The Viall Files - E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! Breaking news! James Kennedy has been arrested, the arrest logs have been released, and much of the cast has responded. We address it all! Meanwhile, we dive into Tom Sandoval and his girlfriend teasing a potential breakup, Selena Gomez being engaged, the mysterious New Jersey Drones, RHOSLC, as well as Southern Charm. To top it off, Zaina from the Ultimatum and SNL’s Heidi Gardner join to talk all things current reality tv.  “Absolutely, it's diabolical” OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Huggies - Learn more at https://www.huggies.com  Wonderful Pistachios - Visit https://www.WonderfulPistachios.com to learn more Quince - Gift luxury this holiday season, without the luxury price tag. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Apostrophe - We have a special deal for our audience: Get your first visit for only $5 at https://www.Apostrophe.com/viall when you use our code: VIALL. That’s a savings of $15! This Manscaped - Get The Chairman Pro Package today and experience a shave that is as smooth as you deserve. Get 20% off + free shipping with the code VIALL20 at https://www.Manscaped.com  Nanit - It's the one baby item we can’t live without. And of course, we have a special offer just for our listeners! TWENTY PERCENT off your first order with code DREAM20 at https://www.nanit.com Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (06:26) - James Kennedy (20:07) - Household Headlines (39:41) - Vibes VS Stats (43:39) - The Ultimatum (01:00:10) - Zaina Joins (01:27:33) - Heidi Gardner Joins (02:05:58) - Outro Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @zayxclusive @heidilgardner @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @the_mare_bare @dereklanerussell

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I am your host Nick. We got the household with us. Boy, babe, on a scale of one to 10, did we have one of the most amazing weeks ever last week? Or like, where would you put it on our, where would you rank it in terms of top weeks we've had as a couple? Probably right after, I feel like wedding

and birth of River are tied. And then this week, this week, that week. I'm kidding. It was definitely right up close to giving her. It was really great. Well, as you guys know, we went to Kathy Hilton's Christmas party, which if honestly, if that is all we did,

that would have been a great week because obviously we got to meet Mary. Well, yeah, and I felt like we met Mary earlier last year. And she remembered that last year I was pregnant. But we really met Mary this time. We really chatted with Mary this time. Anyways, we'll get into obviously the drama that unfolded later that night at Kathy Hilton's party

that we didn't know about regarding the, we now know the piece of shit James. Kennedy. What the fuck's his last name, Kennedy? Anyways, so we'll get to that later. Then after said party, we, Nellie and I, had to fly to New York for an interview that we're very excited to bring to you guys in the beginning of the year. Very cool. Very excited. Can't talk about it. Don't want to talk. We're not going to. We could. I mean, we could talk about it.

We're not going to talk about it quite yet. I'm very excited. Can I just say it's huge? We can say it's huge. Can we just say it's huge? It's big. It's big. It's huge. It's big for. We think it's big. Yeah. It's the boat blocking the Suez Canal big.

Yeah. Well, like, you know, I don't know if you guys remember It's the boat blocking the Suez Canal big. Yeah. Well, like, you know, I don't know if you guys remember, like last year we kicked off 2024 with a pretty big interview. That of Gypsy Rose right out of prison. Right out of prison. All I have to say is I'm dead. You're not alive.

I'm not alive. RIP Justin. And we decided to go bigger this year. We decided to kick off 2025 even bigger than last year. Yes, we did. But it was our first time we have ever left River. It was a very like- That part sucked.

Yeah. We've traveled with her everywhere. We've gone everywhere with her. We've been like, let's fly my mom in to help us. Like we've, you know, we figured out a way to have River with us everywhere. Now we had just gotten back from Thanksgiving. She had been struggling with like getting over a double ear infection over Thanksgiving. So we were like, you know, let's make this trip in and out.

Let's fly my mom out to LA. We left River at home with my mom for 36 hours maybe. Yeah, we brought Derek. We brought Derek with us. So instead of River, we had Derek. So Derek was sitting on your lap. Equally as good. Equally, yeah.

He fit it really nice into the strap on carry on. I just had Derek right on me. Just kind of carried him through. Like right in the doona. Yeah, it was great to have. Do you know what I found out about Derek? Did you guys know this? I hope I can share this.

We can kick it out of. He'll be editing this, I'm sure. He'll be editing this out of Derek. Tell us all of Derek's secrets. If you don't want this in your... Derek's dad is a 9-11 survivor. Derek's dad was working in the World Trade Tower. Well, they talked to him more.

I guess they should get to know my employees better. Yeah, crazy. Anyway, so found that out, spending time with Derek on the trip. But anyways, very cool interview. We did a real sit down. It was really cool. We got to go to this person's place

and we're excited to give it to you guys. January 8th, I think, right? The eighth, that Wednesday, going deeper. Perfect. Damn, you took my punch line. I was gonna say, did you go deeper? Oh, we went so deep. So deep, how deep did you go?

Oh my God, the deep, the deepest. Very excited, anyways. How did you feel leaving River? Did you feel? Oh my God, the deepest. Very excited, anyways. How did you feel leaving River? Did you feel like we... I was really proud of us, I was. It wasn't easy for us. I think we missed River more than she missed us, for sure, when we showed up home.

Thankfully we had grandma. Grandma's been with us. She's been with River much of her life, from the beginning. Yeah, I was really proud of us. Did you ever have a moment where you guys felt like you were forgetting something? Cause it's like, I feel like you're constantly having to take care of a baby,

that it's like to not have one for a couple of days, that it's like, what am I doing? It was definitely like, it felt odd for us to be free. Oh my God, he's in shackles. It felt odd for us to be like out and not be like, oh, we have to change a diaper or oh, we need to like figure out her lunch. Like just to, yeah, not have to work,

like to know that she was being taken care of so well. Get on the plane and raw dog it just like literally. I was like, I watched a movie on an airplane. Oh my God. And forever. I just stood there and stared. He was like, it's so nice to have nothing to do. Truly, it was wild. Prepped for the interview, thought of thoughts.

You know, I just stood there. Cause I'm not much of a note taker. I just stared in the abyss. Yeah. I'm sure people are. Natalie thought of some good questions. Of course I did. Yup.

On the plane, she was, we took some edibles on the plane there and Natalie popped up. She was like, I have a great question for this person. And this person, when she asked that question, you could tell. They were like, ugh. They were like, that is a great question. And this is a thought, very thoughtful person.

But no, it was, I'm definitely proud of us for I think that's a huge moment. We put this under dream guest category. I was talking about leaving River. But yeah, for sure we can move into it. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I've moved on from leaving. I'm kidding. No, of course. She's fine.

Remember when you were asking about the priorities? Yeah. Interview ahead. This will all make sense in the future. Yeah, listen, we're trying to support and pay for her college. You know, this is all part of the plan. Hell yeah. So anyway, it was very exciting.

And then we came back and then we went to Seth MacFarlane's Christmas party on Saturday, which was a lot of fun, legendary. Ran into Kristen Doty. Ooh, love her. We did, who, you know. And we talked to her about the obviously very unfortunate situation that is.

James Kennedy. Yeah. The piece of shit that he is. Yeah, really fucked that guy, honestly. For those of you who don't know, James Kennedy was arrested for domestic violence. The police reports are very disturbing. So law enforcement sources tell TMZ,

which love that for law enforcement, that they're like, you know what, we don't give a fuck, we're gonna tell TMZ what this shitbag did. Burbank, California police were dispatched to a home in the area Tuesday night after receiving a call about an argument between him and a woman. A witness saw Kennedy and the woman arguing

with the reality TV star allegedly grabbing her at one point though we're told officers did not see any visible injuries on her. After investigating the situation, police say they determined it was domestic incident leading to James being arrested for misdemeanor domestic violence. Sources say Kennedy was released after posting a $20,000 bail. And then the arrest log came out and in that arrest log, it says that James was arrested December 10th in a home in Burbank on a misdemeanor charge

of domestic battery upon a spouse or co-habitant after a unidentified woman inside stated, her boyfriend lifted her up and threw her to the ground. I don't know much about the law when it comes to this stuff, but how is the word battery and misdemeanor in the same sentence when it comes to domestic violence? That is a great question. I feel like a lot of it, unfortunately, probably has to do

to like injuries and what the- Physical injuries. Yeah, physical injuries and what like the victim is willing to- So you have to be successful in your being a piece of shit and beating your partner in order for it to- Or the victim has to be like, you know- My life was threatened.

Yeah, which- Anyways, I mean, fuck James. I just, I don't know. I mean, and then we talked, obviously we ran into Kristen Doty. Maybe I guess I've been living under a rock, but I guess James has a history of this. It seems to really have been brought to light

since his arrest. I think we've all kind of watched James have a bit of a reactive temper on TV. You know, we never want to jump to conclusions, but. I think it's sad because I think Kristen tried to talk about this, but I think everyone called her crazy. So no one believed her. And when did, Sierra, you've been obviously watching

Vanderpump and following the franchise for a long time. How long is this, like James is, like. I mean. So ever since this arrest, paying attention to it seems like this, my understanding after the arrest, there's been like whispers of this type of behavior with James for a long time now. Can you elaborate on that?

Yes, obviously there's, I wanna say it's season four where we see Kristen and James get into a fight or break up and they show the clip of her punching him. She wrote in her book after she was let go of Vanderpump rules, stating that she was in fight or break up and they show the clip of her punching him. She wrote in her book after she was let go of Vanderpump rules stating that she was in a toxic fling of a relationship and that it did turn physical. Apparently producers and other people knew about it. Clearly editors had to have known about her being pushed into a bush before said shot

of her punching James was shown. That was edited out. So I don't know if it was protection of James. Raquel has come forward and said things in the past about him being violent. We also have season 10 where Raquel was saying that Allie and James had gotten into a fight. It was like the first episode of the season

and she was called a liar and that she didn't know what she was talking about. Friends of Kristen have come forward and said that this guy has been a piece of shit consistently throughout, but you have two ex-girlfriends saying that he has been violent with them as well. Didn't he, I saw something about Rachel where she was saying that like,

she had just gotten her nose done and he had like hit her nose or bumped, quotes bumped her nose and she was like, I'm gonna have to tell my doctor. So there is a scene where they go to a plastic surgeon, Lisa's involved, and she does ask her straight up, did James do that? And Rachel is still defending James at this point,

saying, no, it was an accident, he went in for a kiss a little too hard and it bumped her nose. But it just kind of seems like there's a history of James being protected on this show and the women being called liars who go through a hard breakup with him. You saw him spit on a door,

you've seen him say very vulgar things. I too wanna trust that he could have grown and learned from that, but. Yeah, that's, I mean, it's almost kind of embarrassing, I think. I mean, obviously there's been a lot of pickup about our conversation that we had with Michael Rappaport. We saw James and Allie at Kathy's party.

We talked to James and Allie, we talked to Allie a little bit more than James. And then obviously I told that anecdotal story about seeing James walk past me and yell and demand his friend hold his drink, which I thought was shocking and a bit like odd to treat your quote unquote friend that way. But now we come to find that maybe this behavior

escalated later that night. But yeah, it's embarrassing because we talked with Michael about James and literally that night I remember talking with James about like, wow, you really, you know, you've Vanderpump's over, but you've really elevated your career. And James really gave, especially like ever since Scandival

and that was my introduction to Vanderpump and obviously we've gone back and we've Revecap and yada yada and we've become really big fans of the franchise in the show. But James has really like taken Scandival and been like seemingly the one guy willing to like quote-unquote do the work to grow up to elevate himself and to learn from his mistakes and you know that's as much all the fun that we have on the show that's something I think the show really talks about in terms of like you know listen we all up, we all have to take accountability

and apologize and there's room for growth if we all want to grow. And I think there was a level of even talking to Michael, a level of like, you know, good for James, but like fuck this guy. I mean, if this is like really who he is, and honestly, I don't give a fuck if I don't want to hear substance abuse blaming it on that. I don't care. This is a don't want to hear substance abuse blaming it on that. I don't care. This is a guy who's clearly had substance abuse problems. He has blamed his substance abuse

on his reactive personality. He has chosen to go back to those substances. And I don't, you know, whether it's because of the substance abuse or the drinking or not, clearly this is a type of behavior that has been ongoing and recurring. And I don't have any fucking patience for any guy

who lays a hand on any woman, period, whatsoever. I don't, like, you picked her up and threw her on the ground? You're a piece of shit, James, fuck you. Amen. I hope he never works again. I hope his DJ career is- I believe he lost his residency in Vegas. Great, fuck him.

