The Viall Files - E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Nick finally gets to address the DM’s as Chanel Ayan joins for an incredible interview! She gets into Traitors, traveling with Will Smith, hot men, and more. Also, Lauren joins to give her perspective on the great Love Is Blind Dave and Lauren debate. Plus, we get into Karen Huger’s sentencing, White Lotus, Kate Hudson flirting with everyone, and more! You will definitely not want to miss it… “They killed me because they were jealous.” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Kikoff - Building credit can happen faster than you expect with Kikoff. Don’t wait! Must sign up via https://getkikoff.com/viall to activate offer. Nutrafol - Start your hair growth journey with Nutrafol. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VIALL Bombas - Head over to https://bombas.com/viall and use code viall for 20% off your first purchase. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (01:56) - Household Headlines (16:55) - RHOBH (28:05) - Lauren From Love Is Blind Interview (50:11) - Love Is Blind (56:19) - Ayan Interview (01:09:34) - Traitors (01:19:12) - Important Issue (01:28:31) - More Traitors (01:30:30) - Housewives (01:35:28) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @chanelayan @laurenmariaobrien @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @the_mare_bare @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell   

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Let's just like preview exactly what we got going on. First, shortly in a few minutes have Lauren from Love is Blind this season to basically help us clear up our great debate. And who did, she did listen to our debate. She did listen to our debate. So she does have a take on our debate. She hates Nick. Yeah, no. She does say she loves me.

Anyway, so that is coming up shortly, lots of good information from Lauren. And yeah, I'm excited for you guys to hear that. Then we have the very iconic Chanel Aion. I can't wait to ask her, is it Aion, are we calling her Aion or Chanel? Is it Aion, is it Chanel, I don't know. She obviously, shortly recently, on her way here,

literally on her way here, she was on a flight with the one and only Will Smith, posted a picture with him, as she often does, she gave her input and opinion on Mr. Smith himself. So very excited to talk to her about all things, Will Smith, traitors. Do you think he's been forgiven for slapping Chris Rocker now?

In general, by the public? Yeah. I don't think anyone gives a fuck really. He still is a band from the, he has a lifetime band from the Oscars, which is kind of- Well, I mean, as he should. Not really.

I did assault someone on stage. One of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. Oh, he said he was sorry. Well, thank God he said he was sorry. He slapped, I mean, listen, it's not okay, but like. Sometimes a comedian needs to get slapped. I don't think if you punch someone, you're like, you took him a lifetime ban from things. You don't think that the Oscar's like,

yeah, sure, Will Smith, we can trust you to come back and not assault any of our presenters for sure. Come on back. I think he learned his lesson, and I feel like that's the most, Well, sure, Will Smith, we can trust you to come back and not assault any of our presenters for sure. Come on back. I think he learned his lesson, and I feel like that's the most, that was the most interesting the Oscars has been in, I don't know how long.

I think the Oscars would do much better in ratings if it was also WWE SmackDown. For sure. Like, I wanna see Timothee Chalamet go up against the Brutalist guy. The winner gets to slap all the other people while being like, I just wanna shout out to all my nominees.

I want Club Chalamet to throw hands in the audience. Is he nominated for anything? Timothy? Yeah. He's nominated for everything. Oh, Club Chalamet has been. Clipped for what? He can sing as good as Bob Dylan,

which I guess I have picked. I think we need to ban biopics as far as part part of Oscar nominations. I agree. Did you see that people think Millie Bobby Brown is gonna be Britney Spears in her biopic? Cause she posted one pic of her blonde hair. With blonde hair.

On the balcony. I was like, Carla. This is Y2K stickers on. It's gonna be a no from me, dog. I don't think they can do someone from England to play Britney. I'm sure she has a great little Southern, but like, no, come on.

We just talked about last, on Tuesday, how brilliantly. That's true. Jason is playing Thomas Robin Hood. Speaking of White Lotus though, Chris Pratt is super into his brother-in-law's cock. They're not blood, so. They're not blood. Sometimes when people say things publicly.

He didn't say cock, he said dick. For some reason that word will always be jarring to me. He said that dick. But it wasn't a prosthetic, it was Patrick Schwarzenegger's real dick. Good for him. Yeah, he said, I know where my eyes went. And good for Abbey Champion, his fiance.

Was it big? It definitely was like. I mean, I saw it, I watched the episode. I reminded. I didn't pause and be like, oh wow. I was more focused on like. I watched it while you and be like oh wow. I was more focused on like you were at work I was more focused on like I wasn't taking being kind of into it and I don't know what's going on with these siblings Yeah, but he kind of do it. He was definitely he was having that's weird

I'm a little ash shot Mike white my whole like ancestral Mike white has said that this family, well, after the like inside the episode thing, Parker Posey was saying that Mike White had told her that this family was monkeys. It's representative monkeys and like physical aggression and stuff like that, which there's been a lot of monkeys in pop culture recently.

Did Mike White watch Chimp Crazy? I need to know if Mike White watched Chimp Crazy. Chimp Crazy, I loved that. Severance is the most watched series on Apple TV plus history. It might be one of the best shows ever created. Honestly, no, no, no. Mysterious and important.

No, have y'all started watching Paradise on Hulu? No, but I've heard about it. We watched it last night. We watched the first episode last night. I think it's gonna be like one of the best. I think it's gonna watched the first episode last night. I think it's gonna be one of the best, I think it's gonna, I think. First of all, it's not gonna be one of the best. It's gonna be fun and entertaining and,

I mean, who knows, I guess it could be. I mean, James Marsden is in it. But compared to Severance and the mind fuck that that is. But you don't think this is also a mind fuck? No, I think it's a- Of how it's like. I mean, spoiler alert, it's spoiled in the first episode. Like it's about like a potential like asteroid or like the world ending and like somehow.

They have to live under the ground in Colorado. They have to live underground and blah blah blah. So there's so much more of it. Like the sun is like a big light that's like pointing down and it's everything. It's giving adversity. Did you know there's a 3% chance that an asteroid is going to hit the earth

in like less than three years? And that used to be like a 1% chance. Not anymore, it changed? I heard that it changed. Is the asteroid kind of hit or not? I don't think we'll find out until it does. I don't know about this asteroid. It says that it's no longer gonna be hitting earth.

At least that's what my stepfather told me. Maybe he was just trying to make me calm down. I don't know. If an asteroid hits, we don't have to pay off our student loans. It was only 3%. So like a one in 40 chance or some 48. CBS News, Asteroid 2024 no longer poses significant threat to Earth in 2032. Oh, thank God.

Girl, that wasn't the next couple of years. What the fuck? Can we stop this conversation and get into Kate Hudson flirting with everybody? Yeah, I really want you guys' opinion on this. Kate Hudson has admitted that she flirts with everybody, but her fiance is okay with it. I'm the biggest flirt on the planet, so I think anybody who's ever been with me

is very aware I flirt with everybody. Girls, boys, thank God Danny is my partner. He can handle this. I met the right guy. I mean, if she met the right guy, then she met the right guy. I think it's definitely a unique thing for them. I think it's interesting conversation

because I think like me being from the South, it's very like, obviously people take being nice as flirting all the fucking time. If I acted the same way I act in the South here in LA, like it would be scary because men would be like, you know, in the South you go to the grocery store and you're talking to the bagger and they're like, oh my God, I love that shirt, you look handsome today,

yes sir, oh yes sir and I was there yesterday. You have a conversation, a little banter with someone, you make them laugh. If that happened in LA, they would follow you to your car. Yeah. Sure, it's all- Unless Trader Joe's. I also just think it's incredibly situational.

If you were doing that with some random person, whatever, if you were doing that with someone who like was six two, had a beard, a couple pats, more flannel. Sure, sure. I mean like maybe not, you know? No, and I think the difference is like Kate Hudson being like she's not trying to like take these people home or like fuck them or kiss them or like she's just like,

I think what Kate Hudson is saying is like she's nice and her way of nice is like taken as flirty. Okay, question though, is Kate Hudson in any way responsible, regardless of what she thinks is appropriate, like let's say it's a married person, someone in a relationship, man, woman, doesn't really matter, you know, should she be mindful of like how her quote unquote

flirtiness is received by any of these people she's flirting with, given who she is and her position? I'm sure she's also flirting with their wife, girlfriend, partner as well. Yeah. You know, I'm sure she's being nice to everybody. That's such a power move. You get mad that someone's flirting with her boyfriend

and then they start flirting with you too. And then there's huge difference, and I I know they're right a lot of people like will perceive niceness is flirting You know and it's definitely not flirting But there's also flirting that's straight-up flirting. No totally but is flirting like what's the line with like flirting as far as like? Unfaithfulness, I think if think if you have intentions of like wanting to do something, like if your intention is not, is like anything more than just being nice to someone. If your intention is to receive some type of validation

from this person, then it's completely inappropriate. If you're not thinking you're flirting, then it's not. But if you're just like, you're the kind of person that like everyone, you're just like naturally like charming and charismatic and flirty and give people that sort of attention, then that's just who you are. Sure, but flirts, and I've always been like a flirt,

there's an element of like, you want it back, you know? There's a banter, you know? And when I was just being nice, you know, if I might say, oh, you look great today, like it's a beautiful dress or that's a cool, I don't think, I don't say that's flirting, I'm just like commenting on the dress. If I say all that, will that look sexy on you?

Completely different. Yeah, if Kate Hudson is saying someone is looking sexy in the grocery store, like maybe. I wanna be in that grocery store. I would like to be called sexy by Kate Hudson. Well, Michaela Matthews from Mormon Wives is clapping back because, did we find out what the critics were saying. Yeah, so basically she had posted on Instagram

sharing, like announcing that she was pregnant and she was saying that she felt like this baby was like healing her. And she is the one who is suffering from this kind of skin condition that she's been battling for years, hasn't really been able to get under control. It's been really difficult for her.

She calls it a chronic illness. A chronic illness. It is a chronic illness. Yes, and certain comments, there were many comments on the post, some of them were very, very supportive, but there were some that one of them said, probably just needs more money on social media.

