The Viall Files - E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

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She's a cowgirl. I firstly, I first didn't care. I was like happy for Beyonce. And then I did start seeing some videos of people listening to songs on the album. Cherry picking, as you will. Maybe so. That's definitely as the internet does. Yeah.

The internet is. Yeah, I guess it would like you get, you know, country song of the year. But yeah, if they're not all country songs on that album, how do you get country album? There was definitely, there was definitely at least some, some videos I saw, certainly cherry picked that I was like, oh, yeah. Okay. Well, you know, I'm a stat queen. I love stats.

So I have some stats about it. Self-proclaimed. So the argument, self-proclaimed stat queen here. The argument for Beyoncé's Cowboy Carter being a country album is she's from Texas, country state. I'm from Wisconsin. But Texas. I don't know if we necessarily claim Texas as like... But it's cowboy.

Rodeo. Listen, she's making an argument. Okay, I have against arguments as well. I'm unbiased Texas road. Mary is unbiased I'm unbiased has banjo in it. There is a banjo in the song sweet honeybuckin which first off called sweet honeybuckin Beyonce says look at that horse. Look at that horse, look at that horse. Horses, big themes in country music. That's true. Dolly Parton, Willie Nelson, and Shaboosie on the album. Willie Nelson. Willie Nelson. Willie Nelson.

Also, even though Beyonce never released a country music before, neither did Post Malone, and now he has one too. Also, she has a song about alligators, which to my southern culture is country. The argument against. It's more like swampy. Swampy, but swamp is country.

Don't you have one on your farm? Don't you have one on your farm? It doesn't sound like country. You ever drink a bush light, riding on a boat through the Everglades? That's country. And you see an alligator right there? What is a bush light?

A bush light? A little John boat, yeah. A little bush lot there. It's definitely country. Those people are definitely listening to country music. Exactly. But how many songs total are on album? How many songs total are on album?

Let's see. The album? What's our? On the Cowboy Harder. On album. On record. We speak in shorthand these days. One of the songs is called American Requiem.

27. 27? That's actually a lot of songs. So many. Okay, I will say That's actually a lot of songs. That's so many. I will say, and it's an art piece. If there's 12 songs that are fully country, it's a country album, because my God.

Here's the argument against. Beyonce has not previously released a country album. Don't care about that. She's experimenting with the genre. She raps in spaghetti, but that is spaghetti western. It's one of the songs. Yes. Yeah, but like country, you know, country.

Jason Aldean has wrapped in dirt road anthem. Yeah, for George Lionhead, Nelly and a bunch of. Yes. The album overall does combine many genres, which is the point of it. So it's kind of a genreless album by design. Well, then how do you win a genre award if it's a genre less album?

Exactly. And then also, and maybe the most important part, country musicians typically drive big trucks and drink a lot of beer with songs focusing on these two things. Beyonce does neither of those things in the album. Does she have a dog? I don't know. See, kind of need a dog. Kind of need a dog.

You need a dog. You need a lifted four wheeler. You need a hitch. Does Daisy a dog. You need a dog. You need a lifted four wheeler. You need a hitch. Does Daisy have a lifted truck? Maybe one. I say this as a total outsider because I definitely have embraced country music over the past couple years,

but I'm definitely not part of the gang. I would love to be welcomed, but I don't think I'm really in a position to be like- You make yee haw, but you don't haw yee. Yeah, sure. Who were our other nominees? The other nominees. That's a good question.

Kacey Musgraves, I think Shibu was the. Kacey Musgraves. Was Post Malone Country album of the year nominees. I just feel like for the longest of times, country music was excluded from all the other award shows. It's like country music wasn't even welcomed Country music was excluded from all the other award shows. Country music wasn't even welcomed at the Grammys or the AMAs and stuff like that.

So they created their own industry, and now that it's poppin', all the other musical geniuses wanna get a part of the nookie, you know? Well, Cowboy Carter goes back to 2016 when Beyonce performed with the chicks at the CMAs and the Dixie chicks. They rebranded to the chicks. Yeah. Yeah.

After they got canceled by the country music. Well, they didn't get canceled for that. But anyway, so 2016 CMAs, Beyonce and the chicks performed daddy lessons off of Beyonce's Lemonade, which is a country song and And that performance, banger. Kenny Chesney and many other people, pissed about it. They're so mad Beyoncé's there. Beyoncé takes that personally, a la Michael Jordan.

And she makes Cowboy Carter and then wins best country album. Michael Jordan. And I took that personally. Okay. Wait, so who else was, who else was nominated? We have Cowboy Carter, obviously, Hired by Chris Stapleton, Deeper Well, Kacey Musgraves, Banger Album, F1 Trillion, Post Malone, Whirlwind, Lainey Wilson.

I'm gonna be honest, if Chris Stapleton is in the mix, how is he not winning? But would you not say he's more Southern Rock? No. No. Kacey Musgraves. Kacey Musgraves, also great. This sounds like Beyonce won this award because she's Beyonce.

Or is it because Chris Stapleton didn't have a banjo in his album? Chris Stapleton has a banjo in his heart. Chris Stapleton has had a banjo out of the womb. Yeah. Yeah. Chris Stapleton was born with a banjo. Post Malone though. On a trailer hitch.

F1 Trillium. F1 Trillium. Post Malone goes from trap to country, and that's okay. Have you seen Post Malone's first musical video? It's awesome. Musical video? Okay. Music video?

Okay. Performance? Aw. That's sweet. Thank you. You're welcome. That's giving Bronwyn saying emotional manipulative. Nick Zossa's still saying it's a bop.

Aw. We're not calling songs a bop? No. We can. What are the kids saying? Crunk. Please don't say crunk. No, I'm not being, that's so crunk.

Not Mary sabotaging. Yeah, please don't. Yeah, say crunk. People that say bop think that Monday is the first day of the week. Ooh. Leia thinks Monday is the first day of the week. Monday is the first day of the week.

It's not. I think you guys are dominated by the work week. I also think Monday is the first day of the week. Ooh. Leia thinks Monday's the first day of the week. Monday is the first day of the week. It's not. I think you guys are dominated by the work week. I also think Monday's the first day of the week. Sunday. But it's just not. But it is. Look on your calendar. It's such a Gen Z thing to say.

I'm just gonna decide what it is for me because it makes my feelings. No, it just is what makes sense. Like you're what you're doing on the weekend and then, oh, Monday is the start of your week. You're like, oh, let me get my shit, we're going into work. But if you look at the count.

You're still smoking weed on Sunday. And like you say that like, oh, it's the weekend. Okay, well, if it's the weekend, it can't be the first of the week. That's like someone working third shift saying 5 p.m. is the morning. To them it is. To sure.

But also you're saying that the week starts on Monday because you have a Monday through Friday job Some people work on the weekends. Boom. Also open up your calendar app What day of the week starts the week? Who invented the calendar app? According to most Western calendars Sunday is considered the first day of the week however, the international standard ISO 8601 Oh my god, I don't care about that. As it meets Monday as the first day of the week. That sounds like nerds think Monday is the first day of the week.

Freaking nerds. Grimes' baby eyes. Have you ever heard of the Sunday Scaries? It's because your week has already started. Yep. No, that's because your weekend's over and you're going into the first day of the work week. So you just said the weekend's over

so the beginning of the week is Sunday. At 12 o'clock. Because you have Sunday Scaries. At 12 o'clock AM, it's over. Weekend's over. So you have Sunday's scary, because you're like, no, I'm scared. You're a Monday?

Monday is the beginning of the week. And Monday is my favorite day of the week, because it's like, well, actually not really anymore. It used to be for sure. She used to say that when she like. It used to be because that was the day that I. That I disagree with. When she was in the industry, you know?

Well, that was my favorite surgery day. Okay, you made that sound. I loved. Industry sounded kind of ominous. Like I was like, what, you know? Well, that was my favorite surgery day. Okay, you made that sound. And so I loved, yeah. Industry sounded kind of ominous. Like I was like, what, sitting on a couch? Casting couch. Oh my God. Why was Monday the best day for surgery?

Because it was my favorite. I was doing orthopedics and it was my favorite surgery day. And so I was like, Monday's my favorite day of the week. And Nick was like, I've never heard that before. That's so stupid. I said stupid? I think so. And then now I'm like, okay, it's not.

And you're like, yeah, you used to say that because you used to want to be like different and quirky I'm not like all the other girls. Maybe you just like other girls. I love Monday. She's so interesting my girlfriend No the girl that I'm refusing to date is so cool Your girlfriend is a little bit younger than you but yeah, don't worry. She thinks Monday is the coolest day of the week What day of the week do you think Reese withers? I'm different. I think 4AM is the best time to get up because you get so many things done before you start

your day. Exactly. I like to work out at 4AM. Well, we have an amazing episode. What? I was just going to circle us back to the Grammys for a second because I wanted to say justice for Babyface. Yeah, we forgot to talk about that on, well, Tuesday's episode.

I think most people have seen this by now, but did those ladies get fired? No, but I think most- They didn't? Well, I don't know, but most people also haven't seen that they apologized right after too. So what? They did apologize immediately. Because people are clipping them interrupting it and not giving the context of, like,

so when she apologized, she was like, I just want to formally say, like, I'm really sorry to Babyface and like the people watching, like I was being tapped on the shoulder and a lot of people were saying like, chapel, chapel, chapel. So it was like, she was kind of pressured to then like, interrupt it and she immediately was like,

I'm sorry, that wasn't like. But then she tried to defend it with like, I'm such a big fan of babyface and it's like. Okay, name your top five babyface songs. No, but it's just like, you can't say you're a fan and like get your way out of things just because it's like. Okay, name your top five Babyface songs. No, but it's just like you can't say you're a fan and like get your way out of things just because you're like such a big fan of them. Someone deserves to get fired.

Maybe it wasn't them. I mean, they're getting death threats online. So it's like. That's too far. I've seen a lot of comments and stuff where it's like they were just doing their jobs and maybe they did it wrong because someone was tapping on their shoulder.

But like. It's definitely possible that it's not their fault. Like, doing those red carpet interviews are- they're hard. It's like, it's live, it's in real time, it's very fast, you have people coming in and out, like sometimes you're reading a teleprompter, which, phew, for me, that's a nightmare. But yeah, you have producers and cameramen all around you, that you got like someone in your ear, like literally you have a phoning mic in your ear,

so like, but someone deserves to be fired. Maybe not those two ladies, because it may be, like maybe someone was like, hey, it's Chappell, like get Chappell, Chappell, Chappell, Chappell, Chappell, Chappell, Chappell, Chappell, Chappell, Chappell, Chappell, and they're like, okay, like, you know, and they were listening to someone, but whoever made that call deserves to be fired.

Must, they have to be. Like, also then it puts like Chapp Chapel in such a bad look, right? Because like, all the Babyface fans, like you know, there's some asshole out there like blaming Chapel for this. I think that's what I saw, was that it was like people were like, pitting that, where it's like,

no, she did not do any, she literally was just existing. But like someone, whoever, like Babyface was in a mid-sentence. He was just like, hey, what's your favorite day of the week? And he was like, let me tell you why Monday is. And he was just getting into like point three, and they just like, get the fuck out of the way. It was rude.

He was so respectful about it though. He was. Every time he closes his eyes. What are you supposed to do though? Like, well, Babyface, he couldn't like be like, I'm talking. No, I loved how he handled it. He handled it very graciously. Yeah, the reporters need to ask him, when can I see you again? So true.

Sorry, we're throwing around baby face references. My mom loves baby face. Is there any chance, no, that would be somehow blaming Chapel. A collaboration? What? Well, Chapel has been proven to be a bit prickly on the red carpet. So like maybe they were just like, oh, this is our only moment to get Chapel.

Cause like, well, whatever she doesn't come up. Then they don't get Chapel. Oh yeah, I get it. I feel like it's more so she would have been like, don't scream my name like that in front of babyface. Yeah. Don't scream at me on the carpet. Chapel, Chapel.

In front of babyface. Chapel, Chapel. That made me so angry. Sorry, she couldn't hear us because we didn't want to yell. We were whispering. Anyway, we got a great episode for you lined up today. But before we let you know all about that, don't forget to listen to the Going Deeper episode

with Carl Racky. That dropped yesterday for all you Summer House fans out there or just Bravo fans in general. Really enjoyed getting to know Carl. It was a lovely, lovely interview. I really appreciate it, especially when we think someone might be too afraid to come on. I think he was very open, vulnerable, honest.

