The Viall Files - E870 - Traitors w/ Wells, Baldoni Keeps Suing, Matt and Rachael Breakup, RHOSLC Finale + Michael Imperioli

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Starting point is 00:01:54 to speak to an advisor, free of charge. Bet MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vilephiles Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick and Matt and Rachel broke up over the weekend. Sad. Didn't see that one coming. Did not see that coming. Did they break up or was he hacked? your host Nick and Matt and Rachel broke up over the weekend, sad. Didn't see that one coming. Did not see that coming. Did they break up

Starting point is 00:02:27 or was he hacked? So true. I mean, that was the strangest breakup post I've ever seen in my life. Like three hours after posting a cute reel of vacation. And then to use the photo from The Bachelor, which that was like the craziest fucked up season ending known to mankind.

Starting point is 00:02:44 Yeah, we'll get into that in a minute. But I will say, in Matt's defense, public breakups are hard, not a lot of playbooks for it, but I don't know who he was getting advice from. Definitely wasn't his buddy Tyler, I don't think. But I feel like they've just created such a relationship outside of The Bachelor, and I feel like they've tried to push themselves away from the franchise

Starting point is 00:03:01 as much as possible. And then to use that photo. Like they don't go to any events, they don't talk about it at all. I feel like neither of them hang out with anyone from the show and so it's so weird for him to use that photo. Of them meeting and then he like prayed on her

Starting point is 00:03:14 kind of thing, like he, from the internet. You know, it was like you know. Father God. You know when people like, you know, love all my religious friends out there but like sometimes people just presume they want you to pray on them. You know what I'm talking about?

Starting point is 00:03:27 It's just like you come up to them and let me just pray for you, on you, above you, all around you. Can you read it, Leia? Yeah, so he posted this and the caption was, Father God, give Rachel and I strength to mend our broken hearts. Give us a peace about this decision

Starting point is 00:03:43 to end our relationship that transcends worldly understanding. Shower our friends and family with kindness and love to comfort us and remind us that our joy comes from you, Lord." And then he put a broken heart emoji. Did we even know that he was this religious? Cause I wasn't aware.

Starting point is 00:03:58 This photo's also like, it almost looks like a screenshot. It didn't come from the archives. This is giving- Blagerized prayer. This is, yeah, this is giving like theology with Rachel's name put in. Can you break this down for us, Leia? Like break us down, break down the timeline for us.

Starting point is 00:04:16 First, Matt posts a video of him eating pizza. And Rachel's in this video of him eating pizza. And it appears to be from their trip to London. I think it's important to note that Matt has made a career post-batch or out of being a food influencer. The last time I saw Matt was in New York, me and my cousin, we were like, hey, we're gonna go slice a pizza.

Starting point is 00:04:36 And there was Matt just like also getting a slice of pizza and like giving his review. And so yeah, he's full on doing his thing, committed to the bit. And so like this gives like full on doing his thing, committed to the bit. And so this gives like, hey, I have this content that we recorded, don't wanna waste the content, so I'm still gonna post it

Starting point is 00:04:52 regardless of our relationships, that is. So I actually don't think that that's what happened. Why? So he posts that video four days ago. And then also four days ago, he posts their breakup. On the same day? On the same day. And then also four days ago, he posts their breakup. On the same day. On the same day. And then Rachel's sister kind of gives us

Starting point is 00:05:09 a little bit of clarity into what's happening. She left a comment saying they were still together when he was posting all that, just to give some perspective on the timeline of things. So if I'm reading that correctly and understanding what her sister is saying, they They were still and this is just from my understanding of this comment left by Rachel sister They were still together when Matt posted the pizza video and then they broke up between that Post and the breakup post. Okay. So there are many hours was in between hours three

Starting point is 00:05:43 I've been seeing the number three around. Well, didn't her sister make a comment, like three hours? The comment that her sister left was that they were still together when he was posting all of that, and I believe there were three hours in between the two posts. Gotcha, okay.

Starting point is 00:05:58 I can't see anymore how many hours were between, because it just says four days ago. We assume, because Matt made the post, that he was the one who ended the relationship, but we don't know if that's accurate. So Rachel hasn't said anything. She has liked a few comments, one of which was, the more I'm thinking about it, the more I think he completely blindsided her with this.

Starting point is 00:06:19 The breakup or the post? Then it said, give her some grace and let her respond in her own time. And Rachel liked that comment. So it's either that Matt blindsided her with something that led Rachel to break up with him or he blindsided her with the breakup. It could, it could be anything she hasn't responded. Or just, or the prayer post. Cause usually, I mean, like in my experience with like these bachelor

Starting point is 00:06:43 relationships or public breakups, usually the relationship ends long before people find out. There's usually like, hey, we should probably end this. If it's somewhat mutual, hey, we should break up. Even if it's not mutual, there's usually a normal reaction to what is a real relationship, and then eventually there's that awkward conversation of how do we tell people?

Starting point is 00:07:07 And lots of times people are like, I'm not ready to deal with that right now, I need to have my own moment to process. It sounds like whoever made the decision, Matt just quickly went to Instagram and said, well, I just gotta let the people know. I guess he just wants to keep it real, I don't know. I would say just let people ruminate on it for a second.

Starting point is 00:07:26 We didn't need to know. Talk to Rachel and figure out what y'all are doing. I feel like it's kind of weird to put something that's so definite where I'm like, y'all been together for so long. We, the public, didn't need to know that, and now I just read your caption and frayed for Rachel. Usually, eventually, usually you wanna tell people

Starting point is 00:07:43 because it's like if you're broken up and you wanna live your life, you don't wanna start rumors about, well why aren't they together? Or God forbid you get seen with someone from the opposite sex and people are speculating about cheating and things like that. But the fact that Matt seemingly rushed to the internet.

Starting point is 00:08:01 In a different country together? They were just in Japan. And then London. So do we even know if they're back in the US? Who knows? They could be together now, traveling. I mean. Broken up. Messy, messy, messy, messy.

Starting point is 00:08:14 None of us know the answer to that, but I do know that the London trip, I think, happened a while ago, so that's why people were confused because they were spotted in Japan together within the last week or two. Well. I think what's even more interesting is that the day before he posted the breakup, he congratulated Lindsay Arnold on her boob job.

Starting point is 00:08:32 Oh my God, I forgot about that. Which is so interesting because I feel like we've never seen them have any sort of like, we know they were partners when he was on Dancing with the Stars, but we've never. Did Lindsay post about it or something? Well, she's been kind of doing a like,

Starting point is 00:08:45 come with me as I get this boob job. And it's been very, like, she's been very open with everyone. Sure. But I just feel like they haven't shared any sort of like relationship on social media. Or maybe I just haven't been following along, but it's like. I'll be honest.

Starting point is 00:08:59 Even if they shared a relationship, she's married, you know, like. I think it was more so the comment. The comment was LMAOO congrats with two balloons, which the two balloons emoji choice was interesting. Could have put, you know, I feel like equally as worse, watermelons, milk jugs. Milk jugs.

Starting point is 00:09:23 Baby bottles. LMAO is also like a no congrats. I think it's sometimes, you know, us men should just not. Stay out of the comments. Yeah, you don't. I feel like that wasn't a place for him. There's not like a. Elamayo's just like. Like Peta was my dancing partner.

Starting point is 00:09:32 We remain friends. I try to wish her well. Like, but if, especially now that I'm in a relationship, like if I'm in a relationship and my partner is like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I. But if, especially now that I'm in a relationship, like if I'm in a relationship and my women friends are in relationships, there's things I just opt out of.

Starting point is 00:09:54 Like if they post a thirst trap, I opt out. You know? I don't, like I'm not there, I don't need to support everything they're doing. Right. You know? Like, and post your thirst trap. But talk about your breast augmentation.

Starting point is 00:10:04 I'm just not. I don't like. and that, post your thirst trap, talk about your breast augmentation. I'm just not. I don't like- Seen myself out of this conversation. Like if I'm Lindsay Arnold's husband, I'm like, what the fuck? Or Rachel Kirkconnell, like- Well, they're broken up, so. But they were together when he did this, supposedly.

Starting point is 00:10:17 I mean, it was before the thing, but it's like- Do you think that caused the breakup? Ooh. I don't know. I mean, I feel like I'd definitely be like, that was unnecessary. It's just weird. Maybe a text. You could have texted her and been like,

Starting point is 00:10:26 hey, hey mama, congrats. But that at least is like, why do it publicly? I just feel like there's just some things where I'm like, you could keep it simple with the congrats. If you're a part of the conversation, fine. But I'm just saying, I don't know their relationship. But for ultimate violence purposes, that if I ever saw my boyfriend commenting that

Starting point is 00:10:44 on a girlfriend's breast augmentation post, the way he would be skinned alive. It's the two O's and the LMAO and the balloons that like. It's giving fuck, boy. Yeah, there's boundaries. Yeah. Natalie, you solved it. He was hacked.

Starting point is 00:10:59 He was hacked. It's the only explanation for all of this. He had to have been hacked. This is crazy behavior for someone who's like seemingly just been like Chill but it's been four days and he hasn't said anything. Maybe he's actually the hacker He got access is like I need to relax. That was a lot Yeah, could you imagine though if that is the case and it's like in a couple of days

Starting point is 00:11:19 It's like all of that wasn't real but wasn't no but Rachel's comment like all of that wasn't real. But Rachel was commenting. She was liking it. Yeah, Rachel was in the middle. He wasn't happy. Her sister told him. This also puts, well, assuming that they remain broken up, a bow on, I think people forget

Starting point is 00:11:32 how Matt and Rachel got together, their relationship. Matt's season of The Bachelor being the first Black Bachelor. We all know what happened with Chris Harrison no longer being the host. But Rachel kind of obviously made the mistake that she made and we're not gonna like get into it. But I thought that AFR as a response to, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:53 what was going on with George Floyd, tensions being what they were, like was the most disgusting display of performative, like social justice that I think I've ever seen. And like the way that Rachel was like crucified on live TV so that the franchise and the people dealing with what was going on could feel better about themselves. And then, and then fans of Bachelor Nation at a time

Starting point is 00:12:17 where everyone was like posting their black squares and things like that, and, you know, being performative allies, like I thought it was really sad how Rachel was treated. And again, that's not to say that she didn't make the mistake that she made, but the response to what happened. I've had conversations with Matt since then. I mean, I'll never forget that night.

Starting point is 00:12:36 And I thought it was really gross behavior on the part of a lot of people during that time. But anyways, I wish Rachel and Matt the best. I hope that they move on, you know, and maybe Matt needs a crash course on internet advocacy. But, you know, weird. Anyways, speaking of weird, Justin Boudonis continuing to sue everybody.

Starting point is 00:12:57 He filed a lawsuit, I think over the weekend, another one after he filed a lawsuit against the New York Times. I mean, man, this guy, I'm more just like kind of surprised by the internet in general and the amount of people who are just trying so hard not to believe Blake Lively in this situation, maybe it shouldn't be surprising to me, but it is.

Starting point is 00:13:21 The amount of people I have commenting on my posts being like hashtag team Justin, A, I'm like, I know these are those bots. Yeah. Bot behavior. Well, yeah, let's not forget that, I do think a lot of people are forgetting, you know, just to kind of recap this whole drama.

Starting point is 00:13:38 In late December, Blake came out with her complaint against Justin, right? And I think a lot of people are forgetting that the focus of that complaint wasn't the sexual harassment, but it was the retaliation of the sexual harassment and the kind of the complaints that were laid out that Blake and Ryan or whatever,

Starting point is 00:13:57 that meeting that they had that said, here are all the things we'd like you to stop doing for us to feel safe and comfortable to continue filming this movie and finish our work so we could all just kind of go home and never talk to each other again, which included like the request that like Justin and his team would not retaliate. And again, the focus of that complaint was the retaliation part, which like included like tons of text messages and emails of like what is hard evidence of Justin's and

Starting point is 00:14:27 his team's intentions to destroy the credibility of Blake. All those messages about, hey this is the thing we need to do, a la like the same way they would like try to take down Haley Bieber. The statement of work that was an email that clearly laid out from Justin's Crisis PR team, once again, the crisis PR team that Johnny Depp's team hired to eviscerate Amber Heard's credibility. And it point by point, that statement of work to kind of laid out everything they plan on doing in terms of retaliating against Blake.

Starting point is 00:14:58 That also include the, I think the $25,000 a month fee, which again is an outrageous fee for any type of PR, right? So it exceeds the normal amount that anyone would hire for a normal publicist. And I think a lot of people are just forgetting that. Another thing people seem to be overlooking is the lawsuit from Stephanie Jones against Justin Baldoni. Stephanie Jones being Justin Baldoni's former publicist. And in that complaint included messages of Justin's new PR team, his crisis PR team, between Melissa Nathan and Jennifer Abel.

Starting point is 00:15:34 Those two women talking to each other, acknowledging Justin's behavior and acknowledging his creepy behavior. And in their words, it's just all so much. Like those emails to me are like very concrete. I don't know how they're taken out of context, is what I'm saying. I read Justin's lawsuit over the weekend and what is shocking to me is how many things in that lawsuit that they admit to.

Starting point is 00:16:00 They're not even denying many of the claims. It's basically Justin's lawyer basically wrote this long story that he's like, in that lawsuit that they admit to. They're not even denying many of the claims. It's basically Justin's lawyer basically wrote this long story that, to summarize, is basically saying, yeah, we did this and we did that, but basically Blake is hysterical and crazy and high maintenance and they're not even denying it. It's like Justin's saying, you know, Ryan Reynolds called me a sexual predator.

Starting point is 00:16:27 Like what the heck? And it's like, well, why is he calling you a sexual predator? Like maybe we should focus on that instead of like feeling bad that he said that about you. It's like the whole complaint is Justin's lawyer painting Justin as a victim to Blake's alleged behavior. Like for example, he admits to reaching out

Starting point is 00:16:48 to Blake's trainer to ask about her weight. Now he claims that had something to do with his back problems, there's a debate whether there was a scene that did or didn't exist, and I'm like, who gives a shit about, to me, I don't care about whether he had back problems or not, or whether this scene existed. Like if you actually think

Starting point is 00:17:06 that it's appropriate for your coworker to reach out to your personal trainer and ask about your weight, then I can't help you. And if you want to convince yourself that that's normal behavior. And then the birthing video, they admit to that. Again, they admit to all these random behaviors and they're just trying to spin it. I mean, it's gaslighting. For all the people over the years who wrongly use the word gaslighting just because when two people are in a fight and you disagree with them, this is literal gaslighting.

