The Viall Files - E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

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and breathable to help protect sensitive skin through potty training. Learn more at Huggies.com. Once again head to Huggies.com to learn more. What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick and well, Justin released a video. We've officially reached the stage of people have cemented themselves in the position that they have, it really feels like. If you're on Justin's team,

feels like every time he releases something, it seems like his side's like, ah, smoking gun. And then you have Blake, what was the statement that Blake's team made? Her legal team slammed the, it ends with us footage and said, the video shows Mr. Baldoni repeatedly leaning in toward Miss Lively, attempting to kiss her,

kissing her forehead, rubbing his face and mouth against her neck, flicking her lip with his thumb, caressing her, telling her how good she smells, and talking with her out of character. Every moment of this was improvised by Mr. Baldoni with no discussion or consent in advance and no intimacy coordinator present. Mr. Baldoni was not only Ms. Lively's co-star, but the director, the head of studio, and Ms. Lively's boss.

The video shows Ms. Lively leaning away and repeatedly asking for the characters to just talk. Any woman who has been inappropriately touched in the workplace will recognize Ms. Lively's discomfort. It will recognize her. Lively's discomfort. It will recognize her attempts at levity to try to deflect unwanted touching. No woman should have to take defensive measures to avoid being touched by their employer

without their consent. I don't even think you need to be inappropriately touched in the workplace. I think any woman who's been in a bar and a man has like tried to dance with them or made advances, did anything that made you uncomfortable. And like, I think a lot of women struggle with like, embarrassing a man or like, standing up for themselves and being like, I don't want to be touched. So they try to be as like, polite as

possible and be like, that's why a lot of women say I have a boyfriend when most of the time they don't have a boyfriend because they don't want to give their number away. You know, like, I think people are going to read this how they want to. I read this is definitely how Blake said it. I see an uncomfortable woman who just is constantly trying to be like, I think we should talk. Let's just talk. If this part was supposed to be kissing and touching and neck smelling and whatever, then they

would have had an intimacy coordinator, because that's all intimacy. So I think Blake being like, let's just talk, let's have conversation. And I don't know, I see it how Blake says it. I'm sure people are gonna see it how Justin describes it. I get why his team released a video though. And it seems to be a continuation of their playbook

because by releasing the video, it allows people to do what they're doing which is to decide for themselves whether what they're seeing would make them uncomfortable right and so now they're watching it and a lot of people are watching it maybe through the lens of you know putting themselves imagining that they would be actors with Justin Baldoni it's just like well I don't know if I was doing a scene like I don't know what is he so bad it's like it's as if people expected to see a video, like short of them seeing a video of Justin,

like, groping Blake or, you know, throwing his tongue down her throat and having her push him off, you know, and things like that. It's gonna allow people to claim that she's overreacting or that they don't know what they are seeing. And I don't know what it's like to be in y'all's position. To reiterate what Natalie said, I'm like, it's also shocking that they don't know what they are seeing. And I don't know what it's like to be in y'all's position. To reiterate what Natalie said, I'm like, it's also shocking that people don't understand

that she's in a professional setting. So I'm like, at the end of the day, she's hired to do her job. You're not going to see her pushing him aggressively away. You're not going to see her cowering. She knows that the camera is rolling. They're having conversation and she's trying to direct it back into the way that she wants the scene to go. But again, it's another thing where it's his word versus hers,

and it's like, you don't know what the inner monologue in her mind of if she was uncomfortable, what she was thinking, how she was feeling, and that wasn't being gauged. So again, it's the, if I were in her shoes, I would have been fine, but you don't know what it was like to be in her shoes in that position. Also, it was interesting that, you know,

this man who is all about women through Jenny Slate's nose under the bus. Yeah, she was catching shrapnel. I've said multiple times that I'm team Jenny Slate and as soon as a stray got thrown at Jenny Slate, that, I mean, that just put the nail in the coffin for me. Well, I'm sorry, just not giving Allie in the sense of you're going to throw a co-worker's appearance, a woman's appearance under the bus to validate Your commentary that you extended about your nose, but who's also not even in the room

It's not my room who you hired who doesn't know that you've said this about her like all my friends I've talked to about this seem to have similar opinions than us I mean I would be interested to talk to someone who Disagrees with us and their tag what I struggle be interested to talk to someone who disagrees with us in their take. What I struggle with, and you all make obviously great points, but like, let's say we were a fly in the wall, right, and regardless of what Blake feels about Justin, that from our perspective, everything Justin did

from the scene to the phone call to her trainer, the alleged comments about his porn addictions. Let's say none of that would have offended us or made us feel uncomfortable. Let's say we were just like, I don't know, I don't see what the big deal is. What I still struggle with is the, what seems to be like really concrete evidence

of Justin's intentions to, in his team's words, destroy Blake and attack her credibility and hire this Crisis PR team and hire this team. Again, that clearly laid out their roadmap of how they plan to go about doing exactly what they're doing online. And that's the part I struggle with. It's like the retaliation part. Even if you disagree with her interpretation of everything, what seems

to be clear is his spitefulness and his willingness to invest and spend a lot of money on retaliating against Blake and to me that's the part that she is fighting the most. Back to what I said on Tuesday, it seems like Wayfair fronted the money, Wayfair made the most money. It sure seems like to me that she had the most to lose and very little to gain. You know, when this all happened in August and the internet turned against Blake, we said what we said, everyone told us we were wrong. And then we all kind of, we all moved on, you know, everyone kind of moved on, the movie came out, it was done. And then obviously this all came up

and reignited this whole thing. But it seemed like her desire, I would think, to fight this, she had to figure out what was she gonna gain from this? Because you would think bringing attention to this and causing the drama would, again, make the movie more popular, make Justin and Wayfair more money. What was she going to get out of it other than just to, you know, defend herself? And clearly

like this has cost her a ton. For the people who are just like vehemently against her in writing for Justin, how do you answer those questions? That's what I struggle with. I'm sure you'll have plenty of answers in the comments. I'm sure the trolls will have no problem arguing with me, but they don't really, they're just telling us how wrong we are. They just tell us that like, oh, we need to read the complaint. We've read all the complaints, including the Stephanie Jones one, which no one's talking about, which includes so many text messages

and conversations that like from my point of view, seem fairly damning against Justin and his team. But I don't know, people clearly are cherry picking. People have clearly decided where they stand. I don't know. People clearly are cherry picking. People have clearly decided where they stand. I don't know, so. Belladonis team is also planning to make a website now with relevant videos and correspondence to the lawsuit, which is interesting.

But like these relevant videos, like one text message that was talked about all over the internet was this text message from Blake to Justin, where she like, you know, kind of bizarrely claims that she's like this Game of Thrones fan and there's this, you know, implication that she's alleging Taylor Swift is one of her dragons and things like that. And yeah, like when you read it, it kind of like, it seems a little kooky, maybe a little weird, but everyone's just focusing on that and

deciding that like what they think of Blake is the person. And again, like, I don't know. Seems like people are losing sight of that. I do know that like going forward, if you are a woman in the workplace and you feel uncomfortable from a man in power, what is going on right now, I don't see how any woman going forward would feel comfortable speaking up because clearly there is a very clear playbook now to how to fight against that. I don't know We feel how we feel again. My my opinion is strongly based off my interactions with justin Yeah, I don't I don't know what else we got ashley and tyler from love is blind last season are officially split

It's sad because I feel like she really she wanted to believe in that relationship Yeah, and also I feel like she really was trying to like prove to the haters that like they're good. I feel like the world, the internet was against their relationship and they were constantly trying to like poke holes and it'd be like, well, he's a liar and he did this and he did that.

Obviously not being behind closed doors with them. And I feel like she really tried to like fight that and like put that on the back burner. And I mean, obviously we don't know what happened, but it is sad that they're broken up. They are awfully quiet. I do know that neither of them want to comment on it going forward,

other than the comment that Ashley made, which was pretty vague and generic. I was gonna say she did do a statement to people if we want to read it. It was like she made a difficult decision. What was it? After much reflection, I want to share that Tyler and I have been separated for several

weeks and have now made the difficult decision to end our marriage. While I had hoped for mutual understanding and transparency in our relationship, it has become clear that our paths are no longer aligned, making it impossible for me to continue in this marriage. This was not a decision I made lightly, but one I know is necessary for my own growth and peace. While this chapter is ending, I will always hold respect for the time and love we shared. I kindly ask for privacy during this deeply personal time

as I focus on healing and building a new future. Thank you for your understanding and support. Based on that, it sounds like she caught him in a lie. And it seems like whatever she was trying to protect and he's not making it any easier. In my opinion. Well, she wrote hard for him. She came on this show and she was fighting

with the entire internet and she was very adamant about believing him and trusting him. Giving him the benefit of the doubt. So it probably didn't even have to be a big lie. It just probably was just another little, who knows. Who knows? Or maybe it was a big lie. I don't know, but they are over.

Wishing them both the best. Well, speaking of another relationship that the internet has strong feelings about, Justin Bieber claims someone unfollowed his wife, Haley, on his Instagram. Why do you say someone like you don't believe them? No, it's in quotes. Do you think it was?

That's why I was just putting emphasis on the quote. It was my dialect. Do you think the same person who he's alleging unfollowed, Hailey was the same person that liked the posts from Beyonce's mom and commented that from Josh Allen's? There is one freak out there. We gotta get him. I just wanna point out that how many people

on this team have access to my Instagram? I do. One, two, Zach, I don't know, that how many people on this team have access to my Instagram? I do. One, two, Zach's, I don't know, three or four people. Yeah, but like- I put a lot of trust in you guys. I was gonna say, can we start getting messy? Also, he does, also- Just saying, it's not that crazy to think

that he has a team. I'm pretty sure someone on this team has access to him. He also has a baby, and I know that River will touch my phone, and I'm like, oh my God, how did you get, how are you DMing this person, you know, or how are you liking this photo or how are you on Google searching that, you know?

So- What are the odds that River grabs your phone and unfollows Nick though? You know, they're, they could be slim. They also could not be. She's very, she's smart. Sometimes I will say things happen and you're like, fuck. If that got out, no one would believe that,

really not like. She turned on the, what is it called on the TV? She likes buttons, she loves buttons, she's drawn, we don't give her any screen time, but she will always go for the TV. I know she turned on the TV. She turned on this, it's so annoying, she turned on, it's really fucking annoying,

because I can't figure out how to turn it off. It's like the voice command. Oh no. So every button you push, it's like Netflix and it's a computer like volume 24, volume 25, volume 26, volume 27, and then you try to turn down volume 24, volume 23, and you're like fuck. Maybe she's an auditory learner.

Maybe, but I can't figure out how to turn this thing off. She might know, I know. I'm pretty good with tech. I'm pretty good. So I think Jack did it. That's my- Jack the baby? Jack the baby.

Jack the baby. Jack the baby. Are people just getting had? I don't think Justin Bieber got in a fight with Hailey and unfollowed her out of- No, well Hailey then posted in a carousel a picture of Justin sleeping to be like, my man's still here taking a nap.

Yeah. So he was taking a nap while the story was posted? This is later, Hailey then after all of this and everyone's like, they hate each other, they're getting a divorce. I feel so bad for them. Every little thing they do. Every move.

I know. They step outside, he didn't dress up enough, they're getting a divorce, he doesn't love her. They're not holding hands. He's walking ahead of her. While he's supporting her at her event, but yes, no, he hates her. He's walking ahead of her. He didn't open the door for her. While he's supporting her at her event, but yes, no, he hates her. It's so sad.

They can't even be genuine because they must be so in their head about how the internet expects them to act. If I was them, I would literally log off and never show my face again. So proud of them. You know who I'll log off and never show their face again? Tell me who. Mark Zuckerberg.

Ooh, speaking of oligarchs. Like full on. I'm definitely over the oligarch stuff. Mark Zuckerberg, full on, was checking out Lauren Sanchez's, Jeff Bezos wife's chest during the inauguration. Do you think he thought she was hot or not? Ooh, that was a real social network situation.

That was the first app he created. Oh, hot or not? That's in the MySpace days. It was like. I was on the brink of MySpace. I want Lauren Sanchez to do Rooney Mawra's entire monologue at the beginning of the social network. Do you think Jeff called him up?

I was like, bro. Did you see the photo of him Mark with his wife and he's like on his phone and you can tell he's like, no babe, it's the angle. Like if you would zoom in, you could see my eyes are looking across her, not at her. He was like, I was running an algorithm and I was like deep in thought. How would we not learn peripherals exist for a reason?

Give it a glance look away. He was staring. I think the whole thing is a still photo. So it's hard. But he looked twice in the video. I haven't seen the video. In the video, yeah, he definitely looked twice. He double takes.

He's copying a look. This, this really is an example of how when someone is hot looking at your boobs, it's great. And when that someone is Mark Zuckerberg, no. No. No. Somebody called it eosified, and I just can't not think of it that way. Yeah, no.

He just pulled him in. He got real happy, and then he was like, just one more. Yeah. The force is strong. Crazy that his face looks that melted. Anyway, A$AP Rocky refuses plea deal, faces maximum of 24 years. As trial opens on charges,

he fired a gun at former friend. Isn't his defense that it was like not a real gun or something? That he carries a prop gun for like self defense. Yeah, that's what his attorneys are saying. And then, but it fired. So those details we don't know. Basically the judge is like, he's strong on like, we're not going to let fame protect this man. Like we need a quick speedy trial.

