The Viall Files - E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

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Welcome back to another exciting episode of The Valfos. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the house. Oh boy, we got a jam packed episode for you. The one and only Michael Rapp report, Fortune Feimster, both join us later this episode. Plus, while we went to Kathy Hilton's holiday party, last night, it was wild. Lots of fun. Lisa Barlow was singing.

What'd she sing? Like a holiday song. I didn't recognize it. Maybe it was a- An original. I think she's saying, Maybe it was an original. All I want for Christmas is you.

No, she would not do a Mariah Carey. I mean, she would. I think she would, but I definitely saw a video of her and Kathy singing. I'm pretty sure she did. It was not. A Way in a Manger, perhaps? I think it was a Way in a Manger. That's her hit.

Yes, it was a Way in a Manger. Didn't she sing more than one? No, she only sang one. Do you think Lisa Barlow will ever release a holiday album? She needs to. I see that in her future. She definitely needs to. All of her cast mates were like, why is she doing this?

Perfect. We were with the rest of the cast. Well, Meredith was not, we did not see her. Meredith and Heather was not there. Brittany was not there. Brittany and Heather were in New York doing Watch What Happens Live. Okay, fair enough.

But she was invited. Yeah, I believe so. Brittany and Heather were in New York doing Watch What Happens Live. Okay, fair enough. But she was invited. Yeah, I believe so. Meredith unaccounted for, I was not made, no one really said anything about. Her bath ran long. Maybe. She was pruney.

Yeah. But they were like, yeah, Brandi and Heather are not here because of Watch What Happens Live. It was really kind of the, it was a Salt Lake City show for sure though. There were no other housewives that I saw there. Really? Well, OC, there were some, there was.

Who? Oh, Alexis Bellino and Johnny J. Johnny J, whatever. Johnny, did we speak to that? Absolutely not. Walked right past Johnny J. Not interested in that conversation. I was, but I didn't want to create a scene.

Yeah, we didn't need to be yelling in the corner with Alexis Bellino. Oh my God, that's a true housewife comment. No, I did not clock any snow this year. Oh no. There was like little like tufts but it kind of was giving like filling, you know what I'm saying, like stuffing, filling. From like a teddy bear?

From like a teddy bear. Okay. But not like a real snow machine. Real, they did have the pool open, which I believe last year it was covered with snow. Okay. This year it was open, which seems, as it is, very much so.

It was like you had to like shimmy around the pool to get to the bar, which feels dangerous, you know what I'm saying? No one fell in. Not on our watch. We did get out of there early. So. Well, we were by the area edge of the pool

and Natalie said, oh, there's Alexis Bellino. And then we immediately, let's get away from the edge of the pool in case Alexis clocks us. And pushes you in. It pushes us in. Yeah. Yeah.

And then sue us for that. I would have sued them actually, unfortunately for them. For what? For being cold and wet. Yes. that. I would have sued them actually, unfortunately for them I would have. For what? For being cold and wet. Yes. Yeah, that's harassment. I think so.

100% is harassment. Exactly, cold and wet? You ever been cold and wet? Yeah, all the time. Yeah. I did talk to Mary and she remembered that the last year that we were there I was pregnant. And she, you know, the last year she was like,

you're having a boy. We were like, no, I'm not a boy. And then this year she was like, you had a boy there, I was pregnant. And she, you know, the last year, she was like, you're having a boy. We were like, no, I'm not a boy. And then this year she was like, you had a boy. And I was like, no. She was like, did you have a boy? I didn't. I have a boy. But she was like, everyone here is lame.

And I was like, I know they are lame. She's like, I don't wanna be here. I didn't wanna come. Incredible. It was perfect. It was the Mary that I was hoping for. Yeah. Was she mad that River I was hoping for. Yeah. Was she mad that River's not a boy?

No. No, I did show her a photo of River and she went, she looks nothing like you. And I said, perfect, thank you so much. I am aware. So yeah. She said that to you? Yeah.

Out of love. It was out of love, of course. No, she was incredibly delightful. Yeah. Yeah. And we got a- Did we turn our Christmas trees on? Yeah, why aren't Christmas trees on? Why aren't our Christmas trees on?

We have to plug them in. Plug it in. Plug it in? Mary, do you mind plugging that one? Yeah. Sorry, it just was not giving holiday in here. It was giving like forest. We're talking about a Christmas party.

We don't have the Christmas trees on. Save the vibe. Get in there. Get in there, Mary. Yes. Yes. Good night. It's in there. Get in there, Mary. Yes, yes. Can I? It's on, it's on, it's on, it's on, it's on, it's on, it's on, it's on, it's on.

That would have been helpful five minutes ago. Everything is okay. Yeah, everyone just told me it was right there. I could have reached over. I feel like we really bonded in that one. I was just trying to be helpful. I felt like we bonded. Your ass is in my face.

Hey, you're welcome. Watching Nick try to turn on the lights after they'd already been. Yeah, it's giving. Yeah, man. Yeah, it is. Man. Man help. Yeah. Man help. Like, clearly we already did it. But it's like, Oh, can I? You got it. The woman like, you know, stand on four stools to get to reach that. And then once you grab it, it's like, oh, do you want me to get that? Yeah, no, I'm absolutely the worst and everyone else is the best. I will say, I know it's man help, but I don't think it's necessarily gendered

because I do tend to do that sometimes. Just sit and watch people? It's like, oh, I got that. Yeah, you're like, oh, do you need any help? After it's done? And when they've already locked in. Yeah, but I also just know that like, I'm not gonna be of use.

I'm usually there for emotional support. I am nothing if not for use. I'm nothing if not for use. Yeah. Say more. Do you think you're used? No, I think you're useful. I desire to be useful.

Oh. I don't know what man help is, but it doesn't apply to me. Yes, I got caught in a situation where I didn't know where the light was. Mary did jumped up, but I've never just watched people do things I could do on my own.

No, you haven't, but your man help is on your time. For sure. Yeah, it's like we need to get this down from the attic. Do not jump. Not in this moment. As soon as I'm given an assignment. Not within the hour at all, or the next two hours. Maybe this weekend.

Maybe sometime after this weekend. I was gonna do that. Yeah, after I get the stool and I crawl out there, then it's like, well, I would have done it right now. If you wanted to do that. Come on, I was gonna do that. Saturday morning, I needed decompress from my long week of work work and Nellie wakes up

and then she has a list of, oh my God, here's the things I want you to do today. Clean the rain gutters, come on. It's fun, the rainy gutters. I have not cleaned the gutters, we hire for that. I appreciate that, which we also have not hired. Tired anyone for that. Dirty, dirty gutters. we don't do either, clearly.

But I gotta say, really hanging out with the, we got some tea, lots of tea, so much tea. Tea that can be spilled. I don't know if we really should spill the tea. Plus? It was a lot about what we're gonna see, potentially at Rune. Talking to some people in the cast,

they feel good about how they showed up. Okay. And how they delivered. Now they don't obviously know how the edit will be, but they are confident in what they said and delivered within the next few episodes. And I am rooting for them. I hope what was said was what happens.

I'm so curious, I can't wait to find out. I said to a handful of the ladies, I will say it wasn't Lisa. We didn't see Lisa, Lisa was busy singing. Yeah, we did not get a chance to chat. We didn't get a chance to say hi. But I also told whatever castmates that my Salt Lake City wish,

and I don't care if it's this season or five seasons from now, because I'll wait, I'll be patient. All I want is for Lisa on bended knee, crying and begging someone for forgiveness on the show. I don't think she would get on a knee. Or two. That is my Bravo, Salt Lake City,

Christmas miracle wish. Well, I think Lisa will hear this and then she'll do everything in her power to not give you your Christmas wish. That's fine, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think Lisa will hear this and then she'll do everything in her power to not give you your Christmas wish. That's fine, yeah. Yeah. I don't think Lisa. They want me to get on my knees on the podcast.

Yeah. There was a lot of people coming up and the Vicky, I'll tell you what, that Vicky episode wildly talked about in Bravo Nation. Yeah. Beautiful. It definitely made some waves. It really made some waves. I was really just caught off guard.

I will say, and I think we need to acknowledge for Vicky, that if that appearance on the VyLFiles was any kind of addition, I think she nailed it. Yeah. You know. For executive producer? Maybe not, no, but we- What if we replace Alexis Bellino and give back Vicky?

Yeah, right, they gotta get rid of Alexis. Shannon needs us, someone on her side. But Vicky doesn't wanna film with Tamara. Well. I think she'll get over it. I think she'll get over it. When she gets that check. If she gets a paycheck, yeah.

Yeah. She's gotta go back to Mexico. She'll kick and scream, and she'll talk about not being an executive producer, but I think if they ask, Vicky's a-coming-a-running. I don't know how many seasons Tamara has left in her. Really? T, say more.

Well, you know, she just mentioned that the Christmas party, not this one, but Crystal's dinner, you know, that she's like, I don't need this. Yeah, selling your soul for drama is hard. She was like, I, you know, she says her podcast is doing just fine. And then we got to witness a real scene. We did witness a scene, a housewife scene.

It could have been an un-film scene for sure. It was awesome. Starring who? Can I get a franchise? Whitney. Okay. Yeah, starring Whitney. Starring Whitney.

And a little bit of Angie. And a little Starring Whitney. And a little bit of Angie. And a little bit of Mary. And a little bit of Mary. Wait, y'all were in an episode of Salt Lake City and you needed to start with that? No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No cameras. No, we were, we had a front row seat.

We were not in the, we were not in the scene. Okay. We were not in the scene. To be clear, they were all united. Yes, the three of them were together. It was against someone else. So that was crazy. You know what else is crazy? Megan Fox and Machine Gun Kelly allegedly call it quits

after just announcing. Is it alleged that they call it quits? Or is it alleged why? I don't think Megan herself or Machine Gun Kelly himself have been like, hey, yeah, we're broken up. But no one's like put out at Instagram posts being like, rumors, we're in love. No, a close source of the friend has said.

But it's like mainstream news. Well, and Megan's pregnant. So they just announced that recently. So that's why we're like, well, what is going on? Apparently she found text messages from other women in his phone. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Allegedly, and Megan Fox is done. And this is like a source close to them? Well, page six. Oh, obviously. Oh, obviously. The machine, the machine. What is the machine doing? Do you think she calls him machine? No, his name is Coul is machine doing? Do you think she calls him machine?

No, his name is Colson. Yeah. Do you think she calls him Colson? I think she does call him Colson. My twin flame, Colson. She only calls him Colson when the round runs out. The machine gun? Yeah.

Yeah, but apparently he was talking to other women behind her back. But this is from page six. It's a source that when they went away for the holiday week, Thanksgiving holiday, she became suspicious and decided to go through his phone, found text messages involving other women and decided she was done.

Women's intuition. A women's intuition. I, you know, how far along is she pregnant, do we know? No, we just, she just- Multiple months. Yeah, for sure. She's months, for sure. She's showing.

Months for sure. She is showing. Months for sure. She is showing. Well, that is sad, you know, when children are involved. It's sad. But I also do feel like they are a break up, get back together type of couple. That's what I said. I was like, we don't even know what term she's in.

By like third term, she probably will be back together. Because weren't they engaged? Remember the like- They were engaged and then they broke up. The ring with like the thorns or something. Well, I really hate this for Coulson. You know, he's a piece of shit. I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah.

Like if your partner is pregnant with your child, it's your job to not create unnecessary stress. And this is maybe the most unnecessary stress one could create for someone who's pregnant. Absolutely. Assuming this- She's around five months pregnant. Oh my God, the horror.

Oh my God. Yeah, Colson. Get it together. Smack the tattoos off his dumb little face. Well now he just painted his arms black. Yeah, he covered up all those tattoos. With one big black tattoo. Wouldn't it have just been easier to get a tattoo removal?

No, definitely not. Well, we saw that in Vanderbump Rules. Those are very long and tricky pain rules. It was easier just to- Probably. Really? I mean, it would have never been fully away. You can never get it back.

So he just would have had light, lighter tattoos. They leave a mark? It's not like your skin beforehand, no. No. Then he really would have looked like a dork. Oh, fuck. No, I'm just kidding. Did y'all see that Joe Burrough's house

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No one was injured in the break-in, but the home was ransacked, according to police reports, and celebrity break-ins may seem a dime a dozen. We've already covered them in the bling ring multiple times during Dorit Kemsley's whole thing in Housewives, we've seen it, we've even seen it in the NFL. But here's the thing. Here's the real kicker about this is that who was the one to report this heinous crime? Olivia Ponton. Not our Sports Illustrated TikTok star. Yes. Are they coupled up?

NFL.com described Olivia as, quote, a person who is employed by Burrow. Employed? Which is nasty, nasty, nasty work. Gagged. What does she do for Joe? That's the point. That's the point. That's so evil.

There have been dating rumors. She's a creative director for Sports Illustrated. She is a Victoria's Secret model employed by Joe Burrow. She dated Canadian soccer player Colleen Novak. If you listen closely enough, I can hear a publicist getting fired right now. Yeah, you can't make up stories about somebody whose entire life is on TikTok. Yeah, we know everything. The thing about it is though that like she's famously bisexual and it's just very funny that

like of all the men in the NFL Joe dresses like a lesbian Which is he in the way that he does like kind of look like Pennywise and loves to wear a sweater vest He's the closest thing you can get to a lesbian in the NFL Also, it seems like maybe you could call her a crime fighter slash hero. Yeah, why are we her mom? Okay, but what happened so she pulled up to the house and saw it. Yeah, she goes to the house. Dropping off coffee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's doing her assistant thing.

She's organized things closet. She's clocking in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she goes. She showed up for work. Yeah. And then when you show up to your office and your office is ransacked, you're gonna be shocked.

And who would you call first? But? Your mom. Oh. She called her mom. She did. She called her mom who then called the police on her behalf there's like glass everywhere and like the doors

open and like the house is trashed and like what Joe's trying to surprise me yeah do you think Joe's proposing so she called her mom she called her mom and her mom called the police yeah isn't that insane but also saying that her daughter is in the house and doesn't know what to do. Should she leave? Should she go upstairs and hide? What should she do? Would she walk in? Yeah. Like maybe the burglars aren't upstairs. They could be. I don't think she should go up there. She's just standing there calling her mom waiting for the call back being like do I leave? Do I stay? And he's playing a football game. Yeah. Winning a football game. I think that speaks to her bravery and heroism.

She is a true hero. I assume that, should I stay and fight this crime or? For sure. Avengers unite. We've all watched Law and Order. We all have. Yes. We all have our like scenario in our head of what would we do. I just always thought Olivia Benson would always be there.

You know? I was hoping Stabler. Or at least Ice-T. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I need a Detective Stabler to be there. Okay, if we're kidnapped kidnapped if we're being held hostage

If someone breaks in like here's what we're gonna do and Olivia's here's what she would do Yeah, I would probably also call my mom a hundred percent I'm out. It starts with debating As I'm backing out of the driveway being like, holy fuck mom. What the fuck do I do? Can you call the police? But everyone's okay. Have they caught the vandals?

I said today I don't think they have caught the vandals yet. Is there a security camera footage? Because I am interested in seeing that. I have seen the call, the little waveforms that they show on the call. You've seen her mom on the phone with 911? You know, she was live streaming on TikTok the whole time. Well it's tough because like when these players are playing. Yeah. People know.

It's like a whole thing. Like people have been burglarized. Like this. What happened with Travis Kelsey? Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. So, yeah. The Bengals and Joe Burrow, while getting over this trauma, will be playing the Tennessee Titans this weekend. OK. They're kind of uninteresting.