Starting point is 00:17:33 Again, Justin's whole persona. We actually, bring up the TED Talk. I've talked about this TED Talk multiple times over the past couple episodes. I think some of you need to hear some of these outtakes from Justin's Ted Talk. I've been pretending to be a man that I'm not my entire life.

Starting point is 00:17:50 See that I believe. I've been pretending to be strong when I felt weak, confident when I felt insecure, and tough when really I was hurting. I think for the most part, I've just been kind of putting on a show. Also believe that? Cause I don't just want to be a good man.

Starting point is 00:18:06 I want to be a good human. And I believe the only way that can happen is if men learn to not only embrace the qualities that we were told are feminine and ourselves, but to be willing to stand up, to champion and learn from the women who embody them. This is a guy who talks about standing up and championing the women around them.

Starting point is 00:18:26 The same guy who had the opportunity to hire the director of this movie, again, keep in mind Justin is the co-founder of Wayfarer that bought the rights to this movie. And so as the production company that ran this movie, they hired the director. And then when Justin had the opportunity to hire the director, he hired himself.

Starting point is 00:18:42 And then he's given interviews since then, talking about some of the more sensitive scenes in this movie that speak to the domestic violence. And in those interviews, he talks about he relied on the women of this movie to make sure that they were getting the proper feedback. Well, again, this is not a guy who's championing women, this is a guy who's using women.

Starting point is 00:18:59 Instead of just hiring a woman and giving her the director credit that she could deserve or the paycheck that she could deserve and bring to life the many talented women in Hollywood who aren't getting opportunities, he could have done that and he chose not to. But again, so if this person was real, this person who's giving this TED Talk meant what they said, that person would have hired a woman to direct this movie. Now I've learned over time that if I want to practice vulnerability, then I need to build myself a system of accountability.

Starting point is 00:19:25 So I've been really blessed as an actor. I've built a really wonderful fan base, really, really sweet and engaged. And so I decided to use my social platform as kind of this Trojan horse wherein I could create a daily practice of authenticity and vulnerability. It's interesting that he uses the word Trojan horse, because a Trojan horse is like- You're snake out. Yeah, it's a fake. It's a fake.

Starting point is 00:19:49 You're implying that it's disingenuous and it's a way to kind of insert yourself into a community where people should otherwise think that you're the enemy. Which I thought was an interesting choice of words. Maybe a Freudian slip, I don't know. This next part is wild. Are you brave enough to be vulnerable, to reach out to another man when you need help, to dive headfirst into your shame?

Starting point is 00:20:14 Are you strong enough to be sensitive, to cry whether you are hurting or you're happy, even if it makes you look weak. Are you confident enough to listen to the women in your life, to hear their ideas and their solutions, to hold their anguish and actually believe them, even if what they're saying is against you? And will you be man enough to stand up to other men when you hear locker room talk, when you hear stories of sexual harassment, when you hear your boys talking about grabbing ass or getting her drunk, will you actually stand up and do something

Starting point is 00:20:53 so that one day we don't have to live in a world where a woman has to risk everything and come forward to say the words, me too? JG I mean, like, the self-own and the way this guy, man, is telling it himself, like again people, if you're listening to this, ask yourself, like if this man really bought into this, would he be handling this the way he is,

Starting point is 00:21:14 the way he is, again, the evidence about his retaliation is pretty laid out pretty clearly. And what's crazy about Justin's lawsuit, it's again, it's all it's just a tons of text messages of just trying to paint Blake in a bad light. It's just like debating whether like, you know, there's messages about, you know, bringing Taylor Swift in, like talking about, you know, like as if he were bullied into using parts of, you know, their song, whatever. Like Blake always had a producer credit in this movie. It's incredibly common for people with a producer credit

Starting point is 00:21:45 or like big name actors to have input, to like share their ideas. And Justin's whole narrative is centered around that Blake shouldn't have been sharing ideas or she was too high maintenance. He also said in a text that we have read in one of these complaints where she tried to, he was like, always give, always feel free

Starting point is 00:22:03 to let me know on stuff. And she was like, I just wasn't sure if that's what you wanted me to do. He's like, no, you are always welcome to share your ideas. In text. Yeah, so like which one is it? Like, is she allowed to share ideas or not share ideas? Again, one thing that people aren't talking about

Starting point is 00:22:18 that I'm actually shocked about, again, Justin Wayfair bought the rights to this movie. That's my understanding that they also financed a lot of this movie. I'm not familiar with the details of the contract, like point by point, but I am pretty sure because they financed it, Justin and Wayfair, given the success of the movie, made a ton of money

Starting point is 00:22:41 from the success of this movie. They got a lot of back end profits. So assuming that's true, again, Justin's whole narrative is that Blake and Ryan hijacked this movie. And then my question is to what end? Like what was their motive? You know what I'm saying? So you're telling me that they decided to make up a story

Starting point is 00:23:01 about Justin's behavior, get her entire cast to buy into this alleged lie, her entire team, her personal trainer, all had to join in on this conspiracy theory so that Blake could have input and then regardless of what her input that she had, Justin would still maintain his director credit, Justin and Wayfair would still get all the profits. Like Blake didn't make any more money from the success of this movie.

Starting point is 00:23:29 I'm assuming she got her paycheck. So like, so you mean to tell me that Blake and Ryan came up with this master plan and regardless of what version they used, whether it was Blake or Justin's, like if it was gonna be successful, Justin and Wayfair were gonna benefit. So instead of leaving that story,

Starting point is 00:23:45 I think people need to acknowledge that Blake decided to fight this fight. It would have gone away. I'm assuming that if it weren't for the retaliation, that Blake would have just, again, those list of things that they wanted to fight just to get back into filming to feel safe and comfortable probably would have let it go.

Starting point is 00:24:04 But it was the whole retaliation part of Justin investing a ton of money to try to destroy her credibility and brand by hiring these people who are known to take down people online was why she is in fact fighting back. And she had the most to lose and nothing to gain other than trying to get back like her credibility from a guy who spent money trying to destroy it and I mean shit Natalie and I have been on flights you know past couple weeks now with all this drama going on everyone's watching this movie it's gotten more popular and it's going to only make more money and that means Justin and Waif they're only going to make more money from it and they must must have known that. So you're telling me their big master plan was to just what,

Starting point is 00:24:49 have more input so that they can make Justin more money? I don't think so. I think they did that despite knowing that that would be a sad fallout to them fighting this fight and giving it more attention than it already had. It's like, again, you just gotta ask yourself these very basic questions. And instead of deciding that you don't like Blake Lively, because again, she reminds you of someone you went to high school with, you just read the complaints.

Starting point is 00:25:16 And Justin, again, has a ton of text messages. And you could read Justin's complaint and you could decide that Blake Lively is someone that you don't fuck with or someone that you don't fuck with or someone that you don't like it does not answer the questions about Justin's behavior and specifically the retaliation which is still going on It's so obvious about the bots like it's still obvious that the people he was paying back in

Starting point is 00:25:39 August sure seem like he's still paying them and they're still doing definitely hasn't fired him. That's for sure Yeah, why fire him now? just sure seemed like he's still paying them and they're still doing the exact same thing. He definitely hasn't fired them, that's for sure. Why fire them now? You still need them. Because so much of what they talked about was about not flying under the radar, not getting caught, being covert about how it comes across.

Starting point is 00:25:56 And honestly, I don't even think they use bots. I think they're far more sophisticated. That's why it costs $25,000 a month to keep these people on their payroll. What's also crazy is that he went to leave LA and... Pulled a Tom Sandoval? Called the paparazzi to make sure they shot him. I mean...

Starting point is 00:26:14 Play that. Do we have that? He reminds me of Frank Booth from the David Lynch movie, Blue Velvet. And the girls said, I'll get it. You ever seen Blue Velvet, the David Lynch movie? No. No, you wouldn't like it. But he reminds me of Frank Booth.

Starting point is 00:26:30 I mean, it's so obvious he called the paparazzi because it's this place in LAX after you walk up the gates and as soon as Justin comes up to Escalator, the TMZ reporter immediately goes to him. There's no like pause, there's no like, oh my God, it's Justin and Belladoni.. It was like they were doing a scene, you know. Wait, listen. How are you doing?

Starting point is 00:26:51 We're grateful to be with the family, man. Grateful? Alright. I know it's a tough time for you. How do you get through this? Oh man, we have amazing friends and family. I'll set you a screen if you need one. And faith. Faith? Yeah. Thank you so much if you need one. And faith. Thank you so much man, have a great day. What's also crazy about that is like

Starting point is 00:27:10 LAX is huge. It's massive. And the amount of celebrities that we've seen there, I've never once seen a paparazzi. We're still using TMZ? Also, the fact that he's talking to TMZ, the amount of celebrities who just like don't,

Starting point is 00:27:26 they're like, I'm not like, come on, I'm with my family. I'm dealing with this big thing. I'm just trying to get on an airplane. Like I'm not about to talk. And the fact that he's like, hey man, how are you? Yeah, man, I'm with my family. It was a smile, he doesn't look caught off guard. It was such a performance.

Starting point is 00:27:37 It's like. When you get, when TMZ approaches you, it's very intrusive and you're kind of like look around and you feel kind of uncomfortable. I mean, they come up with a huge camera and they're like, hey, hey, what's going on? Talk about this, talk about that. And it's like, oh my God, I just gotta get out of here.

Starting point is 00:27:51 But he is, he loves it. It's so obvious that he and his team called TMZ. And again, his lawsuit doesn't even seem to be, I'm not a lawyer for the courts, but it seems to be for us, the audience, and try to win people in the court of public opinion. I actually do have a comment on that because I did want to just read an opening statement

Starting point is 00:28:10 from his new lawsuit versus her lawsuit, where me, I read the 179 pages, and it was hard because it's like, I feel like I'm reading a novel. Your lawyer is an author because it's really hard to discern what's fact and what's not. So an opening statement on her lawsuit on January 4th, 2024, prior to resuming filming of it ends with

Starting point is 00:28:29 us following guild strikes and all hands meeting was convened to address the hostile work environment that has nearly derailed the production of the film. His first opening statement, the following is not a story plaintiffs ever wished to tell. Unfortunately, defendant Blake Lively has unequivocally left them with no choice, not only to set the record straight in response to Lively's accusations, but to also put the spotlight on the parts of Hollywood that they have dedicated their careers

Starting point is 00:28:53 to being the antithesis of. That task was always going to be an uphill battle. Jesus. They never imagined they would have to encounter it to this degree. And I was like, this is for Colleen Hoover readers. That is a creative writing piece. That is not, that is not jargon.

Starting point is 00:29:07 The figurative language in this lawsuit where I'm like, though very eloquent and, and, and. That's the AP lit test. Thank you. That's why I was like, show me the facts. Go back to the Ted talk. There's a part that Justin keeps telling on himself. I love how there's like two men in this.

Starting point is 00:29:24 But they made sure to get him in the shot. Serious stuff, serious stuff. I've had to take a real honest look at the ways that I've unconsciously been hurt, that I've unconsciously been hurting the women in my life. What a Freudian slip. And it's ugly. My wife told me that I had been acting in a certain way

Starting point is 00:29:41 that hurt her and not correcting it. Basically, sometimes when she would go to speak, at home or in public, I would just cut her off mid-sentence and finish her thought for her. It's awful. The worst part was that I was completely unaware when I was doing it. It was unconscious. Like, what else is he unconsciously doing? You know, like this is a man, you know,

Starting point is 00:30:07 like seemingly admitting to this behavior that he acts in ways towards women that he doesn't even realize he's doing it and it's unconscious. But now he's allegedly done the work that he's seemingly incapable of being this guy who has, in his own words, hurt women in his life. But we also know that he admitted to,

Starting point is 00:30:30 in a text that we read from Justin Baldoni, of having this plan to go to the class or go to the session where he could blame all of this on his ADD or ADHD or neurodivergency. It's a very calculated person. And back to the allegation that Ryan allegedly called Justin a sexual predator. If your partner was working with someone

Starting point is 00:30:55 who made their whole platform about making an environment safe for women and being an ally to women and understanding women's plight and started calling their trainer to ask about her weight, postpartum, by the way. And again, as someone who knows what it's like to be married to someone who just had a child, the vulnerability that all women feel about a lot of things,

Starting point is 00:31:16 especially their body postpartum, and then here's Justin acting this way and then trying to paint himself as the victim is wild behavior and the amount of people who are just trying so hard to not believe Blake because they decided. But he has back problems. Because they don't like her.

Starting point is 00:31:34 His back hurts and his chiropractor said he has to make sure in the way. If you have back problems that like make it at risk, then write out the scene. He's such a loser. Like take the scene out. Like what, like if you shouldn't be picking out people, then don't pick up anyone.

Starting point is 00:31:50 And regardless of how much Blake Lively weighs or doesn't weigh, like you don't have the right to go behind her back and ask about her weight. I also do think that there is something to be concerned about in the sense to where you could admit that you've made mistakes in the past, but you're claiming as if being a healed person means that you're incapable of making mistakes further.

Starting point is 00:32:09 Yeah, and that's the whole gaslight part about it. It's like, imagine what it would be like to work in this environment with this person who says, no, I'm the good guy, I'm the good guy, I'm safe, I understand, and then constantly does things like hire his friend. Regardless, I know there's debate whether this friend that Justin hired was an actor or not actor, Justin claims he was. I know Blake didn't. But once again, if you're a

Starting point is 00:32:29 man who understands the plight of women and wants to make them feel comfortable, wouldn't you hire a woman to play that doctor? Why is he hiring his male buddy? Again, there's this example after example how Justin is not the ally he claims to be, he's not the feminist he claims to be, even though he made his whole plan. And also, if you really are an ally, you don't have to yell it, you don't have to scream it, you don't have to talk about it all the time, you just do it.

