially very vulnerable? You're like, what did you guys say to each other? Yeah. They said other? Yeah. They said photos. Yeah. And videos.

And videos. Molly said videos. Yeah. Was there movement? Was there looks? Was there like one-liners? Yeah, I don't know. Shep, you know, opened up about how he did not do

any therapy at all, but he did go to Costa Rica and do Ayahuasca. And then send Taylor something really nice, a text. A text that she did not receive because he is blocked. But you know, I kind of, sorry to anyone who's done Ayahuasca, I'm over it. You know, I just go to therapy like a normal person and not like, why are we fixing our alcohol drug problem with like drugs?

Sorry, that feels wrong. I mean, Ketamine therapy. Well, you know. Ketamine is a drug. But it works. Yeah, but sometimes the mushrooms. It just feels like, I mean, I guess. I just, did it work with Jessie on the valley?

I was in tandem with therapy. Okay, well, Jessie's not a good example. Potench, but I, you know, I don't know. And then Shep's like, yeah, so I like go to the gym and I like don't drink as much. Yeah, I don't drink as much. It's definitely like the Bravo way of getting sober. Bravo sober?

Bravo sober. Not drinking as much. Shannon Madure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not drinking as much. I'm just not drinking as much. I'm not getting as much. I'm just not drinking as much. I'm not getting black out anymore. I'm just getting super fucked up. Yeah.

I don't know. I didn't realize, obviously, I hadn't watched this from the beginning. So seeing the flashbacks of Craig was very jarring. Yeah. I love Craig. Craig is somebody who you watch grow up on this show and I love him now, but back in the day, he had a lot of growing and learning to do he also has had quite

the glow up he's handsome he's a very handsome man congrats page discerbo I mean those and actually that I feel like maybe like more like thank you page yeah thank you and then congrats, Craig. Yes, yes. You're right. But as of now, they're a very hot couple. I will say that. Yeah, Craig was the one that everybody made fun of because he sewed and they were like,

what are you planning on doing with this? Built a pillow empire. He also didn't pass the bar and everybody made fun of him for that, for lying about it. Then he became a lawyer and opened up a practice and now he's opening up a bar. So like- He's very successful. And a conspiracy theorist. Yes. He didn't think pandas were real for the longest time. Oh, like conspiracy theory.

Well sometimes one thing start as conspiracy theories and they end up being facts. You know that happens a lot too. Listen as long as you own it. Like the moon landing. Yeah, I'm still... the jury's still out on that. Paige has a really good part in one of the shows and she was just like, you mean to tell me I can't get wifi in parts of Charleston, but we streamed the moon landing to everybody's homes in their living rooms, how? Stanley Kubrick is very talented,

but is he that talented? I don't know. I don't know, we did get a preview of the next two months. Yeah, what happens two months later? JT being accused of calling Pat the C-word. The C-word. Is insane. All right, I believe it.

Yeah. He's gone. He definitely did. Nobody goes after Miss Pat. She's got a bubblegum gun from the first episode I watched. Bubblegum pink gun. Mm-hmm. The thing is you shouldn't give an older person. Okay, but it matched, but in the episode I watched bubblegum pink done. Mm-hmm things you shouldn't give an older person

Okay, but it matched but she in the episode I watched she got like a very rare pink alligator skin Birkin To match her gun. There's a scene of her eating Burger King and a Rolls Royce That's you've seen this before. Oh my gosh. She's like the swan princess Vanderpump swan princess Lisa I don't totally understand her role on the show. She's Lisa Vandermump on Subway Shirt. I know, it just isn't, yeah. Well, Austin has a new girlfriend, Audrey. Pooks Monster.

Little Pookie Monster, also Pooks, Pookpotamus. Which, do we feel like we need all that? I feel like Audrey works, you know? I hate the word Pookie. I don't need to be led into your bedroom. Where did that come from? I don't know, I don't like it. Like, Pookie, like this pet name that we everyone gives

like this anonymous partner. I think it's that viral TikTok cup note. No, it was before that. But I'm like, I feel like Pookie became like 10 times more relevant. Now it's like, wait, you have a Pookie too? Pop 2 had Pookie. Yeah, oh yeah. If you guys wanna know one of my ex, it's the a Pookie too? I don't know. Hoptu had Pookie. Oh yeah.

If you guys want to know one of my ex, it's the word Pookie. I'm not loving it either. And I'm not loving it mixed with animals. No. A Pookiepotamus? Like, a hippopotamus is cute as it is. If somebody called me Pookiepotamus. Sorry, I said that.

Pookiepotamus. Yeah, the way that you said that. Miss Pookie Potty Miss? Sorry, I said that. Pookie Potty Miss. Yeah, the way that you said that. Miss Pookie Potty Miss. Miss Pookie Potty Miss. I would immediately break up with that. Yeah, that's kind of giving me an X. The word originates from 1900s in Germany as a term of endearment for children.

And then it was used in the 1960s as Garfield's teddy bear was named Pookie. And then now we know it from TikTok trends. Okay. Something I thought that was interesting was Craig's opinion on Shep's drinking and how he kind of said like, your drinking affected my business, which I don't know, I find that to be really true because I feel like I've gotten rid of friends in the past just because I'm like, your behavior is so destructive and there's no talking to you and it continues

on. Like, do you think that it's selfish or the right thing to do to distance yourself from somebody where you feel like their negative bad habits are bringing you down or like your business or affecting the way that you interact? Well, how are they affecting his business, I guess? I think he's saying it's like reputation wise, he's showing up blacked out at BravoCon.

He doesn't really, he does not have a great track record. I think if it's like time after time after time after time after time, then it's like completely valid. I think like giving up on a friend, like giving up on Shep like after his first blackout, you know? Like that's okay, like that's not a friend. And it's like, did you sit him down before he kept showing up and like saying, hey, you can't show up like this? Did you set any like healthy boundaries like prior to like alienating him or like?

I will say there's nine seasons of Shep's destructive behavior to back up Craig. can't show up like this? Did you set any healthy boundaries prior to alienating them? Or like? I will say there's nine seasons of Shep's destructive behavior to back up Craig. Yeah, so then no, no, no, no. That's valid at that point. No, I get that, but it's like, do you accept it, do you accept it,

do you go along with it for nine years, and all of a sudden you drop this bomb being like, I don't know, it's just like an interesting approach to addressing a decade problem. A decade problem plus years of friendship. But I've had a friend that when she would drink, she would get completely destructive, not even be able to maintain but somehow still be able to get angry and use language to where it was like, oh, if I'm your friend, why are you talking to me like this and then not take

accountability for it the next day that finally I just got to a point where I was like, I'm done. And that was a five year friendship. I mean, it's valid, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think at the end of the day, everybody has the right to protect their piece. Right.

So I think it gets more complicated when you're on a show and share a contract together. There is that. But do you think that if they didn't make the decision to stop talking to him, that he would be so avid about cleaning up his act, because now his two best friends are distancing themselves from him

because they did say that at the reunion last season. Well, maybe. I just hope that it's like if he has a real prom, they're having serious, real conversations with him outside of making a television show. Right. Well, we'll see. The season looks good.

The season. So does Ultimatum. everything out right now is giving. Yeah, go catch up on Ultimatum if you have not watched it. It is toxic as fuck. But you know what's not toxic? Our conversation with Riley Green and that is tomorrow. So be sure to check out that Going Deeper episode. And then on Thursday, we have the very wild and talented Michael Rappaport and

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