But I guess quarterback Will Levis always looks like a meme is what I've heard from the streets so And by the streets, I mean my roommate Cade who showed me pictures of him looking goofy But yeah, I think vibe wise like we kind of it's bang versus tight. It's bangles versus I do feel like we gotta go bangles Yeah, we gotta go. We gotta go Like that's like that's he needs like he needs a vibe He needs a vibe and his employee may be possible girlfriend is also a crime fighter slash hero. Yes, so exactly we need a Manifestation manifestation. Okay, has she responded to the allegations of her employment? Not that I've seen, but keep looking at her TikTok.

I'm sure. I'm sure. If someone called my maybe boyfriend my like employer, I would lose my mind. No, I'm pissed off. Yeah. Yeah. The way that I would immediately release a sex tape. Yeah, but I do want to say, the thing is like, it's so funny. I don't know if that would help.

Yeah they're like Joe Burrow needs to talk to HR because he's sleeping with his boy. But this isn't even so we're going Bengals though. Okay we're going Bengals. Cool cool cool cool. Okay I mean you can do whatever you want. I think you should go Titans. My high school was the Titans so. Oh okay. So if you care about Justin, yeah. Cool. Cool. Cool. Um, there's also some more drama going on in the NFL because I want to talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers who are the focal point of major flack right now. And I want to choose my words carefully in order to make my neutrality as a journalist. Um, again, neutrality as a journalist but they fucking wiped the floor with the Cleveland Browns last Sunday um you don't remember what was this no I don't but it was it was a lot of points versus

not that many yeah um so so what's the tea that's going on right now right so Carly Teller the wife of brownsguard Wyatt Teller took to social media after the game, stating, the fans in Pittsburgh today were so blatantly disrespectful to me and the Browns girls. I've never felt so attacked by people who I literally did nothing to. Is she a Brown's wife? Yes, she is Wyatt Teller's wife. She's had very sad slash embarrassing behavior.

What did they do? Well, for context, the Steelers and the Browns have like a historic rivalry. What did you do to her? Well,, the Steelers and the Browns have like a historic rivalry. What did you do to her? Well, after the game in Pittsburgh, fans famously loved to chant really, really loud, Cleveland sucks. Okay. But like, I personally would never do that.

You know, like I love the people of Cleveland. Like Molly Shannon is from Cleveland. I would never. Okay, so she wasn't like they were throwing ice at me. No, they literally were just saying Cleveland sucks they do it all the time and this was in Pittsburgh and Also, I actually have a firsthand source that I've reached out to to gather information on this because I've wanted to know what really went Down she calls you guys out. Yeah

But my brother Nicholas, who was in Pittsburgh at this very game, I called him in for a quote. And he said, and I quote this directly, your husband is getting paid millions of dollars to lose games. So get some top-rated skin. Gag. So your move, Carly.

Wow. What do you have to say back to that, Carly? Exactly. Yeah, I don't know if any Pittsburgh fans read that comment from Carly and thought, I'm sorry, we went too far. Yeah. Also, the Steelers are playing the Eagles this week, famously a team with a kind and loving fan base. A Pennsylvania rivalry. Pennsylvania rivalry. And the Eagles are also having some drama because their captain had to issue an apology for some locker room controversies. Is their captain had to issue an apology for some

locker room controversies. Is there a captain? Wide receiver AJ Brown. It's a defensive captain. Yeah. So wide receiver AJ Brown criticized the team's passing offense following their 2216 win over the Panthers. This caused some shit stirring when defensive captain Brandon Graham criticized Brown's

comments and said that AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts relationship wasn't the same as it had been in the past years and that they were not as close as they used to be. Graham then called into a radio station 94.1 WIP, which I assume is the Watch What Happens Live of Philadelphia, and apologized. But as we've seen from Scotty in the ultimatum, we can all take accountability and not really mean it. And this is really giving like Kyle Richards to re-exaggerating friendships. Yes.

So. Oh, the vibes in Philly are not good. The vibes in Philly are not good. The vibes in Philly last year are not good to close out the season, are they? Yeah, I mean, and they're on a run, but what is this turmoil gonna mean for the team? Wait, so it's Steelers versus Eagles.

It's Steelers versus Eagles, so are they picking the Pennsylvania team that knows how to bully in a fun way, or the Pennsylvania team that has the kind of behind the scenes tension that got Vanderpump rules recast? I feel like since we do love you, we do have to go Steelers. I'll go Philly.

Okay. Okay. All right. Where is it? Is it in Pittsburgh or Steelers. I'll go Philly. Okay. All right. Where is it? Is it in Tipperg or is it in Philly? Philly. Okay. All right. So.

Advantage Eagles. Advantage Eagles. Okay, well. That's stats versus vibes. That does it for stats versus vibes. Vibe versus stats, however, whatever order you want. Thank you, Wonderful Pistachios, for sponsoring this segment of The Vibe Files.

Visit wonderfulpistachios.com to learn more. Did you see Beyonce's mom liking posts on Instagram talking about the whole Jay-Z of it all? But now she says she was hacked. She said she was hacked. Tina, Tina, Tina. I will say it's pretty believable. But also, hasn't she been known to hate Jay-Z? My whole thing is that I'm like, what is this like? Say with your chest though.

Yeah, but I'm like, if someone's going to hack you, you think the only thing they're gonna go do is like a post from ABC7 Chicago about your daughter's husband? Is that all that happened? That's all that happened, that's what I'm saying. There's not like stories, there's not like things being exposed when people used to hack.

They didn't try to sell some merch or anything like that? Yeah, no. Well, when they hack your account, they're starting only fans. And like leaking alleged sex tapes. Like they're not liking random. ABC seven news. Just one, just two just liked one.

I think it's way more likely that she's like an older woman. And like I follow Tina on Instagram. She's so, so, so funny, but she's posting as if she is an older woman. And sometimes you just like things. I think sometimes you often like things. But I will also say like it wasn't like it was like a picture of Jay-Z and Beyonce

to where she would have been like, oh, my sweet daughter and son-in-law, like it said in big bold letters across the entire picture. Like what she was accused of. But also does liking necessarily mean you're like... Supporting. Support, you know what I mean? Like it could just be like, I've seen this. When it says accused, you know?

You're just verifying. Been there. Yeah, like, it just, I do that sometimes. So that everyone else knows that was on your for you page. If we're talking about anyone over 60, I guess anything is possible when it comes to social media engagement. Like how they engage with the internet.

Like when I see a news headline, I'm like, hmm. It is a weird day given the day after following an horrific accusation towards her son-in-law for her to be. Liking any picture with him and Diddy in the same shot. Even just to be casually on the internet, as if like, because that explanation is just like,

it was just another day of her drinking coffee and scurrying in IG, you know? Yeah. And I feel like we see that all the time where people go back and, I think they just don't realize that other people can see or that your name might come up if you're closely associated

with whoever's looking at that same post. So it's like, I don't think that she had the wherewithal to think like, oh, anybody could see it or think twice about it. She might have just double tapped and didn't think about it. But it's hard for me to believe that I'm like with a post with Diddy the day after these accusations that you were like, eh, ABC 7 Chicago? Like, yeah.

Do you remember when Instagram had the tab where you could see everybody's liked photos? Yes. Yes. So intrusive. That got so many people in trouble, ruined so many relationships that needed to be ruined though. No, but like that is the point,

even though like I don't think we really buy Miss Knowles's like engagement with her, but like I do think people often like liked things that didn't necessarily mean they supported those things at times because you could accidentally double tap or like, yeah, you could. You don't even have to double tap,

your thumb just has to be in the wrong place. Or they have like their, like River, like holding their phone and sometimes she's like in someone's VM. Maybe Solange had Tina's phone. Maybe Solange had Tina's, and she was like, kind of like sleepy. Beyonce is sticking by Jay-Z.

So a source did speak out and said that she wholeheartedly believes him, supporting him throughout. Does she have a choice? That's a wife thing to say for sure. They also did like a whole family photo at the Mufasa. Yeah, they were cheering on Blue Ivy. Jay-Z looked a little scared on the red carpet.

He looked lost. He should. Yeah, I mean, regardless of what's true, I guess. Yeah. Didn't singer MIA come out and say something that is the very famous paper plane song? You know what I'm saying? I like paper planes.

Paper planes? Yeah, I like planes. If you catch me in the board at home. She claimed Jay-Z told her to get plastic surgery when she first signed to his record label, Rock Nation. OK, so she's just being like, oh, I have a story about Jay-Z as well. Yeah plastic surgery when she first signed to his record label, Rock Nation. Okay, so she's just like being like, oh, I have a story about Jay-Z as well. Yeah, she just said that that was the first thing

that he said to her once she signed. I wonder what plastic surgery, like- I believe that. Like a rhinoplasty or? I don't know. He's like, you know, you would breathe a lot better if you got a septum. You know what?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Jay-R would be a lot better. You look a little congested. Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah. This is upsetting and gross. He seems like he has a deviated septum.

There's someone who used to have a deviated septum. JR. Who? Who's JR? Who's JR? From the ultimatum. From the ultimatum. Oh.

I have my own theory on him, but okay, okay. Do you wanna get into the ultimatum? Yeah, let's get into the ultimatum. Let's get into the ultimatum. Episode six. Can I just say, and I'll just stand on my own on this, but I feel like I was gas lit by Scottie on this. So was I.

So was I. This episode going, and I'm like, this is not giving sarcasm, this is not giving we're on the same page. This is not giving hee-hee how we're joking. No. Everybody's in on the bit. This was giving aggressive,

and like, I've only known you for two weeks, why the fuck are you coming at me like this yeah the storming around the apartment not saying anything not answering any questions but throwing those like death stares at her I was like over a silly rumor over a rumor that's he's not even your friend and then for him to be like I never accused you of that anytime a man is sitting on his phone like this and just like not looking at you, it's over. It's done, yeah. It's done. The way that he- Really?

I was gonna say. I was just kidding. I just, that made me laugh. That made me laugh. I guess do I ever do this? But you're not giving like death eyes. You're not doing Scotty. Yeah, Scotty was like pouting on his phone,

just being like, mm. Xana did say, are you asking me or are you telling me? Yeah. She handled herself very well. Incredible. Very poor herself very well. Incredible. Very poised, very calm. She really gave him all the benefits of the doubt. The second she said, you're obsessed with JR,

the smoke that poured out of his ears. Literally. I mean. I'll defend him on that one. I'm just over this whole like, when did JR become this like God's gift to, like. I don't think it's, no, JR thinks that he is God's gift with the whole conversation with Nick being like,

is it cause it's me? Is it cause it's me? But I do think- There's that theme of like, imagine someone being like, you're obsessed with whoever. Like it's your, there's no way not to act. I think after you're like, hey, because you take your phone to the bathroom

at 1.30 in the morning, you're texting JR and telling him things about me. Oh my God. Is giving obsessive. But also maybe she's going on TikTok. I think Scott is getting obsessed, I think Scott is obsessed with being right. My whole thing is that this is where I get confused

with the show because I'm like, are you getting mad at her for texting her actual boyfriend that she wants to propose to her? No, that part is crazy to me for all these people. Right? Where it's just like, I'm all for the role play, I'm all for the experiment, seeing what it's like to have a quote unquote, like fake, temporary.

But the disrespect of these actual relationships is if you have any authority or right over these relationships, I just find to be like, take away from the experiment. It's disrespectful to like, any of these relationships, I just find to be like, take away from the experiment. It's disrespectful to like, any of these relationships. You know? Yeah.

The reality of the real relationships, and then it's like him getting, being upset about her talking to her partner, and you're just like, you don't, this has been two days. Yeah. That you guys have been in this trial marriage. She owes you nothing.

Yeah. Also, isn't the point of this relationship to figure out what you can work on to be a better partner in your real relationship? And then Zayn is telling him exactly what he needs to work on. He's like, no, you're wrong. Yeah. You're actually, you're keeping things from me. It's insane.

Once again, and I'll say it with my full chest, Scotty's insane. I will say he had, you know, a couple of good explanations for his first actions But this Zaina was very clear on like that you I don't what what is this energy you're bringing? I'm leaving. I don't feel comfortable staying in this place with you. You're gaslighting me Like I'm getting the fuck out of here all very valid. I don't feel like he would have had any Excuse for that. There is no like oh you're missing context or oh we were joking. There's none of that No, I'm scared and I didn't feel like he would have had any excuse for that. There is no like, oh, you're missing context or oh, we were joking. There's none of that.

I'm scared. And I didn't even like his answers from our interview with him. I mean, they were all just like long answers that made me just like, are you even answering this question? It was definitely giving blaming the edit. Yeah.

Yeah. And I will say that I got a lot of DMs from people who claimed to have known him personally uh-huh and they're not fans of the person they know but the emotional maturity or seemingly emotional maturity of aria juxtaposed to the what seems to be a lack of emotional maturity from Scotty is a jarring they did stones I I keep forgetting

that they are an original couple and I don't see how. No, watching him argue with Zaina gives me, obviously they've known each other for three weeks, it gives, and he's been with Aria for three years, gives me just the slightest glimpse into their relationship and makes me want to like wake Aria up and be like, if you don't leave this man, obviously we don't know if they're together, but like, please do not marry this man.

I'm begging you. It's gonna be very interesting to see what their, what are they, the recoupling, what do they call it? Yeah, the recoupling. The ultimate. The ultimate, like what that's gonna look like of this three weeks. The switch up. The switch up.

Yeah, the change up. When they're back together, like her after, Aria after spending time with Caleb, actually having a person that seems Just decent. Decent and more emotionally available than Scotty. She's very quick to articulate just how much better she thinks she's a fit with Caleb over Scotty.

Yes. Which I will be interested to see how Scotty embraces that feedback. Did anyone else understand why Sandy started sobbing about Nick? Yeah, cause JR was kinda coming at her in a very weird way, where he was angry with her for talking to Nick, which again, to Sierra's point,

it's like, why are we getting upset with people for texting and talking to their actual partners? It gives like they've had a plan to like leave with each other and now JR is feeling like, why are you texting him? Like, I thought we had this good thing going on, you know, that's what that is giving. Interesting.

But it's like, I mean, Sandy's like physical reaction to whatever she claims Nick is doing. She's like, I just want him to stop. Like, I don't know what he's doing because they're not showing it. What they are showing is him getting an incorrect tattoo. Yeah. That's wild.

So. It seems like he's just blowing up Sandy and not respecting quote unquote the trial period. But again, like the whole thing is just so weird to me because I'm like, is he wrong for that? That's the woman he wants to marry. And he's like, dude, you've been sitting here having another relationship.

I'm by myself and you're not giving me anything. And I feel like JR and Sandy are taking this experiment to a whole nother level that none of the other couples are. Like everybody else understood the assignment and they're like, well, like, am I leaving with you or am I leaving with my partner? And it's like. She kissed him twice just to say good night.

You know? Yeah. She's about to like tell Nick that she only kissed him twice. So they kissed him twice in one night. But we actually. we actually that was just what we saw before the turn the lights off But it was like pack and then he he packed and then she went back for more Mm-hmm, but they also kissed before they even chose each other. So like yeah, I will say we've seen like seven Yeah, they're they're making out out out. out. They're sleeping in the same bed. Yeah.

She's backing it up in bed. She's doing the wiggle. They're spooning. She's backing up and giving that little shimmy, you know, just to get that extra inch. I don't think you need to do it. You don't need to show us. Is that what you look like when you back it up?

Yeah. Exactly. It is. You don't need to show us. Is that what you look like when you back it up? Yeah. Exactly. Oh. It is. You want to hear something crazy? This isn't spoiling, but I watched ahead in this batch. And the tattoo that Nick got is a tattoo that JR has. Stop.