Starting point is 00:32:56 You just do. You just do it when it comes up, when the opportunity presents itself, you support the people you love. I mean, it's the classic saying, actions speak louder than words, and clearly like his actions are not speaking louder. Well, and also, you can just do

Starting point is 00:33:09 without having to broadcast it. Like, if you are an ally, if you are a good person, if you are somebody that's dedicated to helping other people, you don't have to talk about it every single time. And again, the amount of people online talking about this alleged Deadpool scene and acting as if, as if Ryan Reynolds was inappropriate

Starting point is 00:33:27 for cracking some jokes, I mean, I don't know what it would be like to be in Blake and Ryan's position, right? What they tried to do is try to finish the job. They tried to, again, it wasn't like, oh, Justin started making all these people feel uncomfortable and she threw a big fit about it. No, she tried to squash it, tried to get things back on track so everyone can go back to work and just hope that

Starting point is 00:33:50 they wouldn't retaliate. That was their ultimate goal. And then so they tried to, I guess, I don't know, deal with it. I mean, for all the people who are claiming that Ryan allegedly was mocking Justin Baldoni, if that's true, again, how does that make Blake's accusations less credible? I would do that more if I were in Ryan's position. I would absolutely mock the guy. I would want to fight back any way I could. They're probably limited in ways they can fight back. I would imagine they'd probably been talking to the lawyers and things like that.

Starting point is 00:34:26 You know, but the amount of focus the internet is giving this as opposed to, again, Stephanie Jones' complaint and all the shocking text messages that are in that, and the shocking text messages that like very clearly lay out that Justin hired this team and very much had the intention of trying to make Blake Lively look bad online. It's just like crazy. I saw this TikToker, Sauchi, who said,

Starting point is 00:34:52 it feels like he's acting. It's a dangerous game that a lot of men will go into where they're kind of telling on themselves for overdoing it. Yeah. In regards to him. I don't know for all the team Justin people out there. I don't know, you're kinda telling on yourself. It's not that hard. And again, go look at his engagement video. This is a man who spent 30 minutes acting and performing skits that had nothing to do with his relationship and made the woman

Starting point is 00:35:15 that he was about to propose to sit there and just watch him act. It was a Justin Baldoni performance about Justin Baldoni, featuring Justin Baldoni, starring Justin Baldoni, directed by Justin Baldoni. And like, honestly, I don't even know his wife's name. For a man who wants to elevate women and hold up women and showcase women,

Starting point is 00:35:37 boy, his wife sure lives in the shadows. Also that photo of them supposedly in the basement during the like, it ends with us, they sure looked fucking happy to be in the basement. They were like, woo! And they could've left. So happy, they basement during the like, it ends with us, they sure looked fucking happy to be in the basement. They were like, woo! And they could have left. So happy, they could have, like,

Starting point is 00:35:49 if you're like shunned and sent to the basement, wouldn't you be like, hmm. But again, if maybe you were shunned because you made Blake and her entire team feel really uncomfortable. Her entire team, like Jenny Slate and Landon Skynar, who all, and her hairdresser. Colleen Hoover herself.

Starting point is 00:36:06 Her assistant, Colleen Hoover, all come and like back up Blake's story, but people want to still like find reasons not to believe her. It is shocking to me. And also Brandon, I didn't realize he was the same actor in 1923, he's an absolute badass in that. He's in a lot of stuff. Yeah, he's really great, I didn't realize that was him.

Starting point is 00:36:21 Also like, I know a lot of people have been in my stuff being like, I hope you give the same amount of attention to Justin's lawsuit. And it's like, we read it, and then we're like, this is bullshit, and we give our opinion on this show and our opinion is we're Team Blake. But yeah, it's a lot of text messages between Justin and Blake,

Starting point is 00:36:40 and it's just painting Justin as a victim. It's text messages between Justin and his team, being annoyed with Blake, being frustrated with Blake. And again, they're trying to paint Blake as the high maintenance, overbearing, demanding mean girl that they're claiming her to be. A lot of the lawsuit is centered around this like Blake making the wardrobe come to her.

Starting point is 00:37:01 Again, this is someone who just gave birth to her fourth child. Like God forbid that she wanted the wardrobe come to her. Again, this is someone who just gave birth to her fourth child. Like, God forbid that she wanted the wardrobe to come to her to make her life a little bit easier so that maybe she could spend more time with her kids. And again, I would think that the guy giving that TED Talk would be more than happy to accommodate that request as opposed to painting her in the light

Starting point is 00:37:19 that he's so badly trying to paint her. Oh, it's like, you can, Blake could be everything people say about her, and that still does not mean that she should be harassed. Like you can be, you can- Don't like Blake. Yeah, you can hate Blake and think she's a shitty person and think she sucks and think she's like

Starting point is 00:37:41 all of these things and whatever, and that still does not mean that It doesn't negate that. Yeah, it does not negate like you can be a shitty person and still like not deserve to have things happen to you. Yeah, and the amount of people out there deciding that Blakewood is a mean girl. Yeah, she's not a perfect victim. Or she's not, you know, she's not a girl's girl that they decided that well, they're almost like well, she kind of deserved it. nobody deserves it it's fucking crazy

Starting point is 00:38:07 misogyny it's misogyny yeah it's just stupid anyways I don't know as always as I said since August ask yourself smart questions the right questions and like just take Blake out of it take them take the person out of it and just read the claims and I don't know how you can take some of that stuff out of context. Watch Justin's videos and ask yourself, is this guy sincere? Is he real?

Starting point is 00:38:30 Or is he just telling it himself? Or is it just an act to cover up a guy who just obviously has been problematic? How did TMZ know that he was taking that 530 Delta flight to wherever the fuck he's going? Also that looks like, I could be wrong, but judging by how LAX looks, that looks like post security. No, it's right up the escalators.

Starting point is 00:38:51 It's right before you go into TSA. He was flying Delta. Oh. Yeah, he was flying Delta. Yeah, we know. Okay. But it's like how did that TMZ guy know that? Why wouldn't he think he's flying American?

Starting point is 00:39:02 Watch the video. Again, there's no pause, there's no reaction. The guy, the camera was ready. Because again, when TMZ finds you, they like, the guy's just like standing there. These TMZ people just hang around these areas and when they find you, then they'll roll the camera. This camera was rolling

Starting point is 00:39:16 before Justin came up the escalator. Does this guy have, is he a psychic? All right, well it's a new year and it's time to get that closet freshened up, and you can do that with the great people at Quince. Quince, we've talked about them over and over and over because we love everything they do. They have some great items.

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Starting point is 00:42:26 No. The confessions on TikTok. Yes. All of these creators started outing themselves like within 24 hours of the app closing down. Yeah. So there was this trending sound that they were using and some like you've got fitness

Starting point is 00:42:41 creators saying that they never did the workouts that they posted. You've got food creators. fitness creators saying that they never did the workouts that they posted. You've got food creators, food creators being like, like there's one guy that like bakes things in his car or something, cause he lives in Arizona. And it's like, he's like, not all of the baking,

Starting point is 00:42:58 like the success of the baking videos turned out. So it's like all of these people are starting to come forward outing themselves thinking that the app is gonna be completely gone, forgetting the fact. Meredith Duxbury, is that her last name? Duxbury? Who like went viral for doing so much makeup and she was like rapping and it was so cool.

Starting point is 00:43:12 She was like, I wiped off half of those layers. Like everything until I'm like, I thought about trying it. I didn't do it because it was like, what a waste of makeup. But like things that people actually went home after watching these people's videos and did come to find out, all fake, all for actually went home after watching these people's videos and did come to find out all fake, all for content creation.

Starting point is 00:43:28 Why were they admitting it? Because they're like, it's going away. Let me just like give my last confession of like, that's awesome. But there's other platforms out there. Well, that's the problem. And that's the like kind of the best part of it all is it kind of like outed a lot of content creators

Starting point is 00:43:41 for being fake, but it's like, they forgot the fact that it's like, if TikTok is gone, you're gonna have to go to a different platform and now nobody trusts you. I mean, after talking to Emily Baker, Darwinism. I'm a little sad. I mean, again, I don't use it as a consumer.

Starting point is 00:43:56 We use it, obviously. We post our videos on it. Thankfully, I have a team who posts that for me, but like, I don't remember the last time I was scrolling because I just wanna protect my mental health. I mean, it is also very sad because I do know it was one of the most like women dominated industries. I know a lot of women who-

Starting point is 00:44:13 Oh, TikTok? Oh yeah. I mean, providing for their family, like the amount of money that these women were able to make off of this app. I mean- MomTalk. Yeah, MomTalk. Oh my God, MomTalk.

Starting point is 00:44:24 Will MomTalk survive? No. It did. I guess it did. Well, it- Mom Talk. Yeah, Mom Talk. Oh my God, Mom Talk. Will Mom Talk survive? No. It did. I guess it did. Well, it's back now. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think it's very sad that like all of these people who were making money and providing for their families

Starting point is 00:44:35 lost that in seconds. Obviously now it is back. So it was a little like, but I just wish that people would put this amount of energy into like child trafficking. So like, come on. High speed railway systems. Like world hunger. It's like we could do something if we all just cared

Starting point is 00:44:53 about this equally as much as we cared about TikTok. I would like a high speed rail system. Right? Something. Right? But anyway, so it's back. It's back and who's back on it, Spencer Pratt. It continues to promote his wife, Heidi Montauk,

Starting point is 00:45:08 who is now a pop superstar. And following in their footsteps, Leighton Meester's fans are trying to get her song Somebody to Love, and they're buying her song. The big question is, is Adam Brody gonna step up in the way that Spencer Pratt has? Because I don't think this has the longevity that it's had with Heidi, if not for Spencer. way that Spencer Pratt has because I don't think this has the longevity that

Starting point is 00:45:25 it's had with Heidi if not for Spencer. He's been his wife's best PR manager agent you know fan and it's absolutely worked in the best possible way so I would love to see Adam Brody step up for his wife. I think this is more of like a fans thing unless of Leighton and Adam want her to be the number one super pop star. Okay so she doesn't want to be? I haven't talked to her. Okay. Yeah, so I don't know, but I just think this is more of like fan, you know, clearly this was Heidi and Spencer, it was led by Spencer, it was Spencer, you know, and I think this is more so fans being like, well hey, Leighton Meester also has a couple

Starting point is 00:45:58 songs out, we should also try to get her up there as well. Spencer and Heidi keep saying they're coming on, so hopefully they're coming on on Wednesday. We'll see. She's very busy being a new pop superstar. So we will hopefully have them on Wednesday. An update on Leighton. I guess her song is in the pop charts again. And big supporter, Flavor Flav posted to hype up his.

Starting point is 00:46:21 Was also a supporter of Heidi's song. So maybe Flavor Flav is really the musical curator. He also saved Red Lobster. You wanna talk about an ally? Talk about selfless. Flavor Flav, right? He really is like taking care of the common man. Yeah. Yeah. I'm also so hip to what's going on on the internet.

Starting point is 00:46:38 He is. Yeah. Oh my God. When he met Paul Simon, that was a very beautiful day for me. It was really cute, anyway. I'm not familiar with that day. Anyways. A recent study reveals that people who walk faster may be less happy in life.

Starting point is 00:46:52 Yeah. I walk real fast. I walk so slow. This is old news. I'm so happy. Nick calls me pokey all the time. When I was little, my family used to call me Sid the sloth because I would-

Starting point is 00:47:02 You look pokey. What? I don't even know what that's referring to. You look pokey. What? I don't even know what that's referring to. Saying you look slow, like you walk slow. You just look like you're not in a rush. I'm not. Never in my life have I been in a rush. Pocky, is that a Midwest thing?

Starting point is 00:47:14 Yeah, a hundred percent, because I've never heard that. Never heard that in my entire life. I think it's in the South too. The hokey pokey? Pocky. You're being pokey? No, I'm pokey.

Starting point is 00:47:21 Yeah, that's in the South too. Yeah, just like slow. Just slow. Yeah. Like if we're in the airport in our thing, just like slow. Just slow. Yeah. Like if we're in the airport and our thing, like we're gonna like, they're gonna shut the doors on us. Nick is there and I'm coming. Just go, make him wait for me. And what pisses me off even more

Starting point is 00:47:33 is like the constant look back to see just like how far. I'm like, don't look at me. I'm coming. Wait, Nick, do you ever do like the backwards tour guide walk? Cause you're walking so fast that you have to like talk to like someone, but also walk your normal speed He did that to me while we were roller skating. Oh, I was trying to help you roll I know and it was not I was just like, oh you're going backwards and I'm literally

Starting point is 00:47:56 Grasping the wall for my life Sorry, I was man. I was mansplaining roller skating. Yeah On one foot. On one foot, I was just like. I was mansplaining roller skating. Yeah. Y'all know that Nick has not had sugar coffee or weed at all in two weeks. I had one coffee.

Starting point is 00:48:12 Oh, yeah. I had one coffee, but no sugar. I'm not even, Natalie ordered an honor of Palmer, my favorite drink ever, and I just watched her drink it. You ordered an unsweetened tea though. Yeah, emphasis on unsweetened. Accountability, it's good to have. No, but I am so proud of him

Starting point is 00:48:27 because for someone who like dabbled in extracurricular activities for so long and then to just like cut cold turkey and honestly hasn't like, he hasn't been like, oh, I wish I could, like, I haven't heard a peep out of him. It's like he hasn't even thought about it. I did see him yesterday open up what used to be a drawer of extracurricular activities.

Starting point is 00:48:44 It just kind of was like slugging. No, you missed the part where I saw some residue on the bottom of the tray on two trays and I collected the residue to see if it could work. And then I was like, no, and I threw it away. It wasn't a round clip. I threw it away. You must have done that in your room.

Starting point is 00:49:02 I could have used it. And it was mostly extracurricular activities, and then maybe like, you know. A paperclip? Paperclip, some dust, you know, pencil fibers, who knows? It was a smorgasbord of a junk drawer. It would make you feel something. It would, yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:19 I opted to throw it away, and I'm, you know. Are all of these like fast in choices so that you can post thirst traps like Dylan Efron? The body's coming back. I haven't really been able to work out much lately because like air quality, not good and I haven't been able to do that. But yeah, I look in the mirror and I see me, you know.

