The Viall Files - E871 Going Deeper with Brody Jenner

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper with Brody Jenner   You may know Brody Jenner from MTV’s The Hills, Keeping up with the Kardashians, or Special Forces… he’s perhaps the ultimate OG of reality TV. In today’s episode, Brody addresses it all!. Why does he love being a dad? What was his near-death experience? Does he want to return to Reality TV? And, how did Caitlyn Jenner apologize?   “You have to be able to forgive, you have to move forward.” Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod   Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles    Thank You to Our Sponsors: Chewy - Chewy has everything you need to keep your pet happy and healthy. And right now you can save $20 on your first order and get free shipping by going to https://www.Chewy.com/viall Shopify - Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://www.shopify.com/viall  Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (06:55) - How Did You Meet? (08:52) - Relationships (17:42) - Hawaii (19:11) - LA Fires (21:32) - Spencer (26:47) - Down To Earth (35:06) - Reality TV (42:45) - Special Forces (53:02) - Family (01:05:14) - What’s Next? (01:11:39) - Parenting (01:15:11) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @brodyjenner @justinkaphillips  @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell

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I think I've been hoping to have you on for quite a bit now. Dude, I don't do these things ever. I'm not a pod, I've done some podcasts, but I'm not a huge podcat. I don't do that many. I feel like you've kind of, I mean, and maybe it's just having a baby, but I feel like you've really just honed in

on like your personal life and staying a little bit more private. Absolutely. I think that I've had sort of the opportunity to be able to do that, which has been a lot of fun. I think that as you guys know, congratulations by the way, that's amazing. And is it, it's a boy or girl? It's a girl. It's just, it'll be one for a second. The girls, oh, they just. When you guys were pregnant, when your fiance was pregnant, or are you hoping for a gender? Were you kind of, whatever happens? I think

that healthy obviously is our, is our, you feel about it? I think that healthy, obviously, was our number one thing was healthy. You're just like, oh, you just pray every day that your baby's healthy. And I think that as far as gender goes, I went back and forth with the boy, because I'm like, you gotta carry on the name. The boy's gonna carry on the name and all this.

And my brother had a daughter for his first child and he's got twin boys. But like I said, healthy was most important. Once I had a girl, I want all girls. Like I'm not even exact, I want like, I love being a girl dad so much, it's weird. Like it's- How old is she now?

She's 18 months. Okay, yeah, so like what, nine months? Yeah, like nine months older than me. I just, I don't know what it is, but you're in it, you see, but it just gets gross. No, it's been awesome. I was someone who grew up always hoping I could have a son.

Absolutely. I didn't really, obviously didn't really care. It's like someday I hope, pass the name, play some sports, whatever. And then as soon as River came out, you're just like, you couldn't imagine anything else. And then now, you know, it's just like, as we think about, you know, maybe growing our family and things like that, it's just like, there's something about like, it's really easy to love a daughter, you know? And I think as dads, and we were, I was talking about with friends, it's just like, I got to almost nervous having a boy.

It's just like, will I project too much onto my son? Will I try too hard? Well, I think with River, it's just more like, man, you just want to love on her and just take care of her. It just feels so natural and so easy. It's a weird feeling. And I feel like the dad role with a son is also very, like, it's tough.

You got to raise a son and to teach him all those values, to be a good man in society. You got to teach them a lot of stuff. I think it's tougher now more than ever for boys out there. For sure. And especially what's great is let's say we do have a boy, which I would love to have a boy, like I said, healthy, most important. But if we do have a boy, I feel that it's so imperative and amazing that he has this

amazing older sister in his life. And that I think teaches men so much. And I was very blessed to have a lot of sisters in my life, step sisters, biological. And I think that helped me a lot growing up as a, to be understanding to women and then to understand certain needs and certain things and to how to be compassionate. And I think it teaches a man a lot to be around female energy as think it teaches a man a lot to be around female energy as they're growing up. Sure.

Especially sisters or things like that, that nature. Yeah. Sure. What do you think about that? Yeah, why are you looking at me like that? You don't think? No, no, no. I mean, I have two brothers. One, I'm the youngest of seven.

You're the youngest. So you're the youngest. I'm the youngest of seven, yeah. I'm like the older sister to the younger brother. Perfect. So, yeah. Where do you fall in line? I'm the youngest. I like the older sister to the younger brother. Yeah. So, yes. Where do you fall in line? I'm the youngest.

I'm the youngest brother. Okay. So I'm the youngest brother, but the older sister, you know, to a man, I just think like that helps. I do. I really think that like having the older sister and it's just, you have to respect women

and respect authority from, it's just, I don't know. I mean, my brother, he's above me. He's like two years above me. And then there's two older sisters above him. And I feel like he is just so like, no, just knows everything about females because we just were like, beat it into his brain of like, we're on our periods.

Like, yeah. Oh yeah, I mean, I have. Almost two. I was painting my nails. I was playing with Barbies. They were my sisters. I had the like, the little GI Joes and then they had the big Barbies.

You have sisters? Yeah, I have 10 siblings. Oh, that's right. You were telling me that. So I'm surrounded by sisters. So it was my older sister, me, then I have two sisters after me. And then she had four boys in a row

and three girls in a row. So my closest brother is like seven years younger, which is not that big of a gap nowadays. But when I was younger, it was just me and my, it was, it was like, I had just sisters. So it was like, yeah, it was a lot of hanging out with them. And yeah, I remember being like in first grade, just being like, well, why can't I paint my nails? You know, you can, why not?

You still do it. I was painting out. Why not? I mean, now I think it'll be fun to have when you go through that stage with your daughter, of her wanting to put makeup on you and do your hair. And it'll be so fun. Bring it on.

Yeah, no. It really has just been such a blessing. What is her personality like? She's really smart. I mean, she's smart. She's talking already. She's communicating. She's funny.

She's got this personality that's very, she's clever. She's got this personality that's very, she's clever. She's got this like, she jokes all the time, which is weird. She's so little and she's like jokes. And she does side eyes. You tell her to give you a side eye and she'll give you a side eye and go, mm-hmm. Like she's witty.

I mean, she's got her personality. Our daughter's also a genius. Yeah. It's like, I feel like every parent is always like, that they're just, that's genius. Yeah. I will say though, that I do credit all of that mostly to my, my amazing fiancee Tia. She's such a good mom. She really is. She's been so good ever since she's been a, an infant to just work with her patient. You know, she's always working with her speech and talking

and this and playing and she did so much research going into it. She's just been amazing. And I think that that does help a lot. Yeah, I'm very lucky to have Natalie. She's like, I feel like I'm one of the most hands-on dads, but like compared to like the finer details that Natalie does, like there's little things that she's researched. I'm more like, you know, just let's just feel it out. Like, just trust your gut, you know?

Which is like kind of good. And I'm like you have a lot of siblings, grew up around babies, very familiar. But I've learned a lot that I had no idea. Natalie brings in my attention through like the little details that she looks into and things like that. Totally. And I think nowadays too, I mean,

there's so much like research and online and stuff. You can find, there's so many things you can learn about that I don't think that our parents had when we were growing up, you know, it was just sort of winging. So there is a lot of information out there that does make such a difference. You know, things that Tia has done with Honey,

you can really see how it's helped her developmental stage, you know, a lot. So it's really cool. How did you and Tia meet? We met in Hawaii. We sort of started, you know, I slid into the DMS. And I'm like, I slid into the DMS. And I'm like, yeah, that's okay.

That's okay. That's okay. That's okay. All right, all right. That's my shame. Hey, you know, I mean, it's just, it's interesting. Like, you know, Instagram and those kinds of things. It's one of those things where you have people's information.

They don't even know. I mean, everybody, you know, so I did, I saw her on that show, the surfing show, the ultimate surfer. What am I talking about? Yeah. Worst ones ever. No, it was, yeah, the ultimate surfer. What am I talking about? Yeah. Worst one ever. Yeah, the ultimate surfer.

It's been a long time. Okay, okay. Follow her on TV. Yeah. Follow her on Instagram. America's best surfer. No, no, no. It was called the ultimate surfer and Tia was on it.

And I saw her on there. I had never seen her before. And I follow surfing pretty, you know, I'm a surfer. And I've been in the Oshima Ola. I was like, who is this girl? I've never heard of her. She's incredible. She's beautiful.

She serves better than all these. I was kind of blown away by her. So I looked her up and then I saw her. And then I think I saw her, I don't know. I think she was like shooting some guns or something outside and I was just like, whoa, this is, I'm really in love now. She was shooting guns.