Oh, it's great. I mean, he was given a plea deal of six months in prison. I imagine if he was well-behaved, that would be even less. And he's like, fuck that. Let's go to court. And he's facing up to 24 years in prison. That's a big bet. That is a big fucking bet. Especially for having two kids, two small children at home, you know? I mean, I'm not saying, I'm in no position to say,

hey, just do the time. I don't know what it's like to go to prison. I can't imagine. It's fun, but again, it's a big bet. To explain the starter pistol is what he says that he has, which is a gun that's usually carried as a prop for security purposes, but it makes a loud noise instead of firing bullets

and is used for starting races, is what a starter pistol is what he's claiming he was holding. Like a blank. Oh, is there any evidence to the contrary? There is video evidence, I'm pretty positive, and I know there's still frames. I haven't seen it. So I'm like, and also I don't know how a starter pistol works in the sense of does it fire off a blank

or is it just a loud noise? Well, they clearly think that they have a strong enough case to go to trial and like put him on the stand in front of jurors. I don't think anyone would think that 24 years in prison would be a fair punishment for this alleged crime regardless. So I do think it's ironic that the judge is pointing out that Aesop is not going to get

any favoritism because of his celebrity. But it's well known that district attorneys and politicians will go after public figures to set an example to make a name for themselves. Martha Stewart. Martha Stewart. Yeah. You know, that's this happens all the time. So it's a it's a bit hypocritical given the potential length of time he would have to face. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like six months for accidentally firing a gun

would be like the max. Yeah. You know, no one got hurt. I worked on an ASAP Rocky music video as a PA one time. And I will say I gave him a water bottle. That man, beautiful, incredible teeth. So don't put it behind everything. And he would put his smile at the jurors. Was he nice? And they would be like.

Yeah, he said, I said, would you like a water? And he said, no, thank you, but thank you. And I was like, I'm lying. Not a double thank you. And I was like, oh my God, I understand you, Rihanna, in every single level. So I'm biased. Not a double thank you. And I was like, oh my God, I understand you Rihanna in every single level. So I'm biased. It does say, Rocky told a judge he respectfully declined.

So he's a gentle man. He's a gentle man. Yeah. Yeah. I, it's not the guy you guys should be going after. Yeah. I feel like there are a lot worse things happening right now. Team Aesop and Rihanna, fuck this judge.

Yeah. Also, hey, Aesap Rocky released the music video that I worked on because it was really cool and it's just still not out. Is a song out? No, anyway. Do you even know the name? Yes, but I don't wanna like say it.

I send an NDA. Out of respect. I send an NDA. Okay. They didn't pay me, but I sent an NDA. You know who we need to come after or go after? Who? Girl Scout Cookies. Oh, fuck them kids. Why are we going after the kids? So there's this story that just came out of this woman who's a manager of a team,

and one of her employees below her was selling Girl Scout cookies for his daughter. She basically asked the person, like, I have Celiac's disease, are there any cookies that don't have gluten in them? Like, I just want to make sure. He was like, no. They're Girl Scout cookies. The girl's got cookies. The girl's got cookies. She didn't buy them.

And basically he started going around behind her back and calling her stingy, comparing her to the previous boss or manager that would buy cookies. And to me, I'm just like, okay. This guy's a fucking bully. Yeah. Well, we can't say fuck them kids

because it wasn't the kids. It was the dad of the kid. Yeah, sorry. I was quoting Doja Cat. I was quoting Doja Cat and ASAP Rocky. Protect the kids. Yeah, protect the kids. Yeah, no, it seems like this woman

actually hates young female entrepreneurs. I also do think there's still a group of people who think gluten allergies are a crock of shit. And so I feel like maybe he heard like, I'm learning gluten and he was like, just stingy bitch. But also I don't wanna buy your fucking cookies. Maybe he got off a four day water cleanse and decided to not eat sugar for a while

and realizing that if he were going to buy the cookies, he would fucking eat them. Just because you have a fucking kid. And listen, if River wants to join Girl Scouts and sell Girl Scout cookies, we'll do the parental thing and go around and ask people if they wanna buy the cookies, but I'm not gonna stomp my feet and storm off

if someone says no and act like they're a monster because they don't wanna support my child. It'll be a great opportunity to teach my kid disappointment. Oh my God, I'm such a sucker for Girl Scout cookies, even if I want to. She's delicious. This guy's a terrible parent.

She also could have been like, I'll buy the cookies, but I don't want the cookies. Yeah. She doesn't have to buy the cookies though. Yeah. She doesn't have to, but I'm just like, even then, buy a box. It's not your kids. It's no one's fucking job to support your kid. I don't, good for your fucking kid.

There's a million people out there. It's not my job to support your fucking kid. She's not, the kids aren't doing this to like buy a Range Rover. The kid's not even there. No, the parent, no, this is, I'm guaranteed, this is one of those parents that goes around, this parent does their kid's science project, for sure. Because they wanna put their kids like fucking Gold Star

on their fridge and they wanna go to their friends' parties and brag about their kids because they sold the most fucking cookies. It's like, give the most fucking cookies. It's like, give me a fucking break. The F word is flying out of your mouth this morning. Because I hate parents like this. I just thought you're really passionate

about Girl Scout cookies. No, I'm passionate about parents who use their kids to like make other people feel bad because I don't wanna buy your cookies. Do you buy them outside of the grocery store? I've bought plenty of Girl Scout cookies because I love Girl Scout cookies and I'm happy to support,

but it's not my job or responsibility to do that. Like people are acting like, like we're donating to like a tragedy. Like. If it was 2009, this would be made into a movie with Melissa McCarthy and Vince Vaughn. And it would make $10 million.

They already made that movie. Did they? About Girl Scout Cookies? Melissa McCarthy, about Girl Scout Cookies, yeah. What? What's the movie? See, I'm so smart. The Boss or something, and it's like competing Girl Scout groups that have to sell more cookies.

Oh yes! Do you not know this? And they have a full fight scene. I think maybe subconsciously I did, but I think I'm just maybe an incredible casting director and have a visionary, visionary idea. That's what I'm saying. And does she play a bossy troop leader?

She turns the Girl Scout group that's like unpopular into like a multi-million dollar company. So I mean, yeah, I mean, they also did troop Beverly Hills. Five stars out of 10 on IMDB. So, okay. Well, going back to Nick and I's conversation. Sorry for my F words. IMDB scores. I don't care. Clearly you can't listen to this with your kids in the car. IMDB scores, I don't care. Clearly you can't listen to this with your kids in the car. I did ask a Girl Scout once, I went up to her table and they're expensive first of all.

So I was like, if I'm gonna pay $7 for a box now when it used to be $4, I'm gonna ask you about the cookie. So I was like, is this the original formula of the lemonade cookies? Justin, she was born six years ago. Why would you do that? She gave me a speech of nonsense. You asked the kid this? Yes I did. Okay, ago. You monster. Why would you do that? She gave me a speech of nonsense. You asked the kid this?

Yes, I did. Okay, you're a monster. The kid's like, I was. You asked if this is the original. I was being nice and I also wanted to know if all the icing was still on the cookie. To be clear, my opinion is strictly based on the fact that this is an adult, a conversation between two adults

and that kid wasn't present and this is an adult who showed up to work and demanded all of his coworkers buy his kids' cookies. I think this is the funniest beef. Well, what if like the kid couldn't, what if no one was buying the kids' cookies and the dad was like, you know what, honey, like I'll take them to work. And there's a bunch of people there

and they're gonna support you, honey. It's all right, don't worry. Like we'll get you the whatever you get when you sell your cookies. And then that's what happens. Then he should have bought them himself. He was just trying to help his kid out. Sure, great.

No, help your kid out. But when one person, whether they have celiac disease or they just don't want a cookie, like times are tight. He was talking shit about her. What? He was talking shit about her. Yeah, you don't get to go around

and like start talking shit just because they don't want to buy your kid's cookie. Ask another person. Girl Scouts of America are not lacking in any funds. They have a partnership with Native Deodorant. Go hang out outside of the vending machine and wait for the person who like, whose cookie gets caught in the vending machine.

They lose their fucking mind. They start shaking it. Go sell to that person. Lay off the person who doesn't wanna eat your cookies. This man should be teaching his daughter how to scheme. I'm strictly off sugar if you guys can't tell. To getting people to buy their cookies. To answer your question, Natalie, she gave me a long speech on nonsense,

but then I bought two boxes. I was like, good for you girl. Good for her. You made her work for it, Jen. So you were testing her. As a former Boy Scout, I was like, I know the hustle. And I was like, good for you, girl. Good for her. You made her work for it, Jen. So you were testing her. As a former Boy Scout, I was like, I know the hustle. And I was like, can we just hear? Because inflation has made these cookies expensive.

And she got more money out of it. Your intentions were pure. Yes, they were. Yeah. Okay, well, some un-pure intentions. Andy Cohen wants Lisa Vanderpump to return for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season 15. It makes sense, but keep her off. From a TV standpoint, I hate that I agree with it.

I don't think she deserves any more TV time. I think Kyle would literally implode. She would have an aneurysm on camera. And for that reason alone, I'm kind of into it. I feel like this whole episode could have been avoided. Maybe it's just every housewife fight, but all it takes is, listen, I'm sorry. My intentions weren't to hurt you. My intentions weren't to be disrespectful or go behind your back, but I do understand

how it can come that way, Dorit. But Kyle just can't do that. She just can't just acknowledge that like, Dorit has every right to be upset, regardless of what Kyle meant or what actually was texted. Like, she's supposed to be your friend. Like, they're going through a divorce. You've admitted it would bother you. I know, what am I missing?

I think also Kyle being like, you know, telling, I don't know if it was Beaux or more of the woman, but she was like, she's always been fine with me texting him and like now all of a sudden she's not. And it's like, well, yeah, now all of a sudden they're separated. So like, of course she would not be okay with you continuing to talk to him.

Big difference. Yeah. Big difference. Kyle also like notoriously never apologizes and she's so used to having like a girl gang behind her that's like, don't talk about Kyle, don't say this, da da da. And it's like you're kind of seeing the lone wolf in Erica still standing by Kyle where it's like, if she read that message about your ex-husband,

would you not want to know what you haven't shared or what you will always keep secret? Because that's weird verbiage. And Erica's only motive is because like, obviously she went through what she went through and she was pretty wrong, especially when it came to the earrings and she never wanted to acknowledge that.

So her whole motive is because she didn't want to acknowledge her wrongdoing. And that's the only reason why she seemingly is backing Kyle is to protect herself. It's self-serving. I respect her though. What are you with? Well, because she's like,

and in saying it, she's like, I don't want someone to be like ganged up on, on like a group of women when it's like, I was in that position as well. I definitely think it was wrong of Bo's to be like, read the text, because it's not for Bo, like she needs to be like, you need to go read the text to DeRee.

Kyle should not have opened up the phone at Chuck E. Cheese. She should have immediately, if she was ever gonna read this text, it should have been with a sit down with her and DeRee and she should have read DeRee's text. For Bo's to be like, why don't you read me the text? It's like, well, Bo's like, yeah. Kyle showed up at her house post-surgery to try to manipulate Boze into believing her.

Kyle's the one who inserted Boze. That was definitely a producer thing. That was not Kyle being like, I want to go right after her surgery. It's all, I mean, either way, either way. Fine, forget about post-surgery. Kyle went to Boze to try to get Boze on her side and she's the one who brought Boz into the drama. And Boz isn't buying Kyle's bullshit. And so, yeah, is it a little messy

for Boz to say show me the text? But again, Kyle is adamantly trying to convince these women that she's not wrong and to take her side and they're not buying it. So they're like, well, fine, prove it to us. If you want us to back you up and believe you, you have to show us, you know? So I don't know, I don't have wrong with it.

And I feel like Beau said something just about just working in the workplace and whatnot, where it's like this type of reaction, not only is it giving guilty, but it's also like, just be able to stand still and have a conversation about it. The bigger the reaction, the more you seem guilty because it's like you're trying to deflect from what's being said when it's as simple, I don't think what I said was wrong. But instead it's like, let bigger the reaction, the more you seem guilty because it's like you're trying to deflect from what's being said when it's as simple.

I don't think what I said was wrong. But instead it's like, let's blow up, let's make a whole thing so we don't have to continue this conversation anymore. And it's just like, I don't know, it's just the deflection for me where I'm like exactly what you said. This could have been solely handled with a singular conversation between two people and instead you're reading text messages and pizza party. Wasn't my attention.

I'm really sorry. I got your back going forward, that was wrong of me. If it were me, I'd be upset, so I totally get it. End of conversation. That's literally all that has to be said. She did blame production too, which was interesting. That was interesting. She said it was because of all of this

and it's like, then why wouldn't you say it? Every single one of those housewives were like, nope, I have sent text messages being like, I can't say what you said on camera or I won't do this in front of production. And it's like, for you to leave that little bit out in your message to PK, it's suspect. Regardless of our success,

do you think we'll ever buy our kids a luxury car? Only if our daughter's name was Mercedes or Range Rover. Range Rover would be a beautiful name for a baby girl. I mean, like they had to get her a Porsche when he was Porsche. They had to? Yeah. Couldn't she have just gotten a job? I hate that it makes so much sense.

It makes so much sense. Yeah. And they're, I mean like- I mean, yeah, they're filthy rich. They're loaded. Like let them get the kid a Porsche. But what if your daughter's name was Nissan Altima? Then what do you do?

I feel like you gotta get the Zeltima. Civic. Honestly, have y'all seen that trend where it's like, if these weren't names of like things, they would be such pretty names and it's like. Kia Soul. Gonorrhea. My mom works in schools and you'd be shocked that a lot of kids are named after like STDs. Wow.

Really? Because their parents don't know and like they sound pretty outside of the context of what they are. Some of them. Chlamydia has a ring to it. Chlamydia? Chlamydia has a ring to it. Chlamydia is kind of pretty. Chlamydia, Cami, right? Yeah. Gani?

Really? I do think like I remember a story of a kid named, it was Gonorrhea but her name was like Gonorrhea or something like that. It's pronounced always more like elegant. Are we done with Bobbily Hills? I think so. Is there something else we have missed out?

Oh, Jennifer Tilly says memes instead of memes. And I just think we need to come into that. I feel like we're not shocked by that. No, she's, well, as Sutton said, she's Canadian. Is she? I don't know. And she owns an American icon TV show. Good for her.

Up next, we have the legendary Mayim Bialik with us. You know her from Blossom and Big Bang Theory, and she is going to break down some of the Bachelor bios. And then after that, we have a couple of the DSs from Special Forces. Billy and Rudy are with us. I'd love to get their take on some of the women on the upcoming season of The Bachelor, which premieres Monday? Next Monday?