OK, and here's where. No. Not a spoil, but you were. Here's where I do kind of want to defend Sandy. I feel for Nick. Because. That's dark. That's dark.

Yeah. But they're like, it's like Latin words, right? Like how did he get the same tattoo as JR? I guess it's like a common like, man tattoo. Did y'all hear JR say the two words holding space? I did. Yes. Yes.

Yes he did. So did Nick. I think it's just been a thing that people have said and no one ever thought about. And now anytime somebody says it, I'm like, Whoa, yeah, I've literally never heard that in my life. So that's crazy. Yeah. No one mourns the wicked. I've heard the term holding space. Like I hold space in my heart for that person or something like that, but like, not as like, um, and like a verb. I just made a playlist called Holding Space. Nick was talking to Mariah and he said,

it was interesting to hear JR describe her holding space because that hasn't happened for me. So again, the question is, what does holding space mean? I think it's in your heart. Holding space means like you're giving. In that context, I don't know what he means. I feel like it means you're like setting aside like a portion of your head.

You're giving something some kind of energy. You're giving it attention and you're like intentionally giving it attention. You're holding space for it. Yeah, but in the context of JR and Sandy, what is Sandy doing differently with JR that she's not doing with Nick that equals holding space? Oh, that, no.

I was just thinking about that. I would just like to read a couple of the things that Scotty said in this argument. That's unnecessary drama. You're too old for that. At 32, you should hang up the drama jersey. That's tough. Another one. You are painting a real ugly picture of yourself

with your true colors right now. I wish we had Scotty on this episode to read him that line and be like, this is a joke. So yeah. Where's the punch line? That sarcasm. How are you gonna blame the edit for this one?

Yeah. It's also like the bullshit excuse of being sarcastic. Like as someone that like is a very sarcastic person and does use jokes to deflect feelings, you can, that's like, it's very easy to do that, but then also be able to be kind and thoughtful and listen to people and not be a dick. Because she like ran out of the hotel room basically.

Yeah. Oh, she was out. She was like, I will not stay here one more second. I am. And it's, you know, when she walked out, you could see see her kind of being like now where the fuck am I gonna go? Yeah, she was like Where was J.R.'s apartment again? And where am I? I don't even know where I am. I think Arizona. I think they're Los Angeles Well, if you haven't watched the next batch of episodes be sure to do we'll be breaking the rest of this batch down on

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I am excited to be here. I'm waiting for my coffee. Yeah. One of your minions. Because I want to just clarify. Yeah. Because I want it to be on time. We appreciate that.

You're early. I just wanna just clarify, because I want it to be on time. We appreciate that. You're early. And the reason why I was early is because I produced, I texted one of your producers, I mean this is a big fucking operation you got here. This is not, it doesn't look, on camera it doesn't look like a big opera, I mean it looks like a clean,

but you walk in there, there's people, but I texted, I said, yo, coming I'm on the way in an Uber dot dot dot dot dot. Can I get a coffee? And then I was very specific about the Trenty and the two pumps of vanilla. I reached out and I said that. And then when I got here, one of your minions said, do you really want the coffee? Like I was a different minion though. A joke. Like it was a joke.

Fucking just throwing it out. Like a suggestion. And I'm still waiting for it. But I just thought that was very funny. Very, very much of the generation. Do you really want, yeah, motherfucker, I really want that fucking coffee with the two pumps of vanilla and regular milk.

And I even said, make sure they get me the big straw because the trendy... 102 degrees Fahrenheit. Where are we on this coffee? Two minutes. We'll see, we'll see. We'll see, we'll see. We'll judge it by the hourglass of the podcast. I hope it's right. I hope it's right.

I'm sure it'll be right, but I just thought that was very funny. But I'm glad to be here, happy to be here, excited to be here. I'm a fan. What brings you to town? What brings me to town is meeting, greeting, family, and that sort of stuff. It's LA, you know what I mean?

It's show business. You gotta come out to town every now and then. Where you living, New York? I live in New York. I lived out here. Well, I had a place out here. I lived out here for a long time, and then I finally left.

I have no residence here. So it's unusual for me to take Ubers and stuff like that because I, so many years, I mean, I learned to drive in Los Angeles and I learned my sort of, you know, way around Los Angeles, you know, from driving. So now to be driven, it's a little unusual. I think I have personally seen you at Jones on Third

three times in my lifetime. So. That's my spot. I too go frequent Jones. I don't think I've ever seen you there. I'm there. Which one do you go to? Jones on Third.

On Third. Not Ventura. Is there a Jones on Third on Ventura? And it's called Jones on Third? Jones on Ventura Place. I didn't know that. Yeah, in the Valley. That's good to know.

That is good to, I didn't even know that, but I like Jones. I like the food. I like the Arnold Palmer. I like the ambiance. Love the Arnold Palmer. Yeah, love that. I like the cookie if you're feeling feisty. And I like the outdoor seating.

And I've always liked Jones. I particularly appreciated Jones during the pandemic because they set up their outdoor seating and they had a good situation going. So Jones is a good spot. I haven't hit Jones yet. Are you a Chinese chicken salad? I was Chinese chicken salad.

Chinese chicken salad. And they got some, you know, I like Jones. I got some, I like Jones. Jones is good. Jones is good. Well, we obviously wanna talk all things bra with you, but before we do, we have- Has any one of your podcasts ever started

with food and coffee? It's usually scandal or, you know, you know- We've definitely gone food and coffee, I'm sure. All right, all right, because usually like when I see like it starts, it's like, you know- Right into it? Let's get into it.

Which is, yeah. Yeah, we bounce around. Which just makes it good, you know? Kind of depends on our guests, you know? Like if you're able to articulate the way you are, food and coffee, we keep it in. All right. Yeah.

We haven't really a chance to talk about the Luigi, which is kind of like taking the nation by storm. You seem to have strong opinions on just about anything. And I thought we would wait for you before we tackle this national storyline. This is my day two since Luigi, now since his air, it'd be two or three days since Luigi has been nabbed.

Captured. Captured. He wanted to get caught. Oh no, he didn't want to get caught. You don't think so? I think he knew he was gonna get caught. This is my hot take. I think Luigi's addicted to pain medication, number one,

because he's got his back injury. I think Luigi's a sick fuck. Number one, two, and three. I don't give a fuck if you have, can I curse? Yes, please, fuck shit balls. After evil. We'll keep it all in. I didn't wanna, well I know you gotta beep it for,

because the clips. Well the clips will be beeped. Bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. But the episode, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Luigi's a sick fuck, Luigi's a cold-blooded killer, Luigi's got a nice jaw line. And Luigi- Six pack too.

Six pack. Don't forget that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Luigi's got nice hair, and Luigi's the cold-blooded killer, in fact the Tim and I think it is him and I don't think despite

the fact that The healthcare industry is problematic. I don't think it's acceptable to literally Dehumanize everybody and anybody who's a part of the healthcare establishment, healthcare world, profiting off of it to dehumanize them and celebrate cold-blooded killing in my city or any city. Because I think that when you start dehumanizing and celebrating cold-blooded killers despite whatever feelings you might have

about what the person does, it's a trickle-down effect. And I don't wanna go too deep into, that's my take on it. I hear what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? Because if it's just like, oh, well fuck the guy, you know, and fuck him, and this is what he did, and he profited off of this, and then we're free Luigi, we're sending our underwear to Luigi and we're bailing out Luigi

and we want to wear Luigi hats and all this shit. We want to go to prison to be Luigi's, like, hold his pocket. Where were you before? Like, oh, Luigi wasn't popping off before? We have your coffee. Thank you, my friend. That looks delicious. Let's go to taste test.

Can we get another straw? I'd like to have some. Good. Thank you, my friend. That looks delicious. Let's get a taste test, let's get a taste test. Can we get another straw? I'd like to have some. Good, thank you. Wow. Now, the guy who I mocked a little bit, I'm afraid he didn't have his hands on, he didn't get his dirty paws on it, because when I busted his balls.

What's his name, the guy? Sweet Boy Justin. He's right there. Sweet Boy Justin. Sweet Boy Justin. Don't get your fucking hands on this. You're not gonna put anything. I wasn't able to spin in it. You wasn't, unfortunately.

I knew, cause he's like that motherfucker. He shamed me about his coffee. As if he needs any more coffee. Like how many visitors do we think Luigi is gonna have in prison? Too many. Do we think he'll be able to even have visitors? I can't.

Not now, when he settles in well. Well, and also like, I think Luigi is bringing in toxic masculinity into 2025, because I thought, this is a toxic masculine poster boy. I don't like him. I'll just kill you. Yeah. True. You know what I'm saying?

100%. Yeah. And then when the means start justifying the ends, I don't know. It's, uh... I mean, people have been canceled for way less than a cold-blooded killing. I mean, people have really, I mean, a father, a husband, you know? Yeah.

People have been canceled for a lot less than what Luigi has done, but I mean, he is, Luigi's off the fucking rails, man. He's gone. Yeah, that's what's sad. There's clearly, I mean, when you find out that his family filed the missing persons report in November, can you imagine what it would be like to like,

first of all, scary to have anyone Terrible. Disappear, you don't know where they are, and then next time you hear from them Terrible. Is when you find out they're the assassin, like you watch the assassin, you're just like everyone else being, this is crazy,

I can't believe this happened. Then you find out it's your brother, sister, son, family member. I feel horrified for his family. It's crazy. It's a crazy story. And it's nothing to celebrate or this is not a hero or anything like that. And you know, if in fact he did it. So, you know, we can make all the jokes and the six pack and the jawline and the, what's his, James Franco's brother? Yeah. The Ryan Murphy, don't do it. Oh, that's for sure. You know, Ryan Murphy's just like,

oh my, oh my God, we got Luigi. I mean, the Netflix doc, three part documentary is already started. It's already been a board game. They started filming that shit. It's coming out, it's coming out by the end of the year. It's true, it's true. So that's my hot take on Luigi.

What is your favorite Bravo franchise, show? Very good question. I have to say I go to what's on. So whatever in my, you know, whatever in my soul, my immediate soul, I would say, I will say that the greatest reality TV show of all time is in fact, Vanderpump Rules. That's a fact.

That's undisputable and I'll debate anybody, I'll crunch numbers versus, I know you know. I think Justin wants to argue with you. You won't get any debate from us. Justin's not gonna say anything until he realizes that when somebody says I would like a coffee, they mean it. Especially when they reach out.

In the morning. Vanderpump Rules is the best TV show, are you sure? The greatest reality TV show. Are you sure? 100%. 100%. You don't, what, do you not agree? No, no, no, I do.

I do. She's trying to do a callback. The coffee. Oh, I see, I see. That's fine. I'll see myself out. No, I like that. I respect that.

I respect that. Yeah, so Vanderpump Rules, and you know, I mean, myself out. No, I like that. I respect that, I respect that. Yeah, so Vanipam rules, and you know, I mean, it ebbs and flows. I think, like I said, it's whatever's going on, and then you look at like Real House Sites of New York, the revamp has been... Awful.

...problematic. Yeah. Awful. And the fact that it hasn't been problematic at all. Garbage can, abysmal. It's been really right. Yeah, everyone's nice. And I feel disrespected by some of the stuff that it hasn't been problematic at all. It's been really right. Yeah, everyone's nice. And I feel disrespected by some of the stuff that's going on.

Those are your people. I know. No, those are not my people. But I feel disrespected by some of the story lines this year. I feel like you're either, you can't be a halfway housewife. Yep. Like either fucking do it or don't do it. And I know it's a come up and all that stuff,

but it's disrespectful to us. It's disrespectful to the people that appreciate the show. It's disrespectful to the great Countess Luanne, Sonia Morgan, Ramona Singer, Dorinda Aviva, Bethany Frankel, and everybody that has come before to play games with this shit. It's called real, Housewives for a reason. Don't, like when you're doing a storyline in season two,

I don't even think halfway through the season of a pregnancy prank. I'm out. That the audience isn't in on either. Like that was the thing, it was like, it felt like the prank was on us, and it's like. That's season nine. You have to be in your revamped season.

You don't do that. Yes. We're jumping the shark, season two. And it's really, I don't know what's gonna happen. I've heard, I don't follow these things specifically, but the ratings not being well, doing well. So New York has been very disappointing, although I am broke back Mountain.

I won't quit you. I won't quit you. I won't quit you. It's close to quitting. And I will say there might be some scrolling, you know, during, me and my wife forbid that shit. There's some checking out. Yeah, like, oh, you forbid the phone. When me and my wife watch a show, we don't scroll.

I respect that. But we have given ourselves the space to scroll during Rony because of the disappointment. And I mean that. But we have given ourselves the space to scroll during Roni because of the disappointment. And I mean that sincerely. Well, we went to Kathy Hilton's Christmas party last night and we had the opportunity to hang out. Yeah, it was lovely. And the most of the cast of Salt Lake City was there.

And I gotta say, those ladies are real housewives because when we hang out with them, they did a scene. Like an unfilmed scene. It was real. You talk to these ladies. They're not checking out. There's no like, oh, we're filming a TV show. I felt like last night we were hanging out

in a part of an episode of Salt Lake City Housewives and it was fantastic. I'm so jealous. Same. It was great. That you went and I gotta be on, who's the producer? Was it you?

Who's it? Leia, she's on the Zoom. You know, like, make sure you come on time. You know, you're in LA, do you wanna come to Kathy Hilton's Christmas party? Might've been nice. Might, it might've been nice. Well, you know, Kathy Hilton was handpicking.

That's what Mary said. I would have... Mary was there? Mary told us that. Mary told us, yeah. Yeah. I think the people all actually did. Can you show them the picture?

Show them the picture. I'll show you the photo. Just stick it in my face. I mean, it's painful. We're falling apart. I'm breaking up shit. I'm sorry. Get this man out of here.

I'm sorry. No, no, and I will show up shit. Sorry. Get this man out of here. I'm sorry. No, no, and I will show you this. Angie, Bronwyn, Mary, Whitney, Lisa. She was there too. She was singing while we took this photo. She was singing away in a manger.

I'm so jealous of this. It was awesome. What's Mary Cosby like in real life? The exact same. Exactly the same. She told me's Mary Cosby like in real life? The exact same. Exactly the same. She told me my child looks nothing like me. So. Ha ha.

That's so like her. She also told me that, because the last time we were there, we saw her and I was very huge and pregnant. And she said that she did not get very big at all, that she just looked like she had a big bowl of pasta while she was pregnant. Of course.

Yeah. Of course, She shamed you. She's like, you're a huge bitch. Did she say that? No. She's like, well, I can't relate because I just looked like I had a big bowl of pasta. She's one of the greatest shade. Like, I would say that out of all the Housewives,

she, to me, is the most unpredictable. You truly never know what's going to come out of her mouth. Yes. And you know she means it. 100%. She, to me, is the most unpredictable. You truly never know what's gonna come out of her mouth. Yes. And you know she means it. 100%. You know, where she's not saying it

even to be mean or even to be nice. She's just saying it because that's exactly how she thinks and feels in that moment. And even if it's like, if it hurts you, you just feel grateful to have heard her truth. Yeah. 100%. It's like, I can't take offense to anything Mary says

because I'm just grateful she said it. 100%. Was Bronwyn there? Yeah. Bronwyn. Was her husband there? No, and I wanna meet Todd. I ride hard for Todd. I think Todd's misunderstood.

Really? Why do you think Todd is misunderstood? I mean, yeah, he's a curmudgeonly old rich guy, but like, you know, like I don't expect him to like that his house, his wife got bored and decided to be a part of this franchise. I get it.