I'm like, I'm sold, I'm in. So I think I reached out to her and just was like, hey, you know, wow. Anyway, we just small talk and we did that for quite a while. I think we just sort of talked very briefly for almost a year maybe. And then I was on a family trip in Hawaii and she was on a neighboring Island and she wanted me to come to her. And I was like, listen, like my whole family's here. I can't really leave. And I was like, look, there is one plus side that you get to meet my entire family in one,

in our first, you know, first time we meet, you get to meet every single person. Like not everyone, but 95% of them, that's tough, you know? So she was like, all right, I understand. So she came over and we spent the day. And honestly, like, as soon as I saw her, as soon as I picked her up from the airport, I was just completely, I mean, she's amazing. Yeah. I'm very, very lucky, very lucky to have her. I mean, we still,

we still battle. You gotta keep it exciting, you know? The more I look at India, it's just the more I was like, man, I feel like me and Brody have a lot of similarities in terms of our relationship history and things like that. We're relatively the same age. We both look good for our age. We try really hard, man. We try. Moisturize, moisturize.

Somebody was asking that today on the show, what is your routine? I'm like, I don't have a routine, but I was like, the one thing I guess I do do is moisturize. I've always moisturized. Like dishwasher detergent. Like exactly, yeah.

Exactly. Just like the body lotion, I don't know what it is. I just rub it all over my face too. But I think like lotion. Yeah, I mean, I've, you know, people certainly, because I was on The Bachelor, know at least a chunk of my dating history. And then after that, just kind of being in the public eye,

especially if you're known for, like once you go on The Bachelor, like half your audience really only gives a shit about who you're dating, who you're not dating. And then even before that, you know, I had been engaged before I certainly had my my downs in relationships. And obviously now that you know, Nellie and I are married, it's been a great relationship and I've learned, you know, a lot from my past mistakes. Like how is your relationship different? And I guess what have you learned from, you know, all the other relationships that you've been in?

Honestly, I think just life experience. I think that there's not one specific thing that I've learned. I think that as you guys both know, just every year, you just, you just are different. I was just the other day gonna say something on my TikTok cause I was like, isn't it so crazy? Cause you see all these young TikTokers

with the face tats and the this or now the spray tans and these guys had some veneers and they were doing this video. And I reposted on it, I think, cause it was so ridiculous, this video. And I'm thinking like, those kids though, right now think that that's cool. And they're like, you know, this is cool.

But if, you know, when they're my age and they look back at themselves, they're gonna be like, what was I thinking? And I think that's how life is with relationships. I think that it's all this entire thing that we're doing right now, living. And you know, living and breathing is an experience and it's a learning experience if you are able to open yourself up and not be too close-minded and learn. And I think that from all those relationships, I've learned a lot as far as like what not to do, or what does work, what are the

things that do work, what are the things that don't work? And I think just life experience has helped me. Because I think if I would have met Tia in my 20s, we might've not been together. We might have because I think I was young and I was immature and I was wild and I was going out and I was partying. I was a young male living in Hollywood on a television show and that's, I was wild for sure. And I've definitely now settled down. And I think that I reached a certain point in my life where I just was like, you know, really trying to find what made me happy. Like, what do I enjoy? Do I enjoy being single? Do I enjoy being in a relationship? And I found that I do love being in a relationship. I really love, I love love and I love being in a relationship, but I had to do some things to change to,

to better myself, to be able to just be an all around better father, especially when kids are involved. As soon as you have a kid, it's like, so I think that over time, I've just kind of lived life and learned what not to do and what to do and what's good and what's bad. We're all human, I still make mistakes,

I think we all do. When I met Natalie early on, once things got serious, I was like, I definitely wanna have kids, but I don't think I ever wanna all do. When I met Natalie early on, once things got serious, I was like, I definitely want to have kids, but I don't think I ever want to get married. And I had never been married before, but through the various engagements I had been a part of, it was just more like, it's 2024, fuck marriage, I don't really care.

Obviously that changed for me mostly because of Natalie. I know you guys are engaged, but was that a hurdle? You know, you've been married before, right? Yeah, I was, I got, I was, yeah, I did get married before. I had the thing, we got married in Indonesia a while ago. We never officially signed, you know, did the whole- So never- No, so technically, so technically no.

Technically no, I was never officially married. I didn't have to go through a divorce. We had a big party, you know? We had a big raging party in Indonesia. But so, and- It's like getting married in a movie. And didn't have to go through that legal battle when we separated, which was nice.

That's a blessing. Yeah, and I think that for me, I was the same way. Growing up, that's all I knew was divorce and parents and fighting. And when they did get a divorce, just how messy it was and fighting over it. I mean, it was just, you know, I saw that my whole life and that definitely put me off marriage for a long time.

You know, I was just kind of like, I don't know if I want to do that. You know, why? It's just, you're signing your life. Well, why do we need to do that? Why can't we just be together? And if we're not in love anymore, just go our separate ways without that sort of signature that says, well, you know, I get this and you get this and this is your divvy it up.

You know, that's just feel like, you know, you should just know whose is like, okay, this is mine. This is yours. Let's do this friendly. It's just so sad when you see people spend so much time together and create this life together. And then when they get a divorce, how many times you see it just go so south. And now all of a sudden these two people hate each other. And then they're going, you know, let's say somebody cheats or something like that. You know, your spouse, they want to, they want to take everything that you got. If you cheat, you do something like that. I mean, get ready because it's going to be messy. And I just think that now having met the right, I mean, Tia is the love of my life. And I think that, you know, over, back then it was just a little, my headspace was a little different. I think now once I met Tia and I just, I really want to see her in that wedding dress. I want to see her and look like we talked about. We learned, you learned, I learned, you know, like what, you know, I kind of feel like the, my first marriage was a little, I was, you know, not really ready. And I just kind of was like, okay, I'll just do it anyway. You know, nothing, not to say anything bad

about my, any of my exes, but you know, just life happens and I learned. And then now it's, I finally found the right person. And we have this beautiful daughter and I want to see honey in the wedding. I want to see her watching Tia in the wedding. And I think we're going to get a little dress for honey. I mean, it's just, I feel like it's,

it feels more now like it's like, this is, this is a family. Yeah, totally. It just feels right. So I feel like it feels more now like, it's like, this is a family. It's supposed to be. Yeah, totally, it just feels right. So I feel like I'm in a place in my life where I do wanna get married. I want that, I want the family, I want the kids, I want, I'm just, you know. Do you feel like growing up with all of that divorce

and all the heartbreak and all the fighting, do you feel like that taught you in your marriages or in relationships to like fight until the end or to like kind of at the first sign be like, I can't do this. Absolutely. 1000, it really, cause Tia's parents, they've been together over 30 years, you know,

her parents have, you know, so, and I know a lot of people that have parents that have fought through it and stayed married. And I think that I'm envious of that. And I think that it's worth fighting for, you know, if you really love the person and you really love your family and you don't want to see your, you know, ultimately it's the kids that, you know, that's who it affects the most, you know,

when the family unit is broken up and even, you know, it doesn't, it affects them as much as you think it does in a little, that's the little things, you know? And, uh, but ultimately, if it's better for you guys to, for parents to split up, to take away the fighting and to take away all that stuff in front of the kid, that's important too. If you are not able to coexist as parents

and show your child that this is what love looks like, affection, love, hugging, that is so important. If you guys are gonna argue and do all that stuff, make sure you do it somewhere else and not in front of the kid. One of the things I'm most proud about me and Natalie is, well, thankfully we have good communication and we rarely fight,

but I just love the environment we raised our daughter in and just that energy because I think that definitely matters. And like you mentioned, Natalie and I kind of have that difference in our upbringing. I was lucky enough to have the parents still together. I've never really seen them fight. Maybe as an adult, they bicker now, but they were very good about like keeping that,

you know, private. Now he came from more of a broken home, but our motivations are still the same, you know, in terms of I have my reasons for wanting to replicate what my parents have in a lot of ways. And she has a reasons for to not do the opposite. Right. Absolutely. And it comes from that

same good place. Yeah, that's another. It's interesting here, you know, like, like I'm so grateful, like, like exes, like one, I'm grateful for everything. The good and bad, because I have learned so much from, but like now that I've gotten older, some of my exes from way in the past, like I've told this now, it's like, I'm like, oh, fuck, I used to, it's been a relationship. It's like so fucking long ago. You know, like 15 years ago. You're like, wait, and you think about how much

these people were in those moments, a big party, they were your whole life. You know, when you're dating someone and then to have the years go by where you're like, was that a dream? It kind of feels like a surreal thing that, you know, maybe it's a surprise to be getting older that she doesn't relate to yet.

No, I know, maybe it's a surprise that she doesn't relate to you yet. No, I know. I was like, Sorry, I'm jealous I'm young. Yeah. Oh my God. Like, it came up and I was like, How old is Tia? Tia is 28 or 27. She's 27.

I'm 26. Yeah, so she has the same age. Yeah. Well, wow. And you are? 44. So 44. Yeah, we're like, right?

This is all- Neck and neck. We got all hang out. Yeah. We got all hang out. Yeah. Got all outside. All right, so do y'all live in Hawaii or are you- We do, we live half, you know, I love Hawaii.

I always have Tia spent a lot of her time growing up in Hawaii, so did I. We just love it over there. We love the people, we love the lifestyle, we love everything about it. Unfortunately, with work and things like that, it is tough when you're over there. You do kind of get on island time, which is amazing.

