The Viall Files - E891 Going Deeper with Bella Thorne

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper with Bella Thorne From Disney Channel, to Tana Mongeau, Whoopi Goldberg, and Zendaya… Bella Thorne has built her dynasty on being authentic and honest. Yet in protecting her peace, we have not heard much from her lately.  Please join us for this heartfelt interview, where Bella dives into it all! “Did you ever get a sincere apology from Whoopi?” Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  Thank You to Our Sponsors: Vessi - Make every moment this February unforgettable with Vessi. Visit https://www.vessi.com/viall to get your comfy companion and get an automatic 15% off your first order checkout. Oneskin - Get 15% off OneSkin with the code VIALL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Brooklinen - Shop award-winners and fan-faves in-store or online at https://brooklinen.com Get 15% off your first order today! Ritual - Start a Ritual that’s backed by science, without the B.S. Ritual is offering 25%off your first month at https://ritual.com/viall. That’s https://ritual.com/viall for 25% off. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (01:09) - Welcome Bella (02:58) - Bella’s Life (28:14) - Online Comments (42:53) - You’re Engaged (58:13) - Reality TV (01:08:09) - Three Rings (01:10:30) - What’s Next (01:17:34) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @bellathorne (Check out Bella's jewelry line https://thornedynasty.com/ and use code THORNE20) @justinkaphillips  @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell  

Hey guys, I'm Giulio Gallerati and this is Oops! The Podcast. We would love to collab with you. Our listeners love Oops! for its sophisticated banter, aka your mom could listen. And many feel like they're in the room with us chopping it up with old pals. And pals, we are indeed. I'm joined every episode by producer and confidant Ryan Lynch, various comedians and other interesting people

for witty, candid, and intoxicating conversation, join us. Do you know how our scubs swell? A little bit. Well enough, I think. For the most part. What are you? A little bit. Well enough, I think. What are you? A Libra. When's your birthday?

October 8th. Oh nice. Do you know all your rising and all that other stuff? I did at one point. And now I think I've forgotten it. I know that one of them is like a Taurus.

And I was like, oh, that makes sense because my Libra-ness is a bit too chill for how I am personally. Naturally as a person, I am quite by the book, you could say, on things. So I was like, ah, that must be the Taurus. I mean, I wish I knew more about it. I honestly don't even know what they all are.

I always hear about the Geminis. I know Libras. Campers, yeah. I love Geminis, my favorite sign. What, when is that? Geminis in May. Yeah, are we ready? I mean, I still got,

can we keep talking about horoscopes? I'm kind of fascinated by it. Bella, welcome to the Valfal. Thank you for having me. It's great to have you. I'm so excited. Where'd you get that sparkle cup? Oh yeah.

Yeah, a little bit of- It's Versace. A little something something in here. Okay. You know what I mean? Little light vodka. Oh, there we go. Love that. If you need to pop it off, we got a whole bar. No one ever drinks it.

I know there is a lot of liquor out there. We do a lot of morning interviews, but you know. We did have someone come in and like rip shots at like 10 a.m. once. No judgment. Wow. No judgment. Wow. No judgment. That's awesome in some ways.

It's kind of like seeing people at the airport when you have a super early flight and they're sitting at the bar with wine and you're like, I mean, I guess. You know, gotta get to it some way. Isn't an airport though different? Isn't it like at any time in an airport? That's true.

It's like five o'clock somewhere in an airport. Yeah, there's like no rules maybe in an airport, I feel like you should be allowed to drink. Yeah, take five o'clock somewhere in an airport. Yeah, there's like no rules maybe in an airport, except there's a lot of rules. Except, yeah. Except drinking alcohol. And time does matter, because you do wanna make your flight, but I suppose it is like,

you walk into an airport, you're kind of on vacation. It's a judgment-free zone. Whatever. So have you been, like obviously crazy world these days. Yeah, yeah. I know I've read everything safe. Fire wise. Yes. Thankfully.

Yes. The house is there. I was out of town as well filming and my sister and whatnot had to evacuate. And it was so scary being on FaceTime and whatnot with her dealing with that situation. And yeah, when I had come home, I was like, I guess we'll see if it's still there. That's what I would like to do.

Not even be home and just be watching everything happen and like not know what's going on. Yeah, and be checking in on everybody constantly seeing how everyone was doing. Yeah, very weird being on the other side. That is really weird. No. Okay, I am super intrigued by just your life in general. I obviously, I'm 26, so I grew up on Shake It Up.

Oh, yay. Love Shake It Up. Was that your first ever acting experience or did you do anything before that? Yes, yeah, I did quite a few things before that. I was on Big Love on HBO and quite a few other shows, some movies, but nothing comedy. So that was my first comedy.

I had wondered growing up in my life if I would ever do comedy, if I was even funny in any sort of way. Well, you crush, clearly. Oh, thank you, thank you. My sister actually went over those lines with me for the audition. And so that's like a really fond memory.

Yeah, I bet. I feel like, I mean, so how old were you when you first got into acting? Eight, yeah. Wow. And like, how did that even happen? Well, I had been modeling since I was born, since I was six weeks old, oddly enough.

And- You were this perfect child. And they were like, this baby's so beautiful. No, actually I was an ugly baby. My mom never forgets to remind me that I was a very ugly baby. She's like, I don't know how you booked these jobs, but you did. Yeah, I was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck,

so I was quite blue when I came out. Yeah, and they had to rush me away. And then hours later, they brought me back, and my mom was like, that one's not mine. And she kept telling them to look at her other previous children, and they were all very beautiful babies. My sister even won the Beautiful Baby Award in the hospital. Who does that?

I mean, wow. I'm sorry. Since you're this little. Just getting in the shame real early. And I had all this like dark hair that later on fell out and became blonde. But she just, she was definitely kept telling them that I was, I was not the baby. I was not the baby that came out. And they were like, no, this one is yours. Promise you. Yeah. She was like, no, not that one.

Yeah. Yeah. And then somewhere along the way, I just had to blow up. Yeah, you really came through. Wow. Like as soon as you got that look, mom just rushed you in to the modeling gig. What was your first, I mean,

what was your first early memory of modeling? Like were you doing it all the way through as a young child? Yes, yeah, all the way through. There was a Target commercial as well. I did commercials as well and then did acting. And one really fond memory I have is this Target commercial and there was all these butterflies on set

and they had such colorful sets and everything matched and it was monochromatic and it's really such a beautiful commercial and when I think about the stuff that I like even in my own house or when it comes to building sets and how much that's in me and I feel like it came from that moment being so wowed as I think I was six or seven. And I was just so amazed by the color and the sets and it all being matching. Yeah, it's a very, very beautiful commercial. Target killed it on that one. Like, rest.

And did you enjoy it all the way through? Were there ever moments where you're just like, I'm over this? Or is it something that you always just kind of No, not, yeah, not as a child. I think you're stoned. Everything is awesome. And yeah, I think when you start to get a little bit older

and you're tired, then you're like, ah man, this is a long day. So there was no part of you that would have rather been like outside playing with your friends or doing whatever you wanted to. No, I didn't have friends. I was not a, yeah, no. I was also bullied in school when I was there.

So they took me out, and they took me to Sylvan Learning Center, then I was diagnosed with dyslexia. And yeah, I was- Nick's also dyslexic, so safe space. Yeah, knock on. Yes. I'm not.

