The Viall Files - E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. Boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you. Momentarily, the icon herself, Denise Richards, will be joining us to just, you know, gab a little bit, talk about her new Bravo show. What's it called?

Denise and the Wild Things? Denise and Her Wild Things. Denise and Her Wild Things? And Her Wild Things. And Her Wild Things. Either way, it's a great title, we love it. We're excited to talk with Denise, fresh off her appearance on Special Forces.

And just like, honestly, like Denise, this has good stakes on life. So we're excited to talk with her. Then we have Alex from Love is Blind, fresh off her appearance on Special Forces. And just like, honestly, like, Denise has good stakes on life. So we're excited to talk with her. Then we have Alex from Love is Blind, the guy who was in the relationship with Madison. What a couple. Anyways, we'll be talking with him

and get into the rest of episode three through six of Love is Blind. I think that's what we were talking about. Four through six. Four through six. Then we have another icon herself, Grichelle Staus is with us to talk about her time on Traders, catch up with her great conversation

that we have with Grichelle. Very exciting stuff for you ahead. What's going on with this fish? All right, like I came in here, you guys are obsessed with some fish. You asked me if I watched Finding Nemo. I was like, why do I care about this? But what?

She's a diva taking the world by storm, Leia. It's really the only thing I care about right now, if I'm being honest. No, please. Okay, this black sea devil angler fish was spotted swimming to the surface of the ocean. Oh, this ugly little thing. They're not ugly. No.

They're not ugly. They live at the depths of the ocean floor essentially. So it's a big deal. It literally lives in darkness where the sun doesn't hit the ocean and it swam all the way up to the surface so that it could see the sun before it died. And I know that there's a scary environmental reason

that this is happening, but I'm gonna ignore it because it's so cute. They're not supposed to make it to the surface. So they provide light for like to catch prey, but also the organisms down at the bottom where there is no light. So how big is this fish? Pretty big. OK. Well, no. How small?

How big do you think that fish is? Just just judging by your gut instinct, how big do you think that fish is? Three feet. It's in the palm of your hand. Really? Yeah, it's really tiny. I didn't know it was that small. It's so small. You guys are gonna make me cry. And how did we find or discover this fish?

They made it look huge in finding Nemo. Some of them are bigger. Well, she was really small. Well, Nemo's... Okay, but think of clownfish, I guess, yeah. Yeah. Well, so what happened is basically she was dying and she wanted to see the sun.

She? Yeah, she. We know she. Yeah, it's her. We know her. Apparently the males are small. We're Yes, she, we know she, we know her. We're not, no, this is not, this is not. This is science. This is science. This is science to say publicly.

Yes. Okay. She was dying and she wanted to see the sun before she died. So she swam up to the surface. Oh my God. Who discovered this? How do we know?

And wait, is she dead now or? She's dead. She's not supposed to make it to the surface. She did die. But she did. But she saw the sun. Nevertheless, she persisted. Was she floating?

How do we know she, yeah. How do we know this? She's still alive. Scientists. Is this a story? Yeah. Also fish are not supposed to float to the surface. Like they regulate with like oxygen and whatnot

so that they stay below. Yeah, I mean, you know, should have. I don't know. I feel like all my goldfishes when they died, they were like belly up and like- The surface. That's what I'm saying. No, no, this fish swam to the surface.

She made a long journey. That is so beautiful. Yeah, she made a journey. You know what that reminds me of? There's like a veterinarian clinic somewhere. I don't know exactly where and what part of the country, but whenever they have to like euthanize dogs, they, like if they're sick or like old age or whatever, they give them a Hershey's kiss because they say, no

dog should die without trying chocolate. There's like a trend where people are like doing like a last day for my dog. And I, oh my God, I can't, I can't even think about it. Guys, this is getting really sad. Yeah, it is. Well, I found the remote under Nick's pillow, everyone. So that's where it was the whole time. Under my pillow? Yep, under your pillow.

That's where it was the whole time. Did you put it there? I put it there? So I was sleeping. Guess I'm not a princess. Pillow princess? You guys never heard of the princess and the pea? Oh.

Princess and the pea. I have. Princess and the pea. Yeah. I slept soundly, so I guess not a princess. That means that Nick's humble is what he's saying. Right. Is that what that is? Yeah, because remember she could fill the pea because she was so spoiled that even with like 20 different mattresses stacked on top, she felt the one pea.

I live a hard life. I really do. Is that special forces training? Yes, yes, yes. Yes, of course. Blake Lively has amended her complaint that came out yesterday with updates alleging that there are additional women coming forward or that additional women came forward

and complained about Justin's onset behavior and those people are prepared to testify at whatever trial may or may not come forward. So there is that. So I don't know, I imagine the Justin Baldoni people will pick it apart and all the online trolls. I'm just really, really looking forward to the day this finally goes to court.

I'm just looking for that day where I can tell all of you, I told you so, there's gonna be a lot of people who really embarrass themselves when the coming comes to mind most importantly, but you know. I don't think that's the biggest thing. Well, there's a lot of people, but I'm just like, most of the people who are like coming forward, just like people you've never heard of, they're like online.

Oh, I meant Whitney Cumming says other stuff she can be embarrassed for. But she was one of the more mainstream public figures to like seem to start writing for Justin, which I found a bit shocking. But whatever I do, I feel very confident that people are gonna find out. It does say though 137 page filing included new assertions of alleged misconduct saying in quotes Miss Lively was not alone in raising allegations of onset misconduct more than a year before the film was edited in evidence of alleged threats

harassment and intimidation of Lively and others in defendants' retaliatory campaign. I just think people really are missing the whole point. People should be really scared about how effective this online smear campaign of Justin Bononi has been. As soon as the witnesses start testifying, the accusation about Justin claiming he didn't stop when he didn't get consent and then her driver kicked him out like if he testifies, it's over. It's pretty easy to prove like the kind of online activity of Justin's smear campaign. You know, they're only just debating about who threw what punch first. Anyways, more to come. We'll see what happens, but we'll see what happens when they go to a trial. Leave it to the courts, like Ace Haprocki did, and he is now innocent.

Yeah, Ace Haprocki is proven to be found not guilty. Little different than innocent, but not guilty. Did you see his reaction where he jumped through the pews into Rihanna's arms? Yes, I read an article about that first, and I was like, they made it sound so like he dove into the crowd and flew across people. It really was like kind of crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it really was., they made it sound so like he dove into the crowd and flew across people. And I was like, it did. It really was like kind of crazy.

Yeah. Yeah, it really was like. Do we have it? I love a good bet on yourself story. And this is one of the more ultimate bet on yourself stories. A man who was offered six months in prison, turned that down, was facing up to 25 years in prison

and won. That's a big bet. That's a big bet. Let me see this video. Yeah. No, he dove. He absolutely dove. That's sexy.

He actually pushed someone out of the way to get to her. I think he like, like his lawyer was there and he was like, hug, okay, get the fuck off me, my wife. If I was married to Rihanna, I would do the exact same thing. She would be my number one priority. I don't even have to be married to her to wanna do that. That's so true.

Is Denise here? Yes. Let's bring her in. Your show is huge. I'm so happy for you. Thank you, Denise. It's amazing. Thank you.

It was probably because you came on. Oh, stop. Yeah. Well, I'm back, by the way. Thank you for having me. So good to be with you. How have you been? I've been great, thank you. It's nice to know, I, you can't. Welcome back by the way. Thank you for having me. So good to be with you. How have you been? I've been great, thank you.

It's nice to know, I hope you agree, but like first time you came on here, it was like, oh my God, we're having a niece. Richard's on, we're like a bond girl. And like now we're friends. I love that. Now we're like, we're family. And before, when I was here last time,

you weren't parents yet. You were pregnant. That's crazy. She was. So how is parenthood? It's been over a year. She just turned one beginning of this month. Isn't it crazy how fast it's-

It goes so fast. I honestly had a moment the night before her birthday and I was like putting her to bed and I was crying and I was like, I must've just been like blacked out. How did it go by this fast? Like there's no way. It goes by really fast. I made Nellie cry last night though.

Why? We were just talking about being parents and we're talking about our parents. And I just, I was empathizing with our parents because sometimes as we get older and like, I don't know, sometimes we just get annoyed with our parents or we have expectations of our parents or whatever, or we don't need our parents,

we want things from our parents. And I was just like, well, now that we have a kid, like every day that goes by, River will need us less and less. Shot in the heart. And then I just started crying. Obviously, because she has that bond, but I was just kind of pointing out that we're so used to River,

we can't look away for five seconds, especially now that she's walking. Oh, I know, right? Crazy, holy world like for survival, our daughter needs constant supervision and like every day goes by, she gets a little bit more independent and that'll be the case every day

for the rest of her life. And I think as we get older as adults, we will kind of push back on our parents and want and fight for that independence, right? And I think as parents, I'm imagining as your daughters have gotten older, you've felt that kind of. Oh, it's so hard.

It's such a hard adjustment. But at the same time, in a weird, strange way, they need us more when they get older too, because they need your advice. Even though sometimes they don't want to hear it. My mom even always said before she you know, she passed away, she was like, you never stop being the parent. You're always, I'm always going to be there and you're always going to need me. And I did, like, whatever was going on.

So it's just, and someone said this to me too, when, around when my oldest daughter was one, it was a director and he's like, you know what, you grow with your kids and it's so true, like you'll grow with them. So it's not like all of a sudden they're babies and then they're out of the house, even though it kind of is a blink of an eye of it happening. And my oldest is turning 21. It's crazy. In a few weeks. And I can't believe I have a 21 year old daughter. It's so weird. I remember being 21. It's so surreal and strange. That is fun. So how is, you know, so you have your new show out.

Yes, we have a new show. Love the name. Thank you. Did you come up with it? No, I did not. Alex Baskin did. Good old Alex. Yeah.

Good old Alex. Great name, right? It's a great name. It's a great name. I'm very excited about it. I think all of Bravo Nation is excited to have you back. Thank you so much for saying that. Were you feeling any type of anxiety or nerves about that

or feeling like maybe people weren't excited? Well, I think it's always a little nervousness, especially when you join the Housewives. The Housewives is successful no matter who's on the show. But when it's your own show, you're like, oh, Mopria. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's on the show. But when it's your own show, you're like, oh, Mokria. It's on all of us, me mostly. But, and it's a different experience having now,

my daughter's being older and they're very much a part of it. So it's exciting, but of course you're, you know, you're like, I hope people watch it. Oh my God, I hope they definitely will. Well, that iconic line when it was like, dude, you're being such a bitch. Don't call your sister a dude. I forgot I said that until I saw it.

I was like, oh gosh. I was more concerned about her calling her a dude than a bitch. That is why you are on TV. That is why, yeah, it is good. Was it a fun filming process? It was, but it was also challenging working with your family. And especially the older girls, there were times where they may be a little tired or something. I'm like, I don't care. We have to show up.

And I imagine when you guys discussed filming the show, like you went to your husband and the girls and asked their interest in doing it. Definitely. Yeah, Alex approached me and said, what do you think about doing a family reality show? And then he and I, and I thought that could be fun. I want to make sure though that the girls

were wanting to do it. And so he and I met with the girls and they had a couple of conversations with him and they were really excited about it. And then we shot a sizzle a year ago and then we started filming a little shortly after that. So it's been, and for that, it's very different because they've done, they

were on, we were on a reality show years ago, but they were so little. But then, and they've done a few scenes on Housewives, but to be very involved, it's a little different, but I think they had fun doing it. And then we'll see some Housewife cameos, it looks like. Mostly Bev Hills, or we're going to have some other franchise crossovers. Yeah. Mostly Bev Hills. Are're gonna have some other franchise crossovers. Yeah. Mostly Bev Hills.

Are you watching the season at all? I have, I've only seen a few episodes this season. Because last night was. I didn't see you last night. Oh, I'll have to catch up. It was a good episode, yeah. Oh. Who are you close with?

Camille. Specifically like this season and anyone on this current season? Sutton and Garcelle. Sutton and Garcelle. Sutton and Garcelle. And Kathy. Okay, I love Kathy. Can you help us get Kathy on this show?

Yes. I DM'd her once and she wrote back, she's like, let's do it. And then we went back and forth and she has since ghosted me. I know someone I can call to try to get her on. Okay. I'm sure she would love to be here. I think we would have so much fun.

She's hilarious. Oh, you would. She's so funny. She is so funny. Right? I would die, yeah. But like there was that scene last night where they were all fighting and Buzz was like, you should just be quiet.

And Kathy was like, you're right. You're right. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I will make a call when I leave here. Okay, I would really appreciate it. And also I just want to say how proud I am of you on your Special Forces appearance. Thank you so much for saying that.

Denise had called me up, so after not too, well a few months after she had came on the show, you know, and for people who don't remember, who didn't listen to the episode, Denise was very interested in asking questions about my time on Special Forces and then- Very nervous about the craft services and the potty. Yeah.

The potty, but I told you, I think I told you I wasn't, when I did do your show, I said there's no way I would do it, right? You seemed on the fence. You liked the idea- Oh, okay, because I remember I called you on the fence. I wasn't sure- You were still on the fence, yeah.

I was still on the fence. Now then I went to, I remember it because now then I decided to like drive to Calabasas for brunch. It was one of those things, let's do something different. And it went by, that was a nally, let's do something different.

So we drove to Calabasas for a brunch that wasn't as good, whatever. Anyways, Denise called. I was like, Denise, why aren't you just calling me? Oh my God, our friend. That's cute. But Denise called and she had some questions about Special Forces and I answered those questions

and she ended up doing it. And you were so committed to doing well. And that was your big thing when you called is like you really wanted to go and kind of test yourself and see what you're capable of. And I really admired that. Thank you. I was so naive to think I could go further than what I did.

But you did insane things. Like you jumped off of a moving boat onto a flying helicopter. I can't believe that. I was so dumb to do that. I could have really gotten hurt. That was a show. Well, yeah.

I was like, I'll just go. Did you not get hurt though? I didn't get hurt on that. Jumping off the bridge I did. Jumping off the bridge you did. Yeah. Oh, that one. That one, yeah.

Well, I thought it was incredible. You were literally a speeding boat jumping onto a helicopter and you did. Yeah. Oh, that one. That one, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, I thought it was incredible. You were literally a speeding boat jumping onto a helicopter and you did that. But you know what, in a movie, if that was like a real stunt, first of all, they wouldn't have the actor do it. Second of all, if we did, there would be all this, I don't know, you'd rehearse more,

you'd probably practice like somewhere else. It wouldn't be just like, okay, here we go, action, and just go. No, literally, exactly. Like when I went into that show, I was like, oh, they're gonna give us all this training. And no, what happens is like you're standing on, like, I don't know, the shoreline, and then they go look over there, and they like demo.

They're like, this is what you're gonna do, watch. And they're like, go do that. Like, that's it, that's all the training you get. Did you have to channel your, like, try and think like, okay, I'm in a movie, I'm acting, I'm gonna do that. Like that's it. That's all the training you get. See what you think about it. Did you have to channel yourself, like try and think like, okay, I'm in a movie. Yes, I did. I'm acting, this is how I'm gonna do that. I had to pretend like I was doing a movie. Wow.

If it was just me, I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't have been able to go. When I saw the very first thing we had to do was to jump off a moving boat in this weird water. I didn't know what was in there. And we didn't have our phones to Google the body of water. I wanted to see if there were sharks and shit. So they take our phones away, as you know.

