The Viall Files - E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! The Ultimatum reunion has taken place, and we welcome Aria for a deep dive! Is she still with Scotty, we ask? The answer is unclear! Meanwhile, we get into Natalie’s beef with Uber Eats, Sophia Colpa and Alix Earl drama during Vibes vs Stats, Aaron Rodgers throwing strays at the Bachelorette, James Kennedy’s pathetic excuse of an Instagram “apology,” RHOBH, and more!  “Scotty, if you’re listening…” OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Huggies - Learn more at https://www.huggies.com Wonderful Pistachios - Visit https://www.WonderfulPistachios.com to learn more SkyLight Frames - Get $20 off your purchase of a Skylight Frame when you go to https://SkylightFrame.com/FILES  Sundays For Dogs - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://sundaysfordogs.com/VIALL or use code VIALL at checkout. FirstLeaf - Go to https://TryFirstleaf.com/VIALL to sign up and you’ll get your first SIX handpicked bottles for just $44.95. goodr - Goodr is offering Viall Files listeners $5 OFF your first order! Just go to https://goodr.com/VIALL  Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (07:49) - James Kennedy (15:40) - Household Headlines (32:18) - Vibes VS Stats(39:31) - Christmas Plans(43:18) - The Ultimatum (51:17) - Aria Interview (01:28:58) - More Ultimatum (01:42:48) - RHOBH (01:53:49) - Outro Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @aria_dewestbrooks @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @the_mare_bare @dereklanerussell

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Oh my God. I mean. No, of course not. I'm pissed. Oh my God. Me? No, of course not. Thank God. I'm pissed. Why? Because last night, Nick went out to dinner with his manager and- Way to work dinner.

Way to work dinner. Talked about your guys' future. Love that. Is it bright? Yeah. Wait, do we love that? Your future's bright. Oh, woo!

I hope, I don't know. Like, hey, we're in it together, sink or swim. Anyways, sorry, now he's pissed. Back to Nellie. So that means I'm on my own for supper and- Yeah, did you order like a together sink or swim. Anyways, sorry, now he's pissed. Back to Nellie. So that means I'm on my own for supper. And... Yeah, did you order like, go ahead. I am curious about this because I was like, what happened here last night? Well, yeah. And so I'm, you know, also on my own with River's nighttime routine,

which that's no big deal. But you know, it's like, when should I order food? The chef went to dinner with his manager. Well, no, it's just hard to take care of a baby and cook yourself supper. You know, I only have two hands. So, and she does not really allow me to put her down. I know she allows you to put her down, but anyways. So, so I, yeah, I was like trying to map out like, okay,

when should I order? I was like, I'll do Thai food from our place, Sierra. And then I was like, I don't want that. I said, you know what? I'm gonna get my favorite pizza that Nick doesn't love. So I never really get it from Roberta's. There's one like right down the street. And I like, I'm like, this will be super quick, you know?

It'll, I can put it in the oven and heat it up. this will be super quick, you know, it'll, I can put it in the oven and heat it up so once River is down, you know, for the night, I can enjoy my pizza, whatever. Type in Roberta's, click on Roberta's, 60 minutes. And I'm like, they must be busy, but I'm like, okay. Honestly, that gives me like enough time to do everything. That'd be great. Order $80 later for a pizza and a little salad, you know,

they've got the tip, they've got the tax, they've got the delivery fee, they've got the fucking, everything. So it ended up being $70, $80, like so expensive. And I'm like, okay. I'm gonna take your Christmas present back. Hope you enjoyed that pizza. You have to take my Christmas present back because my dinner was so expensive. Yeah. And so. You didn't have to eat $80 dinner was expensive. Yeah, and so. You didn't have to eat $80 dinner, no, I'm just kidding. No, truly.

I finally get River to bed and I go to look at my pizza because I'm like, what, seriously? Okay, what is taking so long? Because it is close by. It sent me the one from Culver City, the one 45 an hour away. Oh, I order from them sometimes. Why would you do that?

There's one 10 minutes from me. Why would they show me the one that's an hour away from me? That's so stupid. Isn't that insane? Is that an iPhone problem? Is that a GPS problem? No, that's an Uber Eats problem. No, it's a Postmates Uber Eats problem

because I've had that happen to me. DoorDash doesn't do that shit. I've ordered from Erawan and it's sent in from Pacific Palisades and I was like, in what world? Why? DoorDash would never do that. But it normally shows up, the air one, the same picture. So it's like, you just click on it

because you've ordered it 10 minutes away. And then it's like, why would you not put the one that's closest to me? So at what point did you order John and Vinny's? I didn't order John and Vinny's. Oh, that was from the night before. That was from when Joe and Serena were at the house. Oh yeah, I forgot, okay.

Yeah, no, I. I was like, how many things did you eat? Once I realized it was already too late, he was on his way, he was getting on the 405 at six o'clock. And I'm like, well, this is she eat? Once I realized it was already too late. He was on his way. He was getting on the 405 at six o'clock. And I'm like, well, this is going to be a disaster. So I finally got my soggy salad and my cold pizza. And it was just...

That's a long... As someone who has to do that drive every single day, that's an hour drive. I was pissed. And I also felt really bad for the delivery driver because... It's miserable. I only tipped him $5 because I was like, this is an hour drive. I was pissed. And I also felt really bad for the delivery driver because I only tipped him $5 because I was like, this is an easy drive. Five minutes from this place. Like I'm close, it's easy. And he had to sit in traffic.

The 10 is stopped. That's called a refund. Why they didn't even allow you to order some. That's what I'm saying. If there's one close to me, why show me the one that's so far away? That's awful for everyone involved. A thousand percent.

Yeah, like some places would be like, no, you're too fucking far. Yeah, literally, you're too far. That's just, one, inhumane to do that to you. Two, inhumane to do that to the driver. DoorDash is like, sorry, that's crazy. Yeah. DoorDash, it's like if it's 15 or 20 minutes away, they're like, no! Yeah.

On a level. They seem a little bar. Yeah. Even like old school delivering, like when you like would call the store and get it delivered, it's like they had like a five block radius. They have a range. Dominoes will tell you to fuck off. Show me the range. So I was in a bad mood and then I was before all of that happened, before I realized, you

know, I'm like, River, we haven't shown her any sort of TV or anything like that. We've honestly tried to do it on airplanes and she's been not interested, but I was like, how fun would it be to like get in the bed and put on Dumbo, like the original Dumbo and like watch a movie with her. And it was so sweet and so cute and she loved it. And then she definitely was-

Wait, Rob Minkoff really had an impression on you. He did, I trusted him, you know? We asked Rob Minkoff what movie. She's only watching Dumbo now because of Rob. No, I just asked, it was the first movie you allowed your kids to watch. And he said Dumbo. And so I was like, great. And she was into it and she was interested. And then I gave her that bottle and she was like, I'm done, mom.

I'd like to go to bed. She's done, Beau. Damn. Damn. So yeah, that was my night last night. I am so sorry. You had to deal with all that. It's okay. And I am almost out of ranch,

which don't even give me a start. I did ask them for ranch, they put no ranch in the bag, and then I only have a couple squirts. And then I came home, and now they didn't hear me, walked into the bedroom, and she thought I was there to kill her. Y'all know I have intruder syndrome. Yeah.

You thought he was the killer. And the night before, I woke up in the middle of the night because I was like, are our windows locked? Like in River and the Guest, but, and I had to get up and I had to make sure everything was locked. Then Nick had left my car unlocked, which that triggers a whole new anxiety. So then I had to like read my book to fall back asleep.

So then last night I don't hear, we have like the passcode on our door, you know? And I don't hear that. I just hear Nick's little boot heels clicking through the thing with a flashlight. And I'm like, I guess it's because I don't want to wake up my baby. So he had his phone flashlight on and I'm in bed and I go, Nick. He's trying to be courteous.

And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, Jesus, I thought it was someone trying to kill me. She's already reaching for a fireplace poker. Literally. And then I was like, do you want to have a sec? And I'm like, yeah. Yeah, you definitely did not ask that. Uh.

Come at me like that. Yeah, I mean, if anyone is waking up out of the dead of their sleep and performing, props to them. There was, after thinking you're gonna get killed, props to them. Because then I wanted to talk about some ideas that I was talking about at dinner.

And I'm like, baby, you awake? She's like, no. So. Might we get out of here? Yeah, so that was my night. Anyway, well, the piece of shit loser that he is, James Kennedy, has issued a statement on his Instagram

stories that was set to expire for 24 hours, which is just disgusting. It's an insane thing. Like the notes, apologies right now. It feels like everyone and their mother is doing one literally. So like, and this is such serious things that you have been accused of. Like, why are we just like, ah, embarrassing statement by James. And he reads, he starts by saying,

"'I'm committed to making meaningful changes in my life.'" To what are you speaking about, James? Your physical abuse of women? Yeah. I don't know. Like, anyway. "'I'm taking time to focus on my sobriety.'" Oh, he's blaming the alcohol. Obviously.

So is he not, so he's not, he's saying that he doesn't consistently sober? He's a victim of his addiction. Because everyone who has an addiction results to domestic violence. I know a lot of people who drink. And I know a lot of people who sadly struggle with drinking too much alcohol, many of which, all of the people I know personally

that I'm friends with, don't beat their partners or pick them up and throw them or don't have a history of situations like that, James. It's just disgusting that he wanted to- No, no, no, the next part is the best. The next part's the best. Keep going. I'm taking time to focus on my sobriety,

personal growth and being present for my loved ones. Oh, that's the best. Keep going. I'm taking time to focus on my sobriety, personal growth, and being present for my loved ones. Oh, that's his problem. He's not present. No, no, the personal growth. The growth. Personal growth. He's gotta grow. He's gotta grow.

Yeah. He's an abuser, and he needs to grow from being an abuser. We're watching, we're recapping Vanderpump. We're on season five. Yes. And he's talking about his personal growth. And that was how many years ago? At some point you do in fact have to grow up

and you can't just continue this like growth. Yeah. It has to at some point actually take effect. He does want you to know that navigating challenging moments is not easy. Challenging moments that you created? Challenging moments of beating your partner. He really is going through it right now.

He wants you to know. That's an insane post. He's being challenged. You guys, we should feel sorry for Dave. But he is determined to learn. So. Thank Fog. Maybe this time.

Oh, and Grow. Of course. And most importantly for James, move forward with his incredible support system around him. That's most important to him is to move forward. Not an acknowledgement of how disgusting it is to hit your earth, throw your partner or whatever the fuck. I mean, James is the weakest of the men of Vanderpump

I've now come to realize. I mean, like James is one of those small humans and individuals that like clearly has a very large insecurity about who he is as a person and is easily triggered. And when he feels small, he takes it out on his girlfriends. 100%. And I'm also kind of like, the biggest cop out to me is this,

I am determined to learn and grow and move forward. And it's just kind of like, what about the people that you've done this to that have had to learn and grow and move forward on their own from the trauma that you've created, but like you're gonna sit here and I'm supposed to feel like something for you about you learning and growing. Like, do you need to learn at 30 something

that you don't hit your partner? Yeah, I would have liked to see James saying, hey, I wanna come on here, acknowledge what has been hard to, what I've been ignoring is that, I'm an abuser of women and I apologize not only to the person I currently abuse but all the people from my past

that this must be a very triggering and difficult time, one of which is a pregnant woman right now, Kristen Doty, who, yeah, it's really like after talking to you after all this, it's a shocking how much this has been kind of swept under the rug. No, it's crazy. And still being, where's Lisa Vanderpump?

Lisa? No comments. It's gross. I mean, all of them are at fault. Like the entire Bravo network for covering it up. There was clearly stuff that they edited out that they like. Yeah, I mean, you know, you got to assume that stuff going on,

but it's very easy to hold Lisa Vanderpump accountable. I definitely think it's a production company. And then I'm also like, I know Lisa has a hand in what the story is, right? And it's like, she doesn't like Kristen. Everybody now doesn't like Kristen. Kristen gets the worst at it.

But it's like the idea that we're gonna leave out context as to why Kristen did certain things to make it seem like she's the bad guy. When it's like, you knew what she was going through. That to me is sickening, let alone that we see a history of her protecting the men on this show, and then it's just throwing the women to the wolves.