These YouTubers make a lot of money showing their pregnancies, clout babies. And so she clapped back to them. For whatever reason, people were so weird when I said that I hope this baby heals me, but I mean it when I say this baby has already brought me so much healing, both physically and mentally. I hate it every day being in my body and getting pregnant. I've come to appreciate my body and how hard it has worked the last couple of years to fight all the rashes, all the illness, and now to create life and bring our little baby into the world. As someone who's at a front row seat to my mom, having a handful of pregnancies and just like being lucky enough to be around women who have been pregnant, like

a pregnancy can be incredibly healing and therapeutic both physically and mentally. And like, I think it's just so fucking weird for people to criticize that, especially someone who really truly has been struggling with her chronic illness that she's been struggling with. And also there's a huge difference between people who talk about their family and share their experiences if they're online versus people who use their kid as props

and clearly are doing skits with their kids. If you're teaching your kid a TikTok dance or a trend on TikTok, like that's exploiting your children. Having your children be a part of your social media and just like showing your daily life of like your children. Is just a privacy choice. Yeah, it's just, but I think this is like, clearly she has talked about how she has hated her body,

her body like feels like it's betraying her Or whatever whatever and so to now be pregnant It is a sense of like wait I do love my body like it's growing a baby like and to like be able to have Appreciation for her body and love her body again is like totally healing. I totally see what she's talking about I mean people talk about all the time like, you know me myself having Childhood trauma and all this stuff and like trauma of just like how I was parented and stuff like that. It's like having River is like healing my inner child because I get to parent her the

way that like I wasn't and I get to give her the childhood that like I didn't have or whatever, you know? Natalie, I completely agree with you. Like I have definitely like struggled with certain things in my life and being pregnant and going through that whole thing can be incredibly healing for multiple reasons, emotionally, physically, and I just feel like, just in general, people need to mind their own business

when it comes to stuff like that. It's tough, because the internet is full of them. But anyways, sending love to Mikayla, because obviously what she's going through is that you know Dealing with a chronic skin problem is for anyone difficult and it sucks So sending her all the love and good health to her and her her child Well breaking news Karen Huger's sentence finally came out So if you remember Nick, this is the Grand Dom from Potomac who this whole season

She was like the truth will prevail the truth will prevail leave it up the courts. And she's the one who referred to herself as Thomas Jefferson's concubine. Yes. And the truth has been prevailed now. So she is sentenced to two years in prison with one year suspension. The decision means Karen will be behind bars for 12 months. Prosecutors citing Karen's three previous DUIs originally asked the judge for two years in prison with six months suspended for the reality star's latest arrest. And this is amidst her also saying like her lawyers tried to take the angle of her parents both passed away years previous. It was hard. So this is after the Karen's team also try to like lighten the load with like her going to rehab and them claiming that she lost her parents in the past year and it was hard for her.

And that kind of spiraled her into this cycle. But yeah, she's going two years in prison, so adding another. Two years? How many Bravo celebrities have gone to prison? Many. Jen Shaw. Jen Shaw.

Teresa Giudice. Monica Garcia, technically. There's a lot that have been arrested. So it's like. No, no, I'm prison. I don't mean arrested. I saw a list the other day and it's a long list. But it just, it depends on what you're considering prison. So like with this one, she was sentenced, no, I'm prison. I don't mean arrested. I saw a list the other day and it's a long list. But like it just, it depends on what you're considering

prison, so like with this one, she was sentenced. Prison. Well, like for her, she was sentenced to two years in prison, but it's one year suspension. So it's like, it depends on what you're- Like being fully incarcerated for any period of time. Karen Uygur will be fully incarcerated for one year. The other year, it's just a suspension, correct, Justin?

And so Teresa, Jen- It's just the two. Just the two that have served time in prison. Yeah. Well, Jen Shaw, Teresa, and now Karen. So, three. Yeah. That's wild.

Well, Wes Wilson did support kind of our claims about Lindsay Hubbard not really having a choice about next summer. Wes Wilson thinks there's no way Lindsay Hubbard will be back for Summer House season 10. He responded to the question by saying, there's no way, I don't know, unless they bring the baby. I don't think I can babysit.

I don't know how that works. Do you think this is more like a Wes Wilson opinion or do you feel like he has insider information? I think this is definitely a Wes Wilson opinion. Yeah, I think he always is giving a Wes Wilson opinion. Nobody expected you to babysit my guy. I don't think anyone gives Wes Wilson insider information, but I do think that it's like, I mean,

I had the same thought of like, how the hell is she gonna make this work? Yeah. Who in Summer House do you think you would trust to babysit Lindsay's baby? Sierra, she's a nurse. Yeah, Sierra would be the only one. I think Amanda.

Oh yeah, she's good with dogs. She could if she had to. Is Kyle there? Cause I don't know if his DJ set is gonna, like if he can DJ a lullaby. Yeah. Entire cast is kind of giving you baby. Yeah.

Paige is definitely giving you baby. Sierra takes care of people and I would trust her to take care of my baby. Sierra could crush it. Sierra would crush it, Paige would just be in bed on her phone as Sierra's babysitting. I feel like Paige would kind of be like using a wooden spoon to like kind of nudge the baby

if she had no function. Paige is hiring the nanny to watch the baby. Yes. Paige will put up funds. This thing has been crying. You should do something about it. Carl is like, I mentally and physically cannot do this. Well, he's not in the room.

It's Lindsay's baby. Yeah, that's not in the room. It's Lindsay's baby. Yeah, that's true. Real Housewives of Orange County is filming. Have you been seeing that? Like people are like taking photos of like the cast and stuff. Who cares? Uh, sorry. Let's go a little Beverly Hills before Chanel gets in.

Well, who does care is the friends of a lot of the OC cast members who are also on Beverly Hills. Speaker Chase Justin. Your girl was really on one last night. She was, but honestly I'm here with her. You still supported it? Really? I think if you're gonna provoke her,

then you have to be ready to have someone go low with you. Here's a question I have for all of you. Who is the most never wrong person in the cast of Beverly Hills Housewives? Every single one of them. As of now? Yeah, like the most. Both, hands down.

No, no, no. Oh. What I mean by who's the most, like in most. Hands down. No, no, no. Oh. What I mean by who's the most, like in their, in this person's opinion, the most like never wrong. Sutton. I don't know.

I mean, she has stiff competition. Erika Jayne screamed, I'm the victim. Erika Jayne defended her earrings still to this day. And she could not have been more wrong about that. Kyle, you know, every other episode, she's kind of like talking out of one side and doing another. I think they all have their moments.

And they have to all have their moments or else it is boring television. Yeah. But they really like, this particular cast, I feel like more than any other cast is like, really stick their heels in the ground. I mean, rarely do you get a housewife that is like, you know what, I was wrong.

It does really bother me that the women don't speak up in moments. I feel like it would make for such better television if like at that table when Sutton is saying like, yeah, our wallets don't match and like this and that. And all the women are kind of like, ooh, ooh, but no one wants to speak up and say anything and kind of like, you know, it's like you stand up

for like what's right and what's wrong and like none of these women have anything to fucking say. You're right. They sit in silence and they wait for their ITMs a little bit. All Erica did was you think you're bigger than her? Are you think you have more money? It's like asking these questions.

Yeah, it is kind of goading. But it's like even then where it's like, you all got silent and had like a sigh that happened unanimously across the table, just like, okay, that was just said. And then you have Garcelle somehow still kind of come back to defend Sutton. And I'm like, just let these two women work it out if that's what you guys are doing. But defending somebody in this situation, fool's errand.

Sutton seemed drunk to begin with. Well, can we start here? Doree was 100% provoking Sutton any chance she got. She ordered a water and she said, was that because of our conversation? 100%. That was fucked up. Doree came to fight.

Which they both did. She perpetuates this narrative consistently that she's a drunk. And you even have like, Faye being like, well, I have the same drinking habits. Morally corrupt Faye. Well, I mean, except that Sutton recently did an interview. But every housewife has done that interview where they say their drink order.

We know Doreen's carcass out. We know her order by hand of what she wants. There's a difference between order and Sutton. Routine. And Sutton, and I quote, she did an interview, and this is her response, I have a drinking regimen that I do, Sutton revealed. At around 10 a.m., I think that's okay

for your first cocktail of the day. And then I try to, it's just consistency through the day that I'm nicer. So she starts every day at 10 a.m. and then consistently drinks all day. How is that not a drinking problem? But I think the context is that a lot of housewives have similar drinking habits.

So they all have drinking problems. Well, I'm not saying they have problems, I'm saying Dorit is perpetuating the narrative that it is a problem, and it might not be a problem. Like everybody's drinking that way. Even Marisol says she has a screwdriver every time. She doesn't drink water, she drinks vodka. So it's like, you know, like a lot of them are,

but a lot of them are doing it, but it's Dorit saying you specifically sat in are drunk. And then it's even Kyle being like, she has this context of her dad having abuse issues, and like that's why it is triggering, but no one's acknowledging that. Yeah, I mean, they're just saying she's overreacting. She does seem to have kind of a problem and it's obviously triggering for her because I don't know, I don't know many people who are, who are heavy drinkers who appreciate anyone else saying anything. who appreciate anyone else saying anything. So, I don't know, I thought Doree was the savage

and I really love, and if you go as low as she did, like that whole line about throwing out, like basically, you know, Doree's going through a divorce right now, clearly she is not, has the same financial means as some of her peers, and throwing that in her face, especially, that whole episode opened up with, again, Sutton, you know, we now know that Sutton gets any, what,

around what, three, how many? 300,000? After taxes a month. And she's like, and obviously maybe joking with Jennifer Tilly talking about, like, she's looking for a billionaire, like, as if like it's never enough. But like, that line basically suggests that, like,

she marries for money, and then like, you know, knowing that's how she accumulated her wealth and then she's throwing that in Dorit's face as if like that was some sort of accomplishment or that she's better than Dorit or that Dorit doesn't have a place to like speak up or have an opinion in front of Sutton because she's not as like her ex-husband isn't as rich as her ex-husband. I mean, it's. I didn't think it was going low that comment, but also I think the context of like,

she is consistently poking Sutton, that I'm like, you know what, if you're gonna poke the bear, the bear is gonna like bark back, you know? So it's like... But who started the bark? It's gone back so far, but can anyone really say who started it at this point?

I mean... Go back to the OG days when Sutton is like, let the mouse go, Doreet. Like Doreet's always been like going after Sutton, I think out of like love, trying to like understand her, but it's like, Sutton's telling you, stop poking me. Also I was gonna say too, is that I is like, let the mouse go, Dorit. Like Dorit's always been like going after Sutton. I think out of like love trying to like understand her, but it's like Sutton's telling you stop poking me. That's what I was going to say too is that I'm like, I think a lot of people give a little too much credit where like I love Dorit, but it's like, I don't think Dorit is like super

malicious or like, I just think that she says things and maybe doesn't think about how it's going to affect somebody or like the question of like the context. She just says things. So I'm like, I understand that she can be offensive, but even then she sat there across from Sutton and apologized being like, I am so sorry, I would love to understand why, but you're not even going to take that apology. And what did Sutton do? Not take the apology. Was that genuine though? I don't think she was going to take the apology, but like her apology wasn't genuine. I loved what she was like, okay, let's try. I thought it was so fucking awesome. If someone did that to you, you would be like, girl.