That's part of the reason why I love it so much. But also you just sort of, you can get real sucked into just family time. Just go to the beach and you're like, this is too good. So we love it. Eventually I could retire and all that. I think that we'll probably end up full time over there. Right now we're doing a little bit of back and forth.

You know, I love Malibu is my home. I born and raised there pretty much my entire life. My, well actually my entire life, but there's just a lot of, you know, it's sad, but it's changed a lots from when I grew up in Malibu, you know, and I think that where we live in Hawaii, it still has that, those values that I remember growing up as a kid, the kind of the localism and the protecting

and the this, that, and I feel like Malibu, they got a public access, every other street is a public access now, and look, and I understand the reasoning behind that. You want everybody to experience, but it also takes away from why you end up buying in that area in the first place. If you're from there, you don't love it.

You're just like, dude, cause Malibu is really expensive, you know? And it's expensive to live there and you spend the money to live there. You want to kind of keep it private and you want your privacy. Yeah. And also, I mean, obviously fires recently

it's been pretty devastating. My God. Yeah. Malibu was hit too, right? You know, Malibu is, it's frustrating. I will say that that topic for me is extremely frustrating only because I've grown up in Malibu my whole life and I have saved our home multiple times from fires

by staying back and fighting and I just, the Woolsey fire, I was there by myself spraying my house till the bitter end was able to save it, save the house. And then as soon as the fire went by, you know, I put out spot fires, whatever. And then I got out of there, which was really important because the fire department had issued save lives, but don't save structures. House was totally savable. But if you're not there saving it to just rely that the fire department is going to go save it, sometimes that's tough. So it's super important to get all the necessary fire equipment in the offices or just like, you know, masks, things like that.

Cause if you are going to stay back and fight, you want to be prepared. But also like how unprepared we were for this is, it's inexcusable. It really is inexcusable because I, I'm in Hawaii. Somebody said, oh, fire just started in the Palisades. And I'm like, oh, well, let me check my wind reports real quick. Cause I have, you know,

I'm a surfer and I do sailing and all this other stuff. So I'm like, let me see what the wind's gonna be like. And I looked at the wind forecast and I heard it, and I saw where the fire started. And I immediately knew, I was like, oh, this is gonna be as bad as Maui. This is gonna get probably worse than Maui. This is gonna be so bad.

And I knew that immediately. The fact that the higher-ups are getting this information 48 hours in advance, days before, they need to have crews up in the mountain, watching for arsonists, watching for people to start fire, because we all know people love to do that. Every year, it seems that there is a fire. They should have been more prepared. And granted, you can only be so prepared.

Let's be realistic here. Let's just say they had all the water in the world and the fire hydrants were working the whole time. Let's just say it was, it would have still been very hard. Yeah, I think that's the thing. It was always going to be time. Let's just say it was, it would have still been very hard. I think that's the thing. It was always gonna be devastating,

but how devastating? It seems like maybe they could have limited that. I mean, Rick Caruso saving his mall. It's like if he could, like clearly, if you have resources, things could have been done. Exactly, certain fire breaks, like lines cleaning up a lot of that brush that are surrounding those neighborhoods. I mean, there are, and, you know, and unfortunately, so many people

paid the ultimate price, which is losing everything. And it's just, it's, it really is just devastating for Los Angeles. Have you been able to connect with Spencer at all? I talked to him every day. You know, I talked to Spencer today. I know he did you guys a show. Yeah, he's, look, he's taken a terrible situation and he's making it into the most positive. I mean, he lost everything and a lot of people did and he's just turning to the people, you know, his fans and followers and people to. I love the way him and Heidi have come together.

I love the way he's been just hyping up his wife. Like obviously a terrible tragedy, but the way they have demonstrated that they're a family, I don't, maybe it's because obviously I'm in like this dad mode, husband mode, but I find it to be inspirational and attractive and like, you know, obviously terrible that they lost everything, but the way they are trying to rebound, I just, I commend them so much. I think it's been one of the coolest stories to come out of that whole terrible situation. I couldn't agree with you more. You know, I've known Spencer since I was, I don't know, 13 years old, 12, 13 years old, long time, Spencer. And I go, wait, yeah, we've got crazy stories. And the one thing that I'll always tell people about Spencer is Spencer is a great guy. Spencer

is a really, especially incredible husband, incredible father, but also a great friend. Like Spencer will, he rides with the people. He will, if he, if Spencer, if you're on Spencer's good side, he will go to the grave with you. But if you're on his bad side, he will, he will put you in that grave. I love how everyone was turning, anyone who made the video is like safe from Spencer. Yeah, I made it because I wanna support him.

Yeah, everyone's like, oh, you're kidding. Like, okay, okay, okay, okay. But I will say, but Spencer has always gotten sort of this bad, you know, from the Hills. But Spencer and I go so far back to Princes of Malibu to do a reality television before we even got on the Hills. But you know, people, not enough people know this about Spencer, that Spencer created that villain,

that person, you know, against Laura. Like that was all Spencer's mind just working. And his genius is to be able to, I mean, he loved producing reality television. So when we got on the Hills, Spencer was like, oh, now I can use my producer brain and I'm gonna be the villain, I'm gonna do this. I wanna be, and he would tell me all the time,

this is when Kevin Federline days, like back in the day with Kevin and Brittany, Spencer used to tell me, he'd be like, I wanna be Kevin Federline. I want to be the most hated person in the world. And I'm just like, I don't. Like, I'm looking at him like, well, I do not wanna be that. So you're on your own. Like, I don't wanna be, he's like, I wanna be the most hated person in the world. And I'm just like, I don't. I'm looking at him like, well, I do not want to be that. So you're on your own.

Like, I don't want to be, he's like, I want to be the most. And he was adamant that I'm not even exaggerating. He really manifested that. Like he was so driven to being the most hated guy in the world that he went and he was. And for one time, I really think that he might've been one of the most hated people, like one of, you know, in the world and people, he would get death, I mean, he's driving down the street

and people are like, yeah, no, screw you, Spencer, you know, da da da. Like, oh, and then he became a little bit like, I don't know if you know that phase of him, but then a little bit paranoid and he threw all his hair. He's trying to hide himself, he's got the guns. He's like, got a gun at every, you know, he walks at any door. He's going to Costa Rica, getting busted at like TSA with some loaded mag, I don't know what. Then he got paranoid because he's like to Costa Rica, getting busted at like TSA with some loaded,

I don't know what, then he got paranoid because he's like, wait a minute, what did I just do? But he did that, you know, he did. And then, you know, once he tried to backtrack, like, wait a minute, okay, this is a little intense, like my life's in danger now. Like then it was really hard to get people to go, oh, you know what, Spencer's actually a really good guy.

And I think what's so cool about this and what I'm witnessing is people are finally really getting to see what an incredible father he is, person, husband. He's really an amazing person. One of the cool things I love doing about this is we get to sit down with people like you and get to know them. And when you talk to someone for an hour or two, I mean, you don't learn everything about them, but you really get a sense of who they are. And for the most part, most of the people we interviewed seem like decent people, but especially people like Spencer when they come in with a big reputation.

And it was just so evident that this guy, like his character is strong. You say mistakes or say this, say that, but you could tell that the things that matter most in life, he understood that. You know, and like his family and just like, and things like that, his friends, I remember him just the way he talked about you and the way he talked about his wife.

Yeah, it's, in learning about a story, I'm fascinated with it and I have so much respect for him just because to wanna play that villain role and to not give a fuck what people think says a lot about you in the best possible way. Especially now we live in a world where everything people do is just for the attention, for the clicks, the likes.

I mean, people are forward thinking, well, if I do this, how much attention will it get? People even know if they're being sincere anymore because everything is related to like, how are people going to react? What are people going to think? The word brand is now just like such a, I mean, I learned the word brand when I was in corporate America

and they're like, you know, you gotta protect your brand at work. I was like, oh, and what's that? This is like 50 years ago, and now like 12 year old kids are like, so what's your brand? You know, it's like so fucking crazy. So for him to like, and even just to both of you,

I think when I'm so fascinated by the two of you, it's just like, your guys just both of you, I think what I'm so fascinated by the two of you, it's just like your guys is like childhood, young adult life. Yeah, you partied, you got into some shit, but like I'm almost kind of blown away how like relatively normal you guys are and down to earth.