What's so gross about this is because it's obviously a very sensitive topic and triggering for a lot of people. And I think just in general, like I think part of the reason why we like watching Re-iTV, not only just for the mess, but for the opportunity for people to make meaningful changes and show growth. And when people on these shows, every once in a while show that growth, it's kind of inspiring for us because I think we all kind of project our own problems when we watch

these characters and yada, yada, yada. And it's just, when it comes to domestic abuse, it's just one of those things that's never acknowledged enough. People are always trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the men who do these things. And the fact that this guy has been on this show for how many seasons and how many years, we're now coming to learn there's all these incidences.

And now you have this situation with Allie where the police report says he picked her up and threw her. Allie, if you haven't met her in person, is a very petite lady. And there's the fact that it's just like still kind of being swept under the rug. It just feels very much like no one's giving this

the attention it needs to be. And it's like James, I feel like he's getting away with it again in a way, almost. Other than Kristen, does anyone come out said anything? I think it's just Kristen and Rachel, unfortunately. Well, I know friends of some of the castmates have too. Jamie, friends of Sheena and Kristen, but I don't think any of the other cast members

or Lala was ride or die with James. I don't think she said anything or Sheena. Brittany Cartwright hasn't. Why hasn't? Why not? I don't think the majority of the cast has made a comment on it. I don't know how's said anything or she hasn't. Why hasn't, why not? I don't think the majority of the cast has made a comment on it. I don't know how close all these people are.

I know Lisa Vanderpump is very close with James. I know Lisa Vanderpump has mentored and been like a second mother to James. And I think she is complicit in this cover up of James's behavior. She's in a position of power. And for her to not say anything I don't want to put anyone else under like a

Under fire. Under fire because I don't know what they knew or how close they were. Or if they were working and you know But Lisa, I think it's gross that Lisa doesn't say anything. Yeah, no I agree. We have been seeing photos of Ali moving out though.

I know that's kind of all over the internet right now. Yeah, I think what I saw and and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think her family was coming to town to spend the holidays with them in their house. And then obviously all of this happened. And so they got an Airbnb, and she's staying with them. That's great. Yeah, I hope she feels supported,

and I hope she feels like she has a safe space within her family. And she doesn't have to go back to him, because I know in these situations, you do feel like that's your house, I hope she feels like she has a safe space within her family and she doesn't have to go back to him because I know in these situations you do feel like you, that's your house and that's where you've built a life and it can be hard to.

And you wanna believe in the best of them and you wanna blame it on the alcohol? Well they also say, yeah, I love you and I'm sorry and it'll never happen again and this is the only time, I'll never do this. If you're a man and you are capable of doing that, I don't care how fucked up you are. That just means you are more than capable of doing it.

There's some people, it's a non-negotiable, for most people, for most men. I don't care, you can be like, I don't understand this whole like I was drunk. Exactly, it's not an excuse, it's not a defense. Anyways, yeah, real disappointing, James. Fuck that guy. I hope you never work again.

You know how I was just talking about my intruder syndrome? Well, it definitely wasn't helped after reading Kristin Cavallari's story that she just talked about. It happened in 2020 during COVID. Her and her family were in Jamaica, I believe. It was like during COVID, they had like escaped, tried to be, you know, they were in a hotel and are in a like Airbnb rental property, whatever in Jamaica. And

she owns Uncommon James, which is a jewelry brand. And she had, you know, like she had unpacked, she had her jewelry, you know, kind of like laying out and, you know, I guess was easy to pick out what she was going to wear that day, whatever. And then their air conditioning had broken in their rental property. So they had called someone to come check it out. And that person clearly saw her jewelry, came back that same night and Kristin was in bed

with her son asleep. And she woke up to this man with a ski mask on and covered in black, crawling on the floor of her bedroom to get to her jewelry. And she woke up, she says, I was so obviously out of it because I had just woken up and I go, what the fuck are you doing? And this man stands up, runs out of the door

and you guys, he had a ski mask on, full black arms, black pants, the full thing. and I went, oh fuck, because Cam was in the bed with me. I didn't yell, I didn't scream. You think in these moments that that's what you do, but your instincts just kick in and I honestly felt like I was in Mission Impossible. Once I woke Jay up, then I got really nervous,

then I started to get really scared, I started shaking. Jay Cutler? This is when she was married to Jay Cutler, yeah. So Jay was in bed at the time? He wasn't in the bed with them. Maybe he was asleep on the couch or I don't know what, but she was in the bed with her son. And it's like once she went and told Jay what happened,

it had like hit her. And she said her kids to this day still don't know that that happened. But like, I think there is a lesson in there for everyone. Like hide your shit. Do not have your stuff out. You don't have anything. We're poor as fuck. that that happened. But like, I think that's a, there is a lesson in there for everyone. Like, hide your shit. Do not have your stuff out. Like, you don't have anything. We're poor as fuck. Well, it's just like when you go to hotels or like, you know, anyone you and you don't like you unpack and you have your stuff laying around and you trust that, you know, the housekeepers or

anyone who like comes in and out of your room that you trust them and you just never know. And so it's like, that is such, that triggers my anxiety so bad because I have nightmares of that happening to me all the time. Kudos to Kristen though, to keep it calm for your child. Right? In that moment? In that moment to not be like-

Fight or flight. Yeah. To think like I don't want my child to wake up and see this and be like scarred or have trauma. And think, like, I don't want my child to wake up and see this and be, like, scarred or have trauma. And, like, that's crazy. How does he, yeah, I'm glad that, you know, you'd be able to sleep forever. Fall back asleep?

Just, no. Yeah, I mean, I definitely, I don't know what I would do in that scenario. I think we all like to imagine, you know, what we do. We all watch these crime shows and these whatever's and you think, like, what would I do? You know, I've got some serious mama lion energy. I was gonna whatever's and you think like, what would I do? Nia's got some serious mama lion energy.

I was gonna say, do you think that your instincts change once you have a kid? Because it's like, now you're not thinking about just like being afraid for yourself. You're now like, I need to protect my child. Cause it reminds me of Dorit with the break-in and how she was like reasoning with the robbers about like my kids, please don't.

Yeah, I think definitely like once you have children, I mean, for me at least, the flight is no longer like an option. An option, yeah. It's like you're fighting for your kid's life for sure. Anything new from Tom and Victoria? Are they going strong? Are they back at it? See if she's back on the grid.

Her face is back on his Instagram feed. Oh, unarchived. She has been unarchived. Oh my God. They're going strong. She admitted she unarchived. Oh my God. They're going strong. She admitted she was wrong. And Tom forgave her. What's the speculation behind what happened here? That she insinuated that Tom cheated

with a friend or something, and that it was like whatever she posted was like, you guys were right, you knew, or you tried to tell me or something like that. And then she took a dump. They're filling the lines in a lot though. Yeah. Like it's just the fact that she said, you guys warned me, you're right. Like that's all she took it down. They're filling the lines in a lot though. Yeah. It's just the fact that she said,

you guys warned me, you're right. That's all she said. About his friends. And the people are running. I took it as he prioritizes his friends over his girlfriends. I took it as an insinuation that he was a cheater. Scandalous or what?

Scandalous. Just because of scandal. A tiger never changes his stripes. Yeah. You don't say that about like, he's hanging out with Jax. Yeah, like, and the you guys warned me, it's like, I'm sure they were like, he's hanging out with Jax. Yeah, like, you know. And then you guys warned me, it's like,

I'm sure they were like, he's gonna do this to you, what he did to Ariana, he'll do it to you. I can't imagine they were like. Do you think he got like, she got like a DM from some girl who was like, he's cheating on you. Hey girl. He went to Vegas. Hey girl DM. You know, I mean, there's the,

the guessing is unstoppable with Tom Sandible. Just like, the archiving and unarchiving on Instagram is the loser-iest thing. It's like, are you 12? Yeah. I mean, yeah. He's stuck. He has a child brain.

I will say, I mean, it could get dark for the Toms. Her statement was, wow, you guys were right. Tiger never changes its stripes. He loves the best friends. Apparently, I feel like a fool completely heartbroken and that insin. He loves the best friends, apparently. I feel like a fool completely heartbroken and that insinuates he loves the best friends like how he loved Ariana's best friend, Raquel. Is Swartz supposed to be in the Valley?

Yes, Swartz, Lala, and Sheena are moving over to the Valley or at least having cameos. I'm curious, yeah. And now, no Sandoval? No, Sandoval was not a part of the equation. I did see some headlines that Joe was saying she was invited though. Oh boy.

This. For the Valley, which was interesting. I didn't open it up, I was like, that's fake. Interesting. Zach had a response to that. This could start to get pretty dark. I mean, think about it though. You know, Vanderpump's canceled.

Vanderpump was Tom Sandoval's whole life. You know, James, he had the DJ thing going. Hopefully not anymore. Schwartz is getting work, but this guy's getting pretty dark. What is Tom Sandoval gonna do? Get a job. But that's what I'm saying, he's not going to. These people act like they are above getting a fucking job.

You don't have to be on TV. You don't. Go work at the mall. It's not gonna happen. Go work at Auntie Anne's. Literally. That's what I'm saying. This is about to get dark. He can't get a job there though. But the balance where there's darkness, there's life because this is all good stuff for Kristen. Kristen announces that she's pregnant on the same day that Shorts and Sandies is closed. VPR is canceled. She's pregnant and she has a job on the valley. So Kristen's having a great 2025 and that's all I care about.

Karen. Karen. Whitney Rose shuts down divorce rumors with her husband, Justin. I didn't know there were rumors. Yeah, as a fellow Justin, how do you feel, Justin? I love Whitney and Justin. Me too. No, but these are rumors that have been circulating for like a month on like bigger quote unquote

Bravo blogs, basically alleging that they've been sleeping apart since last year and going through the motions in public. How would the blogs know about that? I mean, Housewives speak through blogs. So like a lot of the times, like you will find information. Lisa said I went to these blogs and was like, no, no. So me and Justin aren't sleeping. Well, I will say at Kathy Hilton's party, there was an alarming number.

What we come to find out bloggers That's what I was like talking to people like oh, we love your show It was like it turns out they're a blogger I'm like, oh even like candy burr is like she brings bloggers to dinners and like treats them Well, I think it was Teresa was friends with a blogger and then she went turned on the blogger and the blogger turned on her So it's like you befriend the bloggers to have a good internet cut. Anyways. It's like old Hollywood.

Yeah. Yeah, but still, why wouldn't Whitney tell a blogger? She's shutting these rumors down. So basically there's been rumors that they're always fighting and that they're basically gonna have a divorce for an upcoming season storyline. She was like, we never heard anything about it, it was just the blogs.

And then she's finally responding to them saying, this is a lie and everyone should fact check before they put such reckless false information about someone's marriage and family. This is bullshit, lies, stop spreading false information. I agree with her. So she finally shut it down. I just hate that she, you know,

it's one of those things that, you know, to address the rumor is platforming the rumor. Like I'm a perfect example, I had no idea there was trouble in paradise or perceived trouble in paradise. And now it's like. I ignored it because I love them. But it's also like, yeah, it's like,

if you know that like, if Whitney knows that her and Justin are good, their kids are good, they're happy, they're fine, like why feed into the nonsense that is the internet? Well, I guess she kind of has to because if she does, well, if she doesn't, the next season, like somebody on the show, one of the girls are gonna be like, there are rumors going around that you and Justin

are getting a divorce. Blogs are so good. Yeah, but if you don't get divorced. Yeah, then like. But no matter what, it's probably gonna be part of the show next year. I think she did it because there's no need to make it a storyline, but blogs are so ingrained

in like the housewife. Yeah. Currently the housewife like storylines are all blogs, podcasts, tweets. Like, and people love to try to tear down a marriage. Exactly. 100%. I was going to say there's a big ominous rumor going around that there is a housewife couple that you would least expect is getting a divorce, but like she had to like stay

to keep up the image. And they've almost done it before. And they've speculated on pretty much every Bravo couple. Every single couple. It was Meredith and Seth, it was Whitney and Justin, and it's just like, why don't you guys just shut the fuck up and just wait until they announce that they're divorced or they're separating.