And I was like, what the hell's in there? And it's dark and raining. And I don't know. Anyway, it was scary. And when the helicopter was going up, I thought, okay, the further I go up, the further I'm gonna go there. Down, yeah.

And so I just, I was like, I'm gonna let go. You're a badass. I told you when we talked, I'm gonna go, you can finish as long as you don't quit, unless you get hurt, and then you don't hurt. No, I did get hurt, but even if I didn't get hurt, I would have opted out with the fight stuff. When I saw they don't use a lot of head, like I don't need my nose broke in right now.

So I would have opted out for that. You're punching. You're just straight up fighting. Good for you. Like after doing it, I can't, for you to do what you did, incredible. Well, thanks, Ines. This is about you.

Well, thank you. But for obviously people, it's much harder than it looks. Was there any part of you watching it back that was like, I could, oh, really? I saw the clips. I don't like watching my stuff, but also that because in the room where they take the potato sack off your head, you know, I said stuff that I've never talked about before

and I didn't know what they were airing. And I was like, and when I left there, I was like, oh my gosh, why'd I say this? But I wanted to be honest too and get out what I could from the show. But I think that's part of it too. Yeah, you're a little bit like, I don't need to. I don't need to see what.

Yeah. Yeah. So how do, and how are we feeling about Denise and the Wild Things? I mean, the one thing that people will see, we have pretty much no filter, which is not a surprise with myself and my family. And it's just slice of life and I'm excited about it.

And it's also, you know, you're so vulnerable, like when you're like, oh my gosh, we shot a reality show and it's all of us just out there. Did you feel safer in this environment than with the housewives? Because obviously you can't control what all these other women are saying and they wanna create drama

and here you're with your family. I think I was more protective in this situation because of my girls. Because they've lived in the shadow of their parents their whole life. And for them to be out there on their own, in a sense that's, they're doing press, they're doing stuff, they've never done this before. So it's new for them.

So it's also being more protective about them being exposed to different things and comments and stuff like that. But that's, so I think it's a little bit of both. That makes sense, yeah. Is Charlie making any type of appearances? He is, yeah. He is, okay.

Did you approach him and ask that you were doing this? Yeah, I'm like, hey, can you do this? And he said yes right away. Then he was like, no, then yes. And then now I'm like, you wanted me to do something for your documentary, you're doing this. There you go. And he had a good time actually, I think.

It was a good experience. That will be fun to watch. Yeah, no, it was he and I and Lola and it was good. And the relationship with your husband and Charlie still pretty positive? Yeah, no, from day one, they've always had a pretty good relationship, which helps. What else have you been up to?

Well, that's been a lot. Okay. And- You have been quite busy with two shows. Been busy with that and just family life, as you know, with kids and it's been great and exciting. What have you been doing kind of just to unwind and kind of take care of yourself and relax?

What have you been doing for fun? Well, I think I told you, I don't know if I shared this with you, but if I didn't, this is my advice to you guys being new parents is I think it's good to always, like my husband and I, we do once a month where we'll do a staycation, where we will go to a hotel in the area

and just shut down and not have any distractions. And I think it's so important for especially young parents too, to not forget to have romance and have your time to always reconnect. Yeah, exactly. And it's nice to just have that. I mean, you could still have sex too at your house, but I'm just saying it's nice to have like no distractions

where, you know, so I love that. We went to New York for an interview which happened to be Valentine's Day. So we went alone. Oh, you did. Was that the first time leaving the baby? No, it's third? That was like our third,

but I think that was the longest time. It's usually like one night that we're able to leave. This was two nights. I feel like it's a good balance. I'm always saying to Nellie, like, this is good for her. I think this is good for us. It is. Because we're not going for any extended period of time.

We're very lucky to feel very safe and confident with the childcare that we do have, which is often her mom. Which is nice. And I think I read somewhere you learn, but like, you know, at some point your child needs to learn that you can leave and come back. Right.

And so even if it's for a short period of time, and so yeah, we're, you know, testing the waters, nothing extended, it's a little nerve wracking for sure. There's always a little bit of guilt, you know, just to be away. It's because now she like knows that we're gone, you know? Like before she just was so little, she didn't really like know what was going on.

And now it's like, if we FaceTime and the FaceTime hangs up, she's crying, she's mad. But then she's fine after that. Yeah, it's like five seconds. Exactly. And you know what, when she's 10, she's not gonna remember. That's true.

And she's not gonna be like, oh, my parents left me. And I think it's important for kids to know, like mom and dad, or mom and mom, or dad and dad, whoever is, like, it's okay for them to, like, they need their time too. Yeah. I think it's good for kids. I think so. And then when they get a little bit older, you'll be like, can we leave for a week? Yeah.

We gotta get out of here. Mom, can you watch her? They're crazy. Yeah. Do you keep up with Kyle or Dorit at all? Mom, Dorit I don't. I, Kyle though. Okay.

Yeah. So you don't know anything about what's going on with Dorit's marriage? I don't. I mean, I've heard- It's a big storyline of this season. I see that. Yeah, Kyle's involvement and like PKs, the friendship,

it's all a big mess on this season. I personally don't know, like I didn't ask Kyle about it. I mean, if I were in your position, I would definitely not. But like I see, I don't watch often at shows I'm on. I did watch special forces though. Well, how could you not? When you win. You know, you made it to, you know, as far as you did.

But I don't watch any of my acting. That's been traumatic for me. Why is it traumatic for you? I think it's a little imposter syndrome for sure. I don't really need to critique my performances. I was just happy to be there. And do you want to do more acting? Do you like it?

I do like it. You know, I was doing more a few years back with the show taking off and us being so busy. I've had less opportunities and certainly have had less opportunities to study and practice because I'm not a natural. That's for sure. I do like I really enjoyed studying it and taking the classes and getting better and like understanding what it took to be a good actor and just like the prep that goes into it and more than anything just kind of having respect for acting and before I took any acting classes I would just watch movies, I'd watch TV and I would just be watching a show.

I wouldn't really even think about the performances, you know what I'm saying? And then once you are able to go on set or you study acting a little bit, you do acting classes, you watch in a different way. And I've enjoyed that process of being aware of that's watching a performance and realizing what that is and understanding how TV is made or how movies are made.

I have a much different appreciation for it. So if I get the opportunity to do it, I would love to do it. But it's not something that I'm like, I'm not studying it as much as I used to. Just like the show, Fatherhood, things like that. It's been tougher, but how about you? Like, are you- Well, it's funny too, when I watch movies or TV shows,

if it's a night scene, I'm thinking, oh gosh, they're freezing. They were, you know, you're up all night doing these shoots. And so I do look at it two differently. Or if it's action movies are hard. Like if it's a one line here or there, and to do that well is not as easy as it looks sometimes.

So it is, you just look at it a little differently. Well, that's the thing, the better the performance, the easier it looks because you don't really think of the performance. It looks like someone just experienced, you're like you were watching a documentary. Do you think you'll ever wanna get back into acting, or are you really enjoying the reality TV?

Yeah, I mean this year has been tough with that, because with the strike and things, I was gonna be doing a few projects, but they all got pushed. But I love acting, and I've been lucky that I've done a few other movies, but this year has been a little with the business and stuff. But I love it. I love being on set.

I love the camaraderie with everyone and collaborating. It's fun. How were you affected if at all with the fires? I know like you're in Malibu. Calabasas. We did have to evacuate. We were so lucky though. We did have to evacuate.

We were so lucky though. I mean, my gosh. Living in LA, my whole adult life, seen fires here, that was the worst I've ever seen. The worst to see what's happened to- But you guys were safe. Yeah, we were. Did you have to, I mean, I know we did

and it was a very traumatic thing to even have to like pack a to-go bag to like think of everything that you cannot replace. Well, because we were in the Woosley fires and I learned after that, you have to have everything ready because we lost some things in that one. But with this time, like trying to,

we did have to evacuate. We were out for about two weeks almost. Where'd you go? Santa Barbara. We got an Airbnb. We were hotel hopping and then we were able to get like a, because also we didn't have power. Mostly it was that.

So, but it's all good. We're all safe and everything's great. So. Good. Curious, you know, in Housewives world, you know, it's like there's a lot of close friendships, as you know, and then, you know, but it's also a lot of, you're in the limelight,

you know, Housewives sometimes is predicated off of jealousy and things like that. I'm curious, like getting your own show while nerve wracking and obviously the pressure, I feel like there's a lot of Housewives out there that would prefer their own show rather than being part of an ensemble cast. And have you felt any jealousy or has it just been all support from your friends? Or the ones I'm friends with, I've felt support.

Okay. I don't know the ones that I'm not friends with. They can be pissed for all we know. Someone just breathing on the other with. Yeah. They can be pissed for all we know. I'm not sure. Late night phone calls and someone just breathing on the other end and hanging up. Yeah, no. I'm sure they're, you know, whatever. I don't.

I don't mean to say it like that. But it's like, when you're, if I gave a fuck, I would have, you know, I've had so much shit said over the years and that kind of thing that at some point I just had to have thick skin and just do what I wanted to. It is honestly such a healthy mindset I feel like to have is just to be like, I don't give a fuck. Like I really don't.

It's a blessing in a way when you've had shitty shit written about you. You're like, at some point you're like, okay, well what more could they say? No, I really don't care. It's fine. I'm just gonna live my life. Do you remember, was there any particular thing

that you had to go through that you really got good at? My divorce. Your divorce? Yeah, that was really hard. That was the first time I ever experienced bad press and being misunderstood and having lies out there where I felt like I had to defend it. And, you know, my publicist, who I'm still with,

I've been with her forever, would tell me don't say anything and I would just be so I really wanted to but she was so right with that just to sit back, just be quiet. But it's hard because when you're misunderstood, and, you know, I kind of had to go in a bubble and not read anything or hear about anything because it's, it could be very toxic and dark, especially having young babies trying to be a mom and a single mom and doing all of that. And it affected my job. It was really hard. But it was such a good lesson for me because I was always like a people pleaser and worried when I did interviews what to say. Bless you. Thank you. You're welcome. So it was just, it was actually the silver lining

going through all of that was that I was able to just be myself doing stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah, I feel like today's, like I feel like TikTok is the like nasty okay magazine and like the like tabloids of that era who would just print crazy false like makeup so I feel like tick-tock is that today because it's like Anyone can say anything and run with it and it gets millions of views and goes viral and whatever and so yeah

It's like for me. I don't I don't get on tick-tock I don't because like the second I get on I have an intense anxiety of like what I know because people can just say They can say whatever and And it's crazy. It is crazy. Yeah. I'm glad I didn't go through my divorce during this time. Yeah. Oh yeah, now it's nuts out there.

No, it's not good. Yeah. But there's a lot of positive with it all too, but still, I'm glad my shit was before that. Yeah. I was gonna ask you something I forgot. Are you gonna ask me about the toilet on Special Forces? You want me to?

No, I'm joking. That was one of your, when you were sitting here, you were like, I'm worried about the craft, the food. You're like, where's the craft services set up? There's no craft service, you were right about that. There's definitely no craft service. No, there isn't. There is at the end.

Right. When you finish. And you go through the gates. There's a whole camp. Where the hell do you guys pass? Civilization, you're like, what the fuck? I know, it's so crazy. They have hot tea for you.

Yeah, real food, chips, soda, whatever. Did you guys have a changing room outside with the heaters? There was a changing room outside with the heaters? There was a changing room next door with, yeah. Like when you were doing your tasks and if you guys got cold or whatever. Yeah, there was like a drying room. So we had to dry our clothes that were hanging.

No, but not in the camp, but like when you're out doing stuff, cause I remember when you guys were doing that, there'd be even just a little plastic tent. Sometimes there was a tent. We never had that a little plastic tent. Sometimes there was a tent. We never had that. Well, the first time there was a tent, and then there was always a tent for safety,

but then they wouldn't let us use the tent. Oh! So unless you were dying, you had to change outside. Oh, okay, got it, got it. Yeah, I was surprised by that. And when you have to change on TV, I was like, oh gosh. Well, it's network television. You just have to trust that, you know, someone's gonna see it, but hopefully not America.

I know, but still. And it's freezing. Yeah. Especially for us guys, you know. Wait, so the potty was, it was just a bucket, right? Well, no, I did get a private toilet. Okay. What do you mean? So there's the ones where the door, because I was like, I don't want where you could see legs.

I want the full door. That was at Denise Richards request? Yeah, I'm like, I'm not gonna sit next to someone doing that. Did they build full? So it took a month and then we heard back. So I thought, I'm not gonna, I'm not doing the show. And then they were like got we got the toilet sorted They called it the dumpster something. I forgot

What it was called, but I said They said it would just be for me and I said, I'm sure they're gonna love that. I'm saying this but I'm so sorry producers but that So I said I don't want people to know it's just my toilet Because then I'll have a target on my back and then they're going to not like me. So it was for everyone, but I said, well, where is this toilet going to be?

Do we get a tour of the place? I thought the producers would like show us around and then on TV it would be the Tia's. It's not like that. You don't even see the producers. So I saw, she goes, trust me, you're gonna see where the toilet is. And I saw it was like covered with some, I don't know what, shrubs or some shit. Cam Newton is so damn tall. He just leaned over. He's like, wait a second.

There's a toilet in here. So yeah, but I, so I didn't, I shut my mouth. I didn't say anything. But apparently after I left, Golden Tate told me they locked the door and I didn't last long. So I was like, that's kind of shitty. Why didn't they leave that thing unlocked for everyone else?

But no one knew that it was, yeah. Wow. Once I was out, which was only two days. Are you watching Traders at all? Yes, I love it, it's so great. Would you ever do it? Yeah. I bet they would give you whatever toilet you want.

They asked me actually to do it, but it was a couple days after Special Forces. Well, I like the breakfast. They asked you to do this past. This past, but I couldn't because we started filming our show. You'd be a badass. So I had to get back to LA. I couldn't because we started filming our show. You'd be a badass. Right. So I had to get back to LA.

But yeah, when I see that, that castle with that nice breakfast. The outfits. What about next season? Would you do it? Yeah, I probably would. I love the show. Yeah.

It's so good. Who were you rooting for the most on this season? I wish Chrishell didn't get off. I liked her. She's so sweet. I know, she's sweet. I love Dolores. Yeah.

She's great. Such a shame she got voted. That was Dorinda. Oh, Dorinda. Dorinda. Too many Ds, Housewives. The other Housewife. They really do target.

Dorinda was great too. Yeah, they really do target Housewives though. They do. They do. So you would have to be like, I'm not a Housewife. They didn't last season. I am Denise Richards of The Wild Things, I am not. I don't think they'd give a shit.

So you obviously watch the show, would you do it? I would, I hope we get a chance, it's tough with the show. Right, you're kind of busy with the show. Yeah, but hopefully someday. Do you think he should do it? Oh yeah. And do you think he should be a traitor or a faithful? I think he should be a faithful

just because he's really not a good liar at all. Like he's one of those who's like, I lied to you earlier about, I just can't, I can't go on any longer. Like I didn't take the trash out, I lied to you. So I feel like if he was a traitor, there's a lot of like manipulating and lying. Usually it's not the trash, it's like, did you smoke weed? I'm like if he was a traitor, there's a lot of manipulating and lying. Usually it's not the trash.

It's like, did you smoke weed? I'm like, no. Can't you smell that though? No, it's what? What, did you smoke weed? What, huh? And then he gets up and like, oh, someone's at the door.