No, of course, like listen, they clearly are not, I'm not saying that Dorit was like pleasant and nice and like the bigger person here. She wasn't at all. I just kind of loved the way she fought a little bit better than Sutton. And I will say that like going back to last season, other than Kyle and now Boz,

the rest of this group, they're fucking mean to Dorit. They fucking bully her and mock her and talk behind her back, and they're just fucking cruel to her. And if you're Dorit and you're just like, fuck these people, they're constantly minimizing me and condescending me and talking down to me. It is hard for me to see that Sutton and Garcelle.

And Kyle technically in this scenario. Kyle sometimes are the ones being picked on in this group because it just, Dereet finally has an ally in Bose. You know what's interesting, I thought about this, is before Sutton and Garcelle and Crystal were the odd ones out, it was the Fox Four, which was Lisa Renna, Erika Jayne, Kyle Richards, and Doree. But now that we lost Lisa, Erika had her rough point.

It's like, they used to be the mean girls, the popular girls of Beverly Hills, according to audience members. Now that that's broken up, it's like, we see Garcel and Sutton as like the ones that are like picking on other people, but it's like, no, it's just that the ones that were picking on others now no longer have the power, you know

I'm a little confused by this ongoing Moe and Kyle separation like I'm just like get divorced at this point or not. I don't fucking care. But like I thought this was last year's storyline I don't know honestly. Yeah I honestly that the scene came up and I was like, wait, did Peacock all of a sudden start playing left? I was like, sometimes they put on the wrong episode or something, I was like, what? What's going on?

They've been separated for a while, but the weird thing is that it's not so much even about the fact that Mauricio's seeing other people. It's like the scandal is that he called paparazzi on himself at an airport. Which is interesting. And suddenly Moe planted the story to get back at Kyle for. The War of Roses.

They're on good terms. Are they? According to Kyle and Mo, not according to Sutton, I guess. Was Mauricio not hugging Kyle from crying like two episodes ago? Yeah, I don't know. I'll say one thing about Mo and Kyle, they really seem like despite whatever they're going through,

they're not vindictive with each other. No. It doesn't feel that way. I don't think they are. Oh, well up next, she's here. Chanel Ayaan is about to join us. This year, there's nothing holding you back from loving your hair again.

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if you've been keeping up with commentary, but we had a great debate on Tuesday about your and Dave's situation. But we're so thankful and so glad that you're with us today, because obviously a lot of our discussion debate was based off of things we didn't know and just kind of what we watched and things like that.

So just, did you listen to that conversation? I did. Yeah, I'm a big fan of you guys. I've been listening to you guys for a while, and then I was listening yesterday as I was getting ready and I was like screaming at my phone hearing Natalie like Defend me and I was like that is my girl Well, thank you for saying it thank you for listening but yeah, I mean what what were your thoughts and feelings about our discussion

Yeah I mean I think that they were all so valid and I was thinking about how I'm sure there are so many couples and people out there having this exact conversation and like seeing these perspectives. And honestly, I remember thinking those same perspectives at the time too, when we were going through it, like I was having such a hard time knowing my truth and then like seeing how it was playing out. And I tried so hard to do so much perspective taking and you'd like see that a little bit where I'm like, this is fair.

Like that would suck to get your phone back and have people say things about your new fiance. And then you have to figure out who's right and who's wrong and what's going on. And that wasn't even my argument about it. My argument was like, put me in the room with them. Like they're having all of these conversations that I'm not part of.

And they have these like pieces of evidence that are not true. Just like, let me speak to them, and that wasn't happening. So that was where most of my frustration was coming from, and I feel that now watching you back. I know the frustration also of just knowing something is true, but there's just no way for you to prove anything. So you're just like, there's nothing for me to do, but that's just not true.

Him being so hell-bent on you spending the night with him before you left, and it was like your girlfriends were even like, no, she was with do, but like that's just not true. Like him being so hell bent on you like spending the night with him before you left. And it was like your girlfriends were even like, no, she was with us. And he's just like, I don't know what to believe. I was screaming at the TV. What is the truth or your truth?

I mean, let's just say what is the truth as you see it, so to speak. Yeah. Well, and you'll like see this play out a little bit more, but I was not with him the weekend before I left. I saw him like a week before. It really was a very like to the, how do I say this, it was a friends with benefits situation. It started where we were like maybe there could be a romantic connection there but then passing conversations are happening for months and like he knew that I was having that. And so he was like, we can keep things casual. It honestly felt like best of both worlds

for both of us at the time, because like he was dating other people too. He was going on dates. I remember seeing his picture on like, are we dating the same guy? People were setting up dates with him. So we were both, I felt like things were very clear that we were not romantically interested in each other.

So were you two having conversations about you potentially going on this show while you guys were hanging out occasionally? Yeah, we did talk about it a ton, mainly because we weren't really sitting there having a lot of conversations, but it definitely came up. Were you ever wondering if this was a smart decision,

so to speak, based off of the fact that you might go on the show. Obviously, you have every right to do whatever the fuck you want outside of the show. I'm sure you are, like you said, a fan of the show, you've watched the show. I'm sure you've seen drama and fights about past actions and what could come up. I imagine when you were going through the casting process,

like most people, it's kinda like, first you don't even think you're gonna get casted. And then if you get casted, you're thinking, probably show up, nothing will happen. You're certainly not expecting to make a connection. You're certainly not expecting to get engaged. So I get all that. Did it ever cross your mind that like,

ooh, maybe like this is a little messy choice given like what you were potentially willing to say yes to if given the opportunity? Yes and no. I remember thinking with this guy, like, okay, I'm having these conversations to potentially go on a show where I could get married. Do I like this guy enough to,

because here is this connection that I have in one way. Do I like this guy enough to say, fuck is this connection that I have in one way. Do I like this guy enough to say, fuck the show, I'm going to pursue things with her or with him? I remember being like, no, I don't like him enough to do that, to like make that sacrifice and not go on this experience. And in terms of, again, we had come off of,

I think when we were filming, we were watching the season with Trevor and his girlfriend. And I remember I was like kind of freaking out in the moment and being like, oh my God, is this how the world is gonna see me now that this is all playing out? But again, at the time I'm basing my perspective on what my narrative was and like my truth with this guy.

And so I just never in a million years thought that this would be part of the story at all. Gotcha. What would you have loved to see Dave do differently in that moment? Just letting me be part of the conversation with his friends that were chirping his ear about it. I just wanted to talk to them.

I wanted to compare their stories. Do you know why they refused? Was it just like not wanting to get involved in the show or being on camera or do you get any inkling as to why they were? Or was it Dave being like, I'm not allowing my friends? I truly think that his friends and his sister were basing the decisions on their involvement or not on what Dave was telling them.

You think Dave was in the driver's seat here? Mm-hmm, I do. Okay, all right, all right, okay. Interesting. Have you seen, I mean, I'm sure you have, but your ex is, not even ex, what are we calling him? Mm-hmm, I do. Okay, all right, all right, okay. Interesting. Have you seen, I mean, I'm sure you have, but your ex is, not even ex, what are we calling him? Your friend, your ex friend.

I'll be really nice, yeah. Your ex friend's Photoshop pictures of him in the Love is Blind cast, I like- That was very embarrassing for him. It was embarrassing and also, like, I remember being like, this really proves my point. Like, you are helping me with this story here. I was like, I rest my case.

But yeah, like you look crazy. Why are you, you're not on this show. Why are you trying to act like you are on this show? Like that does scream a little delusional to me. So it would be hard for me. And obviously I guess what Dave didn't see any of this stuff during filming or anything like that. I mean, I know your friends were kind of saying to him,

like he was DMing us or texting us saying like, should we blow up this wedding? Like love is blind, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Which would scream to me like maybe this guy isn't as trustworthy as some people think. He knows Dave's people. They have like a mutual friend, very Minnesota. They have like a mutual friend.

So they knew of each other. I'm from Milwaukee, I get it. As you're gathering. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Wow, okay. That's wild. When the next batch comes out,

we'll get some resolution on whatever happens between the two of you guys. Between Dave and I? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you'll see that kind of continue to play out. Did you feel in that moment, uh, that he was just trying to find a way out of the marriage? I do. Like, I, yes, that definitely came up, but I think I might've even said that to him at one point.

Like, there are a lot of outs you can take, and you'll see him, or you have seen him try to take outs, where he has conversations about his sister, and there's some other stuff that comes up that I'm like, are you just trying to find the out that sticks the most right now? And obviously this guy was, I think, the biggest one. So yeah, I did have that at that time. I don't know if I fully listened to my gut as much as I should have on it in the moment. Were there other signs from Dave that suggested that he was looking for an out in general or was it mostly based off of this situation? There are a couple other things that come up. Like you'll see some other things

that I think makes Dave question if we should be getting married or not. And I don't think that they have anything to do with me and more to do with where his head was at. At the time in which this drama happened, how all in were you as far as marriage goes? You know, or like, I guess my question is, is like, hey, I'm trying to figure out with this process,

like, are some people like, fuck it, I'm engaged, and we're gonna get married unless something bad happens, or is it we got engaged and like let's, you know, we have four weeks to figure out whether we're going to get married or not. That was definitely like, I mean, going into this experience, obviously you're hopeful for what could come, but like, I just have never, you see me at one point say, I've never felt this like connected to someone so quickly.

And so I surprised myself how invested I got with him and with this experience. And you see me like fight for it really hard. And so I did see marriage. I remember thinking like, okay, we'll get married, we'll break up or we'll not get married, but we'll stay together. And all of those at the time felt like potential next steps for us.

But yeah, marriage was definitely on the table for sure for me. Watching it back that whole in the kitchen where you're kind of cooking, preparing for the friends and this kind of all explodes watching it back did you have any like regrets of what you wish you would have said or wouldn't have said? Honestly no because I think looking back like I tried I tried to explain things in so many different ways and tried to really understand his perspective and then like speak to that.

I think at that point there was nothing I could have said or done differently to have Dave see it. I will say, I feel like the fact that he couldn't, you being so vulnerable and saying like, I'm feeling really disconnected from you, can you please stay here tonight? And him saying no, I think was the biggest sign of like this man should not be your husband.

Yeah, yeah. And I, you like that has been pretty jarring to watch back and it happens too when he meets my friends and I get emotional and there's like not a lot of comfort happening. And I felt that in the moment and it's really sad to watch it back and feel that again. It's interesting.

Cause I completely agree with Nellie with that statement. But you know, if I'm still trying to like empathize with this whole situation, I think two things can be true at the same time. I can understand Dave having a hard time processing this rumor, because that's what it is, rumor. Which has maybe some truth to it,

but obviously it's coming from someone who obviously has an alternative agenda and things like that. But to Nally's point, regardless of what the truth is, Dave demonstrated basically an inability to cope while struggling with his own emotions and needing to be there for his partner who's also struggling.