Relatively for sure. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, just want to hear what is normal? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do I wanna be that? I think Sound Earth is a better way of saying it,

but like, you know, we've also met some people, they get some attention and you're just like, you can tell they lose themselves. Absolutely. Where do you think that came from? I mean, especially with just your crazy upbringing and just always being, I mean, really, you've been one of the most famous people

with one of the most famous families. It's sometimes impossible to, some people I just, it's like I get it, it's like why they lost themselves. Like, it's like they didn't have a chance. Like how do you think you were able to do that? I think that I'm extremely blessed to have a great parent. My mother was just an incredible, incredible mother. I definitely owe a lot to her. My stepfather, David Foster was an incredible stepfather as well. He was

around and he was great. But I will say that what you're talking about, I think it was my friends. I think it was parenting, yes, but also my friends. I lived in this neighborhood in Malibu called Sarah Retreat. And I remember David had just done the bodyguard soundtrack. So he had just done the bodyguard soundtrack. You know, we, we grew up in Malibu. We didn't have a ton of money. We grew up in a relatively normal size house and you know, just very, you know, normal Malibu upbringing and David, you know, he was my stepdad and

he did the bodyguard soundtrack. He had a lot of success. I think, you know, he won all these Grammys. He really had a year that just transformed his life and he made a lot of success. I think, you know, he won all these Grammys. He really had a year that just transformed his life and he made a lot of money. And I remember I was around, I think 10 years old and he bought this monstrosity of a house, this place that was like, you know, he's like, Hey, we're going to buy. And it was actually moving next door to my two best friends, Mel Gibson's kids at the time.

And I was like, Oh, I get to live my friend. And we get in all of a sudden we went from like just a normal house to like, I mean, you had to take a train to get from the main house to the pool. So it was like at 10 years old, all of a sudden we were like, wow, this is, this is wow. And then, and I had a couple broke homies. I had a couple of homies that had nothing. You know, they literally, they took care of the barn stables.

Their parents took care of the barn stables in this neighborhood that we live in. And they literally live, when I say this, like in a converted barn stall. And it was two of them, Sir and Victor and their sister, Laura. And they had three kids and the parents all living in this tiny little home. And I would have this monstrosity of a mansion, but I would go over and I would sleep at their house.

I basically lived at their house and I loved it so much. I loved the way they live. You know, there'd be trash piled up everywhere. And I didn't care because they were my best friends. We would go to school. We loved each other and I lived in their world and I loved it. And they showed me what it's like to have no money at all and zero. And I loved it, but I loved them and I loved the way they lived. And then I'd be like, Hey, I took them on their first plane flight. I took them to

all these things. And I had all these David was working with at the time, like Barbara Streisand all these celebrities. And for me, that was kind of normal. David was, I never really looked at being a celebrity as something that was like, oh, I wanna be that, or I wanna be a celebrity. I just, I looked at them as normal people because I would see them all the time. And I think coming from a world

where you get to see both sides, where I was very in touch with friends, people that didn't have any money at all. And then I'd all of a sudden be in these environments where I'm hanging out with Celine Dion and this. And having both of those worlds, I think really helped me understand that fame, money, all that shit, it doesn't mean anything. All that stuff doesn't mean anything unless you, you know, your health is gone.

I mean, health should be number one most important thing in life is your health. You know, fame and money. Some people think it's a blessing, but a lot of times it can be a curse. Well, and I'm sure you got a front row seat to some of that. Absolutely. Front row seat to maybe how some of the famous or rich people in your orbit or circle treated each other or treated themselves or lack of health or tragedy.

That's the thing about tragedy. It doesn't care about your privilege. It doesn't care about what you have. And then you got to see, like you mentioned your best friends and how they treated each other and their family, their connectedness. Oh, and it was great.

I'm sure it was just transforming. Yeah, it was just so, a lot of times you see the more, what is it, more money, more problems. I mean, you see like the way their family unit was, was just so tight and amazing. And it was just, you know, and then you see a lot of people with a lot of money and they're just, it's like, they're all over the place, you know, because I grew up in LA and I had a lot of friends that had a lot of money. But I feel like if you grow up in an environment like that, where just everybody around you has just nothing but money

and opportunity and all this shit, then you're not going to learn anything. But if you are surround yourself with people that have nothing and that you're learning stuff from them, and then you also sharing all this cool stuff that you have, the wealth, and you're like, hey, check this out, let's go here. And that's kind of what we were doing. I think it really sort of teaches you and traveling.

Like I traveled a lot. We went to Africa when I was really young. I got to see some really, some communities, a lot of poverty, a lot of, and I got to, you know, I was very blessed to be able to do that sort of stuff too. And parents teaching you, hey, like, this isn't normal. Just so you know, like, this is not,

this life is not normal. Like, that is normal. So I think that helps a lot. It's just sort of- Yeah, I'm sure also like watching your friends, like when you took them on place, took them places and then being like, holy fuck, you're like, oh, okay, so this isn't normal. Like this is crazy.

They were just like blown away, you know, it's, yeah. It's pretty, it's, yeah. And I love them and we still talk to this day. And like, you know, we're still good friends and, you know, one of them works construction and the other one, we're just like, you know, we're like this. That's awesome. Yeah, it's great.

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You and Spencer, you could argue that you guys were one of the founding fathers of reality TV. Do you watch it as a fan? Do you keep up? You know, just from- Reality TV? Yeah, do you watch, whether it's The Bachelor or Traders or whatever, Housewives, or are you just like,

fuck this shit, or do you see behind the scenes? I have funny, you know, it's funny about you, Nez. I remember there was, what was the show that you did that was like the island one? It was like, it all took you. Paradise. It was Paradise, right? Okay, so that I remember.

It's my best work. Yeah, so you were on the one, yeah, I think that was your best work, because I remember I did watch some of that, and I remember one year you were kind of like, you know, you never were out of shape, but you were just kind of like normal shape. And then I remember this guy came back

Ritz! One of the seasons and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Jacked city. This guy put in some work in the off season. Yeah. And I swear to God to this day, I still remember like watching it and being like, wait a minute, Nick, look at this guy.

And it just, you know, all, and all the girls are like, oh my God, look at that Nick. And you were just, you a minute, Nick, look at this guy. Just, you know, all the girls are like, oh my God, look at that Nick. And you're just, you know, always very good looking guy. But like when you got ripped, all of a sudden I was like, and then I remember watching and being like, damn, I gotta get ripped now. That's all the reaction. He was like, I need to get some house.

I was like, I'm here, where am I? I met Natalie when I was a little bit older. And she's still in okay shape. But every once in a while, she'll bring up those photos and then like, what the fuck? Yeah. You're not allowed to just let yourself go now, buddy. It's crazy how like they got your best work.

I'm your wife, the mother, your child. I get this. It's not that bad. Oh, it's funny. That is funny. It's tough work to do that. I've gotten in pretty insane shape a couple of times of a few times in my life, but it's a lot.

It takes a lot of, it's like, it's a lot. Yeah, I was doing crossfit. Yes, I mean, come on. You're sticking up for him for sure. He's like, listen, you haven't had the time. But you seem like you're in great shape. You know, I mean, it takes a lot to just, do you just, are you one of those people

that are just blessed? You don't even have to. I mean mean post Baby, I we got married two months later, so I really was like I have to how was that doing that? Cuz why cuz the only reason I asked is cuz Tia's you know We were we're sort of waiting to have our next kid because she was like I want to wait till after I want to Get married and be like and then so how was that? I mean it was the best It was an amazing just go aisle holding her. It was like the coolest thing ever. We definitely didn't plan it that way.

It was like, you know, we got engaged. We were like kind of, we had like tentatively planned a date, which was the date we had, like the time we got married. And then we found out now he was pregnant. And it was like, fuck, you know, like, what do we do? It was like, we didn't really want to shock on it. And we wanted to have a wedding. We didn't want to extend it too long.

She has some family members that have some health problems. So we were just like, fuck it. And then just went for it. And now like, you know, she has- What'd you guys do? My family has a farm in Savannah, like an animal farm. Oh, that's beautiful. It was like a Yellowstone wedding.

Georgia. I mean, it was like, yeah, they have this ranch, it's animal horses everywhere. It was beautiful. That's really cool It was like a Yellowstone wedding. In Georgia. I mean, it was like, yeah, they have this ranch, it's animal horses everywhere. It was beautiful. That's really cool. I love that. I mean, I would definitely recommend. I mean, obviously I know a lot of people are like,

that's the opposite way of doing things, but it was so special to have her be a part of that. And I think Honey would, I mean- That's what we, because we were kind of like, it'd be nice to have her kind of be walking, during that swag. Because we wanted to get married. We were like, let's wait, we'll wait like a year. And then we asked, she'll be kind of more a part

of the wedding as opposed to just like newborn where she can kind of remember it, you know? So we're excited. We're gonna, we're gonna do it. I think we're doing it here. They were gonna do it in Malibu. Just we're gonna do it out the house, chill, just some friends, family, nothing too crazy.

Just. That was our plan too. And then we started writing out the family and it was like, all right, family, nothing too crazy. That was our plan too. And then we started writing out the family and it was like, all right, we're at a hundred. We're already going through that. So we're going through that same. They were like, what about this person? Oh, and then if we forget this person.