You honestly brought awareness to it for me. What the fuck? Sorry. Sorry, sorry. No, seriously, I know, cause you were honestly back, I'm a bit older, so when I was a kid, you didn't know about dyslexia or talk about dyslexia. And honestly, if you found out you were dyslexic,

you weren't telling people. That was something you definitely would have gotten picked on. And it wasn't until I was adult where I was like, why can I not read out loud very well? I could never figure it out, because I was just like, I'm not stupid. So what age did you get diagnosed? Like in my 30s? Yeah.

Wow. Was it like somewhat? Ah, yeah, it was. I didn't like it didn't really change anything. I didn't like start. I didn't take any dyslexic courses courses to help me like read better. A lot. Honestly, I don't know if they have those. I don't know if they do, because like I would love because like a teleprompter is like a nightmare for me.

I'm like, slow down please. Oh my God. But it does, it like, I felt a little seen, not to sound corny, but it was just like, I'm a big believer in like, I don't like to like lean into my weaknesses, so to speak, but I think it's just nice to know what they are. So at least I just like, be like, oh, oh, I don't have to make excuses for anything,

I'm just dyslexic now. So it's just, I don't lead with it, but like, yeah, now I know why I have no idea how many vowels are in a word or why I have a hard time reading a teleprompter and everyone else makes it look so easy and it looks so hard for me. I still have a huge fear of reading out loud and in front of people.

And when I was doing my book tour and whatnot, it was like, no, you are doing this. Like this is something that, and in my book there is like a lot of references to dyslexia and whatnot and I spell things wrong and then I rewrite it on the typewriter and rewrite it again and keep spelling it wrong. And it was like a nice way to like,

I'm dyslexic, everybody. Maybe feel a lot better about myself I think. It's actually, and also one of my favorite, after I found out, then people were telling me all the very talented, very successful people who are dyslexic. Mm-hmm. Apparently. So many. So many.

The first book that Nick bought our daughter, River, was the Dyslexic ABCs, and it was every... I bought it for myself. Yeah, it was like Albert Einstein for A, or like, you know, all of the people who have just been so brilliant in this world who are also dyslexic. All for the every letter?

Yeah. I want that book! We were at like a kid's store and I like I bought it for me. I mean I'll read it to her someday but I'm like you know tell her about dad. So you were all I mean many people are Natalie has some horrific bullying stories. I mean it was the full Mean Girls scene of like, my, I had started modeling at a young age and they took one of my modeling pictures

and she wrote, sucks for free whore and like all over school, like all over Twitter. It was, yeah, it was everywhere. And I'm so sorry. It was a nightmare. But then I quickly left and was like, I'm gonna move to New York and model, bitch. Yeah, exactly.

Fuck you, whore. Yeah, but it was very traumatic. So I understand that feeling of being like, let me just get the fuck out of here. How long did you have to deal with that? For like, I left like Christmas time. So it was the beginning of, so like August to December probably.

I'm so sorry. Every once in a while Natalie will get like a DM from someone from like back home and Natalie will be like, yep, heard from another bully, you know, cause now that like Natalie's out here and- Yeah, I'm sure they'd forgotten all about their- Got a little bit in the public eye.

Oh my God, girl, how are you? Congratulations! Oh my God, you made it! Yeah. I always loved you. Did you ever hear from any of your like high school bullies who like decided to forget that they were assholes to you and like just remind you like, Oh, we used to go to school and be best friends. No, actually one of my biggest bullies was my teacher.

She really went out of her way to bully me in front of classmates, make me get up and read knowing I couldn't, make me stay there. At one point she even threw away a Christmas present that's like, you know when you get those things and it has the mug and it has the little cocoa and stuff. And so our parents, you know, got all the teachers like different things. And I saw it in the trash when I came back from recess and

I'll never forget seeing it just physically in the trash and like not being able to really comprehend that as a child of like why is it in there and I just didn't really understand and when I told my mom when I had gotten home she was like she did what she was so upset she even went as far as to fake my testing to get into the next grade because she wanted to keep me and humiliate me. And my, um. Was this teacher ever reprimanded?

Oh yeah. My, uh, principal who had a really, I think a fond liking to me because I was bullied and sometimes I would have to sit in her room and do things instead of being with the rest of the class doing things like testing and whatever. So when my mom got back those results and stuff and she took it to the principal and was like, look at this handwriting stuff does not match. It literally doesn't match.

And the principal had me retake the test and I passed with flying colors. This whole bag. So then she was, she was put on leave after that. And yeah. How old were you when this happened? I was in second grade going to third. That is the craziest thing ever.

How can an adult just like hate a second grader that much? Literally. And I understand that I was often not in school a lot with modeling. adult just like hate a second grader that much. Literally. And I understand that I was often not in school a lot with modeling so young. And because I spoke Spanish and that's my first language and with the reading, I don't know what about me made her like hate me or if she just thought it was so funny when I was reading to be crying in front of everybody and to keep making me do it. Like, I don't know where in her, I don't know where

anybody gets joy out of a child crying and being, you know, a stepping stone in that in any sort of way. I'm like, why? Why? But I have seen comments before, like, oh, I was friends with her in school. And I was like, liar, liar, liar. I ain't have no friends. You're all liars. Yeah, it's one of my favorite things when Natalie reads me these messages from real-time. It's also sometimes when I get hate from people,

I feel like it's a little bit easier for me to be like, fuck you, because it's like, the shit I went through at such a young age, like this does not affect me anymore. Like maybe it would have. Good for you. That's a hard feeling to have. It's strengths.

It is, it is very hard. So I also am very sorry that you went through that. I know that it can be very traumatic. Police sisters. Police sisters, we're connected. Forever. Yeah. Oh, trauma bonding.

Isn't it good? Yeah. It's good to get out, you know? I always love the, again, it always feels good to rise above the shit that happens to you. And yeah, sometimes we'll always run into people when we go back home to her house,

and the different people who react to Natalie, especially when they're like, oh, you made it or whatever. It's like, it sucks to hear, but like stories when she was picked on, but you can definitely like, when we run into some people, like one girl was in Thanksgiving,

you ran into a girl and she's like, oh, you really made it. And the girl she was with was someone who like bullied you or didn't like, and like she kept going. And like, I don't know, it's, I'm always proud of you when I see's like, oh, you really made it. And the girl she was with was someone who like bullied you or didn't like, and like she kept going. And like, I don't know, it's, I'm always proud of you. And I see people like think like you made it out here or whatever, it's always fun. Thanks, I think it's more so just like getting out

of your hometown. Yeah. You know, which is sometimes really hard to do. I mean, you're from a small town in Florida, right? When did you personally feel like I have made it? I'm out of this small town. I'm out of the bullying. I'm away from the trauma. Let's see a month ago?

Maybe? Yesterday? Yeah, I'm not sure that some of those feelings were ever go away or that I will ever really feel like I made it. I'm not sure that my want for creative more will ever allow me to feel that way. Yeah, I'm not I think I'll always still have that kind of feeling inside of me. I'm not sure when. Don't look like you're gonna cry. I don't want you to feel like that forever. Yeah, yeah, I would like to not feel like that forever as well and I think, you know,

at some point probably will not when something is so incredible and I really feel like I've done something really great, then maybe I'll not have that feeling a little bit. But yeah, I think I always use all those feelings to drive me or else they'll just sit there getting negative and stirred. And yeah, it's always best to do something with them,

put it into something. I definitely have a hard time enjoying any successes I've had with things I've done. I try to work on that. I mean, you've obviously had a very successful career. You've done a lot of amazing things despite like having that feeling. Is there one thing that you've done

that you are really proud of or that you're most proud of of all the cool things that you've accomplished? I would say probably reading my book out loud at Carnegie Hall. Okay. That was a nice one. It was three separate reasons to be proud. One, my dad always loved Carnegie Hall.