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promo code V-I-A-L-L, that's nutrifol.com, promo code V-I-A-L-L. Maya, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. So excited to have you. Thank you. I've been a fan of yours for a long time. Oh, that's very sweet. Yeah, I'm old enough to know Blossom.

I did not think you were old enough, but. Yeah, I'm 44. Okay. Yeah, so you were like a huge star in my household growing up. Well, thank you. I guess just to start there, I mean, you've had obviously such an illustrious career

in Hollywood, what has that been like? I'm always kind of fascinated with people who their whole lives has been kind of in and out of this kind of crazy world. Yeah, nothing that happened was something I predicted. You know, I don't have the typical like child actor trajectory of like starting in commercials when you're three because you're so cute and everyone wants to look at you. I was born at a time when

people like me did not appear in commercials or even TV shows like you know when you watch TV now you see people of like different shape sizes colors on the television and I try and explain to my kids like I never saw black or Latino people in commercials like like my whole life. It was just like blonde haired, blue eyed, small featured humans, like that was the world that I grew up in. So it never occurred to me, you know, that like a strange grandchild of, you know,

immigrants from Eastern Europe like should be on television. I enjoyed performing in school plays. My parents were not industry people. My dad was a drama teacher, but not my drama teacher. My mom was a nursery school director. My grandparents are immigrants, like sweatshop workers. Like I come from very humble beginnings. I grew up in a kind of crummy neighborhood in Hollywood.

You know, I grew up like playing outside till it got dark or if somebody was bleeding, that was the only time your parents kind of wanted to hear from you. So I liked school plays and had this notion of like, people are on TV, like I should be an actor. I don't know what gave me that idea really, because like I said, nobody looked like me on television. You know, my whole career,

people have believed in me more than I believed in myself. There's not an example I can give you where that wasn't true. In this case, it was my mom, you know, often starts with your parent. And she was like, you look like Bette Midler and Barbra Streisand and you can sing and you can dance and you can do this.

So I got an agent when I was 11 and I was cast in Beaches playing a young Bette Midler when I was 12 and a half. And my mother was like, see, I was right. I told you. The next period of my life, which you experienced as a viewer, and I think maybe you're- I was not even a thought.

You were not, yeah. You know, that happened because of beaches. So it was literally just like, overnight, you know, I was given my own TV show. It's nuts, it's a crazy story. And it felt crazy at the time. I was a very strange kid. I'm a strange adult.

I was a kid who didn't really, I mean, I had friends and stuff, but everybody thought I was weird. Girls were intimidated by me. Boys were intimidated by me. I was very cerebral and kind of a serious kid. And I got to have my own TV show when I was 14 to 19. That was blossom.

Wow. That's crazy. Yeah, and then I left the industry for 12 years. I used to have my own TV show when I was 14 to 19. That was Blossom. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah, and then I left the industry for 12 years. I had two kids and then I did Big Bang Theory. Okay, yeah, with Blossom, I was a big fan of Joey. And that was like when I would tie the flannels around the waist.

I would steal my sister's flannel just so I could do that. Yeah, it was a, it brings it back. It was the look. I mean, look, we were on from, you know, 1990 to 95. Like that was kind of the, it was the heart of the nineties. And, you know, CNC Music Factory was on our show and Salt and Peppa and, you know, a lot of sort of musicians and like Will Smith was on when we literally called him Fresh Prince. Like that was his name.

Like, nice to meet you, Mr. Fresh Prince. We premiered after the Cosby show. Like that's how long ago it was. That's how long ago it was. So yeah, that was, I was 14 to 19. Joey's a year younger than me. Jenna Van Oy is two years younger than me. So we kind of grew up as each other's. That was school. That was our social circle. Um, we were very fortunate. We had a very clean set, you know, a lot of sets had like drugs and parties and drinking. Like, it wasn't uncommon in those days

for like the crew to be like drunk at lunch and like come back and work the rest of the day drunk. We did not see any of that. We had a very clean set. We enjoyed our time together. I mean, of course there's not any set where there's not some sort of like, I'm sure you know, like there's human politics,

no matter what you do. But it was a very, very positive experience. And I'm not just like, it was amazing. I love my life. It really was a very positive, constructive, creative environment. I credit our producers and the grownups who were in charge of us.

So yeah, and then leaving for 12 years, I got a PhD, I had two kids. What did your PhD in? I got my PhD in neuroscience. I'm a science person. I fell in love with science late in life. And I was cast in Big Bang Theory. I had never seen it. I thought it was a game show.

And I was kind of like, as you may have like gleaned from my questionnaire, I filled out before meeting you, I'm not really a pop culture person. I had never seen the Big Bang Theory. It was a very popular show. I just was like nursing a baby and, you know, dealing with a toddler.

So yeah, I was out of, I was just out of getting my doctorate and I went to Big Bang Theory. You're just like, well I used to act and I am also a PhD. I needed insurance. I needed insurance. I was out of insurance. It's a true story.

I taught all three of my graduate years as a neuroscience student. I had my first kid in grad school and I took my doctoral hood seven months pregnant with my second and then I was tutoring. I was teaching, I taught neuroscience in the homeschool community here. I was teaching with a kid strapped to my chest,

budgeting, doing all the things that grownup people do, living in Los Angeles. And I was running out of health insurance and I figured, you know, if I I can get my Screen Actors Guild insurance, at least I can have some insurance. My husband at the time was a graduate student also. Like we didn't, you know, people didn't make the kind of money in the 90s that they do now.

It wasn't like, you're set for life and you never have to work again. What were your hopes or expectations when you got back in? Was it like, maybe I'll just do some commercials? Cause you know, you could just get a couple gigs and get insurance. Yeah, I mean, again, like commercials is a little bit hard. Like I'm a little recognizable in some ways,

but no, I really was like, if I can get like a guest spot on something, if I can just get, I mean, SAG insurance, like it's called SAG for now. Like get murdered on law and order. It's pretty good, like, right. Well, my first, I was on a Bones, did an episode of Bones. And then I did an episode of, what was it?

I feel bad that I can't remember now, but I was like girl number two. Like I literally, I went and auditioned and I don't even, my character didn't even have a name. I had like two lines at the beginning of some crime show. And yeah, like it gets you insurance. And you know, most casting directors were younger than me. They had no idea who Blossom was. I was just like it gets you insurance and you know, most casting directors were younger than me. They had no idea who Blossom was. I was just like

an unusual looking lady who at a size 6'8 was very large for the industry. And so it was like one of my auditions, one of my first auditions before I got Big Bang Theory, it was for Zoftig girl number two. Zoftig is the Yiddish word for like healthy. I was like, okay, I'm Zoftig at a six, eight. Got it. So the industry had changed a little bit. I got Big Bang Theory and I was just a guest star. You know, it was the end of season three was my episode.

And then they brought me back in season four and the week they made me a regular, I said to my manager, I think they're done with me. I don't think there's any more plots. And she was like, I don't know that that's true. And literally they called that week and that was what reminded me I should never listen to myself or my instinct.

Cause I was like, they're done. I remember I've never believed in myself. I start now. So yeah, then they made me a regular. That's right. But a fast forgetter. I'm a slow learner and a fast forgetter. And then how many more seasons after that?

I mean, you really became a focal point. Yeah, I was on for nine years. And it was, at the time, it was the number one show on television. It was the number one comedy in America. We never had the sort of like critical acclaim that a lot of shows that are often popular get, but that was just sort of the industry at the time.

It was like, oh, that's like for the fans. But you know what? We had unbelievable fans who loved our show. Jim Parsons got some Emmys. I was nominated four times for Big Bang Theory. Lost every time. Like the Susan Lucci of sitcoms. Still pretty cool.

Still pretty cool, but a lot of fancy dresses and a lot of stress for the red carpet to be like, and I lost. So those were my years, you know? I went from having a nursing baby and a toddler to having big kids, like that was nine years. So when people are like, what was that time like? That's what I think of.

I think of like, I was a mom and like pumping in my dressing room. And then by the time I was done, like I had almost Bar Mitzvah age kids. They're now 16 and 19. Wow. Yeah. That's incredible.

And now were you a fan of Jeopardy? Or did you also not watch that at all and just happened to host it? So I knew of Jeopardy, but I did not grow up in a Jeopardy watching family. My parents are like quirky Bohemian artists who were like, let's watch a Fellini film. Like that was sort of movie night for us.

But I of course knew of Jeopardy, had tremendous respect and reverence for it. But yeah, I got to host for two years. I was also working on a series that I was doing at the time, you know, after Big Bang Theory, I did a series for three years called Call Me Cat for Fox. So yeah, I was balancing my time. That was an amazing opportunity,

especially cause I'm like kind of I'm a nerd. Like I love learning all those things and I love getting to see the the writers room and be part of, you know, putting together that show, meaning watching all the clues come together. And it's very stressful to read all those words, you know, but I enjoyed it. As a dyslexic person watching it, I was always like, I don't know how you do that. How did you balance motherhood

and being a full-time working? I was married for part of my time on Big Bang Theory. And, you know, he was, he got his masters, like we were both in grad school together. He was an at-home parent, which at the time it was like, he's what? A man staying at home, isn't that emasculating? Isn't it weird?, which at the time it was like, he's what? A man staying at home. Isn't that emasculating? Isn't it weird? It might've been, but also like that was what

worked for us. We got divorced during the time I was on Big Bang Theory and he still was our at-home parent, which I think was a lovely arrangement for us even in our divorce. Our kids were homeschooled actually till high school, which is kind of interesting. So I did some of the teaching in the early years, but then yeah, when I was working, sitcom hours are great for having kids. Sitcom hours, we worked basically school hours. It was like nine to three, nine to four. We had one tape night,

but that was actually really doable. So that when I was home, I was home and on duty. Yeah, movie, like movie star schedule's very, very different and even drama, like they shoot 16 hour days, like that's not normal. So it's actually a really easy schedule, but we didn't have nannies or anything, like that's also an option that people do.

So it was kind of just him and me and that's how we did it, you know, their whole lives. Wow, have either of them watched Big Bang Theory? No, they were too young at the time. Like some of the content was like a little, so they were still kind of young. And I guess I fall more on the socially conservative side of like, I don't need them hearing all these things at seven.

And even though it's like fun and it's funny, but no, they would come when they got older, they would come to some run-throughs and see me working that way, but we never really watched it. I mean, I think it's weird. Like, I mean, they feel like it's weird to see their mom like that.

And I think also when you're a kid, you really want to dislike your parents. It's kind of like a, it's part of the job description. Right, a passage. What age does that start? It's four and seven. Um. We have an almost one year old.

Oh yeah, it starts kind of early. I mean, it depends, depends on their temperament. But yeah, I think they kind of don't wanna be like, my mom's so cool. And look, I'll be honest, I have Instagram. I see all these celebrity parents whose kids are like, my mom is the coolest TV mom ever. Like not my kids at all.

They're like, I don't wanna think about it. You look weird. My younger son used to say no clown when I would like show up and makeup or hair from work. No clown. No clown. Who'd want me to, you know, like take my makeup off and then it's like, that's mom.

Who are you? No clown. No clown. Like clown, who, where'd you get that word from? You know, and why use that with me? Did not want mama looking like that. So yeah, my kids were kind of not, like I said, I've seen the Instagrams of all the celebrities,

their kids look so happy to be on the red carpet and my kids are like. Going forward, do you see yourself using your acting skills or PhD skills more in the future? Or both maybe? I mean, I've kind of, you know, my podcast sort of is presentational science. It's infotainment. It's, you know, my podcast sort of is presentational science. It's infotainment.

It's, you know, a lot of honestly the skills that I love using on Jeopardy. Like, you know, I'm, I'm trained as a science communicator. Like that's part of the training that you get, you know, as a grad student in neuroscience. And for me, it's very natural to communicate that way. So I think like for me, the podcast is a perfect communicate that way. So I think like for me, the podcast is a perfect combination of that, but I think I mostly use my science brain there. We need a new Bill Nye, you know?

Yeah, we do. He's overstayed his welcome. I mean, look, there's definitely, people like to get certain kinds of science from their dudes, I get it. And I think that's also part of what our podcast kind of tackles is that like there's the Peter Atiyahs and there's the Hubermans and there's, you know,

all these like dudes and bros who will tell you things about your health and things like that. And I'm a lady doing that, you know, and it's different. And I think especially for me as a woman, like I don't always take in my content science wise from dudes the same way that I do if it's like a woman. So like, I don't always take in my content science-wise from dudes the same way that I do, if it's like a woman. So like, I kind of like having both options. I mean, Bill Nye is great and he's super, super brilliant.

I feel like it's less that he's a man and more that he just had that catchy song, you know? I was gonna say this. It's still in my head. Miss Frazzle raised me, like from Magic School Bus. I was like, okay, tell me all about what's happening inside my body. It takes all kinds, you know? That's also my thing. It's like,. You know, that's also my thing.

It's like, it's not, it's, we're not a one size fits all, but you know, for me, acting is something that people keep wanting me to do. I've never been trained to do it. I don't feel like I'm changing the world every time I step on a stage, but you know, for me, like the things that I do and like helping people, which I can do more as a scientist or helping people learn about themselves or learn about mental health or the environment or how it impacts us.

Like that feels, I don't know, it feels more meaningful to me, but that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy performing. But I'm not like a, I say there's two kinds of actors. There's the kinds that really, there's the kind that like live for the applause. Like they want, they want that feedback.

They want that like, ooh, it feels good and all that stuff that goes with it. And then there's actors who are like, are you happy, Mr. Director? You know, if you're happy, then we're good. Which is a much more kind of codependent approach to being a performer. Like I feel good doing my job when you're happy

with me doing my job, as opposed to, I feel good doing my job when you clap for me. That makes sense. You're an actual scientist too. I only say that because, and I love her, but my sister was a biology major and like worked in a lab for six months. And to this day, she still refers to herself

as a scientist anytime. I've referred to her as a scientist. What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? She also refers herself as a, she also refers herself as a sommelier because she sold her as a scientist. What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? She also refers herself as a sommelier because she sold liquor for a year. Okay, that I'm not with her. No, but I think when you're trained in science,

you see the world differently. Like, you do. You just, you see the world differently and... You're a PhD. You're rolling your eyes at her. That's rude. The sommelier is the more... I mean, that's not necessary.

