The Viall Files - E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

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What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vyfiles Reality Recap edition. I am your host Nick and I'm really pissed at me more than winning Oscar. I felt like, you know, here's the thing about Oscars. Like I get it, like there are like a one-off situation, but like sometimes it really feels like there should be some sort of like consideration for like the actor in their career. They do that sometimes.

That's kind of why Jamie Lee Curtis won Best Supporting Actor. Well, then why not? No, I mean, in no disrespect to our winner. Mikey Madison? Yes. Anora was incredible. She did some great accent work, but it is funny. What did you want Demi Moore to win for?

The substance. Oh, you watched? No. You're a big fan of body horror about like Margaret Craley crawling out of the back of Demi Moore's back. Guys, it's not about me. Oh, really? It's about Demi. You know, I don't have to, like the art's not for me. I'm not a fan of body horror,

but like I'm a huge fan of Demi and her career. And I think it's an incredible story. And she's someone who like has taken a couple years off. She's been in some scenes here and there. And for her to come out and be in the substance and like crush it. And I've heard nothing but amazing things from everyone who's seen the movie. And I just would have loved her to win. Her losing is kind of the plot of the substance and like crush it. And I've heard nothing but amazing things from everyone who's seen the movie.

And I just would have loved her to win. Her losing is kind of the plot of the substance. That's what I saw a tweet saying to me more losing to Mikey is basically the plot of substance. Yeah. It's, you know, younger, younger actors being more lauded for work, whereas older women kind of get brushed over. But she did win the Golden Globe,

and the Oscars famously don't always make the right decision. Yeah, but the Golden Globe is kind of like, they took a couple years off. It's like, it's not even an award show anymore. I mean, Nikki brought it back in the best possible way, so. No, they didn't keep bringing it back, but then her comedic gold was solidified with Adam Sandler using her joke as the punchline for his bit. in the possible way, so. Now they did, Nikki, bring it back, but then her comedic gold was solidified

with Adam Sandler using her joke as the punchline for his bit. She won the Critics' Choice Award as well, and the Satellite Award, and she won the SAG Screen Actors Guilds. So basically they're saying she doesn't deserve an Oscar because she has so many other awards at this point. Well, I'm not saying she wasn't-

Is this the people at the Academy trying to be different? I think, well, I think Enora also swept the Oscars, so it kind of, they do that sometimes. Literally, I've never heard she wasn't. Trying to be different. No, no. I think, well, I think Enora also like swept the Oscars. So it kind of, they do that sometimes. Literally have never heard of the movie. It's an incredible movie. What's it about? It's about. I saw an interview where she, there was like,

there was not an intimacy coordinator. There wasn't. It's indie. But they both were like, it was like some intense sex scenes. I guess if you both sign off of it, and you're both like, hey, listen. How did Amelia Perez win anything after?

Because people are stupid. Okay. But, oh, because there's more than, you know, there's more than just one actor who made that movie. That's just one person who. I thought it was the director, no? No, it was just, it was Best Song. Is it the lead actor or something?

There's a lot of criticisms about Amelia Perez outside of the Carlos Sofia Gascon of it all. My only criticism is really, I just wanna start hearing of more movies that are actually talked about at the Oscars as opposed to we know about Wicked. It does feel like it's the same three movies that just keep winning and keep talking about it.

I mean, Wicked didn't really win that much. That's what I'm saying. It's even the more obscure, you know, it's just like, I don't know, Adrian Brody won another Oscar for, essentially playing the same role. The Brutalist. That he won an Oscar for 20 years ago.

In between the 20 years, we only seen him in like some random cameos. He's had a very interesting career. He was in Succession. He was in, yeah, he had a. Cameo in Succession. A bit in Succession. He had a role as a bad guy

in one of the seasons of Peaky Blinders. You know, it's like. I heard this is a, I don't, I can't substantiate this as facts, but I heard that he was waiting to see if he won the Oscar before he would take any other roles. Well, someone waited it, yeah. Sounds very Adrian Brody.

He's got actor brain for sure. He's very serious about himself. He did when he was going on stage to do a speech through his gum to his girlfriend. Did you see that? Love. He was like chewing, he was like, oh my God. She caught it. She was like, I got you. He threw it.

How did she feel about the kiss with Halle Berry? Haven't heard from her. Well, wasn't it revenge? How would you feel about it? I'd probably be like, I don't really know what they're referring to. I don't remember this iconic moment 22 years ago. So I don't know if it was as iconic as I think. I don't really know what they're referring to. Like, I don't remember this iconic moment 22 years ago, so I don't know if it was as iconic as I think.

I don't remember that moment. Can we bring it up? But regardless, I'm assuming Adrian wasn't dating the same person. Oh! Oh! So like, if let's say 10 years ago, I'm in a different relationship, and then, I don't know,

was Holly Berry married then? I don't know. So like, married then? I don't know. So like, let's say, if I were single, if I were single 10 years ago, and then my co-star, I don't know what the, let's say I kissed someone. Why are they kissing though? I guess apparently he kissed her. Was this a movie, was this he happening?

He kissed her out of kind of nowhere at the Oscars a long time ago, and she like kind of got him back. The two first crossed paths on stage at the 2003 Oscars when Berry presented Brody with the best actor statue at first performance in The Pianist, when Brody took to the stage to accept the award, he embraced Barry kissing her and remarking,

"'I bet they didn't tell you that that was in the gift bag.'" So he surprised her because he was so excited about winning the award and like laid one on her. And then Halle repaid the gesture on the carpet. How pissed would you be if like 10 years ago, someone who I worked with in the past, decided like they get dibs because like at one point, 10 years ago, we did a bit.

But it's also Halle Berry. Yeah. And it's also maybe arguably the most beautiful woman ever in the world. So perfect. Yeah, I would probably, we would probably have maybe a little bit of a fight later on.

You think it'd be like a quiet ride home? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I'm like, legs are shifted towards the door and window. I'm looking out the window. The body language would be body language. But what if Nick also won an Oscar that night? I think congrats, but like, what does that do for me?

It's Halle Berry though. That's a flex for you. Yeah. Like Halle Berry kissed her husband. But they already kissed 10 years ago. So it's like still a flex for me because like my boyfriend. But he kissed her 20 years ago. I mean, I feel like I would still regardless be like,

hey, I feel like maybe no, I don't know. It does feel a little like, oh, okay, I guess. Maybe if he like told her like, hey, are you cool with this? Like me and Halle are planning on like recreating this moment. Later in the night, he throws her, like, hey, are you cool with this? Me and Allie are planning on recreating this moment. Later in the night, he throws her his gum. And then gives a five minute, four second speech. It wasn't like, hey babe, when your loving partner sticks out their hand like this and says,

babe, you need to just bit out your gum. It wasn't like that. He'd like, fucking, woman, take the gum. She caught it. Did he say anything about her in his five minute long speech? Yeah. Did he say anything about her in his five minute long speech? Yeah. Did he say something about Hal?

I don't remember, but he did break a Guinness world record for the longest speech. They were they playing the music over him? Yes, and he said, I've been here before stop. Do you ever see a SNL appearance? Yes, I have. Where he does a Jamaican accent to introduce a band that was not planned. It was not planned. He did that. He took a, he hasn't been, but to introduce a band that was not planned.

It was not planned. He did that. He took a, he hasn't been, but it's a rumor they got banned. They don't ban anyone because they don't care. I do have a little like Oscar a tee. Our babysitter, also an elite socialite, got to go to all the Oscar parties last night. Ooh.

She was running late this morning. She was like, I just got home. Oh, that's nice. Okay, can't wait to leave you in the hands of. So everyone's grown up time right now. She is our babysitter and also like besties with like, you know, A-listers. Turns out, I guess there's also like an elite Hollywood party

that people go to. I forgot his last name. She said his name's Guy or something. I don't know. Guy Pierce? No. Guy Richie. It's not an actor.

Guy Fieri. It's not an actor's name. Guy Fieri is like where everyone's going. I've never heard this person's name. There may be like some like hot shot producer. Apparently he used to be married to Madonna. Oh, okay. Guy Ritchie.

That's Guy Ritchie. Guy Ritchie. No, I would have known Guy Ritchie. Maybe it's Guy Ritchie. She did not, she could have got his last name wrong. I don't know. There's a guy named Guy. Okay.

He throws cool Oscar parties. And word on the street is Miles Teller. Excellent dancer. Oh? Like shut down the dance floor. He was in Footloose. Miles Teller? He was in Footloose.

Was he? Oh my God. The 2011 Footloose. Throwback. Well, there you go. No, the Kevin Bacon original. Miles Teller strikes me as a guy who like, I feel like a lot of like actors in Hollywood,

like just, you know, generally theater kids, maybe it's a stereotype, but like they grew into themselves in adult life and they really got cool after they became celebrities. And I feel like Miles Teller has a little bit of like, he was always a little cool. He was cool in the gorge. He always, I haven't seen, is it good?

It's the gorge, it's fun. Okay, it's fun. He was in Divergent. He was in Divergent. He danced in the gorge, not physically. Apparently he's got some moves and I would like to dance with him, toe to toe. Go head to toe.

Go head to head. People did say you need dance lessons after the Bella Thorne promo. All right, calm down internet. I wasn't like trying, I was just being weird. You were acting in my opinion. Speaking of, it's a wild and dramatic episode, the one with Bella Thorne and going deeper last week.

Also, this Friday, not Wednesday, we have a very special Going Deeper. A finalist of Traders will be with us. You will be very excited about who they are. And that will be this Friday following, directly following the finale and reunion of Traders this week. So change your schedule. We'll be with you on Friday.

Reality Recap is Thursday as always. Well, we were out of town this past weekend and I got a pinched nerve in my back. Oof. Terrible. Awful. I've never had one before. It was the worst thing I've ever experienced. And it's because we- You're getting closer to 30?

Yeah, I'm getting closer to 30. I'm getting old, everybody. I'm getting old. Yikes. So no, it's because we didn't bring a crib for River. So she slept in the bed with us and she sleeps like a crazy person. Like, no, literally's because we didn't bring a crib for River. So she slept in the bed with us and she sleeps like a crazy person, like no, literally spread starfish,

like legs up, legs down, head to the left. It's the crazy, yeah. So I had, and I'm not exaggerating, maybe three inches of space on that bed. And the entire night I'm like straining to not fall off the bed. So I'm like tightening every muscle to not fall off the bed. You know, so I'm like tightening every muscle to like stay on the bed.

That is me most nights, by the way. I was going to say, it sounds like great sweet. No, I look over at Nick and he's like, he has- Now's my night to relax. He forgets that it's a king size bed and he could be on the complete other side and I won't even know he's there. But no, he's right up under me as well. So the next morning I am like bending down to get river

or changing her diaper, doing something like, and I twist and it's over for me. So then I tell Nick, I'm like, I've, I've pinched a nerve in my back, like seriously. And River keeps, I keep having to like bend down and pick River up. And he's like, well, first of all, you shouldn't be bending. You should be squatting. Are you fucking kidding me? Are you kidding right now?

I'm in bad back. He's like, you, it's like kidding me? Are you kidding right now? I'm in bad back. He's like, you, it's like rule number one, you squat. And I'm like, sure, but this is nothing to do with my form right now, like this was because of our sleeping arrangement. Well, maybe. Also, also I love that there's a tip, not a, I got it. No.

Yeah. Not like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, honey. What happened? It's like a let's- Oh, you're right, I was mans's planning facts. Man helping as well. Gotta start squatting. You cannot, Bent, rule number one. Don't do that.

It's helpful. Then she punched me. Yeah, yeah. We saw a very famous person. I'm not gonna say who because I want to, it was very cool. It was cooler than Meg Ryan, doesn't matter. And they checked out River. And this very famous person looked at our beautiful daughter

and kind of went, hmm. And then we were at a restaurant that served both, it was a Sunday morning lunch, I don't know, Sunday lunch, we went and got lunch. And then in this particular place serves lunch. They also have a breakfast buffet of some sorts. So brunch? Buffet.

Yeah, I don't know why he's being so weird. Because you keep saying they served lunch, but they also served lunch. A buffet. No, it's the buffet. It was a brunch, yes, it was a brunch buffet. It's a me thing. Maybe I'm alone here.

And as someone who grew up in a large family, yes, we went to, are you guys familiar with Old Country Buffet? Yep. What about Hometown Buffet? I'm not familiar with, but I imagine it's very, it's the same thing. No longer interest? There was also like the Ponderosa Buffet,

just like buffets in general. Like we frequented them as children growing up. But like as an adult, I will say the, like one of the very few things I really appreciate and the privileges that I enjoy the most is the ability to level up when it comes to quality of food. And I just like, I'm of the opinion and maybe I'm alone that if you go to a restaurant that serves individual meals and you can order off the menu and just get your own dinner,

I don't know who in their right mind would opt for the community's food that's been sitting out for hours and several, I don't know how many people have been scooping out of the same fucking food. But this A-list celebrity with, I can only imagine what their wealth may be, like opted for the buffet. And I was really like, wow, they're really just like us.