I really feel like I got to know the guy. I have so much respect for him. And he looks great. He looks fantastic. Very tall. He's really been through a lot. Very tall. Certified hot.

I was waiting for the married woman to say it. You wanna jump Carl's bones? Did you not? No, well he's not jumping his bones. Objectively hot. He's hot. He told me he liked my Steelers jacket because he's from Pittsburgh and I was like, okay.

Okay. He was so kind and so sweet. I think we all got a little like, okay, hi, Carl. A lot of comments were confused by like his, his jean cut on the bottom. Cause it was like yoga, but also kind of boot cut, but also like flair. It was a little flair.

It was a little fashion. Yeah. It wasn't bags. It was a flair. But also skinny jean-ish. It was skinny, skinny, skinny, skinny flair. But isn't it like kind of hard for tall guys to shop? Isn't he, wasn't he like known as like skinny jean queen? Yeah.

Yeah, so he was a cuffs. I say good for him for branching out. And that's without a girlfriend. Mm-hmm, period. But he is fucking. He is fucking, well. He gets into all that in that episode. Yeah, I gotta say, I get, you know,

I give a lot of credit to a middle-aged man, I say that as one Yeah, I gotta say, I give a lot of credit to a middle-aged man, I say that as one myself, who got away, got outside of the skinny jeans without a girlfriend. You didn't. I know. No. Exactly.

It took you shaming me. She said, what are those? Still? She's like, woo, those are tight. They're still. Those are tight. I can see your veins through your jeans. We should probably change. Only one of us.

And I got big old meaty thighs and sometimes. Nick has a booty and yeah. Sometimes it was like. You don't need to look like a gymnast. Yeah, he was. It's giving Simone. It was a pair of like tights for sure. I was sticking it.

I'm just imagining you in those jeans. Well, Maddie Reese from Southern Hospitality is joining us in a little bit. And then Rebecca Minkoff from Rony will be joining us. We started watching The Reunion. We gave up on the rest of the season, but started on The Reunion. Sometimes that's all you need to do. I was like, the season was so slow that I'm like, I think the reunions were so good that by the end

of the second reunion, I was like, I actually don't want any of the cast members to be replaced and I'm kind of curious to see what happens next. Ooh. Right? We've been excited to talk to Rebecca. I didn't know what to expect going into like booking her. And then we watched last night's episode.

I wasn't anticipating like asking much about the Scientology. It feels a little even uncomfy to say, you know? Cause a cloud would be like- Scientology in the room with us? Yeah, anyway, we were like, hey, listen, we're not that interested in, you know, I'm not here to interrogate people about their religion. We don't talk about religion on this show.

But then she walked out and it was just ten minutes of them talking about Scientology, so I don't really know where we go with this. So we shall see. My big thing is a someone who's raised Catholic I have a lot of great experiences from growing up Catholic great memories, but I can acknowledge that the Catholic Church is a Has their sins and there's some people But I can acknowledge that the Catholic Church has their sins and there's some people in positions of power in the Catholic Church who don't deserve to be or who have done some very terrible things.

And I can acknowledge that as a Catholic person. And I think sometimes the struggle people have with Scientology is that like, there are some serious accusations about people in that community and people have some questions. And when these people have these questions, they're like, we have no idea. And when people have these questions, they're like.

It's really helped me with my communication skills. I can give you a book recommendation and you should read it for yourself and see what conclusions you come to. So it's like, it's a little tricky. Anyways, we have Rebecca Minkoff on later and we'll see how it goes. She seems like a really nice person though.

She does. And I do have some questions about like, how she feels about the cast after the fact and. It seems like they hate her. Well, and it was also announced that she's not coming back or that she was fired from this cast of Rony. That was not a group of women who think she's boring. And they may think she's boring,

but when she walked out there. That's true. On that reunion, they all hated her. And then when they got done roasting her and then like blaming her for the prank, they were just like, all right, you can leave now. And then- It was kind of awesome.

But it felt very mean. Yeah, it was. It felt mean, girl. It was very mean. It felt mean. She deserves some empathy. Is it because of Scientology? I just, I think it's a mixture of things.

I think it's also the fact that like she wasn't as forthcoming or open about the Scientology, but also because it's like, there was the clip where she wasn't as forthcoming or open about the Scientology, but also because there was the clip where she said she was using this as a platform to promote her business. So I'm like, maybe she wasn't being as forthcoming and authentic even in downtime moments. I don't understand how people can be upset with her

for not sharing about Scientology when Jenna Lyons doesn't open up about anything. Fair point. Yeah. So it's like, this is a religion to her. Why does she have to open up about anything. Fair point. Yeah. So it's like this is just like this is a religion to her. Why does she have to open up about her religion in general? I doesn't have to open up about any personal parts of her own life. And piggybacking off of what you just said, I'm also kind of like, I feel like there's so many other conversations that could have been had with her about her family,

about her, I know nothing about her relationship, her kids, how she grew her business. So I'm like, there's a lot that could have been shared that also wasn't and nobody wanted to explore outside of. Right. I feel like it's in Voldemort. That's where I think she needs empathy. And I agree where she said, like, I was used for a storyline specifically for something

and that this was not the place for me to even share what I believe because it was immediately regardless of what I would say, be criticized. Right. Yeah. We have some questions for her. Yeah, I do think, I think Bravo did use her.

I agree. So I'm excited to chat with her. But that's what housewives do. That's what I do think I think Bravo did use her. I agree. I'm excited to chat with her. But that's what housewives do. That's what they do. And it's like. I know, but they used her not like they use everyone else. You're right about the Jenna Lyons thing. Jenna Lyons gets a pass that's certainly irritating me.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I loved her this reunion, though. I was like, I haven't heard her speak up and like kind of combat with other people, be compatible with other people the way that she was this way, where she was like even with Brynn or anybody, she was like, no, this is inherently wrong. So it was like, it was nice to hear her speak up and actually have an opinion on things.

Oh, well, we'll get into Rony a little bit later when we have Rebecca on. We also have Maddie Reese from Southern Hospitality excited to chat with her. What is this Reese Witherspoon stuff? So basically, Reese Witherspoon did an interview with People where she said that she mistakenly roasted her friend at a very serious award ceremony.

She said, it literally haunts me. This friend of mine who I didn't really know that well, but she was a very serious, proper actress, she asked me to give her an award. I had never been to this award ceremony. I thought it was like a roast, so I got up and I roasted her. She said the event was British, elegant, and classy, so it's the BAFTAs, and that she got the tone completely wrong while cracking jokes in her speech.

Apparently, Reese said in her speech, remember that time we got laser hair removal? And she is still embarrassed about it. And the actress is no longer friends with her and stopped talking to her afterwards. People thought it was Kate Winslet. Reese then posted on her Instagram story and said it's not Kate Winslet.

And you think it's Kate Blanchett. I mean we don't spread rumors on this show so. Well we can speculate, I mean Reese is putting it out there. That's true. Maybe a Kate Blanchett, I don't know. Kate Blanchett, but Kate Blanchett I feel like has a good sense of humor. And it says that she was presented to Kate Blanchett

at the Golden Globes, that's. A famously non-classy event. This can't be hard to figure out. I mean the only one I'm seeing right now is Kate Winslet at the BAFTA's 2007 but I wonder if people just figured it out so fast that Reese's like nope. No No, yeah, yeah She's definitely like like she didn't think anyone would figure it out and then they did Oh, no, it's happening again. Now Kate Winslet really hates her because everyone loves Reese Witherspoon

and the way she tells the story from her POV, even I'm kind of like, kind of get over it, Kate. But then maybe from the other POV, it's like you worked really hard in this really serious dramatic role. No, no, I get it. And this girl that you don't know super well, this American Southern woman comes in

at this British award show, everyone's really stuffy, and then starts talking about laser hair removal. You're like, oh my God. Why isn't Reese getting notes? Why is Reese winging it? Why isn't anyone being like, hey? Just go up there and say what you feel. Yeah, I don't know.

Do you have a speech? Should we put on the teleprompter? No one was like, oh my God, she's just. Go to her room. We don't do that here. Yeah, I don't know. I've never watched the BAFTA. Is she referencing her vagina?

My whole thing is that I'm like, all you could have said was, it was not an award show at some point or a very fancy ceremony, but like you literally gave like, it's a British elegant award ceremony. Just say the person's name, Reese. It's Googleable.

You gave us all the hints. Say it with your chest. I wouldn't be mad. Stars are just like us. Marcus Jordan, apparently just really upset he's not on Traders anymore, got a DUI. He rested for cocaine possession and was singing on his way to jail.

Not connected to Traders. Not connected to Traders. Well, I was speculating, you said, because Marcus Jordan was on Traders last season with his ex-girlfriend, Marissa. This is a fear for us, darling. What is a fear for us? I'm just saying, I think we work really hard

and aspire to be good people and be the leaders in our lives. And we both come from a lack of privilege in a lot of ways in our upbringing, and I think that has shaped us. But we've also made mistakes in life, and maybe this is just Marcus Jordan making a mistake in life. I don't know. Yeah, sure. Yeah. But you know, his dad is a billionaire. But that doesn't mean he can't make mistakes.

True, true, true. I'm just saying. I mean, I definitely think anyone who is getting arrested for a DUI deserves... Criticism? 100%. Yeah. I mean, you're putting other people's lives at risk you're you know I didn't think you know you know it's just it's tough to it's it's it's tough to be very successful. He admitted to drinking at a gentleman's club earlier in the evening, did not undergo a breathalyzer test, did not perform well on the three-filled sobriety test after he was placed under arrest. Jordan had his pocket search with cops reportedly finding a substance testing positive for cocaine.

He was reportedly singing the entire way to jail. Page six confirmed that Marcus' bond was set at $4,000. That's it? That's it? You get arrested for DUI and cocaine and they're like, yeah, sure, four grand. I mean, it's also Florida. Probably possession.

State by state, I was like here at minimum 10,000 just for like the first offense. It was in Orange County, Florida, which is like Orlando. Do you think he calls his dad? He's 34 years old. Dad, I just got arrested, can you bail me out? I'm sure he calls his dad's assistant. Yeah. Yeah, one of them.

Jim, I did it again. Can you come get me? That's what I mean, to be singing on the way to jail, like you're not worried about anything. Sarah Michelle Geller is returning as Buffy the Vampire Slayer in a reboot. Very excited about this. Did you watch it?

They really shaped me as a young man. Really? Who's your favorite? Buffy. Okay, well besides Buffy, obviously. I honestly don't, I didn't watch it like a lot. I probably wasn't allowed to at the time of my life, but I did have the hots for her. Sarah Michelle Geller or Jennifer Love Hewitt?

Jennifer Love Hewitt. Was it? Okay. In her hey it? Okay. In her heyday? Yeah. Wow. I just think it was funny that she said, it's funny, I always used to say no to the reboot

because it's in a bubble and it's so perfect, but watching Sex and the City, meaning watching and just like that. That made her wanna do it? Yes. And Dexter. And Dexter, cause Dexter's getting a reboot. Uma Thurman's gonna be in it.

Dexter has had a reboot. It's getting another one. Another one?man's gonna be in it. Dexter has had a reboot. It's getting another one. Another one? Huh? He's still, he's still. I think it's an origin season. Or like an origin story. Well, the origin season's out already.

Okay. And that's Christian Slater. There's another one? There's another one with Uma Thurman. I'll tell you what, as someone who was a big Dexter fan back in the day, and then it really fizzled out, and then they did like, the new, the one where he came back, that was okay.

That was a pretty good season because the last season of Dexter was terrible. And then one where he like came out and he was like, it was years later. And they're like, you know, they kind of like, let's redo the ending. That was pretty decent. But this kind of now where it's just like younger Dexter,

it hasn't really popped, let's just say. They keep trying to bring out Dexter stuff and none of it really pops. Well, it looks like Michael C. Hall is returning as Dexter Morgan June 2025 and Dexter resurrection Thurman is playing the head of security for a mysterious billionaire. Oh, I love an Uma Thurman project Oh, she's gonna be a killer. He's well, I already know the ending He kills Uma a foremost a former special ops officer who works for the billionaire Leon Vader. He's, well, I already know the ending. He kills Uma. Oh yeah. A former special ops officer who works

for the billionaire Leon Rader. He's gonna kill her. What are your guys' favorite reboots? Do you have one? I guess The Hills. The only one that watched The New Beginning. The one or two seasons that existed of it. The one season they came back.