Let's go. Allie did post a Instagram story. She posted and said, thank you to everyone who has reached out with love and support and for checking in on me. I'm okay and taking the time I need right now. I deeply appreciate all the kindness and respect

for my privacy during this time. Kristen posted the headline saying finally, Rachel Raquel Levis posted, or I guess her attorneys stated that we're aware of James Kennedy's recent arrest for domestic violence. This news is unfortunately not surprising. Rachel's revenge porn lawsuit describes in significant detail Mr. Kennedy's long history

of erratic violent behavior and substance abuse. Why is he part of that lawsuit? I think it's probably- She's going after the show. So he's grouped into the show, if at all. And I think she's saying that her mental state going into the relationship with Sandoval that she wasn't in. Well, I'll tell you what, if you're right about the fact that the show at all. And I think she's saying that her mental state going into the relationship with Sandoval that she wasn't in. I'll tell you what, if you're right about the fact

that the show has footage of James laying a hand on Kristen and editing that out, like, fuck that. I mean, if that's... I think it's representative of the time that Vanderpump started in to where it ended in, where it's like you have just in the way that Kristen was narrat- narrativized as crazy Kristen.

It's just like, I don't know. Has Lisa Vanderpump said anything? Cause I know Lisa has been a huge supporter of James Kennedy over the years. You're protecting James, yeah. Yeah. Has she not? I have no-

Lisa Vanderpump, you need to say something. You need to speak out. The fact that you haven't spoken out yet is embarrassing for you. There was also a story that Teddy Mellencamp and Tamra had shared about being in a car with them, headed to Tom Tom for an after party and that Allie and James got into in the back seat

and that the car had to pull over and that Teddy and Tamra got out of the car. Allie refuted it saying that that wasn't true, but I'm like, there's just been so many instances where it's like you're hearing people being told that they're lying about a situation that clearly is indicative of his behavior.

As someone who's been in a domestic abuse relationship, there is so much manipulation involved where you feel like you have to protect that person. So I totally understand where in the moments, Kristen or Rachel or Ali have felt like they needed to say, no, that's not happening. No, like you're wrong because they wanna protect the person they love.

They don't wanna seem like, you know, that's their life or that's the reality because, you know, for me at least, it was like embarrassing that I allowed a man to hit me. You know, it was like, you know, I was raised my whole life of like, you stand up to men and you, my mom's, you know, was like, you're an independent woman.

You like would never allow that. And so for me to allow that to happen, it was embarrassing. So it's like, I would never admit that to anyone. And so I just like feel so much for these women who, you know, went through this and felt like they couldn't tell anyone and felt like they were alone. And like, I mean, I just, I really hope that Ali takes this if it is Ali, you know, clearly they don't name her

in this arrest, but I just hope that she gets out of this relationship because it's clear that this is a pattern. He's not gonna learn. And I can't imagine what has happened behind closed doors. 100%. Yeah, we confirmed that Lisa hasn't said anything. She hasn't spoken out yet.

Lisa, that's embarrassing. I feel like she was like, she couldn't stop talking about Scandival. I mean, regardless though, this is someone who is on some level of great power and influence when it comes to Vanderpump in general. She's obviously aware of all the behaviors that this cast is doing, both on and off camera. She is privy to a lot of the information that most people aren't. If all these rumors that you've talked about, like there's plenty of smoke. You're telling me that, like, what is Lisa covering up?

You know, like, what has Lisa been protecting and hiding? And for her to have had James' back this whole time and this come out, and for Lisa Vanderpump not to say anything, it's been how many days? Four or five, yeah. It's been almost a week. Has anyone else from Vanderpump spoken out besides? Nobody else from like the immediate cast.

We do have a source that came out and said that a neighbor caught wind of the spat overreacted and called 911 and that it was a misunderstanding. Well, it clearly wasn't. No, that's fucking, that's PR. No, you read the police report, she was scared. You know what I'm saying? 100%, yeah.

In these situations, there's clearly a triggering event where the abuser reacts and does his shit and gets fucking big and scary. And in that moment, like that's, like she was scared. And if she wasn't, like police would have shown up and she would have said like, it was a misunderstanding, we were arguing about whatever, like, you know, she would have told- Fucking around, police would have shown up and she would have said, it was a misunderstanding, we were arguing about whatever. She would have told.

We could have said anything. The fact that they were called, it means, someone heard something where someone was scared for someone. There was legit worry. And then even to Nellie's point, time had passed, and then it's still at an escalated level. Yeah, it took arguing outside for neighbors to hear,

call the police, police, we know it takes forever for police to show up. In LA, forever. And then for that to have then escalated inside, it is, yeah, it's scary, it's fucked up. He is a piece of shit, I hope that he. You ruined your entire career, James. How do you, who does that?

I mean, fuck man. Piece of shit. Here's a piece of shit. I did also answer a question earlier, Nick. I looked up the difference, or a common difference between a felony and misdemeanor battery, and a lot of the times it's physical significant injury

or involving aggravating factors. So you actually have to hurt someone? Well, this is just a common difference between the two. Picking up someone and body slaying the zombie that is not enough. Unfortunately. I mean, it's just another, to me, that just reads as another instance to make it harder for victims to like,

get protection. Get protection, yeah. So yeah, it's just like, why bring it up if they're only gonna get a misdemeanor, it almost feels like, it's like, then you have, I don't know. Anyways, very sad situation. Our hearts go out to Allie,

we wish her nothing but the best. Yeah, we just wanna support her and get her through this and hopefully she chooses peace and happiness. And also support just all the other women that he has done this to, because I'm sure this is like re-triggering for them to now like have this play on. But the people around this fucking guy

who are actually hanging out with him and know this guy who call him like a friend, like why is this, if this has been going on, you know, I think. Rachel Levis also posted saying the amount of times I convinced myself that the abuse I endured by James Kennedy was a misunderstanding, a sickening. So she has also come out and said something. But at this point, like, yeah, I'm just more, I don't know.

There's this people part of this Vanderpump world who clearly have been looking the other way? Who know James? I don't know how you get to any conclusion. 100%, I think that it's one thing to try to make excuses for somebody about like a repeat offender. And I think like, again, Lisa Vanderpump, like I went to Lisa Vanderpump's once

when I did her podcast a long time ago when she had a podcast for a second. And she was very gracious and very nice. And when I left, James came in, like, I don't know. I think he was just like, they're very close. Like, Lisa looks after James. James was best friends with her son for the longest time. I don't know how that stands.

She said James was like one of her sons. Yeah. He said that before. So the fact that she hasn't said anything matters and is a reflection on Lisa. It's embarrassing, Lisa. Do better. Clearly it will be hard to transition

from that into our headlines. Oh, and we could just transition right into Tom Sandoval. Yes, we can. What is Tom Sandoval up to these days? Well... 6AM lives? Not the same. We don't want to put him in the same bucket as James, because there's a huge difference between anything ever that Tom has allegedly done or done compared to what James is being accused of.

But Tom's girlfriend, Victoria, I believe her name is, posted the all-black Instagram story with some white font. She was venting to the internet. She said, wow, you guys were right. Tiger never changes its stripes. He loves the best friend, apparently. I feel like a fool, completely heartbroken.

Well, first of all. Very cryptic. Very cryptic. I think it's spots and leopards. I think it's interchangeable. A tiger, a lion never changes its mane. You know, lots of animals have notable markings in the same way that Tom Sandoval

has a notable marketing as of a cheetah. Lisa will always defend James Kennedy, you know? Kind of like that, something like that. So what do we know, like what happened or where is this coming from? She just posted a cryptic story and obviously insinuating to the idea that Tom has also cheated on her.

I woke up this morning to a clip of Tom's live where he's just not saying a word. 6 a.m. Tom's live where he's just not saying a word. It's insane. Tom's not alive. Clearly not from having gotten up for a good night's sleep. No. Yes, we know he loves to stay up all night.

He probably has a podcast today that he was staying up for. And I'll watch that too. But he said she knows she messed up last night. So he let us- Which is very icky. It's very icky for your girlfriend to post something cryptic and for you to go on a live and then Refute it with the public that have no idea what's going on No, he said something like she knows she like she like she knows she met she's in trouble. I'm sorry What like I will never believe a word that comes out of Tom's

He's addressing this with us. And before she could say anything else, he goes online and says, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's my girlfriend's fault. She's in trouble with me. He also took the time to go through his Instagram and archive whatever photos front-facing of her in them. He took her off.

Yeah, she's not found on the page until you scroll through photos. I mean, she says he loves the best friends, apparently, which is an awkward sentence to begin with. Do we know who the best friends? Was he caught cuddling with Jax? It's plural, best friends. Best friends.

Best friends. Orgy. I honestly didn't know that they hung out with other people, so. Yeah, doesn't he? Kyle Chan is, I feel like, one of the best friends. Sarah's right, because they hung out with other people. So yeah, doesn't he? Kyle Chan is probably one of the best friends. Sarah's right, because they were called vampires. Yeah.

That they just stay inside. Don't you ever want to grow up guys? That is rhetorical. I do. Not for Christmas. I did, I definitely did. At some point I was like, okay, time to hang up the hat. I'll keep my drama to myself kind of thing.

I'll kick the bucket and I'll grow the fuck up. So that is- He is incapable of shame, it's crazy. Right. I mean, I do mean- It's crazy. I honestly don't expect either of them to ever really tell us what the fuck these are about.

I feel like they're just gonna act like nothing happened and then they're gonna be back together. They're gonna be back together, the photos will be on archives and then they'll be like, guys, you guys are so dramatic. I don't think there's any chance they would come on the show together. I don't know if I need another Tom Sandoval.

I don't think he would like me very much. Yeah, probably not. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like- All the more reason to make sure you're in the road. I mean, it would be reciprocated. There's just honestly nothing else. It would be reciprocated're just honestly nothing else.

It would be reciprocated. There's nothing else to talk to Tom Sandoval about at this point, you know? I just, you're not curious about his dynamic with his girlfriend? No. I don't give a fuck. No, yeah, I really don't give a fuck. I don't believe that.

Oh wait, don't they live together? They do. I don't know. Yeah. Does he still live in the house? Is he in the house? I was under the impression that they were selling the house. I think Leia could have some more insight since it's in her neighborhood. Is there a for sale sign?

I haven't seen him recently, so I don't know. Is there a for sale sign in front of this house? No. So maybe it did sell, but I know that she bought a house and that he was moving in with her was the last update that they gave us. He can't afford a house? There's no Vanderpump next season for him.

Broke, bitch, I'm sure. I mean, honestly though, when you're used to getting whatever they made every year, that is a lot of money they have to make up for. Schwartz and Sandys is closing. Also, Tom's kind of having a tough week. You're representing yourself in your legal case against Rachel.

I forgot about that. You just got in a fight with the girlfriend that you live with, so you might be homeless. Maybe that's what they were fighting about. Maybe she was trying to give him sound legal advice. He's like, no, I got this. I object. Petition the court for my girlfriend to shut the hell up.

Did you guys see the drones in San Diego? I mean, no, I've not seen them in San Diego. Are they in San Diego now? I saw that they were in San Diego. They're in Jersey. Well, maybe they're multiple spots. Oh my gosh. There are lots of drones.

Who is working these drones? We don't know. That's the great mystery. So they're just like drones flying around cities and people are like asking questions. It's giving independence. People don't think that it's like some 14-year-old boy in his backyard like playing with a new Christmas toy. No.

It's like a bevy. We don't know. It's a lot of them. It's a cluster of large SUV sized drones. SUV sized? It's a class of teenage boys, if anything. It's what lot of them. It's a cluster of large SUV size drones. SUV size? It's a class of teenage boys, if anything. It's what it says has been seen hovering. We don't know.

I'm sorry, go ahead, please. No, it's okay. It's just that they've been sighted hovering ominously over critical infrastructure and residential areas, power lines to reservoirs, and the secretary of Homeland Security pretty much is saying that since they've allowed drones flying at night,

that might be why an uptick in sightings. Huh? But they still haven't given us- So they're blaming it on the techie dads? And they still aren't giving us any clarity as to like where they think they're coming from, why so many, why are they like forming structures in the sky,

but nope, nobody cares. Who knows? And we're not gonna figure it out here. I think, listen, there's probably, you're probably even surprised we're talking about this because I imagine there's many other shows and podcasts out there that are probably putting any type of political or whatever spin

on this topic as most do. This is just a reminder here, people, that whenever the end of the world happens, and who knows, maybe it's because of these flying saucers in the sky, or maybe it's 100,000 years from now. Meteor. Who knows? Every time there's like an end of the world movie,

I was thinking about this last night with the drones. Maybe this is it, but honestly, if it is, what are we gonna do about it? I say take me out. So let's listen to the show, let's talk about the ultimatum, let's talk about your favorite housewives, let's just tune out.

Honestly. This is your apocalypse soundtrack. Yes. Tune in now. Like when it's the end of the world, just listen to us, because will there be a tomorrow? Will there not be? I don't know, but at least go out calm. Go out thinking about whether you're Team Brawin

or Team Brittany. Like not whether, like you're not gonna stop the asteroid. Like honestly. I would prefer asteroid to drone. If the aliens are smart enough to be here with drones, what are we gonna do about it? I also did confirm they've been spotted in San Diego as well.

I just like, there's just so much fear brewing around in our world today. People just feeling fear here and there and telling you to be afraid of this and tell you to be afraid of that. We're here to tell you not to be afraid. And just listen to us. Be not afraid.