I have to go hang up clothes or something. I have to leave immediately. When you, who gets the remote? I would like to have it. However, then it sat down and then all of a sudden he takes it and puts it on the other side. I'm like, where the hell's the remote? And then you're looking for it for forever.

Yeah. And he's like, I don't know. Do y'all get in bed at the same time? If it's like, okay. And then. And we like to watch the same stuff. Yes, good. So, yep, so do we.

Does like, he get your water, turn off the lights, lock the doors. He does all of that. He does the nightly duties. Yeah, he does the nightly duties. As he should, right? Right, yes. He brings me coffee in the morning. Oh my God.

Yeah. Every morning. Same. Oh, you do? I made my own this morning, so. I asked you. Not today. Yeah, not today.

Okay, he's gonna have to make up. Now, I turn into a little barista, and she has her little cappuccino machine. I offered to make her coffee and then she's like, no, I got it. Mm-hmm. But then I said, actually, you know what? I would like for you to make me coffee,

but he never turned on the... I did, no. What happened? Because there wasn't coffee and I had to make my own. Why did she have to make her own coffee today? Because I was also making our daughter breakfast. Okay, so when your daughter wakes up in the middle of the night, if she, I'm sure she sleeps through the night,

but I'm sure if she wakes up, who gets up with her? Oh, that's nice. But I enjoy it. Honestly, it's really because if I were to go in there, it would be like time to play. It's harder to get her back down. Yeah, it's a lot harder. He, she's a lot more of like a calmer energy.

It's great. I walk in, I get, I put on one of his robes. It's like a mini dress. That's so cute. The river is like this and then we cuddle and then I put it back to sleep. So she doesn't sleep in your room now? She did in the beginning. We, she, we transitioned her to her crib at like four months,

four and a half months, and she loves it. And she like, I put little stuffed animals in each corner of the crib and she like will play. How old was she when she started sleeping through the night? Honestly, when we put her in at four months, she was like, I'm good to go. Oh, isn't that nice?

Now we got real lucky. And now sometimes we try to bring her into our room, but like now it's too much of a distraction. Right. Well, there's no like, let's fall back asleep everyone. It's like, I need to be on top of my mom. And it's amazing how much room they take up for being so little.

It's crazy. It's crazy. I'll be on like the far corner and she's really close up next to me. And then Nick is really close. And I'm like, there is so much room Nick on your side, you've gotta scoot over. Everyone has got to scoot.

But most nights I have Jeff, so Steve's in the kennel. They're dogs. Jeff is in the bed. And wait, what kind of dog is Jeff? I love the names. They're Labradoodles. They're little doodles. Labradoodles, oh.

But Jeff is just like up next to me and there are some nights where I'm just sandwiched between Nally's body heat and Jeff's body heat. And I'm in pants. And she's in pants. So it's extro-pissed. Do you sleep in pants? No, I sleep in either my husband's boxers

or I have these skims shorts. Yeah, yeah. We love skims. I love skims so much. Yeah, I don't. Nally sleeps in pants. It's because our house is really cold. And I skims so much. Yeah, I don't. Now I sleep in pants. It's because our house is really cold. And I-

I keep the room cold, but I like thousands of blankets and my husband doesn't like to sleep. This is where we have our disagreements with the bedding. Cause I like really thick weighted comforters. He likes the soft shitty ones. And so- Paper thin. Yeah.. And so like, paper thin.

Yeah. And I'm like, that thing, I need to feel like I'm being hugged. Yeah. That's not hugging me. Especially if you're in shorts. Yeah. And I like the room cool,

but I like to be under a thousand, like very thick blankets. But we have Tim that sleeps with us. That's our naked cat. And Blue, Not your neighbor. Is our naked cat. Not our neighbor,

not Tim the neighbor. When you said Steve's in the kennel, I said our dog. Because I know he'd be like our cousin. But Jeff isn't. I think that hurts. Steve is naughty. Steve is so bad. He opens drawers, he pulls stuff out in the middle of the night.

In fairness to Steve, there's been of a transitional period. Jeff was our first. So Jeff kind of got dibs. And we kettle trained Jeff right away. I love the names too. Every time, as soon as we got Jeff, everyone's like kettle train, kettle train.

So we did, we kettle trained Jeff. I think it's kennel. What did I say? Kettle. It's okay. I know what he was talking about. Kettle chips, you know? Kennel, whatever.

Valentine's, Valentine's, doesn't matter. You all know what I'm saying. Anyways, we trained him and eventually Jeff started sleeping with us. We loved it, it doesn't matter. You all know what I'm saying. Anyways, we trained him. And eventually, Jeff started sleeping with us. We loved it, it was great. It's so nice. Yeah, it was wonderful. And then we had a child.

Well, then we got Steve. It was like, you know, we had a good first baby, like Jeff. Jeff was a very good dog. Just really well behaved, kettle trained. Well, we just kinda like didn't kettle train Steve. And so Steve started getting in bed with us. We were having two dogs. It was just, it got a little nuts.

It's a lot. I get it. We had to go back. So, and then Steve was kind of misbehaving. So we had to go back, kennel train him. Now he likes the kennel. And honestly, like it's just too many fucking dogs in bed. And Steve, when we go to bed,

he just goes right into his kennel. That's like his bedroom. That's his bedroom. He's good. Yeah. Every once in a while, like he'll, you know, we'll forget to lock the kennel because usually he'll just stay in there

and sometimes he creeps up on the bed. Is the kennel in your room? Yeah. Oh, that's sweet. But Steve is much better with River. Like they're friends. Oh, that's good. Jeff wants nothing to do with River.

If she comes near him, he's like, ugh. That's so cute though. And Steve will let she comes near him, he's like, oh, that's a cute dog. And Steve will let her pet him. That's so sweet. Steve and River are gonna be very close friends. Oh, that's really sweet. Was Tim around when your girls were younger? No, Tim, he's only two years old.

Him and his sister are dogs that most of them have passed away, but they were always good with the girls. We do have Lily. She's 12 though. So, yeah, she's a always good with the girls. Yeah. We do have Lily. She's 12 though. So, yeah, she's a lab. She's getting up there. She loves to sleep in the bed, but she's a lab. So she had stairs, but then my husband now he moves the stairs.

So she can't go up. He's like, this is too much. With the naked cats. With the naked cats and the naked cats, they're like heaters. So, yeah. And blue sleeps down by my legs and it's really hot. And then Tim sleeps on Aaron's under his armpit. So we have a full bed too.

It's a full bed. It's a full bed. Yeah, it gets hot. There's a lot going on. There's a lot talking to other couples, isn't it? Do you and Aaron share a drink? What do you mean? We have a communal cup.

We drink like at dinner. Nick and I will make one big Stanley, have like full water and we, there's one straw and we share. I mean, I would take a sip out of it if I couldn't find my water. Right, but you have your own. But we have our own. Yeah, okay.

But I'm not judging by any means. No, of course. But yeah, yeah, we don't. We are very much in the minority of that. When you guys are filming season two. Thank you for saying that. Can you guys are filming season two. Thank you for saying that. Can we double date?

Can we do like a scene? Okay, I'm gonna hold you to that. Actually. You swear you'll do it? Yeah. Okay. I mean, as long as it's fun. My husband would love to talk to you because- As long as it's fun and we goof around.

Oh, we would. He's so obsessed with special forces. Why I really did that damn show is because of him. You wanna turn him on? That's why I did it show is because of him. You wanted to turn him on. That's why I did it. No, I actually thought I wouldn't turn him on because I thought there's no way I could even do this damn thing.

No, he wanted to live vicariously through me, I think, because he would kill it if he did it. So I know he would love to talk to you about it. He loved you on the show. We would, yeah. So we'll double date. We'll do a little, we'll for sure do that. Denise and the Well Things Cameo So we'll double date. We'll do a little date. We'll for sure do that. We'll do a little Denise and the Wild Things cameo. That would be fun.

I would love that. We'll just be your friends. Thank you. Yeah. Well, we are friends, thank you. I know, but I want the world to see us be friends. You're just like, we're just having dinner with our friends, Nick and Natalie.

That would be fun. Yeah. Okay. You guys have to make sure. Yes. Okay, thank you. Oh my God, absolutely. Sign us up.

We're there. Tell Alex. So I love that you Yes. Okay, thank you. Oh my God, absolutely. Sign us up. We're there. Tell Alex. So I love that you're a cowboy, Geert. Do you ever want to move out of LA? Yes. Where would your dream place go? Somewhere in the South.

I want to go to Tennessee. So I'm from Alabama, lived in Georgia for a while, grew up going to Tennessee a ton. So I think we just have a lot, like I just, since having River, I feel like we both want to just like raise her in a different, a slower life, a slower atmosphere, you know, bigger community, closer to family.

So I do think we're gonna end up in the South at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later. But- So does your mom- If we have a house in Tennessee or anywhere in the South at some point, maybe you guys can, you and Erin come and visit. We would love that.

And we'll do like a whole episode of like, Denise Goes to the South. To Alabama. Yeah, we can do it. Or Georgia, or Texas, wherever, yeah. I don't think I'll move to Alabama. I need like, He needs a little bit of, I understand he lives.

Humanity. Yeah. Now you might offend some people that live in Alabama. Natalie's mom lives in Alabama. All right, fine. Listen, it's lovely. I've been there, it's great. I understand.

Not for me. It's not for you to live there. It's not for me to live. I get it. As someone who grew up there, it is quite boring. At least the place. I mean, I grew up in a college town and if you're like not in college or retired,

it's like, you know, not much to. I get it. But your mom lives out here now. No, no, no, my mom's still in Alabama. She comes to visit like once a month for a week or something, yeah. That's so nice. Yeah, she's been very helpful when it comes to helping us

have an adventurous life. That's good. Would y'all ever move out of LA? Yeah, for sure. Really? Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever leave LA. I would always wanna have a place. We aspire to be bi-coastal.

I think that's good. But if I could do it all over again with kids, I would raise want to have a place. We aspire to be bi-costal. I think that's good. But if I could do it all over again with kids, I would raise them somewhere else. I don't think our children will be going to school in the Los Angeles school system. I think that might be good. Yeah, I think so. It's changed a little bit over the years here.

Yeah. Just in a short time. I know, I know. What should we talk about before we let you go? We've already decided you're going to be on second season. Yep. I'm going to visit you guys in the south. What else could I say about our show with the Housewives?

You might see maybe Erika Jean. Ooh. And Camille's going to be there. Tori, spelling. Has Tori done your show? Virtually. Oh, virtually. Okay. Long time ago. Oh, virtually. Okay.

She's funny. She's a f— She's a hoot. She's a hoot. Yeah. Yeah, she's another one with no filter, which I love. Oh my god, this is gonna be such a good show. Um, thank you. And, uh, you know, it's just, uh, we're just crazy, a crazy family.

I can't wait. So I'm like, oh shit, why are we doing this? When is the premiere? March 4th. March 4th. March 4th. March 4th. Are you all gonna, are you gonna watch this back? I had to because I'm a producer.

So I had to see the episodes. Okay. And when you say producer, are you allowed to have creative input and post-production? You know, I am. But I was so happy how they put everything together. They did a great job. And each episode is short. We're doing two episodes back to back.

And we premiere right after The Housewives of Beverly Hills. Will it be dramatic? The show? It's funny. It's more like lighthearted family. More funny than a lot of... It's silly drama between siblings and myself with being parents and that kind of thing.

Relatable stuff. Yeah, yeah. I think that some people might be able to relate to it a little bit. I think I can't wait to watch it. Thank you. It's so great to have you on. Well, thank you for having me.

You're the best. Come back, can you come back when your season's airing? Sure. Talk about it. Yeah, I would love to. I don't wanna bother you, Denise, cause I just don't wanna overstay my welcome. Okay, I'll bother you and say, can I come on?

Okay, great, thank you. Does that work? Please. Someday can you come on and just talk like Beverly Hills. He wants you to come talk shit. Oh, you mean about? The show. Let me catch up watching the season.

I would definitely just love your input because like you know these. I've never really, I've met Kyle for like, I introduced myself to Kyle for 20 seconds. I've never met Sutton, I've never met Dorit, I've never met Bo. I don't really know, you know, so like, you know, sometimes I like that because like when we talk about them,

you know, it's like, I don't know, you know, but like the more we talk about, I'd love to get an accurate like understanding. Okay, so you must be very disappointed and probably them, you know, it's like, I don't know, you know, but like the more we talk about, I'd love to get an accurate like understanding of who they are. Okay, so you must be very disappointed and probably like, oh fuck, she didn't even watch this season and I have so many questions for her. So I'm gonna catch up and I'll watch it.

I didn't have you on to talk. I was curious if you were. No, I'm joking. But someday I would love that. Yeah, and I'll tell you my thoughts. I do think the timing of, well, I'll watch, I'll catch up. Well, Denise, so good to see you. So good to see you too.

Congratulations on your new show. March 4th, it's out. March 4th on Bravo. So Tuesday nights. Tuesday nights. Following Beverly Hills Housewives. I know, what a great. Lead in.

I know, I feel very blessed and lucky for that. They must feel very good about this. I hope so. Oh. Oh. It could be following Rony. That wouldn't be good. Oh, that's true.

This is gonna be so exciting. I'm so excited to watch it. It's gonna be amazing. Thank you. Congratulations on everything. Thank you so much. You really crushed Special Forces. We were like, damn, she killed it.

I wasn't on. If you blinked, I was gone. But you did some crazy hard, hard challenges. Do you think, and I don't mean this with any disrespect, but do you think Dorit or any of the current casts of Beverly would jump out of a boat onto a helicopter? I don't. No. The only one I think that would probably be Erika.

Yeah, Erika might do it. She's got some balls. Yeah, I can picture Erika doing it. But balds. Yeah, I can picture Erica doing it. Yeah. But not many housewives. I'm just saying. Not many. Mad respect.

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Just text files to 64,000, text files to 64,000, that's F-I-L-E-S to 64,000. Message and data rates may apply, see terms for detail. Oh, well we love Denise. Always great to catch up with our queen. Very excited about her show. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to have to bring her back with her daughters.

I think that'll be a fun dynamic to see them all interact. Up next, we're talking a little love is blind episodes four through six. And we have Alex coming up. This, this relationship between him and Madison was wild. I'm glad he made the decision he made. I'm curious how he came to that decision. She seems like a bad breaker-upper. I mean, I feel like that was somebody

that was paying attention to the context clues because the way that she was talking about the other guy, Mason, it was just like, oh, you're not a nice person. When she broke up with Mason, and then, yeah, I know Mason did the whole thing of like, kind of acting like maybe he didn't mean what he said or whatever, I don't know. But like you could, her body language changed so quickly

and she got really upset, cause she wanted him to be upset. She wanted him to be hurt and mad. It was definitely not like, I'm glad you have another person. And like, she wasn't happy for him. And like, I want the best for you and I'm always cheering you on.

She wanted him crushed. Yeah, you take it back. So you weren't ever committed to me. It was like an ego shot. And then when she's talking to Alex and he's friends with Mason and just saying, well, I just see both sides. She says, Mason really hurt me.

She didn't accuse him of, I assume she means emotionally, but that's like such a, what do you mean? You broke up with him, and all he did was this kind of like, as people do when they're getting broken up with, or maybe feel a certain way, kind of like maybe just try to take back, feeling kind of embarrassed, opening up.