Has a reboot worked? I liked the Chucky reboot with Hobby Plaza, but no one else did. Again, so has a reboot worked? I mean, but Chucky's on, it's like what, fourth season? Chucky worked. Oh, there like the Chucky reboot with Hobby Plaza, but no one else did. Again, so has a reboot worked? I mean, but Chucky's on it's like what fourth season? Oh, there's the Chucky TV show, but that's horror. I don't think horror counts. Sutton was in the TV show.

Is that really a reboot? Jennifer Tilly. Well, horror is always repeating itself. So I feel like that doesn't count. I love in just like that as well. You do? Yes. She's alone.

It feels like a Muppet TV show. Now I tried to watch it and I was like, It's horrible. Let me preserve what I love. My brain cells. Yes. Real Jen questions what's going on with Paige and Craig. Dude.

I think it's clear. It's clear, but like the story just keeps escalating. That's the thing. It presented as clean and civil, it's becoming less than. No, it makes pretty clear sense to me. But there's- They broke up in November at Thanksgiving.

Okay, I didn't know that. Yep, they broke up Thanksgiving weekend. They were like, let's just like, they did what no one else is clearly doing in the social media celebrity platform world, a la Matt James, Rachel, Zach Brian, Brown, Jake Fry. And they took some time, right? They were like, we're not gonna announce it.

Let's just like process, whatever. Went on Watch What Happens Live back in December. And it was that whole thing where they played the montage in Southern Charm and on Watch What Happens Live about how he's notorious for lying in the past, to which he responds, like, I never lie. Come to find out Page releasing this,

saying that the whole time he was talking about the plans him and page had for Christmas like knowing that they were broken up So it kind of like points out the fact that it's like no you were actually in the act of lying During this watch what happens live while being called the liar and saying you never lie I think that's probably more so him being on a national TV show put on the spot and him and his girlfriend are broken up They haven't announced it to the world and they're asking what his plans are with his girlfriend and he's like, oh yeah, we're gonna just be at my house. He's like, is this the place to announce that we're broken up?

I feel like had he gone and watched What Happens Live and been like, well actually we're broken up, the internet would have crucified him and accused him of something very similar to what Matt James, which is just like, well did Paige know what you were gonna say? And then Paige could go out and be like, I had no idea he was gonna tell everyone,

and I was at dinner when my phone started blowing up, and Page Six started releasing articles that we were broken up, and like, WTF. It kinda sounds like no matter what, someone was gonna be unhappy, because at the end of the day, now she's going on clarifying that she agreed with Craig to not talk about it.

She saw pictures of him out on a New Year's trip and was like, well, if we're gonna be presenting single, I'm going to announce it. And then he never responded to that text that she sent him saying she wanted to announce it. And then also Kyle and Amanda, they did an interview where they were like, he should have stood up for her

when all these rumors were coming out of like infidelity and stuff. And then he unfollowed, Craig unfollowed Kyle and Amanda. I think Craig's stance on that was like, I'm just not talking about the breakup at all. I think he was like, I'm gonna say my one piece and then I'm not gonna continue talking about it. And I mean, I don't know, I think it's valid on both sides.

It's like, seems pretty. It's just like starting to get like, when Kyle and Amanda, when other people are giving their opinion, like clearly at first, they were trying to like civil, and non-drama, but it's giving, people are trying to win the breakup. They do keep leaking. Well, I think friends just wanna be involved.

Friends wanna make headlines. Friends wanna, and people ask friends, because they know. They do get asked, yes. Yeah, I also get it, because I feel like it's relatable. I've gone through a breakup, and then when I started dating or something, I didn't post about it or anything like that

because it was just like out of respect for the past relationship I was trying not to, but I'm also kind of like, it's a little delusional, I guess in the sense of being two people that are public figures on shows that are airing right now that it's like, and people were speculating about the breakup. Someone's gonna get hurt regardless, it's breakup.

Someone's feelings are gonna get hurt, someone's not gonna handle it the right way. Someone's gonna do something that pisses someone. It's a breakup, but you can't handle it perfectly. So the fact that it's like under speculation. I don't know why they're coming for Craig though. I think it's just, I don't know. I think the whole thing was she should have just,

I'll break up, just rip the bandaid off. I don't know, Miss Pat's coming for Paige though, because Miss Pat responded to a clip of the podcast where Paige was talking about it and said, watch her on the next episode of Southern Charm, which is like, yeah, they didn't, they weren't broken up when they were filming, of course she's in the show. It's gonna be weird. Yeah. I feel it could be weirder for them personally. I'm like, you have to like watch your relationship disintegrate, I guess. Well, Taylor thinks her, Craig and for them personally. I'm like. Because they have to watch it back. You have to like watch your relationship disintegrate,

I guess. Well, Taylor thinks her Craig and Rachel should date. As like the internet. But she asked like. She was asked. She was asked if she saw like the whole blow up event. She's like, well, I thought she, like Rachel's a sweet girl. Like Craig should, you know.

Oh, so, okay. And then she went on to just say like, Craig's probably with the next person gonna settle down because he's gonna look for someone that's actually ready to. Yeah. I'm not questioning the both. That makes a lot of sense.

Denise Richards, her new show trailer, did you see it? Yes. What is it called again? Denise and the Wild Things. And her Wild Things. Her Wild Things. It's a great title. It's a good title, yeah.

Do you think how many of the Beverly Hills Housewives are jealous? Because she has her own show. She was able to get a spin-off, that's like she's the focal point of. They used half the cast of Beverly Hills. Yeah, a lot of people were saying, what's the point of doing it if they're all on her show? Like, just bring her back to Beverly Hills Housewives,

but it's like. No, it's like Denise is in control. I love it. I respect it. She's the focal point. She said, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. And they said, here's a show. Yep.

Yeah. I'm really happy for you. When does that come out? March 4th. March 4th. When does The Valley come out? Unclear. T, B, D. Bravo's been doing this thing recently where they're like, I'm really happy for you. When does that come out? March 4th. March 4th. When does the Valley come out? I'm clear.

They... TBD. Bravo's been doing this thing recently where they're like coming soon. And it's them announcing it, but then it doesn't come out for like another four or two months. But you don't know until... When did it come out last year? March 19th, 2024. So maybe it'll be March again.

Yeah, the teaser for the season was released January 17th. The first look was released on February 27th and the premiere date was announced March 19th. So three months? Three months? No. We'll probably know two weeks before it airs. That's what they did with Beverly Hills. I'm going to guess May.

I'm excited. I love the valley. And I also saw a photo that Kristen posted yesterday and she just looks great and I just love her. I always love to give a shout out to Kristen. In other Beverly Hills news, Lisa Rinna has addressed Lisa Vanderpump's rumored return to Beverly Hills during a podcast appearance. Lisa said, I heard that Vanderpump might return. They're always looking to save the show. They know it's

the Titanic. I'm just gonna say it and we all know it's the fucking Titanic. And so I would imagine that they're courting the shit out of Vanderpump right now, because like, who else? They know I'm not going back. Has she been asked? She said she has, and I mean, people have been saying bring back some of the OGs. Rhonda's not an OG, but she was like an iconic housewife. Well, I mean, I will say after last night's episode.

It is turning into a snooze fest. You want somebody to smash a wine glass and hold it up and say, never talk about my husband like that again. Started with this whole montage of PK and Dorit. It was kind of sad. But why? Because PK then told the girls at Kathy Hilton's little tea party or whatever

that he's threatening to sue her for full custody. He's gonna pull all of his money. I mean like. Wants her to be able to afford the house on her own, the whole thing. And it's like, oh the whole 10 years in California thing, I just learned about this this year, so I thought it was interesting.

It ended up on Beverly Hills. But it's like in California, when you make it past 10 years in a marriage, it doesn't matter if you had, what are the things you signed, pre-nups, all that stuff. Everything is 50-50 communal property if you had, what are the things you signed? Like pre-nups, all that stuff. Everything is 50-50 communal property if you decide to split. PK divorcing her at like nine and a half years,

like it's just, it's giving icky. It's giving like, I wanna get out before I have to be taking care of you for the rest of my life. Well, yeah, and now finding out that, cause what'd you say? Yeah, he's threatening financials expectations within a month or two, discussion of custodies, lawyers, threats of divorce.

Like it sounds like he's trying to like expedite the process as much as possible to be like, I want you to prepare yourself that I will not be taking care of you or the family, whatever's mine is mine. And we'll figure this out legally. That's what happens when you marry a guy who wears a full track suit. Amen.

You were right. Yeah, I do appreciate Erica in this position. Like she was just hard truth. She's like, you can hate me for what I'm about to say, but like this is what you need to hear. And I got a little chills with that too, cause it is true. Like sometimes you want people to be so direct and honest and Erica actually presented it being like, listen,

I'm just going to give you the hard cold facts. So there's no, like there's no reconciliation. It doesn't, it does not appear that he wants that. Do you think PK just like saw Moe's life and was just like, I want some of that. Because it's really giving like a really PK just saw Moe's life and was just like, I want some of that? Because it's really giving, they're really cryptic about Moe and Kyle.

If he thinks he's on the same level as Mauricio, he needs to back it up. They also did an interview a month ago, Mauricio and PK. So it's interesting that they're teaming up as the husbands that were married to the housewives, but then PK the whole time is kind of like, I didn't like the way she handled sobriety and the conversations about me, like she's spinning it.

They're in cahoots. I would think so, yeah. I mean, because Kyle and Mauricio's divorce is giving like Mauricio finally made the decision. But if PK thinks he's gonna be on the top of a mountain in Aspen with Anita, like it's just not gonna happen. Spine champagne bottles. I forgot about happen. Sprite, champagne, bottles.

I forgot about that. Just saying, do we all agree about the Mauricio and Kyle's divorce though? It's like, it's giving like, he kind of like had a lifestyle that she accepted for a period of time and she decided to stop accepting it and he just refused to change. I mean, I also think it might have something to do with like,

you know, the kids grew up and it's like once kids grow up and are out of the house, it's like focus is now back on us and it's like, is our relationship as strong as it was when we were having these kids? It may be a disorder. But as we were watching it, it's sad because there's clearly a lot of love there, there's a lot of respect, they still hang out together,

they have a family together, but there's a choice that they're making to not reconnect, to not, you know, they gave up or one of them gave up or both of them gave up. I don't know. It's giving, Mauricio gave up first. I'm just saying, I feel like if it's an either or, I feel like there's a better chance that Kyle and Mauricio could reconcile than PK and Dorita at this point. Well, PK has just gotten real nasty. And at least Moe presents as someone who like- Is compassionate. Is compassionate and like still like wants

to protect his family where. He answers Kyle's texts. He goes, they go on vacation and sleep in the same house. Like, P.K.'s over here like not answering a phone call, not caring about where his kids are. Like, P.K. can go fuck himself. I did see a fan theory that Kyle and Dorit are feuding because they wanted to do that to distract the group of people from dissecting their marriages. Because like they're deflecting with like, it's gonna be a fan theory that Kyle and Dorit are feuding because they wanted to do that to distract the group of people from dissecting their marriages.

Because like they're deflecting with like, this is such a toxic friendship. So people are being more supportive when it comes to the marriage conversations instead of like, Well, what happened in your marriage? Instead of digging into like, let's pull the marriage apart because now they're just pulling the friendship apart. Well, Dorit's at least kind of opening up and being honest about what happened with her and PK. Whereas Kyle is just letting everybody go in a million directions and not actually saying what's happening. That's totally true.