Did he not, or did she not run it up the flagpole? Did she not, like, cause I guarantee you when she was like, you're riding my dick or I'm on your dick and the cursing and all, I know he was probably like, what? Who the fuck is this? She had this different person inside her this whole time.

Like, did she, did she, was it disgust? I don't know, I think she was just like, I'm gonna do this thing. And he was like, you know, if it makes you happy, baby. And then she did it, and now we're getting to see, at least Todd's keeping it real. Todd's keeping it real. I gotta tell you that they have the traditional

bad writing on the wall. Can I ask you a question? Is that the Robert Frank book, The Americans? Why is it there? I went to a bookstore and the guy who sold me a book told me it was a really prestigious, cool book. 100% it is. I was just talking about that book the other day.

I mean, you just got that? No, I've had it for a couple years. Fuck yeah, that's dope. I thought you were about to say like, we'll get canceled for having that. And it was like, we've had it in the front of our show. The part is over today. I'm not gonna-

You are about to tell us that some shit. I'm not gonna educate photography people until today, motherfucker. I'm not gonna pretend to be culture enough to like have bought that like on my own, but I listened to someone who clearly knew what they were talking about, and I was like, can you show me some really cool books

that I would want to, you know, commercialize? Specifically photography books? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dope. Are you a photographer? I'm a photography fan, but I literally was talking about specifically that book like two podcasts ago, on my podcast.

Really? Just mentioning that book and other photographers because why was I talking about it? I can't remember. I think a photographer passed maybe. And I might have mentioned and I was going through, I don't know, but that's why I just caught that. Shhh, surprising though.

Surprising that you don't have like, you know, like that's there, I get your books there, okay, we gotta fucking sell, sell, sell. ABC, always be closing. But the Americans, fuck yeah, man, I, that's there. I get your books there, okay? We gotta fuckin' sell, sell, sell. ABC always be closing. But the Americans, fuck yeah, man. I like that shit. Yeah, we have taste around here. Okay, try.

All right, I like that, I like that. Respect. Okay, so Bronwyn, I have a question. In the rumor mill, and I don't know if this is true, but if it is, it's unbelievable. Did you see that Sandoval fired his lawyer? Is he, and he's representing himself? It's all of a sudden become must-see television.

Get the cameras rolling. Season 12, all by itself. All by himself. Report TV. Anybody that represents himself is gone, but Tom Sandoval representing himself is fucking, that's unbelievable. If that's true, holy shit.

Do you think it got just too expensive for him and he's lost Schwartz and Sandys, he doesn't have Vanderpump rules, I don't know if his extras are touring. Honestly, now you just made me feel bad. Cause that's probably it maybe. You should feel bad. Do you love Tom? I wouldn't say if his extras are touring. Honestly, now you just made me feel bad. Oh. Because that's probably it, maybe. You should feel bad.

Do you love Tom? I wouldn't say I love him. I don't think he's the monster a lot of people like to act like he is. I just, he has his own moral compass. It's very different than I think most people's moral compass, unlike say a Jax Taylor who has no moral compass. And I don't think Tom.

He's evolving. Yeah. Let's take it easy on Jack. You think Jack is evolving? I mean, he's trying. You think? He went to, listen. They said he came back the same.

Well, it takes a little, it's a process. Oh no. And he might have to go again. And like we all might have to go again. Tom is working with what he's got. And when I was on Special Forces with him, all I could think about over. Wait, you were on the show with him?

Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that Finished good for you. Did you really good for you? Thank you. Was it fucked up? It was fucked up I mean, they literally torture you for a week not Metaphorically speaking they torture you no sleeping. You've got six hours of sleep at night on a cot I didn't know you were on there. Yeah, it was hypothermic for three days. Would you do it? You know when I was watching now, you know my I was Yeah, it was hypothermic for three days. Would you do it? You know, when I was watching, you know, I was like, man, I wonder if I could do that. And my wife was like, not only could you not do that,

what they're doing, you're not going on there to show the entire world what I already know. So. She's like, you're not gonna embarrass our family. The whole thing, yeah. Like, you can't do it. I know you can't do it. And you won't. And you're not gonna embarrass our family. The whole thing, yeah. Like you can't do it. I know you can't do it. And you're not gonna try to see if you can do it.

I wanna say this to you because I've said this on Vile Files Plus, but I wanna say this to you. When I was filming with Tom on Special Forces, it was fresh off of Scandival. So you know him different, go ahead. And I got to know him there. Like I said, Tom is working with what he's got, so to speak. Then what is that?

Not much. In terms of like, you know, troubleshooting and processing and figuring things out type of stuff. A processing issue. Yeah. And I've met Ariana who she's very smart. And all I could think about for a week while I was with Tom is she dated him for 10 years and it's just, there's a disconnect between like. You know, when you, you, it's not like she did him for two weeks or two months

or like a year and she's like, he changed after the first, that was a whole decade. And it's just hard. And they were filming a show. Sure. Entwined in this thing that sort of took on a life of its own. If you're suggesting maybe that it was a show man, it's not a real romance. No, no, no, no.

I'm just saying at that age, I could see how life could sort of, you know, like you're like, oh, and then just, you know, and it's kind of just happening. Yeah. Now, I like the idea and the processing issue thing. I hear you on that. I think when you think about how intelligent Ariana is, and then where Tom maybe struggles,

it's his heart, and then knowing that they did it for 10 years, there's a disconnect in that something. To me, like one plus one isn't equal to. Well, the two takes two to tango. I struggled to be in the same vicinity as him. Really? Yeah. Because of Scandible?

No, not at all because of Scandible. He was yelling at Natalie for an hour and a half when we interviewed him. He was yelling at you. He was yelling at me, but it was just like, there was a lot of, you know, Special Forces watch parties and it had nothing to do with Scandible.

It was just, you know, his personality is not my cup of tea. So I, and maybe Ariana and I have different. But the thing about Tom though, is he's very transparent about who he is. You know what you get, you know what I'm saying? He doesn't surprise you. Turn on episode one, season one of Vanderpump. And then meet Tom today. It's the same fucking guy.

So anyone for who's just like, I can't believe you did this, or like you've, he hasn't changed. I just don't think Tom can be that dangerous because he is who he is, he lets you know who he is. There are no surprises with Tom. If you're surprised, I feel like that's. I got you. You know what I'm saying?

Let me ask you a question. As fans, I throw this at all you guys, as fans of reality shows, do you, like when you went to this party last night, like I've been around them at BravoCon and stuff like that, but do you like to know how the sausage is made? Do you like to have inside scoop and all that stuff? Do you like to understand it? Because I'll be honest with you, as much as insight as I have into the way TV shows are made,

people as I know, housewives, you know, producers and stuff like that, I never want to know anything other than what I see on TV, just for pure entertainment's purpose. I liked behind the scenes because, like, as someone who's been very much involved in the making of reality TV Have you I don't know this I don't know how the bachelor right? Yeah for a while

So you know how the shit works? Yeah, and so like as the bachelor you're you're producing You know along with along with the producers so to speak I got this shit now. Yeah. Okay. So, and I think even though there's the behind the scenes, there's the behind the scenes of the behind the scenes, in the sense that for me,

like when I get to meet these ladies and I meet a brawin, right? And then I meet like an Alexis Bellino, it's just like, I can tell who's like, this is who they are, this is, and then like, who's putting on the show, you know what I'm saying? So for me, there's kind of the analysis of like the behind the scenes then behind the scenes of like I got you Kind of I got you wants I understand. I understand. Okay. Okay. What did you think of OC? Awesome?

Yeah, pure it's pure Did you know the OC for me, this is just for me. The OC, the women and the behavior is so foreign, and I say this with all due respect, it's almost like going to some sort of exotic zoo and watching, like, exotic rare animals behave. Like, I can understand how an elephant, gorilla, zoo and watching exotic, rare animals behave. Like, I can understand how an elephant, gorilla, crocodiles,

you know, all the regular cast of characters. But if you go to a zoo and there's weird, wild gazelles and beautiful birds, that's what OC is for me. The screaming. They're all endangered species. Protect them all. Protect them all because their level of emotion

and their screeching and their yelling to me, I'm like, this is what the fuck it's all about. Like this is fucking reality TV. We had Vicky zoom in last week. I don't know if you heard, all of Bravo Nation was, and we were in the middle of a scene with Vicky Gundelson, G-rundelson?

Gun-vul-son? Gun-vul-son? Watch yourself. Yeah, don't disrespect the green. I'm not saying that with disrespect. I don't mean to. It was kind of- I apologize, Vicky.

That's the OG of the OC. No, I know. Apologize to Michael, too. Michael, I apologize. Apologize to Vicki again. Vicki, I'm sorry. After all this is like Grumleson, Gumbleson. I mean, what the fuck, man? Grumleson, how dare you? Something like that. Anyway, she's the one I'm talking about.

No, we don't know. And you're going to get it right, Nick. She was very much like, I don't want to be here. I have so many other things I need to be doing, but I guess sure, let's do it. From lunch on the beaches of Mexico. Yeah. You know, it's like anything could happen. But God bless her, she was awesome, she was funny, and then when we said goodbye to Vicky,

she didn't know how to hang up, and so we had a bit of a hot mic moment. Shit. And she started talking some shit about like, I don't know who the fuck Nick is, and she liked that it was great. I love it. And then she, what was so awesome about Vicky

is that we wanted to keep it in, but we like to keep it real, we like to, you know, we don't like to go behind people's backs. So we reached out to her and said, hey, we got this, do we have your permission to keep it in? And she graciously said, She played ball.

Let's fucking go. That's awesome, man. Not only that, she doubled down and then she took some of the audio and made her own reel of being like, I have 400 meetings while she's ordering a Corona on a lounge chair on a beach. I love it.

No, it was awesome. So I think that she exemplifies what the OC is all about and I say free Vicki Gunvalson and make her back full time. Oh my God, if that was an audition. Audition, Jesus. It was awesome. So would you, were you team Alexis or team Shannon? What are we thinking about here?

I'm going with Shannon. I'm going with the OC. I mean the OG is like, you know. But it seemed like there was a party that almost would like, you have. You have a love for Alexis? A defense for Alexis. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was kind of just like taking in like almost like,

why has she asked me this question? Oh, of course. It was like that. Is there another answer? Yeah, like, I mean. John Jay and Alexis were at that party too. Yeah. Last night?

Yeah, it was star-studded. Johnny Jay was there? Johnny Jay was there. Yeah, I walked right past him and I wanted to say something to him, but we've talked some shit, so I just didn't want to agree to see him. Can I ask you a question?

And this is a hot topic. I have been, and I mean, you talk about rare birds. I have been critical at times of Kathy Hilton, because I have felt like- Maybe that's why you weren't invited. Say it again? Maybe that's why you weren't invited. No, no, no. I have had an olive branch reach out.

They were like, you're misinterpreting it. Okay. I think that if they had known that I was in LA, I could have, I'm not saying that- No, you would have been there. If I would have known you would have wanted to go, I would have been like, please come with us. I'll be your plus one.

And I would have been like, yeah. We had a plus one. We had an unused, damn, invite. However, this season, Kathy Hilton has been with the hat and the driving with the invitation, back to what we love. But she got mommy dearest-ish, you know, with Kyle, oh, Kyle, Kyle, and you know, with Rinna, and you know, like, and I was like, you know,

all this like hunky dory shit wasn't there. And I articulated that and people were like, how and you know with Rinna and you know like and I was like you know all this like hunky Dory shit wasn't there and I articulated that and people were like how dare you I was like what do you mean how dare you this woman's fucking scary at times she can be scary now listen we're we're all um you know there's a cake and you know someday you get the happy mic and someday you get the hopped up on coffee mic and there's another guy you know like when I'm that's you know, someday you get the happy mic, and someday you get the hopped up on coffee mic. And there's another guy, you know, like when I'm, that's, you know, so there's different temperatures to everybody, including Kathy Hilton. We can't, you know, say she's not, you know, all things.

And when I articulated that she had a mommy, I don't know if she didn't, but people in her camp, and also social media, which is, of course, more important than anything, they were like, how dare you, and ba ba ba ba ba, and I'm like, which is of course more important than anything. They were like, how dare you? And ba ba ba ba ba. And I'm like, I'm just calling it as I see it. Like this woman's fucking frightening

when she's big dogging Kyle and she was having meetings with Rinna and all that shit. I was like, what's happening here? She's doing it for fun. And that's what makes it so great. Like I don't, she doesn't need the money. She's doing it for fun. I get that.

And when she's fun, it's extraordinary. I'm saying when she can be a little- Stern. No, I agree with you. There's like scenes- She's intimidating. When she first came on where it was like her and Kyle and it was like, are you the mother? Like she seems genuinely frightened of you.

What happened here? Yeah, now we got the rebrand of like happy go lucky, which I'm here for. With the hats and the coffee. But no serious moments. I wanna know what Cathy was like in high school. What do you think she was like in high school? Shit man, a motherfucker.

I think she was probably a motherfucker. I think she's a, you know, a motherfucker. What were you like in high school? A motherfucker. A motherfucker. Yeah, so it takes one to know one. Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah, beyond. The motherfucker. Yeah, I was one of, know one. Hell, yeah. I'm not gonna, yeah. Yeah, beyond.

The motherfucker. Yeah, I was one of, yeah, I was the motherfucker. And that was just high school. You know what I mean? You could start, you could ask me, like, what were you like in kindergarten? I'd be like, motherfucker. Where do you land under Dorit and PK? I never like to see relationships fail because I adore them so much.

All the Howeswives. That's why when you were so critical, openly critical a few minutes ago about Jax, I came to his defense, you know what I mean? Because I'm like... I've been hard on Jax. He will and always will be the number one guy. He might not have ended as the number one guy.

I think he's soft and let me tell you why. I think he's soft, soft Howe. He's emotionally weak. I'm not arguing with you that, that's why we loved him. He's excellent television. I like that you're criticizing him. See, my wife is more hard-bodied than I am. She's like, you love them.

I'm like, yeah, I love them. You love them as TV. You love them as watching them on TV, or you would let Jax date your sister. Hell no Hell no, I think Jax is objectively kind of like dangerous to society like Luigi dangerous to society No, no, I think there's there's levels Jesus Christ, man. I think Jax has ruined people's lives Who's whose life did he ruin when he remember when gaslit Stassi and his entire Fenn group

and when he had sex with the stripper and then he made Stassi in that moment feel like all her friends were alienating her and everyone was turned against her and everyone knew and he was, that's some fucked up shit back then. Or whenever he walked in on Kristen and Brittany and- I'm not defending this behavior in any way, shape or form.

Although, I will say as, I don't know how old they were, late 20s, he was 33. 33, late 20s, 25, 33. You know, Vicky Gumbelson, Vicky Grumbelson, you know what I mean? I'm just saying, I get all that. I don't see, the thing is for me about all of them, the men, the guys, the girls,

I look at it more like TV characters. Yeah. So that's why I like, I'm like, and I root for all of them. So when you say about PK and Dorit, I'm like, I want them to do well. I want them, if they're not gonna be together, I don't, you know, I want them to divorce as well as possible under these circumstances.

I think that he's done, based on what we've seen so far this year, like he is fucking done. She was ride or die with him for all these years, and now you've got some perspective, maybe you're sobered up and you're like, fuck you, Dereet. I'm like, no, this is not the person you say fuck you to, because she was with you when you were probably not at your best.

Yeah, just like managing Boy George. when you were probably not at your best. Yeah. Just like managing board boy George and yeah. And probably a motherfucker. You know what I mean? What? So, so now you're sobered up and you're like, you're, you're PK from the show. And you know, single PK, yeah, single PK. Yeah. Yeah.