What the fuck? It's so weird that these people try to meddle in and be the ones to release this like, these people have kids. And you wanna be so badly to be the person who's like, well, I knew first and I'm announcing that like, they're getting a divorce because they fucking hate each other. Like, that's so weird to me.

I'm sharing like intimate details that you clearly don't know about. They're not sleeping in the same bed and they're fighting nonstop. Also who would know that? Like, yeah. Literally like, okay. Like anyone could say that about anyone's marriage.

I represent. That's just, it's just so bizarre and weird to me. My theory and I have no way to prove this is that Lisa had somebody that works for her send a DM to a blogger about this. I mean that- Not Mary writing the next storyline for the next season. Speaking of Salt Lake City rumors and lore,

we have the incredible Meredith Marks on this week's episode of Going Deeper, which dropped yesterday, if you have not listened to Meredith. Did you notice the whole time you were like, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, and she was like, yes. She's never practiced law. She's never practiced law.

She has a law degree and never practiced. She's an icon. But she went to law school. She did. She did, she has a law degree and never practiced. She's an icon. But she went to law school. She did. She did, she has a degree. She loved the compliments. Every time you said it, she was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Now you have to gas her up, you know?

She deserves to be gassed up. Did y'all see this crazy Aaron Rodgers documentary on Netflix? I'm aware of it, I've not watched it. I have not watched it either. Could you imagine that's what I did last night? Nick goes to dinner, I'm like, I watched Aaron Rodgers' documentary.

Like, okay. But he did finally open up about this family rift that's been kind of sped. I heard about it, yeah. It started when his brother was on Bachelorette. Yeah, I didn't realize, yeah, I was somehow catching strays from Aaron Rodgers. Leia, go for it.

Leia, can you bring people up to speed? Happily. He talks about how on The Bachelor, you know how they do the hometowns. And so they set two seats and he says, and what do they do? They go on a bullshit show and leave two empty chairs. They all agreed this was a good thing to do, to leave two empty chairs at a stupid dating show

that my brother just went on to get famous his words not mine that he ended up winning but a dinner that was during the football season i was never asked to go to not that i would have gone i mean like i'm glad he got that out but i just like i forgot about it but that also is crazy for them to leave. Like I watched the clip and they like pan out and show the two empty seats. It's like, come on. That's so dirty. Sure, it's ridiculous.

And everyone agreed to do it. Aaron's parents agreed to do it. Man, that's a good point. And his brother. They all were like, yeah, sure. Let's pan out and make it seem like our son fucking stops and didn't wanna come. Now that's a good point.

Cause I was thinking, oh, I don't fault the bachelor producers for doing it. No, his family were like, yeah, sure, like just pan out and make it seem like our son fucking stops and didn't wanna come. Now that's a good point. Cause I was thinking, oh, I don't fault the bachelor producers for doing it. No, his family were like, yeah, sure, we'll set it a table with two empty seats and make it a whole thing. Yeah, that is crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, let's call him out.

That's crazy. And I mean, his words, not mine. Went on to be famous. His words not mine is so funny. On the show too, I remember him talking about like how him and Aaron didn't have like a good relationship, but that he did have a good relationship with his other brother.

No, they definitely use The Bachelorette to express their frustration with their famous quarterback son. Which is so, so weird. Dumb. Yeah, even if Aaron was totally in the wrong as to why there is a disconnect. Yeah, he could suck, but still.

Why are you out? You're like, family. On The Bachelorette? Yeah. Eight years later. Yeah, it just gives, it gives, they want, they're using him for headlines. What do you mean eight years later? Season 12 of The Bachelorette was in 2016.

You're criticizing Aaron. I'm just saying, like, why are we still talking about it eight years later? Well, he's just talking about everything. It's his documentary, it's his Martha. Copy. It's his Martha. But I'm like, was this passing news that people needed to hear information?

I needed to hear it. Well, his family started it when they went on The Bachelorette and they made it a whole thing about how they're not. Yeah, but in the documentary, Aaron is like, listen, this happened in high school. Like this started where like we had this riff in high school and then college and then post college.

Yeah. He's like, it's just been a lot. Like they clearly have just struggled with their relationship for a long time. I think there's a lot of ego between Jordan and. Yeah, he mentions that Aaron like went pro and Jordan. I don't remember when, like he didn't have the same level of success. and uh... Yeah, he mentions that Aaron like went pro and Jordan, I don't remember when, like he didn't have

the same level of success. Yeah, Jordan sucked. Jordan played for Vanderpump and then he got a couple. Vanderpump? Vanderpump? Excuse me, Vanderpump. Vanderpump. And then he had a couple of cups of coffee on a couple of teams as a practice squad player, almost certainly solely because his brother at the time

was the best quarterback in the league. So a couple, you know what I'm saying? Like a lot of ego involved. Jordan basically took his success on the Bachelorette coupled with him being the brother of Aaron Rodgers and spun that into a broadcasting career calling games on ESPN.

Listen, if you're Aaron Rodgers, you feel a certain way about your brother who you don't have a good relationship with using you to build his entire career on. Yeah, when you put it like that, I just like, hey, didn't realize that this was still an ongoing feud. I was like, this happened eight years ago, why do we care?

Someone called Ryan Murphy. He has not been talking to his family for this entire time. Really, this entire time. And we've just like, and no one has ever asked Aaron, like he's just never talked about it. And so like doing this documentary, you know, obviously it's talking about a lot of stuff in his life and his like relationship with his family

clearly is a big one. And also Olivia Munn is a huge actress. And so like, why would you leave an empty seat for her bachelorette? Like we think Ms. Olivia Munn is gonna come on your show and meet her boyfriend's brother's girlfriend. I get why the Bachelorette did it. They're like, they're gonna take it.

Of course. But you made a great point. Why the family allowed that to happen is crazy. The family could have been like, we're not doing that. We're not gonna allow you to come into our house and use our family drama for your ratings, but they did. They totally fucking did. They definitely did not have to do that.

It's like they did it, yeah, like now that I'm reminded of it, they did it as if like they were like, yeah, Erin and Olivia should be here in like 10. They're just running late. They're super famous. They got caught in traffic. It's probably the paparazzi, but like they were, yeah.

No, I kind of get his point. At the time too, there was like speculation that Olivia Munn was like the one who caused the estrangement in the family dynamic with Aaron. Yeah, there was a lot of rumors about that. Blaming the woman in shocker. They threw Olivia under the bus. They did. Yeah.

But I mean, even, I mean, Aaron says like, no, that was a great relationship, nothing bad was going on, this was just like deep-rooted family drama. And like, didn't his dad say, like Aaron's dad come out and say something, and then like, was it Stephen A. Smith? Like, dude, what the fuck? Like, why are we bringing, like, you don't do that.

You don't bring your- You know what? Jodie Foster loves Aaron Rodgers, and Aaron Rodgers thanked Jodie Foster one time in an MVP speech for some reason and ever since then I'm like do whatever you want brother. Well the the president of the Packers called him a complicated fella. Wow. And Jodie loves a complicated fella. Yeah.

Yeah. He's not basic. Nope. No, no, no. Is it time for maybe stats versus knowledge? And Jodi loves a complicated fella. Yeah. Yeah. He's not basic. Nope. No, no, no. Is it time for maybe stats versus knowledge? Yeah. Or knowledge versus stats.

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And she's like, no, it's a crispy flaky crust. Every time vibes versus stats comes up. I don't know the name of our own segment. It's vibes versus stats. Vibes versus stats. All right, Mary, what do we got on the docket for this week? Okay. All right, Mary, what do we got on the docket for this week? Okay, so the first game I want to talk about is this 49ers are playing the Dolphins and are we watching White Christmas because this game is all about sisters?

Sisters. We all know Olivia Colpo. We all know Olivia Colpo. Wife of 49ers. Former Miss America? Former Miss USA? Miss Universe? I don't know.

She's a pageant queen. Miss Universe, I think. Pageant queen, beautiful, all around, married to 49ers running back Christian McCaffrey. Formerly the girlfriend of Danny Amendola, friend of show. She did, yesterday. She was also in The Other Woman, the movie.

Not in real life. She was in the movie The Other Woman. She's also an actress. Was that a reality TV show or is that? No, no, this is just what- Was Kate Upton, new headlight? Yeah, I mean, according to her Wikipedia, she had a role in The Other Woman.

Camille? And I feel pretty. Anyway, but this is really, this drama is all about her sister, Sophia Coppo, who is a TikToker. Sophia Coppo used to date Miami Dolphins wide receiver, Braxton Barrios, for two two years from 2021 to 2023. That's a long time.

Recently, she posted a cryptic TikTok insinuating that Braxton is her Zach Bryan. In the TikTok, Sofia stitches a video of a girl saying, if you guys remember, Braxton is technically Sofia Coppo's Zach Bryan, with a video of herself cheersing the camera and with a very large glass of wine and sunglasses. And she like lifts the sunglasses up and looks really sassy into the camera. And if you're wondering, why would Sofia Coppo do this out of nowhere

and like throw a stray, it's not out of nowhere because Sofia's TikTok was referencing Brianna Chicken Fry's appearance on Alex Earl's podcast, Hot Mess. And Alex Earl is in fact currently dating Sophia's ex-boyfriend and Miami Dolphins' wide receiver, Braxton Barrios. Which is even weirder because whenever Alex came out

with her podcast merch, Brianna went on like social media and was like, she stole all my merch designs. So what is going on? What is going on? What is her merch designs that she stole? They were very similar. I don't know. This is giving like-

I mean, we can pull up side by side. I don't remember the exact words. WNBA level messy drama of people dating each other. They were definitely very similar. And like Brianna made it a thing. Like she went to social media and she's like, she stole my designs. And this has been a passive accusation. I mean, like Brianna has been painting Zach Brian as an emotional abuser.

Yes. And then for Sophia to respond to this girl on TikTok in saying that Braxton is her Zach Bryan, that's a heavy accusation. It is, yeah. So what's going on here? I had no idea who any of these people were 24 hours ago. No. Yeah.

All right, so we're picking between Sofia and Alex. Is that kind of what it comes? Well, I'm guessing I'm guessing so the Dolphins has Braxton in San Francisco is Christian McCaffrey. Who's just chilling And it's her brother in law. He's her eyes out for the year unfortunately Christian. Oh, then he really is just chilling He's literally chilling. I think I don't think we can pick the Dolphins on this one I was gonna say. I think we have to go with our buddy Sour to Sam. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Olivia Culpo any day. The coach of the Dolphins used to be- I am also gonna go with Olivia Culpo. And I feel like-

The coordinator of the Niners. Wow, so there's a lot of Dolphins. Again, let's just remind ourselves that the San Francisco 49ers do have the guy who is a hero and stopped a crime and got shot. And it has Sidney Warner's husband, Fred. Yes. He was a great guy. And an excellent footballer. And I feel like they're doing well Niners no no no but neither are

the Dolphins well they're not doing well in the sense that Niners going into the season were picked by many people to be one of the best teams in the league and they have been very much not they're having a disappointing but Dolphins are disappointing their people too they have never really been good and so like to say they're having a different disappointing season it's kind of like they've had a disappointing season for the past 30. They have the same. They've never really been good. So like to say they're having a different disappointing season, it's kind of like they've had a disappointing season for the past 30 years. They have the same record as the Niners. We're going Niners.

We have to go Niners. What about you? Well, I don't want to pick the Dolphins after, I mean. Braxton. After Braxton. Also, what kind of a name is Braxton? I know his mom was being creative. I guess.

A name of a man who will break your heart. I hope to God I never have my heart broken of a man who'll break your heart. I hope to God I've never had my heart broken by a man named Braxton. Anyway. Did Brianna and Alex squash their merch piece? No idea. I did not watch or listen to their episode together, but I do know a lot of people were very confused because they were like weren't you like accusing her of stealing all your merch? Like what's going on here? I don't think anyone is more confused than Sophia Colpo. And then like, and then when, when describing Zach's behavior to Alex, Alex wasn't like,

Oh, it's not like my boyfriend. No, I doubt she would. Yeah. They seem very happy and in love. So yeah. But okay, we're going 49ers, next going 49ers. All right. Good to know. Next game, the New Orleans Saints are playing the Green Bay Packers. And call me Craig Conover because I want to get into some conspiracy theories. The streets are saying, and by the streets...