Like Dorit is not really hiding much about PK. Like where Kyle, like we've never really known what happened. They just stopped hanging out, kind of. You're saying with Kyle? Kyle and Mauricio, you know? Like he's in a lot of scenes and he takes her to the gun range and they're nice and they get along really great where you're just always, every time they do that,

you're like, why can't they make it work out? How sad. It's like there's one big thing they're not telling us. And there's always a lot of speculation about who Kyle's hanging out with and Mauricio is being seen in Aspen and stuff like that. And then Kathy Hilton's the confusing part because then she does interviews every two seconds being like, well, I could, I think they'll be back together soon. Like they might get back together

soon. Well, Kathy also is, says she's part Chinese 3000 BC. Listen, anything Kathy says, I want to hear. Me too. She puts caviar on her baked potatoes and that was enough for me to be like, I'm set. Were you in any way offended by claiming that she's? I'm not Chinese. But just Asian descent? But the Asian, yeah. I mean, anything she does, I'm like, she's a character where it's like, you can say something crazy

and you know that they don't know what they're saying, but also like they don't mean it in a harmful way. Like she's just being goofy and I'm sure some person in Italy did tell her like. Which is, you know, for some people, like just as good as 23andMe. I loved her on Face. I don't totally trust 23andMe.

I loved her on FaceTime with Bose being like, are those Puka shells? Bose being like, they're diamonds. It's like that Bose gagged Cathy Hilton is huge. The way that she tried to be like, um, yeah, no baby, they're diamonds. Like she's like trying to be like, do I say, put, baby, they're diamonds. Like, she's like, trying to be like, do I say, yeah, put your glasses on. Uh, confusing diamonds for Pooka shells, but also like how large were they?

Yeah, truly. I just love that we've been to Kathy Hilton's backyard. We have. You laid in her bed. What? No, we didn't. What? Did you think Erica had a right to be upset about not being invited to Augusta?

Of course not. but they always do. They always do, right? I mean, I do feel like she is kind of in that group just as much as Garcelle and Kyle. I was more so confused about her calling Kyle to invite her for something so personal where like the week before she comes to dinner, it was like, okay, so why am I here? I'm not going to bow down to the altar of Kyle Richards. And then it was like, I want you to come to this very personal interaction with my mom.

What's her mom? That was a piece of work. She's a hoot. I feel bad for her mom though. I'm like, we're using her as a storyline. I mean, maybe she's like chaotic, but I'm like, I don't wanna see her mom come on the screen and get humiliated by like.

How was she humiliated? Have you seen the teaser for next episode? I'm like, it's Garcelle telling her mom that she needs to be more involved and her mom being like, well, I think it's none of your business. Yeah, well, yeah. Period on her mom.

Period on her mom. But the editing is making her mom seem so harsh. Her mom also has free will, so her mom didn't have to be a part of the show. Her mom is also what, like 85? Yeah. She's not changing anytime soon, does not give a fuck what anybody thinks of her.

Yeah. But also- She did show up. But also that is sad that they have to go to her mom for a storyline and they can't figure it out between the housewives themselves. Yeah. Sutton's like, sure, yeah, let's put my harsh mom

on television to get crucified by the world. But also let's flex on our compound. Yeah. Those beautiful houses. Yeah, wow. The little back house was gorgeous. There was like multiple houses. Did you ever see Righteous Jumpstones?

Yes. That whole, like how all of the family lives in like houses all on the same property. Like that's what that reminded me of. And it was really cute. Well, when you're making $600,000 a month after tax, was it after taxes or before after? 300,000.

350,000 a month? After taxes. After taxes. After, yeah. Alimony. Crazy, crazy. But yeah, so Beverly month. After taxes. After taxes. After, yeah. Alamoni. Crazy. Crazy, but yeah, so Beverly Hills is getting boring. So they have to go to Sutton's poor mom.

Yeah. I do think, like, to circle back to her question, last season was Sutton and Garcelle welcoming Erica, and in this season, they're just ignoring that, which is interesting. I feel like Boz is getting the most camera time, and I'm here for it, so I'm just like, whatever comes out of her mouth. I'll listen.

Also, Erica's won me back over. Picking back to traitors, what's going on with Carolyn? Is she, she slams Danielle, like physically? Body slam WWE style. Can we end with, you know, there, here's a pet peeve of mine. The headline that includes slams. Yeah. Yeah.

I will say though, this one, like to me. Just misleading headlines in general. But the quote saying, like, she sucks. Slams? Like, that's not a slam. This is a headline that I actually support, the word slam, because to me, I'm like, okay, she did say some, like, straight up, like, no BS stuff, where she said, like, in response to the feud with Danielle, you're gaslighting me.

I am not the most eloquent speaker. I am not always listened to, but it doesn't help when you have somebody looking down on you side-eyeing you talking just the way she did No one wants to be the Dan of the season, but girl you're Danning me I don't give a shit about looking the best. I have not played survivor multiple times. I am a zero vote fucking finalist I don't claim to be a great player I'm good in my own freaky way, but she holds that to such a high standard of like, I'm the best to never win grow up. So to me, that's like a slam. What is with all these people who, like, I guess, take pride in the game?

I mean, like. The gamers, like I don't remember. Yeah, the gamers. Yeah. Like this, the weird flexing and bragging about, like, I guess. I mean, it's big on Survivor and Big Brother because they, I mean, they have legacies. They have people like Boston Robb is like a name from Survivor history. So it's, they take a lot of pride in being like good gamers and legends from these shows. But they're also very ego about it because then you have like MJ getting played by Trishel

and CT and it's like the gamers are then thinking they're better than the other people and then playing the other people. But I mean, it's interesting because this is a gamer versus a gamer, Danielle versus... But aren't they doing TikToks together? And then they're also doing TikToks together with like Dylan and Cron. Everything is fake. Everything in this world is fake.

Yeah. I don't believe anyone when they say anything. Well, I think it's with traitors. I think they're all actively with the way they're all interacting with each other and online throughout as the season's going, they're just leaning in. If I go on Trader, should I just like create a complete alter ego?

Just could be absolutely insane. Yes. Like, is this a game? No, it wasn't me. I'm a gamer. Gamer. I did come from the Bachelor. You should. You wear skinny jeans. Yeah, you could wear skinny jeans.

I've gotten the most roses in bachelor history, which I'm pretty sure I have. I'm the finalist. I'm sure someone's going to find where someone else has gotten more. I doubt it. Just be like the bachelor, the most competitive. I doubt it. No one's given more roses or been handed more roses than you on the bachelor.

When I was the bachelor there, we did a bit where I like read off how many rose ceremonies I've been on. Oh, like statistics, bachelor statistics? Bachelor stats. Bachelor stats. But I definitely don't wear it with pride. How many times did you say,

are you here for the right reasons? None. None? Yeah. How many times did you reference your journey? Too many. I do remember. How many times did you say my wife is in this room?

Zero. Oh. Zero. We love that. Oh. Zero. Really, you didn't say that? You didn't say I see my wife in this room?

Refused. Yeah. He knew. Yeah. It is a very cringey line. No, no. They definitely would try to get me to say it one episode and I was just like, I forgot what I came up with,

but like, I see potential here. I feel like they bait you. They're like, so is your wife in this room right now? No, they literally tell you to say it. You're like, no? Define her. It's literally episode two. I mean, think about it.

Go back on all the Bachelor seasons. It's like episode two or three, they walk in and like, I can really see my wife in this room. And they're like, but like what direction is she? And like, what do you think she's wearing right now? Like red, black. Give us color, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I definitely said something I didn't mean, but like I didn't say that. Good. Yeah. But she's in the room with us now. Hmm. Hmm. Indeed.

Indeed. But I didn't know that then. Of course not. He hates me. Indeed. Indeed. Indeed. But I didn't know that then. Of course not. He hates me. Huh? Indeed. Indeed. Oh, by the way, don't forget to check out Vilephiles Plus. You can sign up for it by going to vilephiles.com

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Oh, how fun. You look so pretty. Are you from New York originally? I actually am. I went to College of Charleston for college and that's what brought me down to South Carolina. Oh, okay. So I'm happy to be home, but it's really good to see you guys.

I actually met you guys at Kathy Hilton's Christmas party. That was a wild time. We also met your boyfriend. Yes, you met Joe. Yeah. Yes, we did. He was like, so Southern hospitality is crazy. Y'all should cover it this season. We were like, OK, we'll look into it.

And it definitely is crazy. Yes. This season, I feel like has gotten a lot of positive attention and everything compared to the other season. So it's all positive. How did you end up on the show in the first place? I worked at Republic. So basically the show is about a nightclub and a bunch of co-workers that work together. So I worked there for years before the whole like casting thing kind of came about because I went to college there.

I wanted to make money while I was in college. So I got into hospitality nightlife. And then the owner of the bar, Lava, is obviously on Southern Charm so I feel like that's kinda how that spin-off came about. Okay, so you are like an OG, like Vanderpump rules, people who are actually working there, that's cool. And then how much do you actually still work there? Or now that you are DJing and on TV, is it less of that or do they still bring you in for shifts?

I definitely feel like there's a standard of like, when you are not DJing, you need to be here working. So I feel like it's definitely, you know, kind of cutthroat in the hospitality. Like if you're not working, then we'll find someone else that will. So I feel like with the DJing, I'm always on the road and traveling,

but anytime I'm off, no matter how tired I am, I know I have to go to work at Republic. You know? Was it like, because if you don't work there, you will definitely be off the show? Not necessarily. Like I feel like for a while for my DJ career, I needed the money from the restaurant to help fund my DJ career. Because it's expensive as a DJ in the sense of like equipment.

Like one CDJ is like seven to eight K. Like it's an expensive hobby. So I feel like in even order, like like to learn how to produce music and stuff and buying like softwares for that and stuff. Like I needed money to kind of, to be able to invest my career. So I feel like the bar was a great outlet to make quick money, you know?

What do you think of the kind of, the dilemma going on between Joe and TJ? I don't know. I feel like we're filming a reunion next week. So I'm excited to kind of see where they're at now, but I feel like, I don't know, specifically, I don't know, I feel like it's interesting because it's two close friends

that I feel like one caught feelings for and I feel like it's a super dynamic, like complex relationship. Do you feel like Joe is being kind of put in like a tough spot with TJ? Do we all agree that they agree that like, Joe was blackout drunk that night?

Is that right? Yeah. Isn't it kind of weird that like, we're talking about someone who was blackout drunk and then like TJ is trying to get him to admit to something he doesn't allegedly even remember. I just find it to be a little uncomfy. I don't know, what are your thoughts?

I feel like I'm uncomfortable by it. I don't know if I was, if I would ever trust TJ again. Like first with the coming in between your relationships and being the one to kind of bring the Luann and the Danielle kind of stuff to the surface. And then you're coming to the surface saying that you have feelings for him

and that you think something happened or you felt mixed signals when it was obviously kind of one sided. Yeah, it's a little, I feel like uncomfortable. Didn't he tell you that he, TJ thought Joe was gay? Like before you started dating him or while you were dating him? Yeah, for sure. I definitely think that was a rumor going around town.

I think everyone on our cast has heard that rumor, one or another, about Joe's sexuality. And I feel like for Joe, he's like, I know the boiling point of this rumor is coming from TJ. Like, he's the source. He seems like a bit of a rumor spreader. You know, like, he spreads rumors that, like, are potentially, like, problematic

or, like, really put someone in a tough position. Like, it could affect your, too, as a relationship. How do you feel about it? Because you're kind of in the middle of it, because it is your boyfriend, but you're also friendly with TJ, and you guys got closer over the summer. So I'm like, how does that affect you? Or it's like, this is your relationship,

but also your friendship. I definitely feel like it put me in a hard spot, because I don't know how close TJ and Joe necessarily were. So I'm trying to be sensitive to both people. in a hard spot because I don't know how close TJ and Joe necessarily were. So I'm trying to be sensitive to like both people. But after watching the season, yeah, there's a little part of me where I was like, yeah, TJ is a podster and it's a little bit, you know, messier than he leads on or like, you know, he might be like the bone collector and have some things to say.

But like maybe sometimes 1% of the things that he's saying is just straight rumor. You know what I mean? Or even 99%, you know what I mean? So I feel like that's where I just think TJ is messy. Yeah. But for Joe, I think Joe is someone who's really comfortable in his sexuality and who he is and in his relationship. So I feel like for him, he was just like,

kind of like, why are you doing this kind of thing? Like I probably now I'm never gonna sleep in a bed with you again or feel like that same closeness to you as a friend. Because I feel this betrayal, you know? So I see both sides, but I definitely after watching kind of really kind of feel for Joe to be honest with you. So that's where I feel a little kind of uncomfortable.