Not me for sure. I was like, wow, they're really just like us. Not me for sure. I was like, ew, disgusting. Oh my God, how could they? Were you considering like, are they going through a tough time financially? Like look. It raised a lot of questions. I was like, oh my God, what are they doing?

Maybe they just always appreciate a good deal. A selection. Maybe so, yes. I mean, again, like this is my snobby side coming out, but I, who would you? Were you at a fancy restaurant? Yes, buffets are amazing. I mean, again, like this is my snobby side coming out, but I, who? Were you at a fancy restaurant? Yes, buffets are amazing. I love buffets.

God, really? Also, I love a buffet. It is the era of charcuterie. So some people like to snack on the options versus getting one of the same thing. There's nothing gross to you about like just, you know, I don't know, mashed potatoes, half gone. Who knows how long it's been out there, sitting under a lamp.

Nick, you're talking to people who eat Whole Foods hot bar for lunch consistently. I guess, right? I mean, I really am alone. There's a whole, like half the city is hot girls go to Air One and pay $30 for orange chicken. That's true. That's been sitting out there.

I just find it to be fucking appalling and disgusting. I do think it's one thing to like, yeah, go to like get a lunch at an Air One or a Whole Foods and do like the hot bar. But if you're at a restaurant that serves you, like you have your own waiter. You can order a burger, but you like choose. No, I feel that way about fan belt sushi.

Like I love going to the sushi places that do that, but I only order from fresh from the kitchen You're the issue there No my god like go to a different restaurant, but it's a good sushi I just don't want to pick it off because I don't know how many times it's gone around the entire Touched it opened it To be fresh and warm and hot it needs to be like I want it right out of whatever it's a hot salad Whatever it's meant to be that's what I want it to be if it's meant to be like I want it right out of whatever it's a hot salad whatever it's meant to be That's what I want it to be if it's meant to be ice cold

I want it fucking ice cold like oh god nothing worse than a shrimp cocktail Oh my god, I'll lose my fucking mind The amount of times he's like I'm gonna order a shrimp cocktail and then as soon as it hits the table He's like this is not gonna be good This is not cold enough. And there'll be like four uneaten shrimp with like one bite and they're like, oh, you don't like it? No, it's totally great.

Like it's fine. I won't send it back. I won't, like that's a me problem. I recognize my- Psychosis? Yeah. I was gonna say peccadilloes, but like, whatever. You are the pickiest eater.

I'm surprised you don't argue, or you don't confront the waiters when it's wrong. It's a me problem. Yeah. I mean, I'm not so arrogant that I would expect an entire restaurant to like change how they do things. Okay. And I'm not a chef. I mean, I like to cook, but like, who am I to be like, can I talk to the chef please and like critique their shrimp cocktail?

But what if they accidentally put mayonnaise on whatever you ordered? Are you saying that? Oh, yeah, I will very gently and politely say like, again, I'm crazy and I must not have asked for it. Five times. No, but then I was like- Plain, plain, just lettuce, just cheese.

No sauce. I'll always ask him not to spit on my food. But I'm very gentle. But like, if it's just a how they did it, I mean, I guess it's like, oh, I guess I'll never come back. Still need to figure out this Shake Shack in first class of whether or not he gets a plain burger or the sauce on the side.

I'll let you know on Wednesday. Okay. Well, I'm flying, I have to fly. First class? Oh yes, babe. You had the Opsh, you had the Opsh. Opsh, the O flying, I have to fly. First class? Oh yes, babe. You're back. You have the ops. You have the ops. The ops.

I can't. Are you staying behind so this is not your plane? I have to fly to DC. Exactly. If I don't go, he upgrades to first. I did not get upgraded. You requested. YouTube's paying for me to fly to DC

and teach people how to do the internet, I guess. Hell yeah. Congrats. To teach people how to secure their internet, I guess. Hell yeah. Congrats. To teach people how to secure their own first class seats. Yeah. Get a deal with YouTube. Get a deal with YouTube, our kid. Sorry, Natalie.

No, she could have come. She could have came. But we've been obviously traveling so much. We've been going and going and going. And I am representing the family. Once again. And thank God for it. Once again.

We have an amazing episode lined up for you. The one and only, truly one and only, Carolyn from Traders is with us, as well as Taylor Green from Southern Charm. They are both with us this episode. It's wild, wacky and fun. Carolyn, wild stuff. So we recorded the Carolyn bit last week.

We did go out of town and basically last week at some time, the day we were leaving town, a member of the household here, Zach, has some connections with the Survivor franchise. Carolyn famously has been part of that franchise. And so we were, there was some back and forth. We were trying to get Carolyn on. She wasn't like in the right space at that point to do the interview. And then like the day of when we were there some back and forth. We were trying to get Carolyn on. She wasn't like in the right space at that point

to do the interview. And then like the day of when we were flying out, Carolyn was flying to LA. And then we found out that Carolyn decided that she wanted to come on the show. And there was like a 10 minute window between like when I had to go to the airport and when Carolyn was like, you know, we had Zach go pick her up at the airport

and try to get her in. So that's later this episode. I had like 10 minutes to talk with Carolyn and then Justin and Sierra graciously finished that interview. So that is later this episode. She is, she's something. Oh yeah, she's a character and I adore her.

I can see why she did very well. Cause you really don't know if she's doing a bit or. What's gonna come out of her mouth next. Or what's gonna come out of her mouth next. Or what's gonna come out of her mouth next. She really keeps you on your toes. It's a wild and wacky fun interview. And again, we have Taylor on. Speaking of thinking it was a bit,

it's come to our attention. A couple of weeks ago, we pointed out that we were surprised. Obviously you guys know where we land in the Justin and Blake situation, yada yada, and a lot of like big names people have like, haven't really, most people just haven't spoken up about it, but like a lot of like the bigger names in Hollywood haven't, but like Whitney Cummings was someone who,

I thought was team Justin because like I saw something on Axe of her saying that Blake and Ryan were the most like obnoxious people in Hollywood. It's come to my attention by people close to the situation. Sources. Sources say that apparently she is Team Blake and not Team Justin and that the video that I saw, I guess was a bit, I don't know.

Didn't seem like a bit to me, but art is subjective. But good to know that Whitney Cummings is on Team Blake. So we were wrong. We have another person on our side. We have another person on our side. So that's good to know. I harshly said that Whitney would be embarrassed when she realizes, you know, what the truth,

well, what I think is the truth. But it turns out she already is. So, our bad, our bad. My bad, at least. You're bad. I mean, I stand by what I said. I don't really have a soul. So here it is.

Soulless Mary. The soulless me. Yeah. Do you want to say why? No. No. Do you have a reason? I'll leave it up for interpretation.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Moving on. Anyway, Whitney, I personally am sorry for not realizing it was a bit and glad to have at least one other person on our side. Did you watch the Ruby Franke documentary?

Oh my God, no, but I went to really bad. You need to, especially like you and I, Natalie grew up in the era of like family vloggers and like eight passengers was the thing back in the day. So to see like it unfold from their perspective is wild. It is crazy. I never like, I had never heard of them, obviously, I know of so many other family vloggers,

but it's like watching, I saw some clips from the documentary and watching some of these clips, it just shows you honestly what I feel like to be the truth of behind the scenes of every single one of these family vloggers who make their children perform for the camera, like IE Ruby being like,

who are you named after to her son? And he's like, my grandpa. And she's like, you say it with more like enthusiasm, be happier when you say it. And he's like, I'm just not happy right now. And she's like, well, you better act like you are, and it's like, we're not gonna do this if you're not. And then he's like, my grandpa.

She's like, thank you. You know, it's like, we're not gonna do this if you're not. And then he's like, my grandpa. She's like, thank you. You know, it's just crazy how, and I feel like that's every single family vlogger who has their kids doing a bit or dancing or whatever the hell it may be. It's so sad. I mean, I'm like interested to watch, obviously. I think she's in prison for how long?

I wanna say it was 30 years, but I might be wrong with that. But basically the daughter Sherry was, was like, I don't, I hope she's not out until like the kids are 18 or over. No, she's a monster. Yeah. But it is interesting to your point, Natalie, that in the documentary, the family surrendered over like thousands of hours of footage I was never seeing. So you see all of the moments of her scolding them. Her being like, oh, I'll just cut this out whenever I edit it on YouTube.

It's like it reminds me so much of that. I don't even remember who, and I think I might have talked about this before, but I don't remember who the YouTuber was, but it was like her and her maybe like six year old son. And she's like talking about her, her dog had died. Yeah. And she's like, we have to make a thumbnail cry, cry. And she's like, put your hand over your eyes. Like you're crying. And he's like, I don't want to. Or he's like, I am crying or something. And she's like, no, but like make it look. Make it look like you're actually crying. I mean, it's just, it's so sad.

Before YouTube though, like child actors, we've all heard all the horrific stories about Hollywood and child actors, and obviously there's a lot of bad actors in Hollywood in terms of people who parents, good parents, thought their kids were safe and they weren't. But there's also a lot of parents out there

who thrusted their kids into this space, pushed them into it, and kind of were like dance moms. Our entire life depends on your success, so be successful. Yeah. I quit my job to move to LA to make sure that you're an actor at seven because you know what you want at seven. It's tough. Yeah, it's disheartening because I feel like there have been so many

protections that have been created for child actors and now with Social media and the way like family influencers work. It's like that Centralization of at least there are some people looking to protect it kind of takes that out Yeah, don't make changes and like, you know, right those wrongs. I'm also like, I don't know that exploitation isn't exploitation just because you have an account for your kid making money doing it.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like it's like one of those things where it's like, there's a lot of saying like, where it's like, well, it's a business and like, we're preparing our kid because we have an account for them. But at the same time, it's like free will. Like if I don't, if the kid doesn't wanna film,

does the kid not get to film? Yeah. Also to be clear, like this story, I mean, her abuse was far beyond making her kids like record something they weren't in the mood to record. It was like real terrible, horrific. Yeah, but seeing even the clip of like where she's trying to get the son to say like

how happy he is about being renamed, but then as she's screaming at the kids in the background, it's like, if you don't shut up, then it's just like the fact that you could rewatch this, editing these videos and be like, I'm not a monster, is crazy. Most monsters don't see themselves as. Don't see themselves as monsters.

The beautiful part of the story is that the dad, the ending of it brought the dad and the family back together, so. That's good. Did the dad, and this might be a spoiler, but did the dad ever go against his wife, Ruby, at any point? Where's the dad in all this?

He was essentially brainwashed. And like, if you want, when you watch it, like Jodie, who is the religious person that radicalized Ruby, she like pushed him out of the picture and like made him feel like, if you don't leave, then you're going to like, you're going to ruin your family. So he basically made him isolate himself. He didn't talk to friends, family, anybody. The older two siblings got kicked out too. It's a whole thing. I don't know anything about that. How is that not a weak man?

He didn't know any of it. Like when you watch it, he didn't know any of it. That was him whenever she was like, get out of this room! He was like, come on kids, your mom's trying to work. But you know, like how do you not know? I think watch it before you judge it because he even said like he regrets, like one of his biggest regrets was when he left. He was the last line of defense for the children. I hear you and I'm sure he has regrets

and I hope at a minimum he has regrets, but how do you, he's weak. He'll probably agree with you, yeah. He was brainwashed by the situation. That's a weak person. And like, yeah, we all have regrets. And there's a lot of moments in our lives where we like reflect back and go,

I could have said something. I should have stood up. I could have, I don't know, your own kids? Yeah, there should have been someone there protecting you. Your kids? Are you fucking, I mean. Well, Dylan Efron thinks showers are overrated. What is with hot, you know,

I've seen this before with super hot people. Friend, Dean Uglert., also you may know him, another very beautiful man. Sometimes you just look at Dean and go, wow, God really took more time on you. And I think Dean was, is, was, I don't know, I haven't seen Dean in person in a while, so hot that like he would be like, I don't shower much.

And I don't know if it was like, are you, like are you trying to like be a little more grimy because you're so pretty or like, is it, is it like, Dylan's trying to be like a little bit more grimy because he's so pretty. I think it's cause he's, who doesn't want to shower every, like it's, he said he was asked, he was like playing some little game and he was asked about

something he finds overrated. And Dylan Efron said, I think people shower too much. We take way too many showers. I go in the pool a lot. Like there's chlorine, it's killing everything. We don't need to soap our bodies every time we're in the shower either. First of all, there's a couple of flaws in that statement.