And he was basically saying, I need to be alone so that I can figure this out, and regardless of what you're going through, like, not my problem, because my problem is you. It was like my needs come first, sorry. Yeah, correct. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I remember thinking, too, like,

your friends are giving you this whole different narrative, and every time you talk to them, you get, like like more angry at me or more confused about the situation. So if you and I are supposed to be a team, why are we continuing to go back to those people and have the same conversations that are not productive at all?

Especially without you there to be like, that's not true. Exactly. Did you feel any type of way about his comments regarding Molly or feelings towards Molly outside of the show, or do you feel like that was maybe dramatized a little bit for TV? I think it was a little more dramatized

than it felt in the moment. And like Molly and I are friends, and we've talked since about conversations that they've had. So I knew that, obviously they knew that they had a connection and I knew that he was validating her as well as me. And so watching it back, I wasn't too surprised. I kind of had a feeling that that was the story.

Random question, but going back to your first night on the honeymoon vacation, whatever we call that in Honduras, you talked about getting like a bikini wax and you're like, I can't work out or have sex for 24 hours. Like I'm really bummed. And they kind of made the cutting of it, made it seem like you were saying you're really bummed that you can't work out or have sex for 24 hours, like I'm really bummed. And they kind of made the cutting of it, made it seem like you were saying you're really bummed that you can't have sex. Is that what you were referring to? Or are you referring to like not being able to work out?

Okay, that edit shocked me because that's not what I was saying. I was telling him that I got a wax and then I had a spin class scheduled for that night. And they were telling me that you can't work out, you can't have sex, you can't do any of these things. And I was so bummed because I hadn't worked out in like two weeks and my jaw was on the floor.

I was like, I don't talk like that. I honestly, it read that way of just like, that's not what, yeah, that's definitely not what she said. You're so bummed you can't get some dick. Yeah. I'm like, in what world would I have said that? Oh my God. I'm glad there were having people that messaged me

and they were like, this editing looked a little wonky. And I'm like, thank you. Yeah. I know Natalie, obviously in our great debate the other day used Dave's interest in other people's sex life as kind of a justification for like Dave, not taking sex seriously, but I didn't see it that way. I kind of see it as him just, again,

I think a lot of people in these atmospheres are very curious about what other people are doing. There's a lot of confusion. I also think just because, you know, you have a one night stand doesn't mean sex means nothing to you ever in general. It's just like, I think it's situational basis, but how did you see Dave's line of questioning to his peers as it relates to your relationship?

I mean, I think in terms of him asking other people, like that clip of scenes, I remember thinking like, one thing Dave is gonna do is be himself. And you see him say, I was just genuinely curious and he just wanted to talk to people about it. I don't know, it didn't surprise me that he was having those conversations because he speaks his mind and doesn't really filter through

questions. Did you ever tell Dave that despite you know him thinking they're jokes that sometimes they're not funny? I mean the way some of his jokes especially in the pods were portrayed it comes off much more serious than it felt in the moment. Like it was very lighthearted. He would always follow it up with like a laugh or like, and again, I know that if he said anything, it's absolutely insane. There'd be a line to cross, but like it felt very bantery in the moment.

It like, yeah, it's hard to watch back and have people see it very differently. I mean, listen, reality TV is not a safe space for sarcasm or any type of like humor in general because it definitely can and often is used against you. So yeah, I definitely watch those moments with a careful eye, so to speak. Going back to that moment in the kitchen, I kind of stood on this like he was platforming information that wasn't true on your end on national television to kind of like, in my opinion,

shame you for like your choices in your sex life. Did you feel that way or is that me just like projecting my feelings? I did. And I remember like I said, when we were having this conversation, I was like, I remember like I said, I, when we were having this conversation, I was like, I feel crazy right now. Like I feel like I'm, my communication is not getting through and

I feel like a slut. And like I hadn't really felt that before. Like again, I just, you see me say I've never had to defend my character like this. Like I don't understand why this thing is like the end all be all for me and the kind of person I am right now. So yeah, I remember saying like, my nonna watches this show, my boss watches this show, and we are just airing out my sexual history for the world. Yeah. It's a tough situation given the,

just like what the show is about, you know? And it's some, it's hard to avoid some of these conversations without, you know. But also, obviously, every second isn't filmed. And so it's like, to me, it's like if he genuinely cared about you and thought about like, oh, maybe there's like some falseness to this, like I should ask her when cameras aren't around so that she doesn't feel

like I'm like putting her sex life on blast. But he didn't choose to do that. He definitely wasn't overly considerate and empathetic to how this might affect you, that is clear. Right, right, right. I was curious about your perspective about some of the other people in relationships, but was Madison as messy and toxic

as she came across on the show? I don't know. It's hard to answer because I was so focused Is Madison is messy and toxic as she came across on the show? I don't know. It's hard to answer because I was so focused on my own shit. I'm focused on Dave. There's a little bit of stuff going on with Molly. I talked about this before too,

but I was talking to Mason up until like a couple of days towards the end too and I had no idea that he was having any of these conversations with Meg or Madison. So I was shocked to see it all come to a head. I think you kind of see Meg and Madison handle things differently and like approach it differently. But I wouldn't say I left.

Like I remember leaving and people were like, how were the girls? Were they all insanely toxic? And I'm like, no, they were just, everyone was just trying their best. And that looks different for different people. Watching it back, do you feel like Madison got screwed over? Cause I really quite liked his relationship with Meg.

Again, don't know if this is editing or whatever, but it sure seemed like Madison sabotaged that relationship because she didn't get her way. Yeah, I'm gonna be so honest with you guys. I skipped through a lot of those. Fair enough. I was watching mine, and I skipped through a lot of those. Sure enough. I was watching mine and I wanted to make sure that I understood the story.

Respect, honestly. But I didn't fully get what was going on in the lounge at the time and I still don't fully get it. Like, honestly, you guys have probably a better perspective on it than I do. We have an opinion, but you know, like we just, you know, sometimes context matters and sometimes context is lost in these episodes.

So we were definitely curious. When you met everyone, was there anybody that you were surprised that you talked to in the pods, but you were surprised by like meeting them physically, like what their appearance was versus their voice? Oh, like the guys? Yeah. Yeah, was there anyone who like you met in person, you're like, fuck? Oh, like the guys? Yeah. Yeah, was there anyone who like you met in person

and you're like, fuck, damn, they're definitely my type. Or like, that's not what I thought he looked like or? It is funny to think back because like, I'm sure as a viewer, you're probably like, okay, I wonder how they think the other person looks, but I really tried to not spend too much time putting people in these like physical boxes. I was shocked, Joey had long hair.

I had no idea that that's what he looked like. I remember, I'm trying to think about anyone else. There wasn't anyone I was super surprised by and there wasn't anyone that I was like, oh damn, like I made a mistake. Like I was- Well they honestly all look the same, so it's not- Exactly, copy paste.

Copy paste. What did you think of the whole Ben and Sarah? Did you watch that kind of where he had an ex from four years pop up? Yeah, that to use Nick's words, I remember at the time thinking two things can be true. Ben could have not been a good partner to women in the past.

And this girl on TikTok also really wants her 15 minutes if they even want some cloud. Like I remember really seeing both of those pieces and I don't know, it was hard to watch Sarah be conflicted on how to look at things. And I think she did such a good job of saying, I'm not gonna dismiss her and I trust you, but like I'm remembering this

or I'm not like dismissing this information. Well, after getting to know Ben, I don't know how much did get to know him, but do you feel like maybe these accusations from the past have any truth to them or, or not? I definitely think there's a reason that there are these conversations happening with many women, not just that one TikTok girl. With Ben? There's, are there's other, are there other?

Yeah. There's others. Well, I think like if you, and again, this is another like, don't go watch that TikTok and like give her attention, but like there are people having conversations about that and validating her in ways. So she's getting support under her post being like, me too, girl, type of thing.

Well, more so when that was happening at the time, like there were comments in that video or like people saying things to her like, oh yeah, I also knew Ben or I had this experience. There were some of those conversations. And what was the general accusation that he just basically ghosted her? Yeah.

There was also YouTube cards. Yeah, did you see that? Left the hookups. Yeah. Oh, what? He was leaving his like YouTube business cards where he like was a YouTuber. He would hook up with girls and leave it behind.

I wonder how many subscribers he got. It's a tough look. Tough, yeah. That's tough. Do you think he got the platinum thing? I sure hope so. A plaque? Yeah.

I wonder what his YouTube videos were of. I mean, the internet's red and ink. Yeah. He's giving these to women he's had sex with, so like what is his content? Mm-hmm. Hmm, interesting. Interesting. I'm even more intrigued now.

Any other questions for Lauren before we let her go? Lauren, is there anything else you feel like you want to clear up, whether it's like something you saw that you felt wasn't portrayed as you remembered or? Or maybe just like before the next batch comes out giving us any a heads up or just like something to look for, you know, as we consume these next batch of episodes. I don't think that there's anything like to clear up.

I do think that they're doing a good job of like telling our story in the way that it felt in the moment and there's like a lot of frustration with that. Unfortunately, I don't think the frustration is done after this week, there'll be a little bit more to come there. Great.

Okay. But like, let me cook. Do you think, do you think we will want to have you back on this show to unpack your entire story with Dave? Maybe in person sitting on this couch. Like, cause we want cause we want the drama. I mean, I personally think you'll want to have me comment back in the kitchen.

Yes, of course. But it's me right tooting my own horn. Why wouldn't we? Lauren, thank you so much for taking the time. I know that you carved some out of your very busy work schedule. So thank you, we appreciate it. And we look forward to watching

the rest of your journey on home. Team Lauren forever. I love you guys. Thank you so much. Love you too. All right take care. We'll see you soon. Bye. Well that's very interesting. So she hooked up with him a week before filming? She didn't say she hooked up she said she saw him. She didn't say that she hooked up. I mean what else do you do with your friend? Well actually on the show she said they got ice cream. That was the last time she saw him with it. Maybe it was the kind of like... Sometimes we got ice cream before and after.

Okay, but maybe it was a, I'm going on the show, we're not gonna see each other anymore ice cream. Yeah, like I leave on Tuesday to go find you. A little salty tears and tears, salted caramel. If they had a goodbye, then that makes it a little bit more than just ice cream. I don't know. You don't need to say goodbye to your fuck buddy.

There's a season of Vanderpump Rules where Jax has a girlfriend and he invites her to pizza and then she thinks they're carving a date and he's like, I just, you know, you're going to college. I just don't see myself going with you. You're going to college? She's like going to grad school or something. Oh, god damn.

Oh, thank god. Thank god. Thank god. Math isn't nothing. Poor, poor girl. But like, would we be surprised? I wouldn't have been surprised, but I'm just surprised it was not.