And so to get there and him not be here to see it was like a, and I got to do my poetry about him as well. And yeah, and I think the reading out loud and having a book that's solely based on mental health and being a bit of a mess and dealing with those feelings on, you know, on the inside and being able to do that all three of those things was like such a yeah, I don't think I'll ever forget that feeling. Yeah, I do remember that the person I was dating though at the time decided to pick a fight with me the whole night. Okay. And I was so upset and I ordered like Uber Eats. And I'll never forget that I actually like looked

at the street that they were picking up the food at for some reason. And it was Delancey Street, which is my dad's name. So I was like, yes. And also F you boyfriend, you can go suck it. Yeah. So it was nice. It was like, my dad's like, don't let suck it. Yeah. So it was nice. It was like, my dad's like, don't let anybody dim your shine. You got to hear it. That's a great answer. Yeah. Like to be able to read that aloud, you know, especially given all the things that you've done.

Like definitely it wasn't an answer I was expecting. It's a cool moment. I also got to read at the White House. Oh yeah. If you're kids with disabilities. And that was, that was like one of my first times publicly reading. And I was so, so scared and nervous. And I asked my mom how I did when I was done.

And she said, you can take a breath. Because I read the whole, I was so afraid to mess up one word that I read the entire book like this, all like this and the whole entire time. And then I was done. I completely relate to that as a dyslexic person. That I read the entire book like this all like this and the whole entire time and then I was done I will not mess up. I will not mess up How old were you you're talking about your dad a lot? I know he passed in 2007, right? How old were you when he died? Um, I was nine. Wow, and he how did he pass a motorcycle accident?

Yes, he was riding the motorcycle. Yes. He had nitrous put on his Ducati, which as you know It's a great idea for anybody But and they had he had problems with his bike turning off And he took it back to the shop And I remember my mom and dad arguing about this bike in general. My mom always saying, like, you're gonna kill yourself one day using that bike. Like, she was so upset when he got it. And it was turning off, so they put it back in the shop. And the shop let it out earlier than it was supposed to.

And that first time he rode it, it just stopped and he spun out. that first time he wrote it, it just stopped and he spun out. And then they airlifted him and by the time they got him on the table per se, because he had so many broken bones, his heart gave out on him and then he had a heart attack. So technically he died of a heart attack, but it was because of too much pressure. Yeah, so that was shitty. And then our grandma died like two months later and that was like, you know, my mom's mom That's like, you know the one who really raised her and that just oh That was a double a double whammy for the family for sure how what was that conversation like when they I Assume your mom told you about your dad?

Oh, well, we just heard, we were supposed to go to the beach that morning. My dad was also supposed to come up in the next few days, finally to LA and kind of close out his house there and actually move here with us. So that was also weird timing. And I remember in my bunk bed hearing my mother screams, screams, screams, screams. And I walked out and she was against the wall and she fell to the floor and she's on the phone

and she's just screaming bloody murder like an animal being slaughtered is what it sounds like. I'll never forget those screams. And she didn't believe them as well. She was like, you're lying to me because his phone was off and they turned it on and all the text messages come through. So she's like, I just got texts from him, like literally 15 minutes ago, so it has to be wrong. And that also like messed with her brain and then it took hours, you know,

for then somebody to come to the door. So in that whole time, she was in complete disbelief. It's just not possible. He's just texted me, you have it wrong. And then when the police came to the door, yeah, then that was another, yeah. It's like the initial heartbreak and then the like, wait, no, there's hope.

It's just not possible. And then the heartbreak again to follow. Yeah. It's gonna be hard. Yeah, I think my mom knew in her soul though, with those blood curdling screams, it was like her heart had been ripped out and we didn't have enough money to go down to see him, to cremate him essentially and whatnot.

So that was also a dark time as well because we couldn't be there. We were actually given to our friends, the Webbers funny enough, who ended up on the bachelor. Wait, Peter Webber? Yeah, Peter Webber. Yeah, Jack and Peter. And they became like our solace for that like week

while my mom went down and dealt with the you know passing stuff and Then she came down and the house was broken into everything was gone stolen like oh My mom just got it again and again and again and then Yeah, the only way that we even were able to, I think, fully understands when she came back, she had photos of him on the metal slab, and she showed us those photos on the Blackberry.

Yeah, never forget them photos either. Yeah, that sounds scarring. And I remember we were arguing, my siblings and I were arguing, and my mom, she was just like, you want something to argue about? Look at this. And it was so much pain in that time. Like, ugh.

Those photos. Do you feel like your mom had like anyone she could go to? No. It was just y'all. No one, yeah. And I think my mom has always felt that way in her life. You know, we don't have much family and my father's side is Jehovah Witness

and they like disowned him. So they wouldn't even come to the cremation. And I know that hurt my mom a lot, not being able to have any side of his family. Yeah, I bet. Yeah. Did you get a chance to say goodbye to your dad? No, no, no. We hadn't seen him in months.

We get that point. Yeah, he was just coming back. So that was, yeah. How have your family been able to heal over the years? Or if, I'm assuming they have. Yeah, I don't know that we ever really fully, will totally heal, but we try to honor his memory, you know, on his birthday, we'll write things on a balloon and then send them up. And I think we all

try in our own little ways. I made my jewelry because he always wanted a thorn empire and that was, and he never got to see that or us do any of that. So that's why I call it Thor dynasty because hopefully one day he'll you know get to see that and be like fuck yeah like you better get it. So yeah it's all like designed after Florida and family and my dad thank you. So I feel like he is I mean I feel like he's along I mean clearly he's like along the way the whole time you. I feel like he is. I mean, I feel like he's along. I mean, clearly he's like along the way the whole time. You know, it's like he was there in Carnegie Hall.

You know, like I feel like he's been in your back pocket this whole time since he passed, you know? Yeah. So it's really special that you get to like live on some like his dream. Yeah, exactly. So special. And keep that for generations to come.

When I have children and whatnot, obviously they'll never get to meet their grandpa. So I think having that, I got a fucking painting of a family photo of us hanging right when you walk into my house and it's fucking big. And these amazing artists did it for me and like they recaptured his smile so much. So I'm definitely like not letting him die again in any sort of way. That's so special.

Well, I know it's obviously not easy to share, but thank you for opening up about that. I like the f**k up my makeup. You did it. You're beautiful. But I used a primer. So this primer is going to come through for me right now. It's primer's gonna come through for me right now. Uh.