They're definitely gonna bring a plus one. But you're gonna offend somebody. You're gonna, you're always, it's, but ultimately the wedding, it's like, it's your day. Yeah, we were very, we did a good job of making it very much about us. Like we ended up having like 200 people, but it was more like every decision we made,

it's like, well, what do we want? Everyone else, I hope they enjoy themselves, but I'm not throwing a party for other people. See, that's why I keep saying that. Cause I'm like, you spent all this money. It's like, you're basically just throwing a big party for other people. Like nobody, it's not nobody,

but you see a lot of people not kind of enjoying their night because they have to talk to everybody. They gotta go, it's your wedding night. You wanna be able to just let loose and have fun. I definitely recommend, I mean, we did like a welcome party beforehand. And that way you like greet everyone. You get the like, hey, hello, congrats, thank you,

out of the way. And then like day of wedding, you cannot have to do that. So you did it on a separate day. Yeah. So we did it the day before. So Friday night, we had like a country chic bull riding. Like, oh, wow. It was like the night before the party, you know, she, you know, you have a

bunch of family that comes in and they want to like, Oh, I want to catch up. And then I was, and I had friends coming in. It was like the night of the NFL draft. And I was like, well, why don't you like, you'll go there. And then I was like, I'll go there. I'm like, no, like we're not leaving each other's side all weekend. So like what, you know, we'll just figure out, but I am not worried about disappointing anyone.

Like they can do what they want if people want to come to us, but like, what are we doing together this weekend? Uh, and I was really glad that we ended up doing that. That's good. Yeah, you hear these stories, it's like couples get separated. Totally, we're even like the bachelor, the bachelor party, the bachelor,

I'm like I don't even want a bachelor party. I can care less about going, like you know how many bachelor parties are in my head? Nellie made me, Nellie was pregnant, right? So she didn't have one. Nellie, we were home. Did you want one? You know, I think I did.

I definitely feel, I mean, I had to choose, you know, it was like, do I want the bridal shower or the baby shower? Do I want the bachelorette or, you know, it was a lot of like, and I put the baby, all the baby stuff beforehand, cause it's like, you know, that felt more foreign to me. But I was like, I don't wanna give a fuck. We were home in Wisconsin for Christmas

and my buddies were like, we should have a bachelor party. And now he was like, for you, wanna give a fuck. We were home in Wisconsin for Christmas and my buddies were like, do we should have a bachelor party? And now he was like, for you? You need to go on one. So we're like, fuck it, we went to Vegas. And we mostly just gambled, but then we were like, well, I guess we're here, let's go to a nightclub. And have you ever seen the movie Hall Pass? Hall Pass, yeah, why have I seen that?

It's like a bunch of 40-year-old men, their wives give them a Hall Pass and they go to Applebee's thinking they're all cool. It felt like that. Like obviously we were exercising hall passes, but we went to like Encore and we had a table and it was like, you know how you go to a Vegas nightclub and the guys were like, you get a bottle

and they're like, you want us to bring up girls? And we're like, no. No girls, please. And so like we're just like a bunch of like 40 something old guys just standing there being like, all right, well, do you wanna get the fuck out of here? It was really pathetic and sad, but yeah. I get it.

I kinda know how that is. I mean, for me, luckily, cause I DJ, so when every time I go to a club, I have to have something to do. You will not catch me at a nightclub doing exactly what you just said. Go in there, stand in there with a bottle. I've done that way too many times in my life

that at this phase, it is nice to be up there doing something like playing music and DJing. For me, I've been in music a long time and that's a lot of fun. Because you're getting your orchestrating and now you're playing songs and you're actually doing something and that's fun. And then you can have your boys up in the booth with you.

Yeah, yeah. Well, these are doing something. I was just standing there being like, like people come up, I'm like, get away. I'm engaged. Don't talk to me. I think that's good. I think that that's like, you know, as far as the bachelor and the bachelor,

like Tia doesn't, she doesn't care about that stuff either. Like, go have a party or do something, but just. It was cool to be with my friends and like connect, but like all those. You don't need to do it there. You can do that anywhere. It's almost better that you do it somewhere. It was more, my friends, they were all married in Wisconsin.

They wanted to kind of get out and have some fun and use me as an excuse. You're on this season of Special Forces. I am, yep. What made you want to do it? I didn't want to do it. That's like, I literally, I would say that the reason why that I did it

was probably because my initial reaction of doing it was like, I don't want to do that. You know, I was like, that looks intense. That looks hard. That looks very challenging mentally and physically. I'm like, I don't necessarily want to do that. Then I sort of like, that was my initial reaction was like, I don't really want to do it. Then they're asking, was there a price or whatever it is? I just was like, maybe. I was thinking like, I slept on it. I'm like,, what I do this like, I really had to think about I thought about my grandparents, both my grandparents were in the military

and we're in the one of them was a ranger and the other one was an engineer in World War Two. So like I come from a lineage of military and so I was thinking about that the more time I just had to sit there and sort of take it in and think about it. It's kind of like, you know what, because I don't want to do this, it's probably a good idea for me to do it. Because I think that any time you're afraid of doing something or whatever, it just helps makes you stronger if you go through that experience. And so I was a little afraid of it, but then I was like, maybe I should do this.

I thought about it. And ultimately, I just was like, you know what? I talked to my brother. My fiance wanted me to do it. My mom did not. My mom was like, you know what? I talked to my brother, my fiance wanted me to do it. My mom did not. My mom was like, no, honey, don't put yourself through that, honey. Do not do that.

Of course. But everybody else- Were you familiar with the show beforehand? I had, you know what? I was a little familiar. I didn't watch a lot. I saw the bits and pieces of the first one and then a little bits.

I didn't, I wasn't like, I didn't watch it all the way through. But I did once I decided to do it. And then I watched it all. And I watched this superstar over here, make it to the end. And it was really inspiring. I mean, the things that I knew, what was interesting for me too, is like the things that I knew about Nick and your sort of experience. And I always liked you and I liked who you were on television. I always thought you were really a stand-up guy. And I was like to you. But when I saw you on that, I was like, oh wow, like I really like him now. Like there's something about that show where you get to see a

side of somebody and you either really don't like that person or you're like, wow, that person went through that and they kept that sort of attitude and they, you know, and they're willing to go through this and that. And when there's no, you don't get anything at the end. It's not like you win a million dollars, you win nothing. Self-respect. Yeah, self-respect if you make it. But yeah, it was crazy.

Well, you're kicking ass. I know we're still like what, halfway through fairly early in the season. I think you're gonna do very well. I mean, physically you seem in shape, but more, but it's really not, yes, the physical aspect matters and that helps, but especially towards the end, the final stage,

I don't know how far you go, so I didn't know if you experienced that, but when Denise Richards called me up and asking about it, and I meant what I said to her, I'm like, Denise, because she wanted to do well, I'm like, if you wanna finish this shit, you can, because it's just mental. You just have to not quit.

It's just about quitting or not quitting. They're gonna try to get in your head. They're gonna fuck with you. You're gonna get hurt. But like, you know, short of you being medically discharged. And actually I thought Denise crushed it. I mean, to find out she tore her breast implants after jumping from the helicopter and she stayed in it.

I can't. But like, it really is this mental aspect. And it's, you know, again, we come from different backgrounds. Hannah Brown won the first one. Me and Tyler finished the second one. And I really think there's something about being in reality TV world and the fucking mental gymnastics that like, I think in different ways we've had to deal with being in reality TV world and the fucking mental gymnastics

that I think in different ways we've had to deal with that I really, you know, you clearly have had to deal with adversity. You've clearly had to show resilience throughout your life to go through all the crazy shit you've gone through and still be, like you said, seemingly a down to earth guy. It requires certain qualities.

And I think those are the types of qualities that get you through a show like that. So I'm betting that you're gonna do pretty well. Only time will tell, we'll see. Do you feel like it was like physically or mentally, like what was harder for you? Ooh, the physical or the mental. I think they were, I mean, they were both equally as hard. I think, I think the

mental, the mental is really, it's, it's brutal. You have to question your existence on why you're, you know, like you have to, you have so much time to sit and think and to think. And it's very fast moving, but you have so much time to just think like, why, why am I doing this? Like, what is the purpose of this? And ultimately you have to want to be there. You know, you have to really, I mean, and these guys are watching you 24 seven, like, and they tell you right in the beginning, I want to see. And like, he says kind of what you were saying.

I want to see 110% every single day. I don't care what that looks like for any one of you, which is what, you know, they don't care, but if they're, they're going to want to see 110%. And like you said, if you continuously, day in, day out, regardless if you fail or you win the challenges, doesn't matter, if you are giving them 110%, you will go far on the show.

It's just about getting back up. Yeah, you will go, and how do you deal with, you know, losing? Are you one of those people when you lose, are you like, God, I'm just pissed off, or are you like, damn, I know what I did. I messed up, I gotta fix that. You know, you have to be always thinking like, well, why did I mess, you know,

not sitting there dwelling in it. And I think that, you know, it's all a test. It's all of those little things. These guys are behind the scenes watching, just going like, well, how does he deal with this? How does he deal with that? You know? Yeah, I mean, so much about the show,

you see people like you doing the physical, like jumping down a cliff or whatever the fuck, but it's really in between those challenges. That really is the tough part. Absolutely. Just getting through. Well, they didn't even show on the raft, you know, and they're where you did that.