Yeah, I feel like Joe's handled it in the best possible way where he didn't feel like threatened by TJ's claim or accusation or anything like that. And he still like was able to try to empathize with his friend because he still values that friendship with TJ. You know, Joe is sitting here being like, I'm comfortable in how I feel and my sexuality

and I'm gonna let you tell your story and how you feel. And if anything, I'm proud of Joe and I think that's really brave of him and I totally like respect and see TJ's side as well and I think it's really brave and cool of Joe to kind of be so gentle and sensitive about the whole thing. How are you guys doing as a couple? Stronger than ever?

Yeah, totally. I just, I feel like Joe and I, we just work so well together, like whether it be in the restaurant or in our day-to-day lives. So I just feel like we've grown a lot this year. And I think you definitely see that in the season. Like I just left a toxic relationship.

So I feel like I was so hesitant about, you know, is there such thing as a healthy relationship kind of thing? So I feel like I was so hesitant and walking kind of on eggshells, you know, if I truly wanted to give myself in this relationship, based off the things I kind of went through. I thought it was a really sweet moment in this past episode when you and Joe were kind of talking about your future, and Joe was like,

because Joe kind of presents as like kind of this clubby, all of you obviously are at this age, you're DJing, you guys work at this very kind of club, bar, restaurant, republic, but it was very sweet to hear Joe and you have that conversation about what he really wants and what his dreams are and things like that and then you kinda talking about that as well.

I thought that was a really sweet moment. Maybe I'm just like a guy in my new dad, husband era. But whenever you guys are ready for that shit, I gotta say, it's the best time of our lives. So maybe you and Joe are onto something. Yes, congratulations on all that, by the way. I'm so excited to be in the era of my life. It's just timing, I feel like, is everything.

Yeah, no, totally. I mean, I obviously wait a bit longer than most people and I have no complaints. Natalie waited a little bit less longer, but yeah, whenever it happens, whenever you're ready, I hope you enjoy it as much as we do. And I also just have to say, after watching

the first two seasons, it's really nice to see you in a healthy relationship, and I think it's bringing out the best in you and in Joe, because Joe's very lovable seeing him wanting to commit to you, and wanting to get married, and saying all these things where you're like, Joey Bottles is saying, like, you know what, Johnny, sorry, but you know what I mean? Like it's just kind of, it's really nice. So I'm happy for you.

Speaking of toxic relationships, what are your thoughts on Emmy and Will? Oh, goodness. I almost wish it was like even like seeing it, like I wish there was a time where she kind of stood her ground with him, if anything. Do you think it's both of them kind of just figuring out life, do you think one's more the instigator than the other? You know, it's kind of hard to tell as a viewer, obviously like, Emmy has her reactions,

which are loud and expressive, but like, you know, Will kind of does seem like that really good instigator, where even the stuff, you know, like even behind the scenes, like he kind of gives poking the bear, poking the bear, and then almost to the point where he pushes his girlfriend to a level of like she gets to this kind of explosive energy. But like, do you think it's more him or her? Or do you think they just kind of bring out the worst in each other? I would agree with that. But I also think that when Emmy's having those overreactions, I think she's looking for Will to be there to save her and have her back and to fend her from these rumors

and stuff like that. And you're right, he's like kind of more behind the scenes, like poking at the bear instead of showing up in front of the group and saying, you know, this is my truth. And I feel like that's kind of where I think maybe Emmy is having those overreactions is she's like, Will should be here and he should be the one

that's defending himself. And it's like, well, he's not and it's giving guilty, you know, if you're not gonna come and confront the group about all the things that you've done, but you're okay with talking about it behind scenes, you know, I feel like that's kind of where Emmy struggled is she was just like, I wish Will could speak on this for himself.

And you know, now I have to answer for it. But at the same time, like, I feel like I kind of had to do that for my partner the past two seasons. And it's not easy, like having to speak on their behalf and to defend them it's not necessarily an easy thing but I just don't know why it was so hard for her. Why do you feel like he's not showing up to defend himself? Well like I said I feel like it's to me it gives guilty vibes. So you think he's like I just don't even want to get yeah he's like I don't even want to get attacked

by these people because I don't have the correct answer. Or like, I'm going to deal with Emmy and not have them be able to say, I heard you say this. Yes. So he gets to spin whatever story. Or I'm damned if I do, I'm damned if I don't, like, peace, like I don't want any, you know what I mean? What did you learn the most from your like past relationship

that you referred to as toxic? I mean, as shitty as past relationships can be, the good news is we can often learn a little bit from it, but what is something that you learned or multiple things that you learned that you wanna make sure you don't bring into your relationship with Joe or anyone else in the future,

or just kind of behaviors you would, maybe see in a friend's relationship, or maybe you would wanna say, hey, I've been there before and I made a mistake and here's what you should do differently this time. Oh my goodness. I feel like there's so many things, but it's all a learning experience. I feel like in relationships, every time I leave a relationship, I feel like I'm like, wow, I learned so much. Oh my goodness. I'm going to bring this into my new relationship and look for these red flags. So I feel like you see that play out through the season a lot of me kind of being more hesitant

about necessarily like what I want and making sure that's the priority. And I feel like in the past, I might have, you know, might've made sacrifices maybe in my relationship for my partner or I didn't leave when I probably should have, and I don't have any regrets necessarily because of the things that I've learned, but if I do look back on it,

I think that when I saw the first red flags, I wish I would have left then. You know? I mean, we'll say the same thing looking back on this one day, and I think a lot of people do, you know? Yeah. You mentioned Kathy Hilton's party that we were all at, back on this one day and I think a lot of people do. You know? Yeah.

You mentioned Kathy Hilton's party that we were all at and that was the last time I saw James Kennedy in person because that was also the night that he got arrested. We've been pretty hard on James. You obviously have a relationship with him. You referred to him as your mentor. Is he still your mentor and have you spoken with him since the incident and kind of where do you stand

with him at this point? I have not spoken with him since the incident and kind of where do you stand with him at this point? I have not spoken to him. I've definitely checked in on Allie and want to make sure she's okay and everything like that, but I haven't spoken to him and I wish both of them the best. Okay, would you say like your kind of relationship with James at this point is kind of like over

or do you think maybe in the future like your kind of relationship with James at this point is kind of like over or, or do you think maybe in the future you guys will reconnect on, on the DJ tour? Um, I don't, I don't have any gigs or anything booked with him this year or this going forward and I don't think I have anything planned and I probably, I just wish both of them the best. Like, I genuinely, I haven't spoken to him since the same night you guys saw him. So I haven't spoken to him, but I've definitely spoken to Ali just to check in

and make sure she's okay. A lot of her family lives in Charleston, where I live. So I see them sometimes and stuff. So I always wanted to reach out and check in. And I obviously had a relationship with both of them and I wish both of them the best. That's nice of you. Was the Emmy blow up over the dresses credit thing

as insane in person as it was on television or what was your perception of that reaction? I was DJing then. So I totally just heard about it. And I heard it was crazy, so when I watched it, I was like, oh my gosh, like this is, honestly to me watching it, I was like, it kind of gives like guilty, like should I look into this? Like, do you know what I mean?

Because I feel like the simple answer, if I was in that position would have been like, oh no, like I didn didn't like here's the receipt from the uniforms or I would have been like, Oh, I did get a store back. I did get a store credit kickback like, thanks, but doesn't mean I didn't pay for it with my credit card. Yeah, you know, it didn't help with will saying the fact that you didn't explain it like that made me think like, Oh, like, do I need to look into this? Right.

Yeah. To Sierra's point, Will being like, and you didn't do that was definitely the nail in the coffin for sure. Yeah. Like I definitely think Will is doing any favors. No, he's not. It was definitely a storyline that I didn't think it was a big deal until she lost her shit and I was like, wait, what are we talking about?

It should have been something so small, but it's like even watching her kind of defend Will where it's like Will sat there, not only didn't comfort you after the fact, but then spent time talking shit about you to your coworkers who are not his coworkers. I don't know, just feel like it's unforgivable in my opinion.

I would be really embarrassed. Right? Yeah. I guess we really embarrassed. Right? Yeah. I guess we're gonna have to ask her. Do you and Jo live together? We do not. You do not.

I feel like it definitely gets talked about later on. Okay. Like what would be the potential next step if it's marriage, if it's getting a house, if it's moving in together. So you'll kind of see that play out in the rest of the season. Who's more guilty between you and Joe

of like kind of playing house and kind of fantasizing about your future? Or is it more you or is it more Joe? Joe every day. We have such a like golden retriever, I feel like black cat relationship where I'm more the realist and I feel like he's more the like fantasy romantic,

but I enjoy it. Yeah, it is nice. Is he with you in New York? He is, yes. and I feel like he's more the fantasy romantic, but I enjoy it. Yeah, it is nice. Is he with you in New York? He is, yes. Is he in the room with us? Hi, Joe. No, he actually went to go pick up a suit

for the reunion we're filming next week. Oh, fun, okay. Are you filming the reunion in South Carolina or are you filming in New York? We film Oh, fine. Okay. Are you filming the reunion in South Carolina or are you filming in New York? We film in New York. Okay. Yes, we're doing a Watch What Happens Live reunion. Love it.

Oh, isn't that what they were planning on doing that with the Valley first season. So interesting that. I think the people in the Valley said no, but that is interesting. I feel like they brought up cameras for the valley and that kind of was their reunion. Yeah.

Like they brought up cameras that will break up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The follow-up. Yeah. What's, what is making it in the DJ space look like for you? Like what's something you kind of envision in terms of, you know, once you're there, you'll be like, holy shit, I can't believe I did this.

I've really made it. Yeah, I think I've played at a lot of venues where I felt like, oh my God, this is a dream come true. I've made it this week in the show. We go to Vegas for a cast trip. And I mean, I'm on the side of a billboard and such a bucket list opportunity for me.

But for me now in my career, I think like I want to be an artist. I want to have music of my own and I want to release it. I want people to be able to connect with it. Yeah. So that's kind of my next step of being like, oh, I made it is like if people are listening to my song that I made or if someone connects to it, you know? That's awesome. Are you still, are you currently working on some of your own new music?

Yeah, I actually like this season, I do a song with Grace. So that comes out pretty sure next week that comes out that song with Grace and I that we do, it's called Poppin' It. But I basically am looking to collaborate with vocalists and people to make music. I'm not necessarily like an incredible singer, but I am a very talented producer. So I'm working on becoming that artist and putting my music out there and having that confidence.

I don't think Diplo can sing, can he? No. Yeah, no, I don't think so, yeah. No, exactly. Exactly. All right, well, thank you so much for joining us. It's been so much fun chatting with you. Wishing you guys nothing but success and we're loving the show.

Keep the drama coming. It's been a ton of fun watching you guys so far, so I really appreciate your time, Maddie. Nice. Thank you so much for having me on. Like I always watch y'all and it was so nice seeing all of you guys again. Likewise. Thanks for taking the time. Have fun at on watch what happens live. Yes. Thank you so much.

Bye. Take care. Bye bye. What a sweetie. What a sweetie. My favorite DJ. I just think the back to the Joe and TJ thing, it just, it's giving Icky. He definitely is a pot stirrer, that's for sure.

I told y'all I didn't like TJ from the jump, remember? And you're like, he's my favorite. I enjoy him for TV purposes, but don't necessarily. How don't I feel like, do we always love the pot stirrer? Like is that, I feel like isn't Brynn the pot stirrer on Roni and everyone hates her. It's like, because you're making up lies, you always love the pot stir. Like, is that, I feel like, isn't Brynn the pot stir on Roni and everyone hates her? It's like, because you're making up lies, you're stirring the pot, you're doing stuff

to like create drama. It's the same thing TJ is doing. But it's necessary. I felt that way about Lisa Renna too on Beverly Hills Housewives with Denise Richards. Well, it's more like I generally don't like the pot stir, you know, but I just kind of recognize that there's a pot and it needs to be stirred.