Well, we're picking the Packers. I feel like we all are, right? She's not wrong. Okay, done. But go ahead. The streets are saying, and by the streets, I mean TikTok and Reddit, and my roommate Cade, who brought this to my attention, that the Green Bay Packers quarterback Jordan Love is only successful during the Toyota-hon.

Yes. And may in fact be an NFL plant designed to sell Toyotas to disperse Wisconsinites all over the greater nation of Wisconsin. For those of you who don't know, Toyota-hon is a seasonal sale that Toyota puts on around this time of year. It runs November 15th to January 6th. And you look at Jordan Love stats during Toyota-thon and not Toyota-thon. It's shocking. It's happening right now.

I choose him. Does he drive a Toyota? I don't know. Well, Toyota-thon has been an official NFL sponsor since 2023, which was the first year Jordan Love started for the Packers. He's really been crushing life during Toyota-thon. He is, but the problem is Toyota-thon doesn't run through the Super Bowl, which is famously in February. Can he keep it going? Can he keep it going. How do you feel about your main man being an industry player, Potentj?

Yeah, I feel fine with it as long as he wins. I don't think he is. Yeah, no. But it's fun to think about. It is. So we're all going to go Packers. We're all going to go Packers. Cool. That's easy.

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or do we want to go Altimatum next? Christmas. Christmas. Oh, what are you guys Altimatum next? Christmas. Christmas. Oh, what are you guys all doing for Christmas? Christmas plans. Christmas plans. Or for our Jewish friends out there, Hanukkah. Holiday plans.

Holiday plans. Holiday plans. We say Christmas. Christmas, does that also count for New Year's? Sure. Okay. I'll be here for Christmas and then New Year's, I am going to Canada and I'm really excited

for that. Ooh, we're in Canada. Around the Vancouver area. Okay. Yeah. Wee-wee. Is that the French? No, that's Quebec.

Sorry, that's the French. Montreal. Montreal. Oh. Justin, are you going home? I am flying home. Delta there. Southwest back.

What did you ask Santa for for Christmas? Love and happiness. Wow. Yeah. I am flying home. Delta there. Southwest back. What did you ask Santa for for Christmas? Love and happiness. Wow. I feel like it's a year of not needing too much, you know? Also, if I'm flying, I can't bring it back, so. Yeah, for sure. Practical. Practical, okay.

Mary, are you gonna go to your parents? Yeah, I'm going to Florida. I leave on Sunday and I'm flying with my cat, George Michael. So I'm very, I got into a gap of one. You know one time I was on a flight and the cat got out and was running up and down the flight. Wait, that's so cute. And no one could catch the cat.

That seems like very him, but that hopefully will not happen. I just, I'm really anxious about it. So I need to just, he's not, he's gonna be fine. So if I don't worry about it, then I don't think my anxiety will transfer over to him. What's your favorite holiday tradition? Eggnog, because it tastes awful,

but you just have to drink it. Okay. Hey, Heidi Gardner. I like little Christmas Eve celebration. I love Christmas Eve. We do little friends thing, and I just am always drunk and then hungover. Christmas Eve or Christmas Day?

Christmas Eve is like the like- Definitely getting hammered on Christmas Eve. Yeah. And then- Right? Wow- Definitely getting hammered on Christmas Eve. Yeah. Right? Wow. I feel like, well. Relax.

Yeah. We're celebrating our family, Nick, like me, Nick and River and the dogs. We're doing that this weekend. So Friday night this week is Christmas Eve and Saturday is Christmas morning. Aw. So we have to bake cookies on Friday night for Santa.

Yeah, we're like a divorced family with us for Santa. And then Tilly goes out. We're like a divorced family with us to have two different things. Well, our first Christmas. Family trauma. Yeah, well, no, we have to just, we have to give River that at home. You know what I'm saying?

And I got the dogs, they're stocking stuffers. And what are we gonna cook on Friday night? Oh my God. I thought Christmas was Saturday. Well, that's Christmas day, but we do Christmas Eve dinner. Oh my God. So we have, okay. You've got more stuff to plan. Have you guys finished your Christmas shopping? No. I am done because I am ahead of the curve. Either have I.

Oh my God. I have to get a white elephant gift for my family. Nick hasn't gotten me my gift from River yet, which I clocked yesterday, because I had just wrapped River's gift to her dad. Right. You know, she's just not able to wrap stuff right now, so I was just wrapping it for her, of course.

And... Well, you know, River told me that you're really hard to shop for. Do you? Well, that's why I made you a PDF form with photos and links and sizes and colors. Nick's just gonna get River, take River to the park and get her to like grab like a handful of grass and like put it in a box and River picked this for you. All this means is I just have to change one of the from Nick to from River. Yeah, that's true.

Pick the best one. Yeah. That's true. Favorite Christmas movie? I'm so basic. I'm like Home Alone. Yeah. Home Alone One. It holds up.

Home Alone, Home Alone Two. It holds up. Both equally good. I'm gonna go Home Alone One. Yeah. If I had to pick, but Home Alone Two stands up. It's so good. Christmas with the cranks.

I love that one too. That's a great one. The Honey Ham, never tried that in my life, but I want one of those. Yeah. Oh, a Honey Ham is good. Mine's either Christmas Vac vacation or the Grinch. Well, we have Aria on this episode of Reality Recap.

Fascinating interview. Fascinating interview. Say more. Bit of a conspiracy theory going around. I think that we are starting. I can say I started it. Justin started it. It was more of an observation.

I'll just say the Bravo blogs have trained me better to recognize backgrounds, what people are holding, the way they're talking, the lighting. All I noticed was Scotty's background is awfully similar to the background that Aria had when she zoomed in. Well, and we mentioned this in the interview with Aria because we do ask her about her background. Well, when we interviewed Scotty the first time, we were doing these interviews over Zoom. For those of you who aren't familiar with Zoom,

if you have like some kind of Zoom account, it'll, you'll like, who are you? What is your name? And you'll put like Nick or whatever. Sometimes in a shared account, people put two names. I don't know, for whatever reason. Well, when Scotty zoomed in like last week, and we had not seen the end of the season,

it said Scotty and Aria. And I was like, oh, spoiler alert. They're still together. But we were like, Scotty, gotta take that off. We don't wanna spoil anything. Then we find out they're not together, cause we watched, you know, they, Scotty paused. We watched the reunion.

We watched the reunion. You know, his reactive personality kept showing up, even though Scotty was like, no, it all gets better. And then we were very happy to talk to Aria, and she was very, you know, you'll listen to it. She was very open about her, you know, we were aligned about our opinion with Scotty, and she was critical.

Not like shit talking, but she gave some direct feedback, let's just say. But Justin pointed out that the background, it is blurred. The way the lighting. It is shockingly the same. The doors, the windows, the way the lighting hits the walls.

I don't know what you wanna make of that. Is it the same background? Is it not the same background? If it is the same background, are they back together? Why is she coming on? But they never lived together. I did post on my Instagram and said, If it is the same background, are they back together? Why is she coming on and- But they never lived together. I did post on my Instagram and said,

I really hope that Aria and I tagged her is not with this man. I need her to run as fast as possible. And she did respond, but she only responded and talked about like my decor in my house. So there was no like, ha ha girl, fuck that man. There was no like, haha girl, fuck that man. There was no like, well, just like give it a second. You know.

And again, listen, if they're back together and they wanna work on it, I mean, you know, go forth and be prosperous. But I mean, again, after you listen to this interview. Well, let's get to the interview. Okay, all right, well, Aria, everybody. If you come from a big family like Nick and I, it can be so hard to buy everyone a personal gift for the holidays.

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We're excited to have you. Now that everything's out. Yeah. I didn't even know where to start with you. You know, here's where I want to start. Did you listen to our interview with Scotty? I did. You did? I did.

He was fighting for his life in that interview. I'm like, that's all I'm saying. You know, at that point we had only seen so many of the episodes. I certainly know what it's like to be on your guys' side. I certainly know what it's like to watch something and not necessarily remember it the same way. And we really wanted to give Scotty

the benefit of the doubt. And then we kept watching, you know, and Yeah, I guess it was it was a tough watch and we felt a bit gaslit by Scotty It's funny to say like hear it because it's like the world is like I feel gaslit. I'm like I was in it So yeah, I am really curious cuz like, boy, I got to say, watching you, your guys' relationship, you seem like two different people. Like how did you guys get together in the first place? So the thing is, is like, Scotty is like such a beautiful individual when he's not, I feel

like triggered. And how I would say triggered, it's like if anything, you know, comes up with maybe insecurity and or like second to last scene, it was where in the kitchen I'm wearing my black dress and he's like addressing how I don't give him non-sexual physical touch and in that scene the reason why that came up was actually it was right after we had our last mixer where Caleb and Mariah were at everybody was there. But he was watching everything I did because he was feeling insecure. He might never admit

that but he was feeling insecure because he felt like there was some type of connection that was with Caleb and he, you know, was like you weren't really giving you weren't really holding my hand. You weren't really all over me like Sandy was all over Nick. And I was like, that's not my love language. I'm not gonna go sit on your lap. I don't do that in front of people. Like I I was like, I was holding his hand during the experience like during that time. But I just feel like it was coming up. And I feel like because he's hurt, he tries to hurt me. Yeah, his words. And so I when you say like, Oh, how did you guys get

together? We actually met at Coachella. We didn't like we just like saw each other and we were like, there was a vibe. And then we ended up actually also then coincidentally like just also being at in Vegas, like maybe a few months later after that. And so then after that, I feel like we were inseparable. Like the reason why I think I was so like into Scotty was that he was so obsessed with me, but like not in a it wasn't in an unhealthy way. It was just in a way of intention. Yeah, where he

was, you know, going out of his way to see me. We lived in two different cities at the time I was still going into nurse, like I was still in nursing school. So it was like there was a lot of things that he had to wait for me. into a nurse, like I was still in nursing school. So it was like, there was a lot of things that he had to wait for me. And so I felt like I wanted to show my commitment to him as well. But I think also he has baggage with relationships,

like women cheating on him. And so it's just like a lot of things that I had to deal with and show him that like, I am not that, I am not your past, I am here, I wanna love you, but I just don't think that that was enough because there's internal battles that he's dealing with. You know, it was interesting to watch.

I really try as much as I can, especially since we watch these shows, we critique the characters we watch, and having been on your guys' side before, I definitely try to watch with like radical empathy, I guess, in a way. And so when I look at Scotty, and if I'm really trying to be empathetic,

there are elements of him that I could see like 23-year-old me in, in a sense. Scotty reminds me of that guy who, he means well. You can see he wants to be a good partner. Like, it matters to Scotty to be a good boyfriend. I feel like that's a true statement from what I watched. I just don't think he knows how. Yeah, it's like, yeah.

But he does the thing where it's just like, and I feel like I've done that when I was younger and immature, where it's just like, because I'm showing up and I'm doing this, it's like, you kind of like, well, I'm doing this, so I'm expecting you to match me. if you don't match me you're doing something wrong and it's and everything is based off of well if I'm willing to do this and I'm willing to do this and it's it's very much centered through you know what

he's willing to do and because he's putting so much effort into being a good guy I don't think he even realizes that his actions come across as that he's owed something you know he's owed a certain come across as that he's owed something, you know? He's owed a certain type of behavior or he's owed a certain type of like payback for like what he perceives as like him acting a certain way, you know? I hope that he matures though. The only problem with Scottie, how old is Scottie?

30. I'm prefrontal, definitely developed. Yeah, I mean it's like, you know, I think there's still hope for him on for you know, listen, we are we are honest. I think that this was a wake up call, if I'm being honest, like, I think that, I mean, who gets to really see their selves in a third person, I think for even for me, like, honestly, like watching some of this back, like, honestly, I just remember feeling like defeated or feeling like, unhappy, but I didn't know like, what it was, because I was honestly, I just remember feeling like defeated or feeling like unhappy, but I didn't know like what it was because I was like, I'm doing as much as I possibly can

do. Like, why is this not working? And I honestly think I went on to the show to really show how committed I am to it because I didn't want to be there. And it's not that he forced me to be there. But like, didn't, like it was definitely something that I was like, okay, well, is he showing me that he wants to commit? And I feel like something we lacked in our relationship was reassurance because I feel like our relationship wasn't really the healthiest.