He's opting for chlorine on his body. Then soap, is if soap is some sort of like unnecessary product to put on his skin. Like no, let's just douse myself in chemicals. In chemicals, like that's the go-to. Is he also, is he using soap in the pool or is it again, just he's relying on the chemicals? And what is so inconvenient about a hot steamy warm shower?

No one's expecting you to go in there for 20 or 30 minutes. It's like rinse the fuck off and rub pit pit groin. It's the difference between the people who think camping is fun and the people who don't. I don't find anything fun sleeping on the dirt for three nights. I think camping's fun but I love a shower., like I don't find anything fun sleeping on the dirt for three nights. I think camping's fun,

but I love a shower. I mean, he also did love all the bugs all over him and like touching all the bugs in Trader's, so. He's a boy boy. Have you seen his Instagram? Like it's like some of the things where it's like, even if you wanted to picture the idea of it's like, homeboys like on a ledge or like in between mountains

hanging off of like a rope and it's just like. Have Dylan and Rob from Love Island gotten together? Have Dylan and Rob from, oh no. I feel like. I thought you were talking about Boston Rob for a second. Very beautiful people. Catching snakes. You know, really outdoorsy boys,

like love to get in the mud, you know, like. 100%, that's why I said Dylan needs like a girl that wants to like hike 10 miles to get proposed to. That could never. So pretty but ironically don't like showers. I just got the pool. I think the pretty and shower thing, I think my theory on this, and miles to get proposed to. That could never. So pretty, but ironically don't like showers. I just got the pool. I think the pretty and shower thing,

I think my theory on this, and I do feel like this would be substantiated with science is that if they do take a shower, they would be less hot. Maybe that's what's happening there. To Nick's point though, it's always like the people with clear, perfect skin that don't wash their face. 100%.

Well, we had Vanita on last week to kind of clear up some of the JT and her rumors. And then we have this episode of Southern Charm that came out where we see a little like moment that was described differently by the both of them. And Vanita took to her Instagram to say, let me make something very clear.

And she kind of like calls out the editors for rearranging these like scenes and making it seem like she is a home wrecker, she says. What do they rearrange? She said that the dinner JT and I had after I made a brand Zeno was after the Bahamas, as y'all as an audience saw it before. So this week's episode is now making me look

like I'm a home wrecker when I'm not. I know what I signed up for but I also will not allow the world to think that I'm the woman that Icker when I'm not. I know what I signed up for, but I also will not allow the world to think that I'm the woman that I'm when I'm not. Make sure you add this screenshot to all of the Reddit threads. So like the, you know, cause that part where she goes up to his door

and he's like, no camera. And he was like, wait, I have a girlfriend. She feels like the editing made it seem like she knew that. And she's like showing up to his hotel room in the middle of the night for like a. And that's the story that she told us where she was like straddling him being like, you can't tell me you want this, you don't want this too.

And he was like, no, I'm kind of seeing someone. And then the confirmation was that dinner, but they put it out of order to make, yeah, Vanita look crazy. JT's the worst. It's so dirty. He's so smarmy. He is the definition of smarmy. I don't even know what the definition is, but he is it. It's JT in the dictionary.

Well, that's not JT's fault. That's the editors where she's like, they clearly reordered it. No, no, no, was there, like they rearranged like when I got hypothermia and when I didn't. And me personally, I was like, oh, that doesn't make sense. The viewer doesn't give a shit. But like that was more like Bodhi's episode. And I think just storytelling around Bodhi and him going home.

But this is about her being called a homewrecker. So it's a little bit more like. Yeah, but for someone working in editing, they don't go fuck. Like it's all, they're just editing. You know what I'm saying? They're telling a story. But it wasn't JT's fault this specific instance. She's like, they painted it in a way that the storyline then said it was a homework.

I think JT seems to be, have a little bit more pull. And like the fact that he said no cameras. I'm just saying it's not impossible that like he got his way and Vanita didn't. Like why did they do that? What was his way? Just not having cameras in the room? Making it seem like, you know, Vanita is telling this version of the story that he kind of hid the fact that he had a girlfriend

from her and leaned into this friendship slash situationship, are they, aren't they, is something gonna happen? She had no idea, and then all of a sudden, she shows up on camera. If he has a girlfriend, he's immediately like, oh shit, clearly it gave to me, he's been doing shit with Vanita in a certain way,

telling one version to his girlfriend, telling another version to producers and Vanita, and when she showed up like that, yeah, if this is how it was edited, it paints her in a shitty light where then he can go back to his girlfriend and be like, fuck, she this is how it was edited, it paints her in a shitty light where then he can go back to his girlfriend and be like, fuck, she just showed up in my fucking door. It also looks weird too, because it's like,

then JT, after Vanita comes to his door the night before, goes and has one talk with Madison and like books a flight and leaves. So it also kind of like gives the illusion that something might have happened in that hotel room for him to have to leave. Well, I think he probably left because everyone fucking hates him.

That too. And he was like, I'm not, and remember Sally was like, I am not getting on that fucking boat tomorrow if JT's there. I'm just saying if you're watching a show and your boyfriend has a girl that's interested in him come to the hotel door and then say no cameras

and then goes into the door and that's the end of the scene, what is that insinuate? That's true. I would have some questions for sure. You know. Well, did you see also in an interview, Dolores said that Dorit was Sutton's Hannibal Lecter, which I don't get the Hannibal Lecter reference,

but I'll read you what she said. So basically she said, Sutton takes several seats. You're not going to beat her. You're dealing with a different animal, Sutton, and it's out of your league. So you can be mad, but you better reel it in real fucking quick, Sutton, you're no match. I kinda agree with Dolores here. You think that Dorit is giving Hannibal Lecter level? So you can be mad, but you better reel it in real fucking quick, Sutton, you're no match.

I kind of agree with Dolores here. You think that Dorit is giving Hannibal Lecter level? No, I don't. I mean, I don't know about the analogy, but it's just more like you're kryptonite, you can't beat this person in this particular match. I understand, Dorit's going through a divorce. She kind of is like, what's the common phrase? Don't pick a fight with someone who has nothing to lose.

And Dorit is giving like, I don't give a fuck anymore, my life's crumbling around me, like my relationships are all in flux. Like fuck it, playing nice and trying to be everyone's friend only got her bullied, you know, with from her cast. So like if you're Dorit, like who gives a fuck? And like when Dorit says things like, if I go down a higher level, I'll eviscerate her.

Like you know, but Dorit like believes in that because Dorit absolutely thinks like, if I go down a higher level, I'll eviscerate her, you know Dorit believes in that because Dorit absolutely thinks Sutton has a drinking problem. And listen, I'm not an expert, but when Sutton goes on podcasts and start talking about her waking up at 10 and then drinking throughout the day every day, I don't know, that's giving high consumption. And yeah, she probably could go pretty fucking low. And I'm guessing if she does often show up inebriated, there maybe have been moments that like, quite honestly, didn't make the cutting room floor and things like that.

And I bet like Dorit is fully like stocked up on like insults she has chosen not to share, you know, and I think it's one of those things where like Sutton doesn't recognize her problem, doesn't see her problem, and clearly it's a very triggering topic for her. And it seems like Sutton, Garcelle, and some of these other women on her cast just have been so used to getting away with punching down Dorit. And it sure feels- Do you not feel like Dorit is constantly nagging at Sutton to get a reaction?

Yeah. It's very Hannibal Leckler. I think there's a difference between like housewives bickering in a way and like, which we love. We're really getting into the season. I think this season really is delivered. We're getting into some real personal shit that is triggering for these ladies. And it just seems like, again,

Duret's life is being exposed. You know, everyone, like we're talking about our divorce. We're speculating on what PK's doing, like it's a major storyline of the season, and Sutton refuses to even suggest anything about her, you know what I'm saying? Like the rules for Sutton, don't fucking go there, don't do that.

Meanwhile, Dorit's life is on full display. Dorit has nothing to lose, so if I get, it makes a lot of sense, it's kind of like, keep picking a fight with this person who really doesn't give a fuck. And yeah, she's poking the bear. She's poking the bear. But like, I don't know. No, Dureet and Son have years of conflict to go off of. So I think that's kind of also what Dureet's saying too, is

that it's like, don't force me to go to a place that we can't come back from. Because if I get there with you, and she's not making it any easier. So that's what I'm saying. Neither one of them are really trying to like bury the hatchet. So it's just like if it's one more dig after one more dig, one more failed event, then like, and I've never seen Duree get as angry as she's gotten this season. So I'm like, I actually am a little interested and scared to see what else could possibly be coming out of Duree. Duree's in her house with the gals over talking about her son like you know asking if her and dad are

going to get a divorce and whether it was a producer or Sutton came up with it on her own Sutton like dismissed her and like didn't give a fuck and like when Sutton is dismissive she can be incredibly dismissive and then she puts her down about her like finances and things like that. So Sutton came out and said a producer told her to interrupt? Yeah because she was talking too long and they were like, we need to go, like we need to get in the van, we need to go to the next place.

So she was told like, can you like wrap her up? But of course they would ask Sutton instead of asking Bose, you know, to like. But yeah, but if that's the case, Sutton could easily just be like, hey listen, I'm really sorry about that. She did that. That wasn't rude. No.

The clip she's literally like, I'm sorry, we have to go, like I'm sorry. No, that's a dismissive, I'm sorry, fuck you to go, like I'm sorry. That's not a, no, that's a dismissive, I'm sorry, fuck you, you don't matter. It wasn't like that, hey listen, I know what divorce is life. I mean, I don't know, something seemed like she loved divorce.

Laura could have been like, hey, I really wanna hear all about this in the van, but we have to get on the road. I imagine Doree was on Minute 30, and they were like, okay, where's the chance to segue, and she's like, we just gotta wrap it up. I do feel like D Dorit talks a lot. She does. She does.

Yeah. There's a lot of people who think they're better than other people. And sometimes they are. But Sutton's I'm better than you, a lot of it seems to come from her wealth. And her wealth isn't any, it doesn't come from her. And I think it's just a bit eye rolling

when your biggest flex is something that you married into. And then when you put people down for not being in that position, it's just kinda okay. She's definitely playing messy and she's definitely really dirty. And I would love to see the other women at least, not even, they don't even have to stand up for Dreat, but they can at least just be like Sutton.

That was way too far. Not cool. It's interesting because like Garcelle, really close with Sutton, Garcelle, I mean, it's just a level of privilege with all these women, but Garcelle has busted her ass, really worked up, built her own empire, really worked for this beach house, which is beautiful.

And obviously, I'm sure very expensive, but it sure seems like Garcelle has to hustle in a way that Sutton doesn't. And it would be interesting to see, I'm curious how Garcelle felt about that comment, knowing that she has to hustle in ways that Sutton, the way Sutton spoke, it was a shot at anyone. I feel like, I guess what I'm saying is, Garcelle's financial situation might be more in line with De Reets rather than Sutton spoke, it was a shot at anyone. I feel like, I guess what I'm saying is Garcelle's

financial situation might be more in line with Dorit's rather than Sutton's, which is probably super privileged, but maybe not making a half a million dollars a month. Garcelle hates Dorit too, so I'm sure she was like touche. Yeah. I think she hates Dorit, but she could hate Dorit and still feel a certain way about Sutton's comments. Sometimes your friends say something

and it's not meant towards you, but you're like, what do they think about me then? I don't know, I'm just excited for Dorit's moment where she gets to say, I'm gonna cut out Sutton's tongue and eat it with a nice Chianti, if she's Hannibal Lecter. Yep.

Can we get into some Love is Blind? Love is Blind. I stand by it. So do I. That's crazy. When we were watching it, you were like, okay. I think, I've- Don't switch up now.

I'm not switching up. Two things can be true at the same time. Oh, here we go. I don't think Lauren did anything wrong, to be clear. I don't think she did anything wrong in the court of like, I don't know, like she had a right to do whatever she wants. I do think also Dave scapegoated this situation in some ways.

I think Dave scapegoated his family. I think he constantly blamed it on his sister, my sister this, my friends this, my sister this, when a lot of times he was, there were times where he was kinda trying to tell Lauren the truth. There was a time where he went to Lauren and said, well, if my family really wanted to come,

they would show up for me. And then all of a sudden it was like, but like they don't wanna come. So like, okay, Dave, like clearly you told them not to come. I just think like, again, like when you find out, like Lauren finally admitted that she like had sex with this guy, like a week before. Two weeks.

Two weeks, a week, whatever, it doesn't matter. I don't care if you're a man or a woman, gay, straight, non-binary, trans, it doesn't matter. I just think there's a difference between sex positivity and the fact that sex has consequences and you can pretend they don't have consequences all you want, but all people feel a certain way about sex and it fucks with your feelings. And I think this is a classic case of

just because your feelings got hurt doesn't mean the other person did anything wrong. You know, like I think Lauren feels judged. I think she feels hurt by the situation, but like listen, like I think if anyone showed up for this crazy experience and like, keep in mind, these people are getting engaged and then they get married and yes, they know what they signed up for.