Anytime you just have a discussion, I'm a scientist. She's a liquor scientist. Okay. You took one more class than me. Tough crowd over here. Well, we thought it would be fun. I know you're not a pop culture fan, but

since we wanted to... I hate pop culture. I'm not very literate. Since you're a PhD, and you don't need to be, since you're not a pop culture fan, but since we wanted to- I don't hate pop culture. I'm not very literate. Since you're a PhD, and you don't need to be, since you're a PhD, we'd love to use your PhD. This time going into the Bachelor season, the Bachelor releases the bios of the upcoming contestants. They always have these bizarre random facts about them. And we just like to decide who we think

might go further than the other. There's no wrong answers. Is there like a scale of one to 10? Do I have to look at them all? Or you just want a little feedback? Yes, goofy feedback not meant to be taken seriously. Some fans might take it seriously, but who knows? This is our bachelor, his name's Grant.

Very nice fellow, very handsome. We've had the pleasure of meeting him. Super down to earth, but this is the person. Just right out of salon that hairdo. This is the person that, is it how many women? Is it 25, 30? Ooh, yeah, I think so. 25 to 30 women will be trying to get engaged

to this man in less than nine weeks. Welcome to Pop Culture. How familiar, you're not familiar with the format at all? No. I was on it once. Break it down. I heard, that's what I heard. Welcome to Pop Culture. How familiar, you're not familiar with the format at all? No. I was on it once. Break it down, I heard, that's what I heard. You're very handsome. That's what I was going for.

That's a requirement. That's a requirement to say yes. That's a requirement to say yes. No, a requirement of the show. Like it's a desirable human. That looks hell, yeah, for sure. You know, you look healthy. You look totally fit.

There were plenty of people who didn't think I qualified. So, yeah. Why? Well, you know healthy, you look healthy. There were plenty of people who didn't think I qualified. So, you know, everyone's a critic. Were you single? Yeah, no. Then you're a bachelor. Based off my looks, no, they didn't think I looked the part. Okay, well, they can hide behind their computers all they want.

Exactly. Okay, go ahead. What's the promise? Yeah, 25 to 30 women show up. Okay. And night one. Okay. You know, they come out, they sometimes people,

like myself, I blacked out and was really nervous. Some people hang glide down, you know, like the producers will call you up and be like- Lady Gaga down. Yeah, like coming in as sparkly soon. The producer is like, so what do you wanna do? I'm like, well, I was just gonna like introduce myself. They're like, well, you know, we could, you know,

we're not sure, but if you wanna like, you know, parachute in or something, like, you never know. Like, all I can do is ask. So sometimes they will do a stunt. That was their way of saying you're not memorable enough in your face, they want like a big thing. Exactly. Actually, one producer literally said that.

Okay, so the guy comes in, I'm serious, like, and then the show, how many episodes is this? It's a season. 12. Yeah. Okay, and so people get eliminated, is that what happens? Yeah. So these people home.

So these women are all gonna get out of multiple limos, and they're gonna try to make their big first impression while introducing themselves to the audience. That's who should be parachuting in. And they get night one anywhere from zero seconds to two minutes of time to make a connection. One person gets what's called the first impression rose. They're safe. anywhere from zero seconds to two minutes of time to make a connection. One person gets what's called the first impression rose.

They're safe. And then at the end of the night, the bachelor gets a bunch of hands out roses. And if you don't get a rose, you go home. Okay. And then by the end of it, he proposes- To one person. To one person.

And they are engaged. Okay. Yes. And then the final four weeks, there's what's called hometown weeks, where the final four- No. They's called hometown weeks for the final four No, they they you they they get to meet their families. Yeah, and it's super weird This is the worst because then the bachelor has to fake ask for the blessing

Oh a bunch of people he has no intentions of getting engaged to art Okay, and then the third week great television fantasy sweet week and you have an overnight with each other off-camera It's called Fantasy Suite Week, and you have an overnight off camera. And sometimes it's sex, sometimes not the sex. It really is, you know. What if somebody gets pregnant? We've been hoping, you know, like. Oh, that would be so funny.

Sorry, I'm supposed to say like, oh, just use birth control, but I have to tell my kids the only way not to get pregnant. On my season, there were a couple of covers, I think like Star Magazine or whatever are in touch claiming that I might have gotten one of the people pregnant. That was a runner up.

On your season? No, the Bachelorette's season. It was like the runner up got, that was the in touch week. Okay, I'm ready. But here you go. All right, this is Alex. She's 27.

Why is there an extra E at the end of her name? Why is there an extra E? I feel like it's Alexi. You already got this, the game down. It's Alexi, it's definitely not Alex. Okay, do you think it's Alexi? We don't know. Oh.

Alexa? Alexi. Alexi? It really could be either or. This really feels hard. I feel like this is like an Alex with a silent E, but okay, we're gonna do Alexi. She loves ketchup chips, so I feel like that is an immediate. with a silent E, but OK, we're going to do Alexi.

She loves ketchup chips, so I feel like that is an immediate. She's a ketchup kid. Yeah, she's a ketchup kid. OK. Fickle. She's Canadian. Pediatric speech therapist. I mean, she's good with kids.

OK. She's good with kids. She's good with kids. She also could mean she's bossy. What's wrong? Why doesn't she do karaoke? I got questions. And it's like, doesn't do karaoke ever.

Maybe it means she's such a good singer that it's embarrassing to the other people. She's no fun. I love her. She's selfless. I'm into it. All right, me too. Hey, Ali Jo. Next we've got Ali Jo. She's a boxing trainer from New Jersey. That means he works at Rumble. I can't pronounce where she's from. She has dreams of shopping in Dubai. What does that mean? Big dreams. She's got money. Oh, or wants to be with someone. Or whoever she ends, or Grant better have.

How can you be very organized but terrible at folding? She's got Tiffany Amber Thiessen vibes. Oh yeah. She does, yeah. In a good way, it's a positive thing. I mean, I think there's only, it could be one way. I guess you're a child of the 90s. She was definitely out there for me.

I'm like, ooh. And you will never see her leave the house without lipstick on. Same. Well, definitely, yeah, relatable. She and I are like the same person. Ever? Ever. Alicia. So she's an interior designer from Florida. And I think the fact that she drove a Barbie pink vest while in college says enough for me. It's pretty cool.

She's a pumpkin spice season queen. What does that mean? Pumpkin spice. I don't mean to be mean but this screams basic all the way down the board. Wait, I'm sorry. Every time October comes around. What is, oh it's like people who like everything pumpkin spice. It's like yeah fall y'all.

What's a typical Scorpio? She's a top 40s girl for sure. I don't know enough about astrology, but she does. No, she knows enough about herself. Oh, there you go. She knows that Scorpios are mysterious. I'm saying hi to them as if they're really. Hi Bailey.

Hi Bailey, nice to meet you. You're a social media manager from Atlanta. Is she there for the right reasons though, because if she knows about social media, it probably means she's, is she really there for love or is she there for the followers? She knows what angle needs to happen whenever she's in a scene.

Does she already have a blue check mark? I relate to her because her comfort items include bread and a heating pad. And if I'm not falling asleep with a heating pad on me, I won't be asleep. If I'm not falling asleep with a piece of bread on me, I'm not falling asleep with a heating pad on me, I won't be asleep. If I'm not falling asleep with a piece of bread on me, I'm not falling asleep. So we love Bailey.

Wait, once took a flight slowly for the purpose of leveling up her status with an airline, I respect that. She dreams of seeing a polar bear in real life. She's ambitious. Has she ever been to the zoo? I don't think zoos technically have. No, she wants like in the wild. Like in the wild state.

Well it doesn't say in the wild, it says in real life. Wow, bro. Wow. I'm just. Judgy. Well, it doesn't say in the wild, it says in real life. Wow, bro. Wow. I'm just. Judgy. Yeah, that is judgy. Beverly, insurance. That's my mom's name.

Really? Yeah, that is my mom, actually. Exactly. Wow. What's this guy doing? What is Bev doing? Insurance salesperson. Her fun facts include closet is color coordinated.

Same! So is mine. True story. I feel like if your closet isn't color coordinated, you need to grow up. If your closet doesn't look like your waiting room bookshelf, I don't wanna see you.

That was my doing. Lovely. So thank you very much. My house is like that too, I color block the books. You have to color block the books. Her first concert was the Jonas Brothers. Jonas Brothers.

Aspires. That's a pretty. She got a good dish. Aspires to visit all seven continents. I like that. Okay, she wants to be one. I just like the name Beverly. Like, do we call her Bev?

My mom's nickname's Bevy. Oh, we've moved on to Carolina. We're done, yeah. Carolina? Carolina? Carolina? She's from Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico. She's a PR producer.

Oh. Don't know what that means. What does that mean? But she describes her vibe as cool grandma. Her pet peeve is menus with no photos. I can stand by that. I do want to see a photo of what I am reading. Why?

It's never going to look like that when it comes out of the kitchen. There's a lot of times I don't know. Oh, no. Really? I don't want the pictures. If it has a picture, it's giving Cheesecake Factory, and I don't want to be there.

Totally. She has dreams of being roasted by Nikki Glaser. How would she do that by becoming? Going on The Bachelor. By winning The Bachelor. I was gonna say, or by being in the Golden Globes. Nikki Glaser. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, yes. But it is giving maybe not right reasons. Maybe, well maybe we- Because I feel like Nikki Glaser wouldn't roast- A cool grandma. A cool grandma. She wouldn't. From Puerto Rico. She would not. Nikki would roast anyone. We'll have Nikki on and maybe we'll get Carolina on grandma. A cool grandma. She wouldn't. From Puerto Rico.

She would not. Nikki would roast anyone. We'll have Nikki on and maybe we'll get Carolina on and maybe we'll make her dream come true. Chloe with an I. Can we back? Chloe's got an extra vowel. In the slightest possible way, doesn't Carolina kind of give a little Sarah Paulson? Oh, yeah.

I see that. Chloe with every vowel she could possibly find. Model, 27. You know what, this is Serena Carrigan's ex assistant. Oh really? Yes. Friend of show. She posted that this was her ex assistant. I wonder why ex? Why did she fire her? Or why'd she quit? Yep. She loves the dirty Marge Misi. Still sleeps with her baby blanket. Hashtag no shame. Did she write the hashtag? There should be a little shame. Dreams of seeing herself on a

billboard in New York City. These are some... She's here for the right reasons. These, they are exposing themselves. She's a model and she's in New York. It makes sense. Okay, you're right. I'd worry if she didn't dream of seeing herself

on a billboard in New York City. Okay, you're right. Christina, 26, marketing director from Fargo. Kirsten Dunst vibes. Very Kirsten Dunst vibes. Who also was in Fargo. Lookirsten Dunst vibes. Very Kirsten Dunst. Who also was in Fargo. Look at that. Season two?

I don't know. That is true. She hopes to start a clothing line inspired by her grandparents. She needs to talk to Cool Grandma Lady. She does need to talk to Cool Grandma Lady, but I also want to know why her grandparents. Her grandparents are like 50, they're like 50 years old.

Like they're not that old. Like. Yeah. Like. Sorry. They're not that old. Like... Yeah. Sorry. You're not wrong. All right, we have Dina. She's an attorney from Chicago.

Has never met anyone who is cleaner and more organized than she is. Is this a competition? That could mean nothing. Maybe she hasn't met enough people. Yeah. Wishes she had more time to read for fun. She's an attorney. She's very busy prosecuting things. That screams teacher's pet. I'm the best at being organized.

And she just wishes she had more time to read for fun. I guess she does probably read a lot of like boring. The things that lawyers read. Right, yeah. They read briefs. They're not reading. She needs some smut in her life. A court and thorn of life. Claims.

Ella, 25, luxury travel host from LA. What does that mean? I don't know. She loves to play badminton. She prefers glamping over camping. Growing up, Ella's fave look was a shirt with Justin Bieber's face on it. Okay. These aren't easy fun facts for me to work with. Yeah.

What would be your fun facts? Oh. Never seen the patch look. PhD in neuroscience. Color coordinated closet. I am a very organized person. Okay, Janaye, 28 28 account coordinator from Colorado very vague Mostly I want to know what she's holding in her right hand that got cut off in the picture

Has a rose tattoo on her forearm coincidence hmm so do I and it's also not a coincidence that I married a bachelor and have a Rose tattoo, so it's a foreshadowing Is a for I think it is a coincidence Mine well you had it before you met me, which means you had a coincidence with me. Oh. Or just manifestation. Oh.

The best kind of coincidence. The universe's coincidence. I did, I manifested that I would marry a bachelor. Her love language is FaceTime. Okay. That's weird, you feel weird about that? I can see it on his face. He's like, that's weird. Why don't you love that her love language is FaceTime? No, that wasn't it. It's weird. You feel weird about that? I can see it on his face. He's like, that's weird.

Why don't you love that her love language is face-syncing? No, that wasn't it. It's not a love language. Oh, Juliana, 28, client service associate from Newton, Massachusetts. What's a client service associate? Yeah, I feel like some of these people make up. Here's what I've learned about these bios.

There's a lot of fake jobs out there. Oh yeah. You just throw three words that make sense. Like, there are two words that make sense and then just throw associate at the end or producer and you're good. Client service associate. Sorry.

Okay, I mean she wants to own a dog friendly bar one day and I'm here for it, I guess. People are bringing their dogs anyways, right? I don't know. Who's turning down dogs these days? Yeah, I don't know. Is there a place in the United States that says no dogs? Is that nice for dogs?

They're just like, leave me home. They just want to be wherever. Yeah. Are there a bunch of dog beds and like, toys laying around? Is there loud music playing? Yeah, maybe like a, it's like a cat cafe, but a dog-friendly bar.