Be not afraid, because what are you gonna do about it? Nothing. Facts. So just unplug, turn off your brain, enjoy us. Cause we're here, not to scare you. Worrying and stress causes cancer, so I mean. Facts. So just unplug, turn off your brain, enjoy us. Cause we're here, not to scare you. Worrying and stress causes cancer. So I mean. So true.

Honestly. You wanna go at the end of the world with that too? Yeah. Let's all consider. You're not gonna have cancer, you're gonna die of the alien. Exactly. So like, what are you gonna do about that? Enjoy your life.

It sounds like a better death. Yeah. So we're here to just, whatever you're worrying about right now, whatever got into your head today, whatever seed was planted that told you to worry, I'm telling you to not to, cause you're worrying about right now, whatever got into your head today, whatever seed was planted that told you to worry, I'm telling you to not to, because we're here. And listen to Nick.

I did genuinely think the world was ending last night because my dog was acting super suspicious and I was hearing noises and I really thought it was it. I mean, who knows? Well, I thought someone broke in to our house in the backyard because I heard a bang and then the dogs kind of like chirped up and then I was like, Nick, did someone break in? And I turned around and into our house in the backyard because I heard a bang and then the dogs kind of chirped up and then I was like, Nick, did someone break in?

And I turned around and he had headphones in and I was like, perfect, I'm gonna die. It was our neighbor on a ladder. It was our neighbor on the ladder. Well, listen, listen, I think the point still stands. Why enjoy your last remaining moments in this universe listening to people on a podcast telling you to be scared? Yeah. Yeah. No, and these last remaining moments in this universe, listening to people on a podcast telling you to be scared. Yeah. Yeah.

No. And these last remaining moments, you need to decide whether it was Browen or Brittany who was right or wrong. Selena Gomez is engaged. Selena Gomez is engaged. She's, what? Selena Gomez is engaged.

Wow, you really just stole that center right there. Natalie had that teed up perfectly. We can start over. Yes, it is. Selena Gomez is engaged to Benny Blanco. And it, you know, people are having some questions mainly because it looks like he proposed on a set. There also was Taco Bell laying around perfectly, like staged with the branding facing the camera.

So they're like, is it an ad for Taco Bell? Were you on set for a Taco Bell commercial? Did Taco Bell like- Is she really not engaged? She really got engaged. She really got engaged. She marked the ring. So that, we're not confused about that.

No, no, no, no, no. It's just like, why is there Taco Bell? Two birds, one stone, I love it, yeah. Also, I think a lot of people are pissed off because she got a marquee. Can a woman live? She got a marquee diamond as her engagement ring. Is that bad? It's like a diamond type of shape. She's a marquee diamond as her engagement ring. Is that bad?

It's like a diamond type of shape. She's a billionaire. And no, but it's like, that was a very, I think the women who wanted the marquee diamond are now like, you made it mainstream. Like she made it the new oval, which Hailey Bieber made oval oval. Oh, you guys shut the fuck up.

And people are now like mad because you made it. Selena Gomez is the queen. She stole your diamond shape. Shut up. Selena Gomez is not allowed to have taste during her engagement. She's supposed to get something she doesn't like out of fear of making that thing mainstream. I don't think you understand.

Anytime Selena Gomez is the queen of literally doing nothing and then everyone being like, you're awful. We hate you. I want to clarify too, the marquee diamond is a reference to her song, Good For You, where she says, I'm a marquee diamond. So that's why she was- So she's been on it. It was an homage to like her music history

and what she wants and how she sees herself. So it's like a beautiful thing. Because he listens to her. Exactly, yeah. I will defend Selena Gomez until the day I die. So let me get this straight, let me get this straight. There's a bunch of ladies out there who are up in arms because they're upset that Selena Gomez

took their super secret idea and made it popular. Super secret idea of a famous diamond. Well she hasn't made it popular yet because it just happened. But as soon as Hailey Bieber posted her massive gigantic oval ring, then that was like, oval is still to this day like the most common shape.

But for all the people who like made it popular, it's just like, it's like, here's a perfect example. We named our daughter River. You may or may not have heard that. And when we came up with River's name, we were like, oh, that's pretty cool. Kind of gifts giving unique. Giving original, not like-

Unique, but like cute. Cute, like not out there, not like afternoon. But I also was like, there's, you know, from the South, there's a lot of boys named River or Rivers. Turns out River, very common, one of the most popular names of the year, mostly for the boys, but my point being is it was already popular, we just didn't know about it.

Turns out there were a lot of parents with babies cooking in the bellies being like, how about River? And they were like, great, you know what I'm saying? And now we all became aware of popular. And this is just Selena Gomez getting engaged in all the super secret ring that everyone's like thinks. It's like, I'm the one who's getting this

and no one's gonna be talking about this. Turns out you all like the same shit. And Selena Gomez just made you aware. You're basic. Yeah, turns out you're basic and you're not special. And let Selena live. But there's also so many of these women upset that it's like-

Not unique. Yeah, like- You're not special. No. Like you thought you were the only one that was gonna be upset. Nope. Turns out-

You're among friends. You're not, you're basic. You're basic. We're basic. You're just jealous that she's on a show with Martin Short and Steve Martin and gets to hang out with Martin Short and Meryl Streep and they're all probably gonna be at their wedding.

And that's why you're jealous. And I've even forgiven Selena Gomez for being in a show with my two favorite old men. And if I can do that, then you guys can shut the fuck up. There's also like 25 different like diamond cuts and there's about five that are prevalent and 15 undiscovered If you want to be different today, bitch get around Get around cuz no one no one has around these days

There you go, there you go be like Leia be different. Yeah, there's triangle never seen a triangle one before go on, you know Maybe go go gender, get a band. Get a color diamond. But you're also upset that like the most followed person on Instagram posts their engagement ring when they get proposed to. And it's like, oh, she stole my idea, like from who? Who did she take your thunder from?

You know what I mean? She read your mind and like went into your phone notes app where you have like dream, wedding, engagement ring like listed, she found that. You got the idea from another influencer that you forgot about because you saw it online. It was probably Selena Gomez and you just like blacked out and forgot and decided it was your original idea.

No, they heard I'm a marquee diamond and they're like, oh my God. I'm a marquee diamond. I'm a marquee diamond. To be like, oh my god Marquee diamond. I'm a marquee diamond to be mad at Selena Gomez is such a loser behavior I can't someone else bought her Come on now, do you know else's basic who chaperone's dad? I love that I honestly I saw that this morning chaperone did carpool karaoke with her parents and my biggest takeaway is her dad's wearing a Patagonia and fleece it's giving Midwest basic dad love.

You say Patagonia so bougie. He says he pronounces like every letter. How I'm pronouncing it is I started because I think I know how it said. And then I just kind of mumble through the rest. It's like Patagonia. I feel like he went to Dick's Sporting Goods and like he bought this jacket along with some like other random man shit. Yeah. And Chappell's like, other random man shit.

Yeah, and Chappell's like, hey dad, we're gonna go do a car karaoke. And he just grabbed the old reliable fleece, zipped it up, got in the car. He could go to Costco and fit right in. Her whole family's normal. I'll never forget during COVID when Chappell was released from her record label,

she worked at a Sorebooks. I did not know that. She's just like me. He's immediately my favorite celebrity. She's just like me. She is just like you. Do y'all work together? Yeah.

Perfect. She is one of the hottest music stars in the world right now. Yeah, so am I. And you are one of the new up and coming podcasters on the biggest podcast in the world. Literally. In the world. It's basically the same.

Chapel did do an interview recently too, where she said that, like she clarified, Chapel Rhone is a character, and she can't always play that character because it is tiring. That's exactly how I feel on this podcast. Her as a person and her family is very normal. Hmm, weird. Yeah.

Did you see what Paris Hilton has done? Good things. She has done great things. Justin, break it down for us. So we know for a while she had a documentary in 2020 where she basically talked about the child camps that she was sent to. But recently she, on a unanimous vote in the US Senate, she got her stop institutional child abuse bill passed. So now it has to go through the House of Reps.

She's like, it's our responsibility as adults to not put our children in the hands of people that are exploiting children for money. What's fucking crazy is the acknowledgement that these like for-profit businesses that have been created to discipline undisciplined children have not been regulated? That's fucking crazy.

How are they allowed to like- They're private, right? I mean, a lot of things that are private are still regulated. You know, there are still rules of things you can't do. Anything that involves kids is fucking crazy. No, I remember seeing those, like, watching Maury show when I was younger, and it would always be, like, one of those episodes

where it's, like, bad kids or whatever and sending them to these correctional facilities where they're getting screamed at, treated like they're in prison, and they're 13, like, made to cry, and I'm just like, how is this not abuse? We do not protect our kids, not nearly enough. Well, and, like, Paris has been vulnerable,

and I think it's her strength in like talking about this because she also talks, as the Hilton family in general has spoken on it, saying like they thought that this was helping Paris once they realized retrospectively what was happening, it's exact opposite. Now when you think about it too, right? So you get these misbehaved kids,

whatever you want to call it, you ship them off to this place, you're shipping off kids who are already quote unquote troublemakers, right? And so I'm assuming when the kids come back and maybe report whatever actions that are going on behind closed doors, you would less likely to believe the troublemakers, so to speak.

Oh, we're gonna believe the people in authority and stuff like that. It's fucked. Good for Paris, man. Good for Paris. Just makes you wanna hug your babies and protect them at all costs. Same thing with the whole like,

we don't need to get into it because it's, you know, been talked about everywhere, but the Hannah, Nurse Hannah, Hannah Bill, yeah, I don't know her last name, but the girl who like started the 17 diapers trend and like hers was about leaving 17 diapers around because I think she was probably lazy and us mothers being like, you're not alone. Here's my about leaving 17 diapers around because I think she was probably lazy and us mothers being like, you're not alone. Here's my take on 17 diapers. I did this.

And she has been, there's people that are looking into all her videos where she's just denied her kid food. She said it's 30 degrees, he needs a jacket, but I can't afford this $35 jacket. Then her next video is trying the $50 sandwich from Subway and then saying that she doesn't change his diapers when he pees because, you know, diapers are expensive and then posting a here's a stuff about the father, the video of him flinching and she's like, seeing stuff like that is just so heartbreaking and it's like, I just can't. I mean, I think if you have 17 dirty diapers lying around,

I think it's safe to say someone's not helping out. Someone's definitely not helping out. Protect the kids. Protect the kids. Really quick, I just opened Instagram and I see that Luigi Sassen, who killed the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, his grandmother left family members millions

with the stipulation so long that they didn't commit crimes. Someone's not getting his inheritance. Looks like he won't be getting his millions. But he probably couldn't use them in many ways while being in prison. I think it's a real sad story about this guy. Obviously it's a mental health issue.

We talked about it a lot with Michael Rappaport in last week's episode. That does it for Household Endlines though. Let's, we're getting into the ultimatum. Now we have a great show lined up for you. We got Zaina from the ultimatum calling in in just a bit. Heidi Garner from SNL joins us as well to get into all things Bravo.

She's a big Bravo fan. She is. Plus she's crushing life on SNL. We're excited to have her on. Before we get to the rest of our show, just know that we have an excellent, exciting, amazing Going Deeper. The iconic, the one and only, Mary is geeking out. Meredith Marks is with us in studio tomorrow for Going Deeper.

It's going to be an incredible episode. I don't even know what to expect. Dispelling all the rumors and the nastiness about what you've heard about her. It's going to be great. Can't wait. What didn't we get to talk about on household headlines that we'll talk about on Pop Extra behind Vyfiles Plus this week? We have Madonna resharing AI-generated photos of her and the Pope. Tesla's optimist robots are learning to walk down slopes. Craig and Austin opened their new restaurant, by the way. And then we have Miss Patricia posting a TikTok

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Who is your least favorite? Scotty and JR. Yeah, the ultimatum. Who is your least favorite? Scotty and JR. Yeah, for sure. JR needs to be humbled. Like he thinks he is the hottest shit to ever walk planet Earth. And like he's definitely handsome. He's attractive.

As soon as he opens his mouth, he's the ugliest human being I've ever seen. He's the worst personality I think I've ever seen on a television show. Wow. The amount of delusion coming from him. I wouldn't disagree. I mean, so does Scotty.

Yeah. Scotty's terrifying. I would take JR over Scotty though. Scotty, like JR is just like obsessed with himself and I feel like it's, JR is not gonna gaslight and manipulate you the way Scotty is going to. I couldn't agree more.

I think in terms of who's more dangerous, I think JR is more dangerous than Scottie. Scottie, he definitely is getting problematic and a little reactive, but he's also like, Scottie reminds me of those guys, even watching the show, it's just like, I always try, especially when it comes to reality TV, because obviously we love to jump to conclusions

and make really sharp reactions, but it is reality tv everything's heightened when i see these moments i do like to remind myself that like at our worst we've all been these people versions of these people on we just have we've been manipulative we've been reactive you know when it's caught on we have if we're all being honest with ourselves we've all demonstrated certain behaviors that all of these people on these shows have demonstrated. That being said, yeah, no, I think Scotty, Scotty reminds me of the guy who really wants to be a good, like Scotty gives a shit about being a good boyfriend, but he's so reactive and so insecure.