But like for any two people to join this experiment and end up in marriage, everything has to line up, everything has to work out. Like you really are taking a huge leap of faith and even when you say I do, you know very little about someone. So like whether she did anything wrong or not, him finding this out is something

that is gonna really potentially rattle his cages. I wish he would just own it, say it with his chest, and just be like, listen, I don't know, like, I just wasn't expecting this. And like, I can't get, I can't say I do with like this information. See, that's the thing. He's not doing that.

And he's blaming his friends and his sister of this like, well, they keep bringing me like new rumors and they like don't want me to marry someone who had a boyfriend so recently and my sister doesn't approve of this and like my friends won't and it's getting to the point where it's like,

you are choosing to believe your friends over your fiance in a place where like at some point you have to say, and clearly he just didn't wanna do this because he just didn't wanna marry her, but it's like he didn't even wanna be like, okay, he couldn't go to his friends and be like, guys. No, but the reason, I think if you, like using our ask Nick language,

but it takes time to build an emotional connection. Couples who get through shit or adversity of any kind, it's because there's a foundation, there's a rapport there. These people don't have any of that. They don't have a foundation of trust. They haven't been through anything together. So Lauren did what she

did. She had the right to do whatever she wanted. But like, you know, but that's the point is this other guy, maybe he's a, you know, a clout chaser, say whatever you want about him. But like, clearly he felt a certain way about Lauren. And when she got out of the bubble, like reached out to her being like, Hey, are you with someone? Are you not someone? He wanted to keep it going. He liked her. He felt a certain way about her. So for her to be like, it's meaningless, it's nothing,

maybe to her, but she got herself, she made choices, she got herself in a situation, sex has consequences, whether you like it or not, whether you're positive about sex or not, it affects people's feelings. And he handled it poorly, and I think he's kind of a weak sauce for like blaming his sister and blaming his family, but I, I still don't fault him for like not being able to just dismiss

all his friends or like, and yeah, I think he was weak about it, but like marriage, I think it would be foolish for anyone in his shoes to say I do to someone who was like, oh yeah, by the way, I did have a hookup, after they got engaged to like details of the story came out after his friends brought this up. Well, it's his fault for not asking more questions in the pods because he did say like,

how long ago were you with someone and she told him and if he didn't wanna ask more questions and get more out of her, he wanted to like wait until his friends filled his ears with stuff, that's his own problem. It's not about fault, like again, this is not like, he didn't wanna ask more questions and get more out of her, he wanted to wait until his friends filled his ears with stuff, that's his own problem. It's not about fault. Again, this is not like he didn't wanna marry her. That's not a crime. That's clear. Fine, but I think for anyone to act like,

again, I don't care if it's a man, woman, I don't care about your sexuality, people hooking up, people have a certain feeling about it. It's one of the most intimate connections two people can have. But then it clearly wasn't that big of a thing because later on when they all meet up at this like party and Molly talks to him and she's kinda like,

what the fuck, like why did you do this? Why didn't you do that? And he goes back to talk to Lauren and is kind of like, I wanna try things with you. Like I. Yeah, I mean, listen again. So how was it such a big problem before? And now it's not to quote Gabby.

They always come back. They always do. I'm not saying like Dave is right. I'm just saying I, I, my feelings about Lauren's choices. Like, is it possible that he just wants to have his cake and eat it too? That like, he doesn't want to get married to the girl, but he does actually really like her and have feelings for her.

So he's freaked out about the marriage. So he made it about this thing, but actually would like to date her outside in real life. I think it has nothing to do with your take. I think your take is your take because it's you and it's who you are. I think Dave's take is because he didn't want to marry her. And I think he's going to listen to this.

And I think he's going to use everything you say at the reunion. Maybe so. Like, I don't think he's thinking this way at fucking all. I don't think it's really bothering him. I don't think he's gonna listen to this and I think he's gonna use everything you say at the reunion. I don't think he's thinking this way at fucking all. I don't think it's really bothering him. I don't think it's really, I just think he was trying to get out of this marriage. And I think he tried to get on a show,

he promised his sister he would never take it this far and he never thought he would get that far. Now that he is that far, he's panicking because everyone's like, what the fuck are you doing? And he's currently engaged and he's telling his sister, yo, we're not together, it's broken off. And that's just because it's Dave or because you don't think there's any way that if, you guys are making, well, if you really loved her,

he would marry her. It's just like he barely knows her. No, but that's what we're not saying that at all. We're saying that if it was just about the sex or the fact that she hooked up with somebody right before this, nothing that Molly should have been able to say should have made him be like, you know what,

maybe I made a mistake and I should retry this relationship. The facts are still the facts. She still slept with him no matter what Molly said to him. But now you just don't have to get married to her in a week. You're right. You have that, that is, if he really liked her and like this was fucking him up and he was like, listen, I just can't marry you in two weeks

with this going in my head, but I do really like you. And like, I don't really care about the sex. It's just like this really, I don't know, threw me off because it wasn't what I, yes, he didn't do that. He did not handle it well at all. I think I'm making this point just because it's like, clearly we're looking at these genders and I think if it was flipped around, it would be,

like you remember, you don't, but I don't know, did you watch Hannah Brown's season? Yeah. You remember Jed? Yeah, the one. At the end of the season, and he had like the girlfriend and the girl waiting by the decks, and I don't know if they were hooking up or not,

but like his version is it wasn't that serious, and her version was, it was. It was exactly the same flipped around, and Bachelor Nation crucified him, lost their shit, how dare him, how dare he have some blah, blah, blah, this thing, and he was just like, he had this girl, he was hooked, I don't know what was going on, now she's married to Hannah Brown's brother,

so I forget about that, that's the best part, but there was some sort of history going on there, and he went on a show, forgot she existed, when you're in the outside world, she's like, I guess in six weeks, and then he found himself engaged in a relationship kind of unexpected, didn't handle it that well,

and then was crucified for it. And now it's the exact same situation, but reversed, different show, and all I'm saying, it's like, you either have a problem with it or you don't. I don't. So you didn't have a problem with Jed? No, I had a problem with windmill guy.

Peter. Whichever one that was like super precious about the idea of her like sleeping with somebody else and she was like. Oh, that was part, oh. The blonde guy. Yeah, he was all for the villain. Yeah, but that was the only one.

But at the time, you thought Jed was being treated unfairly? Oh, I can't put myself back there. I did not care about Jed. All I cared about was like when she was literally like, how dare you, like Jesus loves me no matter if I slept with somebody or not. Yes, I did not care about Jed. All I cared about was when she was literally like, how dare you, Jesus loves me no matter if I slept with somebody or not. Yes, that was a much bigger storyline.

But that's kind of the same thing. He was pretty much like, my wife isn't gonna be a promiscuous type person, and she was like, okay. That was a completely different situation. That was like you have to wait before marriage. Luke P. Thank you, Luke Pell. This is not like just debating the semantics of like a hookup partner and then going on

a love competition show. And that's all, that's what this conversation is about and that's what the whole Jed and Hannah situation was. The idea it's just like, I don't know, he probably didn't expect to fall in love with Hannah, maybe didn't even expect to get cast on the show and was foolish and like sloppy with the fact that he was hanging out with this girl

and trying to have his cake and eat it too, and enjoying this girl's company, and then went on a show, and didn't know what the show, when I went on the show the first time, when I was at work, and everyone's like, are you gonna fall in love? And I rolled my eyes, I was like, of course not. I'm just doing a show.

And then obviously I got caught up in the whole moment. It's a bizarre, crazy fucking world. And I don't expect I got caught up in the whole moment. Like it's a bizarre, crazy fucking world. And I don't expect, I didn't think Lauren expected a fall in love. And I don't know what Dave expected either. And I don't fault Lauren. I'm just saying like, listen, she could have been a little more careful and she could have been a little bit more prepared to like go on a show that she watched as a fan and saw all the other storylines and things like that. And she did it and whatever. That's fine, no big deal. But again, it has consequences.

And the fact that we know what Dave thinks and it's just because he handled it poorly, I just think, yeah. All I could think about is him in that trench coat when he was sitting outside after. That pop collar. And his collar was straight up and he looked like a, not to roast him, I was like the posture, the collar,

I was like, nobody fixed that. Nobody fixed that. I think my biggest issue with Dave was that he was kind of trying to make Lauren break up with him. Oh, he definitely was, Clive. Dave was very much like, this is- And that's where I was like, nuh-uh. If you wanna break up with her, break up with her.

What did you think about Madison coming in with her pink hair and talking shit about Alex? She is the most toxic person in the world. That was a crazy scene. She comes in guns blazing. What's the pink hair? Forget about the pink hair, was a crazy scene. She comes in guns blazing. What, the pink hair? Forget about the pink hair, whatever,

people dye their hair, whatever. Shamy Meg. I don't wanna judge. I thought the hair looked good. Yeah, let's not shame people who wanna get a little fun with their hair. I had pink hair too. I had that exact hair.

She comes in immediately throwing shots, immediately is like, yeah, well Meg was texting Alex before she even knew like we could have been engaged. And she had no idea and she was already up in his DMs. She's dangerous, she's out there like, and throwing just below serious accusations of he's a piece of shit and blah blah blah and throwing out accusations about what he said about Mason

all because she didn't get picked. Yep, yeah, that's crazy. Her being like, he said about Mason all because like she didn't get picked. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy her being like he said fuck Mason I'm like, I don't believe that for a second Like Alex doesn't look like the person who would say that's his like best friend from the show Like now fuck Mason. The funny thing is she said all this and then the conversations went nowhere Yeah, okay, she said all that and then an immediately cut to Mason and Alex being like, dude There's a lot of like nice fuck buys you present as the good guys who aren't. I mean, no one's more triggered by those types of people, but Alex is not that guy.

Alex is literally just the... No, it's Dave. Dave is just... Dave's just kind of lame. Dave is a guy who thinks he's funny, he's not funny. Well, yeah. But also, yeah, I don't think Alex is that guy. And Madison is trying so hard.

Like, I feel like the reunion is gonna be so messy because she's gonna come in and be insane. I was like, even- I can't wait. I'm surprised that she didn't go as mental on the Meg and Mason showing up together too. Cause I'm like, I feel like that should have been like, you did everything to sabotage that relationship and they still ended up together?

And I end up with no one. That's why she was trying to talk shit about Meg like trying to reach out to Alex because it's like, that's her trying again to like ruin that relationship with Mason. Mary, I know your dad's a pastor. Does he ever video it in? What does that mean?

Like phone it in? No. Like zoom it? I'm not, listen, your religion is your religion. I grew up Catholic, so, and listen, my religion has its flaws. We are aware of my religion's flaws. But like, you know, Justin grew up Catholic.

Oh, are you talking about Ben? Yeah. Yes. The video audio. Okay, so there's a, during COVID, there was a live stream version of church that like people can watch. My dad would never show up on a Zoom screen instead of going to church.

Natalie and I went home to Savannah a couple years ago with Natalie and it was like, I don't know, some Baptist, I don't know, something. She took me to a service. It was a Christian, lovely, lovely people there. Very commercialized, yes. There was a band on stage, very much like this. Then there was a big screen and then they pressed play.

And there was a sermon. And I'm sorry, like, listen, and maybe this is the Catholic in me, but like, if my pastor's showing up in a hoodie in true religion jeans and he's on a video screen. What can this man tell me about God that I don't already know? I'm not at church.

Like, could I just go to a Starbucks and be like, what do you think about Jesus Christ? I completely agree. My dad, so like my dad's a Lutheran pastor. The type of Lutheran that he is, is a very, Lutheranism is probably the closest to Catholicism, just without the, it's just way more chill, but it's still very, the liturgy is classic. It's like you're lighting the candles, people will dress, he's wearing the robe, he has a suit. He takes a seat, he went to seminary for four years. He's not wearing the robe. He is not, or he has a suit. Like he is, he takes a seat. He went to, he went to seminary for four years.

Not wearing Jordans. At least give me a golf polo. Yeah. Khakis in a golf polo. Like, and that's, that's his, if he, he will do that occasionally on like a very casual thing, but he's usually wearing a robe. I really did think the, like the zoom in was just a Southern thing. I've seen that like, honestly, all over the church churches was just a Southern thing. I've seen that like honestly all over the churches

in the South of it. And it is like a, it'll be like a big pastor from Texas and he's like preaching to this small church. It's giving mega church. You know, yeah. Yeah. It couldn't even be there. Yeah.

If I was Sarah. That's hard. Yeah. It's hard. The own pastor couldn't even show up. He's bringing his girlfriend to like his big thing, you know, like I'm a father of Christ. That's true.