I would like it to happen more organically from the cast as a whole. But I don't know, that storyline that they keep milking, I'm just like, I'm a little. I feel like Joe handled it well. I thought he handled it amazingly. And everything and at least admitting to the fact that it's like, if that was your perception,

I'm sorry for that, but like, obviously it did not mean anything to me. But I do think that, I'm sure it's tough, especially for TJ being out in Charleston and as many people that he was saying that his dating life, it's hard to date for him out in Charleston. So I'm like, I also can understand wanting something to be true,

but that even though it's not and kind of embellishing it and hoping that it could be, but I'm just like, yeah, it's your fantasy versus the reality of what happened. And if the person is telling you that it meant nothing to him, then you just have to kind of accept that. Why is he getting a free pass to say all this shit and like put Joe in the position

where Joe seemingly has to like explain himself or defend himself. He was blackout drunk and you weren't and now you're telling a story and whatever happened like did Joe even know what he was doing? I mean apparently not so I don't know it's a little tough just because it's like I said it's two different people's perspectives and then you also have somebody wanting something to happen where somebody else is like that meant nothing. Honestly, I also see like Taylor Greene doing like TikToks and reels with TJ.

And I'm just like, Taylor. They're besties. She was spending the night at his house on episode two. Problematic. I like Taylor and like, but Taylor, Taylor in the Southern Charm community seems to be like the outsider. Like she's not part of the group, group, group, you know?

And like, you know, even the comments that, what's her name? Sally. Sally, thank you. Yeah. How like, kind of like the nobody likes you comment, which I kind of hate when people say that, but like, I don't know, I get, you know, sometimes guilty by association.

Like if she's best friends with TJ, and TJ is a bit of a pot story, and I don't know. I would, I would run Taylor. It's like we can't trust anybody with initials on Bravo anymore. TJ, JT or maybe just those two letters. I think initials are problematic. PK. PK? Can't trust anybody. PJ. I've never been an initial guy. Yeah. And V?

That's not my name. That also takes far too long to say. N.V.? That's not my name. That also takes far too long to say. Well, coming up shortly, Rebecca Minkoff of Roney, Real Housewives of New York City, excited to get the tea. We found out last night of this morning that she announced, well first,

it was leaked a couple days ago that she was fired. And then she announced that this is her first and only season on the cast. And I gotta say, I was a little shocked by the reunion. It really seemed like, as we said before, like these ladies did not like her. It felt personal. Did it not feel weird too when you're sitting there

and she like comes out, introduced, they asked her like five questions, and then they were like, all right, well, that's our time with Rebecca. And I was like, she didn't get a segment. I feel like typically they would go to commercial and then come back and Rebecca would be gone, but they had her be like, she didn't get a segment. They made it a point. I feel like typically they would go to commercial and then come back and Rebecca would be gone. But they had her be like, do I sit here?

And he's like, Rebecca wants to know if she stays here or goes. No, they made it a point. What is this? Yeah, they made it a point to like leave that in there. Well, they usually like softball questions, do an introduction, but it was literally like, here she is, Scientology, Scientology,

Erin hates you, Sy hates you. Okay, bye. I also hate the like, does anyone have any questions or beef they wanna address with Rebecca? It's like, just ask someone a pointed question. Just be like, you know, I don't know. Does anyone in here disagree? It's like, no one's gonna be like, I do.

She definitely was set up in that, yeah. Yeah. I will say, for a slow season, as I said earlier, the reunions kind of gave me a lot, a lot to work with. I'm a fan of Zen Uba, but. I don't know. Oh, you don't know about Uba? No, I love Uba.

Okay. I'm obsessed with Uba. I think she's the best. But I just, this is mostly on the Brinn drama of it all, which, obviously,, obviously there's, you know, the fact that they threw out the whole, you know, part two, Andy and the rest of the cast had to like, make sure that they let Brynn know,

like we believe your story is it relates to what happened to you, and then simultaneously be put in a position to also have to question her. There was a part of me that started understanding Brynn's point of view, except that it was like, I was blown away by all the, when they were kind of all going back and forth about who said what when,

and every word out of Brynn's mouth, the entire cast was like, we didn't say that, we didn't say that, we didn't say that. I mean, it really painted Brynn as like just a compulsive liar. When you couple that with the subject in which we were talking about, it just makes it really uncomfortable to like the lump those all in together

and have a discussion about it. While Brynn's saying all these things and all the women are like, we didn't say that, we didn't say that. You're like, what are you talking about? You're just making shit up. And then having Annie to be like, just so you know, no matter what, we believe this, but it's the other part we're struggling with.

It was just hard to keep up with. I felt like mentally she couldn't disconnect the two from each other because she felt like all of these women hate her. So it's like that we're not denying that your story is true. It's just the other parts that go along with it where it's like, you're even still saying I sucked a dick for this job. And it's like, that's not what you said, but like you're convinced that that's what she said. So it's like almost like the repetitive nature of repeating the same things, but it is very

difficult to have a conversation trying to be like, clarifying what's a lie and what's the truth when it's also surrounded around such a sensitive topic. Yeah. Where I understand Brynn is that given what happened to her, you would think she'd be allowed to have moments of, you know. Like for lack of a better word, messiness? Being triggered, you know, to moments of being triggered, moments of being reactive, moments of feeling out of body

and saying shit and maybe not remembering everything she said, you know. I mean, Sy straight up said, you weaponize your experience for the downfall of a friend and that is an awful thing to do. And I think that's when Brynn was like, watch your words, like to tell someone that they weaponized their experience

is after someone has been openly talks about. Like, is it messy that Brynn was in fact, really just messy in that moment, said some things that weren't totally accurate without the intention of weaponizing it to take down UBA. I understand what the women are saying. I understand that this is a very obviously sensitive topic and when you make an accusation,

which I guess what Brynn is saying that it wasn't an accusation, that it was just like, I don't know, something she was saying while being attacked. But it also gets confusing because, you know, when Brynn is saying like, yeah, I called Uba and I was rambling and I was saying all these things that have happened to me and then for Uba to be like,

you never said those words to me. That's the hard part because Uba is like dead set on like, you didn't say that, and I tend to believe Uba. But I'm still willing to acknowledge that like Brynn thought she said that. That's not that unbelievable. Especially given what like Brynn has been through and like the trauma that can cause

and like having had a front row seat to people who have opened up about that, like I can at least understand that position. So it does feel like, I understand where Uba is upset, but like, yeah, how can the rest of the ladies be so sure of Brynn's intentions? Right? Yeah. You know?

Well, and I think it was a very like powerful moment because you have this, them talking about what happened and Uba pretty much saying like, I want nothing to do with you, whatever. But then it's like even any reference coming back to the experience that happened with Brynn, like Uba gets up and hugs her and wants her to say sorry and just like wants her to know that she's supported. So it's kind of like, if Uba can move on from what's happening where that's something that directly affected her, then it's like, yes, all the other women, it's like, lay off a little bit because it's just like,

Brynn's going through a lot. She might not handle herself well, but she also did say that she does want to learn how to be a better friend and and to be more direct. So it's like all she can do is just move forward with it. But she's somebody who's had a very troubled childhood and a very troubled experience growing up. So it's like to add insult to injury. It doesn't make any sense. It's also not really like about the other women. It's like, I mean, it affects them, but who it really directly affects is like Bren and Uba. Well, that was the problem too, is like, I feel like they really leaned into this topic

because there's literally nothing else to discuss and talk about. So now they're milking this topic that feels like it shouldn't be milked. Like Saib being like, I'm so shocked that Uba went and hugged her. It's like, she was breaking down, like what? You're shocked that Uba has like empathy and like felt like Brynn needed a hug in that moment. And like, I am not a fan of Cy this reunion. I didn't appreciate anything she really had to say.

Although I will say I am on Cy and Raquel's team with the whole like, Uber was disrespecting Puerto Rico and like on a platform where Puerto Rico needs tourism. And like, you're gonna say that their beaches are dirty in this and there's dead pigeons and there's nasty water you don't wanna walk in. Like that's definitely gonna affect people

wanting to go to Puerto Rico. And like they were valid in being like, you can't wanna walk in, that's definitely gonna affect people wanting to go to Puerto Rico. And they were valid in being like, you can't say that. If you guys ever seen the movie Sideways about wine? Yes. The line, I'm not drinking fucking Marlowe, crashed the Marlowe market for years. It's just now coming back.

It's just now recovering, and that's like a 15, 20 year old movie. But it does, that shit does. That shit matters, it affects. For the average person who isn't like a sommelier or a travel coordinator and they're like, should we go to Puerto Rico or like. Uba on Real Housewives said that too.

Or Jamaica. Yeah. You know, they're like, well. I actually heard the beaches were dirty and like dead pigeons were everywhere. It definitely has an effect. No, you're so right too, because I'm like, there's a lot of trips that even I've planned

based off of seeing it come up on Real Housewives. It was like, oh my God, what is this tropical island that they're on? I mean, we do the same with restaurants. Like when we were watching the Valley, we were like, oh my God, there's a restaurant, there's a new restaurant, we haven't tried that. And if they were like, oh my God,

this guacamole is disgusting, we probably wouldn't go there. Yeah, exactly. We hear the vile files can say that Puerto Rico is beautiful. It is. And I went there for our honeymoon. I love Puerto Rico so much. Puerto Rico, lovely.

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Wow! Hi, Rebecca! Look at this setup. Hi. Live from New York. Live from New York in your own studio. Well, thank you for joining us. We're excited to talk with you.

I'm so excited. This is two years in the making, I think, from the first DM. Yeah, you were, Rebecca and I first message because she was deep in Scandival. Oh. And was at a dinner party with apparently some friends my first message because she was deep in Scandival. Oh. And was at a dinner party with apparently some friends

talking about our coverage of Scandival. Have you ever met Tom? No, no. And I can't even keep my head straight around it. So just, it's, the RAM is full now with lots of other things that have been replaced. Well, we just obviously got done watching Reunion Part 2, and you, I think, overnight announced

that you will be leaving Rony. Maybe we should just start there. Just rip the band-aid off? Yeah. I mean, I didn't know what to expect, you coming in, but that room felt very cold and harsh. Were you caught off guard by the energy that you walked into at the reunion? I think that I expected the energy to be like that because I knew what was

being discussed. I obviously knew Uba and Brynn's situation was going to come before I went on, and that can't be easy. So when I walked into the room and took a read, I knew everyone was having their own energy preservation of just what went on, but I expected it to warm up knowing like, you know, it was time for my part and that never happened. It felt cold, it remained cold for the balance until I left. So that part I was not expecting. Okay, like obviously you and Erin seemed to get into it,

then a little bit of you and Brynn, but just the energy in the room period seemed like, I don't know, they were all kind of mad at you for some reason. Yeah, maybe there's a group chat that I'm not part of that something was planned prior to my arrival, because I was on what I thought great terms with everyone. I mean, obviously, Brynn and I are besties,

but I walked into the reunion thinking it would be fine. And I was honestly as surprised as probably you guys were in that moment. And just normally I'm aware when I do something and I take ownership for it. I could not figure out what I did. But I remember looking at each one like, are you gonna give me a lifeline? No, you? No, Uba and Jessel did,

but the rest just, it just felt icy. Well, what happened with you and Erin? I mean, have you been able to figure out like what her issues are with you? And are you guys still at angst with each other or are you guys been able to reconcile at all? I think it started, there was a BravoCon weekend where she was on stage really distancing herself

from the prank and I don't wanna talk about the prank, we've all heard it ad nauseam, but I was very much like, I sent a text, I think they showed it, like we did this together, I'm happy to take responsibility but you were part of it and that was met with then her going back on stage and kind of making fun of the brand. And as a friend, who I thought she was a true friend, we hung out together, our kids had played together,

our husbands met. I was like, wow, you're gonna do that to me? Okay, fine. And then we played phone tag, she chose not to call back after the last call. And then an episode aired with some sensitive and stuff about her father. And I didn't check in on her because I had actually checked in on her and been there for her when her dad actually passed. And I was hurt from the weekend. And so I guess to her that made me fake and inauthentic and not standing up for women. And so we have yet to rectify anything. But I said, if people can be accountable, I don't hold grudges.