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Yeah. I mean, thank you for sharing and opening up about that. And, you know, I was just curious too, obviously we're very excited to just be sitting here with you and talking with you and having you open up with us, but like, you're also not someone who does this a lot and gives a lot of interviews. And, you know, I was just kind of curious,

like why now in terms of, you know, kind of your willingness to share a little bit more about yourself and open up and you know, we are very appreciative of that and excited to keep talking to you. But, you know, it's I think it's not lost with a lot of your fans, just how much you cherish your privacy and are reluctant to open up and share things like that. I think I have been an open book since I was 18 for so long. And it felt really mean and kind of evil when people would use those things against me and blame me for them. I've, you know, even when I had a face full of acne and I wouldn't wear makeup and I was popping it

on Snapchat and, you know, kind of going through the whole process and really trying to like be open about who I was. It was always like, oh, she has to be on heroin because look at her skin, it's so bad. Like, will she wash her face? She should dry soap kind of things. And like actual articles writing that, not even just comments, like articles writing

that kind of language. And when I came out about being molested growing up, I think that was another thing that really hurt when people used it against me to almost speak badly on my character of who I am now as a woman because this thing had happened to me. And when I had to put out my own nudes because I was being fucking threatened and then, you know, will be Goldberg and said that I had essentially kind of deserved it in some way because I had sent the photo

in the first place that I had even taken the photo. And you should be- She like flat out said it was your fault. Yeah, and I obviously got very upset because that was such a hard thing for me to do. And I remember I was on my book tour and I was about to do an interview and I was reading those texts

and I literally asked my manager, I was like, what the fuck do I do here? And I was like, at this point, it's just so embarrassing, he's gonna take it from me, he's gonna take these parts of my body and somebody's already done this once to me so i don't want them to do that again and so then it was like well if i do it then it's my decision and it's not yours even though it kind of still is your decision because i'm only doing it because of you bitch and so but at least it's mine it's

my stamp on it and people saying that i like was faking that to put it to head to like get attention that I just wanted to like, put out my body in that way and, and do this and fake this thing. And that fucking hurt again, I was just like, like, these are really personal, seriously, deeply rooted, like issues and things I've gone through. And to have it thrown up in your face so much of like you deserve it and this is what you are and you're that kind of woman that's what you deserve all of this was so hard at like fucking twenty nineteen two like mentally go through and i think some people think i'm like still the old me like the crazy rebellious bella and you're like. Some people think I'm like still the old me, like the crazy rebellious Bella.

And you're like, are you not fucking, like are you fucking, what is happening here? Do you not see what I was going through at those times? What other way would any normal person react? Like I'm still a teenager in some ways and it was just really, yeah, shitty. And so I felt like I could not be honest anymore. Why would I be honest with you when all you do

is throw it back in my face and blame me for it and call me disgusting for it? Thank God I also got to work with the FBI and put this son of a bitch away. And he did go away and now he's sitting in there for like eight years. So, and he did it to all these other people as well. So when the FBI saw that post, they immediately reached out and was like this is the same exact language

we know this guy has done it before and we have these other things and work with me to like Put him away I had to write write the statements as well for the judge and I had to read go through that process Again to write those statements and in my heart when they asked me to write it I was like is this gonna come out? And they were like, well, what do you mean? I was like, what if people post this statement? Like, again, they're gonna take my words

and how I feel and what this man took from me. And they're gonna like, fiend off of that. And that's fucking disgusting. So that was like so scary. And I just, I think I just decided, no, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not giving y'all nothing. When you act like that, why should I?

And yeah, so I think I was just like, nope. And now like I don't, I don't wanna not be myself because that's only doing myself a disservice and then everything that I go against they've won. So it's like either way I feel like sometimes I'm in a lose lose battle. I'm sure this interview will be even thrown up in my face like, Oh, well, she and this and oh crocodile tears or oh, she deserved it. Oh, she's too sexual. Look at her like, you know, just it's like, it's just so shitty to hear every day all

the time, I think. So I've been like, I'll just not speak, but I don't think it's fair to teach people not to speak because you're afraid of speaking and getting ridiculed. That doesn't seem like a win. We're releasing an episode by the time this comes out. And we're a little nervous about it. Natalie had a miscarriage a couple of weeks. Yeah. But I, you know, just hearing you speak, you know, it's like, it's, um, you know, yeah, it was tough, but like, we didn't know what to do is like, we wanted to share our experience. We can't, we do this for a living. And it was kind of like therapeutic for us just to, you know, we're just going to talk about it. And, uh, and, you know, we decided to put it out there knowing that like, you know,

our intention obviously was one, we wanted to memorialize our child and like, you know, hearing you talk about your dad, like you don't want to forget, you know, and like when you don't have a chance to meet your baby, it's harder to connect, you know, as a dad and it's even harder. And so, you know, and obviously we, you know, we've heard a lot of stories about it. And then, so we wanted to share knowing that like a lot of people, you know, it's like, they feel very alone

when it happens because no one really, you know, everyone's like, sorry, it happened. But like, oh, anyways, like, you know, it's like an awkward thing. It's like, they don't really relate to it, but you know, we know I'm offline, you know, because like, I don't really give a shit what people say and I've gotten much better. And like, I'm curious, you know, because like I don't really give a shit what people say and I've gotten much better.

And like what I'm curious, I wanted to ask you is because you're right, like the internet's an asshole. People are assholes, hurt people, hurt people. You've heard that phrase and that's just never gonna go away. All we can do as humans or people or just anyone in the public eye or just hell, anyone who's like has a phone,

is like get better at just like removing yourself and not listening to the noise and the disruption and just feeling good about like whatever it is you put out. I'm curious, like have you gotten better at that? Just like feeling good about whatever it is you're putting out there as a creator, as an artist and just say, fuck it, like your opinions, whoever you are, it's as a creator, as an artist, and just say, you know, fuck it. Like your opinions, whoever you are,

it's none of my goddamn business because like, you know, they're always gonna be assholes. Yeah, yeah. Well, on the creative side, yes. I'm about to go direct a movie that I wrote that's based on a true story. It's so important. I've put, you know, blood, sweat, and tears,

and so has everybody else. And that I'm, I think is like one of the things that I'll first really be so happy about. And on the other side, man, I just decided to escape social media on the Instagrams, in the Twitters. I was like, look at all these little tweets. At some point, you can't read your own shit

because you're like, oh, I'm gonna see one thing. And instead of focusing on all the amazing comments, you're going to focus on this one thing. And if they really poked you somewhere where you were sensitive, boom, they've got you for the rest of the day. And somebody that I don't even know is offending me. The audacity is how I feel. So I liked when Instagram was when it first started and you were post a photo of your foot and like your random food and like weird selfie and it became this my resume, my resume, my resume. Here's how whatever you think of me, here it is, right here. What do you think of me? Judge me now and move on to the next person to judge them and then go.

Same thing. It just keeps on going and I'm just so over it. I'm quirky, I'm ridiculous. I think I also stopped being myself in interviews, in social media as well. I'm quite a quirky person. I do a lot of different voices. I like hop in and out.

I'm very sarcastic and I think a part of me kind of like, that part of me kind of died. And people were wondering like like where is that part? Is that was that still you and I would always get judged for it? like oh she crazy like and that kind of stuff when you're just a silly person people like scrolling like this like oh She looks bad. Oh I didn't like that look why she like that's not I don't care to engage with those people anymore because I'm so sick of asking for you to like me.

So I'm so sick of that. I'm not gonna do it anymore. And that's what I feel. That's great. I mean, that's the best you can do. I like was kind of the same way you were of just like, why am I allowing strangers to like comment under my post of my family, of my life.

Like, why would I do? So I have had on the like restrictions of just people that I allow to like comment stuff, because it's like, why would I give this random fucking person the like opportunity to put their opinion? Exactly, you're not in high school anymore? Yeah, it's like, I don't have to read that shit. Why are you doing this now?