And you're out and about, you got, you got a couple of new jackets and some suits. It's like, you know, you're still pushing 5'8", and you know, it's like, chill out, man, because you know, you have a family with this woman. It's like, you don't get that again. You don't get that first family with your kids. You don't get that again, so calm down. Well, you know, you didn't watch last night's

Beverly Hills yet, but there is a scene, you know, and Kyle is talking about divorce, and she's talking about like getting older, and she's talking about like, you know, and Kyle is talking about divorce and she's talking about like getting older and she's talking about like, you know, something now that I'm a dad, you think about, like you assume you won't die alone. You assume that like your years as you get older and like, I think a lot of people do die alone,

not around the people they spent. And it was a really vulnerable moment hearing Kyle talk about that, like, you know, now that her and Mo are getting divorced, and the kids are moving on, like, that, a legitimate fear people have, and like, to your point, like, PK better be careful what he wishes for,

like, protect that family, because. I agree. Man. This is your wife? Yes. Okay, yeah, I mean, I went through, you know, not to go too in my shit, but like, you know, divorce with kids is a thing, you know, it's, and if you've made it this far, like, you know, I say like, don't, you know, you, you're PK and like, you maybe getting looked at maybe a little bit more because you're on the show and you know, there's some, but yo, you know, like I, I want people to stay together, especially with kids and all that stuff. So.

Like figure it out, you know. You gotta go 15 hard rounds at least. Put in 15 hard rounds of work. That's what I wish for everybody, especially because all the Housewives, all the reality show people, like I want them to succeed. Like I want them to do well. So like I lean towards the positive

when it comes to all of them because, you know, I kind of of in a weird way you see the end I mean, it's like, oh, you're talking about a reality show. At the best, you start to see yourself in these people. And that's what I think, you know, like the, the heart of the shows is you start to see yourself in these people. And if you see yourself in these people, you want to see them do well, you know, and especially as I'm older older, I'm like, oh fuck, I could see that mistake, I made that mistake. You know, and all that kind of shit. So, that's why I love reality TV,

because the silliness and the arguing, the screaming and all that stuff, that's all awesome. And the Vicky Gunvalson and the screeching and the yelling and all that stuff, and the table flipping and the fighting and the drink throwing. But the emotional thing is the thing that I think makes it,

to me, incredible TV when it's at its best. And I get the silliness and people are like, what are you talking about, the Godfather? No, I'm not talking about the Godfather, but there is that emotional core to these people that I have with them, because you watch them all the time. Do you have that with Britney on Salt Lake City?

You read my mind, baby. With Britney on Salt Lake City? Uh-huh mind, baby. With Britney on Salt Lake City? Uh-huh. Do I have it? Britney, you know Britney? Yes. You know Britney. The new Britney?

The new Britney. I don't have that yet. Really? Did you watch the most recent episode of Salt Lake City where Angie's calling her hair pornish? Yes. And she has slutty vibes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I did.

Sorry to snap your face. Yes, I do. Like, yeah, I thought that was fucked up and I thought it was, you know, and you know what I thought was interesting is like people be like, you're this, you're that, you're that, that, that, that, and then she go, you made her cry and like, oh, I'm sorry.

I'm like, that's not how I act. I need like a day to be like, well, fuck her. Fuck him, and I'm not fucking up. Like, I need to come down. Like they just, like she's crying, like, oh, okay, I'll go fix it On TV and her hair was porno and I'm about mitzvah Shit and Meredith marks bot mitzvah, I love Brittany as it is, you know

I don't think we could necessarily be like the best of friends But I I truly love her on the show. And I think to replace Monica Garcia was a big fucking task. And I think Brawn and Brittany together have really stepped up and delivered in big ways. After- Monica brought the pain. She brought the pain. And when we talked to a lot of the ladies last night,

I will say a little BTS is like, there's not a lot of love for Brittany. To which I said to all these ladies, do not get her kicked off this show. You need her, you want her. She's cover, she's protection. What about me? She's at the table.

In case, if there's a slow scene, she'll stand up, smack the table and say, what about me? Right. And like, just get over whatever petty things you guys have in your real Salt Lake City world But like you want this woman on your television. Did they hear you when you said I think they did Some of them know some of them know Whitney gets it Whitney fucking gets it the other ones I had I had to have a talking to with bra when I have a head of talking to Angie

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Cause she had, it wasn't for the show, she had a dossier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dossier? Do you think Todd's just kinda like, you better have sex with me when we get home. I think it's something like that. No. I don't think Todd's is kinda like, you better have sex with me when we get home. I think it's something like that.

I don't think Todd, I don't know, man. I don't know. Professor Todd. It's honestly an image I don't need. Me neither. Behind closed doors, at least to us, Rowan speaks very lovingly of her husband. She loves her husband.

She is fucking her husband. You meet a lot of married couples in life where their housewives are real people and there's a lot of couples out there who have no problem talking shit about their partner. But do you think it's PR now because in the beginning, like, because she, it's still genuine. She fucks with Todd.

She fucks with Todd. Yeah, because I think honestly at this point- We have some quotes here. This is a good episode. Bravo, like if she didn't fuck with Todd. Yeah, because I think honestly at this point- We have some quotes here. This is a good episode. Bravo, like if she didn't fuck with Todd, then Bravo Nation has basically given her the green light to leave him, and she doesn't have a prenup, so she's good.

That's true, she would have the, yeah. Everyone would support her. She has no incentive to make it work, you know? We'll see, but you see, you were there at 365 degrees, so you saw a different thing than I saw. And respect for seeing that, and respect for giving her a talking to. Season one.

So you think Angie was fucked up for saying the slutty vibes, pornish hair, pornish dress, pornish nails, pornish. Yeah, I think that was, you know. What about Brittany being like, she only said that about me because that's what she's doing in her marriage? I'm not gonna say, I'm just saying like, it hit her hard.

And I think it, so yes, it was both ways. It was both ways. I'm not gonna say, I'm not gonna defend either one. I think if someone told me I had cornice hair. Isn't that called sex shaming or slut shaming? Brittany's slut shaming herself. She is the one being like, I'm seeing three guys. I'm seeing 10 guys.

I have a roster. Like she's saying all of that herself and Angie's just using her words against her. Yeah, do you have a roster? And you know what's crazy is that in Salt Lake City, you get a perspective that the Osmond dude, like that's the top of the mountain. Have you seen his social media?

No. He has been posting like, I, we were never together. We like, she's using me. I'm the reason she has a storyline on the show. Fuck him, I've never heard of him until. Yeah, you're like, what is he, the fourth Osman cousin? He's a glorified fuckboy who never grew up.

I think he's a nephew. Yeah. Isn't he like Donnie's nephew? He's Tom Sandable. Yeah. Fast forward. If you're lucky. Without the religious background.

If you're lucky, you're Tom Sandable. Yeah, you're right. That is disrespectful to Tom. Yeah, come on. Yeah. I'm sorry, Tom. I think if I were in that position and I had just dropped that bomb to two other women about Angie Kay and then she wants to say I have pornish hair, like, is that really

offensive? I got you. You know, because at the end of the day, Britney didn't do her hair. She had a glam squad come over. You know, like the glam squad Brittany didn't do her hair. She had a glam squad come over. You know, like the glam squad gave her the pornish hair. She wasn't born with porn hair. That's true. Fire them.

Talk to them. Exactly. Bring in, bring in. Come here. Be mad at the glam squad. I was just going to ask you, have you guys been to something about her? We have not.

We need to go. Do you have? We had the sandwiches sent here. Is the clock ticking? We heard something about her? Oh, is the clock ticking? I don't know. Is it a real place? It's definitely a real place. It's a real place. I've had the sandwiches sent here. Is the clock ticking? We heard something about her. Oh, is the clock ticking? I don't know. Is it a real place?

It's definitely a real place. I've had their sandwiches. They've been catered here. Nice. They were teasing teas and other extensions. OK. OK. But there is drama with Penny, the third chef.

Yeah, Penny did him dirty. Penny's husband is a lawyer. And I feel like if you understand like the tealease, you got to be careful. Penny knew what to do. She was smart enough to get the copyright or the trademark. And then she basically, I think, is leveraging her husband being proactive to get the trademark against Ariana and

Katie and fucking them over. Down with fucking Chef Penny. So the trademark for the name of the restaurant or? No, something about her. I never loved that. If they go Katy and Ariana's sandwich spot, it'd be better off anyway. Something about her, we know it

because we're in the vernacular and we're in the zeitgeist. But if you wanted to open it up to the real world, there's a better name out there. I don't know if Katy and Ariana's sandwich spot is the best one, but something could do better. I think, yeah, maybe back to the drawing board. But so you think just walking by, you're not a Brava fan at all, and you look over and you see something about her, you're not like, oh, we should go in there.

No. No. You're like, oh, that's a cute, like, salon. Yeah, something about her. I'm like, I want to, like, it's like Jersey Mike Subways. I'm going to fucking want it like it's like a Jersey Mike subways I'm gonna fucking eat the fucking subway Do you think Tom will follow through with this not with being his own lawyer? Or do you think this is a PR stunt and then someone likes make his he's not he's can't do that

Someone will sit him down and say you can't that would be after all the hate He's gonna get after publicly announcing that that's what he did. He's gonna get a lawyer immediately Let me tell you something if my man represents himself in court, you gotta like, yo. Yeah. We gotta go together. If he represents himself and wins. That would be. That would change the entire narrative.

Yo, yeah. Kim Kardashian, you went to school. Dead ass. I'm doing this shit off the internet. I'm Google searching and I won He's watching law. He's watching law and order. He's watching. I will apologize I was just gonna say you you you bite your fucking toe. Well, I will I will I will do a whole episode Saying I'm sorry and then it's Sandoval LLC, you know Yes, Q. He's opened up his own law firm oh my god yes

the commercials he could do what's up the billboards that you wrongfully yeah that would be epic dude I think he would be an ambulance chaser of a lawyer right telling his clients like if you're at Fenderbender like you better get out and be like your neck is hurting. I've been trying to convince- It's better than Schwartz and Sandys. I've been trying to convince Tom to get on OnlyFans. Yeah, why not?

Exactly. I don't care what he does. Is he broke? He's still, he's still, he's still got- He was on TV for 12 years. He's gotta have some money. Yeah, he's gotta be alright. I don't, it's hard to say, but I think there's a world

where they haven't necessarily been fiscally responsible over the years. But there's still so many reality shows that he could go on. Yeah, I mean, he'll get work. Michael, you watched this man buy a $15,000 motorcycle that he drove twice that didn't have a license. How do you think he spends?

And you know what? And let me tell you something. If you were opening a bar, you how do you think he spends? And you know what, and let me tell you something. If you were opening a bar, you should be so happy that your partner would spend $15,000 for that motorcycle just for the shot, okay, and the helmets and all that shit. The bar is closing. What was Katie's name for that bar? Katie should be so lucky.

What was her idea for the name? Oh, what was Katie's name? Katie had a good name. Once Upon a Tom. Once Upon a Tom. Once Upon a Tom. Better name. Better name, yeah. Oh,. Once upon a Tom. Once upon a Tom. Better name.

Better name, yeah. I have a question. The Vanderpump revamp is happening. You're pissed. Very concerned. What do you think it's gonna take for that show to even be good? They're gonna have to really make a list,

check it twice, and really get the microscope out because to cast young 20-somethings now, we are all, and 20-somethings especially, are so con... Like, the real Housewives of New York effect. It's like, they're so conscious and they're so performative. We all are. We've taken so many selfies. We took pictures and video.

And we grew up watching Vanderpump, and they're fans of this and fans of all these shows. So it's gonna be... You're gonna have to get some people with some... The great housewives and the great reality ones are the people with a piece missing. I don't know how we're gonna get that, but you gotta find a piece missing. It's gonna be tough in LA.

Because there's always the aspirations of being an actor, being a singer, being a... Now, I wanna be a punk, I wanna be an influencer. We caught these people at a time when it was still, you can catch them fresh and raw, and they, you know, he wants to be a model, he wants to be an, you know, and they came with the ambitions.

There wasn't the playbook, the influencer playbook. Now they have it, it's tough. Now there's a playbook to, yeah. I mean, you're on social media, like some of these people, I'm like, man, they just, they just, like, there's so many, like, there's a whole agency, like, full of all these people, and it's like a thing, you know, so.

How'd you get your start? I got my start as a stand-up comedian. I started doing stand-up first when I was 19, 1989. I came out to LA, and then soon would get called in for acting auditions, and once I started acting, I was like, this is what I'm gonna do. I got successful relatively quickly and just was fortunate and found something

that I just love and that I respect and that I appreciate doing. And still to this day, I haven't had a bad day at work. I've had some long days at work, I've had some cold days at work, but I haven't had a bad day at work. I've had some long days at work, I've had some cold days at work, but I haven't had a bad day at work. What was the first thing you were casted in? The first thing that I was casted in, this before you guys' time,

there was a show on ABC in 1990 called China Beach, and it was like a post-Vietnam military show, successful show. I had 12 lines on that, and then I got this movie called Zebra Head, which won a Sundance award when Sundance was like, you know, stoke sort of this vibrant, independent movie film festival.

Before Lisa Barlow took over. Ha ha ha! Every time I see them, when they're at, what's the hat store? What's a... Kimo Sabe Kimo Sabe. Yeah, I'm always like, you know, like always think of like, that's for me, Sundance was a big deal for me when I first went there. So it's like I relate that to like my youth and like finding success and like,

you know, I got recognized the first time I got there. You know, it was like a whole like, oh, shit, what the fuck is going on with my life? So I did a movie called Zebrahead and that Oliver Stone produced and that was a, and then it was just, you know, working since, you know. Yeah, you've had an incredible career, man. Thank you. I've been a fan for a long time.

Thank you, Nick. Do you think Lisa Vanderpump is only revamping it so that she can get back on TV? No. Hmm. How do you feel about Lisa? I mean, No. How do you feel about Lisa? I mean, respect. How do I feel about Lisa?

I mean, I think that in what way? You know, like I lean towards the adoration. Do I think she's the greatest housewife of Beverly Hills? No. Do I think she's an iconic housewife? Yes. I just more like on Vanderm, I guess it's more thinking reboot.

I don't want to see Lisa fake firing people again. I don't want the whole lectures of like, I'm gonna sit you down and pretend to give a shit about your mental health or your wellbeing. I agree. It's just like. Let me ask you a question, Nick, cause you seem to be a sharp dresser.

What about mine? Say it again. What am I? No, no, no, you're gonna like this. Stay there. Okay, okay. Nick, are you jealous of Ken's shirts and all that stuff? Would you say it again? What am I? No, no, no. You're gonna like this. Okay, okay, okay. Nick, are you jealous of Ken's shirts and all that stuff? Because I like, is that cashmere?

No, that's not cashmere. Ken would have cashmere. Cashmere. But he's got custom pink, purple. Ken would never wear some artificial rips in a jean. Are you kidding? Ken's an old fashioned gentleman and he dresses like a fucking gentleman hell Yeah, so so what do you let the real question is? What do you think of Ken? I think he's loyal Wow

Man, you're cold-blooded motherfucker man He's loyal why you you don't so you don't like so you think that he should have left Lisa is that what you're saying? I guess if you put it like that I this I think I think it takes a lot I think I think it takes a special man and a strong-willed man and a confident man to play sidekick to a powerful, successful woman that Lisa is and not be unbothered or try to over, you know what I'm saying?