Right, right. Kelsey, 26, interior designer from Brooklyn, New York. She wants a study empire building under Chris Jenner. Oh, she wants to build an empire like Kris Jenner. Oh, he loves to spend her summers in Martha's Vineyard. That's nice. Kylie, 26, retail manager from Wilmington, North Carolina. She lived in Uganda for four months,

and her favorite movie is Pearl Harbor. Interesting. And loves drawing. I'm very interested in this Uganda period in her life. This is a good combination of facts. Line dancing, Pearl Harbor. Uganda. combination of facts. Line dancing Pearl Harbor. Uganda. Uganda. I honestly personally wish Pearl Harbor would have gotten more of the history of Pearl Harbor

less the love story. But that's just my take on the movie. All right. Latia, venture capitalist from Salt Lake City, is an incredibly fast swimmer. Loves a good personality test. By who's standards? A personality test. Loves being outside, test. By who's standards? A personality test. Loves being outside but hates hiking. Like truly loathes it.

Because she's such a fast swimmer. Why hike when you can swim? Why would you hike? I do think hiking's a bit overrated. Especially in LA, people talk about hiking as if it's like some sort of. I mean, Salt Lake City's got a lot of mountains. Like, good hiking there.

Yeah, I'm sure, but it's just. Natalie, love her. Oh. From the jump. PhD... Natalie, love her. Oh. From the jump. PhD student, you love her. In what we don't know. We don't know because it's not one of the facts. And how committed is she really if she's got...

She's from Louisville. That's true. She's still a student. She's not a breakfast person. Her love language is gift-givings and she's a Seattle Seahawks fan. Lot going on there. Okay, Natalie.

Neacy. Neacy. Pediatric there. Okay, Natalie. Neacy. Neacy. Pediatrician. We love. We like a doctor. We immediately love her from South Carolina. Always wanted to be a spy. I get that.

Would love an invite to the annual Kardashians. That means she's gonna spy on him. That's all I hear. She's gonna spy on him. She wants an invite to the Kardashians Christmas party. Okay. Loves experimenting with different coffees. I cannot relate.

I feel like you find one and you're good coffees. I cannot relate. I feel like you find one and you're good. Right? Why would you? I just like that she's a pediatrician. It's a special kind of human that wants to deal with all those sick kids. And also I feel like pediatrician is hard. You gotta like, yeah, they are. I mean, after our pediatrician had to look in our daughter's ears one too many times, she hates him. Oh, yeah. So, you know. Get a lot of small people hating you. Parisa, pediatric. There's a lot of pediatrics.

This is our third pediatric. This is our third. We had a speech therapist, a pediatrician, and now a pediatric behavior analyst. They love the health care industry on The Bachelor. A lot of nurses, typically. Oh. Yeah.

I mean, if they can get a doctor, they'll take one. She has a rock collection. I have a rock collection. You do? I do. Is this like a? It's from when I have a rock collection. You do? I do. Is this like a... From when I was a kid, but I do like rocks

and pretty things. I took a geogra... Is it geology? Freshman year of college and I thought it was gonna be rocks for jocks. Hardest class ever. It's a lot of memorization. I did not do well.

Yeah, it's hard class. My professor was like, he just was all over the place. And I was like, what am I supposed to take notes on? So are rocks. They're all over the place. That's true. Yeah, we took a field trip. Doesn't she have an intense gaze?

She does. She's a whiz with PowerPoint. That tracks based off her gaze. She's just looking right at you. That's also talent to be able to be a whiz with PowerPoint. And I wonder if she was nervous with the TikTok shutdown for the 12 hours Was she like super high-strung she couldn't relax. That's true. She had no way to relax. No way

This tick-tock make you relax organization content. She says oh, yeah, I do like the cooking videos Radica is an attorney in New York. She brunches regularly. Oh, That's expensive in New York. That means day drinking. We all know what that means. Bucket list item is to kiss someone in the rain. She is going to the right place. They will be pouring water on her and Grant in no time. Oh, she likes Harry Potter. Yep.

I like that. Big fan. Rebecca. 31, ICU nurse from Dallas, has never met an animal she didn't like. ICU nurse, that's intense. That's intense. Always aims to be the best dressed person in the room. Uh-oh. We're gonna have to see.

Yeah, she's gonna have to prove it. It's giving potential freak out night one. Yeah, of like, holy fuck. What are you wearing? On my season of The Bachelor. So like, you know, all the contestants will like go to the producers, like, do you like my dress? And so the producers, I refer to them as the friend

who wants you to buy the boat. Yes. You know, not really there for good advice, but they're there to encourage you to, you know, whatever direction you want to go, that are to make you feel good about it. So like half the women came out in red dresses and you can, you just knew that they were like,

this is the dress I want to wear. And any other real friend would have been like, you know, maybe different color. So they're all like, for sure. Yes, red. So then they could all freak out about how they were wearing red dresses. All in red dresses.

That's how the sausage is made. That's how it's made. And we have an RN, Rose. I wonder if her name is a coincidence to her going on the show. She admits she's a terrible dancer and thinks Julie Andrews is the ghost. Interesting.

That, gotta know more about that. The 27 year old who likes Julie Andrews, there's a story there. There is a story there. That's like Sound of Music, Mary Poppins, deep. Great films. Great films. Sarafina, I feel like she has to be a mermaid.

Associate media director. Okay. What is that? I don't know. Another fake joke. She really wants to learn how to play tennis, rocked a bob during her college years. I know.

There's a tennis court like in every neighborhood. Has seen every episode of Grey's Anatomy at least three times. Interesting. That's, she must have a lot of free time because that is a lot of free time because that is a lot of TV to have to watch. They're still going. They're still going. Correct. Also she's in New York. There might not be a tennis court. There's not a tennis court

in every neighborhood in New York. There's clubs. All right. Savannah, wedding planner. Oh, that's fun. They got to in Savannah. They gotta get married too. She's from Charlottesville, Virginia. She loves a competitive game of charades. She doesn't like a non-competitive game of charades. Yeah, she wants everyone to be as invested as she is, or it's not fun. Yelling at each other, screaming.

Yeah, dreams of planning the Met Gala one day. Oh, that's fun. That is fun. That's interesting. Has a serious fear of owls. What did they ever do to you? Vicky, 28, nightclub server in Las Vegas. Wow. Takes pride in her calves of steel.

Okay. Would love to see those. Not herself without lip liner. Her and our girl, who doesn't leave the house without lipstick, would be blonde. Oh yes. And she wants to live on a vineyard in Italy. Wow. Me yes. And she wants to live on a vineyard in Italy. Wow.

Me too. All right, and our last woman of Grant season, Zoe, 27, tech engineer and model. Okay, beauty and brains. There we go. Nothing makes her happier than puppies and babies. Oh, okay. Can't and won't live without tacos.

I won't ask her to. I won't ask her to either. And honestly, I can't and I won't live without tacos. I won't ask her to. I won't ask her to either. And honestly, I can't and I won't either. Was the first female wrestler to join her high school wrestling team. That's pretty cool. Cooking badass. That's really cool.

Wow. That's no joke. Like real wrestling, not the fake stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cauliflower ear. Not WWF. Who do we feel like is our grants front runner? Did anyone stand out to you?

I don't know. No, you don't remember anyone. There's no wrong answer. I mean, I'm kind of a sucker for like the pediatrician. I feel like you have to go with Natalie because she's a PhD student. You have to stick with your PhD-er. I like Nisi.

I like Nisi. I'm going to call her right now. Nisi. Nisi. Okay. I feel like she's definitely- But they all seemed lovely. Kelsey, Juliana. Juliana.

Where's Grant live? Currently lives in Texas. Oh. There was one girl from Dallas. Okay. So maybe that's- I mean, you could move for love. I would.

It has been done before? Yeah. I think. Okay, well, you know. A lot of these jobs could happen in a lot of places. Who's your villain? Oh boy. Ali Jo.

Ali Jo. Oh, you think? It's the sparkles on her top. I feel like Ali Jo, because she's a boxing trainer, is gonna have some beef with Zoe, because Zoe was the wrestling team. And wrestling and boxing, I feel like kinda. Yeah, combating.

And as a boxing trainer, very vocal, very like, is afraid to speak up. That can definitely rub people the wrong way in a house like that. So, good guess. They all live together? They all live together. Oh, for the duration, I see.

And bunk beds. Well, until hometowns. Oh, then, okay. Because then it's all about love. How much do you want to bet they're going to make Savannah, who has a serious fear of owls, do a photo shoot with owls? Oh, that's sad. See how she operates under pressure. Very stressful.

All right, well, we'll see. Well, it does it. Well, best of luck to all these ladies. Sure. I mean, I know their season's wrapped, so, but in our minds. We look forward to seeing how their love unfolds on Tuesday. How the journey goes.

We'll talk about it on Monday night. We'll talk about it on Tuesday. Mayim, this has been so much fun. Thank you for having me. Thank you for taking the time. Really fun. Anything you want to plug, promote, put out there? Yeah, our podcast, Miami Alex Breakdown, you can watch it.

We also have four cameras for our podcast. So you can watch it on my YouTube channel or like Spotify or wherever you get podcasts and our Instagrams at Bialik Breakdown. I think that's kind of it. Yeah. Incredible. Lovely. Well, thank you for taking the time.

Thank you. It's been so much fun to have you on. Thank you. All right, well that's a lot of fun with Mayim. We love a good, a bachelor roundup, especially with someone who's never seen the show. That's fun, we love her. Up next, very excited about this. If you aren't watching Special Forces,

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Learn more at Huggies.com. Once again, head to Huggies.com to learn more. Billy Rudy. Yes, man. Welcome to the show. It's great to finally have you on. It's great to be here. It's good to now be into your arena. Yeah, I feel like I'm a little bit of the driver's seat after being afraid

of you guys for a long time. Oh, brother. Oh, brother. Thank you all. We've been fans after the second season. I watched when you had Tom Sandoval and some of the other cats on. Did you watch the Tom Sandoval? I did. That one Trippie. That one made some waves. Trippy. I liked his friend. Oh, Schwartz.

Schwartz. Yeah. His friend has been looking after Tom for a while. Yeah. Somebody asked him. Yeah, no kidding. Someone does. That's what Billy's, I got Billy for.

I know that feeling. Yeah, don't. It is so funny to have you guys here and just to see your real personalities. Yeah, I feel like y'all are so scary and intimidating and kind of like funny in a way just because it's so the stuff that y'all come up with to say is so mean and so bizarre. It's called humor. It's funny. It's called British humor.

It's British humor. Yeah. Yeah. What has this season of Special Forces been like for y'all? It's called British humor. It's British humor. What has this season of Special Forces been like for y'all? It's been challenging. It's been brutal. I use that word a lot, but it has, and it gets more and more intense every time we do it. Not to take away from all the people like yourselves, your course, but every time we

do it does get more intense. And the reason that is because we follow the ethos of the real special forces. And every time we do a job, a task, a course, we look at what could we've done to make it better. Generally that means make it harder. And to get them, it's all about getting the most out of the people that come on it. That's what it's about. And we look at, we analyze every task, we do everything we do and go, right, you

know what, we'll that didn't work too great this time, let's add this. So it's, it's more intense, I think. And I think it works on both sides for us. We, we make it better if we can, the camera people team who now, you know, get more experienced, look at the, the realize what worked and didn't, what the court, what they didn't. So it gets, it does the whole thing. You know, evolves

literally to a better pace every time we do it. Not to say it's any, the experience for the people on it is as odd as it always will be. There's no compensation for anything, male, female, weights, everybody does exactly the same as Nicole. Everyone carries the same. They don't play favorites. It's, it's, it's really, it's really wild. And the weather does not discriminate. The conditions don't discriminate. They all go through the same pain, misery, and suffering.

But it's also cool that you all are part of a lineage, just like in our world, our courses, and our generations of operators. It's a lineage. We're part of those that went before. And now the younger war fighters have learned from us. So it's the same thing. It's very military. We're part of those that went before and now the younger warfighters have learned from us So it's it's the same thing. It's very military. You're right Yeah, thinking about it now Nick you look at the our course is harder than this

When we did it, yeah Does the same you know when I first joined the army their selection was harder than ours their war fighting was harder than ours You're like whatever now. I'm doing it to the young Yeah was harder than ours. Their war fighting was harder than ours. You're like, whatever. Now I'm doing it to the young. Yeah. For my audience, can you guys talk a little bit about your background in terms of your military experience and the, you know, the, the places you guys came from? Do you want me to go first? Go first, brother. Okay. So I'm Billy Billingham, British, born in the UK, born into a family of five in the West Midlands, a very poor family. I was the middle child, which means I'm different. Middle children are different. We are rogue and I was rogue. So where I grew up, it was all gangs at the

time and I gravitated. Peaky Blinders? Yeah, seriously. I gravitated towards that thinking that was, you know, there's guys with a name in the street and everyone knew him. And I thought, I want to be like that guy. Of course, looking back, I was wrong, but that's where I was going at the age of nine. I joined a gang and I ended up stealing from an old man who kind of changed my life.

Even at an early age, rather than giving me a good ID in, he took me to the side and said, listen, there's something about you. I want to come, I want you to come to my boxing gym at the age of nine. And I went, you know, if you could imagine a nine year old today doing what I did, you got to think about this. I stole from an old man who rather than giving me an eye, tells me to go to a boxing club, which is in the pub downtown, three miles from my house, in the snow,

in February, pitch black. I'm nine years old walking down to meet an old man at the back of a pub that I stole a hat from. He taught me in the gym, taught me all about boxing and I won't go too deep into all this but what he said to me was boxing is not a sport of brutality. Boxing is a poor man's game of chess. It's about reading what's in front of you, having respect for what's in front of you, having respect for yourself, the sport. It's about anticipating the next move and always being one step ahead. And his final words to me said, no matter how good you are or think you are, you will have a moment where it's going to be hard and you'll feel you can't do it. You've got to say to yourself,

I can go always a little further and you will. And that's the reason we do on the show. 20 years later, I joined the SES. On the clock tower, which is a tower where people's names go on if you don't survive, all my fallen comrades are on there, you know, you have to beat the clock. That's a saying. On the day I joined the SES, I went and read the collect, and the final words underneath was always a little further.