And like that turned into her telling someone, some random person that this guy hurt her. Well, not only that, she also sabotaged Mason's other relationship and then is playing the victim in the situation being like, this is what you guys signed up for. Everybody's dating multiple people at this point, or like getting down to like their single person,

but she's taking it out like, well, if he was gonna choose me, he didn't have real feelings for you, so are you gonna break up with him? Like that was wild to watch. No, vindictive scare. And it did like, I feel like it definitely made Meg question everything with Mason,

which ended up obviously in both of them just going home, which was sad. Yeah, cause I actually would have liked to see that relationship carry on outside of the pod. The only thing I'm mad about Alex, and we will obviously ask him how he came to this decision, is this like, I would have liked to see this relationship explode.

You're mad at him for TV purposes, not for his personal well-being. No, no, not for his mental health or his overall well-being. For ours. But like, Alex's emotional maturity really fucked us. Let's bring him up. Hello. Alex.

Alex, how's it going? What a beautiful face. How you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Okay. I'm feeling really good.

Well, we have a lot of questions for you. So we're excited to ask you those. We were just talking about your relationship with Madison. Very proud of you. Cause you know, I because watching this back, I don't know if you know this, I'm from Wisconsin, so also a Midwest guy. Watching you in a lot of ways reminded me of younger me,

and that relationship reminded me of the type of people I pursued early in life. And so really proud that you seemed to pick up on some red flags that were demonstrated. So for your mental health, you seem to pick up on some red flags that were demonstrated. So, you know, for your mental health, you seem to be, you know, make a really sound decision. For TV purposes, we were sad to see this relationship end so quickly, you know, I kind of wanted to see it.

Yeah, you couldn't have like stuck it out a little longer for the vacation. You know, I went into this experiment and I said, I'm gonna be completely authentic to myself and whatever I honestly feel, I'm going to go with it. And I said, there's no pressure to continue on the show if I don't sincerely feel like it's going to work. And I wanted to be true to myself and not force anything and be that guy that just goes along with it, just to be on TV or have an experience. So I was never going to do that.

You know, I realized that at the end, it wasn't't gonna work, so I cut it off, no hard feelings about it. But it is a shame because our story, I feel like was very interesting and people were disappointed that they couldn't hear more of us. Yeah, I feel like there could have been more to unpack there, but totally get it. What were some of the things that you started noticing

that maybe stopped you from thinking this was a relationship you could pursue because it really seemed like she had landed on you. She was going back and forth between you and Mason. What were some of the things that stopped you from pursuing that relationship? Well, I guess just to start with, you know, they don't show 99% of what we talk about in the pods and Madison and I really did have a good relationship. We had a lot of fun in there that they didn't show really. It was all very, very serious conversations. So we had a really, really solid relationship. But I think the main concern that

was shown was the lack of communication. I think we both just had very different communication styles and I was trying to get ahead of that, right, because I've had issues with that in the past and I know how important that is and how detrimental to a relationship that can be. And I've had some really, really tough relationships in the past because of that core issue of not being on the same page with our communication. So I wanted to really take that seriously and try to figure out if that's something

that we were on the same page or not. And you know, just some things came up in the pods that just showed that we weren't on that same page. And so I had to make the tough decision to cut it off, I think. Yeah. Was there anything specific that you can share with us that maybe we didn't get to see that, you know, kind of raise some concerns on your end? I think definitely the Mason situation,

just how that was handled. I don't know, it just didn't really sit right with me. As someone who was bullied, I feel like there was a little bit of bullying going on there with Mason and I just didn't feel like that was rightfully placed on him. And you know, there was maybe a little more negativity than what was shown coming from Madison. And I just, that's why I kept pushing back and saying, I understand his perspective, you know, and I said that so many times, but it was coming from a place of a

response to the negativity. And I mean, there are just some other really small instances where, you know, I just, we, it was awkward in the pods because I would say something, she wouldn't respond to it in a way that made sense to me, you know, and that's not saying it was right or wrong. It just showed that we were very different people. And so, yeah, I don't know if I can come up with specific examples, but yeah. Well, it was interesting, you know, when I was watching it there, you know, Madison was doing a lot of things that I, for me, demonstrated a lot of red flags. You know, it just seemed like she kind of seemed like a bad breaker-upper. She seemed to really want Mason to like, I felt like she wanted him to be crushed,

you know, when she decided to end it with him and she didn't like his response and it seemed almost kind of vengeful. She did say something that maybe kind of empathized with her or at least understand her, where she said something to you like, it doesn't matter like how much you fight or whatever, it just matters kind of like how you were, you know,

it's always like, if you guys give up. You don't give up and how like you fight through it. Yeah, and it was just like, well that makes a lot of sense coming from her because it felt like this person, all she knows is just conflict and fighting and it's all about the making up and getting back together which when I was 21 was kind of fun, I guess,

but kind of to your point, I imagine that's kind of when you said had you had issues with that in the past, if you've ever been in a relationship like that and you've really tried to like reflect and try to have a healthier relationship going forward, you know, you realize that like, yeah, fighting isn't a good thing. And yeah, all couples fight and conflicts do happen, but like it's, I think there are couples that look to fight and I think there are people who look to instigate drama only to like have the resolution

because the resolution makes you feel like you're coming together. Then it really kind of felt like that's the type of relationship that Madison was used to. Is that some of the stuff that you were picking up on? I mean, yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself. That was very well explained there. I think that is true from what I saw. It seemed like she was very used

to conflict and so was I in my earlier life. I'm at a point now where I can't handle that and I don't want to fight. I don't want to have these big massive blowouts and then make up and everything is fine for a week and then it's another huge thing and I just I can't do that anymore and so yeah I think maybe I don't know what else I can say about it because you said it so beautifully. Do you think watching it back you kind of like felt really good about your decision or was there any part of you that was like maybe I like saw that wrong and like seeing it from her perspective or seeing a conversation she had with Mason, change your mind about anything?

I'd say overall, I'm really proud of how I handled everything. I wouldn't change my actions or decisions at all. I think the way that they maybe edited the last date was maybe not as accurate as it was. So I kind of cringed a little bit at that, but no, I don't really regret anything. Again, we were just very different people,

we're on different communication styles, and so it just was not the right relationship, and I was not about to force it or continue it longer than it needed to. I feel like the mature thing to do was to recognize that it wasn't gonna work and then end it right away. Totally, and we totally get that, like, you know, I'm familiar with how reality TV is made

and how you never really get to see a lot of things. But I am curious, you mentioned the last day, what specifically do you remember versus what was aired that made you kind of cringe a little bit? It felt like I was really, really pressing the fact that I understood Mason's perspective and which definitely, I mean, I did keep saying that thing or that line over and over. But again, it was in response to negativity that I feel like was not aired.

You know, there was a lot more negativity being said about Mason. And so I was saying, well, I understand his perspective in response to that negativity. And so, and again, I totally understand, you know, her perspective and why she would be negative towards Mason. He did screw up, right? You know, there's no question about it. He screwed up, he said the wrong thing. He didn't handle himself in, you know,

the way that I know he wanted to. But also you have to understand that I actually knew Mason better than I knew Madison because I spend more time with the guys in the lounge than I do with the women in the pods, right? So Mason and I, at that point were fairly close and I knew he was such a genuine good guy and I just didn't want to see someone talking so negatively about him when I feel like he didn't deserve it. Yeah.

It was tough after her and Mason broke up, hearing her kind of talk shit. I think she like called him a clown or something like that. Or he said, you know, it just, it felt a little icky given that she was the one who ultimately decided she didn't want to be in that relationship. Given that she, she kind of came into that breakup with all the power, and I think she left with all the power, and for her to talk shit about Mason just felt so unnecessary. She also talked shit to his other girl.

Yeah. Yeah, I was watching that to see her kind of trying to like ruin that relationship as well between Meg and Mason. I just thought it was maybe a little manipulative. I didn't see that. All I see is this limited perspective in the pods with one person at a time.

So it was definitely interesting to watch after the fact, after a year since being there. But yeah, it just didn't feel great. And I think it may be confirmed that I did make the right decision. Have you and Madison talked since the pods? Yes, we we have talked. I mean, when we got out of the pods, we got back to Minneapolis and we did talk for a brief time, I

would say. And then the same issues kind of just kept coming up. And we realized again, that we just were communicating differently. And then we decided to go our separate ways. When was the first time you saw what she looked like when you got out of the pods, did you like look her up online or did you wait to meet her in person? Basically the shuttle that took us to the airport, I was sitting in there alone and we got our phone back. And so I turned it on and there's like hundreds of notifications.

And I immediately, I went and looked her up on Instagram because obviously, right? And so I saw her for the first time on Instagram and then we met at the airport afterwards and it was such a crazy experience just to put a face to the voice. Oh, that's crazy. Have you ever thought about growing a beard? You know, I have had a beard.

I definitely. You're a very handsome guy, but you kind of- You would crush a beard. You're reminding me. And I say this knowing my husband crushes a beard. My wife hates my face. And I always thought I was a good looking guy before I met my wife.

But a beard, really, you have a sweet face, Alex. You know, it'll roughen you up. You know, I'll consider it just because of this. You know, it'll, it'll, uh, roughen you up. You know, I'll consider it just because of this. You know, I'll, I'll try it out. And the, um, and the mock neck turtlenecks. Do you feel like those are going to make another round in the mix? Or this was filmed last year and like, honestly, like, I don't know if I was fully out of my skinny gene phase last year.

So where are you in that skinny, skinny jean journey? You know, I think I'm on the other end of it now. Congratulations. Definitely. You know, I didn't make the best fashion choices. I'll totally agree. But, you know, I did want to stand out a little bit. You know, I wanted to wear something that wasn't just like the gray blazer or whatever that I feel like most of the guys were going to wear. So I did make a choice to

wear the blue turtleneck. And it was definitely... Listen, blue is definitely your color. You look great in blue. I think it was more so just like the commit to the turtleneck that there was lack thereof, you know. Do we know if there's gonna be a reunion? I don't know, you're probably not even allowed to say or even if you'll be there. But if you do go, if there is one and you do get invited, loose fitted suit, beard, maybe a neck tattoo, I'm kidding.

Oh my God. Um. No, that's crazy. What do you do for work, Alex? I do commercial real estate. Oh, nice, yeah, okay. Were you a fan of the show before you went on? I really was actually.

So I'm a big fan of psychology. I went to my local community college and I took every single psychology class that they had to offer, just because I'm super interested in how people work and think. And this show, I think, is one of the most genuine

psychological experiments. And it's super fascinating to me. And I've always been interested since season one. And so I think I was one of the only people that just applied on my own without a producer reaching out to me. Just because I was so interested in just the application process alone, I saw they were casting in Minneapolis. I was like, you know, let me see.

I just wanted to see what it was like and I filled out the questions thinking there's no chance I'm going to get chosen out of tens of thousands of people, you know, and two years later, here we are. That is crazy. Two years later. Wow. Are you still friends with anyone from the cast? Yes.

Mason and I are really close still, so we've traveled quite a bit together. Meg and I are also very close. All the guys, I mean, I consider them all brothers to me at this point. So I just, I love them so much. They're such great, genuine, unique people. How's Mason feeling after watching him

in Madison's breakup? You know, I can't really speak for him, but I think it was tough watch for all of us in different points, you know. It's really cringe watching yourself on Netflix. My heart was racing the whole time the first time I watched it. Every time I'd come on screen,

it was like the most painful experience. And I can only imagine for Mason, you know, with some of the scenes and like, especially some of the sexual scenes, I just, I can't imagine I feel for him. Yeah, it'll be fine. Yeah, it's, people will forget quickly. I thought you carried yourself very well.

So nothing to be nervous about. You should be proud of your performance on Netflix. I feel like. Thank you so much. You know, I really appreciate it. I'm pissed you broke up with her too soon, but that selfishly as a fan of the show, I am. That was triggering. But, you know, friend to Fred, you did a great job. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

All right, Alex. Well, thank you for your time. Best of luck, whatever it is you do. And maybe we'll see you on a future Netflix show some other time, there's the beach. We'll see. Yeah, there is the beach, you never know. Well, thanks so much, I appreciate this and this was awesome. All right, take care, buddy.

Bye. Bye bye. Oh, he seems sweet. So sweet. Perfect, do you think he could do like a too hot to handle? He's very handsome. You definitely see like this kind of like that nerdy kid inside him when he was younger

that he described, you know? But he's, how old is he? I think he's like 28, let me see. Okay, so he's like an adult. This was a year ago. No, he's really cute. Any other, I thought, what was it, Devin and Brittany? Virginia. Virginia.

Or he ends up with Virginia. No, I know, but I thought that I appreciated Devin's willingness to open up about his ignorance when him and Brittany were having that conversation about her being bisexual. I appreciate his vulnerability just because I think he has a viewpoint that I think a lot of people have where they have this idea that if someone's bisexual,

that somehow means that they can switch hit, so to speak. Because he kept asking Brittany, it's just like, well, I just want someone to be with me. And I'm like, well, if she picks you, she will be. You know, it's like, what's the- Yeah, I'm glad that finally she was like, I am monogamous, like whoever I'm with. Bisexuality and polyamory are not the same thing.

But I think there's a lot of- It's too completely different. There's a lot of confusion. And I, you know, like, especially in today's climate, I don't think it's very easy for someone like Devin to like acknowledge ignorance. I mean, that's what it was. It wasn't coming from a place of-

There was no malice. Malice or anything like that. But I'm sure his point of view was probably triggering for some people who maybe feel judged or for opening up about their sexuality only to have someone like change their, because it did feel like Devin, his energy changed a little bit.

It did, if I were Brittany in that situation, I would have been, it would have made me feel like a very specific type of way having been in that situation before. But also at the same time, it's not like Devin did anything wrong, he just didn't know. But also like, if I was Brittany,

I would have probably done the exact same thing she did, which was like, you know what, maybe this isn't the right relationship for me. If you know what I mean? It showed that they were just kind of on two different. Two different pages in the world. Two different pages, two different kind of stages. He can't handle a bisexual baddie.

I will say I am kind of like bored with a lot of these couples. You know, like I can't like Monica and Joey I've Watch that's the problem though. It's just like the the most compelling storylines I I've been into these first six episodes, but then all of a sudden we got done and I realized all the Couples we have left our but I'm also like for because I'm like, remembered like a lot of shit blows up during this like honeymoon stage, finally living with each other,

like not being able to separate and seeing their tics and seeing like their antics and how they go about things. We'll see. Also the cliffhanger of Taylor and Daniel, like that I'm interested in. Yeah, especially because he like allegedly followed her on Instagram or whatever, and they have that entire conversation where he's like,

I remember Instagram handles, like, do you think we've met before? She's like, do you like, would you follow me? He's like, no, like I remember Instagram handles very well and I can see a profile picture with him. So either he's lying or she's confusing him with someone else. Right. Well, no, there was that weird moment though, during that conversation where he

was like, I shouldn't have said that. Or like, like, why did I say that? And then she was like, no, that's not, that's not a weird thing to say. Like where I'm like, was shouldn't have said that. Or like, why did I say that? And then she was like, no, that's not a weird thing to say. Like where I'm like, was it a weird thing to say? So yeah, it could go both ways. I will say his story isn't unbelievable. We're talking about Minneapolis, St. Paul. Like when I was in my 20s, I lived in Milwaukee.