Like already I'm watching the show and you told me before it even aired, you're like, you're gonna be tripping because it's just, there's so much that they don't show. And that's so true. Cause already I'm watching, I'm like, come on. Yeah, how was that raft thing? Cause it made it seem like you guys wrote for the show.

This raft, okay, this freaking raft thing, you guys did not, oh yeah, you guys did. Yeah, you guys did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we did too, but they didn't show it. They didn't show that? No. Oh, fuck that. So that's what I'm saying.

So I saw yours and that looked really tough. You guys had a carry a super long distance and you had streams you could work with and different things, right? Like, no, ours was, we had, so what they showed was one kind of lap. You filled up the raft, you got out, you paddled around this, you brought it back.

No, we had three laps of that going around, then making it to the beach. Then you had to carry the boat in soft sand up around this, you know, far up around the soft sand, carry it around back into the water, back to the, so it was rowing soft sand right, yeah. It was exhausting. And you, when you watch it, you're like,

one time you're gonna show it to the guys. Like that was, that does not look hard at all. And it was so grueling. It was physically. I feel like they could put a time code on the bottom, like a running time clock of like hour and 27 minutes. It only benefits the show. Totally.

To show just how fucking grueling they make it for y'all. Totally. And like closeups of our fate. Because even in the Buds training stuff, like the stuff where they had us in the show. Oh, that was brutal. I mean, they barely show how much. I mean, but if like, at one point,

if they would have showed me close up, like I look like I'm about to have a heart attack. I'm like, oh! I thought ours was brutal. I told Natalie watching him like, I hate to say it, but like there's might look a little harder than what we had to go to it. It was, it was, it was brutal. It was, it was gnarly. It was, it's like I said, man, it was one of those things. Like, I don't know if I would do it again. Like, look, there's a lot of the stuff on the show that was a lot of fun.

Like, enjoy, you know, enjoy jumping from a moving boat to a helicopter, like, come on, like, set it. Where are you gonna sign me up? All these things, like, there was a lot of fun to be had, but all the stuff that you don't see, like, in between all that, I mean, it is 24 hours a day. You are constantly being punished, but, you know, I mean, it is nonstop,

and you can't really cover that. that that's the part that I'm like mentally I don't know if I do that again physically the couple of things like those that was fun that was fun like some of the things coming up you know that you guys are gonna see on the show like I would not want to do again crazy cam interesting guy did he ever get on your nerves a little bit? You know what? The boy talks a lot. I was in the zone.

Like I honestly, like I was, I had one goal in mind when I was there was just make it, you know, just, just, I was so locked in. I wanted to be there. Like I've really wanted to be there once I was there, you know, once I made that commitment, I'm like, I'm doing this. I'm one of those people where I'm competitive., you know, once I made that commitment, I'm like, I'm doing this. I'm one of those people where I'm competitive.

I'm like, if I'm doing this, I'm going all in. What was your biggest motivator to finish me? It was like, I had found out Nellie was pregnant. Like we had just found out so much that it was like, nervous to tell people you never know. And I just, for me, it was like the idea that my kid, I didn't know we were having a girl at that point could watch this, you know, and memorial I just, for me, it was like the idea that my kid, I didn't know we were having a girl at that point, could watch this, you know, and memorialize that, you know?

And just, I know Natalie first, she wanted me to go along because she thought I'd look hot. So I was like, I can't look like a pussy, you know? I love it. So like, honestly, like- You did look hot. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know what you gotta go through.

I'm sure I made my wife proud, and my kids, our future kids kids was a huge motivator for me and wanting to have a chance to show them that. Was that similar for you or what else was motivating you? You mean you nailed it on the head? It was honey for sure. I had just had honey. Honey was still a baby and that was a huge motivator.

I think honey, one day she'll be able to watch this and see, oh, look, my dad did this, was a huge motivator. I think Honey, you know, that one day she'll be able to watch this and see, oh, like my dad did this, was a huge motivator. My fiance, who's an incredible athlete as well, like she really wanted me to do it. So obviously I'm wanting to make her proud, my brother, my dad, you know, even my grandparents who are passed away.

It just, I would say mostly it was family and the people that I love and I admire and I look up to the people that I love. I admire and I look up to the people that I love. I just wanted them to see me do something that was difficult and hard and able to just sort of show who, show what I'm, and I didn't even know to be honest, I didn't know what I was going to go through. I had no idea, but my number one driving force was to make my family proud.

And yeah, I'm like my daughter, everybody. It was for sure. that was my number one. That's cool. Yeah. You mentioned on a recent episode that, you know, your dad recently reached out and kind of apologized for just, you know, not being there for you. What was that conversation like?

And was that a shocker? It was long overdue, I'll tell you that. I mean, I had like already forgiven, I'll tell you that. I mean, I had like already forgiven, I feel like Caitlin at the time for all this stuff, but would never had gotten a sort of real sincere apology, you know, just like it was, we've had our, you know, our differences in the past and it's been so long and I'm 41 years old, I have a family, like I'm over it.

I don't need that relationship that I once felt like I really needed. There was a time in my life where I really feel like I needed this relationship with Bruce at the time. And I was like, I really wanna have this. I want this relationship. And unfortunately enough time had passed and enough time and I was like, you know what?

Well, let's move on. Let's move on from this. I feel like I'm similar, Like my dad wasn't really around and I definitely like craved that relationship with him. And I mean, haven't gotten that apology yet, but I feel like I've gotten to the point now where I'm like, I accept this man for who he is. He's not, he doesn't have a dad bone in his body,

but like, I just respect this man to be this man. And like, I don't expect any sort of fatherness from him. And I'm sure that felt good for you too. Yeah, yeah. Like just letting go of the expectation. Exactly, to stop being like, oh, he'll call me on my birthday and be like. Letting go of that.

It helps a lot. You're kind of like, well, and my brother actually is the one that told me to do that. My oldest brother, he was our brand. And he was like, he's like, you have to lower your expectations. And I was like, kind of makes sense. It's a hard pill to swallow. It is a hard pill to swallow. Brandon said, he's like, you have to lower your expectations. And I was like, kind of makes sense. It's a hard pill to swallow. It is a hard pill to swallow. Brandon is like, you just have to lower it. And once I did that, I was like, you know, wow, that actually did.

Yeah, sometimes you just have to think they're doing the best they can. Not that it's an excuse. Right. But it's, yeah, I think sometimes when we have expectations of our parents or we compare to other people, it's, I think those expectations get mirrored in terms of make us feel like, I'm sure as a kid, you wondered like, what the fuck did I do wrong? You know, like what, why not me? Right. You know?

Uh, and it really probably has nothing to do with that. Not even probably. Right. It did. Yeah. And that's, you know, as I got older, I sort of just understood that. And then when, you know, the Caitlin thing, I mean, my mom was the one who told me before Bruce had reached out and said, Hey, you know, wanted to have the talk and all this stuff. And when that all happened, it was kind of weird because we were

like filming on the Kardashians and it just felt very much didn't feel very genuine. You know, it was like, Hey, okay, get the cameras rolling. All right. Okay, Brody, sit down. And then it was like, Hey, let's talk about how I wasn't there for you as a kid. Are you guys rolling? You guys got this? To me, that's not, I'm like, okay. Yeah. And I'd sit through the scene and do it. Okay, cool. And then I just like, but there was no, just wasn't there.

And I think that, you know, recently it was about, I don't know, maybe a year ago or something we were playing golf and like, I remember just out of nowhere, like stopped the car and stopped the car and was like, Hey, I just, you know, I want to, I wanted to talk to you for a second. I'm like, okay, what just, you know, I wanted, I wanted to talk to you for a second. I'm like, okay, this is all bad, you know? And then she was like, I just wanted to really apologize for to you like sincerely about all the years that no, I didn't like, I really, I fucked up. I really fucked up.

That's what she said. And like said it in a way. And I was like, you could tell that she really felt that it really meant that. And she tried to explain herself. A little bit, you know, she did. Yeah, a little bit. She just, you know, talked about the kind of the struggles that she was going through at the time as Bruce. And you know what?

And I understood and I, you know, nobody's perfect. And at the end of the day, you have to forgive. You have to be able to move forward. If you sit there and you just think negative thoughts, I swear it only does a disservice to yourself. The ability to be able to forgive and move forward, it's so therapeutic. It really helps you out more than anything. I was like, once you forgive and you move on, you're like, wow, I feel great. But if you hold that resentment and you carry that, it ends up just going into other parts of your life.

And it's just, it's counterproductive. Yeah, 100%. You know, it's like, you know. No, I know, yeah. But I will say that, you know, I wonder if your dad, I don't know if he'll ever do that, but it does help when it's that sincere sort of look. Like I'm not perfect.

Like I've made mistakes. I've done all those things and I apologize. It's just to hear that and to feel that, it does, feels good. Yeah, because at this point in my life, I'm like, I don't need it, you know? Like I'm good, I accept him for who he is. But then, yeah, there's like a part of me that hopes that he'll recognize like the absence

that he has played in my life. Absolutely. And feel bad for him. In the wedding, her wedding. Yeah, and just know that. I do think, yeah, at our wedding. Our wedding was a nice moment where, I don't know if, I hope I'm wrong.