And it brings her to, and it's like a- The big reveal was like- The big reveal, a guy in a hoodie on a TV screen. When I saw that, it truly sent a chill up my spine, I will say. I respect her though. She's like, you know what, I'll be there like for the holidays, for the special events,

but like, you know, I don't know if this is for me. I'm not mocking your religion. I am mocking the holidays, for the special events, but I don't know if this is for me. I'm not mocking your religion. I'm mocking anyone who, like the people who are too fucking lazy to show up and look nice and talk about their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If you look like you just got a coupon from the Gap, I don't need you talking to me about like-

I like Gap. I will say it was- But for your pastor? Sure. I will say it was- But for your pastor? Sure. I will say it was kind of fucked up for them to give the men the... Bachelor party? What was the bachelor party?

They went to the Vikings. Yeah, the Vikings. And the women was like, everyone dressed up like old people. Like... Yeah. They always do this. They always do.

The girls were the lamest bachelor at parties. It's like the men get to go to a game and we get pop-up tents for our grown asses to sit in and wigs and canes, like thanks. Do you guys? But do you remember last season when it was like the weird like tent pop-ups in a circle and it's like, do you expect grown ass women

to sleep in those? Yeah. They always, they need to up that. I hated the prenup conversation between Devin and Virginia. He signed it though. No, he did, but it made it seem so dark and kind of icky about it.

I don't have a problem with Virginia Asker at all. I wish, listen, if you wanna make a relationship of any kind work, especially a marriage, it's about now that I don't know what each other is going to do two years from now, one day I could wake up and just stop giving a shit. I could stop waking up every day and making my wife and my kid and my family a top priority.

People do that all the fucking time. And to make a relationship work, it goes way further than just saying I do and we're saying a bunch of promises the day you get married. You every day kinda have to almost internally renew your vows to yourself and your partner and show up for them.

And a lot of people stop showing up. And like if you have something to lose, especially marrying someone you don't really know, you have like Devin and like I don't fault him because I get where he's coming from, but I wish it was articulated in a way that way. It's like, well, what am I supposed to say in my family when they ask? Like, no one plans to get divorced, you know? But like,

no one plans for their partner to like become a different person or lose interest or like have like a weird like middle-aged kind of like crisis or whatever, or like, you know, some past trauma from their life like sneaks up on them that they haven't resolved. I don't fucking know. Yeah. But like. some past trauma from their life like sneaks up on them that they haven't resolved. I don't fucking know. Yeah. But like. It's like health insurance. You're not required to have it, but like,

it's nice to know that if something were to happen, I'm looking at a copay versus looking at a full price receipt. And 50 years ago, people literally didn't get divorced. You were like ostracized from your community if you got divorced. So you just like muscled through life. Uh-huh, miserable.

You're like miserable and just had a secret life. Now you don't have to do that. So if you believe divorced, so you just like muscled through life. Uh-huh, miserable. You're like miserable and just had a secret life, now you don't have to do that. So if you believe in divorce, and I'm assuming Devin in Virginia, I don't mean believe because everyone's like, I'm never gonna get divorced, but like. It exists, it's a. But like don't say it's not a possibility

if like you're not like somehow legally not allowed to do it. You know, like clearly it's an option, it's not an option you want to consider. You wanna do everything in your power to avoid that, for sure, of course, but like. Let's not be delusional that that's not a possibility in the realms of reality. It only is invoked if the unforeseeable happens.

That is literally what it's all about. And the way that's framed is if like she's going into this planning on getting a divorce, no, she is doing this because she's like, if you fucking change motherfucker, if you do some shit that I don't know about, what's last season? Ashley. Ashley and Tyler.

Came in here and rode for her guy, her husband, and like rode for him and all these other rumors out there about kids and we still didn't even know the truth and she told everyone to shut the fuck up and I know my man and now all of a sudden they're getting fucking divorced. And I don't know if there's a pre-nub,

but like she trusted someone that clearly she realized that maybe she shouldn't have trusted him as much as she should have. We wanna believe in people, but like this whole idea that like it is like a negative for Virginia to ask for this when she's a little bit more established than Devin, I don't know. I do think that it's kind of crazy that she's even being villainized for it

because I feel like all of these couples that are planning on moving forward with marriage, you should have a prenup in place because you only have known this person for 30 days. She's the only one with a brain in this cast in Virginia. You get married on TV. Yeah, when the cameras go away and it's just the two of us, are you the same person that I fell in love with in the pods?

Are you the same person that was in this experiment knowing that you were filmed 24 seven? Monica's sister, like for like 30 seconds, I was like, oh, she came around. I was a little too harsh on her. And then it was like, no she she still is so fucking bitter She absolutely hates this. Oh, she was biting her tongue so hard, but she tried she liked him she tried No, and it was just more like yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, you seem cool but then like she's still like passive digs and having her take the photos the engagement photos like and then having that conversation was iconic though

it was better than the photo shoot that Daniel and Taylor had. That was brutal. They seem cute though. I'm actually rooting for them. They seem really good for each other. No, I like them together too. Who do we think is gonna work out? Who says I do?

I think Taylor and Daniel say I do. I don't think they do. Really? I do not think. I think if she does, she's leaving him in five years for someone taller. She's gonna find out that he was the one that followed her. I hope not.

This is all speculation, I have no clue. I'm actually rooting for them. I haven't heard anything in the pipeline. I think Sarah and Ben will say yes. I do too. Okay, I think Monica and Joey, and I think Taylor and Daniel, or no, Virginia and Devin, but I don't think the other two. Monica and Joey and I think Taylor and Daniel. Virginia and Devin, but I don't think the other two.

Monica and Joey don't end up together. I'm not sold on Virginia and Devin. In the teaser, there's a clip of her being like, huh, right before like- I feel like we have to cut that spoiler alert. It's not a spoil. In the teaser, you see her hesitate before saying I do. But that could be editing.

That could be just an edit. It could, but I'm believing it. Justin, you are such a sucker. Yeah. He's such a sucker for the edit. I was like, did you not watch Hometown Zed Bachelor? I was like, mm, all the things that Justin, you are such a sucker. Yeah. Such a sucker for the edit. I was like, did you know what hometowns did, Bachelor? I was like, all the things that I was waiting for did not happen.

True. So what are our final predictions? Who says yes then? Devin and Virginia, Sarah and Ben. You guys think Taylor and Daniel. I think Monica and Joey. Monica and Joey. Honestly, like, is that all of them?

Like, okay. I think Devin and Virginia will. I want one person to leave the altar. Sarah definitely, Sarah. Sarah and Ben. Ben, they definitely don't, she says. I don't think and Virginia will. I want one person to leave the altar. Sarah definitely, Sarah. Sarah and Ben? Ben, they definitely don't, she says. I don't think they do either. The sisters were preying on her downfall.

I don't think Taylor and Daniel will. I do think Monica and Joey will, and I do think Virginia and Devon will. I have a hard time seeing Taylor and Daniel. I feel like she's gonna say no. You think so? There's a clip of a blonde woman crying, walking back to the car after being on the aisle.

That has to be her, right? There's Sarah. What could be Sarah? But like in my head, it's Taylor. I mean, Sarah's got a lot going against their relationship too. I know, well, we will find out soon enough. Up next, Taylor Green.

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Good to be back. We're so happy to have you. This has been such a fun season. Good. For us. It was kind of a slow start. It was a slow start. I think it's getting a little bit more.

When we first started watching your show, I hope the rest of the cast is okay with me saying, I don't mean your show, the show that you're on. It's Craig's show. It's Craig's show. Craig's show. It kind of is the guys' show. I mean, even Miss Patricia says that.

She's like, it really is a guys' show. The girls are replaceable. I was like, we all were kind of like, oh, thanks. That was nice. That was the first time where it's kind of shifting a bit because the guys are not really bringing it and the women are, but this show and Vanderpump really was kind of centralized around three or four guys

that are consistently creating chaos. I call them low character people. There you go. Honestly, the only reason I came back this year was to fix things with the women of the group, so I really don't care what's going on with the guys. How do you feel like that's going? We are all in a really good place.

Obviously, it's very unfortunate that Olivia is not back this season. I was really upset about that, honestly, but she had reached out to me and so we got to talk a little bit. Obviously I've kept in touch with her just based on her being engaged and she's doing some fun stuff with a YouTube channel.

And obviously her brother's birthday was just this past February. So I reached out, just we stay in touch like that. Which is really nice. But it seems like you're not like what you used to be. No, I don't think that we'll, I mean, she's in Charlotte now, I think. Oh, she moved.

She moved, yeah. Does she still not believe you? I have no idea, but her reaching out to me and that text message, she just seemed to be like, let's let bygones be bygones. I am here for you as a friend. And she actually was reaching out, kind of warning me about a certain newcomer.

So, who? Who? Who? Yeah, I think y'all know. Sally? Yeah. So Olivia had previously known Sally? She doesn't know her, but she is from the same town.

So she was like, I just want you to know I've heard a lot of things about this person. I don't know her personally, but just be aware. And I was like, I appreciate you. She has an interesting reality TV track record as someone who almost went on The Bachelor and then almost went on Bachelor in Paradise. Now is on, yeah. It was an interesting run. It was on something charm. I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think

that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think

that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that, I mean, to be completely honest, the first time I actually officially met her was on camera. At her little gathering. No, this was, it didn't air, but we don't get to see it, but it was, we had a little girls night, and a lot of this stuff that we did with the women of the group, you don't get to see much of it.

And that was like what was really important for me and why I was returning. It felt like this newcomer came in and leveraged like my fractured relationship with these girls to like one up herself and then keep me in the fire and be like, oh, and by the way, she's not only a shitty friend, but like she's dating this horrible guy. And it was just like one thing after another

that she was just trying to- That's that guy we're talking about. Yeah. He's so horrible. He's in the room Gaston, handsome guy. He's in the room with his really cute niece on top of his ass. Yeah, really cute niece. So did you, I guess whenever you heard that Sally was joining the show,

were you aware of her previous fling with your boyfriend Gaston? I was. Yeah, I had known of her just because I had my friends say that she was talking about me at Republic. And I was like, wait, who is this? And I said, oh, the girl that's hooking up with Joe and amongst a few other people on that cast. And so I was like, I don't know this person. I obviously had known that there was a past fling there,

but she had every intention of coming on this season to drag his name. And she did just that. So that was really fun to deal with. After she had already told me, like, hey, I have no ill will towards you or Gaston. I'm glad that you're happy. Cause I just heard things in the rumor mill

that she was coming on to do just that. And so I confronted her about it before we started filming and lo and behold, it was everything that. What did she say when you confronted her? Oh, she said, I have no ill will towards you guys. Like I'm happy for you and Gaston. And my only one thing that I have against you

is that you said something nasty about me around town. And that was the, I was like, I did. I don't know you. And that was the, I was like, I did. And I'm like, I don't know you. And that was the hooker comment. And I was like, I've never called anyone a hooker. I was like, I'm pretty sure it's like, whatever. It's all 1995. It just doesn't sound like it.

Yeah, that is so data. You're such a hooker. It's a vintage of you. Yeah, it's very vintage of me. It's slut. Yeah, it's a slut now. No, I was, yeah. So was that just a rumor that she heard

that you said or something? I get, I mean, she came out with another one at Reunion and I don't, I mean, like it was pretty horrible. I was like, oh my gosh. She was like, you called me a hooker and that I got ink bangs. And I was like, what? I was like, where are you hearing?

I've never, I was like, I don't talk about you. Like I just, I don't. I mean, here I'm talking about it right now, but like I don't talk about you. I I just, I don't. I mean, here I'm talking about it right now, but like I don't talk about you. I've never used the word hooker or. Wait, so at the reunion she. Accuses you of saying something like that? Another, I think that she just says things

to like, roll me up, so. That is a weird thing to platform a rumor about yourself. I think it's a part of her manipulation tactic. That's my depiction of it. Yeah. So I feel like we saw. I was like. How many?

I don't know. I should ask her. That is crazy. I was like, I don't know. I feel like we saw at, so like y'all had this conversation. You heard she was going to be on the show off camera. You kind of meet up and you're like, or was this on camera? No, this was off camera.

It was before we started filming. Okay. Yeah. I messaged her. And she was like, I wish nothing but the best for you two. And then on camera, she switches up and starts like talking a lot of shit about Gaston, talking some shit about you, saying,

Nick's like worst, the thing he hates the most that people say is, nobody here likes you. Or what is it? Some version of like, when people like tell other people about you, when Sally said to you about like, you're a bad friend. I was told not to trust you. Yeah, I was told not to trust you.

It's like, who are they? When people bring up they, as like some group of people. Who? Who? Everyone says that about you. You know what I'm saying? Right.

Like, huh? I fucking hate that. I know what I'm saying? Right. Like, huh? Like, I fucking hate that. I know, I do. I like to see them like, who? Like, show me the proof of this. And again, that's just where it was like, she was leveraging my fractured friendships to drag myself, my relationship.