You see a lot of couples where they fight and they compete for success. And it's like, you know, and Ken has kind of comfortably known his place the whole time and maybe behind closed door, the dynamic shifts and it's changed. But publicly, Ken has no problem living in Lisa's shadows. And I respect that.

I respect that too. And also I think that it probably has shifted in their relationship. Because I think at one point, Ken was the man. He seems like he had a run. I don't know what he did. Club owner. That he was the fucking guy. And he's got a run. I don't know what he did. Club owner. That he was the fucking guy.

And he's got a little older and he got confident. And he was like, you know what? I'm rocking this pink shirt. I'm rocking this custom purple shirt that a guy, another man, and I'm not gonna point fingers, might not be able to wear. You don't think I could wear it?

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying some people might. I've worn plenty of purple and plenty of pink. My school, high school colors were purple. I wore them while I'm proud. Okay. Okay. How about that?

You know, Nick was a state champion in track for Wisconsin State. Good for you. What'd you run? 800. Look at this fucking guy, man. Yeah. Look at this fucking guy, Nick, man.

Full of surprises. Shit, man, he got the Americans photo book over there. He won special forces. You won that shit, huh? What'd you win? How much you win? Nothing. They didn't give you a special, see, I wouldn't do it for nothing.

They pay you to go on the show. They pay you all to go on the show, but you quit five minutes in, or you let them torture you for eight days. You don't get a special prize for like jumping off a shit. You get respect, self-respect. Hell yeah. Fuck that, I like that, I like that, Nick, I like that. You don't get a special prize for jumping off a shit. You get respect, self respect. Hell yeah.

Fuck that, I like that, I like that Nick, I like that. So yeah. I was like my wife and my future, I just found out that Nally was pregnant when I went on that show and the whole time I was like someday my kid's gonna watch this and don't be a pussy. Mother fucking A-ride, I like that Nick, I like that.

You did it for the honey, not for the money. I like that. Good for you. Natalie saw the preview of season one. She goes, you need to go on the show. And immediately I thought to myself, my wife wants me to turn her on by going on the show. Why don't you go on, Natalie? You know what? Why don't you shut the fuck up? Shut up.

Why don't you jump off one of those, walk across one of those things in the cold water and go in the water and all that shit? You know who going on next season, though? Denise fucking Richards. And I respect that. She's going on? She went on.

She's on season three. Is it started yet? Not yet, it starts in January. But season one, you do get to see Denise Richards, Bond girl, no stunt double, on a speeding fucking boat, jump from the speeding fucking boat onto a speeding fucking helicopter. I ain't doing that.

Denise Richards did. Good for her. Good for her. What's her husband's name? Erin. Erin. Erin. Erin.

They seem, I love Denise. No, they seem to be doing good. She's a real one. Yeah, yes. Denise Richards, I root for any actor, actresses to kick ass. I don't like for them to be put in boxes or, you know, I root for everybody in my industry. Michael, this has been so much fun, man.

So much fun. Do you think you'd ever come back or no? On this show? Yeah. Definitely. Whenever you're in town, we would love to have you. Definitely, this was a real pleasure. And, you know, this was awesome.

Pleasure is all ours, man. Thank you, this was dope. Well, thank you. What's the name? Yeah, plug, you. What's the name of your podcast? I am RapPort's Dario Pockets, and the podcast for my life is Rapaport's Reality. Which maybe you come on with. We'd love to.

Because the reason why we started the podcast is because on my podcast, it's a lot of shit talking, a lot of sports, a lot of pop culture, but I've had to, and I've had the pockets for 10 years, I have to curb my enthusiasm for my housewife shit. So when I- We can talk sports too. I can go all day.

I argued with Keishon Johnson yesterday for an hour. On his podcast? On his podcast. I'm down for that too, but I had to, so me and my wife were like, let's do it. So we could just go deep. Yeah. And I'll say this, one of the best episodes and moments was Vanderpump Rules, the revamping, recasting

was announced right before we started and I saw it on my phone and I said, babe, don't open your phone. She said, well, I said, just don't open your phone. And I told her live. I mean, she almost fucking started crying. That's right. I see, that's the authenticity we need to do here.

I love her. We need to, yeah. She was crying out of sadness or joy? Yeah, I mean, we were both like, you know, like, in Mourn, like, she was like, no, and I was like, you fucking said this is the end. I said, you should have never put it out there. You should have been saying this is the end.

You blamed her. I thought they were gonna do it. No, I was just like, you know, you, this is what happens. Cause she was like, it's over. And I was like, it's not over. And I said, now you see, now you, you know. I mean, that montage they put at the end of the last episode. Brutal. I'm like, I'm like, I was just like, you know, this is what happens. Cause she was like, it's over. And I was like, it's not over. I said, now you see, now you, you know. I mean, that montage they put at the end of the last episode. I'm like, I thought it was over too.

Crying. These are the best. And then you're like, they're looking around, they don't know where the camera is. They're like little puppies with, you know, deer in a headlight. They don't know. Yeah.

Oh, one more story. So we saw James and Allie there. James crushing his DJ career. At Cathy his DJ career at Kathy Hilton's. Kathy Hilton's said hi. Love, James. Love, Ali. Me too. I fuck with James. I fuck with Ali. Took a picture. I hope James is OK with me saying this. James brought a friend. We met his friend. His friends seemed lovely.

We now we're talking to some people like 15 minutes later. I'm the only one who saw this. Now he didn't even see this. Now he was immersed in a conversation with the other person we were talking to. And then James walks by and then James turns around and he says to his friend, I forgot his friend's name. Let's just say his friend's name is Sam. And he goes, Sam, hold this now.

And I was like, and his friend just grabbed the drink and James kept walking. And I was like, that is, that was insane. But you know what? That's the sober James Kennedy we all wanna see. We want him to be, we don't want him to be drunk today, we wanna be like, you wanna do that,

that's who you are, motherfucker. I was like, 10 minutes earlier, I met this guy who he introduced as his best friend, and then 10 minutes later, he was barking orders. He's DJ James Kennedy, man, he's just hands free. He's Leon Carnival DJ James Kennedy many needs hands free on Carnival DJ James Now he's gotta go do something. Yeah. Yeah, he was that's awesome. It was awesome. Yeah. Hell yeah I really felt like I saw something. Yes. Yeah, so something you shouldn't have so but you were happy

Yeah, yeah, and I was the only one who saw it and everyone else was just like in their own own lane I know fuck with DJ James Kennedy. That's he's that dude He I said to him last night out of all maybe all the Ariana he ended on the highest of notes. 100%. He peaked at the right time. Yep. And he's doing good. And I wished them all all well. It's good to see you Mike. Appreciate it my man. Up next, Fortune Feimster. Symbiotika is a company that provides you with clean, easy to take supplements that will keep you healthy and ready to take on the day. They are familiar with the highest quality ingredients out there. Symbiotica is transparent about how and where they source ingredients to ensure you get the best products possible. Isn't it crazy that you know there are so many

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I know, I don't look it. Neither do you. I watch OC. I watch New York, I watch... The new one? Yeah, the new one. Okay, I'm gonna ask you about that. I've watched the last couple seasons of Southern Charm, but not the early on seasons of Southern Charm.

What else? Beverly Hills, Housewives. Salt Lake City? Yes, but I'm not... I have not watched this season yet. This season? I've watched it. What else? Beverly Hills, Housewives. Salt Lake City? Yes, but I'm not, I have not watched this season yet. I've been crazy promoting. Fair.

So, is it good? Yeah. It's so good. I know, I'm excited. I know, I always, I ran into Heather Gay when I was in Salt Lake last time and they were about to film a scene and I was like, this is such a trip.

And what happened? Can we start there? Yeah, whatever. Oh, it's like, this is it. We are recording and you said I ran into Heather Gay in Salt Lake City and I was like, this is the content we. I had met Heather Gay, shout out, loved the last name. Yeah, representation.

We had met before, or I don't know if we had met in person, but at least we're Instagram friends. And then I was doing a show in Salt Lake, and I was like, I'm just gonna grab a coffee before I take off for the airport. And I'm waiting for my coffee and these cameras come in, and I'm like, what is happening? And all of a sudden it's Heather Gay

about to film a scene with, I don't even know who she was filming with, but she was all done up and I was like, Heather, and we started chatting and. I wonder if it was Brawn. Possibly. If I saw the scene, I would know what it was. She was.

Sharp or not. It was a very distinct outfit that I can't recall. But if I wanna say... Very distinct outfit. The lady you didn't know. Mary? No, I didn't see who she was filming with. So it could have been one of the cast members that I know,

but she was all done up to have a coffee date and like, you know. And hash it out. As housewives do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk about how she felt disrespected or... Yeah. to have a coffee date and like, you know. And hash it out. As housewives do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk about how she felt disrespected or. Yeah, it was just funny to see it in the wild, you know.

Cause she was supposed to come to my, it's so, what was funny about it is that she was supposed to come to my show the night before and she didn't make it cause she got, and when I saw her, she goes, I'm gonna see you tonight At your show and I was like show And she was like no, do you recognize any of these outfits? Um, it was I want to say was like an adidas outfit So maybe it hasn't aired yet What is this website there's a website with all the outfits

Yeah, it was like an Adidas like... And then like if you click on it, they get paid or something? You can buy it. Really? Man. Is Meredith's little like tight, like little like short, you know, when she had the like knee socks, when she was like slaying in those knee socks,

is that on there? Slay. I don't know, but they all have fun outfits on. Should we create a website of all of our outfits on? Why not? Get those cowboy boots up there. We're the same thing every day. Good will sweatshirt.

No one's gonna wanna buy my shackets. How have you been, Fortune? How have I been? Good, busy. You're a crush on life. Thank you. I have been working nonstop for the last three years. Just like no days off, but all good stuff.

But your love, do you love your- I love what I do. You love what you do. I did two tours back to back in the last three years. They each were a year and a half and they each were a hundred cities and 150 shows. Oh my God. And then I filmed two seasons of FUBAR in there as well. Is that the one with Arnold?

That's the one with Arnold, yeah. And so I have not stopped, and then my special just came out, so I'll celebrate that, and I'm actually gonna take like a month off. Hell yeah. That doesn't actually involve no work. But when you're on tour, are you, oh, is it always like, is well, other than like

making money and touring, but are you, are you always working on like a special practicing material and trying to build up like an hour's worth or hours plus with the material? Yeah. So kind of how it goes now is you do this tour. Usually it's anywhere people run it from a year to two years. Some do three years. Mine has kind of landed in that year and a half mark.

And then the way it's worked out special wise, I put out one every two years since 2020. Yeah. This is my third hour since January 2020. So you run this material and you just build it and make it better. And then at the end of it, you film it. And that's the special. So it was funny because someone DMed me and she was like, I was expecting new material. I saw this on the road. I'm like, yeah, that's how it works.

You perfect it. Not everyone can come to a live show. So you put it on Netflix for everybody. And then that's it. Do you get a lot of those? Not many, but I did write her back. Cause I was like, oh, I do want to tell her how this works. I wrote her back and said, you probably don't know this,

but this is how it works. Because with music, they put the album out then tour, right? Yeah. I think so, yeah. Because you want to be able to sing along to the song. Exactly, yeah. Whereas with stand up, you want to kind of be surprised and not know what's coming.

But I find that the people that came to the live show Yeah, you want to kind of be surprised and not know what's coming. Yeah. But I, but I find that the people that came to the live show really enjoy watching the special because they get to see how everything evolved and what you took out, what you put in, what you changed, it's cause it's always a work in progress. How do you think your comedy has changed over the years? Um, I hope it's gotten better. I think it's gotten better. I think it's gotten better. I think I've evolved into storytelling, telling longer stories and being comfortable in that.

And I think I work really hard to tell a narrative, like a beginning, middle, and end, and bring it all full circle, callbacks. That stuff takes a long time. And I'm really proud of being able to figure that out. And I don't know, with this special, I try to elevate. I took a lot more time to think about what I was going to wear. So I had this big, bright, colorful suit that I had made.

I wanted a shiny, fun, colorful background. And I think it made it really pop and just sort of showed, I'm like the more adult version of myself, I guess. Yeah. All right. And every special like tells where I'm at in life. Like, Sweet and Salty was sweet and salty. It was fun.

That one was me coming, figuring out who I was coming out. This kind of awkward childhood stories. Good fortune was me meeting my wife, getting married, sort of dipping my toe in adulthood. And this was crushing it. Started with my honeymoon and my mom, my parents getting older, being married, all that stuff. And we call it taking care of biscuits because-

That's the new tour. That's the new tour. Yeah. Can we talk about taking care of biscuits, because that's the new tour. That's the new tour. Yeah. Can we talk about our love for biscuits? Do you guys love biscuits? I love biscuits. Really? Biscuits and gravy.

Yes. I love biscuits with breakfast, really. I'm not more of a dinner biscuit guy. I'm not a dinner biscuit gal myself. I'm a breakfast biscuit. But if you give me a breakfast biscuit. They're tasty. I'll take a biscuit in any way, shape or form. They're really good.

I had to explain to the European watchers what, because they call cookies biscuits. They call them cookies? They call the cookies our biscuits to them. Cookies, like a chocolate chip cookie? So, well, they don't have our version of biscuits. That's why they're like that. The closest thing they have is a scone,

but that's like a dense sweet thing. Yeah. Why do we have scones? I think that's an English thing. That's what they have. Ours is biscuits. I just said, it's like your biscuits, but eight more sticks of butter.

Yeah. Scones are from Scotland. Oh, there we go. We're all learning today. My introduction to Scones is just watching Curb Your Enthusiasm. Oh, yes, yes, yes. That's all I really know about Scones. An afternoon tea situation.

I never really heard of them until I watched Curb. That's how they feel when they hear about biscuits. I thought your comedy special was hysterical. Oh, thank you. And apparently everybody else agrees with me because congratulations on top 10. Thank you. It's been in the top 10 for the last six days.

I can't believe it. You're crushing it. It's been number six. Thanks. It's a fun title because then people do say, hey, you're crushing it. I haven't had fun with that. Yeah, I mean, it's so hard to break it to the top 10

on Netflix and they put the stand up with the TV shows that have like eight episodes. I got my one thing so you're kinda banking on people watching that one thing and it's really cool. What'd you do for Thanksgiving? I went to Michigan. My wife, her family's from Michigan and we went and did like a big family thing there.

You guys are there every Thanksgiving? We have been the last couple, just because her family's really good at hosting. She's from Chicago? I met her, she was living there, she's from Michigan but lived there for 12 years. And I visited my family right before, so I get credit for having been home near Thanksgiving.

What about Christmas? What do you guys do for Christmas? We are not doing anything and I'm so pumped about it. You two are just staying home. We're staying home. We're going to be bums and sweatpants making cookies. I just ordered a tree. I'm a little behind. A four and a half foot pink tree on brand with my pink suit. Okay. It's only four and a half, just a little guy. I wanted, I almost did the six footer

and then I was like, do I really wanna like put on more lights and then you have to like do all the branches then. The fluffing. You have to fluff it. The fluff is miserable work. Nick. I hate the fluff.

It seems like it would be, but I'm tired. It's a two minute job. No, it's not. It's not a two minute job. It's a two minute job to you. Everyone in the reviews, cause I read the reviews, said it was like a two hour job. Well, maybe I'm not fluffing appropriately.

I don't think you're fluffing enough. This year, Nali did decorate the tree after I fluffed. I fluffed. I fluffed. You fluffed, okay. For two years though, we just put up the tree and it came with lights like this. And they were like, yeah, that's fine. And no fluff?