You don't deserve the right to comment under my shit. Like go get a fucking life. But I wanna like going back to all of these things that you had to endure in your life. I think we have a very similar childhood, you know? And I went through a lot of similar things that you did. And I think when you go through that at a really young age, you have a weird relationship with your body. And so I think that is probably why, like

the extra sting of this boyfriend at the time trying to like release all of these nudes of you. No, not a boyfriend and an actual like, what's it called? Oh, a hacker? A hacker. No, not a boyfriend, an actual, what's it called? Oh, a hacker? A hacker. Yes, not a boyfriend. Oh, fuck. No, a hacker. Someone hacked into your shit. Oh, I didn't even know that.

Oh, that's fucking crazy. That's fucking crazy. But I just wanna say, you sharing that side of you, I know you see the people being, the terrible things that people say, but when I tell you sitting beside you as someone who went through something similar, to hear that I'm not alone, I didn't go through it alone,

I don't have to go through it alone, that people like you will talk about your experience and you will see you on the other side of things is so inspirational. And it's something for us to hold on to and to be like there's hope you know like I won't be this person who's stuck in my ten-year-old body and reliving things that happened to me over and over again you know like look at this person this person is beautiful successful

creative like and and I think you're giving people hope and light and I just want to like thank you for being so open and honest about the things that you've been through because it's not easy. And it's a very alone feeling. And I'm so sorry you went through all of that. And I think that surviving it is like, people would say all the time,

oh, well, you were like this victim of sexual assault. And it's like, yeah, I definitely was a victim, but like I fucking survived it. And like, I'm here and it's like, it's made me this resilient, strong, fucking person. And like, now I wouldn't let a man like, like, I feel like that gave like going through that gave me the strength to be like, fuck you and fuck off. And like, I'm not this like naive little girl anymore who just like trusted anyone and everyone, you know, I feel like it just really gave me that strength and you being able to talk about it is just like, I think it's giving people more hope than tearing people, you know, like the people who want to tear

you down. Well, thank you so much for that. I was going to say the same to you for what happened to you guys and that you're being so brave and sharing it. And I think that that is going to help so many people and especially in the political climate that we're in is so important to share your piece and your journey with it. And I think that that will be really heartwarming

for a lot of people that have been through it and will feel like, thank God somebody's making it safe. Yeah, yeah. It's a fucking alone feeling to go through the things that we have gone through. And so it is, I think, to hear other people talk about their experiences, because it's not something you wanna talk about.

You don't wanna go publicly, and you don't wanna, like, the people in my life who had no idea, it's like, now they do, and now that's like, you know, I didn't ever want all these people to know that about my life. But I know that me talking about this miscarriage, it's like, I know that there's so many women

who go through that who are like, what the fuck? Like, am I the only part, you know, and they want something to connect to. And so I think like all of us being able to just talk about vulnerabilities and the stuff that we go through in life is really important. And so I'm just like really proud of you. Did you ever get a sincere apology from Whoopi?

Um, I think I'll next that question. Yeah. There was, there was a video sent from backstage. Yes. There was a video sent. Um, yes. was a video sent. Oh. Yes.

Like a cameo. Interesting. OK. Right. Like, and the next question. You're engaged. How is that going? That's like a rear transition. You're engaged. How's that going? That's a rear transition. You're engaged. No, but obviously we

love talking about relationships and love and you know, shit, I've got so many exes and stories and things like that, but like, you know, it all came to like me being able to meet my wife, you know, all the crazy, you know, heartbreaks and stories and some of it has been on TV and some of it's not. But you know, you're very happily engaged now and like, how do you feel like what you have with your fiance? How has that shaped you and what do you love best about your relationship with him? One of the things I love best is that we're always very, quite silly with one another

and that we're always able to make kind of a dark joke out of a dark situation that we might be in in life. And I think that that's that we really connect in our humor and in our silliness. I also love the way that he takes care of me. I always feel very safe. And that's a really hard thing, I think, for anybody to feel, especially women. It's very, it's like everywhere you look, there's just been murder everywhere. And it's, it, and, and not that

your partner has to give that to you because that's a very hard thing to give. You can't just make somebody feel safe. Like it's not just about what you're doing and what you're saying, it's about everything all at the same time. And yeah, I don't think I've ever felt safe with anybody that I've been with actually.

I felt more times that I had to make them feel safe in some situations and that not great. So I really love that he's able to do that quite effortlessly with me. I love that you say that. I mean, now that I say that to each other all the time, you know, it's, and I think clearly it's, I think what I've learned from my wife and my audience that safety

is probably the number one thing women are looking for. It's also, I think something men really appreciate too that they don't talk about too. It's just like, you know, when you, I mean, what is a serious relationship or a marriage, you know, an engagement, if not to like have someone in your life that you can actually truly be yourself and be safe and be that vulnerable person.

And I think, yeah, when I was younger, like I would have been in love and I had great girlfriends, but like, I was like, I don't know, you know, it's like, you know, at times I felt loved, but like, I also felt like we competed, you know, I felt like we were at each other's throats, you know, I felt judged, you know, or I felt like ashamed to say something or do something. And yeah judged, or I felt like ashamed to say something

or do something. And yeah, it's nice to be able to find someone where you can open up and you can make each other feel safe. And like you said, it's not something that comes very easily and that's something that happens over time. And it doesn't mean you don't have ups and downs and work through your own shit. But like, there's a, I think with Nally and I,

I'm curious if this is something that you relate to, but like, I feel like we both like, give a shit about our relationship. Like we wake up every day and like, I feel her effort to make us work, as much as I feel like I'm putting in the effort, you know? And I think that's a very unique feeling in a relationship that a lot of people just kind of take for granted. Like when you're younger, it was just more like,

oh my God, like we're made for each other. And like you meet in the first month's awesome and you like plan out the next 10 years of your life. And then like, you just like start dating and hating each other. But like, yeah, we're very, you know, like when we feel a disconnect, like we're very quick to like someone points that out, you know?

And that's something that I've never had in a relationship. And again, it doesn't mean we- when we feel a disconnect, like we're very quick to like someone points that out, you know? And that's something that I've never had in a relationship. And again, it doesn't mean we- Yeah, where then when you do it like that, you don't let it get out of hand for too long. And then you have more built up feelings. And then explode. Yeah, exactly.

And like every relationship, you know, we have our shit, you know, we work through shit, but like- Did you see that thing going around on Instagram that's like, you know, you're in a really great relationship if you're able to fart in front of your partner. Do you guys fart in front of each other? Nick definitely does, I don't. I never.

But he would never. He's somehow not allowed to fart for some reason. She's lying, I've never farted. I've never admitted to farting. He doesn't, he never admits to it. It's always like, what? Huh, what happened? He will never admit to it.

He also, he's just like not a fan of bathroom talk, you know, like he's not. It's a me thing. It's, yeah. He's like. Like I know, everyone boops, I get it. I understand. I'm not trying to pretend that doesn't happen,

but we don't have to embrace it. Like some people really. Do you and Mark share, like, do you have toilets that sit in front of each other and like you both. Like Meghan Trainor. Oh my God. Meghan Trainor. We have one toilet that we both use

when the other person's not in the room. I am quite bathroom shy and I put on the tap. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Or I mostly play music out of my phone. So I'll always bring my phone and I just start blasting rap music. And I think then he knows it's time.

Yeah. Maybe don't enter the room. Yeah, I like that. See, you know, it's like, you know, but you don't need to announce it. You don't need this, right? You don't need to know. Yeah, you can just know subconsciously, but you don't need to go there. You don't need this, right? You don't need to know. Yeah, you can just know subconsciously,

but you don't need to go there. Yeah, I like that. You're like, that's my sweet Bella. So we think the Instagram study's wrong then? Is that what we're saying? It's gotta be, I feel like it's more, who was talking about this? Maybe it was like, I saw a clip of Alex Earl

talking about how she was like, we don't even like pee in front of each other. Because like it will kill the sex. Like we won't be, if you know. Or you just, left and right. Yeah, so I was like, well, that's extreme. But that's also, I don't know. Maybe some people feel it will kill the sex drive.