When Cy apologized to me after calling me too nice and boring, I accepted her apology because I'm a grown woman. So I think as long as people are willing to do that work, like the door's open. Did being called nice and boring bother you? I didn't like that somehow when you're calling someone nice that's now negative.

Like since when is being nice like a negative term? Maybe in housewives land that's now negative. But I was like, so I'm being made fun of cause I'm nice, cool, okay. So it didn't upset me, but I was like, let's not further degrade women by saying a nice person is, that's boring behavior to be nice. So you felt like it's just her intention was negative

and that's the issue you had in a way. I mean, I don't think her intention was negative. Sai just calls it as she thinks it and feels it. And I think that she was just speaking her mind. It was a hot mic moment and that's what came out. Have you tried to reach out to Erin since the reunion? I have not. Why not?

Why? I mean, I guess, are you hoping to reconcile or are you kind of like, fuck her? Because I guess if I found out a friend was mad at me, I guess I would just, I would have been like, hey, let's have a cup of coffee and put it in their, you know, for me, it's just more like if my friends met at me and I did something wrong,

I would just, I would wanna put the ball in their court so I could say like, I did what I could, so to speak. And I guess I'm just like, but maybe you're just kinda over it. I don't know. Wait, are you saying I should do everything I can? Well, I don't think you should do anything. I'm just kinda curious, like where's your heart

when it comes to this friendship? If I didn't care about our friendship, if someone called me out or whatever, and I was like, what are you talking about? Maybe I'd be like, there's a lot of friends I've had where I'm like, you know what, maybe we've outgrown each other, I've moved on. Sometimes it's like, you know what, I fucked up,

or I don't agree with them, but I clearly upset them, but I do miss this friend, so I'm just gonna reach out to him and say, hey, whenever you're ready, I'm ready, but maybe you're not ready. Yeah, I'm always ready again. If someone wants to be responsible and accountable, I am happy to engage.

If she decides to do that, then I'm happy to have a conversation. She publicly humiliated me more than one time. I did clap back one time. She didn't like that. And so I guess it's not a two way street. Yeah, I think it's definitely different when it's on a national television show

and like, you know what you're doing. A little bit. Yeah, yeah. So I see where you're coming from on that. Yeah, it's not like you can publicly humiliate someone and then privately apologize. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

I think you have to figure out, you know, how do you see if you did anything that could have been really hurtful? And again, I'm happy when people take accountability. I took it for my mistakes. It's actually easier when people do that. No, that's true. How long were you actually on stage four?

Because for us it was the five questions Andy asked only about Scientology and then you were done. Did he ask you anything else? Yeah, I was there for about an hour. He asked the girls what they thought about my style. We had more conversations about, you know, the thing that shall not be spoken about, the prank. I'm trying to think of what else did we talk about.

I think it was an hour mostly of that type of content. Are you happy you went on Roni or do you regret going on Roni? I have zero regrets, zero. I have a lot of lessons I learned. We got incredible things. I had incredible opportunities. I made some good friends out of it.

And, you know, there are parts that are really, really fun. And part of what was sad about last night when I made my statement, I was like, there's a lot of things I'm going to miss. Um, but it wasn't, you know, for me, something I wanted to chase that feeling of the anxiety, the mental headspace that you have to be in in those moments. And it got dark as you saw on the finale and I didn't wanna be in those moments. I feel like I've done a really thorough job

of going through my life and trying to eliminate as much negativity as I can. And so for me, it was like, where are the good feelings? And let me chase that. I love what I do at Female Founder Collective. I love talking about my book and having my podcast. I love designing. I love being with my family.

Let's chase those feelings. And so that was where I had to say, it doesn't matter about money or it being amazing for my business. If it causes those things to my heart, it's not worth it. Yeah, I could never, I mean, I give all the Housewives and every person in the Bravo community a lot of credit just because it asks a lot of its cast members

to really be open about everything in their life, whether you wanna be open about it or not. The audience really is demanding of that. I guess my question, when you said yes to the experience, were you surprised just how demanding Bravo, its fans, and I guess production is of, you know, it's like, I don't think they seem to care much about your boundaries, so to speak, right?

And I think that's kind of like this unwritten rule of reality TV in general, and specifically with Bravo and its fans, with its cast members, it's like, if you want us to root for you, if you want to be on the show, you gotta just talk about all of it, even rumors and yada yada, which is crazy behavior, but like that is what is expected.

Did you realize that when you signed up for it, or is that something you kind of discovered, or like, or just realized just how authentic, you know, Bravo and its fan base and community expects of its housewives and its cast people. I was fully warned, so I went open with eyes wide awake. I was happy to share anything that was asked or questions that were brought up, if they were done with the right intention in certain topics,

which I'm sure you're gonna ask me about. I don't think I was prepared for the media to twist my words like what they did over and over again. That surprised me that I could take something that was positive or funny, and then it's like... I think I said on an interview, like, I literally was with Jenna Lyon saying like, ha-ha, wouldn't it be funny if we were rivals? It was a joke.

Even in the interview, I say it's a joke. And then the headline is, Rebecca tries to produce fake scene with Jenna Lyons. I was like, are you kidding me? You know, like just that was really shocking to me. And it made me wanna not open up because you're like, now what are people gonna say? So that was hard to navigate. I'm sure from this interview, people are gonna twist my words again. And I'm like, now what are people gonna say? So that was hard to navigate.

I'm sure from this interview, people are gonna twist my words again. And I'm like, okay, here we go. Let's see what they come up with now. So that's a fascinating thing to see how reality can be twisted like that. I said this earlier and I'd love to know your opinion on it, but I thought it was very strange

how they crucified you for not talking about your religions and all of that stuff. but we have Jenna Lyons who doesn't open up about what she had for breakfast. So like, how do you find the balance of like, why do I get hold to this such high expectation, but other people in this cast don't? You know, I think in the moment when I was going through reunion whack-a-mole, as I'll call it,

it was something that came to my mind. I was like, wait, there's a lot of things that people aren't talking about. And there are a lot of things that were done and reshot by some other cast members when they weren't happy with the outcome. Why is this just on me? But I think, I don't know what goes into the minds

of who gets the favoritism or the free pass and who doesn't. But I think that certain people were allowed to not talk about things and that was okay for them to have those boundaries. And with me, the irony, right, if I would have commented and like, want to talk about it, want me to share everything, people would have been like, she's proselytizing, she's trying to convert people. So either way, right, if I was going to be reserved and or if you're, you know, asking me respectfully, I'll engage.

But any way I played it in that scenario, I likely would have been attacked. So sometimes you just go, oh, you know what? I can't please all and I'm just gonna do the best that I can do, if that makes sense. Yeah, totally. Do you have, like, as far as the Brynn and Uba of it all, you know, and we mentioned this kind of earlier,

you know, obviously this is a very sensitive topic as it relates to what happened to Brynn, but yeah, how do you see it? Because another thing that I really noticed too, it's just like all the women were just basically calling Brynn a liar about many things. It's like Brynn would say, I had ketchup, whatever, and she's like, you didn't say that.

And at the same time, we obviously wanna hold space for Brynn and this very terrible event that happened to her. How did you see it in terms of the other women being so certain of Brynn's intentions? Because while it does seem like Brynn has some issues with the truth, when it came to this event, of Brynn's confession about what happened to her in some ways I understand Brynn being like, you know, I wasn't in the right mindset, you know, this is a very traumatic event

She's people are coming at her. She's obviously triggered. Yeah, and while it seems like she you know, I understand uber's frustration I understand that they have a lot to work through some of the other women being so certain of Brin's intention in accusing her of trying to destroy Uba, that was a little lost on me because how can they be so sure of something, especially when we're talking about sexual assault, we're talking about trauma and things of that nature?

But where do you land on that topic? I land on the topic, first and foremost, I 100% believe what Brynn said happened to her. And I think that any woman who has had to go through that experience, I can't even imagine what's going through your mind and how you talk about it afterwards. You know, being there in that moment,

seeing it all go down in real time, it was very clear that Uba did not know. And that once again, as we saw throughout the season, Brynn was stirring the pot and it went too far. The pot overflowed. And I think, you know, none of us were recording this and maybe we should have, cameras were down, everyone had gone home.

And when she was telling us the story of how it got, you know, how she told Uba and details were missing and things were down, everyone had gone home. And when she was telling us the story of how it got, you know, how she told Uba and details were missing and things were changing, it just became clear that Uba didn't not know. I don't think that anyone swears on their deceased mother or their future unborn child or has the visceral reaction. I was in the room with Uba. I was the one sitting in front of her getting her to come back down to earth because she was not here. I was packing her bag for herba. I was the one sitting in front of her getting her to come back down to earth because she was not here. I was packing her bag for her so she could leave for the hotel.

Someone doesn't act like that if they knew. So I think two things can be true. What Ben went through sounds horrific and a nightmare, but to weaponize that as Sai said, it's unacceptable. And we watched these little lies and these twisting of truths all season. It was very obvious, you know, happened to me right away almost.

So I think that, yeah, it's sad. Do you think Brynn's intention was to weaponize it? I mean, you were there. So maybe we're being a little critical of the other ladies. I don't think she goes, ooh, let me weaponize this. I think she said, ooh, let me start, you know, this fight and have it be chaos.

Because all night, if you look back, for 24 hours she was throwing out bait to different people. She threw it out to Erin, she threw it out to Jessel. She, in one scene, and if they ever wanna play this footage, she's like, why don't you start this? And I was like, I wasn't there, I'm not doing that. And, you know, she takes a shot, rolls her shoulders back and throws out the big. So to me, I think she was just looking for someone to bite. And unfortunately it was the wrong topic to have someone bite.

So you, you think she knew what she was saying when she said it and she knew she was saying something that wasn't true. I think she knew what she was saying. I don't think she knew the drastic consequences. I think she thought maybe this will end and erupt like any other situation, but this topic you can't do that with. But I don't want to assume and put words in her mouth or tell anyone what she was thinking because I have no idea to be honest.

We understand that, but you were there and it's like it's easy for us to debate you know hypotheticals when we weren't you know like it's it matters to see someone's body language and look on their face when they say something as opposed to like maybe she was hysterical and you're like I don't know maybe she honestly had no idea what she was saying. So it's interesting to hear your point of view. I think it was just a bad, bad move on the chessboard to have that be the topic. Do you think Brynn is trying to produce the show?

I think that at times she tried to produce, yes. Yeah. And I think that no one wants that. So I think we didn't like it, the producers didn't like it. The fans didn't like it. But at the end of the day, you need conflict. And would we have had conflict without Brynn? I don't know.

So in a way, she can be great for that franchise. Yeah, it's tough. If you really look at it. This drama aside, to that point, it's like if Jenna's gonna be like, how's my robe? It's really tough to work with that. If your stick is the unproblematic queen,

I don't know how to work with that. Listen know? If your stick is the unproblematic queen, I don't know how to work with that. It's like. Listen, I would sit there going, okay, none of us are naturally and organically gonna fight. And you know what, sometimes I'm like, Brynn took one for the team in a way that she was aware of the conflict that needs to happen

in order for this to be interesting. Good or bad. And I think that, you know, at the end of the day though, it needs to be real, it shouldn't be produced. How did it feel to be in a space that these people preach, like, you know, women empowerment and support women and this and that, and then to have all of these women bash your brand?

Well, luckily it was only two people brashing my brand. Who were the two Well, luckily it was only two people brushing my brand. Who were the two? I think it was only two. I think it was just Brynn and then Erin at the end. Well, there was the interview I think of, wasn't it Uba? Someone saying that you had gifted them the bags and they were like, yeah, I haven't worn them or not my style or something.

Oh yeah, that was Erin. Uba said she liked the bag and so I don't count her as bashing. I guess it hurt more when Erin did it, because Erin's my friend. It hurt less when Brynn did it. It was actually a gift, because I was like, oh, I see you now. Okay, this is the game we're playing? Cool.

It did not hurt me in the way that I think everyone expected. They were like, why didn't you stand up for yourself? I'm like, I don't even need... This is petty to me. Do you know what has happened to me in the 20 years I've built my business? Like I have been single white female in my own company. I have had, you know, things thrown at me. Like you name it, I've experienced it.