Like, it was really unfortunate because I had worked so hard to get to a better place coming into this season after everything that went down last season on the show and in my personal life. And this person over here, Gaston, has been like a huge part in my healing process and my healing journey. And so to have someone come in and just like try to absolutely tear that down,

like with everything inside of her was really tough to navigate. And I tried to just like let it go, but it's hard when they're constantly. You also wanna protect the people that you love. And like, I definitely turn into like a huge bitch and a very like mama bear energy if someone tries to come for Nick,

especially like in front of my face. So I honestly respect you so much for like keeping the peace as much as you did. I mean to sit there like to have the whole like JT bring up this whole like Sally like What was that rumor again? It was like It was the worst.

I mean, yeah. Well, I know he was going down. Who would say that? JT That little man's funny. I think he said something, I don't watch it, but you said something along the lines of like that I had an affair with Sally with my past relationship, which is just a funny way of saying things. But it was an ex girlfriend, it didn't happen and they just kind of like, and it backfired on them because then Sally turned on them and it's like, you're just staying your lane.

Like you got enough worry about with Vanita and what you got going on. Like just relax. That's true. Where do you stand with JT? You just smar me. We are not, I don't respect him at all. I mean, I just think that he's trying to grab at something

and he's doing it in a really dirty way. Yeah, like really doing Vanita dirty. Yeah. I mean, honestly, doing all the women in a really dirty way. Yeah, like really doing Vanita dirty. Yeah. I mean, honestly, doing all the women dirty, it feels like. Yeah, it's like he, and he didn't show up a lot this year, all last year, preach, stand up, be a man, like own whatever you have and he would just run away. Like every, he would run away and I'm speaking the truth

and we just, I was like, well, you're doing it, you're not speaking the truth. First of all, you're grasping at something. And that's what I feel like a lot of people, not a lot, but some people on that cast are just wanting so badly to be relevant. I think he's one of those people. What do you make of the relationship between JT and Benita? Like seeing how it played out on camera versus like in real life?

I was completely like, I had no idea that that was a thing. I just thought that they were good friends. I wasn't until afterwards or after we had wrapped filming that they had kind of, I guess, tried some things out or like went on a couple of dates and here and there. And then when I heard that, I was like, I need to talk to Bea about this. Like, what's going on?

Did you know he had a girlfriend? No, nobody knew. And then he talked about it on camera and we were like, wait, you have a girlfriend? Was he acting like he had a girlfriend or was his behavior, he never really talked about her. Like if you were his girlfriend, how would you feel about his behavior?

I would tell him to go kick rocks. Excuse me? I don't care if you're trying to do it for the show or not. That's not. Because she is this mysterious woman spoken out. I mean, apparently called Venita a rat. Yeah. Yeah, it was right when the trailer dropped.

She kind of. Oh, shit. And I don't know that. We kind of know her. My friend works with her at a gym. I think Larry works with her at a gym. I think Lara works with her at a gym, but I don't really know the girl, so I haven't really been able to get her side.

Well, JT seems like he's good at playing both sides. So I'm sure he's giving her some versions. He's good at that. I mean, I'm sure, and I do see the frustration on his end because it's like, we weren't in that room, we know that there's editing, but Craig swears by a lot of things that JT says, and then we don't have any of that proof.

And Shep is also like corroborating, being like, I didn't hear any of that. So where do you land on the whole, like Patricia's a bitch, and I, Madison like wanted, or Brett thought Madison and I were having an affair. I think that, yeah, I think that Craig can embellish. I mean, he can embellish the truth.

What does that mean? I think that he hears one thing and he just wants to go with it. So he's like, let's up the ante a little bit. Let's run with this one. Make it a little bit more interesting and say it was bitch. But where you cross-line between just lying.

I mean, what's the difference between embellishing the truth and making up a story? Like Sally, the gang bang accus making up a story like Sally, like the gang bang accusation sounds like. Yeah, where did that start? Now I escalate it to this. Is he doing stuff like that or is he embellishing the breakup?

I honestly don't, we talked about that at reunion to exhaustion, I think everyone on the couch was pretty much asleep. What's your take? Again, just kind of stay out of it. My only take on that is that when Paige was asking him to say something about the cheating rumors, he doesn't owe her that.

I don't think he owes her that. She broke up with him and he doesn't owe her. He didn't start the rumor. So he's like, that's not on me. I didn't go around starting this rumor that you cheated on me. Why do I have to stand up when you broke my heart? I had a ring for you and now I'm having to go,

oh, she didn't cheat on me. He's like, no, you broke my heart and I don't owe that to you. So like a breakup is a breakup. You kind of part ways and you don't owe each other anything anymore. Kind of going off of that last season, obviously there was the season premiere you had said to Craig, like,

well, what about your girl cheating on you? Were there rumors just circulating around Charleston about that? Or like, where did that come from? That rumor, and it was very early on in their relationship. Allegedly, this is all alleged. I do still regret saying that it was just a rumor that was going around BravoCon.

Yeah, and it was just like, and people were chatting about it. And so I repeated the rumor in that moment and I'm the type of person where if I, I don't like to repeat rumors unless I have facts and proof. So I was like, I was hurt in that moment. I apologize for saying it. I didn't, and I take it back.

But again, still just a rumor. Okay. Yeah. Have you seen Sienna going live, or all the TikTok she's posting, like trying to like expose the truth about her time on the show and her relationship with Chef? I think I saw one, it was like part one.

I haven't kept up with the trilogy of her lives or whatever they are. Yeah, I think I saw part one again. I didn't really, I wasn't paying attention to that whole situation and maybe I should have a little bit more, but I was only on that trip to be with the girls. Like I was really just, we had this ball rolling

and I was like, let's keep it going. Like, I feel really good with the women and I just wanna keep it there. I don't care about what's going on or like, Sienna and Shep and whatever. So, but looking back at it all, I look kind of stupid because from my experience with him, I'm going, this is your fault.

Like, you're the one probably ruining this relationship and in reality is like the other way around. I was like, oh, I look kind of stupid. It makes me look like I'm jealous or something. I was like, no, I'm not. I could be the furthest thing from jealous in this moment. Truly. Yeah, it's just you not knowing the like details of it

and just assuming of like who you know Shep to be. What did you make of, sorry for talking about her accent. But what did you make of kind of Shep's behavior in the sense that it seemed a little out of pocket for him to kind of melt the way he did and act that way. Was this, do you think a product of just like a guy for the first time, like not getting what he wanted and the way that he wanted it

and that he was more uncomfortable with that versus like, this is not the Shep that we seem to have gotten to know. This kind of like, kind of nothing serious, you know, whatever, everything's a joke, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All of a sudden he's talking about freckles and like their love. And it's just like to the point where it's just

like, Whoa, you're getting a little creepy. Yeah. Like, I mean, yeah, it was, it was, it's weird watching that being like, this is not what I'm you say, he doesn't take life seriously. And so that's where I'm going, you're not taking life seriously. And this girl probably is trying to take life

seriously and you put her in this little bubble and that's not like you're confining her to this space and like that there's much more to this person but yeah to actually see him like breaking down I think it is like Shep got Shep so. Do you think this experience, I mean do you think it was real or do you think any part of it was him just like leaning in for the sake of the show? I'll give Shep that what you see is what you get.

Okay. Yeah. And do you think this experience will teach him anything? That's a good question. Maybe, I mean, you can. Cause he definitely. You might be able to teach old dog new tricks. I don't know.

Maybe. Listen, we all need vulnerable moments. We all need to feel embarrassed or be embarrassed, humbled at times. Sheps is on television. I'm not trying to like shit on him, but like that was a bad beat for him. Like he really was just like, ooh, God, shit.

You know, like. Yeah, he took it. Yeah, but I'm just wondering if he will learn, you know. I think at the end of the day, he'll be just fine. He kind of. Sure, I mean, fine. I feel like guys in general do this. They like turn their emotions off

and they just kind of keep going with life. And so I think that's probably just what he'll do. Would you support him and Molly or are you kind of like, I don't want Molly to get involved with that? No, I love Molly. And as you guys got to meet her a little bit, she is like somebody naturally gravitated towards

just because she is very cool, calm, collected. She's not like in the drama. She's also someone like what you see is what you get. I mean, I don't know, I would never encourage someone to be with the person that I was with, but I don't know where Shep is today. I mean, I hope that he's like growing into his own and becoming, I guess, figuring out life a little bit more.

So. It's not your place to. Yeah, I'm kind of like, I'm not gonna sit there and be like, you're gonna be like, you can't date my ex. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna be that person. I'm very happy in my relationship. So I'm like, go ahead. What's the future of you being on the show look like?

Because you mentioned you just kind of came back for the women, it feels like whatever you accomplished, maybe that job is done. Obviously with Shep being your ex, like clearly there is a challenge and rightfully so of like navigating being part of this group. And then like obviously, you know, like the ex storyline, but I'm guessing it's more of a thing

than you wish it would be. Like how do you see your future with this show going? And also having someone like Sally who wants to be you. Attack your current relationship. Like is it worth going through that again? I mean, obviously like knowing more of what I know now, I just, it's very frustrating.

I don't like to put myself in those situations, but yeah, it's a great question because I just do wanna have that time and moment with Olivia, which I have, it's obviously not on camera, but that's what the viewer wants. And I don't think that I'll be getting that moment. And that's the only reason that I came back was to like end on a good note

and be able to move past everything. So you think it might be done? I don't know. Would you jump ship to Southern hospitality? That would make more sense because I do actually hang out with those people. Those are people I've known for a very long time, even before they started Southern hospitality. I knew TJ and Brad and Emmy and Will and all of them.

So it would make more sense. But I have not been there. So talk to me more sense, but I have not been able to. Talk to me about TJ. Yeah. He seems real toxic to me. He likes to show her pot. Gaston was his roommate for a year and a half. A year and a half?

A year and a half, yeah. I didn't say he has no redeeming qualities. I love TJ. I can see how that, people are like, oh, he's a pot stirrer. And I think that he is the type of person who does bring facts to the table. And he will, like, if he's gonna say something,

he's gonna have a reason as to why he said it or back it up. And I mean, I'll always try to have his back in his hands. I was just a little uncomfy with the whole Joe conversation. It was, that was a very uncomfortable conversation. Was he blacked out or is he not blacked out? And if he's blacked out, I'm like, what are we talking about here?

That was really tough for me as a friend to watch that because seeing TJ get very emotional, he's just not an emotional person. And I think that it was just maybe downplayed. That whole situation was downplayed a little bit. So he's getting emotional about it. And it was, it's a very, how do you navigate a conversation like that?

It's, it can be very uncomfortable. So, but I think that there will be more answers to that at their reunion. Okay. Yeah. But you stand by them. I'll stand by them always. Okay. Yeah.

And you're, are you super close with Emmy and Will as well? Cause there, your name got brought up last episode with TJ and Emmy having a little confrontation. Yeah, yeah. I saw that and I was like, wait. Did I say that? Well, I did. But yeah, no, I've known Emmy and Will, I know Emmy more, better, just because she,

when we started to get to know each other, we were actually in London with Will and Emmy two years ago. And it was right before season one was about to air, and I said, just let you know, y'all's relationship is going to be under fire. Y'all are gonna get painted out to be this cute little couple, the fun couple that works together, but in due time, it will happen. And I was like, y'all just have to be prepared.

Don't do anything stupid, but of course, their whole situation, I think that Emmy could've handled it better, but I think that Emmy could have handled it better. But I think that she just was in defense mode. Like what she had been through going near, being in long distance relationship, he's in law school, he's under a lot of stress. So she's just trying to protect him in that relationship

because they made it. Like they got through the first year and it felt like everyone was trying to come in and attack her. In reality, they're just going, we're just checking in on you. So she saw the attack, not the concern. With the rumors, like, flying around about Will

for multiple seasons at this point, like, what do you make of it as somebody who also has been in a relationship and probably heard rumors and whatnot outside of it? Do you believe, like, where there's smoke, there's fire? Or do you think that there's a group of lawyers that are bullying Will? I don't know about that, about a group of lawyers bullying, but I don't, I mean, I don't know, well, guess when I went to law school or were there a bunch

of bullies in law school? I don't know. Bullies might be a strong word, but I just feel like people in law school would like might tease. Or also like, you know, being on a reality TV show, depending on who you ask, like is a door for people to criticize you. Absolutely. Depending on your community.

Yeah, I think that's reality TV stars have, we have- Risen up. We have leveled up in terms of our credibility, but I still think we're, you know, we're punching bags for people sometimes to like, oh my God. Yeah, I'm sure they don't take you very seriously maybe. Well, back to my question. Do you think that there's some,

like do you think that Emmy's doing the right thing by saying no to these rumors or do you think Emmy should be addressing the rumors and not getting defensive? I think there could have been a conversation instead of just because, and there might have been, it just wasn't seen, but to just come in and say, no, it didn't happen.