So yes, it would be like threatening of the relationship. I don't wanna be with you because you're not giving me this. And like, I mean, you guys saw it on the show. So it was like him expressing that he wants to marry me and do this process. I was like, oh, of course I will do that. You're showing me reassurance

that you even see a future with me. And then I feel like in the experience, I wanted to show him that I'm a loyal girlfriend. I am someone who I was committed to the experience in the way of I'm wanting to learn how to be a better partner. And I feel like that was what I wanted to highlight, but I think that what he was really hung up on,

even past watching the show, was he was just very hurt by seeing a connection develop. Yeah, I'm glad that you said that. I think I said it in our last episode. It seemed like it was hard to watch you struggle in the relationship because it seemed like both you and Scotty wanted to be good partners. It was fascinating watching you,

it was hard to watch, but fascinating because just like you described, it was like you were almost confused as to why you were unhappy because here you are and you had referenced past relationships and bad boyfriends. So like compared to maybe your past and don't know the details of it,

Scotty initially probably presents as this really well-intentioned, thoughtful, I really wanna be a good partner guy, really shows up and does the little things and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I would imagine when you look at Scotty at face value, it's like, this is a good guy, I should like this guy. But he would almost belittle you and critique you

and minimize you. And it's like he sold it as, I want us to be a good couple and I wanna be a good boyfriend. So it's almost like he masked his criticism under the guise of, I care about us and I care about the relationship. And I imagine it almost sounds like that's kind of what you struggled with. Almost like, why am I so unhappy with a guy

who wants to be a good boyfriend? I think it's just, it was like, yeah, I was just so confused all the time because I'd be like, okay, you want to be with me. You say you're committed, you want a future with me, but then it seems like I make you so unhappy. And I honestly just got to a point, like, I just got tired of fighting. Like, I was exhausted.

Like, I just, it just reminded me too much of my dynamic with, like, my parents watching that, like, growing up and watching them fight. And I just was like, yeah, this is just like not for me. And it wasn't even that I realized that I was being like gaslit in situations. Like honestly, I feel like now in a third, like person like perspective, I can see like, okay, like this is literally something I think I saw. And I was like, Oh, wait, that's kind of funny. It was like, he's a, he's, he just throws word salad out. And so I

feel like that was some I just I truly just respect him. And I was trying to understand this man so hard. But it just was like, there's just such a disconnect that I was just like, I give up. And I think the last straw for me was just the fact that I had to beg him to go to couples therapy. Like I was like, you know, that there's an issue. Why am I begging you to do anything? And so I just was like, I was so over it. Like I just was like, I can't do this anymore.

Like I truly need to choose myself. And like, even though you love me, like I just, you're not showing me the ways that I want to be loved. So. Yeah, that's definitely, you know, coming from a guy like Scottie, refusing couples therapy seems like a big red flag

because again, he comes across as someone who was willing to do anything for the relationship and love, but him to turn that down tells me that he really wanted to be in control of how he thought you guys should work on the relationship. And as soon as he was gonna let in a third party therapist, he has to give up that control and he has to be willing to be introspective

about the role he plays and whatever problem this relationship has and it's telling that he turned it down. Another thing that was really hard to watch, it was towards the end and it's when you were crying and he was talking about physical touch, he brought that up earlier. Scotty, if you're listening,

when you ask someone to work on something, if it's a bad habit, especially if they acknowledge the bad habit, like you, not even a bad habit, you were just like, listen, it's not my love language, it's a bad habit, especially if they acknowledge the bad habit. Like you, you know, not even a bad habit. You were just like, listen, it's not my love language, it's not my thing, but like you were willing to recognize that it was Scotty's, so here you are willing to work on it. Scotty, if you're listening, don't come back feedback with like, you never do this, or you always, you know, you always ignore me. Like when someone's working on something and they try

something and your feedback later on is they still never do something, that must be, that's the most defeating feeling in the world because, right? I mean, here you are, maybe you're not loving on Scotty the way he wants to be loved, but it sounds like you were making like a genuine effort into like doing what Scotty wanted

and then all of a sudden, you know, you get feedback like he sees someone sit on someone's lap and you're like you never do this like what a defeating feeling to work on something and then have your partner tell you you never fucking do something is it's I don't know it feels like emotional torture in a way. It's interesting too like I feel like yeah I mean we did end up going to like I think it was like the intro to couples therapy, but I think I was so done that like, I ended up making the couples therapist my own therapist. Because I was like, yeah, I told her I was like, hey, we're not going to do this anymore.

Ken, do you want to work with me by yourself or we'll just have to let this go? And she was like, Oh, yeah, sure. But something that was like, that we learned is like, there's like seven like deadly habits to do in a relationship. And one of them is, like saying never always, those kind of things, because it makes the person feel like they're, it's never enough and they're not enough. And if they're actually, you know, being receptive to what you want to say, or what you're saying to them, then you should be like, Hey, I'm still hurting but like I see you, I see that you're trying. And in that actual fight, when I said

if this isn't our first, this isn't the first time that we're talking about this on camera, which it wasn't featured, but we talked about that again. And I asked him, is that a non negotiable for you? Because that is not my love language. And I asked him, is that a non-negotiable for you? Because that is not my love language. And I am working on it. But if you're saying like, you need me to be like all on you all the time, like, if that is a non-negotiable for you, like, let me know because in my head, I will know like this maybe isn't like maybe we're just not a good match. But I think I go in my head and I'm like, was I really affectionate in the beginning? But maybe it was just like I was starting to fall out of love and I was trying my hardest

to like stay there, but like it was just like, it was, there was just a disconnect. Did you have any inkling that he was planning on proposing to you? I feel like I wasn't really sure to be honest, because of our last conversation before it. But I know he loves me. And I, I honestly don't it's like, I know he wouldn't want to see me with anyone else. So for him to not propose in that moment, I think he would have been like more scared of like, okay, what does this really mean? Because yes, the show is like you get engaged and you move on. But like, this is real life, like, okay, like, maybe really mean? Because yes, the show is like, you get engaged and you move on, but like, this is real life. Like, okay, like maybe it doesn't end out like that.

You don't get engaged, but are we still gonna work on the relationship? And I think that I tried so hard in this experience to be so like, you know, like take this experience, we're still respect him. And then I think to like get to that point where potentially he's going to publicly embarrass me, like, I think that I think we had a lot of thoughts. And then I think

for me, I was like, I don't want to reject him. But there's still things I want to work on. And so that's why, you know, I called the engagement off after a day because I was like, we're taking this is too fast. Like, we need to like move in together. And I can say that that's something I did respect is he was really fast about doing that, but it just like, it just didn't work out. I definitely felt for both of you in that moment.

It was kind of hysterical at the reunion when they were like, when did you guys break up? And you were like a day and Scotty just, it was kind of funny. I don't know. Like, he didn't want that to be brought up at all. And I was kind of trying to keep that up like in raps. I'm not going to lie because I feel like, you know, that's, that's kind of like ego

defeating, but I mean, it's the truth. Hearing you talk, it's just, I really hope Scotty is willing to, to use this experience as an opportunity to like reflect and reflect and see himself in ways that his partners have seen him or other people. It's a tough lesson to learn, but if he's willing to learn, yeah, I wanna believe that he is well-intentioned, but it's like Scotty has this idea

of how he thinks relationships should be, I presume probably from his upbringing or whatever he's seen on movies and again well-intentioned. And then like you've added the information of past girlfriends and him being cheated on and I think he just has this idea that he's the good guy and because he thinks he's the good guy and he's willing to try hard, it really comes across as that he's used that as an excuse internally and not necessarily consciously to act the way he's acted in a way where it's, it can come across as very aggressive and mean almost

and belittling and condescending and minimizing. And it's like, it's hard to watch because I don't think Scotty would ever think of himself in that way. You know what I'm saying? I don't think he would ever. Yeah, no, I agree. I do want to say something though,

because obviously with all like, you know, people's opinions and he's never been physical with me like at all. And so and honestly, like watching the show, like they definitely dramatize like his stare and like, I mean, he's still staring all crazy, but like it's very dramatized. And I feel like I've never been scared of Scotty like ever.

But I think the things that I've been annoyed with him, like I'll be like, okay, like, this is very childish. Like, let's, let's talk like adults. But I've never been like, oh my gosh, I'm so afraid. Like, and I think that's why you can see like once the changeover happened, like I was excited to be with him. I actually didn't even I wasn't paying any attention to him staring at me. Like, I feel like people were making TikToks and being like,

oh, his stare, his stare to her at the change. I was so unbothered. I was just like, he's mad because he sees that there was a connection and I'm a very honest person. And so I'm not gonna sugar coat anything. So I think that I was never worried about going back. I just more so was like, okay, are we gonna have any type of progress

or is this gonna continue to go and go and go? Yeah, thank you for clarifying that. I'm assuming that you obviously seen things online. Unfortunately, you know, when it comes to these shows, a lot of the people who watch this show obviously will, you know, project their own personal experiences and sadly, there are a lot of women out there who have to deal with men who unfortunately think physical violence is acceptable with ladies, but that doesn't, you know. Anyways, thank you for pointing that out, because it's, despite all of Scottie's flaws,

it's not fair for people to take weird stares and then make assumptions about what they think he's capable of. Yeah, because the type of messages I was getting, like, I do feel for the women, but I was like, I haven't had that experience, but I can understand why. That man looked crazy.

Yeah. I watched that and I was like, what is going on? Have you spoken with him recently? Like, do you think he is willing to be humble enough to just say, you know what, I really have some work to do. And it would be very easy for him to blame the edit, because there was a lot of people in these situations. He did that in the beginning, I think,

because that's like, you know, I think when you're first accepting something, you're kind of in denial for a little bit. But I think that once, you know, the world really showed like a reflection of who he was perceiving himself as, he really did see. And I think really too is like something that wasn't featured.

And I think it really does play a narrative into like what Scotty was in the show is they didn't show his family and friends meet up. They didn't show like just his friends meeting up with us. And like, he has a really solid group of friends. And so that was something that I was very attracted to because I was like, okay, he's surrounded by men that actually have a high EQ. But they just did not know how he treated me.

So it's like, and so I think now seeing everything, they've all like reached out to me. They're like, Aria, you carried yourself so well, and I am so sorry for like the pain that you've had to endure like in that process, but I want you to know like, we're going to like, we're gonna, we're gonna definitely do some intervention, like that was kind of like where it was coming from. And I think

that honestly, I don't think his mom has seen it. I don't think he wants her to see it because I know she'd be like very disappointed. And I mean, I just I had to let her know that we did break up because he didn't tell her. And then I know she's really sad. And she was like trying to call me about it. So I just feel like, yeah, this is a wake up call for him. I think he didn't realize what he had when he had it. And now that it's not there. Now he's, you know, feeling it. But I hope it is something that he grows from. You said at reunion that he doesn't love you the way that

you wanted to be loved. And your time with Caleb was so wholesome. What did you learn about the way that you wanted to be loved? I just need somebody to be calm with me because I think that I'm an anxious individual. Honestly, I am very anxious. And so I feel like when Scotty has his little moments, I used to be overly trying to explain myself and I did nothing wrong.

But I think I got to a point where in my self-development, I mean, I go to therapy. I then go, I started to go to therapy because I realized that I was emotionally reactive. And so it's maybe something he would hurt my feelings and I would maybe like lash out and like not like be kind with my words. And I feel like that was like, okay, I'm gonna work on this.

But I started to realize like, okay, why am I working so hard on myself and trying for this relationship when I don't feel like the person I'm in the relationship with sees that there's any issues. And so it was really the calmness of Caleb. I'm also very aware three weeks is not enough

to see somebody's ugly, like it's not. And so I really wanna to clear the air. I had never in my life thought I was gonna leave with Caleb. Like my edit looks like, yes, I think I was definitely having a little baby crush, but like it was never anything deeper than that. Like I never was like, oh, I'm gonna run off with Mariah's man.