What do you mean not in front of each other? Like as in they have to leave the entirety of the bathroom if you are going to the bathroom? What are you doing if you're in a hotel? You know, it's like go down to the lobby, have to pee. Right. Is that what they, is that what she means? I guess. I think so.

I think so. Oh, come on. Every time. Yeah. Listen, I think that's true. Yeah, I got a UTI already. He's so... You know, like when you're a kid, it's like, oh, go pee in the woods or something. It's not a big deal.

Like no kid is like taking a shit. I don't know that we were peeing in the woods. That wasn't the go-to. Me as boys, I don't know. I'm quite still scared when it comes to camping and whatnot to pee. I have this phobia that a spider or a snake will come up and camp often and, and hurt me down there and hurt me bad and forever scar me for the rest of my life.

For sure. Scary. Do you camp? Um, yes, yes. I have done quite a bit of camping. Yeah. Yeah. I, I have, do you have the. Do you have the she-wee?

The what? She-wee. The hoo-ha? It's like you can stand up and pee, I believe, for women. Give me an image. She-wee images. Yep. No. It's a funnel.

She-wee. Oh, I'm kinda digging that. Right? No, spiders climbing up your hoo-ha. Is that for camping? Yeah. That's wild. Isn't that crazy?

But then, so then when, what's the next step? After that step happens, what's the next step when you still have the shiwi? No, it's a funnel, so it comes out like a mint. But then it's still, right, it's still contaminated. Do you clean it, how do you clean it? With urine. Oh.

You're in the woods, you got the she-wee, it's done. I feel like you stick it in the ground, right? Oh! And you would just pick it up if you need it again. Am I right? Like a little stake in the ground. Wash it when you leave? And then when you like, you wash it.

I mean, you are camping, you're gonna get dirty. But then like, oh, I guess the dirt's not technically near the, I just don't like dirt anywhere in any, you know, um Near any sort of circumstance. How do you feel about how do you feel about sand? Are you the same with sand? Like you don't sand in the in the charcuterie is not cool the charcuterie board. Yes Sand in the charcuterie is not chill You wouldn't eat charcuterie with Sandra, would you? No, I would not.

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No, no, we were definitely dating and then she would be dating other people and I was dating a person at that time. And so it's open. Yeah. Yeah. Open, I would say. Yeah. OK. Well, that's also what we all did. Hang out together. It was and I think that freaks people out that we were that it wasn't like, oh, you brought around this person, this other person you're dating. No, we all hanging out together in the studio together, doing whatever together. And I think that made people go, oh.

And then- That's like a mini open. The guy that I was dating at that time, then he like ran with it and wanted to be, like he like publicly ran with it and wanted to, oh, I got these two baddies, sir. It just sounds like a guy who's in like two different situationships with two girls

and you all like are chill about it. No, yeah, she had different. Yeah, I was, I had mostly dated one, just one person, but I think she dated another girl and then men. Yeah, I think everybody was having fun. You know, we were at a, we were at a having fun time in your, in your 18, 19 years, you know, when you're just experiencing everything and everything is alive.

Yeah, glad I'm not back there again. I have you and Mark set a date. We have not set a date. We are making our first baby, our movie baby. Yes, once we are making our first baby, our movie baby. And yes, once we are done with that and through editing, so everything, because that's just not a moment you rush, you know, and it's not a moment to be, it's already gonna be stressful. And I'm already quite by the book on things,

being on time, doing things, being, you know. And so I will be a bride-dilla. I know myself and I will definitely be like, those flowers are not right. I swear to God. Otherwise, I would be. No, at least think so. Are you thinking big wedding, small wedding, a lope?

Like you think you're gonna go fairly big? Well, when, because we already have a wedding planner and whatnot and we have the venue. So I think when we had gone through that process and I saw Mark's guest list, it was, you know, he's quite a bit older than me. So he's made, he's had more time to make more friends. Yeah, we do.

How old is he? He is 43. Good, well, how old are you? Yeah, 27. Oh my God. Oh, we beat you guys. Oh yes? By like two, by one year, one and a half years. Oh, we beat you guys. Yeah, we beat you guys. Oh, yes? Oh. By like two, by one year, one half years.

One year. Oh, that's awesome. We gotta do a double day. We gotta do a double day. We can talk about movies we watched when we were growing up. It'll be great. Yes, yes. I just watched.

We can talk about how like young and hot we are. They can talk about their 80s, 1980s movies and stuff. Yeah, there are. The unfortunate thing with the older movies is that even though the movie itself is remastered, their trailers aren't remastered. And so every time we're watching the trailer and I'll mark my ear, but it's going to be much better than this, babe, because it's not going to be like this. You know, it's not like, okay,

because I can barely see the screen at this point. It's so blurry. It's very rainy. Yeah. I made her watch Farn away the other day with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. I thought she'd like it. You haven't seen it?

It was awful. I'm shocked you didn't like it. What was that other movie you made me watch that the dad? Oh, Meet Joe Black. I love that movie, she hates it. Meet Joe Black? Have you seen movie, she hates it. Meet Joe Black. Have you seen Mullaholand Drive?

No. You haven't seen it either? Mm-mm. Oh, okay. What is that? Okay, okay. Hmm. Yeah, that's a fun one, really.

Takes you on a roller coaster ride. Oh, boy. You hated it. Mark made you watch it. No, no, I love David Lynch. And actually, I love the same tones he loves. I love the same cameras, the dissolves. There's like, there's so much that I have already naturally so loved and seeing it in his work.

I'm like, oh, cause I'm a big David Lynch fan. I love him. And RIP so sad that he just passed away. Yeah. Like other than movies, are you guys, do you watch any reality TV? Like what? Oh, really? I finally got him on the Real Housewives of Potomac.

Oh, see we haven't gotten into that one. We're like stuck on Salt Lake City is our. Are you caught up? Yeah. Oh my God, yeah. What about the next reunion? I mean, the ladies are going at each other. Where do you stand on Lisa Barlow?

Or like, are you a Lisa girl? Or are you like a,, are you a Lisa girl? Or are you like a, like a bra win Whitney girl? Ooh, well, I'm loving the tequila company. We'll start with that. We eat tequila. Not that I drank tequila, but get it girl. And I think sometimes Lisa doesn't have,

well, we all know she doesn't like to say sorry. And that just can... Yeah. I think that that just comes back and bites her. In the Bronwyn situation, I can imagine that that's incredibly difficult, what they're going through, her family with Gwen, and my heart really goes out.

And I think that any way to deal with that situation, besides I love you, I'm sorry, I'm here for you, I'm sorry, I love you, I'm sorry, I'm here for you. Any other wording besides that... It's crazy. ...is I think it's just unhelpful. Even if you're trying to be helpful, it's not helpful. You cannot hear these things because it's such a painful,

sacred place to be commenting on. It's like what I love and hate about housewives all at the same time is like so many of the biggest fights can just be handled exactly how you just described, which is like, not my best moment. I definitely didn't mean it that way. I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly. And like instead it's like every fucking other excuse

in the book, like, well, a blogger fucking told me that you did this and like, I would, you know. But it would be boring if they all like. I admit it. I'm sorry. I love the way she speaks. You do? I love her accent, I think it's really funny.