Starting point is 00:49:44 I see you. Yeah, no, me. You know? I see you. Yeah, no, I'm, I don't know. I don't, eventually I might throw, I might sneak in a thirst trap when, if I really get the body back and just be like, oh my God, like oops, dad bod. But could y'all, I mean, the, like, Nick's page is all podcast stuff,

Starting point is 00:50:00 so then to just have like, Spice it up. Just a thirst trap in there. Yeah. I wonder if Matt James would comment. Yeah, would he give me two balloons? Yeah. Ella Mayo.

Starting point is 00:50:10 Ella Mao. Hey mama. Way to do it with all those pushups. Congratulations to Peaches. Father God just told me you look hot as fuck. I was in Target this week and Nick, and I saw sour candies and I thought of you and I was like, should I?

Starting point is 00:50:22 I was like, I have to pass with it. The ones you bought me? A different kind, but I was like, it said sour and I was like, should I? I was like, I have to pass with it. The ones you bought me? A different kind, but I was like, it said sour and I was like, he would like that. If you find those again, then you should buy them. You'll break the fast for that? Well, I mean, eventually, I don't know. Yeah, eventually I'll try, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:50:35 I really- There is no trying, honey. You eat the whole thing. Yes, true. We have just, you know, later in this episode, the great Wells Adams joins us to talk about his very mini short stint on traitors. And he gets- But he is in Times Square, so like-

Starting point is 00:50:49 He is in Times Square. Next to Alan Cummings. Pretty cool flex. Stand of the dog. And Michael Imperioli, you know him from Sopranos, you know him from season two, White Lotus. He is with us and he's promoting the restoration of the iconic film, Girlstown. So, excited to talk with him.

Starting point is 00:51:06 I'm excited to ask him about some White Lotus stuff. We got season three coming up. I'm curious about his time on White Lotus, so that should be fun. Also, tomorrow we have a very special Going Deeper for you all, so get ready for that. Just a little reminder before we get into Southern Charm, Vile Falls Plus is out there available, and many of you are missing out, let me tell you.

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Starting point is 00:52:06 No, what happened? Well, after that conversation he had with Molly, I would hope that his girlfriend would be like, um. Yeah, after that scene with Molly, because I literally said to Molly, they make sense. Yeah, they do. There's something there. Why are Shep and Sienna rumored to be broken up?

Starting point is 00:52:22 Well, it's not rumored because he confirmed it. It's facts. Well, he said it. So basically he was saying how there was this incident where she didn't buy a plane ticket for a trip they were taking. So she was waiting for him to buy it. So then he was like, okay, I'll buy it.

Starting point is 00:52:35 And then basically, this is what he said, she said. Where I come from, the man takes care of everything. That's a bad thing to think and to practice, frankly. So anyhow, I was like, maybe we should take a step back. And she was like, yeah, okay. I couldn't agree more. So she said, I expect you to do everything, pay for everything.

Starting point is 00:52:51 And he was like, yeah, cause I don't know how I feel about that. And she was like, well, then maybe we should break up. Yeah. I mean, when Natalie and I were dating and she was flying to LA to see me, I paid for the flights, but I offered. And I was like, to me-

Starting point is 00:53:04 He invited me out. So like, if you're inviting me somewhere, you better fucking pay. But like, at a for the flights, but I offered. And I was like, to me. He invited me out. So like if you're inviting me somewhere, you better fucking pay. But like at a time where like, yeah, I wanted her to come to me. I felt like I was in a position to do that financially. But what Natalie never said to me is, I expect you to do this.

Starting point is 00:53:17 You have to do this. A man pays for everything. No, but it is like, hey, I want you to come to Australia with me. And it's like, okay. You want me to buy that ticket to Australia? Like, I want you to come to Australia with me and it's like, okay. You want me to buy that ticket to Australia? Like, you want me to come with you and you want me to also pay how many dollars for a flight?

Starting point is 00:53:33 Pick one. I'm just saying, like if you would have ever early in our dating situation, just Point Blake made a statement that like, it's your job to pay for me, Point Blank, period. Yes, I do not agree with that. I would have been like, yuck, ew, ick. Yeah, I don't agree with that mindset. I know that is a lot of people

Starting point is 00:53:52 in the South, especially his mindset. That's a very like old way of thinking of like, man takes care of the family. And like, for sure. I love taking care of my family, but like there's this, you remove the, I guess, it's like you remove the love language from it.

Starting point is 00:54:06 You remove- But also they're not a family yet. Like they've been dating for just months. For what? Yeah, like- But like, if you are an active service person and you like doing things for the person you love, as soon as that person says, this is an expectation and this is your job to do it, it removes that ability to feel like you're doing something for that person

Starting point is 00:54:25 you love, that I wanna go out of my way and take care of you, I wanna go out of my way and do something nice. It doesn't feel nice when it feels like your job. Required. And it's required. And so I would absolutely be like, you know what, we're just not meant to be.

Starting point is 00:54:39 Wanted to clarify, so they took a break because of it, so they might be back together. Yeah. It was not gonna last. Probably Yeah. It was not gonna last. Probably not. It was never gonna last, but you know. I mean, again, in this episode of Southern Charm, he was like all up on Somali, calling her,

Starting point is 00:54:53 I mean honking at her from the side. And he's like, you look good. I'm gonna pull over and not. He was just coming to talk to you. And also like, you need to give yourself so much more credit. I mean, look at you. Wow, it's just your, and then he's like, yeah, so me and Sienna, to give yourself so much more credit. I mean, look at you. Wow, it's just, you're...

Starting point is 00:55:06 And then he's like, yeah, so me and Sienna, we're actually doing really good. It's like, okay. And he's like, I'm gonna listen to classical music for you. Yeah, it's giving crush. He's coming to her concert. Starting to charm.

Starting point is 00:55:17 Was that a fake drowning incident? What's going on? I don't know. Vanita's not the type to fake, but that scene looked so fake. I was so confused. I thought I missed something. We need a little spice up this party. And she was like, I'll jump in, hold my drink.

Starting point is 00:55:30 And then Craig came to quote unquote, save the day. It was hot. It did look wonderful. It did look wonderful. Him like lifting her out of the pool. I'm still diving into the pool and then being like, I got this. Or all the guys who just like stood there and watched. Actually, did you see the cameraman? It looked like the cameraman close to the pool, tried to put down the camera and then being like, I got this tiny, gorgeous phone. Or all the guys who just stood there and watched. Actually, did you see the cameraman? It looked like the cameraman close to the pool

Starting point is 00:55:47 tried to put down the camera and then saw Craig. And then also realized he's got packs and all of these things. But yeah, Craig had his phone in his pocket too. I don't know if y'all noticed that when he was pulling out and was like, oh my God, what a gentleman. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:59 Then all the other guys really looked bad who were just standing there. Whitney really made me laugh in this episode though. Just him, his personality of just not wanting to be there and then just being snarky the whole time did make me giggle and the fact that I was kind of bored the whole episode. He is the executive producer. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:14 He's bored of his own show. Yeah. He was like, well, I'm so happy I'm here tonight. Who's the other girl that Taylor is fighting with? Sally. Are we team Sally or team Taylor? For sure, Taylor. I feel like, you know, but even back to last season with Olivia,

Starting point is 00:56:28 I just, we've met Taylor, we've had her on. I just, she doesn't seem to be this lying, manipulative, backstabbing, not a girl's girl that it seems like so many of her castmates are trying to paint her in. Maybe she just has us fooled, but like, I don't know. that it seems like so many of her castmates are trying to paint her in. Maybe she just has us fooled, but like, I don't know. I just feel like maybe they don't like her

Starting point is 00:56:52 because she's, you know, they see her as competition. Well, also she didn't say who in the group said not to trust her. We never saw that on camera. I fucking hate that. If you're gonna say people, tell me who it is. Name them. Name them.

Starting point is 00:57:06 Not just random accusation. Oh, you know everyone says this about you. I fuck you, fuck off. Just so you know, there's a group of people that talk about you, we all feel the same way, but I can't out them because I'm loyal. No. No, that's so, immediately you're wrong.

Starting point is 00:57:21 If you're the person who says that, you're so wrong. Also, Sally's boyfriend is giving Justin Baldoni. Gaston T. No, no, no. He is. Andrew, Sally's boyfriend. Oh, Sally's boyfriend. I thought I understood the situation.

Starting point is 00:57:36 And then as I kept watching it, I was like, I think I have all these people backwards. I'm so confused. They're all blonde. The immediate he's come on to set, we've never seen him before, and the throat grab that he did on Sally for a kiss. The Hawaiian shirt.

Starting point is 00:57:50 Connor wanted to turn off the TV. The throat grab. The throat grab, and he did it twice, and like aggressive for no reason. Listen, in the bedroom, do your thing. We all love a little tension, but like that, a greeting on camera is your introduction, grabbing her throat and pulling her in for a kiss.

Starting point is 00:58:09 I kind of like Sally. I don't because I don't respect the way that she's going about this whole Taylor Gaston thing. For her to sit there and be like, he's part of my past. I deserve a right to talk about him. Sure, yeah, you do. But you're also, you're in a relationship and now he's in a relationship

Starting point is 00:58:25 and you're only doing this to like have some sort of storyline to like have something to share with the other women to like talk about. That's the only reason you're doing this. Like if this like relationship was something that like you really felt, I don't know, it just seems like it's very performative to me and like you're in this new relationship.

Starting point is 00:58:43 So why are you like talking about him? And then to be like, he fucking called me and you're in this new relationship, so why are you talking about him and then to be like, he fucking called me and told me to keep his name out of my mouth. Well, yeah, I would too. Having the right to do something doesn't make you not a douchebag for doing it. I don't think I fully realized who Sally was because she is blonde hair show, brown hair interview.

Starting point is 00:59:04 It is very confusing. Really confusing for me, that's interview. And it's really confusing for me. That's all. I kinda like her as a brunette. If I have to watch one more scene of Austin crying over Craig, I'm gonna lose it. Yeah, and why is Madison, like, is this Austin's fake? I mean, Craig didn't even meet up with JT. They did a scene.

Starting point is 00:59:22 They did a scene over coffee. And it wasn't even like them getting along, it was them like hashing out their differences. It was them having a fake conversation because you've got JT in his interviews being like, oh, I'm holding back and I just, there's so much I wanna say. And he's just like, hey buddy, are we gonna be friends?

Starting point is 00:59:37 Are we, can we be cool? It's because he's a puss. Exactly, but I'm just like, there was no point of us even watching that. Craig was like, all right, guess we're cool, man. And JT's like, we're not fucking cool, but we are cool. I don't know, the whole thing just makes zero sense. I think Molly added context on our episode last week

Starting point is 00:59:52 where she said, everybody's acting like his accident was nothing when it was more than, like it was dangerous. So that gives context of like, I think clearly JT looks like he feels invalidated. Like people are looking at him like he's weird, saying he's doing stuff he's not doing when it's like. Well, again, I mean, maybe he had a very serious accident, but like he can still be doing weird things.

Starting point is 01:00:09 But Craig's saying there's an audio, or that he said something where we don't even have audio existing of it, is kind of like, now you're gaslighting him. Why would Craig make that up? Well, I think it's been proven to like, Craig embellishes and he likes to add on onto a story here and there. Like on Watch What Happens Live,

Starting point is 01:00:27 they're like, you're a bit of a liar. And he was like, me, what? And then they played like several instances where he'd lie and it's like. He's kind of messy like that. And they all said it, even then I will say JT is not my favorite person on reality television at all. But I'm like, I will give him,

Starting point is 01:00:41 I'm like, he's not the type of person, he's very clean cut in the way that he speaks that I'm like, it's giving like Southern gentlemen. I don't think he would use a term like that to call an older woman out of her name. I just really don't. The start of a new year is a perfect time to get organized, set goals and prioritize what matters most.

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Starting point is 01:05:53 Figure it out. I can't do any more Austin and Craig. Anyways, now it's time for our friend and the first elimination from Traders, Wills Adams. Yay! Glad you threw that in there. You were so pissed. You were so mad. I was so angry. for our friend and the first elimination from Traders, Wills Adams. Yay. I'm glad you threw that in for me. You were so pissed. You were so mad.

Starting point is 01:06:09 I was so angry. We were so angry too. We were angry for you. Yeah. It was so fucked the way it happened. It's like. Yeah, I did not see it coming. I bet you didn't.

Starting point is 01:06:17 I bet you didn't. I was like, what are you guys talking about right now? It made zero sense. And I bet at that round table, cause obviously that came out of nowhere. So were you just kind of like, what do I even say? How do I talking about right now? It made zero sense. And I bet at that round table, cause obviously that came out of nowhere. So were you just kind of like, what do I even say? How do I defend myself right now? I had a little bit of heads up.

Starting point is 01:06:31 Okay. Dylan came to me like 10 minutes before we went into the round table and was like, yo, I'm hearing your name. And I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, I don't understand it either. Like it doesn't make any sense. And he's like, you should go do some politicking

Starting point is 01:06:42 around the house. And I'm like, yeah, sure. Who's saying it? You know, like, what do the house. And I'm like, yeah, sure. Who's saying it? You know, like, what do I gotta do? And I like walk away from Dylan and then it's like producers like, stop talking. We're going into the round table. And I'm like, what?

Starting point is 01:06:55 I need one second. Which it makes sense. Like I would want all of my like politicking to happen at the round table. Like I get it from their standpoint, but I was like, what? And especially when I watched the show back, like I was watching, I guess last night,

Starting point is 01:07:09 like Nikki finds out that she's like, her name's being called. So she has time like, we'll walk around and be like, what are you guys talking about? I wasn't given that opportunity, which is a bummer. It's tough though, cause like when you get accused of something, everyone thinks they're good people readers

Starting point is 01:07:24 and things like that. But if someone was like, you're a traitor, like it's hard not to be like, uh, uh, uh, you know what I'm saying? Like to not find the words and stumble over your words and then have people think that maybe that means you're lying and things like that. Yeah, I mean, like, so what happened to me was

Starting point is 01:07:40 I'm stupid, that's why. Like I'm an idiot, like, you know, hindsight 2020, right? So- You're talking about the boat? Cause I do want to ask you about the boat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can, I mean, we can go through the whole thing, but my downfall was saying,

Starting point is 01:07:52 I thought what the traders did was stupid. Yeah. Which I stand by what I said. I definitely, I stand by you too, it was stupid. But that's not really the point. No, it's not. But as I watch it, I'm like, these are dumb moves. Like I will die on this hill.