I don't know if she'll ever get where, I don't know if, I hope I'm wrong, I don't know if she'll ever get that because I don't know how aware he is about his shortcomings. But he was able to open up about his love for her in a way that I don't think she's heard much of. And I think that was a special moment. Absolutely.

At our wedding, so, yeah. Yeah, I think that healed the inner child as much as it possibly could have, just hearing him say anything. You know, it was like, I don't think he had any plans to say anything at my wedding, and I was like, you have to say something, like you're my dad, you have to speak.

And then put it on the spot like that. Sometimes he kind of, but some things came out, they're like, oh wow, that's good to hear, yeah. How are things with your stepsisters, things like that? Do you even get, is that a frustrating question? Cause people have so many different expectations of what they think your relationship should be. I mean, not really.

No, I mean, look, I love them all, love them all to death. Like, you know, I just don't see them. Like, you know, Kim's busy, Courtney's busy. I got to see them recently for Caitlin's birthday. We went over to Kylie's house. Kylie, unfortunately wasn't there. She was traveling back from New York, but I just, they're all busy, man. You know, everybody's busy. They're doing their thing. You know, we didn't grow up in the same household, so it's not like it's any different. You know, it's like, I don't

get to see them. But when we do see each other, it's like no time has passed, you know. In adulthood, do you feel like, along with your dad, like the past kind of just gets left behind? Do you guys, because as adults can just continue, whether you get together a few times a year or not, just focus on being family and let the shit, whatever happened in the past, just kind of not even dwell on it? I have number one priority in life and that's my family. My own family.

And that's what I'm going to devote 100% of my time is to my family. And it, you know, it requires a lot of time and focus and energy and my household. So ultimately, yeah, like worrying about that things you can't control. I just, you know, if we do get to see each other once a year, great.

If we can't do it this year, you know, it is what it is. They got their kids, we have, you know, everybody's, everybody's busy, but we all love each other. And we all have been a tremendous amount of love for each other. And even Kendall and Kylie, and those are my little sisters. I rarely get to see them.

It's not their fault. You know, it's not my fault. It's not really anybody's fault. It's just, yeah, they don't live that far, but we lived in two different households growing up. We are close. We're really close, but we're not like call each other every day type of clothes.

But if, if, if Kylie or Kendall call me right now, I would walk out of this room and pick up the phone and I'd be there for them. I would leave this. I mean, I have 10 siblings and they're all my full siblings, but it's the same. I mean, the ones who are 15, 20 years younger than me, I think we all wish we'd talk more,

but sadly some of them I talk to a handful of times a year. Totally. It's like sometimes as the older brother, I feel like I should maybe follow up with them, but like, yeah, it's the same thing. And it was almost like they grew up in a different household. I mean, I had three siblings born after I left the house. Right after you were gone. Yeah, that's crazy.

So, yeah, it's crazy. Since having Honey, is there a part of you? I mean, I don't know what Tia's family is like, or how old are Brandon's kids? Brandon's kids are, he's got twin boy. He just had another baby a little while ago. So he has a, I think she must be three or four months old now. He's got a newborn baby girl, Joan,

and then he's got two boys that are four. I want to say twin boys that are around four. His daughter is Eva and she's seven or eight. Yeah. So, I mean, we're out here. We have no family out here. Um, I mean, he's got a brother in San Diego with a daughter, but there's a part of me like being from the South. I, you know, have families always together, cousins, grandparents, all that stuff. Is there a part of you that wants honey to grow up with like all of her cousins and to be around all those kids? Absolutely. I think that, you know, Tia's sister actually just had a baby this morning.

So she just had her second child. So her sister had her child only a couple months before Tia. So she's got her sister. Her sister just had a boy, I don't know, he's about a year and a half around Honey's age. And then she just had another boy last night. So Tia's with them right now. And yeah, I mean Brandon has all these kids, you know We're very close with Brandon and them and so there's nothing better than siblings and cousins. Absolutely I love that because we're from the south as well. So Memphis, Tennessee Let's go. Come on now. Cowboy. Okay, okay. Elvis Presley, let's go baby. Graceland Local.

Graceland Local. No, but so no, but my mom's side, her whole family's from Memphis, Tennessee. And then, so yeah, I come from, I've spent a lot of time in the South growing up and it's great. It's the Southern values is my mom's, you know, that's, she gets around her, you know, her family all of a sudden,

y'all need it, y'all. I'm like, where did this come from, mom? Is it that, really? I was saying the getting. Y'all, it's just all of a sudden, it's like pigeon in Hawaii. Yeah, y'all, y'all, y'all. Pop into the pigeon, you're like,

whoa, where'd that come from? I turned into a hillbilly. Yeah, it was a lot of dating and y'all. I love that though. I love the Southern. So yeah, she's gonna, you know, family's very lot of Dady and y'all. I love that though. I love the Southern. So yeah, she's gonna, you know, family is very important to us for sure. We want her to get around as much family as possible.

Yeah, and just try to facilitate the best life for her in any way we can. It's great though, having a kid though. I think you just said, like, if it doesn't show up at my front door, like I don't give a fuck. You know what I'm saying? I really just care about her, my daughter. I mean, I care about obviously my immediate family, but once you

have a family of your own, it's really just every decision you make is centered around that. And it really just makes life, it puts things in focus in ways that like you just never thought you would. I mean, you think about the shit I would dwell on or waste my energy on, or just like, think about, you know, you care less about yourself. It just makes life happier and easier. And it's a real blessing. It's just like, I'm just in awe. Every time I look at Honey, I'm just like, I love her so much. Like that feeling where you just want to squeeze her. She does something. We look at each other, we laugh.

It's just right. And there's nothing, the only thing you care about is how do I make that person the most happy person on this planet, no matter what it is like. And that's why we talk about in the relationship and making sure you fight for your relationship. And Tia and I both are on that side of it. We really love each other.

We love our family. We love, yes, we fight just like anybody else. Every couple, like I said, keeps it interesting. It's good to have your dis, you need to, you can't just be smooth sailing all the time. I don't think you can. Somebody has a smooth sailing relationship, something's off.

You gotta have a little bit of, you know, there needs to be a little something. There's gonna be some friction in order to reconnect. It makes the makeup better. How do y'all reconnect after? Like what's kind of y'all's go- a little something. There's gonna be some friction in order to reconnect. It makes the makeup better. How do y'all reconnect after? Like what's kind of y'all's go-to way of fixing things? I feel like I'm definitely one of those people that always wants to fix it right now.

Like I'm like, let's just, I'm like, let's fix this. Like we need to talk and she's like, don't talk. Yeah. Like leave me alone right now. I'm like, no, please just let me talk. So then I'll have to go make myself busy. I'll do something, give her some time, time, time, keep, try it again.

Should I apologize again? I'm gonna go back in and try it again. If I'm still sensing, leave again. I just, I slowly just have to keep, just you gain little bits of progress each time until finally, then she'll be like, okay, you do the apologizing and you work your way back. Okay, this is what I learned.

Okay, I'll do this differently. I'm like, but do you need the apologizing and you work your way back. Okay, this is what I learned. Okay, I'll do this differently. I'm like, but do you need to apologize for anything? Because I'm always... Yeah. Is there anything you'd like to apologize? Well, she's probably never wrong. So I can't imagine. No, of course, never, never.

She would need to apologize. She's never wrong. I can relate to that. Yeah. She's always right. So after Special Forces, I know you're DJing. You have, that's going great for you. What do you think is next for you?

Do you think Public Eye, you'll ever pop back in or do you think you'll just kind of keep doing what you're doing? You know, I wasn't gonna go back to the reality television like after my last kind of stint of it. T and I dabbled in the YouTube space a little bit of a sort of kind of just like reality type of show that we have control of. You know, like we can, you know, we can hire somebody to edit it, but like we are

controlled it. Something like that. I would gravitate towards a little more than, than something like another competition show or whatever it is, or even just a reality show in general. I think that the Hills and the time that I was on reality television back then, it's just a different time. You have changed, reality shows have changed a lot. I feel like you were kind of, that's old school still, that's OG. You were in it when it was, it's changed a lot since when you were on it, when I was on it.

It's changed. And now you essentially have your own reality TV show channel and YouTube and all these different things. You don't necessarily need to. I think that for me and for my future, I just, I'm really enjoying the music, the family, music, my stepdad was David Foster. Growing up, music has been a huge part of my life.