Fuck my man. Like I was like, that's not what I came on. I was really trying to show how committed I was to the person I came with. Thank you for trying to show how committed I was to the person I came with. Thank you for clarifying that. Can you speak to one thing, I guess, I really didn't understand your POV from watching it back was what came across is your insistence

on trying to get Caleb to acknowledge a connection between the two of you. And while I don't doubt there was a connection, I'm watching it and thinking, it seemed like he thought acknowledging that would be disrespecting his girlfriend. And to me, it came across as like, I don't know, maybe there's a connection, I don't know,

but like he just wants to call it a friendship. And I was comfortable as a viewer with him trying to protect that. But like, how did you see it in real time? And what are your thoughts on that? So you guys don't see how often, like often he said it. Like it was to like an overboard amount of times.

Like anytime I feel like he got a chance to talk about our connection, it was like friendship, friendship, friendship. But off camera, he's so calculated. Caleb is a good guy. I respect him, but he is very calculated. So I feel like he would put on this, I don't wanna call it a front

because I think he truly is a good guy, but he was very in his head when cameras were there. But then once cameras weren't there, we had two days off, he was so different, so chill, so laid back. And we actually, we were hanging out outside of just the producer dates ideas. We would actually hang out with each other, talk about things.

And so there was like, and his vibe, I know what a friend vibe is, that was not it. There'd be little side comments. And so it wasn't disrespectful. Every time he was trying to respect his girlfriend, but I think that for me, I was just like, bro, it's not that deep, just say it like I don't I don't Get it like I didn't understand it

And then I think watching it back it really bothered me that he was gaslighting his girlfriend like I was like she obviously wants to talk about something because you you spent three weeks with someone and Something that isn't featured because he wouldn't say it on Camera which I thought was interesting But the two top choices that he wanted to be with, and he told Mariah, which caused her to have insecurity, was he was like Chanel and Aria. And so then us matching with each other, she's like, you know, like panicking because she's like, well, this was someone that was his like top two.

And then so I feel like for me, what was hard to watch was how he was never reassuring to her about just even talking about it. He would just shut her down. And I feel like I've talked to Mariah off like outside of the reunion and like I really truly just think she deserves somebody that wants to just like, yeah, she's a serious girl. But like, you want to be heard when you know, you're like, she I couldn't imagine being by myself for three weeks.

Like, you know, and so for him to just like shut her off and be like, I didn't do anything, like, can you just be happy? Like, it kind of was like that. That makes sense. Fair enough. Where, what are you up to now? Like, what are you dating?

Are you, have you moved on? Like, how long you and Scott have been broken up for? We've been broken up since September. So it has not been that long. And no, I'm not dating. I am so like, I don't wanna say I'm like jaded by men, but like I'm off of men for right now. Like I definitely know that like, you know,

if intentions are there and there's like just intentions and actually healed a healed person, it knows their triggers, knows their traumas and all that, then yes, maybe, but right now, I am speed dial with my therapist, she's telling me I need a year to myself, and so I'm kinda going on that wave. But yeah, I'm just really working and focusing on myself,

being surrounded by family, friends, and honestly, I think why this hasn't been as hard is because I do have a really good support system. That's great to hear. What are your thoughts on just kind of the overall experience and the rest of the cast? Were there any surprises as a viewer? No, I was not surprised because with JR.

Yeah, is he a shady? Is he came across as a viewer? Yeah, for sure. I feel like with JR, I mean. I feel like with J.R. I mean, I was going on dates with him. I think I saw something that Zayna talked about, and I think he knew that type of woman I was. So he kind of wanted to be whatever I wanted him to be.

And then I feel like their date, that's when I started to see the cracks where I was like, what are your intentions? And I was like, I are your intentions? And I was like, I don't know if he's gonna respect my boundaries, because I'm not going to be making out with you. Slapping my ass is crazy. Like when I saw that I was like that insane. So I feel like for me, yeah, everything panned out in the way that how how he is and that that's his character. And I think, okay,

whatever he gets out of this show, good for him, but he's never going to get a quality woman because he's not a quality man. Period. Period. I do have one random question. We noticed that your background kind of looks similar to Scottie's. Is it- Oh, does it? No. Yeah. Okay. No, I actually, I live in a, so I live in a one bedroom and I made the living room my bedroom

and the room my closet, because I have a lot of clothes. Okay. And it's not, no, it's not the same, we're not in the same city. He's in LA actually and I'm in the Bay. When Scotty zoomed in and talked to us, you know, we didn't know, you know, we hadn't seen the end.

Yeah, yeah. And his zoom name, what was it? Scotty and Aria. His Zoom name was Scotty and Aria. And we saw it. We actually had to be like, hey, you gotta change that because we didn't wanna like spoil anything. And I'm thinking, holy shit, they're together still. You know, and I'm watching the whole thing

and I watched, you know, you guys get engaged and I'm just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that they're shockingly still together. And then I forgot who I was talking to, Natalie or one of you guys or something. And like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that they're shockingly still together. And then I forgot who I was talking to, Natalie or one of you guys or something. And like, no, they're broken up. And I'm like, huh? And so, yeah, anyways.

Yeah, I don't even know what that Zoom would be. Like maybe that's like our Zoom from when we were doing couples therapy or something, but yeah, no. Maybe, I don't know. Do you think he's accepted the fact that you guys are done? No, I don't think so. I think that he still thinks that there's hope. And I don't know, I'm not holding my breath, honestly. I feel like if there wanted to be

change, it would have happened. I feel like for me, I'm happy that he's seeing that he has issues now that the public has their opinion, but it just doesn't feel genuine. So it's like for him to like plea to me and tell me like, you know, I can do this, I can be this for you. It just seems like very, just like, it doesn't seem genuine for me. And I didn't need time. Yeah, it's tough for someone like him in that situation because I believe that he believes it.

You know what I'm saying? I believe that he believes that he's willing and capable of making whatever changes He needs to make and I believe that he is embarrassed by what he's seen But like like you said like he would only be doing it for you and he can't do it for you He has to do it for himself, right? And that and and the type of change that he really needs to to invoke does take time He really needs to sit in it.

He really needs to be comfortable with like not wanting to act the way he does and things like that. And the problem with someone like Scotty in this situation, I almost feel bad for him because in his mind, his willingness to acknowledge his fault, it's insincere in the fact that if he can identify a problem, then he can fix the problem. And his willingness to acknowledge his fault. It's insincere in the fact that if he can identify a problem, then he can fix the problem. And his willingness to identify the problem is, to me, comes across

as centered around the fact that he wants to get his way. And what he wants is to be with you. And so he's willing to see the problem because he knows he can fix the problem. If he really thought there was no way of getting back together with you, I would really be curious of how willing he was still willing to change. Because once he lost hope of you guys getting back together, is he really still motivated to make those changes? And I think when we want to change for someone else, we convince ourselves that it's internal, but at the end of the day, we want to get what we want and what he wants is you. Yeah I yeah I mean all I can do is like hope that like he wants to work on himself just to work on himself because of how maybe like

watching yourself back being like man I just I could have dealt with that way differently like even for me like watching back how I was speaking to Mariah at girls night I feel like I was really just trying to like tell her like, girl, you know, there's been instances already in the past where you're like, you know, in a way badgering your partner, and he feels exhausted. And then she was doing it in the experience. And so I was trying to like, tell like nudge her and tell her that without busting her out, like I did in the reunion. And so I was trying to like, tell like nudge her and tell her that without busting her out like I did in the reunion.

And so I was trying to do that. And so it's like my delivery could have been better. And so watching myself back, I was like, ooh, like I apologize to Mariah and I talked to her about it. And so I feel like for him it's the accountability thing. And you can't teach somebody that they just need to want to do that. And so I really just hope that he does his healing, you know, and works on the things

that he needs to work on. But like, I mean, I'm only going to put good energy out there that he does that, but I'm not going to like, hold my breath again for anything to change because it just we've been together for as long as we've been together and it didn't change. So I just I don't know. Going back a little bit, what were your thoughts about Scotty and Zana's trial marriage watching it back?

Like, did you see things that reflected your relationship or did it make things clearer or like how we spoke about their initial connection? Okay, so I feel like I saw that there was an initial connection obviously and so that's why I got jealous. We actually had some rules going into this experience. So that was one of them not to be physical in front of each other. And so and not get drunk, like only no max more than three drinks.

And so that was everything went out the window. I feel like once the experience happened, so I was freaking out. And so I knew that there wasn't an initial attraction. I saw that she liked the fact that he wanted to get married. And so, and I mean, Zaina is a beautiful being, like inside and out. And I love her. We're actually friends now.

So, and that's actually someone I talk to probably the most out of everybody. And so it's very interesting, like, you know how that dynamic happened, but watching it back and watching how he handled, like, situations, I know he was triggered. And I think when he's triggered about something, you know, attacking his characters, what he will say,

he doesn't, he's not nice with his words. And so he will, if he feels like somebody's cutting at him, he's trying to cut at you with his words. And so watch, I was just disappointed, to be honest. cut at you with his words. And so, watch, I was just disappointed to be honest. Like I was like, oh, like you don't even know this girl. It's like he wants to be the good guy so bad that he's not even willing to consider that he is capable of not. Not. Yeah. You know, we all have those. Of course we all do. Yeah. Yeah. I like, like when he said something at guys night, which it wasn't a lie,

he was like, oh, our fights can be visceral. I was aware that I'm on TV, okay? I know I have my breaking points where sometimes I will, it's either I shut down, which what you guys saw is I shut down. The other part of me is I will snap back and I'll be like, don't talk to me like that. But I was like, do I want to be that that. And I'll, you know, and, but I was like,

do I want to be that person on camera? Like, do I want to do that? And I was hoping that he would wanna work through that, like on camera, maybe talk differently, but it didn't change. I don't think he knows how, yeah. I don't think he has that self-awareness. Yeah, and so, yeah, so I was just disappointed, honestly,

but was I surprised? No, I wasn't surprised. I was like bringing up her age multiple times. Like, for what? You guys aren't even like, she's not old. Like, you're not old. Like, what is this? I forgot about that. That was crazy. Two years difference. Did he ever take you cold plunging? Cryotherapy.

Hot air balloons with these dates that you went on? Yeah, I went on. I actually I'm super into a lot of like outlandish things. And I think that's why maybe when he was, you know, saying his examples of like things he wanted to do with her and she shut it down automatically. I'm not someone who shuts ideas down automatically. I'll listen to somebody's ideas and potentially even if I'm scared, I'm like, okay, let's try it together.

This is going to be new and fun. And so I think for him, he was like, dang, she didn't even like, like want to talk about it. And so maybe he was triggered in that moment because, you know, she didn't want to even like talk about it. But it was very childish, like how it looks like, yes, there was cuts and they made it very dramatic. But I still think like, yes, he was probably upset. I wasn't there. But I did watch, you know, the interview with Zayna and we ended up actually, I've done cryotherapy with him and I've also done, I did the hot air balloon actually, the show, the producers set that up

and it was a beautiful moment, it was great. They didn't air that, but, and yeah, I was a little scared. I'm kind of afraid of heights, but it was actually very beautiful and fun. But yeah, I just, I think he doesn't realize that, when you're in a partnership, it can't always be your way, and I think that something he's always kind of thought is like, oh, she doesn't let me lead,

is something he would say to me, or express to other people, like when he was talking to Zaina, and it's like, no, I want someone to lead, but I don't want someone to only think about themselves. Leading isn't getting what you want when you want it all the time. I feel like that's not the same, Scotty. Aria, thank you for your time.

Thank you for your transparency, and it's been a joy to watch you. Best of luck in the future. Hopefully this was an overall rewarding experience, and I hope you learn to appreciate it more and more as time goes on. Yeah, I have no regrets at all. Thank you guys for having me.

But yeah, no regrets for doing the ultimatum. I do think that it was really beneficial for me. I think I was able to see a lot that I needed and didn't even know I needed and able to really just choose myself at the end of everything. Well, thank you for your time. It's been a joy to watch you and happy holidays.

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I don't believe her. The second she was like, we're not together, I was like, lie. I love her, I love Aria. I obviously was not there for that. We were not there. Aria was gracious enough to wake up very early before work. Some of us came in.

So did y'all call her out and say like- We asked her, yeah, no. Did you say we think you're lying? No. I respect Aria, so I kept it to myself. Well, first we asked if she was single, and she said yes, that she's not ready to date. She's so single, not dating.