Starting point is 01:08:05 I did die on the hill, actually. You did, yeah. You're a murderer. But yeah. You're usually Mr. Affable Wells. Oh, I know. Does the keeps his opinions to himself. Hey, guys, stop arguing.

Starting point is 01:08:17 Let's just crack open a beer and have a good time. I'm the guy who ruffles feathers early. Like, I was just like, what is he doing? Well, here's the thing. The thing that I said was not considered controversial by anyone except for two people. Yeah. First of all, I wasn't the only one who said that.

Starting point is 01:08:34 Everyone said what I said, because what happened was the night before everyone, I would say like 90% of the cast was like, Daryn's a traitor, right? And we're like, yeah, 100%. And so we were like, all right, so we're gonna banish her tomorrow, right? And that's how we went to bed thinking, right?

Starting point is 01:08:51 And then we wake up and she's gone, she'd been murdered and we're like, everyone was like, but we were gonna do that. Like, why would you kill someone that we were already gonna banish? Like get someone, get a threat out. So everyone said it. And then like where I went wrong was,

Starting point is 01:09:07 is I was sitting in the billiards room and Robin and Sam walk in and we're all talking about it. And everyone is also saying like, yeah, what are we gonna do now? Like that was so dumb. And so she's like, what do you guys think? And I say the thing that I say, and she got really defensive.

Starting point is 01:09:23 And like right then I was like, oh no. Like I thought what I was saying was universal. Like she would be like, oh yeah, I feel the same way. Yeah. But then, you know, like looking back, it makes sense. Like she's a housewife. I think she was kind of defending a housewife in some way. Looking back, I shouldn't have said what I said,

Starting point is 01:09:43 but I wasn't the only one saying it. That's what's really frustrating. You know? Reality TV edit. Yeah, I shouldn't have said what I said, but I wasn't the only one saying it. That's what's really frustrating. You know? Reality TV edit. Yeah, I know. Can we talk about the boat? Let's talk about the boat. What were you thinking on the boat?

Starting point is 01:09:53 Because again, maybe it was edited, but what we saw as you guys get in the boat, everyone's rowing, you and Sierra are like manning the ship. I didn't even know why that job required two people in the first place. And then as the boat ride continues, all the women get kicked off the boat. All the guys are like,

Starting point is 01:10:12 we need to be strong enough to row the boat. Meanwhile, you're still being like, row, row, row. And I'm like, Wells, row, row the boat. Like if I'm one of the people in the boat, I'm pissed at you for just yelling at me for two hours while not rowing the boat. Like if I'm one of the people in the boat, I'm pissed at you for just yelling at me for two hours while not rowing the boat. Yeah, that's because I guess you've never been on a dragon boat probably before. So someone has to explain it to me.

Starting point is 01:10:34 Someone has to steer like so I was I was like, I was in charge of the rudder. Is that a physically demanding job? Well, if no one's doing that, then there's no, the boat doesn't go in the direction you want it to. So that's why it's a two person job. Well, so this is, this is how it was explained to us. It was, we need someone to steer the boat

Starting point is 01:10:53 and then we need someone to like yell out row. Okay, that explains a two person job. And I knew, I knew I was in trouble at that exact moment because like my plan going into the show was, don't say anything. Basically with Dylan, actually Dylan's become very boisterous now. He was talking. But in the beginning he was just like,

Starting point is 01:11:11 I'm staying under the radar and I was like, I'm gonna do that too. And we were kind of like an alliance in the beginning. And the second we get down to the dock, they're like, all right, even productions, like this is what you have to do. You have, someone needs to be the one yelling out, someone needs to be steering. And then also I think it was like a seat thing.

Starting point is 01:11:27 Like there wasn't enough seats for like Sierra to go sit in row, I guess. Maybe that could have changed when she got out. But anyways, that's how it was explained. And immediately everyone was like, Wells, you're the loudest, you're the most opinionated, you're the leader, you get up there and you steer. And I was like, oh, damn it.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Like I'm five minutes into doing this show and I've already fucked up my plan of like going under the radar. They're like, you're allowed, you're like, who said? Yeah, I was like, oh no. So- Okay, that explains that. Yeah, so I, and also like they did cut this,

Starting point is 01:12:01 but there was a little bit of like toxic masculinity thing going on of like, the weak women need to get off the boat and the strong men need to stay in row. And there was a little bit of like, that's gross. And also like Nikki can like bench press me. She's much stronger than I am. So I was like, this is dumb. So there was a point where as much as I wanted a shield, I felt bad.

Starting point is 01:12:21 And I was like, Hey guys, if I'm not doing a good job of steering the boat, then I will get off. Like I feel bad for all the women that are like kind of getting thrown to the wolves. And everyone was like, shut up, we need you to steer. You're doing a great job. Just don't worry about it. We got it figured out down here.

Starting point is 01:12:36 And I'm like, okay. Oh, they're ready to the bus there. Okay. Okay. So I'm glad, thank you for offering that context. Yes. Did you watch Ayaan Saab at home? Yeah. About you leaving? Like were you, like, Did you watch Ayaan Saab at home without you leaving?

Starting point is 01:12:46 Like, were you, like, did you watch that with the rest of us or did you know that she was that upset? Well, I know we were really, like, she was my favorite. She might be my favorite person, no offense, Nick. She might be my favorite person I've ever met on a reality TV show. I've never had the illusion that I was your favorite person. Well, maybe the top 10.

Starting point is 01:13:04 10! I never had the illusion that I was your favorite person. Well, maybe the top 10, for sure. 10. But she was so, like, in a world full of just, like, vapid, just, you know, egocentric people. She was, like, the most lovely person I've ever met. In 2017, she DM'd me and told me I was full of myself. Oh, I saw the video. That's so funny.

Starting point is 01:13:21 And that makes me love her even more. That is the best. And then I saw that she and that makes me love her even more. That is the best. And then I saw that she liked something later or whatever. Yeah. I messaged her and I gave her a heads up that we talked about it because I didn't want to throw her under the bus. And then she finally unsent them.

Starting point is 01:13:37 I'm like, we've already done it. The damage is done. Nothing, you know. No, she was such this amazing light of beauty, inside and out too. She had no idea what, she was such like this amazing, like light of like beauty, like inside and out too. She had no idea what game she was playing. My favorite thing was, is that we were riding like to the castle or whatever, you know, you're in cars a lot when you're not filming, you know?

Starting point is 01:13:56 And so a producer is reading her the rules and so that she can sign like the rule, right? This needs to be done before we start filming. So if, if I'm Ian, you're me, and then you're the producer. Producer's reading and she's just looking at me being like, okay, so tell me about your wife. Look at that on your wife. Oh my God. Modern family, I love modern family.

Starting point is 01:14:17 Like, and so the producer's like, Ayan, you need to focus, you need to focus. And she's like, I can do two things at once. She cannot do two things at once. She, the whole time she was like, Wells, what is happening? What is happening? And I'm like explaining her the rules. And her whole thing was she was like, my son thinks I'm going to be the first one

Starting point is 01:14:34 killed. And so she was so pumped that she wasn't the first one killed, which was like so cute. But then she was the third one. I like, no, dude, why? What were the traders thinking? So again, I think that that was so I think that what Bob, I'm like, no, dude. Why did, why, what were the traders thinking? And again, I think that that was, so I think that what Bob, the drag queen, his whole thing was he wanted chaos, which I do think that that's like a fun and like a good strategy.

Starting point is 01:14:55 But chaos also doesn't breed accusing people of murdering people. Right. Like chaos also implies no strategy. Yeah, it's very true. In a way. With the chaos of Dorinda being killed, like it made no sense because we think we all thought we were gonna banish her the next day.

Starting point is 01:15:15 So then it became this like mad dash of like, who do we all kind of glob onto, which was unfortunately yours truly. But the iron one made no sense to me because you can't pin it on somebody. Like this is why I and would be killed, you know? And then also there are a lot of really, really strong players in the game and no offense to I am like, she's not like a strategical genius, you know? Like I would have taken out, you know, like, like a Wes before. Now I don't think actually he could have been up for murder,

Starting point is 01:15:47 but do you know what I'm saying? That's why it made no sense to me. And it also wasn't like leading people down a path to blame someone else that wasn't a traitor. Yeah, to your point, like traitors or faithful, whoever they were, there's some clearly people in the cast that like self-identify as like game players, strategic players,

Starting point is 01:16:06 and you would think that you would just take them out. First, just to be like, well, at least we got the game players out. Now all we have to deal with is housewives and bachelors. Boston Rob. Yeah, like if I'm a, yeah, if I'm a, as a faithful, like you're just like, cause at the end of the day,

Starting point is 01:16:20 you're all competing against each other in a way, right? So like, you know, just take out, I mean, I guess unless you think Rob's a faithful, I don't know, I think you should take him out because eventually Rob's gonna rob for Rob. You know, so like, I think you should just take out. Well, I think that's what they realized, obviously, with this last episode. I called that shit so hard.

Starting point is 01:16:40 Yeah, them being like, how does he 100% know? Yeah, I said, I said, I didn't think it was gonna happen literally the next episode, but I said, Foster Robb's going to backstab Bob the Drag Queen. And, yeah, I think that, like, I don't know, I know him, but I don't know what's in his mind. But I think that he was getting frustrated with, Bob was not only kind of like running the round table,

Starting point is 01:17:03 he was also running the turret. And I think that he thought getting frustrated with. Bob was not only kind of like running the round table, but he's also running the turret. And I think that he thought that the decisions that Bob the Dragon was making was bad. And I think that Caroline kind of agreed with him in that respect. And I think for Rob's game, he was like, I need to get rid of this guy because I want to have control over the turret.

Starting point is 01:17:22 And I think that like strategically, I'm a better game player than he is. And I would agree with that. I just think that he showed his hand a little too early because Dylan was already wanting to go down that route. And then he like really like globbed on. How do you think a boss and Rob gets out of the target he's put on himself?

Starting point is 01:17:39 I don't know how he gets out of it, but I don't know if enough people, like they're all sitting in the bar and they're, and Wes makes the genius point of like, how do you a hundred percent know, you know? And so then everyone's like, it takes everyone a while. And the person who figures it out, like answers the question is Tom Sandball, which I love.

Starting point is 01:17:55 And he's like, he's a traitor. And he's like, yeah. Broken clocks right twice a day. Well that's the thing, Tom accused everyone of being a traitor, which was wonderful. Then that was one of the things that frustrated me the most about the round table of which I was banished

Starting point is 01:18:10 was that Tom went on like a, you know, a 20 minute diatribe about Crichelle. And like, well, he know he's like, I could tell from the way that she took off her thing. Yeah, she said, and I remember being like, dude, shut up, man. They're gonna kill me. No one cares about Chris Schell.

Starting point is 01:18:28 No one thinks this is, I was like, dude, stop talking. Let me defend myself or defend me, I guess. But yeah, he was throwing a lot of spaghetti at the wall. Tom is gonna go decently far because he's not a threat to anyone. But that's what I thought about Ayan too. That's a good point. It doesn't make sense why she got voted out.

Starting point is 01:18:45 It's weird though, I do think maybe it's a criticism of Bachelor Nation, but the other franchises like The Housewives, Survivor, Big Brother, they protect their own and I feel like Bachelor Nation, we're all in it for ourselves. I don't think there's any, I don't know, were you and Gabby like connecting at all? Did she vote for you at the round?

Starting point is 01:19:04 No. She didn't, okay. No, I was friends with the girls and Gabby, like connecting at all? Did she vote for you at the round? No. She didn't, okay. No, I was friends with the girls. I was with the Bambies, cause I was- Oh, Gabby's in the group? Yeah, cause on the way back from the dragon boat race, we were all in the same car. The Bambies.

Starting point is 01:19:16 The Bambies, yeah. What a name to give yourself. I know. Shetskis. So I- The six pack bros. Yeah, they were like, cause I had said like, if you guys want me to get out, I will.

Starting point is 01:19:29 I don't want to, but like I'll get out just to make it fair that like, also like I'm not doing anything. And I remember Gabby being like, you're an ally. And I'm like, yes, yes I am. Do you think that comment of like, I'll get out but I don't want to is seen as like you trying to like no No, because I was very much like I do not want to do this, please

Starting point is 01:19:50 But and so what do you think ultimately? Caused you to have the target on your back other than like people saying oh, you're the most outspoken Blah blah blah. Oh, no, I doesn't make you a traitor. I have I think it's two things Well, I think it's a bunch of things. But I think that me saying to Robin and Sam, I thought it was a dumb move to kill Dorinda and then her getting defensive and then me feeling very weirded out by that.

Starting point is 01:20:16 I was like, because in my mind, I'm like, okay, you're getting really defensive of me saying it was a dumb move. Surely you're not a traitor and dumb enough to show that me saying a traitor's move is stupid would affect you like this. Did you say that at the round table? Yeah, I did.

Starting point is 01:20:33 That's a good argument. Can I ask you, how long is the round table session? And then also, what did you say to defend yourself that we didn't get to see on television? Okay, A, maybe an hour and a half. Really? Yeah, it's really long. Okay, was not expecting that.

Starting point is 01:20:49 Yeah. Yeah, they cut out a lot. Like I fought- It's like five minutes, not even. I know. I fought a lot of people. I fought Tony a good bit. My thing was, is that he had come and said something

Starting point is 01:21:00 to the effect of right after the touching of the shoulders, who does everyone think is a traitor? And I was like, well, I want to go backwards. I want to go and exit out people who I do not think are traitors and then hone it down and then figure it out from there. Because I was like, Ayan, definitely not a traitor. Tom Sandoval, worst casting decision in the world

Starting point is 01:21:20 to make the biggest villain in America a villain again. Yeah, of course. I was like, not a traitor. You know, like me, not a traitor. Dylan Efron, no. You know, like I was like doing that. And he was like, that's a real traitorous way of thinking. And I was like, Tony, you're a cop.