I feel like him and Aria got together because, and she mentioned this, she's talked about bad boyfriends before Scotty, and it seems like she met Scotty at a time where she was fuck boy after fuck boy, situationship after situationship, and then here she met this guy who was very intentional and very much like, I'll show up. And Scotty reminds me of that guy who was just like,

he thinks showing up is all that matters. And because he shows up so much that he's constantly here, he's constantly gonna remind his partner what she's doing wrong. And it's just like, and I think what's so interesting about that relationship, I think Aria can't figure out why she's so miserable in this relationship because she's in a relationship with a guy who like, she's kind of told herself like he's, you know, so many green flags at first, he shows up, but he's considered, and he talks about doing this, and he talks about being intentional.

And boyfriends before her were just like, yeah, I'll call you in a couple days. You know what I'm saying? So compared to that, she really liked that he was showing up, but everything that she does quote unquote wrong in Scottie's eyes, he's always criticizing her under the guise of how to be a better partner, and we have to be better in this relationship.

And he always centers the relationship as a way to guilt Aria. And I think she can't figure out why she's so miserable, because he's quote unquote saying the right things in terms of giving a shit about a relationship, but he's so fucking, he just puts her down and constantly belittles her and tells her what she's doing wrong.

You know what I'm saying? Where you've been in these relationships where it's just like, he says nobody cares because he cares about us and he cares about the relationship but he's always just like nitpicking and fucking just. Well, because she cried about that, right? And she was saying that like, I feel like no matter

how much work I put forward, you only acknowledge or tell me the things that I'm doing wrong. And it's like, that is probably one of the most irritating people to be in a relationship with. I do think Scotty though, to why I disagree with you, is I think eventually he at least is willing to apologize. Scotty will apologize. I think he can maybe- I don't think at all

he apologizes. You know, he has been said, I'm sorry I'm not- He literally do not apologize ever. He explains why he's right. He apologized on, when we interviewed him, because he had watched it back and he had probably had conversations with Aria

in real life. I don't think he gives a fuck about her or anyone. I think he is, to watch, I don't know him in real life. He could be great in real life. To watch, he is scary. Maybe. I mean, for JR, it just seems so disconnected and delusional. But you can clock that a lot easier. That's I think that's what I mean by G Scottie puts up a way better front than JR does. JR, like, pretty immediately, you're like, oh, okay.

Scottie can explain his behavior. JR doesn't feel like he needs to. Yeah. Yeah, the way Scottie explains his behavior, though, is very like, no, no, no, like, the way that you see it is wrong. Let me give you the actual, and it's just like a completely different off topic reason

as to why he's doing something. And so it's like, no one's right about him. Yeah, Scottie always does that. It's like, he doesn't, he's right, he does. He's like, he's like, yeah, I mean, I did that, but I did that because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or context, he always keeps up bringing up context that's not shown and it's like-

It's like the context is that like, Aria always sees that I'm like, could be doing something better. I could and there are a lot of things I could be doing better but in this one single inked mask it's just like dude shut up. And at least JR isn't saying much. You know I would take like people quiet

versus like shut the hell up. Yeah maybe JR just something about JR just gives me weird problems. He has a religious trauma. And JR doesn just something about JR just gives me weird problems. He has religious trauma. And JR doesn't take responsibility either in a completely different way. Like his excuses being like, I am committed to this experiment or whatever it may be.

It's like, homeboy, I don't know that you and your person, you and Zaina, had an agreement to this level. That's also, and I think everyone, I hate when people do this, but I'm gonna do it right now, I think everyone watching can agree that like, we don't give a fuck if you're like taking the experiment seriously. It's like, that, you know, like,

they keep saying this. We're suspending our disbelief for television. Yeah, like they keep saying this as if it's like some sort of excuse to get out of bad behavior. It's like, well, I am taking this experiment seriously. And like, I'm trying to like, get the most out of this experiment. And it's like, well, I am taking this experiment seriously. And like, I'm trying to like, get the most out of this experiment.

And it's like, this is your girlfriend of three fucking years. It's weird. Is that the ultimatum's version of The Bachelor? Like, he's not here for the right reasons. But to Nellie's point, it's like, there's embracing the experience and there's being JR. Yeah, Caleb took the experience seriously. I think that's probably what bothers me about JR so much

compared to Sandy. Yeah, it's just, maybe like Sandy's faking accountability. I don't know. But with JR, it's just like he seems to believe his delusion about like the seriousness of this experiment. It's like with JR, he seems to have this like blank look on his face where he like seems to be incapable of understanding anyone's's point of view but his at least Sandy seems to be able to fake empathy I don't know Sandy at that table and he had to change Maybe I'm just blinded by my These were two completely different people When we had Sandy at the changeover being like Nick he tormented me. He neglected me.

He disrespected me. He attacked me. He loved bomb me. Like the longest list of terrible things someone can do to you. And then like they're right back at home and she's hugging him. She's kissing.

That's not someone who's torment. Tormented. Sorry, I'm not hugging the man who's tormented me. Crying in bed, looking at their dog, with being like, there's something I have to tell you. Like that was insane to me. I did think it was funny how she is for three weeks, crying in bed, looking at their dog, with being like, there's something I have to tell you. Like, that was insane to me. I did think it was funny how she's sobbing, crying. I don't know if anyone else caught this,

but JR goes to reach for his handkerchief to give to her, and Nick clocks that he's doing that, and he gets it out faster and hands it to her, and the look on JR's face that he couldn't give her that tissue before Nick could, it was like, someone kicked his dog. I wanna see what Nick's ex-girlfriends look like. Yeah.

Because their relationship just gives Sandy's the hottest girl he's ever dated and their relationship gives that both Nick and Sandy are on the same page and that is that Sandy can do better than Nick and Nick's never done better than Sandy. That's how they both kind of operate this relationship. So his insecurities just like bring out the worst in him.

But she's also like their whole relationship is what Nick needs to do better. Like their whole relationship is about Nick stepping up and proving his love to Sandy. And there's either we're missing something from editing or whatever, but like Nick clearly seems to have his issues, and his love to Sandy. And there's either we're missing something from editing or whatever, but like Nick clearly seems to have his issues,

but like the amount of apologizing Nick has to do for whatever Sandy's doing, her ability to gaslight him is shocking. Like in a way that I've never, it's like no matter what, it's just like eventually he's apologizing for something she did. Like I need him to stick to whatever it is that he believes.

It's like he is passionate about something and then five seconds later he's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that, I shouldn't have done this. And it's like, well, okay, but let's stop. I feel like you don't owe an apology right now. Cindy did say that like before the experience I went from him neglecting her to like with the second they got there He was love bombing her. So that part is like that feels valid, right? Like you're in this relationship

I guess I don't really understand the part if like he's neglecting her, but he also wants to marry her It's like how I guess two things can be true at once, but I get that like he's not present He doesn't see her and then they go in this experiment and she's like with this other guy and he's all of a sudden like, holy fuck, he wants what he can't have. Totally understand that. That's possible, but again, all we've seen this season

is her figure out a way to blame him for her shit. So like I don't know what to trust in terms of what their relationship was prior to this experiment. They have not been clear on the what is the attacking, what is the tormenting, what has he been doing? Because if it's just texting you and calling you while he's having a mental breakdown

because he misses you. That seemed to be the only thing I'm referring to is his quote unquote behavior during the experiment when she was a floor above you, sleeping in a bed with another fucking guy. And like. And telling you to go home instead of having a conversation with you,

but claiming that she wants to be with you. That's the thing that we're talking about? It's like, huh? I am excited to ask Zaina if she has any insight on that. I also do want to say one thing, something that pisses me off so much is when somebody's trying to apologize and the person that they're apologizing to just keeps saying what they did wrong. And this happens with both JR and Scotty with Nick trying toizing to just keeps saying what they did wrong. And this happens with both JR and Scotty, with Nick trying to apologize to JR. And he's just like sitting there with his arms and he's like, well, but then you did this, this and this.

And Nick is like, I'm trying. I said, sorry. And the same thing happens with Scotty and Aria. But even the flipping of the script where it's like, okay, sure, you took the experiment seriously, Sandy. But then I'm like, even the conversation of what was done and the fact that Nick had to find out about the second kiss or whatever through Zaina, and then she's like, I was gonna tell you just like after we're done filming, after we're engaged.

Their last night, because also when they talk about how many kisses there were, they refer, they say the word. They're still lying, everyone. They say the word peck, right? They use the word peck to describe a kiss. So that tells me they're clocking each individual peck. And if we're clocking each individual peck, then their last night they kissed each other twice

in a matter of 12 seconds. It was kiss and then she went in for another kiss. There were, so now we So now they've kissed several times and we're to believe that they only kissed on camera? But they're also saying Nick and Zaina are referring to like a hot tub kiss, right? A jacuzzi kiss, I think Sandy. We didn't see that one.

We saw the one at the table when the dating was happening, when they were just picking who they wanted. They did kiss. They kissed in the pool. They kissed in the pool. So that's four kisses. Yeah. That's four. They had sex. I think they had sex too.

There's no ass, even if they didn't, let's give them a bit of a doubt. Even if they did it. They didn't have sex. You mean to tell me, after all the rubbing up and all that stuff and the cameras went. Wifey. And all the wifey talk.

This ass smacking. Oh, ass smacking that when the cameras left, they just went to bed. Yeah. It's kind of hard to believe. If you're gonna tell me what I cannot wear, you better be fucking me. Literally. Like, why would you tell me, like, you can't wear that without me?

If, like, we're just pecking? You think you've got control over me if we're just pecking? Yep. Bizarre. Tea. And if you're gonna lie about how many times that you kissed or pecked, like what else would you lie about?

Also the audacity to lie when you have kissed multiple times in front of cameras on a show that everyone will see. It's like at least just say you don't know. It's like how many times? Honestly, can't remember. I do not recall. Because giving a number

and then being wrong about that number. Also, tidbit, Love is Blind, same show, take note, because they had security cameras in the rooms, so we got to see the stuff, the conversations that happened when cameras weren't there. Why don't you do that for Love is Blind? I think Sandy loves- I think they made a creative choice.

They added that, is that new? No, my understanding is, of whatever reason they do that for Love is Blind? I think Sandy loves... I think they made a creative choice. They added that? Is that new? No, my understanding is whatever reason they do that for the ultimatum and for whatever reason they don't do it for Love is Blind, I don't... Apparently, I don't... There's a reason. I don't agree with the reason. But that is a creative choice. I was gonna say I think Sandy loves Nick and just doesn't want to hurt him. So she's like withholding the truth.

Which is wrong. What do you mean loves him? Like her waiting to say that she kissed JR multiple times. That's not love. I hate that you were, that's not love. If you love someone, you wouldn't kiss somebody else and then have to hurt them to tell them. Sandy's whole thing, like, I didn't tell you

because I don't want to hurt you. I didn't tell you because you would be mad. I didn't tell you because of the way you reacted to it last time. Again, she's always blaming, it's always Nick's fault. No matter what, that's not love. But it's a common thing where you, and I'm not saying I've done it or that a lot of people do it,

but like where people say like I cared so much about them that I didn't want to tell them the truth to hurt them because it would hurt them more. That's not why, that's not, no. You didn't want to hurt yourself. That they only care about themselves. They didn't want to feel guilty and they didn't want to be the bad guy

and they didn't want to be in trouble. That's the truth behind it, but he's saying a lot of people use that excuse as to why. And that part where she's crying in bed and he's like, is it me or is it something else? I mean, Nick, trust your gut, saying a lot of people use that excuse as to why. And that part where she's crying in bed and he's like, is it me or is it something else? I mean, Nick, trust your gut, but like, she's crying because she feels bad

because she hates you and you give her the ick and she doesn't know how to tell you. My God, when he's this like girl pair, Nick. I mean, when I say that, Nick, and I say that knowing that when I watch, 20 something year old me was that fucking guy who just thought I could just, I don't know, I didn't have any backbone.

Anyways, when he's like, I love you so much, she's disrespecting him so much, and all he can do is just get on a knee and say how sorry and how much he loves her. That is not how you get someone to respect you. He's doing everything wrong. I mean, and I say that having done everything wrong in the past, but like, yuck.

I also don't think we can say that Sandy loves him when she's sitting at a table in front of all these people, in front of all these cameras, and accusing this person she loves of attacking her. Those are strong words. Attack, torment, neglect. She is using inflammatory words. Those are huge words.

And you don't, like. She said that in the same sentence. Yeah. And she constantly talks shit about Nick constantly his art What's he's passionate about him crying whatever it may be and it's just kind of like yeah But you are the source of this pain. I don't know who hates Nick more Sandy or Nick Well, I feel like you're JR. No, no, no, no, it's himself. Yeah, you there's got to be some self-hate Yeah, like to allow someone to treat you that way. There's gotta be some self-hate. Yeah, do you think that? To allow someone to treat you that way.