Learning about herself. In her defense, it could be like a duplicate apartment in two different cities that look modern and the same. Or maybe, you know, if Scotty is having a hard time, like she's still his friend, she's there to support him, and she's just hanging out, because they never lived together. Well, she said he's in Los Angeles

and she's in San Francisco. She called in at eight in the morning. Oh, so she just lied. She called in at eight. She did say they moved in for a little bit, so they have lived together. Okay. He is also a late lord. So the finale and the reunion.

I think if you have a QR code in your nails, you ate. Yeah. She is a bad bitch till the day she dies. I don't care what's on the nails. I love her. Until in her grave, she is a bad bitch. For that move, it was so iconic, and her just being like, anyone have their phones? Great, I just do have a QR code under my nail.

Perfect, there are the receipts. That was awesome. It's in a folder named receipts. I was like, ah! I'm like, who is your nail girl? No, her nail girl is so talented. That is insane. And I feel like we have been right about Scotty and JR

all along, they both still suck to this day. Mm-hmm. The whole Hall Pass thing and them playing all that footage back made me want to vomit so many times over and over and over again. The constant disrespect that this man just like didn't give a fuck about Zayn. And this was what the first day they got there where they're just like meeting the other people. It's the who said Hall Pass and it's you said hall pass. You fucking said hall pass. The fuck?

And then for him to be like well that's not what I meant. No y'all are taking that out of context. That's not how I said. If I had said something that like I regretted I would not bully somebody and accuse them of saying it. I would be like let's forget this ever happened. That's crazy. Anyway, so what are y'all doing for the holidays?

I don't know. Let's never talk about it again. JR's problem is that he's so comfortable being himself that he forgot it ever happened was kind of the problem. Yeah, he probably thought that like they, cause there was, I don't think there was video footage of him saying it, right? It was just like audio. No, there was. He says Hall Pass there was video footage of him saying it, right, it was just like audio?

No there was. He says Hall Pass the first night, yeah. I'm here for a Hall Pass. Crazy, he probably, yeah, he probably forgot that, you know, they were recording him with the camera. And then he asked for $10,000 to do press. Yeah. Not getting it from us.

The goal that this man thinks that he has is just bonkers to me. Like, first of all, we all fucking hate you on this show. No one likes you. And now you think someone's gonna pay you 10 grand to come talk about how shitty of a person you were on this show? He does have the most amount of followers,

which is interesting. He's definitely bought that. You know what? Have the followers. There's no way, like, who's buying stuff from this man if he starts influencing? What makes me happy is that he is, or he's asking for $10,000, he's not gonna get it, which means I don't have to hear his side of the story.

So no one's gonna pay for that. Cause his side of the story's gonna be a fucking lot. Yeah, no one needs to pay for that. His side of the story's not gonna be true. And then Scotty, the just disrespect of this man to like, won't even let Zaina speak. And like, ugh, I just cannot with these men. It's ridiculous.

Then there's Nick and Sandy, who, spoiler alert, are on next week's episode of Going Deep. There are only two episodes next week. We have an Ask Nick on Monday on the 23rd of December. Take some time with your families, enjoy the holidays. And we are back on Thursday the 26th, the day after Christmas,

and if you wanna get some tea from Nick and Sandy, they joined us together. Honestly, we're shocked they showed up together. We didn't really. Because they're not together, they're broken up. They are not together. They're not pulling Aria and Scotty. They didn't come from the same background.

It was a fascinating interview, without giving too much away. It was a little uncomfy at times. We obviously, watching this, I think we both were very critical of Sandy. I apologized to her for some of my remarks. Yeah, when talking to them, we didn't really know what to expect. The more we talked to them,

the more it felt like, cause Sandy kept kind of referencing, there's more to the story, there's more to the story, which we kind of. Well, and just her words during the show of like her big accusations of you tormenting me and you attacking me and you neglecting me. I just was like, where is this coming from?

They address a lot of that. I think also when you do listen or watch this, I think it's important to kind of listen to the things that aren't said in a way. I don't know if you get what I'm saying, but like. Their subtext. Yeah, I think maybe Nick might be more problematic than he. Seems like there's some stuff that happened

that maybe they agreed they would not air out in public. Yeah. Which I respect. They're right. Listen, yeah, if you don't, you know. Yeah. that happened that maybe they agreed that they would not air out in public. Which I respect. They're right. Listen, yeah. If you don't, you know. Yeah. Anyways, it's a fascinating conversation

between the two of them. You should definitely tune into that next week. What did you think of Dave and Vanessa showing up? Bitch, get. I'm fucking over it. No. Yeah. No, and I said this to Nick and Vanessa,

and I'll say it here because you'll hear this first. They should have stayed on their fucking couch. Like the way that Vanessa and Dave, you left the show. Okay, Chanel and Micah, like they're on TikTok lives. Like they're thriving, they're doing great. Why Vanessa and Dave thought they needed this 15 minutes of fame so bad. Like you gave up on the show, you left.

We don't need you back. They were both annoying. We don't need you back. They were both annoying. We don't need you back. Then they come back to only like air out. Lecture? Like yeah, lecture and talk about like her time with her day with Nick.

It's like, and I have zero respect, especially coming from a fucking woman, to tell anyone when it is their time to deal with their trauma, to go to therapy, to get help. Like that's not her fucking place. She doesn't know this man. She spent 24 hours with him. And you feel like now you're going to come on a national TV show and tell

him in front of everyone, it's your time to get, it's your time to get help. Like you think that's going to help him. It's only going to make it fucking worse. Now you're telling the fucking world that he has all these issues and all this trauma and like that he needs all these issues and all this trauma and that he needs help. Sorry, but I have zero respect for that. You should have stayed at home on your couch.

We didn't need you. You're hot. I just can't take it. It's just like, and then Dave literally said fucking nothing. We didn't need you. We didn't need you. Yeah, I will say Vanessa, her speaking out, there might be a woman's intuition there.

I don't know. She's saying he's a walking red flag. It has nothing really to do with whether she's right or wrong, it's just not her place. And she's not doing it for the greater good. And she's not doing it for Nick. She's doing it to get her moment. And I'm not downplaying her experience with him. I have no idea what he did to her.

She said he was rude. Obviously I have no respect for that. Like, I'm not downplaying anything she went through. What I am downplaying is she left the show, she chose Dave. She chose a life with Dave. Pop the fuck off and live your life with Dave. You don't get to come back on this show and lecture and air out what happened with this man.

Like, you don't have the right, you left. If we are talking about serious things, it comes across as so performative. And for her to be like, you lied, you weren't homeschooled. He's like, I what? She's like, for a semester, you're a liar. It's like, what the fuck? I'm sorry, does that not count?

A semester's kind of a long time. And he was like, it was for a year. It's like, who gives a fuck, he was homeschooled. Why come on here and be like, you're a liar. I do agree with you with the context that they're on their PR tour right now, like speaking to articles. Oh, she hasn't stopped chirping on TikTok.

I'm like. It's like, I went to Paris. No, you didn't. I went for a day. Not long enough. It's like, huh? Yeah. Fucking weird.

You're making TV show. If you're a producer, you don't care if people are doing it just to be famous. If they're gonna come on and be messy, you're gonna say yes, you're gonna see what you got, you'll err at, it's something to talk about. They wanted that against Nick. They're like, oh, you wanna come out here

and spill some? Sure, yeah, come talk shit. You wanna call them dangerous? Okay. Sure. But bring them on. They're only there for five minutes. They literally came out to say that and then to leave. That's all that they did.

We got no update on, not that I really give a bug, but like- Well, we did, that they're, they still wanna get married, but haven't built up. Thank God. So nothing's happened. Thank God I know that about Vanessa and Dave, that they are still like at some point in their lives,

gonna get married. I feel like everything I learn about Vanessa and Dave, I learn against my will. That just like, honestly, it triggers me so bad because like telling someone that their trauma is like now they need to deal with it. Like who are you? They are getting a lot of hate about that on the internet.

They should, she had zero right to do that. How did you feel about Aria calling out Caleb with the watching of the stories? That was weird. It was like she's, she cannot accept the fact. I hope y'all asked her about some of this. We did, and she's very well spoken. She leaned in.

She did the same thing to us that she did at the reunion. Yeah, that he was not who he claimed to be kind of thing. Which maybe he wasn't, we're only seeing clips, we're only seeing part. She called Caleb calculated, I don't know. Mariah was the one who clearly wanted to do this show, right? Yes. Caleb very much gave one who clearly wanted to do this show, right? Like, if Caleb, it felt like, Caleb very much gave, I got dragged to do this.

She gives very type A personality, you know, very structured. I don't agree with that, because if he got dragged to do this, the second that Dave left his girl, he would have been like, babe, let's get the fuck out of here, because I didn't even want to come here.

I mean, once he was there for the experience, I mean, he was like, once he was paired up with another woman, he was like, babe, let's get the fuck outta here because I didn't even wanna come here. I mean, once he was there for the experience, I mean, he was like, wait, man. Nick is here for the experiment. Once he was paired up with another woman, he was like, you know what? Maybe I'll stay. Let's see where this goes. I mean, whatever, who knows what. But it's just like, I don't, I still,

I guess I don't agree with Aria. It's just like, her big thing was, well, he was just different off camera. And I'm just like, I mean, yeah, I mean, a lot of people don't know how to do reality TV and they get self-conscious about being on camera and maybe they're just not comfortable with, I don't know, sharing. I don't find that to be inauthentic.

I find that to be like, I don't know, maybe this guy isn't good at TV. Yeah. And it just seems weird to the man that he, you know. I wanna see the screenshots. But it's like he is engaged with Mariah. They seem happy. They traveled the West Coast or whatever the hell they did.

And for your like, her only thing was like, you're viewing my stories and liking my stories. But I'm saying there's there's context missing where I would love to hear from his perspective. And I wish I would have thought to ask her this, but it's like, why does she think he blocked her? Because I'm like, there clearly had to have been some sort of something that happened to where he would hit the block button versus. Or maybe him and Mariah just came to like,

let's just like block these people from our. Remember she said, she goes, I didn't know about any of this. She knew about the blocking. She said something about like, the blocking I was aware of, it was like the other liking and stuff she didn't't know which I also didn't appreciate her like coming after Caleb in that moment of like we're on TV like you're just looking at someone's

stories is the most meaningless thing ever act ever but also women and like there was a time in my life before you Nick where I was like only you know it's like oh my god, I get it. Like, they're obsessed with me, they viewed my story. The thing about liking a story is it's either, means absolutely nothing, and you're just liking a story, or it is the most important thing in the world. Sure, but it's, I'm just kidding.

It doesn't even go to your DMs, it's literally just like, you just scroll down on who viewed your story, and it's like, heart, heart, heart, heart, that's all it is. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I thought they left on seemingly decent terms. But depending on the delusion in your brain in the moment. and it's like heart, heart, heart, heart. That's all it is. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I thought they left on seemingly decent terms. But depending on the delusion in your brain in the moment.

So why is it a crime for Caleb to interact with someone he's been like, she's my friend. Oh, but that's, it's not. That's why I wish I would have asked her because to Mary's point where I'm like, I had a roommate where it was like, anytime a certain guy that she went on a date with, he's not texting you, he's not calling you,

he's not asking to hang out, but he watched your story, which means he must be obsessed with you. But she was looking for it. That's what I'm saying, is it what you wanted to believe? But he, he's not asking to hang out, but he watched your story, which means he must be obsessed with you. Right, she was looking for it. That's what I'm saying, is it what you wanted to believe? But he said he also did it to Zaina. That's what he said. So that's why I'm like- And Zaina wasn't like, no, you didn't. Zaina was just like, no, I did.

She's like, no, I post great stuff, don't I? Sometimes you just be liking stories. But I didn't love that Mariah went after her fiance on live television in front of everyone. I wish she would have been like, listen, I wasn't aware of that. That's definitely a conversation we need to have in private, but like, thanks for bringing it to my attention. These are all definitely messy people. Yeah, but none of them would last a day

in Salt Lake City or Beverly Hills or with any of these girls. I will say after talking to Sandy. She could. She is far less messy. Yeah. Than I thought. She clasped me. She could have been mess far less messy. Yeah. Than I thought. She clashed me.