Starting point is 01:21:36 Isn't the number one thing to X out, like who has alibis in a murder case? Like, what are you talking about? Also, you should have probably said like, well, if you vote me off, like, you're gonna look really like not a good cop. Yeah. So, okay, so the first question was how long does it go?

Starting point is 01:21:52 And then- What did you say to defend yourself that we didn't get to see? Yeah, okay, so the truth of the matter is, is that the next mission that we had was the three guys in the bird cages and we were all running around trying to get coins to bring them down. I thought that I had was the three guys in the bird cages and we were all running around trying to get coins to bring them down. I thought that I had a target on my back from the traders because

Starting point is 01:22:10 I said that their move was stupid. And so I really wanted to get a shield. Then I had like a whole plan and we can go into the plan in a second. But everyone was getting down Boss and Rob and then people were getting down Derek and no one was getting down West and I was like I'm a huge fan of the challenge and I also like just know if you kind of like Attach your wagon to either West or CT or Johnny bananas in the challenge you kind of get you can kind of ride that to The end so I was like West you're my boy I'm getting you down and what they didn't really show is I would say like 90% of the coins that were got for Wes was from me.

Starting point is 01:22:46 And so it was Dylan and I who were just like doing wind sprints up and down this thing. People kind of like quit on it and were like not trying to get coins as much. Once we got two guys down. You're good at untying knots? Yeah, the knots one was annoying, but the one that was the hardest, you had to kind of sprint up a hill and then like throw, they didn't show all of them, but you had to throw rocks at these bags, then knock them down and then run back down. And so no one wanted to do that

Starting point is 01:23:10 because you had to run up this hill. So it ended up being Dylan and I were the only ones running up and down the hill. And anyways, so I get them down and I'm like, healed over, like, cannot catch my breath at the end of it. We had to like stop and wait for me to like catch my breath before we like continued filming. So one of my arguments was like,

Starting point is 01:23:28 I think I'm gonna be killed by a traitor. I worked so hard to get Wes down. Why would I be running like this if I didn't care? And then they didn't show this part, but Wes chimes in. He's like, it's true, Wells got me down. Like he was running really, really hard. I think if he was a trader, he probably wouldn't have been like going

Starting point is 01:23:49 that balls to the wall. So that was one of my arguments. I don't know. Do you feel like they just didn't have anyone else? Like, yeah. Yeah. For sure. Cause it was supposed to be Dorinda. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:59 Because what happened with Dorinda was, she was the first one off the boat, right? And so the implication is, is that if you get off the boat on the pontoon, you don't care about immunity because you're a traitor, right? Like you don't have to worry about sleeping tonight. I don't know if they thought about that. We were really early in the game, but she was the first one off. And then like the way that they did the show, which was brilliant, you know, they make them stay out there.

Starting point is 01:24:25 They make them cold. They make all of us go back, get in our nice, you know, clothes, feed us really well. Then they bring them, we all thought they were going to go home, you know, be done with the day of filming. And then they come in and so they're so angry, which I totally get. And I remember Dorinda was like,

Starting point is 01:24:42 you couldn't wait to eat the food. Yeah. We're like, I remember straight up, I was like, dude, just tell crafty to get more. What are we talking about here? Like they told us to eat, you know, we're just we're just doing what we're told. I remember yelling out to production, I was like, can we get her a hot plate? Like, what are we doing? It was like cold by that time. But it was, you know, good, good producing. But so then she goes in and she starts going crazy

Starting point is 01:25:07 like at at Iver because Iver was the one was like the weak women need to get off the boat. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The old the old Lord. And so we all were like, whoa, this is a lot. I remember being like, so is this what Housewives is? Because I've never gone on that show. She was just going nuts. And afterwards, we were like,

Starting point is 01:25:30 seemed like a little much right, like a little over the top. And everyone's like, Yeah, she was the first one out of the boat. She was like, nuts on us for like, you know, what are we gonna do? We got back here. They told us put the clothes on. They told us eat the food. And so everyone's like, Yeah, she's definitely true. So then by the time that the roundtable happened, I think no one had any concrete evidence. And what ended up happening was that Robin, because I said, I think

Starting point is 01:25:58 it was a dumb thing. And then she got defensive of it. And then I was like, like, I walked out of the room. She was like, that's you're acting weird. I think Bob grabbed onto that and was like, this would be a good opportunity to get wells out. And I don't know if this is true. It'll be fun to go do like the after show and like figure out what their thoughts were because the person that knocks me out is the it's the deciding vote is Carolyn who is a traitor.

Starting point is 01:26:25 So I wonder if they were like, if we have an opportunity to knock Wells out, let's do that over Robin who that's, my campaign was against her effectively. Well, that makes sense. I mean, like even like this episode, I thought like Bob wasted his own vote. It ended up not mattering, but early on,

Starting point is 01:26:41 Bob voted against, who was it? Bob the drag queen. Rob, he went back to Rob. Everyone was doing Sierra. It's like, yeah, like vote for Sierra, even if you don't think it's Sierra, because like she's your biggest competition. For sure.

Starting point is 01:26:52 And like he wasted his own vote on just being petty. Yeah, I made a mistake because they- Yeah, who did you vote for? I voted for Robin, but the mistake that I made was they said, you said that it was a dumb move, who got upset? And I was like for Robin, but I mean, the mistake that I made was they said, you said that it was a dumb move who got upset. And I was like, Robin, because she's the one who says it out loud, like at the roundtable.

Starting point is 01:27:11 And they're like, who else? And I was like, Sam, because that was the truth. I should never have said Sam, because the second I said Sam, Sam was like, well, I'm voting for Wells now. And so that was the I think the thing that's that's good. I think that's the part you realize, I'm always watching it. It's like, you know, it's just like, you have to be mindful of that because,

Starting point is 01:27:29 especially around the round table, people will like vote out of pettiness or just to get back at you. And you have to like kind of count votes because that seems to. It's also an easy way to argue it. Because when you make your vote, they don't always show it, but when you make your vote, they don't always show it,

Starting point is 01:27:45 but when you make your vote and you have to show it, you have to kind of say why. And so it's really, really, it's such a easy way out of being like, dude, you said my name, I don't like that. That's on you instead of like, I think it's Sierra because she was cussing in the coffin or whatever. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I've made a lot of bad decisions.

Starting point is 01:28:08 There's a lot of talk about Tom Sandoval detoxing. Yeah, I don't know about that. He was sweating a lot that one night. He was so sweaty wearing that great t-shirt. I think he just runs hot, dude. I think that like he just- I don't know, I mean- Isn't he like a little glitchy?

Starting point is 01:28:22 He's like twitching a little bit. He just doesn't stop. Like he's always talking. He's always- I glitchy. He's like, he just doesn't stop. Like he's always talking. He's always, I mean, you know that he definitely has a high motor. Yeah. He's like, it's kind of impressive. Oh, the other thing that I think. So I talked about this somewhere else, but what Robin says, what is something the effect of like after Alan went around and touched everyone, I noticed that you were different. And I was

Starting point is 01:28:49 like, I don't think I was different. But we had only ever been around each other on camera during that time. And then after that, then there becomes a lot of like the hurry up and wait of making a television show, which is like you're filming film and then you're not shut up. Right. And, you know, I am someone who like when I'm filming a television show, if like the cameras aren't on, I'm not doing anything. Like I'm hanging out. I'm trying to like keep my energy level at like a baseline. One, because I don't like waste like good jokes or like funny sound bites when nothing's happening.

Starting point is 01:29:28 And two, like they are really, really long days. And it's funny because like, you know, she's a housewife and that's one thing I noticed with the housewives. I was like, oh my God, you guys never stop. This is all, this is who you are, which is amazing. That's why those TV shows are so great. But I was like, I wouldn't have the bandwidth to be able to do this all day long.

Starting point is 01:29:46 And so my theory, I haven't talked to Robin, but my theory is that she saw I was much different when the cameras were on than when the cameras were off. And she was like, that's trader mentality or whatever. Will you campaign to try to go back either next season? No. You're done. No desire to go back either next season? No. You're done.

Starting point is 01:30:06 No desire to go back on the show. Really? Why? Well, I just, I'm not good at competition shows. I got eighth on The Bachelorette. I got 22nd on this one. The Bachelor's about love. That's true.

Starting point is 01:30:19 No, I don't know. I think that- You've gotten first on Bartender. Yeah. You won worst cooks. I did win- You've gotten first on Bartender. Yeah. You won worst cooks. I did win worst cooks, but also is that a win? That's a competition. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:29 Yeah. You're the best worst cook in America. Or I beat Johnny Bananas. How is the food there? Terrible. I mean- That's my big concern. Well, you should do the show.

Starting point is 01:30:39 Yeah, they've asked, but like, it's been tough with this show and- Yeah, I get it. It would be fun to try, but- Like, it'd be interesting to see how you do because you are super cerebral. I could see myself being first out. I could see myself, you know, cause that's the thing.

Starting point is 01:30:53 It's just, you know, it depends who else they cast. We've talked some shit about some people on reality TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great television then, right there. Listen, yeah. Everyone just like being like, you called me this. You said this about me. I would not be worried about my

Starting point is 01:31:06 very big television, but it really depends how, yeah, it could go either way. And I think, yeah, to your point, there's gamesmanship, but there's a lot of things outside of your control. Johnny Bananas was the first one out last season. I think he probably would have been an excellent player had he just, and I think that made sense when I was excellent player had he just, you know, and I think that made sense

Starting point is 01:31:26 when I was watching it because he comes from the challenge, he's been very successful, like a Dorinda, that didn't make sense. Johnny Bananas lets us get a strong player out immediately no matter what, that like, that made total sense. Did you talk to anyone before you went and filmed from last season? No, it's funny though, because I thought for sure

Starting point is 01:31:44 it was gonna be Johnny Bananas, who was the person that they like D robe in the first episode. And like, I love Johnny. I've known him now for years. And if it was him, I would have been like, I'll get you. You can come in the game. I'll kill somebody here. I love Johnny Bananas. But then when it was Rob, I was like, everyone was like, oh,

Starting point is 01:32:04 and I turned to Dylan, I'm like, who was like, oh, and I turned to Dylan, I'm like, oh, who is that? He's like, that's from Survivor. And I was like, oh yeah, I don't watch that show. But yeah, if it would have been Johnny, I would have gotten him in the game. Or would that have given you a shield or like immediate? Yeah, but then it puts a target on your back

Starting point is 01:32:17 because you kill somebody right then and there. Right. Which I think that if they had done it, it would have been moot because that person would have come back in that birdhouse the next day, you know? And then they would have been angry at whoever did it. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:31 I can see how it was all planned out great. Yeah. That's crazy. First out, I thought you would have been a good trader. Yeah, that was a- If I'm a producer, I'm picking you as a trader. Of course, then you would have been identified anyways. Yeah, then they would have been right about that.

Starting point is 01:32:47 But then I wouldn't have had like, Bob the Drag Queen and, you know, Carolyn, two traders vote for me. That's true. They would have like rallied with you. Yeah. That is interesting. Yeah, but maybe that's why you got voted out because like, you know, the nice guy and like- Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I had this whole plan. I had this, I was gonna set this trap all up like, you know, the nice guy and like, Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I had this whole plan. I had this I

Starting point is 01:33:06 was gonna set this trap all like, pilot P. So after the second mission, I go talk to Wes, and I'm like, I got your ass down. And he's like, you're getting my shield. And I was like, hell yeah. And then I pull this is this I should have been politicking for myself before the roundtable. Right for the roundtable, I pull I had a side. And I was like, hell yeah. And then I pull, this is, I should have been politicking for myself before the round table, right? For the round table, I pull I and a side, and I was like, I'm getting the shield, but I want you to say you got the shield,

Starting point is 01:33:33 and I'll back that up, and I think I can get Wes to say that as well. So that means that you'll be safe tonight from banishment because they think that you have a shield, and that means that I'll be safe from banishment because I actually have the shield. And then if no one gets murdered tonight, then we'll know that they were trying to kill me.

Starting point is 01:33:51 And then we got to figure out who would want me out. And then at the time I thought it was Robin and I was like, yeah, she'd want me out of there because I went so hard at her early that day. So that was my plan, but I never got there. I mean, Robin has the worst read on everyone she says like, what, really? Okay. Dylan, Dylan, it's so funny because I am actually called

Starting point is 01:34:14 Bob the Drag Queen. And I was like, really? It's a little too on the nose. Because it's hard to say it's obvious as a viewer. Yeah, no. But yeah, like, I remember thinking he was a little bit on the nose of like the biggest, loudest person, uh, in the house is going to be a trader, but I, and was very much like, I think he's a trader. I don't trust him. And it was funny too, because he says something like, he says something that really hurt my feelings.

Starting point is 01:34:44 He said that I've been really standoffish to him. And that wasn't true at all. It's like a pincher for a day. Well, and the reason why it was, he was the person I tried the hardest with for these reasons. He does a podcast with Monet Exchange of whom went to high school with my wife.

Starting point is 01:35:04 He's on RuPaul's Drag Race, in which my wife was a judge. And then Sarah was taking over on Little Shop of Horrors from Jinx Monsoon, who was on RuPaul's Drag Race, of whom I had just hung out with multiple nights in New York and was like, this is the coolest person I've ever met. So I was, every opportunity I went up to Bob being like, okay, I got another thing to talk to you about.

Starting point is 01:35:29 Like I know I'm a cis white, like straight male, but like I have, I know we have the same friend, like I know. And when he said that I was like- He's just projecting on you. Well, when he said that I was like, I know that's not true. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:42 Did you call him out? Yeah, so they cut that out too, but I was like, what do you talk? I said those exact things. I was like X not true. Yeah. Did you call them out? Yeah, so they cut that out too, but I was like, what do you talk? I said those exact things. I was like, X, Y, Z. I have tried to talk to you and you've like shut me down. And at the time I was like, I will concede I'm not everyone's cup of tea.