I will say, Lauren and Jack Stahler do not have much in common. No. I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you guys still feel the way. She didn't change my opinion. I mean, she confirmed mine. She definitely confirmed mine

of that she felt slut-shamed. She felt judged. But I'm not defending Dave. I'm defending sex. Well, thank God. But I think that's a, I'm defending sex. Well thank God. But I think that's a different argument. That was the argument I was trying to make while you guys were all yelling at me

that I should start defending Dave. Well someone told me I need a muzzle, so I won't be yelling any longer. You know, a lot of people who do this show, as someone who's been on these types of shows, nothing I find more kind of frustrating or just kind of shows that you haven't done these shows when you know When people say you know what you signed up for or you signed up for this because I don't think Dave Lauren and anyone

In this cast has any clue truly what they signed up for you know They got the logline of like what the show is about they've seen previous season But until you're in that fucking crazy universe you really don't know and to that end I give Lauren grace for making the decisions that she did, but I also appreciate that Dave was struggling with questioning how serious she was. I think Nellie made a great point

that regardless of who thought what or when, this issue revealed Dave's kind of shortcomings as a potential future partner. And I think more than anything that was telling because like regardless of what happened, two people who are like weeks away from marriage, he clearly is someone who is incapable of like, allowing his partner to also be in a space that he was in

and working through it together, rather completely disconnecting and then emotionally abandoning his partner. Which I do feel like is a huge red flag in general in relationships. Like if your partner can't put their pride aside and just be in the same room as you. Yeah, work through it together.

Just talk through it. Even if you're like, let's platform this, let's talk about it tomorrow, but like we'll just watch a movie, we'll get dinner, like it'll be fun. He could even do that. He was like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Yeah, that was it.

There's Lester to sleep alone in this apartment that's not even hers. Yeah, I feel like my biggest issue with Dave was not that he was frustrated with Lauren having someone before the show, like less of the sex thing and more of just, he didn't believe her when she told him. It's not like she was being cagey.

It very much presented itself as like, she is telling the truth from her perspective and this is someone, this is a firsthand account of what happens, her friends are corroborating this and he is just completely not seeing her. It definitely wasn't like the Ben. Ben of it all when it's confronted by Sarah, you know, was like, I don't remember, I don't know.

The story's changing. I saw it a while ago. I know, but I think just like the little bit of Caginess that he did have just of like already seeing the video and not showing it to her or bringing it up to her, letting her find it on her own. And then being like, yeah, I already blocked her. I forgot what happened.

Like that's a little Cagy and would give Sarah reason to be like, I don't her. I forgot what happened. Like that's a little cagey and would give Sarah reason to be like, I don't know. I'm kind of struggling with believing you. But Lauren was like, here it all is. Even then Sarah saw Ben and was like, I'm taking what you're saying into consideration while also like taking what this girl is saying into consideration.

And Dave just like was not taking Lauren's words into consideration. Is what it read to me as. I mean Sarah. That may be true, but I think this rumor caught him off guard and I think whether right or wrong, I think he didn't expect this to come out and he had an expectation, that expectation wasn't met

and in any situation, when you have an expectation it's not met, it fucks you up and you have a hard time getting back to that kind of. You know what I bet? I bet Dave is probably, my perception of him is probably correct and he is listening to the show to only get what he should be saying from you.

He's like, no, no, no, no, no, I was hard because of the rumor. Yeah. I really messed with my brain. He's looking at the corner of the Zoom screen. He's taking notes for the reunion. Did we find out anymore about Ben in this YouTube? The YouTube is not linked in his Instagram.

There's no YouTube under his full name. I found his YouTube channel, but it's completely wiped. It exists. It does exist. That motherfucker got right on it. Apparently this man would leave his YouTube card for women after he slept with them. What is a YouTube card? Like he made a business card with right on it. As soon as- Apparently this man would leave his YouTube card for women after he slept with them. What is a YouTube card? Like he made a business card with YouTube on it,

his face and like his app so you can go follow him. It didn't say YouTube, it said YouTuber. Yes. I'm gonna make a theory. That's fucking brutal if it's true. Sports commentating, he was a baseball player. I brought this up on Pop not too long ago where I was like, oh look, I saw this, it's wild.

I don't know who the cast member is cause this came out before the show released. That's almost as brutal as Sutton was last night's episode, we'll get into that later. Your girl was on one, bro. Yeah. My wallet. I prepared. That was fucking wild. Well up next we have the iconic Chanel Ion with us

to get into all sorts of topics, especially her little interaction with Will Smith that she's in the same flight with him on the way here to the show. And she wasn't afraid to say hi. Nope. She's not afraid of anything. She's fearless.

She is Taylor Swift fearless. What did she say? I was full of myself? I don't know. Yeah. Anyways, we'll talk about that with her and more. Who's ready to level up their mental fitness and win the seconds of the day? Well at least that's my goal.

Join me, Mark Champagne, on Behind a Human, a podcast where I dive into the stories and practices of extraordinary individuals. From billionaires to Olympians and cultural icons like Tony Hawk, each episode unveils the pathways and the mental fitness strategies that propel them to the top. Now available on all major podcast platforms. Here's Thriving Minds. All right. First question.

Is it Chanel or is it Ayan? So my real name is Ayan, which means lucky. Cause my mom had nine girls and one boy. Nine girls, nine girls and one boy. Yeah. So it's 11, but my father has like 30 something kids. My father fucked everybody in the village. Oh my God.

Yeah. So that's normal in my village, right? So then Chanel, I gave it to myself because I watched a movie about Chanel and her life story was basically a little bit like mine where like her dad lived in the same town but had another family but never cared about them. So I kind of was like, oh, that's so cool. So I just named my name Chanel Lyon. So it stuck.

Love that. I wish I had the confidence to just like rename myself sometimes. Why would you? You look good. By the way, I bullied your husband one time. Oh my gosh. He hasn't slept since finding his message.

I didn't know. He's been awake every single night. Thankfully I didn't read my DM. And I just saw him. Why did you bully me? I'll tell you first. He hasn't slept since finding his message. He's been awake every single night. Thankfully I didn't read my DM. Why did you bully me? I'll tell you first. I just saw him walk down to say hi and literally I was like, he's the most good looking man I have ever seen in America.

By the way, my husband is very hot. He's from Idaho. That's coming. He's from Idaho. That means a lot coming from you. I don't feel like you say things just to be nice. No, no, no, no. You see, I left you to read my stuff that I said about you to 2017,

because I'm a real bitch. So I wanted you to see what I felt at that moment. But, uh, yeah. Why did I say that to you? I'm not going to lie. I don't remember, but, but the truth is, the truth is I was in Idaho and I was bored in my family's cabin and you came on TV. Okay.

And I was just like, okay, he's a, he's young and you are, oh, you are with my favorite human being that said I was the most nicest person he's ever met in his life beside his wife, Wells. Yeah. Yes. I love him so much. So anyways, he's nicer met in his life beside his wife, Wells. Wells. Yeah, yes, I love him so much. So anyways. He's nicer than me. Yes, he's such a kind soul,

but we'll get to know each other. I'll decide later. But so far I feel like you're great. Thank you. Yes, honestly. I have a hard candy shell, but I'm soft in the middle. You can tell. You really can tell.

Your eyes is kind. Yes. Okay, when he loves you, he loves you. I can tell. And your wife is beautiful by the way. If you got me on your side, I'm a good ally. Really? I'm a bad enemy.

Really? And like you, I feel like, and I don't really know you that well, but I just don't have the time for bullshit. Same, I really have no time because I feel like life is so short. And also I think because the way I grew up, it's like, I grew up in a very small,

um, village. Okay. Nobody has left my village except my family. Okay. So it's like you, and I grew up in a very abusive home and I grew up with a single mom, so I saw a lot of things. So I have no time for bullshit or bad energy. You get what you see.

If I like you, you will know. If I don't like you, you will know immediately. I'm very outspoken. Are you like that? Yeah, I think so. Love that. I think so. Yes. Have you ever, other than like, you know,

people you see on TV or online, have you ever been wrong about someone you met in person about like how you thought they were? Yes. And I actually, I like Karen Huga. I know something's happening with her today. Yeah, she's going to fail. But when I first met her at BravoCon,

because I watched her and I was like, oh my God, you know, she's a very strong woman, very opinionated. And when I met her, she was such a soft, soft person, very kind, very welcoming, you know, whatever she's going through right now, it's really hard to see where she is. And I wish her nothing but the best in life. And, um, and I think she has time to process things that she's going through and come out in a better way. Yeah, we definitely wish her the best.

I mean, you know, obviously alcohol is a terrible drug and it can do terrible things. And it's a sickness for people who are addicted to it. And I don't know if that's what's going on with her, but she seems like she's struggled with consumption from time to time. So hopefully she definitely, you know, gets whatever help she needs.

I don't think there's alcohol in jail. So I think it's a good thing that she will like, you know, be better. I wish her nothing but the best. Have you been able to talk to her at all? No, so she actually reached out to me, to me long time ago. She wanted to visit Dubai with her daughter,

who's beautiful, love her, made her in BravoCon. So she asked me about Dubai and I was hoping she would come. But like I said, like I really, she's a really nice human being, you know, apart from when you see on TV and you see like, okay, these people are crazy, but she's actually really down to earth. She's very open. She's very loving. So with that, I just feel like that's one of them.

Uh, Nini Licks. Oh, love her. Okay. Like a really good friend now. Cause when you see people on TV, you're like, oh my them, Nini Licks. Love her. Okay, like a really good friend now. Cause when you see people on TV, you're like, oh my God, they're so tough, Kenya Moore. You know, and you're like, oh wow, they're actually like really girls, girls, you know?

So yeah, yeah. And with you, we'll see them more. We keep going. We'll see. I feel like people- We'll see, we'll see, we'll see. I do like surprising people. I love that too.

So you grew up in Kenya? Yes, I grew up in Kenya until I was 18. And then I met my husband from Boise, Idaho. How did you meet him? I met him in a restaurant and he told me he was American. And immediately I was like, I'm gonna marry him. Cause I wanted his passport. You know?

Yeah. So he was in Kenya? So he was in Kenya visiting and I was like, I saw him, he was so hot. So the first time I ever saw a white person, I was nine years old in my village. So I didn't know white people existed. And the first time I watched a movie was a Van Damme movie. And he was so hot. Yeah. Yeah.

He was so good looking with muscles and everything. So when I met my husband, I'll send you the picture when I met my husband. Okay. And he literally looked like him and I was like, Oh, He was so good looking with muscles and everything. So when I met my husband, I'll send you the picture when I met my husband. Okay. And he literally looked like him and I was just like, wow, where are you from? He goes, I'm American. I was like, Ooh, darling, you know, I'm doing it to go to America.

He became hotter and hotter because I don't believe in people marrying for love. Okay. I think that you should marry for, cause love comes later. Okay. Cause when I first met my husband, I'm not going to say like, Oh my God, I was in love immediately, but I married 26 years. Cause when you fall in love immediately, I'm like, I love this person immediately. I feel like it's more like a lust than you fall in love.