Milwaukee is smaller than Minneapolis, St. Paul. Don't get me wrong. But they're still relatively smaller cities, right? And when you are in your 20s, early 30s, single, you're a working professional, you got a little money, there's like a socialite scene, you know? Like when I was in my 20s going out, you're going out most Fridays and Saturday nights to the bars.

It's not, there's not that many bars in these cities to go out to. And if you're frequently going out, there's like a group of young professionals and you all kind of know each other. And if you don't know everyone, but it's not uncommon for guys and girls in a respective city to follow people they find attractive.

Just to like, oh, someone shows up on your Explorer page, algorithms feeding you people you live in the same city. That's definitely believable. I think what's definitely believable. I think what's less believable is the fact that he specifically says he has a great memory with Instagram handles and profile pictures. A lot of people say they,

Kishel thought she had great vibes and was wrong about that. Like sometimes we're wrong about how confident we are about things. I guess it's just, it's uber specific to say something that you're like very good at memorizing. Remember. Memorize it. So remembering.

I like the way you said it actually. What? She said she liked the way you said it. I liked that. Memorizing? You should make that a thing. I kinda like that too. I also say heat seater, so.

Heat seater. You want me to turn your heat seater on? I think that's a better, that's a way cooler. It rolls off the tongue. Way cooler thing to say. Membring should be a new word. Yeah, I mean, like go both ways. I'm just saying, I think some people are like,

watch that scene and be like, oh, guilty, you know? It's like he's projecting or kind of telling on himself. And maybe. It's a wild accusation, that's for sure. To be like, I remembered you, we have mutuals, and like, you followed me and unfollowed me. Which we don't know exactly what they find out, because we haven't seen that's for sure. To be like, I remembered you, we have mutuals, and you followed me and unfollowed me, which we don't know exactly what they find out, because we haven't seen that yet, but.

But I agree with you, I'm like, how much time are you spending on this profile to realize that they followed you and unfollowed you? Even if I get a follow, I'm like, oh, interesting, let me look at this profile, gone from my memory. She could be a number psycho online. She could really care about who's following and unfollowing her in general.

I'll say right now, I have 277,000 Instagram followers and I'm following 772 people. Couldn't tell you. And I don't want that to change so. Yeah. Unless I'm catapulted into this. To Nick's point too, you could meet people, but what are the odds you're following someone

and then unfollowing them? But I do think people really do, like to my point of saying the numbers thing, I do think people do like, to my point of saying the numbers thing, I do think people do look at, if they're like, oh, I hit 400 and then it's down to 399, they're gonna recognize that, they're gonna see that. I do think it's for people who don't have, when it's easy to see the number change,

I do think people notice that. I think it's her get out of jail free card. I think if she decides she doesn't like him, may already be too short. Or she finds out he actually did it. I think if she decides she doesn't like him, may or he's too short. Or she finds out he actually did it. Yeah. Okay, would be creepy. But his whole line, could that not have been,

because as Alex was saying, they have so many conversations they don't include. The editors put that in specifically. Correct. So it could just be they're trying to create drama between the two of them. For a season that is lacking a lot of drama. A smoking gun can't be a photo

in front of a Christmas tree holding a drink. I feel like that is- It was Chekhov's Instagram post. 85% of people on Instagram have a photo from a Christmas in front of a Christmas tree holding a drink. But the thing is, if he did follow her, it invalidates the whole process of you don't know what I look like,

because you clearly knew what I looked like and knew everything about me maybe based off of my social media. Sure, but again, it's minute it's Minneapolis. So like the show deciding to like do love is blind Minneapolis is risking like people being familiar with each other. Again, it's a relatively small city. Yeah, there might be a couple million people there. But again, when they're casting people in their late 20s, early 30s, you're immediately narrowing it down. They're not gonna know everyone, but they're definitely running the risk. It's a smaller community. And while they might not gonna know people, but I would not be shocked to find

that a lot of people got casted, they all have a lot of mutuals. The degrees of separation, there's probably not seven. You know, there's probably like one or two, you know? And there was a lot of, after they got out of the pods, it wouldn't be shocking to me, so. Yeah, I do wanna see what happens

with that storyline come next episode. I also think Sarah and Ben could have an interesting, I don't know, I'm not completely sold on that. Right, because he has religious parents that aren't accepting of what Sarah's sister, like her sexuality, so that's where I'm kinda like, hmm. I really like this storyline, I'll see where it goes. To me, I get it, we live in polarizing times.

I think Sarah needs to be reminded, you know, that she talks a lot about, I just hope he's willing to learn, I just hope he's willing to learn, you know? It's just like, I hope she's also willing to learn. She's talking about like, oh, I'll get together with him as long as he's willing to learn what I believe in. I think it's also can be important in a relationship

to share similar core values with someone else. For sure, for sure. And listen, I'm just saying, but if you go in just deciding like, I need this person to be completely aligned with me or else, and if they're willing to learn and like subscribe to everything I believe, then we can work out, and if not, we won't, that's pretty extreme.

You know, like now and I, we don't agree with everything. We're not checking boxes and making sure that like, you believe this, you believe that, and if we don't believe, then we need to make sure we get on the same page. We're just like, sometimes we have differences, and we just choose to like not get into it. I do also think she was not gonna give him a second chance

after he was like, listen, I'm not really like as educated in this whole stuff as you are, until I think maybe it was Brittany or one of the other women was like, well, if he says he's willing to learn, then that's like, you know, he's willing to learn. Maybe you should give him another shot. So it's like, she was ready to like pull the plug just because he wasn't immediately like,

hell yeah, we're on the same wavelength. He was just like, oh, I don't really, I'm not there quite yet. That's what I'm saying, that's a pretty extreme point of view. And then my question to her is just like, well, what if he is willing to learn, but you get to a point where he's just like,

not where you're at? I think that like non-negotiables, no matter what they sound like to anybody else, if that's something that you stick to, or that he's just like not where you're at. I think that like non-negotiables, no matter what they sound like to anybody else, if that's something that you stick to or that's something that's important to you, you shouldn't have to sacrifice that either just because of an opportunity. Listen, we now live in a time where more and more people are having a harder time connecting and getting together. Like we as human beings desire connection. We desire companionship. You know, whether it's your family, a group of friends, whatever, we need connection. We desire romance. And I think we should embrace people prioritizing

family and prioritizing connections in front of you. If her and Ben were compatible on a lot of things that when it comes down to two people spending a lot of quality time together and getting along and communicating effectively about day to day decisions and what they want for themselves. That's a shame that some people would say no to an otherwise great potential relationship with a lot of points of compatibility. There are people who otherwise would leave a relationship

that would really work out and there's a lot of love and connection there but convince themselves that this is a non-negotiable and they leave something that could otherwise be have a lot of potential. Well we shall see. Yeah. That's why I'm interested to see what happens with them. Where is the vacation at? Do we know? Somewhere in Cancun? Or did I make that up? Usually Mexico. Should we talk a little Beverly Hills housewives before we get to Creshell? I don't know why we opened up in.

Georgia again, I mean, 10 episodes in Georgia. Did you catch the B roll? We didn't talk about it last week where it's Garcelle and Kyle listening in on Sutton. That was really sad. This is how we know Kyle's a good actress because they're like listening behind the door. She runs up the stairs and then she quickly walks out as if she's like she was just walking down the stairs naturally and she's like, oh my God, hey. Yeah, that's that Halloween. oh my God, hey. Yeah.

That's that Halloween. They flashed back to it. That's that Halloween training. Yeah. She knows how to hide from Michael Myers. Yeah. I get that like maybe, technically it's Sutton's house,

but it sure seemed like an invasion of Beverly Hills Housewives into Reba's house. Like kind of like gossiping and like talking about Reba while Reba was there. Felt a little, ooh. I said it from the start, like I love Sutton's family, but every time they bring in the mothers, I'm like, do we need to?

Yeah. I'm like, let them rest, please. We know we were talking last week about, when Bo's confronted DeRid or whatever, and was talking about all that, that PK was allegedly scooping up lawyers. Well, I received a DM from a listener. Meredith Marks, I received a DM.

Just to listen. And this listener informed me, I don't know if they have a legal background, but it made sense, that apparently, and I don't know if this is a nationwide thing or an LA thing or a state to state thing, but a common move divorcees will make is that apparently that if you,

when you are needing a lawyer, right, you might shop around for lawyers. So you would do like a little meeting, like five minute meeting, 30 minute meeting, and kind of like talk about your case, you know, and if you do that, like you've got dibs, so to speak. So if you go around town and book a bunch of like meetings with all the top lawyers and you get there quickly,

that means they can't represent your spouse. Because they've had a meeting with you? Even if you don't hire them. Wow. So you basically like, you know, like, hey, I'm getting divorced, my wife and I are separated, I'm not sure, like, I might need a lawyer. So you book a bunch of meetings

with all like the top 10 law firms in Beverly Hills. And then Dorit comes in and they're like, sorry, we've already spoken to PK. And even if PK hires none of them or one of them, then like, you know, apparently, apparently this is what the, I don't know if that's accurate, but it makes sense based on what Boz was saying. I've heard the opposite, but that doesn't make sense.

That like these meetings, and just from experience with my parents and people that have parents that are divorced, like these meetings, like you pay for these meetings. Like it could be short or whatever, but it costs to do that. And then it's whoever's gonna be paying the most to have you on retainer for the meetings. Like it could be short or whatever, but it costs to do that. And then it's whoever's gonna be paying the most to have you on retainer for the divorce. Interesting.

Because a lot of these lawyers also can mediate, I believe. But. Well, I once again, like I'm waiting for the time I disagree with both. I wanna be her friend. She's on the money. I wish Sutton would have said, I have been sitting in your living room for 45 minutes,

and then you're gonna say something about my drinking. Yeah, I'm outta here. I wish she would have called out how long she'd been sitting there. Maybe she wasn't aware, maybe that was just editing, doing a great job, but waiting alone for 45 minutes in someone's house at a party, at an event is crazy.

Yeah, well, but would you just sit there and wait? Would you reach out to your friend, hey, I'm down here or you want me to come up? Like clearly they're not the best of friends or even that close, but like there are cameras there. There's people in the house. It wasn't, she wasn't alone. I'd go upstairs and knock on that door.

You know, I just, it felt a little performative of Sutton to do what she did, but maybe. If I walked into house and it was a jump house with little kids I didn't know, and I was like, who, where am I first of all? And there's no one in the house, you do not see Duret, you're like, hello, hello, and no one's saying anything, and so you just sit there on your phone,

and then 45 minutes pass, like, I'm sorry, I am leaving. And she comes down and ignores you, I'd be like, okay. I mean, I thought everyone was off their rocker this episode, except for Boz. Like, I mean, Dorit, I don't know, what was that whole moment when she's like, I'm gonna keep this bag? Like, what?

That was the craziest moment ever. The montage of photos on the center table when you first entered during a party when you're actively in the middle of a divorce and then the bag thing, I was like, what is happening? And I didn't even really agree with Dorit about the whole like bitch comment. Like it really felt like Dorit was instigating

the whole thing. The whole bag thing was her instigating Sutton. I did think Sutton was a bit performative with like sitting there alone, but like clearly that is rude for Dorit to do. What else was she gonna do? Go and chat with like the kids going down the inflatable slide?

No, she did what anyone would do when you walk somewhere and you're uncomfortable. You sit on your phone. That's exactly what she did. Well then, fine. Dorit was off her rocker there. I still don't think anything, Warren's calling somebody a bitch in their house

in the middle of a party though. No, you're right. But I think Sutton was wrong for that. And then it's just like, Sutton's like, I'm gonna leave. And it's like, okay, leave. Go. Don't sit at her front door

and have your posse come to console you and take up half the party so that when Bo's comes and be like, y'all being rude. And they were being rude. And if you, Sutton, if you wanna go, go. But like, you don't need to have Garcelle and Kyle and this whole little posse talk, you know, talking about whether you should stay or should go. Then, then it becomes rude.

If that's the case, like if this were me and you were insulting my drinking or like, I'm already ready to go, the Uber is getting called before I even like retort back to you. It's like the idea that you're like walking in, you just got mad at Kyle a couple of episodes ago from storming out and walking out of arguments. You're doing the exact same thing, but you didn't even go out the front door. You sat in their foyer and was like, everybody,

like, this is just really hard on me. Like, this is not your party. Grab your posse, go grab a drink down the street. I think Arcel hates bows. I think Arcel was used to kind of getting away with whatever she wanted to say and calling out Dorit for some of the stupid things She said and then Dorit was always on an island and even if some of the things Dorit said were a little ignorant I don't think it ever came from a place of malice

but I think Garcelle was in a position to really like Give her the business anytime like Dorit stepped in it and now she has Bose to defend Dorit and have her back and no You know Bose is more than capable of like, doesn't matter that she's new, doesn't matter that she can stand. Boze can have everyone disagree with her and she'll be calm, cool and collected. And it's driving Garcelle fucking insane.

100% and Erika called it out perfectly too. She was like, okay, so wait, we have a problem when Boze does this for Doreen, but you are always speaking for Sutton. It does make me so mad though, that they don't say that stuff in person, like in the moment. I'm like, I get that you filmed this a couple months later,

you're just like, put yourself back in that scenario, but it's like, you couldn't have been sitting there and be like, Garcelle, you speak for Sutton constantly. And like now you have a problem. I just wish sometimes they would say these things. I imagine they're being reminded by producers of some of the hypocrisy their castmates have said. Oh yeah, you're right, she does do that shit.

And then Kyle, like when she was going at it with Bose and like painting herself as some victim of like, as Bose, first of all, Kyle, it's your show, basically, right, you're the queen bee, you're the OG, like you are the sprite light of this ensemble cast. Bose is new. Doesn't, you know, not friends with anyone and you're accusing her of not welcoming you, Kyle?

That seems a bit out of touch. And then to bring up PK while sitting next to Dureet as evidence as to like Boze's mistake while like, so you should have blocked him. Like that was, she was on Mars in that moment. And then to look at Dorit and be like, oh, I'm talking to Boze.

I'm not, she's like, you said my husband's name. Like what? What the fuck? Like that was so, that was wild behavior. That was. She called Boze Judge Judy. That was crazy. For calling you out twice. Boze Judge Judy. That was crazy. For calling you out twice.

Boze calls it like she sees it. And I love it when, but what did Boze say? She doesn't need to be led. Basically she's not a follower. And that's so true. She's not. And it drives Kyle and Garcelle and Sutton crazy because they don't wanna think,

they wanna accuse Boze of riding Dorit, because picking a different size, when the truth is, and we all see it, is like Bose truly just calls it like she sees it. She's no bullshit, she's got a great sense of character. She's, I mean, it's... And she's given all of the women a fair shot. Fair.

And spent time with them individually. She just, I think Dorit was the most forthcoming with like what's going on in her life and opening up and made it very easy for Bose to open up. But outside of that, she's given all of the other women a chance and yet- And she doesn't hold grudges. No, not at all.

That's what she said. She's like, I'm calling out what I see right in front of me. Cause she doesn't have preconceived notions. She knows nothing about you women outside of what you're showing her. I just like to see Garcelle, Kyle, and Sutton just kind of like glitch because like they just don't know what to do with someone who's so calm and capable of standing up to them and they're kind of their bullshit and they're kind of manipulation of the shit they do and things

don't go their way is some of the best television on Beverly Hills Housewives I've watched. It's awesome. I just loved Garcelle being like, she's a little sensitive right now after the coffee and vodka. And I was like, Garcelle. I love both of y'all, but. But also like, wasn't Kyle the one who led that charge? Like, why aren't you mad at Kyle about that?