So someone trashing a brand just shows that they don't understand business, frankly. So that was not upsetting to me. It was just like, thank you for the gift. You know, my gut is right, I see you. For Erin, I was like, that sucks. upsetting to me. It was just like, thank you for the gift. My gut is right, I see you. For Erin, I was like, that sucks, that really sucks. And then I went low as well and I clapped back and here we are today, not talking.

I think that's what's so upsetting is like, they focused so much on other things in your life that it's like, you seem like you have been through so much and you have worked your way to such a high level of success that it's like, I would have loved to learn that about you, but they weren't interested in, you know. You know, that was the disappointment I had because going in and I truly believe this,

when I had my conversations with production, it was like eight elevated women, all self-made, diverse backgrounds, fun, funny, you know, with who I am and what I stand for and what I do all day long, I would never, I think, have agreed to come in to this type of environment had I known. And maybe someone can say that was naive of me,

but that's what I was genuinely told and it was reiterated many times. And so I think it's just this, you know, like, all right, how am I gonna navigate this in a way? I have to remain authentic to me. And I did show more. There are scenes on the cutting room floor, you know, of fun office stuff with my daughter and photo shoots

and dinner, you know, a dinner event, me and Jenna and Jessel and Raquel would too. Jessel and I did this fashion and founders event for 30 incredible designers. That was all there. UBA put together an amazing panel with Fern Malice and me and Melissa Wood Tepperberg and we talked about our careers, all gone.

So it was there if people had made the decision that that was important. And I think women are ready to see this stuff on TV. You can have both. You can have these powerful, awesome moments, and then you can have the petty fighting. But for whatever reason, it was all just this, Becky doesn't talk, and she's boring.

How much of your religion, specifically to Scientology, do you think impacted your experience on this season? You mean in how I was viewed? Well, that too, and how the women, you know, like I didn't realize when you would come on, they would, you know, your entire conversation would be mostly centered around that.

Yeah, I didn't really have that either. But yeah, did you think that's ultimately what framed your character arc or whatever? You know, they seemed to focus on that. There was a lot of focus on it. I very much felt like there's an entire world here, as I mentioned, just three scenarios that was not focused on. Again, I can't speak to why.

I'm assuming it's clickbait headlines and attention getting because it is a newer religion. People don't understand it, so they will click that over something else. I was disappointed in the fact that, you know, with almost everyone, I was happy to have the conversation, but I'm only going to have it with you if it's genuine and it's interest. It's not this salacious type seeking opportunity. And so that's where when I know you're going to do that, like at the the picnic if you've never bothered to get to know me and my experience with you thus far is these little annoying jabs and taking down my brand you think I'm gonna open up to you about my most personal and private beliefs like who

the hell would yeah you know so it was like a little laughable to me that they're like you should have opened up more oh really you made it safe for me I don't think so. And so that's how I kinda felt about it. I'm gonna try to ask you a question around this. You can let me know if you think it's respectful or not. But I want you to feel comfortable. There was a scene you had with Erin, like when she brought it up to you,

and you said something I found very interesting. Or Erin brought up criticisms that Scientology has received or something to that effect. And you said something like, you know, like all religions there are good and bad aspects to it or something like that. And like you have pulled through what you found to be the good aspects of that, right? Something to that effect that resonate with you?

Was it the reunion? No, you guys were at like a lunch or something, you know, and you were basically like, hey, listen, like there's just things that I've personally have benefited from, you know, being a Scientologist where it basically like, hey listen, there's just things that I've personally have benefited from being a Scientologist. Where it was like, I'm just saying, I kind of related to that comment, I grew up very Catholic, right?

So I have very positive experiences growing up Catholic. I don't practice much anymore these days, but my experience was always positive, right? And I resonated with that comment because as someone who grew up Catholic, I was also very much made aware from people a lot of times who weren't Catholic, some of their criticisms of the Catholic faith, specifically with some of the things

that priests have done and some of the, quite honestly, some of the very terrible accusations that have centered around Catholic religion. So, and as someone who was a Catholic, it's like I felt like I could still be a proud Catholic while also acknowledge that some things have gone on in the church that I don't necessarily stand for or agree with, but acknowledge that maybe they have happened.

And I think, for me, for example, and I'll just speak for myself, I know very little about your religion. I'm fully, and most of what I know is the criticisms it's received. And'm fully, and most of what I know is the criticisms it's received. And I think, and some of those criticisms make you a little uncomfortable sometimes where you're just like,

I don't even know how to talk to a Scientologist. I don't even know if it's safe to talk to a Scientologist because of some of the stuff I've heard. And I think sometimes people have those questions about the criticisms because like, they just wanna know like what's up, you know, type of thing where it's like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, so it feels like sometimes a refusal

to like even acknowledge some of the criticisms or even talk about them, which makes some people, I think not speaking for other people per se, but like even myself where it's just like, well, what's up with that? You know, because I can say, fucking some Catholic priest deserved to be in prison, and I'm cool with saying that. Does that make sense?

It makes total sense. So I'll say a couple things. I think that when you have any activity that involves millions of people, there are gonna be some dissatisfied customers. No one is discounting that. I can only speak from my experience of having done it and applied it to my life for the last 20 years

of what it's done for me. I also think that I am never, ever, ever uncomfortable by anyone asking me anything. You could ask me all the crazy questions about everything you've heard any time of day. It is only when I know I'm on a reality TV show, they're going to cut this, they're gonna have someone say something

behind my back about it. It doesn't end going in, you know there are these preconceived ideas. And I said it last night at the reunion, this show is not the format to answer everyone's questions in terms of, am I gonna get a fair shot? And I think you can see I didn't get a fair shot. So my observations were probably correct.

But if you wanted to ask me whatever you wanted, if we wanted to sit down and have a drink and you go, OK, this is everything, oh my gosh, I'm happy to clear that up because it's the misconceptions about it that I think people do want to know and rightfully so. And one of the things that Bryn didn't like, I was like, read a book, you know?

Go to the website, it's free. And she thought that was weird, but I'm like, but that's the source of the information, you know? So I'm never scared or uncomfortable, but it does come down to intention behind it. Is it to know and be curious and want to clarify, or is it to be snide and dig and try and, behind it, is it to know and be curious and want to clarify, or is it to be snide and dig and try and make someone wrong, if that makes sense?

Yeah, I mean, I guess I understand it. I mean, when it comes to some of the criticisms, are you, do you acknowledge that, are any of the rumors, or there must be some truth about them, kind of like I said, like you said, you can't speak for everyone, but I acknowledge that. I mean, a priest I knew growing up turned out to be a bad guy.

I mean, we'd have to sit here and go through every one of them. Yeah, no, and that's not my intention of doing that. The ones like Raquel, Raquel brought up I have to give a percentage of my salary. I texted her, I was like, by the way, ma'am, I don't give anything to anyone that I don't wanna give to, so let's just be clear.

She's like, well, good, because that would be a lot of money. And it was just like, no, I don't have to give a part of my salary to anything. It's my money. And so I think that there's, again, everyone has different questions, but I can tell you that the things that were asked of me,

at least from the cast, that I answered, whether with Jessalyn or Kel, no, those things are not true. And for me again, it helped me overcome extreme depression, depression that I thought I could never get out of. It helped me be a better mom and communicator and raise children that, you know, while they're not perfect, neither am I, are good happy kids. Okay. Well, thank you for answering some of those questions. What's next for you, Rebecca? Well, my book, Fearless, is out in paperback.

I guess you could say I was a bit fearless going in and getting out of Roni. And what my goal was in writing this book was to have 22 very easy tools that you can remember when you're facing things that scare the fuck out of you. And do you proceed? And so after 20 years in business, I felt like I had enough insane stories to tell. So I'm telling you these rules through my stories of failure and cringe-worthy moments

and the lessons I learned. And then I have my podcast, which continues to be exceptionally exciting with the guests I have. And I'm just working on my 20th anniversary, which is all year long. We're just going to party. All right. Well, thank you for taking the time, Rebecca. We really appreciate it. Sad to see you leave, Ron Roni and wishing you nothing but the best going forward. Thank you guys for having me. Thank you Rebecca. All right, take care. It was very uncomfortable asking that Scientology question.

I think you did that very, very well. I 100% get where she's coming from. If you are of any, to talk, to open up about any personal aspect of your life, whether it's your beliefs, whether it's whatever you practice, whether it's children, whether it's past trauma, personal aspect of your life, whether it's your beliefs, whether it's whatever you practice, whether it's children, whether it's past trauma, like anything in your life,

you don't wanna open that up in a room of people who don't give a fuck about you. And like, don't create a safe space. Like I 100% get where she's coming from. I wouldn't answer any questions either. Same. Same. I think it was gross of Bravo to do what they did to her regarding Scientology.

However, why bring her on the show? And then why platform something that's that controversial in that way without fully having the capability to deal with it? It's just, why did they do it? And cut out every other thing she ever shot for the show. It's like, you brought her on, yeah, it's gross. Because now she's reality TV's like spokeswoman of Scientology.

I'm also so confused because I feel like they're making weird editing choices because Vanita from Southern Charm also posted a video earlier this week and it was from the past episode of them being out at a bar and like having fun and drinking and all that stuff. And it's like we don't get to see any of that. This season has been so boring. And then to come to find out that they filmed all of these events and things that they were actually working with together, it's like,

why did we see none of that besides you guys sitting two by two talking about other cast members who were there? I would love to see her at a photo shoot with her children. I would have loved to see her speak about her business. I would have loved to see her in other rooms with the women, but it's like, yeah, that is- In theory though, but maybe it just didn't land. Maybe she was born.

Bravo needs to bring back their unseen footage episodes. They used to do it every single season of Housewives where like the last two episodes were after reunion and it was just like every single footage you haven't seen, just there to watch. Yeah, Vanderpump, they did that on Vanderpump too and it was just like the most chaotic scenes that didn't make the episode.

But even then, the episodes were chaotic and good. It's like you're cutting out all of the meat and bones and all of the good stuff, and then you're handing us a carcass being like, how do you feel about this? And it's like, I fucking know nothing. It's boring. No taste, no flavor, no seasoning, no meat. I think it's safe to say all these ladies on Rony

were very measured and very safe and very uncomfortable with leaning in, except for Bren, and not to excuse her for some of the behavior we saw. It was interesting to hear Rebecca, like, you know, all these women, it seems very clear that they think Brynn knew what she was saying when she was saying it. Right. I was like the only other person I feel like

that was like vulnerable or gave us something outside of dynamics in this friendship group was Raquel, who actually like opened up about like her relationship with her parents and all that stuff. And I was like, why does nobody else get? I feel like Jessel kind of did. Jessel did too. And Jessel did too, for sure.

But I'm like, yeah, so it's like, but with these people that have so much power, and Raquel is just as powerful as Jenna Lyons, for example, that I'm like, why are we not having Rebecca showing her at events, showing her interacting with other people besides just people talking about her? I think the one criticism I wanted to ask Rebecca

about Scientology is the accusations around some of the people in that community are known to harass and bully former members. It's tough because I get what you're all saying. I really, I do. We don't talk about religion, period, on this show. We don't be like, why are you Buddhist? Like, we don't interrogate people's religions,

but with this particular one, there is a lot more controversy around it with a lot more salacious theories and accusations that do make you uncomfortable, given like a lot of people's beliefs that they're not rumors, that they're truth. And there does seem to be a caginess or a resistance to talk about.

I know we're about, you know, I just, I don't know. I don't know. She, she had the talking points that many, many Scientologists that speak publicly about Scientology have. It's similar. They all say very, very similar things in a way that leads many people to believe that there's coaching aspect of it. The communication aspect of it is a big part of it.

It's a tricky, it's a tricky one. Yeah, so she seems lovely. Yeah, she seems lovely. Yeah, anyway, anyone who ever wants to watch the documentary, going clear, it makes you, is it a religion? I don't, like, it's a complicated question. Well, she seems delightful, and we wish her nothing but the best, and hopefully she's able to maintain her friendships with most of the cast. And, she seems delightful and we wish her nothing but the best and hopefully she's able to maintain her friendships with most of the cast. And I hope that Erin and her can reconcile. All right, that wraps it up for today. Don't forget to check out that interview with Karl Ratke. We have a really big week lined up for you next week.

Super excited about what is coming up then. We will see you then, bye.