But also because I grew up really in a bad home. So for me, I wanted a good life because I saw my mom struggling a lot. So I always wanted to have the best. Okay. We're still married 26 years. Okay. Yeah. Happily married.

We have a gorgeous son who's 18 going to college. So yeah. You have an 18 year old son? Yeah. Damn. Thank you. Are you good? Right?

Yeah, you know. Thank you. It's black don't crack. I don't know how old you are. I don't know how old you are. I'm 50. And if you're telling me you're 50? No. Yeah.

Are you sure? Yeah, I did a test in my show. They said I was 50 years old. This happened on Dubai last season, right? Yes, yes. But it's just easy. It's like I do a lot of things that I saw my culture people do that's cheap.

To like what? To give us some tips. So literally, you know turmeric? Yeah. So I just put turmeric and honey once a week on my face because it removes in inflammation, it makes your skin glowing and it's just like literally costing nothing. You have the best skin I've ever seen in my life.

It's turmeric and honey. We're going to love each other. Yeah. I love that. You're cool. I know. So it's turmeric and honey. Yeah. I just put turmeric and honey. Yeah, just put turmeric and honey.

But you have gorgeous skin. Well, no seriously. You have great skin. Thank you, thank you. But I would love to have your kind of skin. So it's just, it's turmeric and honey. I just want to see Naly walking around with honey all over her face.

I will be, I will. Yeah, that's it. Like I just do that and I try to drink a lot of water. And also like, it's very important to, do you talk about sex in your podcast? Oh, you can say whatever you want. Oh yeah,, it's very important to, do you talk about sex in your podcast? Oh, you can say whatever you want. Oh yeah, it's a very important to fuck. Like it's so good for your body, for your mind, for your health. So that helps a lot. You know what I mean?

How many times a week do you and yours have sex? Oh, we don't have a schedule. Like I'm not going to lie. It's like when it happens, it happens. When you're on a heat, you just... When you're on heat. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah. Overlatable. So, Will Smith. You just. When you're on heat. Yeah. No, for sure. Yeah. Oh, relatable. Yeah. So, Will Smith. Will Smith.

Oh my God. Was that crazy? Babes. How did you approach him? So, so actually, this is what happened. I was in first class. Okay. And Maria told me, Oh my God, did you see Will Smith just came into the plane?

And I was like, really? And he goes, yeah, but he locked his cabinet. So it's 15 and hours flight, 15 and a half hours flight. And his cabinet was next to mine. So I didn't sleep on the plane because I was waiting for him to wake up. So I can say hello, take pictures, ask questions, because I have questions. Okay. I have deep questions that I need to know because I'm a nosy bitch.

So I was keep looking at his, and then he's left for 10 hours. And then the next five hours he woke up and he went to take shower. Okay. So it went, cause they show up in the first class. So I was waiting and then he passed and he waved at me. I was like, okay, we're going to be friends. We're going to talk. So by the time I went to talk to him, I know his son, Jayden, because my son models

and we were together in London. So that was easy saying, Hey, I know your son, how are you doing? And I was like, I love your son, how are you doing? And I was like, I love the Pursuit of Happiness, my favorite movie, I made my son watch like 10 times. And then we talked about traitors. I asked him about men in black and he was laughing. He was so good.

Did you ask anything about the slap at the Oscars? No, no, because I didn't ask him about that. But I feel like that was a planned situation because there's a lot of illuminati stuff in here in Hollywood. It's my first time in Hollywood, by the way. Oh yeah. Is it your first time? Yeah, first time. And my husband was born here, but I've never been, because they live in Idaho. So usually I just fly through the airport and go to Idaho. So I've never really like

seen LA. Like this is my first time. And you guys have a lot going on. People live on the streets. Where. Where I'm staying, I... It's not perfect. No, why? We're humans and we should, like, it's really so sad. And I don't know, they're like frozen. We don't have that in Dubai. You don't?

No, not at all. You'd never see that. I mean, also in Africa, I'm not gonna lie. You know, in America, they like to do these movies, like, oh, in Africa, people are starving. There's no food, there's no this. It's all persona. I mean, there are some places that are not gonna lie, you know, in America, they like to do these movies like, oh, in Africa, people are starving. There's no food, there's no this, it's all persona. I mean, there are some places that are not like that,

but we have a lot of wealthy people in Africa. But even when I go home, I don't get to see that. So I was a bit shocked yesterday. Yeah. That's right in your face here. Yeah. Yeah, I was really like sad about it, yeah. What are some of the rules in Dubai

that obviously we don't have here in America? So in Dubai, usually like, if you, like you can't live in Dubai if you cannot afford to live in Dubai. Okay. Like you just cannot live in Dubai. So that- So it's all rich people.

No, it's not all rich people. It's everybody with a job, everybody. Okay. Because you need to get visa to live there. You have to do your medical, you have to have a, like I said, job, so you have to have that. It's very important. You have to have medical insurance to live in Dubai.

So there's so many rules that you have to have to live there. So for example, if you lose your job, it's very tough because it's a very expensive city, you know? You have to leave. And can your job be like remote, you know, like for example, yeah, if I moved to Dubai and still did this show and, you know, had my team here, they would be like, cool, as long as you're making money. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's a lot of money in Dubai. People make a lot of money in Dubai. You said your husband is from Idaho. So how did you end up in Dubai? Oh, with my husband. So when I married my husband when I was 18, for opportunities, kid, so make it clear is for opportunities. You know, because I don't feel like I don't think like women should should marry somebody in struggle. You know what I mean? I feel like women should marry somebody that can take care of them.

Okay. Be the bride winner. If that's in my culture, maybe it's different. I come from a culture that men take care of their wives and children. The South is like that too. I'm from the South and it's similar to that. Yeah. Oh cool.

I've never been. I want to go. Savannah, Georgia. Beautiful. That's Atlanta, right? Close. Like three hours away. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Cool. Yeah. I love people. I love how they speak. I love the accent, everything. Yeah. Yeah. So what was the question again? I made you to do. How did you end up in Dubai? Oh yeah.

So then when I married my husband, we moved to Brazil and I was going to marry my cousin. Okay. My cousin was very good looking. There was no problem with me not marrying my cousin. It's part of my culture. And then when I met my husband, I was like, Oh my God, he literally reminds me of Vandam. So I was like, like, this is my dream.

You know, I want to marry him. I want to get out of my village. I want to have better opportunities in life. So we moved to Brazil, got married in Brazil. And then from Brazil, we moved to Dubai. And then I went to Idaho and then I didn't know that I'd. So I thought America is a lay in the movies in New York. Yeah.

Like big houses, like my husband's family had a big house. Okay. But like, you see a lot of people when I moved to Idaho, literally 20 something years, I couldn't find black people. So I was like, there was no black people in Idaho. Like when I found one, I was so excited. We became best friends. Like we're still I was so excited. We became best friends. Like we're still friends till today. Like we became best friends.

I was like, Oh my God. You know, but it was so cute because I was so young. Everybody was very friendly in Idaho. They are very welcoming. So that's how I ended up in. Yeah. See, I got confused. Dubai.

Okay. Why do you feel like they voted you off on traders or killed you? Jealousy. Honestly, it was very, it was jealousy. Like you can see like Carol and did an interview and said that I was funny, whether I was on camera or off camera. Okay. And Bob, the drag queen, actually, I love him. The moment I saw him, I was like obsessed. He's so tall, right? And he's funny too, you know, and I, and we were having fun with everybody, but I could just feel honestly, every five seconds, he's like, you're so funny.

You're really, really funny. You were competition. Everybody likes you. And, and everybody likes me because when everybody died, I'm not, I'm not kidding you. Most of the cast reached out to say hi, saying that they missed me when I left. Cause it was a bit boring when I left, cause I was making them have fun, you know? And I really worked hard to stay, you know, because at one point when we did the

ro-ro on the boat, I thought I was going to die because I didn't understand what's going on. So Wells, my bestie for life was helping me to understand the game because, because, uh, I got the show four days before I arrived and they don't show traitors in Dubai. Okay. So I saw clips of Fedra. So I never watched the whole entire show. Right. So I remember I messaged Andy and I was like, Andy, by the way, I just got traitors.

He goes, I know. And I was like, but I've never watched the show. He goes, what do you mean? He goes, what do you mean? He goes, what do you mean? I'm like, he's like, you have to watch the show. I'm like, I'm already in Scotland. I just landed in Scotland because, because when I was reached out and they called me like, do you want to do traitors?

I was like, yes, I'm excited because I saw clips of Ferris. She's iconic. Yes. Hate the bitch. Love the bitch. You know? Yeah. But so, so it was like, so she was iconic, right?

So I was like, yeah, I want to do it. So when I got to the house, I was like, Wells, we need to be careful. The dead man is going to kill us. Wells is like, who is the dead man? I'm like the dead man that's going to come at night when we go to sleep. He's going to kill us. And he was like, Oh my God, Ayan, there's no dead man here. I'm like, no, we die. Okay. We die, you know? So the dead man will murder us. And he was like, Oh my God, I am, there's no dead money here. I'm like, no, we die. Okay. So the dead man will murder us. So when we came from Roarobot, right,

I was like, Oh my God, I did not know I was going to die. So I was really crazy. So we were in this room, right. And I was like to everybody was, I think it was, I don't remember exactly. I think it was Wells, Dylan, Derek, Danielle. I don't know if Bob the Bracken saw it. Maybe I don't know, but there was a group of people. So I went to them. Guys, seriously, I cannot die. Okay.

I worked harder than a prostitute in that castle. I was like, have you guys ever seen an African boobs in your life? Like, I'm sure you've seen on TV, but you've never seen a real one. Okay. So I just show them my boobs to everybody. Okay. Which is crazy because I'm married, but I have very good boobs. That's how I got my husband because of my boobs.

They're 12 o'clock, like literally they're standing on a breastfed for years. So, so I was there, right? And I was like, have you guys seen the, so I showed them my boobs and then I didn't die. And I was like, great, my boobs what? Who specifically? I mean, group of them. She said, Dill, Daryl, Danielle. Yeah, it was a group.

What gentleman having, Yeah, no one has spoken about it. It really is gentleman. Yeah, I know, I love them. I made really good friends there. So what was their reaction? Were they doing things like this? No, because they were just laughing because I'm crazy naturally.

You know? And I didn't want to die. Was it a flash or did you like let it marinate? No, I just shot them. For how long? Maybe I did a bit of bouncing, but they did see it. They did definitely see the boobs., but they did see it. They did definitely see the boobs.

Yeah, they did. And they literally said, I know for a fact, they all told me my boobs was great. They killed me because they were jealous. Yeah. The traitors killed you overnight. Yes. But, but the traitors didn't want to kill me.