To the viewer, to the people listening, they're going, you're just saying no, did you have a conversation? And so yeah, I think that there, I'm sure there was, but it needs like, just have a conversation. Where are these rumors coming from and why? And then, okay, let's put it aside. I mean, I do think it is hard

because it's like Austin's ex-girlfriend who could be his current girlfriend's like brother's sister's friend, her, and it's like, okay. Or Emmy and Will at the reunion? Will doesn't show up. Yeah, Will's not, he's like in the back room, but Emmy's the only one.

But it's on TV. He was there. Yeah, he was there. Why didn't he show up? They teased it as Andy Cohen saying, well, Will's not here, so he's not on the show anymore. No, I mean, he was at the studio, but he was not on stage.

So I don't know why the reasoning for that would be. I really, I didn't even ask. Maybe the bully lawyers got him. Holding him in the back in the locker. You remember his swirly. This year of Southern hospitality has been good. It's been entertaining. I think you jump ship.

I think you join Southern hospitality. I don't know if I wanna join the dark side. What else have you been doing in your life? You watching anything fun? We just started watching SEAL Team. SEAL Team. SEAL Team. AJ Buckley actually lives in Charleston.

He and his wife and their three kids. So we've met them. We go, we watched his kid do a little band thing at Windjammer. So that's been really fun. But then obviously White Lotus. Yep. Obviously.

Been loving that one. We've only watched two episodes. Third episode came out last night. Came out last night. Okay, well. Get on it. You also have your brand. I know, you've got my sweatshirt on. I really out last night. Okay. Get on it. You also have your brand. I know you've got my sweatshirt on.

I love it. In terms of swag gifts that we get, it's a nice little oversize. I love that. Yeah, thank you. It's not too thick. It's a nice like medium sweat. Yeah.

I know I've got, this is our Simone set. So I've been very busy. The Simone, this is named after Simone Bile. That's my middle name. Oh, it is? I didn't even press for that, too. Okay, yeah, actually we named after you. But yeah, so we've been very busy with that.

We've got some pop-ups coming up in Baltimore. My business partner is in Baltimore and I'm in Charleston, obviously. So it's kind of nice being in two different places on the East Coast that are in between like the Florida, Keys, Miami area and then New York. Yeah. Yeah, so it's been really fun.

It's kept me busy and I know we'll see where it goes. Well, now you have to come back next season so we can at least promote the brand. I know, right? Yeah, I know TJ's got his Sir Weiner's. It's been doing really well. Really? Yeah, I know. Well, I'm gonna have to tell him to send you guys some swag because it's fun. Sir Weiner's? Yeah, his know TJ's got his sir wieners. It's been doing really well. Really? Yeah, I know.

I'm gonna have to tell him to send you guys some swag because it's fun. Sir wieners? Yeah, his hot dog cart. His hot dog cart, yeah. What kind of hot dogs? All beef? Yes, I think there's, it might be a bratwurst.

Remember the bratwurst one? I think it's called the worst one is the bratwurst. Does he have a kabasa? No. He's gonna get a little fancy with the meats, but there's a one with peanut butter on it. It's my favorite sausage. So all the hot dogs have, they're named after some of the cast members

and the one with peanut butter on it is like Emmy. Is he working the stand? Is he behind there slinging the dogs? Yep. Junk. Emmy licked peanut butter off of someone's junk. Yeah, so that's where that one came from. Who did? Emmy. I think it's where that one came from. Who did?

Emmy. I think it's in season one that they talk about it. Yeah, we didn't know. So, but that one's the best one. That's the best hot dog. Someone's balls? With something like that. You've never licked balls before?

The PB wiener time. Wouldn't you prefer the peanut butter? And that one's the best one. You'd rather have no peanut butter. Yes, with peanut butter on it. It's so good. With the pretzel roll? Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah, so next time we're in Charl Yes, with peanut butter on it. It's so good. With the pretzel roll? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, so next time we're in Charleston, come to Lamar's, we'll get Leva to hook us up and we'll get TJ to hook us up with a wiener doll. Next time, someone gets married. I definitely don't need extra things in my mouth when I'm trying to do an EJ.

I don't need to like... I'm not thinking you're pausing me, can I get some peanut butter? But I'm just saying if peanut butter was there. No, that's just extra things I have to, like peanut butter is so sticky. You know how long that's in your mouth for? Like you're like, yeah.

It's like a dog. Constantly, yeah. It's like that's peanut butter that's in their mouth. You're giving me too much work right now. I'm a choker or something, yeah. Why was there peanut butter? Is this a dare?

Was it a dare? I don't, I have no, I think I asked her about it and forgot what she said. I think she was just like, we were just being stupid. It was like in college or something silly. Do we see like marriage with Gaston or? Naila, do you wanna answer that? Yeah.

Okay. How long you guys been dating? Year and a half. Oh wow. Oh, congrats. Thank you. That must get so annoying though, even like bringing up Shep,

just because in TV time, like it's just, it feels like you guys like just broke up. You've been dating someone else for a year and a half. And we were broken up for over a year before I even started dating him. Wait, you haven't been dating Shep for two and a half years? That's crazy. Yeah.

I know people are like, she moved on so fast. It was over a year that I was single. And then I met him and yeah, well, I guess we've already known each other, but we reconnected. I always, cause I give reality TV stars, especially in the Bravo sphere, like so much credit because it's like, you do go through such a dramatic summer maybe three months or whatever.

And then you have a year to forget about it, recover, and then all of a sudden it's like airing now, let's go through your trauma. Yeah, exactly. People think it happened last week, right? This was a year ago, this all happened a year ago. But like, how does it feel to prepare for a reunion like that, because it's like, you know,

you're gonna be asked questions in a way that's like, as if this happened yesterday, but you're like going off of emotions that you're trying to replay by rewatching. Right. Like how does the reunion go down in a sense? Because I feel like it's so passionate too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's hard when you're, I guess, in it. Like if you're still trying to recover from it or whatever, it can be very emotional. But I think this year, I was so just over it. it and like I'm in such a better and more healthier place that I just was like, bring it on. I was like, go ahead, this is all dumb.

It's all done and said with so. Have you ever skipped episodes or like? I fast forward. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, this is boring. It's like the Austin and Craig of it. Oh my gosh, all are fighting over a stupid podcast. Are they really fighting?

I think so. I don't think they're doing the podcast anymore. I don't, we started listening to it one time on the way home from one of the trips, like a few years ago, and we're in the car. It was like me and Vanita and I think maybe someone else. And I was like, why are we listening to their stupid voices? We just had to listen to them all weekend.

Just like, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap. And now we're- It's called Pillows and Beer, because Craig makes pillows. No, I understand the name. Yeah. What was it about though? Oh, I don't even remember.

Just like their last- I mean, I'll give it. There's some things that are funny and goofy, but I don't know. They're like- Their last episode was January 6th with Spencer Pratt. Oh, of this year? Of this year, January 6th. They're like, their last episode was January six with Spencer prop of this year of this year. January six. Well, maybe they're still doing it.

It's March 3rd. All right. No, so they, they brought it back after the fake cancellation. There is some speculation about, uh, Sally and Craig, obviously they were like seen at no boo or something in New York. Like, and then I took it as like,

oh, it's two coworkers in the same place. And then she went on Watch What Happens Live and was asked about it and played really coy and was kind of like, we had a chaperone. I feel like that's so Sally. It definitely is. It definitely is very Sally coded. To my knowledge, I'm pretty sure she's like dating someone.

So, oh, okay. And sure she's like dating someone. Oh, okay. And so it's giving JT. Yeah, it is. Yeah, I mean, I've said that I said, you just just wait. I was like, you think JT is bad. Do we find out at the reunion whether or not JT has left the show officially since he announced it like five months ago?

You will. I don't know. Can this fire him? I don't know. Can this fire him? You will see an appearance, but I was like, he better show up because you think I wanted to show up last year? Right. After everything that was going on,

I wanted to crawl into a hole. It was like, you just answered to the questions. Just say you're sorry and let's move forward from this. But he does. He shows up and I can't remember if he gave an explanation to that or not. I think he did, but. I thought that was for next season. I was like, you can't really like quit mid-season

while it's like before it airs or whatever. Yeah, that's why I was like, this must be for the next season, right? I haven't looked at my contract, but I'm pretty sure you can't just quit. Quit and then show up to the reunion. Yeah, and then show up to the reunion. So I'm not sure how that went down.

Every time he comes out, I'm like, why are you even here? How did he end up on the show? Who was he friends with? Craig and Austin? I think he gulped. I think he just kind of knew, he knows them in the crowd,

but that was why he was so adamant about being my friend was because he was interviewing. He just strikes me as a guy who you meet and he's like, I'll pick you up at the airport. And he kind of weasels himself into the friend group because he's kind of like, I'll do that. He does a bunch of favors. And you're like, yeah, he seems harmless enough.

And then all of a sudden, you know, this guy who really doesn't belong starts fucking running his mouth. That's, I mean, that is essentially what happened. Like I thought, and of course I'm like, yeah, new friends. Like, oh my gosh, he's so funny. He's like so easy to be around. And few months in he was like,

oh yeah, I'm interviewing for the show. And I was like, oh, awesome. Like that's so exciting. Looking back at it, I'm going, oh, he was just trying to befriend so that he could have like a storyline. And I mean, that's kind of, yeah. I mean, I think it reads.

Always be wary of the new friend you meet who starts offering you a bunch of favors. What was your reaction to seeing Shep of All People have a comment on Gaston's appearance? You're kind of hot. Yeah, he is. Yeah, I mean, especially for putting the two side by side. It's so jarring. Thank you. I just, I mean, I for putting the two side by side. It's so jarring.

We don't have to. No, no, no, but he wanted to shit on Gaston. Oh, 100%. No, I thought it was very middle school. I was like, are we in high school? When Sally and Madison and Paige were sitting there just gossiping and talking, I wanted to jump through the screen.

And by the way, that day that they went to go film at Craig's because I had canceled my birthday party because I was grieving my dead brother on this huge like monumental birthday 30. I'm like, I want to be with my family and my boyfriend and my friends and people who, the only people on that cast that reached out to me on my birthday were Rod, Leva, Vanita, and Molly, of course.

But yeah, nobody was like, hey, you know, happy birthday. Hope you're doing well. I know this is a big, and everyone there knew why I canceled my party. Had nothing to do with him telling me to cancel it. I told Leva that I just can't do, I can't be, I can't do cameras. Not, I just, I need to be with people that know and love me

and genuinely care about me. And then to see what was going on behind the scenes of somebody trash talking my relationship and my person on the day of my birthday that I canceled because I'm grieving my dead brother. I was just like, that was low. And like, Madison, you're gonna talk about, like you talked about JT's looks.

Like you're talking about like, what are you the mean girl? Like that's just, I was like, I, you're gonna talk about, like you talked about JT's looks, like you're talking about like, what are you, the mean girl? Like that's just, I just, I was like, I have no respect. And Leva did say, she's like that whole day, I was going around being like, she canceled her party because she's grieving, like she doesn't want to be around cameras. And everyone knew that, and they still decided to talk about me and my relationship,

which is awesome. Sounds like some people needed a storyline. Yep. Retweet. Are you watching Traders at all? No, and I want to see it because I hear that Tom Sandoval is just cringey as ever. He's great television.

He is great television. He is singing. And then Gabby is hilarious. So I'm like, I need to watch these two. Tom is great television. He is. But I mean, Gabby is hilarious. So I'm like, I need to watch with these two. Tom is great television. He is. But I mean, Gabby is also made for television

and she's hilarious. She ate last episode. Yeah, she is. Yeah, she's funny. I think she definitely watched it. She's just like quirky and funny. Speaking of Tom being entertaining, it was that week that I was here last

that you guys had him on your podcast before me, I think, and you're like, get ready for that one. And that was wild. I was so excited to listen to that episode. We've been talking about getting them back on, but we'll see if- I'm going, Nick gives you a platform to be able to give your side of the story,

and Natalie, and you guys were really, like, we're helping you, we're trying here, Tom, we're trying to help you out here, and he just was like, you know, I did, and you're like, we're helping you, we're trying here, Tom, we're trying to help you out here. And he just was like, you know, and you're like, we're really trying here. We do try, listen. We hope to have them back on. Anything else we wanna plug or promote?

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So we were like. Well, I like this one. Okay, I'm glad you like it. But yeah, we'll get you all some more gear and stuff. Taylor, it's great to see you. Thanks for coming back. Thank you so much for having me again. Always fun chatting with you.

Wishing you the best of luck and maybe Southern hospitality. We'll see what's in the cards. I feel like it's a safer space for you. What role do you play on that show? Cause I don't feel like you're gonna be working. I feel like you're like, I don't. Leva actually just opened up a new daiquiri spot.