Do you think that Nick kind of objectifies Sandy? No more than Sandy objectifies herself. Yeah, but do you think that's like the core of a lot of the issues of like he's seeing her more as like. Definitely no more than JR is seeing her. Yeah, which I don't think it's specifically Nick, but it's like he's like trying to win this thing and prove that he can have someone as beautiful as Sandy.

And by doing that, he's just breaking himself down. And this is not a criticism to Sandy, but I also do feel like when it's like leading with sexuality or being like, I'm scurpious, so I'm good in bed, like it's like kind of like, what do you think that that's implying that you want to be treated? I don't mean this as having anything to do with Sandy.

I'm just thinking of how Nick views Sandy and how that ends up reflecting on the way he treats himself in order to obtain Sandy versus actually caring about her. I think Nick's convinced himself that he likes Sandy's personality and loves her heart. You know what I'm saying? I don't think he's aware that, and again, who knows? We know so little about their actual relationship

but everything we're seeing about their relationship gives that like there's not a lot of respect going on there and that she acts like she's out of his league and he acts like he's out of her league. Let's ask Zaina about it. Yeah. Zaina is here already. Let's bring her up.

Let's give her, yeah, let's get Zaina's thoughts and feelings on this whole, yeah, let's go. Hi. Hi. Hi, how are you's go. Hi. Hi. Hi, how are you? I'm doing pretty okay. Well, you're easily, you're my favorite person on this show. By a mile. Definitely.

Mine as well, yes. By a mile. You're great in a sea of people who are not. Anyways, how has this whole experience been for you? I just wanna say thank God for my therapist because if it wasn't for her, I don't know how I would be as sane as I am today. But the overall experience was just like really crazy because I went all in. I was ready to, you know, do the experiment with JR and see where we could go,

but I was also very adamant about what I needed. And I was just, you know, met with a lot of lies from all of them. Yeah. Can we talk about All In for a second? Because watching this whole show, Nellie referenced this early before you jumped on, when JR or anyone else on the show talks about how serious they're taking this experience

or how all in they are, my prom as a viewer, I'm watching this, and I'm like saying, great for taking, you know, you gotta embrace the experience, I'm all for that. But like, where did you, I guess I'm curious, the conversations that you and JR had prior to going into this experiment.

Because I'm thinking you should be able to embrace this experiment and get the most out of it that the experiment brings you and still be able to respect your partner that you came into the show with. The way JR talked about like Sandy as if like she was literally his wife and I'm just curious for you like what were your expectations going into the show and you seem like you embrace the experiment as well at the same time you

were able to respect JR and yourself. How did you see it? Before we did the experiment like first and foremost I was a little hesitant because I was just like nervous about it. It's like, all right, we're putting ourselves out there. And he reassured me that our relationship had a strong enough foundation to withstand the experiment. And he didn't want to go through like any like boundaries and things like that.

But I left that with, we would still have mutual respect. Like if you love me as deeply as you say you love me, you can go through this experiment and still respect me, bare minimum. So the JR that you guys see during dating week, dating Sandy, I've never met him. My friends and family watching this who have actually spent time with him, jaw to the ground.

We're like, who is this person that he decided to be for the sake of this experiment? The way he was with Sandy was honestly like, kind of the way he was with me in our honeymoon phase, like minus like the overly sexualization. Like that is crazy. And I've never heard any of those things come out of his mouth before.

But like the flattery, the lovey-dovey, physical touch, you're the best one dressed here. I've never been as vulnerable as anyone else before. Like he said all of those same things to me. So the fact that he was doing all of that while it was being filmed in 4k and that came clean to me is like absolutely ridiculous. Like I found out about everything watching it back with y'all. That's crazy. So he never came clean about, I mean, I think we just counted,

I think we as a viewer saw at least four kisses on screen and he, you just watched that back. He never admitted to how many or what they did. Never, or even the way he was acting, like what he was saying, like none of that. Like I found out about the kiss at the changeover. Right? I tried my best to hold my composure but when I tell you I was like steaming because it's after girls night with Sandy. I'm like what the heck we're all like what's going on. He never said anything about it and he also downplayed it. He said

he wasn't attracted to Sandy. He said it was just a peck. She initiated it. It was just two. So in my head, I'm thinking like, okay, she's just leaning for a kiss, that's it. I'm not seeing what all the other viewers are watching to see the drastic difference between their connection and then ours.

And you're probably thinking there's no way he's gonna lie about this because it's all on camera anyways. He's not stupid. Hey at that in 4k. Yeah, and then I think to have Sandy at girls night reassure you in a way of like we're just friends. It's never been anything What was that like to clearly watch back that she was lying? Obviously they want us to keep everything very separate I told production I'm'm like, I need to have a conversation with Sandy, or I'm going to have words with her off screen,

so you either capture it or you don't. So we did film a scene that wasn't shown, where she did kind of explain her POV. She swears that they never did anything past the kiss, and she was trying to reassure me, girl to girl, that there wasn't anything there. They weren't leaving together. She's trying to make him a better person for me.

All of the above. So what she's trying to do, she was doing you a favor, she said, where she was like wiggling up, wiggling her ass in the bed, just kind of up and giving him like to then hear that back then and then see it in 4K once again. Because everything's captured in 4k It's just been a lot to process and just really try to they are the pathological liar I'll just say that I think it's what's so scary about you. He's he's so calm and comfortable lying like oh calm He doesn't look nervous. I didn't see what was right in front of me and

That's the sad part. Like obviously now I see a lot of things, but back then I was just being my normal self. I'm a giver. Everyone's talking about, why are you getting him gifts? Like that's just my love language. And that's just how I love all the people around me. So it's all just been so interesting to watch it all play back.

At the changeover, we heard Sandy accuse Nick of some pretty intense things. She used very strong words against him, such as you attacked me, you love bomb, tormented me. Tormented me. Do you know of anything that had happened that like maybe we obviously as viewers aren't,

you were there during the experiment because all that we are aware of is that he was texting and calling her a lot, which as someone who was dating someone for three years, that feels normal, but I don't know if you know more. Yeah, it looked like Sandy was tormenting Nick and then he was reacting to the torment, but. Yeah, well, I don't know a lot of details,

but I do know that there was a lot of contact during, like obviously Nick was by himself and no one needed to be in that experiment like by themselves. Like I'm sure he was going stir crazy. And he actually found out about the kiss like early on. I was left in the dark. So I understood why he was just kind of spiraling, especially being by himself.

But I remember Sandy telling me that prior to the show, she did feel a lot of neglect in their relationship. So it's like, how do you go from neglect to now love bombing me and doing all these things where it's like, you brought me here? So that's kind of where, from my perspective, where things landed with them, where she was just really confused by how he was acting or his reaction to what was going on.

Back to JR, I just wanna just empathize with your situation, because it must be a challenge to be with this man who his whole backstory was about the fact that he was cheated on and how his ex-wife, how poorly she treated him. He really paints himself as just trying to do good and have a warm heart and break his broken wing

type of thing. It seems almost sinister to have this guy kind of weaponize his own pain and then do onto others the exact type of stuff that he talks about being the victim of. It must be kind of hard to watch for you. Absolutely, it's diabolical. Like I did nothing to JR to ever get that reaction.

I just, to this day, I do not understand, I do not comprehend how he could do that to me. There are rumors going around that we were in a fake relationship, obviously having some issues, but then for him to turn around and just like disrespect me with no regard. It's just like crazy to wrap my brain around. How did you guys end up on the show? Because I am curious when like Sandy says things like you brought me on this show, like I kind of roll my eyes.

It's like you're all adults. You all signed up, you all signed your own individual contract, I am sure. I don't doubt that there was one person in the relationship that brought maybe the opportunity to the other person, but to me it just seems like a cop out. It was if Nick's dragged Sandy here and she didn't want to, like, you all wanted to be on TV. You know what I'm saying? Like you all were aware of the benefits.

Like how do you see it as someone who gave the ultimatum and things like that? Am I being too hard on Sandy when it comes to that or do you see what I'm saying? I've always said an ultimatum goes two ways. Someone has to issue it and the other person has to accept it in order to do a show like this. Two willing participants have to be there.

So with JR and I, ironically, there was like an ad that popped up that they were doing the casting for our area. And I brought it up to him as a joke. And he was like, oh, we should apply. And at the time, obviously, when anyone's issued an ultimatum or that's on the table, there's a disconnect in the relationship, period.

And I had felt a drift in our relationship in the months leading up to the experiment. So I thought JR's enthusiasm to wanting to do the show was him actually prioritizing our relationship. I'm like, finally, there was discrepancies on social media and posting, and he wanted to not have me on his page and stuff. So I was like, wow, to go from that to now doing a global streamer show,

like now you're trying to show the world that we're in this relationship and we can actually work on it. So. Did he ever show any signs of any shadiness or anything before like this show, just like in the three years of your relationship? I would say the first two years were very like

honeymoon phase and very like all in. I think when he made a transition from corporate to doing fitness full-time and wanted to like build his brand as like a fitness influencer, is when things started going downhill. And this was all leading up to the experiment. So he took me to Jamaica for my birthday in March of last year. And then I had them all over my page. I can go to my archives photos in Instagram and show you guys like where he was on my page. When

we got back from that trip, he asked me to stop commenting on his post because people click on my page and then see him and he wanted to be perceived as single in order to build his brand. And that was like a huge argument because I'm like, I understand building a brand and having things separate. You had a candle line, don't post a girl. Like it makes sense. But your DMs better not be like you're single. So for me, like that was like where the disconnect started because I was like, well, what are your intentions like with wanting to be perceived as single?

And that's when I think that's where he calls me petty, like petty Zay. I ended up archiving all of our photos because I'm like, it's a two-way street. I'm not about to have you on my page and you're now asking me not to comment as your girlfriend. Short of you being in sex work, I can't think of a. One job.

I can't think of a profession that you need to be. Where people would be like, oh, I was gonna work with him, but he has a girlfriend. So I'm not gonna book this trainer. And like you're a male personal trainer, which means I'm assuming that most of your clients are gonna be guys that wanna look like you. We're also the gym, we wanna go and work out.

We don't wanna be fucking hit on. So you know what? The fact that you have a girlfriend, I feel safer. Right. Honestly, that was when I feel like the pivotal point when things started going downhill, which was like six months-ish into doing the ultimatum. So when people are like,

ooh, it looks like a disconnect. Yeah, there was a lot of disconnect in our relationship. And I was like, let's do looks like a disconnect. Like, yeah, there was a lot of like disconnect in our relationship. And I was like, let's do this and like figure out, like let's get to the bottom of everything and talking through. Maybe it was a little harsh, but I said that JR needs to be humbled.

I think he is attractive, but as soon as he opens his mouth, he is ugly. And I don't think he has. And this is just from watching this show. He has not shown a great personality. He's not shown that he's a good partner. He's not shown really any good qualities about himself. I think him, you know, smacking Sandy on the ass, I think him saying like, oh, you're going

to wear that without me then claim that like, oh, all you've ever done is pack. I just you know, I just don't believe you, unfortunately. Oh, crazy. Like this is all in 4K. Like what is wrong with you? And the fact that he never like came clean about anything. Cause if you value someone and you know that you want to still be with them

or if there's a proposal on the line, wouldn't you come clean about everything knowing that it's going to affect your relationship? The way that the whole apartment situation and cameras is set up, would it be possible for them to hook up off camera and no one know? Well, we didn't have cameras in our bedrooms this evening. And he shut that door a lot.

Anything could happen. What does your gut tell you? We're really big on believing our guts. Does your gut tell you that they hooked up or your life's on the line and you have to give an answer of what those two did? What's your answer? It's so hard because I'm just like, I just don't know.

I'm like only God knows. Do y'all have a lie detector in there? Cause like that's the only way that we'll be able to- That's a really good idea. If more people on the air, like I wanna know that. I don't know. I mean, we would have to have JR to do that. And I don't know if we will,

since he's asking for $10,000 to do press. Wait, you're like. What a loser, oh my God. I do wanna switch really quickly to Scotty. You obviously spent some time with him. We interviewed him a week ago. Last week. Last week. And it was like right after the first batch

and he zoomed in and he was quick to be like, I'm embarrassed. It was right after the whole like cryotherapy and hot air balloon. Yeah. Eating breakfast without him. You ate breakfast without me. Fundamentally.

Yeah, so what's your read on Scotty? I don't know if he's just like a guy who's trying his best but he just can't get out of his own way because he's too insecure. He also said that a lot of context was cut out of conversations that you had, so that it was very clear that he was being sarcastic or that you were in on the jokes.