So they, I know the story what happened. Okay. Cause I was mad as fuck. Right. And I knew that Danielle and, uh, and Bob were traitors before I died, which they didn't air to show it. Because when I went in, I didn't know it, but my instincts are very, very good. So I could feel like Bob kept on telling me, you're so funny. You're so funny.

Everybody loves you, but he would ignore me all day and treat me a little bit like shit. And I was like, okay, whatever. So I became friends with Wells, a lot. Wells was like my friend in the house. Dylan was my very good friend. Brittany was my very good friend. Danielle was my friend because Dylan made me be friends with her. And of course I'm friends with Dolores, Robin, you know what I mean?

Like I know the guys, I know Dolores for years, you know? So when I died, I knew immediately it was Bob. But then Rob told me, because I messaged Rob, who thinks probably I'm a psychopath. And I'm okay with Rob thinking that because when he died, I messaged him every other day. Out of nowhere, just like you, I'll be like, why did you kill me? To Rob. Oh, I, you really have to watch it. I'm like, yeah, you know, I really love you. I'm like, that's not the point. Three days later, I'm like, Rob, why did you kill me? Did he ever give you an answer?

He told me I didn't want to kill you. And I do know that he didn't want to kill me because I watched it. But I know for a fact, because I'm a nosy person and I needed to find out what happened. Bob came in and it was like this. Stood there immediately say, I am has to die here and after and forever. She's got to go. You know, he was so insistent and you know, they shot two seconds of it, but the traitors told me he was so insistent about me dying that they had no choice. They gave up, but Caroline didn't want to kill me.

Rob didn't want to kill me. Rob didn't want to kill me. Daniela was supposed to be my girl. You know, I mean, honestly, fuck her because I was closer to what than anyone else in the traitors. So Bob was, Bob was just like, she's got to go. She's got to go. But the good thing happened, which they didn't show. I went to wealth and said to wealth, we don't trust Bob the drag queen.

And was like, yeah, we don't. Okay. That was before we went to the counter table. And then when we, when they killed my friend, okay, I was in pain. I was in pain. I cried so much. I was so sad because Wells is such a kind hearted human being. When I tell you he was there for me, he was really there for me.

Even Dylan was there for me a he was really there for me. Even Dylan was there for me a lot. Okay. And Robin. So when I died, when, when Wells died, I went and I told Dylan and Robin that a hundred percent Bob is, is a trader. So I was dry. I was in a car with Bob and Wes. Oh fuck.

I hate Wes too. Because Wes made me run for him. You know, in the thing. All right. Uh, because Wes made me run for him. You know, in the thing. All right. So nobody wanted to give Wes the gold. Okay. So Wes, I felt like, you know what?

He looks like a serial killer because he has bolt headed with the big red red thing. So that's why I asked him if he's on TikTok because I saw some crime show that looked a little bit like him. Okay. So I was like, okay, are you on TikTok? He goes, no. So I don't know if he's still on TikTok. Actually, I think I asked him recently.

He's still not on TikTok, but then I gave him all my coins and then he said, I'll give you the shield. So I was like, great. I'm safe. The boob saved me. Yeah. And now my Kenyan running skills just saved me. So I'm not going to die.

Are you fast? No, no, never run for any money, any money in my life, including my husband. If he goes to me, go to the kitchen. I'm like, bruh, walk. So I was running for wealth like crazy, picking up stuff and then oh fucking Tom Sanderwald. I, you know, you had to hit these things for the gold to come down. So I was hitting it, hitting it. My gold came down and this grown ass man ran and grabbed my gold and ran away with it. And I was like, you fucking cheater. Tom stole it?

Yes. He stole my gold. Very Tom's Hannibal. He stole my gold. Oh my God. So I was so mad about it. And I was like, okay, he's just a cheater. Even when the game he cheated on a girl.

Okay. And I was like, and I never ran before. Okay. So I said to Wells, which it didn't air. I said, Wells, I have never run for nobody in my life. Okay. I'm a fucking supermodel. Okay.

And he, I'm running for you. You better give me that shield. He's like, I'll give it to you. Okay. Never fucking gave it to me because if he gave me, I would have been saved. Okay. And so I went to him and I said, Hey, do you want to give me the shield that you promised me?

He's like, yeah, we'll talk about it. And I never had to. Oh, you know, you know it to know right there. Yeah, exactly. And I'm the one that literally ran for him. Right. Yeah. You know, so that was fucked up.

So fuck you bitch. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. So, but did you ever talk to Tom Sandoval about stealing your gold? No, because I died. So I never had a chance.

You didn't DM him and say fuck you, bitch? No, no, no. He's not really on my radar. Yeah. Not really interested. Yeah. Yeah. We see that you're friends with Sam.

Yes. I saw him here. He was here. Yeah. So cute. Because I tried to ask him so many questions about Britney in the house and he literally would not answer. So the fact that I saw he opened up here, I really liked that. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I really liked that because I try to get everything because I'm a conspiracy theorist. Okay. So some people

are like, maybe the Britney is not the Britney dancing. There's an AI, you know? So sometimes I'm like looking into it, is it really the AI? Cause I'm a conspiracy theorist naturally. But so I was wanting to know more about it, you know? And I was asking, cause I love Britney. Like I said, I love Britney. I love everything about that girl.

But he wouldn't say anything. So it was nice to hear him talk about it here. You are very open about this like forced genital mutilation. Can you talk about that? What is that? Like what? Okay, so in my culture, they circumcise girls and it's a very normal thing, right?

So when I was five years old, I was circumcised. It's called female genital mutilation, right? And what are they, the clitoris? They circumcise you. They cut you, like there's different types. So there's one that they can cut, they cut your clitoris? They circumcise you. They cut you, like there's different types. So there's one that they can cut, they cut your clitoris. The one they sew you in. So for me, I was sewn so I couldn't pee for like, like I could pee, but it takes me longer.

And then when I had period, it was the worst experience of my life ever. Like until now I have like coming from a very abusive father, like I got the most abused out of him than anyone in my family. You know, I have broken bones. Like I literally have this here that he kicked me, you know, this going through in my life. It's like, that's why maybe I see things differently in life. And so, um, I, you have a lot of people that can have babies, depression, which I go through sometimes. You have people that, um, like girls die so young and there's six countries now in Africa that just decided that they want to bring it back.

Yeah. Like it's normal. So for example, like a three-year-old girl that doesn't know anything, there's no anesthesia, there's nothing, they tied you in the bed. You don't know what's going on. And then when you get married, like I was lucky, my husband paid for me to be open in a hospital, but a lot of girls in my culture don't get that. You have to go through your husband with your son for years.

And it's very painful. And they, and they don't take it seriously because the reason is like, you have to get married when you're a virgin. That's the thing about it. Right. So it's about virginity because the fathers want to get the cows. They want to get the dowry because it's a big deal in our culture to get dowries. And if you get married in our culture, they have to make sure that

you bleed to be a virgin. I know it's like 20, 25, but it's happening right now as we speak. You know, so for me, it was. It's so important for me, but also it's like a taboo where sometimes I feel like I'm embarrassed to talk about it because I don't want people to see me like that's who I am. But then, cause I'm a mother, I'm a business woman and you know, Why would you be embarrassed? It's something you went through. It's, I think anyone who hears this story would think that that's a terrible thing to do to children.

Yeah, it's really bad. Why do you feel embarrassed by it? Because it's like something that's so kept and hidden. And then like, when I talk about it, I get bullied online a lot about it. I get called prostitute, which is like dilo. I get like, we don't claim you, we don't want you. They would literally go really deep into bullying me and things like that. And it's sometimes like, you just like, oh, all I'm trying to do is save the girls.

Because I'm not on the planet just to be beautiful and argue with people to get paid on the show, stuff like that. There's more to me than that. This is something that I care about so much. So I actually started a makeup line called I Am Beauty. And actually right now we have a blush that's dedicated to female genital mutilation and proceed goes to that and try to bring awareness to it. Cause I feel like no one is talking about it. Of course we do. I do have few Somali friends of mine that are famous, but they cannot talk about

it because it's very, you get bullied for it. They're scared to talk about it. Yeah. They're very, very scared to talk about it. You know, uh, like I couldn't go home. Like, like my classmates know this, Carolyn, somebody knows this, like Sarah, like they know it because I showed them the messages. I couldn't go home to pick my mom who has dementia because she cannot fly by herself because my dad had put like a lot of threats, you know, and it's like very bad threats, you know, so that like affected me with my mom. So as much as I'm opening about it, I'm talking about it. I also know it's like,

puts really bad situation on me. Like I haven't gone home for like eight months to nine months because I'm scared to go home. I'm so sorry. Yeah, because yeah, I'm so scared. When did you realize that like what they're doing to young girls is not okay? How old were you? When I left, when I left, because when you're raised in an environment that you think it's normal, you don't see it not being normal.

And I don't know if I should say this, but I was, I think 18, and one of my very good friends from Brazil was very open-minded about sex, which I found it so weird because in my culture, we're not that open-minded about sex. It's like women, you're not supposed to talk about sex. You're just supposed to lay down, carry babies and shut up. That's your job.

Right? So she was very open about sex. She was like, I'm dating this guy. Oh, I broke up with this guy. I'm with a new guy. I'm with this new guy. I'm going on a date. And I thought that was so fascinating for me coming from my village.

Well, like you need to be home at five. If you're five, that at home, my mom will be too, because where are you? You know, and I wasn't, and I, you know, I've already, I'm far away through. I just can't say it. Like my mom would be like, did you, did anybody touch you? You know, like open your legs, you know, and they already, I'm far away through, I just can't say it. Like my mom would be like, did you, did anybody touch you? You know, like open your legs, you know, and they would check because yeah, like if you're okay and stuff like that, you know. And, and so when she was so outgoing and she was so dating, and I thought that

was, wow, people really do this. This is a different world, you know? And then she was talking about porn and she was like, yeah. And I was like, what the hell is that? So when I watched it and then I saw how my body part doesn't look the same as these girls. You know, that's how you found out. That's how I found out. I was like, oh, wow.

It's so different. Then they hit my head and I was like, oh my God, this is so different from what I know. Because she had, don't know how I'm going too far, but she had lips and I don't have that. So I was like, oh my God, people like, why is so different? And I was like, oh, then it's because you block it when you're young, you know, and then everybody's normal around you. And then I was like, oh, shit, this is not normal, because I had to go through again to the doctor to open it. And then I had my son, which was already another torture because you have to go through it. So basically, yeah, my father has been through a lot. I'm sorry, I'm laughing, but it's my own much coping mechanism.

I always laugh at things. So, so that's why it's like so important for me to talk about it because I really, especially six countries bringing it back. New York Times wrote about it recently that they're bringing it back and it breaks my heart. It really breaks my heart. I appreciate you bringing awareness to that because I didn't know the half of that.