And yeah. You should ask Mary on our team. I like that sometimes she's just like, I am done with this. And when she gets upset, it's shaking. When Meredith loses her mind, it's the best. Yeah, you should ask She's just like hi When Meredith loses her mind it's the best cuz it's like she might pop And I love Mary I've gotten there I've become very fond of Mary I wasn't so sure when and and with her opening up and whatnot. I very much appreciated that as a viewer Yes, I thought I thought okay Love and okay We look I'm absolutely I very much appreciated that as a viewer. Yes, I thought. Angie Kay? Love Angie Kay.

Angie Kay, love Angie Kay. She's iconic. I'm obsessed with her. She's just iconic. Everything she's, high body count hair was like, I mean, that was the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life. Yeah, they were, yeah.

I mean, when you go back and forth with somebody, I mean, I really do feel that the other woman, in my personal opinion, did start it first though because she said that thing. She showed up 100%. So it's like, oh, don't dish it out if you can't take it. And Brittany will not admit to anything. She will not, like if she would just be like,

yeah, I did say that, my bad. But then Bronwyn had to be like, you did, Brittany. You did, you said it to me, Brittany. Yeah, thank you Bronwyn for saying what happened there. Do you think Brittany deserves a snowflake? Let's see, I'm not sure we really got to know Brittany so much this season. I think we got to know more about her relationship.

Yeah, but she's so, she keeps the drama. You think she keeps the drama, really? I will be very sad if she has a lesser role next season. Oh yeah, I would be sad too. I want them to make her, so that we can actually get to know her. Because the what about me's are so good at the tables and the like, I have an announcement.

The I have an announcement stuff is very- I finally need to be honest. You guys. We had sex. When finally need to be honest. You guys. We had sex. When they did the mean text. Okay, but how about Lisa and Meredith both didn't have to do any mean text. They both coincidentally left the table

right before they had to. Lisa pretended, lied about her worst thing ever. And then Meredith being the lawyer that she is, like faked, got up and stormed off. Like none of this is okay. But what about when Brittany was like, okay, I have one. And hers was like so, I'd rather invite Bronwyn over,

married for tea or something. Mary was like, I agree. You should invite Bronwyn over. And I love Mary and Angie Kay's relationship that they have developed. I think that that is like a very sacred and I feel like a lot of pain from Mary's past and to see her immediately go at Angie

for feeling like for a moment that this wasn't gonna be the friendship she thought. And I love that they too did work through it and immediately, you know, the hand holding and the tears. I think Mary is so real. I think Whitney's real. I think Angie K is real. And I think sometimes Lisa like great TV.

I would very much miss her if for some reason she left, but like, I would love her to be more. You can't, you can be wrong. We're all wrong. We're all human. We all make mistakes. You can say something you shouldn't have said done something you shouldn't have done. Like it is literally just us. It's what we're, it's, we all make mistakes. You can say something you shouldn't have said, done something you shouldn't have done.

Like it is literally just us. It's what we're, it's our makeup, you know, it's inherent. So you can say sorry and be done with it. Totally. They seem to struggle. You have to watch Potomac. You need to watch Potomac. It's so good.

You're one of many people who have told us that. Is it almost over? Where are we at? It's already ended. This is Karen Hooger, the grand dom, who got arrested for the DUI. Yeah, but she's in rehab now. She's in rehab now, yeah.

But she was found guilty. So maybe we'll pick up next season. But wait, are you saying it's done as in they've canceled the show? No, no, no, no, no, for the season. Oh, thank God. Do they, have they done reunion? I was like, I'm on season seven or eight,

so I only have that one nine and then I'm done. I was about to be so upset if you told me that it was actually done done. You're one of many people have said we need to start watching Potomac. It might still be here. And why haven't you done it yet? Okay.

We have a long list of shows we're watching. We have every intention of getting to the show. What about Temptation Island? Oh my God, we have not. We haven't done that. Dive what? What? Okay, so they take real relationships

that they've been in. Everybody's at some type of crossroads. And these people are together a long time and they come to this island and they separate them in a house of singles. And then each week at a luxurious bonfire in the middle of the woods, they do a like 30 seconds that you can see

your other partner, what he's or she is doing on that part of the island, you get 30 seconds and they tell you we're not explaining before this clip or after. It's crazy. One person, he had a fool on threesome. I think it's in the first season and he cheated on her with a fool on threesome in the shower. She had to watch it.

I was like, this is mental warfare. Like this is so upsetting that you actually had to physically watch somebody you've been with nine years do that to you. I was like, this is horrible and I'm hooked. And give me more. Because like Temptation Island season one was like when I was in college and it's the same host.

Yeah, yeah. He's so funny. And they brought him, and they brought it? Yeah, yeah. He's so funny. And they brought him, and they brought it, yeah, Mark, what's his name? He has a fame, like he sounds like somebody, it's like Mark Wahlberg. He's Mark Wahlberg.

No, I think it actually is Mark Wahlberg. Yeah, it is. His name's Mark, yeah. And every time I see it, I'm Mark Wahlberg. It's Mark Wahlberg, but not Mark. No, it's Mark Wahlberg, yeah. It really is, it's Mark Wahlberg. Why hasn't it like, yeah.

We haven't got it, it hasn't gotten me. What's it on, CW? No, no, it is frisky. You wanna see frisky? Oh my God, have you seen baddies? No. Baddies, baddies, baddies shot o'clock. Come on guys, baddies shot o'clock.

What do you mean baddies? But he doesn't come back and recap with us sometimes. Yes, yes. I know, I think we should start a group text with us four, with Mark as well, and that we should constantly be putting just, like the only thing that the group text is for is just movies and TV recommendations.

So is he into reality TV with you? Like have you gotten him to sit down and watch it? I've gotten him into Potomac. Okay. He didn't like the other ones. In fact, I think they, a little bit drove him crazy and he would sit through two But once you get to six in a night, I think that he his brain it can it can no longer the baddies though

He will watch some episodes. It's a lot of yelling. Is it like bad girls club? Natalie nun took the idea of bad girls club and made her own baddies with Zeus Network Let me plumber and it's good for him making this network pop off and made her own baddies with Zeus Network, Lemmy Plummer. And it's good for him making this network pop off. It's just like, it's so hard to do this in general. And he did it. So good for you, good for everybody that was involved. I think Ray J, actually King Bach, who I'm friends with,

was also involved in the earlier part of Zeus. And yeah, she went and she, who, who, she a CEO, she a queen. No seriously, she is actually a full on baddie. I love Tinka Bella when you do watch it, if you go to the Caribbean season, she's introduced. And she's a baddie. I mean, everybody, they are standing on business

and you know, and I love that term. I, I love that term. Like, it's kind of, I think, another way, in my opinion of saying, like, I'm a man of my word. I don't personally love that term. Yeah. So I love standing on business. Like, if you mean what you say, and stand on it, stick to like to not be flip-flopping Over and around like a fucking fish. It's not cool. So yeah, I dig that That's my real obsession and yesterday I waited up all night and they put that episode on and then you clicked it and episode was gone and I stalked every

Instagram I stalked everybody's Instagram to see and everybody's Instagram to see, and everybody was also losing their minds, all the comments were losing their minds. Where is the new episode? How could you do this? I checked today and it's back. Thank God. It's back. I was told there's a story about three rings,

or three engagement rings. Is that my odd? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. What is the one that is about to knock me the fuck out currently on your finger? Which one is that? This is the final one. Okay. Yes. Yes I thought I crushed it. You did crush it Are you kidding? Look at that chunky bad boy Sorry, yeah, no, cute. Beautiful. Yeah, it's like a little sidekick

I'm so sorry, yeah, no, cute, beautiful. It's like a little sidekick. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. The original one that he got me, I loved it, but he, I guess, knows me so well that somewhere deep, deep, deep, deep down in there, some part of me was like, this isn't for me. But I loved it.