He said you guys were just doing nothing but laughing. But your interviews after claimed otherwise, so that's what's like, what was it really like during that trial marriage with Scotty? Okay, that scene, there was no laughter. There was probably like nervous chuckle of like, what the fuck's going on? But that was a very serious conversation. Like even for me to say in the scene, so me turning down your two date ideas as a form of rejection and for him to respond, there's no like edits there. And I definitely felt like an energy shift with

that. I think Scotty overall, like he's not a bad person. Like I think he means well. I think he loves heart. I think he wants to love and build a family based on, you know, just based on what his mom and his dad had. So I do think there is a lack of self-awareness that comes with Scotty where he doesn't necessarily see like what he's doing or how, you know, he gets triggered in arguments and then like goes crazy and starts throwing like my age at me. Like, bro, we're only two years apart. Like.

Are you older or something? Two years. That's just stupid. Remember he was like, what do 32 year olds do for fun then? And it was like, bro, 32 year olds do for fun then? And it was like, bro, you're 30. Our child marriage was actually really great

like in the beginning, like he was all in, like we were definitely trying to challenge each other with like emotional vulnerability. And I could tell like he wanted to put his best foot forward, but then everything happened with what I call the crash and burn, which ended up making me leave. When did you leave?

Was it how many days before the end of the trial marriage? I feel like that was maybe like three or four days before. Actually, no, I think it was like two days because I went to a hotel and I slept there and they were like, oh, you can come back and have a conversation with him and then go to the changeover together. So I think it was like two days.

They don't really show that. So I think it was like- They don't really show that. I mean, I feel like that's kind of a big deal to need to leave days before you're supposed to because you don't wanna be in the same room with them anymore. I feel like that wasn't really highlighted the way. The way it was shown is it's like you left five minutes

before you were supposed to. Guy's night to when I left was like three or four days of that same energy. And anyone who knows me, like my friends and family know, I'm a very patient person. So for me to have to like exit stage left, that means I did not, like I couldn't deal with it anymore. In the moment when that whole,

you're cleaning up the apartment and he's like you go to the bathroom at 132 in the morning and you take your phone and you're texting JR like what were you thinking in that moment? Mind you this is probably three or four days in of him doing the same thing and first and foremost like the whole conversation around me talking to JR was so me talking to JR was so irrelevant to why JR had negative opinions about him. Yeah. Like the moment I walked in from girls night, I knew it wasn't like a safe place to have a productive conversation. He already had a narrative in his head of what happened,

and he wanted to put that blame on me. So I already talked what he was doing. I'm like, you're trying to get me to say I would talk to JR so that it can make sense to your brain as to why JR came at you crazy. And it's a known fact that like everyone was talking, communicating with their original partners. Like literally a few days before he asked me, Scottie asked me to see, reach out to JR to see if he wanted to use his barber who flew in from LA. So it's like, you know that there's been conversation, but yet you're trying to put me in a position where it's

making it seem like I'm the reason why JR hates you. That's why I refuse to give into it because it's like, you know what it is. So now you're just badgering me by saying, well, you go to the bathroom with your phone. You must be talking to JR. Actually, I have a life. Actually, I was also working remotely. First of all, also, who cares if you were talking to your boyfriend? Like, I'm just like, every time I watch these fucking shows, it's just like, Jesus fucking Christ.

Also, it just seemed kind of weird, given that like JR was very much giving, I'm looking for a hall pass, I'd love your opinion on that in a second. And I would have just loved Scotty when JR tried to like start some drama with Scotty. I wish Scotty would have just manned up and been like, yeah, bro, you're giving wanting a hall pass.

So like, I didn't say that, but like I would be more concerned about how you're operating in this scene rather than it would seem way easier for Scotty to come back and yell at you for something he had just made up in his head as opposed to just confronting JR and man to man and just calling him out for his shitty behavior.

Now let's just go yell at the woman. Let's just go like. Like why are you picking on me? I'm having a great night. Yeah. Same, you told me nothing was going on between us. Yeah. Yeah, it's just been like,

the only right answer to JR, I've been like, yeah dude, you look like you're trying to fuck everybody here. And at that time, the whole Hall Pass thing, I was standing up for JR. I was like, this is not in his character. He would never like everyone is seeing it from, you know, watching it as a show. But me in that moment, I was like, there is no way like JR here for a hall pass. Like never.

So it was just all so ridiculous. How do you see it now? Um, yeah. It's like, it's no question. If I was a viewer, I would be like, dang, you just wanted to like, get some clout at the changeover. He talked about how Sandy's family invited him to Christmas and he was like, I'm probably gonna go. And knowing he's about to go and live with his girlfriend for three weeks, I don't understand this guy at all. Did that conversation ever come up of like, are you good?

Are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay? And I think in that moment, he just wanted to get under Nick's skin so bad that he did it with me right across the table. I just think there was no regard for me at all. I did not exist in JR's world during filming. To hear that is crazy.

It's like it's that JR prioritizing his hatred towards Nick, a man that he was tormenting because he was making moves on his girlfriend. And the fact that JR was able to convince himself that he was the victim in that situation so much so that he was so willing to disrespect his own girlfriend and a man who he was in bed with his girlfriend and act like he's the victim is wild behavior.

Diabolical. Diabolical. Diabolical is the best word for it. Yeah, well, we are glad that you made it out. Truly. And you look great. I'm alive. You look great.

I mean, we are excited to see what happens at Proposal. I can only hope with my fingers and my toes crossed that you are not engaged to this man. I hope the same for Aria and Scotty. What is it these guys that they're casting? I just want one guy to root for on these shows. Caleb. Caleb was great. What were your thoughts on Caleb?

I loved Caleb. He's great. I think he was also like one of the guys who just, he just wanted to respect his girlfriend. Yeah. In this experience, I really didn't wanna be here for real, for real, but I'm gonna do it with you. And I just appreciated his approach with it.

And I think he was a great pair for Aria because Aria needed someone that could be a little bit more softer with her and could help her calm down like and everything. So I really enjoyed Caleb. Who are you closest to from the show today? It would help her calm down and everything. So I really enjoyed Caleb. Who are you closest to from the show today? Ari and I have been talking a lot lately.

Chanel, we're reconnecting. She lives all the way out in Arizona. So she'll be out here this week. I hope that you get all the brand deals ever and you thrive in your world. You're the only one brand deal worthy from this show. Oh, stop. I wanna buy everything you're selling.

Give everyone brand deals. Give everyone brand deals. No, no, no. I don't wanna buy anything from JR or Scotty or honestly Vanessa and Dave or Chanel and Micah. I, you know. We didn't get to know them. We didn't.

And that's why like, I don't need to see, you know, or hear from them. I'm just excited for you guys to see the finale and reunion. Yes. And then for everyone to be able to talk more about, like, their story. Because obviously up until this point, we really couldn't share much. So I just think when you hear everyone's perspective, you might change your mind a little bit. OK. OK. Thanks so much for your time. We wish you nothing but the best on your journey forward.

Thanks for being someone that's been fun to root for. Thank you. Because we've definitely been rooting for you. Appreciate you all for having me. All right. Take care. Absolutely. Bye, Zaina.

Man. She's great. She's great. She is great. No, she is great. She deserves so much better than JR. JR is the ultimate fuck boy and I wish him nothing good. I'm happy to say I didn't like him from the beginning.

Give me the ick. As soon as he put that cologne on his balls, I was like, this man is gross. Way too much cologne. Why do you have to put that there? What are you hiding? What are you going to do? Why is someone going to be smelling your dick? Exactly.

Your butthole. I call it a bee behind. Even worse. If Nick ever said, my behind, jail. Jail immediately. Yeah. Please smell my behind. I put some cologne on. Ew.

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Use code DREAM20. Heidi, how are you? Good, how are you? Oh, we're great, so happy to be with you. We're very excited to have you on. Yeah, we're just excited, yeah. So bear with our excitement. Okay, fun, I'm excited.

Okay. She was like, oh my God, what? How've you been, how was your weekend? What'd you do do other than work? Oh my gosh. I worked and then we worked again. We had a little cast like photo we had to do yesterday. But then I went to a Christmas party.

Oh, nice. How was that? It was good. I learned how to make eggnog. Oh. How festive. How do you make eggnog? So you take, this will be good for me.

So now I can do it on my repeat, or I'll know the next time even better. You can watch this back. You take 12 eggs, you separate the eggs from, the egg yolk from the egg white. Those go in a bowl with sugar, separate bowl, milk, cream, vanilla. Do the whites or the yolk go in the sugar?

The yolk, the good stuff. Okay. Okay, keep the yolk. And then, yeah, you heat up that milk mixture, and then once it just starts to boil, you slowly add it ladle by ladle to the eggs and sugar, which is the scary part, because if you add it too quickly,

then the eggs will cook, you would like make scrambled eggs and not eggs. So it's kind of, could be gross, cause you know, it's a lot going on. There's an art to it. Yeah. Who do you have with you today? So this is Tweaky.

Tweaky, hi. Love. Yeah, it Oh my. Love. Yeah, it's just gonna hang. You're a Chiefs fan? Oh, huge. Oh my God. Like before Taylor Swift Chiefs fan? Yeah, before Taylor.

An OG Chiefs. No shame to Taylor. I am happy for more eyes on the Chiefs, but I was born in Kansas City. This has been like since birth. You've had a good run then. Yeah, you've been really. I know.

You've been a big winner. All right, is Patrick gonna be, is his Patrick ankle okay? Yeah, the ankle injury. I mean, it feels like this ankle has been plaguing us for years. It just always seems like something's up with it and he works through it. So I'm trying not to be too worried and just,

I mean, he posted, here's the thing. He posted something to Instagram story today So I just feel like if you're making a post You're happy that right can't be that bad. Yeah, right. Do you believe the conspiracy theory that? It's the ankle the ankle thing is on purpose because almost Except for one time every time his ankle has been injured, the Chiefs have won a Super Bowl. So I did start to think like, I'm like, oh, you do like, maybe it is a good move to do the ankle thing to then make other teams

think you're more vulnerable and then hit them with your best stuff. But that would just mean there's like so much theater. Yeah, he's a performer. He is performing. We really have so much other stuff like plays to learn. Yeah. That I just don't know.

In his acting career. Okay, gotcha. I recently saw you talk about your Beavis and Butt-Head break in character during that skit and I went and watched it and I don't think I have laughed harder. I think it is so funny when y'all break character. I know it's probably like looked down upon. I'm sure you try your hardest not to do that. You take pride in not doing that, but it was so funny.

Thank you. Yeah, I don't even think it's looked down upon from what I can tell, cause it always gets such a warm response. But I know I definitely was being a little too method about it before breaking like that. I just felt like I couldn't. I was just like, I have a job to do. It's to be in character and be funny, but never show that I think something's wrong. When you have moments like that, that the audience does love so much,

the powers that be, did they embrace it? Or do you sometimes, do you guys get like a talking to afterwards where it's just like, how do you guys navigate the breaks versus like not doing what you're not supposed to do type of thing? I mean, I, because that was my first time, I was really scared and I was scared of what Lauren would think because also when I was like, I left

the sketch and I was like, Oh, that was crazy that I laughed. And then I started to think about it. I was like, I think I laughed for a long time. I think I wasted time on this, you know, cause every minute really counts every second, you know, you're trying to get as many sketches in. So I was like, I wonder if I'm going to get in trouble. And then I saw him like between sketches and he smiled at me and I was get in trouble. And then I saw him like between sketches and he smiled at me and I was like, okay. And then I actually don't know because I don't make a habit out of it.

I feel like he would be able to tell if someone was using it as a crutch and if it bothered him, I'm sure he'd be like, come on. We love to ask our guests what they're passionate about. And one of the things you wrote about being passionate about is being an overstimulated adult. Yes. Can you talk more about that, please?

Okay, well, I don't know if I'm passionate about it. I don't know if I'm enjoying it, but I will say in life right now, I find I'm so aware that I'm in a moment with my work, especially it being the 50th season of SNL. I'm at a, I'm already at a job that's unpredictable. This season is more unpredictable week to week. Like it was an election season.

We have, you know, alumni and special guests stopping by every week. It's just like, just being on a roller coaster, that part of it. And then just in life, wanting to live a full and exciting life and like connect with my friends and family. And I just feel like lately I'm very aware of that.

Like everything I'm doing is like nonstop. There's people around me all the time, you know? Like, I'm just like, I think I'm in that point where I'm trying to like juice everything out of life, but I might be doing it wrong. Cause I think you also need to like, just sit with your cat and stare at a Christmas tree and be quiet too.

It's like after I feel like we record here, obviously it's a lot of talking and then I get home and our babysitter has like the Alexa playing some like Disney song really loud and I'm like So it's weird it's like one of those things that like yeah I just know exactly what you mean because whether it's like a friend a partner anything when I come home and someone says anything to me, I'm like, um, I don't want to be looked at or talked to or engaged with or even complimented in any way for at least 25

minutes. And that's not even that's not even me. Like I'm a sensitive person who likes connection, love and effusiveness and the fact that something's happened in my life where now I have to have that boundary, it's crazy. When you are trying to unwind, are you watching a lot of Bravo and a lot of Housewives? Yeah, and guys, I don't even know if that's the right thing to do anymore either. It's not calming.