Yeah, a lot of people don't know exists and it's just worse to me. Like it's as child trafficking to me, it's really worse and people don't know about it because imagine do you have kids? Yeah I have a daughter one year old. Oh wow yeah that's beautiful yeah see she's safe this is why like I want girls to be safe like that that's my priority in life. After you found out did you go back to your sisters did you have questions did you let them know? So when I found out, I was in Brazil,

went back home and I was telling my cousins, you know, this is not normal. Like, why can't you, you know, we're not allowed to talk to boys because of the dowry situation. And also in my culture, it's like, they really talk, you know, and they can ruin your name by being like,

oh, we saw her with a boy. And then immediately the whole village and the clans think like, oh my God, she's done something. Then you're losing your bank account for your family, right? Cause dowry is so important. You know what I mean? Like my husband paid for my dowry because it's,

it's like in my, it's a custom, you know? So when I went back, I told them, they were like, what do you mean? It's not normal. I was like, yeah, I watched this. Like what? That's haram because we're Muslim. Like that's not okay. But also you mentioned you went to, you're Catholic.

I actually went to Catholic school. Yeah. It was my fun time ever in my life because I don't know if the Catholic schools in America are the same, uh, in America, same as Africa. In Africa, we dance in the church and in my culture, you cannot really dance in front. So I've always done things that I'm not supposed to do. The father loved me so much that they would allow me to walk through the church and do things like, because I always wanted to be different with different things, you know? So yeah, it's definitely a fucked up situation. And I feel like that's my priority in life to bring awareness to it.

And do you feel like the more awareness around it, it'll kind of put more pressure on them to stop doing it? Yes. I feel like, so I feel like if I keep talking about it, maybe five people will listen to it. Maybe they will talk about it because nobody knows about it. So I'm just like, if they talk about it, talk about it, maybe more people will talk about it.

Maybe we'll save more girls together. Right? Yeah. Because I feel like if by the time, because the other day I woke up and I was like, Oh my God, Ayan, you're going to be 16, 10 years. And I started to freak out at 3 AM. I don't know why God would remind me that in the middle of this. You know? So I was like, why? You know, I was like, but you haven't done enough, you know? So I need to do more. I need to do this. This is my priority in life.

What is really brave of you to talk about it, obviously, it is something that you even mentioned that you're kind of scared about and that people in your culture are scared about. So I do really applaud you for talking about that. Yeah. You might have a good one. I have a great one.

Yeah. You did. You were tweeting some funny things throughout Trader. Yeah. Are we still tweeting funny things? Have you stopped or no? No. So I was mad, right?

And they pissed me off. And honestly, I feel like they really take this job seriously. Yeah, they do. Like they really play this game seriously. Like I want to see fun. You know, I think that's why when I died, they were like, Ayan, there was so much fun died when you left, you know, Krishala was like, oh my God, you were so fun. When you left, there was no fun.

Dylan was like, you know, you were so fun. But I love my boy Dylan so much because I treat him a lot about him because before I left, I told him that Bob was the traitor. And then when I walked into the room, they had my name and babes. I literally bawled crying. I literally went into like panic attack and cried because I was like, why am I dead? I don't deserve this. I've been entertaining all these people for free in this castle. You know, so I was like, I shouldn't die.

But then I started telepathic to, to, to Dylan, cause I believe in telepathy. So I was just like in my room when I did, I was like, Dylan talk about the drug queen, Dylan, please make sure he's dead. Dylan, Dylan. And you reached him. It worked because the next day he was dead. You know, he was dead. And I was like, yes, it worked. You know, you got to tell a path to people when you have connections. It's all about connection.

I was like, yeah, Dylan. I was like literally calling Dylan's name and then he made it happen. And then when, of course, when he came from the traitors, we spoke for like think two hours almost. So he told me everything that happened. It's like, don't worry. I got you. I was so upset when you murdered and I think two hours almost. So he told me everything that happened. He's like, don't worry, I got you. I was so upset when you murdered and I knew it was him.

So I first thing is like the first time I tried, it didn't work, but the second time it worked and he's out, you know? And I was like, love him so much. Were you sad about Dubai not coming back? So we were not told we're not coming back, to be honest. We were told we were paused. Is it like a logistical thing just because of Dubai being kind of so far away and just like

different time zones or why do you think it has been put on pause? People online said when we were airing season two that we reminded them of the old Housewives. There was a lot of good reviews compared to New York housewives. And my cousin is in New York housewives. Yeah, I can ask you about that. Yeah. So, huh? I want to ask you about that. Oh yeah, that's fine. Yeah, you can ask me. So, you know, we got great reviews. We were

doing fun things. You know, my cast members are really crazy and good. So honestly, did not expect that call. Okay. Like, Hey guys, uh, they've decided to put you guys on pause, but we never know. You know, didn't, because I thought we were going to start filming in a few weeks, you know, because they were, they were talking to us, like, what did you, what's going on with you in your life and all that stuff, you know? And also I feel like you guys didn't get to meet, uh, you missed a lot of chance because you know, we have like better Jen Shah in our cast.

Really? Mm-hmm. Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah. So we had a lot of good things coming. We had a lot of strong storylines. There was so much that was gonna happen

that you guys are missing out. And I just feel like- Wanna move to New York anytime, Shane? My son is moving to New York, to college, you know? Yeah, maybe he wants his mom there. I just feel like Uba could really use- Me, some kind of help. Help, you know?

How is Uba? Have you talked to Uba since- Yes, I just talked to her two days ago. How's she doing? Oh, yesterday I told her I've landed in New York, LA. Don't even know where I am, because I'm just lying. I told them I'm here. She's good.

She's better. The family's taking care of her. You know, I put her first. I knew what was going on, of course, everything. And I care that she's in a good mental place now. Like she's better. She's very forgiving. She's better than me.

Let's just put it there. Yeah was a nice end to the reunion moment that they had between her and Brynn. So, you know, that I was definitely forgetting. I felt like it was Uba being the bigger person though. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, of course, of course, of course. It takes the bigger person to do the bigger thing when they're not even wrong.

Yeah. Right? That's its volumes. I would like to see you on Roni. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, like, oh, wow. Maybe I might, maybe I might.

No, no, no, not oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. No, like, I might, maybe I will go film a scene with my cousin. Maybe I'll have fun with him. Maybe if she has an event, I'll show up and support her. You're obviously excellent television. We didn't get quite near enough of you on Traders.

You think I'm great television? Aw, thank you. Look, we're becoming friends. You know you're good television. I am the best television. There's no one like me in Housewives. That's true. There's no one.

There's no one like me. And I'm saying that out of like good heart. Not like, some of them are the same from different shows. They I'm saying that out of like good heart, not like some of them are the same from different shows. They're literally the same characters you can find, but me, no. No, there's no one like you. Anyone like me, he's ever seen on Housewives.

You're great. You're one of one. It's so good to have you. I loved this. Come back. Please come back on the show whenever you're back in town or maybe we can do it remotely or something, but don't be a stranger.

Yes, I would love that. If you're in Idaho, you can. And anytime you wanna bully me on my DMs, please feel free. I know that was so funny though. I was a little disappointed you unsent them after I called you out on it. Oh yeah. Yeah, I unsent them because I felt like, you know what?

That was our memory. That was our beginning of our relationship. I tell you why I unsent them because I felt like, you know what? That was our memory. That was our beginning of our relationship. I understand them because I was like, I started to research you and then I found out you have a beautiful wife. Then I was like, he's grown. And she's taking, you know, she's made him grown and she's very pretty. So she's doing a great job. Thank you.

That's what I'm saying. I'm trying. Just be careful what you believe on the internet. I'm just saying. You're doing great. But no, but honestly, I'm so happy to have met you. That's what I was trying. I'm trying. Be careful what you believe on the internet. I'm just saying. You're doing great. But no, but honestly, I'm so happy to have met you. I was really looking forward to this. That's why I asked you if you live in LA because I knew like you have a podcast

and I was like, maybe I should go. My sister actually told me about you. My sister, Ifrah, she was like, if you're going to LA for traitors, maybe you should reach out to Nick Viles. He has a very good podcast. So you should do it. So that's why I went to you and I was like, do you live in LA? Because I was coming to LA.

So that was the reason. And then I discovered. Yeah. Then that's when, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then he's like, Oh my God. Yeah.

But now we're friends and you called me the hottest man in America. So like we can. Yeah. In America. I was like, wow. Yeah. Really, really gorgeous. And he has Wow. Thank you. Yeah. Really, really gorgeous. And he has a really big dick.

Jesus Christ. Oh my God. I love that for you, God. I know. Because you're so hot too. Oh my God. I would watch you guys. Okay, goodbye.

Get out of here. Bye. Yes, I love you. What a dream. I just don't remember anyone calling me the best looking guy in America. I've called you that. Every morning when you wake up, I say you're the best looking guy in America. I've called you that. Every morning when you wake up,

I say you were the best looking man in America. I forgot I wasn't listening. I've told you guys you need to watch Dubai and one of the reasons is Chanel. I'm obsessed with that. Like she's unafraid to say. We started watching a little bit and then like the season wrapped and then pause.

I really think Dubai so far, just wondering if she would do other TV. You can fly me out, I'll go to Dubai. I could see you in Dubai. Have you ever been? No, but my roommates are in Dubai, so I know a lot of the customs. Your roommates are in Dubai? No, from Dubai.

She lives in my house. Oh, really? Apartment. Roommates. Your long distance roommate in Dubai. I want to get on a plane that has a cabin. No, I want to get on a plane that has a shower. Both.

Not that I would use it, but. Did she say there's a shower? Yeah. Outside of the cabin. She said Will Smith went and took a shower on Emirates. I want to go to Dubai just to go on that plane. Do you remember in New York Housewives when Justal's husband got a lot of shit because he, about his like points,

but he takes the flight to Bahrain to like get a certain sandwich or whatever, but to like up his points. The actual flight is like a hotel. It's like gourmet food. They have like a full on like living room for you to hang out with for your personal, yeah, like a full bed to lay down in.

We gotta do this. Like it's $20,000 ticket. Oh my God. At some point in our lives, manifestating we will be on Emirates at some point. Manifestating. At least it's an experience. Less than manifestating. Manifestating. Let's start it. What did I say? Manifestating. At least it's an experience. Less than manifestating.

Manifestating. Let's start it. You gotta get out of row 50 first. I have to get to row fucking one before I get to Emirates. Yeah. Thank you to our guests, Chanel Ayan and Lauren from Love is Blind.

Also, if you haven't listened to the Bella Thorne episode, everyone's talking about, it's an absolute doozy. You will be clinched just soaking up all the conversation. So if you are not privy to that interview yet, be sure to go ahead and listen to it right now. You will not regret it. We will see you next week for another explosive, fun episode of all the things that we do.

We'll see you then. Bye.