And he was like, no, we're gonna change it. And I was like, no, don't change it. It's the one you picked. Like, what are you? And he was like, no, no, I know you don't like it. And I was like, I'm telling you, I love it and he was like, no, we're gonna change it. And I was like, no, don't change it. It's the one you picked. Like, what are you... And he was like, no, no, I know you don't like it. And I was like, I'm telling you, I love it, baby. He's like, I know. I saw your face. I saw it in your eyes. And we're changing it. And then the next one wasn't right as well.

So he just kind of kept having me try rings on for like three weeks. Um, and, uh, and yeah, then we got this one made. What was your face when you saw that one? Yeah, well, it was a version of this, but all the way to the finger. And I love Tiffany's martini glass. I think that's super beautiful. And I wanted to double Tiffany's martini glass.

So this is a double martini glass that sits on, that the stone sits on. So that's why it's like so high above on my, I love seeing that space. Which is so cool. It's such a cool design, right? I can like see you through it. But, you know, it gets a lot more dirty because you have so much space. So oils. Like lotions and stuff. Yeah, I never take it off. So I never take it off. Only maybe like I'm playing a role obviously, but. You sleep in it?

Oh, yeah, of course. You shower in it? Uh-huh. Oh yeah. And then I popped out of stone. And now because, which I'm getting fixed. And when I'm showering, I'm like ripping my face up because it's like rough, but I refuse still to take it off.

I'm that kind of girl who is just like, even when you know you could make something easier on yourself, but you're too lazy to change it. Like you're like, no, I'm still going to do this. That's me. What, uh, what do you think's next for you and Mark and your future? And like, I guess what are your, sounds so like an interview question, like you're interviewing for a job, but like, you know, how do you see life unfolding for you in the next kind of chapter of your life?

Hopefully happiness. Let's start with that. Always happiness and getting closer, really learning more about each other and whatnot and each other's families. I'm a very family orientated person. So it's very important to me and definitely win the time as well that we might have a family. I think it's really important to get that a bit more of a stable ground, you could say.

And yeah, we're doing our first movie together. We've raised all the finance together and we've really, I would say like, usually, I think a huge testament is working together. I would like to, as I said, my father say a thorn empire one day. And if I'm going to have a partner, and especially for life, I want a partner that I can really work with. Because I love working. And it's one of the things that make me the literal happiness and in life. And so getting through this process with them and never not once, knock on wood, wanting to rip each other's hair out, I think has been such a beautiful experience.

There's been so many times where, you know, in the movie industry and you sign a contract and then this and then that, and then oh, that falls through, and this thing and this thing, and you're on this emotional rollercoaster, and I would say over the last year of making this movie and we shoot it coming up. So I'm talking about making it in the other sense of getting it together. There's been so

many tears. There's been a lot of moments where I just was like, you know, why, why, why, why? And this is so important to me. And it's become so important to him. And that's, that's so beautiful that he's like taken that on with me, because he didn't have to, you know, he he's a producer. Yes. But, you know, this is like a very specific thing. And I think it's just so endearing. And it brought us really close. I mean, I started the show long before I met. When I met her, she was a surgical technician and I never envisioned being able to work with her. But now that we are, it really is.

It's awesome, right? It's like you feel very lucky, you feel more like a team. Like you said, knock on wood, but we hopefully do a good job of not getting sick of each other, even though we spend all our time together. But like, yeah, it really helps you feel more connected and to like, just, you know,

she's always the first person I go to if I want to run something by an idea by her and just to know it's like her, it's like, it's just a great feeling. And not, I think very few couples are, even very few happy couples and successful couples aren't able to be able to work with their partner like you and Mark

and like I get to do with Natalie. And I feel very lucky and I can hear it when you describe that with relationship with Mark. It's a very cool thing. Yeah, I do feel very lucky as well. I can't really imagine it any other way except for in the past when it hasn't gone well. Yeah.

You know what it's like with other partners. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's really beautiful that you guys also get to do that together because it really, man, talk about going from having an okay day to an amazing day. And even when you're having a really shitty day, how important it is that your partner is there and can, you know, you're not always able to give 50-50 in a relationship and sometimes you can only give 15

and the other person has to make up the rest. And I think that that's so beautiful when that does happen. And I feel like it happens a lot. And especially when working, when you're so stressed out and whatnot. And so it's really great that you guys have each other. Yeah. And to like go, I mean, you're going through it together.

So like you're both, you know, it's not like you come home from work and you're like, let me tell you about my day. It's like, no, we experienced that day together. Like we know how the other person felt or how that went. You know? Yeah. And then like, you just, you know,

you both have your strengths and not necessarily weaknesses, but you play off each other. Just even, you know, Natalie being on the show, like even in this interview, it's just like this interview is different because I have my wife here with us. And like, you know, when we talk about, like we have a lot of women guests

and we talk about some sensitive issues, I always try my best to empathize, but like it's a lot easier having my wife here who is also a woman and they can understand. And it's just moments like that and really makes you appreciate when you have someone who really, that really feels like a partnership at that point.

And I'm sure there's been moments with you and Mark where he stepped up where you felt like you needed someone to step up for you and vice versa. And those are always really great moments. You spent some of your pivotal years with Zendaya. What is your relationship like today with her? It's good, yeah, yeah. I think we mostly text on birthdays and things like that.

When something good happens in the other person's life, we'll both shoot each other a text. I think the last time I saw her was her birthday party. But yeah, yeah. We live in different places too. Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, my best friend is in Georgia. So it's like, we don't, but I think just being able to like keep, it's like, you don't have to talk every day.

Yeah, pick up where you left off. But you just, yeah, it's like, there was no time has passed. All the way back. Yeah, that's so lovely. I'm so glad. Also, like Nellie said, it's like these transformative years in anyone's life. There's very few people who can relate

to certain experiences. Exactly what you went through. Yeah, 100%. So it's nice to be able to at least keep that bond. Yeah, we'll always have that bond. Even if it is here and there. Yeah. Bella, this has been- This has been lovely.

Lovely. Yeah, you guys are really, really amazing. I know that we did a little something before, but you are just so incredible. And yeah, it is so, so great to meet you. Thank you. You are a beautiful, brilliant person. And I am so glad that we had the honor

to get to know you in this way. I have the utmost respect for you. So thank you so much. Is there anything you wanted to put out, promote, share? Thorn Dynasty, bitch. Yeah, yeah, Thorn Dynasty. If you guys are liking it, I have a code as well. Thorn 20.

Thorn 20. There we go. 20% off. We'll put it in the show description too. Yeah, yeah, I'm wearing it. If anybody's digging some jewelry and likes jewelry, come peep it on Thorndynasty.com. There you go. Thanks for being so vulnerable and open and honest.

Thank you for letting me. That's always when the tears come on, it's always a, oh, here we go, kind of feeling, oh God. Well, thank you again and thank you guys for listening. I hope you enjoyed this episode. We'll see you back tomorrow.