And I went back to be nine years old, and the air's on the back of my neck. And that's my mantra. I've gone off at a tangent. That's how I was growing up. 13, I got thrown out of school. 11, I was in juvenile court for being in a gang fighting, you know, you know, I was shaming my family. I was putting a lot of pressure on my mom and dad.

And I knew I was, you know, my mom, as every mom does, he got in with her own crowd. I was the wrong crowd. I knew I was doing it. Kids do know. So there's lesson one. Don't let people make excuses for you. Own it. Eleven in court, thirteen, I have a great idea in school to be the hero.

I glued the maths teacher to the chair. It didn't go down very well. True. And I got thrown out of school. So I ended up, my education stopped at 13 years old. I ended up working in a factory illegally at 15, earning money. And then at 15 again, my whole life changed. The fighting got out of control.

I got stabbed and nearly died. And when I was recovering from that, I remember looking at my mom and dad and my family who had been told he's probably going to, and I could hear everything going on inside my head, but I couldn't react to it. And I just said to myself, I've gotta change my life. I need new direction. I've got to go to the military. So when I recovered a little bit later,

it took a while, then I got injured working in a factory, which I won't go into. I then joined the army at 17. And the army, day one of joining the army, I'd left my hometown where I thought it was a big fish in a small pond. I had a reputation. I was now standing in front of real men. My instructor, I remember looking at him on day one.

He had a big scar across his face. He'd been shot in the Falklands. He was still healing, but there was an aura of respect all around him. And I remember looking and thinking, I want people to feel about me the way I feel about that man there. And I said to myself, this is going to be horrendous. I was the youngest, I was the skinniest and I was the mouthiest. And I thought, I thought to myself, there's no way I'm going out that gate unless they throw me out or I die. I've got to do this. And I did. And we started with 70, 70, then we finished with seven. And I was one of those seven.

And then I had a great career with the parachute regiment. Joined this regiment, came to Belize my very first trip. I'd never been- To America. Yeah. I'd never been out my home town. The only time I'd ever seen an aircraft was when it flew overhead. I've now been on an aircraft nine times and never landed once. I've been thrown out the frigging door. And then all of a sudden I'm landed in an aircraft in a place called Belize, Central America.

Now when I got told I'm going to my battalion and they're in America, that's all I heard. I didn't hear Central America. I just heard America. I thought, woo, chicks, sand, beer. This is it. I've made it. I'm coming to California. Wrong. So I called my mom and I said, mom, I'm going to America. She said, that's fantastic. Where about? And I went, I have Central America. She goes, okay, calm

down. Central America. Where exactly? I went, Belize? She went, you clown. You're going to the jungle. I went, what? She said, if you'd have gone to school and learned geography, you know where you're going. So I ended up in Belize. I have this, and now came to America for the first time at 17 years old, 18 years old. And, uh, I went to Fort Lauderdale. It was called, there was a thing called the strip. I think it's still the same. I don't know.

Yeah. Oh man. It was chaotic. I was 17. I was drunk as a skunk and obviously not supposed to drink till you're 21. I had a great time, first trip to America. Followed these people who'd all been to war and conflict and I learned a lot from these people and then I climbed the ladder over a nine year period.

I'd been in conflict myself now. I'd led operations. Were you in POW? I was, yeah, that was later on though. And then nine years, nine years, I kind of reached my ceiling with that regiment who were fantastic. I say reached my ceiling, I wanted more challenge. I wanted to go somewhere different.

Didn't know a lot about special forces, which most people don't. I knew enough to say it's a challenge. I want to do it. So I did. Went on selection in 92, beginning of 92, 283 of us started, seven of us finished. And I went to a squadron called B Squadron, which is famous for the Iranian embassy. I don't know if you know all about that.

That was the first time special forces were ever heard of on TV and around the nation. So I went to that squadron and I had a wonderful career. I did everything from hostage release to indicting people for war crimes to whatever, decorate by the queen a couple times and stuff like that. But it was great, it was just a wild, crazy career. That's incredible.

What does POW mean? Prisoner of War. Yeah, yeah, I'd say prisoner of war. I got kidnapped, taken basically in Bosnia. But like on the show, the final phase is to simulate potentially getting kidnapped and Billy's instructing us and we find come to find out he's like speaking from a real life experience while we're just kind of simulating it he's like no I literally know what it's like to be in this situation.

And no two situations are the same you know on the course the teacher how to resist and survive yeah that is one key element that is in every situation I guess but how people on the course, the teacher how to resist and survive. That is one key element that is in every situation, I guess, but how people treat you is gonna be, never gonna be the same. Now, if you're in the wrong guns at the wrong time, you ain't gonna last. How did you end up getting out of those situations?

I can't go too deep into it because of operational security, but we ended up taking hostages of people who had taken me hostage at an higher level. It was a meeting coming together where they'd taken me and someone else, and I think they're going to use us as human shields, put us in front of buildings that we, friendly forces are going to bomb, so we didn't bomb it. I think that's what they were going to do. But we ended up having control of some of their people. And it was like, you don't, if you don't release them, we're not releasing them. It was one

of those sketches. Lucky, very lucky. So yeah, that was my life and my military career. And what about you, Rudy? And you know, listening to Billy, it always helps me reflect too. And you know what? We're a lot alike in this way for the things that we were missing in our childhood and the things that we desired to get out of our environment, it shaped me. Poor family and a bastard son. So I never really had a family. And I didn't know for my first seven, maybe eight years,

that I was somebody else's boy. And I come from a Mexican-American family, a Catholic family, and I'm 53. Down in the border, it's almost the cultures 100 years in the past. So I was always beaten up and picked on by my cousins, and my mom was always humiliated by the family. I didn't know, I didn't understand the dynamic. It's because she had me and my biological father was a Marine, and I guess a great Marine. Two tours in Vietnam, he was a horseman, he was a boxer. I guess he had an amazing personality. I get some

of his personality. But after a second tour in Vietnam, he was not the same. And I believe he got on heroin out there and he was really never heard from it again. And he was put away medication and never had a job again. And that family is a Spanish family from Mexico. I found them later when I became successful. I thought I want to find out where I'm from. And my cousin is the district attorney of Austin. I have a little sister who's a doctor. My uncle is a professor at UT of both Latin and European studies and leads tours in Italy. Very high vibration people, but they were not happy to see me. They met me once, maybe because they see it as a shame or whatever.

And also, they hate the Marine Corps and hate the military because they believe it took their son away. Needless to say, my military is my real family, even my other units. I mean, we had to get together yesterday. We had some Marines, we got freaking SAS, the Green Berets, the Seals, all the brothers get together. It's the same family because it's the same culture. We care about each other. And we have been through a selection that we all know who's who in the zoo. You never have to trust that that man to the left, the right can handle their sector and if you go down, they can take over the mission.

It's an incredible sense of security knowing you're with the best guys in the world. My Mexican family was poor, so it was gangs, drugs, prison, domestic abuse. So I rebelled and was a good boy. I rebelled and followed the rules, stayed in school, which was very hard, because I went to many different schools, because I was shuffled around different families, foster care, and then ultimately the Omaha Home for Boys.

My brothers and I have two little brothers. We were very sick by then. We had worms. I had ringworm really bad I guess because my immune system was so down. And hepatitis, I had to be hospitalized and all my teeth had rotten so bad that I might have lost an eye because the rot had got back there. However, the fighting spirit of the human being is incredible. I was still working out. It's not like I had coaches or trainers or anything, but I saw whatever freaking John Rambo was doing, whatever Rocky Balboa was doing.

I was out at the park doing pushups and pull-ups, and I just wanted to be a real man. I excelled in sport. In the boys home. The Dean of boys was also an orphan grew up there since five. And then he got his education and he's my wrestling coach. And he was also, he did clown clown work like for the Shriners. And we would go to elderly homes, man.

I got such education there. Really? We'd go to elderly homes and do clown work and spend time with the elderly. I learned by following the rules, training really hard, and exceeding standards, I got more privileges. I graduated high school. I got an art scholarship because I used to paint and draw, but I could not take my little brothers with me. I opted out of school to then adopt my brothers at 18 because they were 16 and 15. We went to work in washing dishes and working in

restaurants and then construction. And then I started doing martial art. I have always loved to do physical training because it makes me happy. The ethos of that childhood and of martial art is what led me to the military. I never thought about actually pulling triggers and dropping bombs. There was a war in Kosovo and there was ethnic cleansing and there was a lot of suffering there and America was going to bring troops. That's why I joined. I didn't know what, what I was going to do. So I joined the Marine Corps as an infantryman to just do my part. I excelled so

fast and did so well. And by the way, it's really hard. You fail at everything. You're always punished. You have none of your time as your own. You don't even look your own. Your hair's got to be a certain way. Your uniform's got to be a certain way. You are a nobody, which actually builds character. I make it through selection. 300,000 Marines, there's only 300 billets for recon Marines. There was no money in the nineties. We were not a part of SOCOM then. So the standards were so high because they only got 300 billets around the world. When I went through my selection, we have captains, infantry commanders, we've got staff sergeants who are already scout snipers and rangers and had trigger time in Somalia, drill instructors, seasoned guys.

And I'm just same as you know now, Mr. Smiling, happy to be there. And it was really hard. I didn't know proper soldiering yet. I was learning on the job, but I made it after a year long of selection. And then I started going to schools and started making a reputation in my little team. Nothing's given to you in the military. It's all earned. And I was in the Persian Gulf on a ship as a point man, junior guy on a five-man team. My teammates are already Somalia veterans, Haiti veterans, scout snipers, Rangers,

and the towers were hit and boom, that's when the world changed for this global war on terror. And the sirens were going off. Seemed like 20 minutes I was listening to it, but it was probably only one second. And we're called to our birthing. We're getting crypto for our radios. We're getting explosives. We're getting spins for our airos because we're about to get in the

helicopter, getting ourselves together. And it was just a roller coaster. And I'm doing the job. 70 kilometer movements, Billy. Oh, I'd never driven a Humvee before. We're cool guys. We always freaking jump from the sky or we can dive. And no, I've got to drive a Humvee in bad guy country and then dig it in before the sun comes up. So then we patrol, rocked up with our big rucks and Bergens full of communication, equipment, optics, laser designators, and then weapons and then hide in the mountain. And when the bad guys are coming through, hit them with the lasers, call in the close air support, shoot them with our weapons. I did my duty.

It was almost a blur because I was so busy. Billy, do you remember the old days before GPS was everything and when you had to coordinate? Navigate. Yeah. You had to navigate and coordinate with other units in zone and then with airos, the air officers and it was MGRS map with overlays, acetates. Because of my artistry, brother, I was always in charge of doing the overlays because they look so sharp and the marginal information. All of our work is attention to detail. It's

not genius work, it's attention to detail. Come back from that. Very excited to be alive. In those old days, we never knew when we were coming home because there were expeditionary times. And shortly after being home, long before you civilians knew, we knew we were going to Iraq. So we were already preparing for Iraq and we went to Iraq, we went to Kuwait about three or four months prior, training and then doing probing missions on the Berm, you know, where we were going to make the breach. And then it was on, I mean, what that Iraq invasion, it was, it was us, it was Brits, it was everybody. And we hit a city in Nazaria.

I think my unit had 100 men altogether and that's to include mechanics, fuel techs, everybody admin. We only had 60 fighters. And when we got to Nazaria, the infantry was being bogged down and getting hit and getting freaking tore up. Do you remember those early days, Billy? Those really early days, there was those beautiful winds and it was kind of cool and it was kind of raining those first few days.

And it was like Vietnam because we're on the river, the palm trees and it's kind of cool and it was kind of raining those first few days. And it was like Vietnam because we're on the river, the palm trees and it's kind of raining and the freaking Cobras are freaking firing, hell fires. And it's getting on. We're fighting too. And on the radio, they're going to chop away all the team leaders because they're paramedics. When you become team leader, we got to go to paramedic school. And we've all done combat medic school, but paramedics, the higher level, and then our high-end medics go to a battlefield surgery school, which is a one-year program that condenses four years of medical school. We're going to split up our teams. We're only five men. We're going to split up teams into two or three to go rescue the guys. I am actually really scared because my team leader is my hero. And I feel a little embarrassed that I, cause I know they're going to die.

It's like teams of two, Oh, no armor. In those days we were, we were just driving Humvees that look like Jeeps going out on a holiday to Malibu. Like there's no roots, there's no armor, there's no nothing, just big guns. And I was embarrassed that I was scared because he's going to die. And I'm scared. How am I going to handle this team? We've only just begun this invasion. And I'm scared because I'm a little bit think maybe I'm a coward. And so I said, man, Sean, this is fucking bullshit. I'm going with you.

And he says to me, and he's contrary as hell, Rudy, shut the fuck up, Rudy. Are you a professional? And I was like, fuck, that's all I needed to hear because the mission has to continue. We chop our way through. General Mattis says, you know what? Recon lead the way. And that's what we did.

Chopped our way all the way, the Baghdad to crit back. And somebody wrote a book. I was still in the Marine Corps. We kept, we all came back from that invasion. I'm an instructor now. And now, um, I'm starting to have a little time with my family. For a little town we'd never heard of called Fallujah is popping off and Ramadi is popping off the SUNY triangle.

And they called me back and it was bloody, it was heavy. I mean, one day I'll tell you all about that, but roadside bombs, suicide bombers, suicide truck bombs. And, and we had to fight and I really really got a lot of experience but it's also that was by then my second enlistment we're standing up more sock so recon was now turning into special operations command because we were so effective for so little money reminds me of early SAS like no month when in World War two no no money, no whatever.

They made it happen. I turned them down. I was mentally burned out, I think, from fighting and everything. All of it, all of it was burned out. And I got out, became a boxing and kickboxing coach, making a little money, doing seven, eight hours a day, seven days a week. Cause we're used to working all the time. Didn't talk to my wife anymore. Uh, still couldn't sleep.