Starting point is 01:35:57 Like that's fine. But to say that like I haven't been trying with you, that's not true. And then I remember it right after I get banished, I'm pissed off, but I'm like, Robin's a traitor. And I was like, and Bob's a liar. So he made that up. And Ipsofectso, he's a traitor.

Starting point is 01:36:19 And I think that Dylan saw that. Cause all the things that I said about that, everyone heard Dylan was like, you let it, Well said that you were lying about that. And then there were people who were like, yeah, I was in the car when you were talking, when he was talking to you about this. So anyways, I wish I had like, used my intuition more. What was that phone call like with Sarah when you left?

Starting point is 01:36:42 Like you had fired from a job. Yeah, she's like, what? What? Yeah, I don't. That's possible on that show, though. Yeah, I think. Yeah, it's you know, it's weird because you get to call your family during. Yeah, but someone's like in the room to like make sure that you don't say anything.

Starting point is 01:37:02 Sarah's like trying to do like sign language. Like, you know, like your face timing. make sure that you don't say anything. Sarah's like trying to do like sign language. Like right now. You know? Yeah. Like your FaceTiming? Yeah. That's funny. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:11 That's funny. Yeah. It was good to see you. Anyone else? What else is going on in your life? I don't know. Nothing. Sarah's, I'll promote my wife.

Starting point is 01:37:19 She's going to be Daisy Buchanan on Broadway and in the great Gatsby. It is, I saw the show beforehand when she was doing Little Shop. It hasn't started yet? Her run starts February 10th and she goes through the summer. So you've got- Oh wow.

Starting point is 01:37:36 I'm gonna need some time off. Yeah. Okay. We might go out there, how was it like the 7th, 8th or 9th or something? Is that a Monday? Yeah. Monday's a Tuesday. I think it's pretty positive

Starting point is 01:37:47 her schedule starts on Monday. No, she's off on Mondays. Who knows her better? It is? 10th is Monday. Who knows her better, her best friend or her husband? Two. Well, what is today? Monday.

Starting point is 01:37:59 Yeah, so she's off today. So, okay, whatever. It's February 10th. Hold on, let me look at my calendar. Maybe it's 11th. I was gonna say, if she's off on Mondays,, it's February 10th. Hold on, let me look at my calendar, maybe it's 11th. I was gonna say, if she's off on Mondays, then it's the 11th. Early Feb, guys.

Starting point is 01:38:10 Early Feb, for sure. Yeah, you're right, I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe Tuesday, it doesn't really matter. She's still in rehearsals right now, so maybe she's just off the rehearsals. Maybe rehearsal off, what the fuck do I know about that? No, because you gotta be off the same day as in rehearsals because they have to have the actors come

Starting point is 01:38:27 and do it with them and they wouldn't make them have to work on their day off. What does a husband do when his wife's living abroad? Make it out with a different guy on stage every night. That damn Jay Gatsby. What do I do? I don't do anything. Oh, your wife, I thought you were like,

Starting point is 01:38:44 you were making out. No, he's making do? I don't do anything. Oh, your wife, I thought you were like, oh, you were making out. No, he's making out with a different guy every day at home. I'm making out with a weird way to pass the time, but okay. Yeah, I'm hanging with Bill. We've got, there's a bunch of things that I have coming up that I can't talk about, but are really exciting. And I'm supposed to go to Orlando to go hang out with Benjamin Higgins and Joey Graziani.

Starting point is 01:39:06 Grazidati. Italian last name. Golfing. Yeah, we're doing this LPGA event. So I've got that coming up and that's about it. It's good to see you, man. You too. I miss you guys.

Starting point is 01:39:19 Miss you. We're here every week. Yeah, I know. You know where we live. Yeah. Yeah. I see her all the time, so this is not that exciting. It's okay. It's okay.

Starting point is 01:39:28 Thanks for having me. I'm sorry I didn't do better. I'm like embarrassed. We're okay with it. That's okay, good. We were rooting for you and we were all pissed when you got voted off. I was too.

Starting point is 01:39:37 Yeah, we were like, what the fuck? I was so angry. So mad. Well, cause everyone's like, we're gonna be the first season to get a traitor out first. Like that's what everyone said. And I'm like, yeah, that's a good idea. Let's do that.

Starting point is 01:39:49 And then they get me and I'm like, what? Fuck guys, I'm close. Oh my gosh. I should have, to your point earlier, I should have said to Alan, I wanna be a trader. Cause then you at least you're like control of your own destiny. But I didn't do that because I didn't care.

Starting point is 01:40:08 I was like indifferent. I was like, I'll be a good trader but I think I'll be a better faithful. I'm good at reading people. So I don't know. Hindsight's 2020. Every move that was bad I made, calamity of errors.

Starting point is 01:40:21 It's only a game. My memoir. Which is something that fans sometimes seem to forget about with this show. Yeah. They get real tense. Yeah, because it's weird because it's questioning people's like integrity, which is something that people take

Starting point is 01:40:34 very, very seriously. True. You know? Especially if it's like lying and bachonation is worse than murder. No, I know. And again, the whole thing is like being there for the wrong reasons, right? If you're a traitor.

Starting point is 01:40:46 And so that's a hard thing. That was the thing that annoyed me the most. I didn't care about the money. I didn't care about getting kicked off. The embarrassment of like being out early. What hurt my feelings was someone said something about me that I didn't think was true. But anyways, priorities.

Starting point is 01:40:58 You're still number one in our hearts. Thanks. Oh. 33 in the field, number one in our hearts. All right, good talking to you. See you guys. Bye. Bye, Wells.

Starting point is 01:41:07 All right, up next, you know Miss Christopher from Sopranos, he's also in season two of White Lotus. He played the sex addicted dad. Michael Imperioli is with us next. Michael. Hi. How's it going? Okay, how are you?

Starting point is 01:41:23 We're doing great, man. We're so excited to have you. We're such big fans. Thank you very much. So what's new in your world, man? Well, I just played a couple of concerts with my band this last week in Washington DC, Philadelphia and New York, and then we have another one next week. That's a benefit for the for the relief, you know, for the victims of the fires in Los Angeles here in New York City. Yeah, it's terrible. We certainly know a lot of people. Thankfully we were okay. We know a lot of people who sadly were affected.

Starting point is 01:41:51 Do you have any friends that you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, several. You know, it's unimaginable tragedy. We really, big fans of White Lotus here on this show. We really enjoyed you in season two. What was that experience like? It was just incredible experience on every level, both in terms of the production and being there,

Starting point is 01:42:14 just as a visitor to Sicily and being in those amazing cities in Sicily and as an actor, the material and the cast and Mike White who directed everything and wrote everything, it was pretty much a dream gig for me because I love being in Italy and working there is really, really fun and exciting. How long is filming? How much time do you get?

Starting point is 01:42:35 Four months. Four months, okay. I wish it was longer. Yeah, do you, obviously with such a large ensemble cast, did you get to interact with all of your cast mates or get to know some more than others? Because with different scenes, people are sometimes, you're not working with people

Starting point is 01:42:51 or is it more like a family atmosphere with the entire cast? I definitely got to know the actors that I worked most closely with best, but we spent a lot of time together as a group because we were all living in the hotel where we were shooting most of the show. And the hotel was closed, so it was just the cast and crew and the hotel staff in this

Starting point is 01:43:12 beautiful hotel. So we had dinners together and some parties and got to spend a lot of time wandering around the streets there. It was a really lovely vibe among the cast and crew. That's great. So much about White Lotus is like, who's the one who got murdered? Did you guys, when you get the script,

Starting point is 01:43:33 is that part kept private from you guys? I don't know if that was the same with Sopranos at the end. Did you guys know about the ending prior to it happening or how did that all play out? Yeah, we knew, but we were definitely sworn to secrecy. That's how it was on The Sopranos as well. We all knew what was going on, but it was really important to everybody.

Starting point is 01:43:53 It's just more fun that the audience can get surprised. We kept it a secret as much as we could. Did Tony Soprano die at the end? I think so. You think so? Okay. I've always thought that, yeah. Are you the type of actor that likes to watch

Starting point is 01:44:07 your work back or are you like, I don't care, I don't need to see it, I don't want to watch myself? I usually watch it once, which is enough. Maybe more than enough. Less and less over the years do I enjoy it. Just gets me in my head a little bit too much. It's a little better if it's been done for a while and I can see it. I

Starting point is 01:44:26 don't like watching playback on the set, which some people do and they find it very helpful for their performance. I don't find it helpful, so I avoid it. I just get in my head and start focusing on the wrong things. I kind of pretend that nobody's going to see it except the crew and the other actors. I kind of live in a little bit of a fantasy world that millions of people aren't gonna be watching this in a couple of months. That's probably smart. I bet it would be easy to be a bit of a perfectionist

Starting point is 01:44:53 and that, you know, if you keep watching playback, you're like, I can do it better than that. I can do it better. Yeah, something like that. Or like, it's also really hard to be objective. Like, are my choices working or not? It's really hard for me to know what's being communicated. So you have to really leave that up to the director.

Starting point is 01:45:07 Yeah, is it just easier for you to just kind of trust the director and let them lead and just kind of, you do your thing and. Yeah, much, much, much easier for me to turn that over to the director and then I just focus on trying to do the best within the takes rather than judging the last take and stuff and let them adjust and make adjustments. Did you ever see Mike on Survivor?

Starting point is 01:45:30 No, I never watched Survivor. No, but he brought some of the people he did Survivor with. They did some background work in Sicily. He keeps, I guess, in contact with them and he's friends with a lot of them and they visited the set in Italy. That's really cool. Who do you keep in close contact with from that cast? with them and he's friends with a lot of them and they visited the set in Italy. That's really cool.

Starting point is 01:45:45 Who do you keep in close contact with from that cast? Well, Murray Abraham has become one of my closest friends to be honest. I mean, he lives in New York as do I. So we see each other quite often and our families have kind of become friends as well. And Adam DiMarco played my son. I keep in touch with, I just saw him a couple of months ago

Starting point is 01:46:05 when he visited New York. Sabrina Impachatore I keep in touch with and Simona Tabasco. A good bit. But once in a while I hear from quite a bunch of them. So I have really fond memories of it all and have formed some good friendships. Do you feel like White Lotus has changed the way that you look or view traveling?

Starting point is 01:46:28 Do you have any sort of like, what if? You know, I mean, to be honest, shooting in a place like that really can spoil you because having this suite overlooking the Mediterranean Sea, because we were living there. So you're kind of experiencing a bit of that as well. And it was very exclusive because the place was closed, yet there was this whole staff in the hotel working there. Also, the town itself is a seasonal, mostly a summer resort town. And we got there at the end of February. So for the first couple of months, the town itself was very quiet. So the restaurants and bars and little shops

Starting point is 01:47:04 that we went to, they all knew who we were and what we were doing there. So the restaurants and bars and little shops that we went to, they all knew who we were and what we were doing there. So there was a bit of exclusivity to that too. And that was really kind of fun, you know, to have that connection to the people in the town as well. Yeah, that is cool. Talk to us about the restoration of Girlstown. Well, this was a movie that we did in the 90s, you know,

Starting point is 01:47:22 kind of the height of American independent cinema, really the beginning of the Sundance generation of films. Jim McKay is the director and Lily Taylor, who was one of the stars, we were a part of a theater company and had done some independent off-off-Broadway theater that our friend Tom Gilroy was writing and we were producing stuff together. And this kind of came out of that vibe and that community. You know, the important thing about this restoration and re-release of the movie and place like IFC showing it is that a lot of these movies, because nobody really makes or has DVDs anymore.

Starting point is 01:47:58 I mean, very few people do. And if they're not on the streamers, you can't find these movies. Yeah. If they're not making new DVDs and if you're not a collector who has them, you know, the streamers have a limited amount of movies that they keep. A lot of these movies that were made back then, you can't get them. You can't see them. You can't find them. And I think this one is a pretty important one because it's really a precursor to the whole Me Too movement way before that actually happened, you know? Yeah, that's awesome, and you make such a great point

Starting point is 01:48:28 about so many great films and movies aren't available. One of the greater movies that you were in, Goodfellas, I watch it all the time, it's one of my re-watchables. Is that, do you still fall into the category of you don't watch your work, or is that a film? Because that's one of those things that's constantly on TV, every once in a while during the holidays,

Starting point is 01:48:48 you'll find it playing. Does that bring you back or do you still avoid that one as well? That's a little easier because it's so long ago. It's like another lifetime ago, but I do tend to avoid it. I kind of have this game with myself. Nobody really sees what I do. Kind of silly but I guess it makes it a little bit easier to go in front of the camera all the time.

Starting point is 01:49:13 You've worked with some legendary actors. Has anyone been like a role model for you or who's had the biggest impression on your career from having the opportunity to work with them? From actually working. You know, De Niro was a big influence. I was such a big fan and then when I got an opportunity to work with him so early in my career, I obviously was watching him very closely and you know, what I learned from him was how to economize, not dissipate your energy with distraction because shooting a movie are long hours and you're on set for a long time,

Starting point is 01:49:54 and there's a lot of distractions. Then we're rolling, everything has to be concentrated and intensified into this little moment that you're creating. And you may have some important closeup in some really important scene in hour 13 of the day. So you better have something in the tank.

Starting point is 01:50:18 And I watched him make sure of that. And I kept that, definitely kept that with me. But just as a fan or as a wannabe actor, when I was young, Al Pacino definitely was a big inspiration with just what he brought to the screen and what he brought to his characters and the honesty that he brought to his roles and the depth that really touched me,

Starting point is 01:50:43 made me want to be an actor. That's very cool. It's super cool to talk with you, man, and very excited to see Girlstown restored and anything else you want to plug before we let you go? Just the benefit, which is next Tuesday, January 28th at Bowery Electric in New York City, which, you know, there's a bunch of New York bands playing

Starting point is 01:51:05 and the money's all going which, you know, there's a bunch of New York bands playing, and the money's all going to, you know, to help the victims of the LA fires. So you can go to Barry Electric's website and get tickets if you want. Awesome. Really quickly, do you think Nick looks like Theo James? Yeah. Right?

Starting point is 01:51:20 I see that. I know. He's turning red. I see that a lot. You can play his brother. You could. White Lotus season four? Yeah, when it was airing, I got a lot of those. You got a lot of that, right?