Yeah, it's not calming at this point. It's overstimulating. It's my only. Yeah, it's not calming at this point. It's overstimulating. It's my only frame of reference in the zeitgeist now. I'm like, there's a lot of good movies out and I'm in entertainment and, you know, would possibly want to be in these types of things. And I, I'm not watching them. I'm just watching Housewives.

Is it Salt Lake? Are you fully immersed? Are you caught up with Salt Lake? Yeah. Okay. Fully immersed. Yeah. Yeah. It's the best Housewives on television. Best show on television. I know, I had a friend who posted about it recently,

her name's Carolina, and she was like, it's so good, I'm taking notes. And she's like, just so she doesn't forget things. Where do you land on Brawin and Brittany in terms of new cast, and how do you feel about their kind of? Involvement in the new season I was really feeling Bronwyn because I was like whoa she's doing like a masterful job at like talking about people but in admitting when she does and then also

When someone like when they roll the tape I'm like I, I agree with this. Like someone brought up something about Lisa and she was like, hey, that would suck if that happened, but I've never had that experience. And so I was just, I was like, I'm on board with this. And I was finding it also really impressive how much green time she was getting. And like, I'm like, she's doing a good job being a housewife.

Lately, I'm a bit exhausted. Like, I don't know how close you were to Lisa before. So maybe I'm not seeing it. But I'm just like, I would be exhausted if I were Lisa after that trip. It's like, yeah, the whole rooms situation. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, Lisa had drink. I'm learning. I find entertaining and hosting like to be a passion of mine as well. And I learned stuff from Lisa.

I'm like, if I ever take friends on a trip, like the fact that every bar they rolled up to the drink was already ready. No one was waiting. Like, yeah, let's let the trip play out Bronwyn before you start complaining. Well, even then I agreed with her room assignments. I thought it made the most sense as how Lisa did everything. So it was like to do a whole 20 minute breakdown of like how you're upset when you got a suite

in a beautiful villa right next door. What are we, what are we upset about? A hundred percent. And she would have been upset in the other ones. She would have found a way. Yeah. My room's too close to Heather. Where did you stand on high body count hair and hornish vibes?

Yeah, I just feel like Britney is a conundrum because you know. I love her so much. She is living a life. She is. For sure. It's a choice. That I'm fully on board with, like do your thing, you know, but the fact that you kind of have to hide

behind religion. I think she's an actress and I think she's acting a lot and I can just tell. I don't know if you saw, but she did an interview recently in her voice. It was Watch What Happens Live. Her voice is a lot deeper. She talks different. So people are saying that her appearance on the show in the after show is like a character. I believe it.

I think so. She was a Disney cast member. She was like at Orlando doing Disney stuff. It was in a Christmas movie called the, I think Missile Tones. Yes. For your knowledge. Yes, she was.

I'm obsessed with her character on the show, if it's that. The only really hard part I have with her is like every once in a while, we're reminded that she just casually throws out that like, yeah, my kids aren't speaking to me because of my last thing. And it's just like such an afterthought for her, like her children not to be speaking with her. And all I want for Brittany is for her to only care about is reconnecting with her

kids. And she seems way more interested in everything else. Jared Osmond's Instagram stories. Yeah. Yeah. I also feel like the kids thing is something you could just so casually not bring up because, you know, none of us are really gonna be sensitive to that given the other context that's going on. I'm like, yeah. Right, we could have had Brittany

without knowing that she has yet. Yeah, she could have just been like, I don't wanna talk about my kids, not just casually throwing out with a photo included of like, these are my kids, they don't talk to me. No, no, it's the making an announcement. I have an announcement. It wasn't even her first announcement though.

That was not on the list of her announcements. That was like down there. Jared Osmond was the first on her announcements. And then it was her kids on her announcements, which was insane. Is she trying to convince us that her and Jared haven't slept together? Is that actually a thing?

Yeah, that's what she said at the dinner table while showing off crotchless panties. I just find it fascinating that she's trying to convince us that, yeah, she's first trying to convince us that they haven't slept together, and then she's yelling at the rest of the ladies that she can do whatever she wants behind closed doors.

It was like, yeah, no, for sure. But like, just say, just admit it, you had sex. What happened? Was Heather in this last episode all that much? She was ordering the drinks at the table. Yeah, Heather was actually kind of out of the drama this episode. Who out of the Salt Lake cast do you think

would make the best SNL host? I think Meredith would be like too woke and too aware. Actually, so not her. Lisa, because Lisa's unaware. I think she'll just do so. She'll lean in. If you say it'll be popular or- Lisa's monologue could change lives.

Not that that's what we do, but that's the best kind of host where it's just like everything, nothing's off limits. Like when we had Kim Kardashian, I think we were all, you know, she's just like a big deal in the world. And so all of us, I think, and, and in the new, like, there were just a lot of stories about her out there. And so you're just kind of like, Oh God, I've got to don't let something fly out of my mouth.

And she came in and she just totally put everyone at ease by just saying like, everything is on the table. And I feel like that's how Lisa would be. Yeah. Has there been anyone that you've kind of like channeled throughout your skits from any of the Housewives? Like have you taken any inspiration from anyone? You know what's interesting is recently,

two weeks ago I did a character on update. It was mom whose son just got famous. Yes, that was incredible. And I was due, there was a way that I was flipping my hair and I was like, from the time I did it at table read to then on the show, every rehearsal I did it, I was like, I am, who am I being right now? This hair thing, what am I doing?

Who is this? And I was like, I know it's a housewife, but it's like, I was watching, I was completely caught up that week. I was like, I could not figure out what housewife I'm doing, what is going on. And then my friend texted me like a day later and she was like Oh, like I was watching mama dookie and the way you're flipping your hair is

Mia from Potomac Weird how that just gets in you, you know, yeah watching her every week Is there a housewife who has hosted or I don't think so gets in you, you know, just from watching her every week. Yeah. Is there ever been a housewife who has hosted or? I don't think so. No, no, I don't even think we've had one like gas just pop in. Talk to Lauren. I think it is time.

Yeah. Have you, have you caught up with Southern Charm? Southern Charm. I'm like, I have like 10 minutes left of the most recent episode, but I'm at the the horse thing right now. Like, and I've caught I you know, I know what's happening. Are you sad that JT is not going to be on next season? Or are we so glad over him? I never really got his character or why we even brought him into the franchise in the first but like it just Felt like something to kind of like shit on Austin or cause drama, but I'm like those guys create enough drama

like I actually feel like every time I've tried to bring in a dude like Pringle or it's Like I don't know like Craig often and shop got enough Yeah, but and then you throw Whitney in there every once in a while to throw spice up a little something. I forgot about him Yeah, yeah, who would he terrifies me? He's amazing television him telling Molly that she shouldn't eat the cupcake Oh my god was like The most insane yeah, that was right. I said it was just so yeah You probably have ten minutes left, but he was like you probably insane thing. And the way he said it was just so, yeah, you probably have 10 minutes left,

but he was like, you probably shouldn't eat that. And it was jarring. Ms. Pat was mad. Nick and I don't really understand the Ms. Pat of it all. It's kind of giving the Lisa Vanderpump of Vanderpump, just kind of someone who pops in and out and you don't really understand their character. Isn't Whitney like a producer on the show?

Whitney's an executive producer and I think creator of the show and then Miss Pat is his mom. So she's just. I love having her there. She's wonderful. Like Southern royalty. Yeah.

But how did he get to be the creator? Like what, he just had this idea. He pitched the idea. Yeah, me and my friends. Bring a camera around, see what happens. And then they shot a pilot and Bravo picked it up. Have you guys been watching since the beginning of Southern Term? I have some of us die hard.

I just started the beginning because I, I probably started two seasons ago and just started whatever current it was. And I thought it was entertaining. And then my friend Amanda was like, go back and watch from the start because even how it started is so different. It's just about these Southern gentlemen. And also I think that first season,

so I thought that was crazy, but Thomas Rabinot and Catherine, that first season, I'm like, they couldn't have gotten better TV. That was wild. The fact that he went on thinking it was gonna help his political career and then he got like a 21 year old, it's perfect.

Oh, and it keeps going. It's so good. Their storyline for the next like four seasons after that is just like mayhem. But I love all of the shows that are like Southern Charm, Vanderpump Rules, Summer House, like I like where and it's just like an eclectic group of people just bringing their stuff, but it's not,

oh, we dug up things about each other. It's like, no, this is literally what happened last weekend and we're just talking about it. That's a good question. Like what do you think their storyline is gonna be this season? Cause it really seems light on storyline so far. It's just like JT handing out canes and delusion.

Yeah, I'm like, well, Madison is just a great TV maker in general, but I'm like, we've got JT and his conspiracy theories, we've got. But that's what I'm saying, we've got a bunch of little nothing burgers, little appetizers, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, but there's no main, we really counted on Taylor and Olivia last season to kind of the big drama.

I feel like there's always some kind of big thing that's weighing on the group that. Someone has multiple girlfriends, who was it, was it? They were talking about it in the bus. Austin? Oh, they're saying that Austin shares on his girlfriend, but I think we're gonna have a lot of stuff coming up with Taylor, Gaston, and Shep, and his new love interest

that does not seem interested. He's a fan of the show. Heidi, did you follow Vanderpump rules at all? Yeah. Have you kept up with the latest news on some of its cast members that happened over the past week? Any thoughts, feelings?

A lot has happened, right? Well yeah, well we have James, turns out total piece of shit. Yeah, we ran into him that night. Oh, we were at that party. Turns out. Yeah. And then Tom Sandoval. Well, did you hear about his the post from last night? That drama? Yeah.

So she posted something that basically was like, yes, he's a cheater. But then just a little bit ago, she was we have something new. Yeah, we actually don't even have do we have the update breaking news? Well, it's like an We have something new, yeah, we actually don't even have, do we have the update? Breaking news? Well, it's like an hour ago or something. Oh, yeah. She, sadly, sadly, I think Tom Sandoval got to her. No. She was typing it as if he was holding a gun to her head.

She writes, I would like to sincerely apologize for my previous post. Yeah, Tom's standing over her. I had a true misjudgment in a situation. Okay? Tom did not do anything. From my own personal trauma and experience hearing false accusations about him all the time clouded my judgment and got the best of me. Please respect him and know he's actually being the most supportive partner. The internet can be harsh and sometimes I'm learning about how to block out the noise.

This is why I hate this so much is like, this is the truest form of him not being a man. Say all of this is true. Say she got something totally wrong. Like why put her on blast even more? Like he has done, he is, he's not redeemable at this point. He should know, he's tried so many different things. And it's like to put her in this vulnerable spot

of being like, I was the shit head and he's the best. Like once again, he doesn't care about her. Like, and he just cares about himself. It's just, oh, just walk away from everything, dude. I know, I wanna see him just like, on like an island selling time shares, you know? Yeah. Like I feel like that would be his place.

At least for a bit and then come back into a space. If you need it, if you're driven by that. And staying on like a beach bar, you know? It's, I don't know, just like for summer at least. I don't know. We had Ego on a while back and we very much picked her brain on all things SNL. I do wanna know if there's a favorite sketch of yours

that did not make it into final cuts. I did one last season. We did it a couple of times. We kept trying to get it on me and a couple of the writers, Jimmy and Kira, where it was just like a Miami Dolphins cheerleader calendar shoot or something very contrived. But I was just this really cocky cheerleader

who had just gotten extensions before the shoot and was very proud of my hair. And then once they turned on the fans, they all started flying out, very obvious. But the hair was hitting the other cheerleaders in the face. Like just the image of like just people getting mass of hair was very fun. But all that technical stuff and the effects and the fans and the different angles, like, it never quite made sense.

And like where I was, my mark was, and where the hair was actually blowing up. You rewatch the sketch, it's like, thank God the sketch didn't make sense. But we tried really hard, it was very fun. You worked in a salon for nine years. I did, yep. Were you doing hair, or were you like,

you were, wow. I was doing hair, I was doing extensions. It was like early to mid 2000's where I was like, yeah, you were, wow. I was doing hair, I was doing extensions. It was like early to mid 2000s where I was like, or when like the LA extensions were real big, so. Have any of your old clients been like, hey girl, remember, you used to do hair? Yes, I'll have them, I mean, it's funny when I first told, the first client I ever told that I was leaving the salon, not

even for Austin Elle, I just was going to start pursuing sketch comedy more seriously. I said I'm leaving the salon and she was like, oh, where if it's like less than 10 miles, I'll come to that salon. And I was like, oh no, I'm leaving the industry. And she was like, to do what? And I said, I didn't even know how to say it because I was like, Oh, no, I'm leaving the industry and she was like, to do well, and I said, I didn't even know how to say because I was like, I'm not an actor. I've just been taking improv classes. I didn't know how to say that is an actor. But um, I was like, Oh, to pursue comedy. And she was like, Are you funny? Perfect. And actually, she I

haven't heard from her. But've heard from a lot of other ones that are just like, it is, and actually one of what's so weird is when I was auditioning for SNL, a young woman whose hair I had done in LA, like who was in college at the time and she would come see me on her breaks. She ended up being one of the people in the talent department at SNL. So like she texted me when I was about to fly to New York for my SNL audition and I saw her name pop up Rebecca and I was like oh my gosh I never told Rebecca that I had left the salon you know she's probably asking for her color this weekend and I

opened the text and she was like, Hey, I work at F and L now. I saw your showcase. I'm going to be at your audition. What is going on? And I was like, well, what's going on with you? Like you work at F and L now? So we're both there now and we're just like, Oh my God. Like I cut her parents hair. Like it's just her parents. Yeah. That's a great story. And like I would a cool moment to like reflect back and think about.