Started drinking, never drank in my life. Started drinking at 36. Go to sleep. And then I got saved by entertainment. HBO calls and says, we're making a mini series about your invasion generation kill. We want you to teach and train the actors, bring production onto Camp Hampton, have a dog and pony, show them what you do.

We're doing shoot houses, sniper work. We got freaking jumpers coming in. We're doing water survival. We're doing hand to hand. All these freaking producer peoples are like, this is freaking savage, you know? Rudy, we want you to come to Africa to teach and train. I did.

They couldn't find anybody to play me because you have to be fabulous. You have to be Latino. This is their words, not mine. Fabulous Latino. Absolutely jacked. Yeah, jacked, flawless skin and hair. That's their words, Not mine, right? So some of the cats that were auditioning a great amount of humility. Yeah

Well, I mean they were my there their words, right? I didn't even know I was handsome I mean, I never I was with the same woman since I was 19 years old So I saw some of the guys that were auditioning They weren't quite getting it the production had me audition for myself, which wasn't easy. You crashed. Well, at least I looked like the guy. At least I looked like the guy. I got it.

He failed being himself. Oh, bro. I did it, but it was hard. Like any new skill. That's what got me in entertainment and mostly did survival work. Did some film and TV. And this has been the best thing to happen to me is SAS and Billy's program that he built.

They reached out to me to come on the show in the UK. And I was received first of all, by the brothers. The UK was at first not down with me. Now the UK loves me. But now it's also, it's a two-way street. America's falling in love with these guys. We're in America now. And I mean, we're rolling strong, man. It's incredible. So yeah, we both work in the veteran community. We both do nonprofits and charity. Mine is Force Blue. I rebuild coral reefs and do ocean conservation and put military men to work

with our special combat dive and amphib skills. We've now grown it to a children's program. We train the children of the fallen to ocean conservation and they work with men that are their fathers, who even knew their fathers, healing families. Now we're bringing our own kids out. Cause really now as we're older, Billy will tell you, it's our family, our kids and our loved ones that it's all about. So that's kind of where I'm at. Billy, you kind of got into entertainment as a bodyguard

for some of the bigger A-list celebrities. That accurate? Yeah, it is. I was here actually in LA. I left the military. Prior to leaving the military, like we all do, he kind of lost. It's intimidating. I've been in the military for 27 years. That's all I knew. Now I've got to get out and get a proper job. And I didn't know what that meant. Sure, man. I was like, how do I do this? And a friend of mine said, look, hey, can you help me out? We did a bit of moonlighting prior to stepping out, a friend calls me up and he was running a security company. He said,

do you, could you do a bit of bodyguarding for me? I went, sure. And it was Tom Cruise. So he was the first guy I looked after. I met Tom and I went, he's the deal. You know, this is what I can do. What do you want? And we worked. It worked good. I thought, this is okay. I could do this. Continue with the rest of my military career, you know, still trying to find my feet. And then I got asked, would you consider working with a family for security? And okay, long story short, I left the military. That's a great story to tell one day, how I left. But I left the military and ended up as the bodyguard for Brad and Angelina. And yeah, spent 17 months or so with them all over the globe, a little bit of time here

in LA, New York, Europe on different films and all that sort of stuff. So yeah. And then my life changed again. You know, actually Sean Penn, who is a very good friend of mine, invited me like he does, sends me a cryptic message to go to Barcelona. I'm like, for what? And he wouldn't tell me and long story short he got me a part in a movie called The Gunman I don't know if you've seen it you've got to watch it. I know about it. It's a good little movie. It's a good little movie and Philly is awesome. I don't act I'm not an actor I've got a script and I'm like what the forklift truck is this I'm like what am I supposed to be I. All of a sudden, you know, you've Aldous Alba and Mark Rylance and all these people. And I'm

like, okay. So we ended up in Barcelona. He gave me a script and I looked at it and I went, I wouldn't say that. He goes, well, what would you say? Fuck that script. I just did my own thing. And as you'll see, it's just me being me. And I enjoyed it. And you get to see me semi naked from the waist down. Yeah. Anyway, you have to watch it. So I got sort of introduced to going from this side of the camera to that side of the camera.

Then I got asked, would I do this show? Would I do that? I wasn't really interested. And then around about 2008 or 2009, a producer hounded me. He said, look, we've got this show called Unbreakable. We'd really like you to present it. I'm like, what is it? He says, it's about breaking people. I went, that wouldn't be too difficult. He went, no, no, no, you don't understand. I went, really? These are the fittest eight people in the UK, six men, two women. I went, right. And what do you

want me to do? He said, take them to the jungle and try and break them. I went, let me educate to something. SAS guys break in the jungle. I'll break them in. No, no, no, no. You don't understand. So we had gone back and forth and I was a little bit uncomfortable. I said, okay, no problem. So I went out to the jungle, British Guiana, never been to this place before, not done any wreckage, straight into the jungle. And I have a guess what? 14 minutes into it, I've broke all of them. And then I look at them and go, oh shit, now what do we do? I went, yeah, what do we do? And this program had to, you know,

this was the first episode, it was meant to last four days and I've smashed them all in 40 minutes. So then revive them all and then spend all day teaching them skills of living in the jungle and 20 minutes of each day screaming and shouting so they could get some footage. So it kind of put me off, you know, the fact that the producers weren't listening and it made me uncomfortable and put me in a vulnerable position because I nearly killed these people.

I thought, I don't like this. And then they got asked and asked, will you do this with, I didn't want to do it. All I wanted to do, if I was going to do anything in front of a camera again, was something with deprived kids. Where I go spend time with deprived kids, then take them into my world. I've always wanted to do it, you know, to try and give back and nothing really came off. But then I got asked,

a program's been put together called SES Who Dares Wins. And I won't bore you to death with that, but I got asked would I be part of the team, initial team to do that. And I looked at it and I thought, the title put me off. There was no real direction. They didn't know where it was going to go and so I said no. So the first episode went out in the UK, Foxy was actually on it and the second series it did well. I didn't watch it, I don't watch TV. The producers hounded me and said look we really wanted to come

on the show. I went well you don't even know me. Long story short he came to my house in Hereford after putting the phone down in London, sat and told me what it was all about and it's not about Ford DS, it's about the people, it's about giving back and then, well okay, yeah, that sounds something I would like. And that's where it started for me. So I did SAS UK, series two, and loved it. And then just went with it, kind of grew into what the program was, the program's, no one really knew still what it was about. Is it about just punishing people?

Is it about self-gain? What is it? And then I started to grow into the mirror rooms, I believe, is what the show's all about. It really gets to the core of what's behind you, what we can do to help, and how we grow. But initially, I hated it. I hated the mirror rooms.

I got so angry in there, I was about to punch people and all sorts of stuff. I didn't know where I was going, it turned into an argument. I was like, hang on a minute. But now I've grown with it and the programs evolved and I've learned what the program's all about. And then eventually the Americans came up across

and watched it and said, right, we copy this. They came back to the US and copied the show and called it selection. I think, and it failed. It just didn't work. And then later on, after Rudy got bought on towards the end, Rudy came across and replaced a guy that looked very much like Rudy actually. And then America got interest again.

And then we then formed special forces or Fox did. And, and that's where we are today. And I love it. And I love it because I get to make people like you cry. Yeah. I'll get to put, use all the experience and knowledge that we've had over the years to give somebody an experience. And I always say to make a better version of the cells and you can tell us what you

got from it. It's an experience I'll never forget. I remember the mirror room. It was the two of you in it and I I was definitely at my breaking point Oh, it was a point where you you you know, you guys were kind of first you were playing bad cop You were kind of playing a little nice cop. Yeah, you gotta be nice cop with this guy being remember off jump It was something like this brother and I was like damn you're boring me to death mate There's nothing about you you're boring me shut up you're boring me to and I'm like god so

then of course I'm like hey young man it's okay but then at the end I was like what the fuck man and Billy looked at me and he goes you can finish this if you want to you can do it. And at that moment, I was ready to be done. And as soon as he told me I could finish, I was like, I'm not quitting. And it's so wild, Nick. We always run it down on the first day.

We get no dossiers on anybody. We don't know any of the recruits. And that's part of the magic because we don't need to know them. We don't need to know their names. We don't need to know their brand. We don't need to know their brand. We don't need to know their work. We don't need to know because we're going to find out the real you. And they leave it up to us with our human intelligence background and our experience

background. And we sure enough get to the real thing with every single recruit. And it's, and it seems to really entertain audiences but that's not why we do it it's because they grow and when these people grow the audience grows too this show is really just beginning to bloom and it's for the people the recruits the mirror rooms really do it so really become a family show it is a lot of parents with young kids will come up to me and they're the ones who you you know, like you don't know who's watching it, but it's a lot of families.

Out of that middle room, you walk out of there standing tall. You've got the world off your shoulder, you've got a name now, you've got something to go for. But what took me a long time to realize is people watching that, indirectly, there's thousands of young kids, particularly, who will look and go, follow you.

You're their role model. I go, wow, if Nick can show his one, I can. And I can tell you now, and he'll tell you the night the show goes out, no sort of mirror room things are covered. Our phones got mental. It's a lot of young people who were in dark spaces. That's right. It really helps.

And I'll tell you what, it's a great feeling to know indirectly. That show is so therapeutic to so many people and you don't realize. And what it is, the way the world is today, let's all be honest, the world's upside down. It's a mess and people are looking at role models and direction. And that show is, as you know, it's real. It's not bullshit. It's, it's, it's brutal. It's so real. And for a reason. Now I'll go back to your interview. I already knew what I was going to, we watch you, we watch every single one of you. We're observing you always.

Very close. Every night, which you never show on the, don't really show on the TV. We'll sit in the mirror in the prayers as we call it prayers. We go, right, Nick, how's it, right, okay, these are the symptoms. This is where we think we're at. You were at break, I'll tell you now, you were about to quit. You physically, mentally, emotionally felt you're done. We knew you weren't done. And if we didn't do something, rock it up your arse to give you that last little to prove that you could go further, I think you probably wouldn't have got to the end. Oh no, yeah, I wouldn't have.

You were at that point. You felt you got enough out of it, which maybe you had, but for us we knew you had more. I used a tactic on you like my daddy did on me. The day I joined the army, my dad says, you'll be on me in no time. And he goes, he says, one thing that he said to me, which I don't tell a lot of people about, he said, what happens if you get injured? And I went, and I get injured? He goes, what happens if you get killed? And I went, then you bury me? He says, yeah, me and your mom, we bury you. And I went to bed that night thinking, I can't join the military. Geez, I can't put on my family.

And, but I thought, you know what? Fuck you. I'm going to prove to you. I can fucking do it. That was the rocket I needed up my ass. Every single day I wanted to quit. I followed those words. And he was at the end and my dad told me why he did it.

He says, because I had not done that to you. You'd had an option to come home and you'd have walked away and I would have. Slightly different, but I put, so I put that on you to want to kind of hate me to give you that last little spark, but two, cause we knew we had you, we had you, you were a front runner by that stage. Yes, you were. We thought you were going to, you were almost going to fall by the way.

Had we had been soft with you and going, you'd have probably gone, I'm done. You're missing your family. I think you were pregnant at the time. Yeah. We all have small voices that can turn into an excuse that we can say. It's a method in all our madness. I saw everyone. I saw it in myself.

You start like, you start being like, well, like you said, I, you know, it's not a big deal. Yeah. I don't want to get too hurt because I got to provide the excuse becomes a Like you start being like, well, like you said, I did it. You know, it's not a big deal. I don't want to get too hurt because I got to provide the excuse becomes a reason. And then the reason is your way out. And we can't do that, brother. We got to keep you guys in the fight. For you to walk away.

Totally. Oh, I mean, I, for you. Yeah. And for us, because we've got you to this point now, you need that last bit. And it weren't going to be a cuddly hey, come on. Get your ass out there and get on with it. Before we let you guys go, we were talking last night and you have five kids, right? Six.

Five daughters. Five daughters. Yeah. And you told a very personal story to me. I'd love if you could share that night at the bar and you got her pick you up. Well, I mean, it came about because we're talking about children and family and the most important thing in life is time

and you've got to make the most of it because we don't know how much we've got. It became very apparent to me, you know, after this particular night, the story Nick's talking about, so one night, it was only about five, six years ago, I'm in town with a bunch of military guys and friends in a pub having a few beers and

I like a lot of beer. And I'd had a few too many, so I couldn't drive. So I called my daughter up and I said, Kaylee, can you come and pick me up? Yeah, dad, no problem. So Kaylee comes down and I am a nightmare when we have drinks. I have a thing called one for the road and it's a long fucking road. So we drink for hours after. So my daughter's turned up, waiting to take me home and now three hours have

gone past because I'm still drinking. But what, and we're all having conversations. And we're talking about military stuff I've done and this and people go, how did you walk away from this and all these stories. She's outside in the car. She stood next to us in the bar waiting for me to leave. Quiet. Just listening.

So anyway, eventually we leave and we're in the car, she's driving me home and I'm kind of half drunk and I look at her and I can see tears running down her face and I'm like, I said, Kay, look, I'm sorry, I kept you three hours longer. And she just looked at me and says, no, dad, I don't know you. I've just realized I don't know you.

Me and my sisters and bro, we don't know you. I went, what do you mean? And she said, for three hours I've just heard stories about my dad that none of us know anything about. She says, I really feel, and I sobered up immediately and I thought, wow. Because I hadn't took the time, because of the life I had in the military, my life when I joined the SAS was constant war fighting for the whole time all over the globe.