Starting point is 01:51:31 Yeah, a lot of that. So I didn't quite see it, but I'll take it. He's a handsome fellow. You gotta work on your British accent. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, all right. All right, Michael, I really appreciate your time. Appreciate you, and talk soon. Thanks for having me. Take care. Thank you, bye, really appreciate your time. Appreciate you and talk soon.

Starting point is 01:51:45 Thanks for having me. Take care. Bye. Bye. Bye. So cool. Can you do a British accent? Hello, Mike. Oh, stop it. What's so rich, then? Yeah, I'm British. Oh, my God. Take it back. I take it back. All right. Let's time to get into some Salt Lake finale. Best franchise. Oh, sorry. franchise. Sorry. It's good.

Starting point is 01:52:05 It is. It's good. But Lisa's such a hypocrite. Tell us how you really feel. Words. Get into it. Let me know. It's not even an opinion.

Starting point is 01:52:13 This is a fact. Like, first of all, I mean, vicious, vicious game. I feel like Heather never has good ideas with games at these. It's giving Sawtrap. By not good. It was these. It's giving Sawtrap. By not good. It was brilliant. It was awesome. I mean, clearly it seemed like Heather went to the producers

Starting point is 01:52:30 and said, I have a great dirty idea. Or maybe they had an idea. Heather has made it very clear that she is a producer pet. She does her job. For sure. She does her job. She's clocked in. And we're thankful for that.

Starting point is 01:52:41 Nope, that's not a criticism. It's just an observation. No, when she said, we're gonna read the worst text message about another person at this table, I'm just like audibly out loud being like, you're doing what? Like I was like talking to the TV. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:52:54 What I loved about this game, it revealed who the real housewives are. Right. And who the fake real housewives are. Yup. And Mary played, Brawin played, Heather played, Angie played, and on it.

Starting point is 01:53:09 Whitney played. Whitney played. Whitney won. Whitney won. Whitney with the distance. That was, you could argue that was a little dirty. A little? It definitely was dirty, for sure.

Starting point is 01:53:21 It was unnecessary. It was scrappy. But my question is, do you think that Whitney knew that Lisa was gonna have to open up and like zoom in for every word that she wasn't gonna see what the actual text message said before she read it out loud? Cause it was like, is Lisa like-

Starting point is 01:53:35 Brittany had to do that too. She was just like, and my, and then she, what she made out and my husband did what? Like it was just like every word for word that I was like, oh my God, if you would have zoomed out and just read it so I was at a party with Justin yeah and then what so Lisa and Meredith literally didn't even play you knew she didn't want to and then basically performed her anger and and stormed off chasing Lisa I mean so she didn't have to read her nasty comments

Starting point is 01:54:08 which will never know what was said. I'm sure it would have been just a la Lisa where it was like a nothing burger. Like really that's the worst thing you've ever said about anyone Lisa. I mean, Brittany's being like, I wanna invite Bronwyn instead of Mary. And she's like, I did a search.

Starting point is 01:54:27 You searched meanest thing about, like this is the meanest thing I've said about you. I don't totally believe that's a meanest thing. No. But I'm willing to believe it's possible. No. Mary going, I agree. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:54:39 Yeah. But Lisa spreads rumors. That's Lisa's thing to spread rumors. She spreads rumors about people, their husbands, their partners, their dog. That's why it was so easy for her to so easily flip the script onto Angie and be like, see Angie, what if I would have said this about your husband? And it's like, you're doing the exact same thing that Whitney just did to you. I heard that Sean does circle jerks.

Starting point is 01:55:06 How does that feel? Like that's a crazy sentence. Yeah, and it wasn't like an example. She was like, this is a rumor I've heard, now how do you feel? Yeah, it wasn't like a what if, like someone was like, I saw Sean at the grocery store. She's okay.

Starting point is 01:55:21 Whitney's just trying, like, I mean, also Whitney is playing very dirty, but she is trying to confess that, like, the terrible things that she said about you is about your marriage. And spreading rumors. And spreading rumors, exactly. That's the game. It was Heather's game.

Starting point is 01:55:32 It was Heather's game. She played by the rules. And yes, it is very mean. Also, Angie's to Bronwyn was also about her marriage. It was also super mean. The one foot in the grave, one foot on a banana peel. Oh, she's already cried. No, yeah, that was really, really bad.

Starting point is 01:55:51 It felt so bad. But the way that Bronwyn was able to be like, okay, like if this, she's like, you don't have to explain yourself if that's how you felt in that moment. That's how you felt. Like this is what this game is. We're squashing it, we're burning it, we're good.

Starting point is 01:56:01 She doesn't listen because her ears are stitched down to her face so tight she can't hear anything. She wears a hot dog outfit to remind us she sucked her way to the top. Awful. Honestly, I would have been crying too if I read that about myself. Justin.

Starting point is 01:56:15 I wouldn't have cried. Oh, I mean. What do you have to say? She's a sniper with her words. She is. That's all I gotta say. I don't support it, but love her. She is typing.

Starting point is 01:56:24 She's like the club chalamet of the housewives. It was the fact that Angie said, oh no, she's crying. What was she crying already? What was said about Mary? About Mary. Mary was Britney. I would like to invite Bronwyn over to tea

Starting point is 01:56:35 instead of Mary tomorrow. I am curious how Mary would have reacted to some real criticism. Same. Maybe, I mean- Especially coming from Britney. Yeah. She can't stand Britney. Maybe it was intentional to, I mean. Especially coming from Brittany. Yeah. Because she can't stand Brittany. Maybe it was intentional to, I mean, because this is obviously produced. Maybe they kind of told the

Starting point is 01:56:51 girls who to read about who, you know? And. Well, clearly, like, how do you, how do you even know, how do you even know the meanest thing you said? Or how do you search that? You know what I'm saying? Like, how do you. You can search a name in your text and then every text that has that person's name comes up in every conversation. So I wonder if they like gave, if producers gave the women like, here's your person, search that in your phone. And that's why Brittany honestly is like,

Starting point is 01:57:15 this is the meanest thing I've said about you. Yeah. And she's like, cause the rest of it is on record in my videos. If they would have given me Bronwyn. Yeah. Guarantee there's some text messages in Brittany's phone about Bronwyn. I. Guarantee there's some text messages

Starting point is 01:57:25 in Brittany's phone about Bronwyn. I just, one thing I can't get out of my head, the earworm of Bronwyn's text to Brittany reading, "'Brittany is emotional manipulative.'" It's so funny. She's emotional manipulative. That brought me back to Southern Charm, some of the misuse of words, intentionality.

Starting point is 01:57:48 And Taylor was like, innuendo, or a hidden innuendo. It's like a hidden agenda. Yeah, that's funny. Also, we're glossing over Whitney reaching out to Monica. Which? I don't know, whatever. Oh, by the way, to be clear, I'm not the podcaster. Yes. Yeah, that's clear if I'm not the podcaster that they were referring to.

Starting point is 01:58:07 I'm pretty sure the podcaster they're referring to is the same person that Whitney was fighting with and Angie was fighting with at Kathy Hilton's Christmas party. Yeah, I think it's from that original call where Whitney called in the car with Justin and he said she owns a tequila company. That's confirmed in the uncensored version on Peacock.

Starting point is 01:58:25 Correct. That it's not us. Yes, it is not, it's confirmed. Yeah. We watched the Peacock version. Uncensored. So it's a live version that was like confusing people because it was a shortened version of the blog conversation at the dinner.

Starting point is 01:58:37 And they kept calling him a podcaster. And he's a blogger. He's a blogger. He's a Bravo blogger. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, so not Nick. Yeah. I do not cons yeah, so not Nick. Yeah. I do not conspire with these ladies.

Starting point is 01:58:48 But Whitney then called out Meredith for also talking to this blogger. Which makes sense. I mean, it's like, how are you gonna get mad at me for talking to him, but you did the same thing. It's like- You reach out for confirmation, you got it, and now you're saying that his word is more than mine. And Heather, thank God Heather is like, you, I can't believe you were talking to this person,

Starting point is 01:59:08 like you have to stop talking to this person, block this person, Whitney, block this person. Like them just being like allowing these people to have access to you, clearly their agenda is to like get clout and have their own storyline on their own platforms. And so it's like... The more I watch this show, the more I feel like Monica really got thrown into the bus. Oh, she absolutely did. I've been saying that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:59:32 She's- I don't see any difference between Lisa Barlow and Monica. When she said everybody was reaching out to reality volunteers. Yeah. So it's like, they all had a part of it. Also Whitney did tell us at Cathy Hilton's party,

Starting point is 01:59:43 the reason that she reached out to Monica was because she heard Monica on this podcast say she had proof that all of these women had reached out to reality bounties. So. She wanted the proof. She wanted the proof. She wanted the timeline.

Starting point is 01:59:56 Proof. Which does make sense because she was like you and even Mary, like I'm glad Mary kind of chimed in and stuck up for her being like, you women are mean. And when y'all are mean, like y'all are vicious and you do put people in a quarter to where they are like, holy fuck, what do I have to do to like prove myself? Right. That's so true.

Starting point is 02:00:11 I mean, like how the, I mean, Brittany shouldn't have been recording, but the way they, they, if they're lions, they would have just destroyed her. It's like mob mentality. Oh my God. It's vicious. Don't show one ounce of weakness in this group or we attack. One thing that also in all the drama did get looked over is, um, Angie likes to call tits chicharrones or chichis.

Starting point is 02:00:34 Testicles. Well, it's Mexican fried pork. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't stop thinking about that. What is the best word for boobs? I like titties. If you're asking me. Tata's.

Starting point is 02:00:47 Tata's, bazonga's. I'm just gonna reference early in the episode, just gonna, I'll out of this one. Nick's like balloons. Balloon emojis. Baby bottles. I don't have an opinion. Mommy mocker?

Starting point is 02:01:01 Also Meredith at the top of the episode with the Louis Vuitton eye mask on. She was such a mood. She's like, I woke up at 4 a.m. with a scratched cornea. Like, what were you doing at 4 a.m.? Also, the conversation with her and Heather of Heather being like, I don't understand why you were mad at me. And then Meredith being like, yeah, well, I was.

Starting point is 02:01:23 And then Heather being like, yeah, well I was. And then Heather being like, well, okay. And then Meredith being like, I accept your apology. Weirdos. Who was the best Lisa? The eight Lisa lunch. Phenomenal. Angie was the best Lisa for sure, in my opinion. I think Whitney was the best Lisa.

Starting point is 02:01:44 Whitney just did that to piss her off. I know. And like, you know, that's, I mean, and clearly it worked. Oh. Because she stood up, she walked away. Your gut is off, it's leaking, take a profile out of it. She was like, I have to let her see these tags

Starting point is 02:01:53 hanging off my clothes. And I didn't get it, I'm sorry. That was the, I think, I feel like I'm always on it and I just did not get it. I was like, oh my God, Whitney left her tag on. I clocked the tags, I was like, is there a tag there? Yeah. But that's part of the bit. Diabol's because Whitney was gonna be the fakest,

Starting point is 02:02:07 phoniest, catiest, materialistic bitch she could be. I love Whitney's willingness to stand up to Lisa. I did love Lisa's line of, your gut is off, it's leaking, take a probiotic. It's a mess. You will never be as ethical as me. Lisa has some great lines. She does have bars.

Starting point is 02:02:29 She does. That's why they call her Lisa Barlow. Do you think she practices them? No, I think they're off the cuff. That's her. Yeah, I think she's just that talented. Lisa and Angie both do have bars. They, in the preview for the reunion,

Starting point is 02:02:43 they bring the husbands. They always do. They didn't last. They didn't last season. For Salt Lake City, they always do. Did they not? The last season was the only season they didn't, but Salt Lake City, every season they brought the husbands out.

Starting point is 02:02:53 Yeah. Usually because they're part of the storyline too. Yeah, like Justin and Whitney, but. Because even like Mary, like that was the reason Mary's husband didn't come back. Cause it was like, he didn't like the way they treated him. Say what you want about Todd and Brawens. The fact that that guy shows up for the reunions, he must love her.

Starting point is 02:03:10 He does. Because like, I don't know, he doesn't need this shit. And it hasn't been great for him. No. So he's still showing up. The moment between Angie and Mary we need to talk about, because I was so upset that Mary just like immediately switched up on her and was like, Lisa, I'm done with Angie.

Starting point is 02:03:28 Like didn't even wanna have a conversation with her was just like, fuck this, I'm done. And then to like hear her open up at the table, like both of them crying. And it was like, you realized in that moment that when she like wasn't answering Angie, Angie was like, oh my God, like, wait, this means more, like our friendship means so much to me.

Starting point is 02:03:44 And like, what, this isn't just like a show, this is real life. And it was a really beautiful moment. I didn't agree with Mary in that moment, but I appreciate her explanation and her vulnerability around her abandonment issues. Because like, I'm glad that Angie went there. Whether you like Brittany or not, again, those women were vicious.

Starting point is 02:04:04 And it's like bullying behavior that they showed Brittany and it was just fucking mean. And I think any decent person would go and just make sure that person is okay. Mary obviously has her issues with Brittany, but I'm glad that Mary at least explained where it came from and it obviously was less about Brittany and more about just like, she really wants to be able

Starting point is 02:04:27 Mary needs to know who her ride and dies are she needs so she wants to she wants that absolute trust and loyalty and It was it was an overall sweet moment. Yeah, I said you changed my life for the better and I was like, okay I see you differently than everyone else. I I cried i'm not gonna lie. I shed a tear it made me emotional They said I love you. Yeah, I was like cry, but she didn't make me cry this one. Well, maybe at the reunion who knows? Yeah, well that will wrap up this episode a special. Thank you to our guests Wells Adams and Michael Imperioli We are back tomorrow with a very special going deeper episode excited to be bringing it to you And then we are back on Thursday for another reality recap. We'll see you then. Bye. There's a lot of decisions you have to make when you have a baby and the one that I feel the most

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The Viall Files - E870 - Traitors w/ Wells, Baldoni Keeps Suing, Matt and Rachael Breakup, RHOSLC Finale + Michael Imperioli

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