She could have been messier and she was like. She's great. She really, again, listen to it next week, but she really wanted to speak her truth, but was unwilling to be messier than she easily could have was the vibe I had. Yeah. She's willing to let people have assumptions about her and be wrong and be wrong

Then you know sacrifice her personal relationships. Yeah, and that kind of does a lot which is very cool Yeah, yeah, then like the opposite of potentially aria Coming on talking some mad shit. Mm-hmm from her boyfriend her not boyfriend her maybe not kind of boyfriend I mean, we love you ariaria, but like that was kinda shit. And maybe he thinks that there's a chance they're gonna still get back together. Well, yeah, I mean, it's not that crazy because yeah, if it's Scotty, he's very much giving

I haven't given up on us type of thing. She said that. Put Aria Sandy in a room with Camille Grammer and that's a good show. Oh my God. She is back. Camille Grammer. She saw the Frasier reboot happening

and she said, not on my watch. She said Paramount Plus, fuck that, get me on Bravo. Well, and for context, so they've been trying to bring Camille Grammer back for a while, like audience members love her. She's part of like, not the OG, but like, Yeah, she's OG. So she's part of the-

You wouldn't say they, you mean fans? The fans, but also like we know that Ultimate Girl's Trip is also a way to test, like screen test old personalities and see if they still land. Camille was part of the Morocco season that got canceled because of Brandi. So like they tried testing her. She showed up to the Wii dinner too, right?

Last season, so she's been in like, slowly they're trying to reinfinite her. And now she's back and it's Dorit versus Camille. Dorit, she's a, This is our season, man. Doreet is not fucking around. She's taking zero shit from anyone. She's saying the C word. She said, see you next Tuesday. And I loved it every time.

No, she said, I didn't call you an effing C word. I called you a stupid C word. And I was joking. She said it with her chest. But now I think you're a stupid fucking C word. This word is like the word of Beverly Hills. I love this word so much. Ever since Erika Jayne. I'm a fan of it.

It's a good word. It is. Well, Erika Jayne wore. You can't say that it's a good word. Erika Jayne wore a necklace. I'll shut the fuck up. I was just saying Erika. You're all like, it's the best word ever.

I'm like, yeah, it is. And you're like, nope. Nope, not for you. No, not for you. Not for you. All I have to say is Erika. like, it's the best word ever. I'm like, yeah, it is. You're like, nope. Nope, nope, nope. No, you're not. No, you're not. All I have to say is, I would never say it to a lady. Holy shit, Justin.

I'm saying nothing. The way that Justin has been trying to get this out for so long. Five times, I was like, okay. Sorry, Justin, go ahead. It's not important. Justin, you are important. I was just trying to say,

Erika Jane wore a necklace that said the C word like six seasons ago and we learned her lesson never to say it again until Duree and until now until now I mean listen I Unfortunately am still team Duree through this because Sutton is unfortunately well because obviously You know it wasn't a nice thing to say to Camille You know you know I don't I don't back mean girl behavior. If Angie just came out of nowhere with high body count hair, I would have been like, mmm, mean girl Angie, but Brittany started that whole thing.

You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I guess, but I've been kind of seeing, I just feel like Dorit's been kind of everyone's punching bag for a moment. She's finally like, fuck it, I'm not going to let people punch down to me. Camille shows up No where starts fucking talking shit and Doreen's defending herself. I don't feel like that's it's like why are you here? Yeah, I was wondering that same guy. I was like Camille. She was jabbing back Okay, and Camille's just right like everyone's saying that they need to support Doreen and she's like well

Some people here weren't supportive of me during my tough time. Toe-tee-guammer. And you came to my house with her. And then Erica's like, my name is Erica Jane. And I was like, Erica, my name is Erica. We're not forgetting Erica Jane's name. Erica being like, we've all been through this. I'm like, Camille, this is not how you fight

to get back on the cast and you don't know your cast member's names. I will, I will. she was on seasons with Erica I feel like forgetting your cast members name is actually would get you back on the show It's good. Yeah, the whole like I've been through stuff Well, I've also been through stuff and like well I three have been through stuff It's like oh come on Victoria Justice we all

Can sing there's not one woman on that cast that has not been divorced We've all done it. Come on, everyone in this world, we're all like. Victoria, Justice, we all can sing. There's not one woman on that cast that has not been divorced. Literally. Like that's what I'm saying, like your isolated divorce 10 years ago from Kelsey Grammer, no difference from what Kyle's going through, Dorit is going through.

Camille was making the point that it happened within the same season that Camille needed support, but Dorit was. And she wasn't getting support from Dorit. But Tenali's point, when you have a bunch of privileged women fighting over who has the saddest life- But they also all have been through very traumatic things. Sure, they have.

And I imagine being married to Kelsey Grammer was not- And if nothing else, Housewives teaches a valuable lesson that no matter how lucky and how privileged you are, that trauma and pain and suffering and sadness and anxiety like touches us all. Can I just share a little season one, Camille lore? Yes. Camille was actually put on the show because Kelsey was having an affair

and he was out working in New York and wanted to keep Camille busy. So he had her sign up or be a housewife. And then obviously the affair and everything comes to light season one. What a piece of shit. Yeah. I hate Kelsey Graham.

Who is Kelsey Graham? Frazier. Frazier. That means nothing to me, I will say. I'm young. Okay, so, okay, okay. And hot. Sitcom lore, sitcom lore, sitcom lore.

Frazier Crane was a character on the hit show Cheers. And then he gets a spinoff called Frazier. Nothing? Which is very, very popular in the 90s. He played like a basically a therapist who was kind of an elitist out of touch person. And also like drink at a bar. Yeah, but then like his dad comes to live with him

and there's this dog and then it's like fish out of water and there are different kinds of people. Anyway, there's now a Frasier reboot on Paramount+. There's not one movie I could even think to reference that you would know. Yeah. But he's done a lot. Okay, well pop a Frasier reboot on Paramount Plus. There's not one movie I could even think to reference that you would know. Yeah. But he's done a lot. Okay, we'll pop off, Frasier.

Is Frasier Team Sutton? Cause I am. I mean, that's crazy being able to get your wife to keep her preoccupied. That's so evil. I almost have to applaud how evil that is though. It's awful. Don't do it, never do it.

Don't do it, don't do it. Don't do it, but. Awesome. That's crazy. Wait, Justin, why are you Team Sutton? I am Team Sutton and Garcelle to the grave. Why? One, because I like what they're like,

I like their friendship, I like what Sutton stands for. What does Sutton stand for? She stands for being a good mother, being. Based on? One, I will say the one time that I interacted with, and Sierra clocks me for this, I interacted with Sutton like the second I graduated and like I didn't know what I was doing in life,

but I worked on her after show. I sat with her and had like a full on conversation and the thing she said to me was giving mother. And since then I'm like, well, what's the same with that for mother? Yeah, you had a real life experience with her. That is different. That's definitely different.

You're allowed to be team Sutton to the Great. You've had a real life experience with her. And Garcelle. We're just talking about what we see on TV. The crazy thing to me that Garcelle said today, or on today, on this episode, was that she thinks that Dorit was set up for her robbery and that she was like,

I think Dorit happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. And then we just didn't, we just went to commercial. Yeah, Sutton wasn't like, oh, well, like who? There are people in that community who think there's more to the story when it comes to the Doruret and PK home robbery. I wonder if Garcelle is gonna elaborate

because that was like the most biggest bomb with no fallout. For them to just cut to commercial, I was like, oh, oh, and now we're moving on? No, Sutton, Sutton had no questions. I kind of wish Garcelle didn't bring it up because she did get some flack from Reunion because she's taking someone's trauma and being like, well, that was fake.

And like, Garcelle did apologize for it and then she brought it up again. I don't understand the whole act. Well, she didn't say it was fake. She thinks Dorit was set up. So she changed it, yeah. I guess I don't understand that taking someone's trauma, it's housewives, it's all trauma.

Like, how do you determine what trauma is usable and what trauma is off limits? Well, I think someone saying a gun to your head was made up. That is... And your kids were in the next door And you weren't like yeah, and I love Garcelle, but I was like no No, I remember being like definitely not team Garcelle in that that was fucked up for sure Garcelle does kind of operate like she's untouchable

She should what I think she is Justin loves her I also I mean her Malibu house is that from rags to riches. That was an insane transformation. A self-made person. All I know is that Jennifer Tilly has like five fucking homes and I wanna be her. The fact that she has two homes in Bel Air, Bel Air, the real estate.

Right next to each other. She has a playhouse. But one is a playhouse to have parties. I don't think you guys understand how rich she is. She is exactly who should be. She is the exact kind of person that should have this amount of money. I love how she's like, I'm't think you guys understand how rich she is. She is exactly who should be she is the exact kind of person that should Have this I love how she's like I'm a professional poker player because you can't spend enough money Yeah, Tiffany having a custom Having a house in Malibu, but she doesn't go there because it goes lives there

And they don't like her when they're there she She and then they cut to Erica's little little home. If we get Jennifer Tillian, do you think she'll bring Tiffany? I'm sure if you ask her to. Yeah, I'm sure. If you ask to be coming out, Tiffany would love to come out of the house for a little bit. Jennifer, if you come on, can you please bring Tiffany? Wait, going to Erica, have you noticed that her therapist is like almost in every pizza party with Erica and her interior designer?

Yeah, it's a therapist and designer still holding on to this victim mindset. It is. It's different scene with Erica. Yep, and her interior designer. Yeah, it's a therapist and designer. Erica is still holding on to this victim mindset. It is wild. It's different though. She's taking- She still needs her quote unquote therapist to remind her. She's taking accountability though. So she's acknowledging the past season she was-

Her therapist had to remind her of her accountability. That's not exactly taking her accountability. I mean, the therapist is feeding lines for sure. She was like, you know, it was kind of your fault. It was your fault that you didn't get the pizza party. Yeah, she's like, you know, you kind of, you kind of like, you know, it was kind of your fault. It was your fault that you didn't get the pizza party. Yeah, she's like, you know, you kind of, you kind of like, you know, the earrings and the whole, like, you know, stealing from poor people.

Yeah. I'm a victim. That was her husband who was stealing from poor people. Erica did not take appropriate accountability. And she acknowledges that. Yeah, and she acknowledges that. Her therapist, again, had to remind her of that when she brought up the pizza party.

I do think she can- And the therapist was like, yeah, yeah, but like- She conveniently uses her therapist to feed lines for sure. Yeah. My therapist also does remind me of things. I also feel like Erika kind of has a hard time articulating feelings or like when she's hurt.

So it's like, I think that crutch kind of helps her because even when they were saying about her history of shoulds with this group of women and how her own list of shoulds that the woman should have done for her in the sense of you have expectations of your friends, but instead of saying like, hey, this isn't how this happened for me,

or like you guys didn't show up for me, instead she gets angry or reactive. And so then it never gets the reaction from her friends that she wants because they're like, why are you so mad? Like you're the one in the wrong. Instead of it being like, I'm mad because this is how I can express my hurt.

Erika just has not been able to say that. She also did say the lexapro and alcohol combination, yeah, finally. Yeah. You know, yeah, was not conducive to her expressing her feelings. You don't think Sutton's a bit reactive? I never said she wasn't reactive. I said, I'll defend her to the grave. I do think the Sutton and Dorit element of it though is kind of wild. Like it does feel like no matter what one of them says something and it triggers the other one

instead of them like asking for clarity. Also, I am so over this like whole Teddy didn't, she literally said, Teddy, I wouldn't consider her a close friend, but like we're friends. And all of these women are like, that's not what she said. Yeah, but you post her famous dad. And we keep doing a flashback

and that's literally what she said. And it's so frustrating her famous dad. And we keep doing a flashback and that's literally what she said. And it's so frustrating. I'm like, I wish they would just tell these women in the moment, like, okay, drop it, because she did say that. So like, it's fine. I think Teddy is securing her season. I think the editors are behind her.

I'm ready for her to come back. Do you think she just comes on or do you think she replaces somebody? Friend of one episode. Okay, Bravo expert. I don't want her back on, but I think she's good TV and she's every storyline now, so. She's a friend of even when she's not asked to be on.

She's like, they probably don't even have to pay her. No, they just gotta let it rock, let it roll, let the Bible belt come and save their soul. Okay, all right. Well, that does it for us today. I hope you all have a great week and we are back next week on Monday

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