100%. Also, I haven't heard the word douche and I don't know how long. It's been a while. Awesome. She took a second to say it too. I was like, that's the word we chose. Yeah, it was like her brain froze and she was like, that's the word we chose. She had a little accent.

It was like her brain froze and she was like, you're being a douche. It was awesome. Doreen was really on one though. Like it was, I didn't really understand. She kind of did have like a crazy twitch in her eye this episode. I don't know, I just feel like this is why like Boz

is like kind of protective of her is that it's just like, we all do know that she's going through so much and she's just showing up every day and even seeing the state that her house was in and Kyle being like, oh she's like OCD clean and the fact that things are in boxes and it's messy that I'm like she's got a lot going on on her plate let alone raising her kids and trying to be okay that it's like to have to come into this group with these women. It's nice to have somebody in your corner for moms. I just wish to read instead of and maybe you know she's not thinking with a clear head she's going through it and that all makes total sense like your corner for moms. I just wish to read instead of, and maybe she's not thinking with a clear head, she's going through it, and that all makes total sense.

She definitely deserves grace, but I just wish she would have, instead of trying to steal Sutton's handbag and acting like she had rights to it, just be like, hey, listen, last time I saw you, you really hurt my feelings, because you really dismissed me when I was just being vulnerable,

talking about my terrible divorce and how it's affecting my fucking kids. And you just like, you didn't give a fuck to say that. Doctor. She did say sorry in the moment. No, she didn't. Son said, we have to go, sorry. We have to go.

Great callback, Justin. That is true. Listen, I also will say I have pulled that joke before of being like, oh my God, that's a huge Chanel. Like, do you want me to take it off your hands and I can take it home? But the way that Dorit was like straight stone cold would not release her grip on that bag

was like almost left her house with it, was crazy. And the awkwardness, everyone was just like, um, it's also a $29,500 bag. So it's like Minnie Kelly. What? It's a 30 grand bag. It's a $30,000 bag. So it's like Minnie. It's a 30 grand bag. It's a $30,000 bag. The Minnie Kelly is 30,000. Minnie Kelly that I'm looking at is 29, the same one,

29,500 or else the pink one's 32,000. But even then I love that she's like, your insults and everything equate to. Yeah. I gotta say that preview for next week with Sutton basically being like, I have more money than you. Oh, that's not gonna go well or well.

I just have an issue when people spend $30,000 on something that's kind of ugly. It's an investment. It's an investment. Art is subjective, Mary. Yeah, I guess. Are you mad at the people that bought the banana duct taped at the Sotheby's or do you understand that is art?

Fashion is art to some people. I understand, I would not spend $30,000 on the banana. However, I do think it's funny. And so I'd love a good bit. I was gonna say the banana I think is in the millions. The bit, oh, yeah. See a bit not worth the millions. I like, I support spending money on a bit,

but as far as, and let's say, if I had $30,000 to spend on a bag, I'll spend it on a bag. But that's the point. I know. I was getting $300,000 a month. I know. I just saw that bag and I was like, it's kind of boring. We'll see what happens and what context it's aired in. But when you start like flexing your cash, I go Jennifer Tilly with it and make it dumb. Either way, but like same thing. It's just like, you're just being like, it's just a competition of who married smarter. Yeah, married smarter, not harder.

And I guess, but like, you know, something's wealth does come from her husband. Well, what do you mean wealth? She helped make that money. She built her empire. And it's worth the half a million dollars a month? Look, I'm not the forensic. Probably worth more.

She got the short end of the stick with 300 grand a month. Yeah, well, listen, she has the right to say it's her money. She obviously has more money than all of us, but like. He's probably three, he's like farting out 300 grand a month. Like that's fucking nothing to him. If you could just give that away a month, how much are you making a month?

Yeah, he's fine. I mean, like I'm just saying, but it's not the flex, you know, you're trying to hurt someone's feelings. Let's be clear. She was trying to hurt Dorit when saying this. Meanwhile, again, while someone's going through divorce, which must be a very scary time, especially if you are someone in Dorit's position,

because it's like, Sudden does not carry a world. She's just $30,000 bags. Like, I don't know, Erika Jayne doesn't live in the same house she used to. You know what I'm saying? That's a shift. We've been critical of Erika. But like what she has reinvented herself and to adjust

and to go from a mansion of opulence and wealth to say what you want and fine, maybe we don't have sympathy for people with money or whatever and obviously Erica still has a very charmed life, but that is an emotional shift and that is hard to do. And some people make some very terrible and drastic decisions when they lose

all their money or when their life drastically change. God forbid like people like take their own life crazy shit like that when tragedy like that happens. And so for Dorit to be going through something like this and not really knowing what her future looks like and Sutton to be flexing her husband's cash in her face is a choice. We'll see how the scene airs. But I do wish Sutton and Dorit were like united on this front of like Sutton's experience before. It was nice to see Carl and Dorit have a moment at the end. That did feel weird though, didn't it? The way Dorit was answering, what did she say?

She was like, what do you mean? We have to live. She just kept repeating it in like a weird like. Yeah, that was weird. I just wish, I mean, Sutton's kind, I know you love her, and she has a lot of great qualities, but she can be a real big hypocrite. Aren't we all?

Some more than others. Some more than others. All right, is it time to get to Krishel? Let's do it. All right, up next, your favorite Selling Sunset character, Krishel Staus is with with us also formally of Traders. Joins us next to catch up with what's going on in her life or time on Traders.

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You've been avoiding the show for a while. I know because last time there were all these headlines and I was like, oh my God, what did I say? What did you say? I don't remember. As like to be fair, they picked up like Nick's water fast. Is this your first time in the studio? In this one, yes.

So. And you were in the one. I'm gonna be on my best behavior. What did you say? I couldn't, I don't remember. I don't know, to be honest with you. I just remember being scared of doing your podcast for a while. You definitely were.

I was like, you gotta come out. You're like, for sure. But I love when I run into you. It's not that, it was just, you know. No, I know, I know. Anyways, it doesn't matter. All right, it's good to have you back, Rochelle. Hello, good to be back.

It's weird not having headphones on. I'm like, are we even rolling? Are we even here? Yeah, are we rolling? It looks like it did a forest fall. We are rolling. How have you been? So good to have you back.

I'm glad that you're no longer afraid to come on. I'm sorry. No, it's good to be back. I love seeing you. It's just, you know, podcasts can be scary. Like, yeah, but I mean, not really. I don't know. They can be, but like, you know, you're a reality TV star.

Which, what was that? I read something, you posted it. Like basically, who did that article with it? Was it a really nice piece? you posted it. Like, basically, who did that article, was it Ford? Was it a really nice piece? You posted it. Oh, Vanity Fair. Vanity Fair. Is the one I just did, yeah.

Amazing. I think they credited you for basically all of Netflix reality TV success. I didn't pay them to say that, but it was very nice. I was like, Andrew, you were the first. It was very sweet. What do you think is the recipe to your success? I don't think it, to be honest with you,

it's by accident that it's all kinda worked out cause I didn't pursue reality TV. So I've had people come up to me and be like, what should I do? But I don't think the same thing would work because I was always kind of fighting against it until I finally accepted it and then like kinda dived in. So because I thought Selling Sunset was going to be like a reality show about real estate

and me like pursuing a new career. I fully thought it was a different show. So I think it worked because no one really knew what it was and it was completely something different. And so then we, you know, now of course I know what it is, but yeah, like I don't know what the formula is. Get a bunch of unsuspecting naive people together. Think they're talking about real estate, but didn't share pieces of your life.

We talked about this the first time you came on the show when you were on Dance with the Stars, but like, and you probably, Chris and I were supposed to do a movie together. Oh no, I did not know that. No, we were, I was supposed to play her crazy boyfriend from the past or something. It was like a lifetime. You did this movie.

Did you end up doing that movie? No, I didn't. You didn't. Like it was supposed to film in Buffalo, New York or something? No, wait, I did do that one. Did you do that one? Oh my gosh, yes, sorry.

Yes, you're right. Yes, I forget the actor's name. How did that turn out? It's called Staged Killer, and you can still watch it on Amazon. Really? Yes, or Hulu is one of those can still watch it on Amazon. Really? Yes, or Hulu or some one of those. I think it's Amazon.

I got off for the roll, and I didn't know, this is long before Selling Sunset. It was like, so and so's why. You know, like, you know. I was like, oh cool, she seems nice, you know, whatever. And then I just. You would have been the crazy person. Yeah, I was gonna be the bag.

Are you fine doing that? It looks like a lot of fun. I just felt like maybe this wasn't like, it just didn't feel like it was for me. Yeah. You really missed out on the blockbuster Nick. I should go back, what's it called again? Stage killer, everyone's seen it, I'm kidding.

But what's the, can I see, there's like a movie poster? Are you in the movie poster? I think so. Oh, look at that. Who's the guy? That would have been you right there. I can see a little resemblance. I'm sure, you know, I feel like this is one of those,

you know how like sometimes it's almost, it feels like it's rude in like the actor world to like talk about roles you turned down because it's somehow disrespectful to the person who ended up playing this role. So I don't wanna disrespect. I don't think it was disrespectful. He was a lovely guy.

Turns out we ended up being friends anyways. There you go, my god. You know? Um, now we're in the reality TV space. I know. Do you think you'll ever act again? Yeah, actually. So I did a little cameo in a holiday movie

this last holiday season for Netflix called Hot Frosty. It was very small. However. And as Crishell Stiles or? No, I was just playing like a mom with this cute little girl. We were walking into the diner. It was very quick.

You blink, you miss it. However, I've had some really great conversations since then and we are working on doing something in a better, bigger capacity, which would be amazing. So we just have to get the schedules to. Do you like the holiday Christmas genre? I do. I love holiday Christmas genre.

I also love horror. So those oddly enough are so opposites, but I love both and I'm pursuing both. Oh, fun. So yeah. Sometimes the stuff I have, like one that came across was right when we were in the thick of Selling Sunset, so I couldn't do it,

but it would have been so fun. So it's just kind of trying to find the things that work with schedules, right? Speaking of Selling Sunset, where are we in the franchise? Are you guys filming or is there anything going, are you allowed to say anything? Yeah, we're filming season nine currently. It'll be out later this year.

Yeah, I know this isn't a fun answer. Nine seasons, man, that's crazy. Addicted. Does it come out more than once a year? Has it? No, I mean it has in the past. It hasn't been, I mean, I haven't been doing this show for that long.

It has in the past come out more than once a year, but I think we're kind of like on a, it switches up, I don't know. You're on a yearly basis now. Yes. So yes, we're filming season nine currently. It will be out later this year. Last season, there was some toxicity

going on in the group a little bit. Was that fair to say? That really set that one season apart from all the other. But yes. Are there any storylines that, again, I don't know what you can and cannot talk about, but is there reconciliation at all with any of the women or are there more fights?

Where do you stand with everyone right now? Tired. Because there was that whole, honestly, we're, what was it? It was Chelsea. No, no, no. Really, we have, actually we have a mutual enemy. We do.

Oh my god. I mean, I'm joking when I say enemy. Enemy for wasting my goddamn motherfucking time. Oh shit. Ew. You're arch nemesis. Nicole? Yes.

Thank you. She was supposed to come on and you, it was like her first season on and like, I don't know, she was caught up in whatever drama you were going on. That she started, but yes, go ahead. Either way, we were, you didn't want to come on, so we were gonna like, have Nicole, you know? And she like flaked twice, like last minute. And it was like, I didn't- It's not surprising.

And it was like all this high maintenance and she mentioned me back and forth and it was all this. And it was like, it was just, you know. It's because if you can't keep your story straight, imagine the worst place to go. Like the one thing I have to say you're really good at, like if a story started to be convoluted, you would have been asking. If you're lying.

Exactly. I wouldn't come on the show if you're lying. Exactly. And so I am sad she didn't come because it would have been very entertaining to watch you easily deconstruct the lies, but that's why she didn't show up. Is she on this season?

A little bit. Okay, do we have any new cast members? You know, with the show, I think they're always trying to see what works and what doesn't. So it is sad for some people because they're like, oh my gosh, a new cast member, but that doesn't mean that on our show.

They just like let people come in, they see how it works. So I never personally know, even though we filmed with some people, who's gonna make the show, right? Yeah. Do you think this will be the last season? I always think this is gonna be the last season. When they call you up and you're like, really?

I'm like, really? Again? I'm like, wow. I'm, it's a huge honor. It's like, you know, it's flattering, but yes, I'm not gonna lie. Like I'm, nine seasons is a lot for a Netflix show. So.

Just for a reality show in general. Yeah. This is, I'm not expecting an answer. It's even rude for asking, but like I've, I don't, how much do y'all make on there? I mean, I'm not expecting an answer. It's even rude for asking. But like, how much do y'all make on there? I mean, I'm curious. I mean, they're selling houses. I've never thought of that before. Oh, they don't get,

I'll give you a little nugget of information. They don't get a cut of our commission when we sell houses. So when people are always like, you don't really sell houses, right? I'm like, no, I'm not saying everyone does. They can choose to or not. But I'm just saying it is amazing to be on a show about doing something where they actual, they can't get a cut

of our commissions of the. It's some of your houses. I know, so I'm just saying, why wouldn't you want to really use it for that? Hell yeah. You know, purpose. Like why would you purposely not wanna make the most money you could while you're doing it?

The only reason that question came to mind because well one, most reality TV shows don't last nine seasons and if they do, it's not with the same cast. You know, I think you guys have had some turnover but a lot of you remain the same. And so like that's just, you know, I have to be around for nine seasons.

You know, like you want me back or not, you know? Like, so you know. I did, yes. Hats off to you. Thank you, thank you want me back or not, you know, like. So I did, yes. Pats off to you. Thank you, thank you. Truly. I'm wearing better shoes than I was in here the first time I did your podcast.

Are the bottoms red? Not today, but only because my foot is not narrow enough to pull those off. And what are those called again? Louboutins. Not Christian Louboutins, not Louis Vuitton. I learned this, I think in the past 12 months that they're not Louis Vuitton. I learned this, I think in the past 12 months that they're not Louis Vuitton.

In the past month. Past month. Oh, they kept going like, oh, the Louis Vuitton's. I can understand that it is similar. And I remember. And now what do they look like visually different, the spelling? L-O-U-B-I-T-A-N, and then it's Louis Vuitton,

which is first and last name. It honestly. Your wife will take either. And does Louis Vuitton, which is first and last name. Your wife will take either. And does Louis Vuitton sell pumps? Yes. And what are those? Louis Vuitton's known for bags. Christian Louis Vuitton known for shoes. But Louis Vuitton does also carry shoes and vice versa.

And vice versa. And in case you didn't hear me, your wife will accept either. Doing my job. Wow, that's great work right there. Well done. Traders, so much fun. So, that's great work right there. Well done. Thank you. Traders, so much fun.

So much fun. Except for your vibes. I know. Your vibes are off. Let's just get out of the way. I know, I agree. It's all fun and games, who cares? Although some people watch the show, forget it's a game.