Something that's never been shown in reality television shows because all the shows that I was on were like these relationship type of shows. So they never followed my musical journey because I was in bands, played the drums and all that stuff. And then the DJ stuff I picked up about 12 years ago. And I just, you know, I love music. I love, but it's tough for me now at 41 to just continue the club circuit. You know, like being in nightclubs and doing the open, because I learned open format. And so I played on Vegas shows, top 40, all that stuff,

but some late nights, you know? And when you're doing them consistently, every single weekend, doing those types of shows, it's tough. So right now I'm gravitating more towards producing my own stuff, putting out original music and potentially playing more type of festival shows. You know what I mean? Like more EDC breakaway. Um, there's a lot of really cool music festivals that play a lot earlier. You know, I'll be going on at like probably 4 PM in the afternoon, which, which I'm, I'm cool with, you know, and performing on a level like that as opposed to only doing sort of the late night club is I'll still going on at like probably 4 p.m. in the afternoon, which I'm cool with, you know, and performing on a level like that,

as opposed to only doing sort of the late night clubbies. I'll still do some, but it's doing them every single weekend. It just takes away from the time that you get with your family. And I think that when you have a young child, you come home and you gotta have energy. You gotta be ready to go. Like you gotta be like, you gotta be up.

You can't just, you don't have time to have a day hangover or be tired or whatever it is. Do you have any life hack things that keep you young? Are you a relatively healthy, healthy guy? I try to, yeah. You know, I've done a fair bit of drinking in my, in my days. So I haven't drank in six months or something like that.

Taking a little break from the alcohol. I think it's good to just go through cycles where you take a break. And I am definitely one of those cycles. I was like, you know what? I'm just enjoying feeling good, waking up. You know, my hangovers were terrible. So I cut out alcohol.

Who knows if I'll ever revisit it, maybe, maybe not. Right now I'm loving life without it. So that's been a lot of fun. But just, we try to stay healthy. You know, I'm fairly active. You know, I think that our lifestyle is very active. I do train a little bit. I like to keep cardio up. A lot of the things I like to do takes a lot out of you. I almost died the other day, literally surfing the other day. It's terrifying. I went out on a really big

day and I had no business being out there. I've been surfing a long time and I'm a pretty good surfer, but I went out there on a big day and I had like a very, very close call of drowning. And I was like, Oh, it was terrifying. Like it was like, I would, I've had some serious beat downs. But this was one of those situations where I was like family flash before my eyes type of, yeah, just recently I was like, you know, I made a mistake. I paddled out, didn't really look at the sets. It was really big. You know, we're talking like, like actually like 25 foot faces of them in the huge, the waves were huge. And I paddled out there and

I took off on a medium size one, not waiting for a set. I didn't really wait for a set. So as I took the medium size one, I'm going to paddle back out and I see this just huge set coming and I'm trying to make it out. I'm like, I'm not going to make it. I, you know, I was like deciding and I paddle paddle about it. I was paddling. So it was like, I was sprinting to get out to make it. And I get over the one wave and I just behind it was like just this black wall of like, it was a solid 25 foot,

I mean this thing just detonated right on top of me. And I was so out of breath because I was paddling so hard. So I was like, oh no, this is about to happen. So I took like three or four waves, just one after the next, just boom, boom. And I mean, I can't, when I was like, oh no, this is about to happen. So I took like, you know, three or four waves, just one after the next, just boom. And I mean, when I was coming up, I'd only get like a chance to get one more breath in

and then it would, I mean, I almost blacked out. Like I was like this close to blacking out and I went in right after and I was like, that was the closest I've ever come to drowning. And that just happened like two weeks ago. And then I snapped my MCL. So Hawaii is no joke. Well, her cousin has a beautiful place

on the shores of Hawaii. And he took me out surfing. Didn't seem as dangerous as yours, but he was like, don't go over there, whatever you do, it's like really shallow and there's coral reefs. And next thing you know, I'm like literally in the exact spot where he's not.

And I'm just like trying not to float. And then he said, don't go. Yeah. And I'm just like trying not to float. And I was getting my ass fucking kicked. And there was a second I was pretty scared. It wasn't quite like yours, but it beat the fuck out of me. And it was, the ocean's no joke, man. But isn't, you know, the thing like you were saying, life hacks or whatever. Like I love keeping myself excited about things or like, or learning.

You know, I do find that that helps me stay enthusiastic with life. Waking up every day and wanting to get better at something or enjoying, so like for me, it's surfing and being in Hawaii and experiencing those type of waves and knowing that I'm not really prepared for this and going, wow, I need to train harder and sort of waking up with a purpose. I think-

I was just about to say that having a purpose really keeps you young, keeps you focused. Just being a dad, being a husband, more than anything that gives you like a, if you don't know why you're waking up. Totally. Life's so much more difficult. Absolutely.

Just waking up and it could be anything. It doesn't matter what it is, but just something that you love to wake up and do. And aspire to achieve or attack or go for. Have you put Honey on a surfboard yet? We have, yeah, yeah. We've got her up there. She's not, she's kind of, she gets in the water

and then she's really into saying all done right now. So it's just, no matter what it is, it's all done, all done. All right, all done. So we've got her on there. She, yeah, she loves, she loves over there. And why she's, she's, she's electric. We'll have to get them together. Yeah, I would love that.

I would love that. What was her first word? Her first word, I wanna say Dada. I'm just gonna. Of course. No, I don't know, it probably was mama. It was probably mama. The first was dog.

Oh really, you know what, actually I think. She loves dogs. That might've been her first word. Tia would know that. Like it might've been that dog. She's just kinda like dog, dog. She said Dada and mama, but like she had no idea what she was saying.

Right, right, right. Over Thanksgiving, she looked at the dogs and goes, dog. And I was like. Yeah, that's like, yeah. And now it's like, oh, what a dog say. And she's like, woo. Oh, wait, and so how old is your daughter? She's almost a year. She's almost one,

February 2nd. Oh, it gets, it just gets, it's like, you know, honey's like a year and a half and it just gets better. What did you do for her? Cause now she's talking. We just had a nice little chill party at the house. Like we had some friends over and just celebrated at our house and just did a little something, nothing too crazy.

But it's, you know, it's just once they start to communicate and they're really, you know, that's when we're just having, it's just, it's too much for us. And especially like for us, like they seem to bond from day one. Yeah. Now it's like as the river gets older, her and I are bonding more and more. Like I'm actually somebody in her life now, you know? It's crazy, huh?

And I look forward to like that's getting better and better. And when they just look at you and then they just, ah. Yeah. I know they've only been gone for like less than 24 hours and I'm like already missing and I'm like, ah, I know. Are they in Hawaii still? No, they are. Well, cause Tia's sister had a baby. So she just, she drove down south. Her parents lived down in the ocean side.

So she went down to ocean side and she's going to visit the family. I got to do some work stuff. I'm doing this. And then I got to Vegas for, my meat is my tequila soda brand. We have a big kind of convention thing out there. So I got to go to Vegas and then I come back and we're here for another week or something. And then back to Hawaii. Obviously Kendall with 818,

is there any like dream of like collaboration with 818? We've actually, we've done some stuff with 818. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we put some stuff out together. We worked with them a year ago. Which one? The Mamiitas? The 818. The 818, yeah.

Yeah, no, she's got great distribution. I've heard tequila's great, I've tried it, it's awesome. But yeah, I mean, we're always looking to collab. We just launched in Mexico like three weeks ago, we got into all the OXXOs out there, so I think we're in like 15,000 OXXO shows. So we changed the flavor profile a little bit. It's a little more sugar, it's a little, we have a couple of different flavors.

They're really good. The ones, cause we did all the United States ones, very kind of low cow, low sugar. Everybody likes that, but in Mexico, they don't seem to care as much. We put a little more sugar because they like the taste, you know? And it's just a little, it's doing well in Mexico.

So we're excited. It's been fun. It's been, I think I'm like four years in, five years in, it's doing well in Mexico. So we're excited. It's been fun. It's been, I think I'm like four years in, five years in, but the beverage space is just, it's wild. It's- It's very competitive. It's extremely competitive.

But you know, the guys that I parted up with started Four Loco. I mean, these guys are like, yeah, there's some, these guys are, and they're just such great people. They're really good friends of mine. So it's been fun starting this thing and sort of watching other brands come in. Cause we were one of the first ones to do tequila and soda. And then a bunch of other brands kind of came in after and you just, I always just remember being like, dude, why, what do you think? You know, I was always so worried

we've got this and he's like, don't worry. Like they're going to be out here. Just watch. Do you remember a night off of a Four Loko or no? I never remember anything. Do you remember a night off of a Four Loko or no? I never remember anything off Four Loko. Percival, you're like, I'm like, no. Absolutely not. Four Loko. It's like a mind eraser just immediately. No, it's, yeah, Four Loko's no joke.

Brody, this has been so much fun, man. Yeah, this has been a lot of fun. I really appreciate your time. It's been great to continue to get to know you. Wishing you the best of luck the rest of the way on Special Forces and anything else you to plug or put out there? I mean, I think, no, just Special Forces, Wednesday, 8 p.m. And yeah, just stay healthy and happy, everybody.

Yeah, congratulations on fatherhood and everything else that's great. Thank you so much. Go ahead on your life, man, it's awesome. I appreciate that, thank you. All right, man. Come in, thank you. Well, we just wanna give a special thank you to Brody and to all you listening. We'll be back tomorrow

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