I wasn't home a lot. And the time I was home, I didn't spend enough time with my kids and my family, which I wish if I could turn back time, I would. I'd change it. That's exactly what I would do. I could never really get that. But when she said those words to me, it sobered me up immediately. And I thought, wow, that led to me writing my memoirs down and actually writing a book. Because

I've been asked many times, write a book. I don't want to write a book. But I wrote my book, which I've given you my autobiography. I've cut out a lot of the military stuff. It's about who I was and why I was. And it's everything, water and all. Now, being a bad kid, being an asshole, failing. But that was the reason I did it that very night. You know, I went home, I sobered up in her car thinking about what she'd said to me. And she was right. The kids knew nothing about my life. And again, it led me to, we always say, let's do it tomorrow. And this is my lesson to never say let's do it tomorrow. Do it. If you're going to do something, fucking do it. I used to say to my father, my dad, when I joined the SES,

he made out he didn't know I was in the SES. He made out he didn't know anything about what I was doing. Well, actually he didn't, because we didn't tell him. I always said to him, when I got decorated by the queen and he turned up, and he's listening to why I'm getting this medal from the queen, and my dad's looking at my mom going, he did what? And mom's going, I don't know. He's never told me.

So he's listening to these stories. And I said, dad, I'll tell you. I'll come and have a beer with you and I'll tell you. I'll come down next week. Of course, next week comes by. I didn't go down. I didn't do it. So on and so forth.

And I never got around to doing it. Long story short, I got a phone call. Middle of the night, at the time my mom had cancer, so I was expected to die anyway. But my dad had died. So it was a complete shock to me anyway, but my dad had died. So it was a complete shock to me. Oh, whoa, my dad's died? And then three weeks later, my mom died.

And I never had the chance to sit down and tell them those stories. And it was really lived in my head when my daughter said that to me. So the importance of time and doing the right thing and spending and saying what you really want to say when you've got the opportunity to do it. That's what it was. Well, thanks for sharing that, man. It's a great story. It's a great lesson. And we could talk to you guys for hours. I know you guys need to get going. Thank you. It's an experience I'll never forget. And I hope people keep watching Special Forces because it's so fun to watch.

You learn a lot. It's great to watch with your family. And yeah, it's been, like I said, I'll never forget it. Thanks for having us, Nick. It's our pleasure. You're part of that brotherhood and family now. Yeah. Like the one lesson you'll take away from this

is the camaraderie of you guys. You met for the first time in this billet, all watching each other and wondering, and then all of a sudden that bond becomes really strong. And it'd be like that forever now. That's exactly like the military. Yeah. We keep in touch.

And we had, you know, Brody. Brody. It's almost like two different classes, but you know, they both went through their selection. There's already a bond right now. Yeah, of course. Yeah. For sure. That lunatic, crazy family run by the inmates.

That's right. Incredible. Well, we appreciate you guys. You're welcome. Likewise, mate. Keep doing great things, what you do. Likewise. Just plug the show.

When's it on? Okay, Special Forces World's Toughest Test tonight, Wednesdays on Fox. But all y'all workin' night jobs, get on Hulu the next day and you can catch it streaming. There you go. All right, see you later. All right, well, those guys are a trip.

Yeah, they have so many crazy stories. I feel like they- Oh my God, yes. I could just talk to them for hours. It's hard to believe that the stuff that they do is real. It's just crazy stories. Literal life and death, yeah. That's, like, Rudy didn't even,

Rudy was like a, he was a world champion kickboxer before he even entered the military it's like after he accomplished that anyways it's crazy but it's it's so it's so fun to have him it definitely brings me back all right well let's wrap up with a little southern hospitality uh this show's pretty good yeah yeah i'm locked in i feel like it it's emmy carrying emmy and will are carrying that's the only reason I'm tuned in, right? It's like, see the craziness of their relationship. It's never good when you have two bros telling you

how bad you are to your girlfriend. Yeah. Like, never. And the way that he just has- It usually doesn't happen. Usually the guys will like- Got you back, man, won't say anything. And they're like, yeah, I mean,

you're really a bad boyfriend. You said awful things, terrible. Also the way that, I mean, and maybe that's just the way he acts typically, but I feel like I'm so in tune with like everything Nick does that like the second he breathes differently, I'm like, are you okay? Is something going on?

Like, you know, and the way that he was being so weird sitting on that couch and she wasn't like, are you good? Like, what's going on? Why are you being so weird? Nothing. She just was like, anyways, give me a foot massage. The foot massage. But like, you could tell he never does it.

She was like, really? And it's like, we're not even questioning that? Like, you know, and tell me what you guys talked about and then all of a sudden now you're willing to rub my feet? I just don't even remember. It's just like, a long day. It's a long day. It's like.

I'm gonna go on a limb and say they don't end up together. Well, Will and Emmy did not show up to the premiere party. Both of them? Both of them didn't show up. But Emmy did clap back online on Twitter saying, guys, you're with the family, it was nothing, it was nothing. It was nothing.

I'm just saying, they're not built to last. They're not a four truck. These are two people on different pages. And if they do last, it's a bummer for Emmy. For love. And love. Yeah. Yeah.

Bravo one. Can we get into the Joe Bradley and TJ drama? Yeah, what do you think? I think TJ is messy. And I think what he did was really unfair to Joe Bradley. I mean, I think of how many people we talk to on the show. When is it me when he looks at my Instagram story? It's just like, if you have a crush on someone, you read into every little thing,

and I just think it's a little unfair for TJ to project his crush onto Joe, and then kind of softly accuse him, not even softly, accuse him of leaving. He went and told a bunch of people that he thought he was gay. There's that, and then saying he's let him on and things like that, and it's just like, you know,

Joe seems like he consumes alcohol a decent amount. Joey Bottles. Joey Bottles. In his words, he was blacked out. I mean, I've never blacked out, but I know I have friends who've blacked out, and they don't remember, they black out. They don't remember anything.

I mean, I have some friends in college where like they just became different people. He said he blacked out, but then he also said he remembered like rolling over and cuddling. So that's where it's like, there's a little bit of a discrepancy in both stories. But I feel like that whole such like him remembering that was probably him only remembering that

because TJ brought it up to him. Like I feel like maybe if TJ would have never said anything about it, then he would have never remembered that he rolled over and put his arm around him. But I think because TJ went to him and was like, you cuddled me last night. Then he's like, okay, well, the explanation for that is I was blacked out, I'm used to sleeping with a girl.

I like to cuddle. That doesn't mean anything. You're smirking. No, I'm not smirking. I don't believe in accusing people of what their sexuality is, and TJ is for sure messy, but I can also see that there might be a world where that friendship breakup in quotes

is more blown out of proportion than it would be if it was literally just a friend breakup. Yeah. There might have been some emotional connection. But that's from TJ's perspective though. Joe doesn't seem like he's a problem being his friend. Joe won't even stand next to TJ in a room. Maybe that's because TJ's gotten so fucking weird around him.

No, TJ's walked away every time Joe's come up to him and Will as they're talking and he tries and TJ walks off. But at Lake's lake house, even Joe's avoiding him in the pool. So I just see that there might be another world. Joe is really upset by this as well. But I'm also like TJ's made it very clear that he doesn't wanna be around Joe

and walking away from him and telling all of their mutual friends he wants nothing to do with him. So why after 15 attempts, why would Joe continue? He's gonna give him space and he's gonna stay over there while you're hanging out in the pool with my girlfriend. It can't be Joe be upset because he lost a friend.

Yeah, he can be. Yeah. He can be, yeah. Or also that maybe your friend wasn't who you thought they were because you had trust with them and then they're going around telling things about you that may friend? Yeah, he can be. He can be, yeah. Or also that maybe your friend wasn't who you thought they were because you had trust with them and then they're going around telling things about you that may not be true, that may or may not be true. What was the, where's the continuity in TJ telling Joe that he was in love with him?

It's season two, I haven't gotten there yet. But that changes my perspective a little bit of like, he knew TJ was crushing on him. So for me, I would pull back at that point if I wasn't interested. Yeah. Like that's where I know like, this is not a friendship to him. But. So for me, I would pull back at that point if I wasn't interested. Yeah. Like that's where I know like this is not a friendship to him. But the thing is like, I don't know where,

cause I'm already six or seven episodes in and it hasn't happened. So that's where I'm like, this sounds like this is something that happens towards the end of a season, which would make sense why we're opening up this season with them not being friends at all. I think TJ is real messy.

He's very messy. He's really messy. He's really messy. But there is something to, and this is not like excusing TJ is real messy. He's very messy. He's really messy. He's really messy. But there is something to, and this is not like excusing TJ's actions whatsoever, but I do think it does open up a very interesting relationship dynamic between like a gay person and a straight person

being that close in friendships. And like when feelings get involved, it gets complicated. Well, sure, anytime feelings get involved, purity gets complicated. But whether it's anytime feelings get involved, purity gets complicated. But whether it's a gay person, a straight person, or a man and a woman who are both heterosexual and one person thinks they're friends, oftentimes when a man and a woman

are seemingly platonic friends, there's often one person who feels a little bit differently about that, but the other person has the most pure of intentions and just wants to be their friend. They just don't think of them romantically at all. And the person who has feelings, they start getting weird. They, you know, they start thinking, I don't know if I can hang around them anymore because they have feelings. But like the person who just sees it as a

friendship, like, you know, what are they supposed to do? And again, they, they value the friendship. They could mourn the loss of a friendship. But just the way TJ delivers it is if Joe was supposed to do something differently and his big moment is a time in which Joe was blacked out, which is just like, okay, well, that's all you're going on. And again, it was just a cuddle. Is it that hard to believe that Joel rolled over, put his arm around whoever he was in bed with

and there's nothing to read into. I just also feel like we have to start normalizing, going directly to a person and having that conversation. Because the amount of drama and the amount of stuff where I'm like, hey, give it to me because I watch it. But I'm like, the amount of drama that's being created around a conversation that could have happened between two people come to a formal understanding.

And it sounds like there was a conversation to where TJ admits his feelings and Joe says he doesn't reciprocate. I don't know what the timeline of certain events are, but I'm like at that case, when somebody tells you who they are, what they think, what they feel, just believe that. Yeah.

It's also like why Maddie went to Emmy's house to be like, I need to tell her about this, and then didn't even say anything. And it's like, what are these people do? How can you say you're friends with these people if like you can't, the first thing I would do if I heard something about my friend is like, go directly to my friend and ask that question.

And it's like the way that none of these people can do that. And also it's so weird is that somebody did this to Maddie, I think it was actually Joe, did this to Maddie about her ex that was on the first two seasons, saying that, you know, he's back cheating, whatever it was, and she blows up. But it's like at the end of the day, yes, sometimes hearing things that you don't want to believe makes you angry and you react and you're like, and you're in denial.

But a friend that wants to tell you something, there's no friend that you should have that's close to you that's trying to just ruin your relationship to ruin your relationship. Like, I'm sorry, I heard a piece of information. I think everyone else is talking about it. You should also know about this. And there's nothing wrong with that. But at the same time, it's shoot the messenger. And then Nick, in your defense, I do see like,

TJ does, and I've only seen this season, look desperate, that he's reading into both Michael's and then also Joe Bradley. And he's making these into, I don't like you, but then I do like you, and now you're in the wrong, but like, I'm not in the wrong and I'm the victim, but then also you did me wrong. So it's like, he's just messing up at the end of the day.

Yeah, it's like when his feelings are hurt, He's immediately the victim in his own little world, but he's good TV He is good TV The my favorite the good character but bad character, you know Lisa Barlow plays a good character on TV Maybe not have the most good character of the human. Yeah Okay, also just like raises like a little bit of concern where? Emmy went up to Siobhan and was like pretty much just like, okay, like we're cool now. And it was just like, okay, I love you, I love you. Okay, bye.

And I was just like, you just blew up at your work. Also kind of fucked up of like to put them all in the same room. That too. Good TV. But then Michaels didn't want to be with Emmy. What bodies of water can be names other than, we got river.

Lake. Ocean. River. Ocean. Ocean. Cloud. Cloud. It's not a body of water. Well, it is technically a body of water. It is technically a body of water. Evaporated.

Evaporated water. Storm. Sea. Storm. I mean, technically the name, like mar is ocean in Spanish. So any like Maria, Mary, like it all comes from. Marsha. Marsha. Reservoir. Reservoir.

Everglades. Pond. That would be a beautiful name for a baby girl. Pond. Pond. No. Stream. Swamp. Swamp. Lagoon. Lagoon. Lagoon. Lagoon. Wait, lagoon by all?

Rain. River and lagoon. River and lagoon. Goonie. Rain. Rain. That's a lot of people who have an R, they do roads, river, rain, they're all in that. Bayou. Bayou.

Bayou. Beautiful. Bayou vile. Puddle. Puddle. Abyss. Abyss. Abyss.

Abyss. A fjord. A pacific. If Bjork can be named fjord. Atlantic. Atlantic. A viz. A fjord. A pacific. If Bjork can be named fjord. Atlantic. Atlantic is cute. Drought. Atlantic, well that's pacific.

That's cute though, pacific by all. Mississippi. Waterfall. I can't hear how much I enjoyed that. Waterfall. Waterfall is cute. Yeah. That's too long.

Is that the first name or is that a first in middle name? Fish tank. Waterfall. Fish tank. middle name? Fish tank. Waterfall. Fish tank. Estuary. Fish tank. Aquarium.

Aquarium. Aquarium is good for it. Stream could be cute. Stream. Brackish, that's what you call a mix of salt and fresh water. Mist. Mist. Misty.

Fog. Breeze. Okay, I feel like this conversation is dying. I like, I do like Lake. I think she's really cool. Misty fog breeze. Okay Like I do like Lake I think she's really cool she is cool. Yeah, her family's She's rich as fuck. She's well traveled like cuz she's rich as fuck. She's rich as fuck. She's like, yeah I just like studied art. Also her art pretty good It's not bad and I wouldn't say that if I didn't believe it if I'm gonna spoil my kids It's gonna be giving them opportunities to go abroad.

Yeah, like that's- It will not be buying them cars after their name. She's being rich correctly. Have you ever seen the movie Taken? Okay. Bodyguards. Billy. Billy.

We got a guy. All right, well that will do it for this episode. Thank you to our special guests, Mayim Bialik and Billy and Rudy. Make sure to check out our special Going Deeper episode with Brody Jenner that came out yesterday. Also, check out reality recap on Tuesday if you haven't. It's a wild, wild episode.

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