They take it very seriously. And are you referring to your castmates or the fans? Well, I just think, you know, I get it. The show's so fun to watch, but I just mean like there is a fandom out there that takes it very, very seriously. But I do think, you know, in the moment when we're filming it, everyone is the same. We're taking it very seriously. You're hoping once you leave the castle, you can kind of have some fun with it

because it is a game at the end of the day. But yes, I can look back at, you know, that was the worst moment of me on the traders was, you know, picking up the wrong vibes from Nikki and I to this moment. That was hilarious. I know. She was homesick. So I picked up on that, but if I could change one thing, I do think that

mortally hurt my confidence in the game going forward. Cause then I was so afraid to be wrong because I did want to speak up. That makes sense, yeah. At one point and I decided not to because of that. What was that moment? The last round table I was at, I had already talked to a couple people about Danielle

and of course now watching the show, I'm like, I picked the worst people I could have tried talking to about that. But at the round table, I was like literally like, should I say something, should I say something? Because it was all about Rob and Brittany and I really didn't feel comfortable voting for either. And I'm just kicking myself.

Of course afterwards could have, would have, should have. Was Nikki like pissed? I don't think she was pissed. I think in the moment she would obviously be hurt and I completely get that. But then she said once she got out of the castle, she was so excited to see her son and we're friends. I can see how it's easy.

I mean, shit, I'm a competitive person. I don't know if you are either, but I've gotten mad losing Monopoly. So I can imagine a friend voting you off. Again, it's still a game. You have to, at the end of the day, there are no teams. And I think that was the thing where it felt like,

again, like at the time, if you put your brain where my brain was at the time. So Bob the Drag Queen just got, you know, just left and was banished. And then I picked up that Nikki was admittedly homesick because, you know, she had a small boy at home at the time. So it's like, that makes sense. But I tied the two together.

Bob's left. It must be so much harder for her to do it without him because they were so close. And then I picked up that. Then that's why when I saw her make that face. Anyway, let's just, that was a shitty play. I picked up on the wrong thing. But listen, there's a lot of times people do the same thing

but they don't get as much heat about it. I mean, like Dylan's been wrong. Exactly. But the girl, but he's, but Dylan is like this hot, very likable guy. It's a lot easier to like, listen, it's just the way the world is. Nikki did call in and she said that she wasn't upset

with you and she said that you called her as soon as you got out of the castle and apologized and whatnot, but she said very, very sweet things about you and your friendship. I love her. I love Nikki. I think she's such a badass. That was obviously, I will never hear the end of it. And happily, the first person to constantly say like, God, I messed that one up. It was hard for me to watch that. Where do you and Tom Sandoval stand today? Have you guys It was hard for me to watch that. Where do you and Tom Sandoval stand today? Have you guys mend any faces?

We haven't. That's a feud I really love to be honest. Yeah, I know. It does make for entertaining television. And is it real or are you guys just, you just gave him a hard time? I mean, to be honest with you, I think that in the game it was real

because I felt like he tried to get me out of the castle from a personal, I had an off-camera conversation with him because I wasn't sure if he knew about the connection or not. And then when we were on camera, and right as soon as we left, he started telling everyone I was a traitor. So I thought he used a moment where we're not supposed to talk about game.

I told him that, and he used it against me in the game. So he was kind of like, you kind of went up to him and you're like, listen, just I'm friends with Ariana. Like I just, Yeah. Transparently just kind of let you know. It kind of came up, I mean, I love her, but it's not like we're calling each other best friends

or anything like that. It kind of came up in conversation. I mean, when I was on special forces with Tom, I didn't know, I hadn't really met him. And I was like, hey, I know who you are, I have a show. I've talked a lot of shit, you know? Because I didn't wanna be like a wolf in sheep's clothing. I didn't wanna like, you know, I kinda tried to explain,

you know, we have a show, I didn't really know you, you know, I don't know you, but like I look forward to getting to know you and yada yada, but it's completely different show. Like you're supposed to unite and come together and Trader's literally is not supposed to trust anyone. And because I knew that I didn't actually do anything for him to have picked up on, it just felt like,

oh, okay, he took this one second conversation I had off camera where the one thing is, you can't speak game. So I thought, oh, I really didn't think that was going to factor into anything. But anyway, when you say off, like, so when you're talking off camera, you say the rules are you can't really talk about what's going on in the show. You can talk about like, I don't know. And at the time the traders hadn't even been, yeah.

And the traders hadn't even been chosen yet. So it was a little more lax about, you know, you know, we're literally, I think miking up or something, I don't even know. Like it wasn't, it really wasn't supposed to be like a something that I'd thought went any further than that. I thought, I thought it was more like, Hey, like, I hope this isn't awkward. Cause I wasn't sure if, if he knew that or not. And then again, so long story short in the castle, then I felt like he made it

personal. So as soon as now we're out of the castle, it's like, you know, it is what it is. I don't really care. Oh, what did, I mean, did you get to know him at all? I don't, when you say get to know him, Tom only speaks about himself. Yeah.

So yes, I heard him speak about himself a lot, being in the same room with him. Okay. Was he always sweaty? In the castle, which was very cold, yes. I was, we got a chance to interview Sam a couple weeks ago and I kind of fell in love with him. I don't know what, I think he's, I said to him,

I think everyone knows who you are and no one knows who you are, because like we all know him as like the ex of, Brittany, this massive icon. We only knew what we thought or heard or assumed. And I was really impressed by just who he was and chatting with him. But what was your opinion? When you first met him, were you kind of like me,

where it's just like, who is this guy? And then you find out who he is, and you kind of wonder, and there's so many questions, like what was that like for you? Yeah, I think it was the same thing. I think that there was, you know, there's a group of girls, if you can tell from watching the show, like it really did feel like, you know,

there's a lot of girls, girls in that castle. So we were a little standoffish with Sam at first, you know, because I was part of the free Britney movement. Thank you. But that being said, you also don't know like anything about what, you know, this is all just like headline stuff. You don't know what's real, what isn't. And then when I actually worked a challenge with him,

we were moving our heads up and down the thing. He helped me in that moment and was just very lovely and was selfless and not trying to get his up there and just like was helping other people. So that was the first time I clocked like, oh, that was really sweet. That was really lovely. So he kind of kept to himself, but we didn't,

I think Ion was very funny before she left. She was like trying to get the tea and kept asking me questions, but yeah. So I- That's such a shame she got voted off so early. I know, I know she's so funny. But yeah, I don't, I mean, it's not like we spend a lot of time together outside of what it is that's in.

So you like what you learn, but you know. But he seemed very lovely, but also just kind of reserved. There was a, when Danielle killed you, or exiled you, or whatever, she said to you, no one was gonna vote you off. Basically saying like, everyone knows you're a faithful. Did you agree with her and what do you think she meant by that?

I'm really fascinated. I think I asked Rob this too, because there seems to be some people where everyone, including the traders, is just like, yeah, we know they're a faithful. Which is interesting because how do you know anyone's anything? If you don't know who the traders are, then how do you know who's definitely a faithful, which is interesting because how do you know anyone's anything? If you don't

know who the traders are, then how do you know who's definitely a faithful? And I am curious what you think she meant by that and if you agree. I understand the critique because I think, you know, going into it, your goal is to prove that you're a faithful, but you almost can't overdo it because then you'll be up for murder. So again, I did it too late, but I should have implemented my plan a night before where I was gonna let it leak that I actually was an actor and then act like I didn't want people to know that

so that it kind of like made a couple of flags go up because basically if you're seen as a full faithful, you know, you almost have to constantly be engaging your game. So it's just one of those things. Yes, I do think I was too faithful. I feel like everybody kind of knew that I was, and that's not a good thing in that game.

I get the problem of almost being too faithful, but how did, because like I could picture, I don't know, like if I'm on that show with you, let's say I was on the season with you, right? I would have been like, if I'm thinking going in, who would they pick to be a trader? You could definitely, you would be on the top of my list. Really?

Well, you're obviously a lovely, nice person, right? Like easy to be around, people enjoy your company, you're popular, but you're smart. You're very sophisticated and like- Well, that's very sweet. I don't think I came across as that smart this season. They cut a couple of the times. Well, the vibes definitely screwed you for sure.

I'm like, come on guys, can you leave that in? I was definitely saying Danielle's name. But I know you enough to know that you're smart and I know that you, but I guess, and I don't know what everyone else thought about you, but clearly whatever you did, you were like, everyone's like, yeah, she's definitely a faithful. And I'm just curious, what did you do to make everyone even so

much so believe that you're almost too faithful? I think because in that very beginning, I had Tony and Tom, um, kind of saying my name. And so from the start, I really felt like out the gate, I had to prove myself as a faithful. So I think what I did was, now there was one player that was going around swearing on her grandkids. I didn't do that. I don't think that makes for great gameplay.

They cut it out, but yeah. Because it's like, yes, but I did, you know, I think. That's crazy by the way. Just give, if you're, I think it's a couple of things, but I think if it's your, you're an open person and then also you're backing it up with like your real feelings. Cause sometimes people would give false feelings, but you're feeling like they're not giving you the truth. Even if they are faithful, like there were times I can look back at conversations and be like, I can tell they were being guarded with me, but I just like tried not to have a guard up with anyone. I should have done a little more

because I was a little too faithful. Like during like you were playing the game, you almost like. Yeah, like I feel like if you're guarded and people are sensing that you're guarded, you can be a guarded faithful. But I, because I was so from the very beginning trying to prove that I was a faithful, I went

unguarded because I was like, oh my God, I'm going to get, I don't want to go first. And so I just went fully unguarded. And I think in doing that, it really made my case, but then it made it harder to just last past a certain point. Wow. Did you do any prep going into the show? Like, did you play a lot of, what's the game? Mafia?

Yeah. Kazzy was talking about. I did watch the other seasons. I love the show, but other than that, I didn't really do any. You didn't do any research or strategizing? Did Rob blow your mind when he was just how calculated? I love Rob. I had just watched Deal or No Deal Island.

I haven't seen his Survivor seasons, but I knew that he was going to be a player I didn't wanna play against. So I was like, listen, if we get to a certain point and I need to think about this harder, I know he's not someone you can trust. But right now, I don't wanna play against him. And I liked feeling like, I was in, I don't know, like to be honest with you, it feels

like a little bit of a nerd, like playing with Rob, because I was like, felt like it was like fun to, I don't know. That's where I'm not a good gamer. Did you ever suspect it? I just want to play with him. Did you ever suspect he was a traitor? I, for sure.

I mean, obviously you have to. Um, but that last day when we were doing bug challenge, it was the longest we're out of the castle and we're together in that car, me, Sierra, Dolores and Rob. So everybody else is away from Rob. Imagine he's the kind of player, the closer proximity you are to him,

the harder it would be to not believe him. It just kind of felt like, oh, like none, think about it, Sierra and Dolores, none of them voted for him that day. No. So I'm just saying, like with a little separation, I would have been able to be like, okay. I feel like if you can figure out who the traitors are and not tell anyone and get close to the traitors,

that's gotta be the move. You even have the, and don't tell the traitors, just keep it to yourself and make the traders feel like you believe in them because then they will see you as an ally. And I think to be honest with you, I was going to so use my real personality, which is I wanna believe Rob is a faithful and I really do like him.

And then I felt like if for any reason I end up at the end, of course I will have to reevaluate this relationship. But I think right now, like, let's not look to, let's not go pulling up every single surface. Let's just leave it. I don't know. So I really, it's hard to say. It's not like I knew for sure.

I didn't, but I thought, you know, he's Rob. So there's a possibility. And where did you shop before you went? Like, did you come fully ready to go? Do they provide anything? No. Nothing. No, I just kind of like.

Credit to the cast, cause they all like really look like you. I mean, Rob has a backward hat, but. They give you like a mood board. Really? Yeah. And then they, yeah, I just went shopping. Okay.

So you bought, you did all of your styling yourself? Yes. Good for you. Thanks. Even the red dress you went home with, like that was, was that provided? Oh, actually I take that back. So I brought a red, they said Even the red dress you went home with? Oh, actually, I take that back. So I brought a red, they said bring a red dress and something black. And so I brought a red dress, but I didn't know it was like, obviously I didn't know

it was to go outside and do bugs in. And it was really cold that day. So they gave me the red dress because mine was like, it's hard to explain, but it was a crochet. It was very selling sunset red dress. I was gonna say bugs were going everywhere. It was, yes. Ready to go home or like really sad FOMO

after you got killed? When you're in it, you're sad. It's the same with Dancing with the Stars. You're so in it, you're so in this bubble. And then the second you're actually out of it, you're like, oh, okay, I can get back to my life. I wanna have my phone. I had a dramatic death, which I loved.

So in the moment, you really are sad, but then. Yeah, you did have a dramatic death. You're right about Dancing with the Stars, too. That's even worse, because if you, like, it's still on, and it's live, and you see them all performing, and you're like, I was there last week, I'm sad. But it's that same bubble feeling,

where it's like, you are so immersed in it, where you really are just like, thinking of everything you wish you'd done and oh my God, why didn't I bring that up? And anyway, but then cut to 24 hours later, you're like, oh, have fun you guys. That's amazing, how's G? So good, actually they're a little recovering

from yesterday, they were a little sick, but good. I think that stuff going around. What was going through your mind when you turned around and saw Danielle and Carolyn? Did you suspect either? I know you said you kind of suspected Danielle earlier, but I did. Carol, Carolyn, Carolyn, Carolyn. Was Carolyn kind of a surprise for you? Complete surprise.

I mean, real shock. Everyone seems to say that like no one suspects her at all, which tells me like, hmm. Or I think that she's actually playing like a really good game. Well, clearly, yeah. But Frozen 4, 100%. What was she doing?

So I think because in the castle, she was coming across so vulnerable to the game, like there was a couple times where, I remember once she said at the round table that she kind of spoke up that day that she had that thing with Danielle and wasn't feeling like people were listening to her. I went to find her after just to kind of give her a hug

and make sure she was okay, and I couldn't find her. And then we're later in a holding thing before we go, and I just, that's when we're not supposed to talk and I was like oh I was looking for you I hope you're okay and then she just said like now I know she was a traitor and she was being pulled for interview and I'm an idiot but anyway um in the moment I just wanted to make sure she was alright and then she just said oh I told them I need breaks. Like I can't mentally take all of this. Like I need breaks.

So that sat in my head of like, you know, her being like a vulnerable player and it is a lot. And now of course that was part of the game. She was gaming me right in that moment that I was trying to make sure she was okay. Is there any, like it is a game, right? But the game is to be deceitful in line. Yeah, like that was smart.

Does it make you feel any kind of way about realizing these people so successfully lied to you? I think that it's the name of the game. We've signed up for it. Yes. Can some gameplay be a little like eye roll worthy, like, you know, like personally, I think swearing on certain things or doing certain things. But that being said, I've also seen the gamer's game on things like Survivor or whatever,

that one famous storyline about his grandma. So it's like, it is- What's that? Oh, there's this famous Survivor player that told everyone about his grandma dying and it was all a lie. And it was like a big, Johnny Fairplay, that's his name. Or they do like big amulets to like swear

that they have immunity. It's like, it's so game playing. You know, like I'm- I think the non-gamers don't respect it as much because it's like, oh my God, can someone check on those grandkids? Like, are they okay? Yeah, yeah.