Because like you said, it's just like when you told that whoever that customer was, like what you were doing, you know, there's probably a level of like, am I really doing this? When you say it out loud, it's like, it's crazier. When you sit in your head, you're like, I'm gonna take a shot on myself. I'm gonna bet on me.

But you did it. Like you did it and now you're where you're at. And head, you're like, I'm gonna take a shot on myself, I'm gonna bet on me. But you did it, like you did it, and now where you're at, and it's such a cool story for all the people out there who have a dream or wanna bet on themselves, and everyone tells them, you know, right, cause you tell your friends, and everyone's like, yeah, sure, great. It's so scary to follow your dreams, and it's so scary to take a risk,

and I think a lot of people tell you to not try because they don't have the guts to try themselves. So for you to be able to do that and look back is a really cool story. I have to say for as many people as were the ones who were like, are you funny? There were also my big brother or some of my best friends that were like, hey, I've been waiting for you to do this your whole life.

Like, please, like, you know, my brother paid for my first improv classes. Or, and that was such a help to me because I think I was definitely like, I know I'm funny, like I'm good at prank calls or, you know, funny at a party. But like, I didn't know how to, and I can quote movies, but I didn't know how to, and I can quote movies, but I didn't know how to equate that. So to just have those people that were like, just take the class or, my boss, Deanna at the salon, she didn't necessarily fire me,

but she did take me out to lunch and was like, stop doing hair. And I was like, but I rent the space and I know that you and the owner of the salon, you know, I rent the space and like, you know, I know that, you know, you and the owner of the salon, like you depend on that rent. They're like, she was like, we'll be fine. You do not belong here anymore. Like I needed that to.

That's awesome. Do you remember your first night on Saturday Night Live that you were performing and what that was, what that experience was like? I do kind of, I remember the first sketch that I went out on. I was in two live sketches. I did the first sketch that I went out on I was in two live sketches. I did the first one and I mean I just I had a a line like you know they served me like some spaghetti and I think I was like looks wonderful and like I got through it yes um and then the

second one seemed a little more challenging and I think I was like watching like it was me and my husband out at like some sort of performance or like a cabaret or something. And I whatever was happening on the stage, I think I was supposed to be like, what are they doing? And just a very simple line. And the thing at off and L is we have cue cards. And that's awesome. And all you have to do is look at the cue cards. But I came from performing at the groundlings where we memorized everything. And it was just like, it's not that hard to memorize.

What are you doing? But I, or what are they doing? But I had probably said it 2000 times that day. Just what are they doing? In so many different ways. And then I did kind of flub that line. And so, because I just, And so I tried too hard. I just couldn't look at the card.

Any big plans for the holidays? What do you, what does Heidi do during the holiday season? I am going to go back to Kansas City. I'll do family stuff. And then I'm also, I'm going to throw a holiday party flash white elephant with my friends. And I'm really excited about the white elephant because any white elephant I've done before

has had so many rules around it. So when I send everyone the invite white elephant at my place, everyone's like, okay, well, what's the limit? What's the this, that I'm like, no rules. My dream would be that there's like cool stuff that there's a dollar that's like worth a dollar. And then that also someone like throws in like a $20,000 gift and I get to watch people go, they'd like betray each other.

Like I look. The tension is what makes White Elephant the best, I think. Yeah, it's like no one. I wanna see what gifts people. Yeah, I want to see what gets people. Yeah, no one's stealing the phone case from the clip on selfie light ring, you know? Yeah. Unless it's some random nostalgic case that has a quote on it that two people are going to fight.

Like, I just want people to bring it. What are you going to bring? Like my friend last night, Michelle, who's going to be there, she's my friend since second grade. She was showing me some, first of all, she was like, let me show you what I'm getting for the white elephant. And I was like, well, I'm playing too.

I don't wanna see it. And she was like, oh, well, it's a camp. And I was like, all right, fine, let me see the candle. And she was like, so I was thinking about doing this candle. And then she was like, I was gonna throw in toilet paper and she was faced. And I was like, no. then she was like, I was gonna throw in like, you know, toilet paper and toothpaste. And I was like, no. Why not? And it was like, toilet paper and toothpaste, but no one's gonna fight over it. She was like,

that could be something that home that someone doesn't have right now. Then they don't have to go out to the store and get and like, we finally came to a compromise. So I was like, it can't just be toilet paper. And if it's in a comfy thing, something else. There's gotta be a diptyque candle involved. Yeah. I mean, at least make it flushable wipes, you know? If they're gonna.

So it's like, yeah. I feel like the rule with the gag gift is like, you get like one nice thing and then the dumbest thing you can possibly think of and pair it with each other. And like, so then you have to fight over the stupid thing for the nice thing. Yes. Yeah.

100%. Do you have your feeling feminine when work makes you feel masculine? What do you mean by that, Heidi? I'm curious. Well, I just feel like, I don't know, at this point in my life, actually all I want, and I think I have this decision

fatigue in general, you know, whether it be like getting food at the end of the day, there's too many options, or I just want to be told what to do because I work in a place where oftentimes like me and and other people are generating our own content, thinking of ideas every single week, thinking of what's funny, what character, how to fix it, how to produce it, what wig I'm gonna wear, what wardrobe, making decisions, decisions, decisions. My dream would just be that I'm just being told what to... Actually, I have a coach that's just like, here's what you eat.

Here's what you watch. Here's what's going to make you feel good. All of these things, which then it, but it's really hard to do because I've created this life for myself where it's like, I know what I want. I know how to get it. I know this contact. I know that, you know, but I, when I can fully surrender and when I just feel like other people are doing that, I think it feels the best. And there's other ways to feel feminine too. But that, the surrender feels great. Any holiday tips or tricks that you swear by that you feel like everyone else is doing

it wrong, but it's like a holiday life hack. I do think as you get older, maybe adults get over gifts a little bit. Like we're just kind of like, well, I can get what I want. Or yeah, everyone can get what they want and no one really needs anything anymore. But I do think there's still something about special about Christmas. I think a good gift is really special. Like I think if you're like forcing it and trying to get something for everyone, but like this is all to say gifts I think are still important and special.

Other like little things though, are like things I'm gonna do. I just recently, I had this when I was out and then I did it at a party. I had caviar and I got the caviar and the creme fraiche. But instead of serving it on my bellinis or whatever people typically do, I just got it ripped. And that was a big hit, really good caviar and rip.

Ooh. I just had a woman who's like, she was the interior designer at my house and she's like so chic and, you know, just creates amazing spaces. And she said, whenever you're putting flowers in a vase, instead of trying, she said do the same thing in each face, a flower.

Don't try to be a florist and like make your own arrangement with multiple flowers that'll look better and shicker with the laces that are right in the middle. All in any post-it tip. We love that. That is good. I do feel like I'm always like, oh, well if I mix the hydrangeas with the roses,

it'll give, and then I'm like, oh, that looks like shit. Looks like shit, and we don't have all the things to put in the bottom of the base where you can like stick it in. Oh, yeah. Like, we don't, we're not florists. We're not florists.

We're just girls. We're just not. Yeah. Just girls that wanna be girls. Do you have a dream host that you've pitched that you just are hoping to get on, not reality TV related, just anyone in general that you're just really hoping eventually can host

so that you can work with them? Or whether maybe it's because you like them or don't like them, but whatever the reason, do you have a dream guest? Oh yeah, well I have a couple. I mean, not to be greedy because I already got Travis Kelce, so I've already gotten a chief, but I like when athletes host because I think it's very unpredictable and typically no one's expecting them to do a great job.

So if they do, it's like, it's kind of a win-win. Yeah, if it's a lose-lose, it's fine because that's not your job. Like it's in you were still cute to do this. But I would like Patrick Mahomes too, because I just think he's a chief too. And I would, I love LeBron James and I would love him too, but Catherine O'Hara is. She has, that seems crazy that she hasn't hosted before. And Martin Short's, how many times has Martin Short hosted?

Maybe like multiple. More than five, I think. need to get all the SCTP people. Yeah. She hosted in 1992. The last time she hosted was 1991 and 1992. Okay well they need to get her back. Home Alone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's Jits Creek. Like, that's wild. Yeah. Beetlejuice too? Beetlejuice? Yeah. Yeah, she'd be great. Absolutely.

If you had to put together, like, an all-time SNL starting five of cast members, who would be in that? Okay. Eddie Murphy, Terry O. Terry, Maya Rudolph, Kyle Mooney, and Dana Carvey. Incredible. That is good. Is Dana Carvey like, he's on, is he just working there now again? Well, I hope so.

He's on so much. I have no idea what his contract is at all, but I will say, you know, him and Eddie Murphy were the first two people I ever saw on SNL all that and all and just like two of my comedic heroes. And having Dana be a part of the show this season. Not only was it just cool for that reason, but he is so funny. He's so nice. I've learned so much just watching him about just continuing to just remain like silly and I don't know sometimes we get up our own asses even though it's like sketch

comedy and it's all supposed to be funny like you'll find yourself in these periods where you're taking it so seriously and you're holding on so tight to your sketch and these characters and like I'll watch Dana in rehearsals. And he is, he is just making funny faces. Which just seems so stupid, but it is effective. You know, he's like, just kind of opening his eyes a little wider. People are laughing. It just reminds me that it's like, oh yeah,

I don't just have to be like, so in character and have this perfect character voice and point of view. Like, I can make a face and get a laugh. Yeah. So that's like kind of the first thing that makes you laugh in life is when you're a baby and someone like makes a funny face. It's like, yeah, it's funny. His Jennifer Coolidge made me laugh. I know. So hard.

It was incredible. And he's just being dumb. Yeah, it's just stupid. But it's like the smartest, stupid thing in the world. It's it's incredible. Yes. And also knowing like, sometimes also when you're asked to do an impression, you become more of a perfectionist. You're like, I have to get this so right. And it's like Dana knows first off, he's a man.

He's not a woman. He's doing Jennifer Coolidge. He doesn't like anything like girls. So when he puts on this wig and all this pink, he's gonna look awful. He's just leaning into all of it. Like everything that we see, he's not insecure about it. He's just like, I am gonna be on 11 with this. Speaking of Jennifer Coolidge, I'm assuming she won't be in season three, but they just dropped the White Lotus season three trailer. White Lotus season three.

Did you watch the first two seasons? So I watched the first season, loved it. I started the second season, but it was like just a busy time in life, so I need to go back. But I'm excited and I'm excited. I just saw like, I didn't see the trailer, but I saw some memes of just like Parker Posey. Yeah, I'm so excited to see Parker Posey in the show.

She's gonna kill it. That was good. Heidi, this has been so much fun. Thank you so much for taking the time on your very busy schedule. Happy holidays. Enjoy Kansas City. I hope the Packers meet the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

That'd be great. Me too. Yeah, that'd be fun. Like a Super Bowl one rematch or something like that. You know, it'd be great. Super fun for us. Thank you for taking the time. We really appreciate it. Thank you guys.

Thank you. Bye bye. Take care. Bye. So fun. It's great. How could it just our SNL street cred just going up? Oh, this is my dream. This is incredible.

To geek out with Heidi Gardter about Dana Carvey. Also just found out a little fact that Catherine O'Hara was casted in season six of Saturday Night Live, but never filmed an episode because she left to be on a Canadian sketch show. SCTV, Second City Television with Catherine O'Hara, Eugene, Levy, Martin Short was on it,

Rick Moranis, incredible, incredible TV show. Wow, that's a star-studded cat. It is, if you're ever like feeling down, just pull up some YouTube, SCTV videos. I'm gonna, as soon as we get done, watch that Daniela Carvey, Jennifer Coolidge impression. It's Ariana Grande, Chloe Feynman, and Dana Carvey all are doing Jennifer Coolidge impressions. It's the dumbest thing in the world, it's incredible.

Wow, so good. He also did Church Lady again as a gold open. I saw that. I did see that. That's my dad's favorite sketch. Shocker. Yeah. That's a good sketch.

It's iconic. All right, well that'll do it for us today. Meredith Mars is with us tomorrow for Going Deeper. Hold on to your butts. See you tomorrow, bye. Bye. Bye.