No, well, I fluffed, but no ornaments. Just came with the lights, we put it up and we had- It's festive enough, you don't necessarily need ornaments. Well, we did fluff these. Yeah, these are fluff. But I'm saying our Christmas tree at home. Right. No one, like this, we actually decorated it,

but we did fluff. I think in every couple you need the one person who's like the decorator, the planner, the like, I love a holiday. Birthday. Yeah. And neither my wife and I are those people. Really? So we're terrible at like,

we never know what to buy anyone for a gift. So we're like, just give them a gift card. I don't know. Or here's a bottle of wine. We're not those, there's some friends you have that are just like so thoughtful. They're like, I remember that you liked this thing that you mentioned six years ago.

And you're like, what? Or they'll have like something made for you. Like we're not those people. I hate those people. I mean, I love those people, but it's like, what am I supposed to do? My brother-in-law made me bookends with World War II grenades attached to it.

Whoa, did they still work? I hope not. Are you a history buff? I do like a bit of history. Okay. Yeah. And obviously that's a gift from my heart. He whittled wood for me. Wow.

That is a thoughtful gift. I haven't whittled a thing for a long time. So then I had to buy him a grill. See, I would want the grill. Yeah, the grill, yeah. I'm the more practical person. The grill sounds great. This is right before Thanksgiving.

And then now we go there and she's like, Jackson, you're gonna die when you see Nick's gift. Yeah. I had yet to get him a gift. Oh my God, that's hilarious. And I- She's just throwing you under the bus. Oh my God, yeah.

And then I was like, I'll just get the guy like a Home Depot gift card. Yeah, yeah. Get what you want. I'll get what you want. Get more wood. And I'll throw- To whittle.

Yeah. And I'll put some money what you want. Get what you want. Get more wood. And I'll throw. To whittle. And I'll put some money behind it, not just like, you can buy a lot of wood with whatever amount. But then she said the gift would arrive. I mean, maybe it arrived with you. It could arrive via a card. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. She really made it seem like he was gonna deliver. And then he, after Thanksgiving, he texts now, he was like, just checking in, when's it gonna show up? You know? Oh wow, I've not checked in on a gift. Yeah. He really wanted that gift.

So then I, yeah, I got him a girl. If nothing comes, I just assume the person, like it got lost in the mail, or they lied. Or they lied. My favorite thing to do is like, I ordered it and I haven't ordered it yet. Like on the day we're supposed to be like, it's in the mail.

And then it'll come in like three months. The only problem is Amazon, just like next day is everything now. Now everyone knows you're lying. That's why you say you got it on eBay. That's what I've been doing. I'm just concerned about next birthday. Now he did take, my birthday was in September.

I didn't receive the gift until November. Okay. Yikes. Then whittling's not done in a day. Yeah, it does take a while. But he started whittling late. This is running a little late. Is that what he said?

You know, it really felt like it was from the heart. It does feel very personal and thoughtful. Brother to brother. Yeah. You have a lot of siblings, don't you? I have 10. So I was like, oh my God, another gift. Oh my God.

How do you even keep up with that? Do you get every sibling a gift? No. Okay. You stay out of the group chats. Yes. Mute. Mute. I'm, when it comes to, I'm a bad brother.

Yeah. In group chat. I don't love a group chat situation myself. Especially when you're out of town. Yeah. And a lot of the conversations about what myself. Especially when you're out of town. Yeah. And a lot of the conversations about what's going on in town. Mm-hmm, you don't need to be a part of that.

Then my family has group chats for the siblings and then some of the siblings. There's at least six or seven different family group chats. Yeah, does your family do a thing where y'all just draw a number and you have to. Yeah, we do a name out of a hat. That makes more sense. But then they make it a whole thing. And then it's anything but then they make a whole thing and then it's a secret

They call it a secret Santa and I'm like, why are we keeping this a secret? I don't understand Yeah, and then there's a whole debate every season about like who's like boyfriend or girlfriends or partners. That's the whole drama Yeah, we just started doing a white elephant cuz all my siblings got married and I'm like I don't know what to get like my brother-in-law that I see once a year. Yeah, and then it was just like, you know, then as someone who gets like a new boyfriend or girlfriend, you don't want to feel like their relationship isn't as important as the ones that are real.

But it's not. It's really not. It's not. You're probably gonna break up, and then somehow you're getting a gift from, you know, Eric. A freaking Eric. Yeah, and then there's like the price limit. Who is this person I have to give to?

I have to spend $50 for Eric, yeah. It doesn't seem right or just. I've had to do that, yeah. Freaking Eric. Yeah, then there's like Dollars for Eric yeah, it doesn't seem right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've gotten Christmas gifts for people who I literally can't remember their names Wow, I'm glad y'all figured it out. That's yeah, I barely can keep up with two brothers So I can't imagine all that you know you survive, but you're doing it You're just like pick and choose the ones to talk to, right? Or I don't know. I mean, I absolutely love them all. OK, that's good. But I wouldn't have dinner with most of them.

Alone. Is that bad to say? No. Depends on which one's listening to this. How many siblings would you have dinner with? I like the ones that listen to this podcast. Would you have dinner with all your siblings? Oh, there's only two, so that, yeah. I would have dinner with them.

One-on-one, like a whole conversation? Yeah. Okay. But we don't have that often. It is actually very rare to have that. Because when I'm home, it's only a couple times a year. So then the wife, the kids, the parents, everybody's usually involved. Just like a one and done.

Everybody comes. Exactly. Have dinner with me. Just like a one and done. Everybody comes. Exactly. Have dinner with me. One big thing. And leave. I have started trying to have a one-on-one coffee date with my dad. Because I spend a lot of one-on-one time with my mom,

but with my dad, I have to like, I can pick him up and we go, and he doesn't drink coffee, so he gets a hot chocolate. And we have a little daddy daughter date. So cute. What do we talk about on Daddy Daughter Date? I mean, that's the thing. There's not much to talk about,

because you don't dig too deep, or at least I don't with my dad. So it's all pretty surfacey. You're not asking him about his childhood trauma? No. No, but I think it's just the thought, the fact that we did it, he's like pumped about, and I like it too, yeah.

But yeah, not digging too deep. Have you become like best friends with Arnold? Or are we just like working colleagues at this point? I mean, we're definitely friends for sure, yeah. I was just at his house Saturday night. Really? Yeah. Just hanging out?

He had a holiday party. So that was pretty cool, yeah. He always has this big charity event in October. We were at his house as well. Was it like an intimate gathering holiday? So that was pretty cool. Yeah. He always has this big charity event in October. We were at his house as well. Was it like an intimate gathering holiday? I was invited to one two years ago. That was only like 30 people that I couldn't go to.

But this one was like 140 people or something. Still pretty intimate. Yeah. 30s. I did go to Munich with him for Oktoberfest a couple months ago. So that was pretty cool. He was going anyway. Let me be clear.

He always goes and me and a couple of cast members kind of invited ourselves. Nice. What's German Oktoberfest like? It's fun. It's like everyone's in a Liederhosen and drinking a ton. And he, of course, in Europe is like so famous. He can't walk, you know, five feet without 100 people descending upon him. So that was a trip.

And yeah, he took a shopping for the Liederhosen and, you know, everyone's like, oh, no, no, no, no. And he's just like, we have to get a Liederhosen. Come on, let's go. And yeah, let's go. Yeah. It's so, it was such a wild experience, but I was like, I have to experience Oktoberfest with him because he, that's, he's the guy, the whole tent. So the tent's like 10,000 people and they're all seeing it.

They have a song they sing. Uh, that's like, Arnold goes to Hollywood, Arnold goes to Hollywood. And he goes up there and he directs the van and yeah. It's like another land. Does he get a little sauce? No, he's not a big drinker. Not a big drinker? So yeah, it worked out because we finished the season

of Fubar in Prague. So we went from Prague to Munich. Is there going to be a season? Well, season two will air sometime in the spring, maybe. We don't have a date yet. And then they see how it does. And then we decide if we did get another season, I imagine that would be it. Everyone kind of envisioned it as a three season show.

So we'll see. That's pretty great. But it was fun. I never thought in a million years I'd be in an action series. Shooting guns and running from explosions. I mean, that was not on my bingo card. No, like, did you ever shoot anything before that? A handful of times, but not really.

It's not something that, I mean, my co-star had to tell me how to hold the gun properly. I did not know anything. You were lefty or righty? Righty. Okay. Yeah. And now? I'm like, how does that work?

Do you feel stronger now? Yes, a little bit, but if in a real life situation, we'd all be in trouble. Yeah. But I did have to keep myself from going pew, pew, pew. Yeah. Because you do naturally wanna do that. Have your machine gun voice.

Yeah, so I would shoot and I would go, and I was like pew, pew, pew. Because you do naturally want to do that. Have your machine gun voice. Yeah. So I would shoot and I would go, and I was like, pew, pew, pew. And they were like, don't make that sound. Laura Dern did that in a Star Wars movie. Really? Yeah, you could see her like in her like great like little wig and whichever one she was in. And you see her going pew.

That is hilarious. Yes, you see it. If you look at it. It just comes naturally because you're used to just faking it. Right. Where did the pew pew pew become the gun? Star Wars. Star Wars.

Because they go pew pew pew pew. Oh, that's where it came from. Yeah. I didn't know that either. I didn't. Yeah. My machine gun voice is more like... I could be lying.

Excuse me. Because fake guns back then used to be pow pow. Yeah. And then Star Wars came with pew pew pew. Laser guns. Laser guns. Yeah. It was because they wanted them to be non-violent sounding so kids could watch it. Yeah. And then Star Wars came and pew pew pew. Laser guns. Laser guns. Was cause they wanted them to be like non-violent sounding

so kids could watch it. Oh. Yeah. But again, I could just be lying. I don't know. You're just making things up. You know when people tell you things when you're like 10 and you just believe them?

Yeah. It could be one of those. We have not fact checked that. Nope. Have you picked up any new hobbies lately? Any? Oh gosh. I have been...

Anything crazy other than obviously going to... Right, no hobbies other than I've been... So I do a podcast called Handsome with Tig Notaro and May Martin and Tig's like a big health nut and Tig got me into treading water, which I don't think, I don't know if that's a hobby. Like in the pool. Like in the pool, yeah.

Because I was complaining about working out and my hip was hurting. So this is like low impact. Low impact, but still burns a lot of calories. She's like going, and I have a pool, she's like go in your pool. She goes, I do it for like an hour. I'm like, an hour?

That's crazy, but now I'm doing it like 50 minutes. Nice. I'm working up to that hour. Yeah but now I'm doing it like 50 minutes Treading water is like hard like it's exhausting Yeah, it's a whole body workout and something and if I get I'll turn on a part cuz I'll turn on a podcast and put On the side my phone on the side and I'll just listen to the podcast and I I'll like tread water for a while And then I'll swim so it feels like I'm getting more impact. And then I feel great. So that's been my newest endeavor. What temperature is the pool?

Well, I'm sure it's expensive. I have been heating it. And you've been treading in bath water? Yes. My wife got in it one day. She's like, this is like a hot tub. So I came down a few degrees. But I- So we're not cold plunging yet. We do have solar panels, so I think that helps.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. You're heated by the sun. Yeah, and all of that's connected to the solar panel. So I think it's not, no one's told me to calm down. I think it's actually better for the planet for you to be doing that. See, thank you.

I appreciate that support. Otherwise, you're not really utilizing the panels. Yeah, and then you're just absorbing the sun for what to be doing that. See, thank you. I appreciate that support. Otherwise, you're not really utilizing the panels. Yeah, and then you're just absorbing the sun for what? Yeah. Yeah. But other than that, I need, I do, we have reached a point in our lives where we're like, it can't all be about work. We need to like start doing things with friends again.

Cause we, I think the pandemic kind of isolated everybody and we're coming out of that and we're doing things, but it's different. I feel like we had more routines with people before that we kind of lost. Yeah, I think the pandemic gave us a comfort of like, let's say 8.45. Yeah, just be home.

Just go to bed. Yeah. Honestly, what's the point? The pandemic made it more comfortable to say no after the fact and then we got like so used to being like, no, no, no, no, no. And then now it's like, maybe I could have, I would want to go to that.

Yeah, there was like in the pre-pandemic, it was like, it's only nine. Like, what, we can make use of the rest of the night. Now it's like, why am I up? It kind of killed late night. Absolutely. Like when I go around the, like even New York,

things are closing way earlier than they used to. And I was like, this is New York. Like Sunset Boulevard on a weekend, Ghost Town. And it used to be thriving. And now I have, like, if I had a show, I'm like, I would rather add a 4.30 show than a 10 p.m. show. Interesting.

It's like where people are at now. Does that like better last at the 4.30? More people come. Interesting. They don't want the 10. They don't want the 10 in front of them. Like change the energy of like the show and like the type of stuff you do.

It's weird if it's still light outside. If it's still sunny, you're like, this feels like we, it's too early. But if the time, if you're in the time where it's like dark at 445, then you're like, this is good, but. The two drink special stands. That's right, yeah.

Yeah, they're drunk no matter what. Yeah. But. Yeah. Yeah, they're drunk. No matter what but we're yeah, we're just trying to find 25 for us will be about like Balance and I'll still work a lot But finding more community and hanging out with friends and just trying to like do do things That isn't always just me touring or do it We're filming things you wanna do? I mean, Lord, I gotta ask friends what they do. I gotta find out what's fun.

Yeah. And maybe unhealthy things like hiking. Hiking or games. Game night. Game night. Game nights can get pretty fun. Yeah, people have been saying, we should have a game night and then no one does it.

So we're gonna make it happen. We do that a lot. You do a game night? Well, no. Oh, you just say it? Yeah, we're like, we should do a game night and then no one does it. So we're gonna make it happen. We do that a lot. You do a game night? Well we, no. Oh, you just say it? Yeah, we're like, we should do a game night. Yeah. I was always anti-game night until I had friends that actually did game nights and I was grumpy

and high for most of them at the beginning, but now I've locked in and they're really, really fun and they can get pretty intense. You have to just give yourself over to the game night. Yeah. You can't judge yourself. You just have to be like, we're being goofy. This is what we're all doing now.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll attempt to do this. Ask me in six months how it's going. How was Jeff, you came from Jeff Lewis. I did. I was at his show this morning. Do you have nice things to say about us?

He said to tell you hi. He really likes you. Yeah. And he loves you. He's a little prickly. He does not like to come on many pods. He came on yours, which is unusual. And he called us a big show. Yeah.

Wow. I loved him. Yeah. Yeah, and he always, usually spills some sort of tea, as the kids say. Did he spill tea on here? I mean, he's got everybody in his Rolodex. It was like, shit, my friend.

He said that Dureep locked him. I guess that was that tea. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he was got everybody in his Rolodex. It was like, shit, my friend. He said that Duree blocked him. I guess that was that to you? Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. He was talking about Duree. He said he hadn't seen her at the park with her kids very often recently. That's what I remember. He's fighting with Brynn from New York, right?

He's fighting with Brynn? Yeah, because he said something about her she didn't like, and then she called him a name on Watch What Happens Live and then she called him a name on Watch What Happens Live recently. She called him a pig, she said ladies don't lay with pigs. Oh yeah, that's right. That's a bit aggressive. Well that's kind of what he said.

Yeah, that's what he said. And he didn't say what she accused him of saying, so. Classic Brynn twist, twisting the words. Oh. Are you watching Roni this year? Yeah, I am. I watch, I like a lot of The. I didn't really love the whole joke. It just seems like a bunch of lovely ladies

who I definitely want to be friends with, who seem unproblematic and normal. But it doesn't make for good TV. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, because they're trying to, the whole pregnancy, it was like, I don't know, I don't know what to do with it.