It's just, I- With our- To the gamers. And do they make, is anyone doing shit like that? Swear on your kids. Are people out there telling you to do that? In the house, Danielle started that with a group of us. And it did kind of get her further in the game

than because with the non-gamers. She was basically saying, would you swear on your kids? Yeah, and she had us go around in a circle. Of course, this was all cut. But, and I think to the non-gamers that stuck with us because it's like, you know, like a Dolores and me, you know. And so when it was like, started to get too far for my brain,

Dolores was one of the ones I talked to, but that really, you know, Dolores was like, nobody would do that. Yeah. You know, and so anyway. But because they cut the whole storyline, they ended up cutting my moments where I feel like I'm onto something because they cut the whole storyline.

So when I really am talking to people about Danielle, that's the main thing we're talking about. So the whole thing is cut anyway. I'm hoping Delores steps up for you. That's some evil shit. But I think it will come out at the reunion. Who knows what they'll cover, but I know Carolyn said as well, she's bringing evil shit. But I think it will come out at the reunion. Who knows what they'll cover, but I know Carolyn said as well, she's bringing it up.

Just out of curiosity though, when Danielle did that, did people play along with her or people were like, no, fuck that, I'm not doing that. We all did, it was a group of four of us. We all went around, we swore on what was the most important to us. And yeah, and you'll never see it because they cut it, but it did happen.

Was this earlier in the game? Yeah. So with that, did your red flags go up too with the challenge that she did where she wasn't putting her own photo up for a shield? Yes, yes, I was sitting next to Sierra. And actually even in that episode, it says, okay, there's red flags,

there are flags going up and they're red. So they gave me one ounce, but yes, I even see her and I had a moment where we're both like, what is going on right now? So from that moment and then the moment, you know, as I'm kind of consoling her when Derek doesn't come to breakfast, I'm like, you know, I'm from soap, so, you know,

there was no tears and the fake acting. I was just like, oh, this isn't, doesn't seem right to me. So anyway, I'm just mad. I can only be mad at myself because I really wanted to bring it up at that round table. And I was just chicken. I think, you know, when you're not a gamer,

you double question everything. And I, yeah, I wasn't like a super bold player and it hinders you. You have to just go for it and you might get killed for it and you gotta try it. I don't know if the term's easier or harder to show up for, selling sunset or traders. I think it's way easier to show up for traders

because it's a game. So even like in these moments where I'm saying, but it's a conversation and some people may respect it and some people may not, but at the end of the day, everyone signed up for a game. Right. And it's kinda like the content. It's lighter.

Yeah, you're not. The show's very, I'm assuming it's only in Sunday, you guys have to show up and figure out what the fuck. It's like people sometimes coming after your family in real life. And I'm sure the housewives would say the same thing, where it's like, in the castle, it's like, well, all's fair and whatever. You might have you know, in the castle, it's like, well,

all's fair and you know, whatever. You might've murdered me, but when I see you next time, I'm not going to be mad about it. Yes, like we may rib each other. And no one's like accusing other people of like crazy rumors or anything like that. Right, where it's like, oh, okay, they said this, like, let me try and think of something. I talked to a blogger and they said, right. So Traders is, I like, is it's like under the guise of like, even the people that like,

I didn't have, you know, like when you said Tom Sandoval, it's like, if I see him, it's like, not like I, I'm like, oh my God, I hate you. I don't actually care that much. You don't, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

As Excelling Sunset gets real personal. It has gotten very personal, where it's like, oh, this person can't be in the room at the same time as this person. Is there anyone you can't be in the room at the same time as this person. Is there anyone you can't be in the room with on Selling Sunset? With our current cast, no.

Yay. And that's excluding Nicole. There's just been some shakeups. So if you could nominate one of your Selling Sunset cast members to go on Traders, who would you recommend? I'm gonna say Emma. No, actually Emma would hate it because Emma would hate being away from home,

off her phone, like immersed in this thing. It would have to be somebody that's like down to kind of get in there. And there's a lot of things that aren't glamorous about the, no, Jason, oh my God, absolutely not. The worst of the worst. You don't think he'd be good at it? Because it's super unglamorous. Like the food you have to eat, the hours you have to film, No, Jason, oh my God, absolutely not. The worst of the worst. You don't think he'd be good at it?

Because it's super unglamorous. Like the food you have to eat, the hours you have to film. Are you kidding me? He's a diva. Oh my God. He'd be like, call the helicopter. Where's my agent? Like- The food sucks? It's not great at times.

It's British food. It's sometimes not great. I'm gonna go with, cause you have to have a little bit of scrappiness. I'm gonna go with Chelsea. I feel to have a little bit of scrappiness. I'm gonna go with Chelsea. I feel like Chelsea would be able to be really good gaming, but also she's got a good poker face. She's also unsuspecting and the British accent.

But yeah, I don't know if she'd be okay with leaving her kids though. So it's hard, because some people- It's just more like game playing. I'm just curious who you think would do well. Yeah, I think that'd be my answer. Chelsea. I agree.

Just because some of the people, like anyone that needs a pampered this and this and this, there's no hair and makeup, you have to film all day. I'm out. Like crazy hours, no sleep. Like, yeah. No sleep. It's freezing, like you can't, yeah.

Sleep. I mean, you sleep, but it's very, especially even if you're a traitor, it's worse. But it's like, I mean, we would get home at like, I think one time it was like 1.30 in the morning, and then they're coming to pick you up at 8.30 in the morning, and you have to be they're coming to pick you up at 8.30 in the morning and you have to be ready, like as a girl,

you have to wake up early and get ready, you know? So it was just, and your brain is reeling. So it's also hard to fall asleep because you're just like, imagine those nights of what you watched. Oh yeah, yeah, I could see that. You know, going over like, who, was that weird? Am I gonna call them out tomorrow?

Yes, and wait, who voted for that person? Wait, did he vote for her? You know what I mean? It's a lot. So I'm just saying. I would need to bring a lot of edibles. Are you gonna do the show? You know, they asked season one

and they've always, like they checked in. I just, like it's been too hard to do. Someday I hope I get the opportunity. Like I think it would be a lot of fun. And having friends who have gone out and had a good time, yeah, I think someday, we're doing so much here. But someday I hope I get the chance. It's fun.

Obviously, logistically, there are some elements to it that it's like, oh, this isn't going to do late night talk show and everything is like pampered. No, no, no. Like you're at the end of the day. I did Special Forces, Grichelle. Oh, that's right. And then The Bachelor, which is even worse.

Oh, you're gonna be fine. I would, I don't think I would find it to be. I forgot about, how could I forget about Special Forces? Do you know who was in the castle talking about this nonstop? Tom. Tom Sandvall. It was either his band or that show. So actually I know all about in the castle talking about this nonstop? Tom. Tom Sandoval. It was either his band or that show.

So actually I know all about it. Was he really proud of it? I mean, I'm proud of that experience. Oh no, yeah, I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying it was like, you would literally walk in a room and you'd be talking about that show and I would just be like,

okay, I can't hear about this one more time. You're not gonna go see Tom Sandoval in the extras anytime soon? Well, also you just have so little time to talk about game and you'd walk in a room and he's talking about his band or he's talking about special forces and you're just like, oh my God. How's the real estate market out there?

It's okay, it's getting better. The interest rates are high. It's a weird time because of the fires and everything. So I wanna be positive about it, but I also have to be realistic. So it's getting in a better place. Anything else you want to talk about? Was this hard, easy?

Did you have fun? Wait, is that it? I was just, I don't know. I just was expecting, listen, that's great for me. What are you expecting? I don't know. I never know what to expect. And now I feel like we have to ask her more questions.

So this season was soloing sunset, no I'm just kidding. But you're in love, you're happy, everything's great. I'm so in love, so happy. How was Married Life? Married Life was good. So good, G has to turn their album in at the end of next week, so just been working like crazy long hours.

But I am excited for the world to see, you know, the new songs, maybe there was some really lovely ones in there, but also just like the best work they've ever done. So. Five years from now, what would be your dream come true? Like describe your life. And I want specifics, not like I'm happy and healthy. Let's assume we're happy and healthy.

You asked for this? Okay, five years from now. I don't know. See, why couldn't I shut my mouth? I've been like. Now you're stuck here. Five years from now. I mean, I have to be open to different possibilities

because I know that I will be with G and we'll be happy and we'll have to make whatever happens work. But we've had some difficulties. We obviously are trying to have a family. Wonderful, I didn't know that. Yes, so it's just, it's not the easiest. So we've just, so I don't know. So I guess the reason why I'm not giving specifics

is because in my position, if it doesn't happen the way I want it to happen, I don't want it to look like a failure in any way. Like, well, I'll get my mind around the new. Conceiving is always just a very emotional time and scary time, regardless of who you are. And can I ask some questions around that? Sure, I may not answer them,

but you can ask whatever you want. What's the process that you guys are going through? So basically we went through the process of, you know, having, um, a donor, you know, with eggs and all of that stuff. And it just didn't work out. Um, and for a few reasons. And so then going forward and figuring out, you know, what we have to do. It's a whole thing, but basically like a lot of things have to go right.

And I am of a certain age, you guys, I don't know if you know this or not. I don't know. 23. Exactly, oh my God, what was that viral moment where that girl's like saying, I know myself to be 26. Exactly. I know that they're saying.

So anyway, so anyway, without getting too in the weeds, it's just, it's a process. And I think that I'm trying to learn and stay open to, it may look different than what we're trying for currently. Because if time ends up being like, oh, too late, then we'll do something else and we'll, so something else will be the. Either way, it'll be perfect.

So I, yeah, I'm just the poster child for, you know, go with, try it, but try and always embrace it and be happy with what you're given, so. Well, I'm excited for you both and I wish, luck seems like, I'm wishing you nothing but luck. No, listen, I'll take it, we need it, I'll take some luck. Ben, I certainly know that can be an emotional time. So, you know, just, you know, be there for each other.

Obviously, I'm sure obviously you guys are, but anything else? I appreciate that. No, I know now we're really good, Nick. I can go deeper. I mean, like, what's your trauma? Like, let's unpack it, Rochelle. What's your trauma, Nick? Let's get a juicy segment.

You're the one where like, that's it? Like, as if I didn't do my job. Oh, Rochelle. What's your trauma, Nick? Let's get a juicy segment of Nick. You're the one where like, that's it? Like, as if I didn't do my job. Oh, I'm sorry, I never meant to do that. But can we get a juicy moment from you, a juicy segment from you? What do you mean? What's your trauma?

Let's unpack it. You want me to leave? No. I liked when you guys went into your latest fight the other day. I thought that that was. You know, Natalie and I have, we've been sharing more anecdotal stories

about our love life. I was absolutely right though. I know the internet completely disagreed with me. But I think it's healthy when you can like get to a place where you know, you're almost like laughing about how ridiculous it is, because it helps you in those moments then not take it so personally.

You're a great person to ask, because I do feel like a lot of mine and Natalie's like discussion and more subsequently, like the opinions of the internet, I feel like it was more gender based. Okay. You know, guy job versus girl job. Yeah.

And I feel like with you and G, who's doing what, because like you guys don't have to conform to some of the gender stereotypes that maybe your you know heterosexual relationships do yeah who's getting the water and to be honest with you we don't have so that's interesting you bring that up because it's not like one person takes on the you know the quote-unquote guys role and not like because I'm a very nurturing person so I love to take care of G but then then also it switches because G can be that way for me. I think it depends on who has 100% and who doesn't.

So if G's really tired, had a long day, I'm doing everything I can to go overboard and try and nurture and everything, and then I come home from work and I'm like these crazy bitches or something, and G's like, okay, what can I get you? I think it's just realizing who has more to give at the time and switching roles.

Okay, but if you're in the bed first. If I was in the bed first, G would go get it for me. But I would ask very nicely. 100%. And yes. For the record, I wanna say that there are several nights each week where I am in bed and then have to get out of bed to do whatever.

So the in bed first rule does not apply to members of our family. Just wanted to stay true to the story, that's all. But I am traumatized by that, that's good. I'm bad at this because I saw and I could see both sides because I actually can understand if it was like, yeah. So I'm probably not a good person. You know, we're just a vessel for all relationships

out there to feel seen. But I do think it was nice that you guys kind of went into it because this is ends up being like what people end up like the little things like that. Really? It's like relatable. Chrishell, I always love seeing you. That was so lovely.

Nice to have you. I just want this to be harmless for you. So then, you know, next time, and I'm like, come back, and you're just like, oh. I know. You should be on twice a year. Oh, that's very sweet.

What are we gonna talk about? I don't know. Got a show coming out? You're a busy bee. You're a fascinating person. It's always good. We can also, are you watching any TV? Are you doing any, like, are you?

I haven't, you know what? I haven't been watching. I'm normally like a bachelor, bachelorette person. Are you doing severance at all? Yes. Oh my God. Where are you? I'm caught up.

You're caught up? Yeah. I'm caught up. But yeah, I feel like at the last couple seasons, I fell behind and then I haven't caught up. Bachelor? Yeah. So I think I, because I didn't caught up. Yeah, so I think I,

because I didn't see the Bachelorette or this Bachelor. I think it was because I was filming the Traders and then it was when the first Bachelorette aired is when we were filming that and now I'm behind. So I'm just, I don't know. It's a good season. I can always catch up. It's actually more fun if you can just binge it all at once.

So maybe I'll do that one. But yeah, no, I have nothing to, unless you're gonna do a Severance episode, Nick, I doubt. Will you be watching White Lotus? We watch, we- Are you kidding? We watch? Did you watch the first episode?

I thought the first episode was a little slow. Oh my God, can we talk about how let down I am by the music? Yes. Wait, are you talking about the theme song or the whole- Yes. Yes. How can you go from that song to that song? Like it's still in my head. What is the new song?

No one knows. False blood. No one knows, it's just like elevator music. I understand it's episode one, you got all these things mature, you get the little story, you know, right? But I was like, I was like, but you know what?

But it's- Round this shit up. I know, but it's just how it works with every scene because they're all new characters. So that part didn't bother me, but I was a little like- That I'm gonna have to shut up. I know, but it's just how it works with every scene because they're all new characters. So that part didn't bother me, but I was a little like, Oh, well. Not all new. Oh, true. Got a couple. But think about it, even season one, season two,

they all start slow because you're trying to get to know who they are. No, I know, but this one, I feel like we usually start with like a dead body in a. There was a dead body. Oh, I guess we did. I guess we did in a body of water. I take that back.

Yeah, I was there. What is the second floating dead body to start the season? So, I don't know, Mike. Oh, come on. I think it's gonna be great, but. The reviews, I mean, everyone says this is, they've hyped this up. Has someone seen the whole thing and already said that?

No, but I don't know, critics, I don't know, someone, the internet, you know, maybe it's Mike White himself, but like. But like. But Parker Posey can do anything. I love Parker Posey. I love the people in the cast. I've just, you know, but I've heard this is like. Yes, I'm gonna get past the song.

I feel like I'm gonna love, I love the show. We'll forgive the music. So unmemorable for me. Well, stick with it. Cause I feel like it's just the first episode. No, we're gonna stick with it. I don't know why I'm saying it like. Krishel, we love you.orable for me. Well stick with it because I feel like it's no I don't know why I'm saying it like it. Krishel we love you thanks for coming. Love you guys. Okay bye. Alright well thanks for listening and thank you to all our guests Denise Richards, Alex from Love is Blind

and Krishel Staus. We love them all. We got a great week lined up for you next week so be sure to tune in. Until then have a great leak lined up for you next week, so be sure to tune in until then. Have a great weekend. Bye.