I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. friends with who seem like unproblematic. But it doesn't make for good TV. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, because they're trying to,

the whole pregnancy, it was like a little, it was making stuff up, talking about leaky pigeons, a lot. Yeah, I can see that. I could watch Jenna Lyons boil water and be entertained though. I do like Jenna Lyons. She seems lovely, yeah, but I definitely need more from her. You do just love some of these OGs. You know, we started with the ladies like Ramona and Luanne and Sonya.

It is hard not to, like we love watching them when they do like the ultimate girl trip or whatever. You do kind of want, I get wanting to bring in a new thing, but I don't know. I think they just messed up by like carrying on season 12 or season 13 of Rooney. They should have been like Real Housewives of Manhattan. And then maybe there wouldn't be expectations for them to fill the shoes. Yeah, that could have been a good thing. Like Real Housewives of Brooklyn. Oh my God.

Exactly. Real Housewives of Bushwick. Yeah. Specifically Bushwick. Yeah, you're right. And. Exactly. Real Housewives of Bushwick. Yeah. Specifically Bushwick. Yeah, you're right. And then we wouldn't be comparing the two. Yeah, because you're not giving me what Ramona and Sonia

and the chaos of, like, you're not giving us that. So it's like, this isn't really a continuation. This feels like a 180. Yeah, because I miss, you know, I want Vicky on OC, you know, like, you just want some of these people. We had a run-in with Vicky last week. You had her on? We did.

Yeah. Oh wow, how'd that go? Oh, there was a Hot Mic moment? Classic thing. Did she say something bad? No, I didn't see it. She got off, she talked some shit, but it was all like, fun.

Who was Mick Viles? We got her permission to air. That's nice. I don't like those gotcha moments. No, we're not down for that, but we thought it was funny funny and we asked her permission and she was gracious enough to play along. I like the cheer on the up and up about it.

She also thought it was funny. She made a reel about it where she's like, I've got 400 meetings and it's her ordering a Corona. The version of the story is wild. Really? Yeah. Love her. See, but that's... she gives you what you want. Exactly.

She wants to be an executive producer on OC. She should be. I think she should be too. She should be on the show though. She should. Yeah. I want to say the interview was like 20 minutes and like it was just chaos the entire time and like that's what I want from Housewives.

Exactly. You want her to whoop it up. You can't her about it. It's 20 precious moments of you know exactly how Vicky sees the world. Oh yeah. You know, it's through the lens of Vicky. Why only 20?

She just was in a hurry. She had 400 meetings. She was at lunch with her boyfriend. Lunch on the beaches of Mexico. Oh, hilarious. Like you got parailers going by. Yeah, cause she loves Puerto Vallarta. And it started with you owe me, and I was like, huh?

This is after she like called up my booker. Cause she tried to move it. And I was like, well, we can't move it. Like we have to, we're supposed to put out this episode. You have all these things with the, you had Sandoval coming so late that one time. That was, that was special. Makes me so sad I was not here yet. I was just starting right after that. And that was only after Sandoval called me to do, he asked for a favor.

And I did him the favor. I said, well, then you gotta come on my show. You gotta do it. Yeah, you scratched my back. And I gave him a bunch of heads up, a bunch of calls, and then nothing. Well, dude, you showed up like hours late to his podcast. So, you know. That's true. You seem very time-oriented to me. That did not track for me when he said that.

I am time-oriented. Yeah. It's not that I haven't been late, but I will give you the heads up that I'm running late. Right, yeah. That's funny. Yeah.

He's just, yeah, he's a trip. How do we feel about the reboot? I don't know. I mean that I'm running late. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah, he's just, yeah, he's a trip. How do we feel about the reboot? I don't know, I mean, I've watched these guys, I mean, I came late to the Vanderpump party. I started many seasons in, but I went back and watched from the beginning. That's what I was doing with Southern Charm too.

I started earlier and then went back. I like doing that with my Bravo shows. Yeah. It's very easy to jump back and forth. Yeah, and so I ended up getting really invested in them, so it is weird. Again, I don't know that it should be Vanderpump Rules then, it should be something else.

Well, not to mention, because Lisa has Vanderpump Villa on Google, and that's like, what's the difference? So you're not gonna be getting, it's not gonna be the same show. Yeah, or like abbreviate it, so it's like Sir Rules or Pump Rules versus like Fandir Pump Rules season 13. Yeah.

I would have liked one more season with all of them. I think they should have taken some time because obviously they filmed very soon after the whole scandal and it felt a little too raw. I think if they had done another season, probably Ariana would have come back. And that's all right, just do it, but still do it. You know?

She's doing so many things now. I don't think she had any incentive to do it. Her story had been told. I think there's incentive would have been money. Because I think despite all the things that she's doing, you know, I think Vanderpump pays. Or pays. But I think, you know, it would have been nice to see,

cause Lala's, I don't know if she's, she's kinda on the outs with people. She's showing up on the valley. I would have liked to have seen her try to mend some fences. Katie's like having her moment where she's like, she's like, feels like she's herself, like she's found herself now

and everyone's on board with it. I would've liked to see her shine this season and also, you know, navigate that friendship with Schwartz. I wanted one more season. Yeah. Yeah. I still wanna, I want a Tom and Tom season. Really? I want it to called Washed Up.

Aw. And I want it to be. I don't know if they would want to call that. Whatever. Maybe it's a working title. Closed for business. We could have seen the closing of Schwartz and Sandy's. Yeah.

Oh my God. There's still stories to be told here. Their girlfriends. They're dating. They're out there. Still got it, question mark. James is DJing, let's see that. Yeah.

Did I see something, was it real? I saw something that maybe DJing, let's see that. Yeah. You know? Did I see something, was it real? I saw something that maybe Tom started his own lookalike, cause like lookalike contests are becoming a thing. Oh yeah. Everyone's having a lookalike contest. They all start in Brooklyn. I cannot confirm that.

Timothy Chalamet was the first one, right? They just had an Ethan Slater one. Oh yeah, wasn't it? From Wicked, you know, Ariana Grande's. Yeah, are you holding space? I know that interviewer and she's lovely. You do know her? I do and she's amazing.

It's just really been a moment for her. Yeah, and she's capitalizing on it. She was like in a Mac commercial. Mac commercial, yeah. I was like, go Tracy. But did you see the video where they asked Cynthia. The response to the video where they asked Cynthia? The response to the video?

Yeah. And that was funnier than anything. It was so funny. Talking about the nails, I'm being like, tension. Because neither of them knew what was going on. But both were like, I don't know, it felt big. So I started crying. And then Arianna was like, I just wanted to be there.

And she goes, I don't know why I started tapping. And then Tenshi was like, well, I wasn't sure how to be there. And then I was like, how do you be there? So it was like, how do you be there? It was just like overly done big thing but everyone was playing into it and didn't know why. It is the, it just makes me feel so good as someone who like will have conversations with people

and like be having a completely different conversation with them and I have no idea what they're talking about. It's so free. And somehow you just be there and you get through. And Tracy's such a great interviewer and a kind person. So I could tell what she was trying to say, but it just came out. I'm in queer media. And it just was such a great moment. And I love that Tracy's embracing it and having fun with it.

And they are too, because it ended up really big for her. Yeah. Yeah. So it was very fun to watch. Yeah. Every is this her Adele de Zim? Like it's awesome. And there's even T-shirts with like the nails. Yeah. I. Finger. I want one.

I want one too. Did you watch Wicked? Are you a musical guy? I haven't seen it. Okay. I'm sure I will. I hear it's wonderful. It's really good.

It's amazing. If you like musicals. I'm not a musical guy, but I do have a daughter and I imagine, as I've said to the team, that I'm sure I'll watch Wicked 300 times. At some point in my life. So I'm just waiting for that. I'm waiting for the, can we watch it again?

You're holding space to hold space. Yes. Because when we do watch it, I wanna be there. I really wanna be able to know how to be there. Yeah, you need to take power. Yeah. Yeah. It is long, but that was okay with Yeah, you need to take power. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It is long, but that was okay with that, just because I loved it so much. Yeah. Are you a musical fan? I love musicals. You do love musicals. But my wife does not, so she would not have enjoyed it. And how did she feel about it?

She didn't go. She said, go with your mom. Okay. Go be do. I. Not with me. Yeah. And could musical people enjoy, I mean, because I do love, I respect not with me. Yeah. And could musical people enjoy,

I mean, cause I do love, I respect a good voice. Yeah. But I just. I think anyone who loves musicals probably love the movie. Okay. But if you didn't love musicals, maybe not, I don't know. I don't know, I also feel like it depends. Like if you love like filmmaking, cinematography,

I mean, there's just so many, so many cool elements. Yeah, that go into it. I mean, I like to think of it as appreciative of the arts as the next person, but I don't think I've ever really watched a movie and been like, wow, this is like a really good set. I will say I'm not usually like you. And there were moments in this movie where I went,

holy cow, that shot was incredible. And I'm not usually a person that's like clocking cinematography. And the cinematographer is a female. Alice. Yeah, she. That's incredible.

And there were shots where like, it kind of caught my breath a little bit. I was like, oh my God. And as a result of you like just being more aware of. I didn't even know. How TV and movies are made. I don't even think, I don't, maybe, I don't even think, I don't maybe, I don't know, but there were shots like, I don't know what they did,

but there was like slow-mo at times and the stuff behind them was like so incredible. It really caught my eye in a way that most movies don't. The shots were seamless, there's just so much going on, choreography, like. The clock, the whole clock. And when they went into the Oz Dust ballroom and it was underwater, I levitated. The opening scenes of this field of poppies and...

They built out that entire set too, so it's like one of those things that when you know those facts, you're like looking at things and being like, wow, that's incredible. It was a movie that made movies feel magical again, which hasn't happened in a while, for me at least. I'm not a big, I haven't watched a lot of like Avengers, maybe that's what guys feel, but I guess this is like, yeah. It's like end game, it's end game for games, yeah. Or anyone who likes music.

There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry I didn't mean to. Don't wanna exclude the idea. Inquisitivity. All you straighties out there. All the straighties, come on. I'm straight. I spent my whole day yesterday watching the bootleg version of somebody filming the original cast. I did watch the bootleg, the original bootleg. It is on YouTube. I'm obsessed. Yeah. Yeah.

That's so funny. It's really, it's a fun one. There's a lot of wicked rabbit holes on TikTok right now. Yeah. The peacock special. Is TikTok really going to go away? I haven't gone on TikTok as a consumer in a while. Oh really? I would have just assumed you were a TikTok guy. What does that mean? No dancing for you? Are you not doing the? I'm trying to. He's doing the apple dance. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. I'm trying to- He's doing the apple dance. Don't get me wrong.

I show up on their repose. Eating a Chili's Triple Dipper. But as a consumer, I try to stay off. It is a easy place to get sucked into where all of a sudden you've wasted two hours and you're like, how did that happen? And Willow, I don't know. I think we've been worried about it being taken away

for a while now. Yeah, they have been like saying it's, they love to say things. I did see a commercial for TikTok while I. Yeah, they have been like saying it's, they love to say things. I did see a commercial for TikTok while I was watching television this weekend. So I'm like, it doesn't feel like they're going anywhere. Okay. Well, until they're gone,

they're not gonna, they're gonna be here. Yeah. Like Australia did that like social media ban for kids. For under 16, yeah. I don't hate that. It's probably good, I didn't force that though, I don't know. I don't know. But I definitely it's probably forced at though. I don't know. I don't know.

But I definitely think we'd all have a lot more time on our hands. Because I think those types of rules need to come from our communities, not our from the higher ups. You know, yeah. Not the laws. Weird. Yeah. But what? Again, I think. Right. My favorite.

Where can people find tickets of your tour? On my website, fortunefemeister.com. I'm doing some fun California shows like Pasadena, Oxnard, Ontario, and Irvine, where I'm working out new material. So it's kind of a fun peek behind the curtain before I start the big tour And when you're like working like you're truly working out. Do you like preface that when you go out?

I'm gonna like yeah, really just I advertise it because I want people to know that that's this is like me telling stories I did one in Charlotte a few weeks ago and people really enjoyed it. It's cuz you're kind of it It's a very intimate setting. I don't do clubs anymore except for this. So it's cool in that way. Like I'm here, like I'm talking this close to people and I'm, I'm even like, they even can ask me questions at different points. It's very interactive.

So it's just a different experience. And then when I start the theaters in April, those are like two to three thousand seat theaters. And I'm just talking to you. You know what I mean? So it's just different. But the theater tour went on. It's all on sale now. And I'll be going many places. This is just like a drop in the bucket of what's on sale right now. It'll be another year and a half tour of a hundred cities.

Is it fortunefemeister.com? Mm-hmm. Yeah, taking care of biscuits. Your ticket's taking care of biscuits. That's right. Do you cook? I do not cook. Are you a good cook?

Yeah. Oh, what's your thing? Are you like a griller? Yeah, I like to grill, but I like getting things in the kitchen. I wouldn't say I bake very well though. So I feel like biscuits are more of a baking science. Yeah. I can't do any of it. I don't know if you get the red lobster ones that they sell

and just pop them in the oven. Cheddar biscuits. Those are tasty. Okay, speak for yourself. It's warming up, but I have burnt some of things like that. So it requires some skill. You have to understand how to use an oven. That's true.

And not everybody knows that. So that's true. But it everybody knows that so that's true It's still not cooking. Yeah, that is warming up. You can screw up warming up. I'm so good at warming up Okay, my mom can't cook For anything so I did not have a good teacher. What do you eat? I mean she only had one dish she could make a barbecue chicken and a can of corn So it got to the point though. I was like, I never want to look at barbecue chicken ever again in my life. But also she, things would expire and she wouldn't check the date. And so my brother would start smelling the food after a couple of bouts

with some stomach stuff. And she'd be like, stop smelling the food. And he's like, well, check the expiration date before you cook. Times have changed. Yeah. So it was a wild time, but my grandmother was a good cook. And she was like, I'll check the expiration dates before you cook. Times have changed. Yeah.

So it was a wild time, but my grandmother was a good cook and she would feed me quite a bit, too much actually, where I was like, they would, if I was upset, they would just shove like food in my face. I'm like, I feel better now. Yeah. Fortune is always fun chatting with you. Always fun catching up. Thanks for having me.

And if people wanna see if I'm funny or not, check out my Netflix special, Crushing It. It's very funny. You should check it out. All her stuff on Netflix is hilarious. Aw, thank you. And if you happen to see Fortune in town, it's an absolute great show.

Be sure to get tickets, fortunefemester.com. Yeah. For all things Fortune, check it out. It was good to see you. Great to, it's always great to see you. You like in married life and baby life? I'm really embracing dad-husband mode. I can't believe, like, I know we're wrapping it up,

but first being exposed to you on the Bachelor and Bachelorette. I met you at Heather McDonald's podcast. Yeah, that's right. And you watched, the first time I saw you in person, Heather's like, hold on, and then she jumped into my arms. Yeah, I wanted to do that, you know how the Bachelor, the girl's always running and jumping. Oh yeah.

And I did that to Nick and broke his back. No, you were very strong. He held me like a baby. Oh, wow. But yeah, it's so cool to just see you evolve into husband and dad. And I love watching your journey. Oh, thank you. Yeah, man.

We've made it, Fortune. Yeah, we got crushed ice. That's how successful we are. That's the epitome of success. We made it. Thank you, Fortune. Thank you, Michael. Rappaport as well for joining us this episode. Check out Riley Green. We had dropped that yesterday as well for going deeper. We'll see you next week.