Zachary's daiquiris. So that's gonna be like the spot for the summer. I can't wait. She has a little store in the back of it that she wants to get some athletic sets in there with her prints on them. So we're going to see if that like works or whatever. Yeah. You don't have to be working.

You can just be like there. Yeah. Brace Lily. She's not working, but she's on that show. She just shows up to sing in Vegas. Yeah. Grace Lilly. Yeah. She's not working, but she's on that show. That's true. That's true. She just shows up to sing in Vegas. Yeah. Plus her.

Now that girl is made for TV. I tell her, I was like, I'm obsessed with you. She's hilarious. The way I just say it in my head, it's wavy baby. Wavy baby. I was like, I don't even know what that means. I know. But I'll say it.

I mean, I'll, I catch myself saying it too. I'm like, who am I? Who am I? I was always good at chat with you, Taylor. Yes, you guys too. Thank you. All right. Thank you. I have been raving about my Skims bra and underwears

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she always seems as a hard time fitting with her cast of Southern charm. I don't. She really hates Sally. Yeah, I mean, I would too after everything. It's Sally's done, you know. All right, it's hometowns, it's Bachelor. You know what I realized?

What did you realize? Because last week I thought I said they were like, they cut one episode out. Was this the sixth episode of the season? I believe so. My? Yeah one episode out. Was this the sixth episode of the season? I believe so. My? Yeah, episode six. When I was on the show back in the day,

like Hometowns was week nine. They're cutting, they're three episodes shorter, which makes, I mean, it's like how are we at Hometowns? How is Zoe at a Hometown when she doesn't even have a date? But that's not Zoe's fault. It's just like, that's the format of the show. Like it was like all of a sudden we started getting some drama with Carolina and then like, you know,

that should have been a two on one, but like, man, they really like. The chemistry between Zoe and Grant is the most, the hardest thing to watch. There's absolutely nothing there. I mean, that date was brutal. I mean, they didn't spend any time together, you know, and she's introducing. I guess, that date was brutal. I mean, they didn't spend any time together, you know?

And she's introducing. I guess, just like the photo shoot, everything was just like so hard to watch. Like neither of them looked like they really were like into each other. And I wish we would have some like different type of theme for the photo shoot too, cause it feels very forced where it's like,

okay, now we're gonna have the photo of you proposing in case we do do this, we already have it. Yeah. He also didn't say I love you or of you proposing in case we do do this. We already have it. Yeah. He also didn't say, I love you or I'm falling in love with you, does that work? No. It was just, I feel confident. He also didn't give her a one on one.

Confident to send you home next week. Yeah, literally. Well, again, I mean, if they're gonna cut out three episodes, don't take four people to hometowns. If you don't have enough episodes to tell at least four different stories of a relationship we should give a fuck about. Maybe change the format, but like week six? The fact that he's saying right now,

I like Zoe a lot at hometowns is a wild statement to say. And yet she didn't get eliminated, she's top three. And I called it right before it happened. I'm like, Dina's going home. He had to send her home. As soon as her family doesn't show up, she's gone. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of like this.

You know, it's just like, and I really feel for Dina and I say this as someone who also has 10 brothers and sisters like she does. She didn't specify religion, but I'm assuming she's Catholic. She referred to her dad being an ordained deacon, which if you're Catholic, that's like, basically a deacon is like someone who's like super religious, devout, thought about being a priest, but still wanted a family.

And deacons can get married and have kids and they have certain like abilities at a, like a church service to, you know, give us a homily. That's like the sermon or whatever. They're not quite, they're not a priest. They can't like turn the bread and the wine into the body and the like the sermon or whatever. They're not quite, they're not a priest. They can't like turn the bread and the wine into the body and the blood of Christ or whatever. The Eucharist, if you're Catholic,

you know what I'm talking about. But like it's giving Catholic, you know, listen, I'm really disappointed in her parents. How old is she? She's like late 20s, late, she's a lawyer, right? She's a lawyer from Chicago. Like, listen, like now and either way we look at it, we have 18 years.

We have 18 years to raise our kids and teach them character and morals and values and lessons and life. And then, you know, when they're adults, it's up to them to like live their lives. And like, obviously River isn't gonna, like we don't expect or want River to like be a 20 year old and like need our permission to do life. Like, I hope she asks for advice.

I hope she like checks in with us. She'll do things that might disappoint us. We might not have chose for her, but that's part of life. And like, you gotta show up for your kids, you know? And like, I get that her parents don't love this, that she's doing this. I, you know, they don't have to love it to show up for your kid.

But the moment like you, moment you decided for your daughter to ruin her experience because you didn't approve, I don't know, it's just show up, show up for your kid. You don't have to like it. Show up for your kids. You can even, even when you show up, you can be honest. You can be, you don't know what I'm saying, show up and pretend to like it.

We love, we love the parents on this show who don't act like fans and show up and like give a little like caution to their kids and the people and like are just real people. Be that version. Like don't just like not like you, they left their kid on an island and like painted themselves and their family in a light of like, if you don't do what we agree with, we're not going to support you. And I don't know, being super religious isn't an excuse. Not you're against religion to go on TV.

Do we know it's about the religion part? No, but she referenced, my family's very conservative. And traditional. And she was saying how this isn't, they don't approve of the fact that like you're dating 25 other women. So I think it definitely had to do with like that. But she showed up for a show. She went on the show.

She's already on the show. So clearly they didn't love that. And again, like she's not gonna, as a 30, almost 30 year old. She's 31, yeah. As a 31 year old woman, your kids aren't gonna do exactly what you want them to do. You're gonna abandon them?

You're just gonna not show up? You're just gonna be like, no, we're good? Yeah. No one from her family? Like not even one of her siblings was like, I'll be there for her? Yeah, that's tough. And he had to send her home, you know?

Because like clearly, like if your family is not gonna, like they're so against this, I mean, I wouldn't feel comfortable like- Proposing. Proposing or moving forward with a relationship. Like she absolutely had to go. Can they meet off camera? Has that never happened where a family meets with-

I met Rachel Lindsay's dad off camera. That was, you know, he's a federal judge. Her whole family was there. I met her mom on camera. You know you know, like, yeah, there's, that's huge. That's hugely different than her whole family. Just being like, no, we want nothing to do with her. And I, and I did meet her dad and I had an, a real good conversation with him as a federal judge, he wasn't comfortable being on camera, but that has to do with

his like job and you know, whatever that's all about, but like, he very with his job and whatever that's all about. But he very much was there. We were never filmed speaking. He was not part of the show. He wasn't on camera. We had a good conversation with him. I had a great real conversation with him afterwards because obviously he didn't know I wasn't gonna,

he showed up for his daughter. Yeah, so that could have happened in Dina's situation. Yeah, it was like, I really fell for her. Wasn't Melissa Rycroft, who her family didn't wanna participate and then she ended up winning the season. Oh, it's way before my time. On Jason Mesnick's season.

Yeah, who? All right, well. OGD1. You're way too much of a fan. Yeah. I'm sad Dina went home though. I had the biggest crush on her. I definitely thought she was gonna go farther than Zoe. So that was shocking to me.

The fact that Zoe is in top three and she has never really even had, I mean, this was her first one-on-one and it's like they have no chemistry. Zero. Well, it made it easy to figure out who he can't decide between. Yes, we know who his top two is

and I don't think Latia is his. Juliana's my number one. Yeah, she's the number one, right? That's what I think she's gonna win. I don't think soia is as- Juliana is my number one. It's, yeah, she's the number one, right? That's what I think she's gonna win. I don't think so. You change your mind? No, she's always been Team Latia. I'm Team Latia, till I die.

Juliana's a burner up. No, I think- I think Juliana is gonna take it. I think the religion part is- But they, her family was like, we don't care. It was wonderful. As long as you're like a man of God, which he is, his faith is important to him. They're like, that's all we care. They're like, you don't have. As long as you're a man of God, which he is, he says faith is important to him. They're like, that's all we care.

They're like, you don't have to be a Mormon to be in our family. Latia looks like, I said this to Natalie, first of all, what a great round of hometown dates. And just in terms of New York City, Chicago, Wyoming, this beautiful landscape horseback ride. Massachusetts. What's the Julianas? Julianas horseback ride. Massachusetts. It was the Julianas.

Julianas, like whatever. Massachusetts. Lovely family, lovely family. Latia looks like a creature who just came out of the woods on a horse. She looks like a siren. Yeah. Not the creature.

And I say that, no, I meant that in the best possible. Like a mythical creature. A mythical, beautiful creature. Where you're just like, who did this thing come out of the? She looks like she's created by AI. Yeah. She does. She really does. Do we think that there was some form of drama

with one of the two as to why they wouldn't, why they would shelf a Bachelorette this season, or do you think it's just timing? The fact that Hometowns is in week six and not week nine, budget cuts. Like you have, I think, you know, we've heard all this drama and turmoil going on internally at the bachelor franchise.

Like I don't know how grant season has been doing ratings wise. I don't even know how to measure ratings these days with network television when it comes to like, who's watching it live versus streaming and yada yada. It's like yada yada. But clearly like it's not performing what it used to, how it used to perform.

They have more and more competition. Every time a love competition show, Love is Blind or Love Island pops off, doesn't even matter if it's not being aired at the same time. It's just like you're losing out to some competition. It's hard to watch Love Island, and then come back to like the very vanilla format that is The Bachelor, and like The Bachelor is one

of the most, I mean, between them and Survivor, like no one will ever replicate what The Bachelor franchise has done in terms of longevity and legacy, and just, you know, there's something about being a bachelorette or a bachelor that like supersedes like just being one of many, you know, on Love is Blind or Love Island or whatever, but like they're just, they're not keeping up.

They're just, they're not, and maybe the network part of element of it all matters. It will be really interesting to see what Paradise looks like this summer. Do they make meaningful changes? Are those changes seen as cool, unique, different, something that's game changing, or does it look like a copycat version of other shows

like Love Island that have worked and like, you know. Like when they did cost some more for Paradise. Yeah, but they're still limited to, the problem with this franchise is, just like we've experienced with some of the ladies that we've interviewed, there's like, there clearly was this like, wanting to become an influencer famous,

and like there's been a lot of very successful people from, who've come out of Badger Nation, and they've done very well for themselves, and they made a meaningful, at least temporary career, from what they've been able to do, and it's network television, it's very safe, it's very kind of vanilla, it's very safe, it's very kind of vanilla,

everyone's very not wanting to ruffle feathers, villains are villainized for doing literally nothing on the show, like interrupting whatever, versus like the shit and drama we get from Love Island or even like the stakes of Love is Blind or all the Bravo, just the way they get into it. And compared to that, the Bachelor franchise in general has it a hard time keeping up. And so will cast members go on to paradise and be good television or are they still going to be

very careful what they say and very careful what they do and not want to ruffle anyone's feathers? Because that's what it is now. It's just everyone's just afraid to make TV in hopes that they're the, you know, cause that's how it used to be. If you were like the least problematic person who got the like, who went the furthest, you would pop and you would become like this person with a big following and blah, blah, blah.

But like the world's different now, you know? Yeah, I need like the girl that was like scalloped fingers. Like I need like sound bites and personalities back that like dressed up as a shark for their first day to show up to paradise. Being silly, no? I mean, I need something. I need something.

I need something different. I need some real fights. I need some real drama. Speaking of, so wait, I'm gonna say Juliana is gonna be my winner. That's who I think too. I'm standing by Latia. I think at the last minute, he really likes Latia. I mean, I can see why he's so torn in the preview

where he's like, I can see why. I feel like he really got the dad's consent with Juliana. I feel like either way he gets what he wants. He's gonna be a part of a big family. Do you think he sleeps with anyone? Do you think he sleeps with anyone? Speaking of double standards though, back to Hannah Brown's, like here you have Latia, also religious,

less granted her delivery, much different than Luke Parker's back in the day, but nevertheless, the premise still is the same, which is, if you sleep with someone else, I'm not going to pick you. I won't be here. Like, you can have sex with someone else, but I will be leaving if you do. And like, that was different wording, but exactly what Luke Parker did, and he was the

biggest villain in the world before. I mean, Mattie Pruitt did it too, you know, and stuff like that. Mattie Pruitt, and you know, where do you stand? Do you have a problem with Latia setting this boundary for Grant? Luke was talking about his standard for his future wife saying that like she should never have been intimate where I'm like, this is where I'm like for your,

per her religion, let alone that like she's been on this journey with all of these 20 women. I wouldn't be able to get over that either. If he slept with somebody before he came on the show as the bachelor, I don't give two fucks. But like, yeah, if you slept with somebody that night and then you proposed. The night before you're gonna propose to me.

Yeah, I'm probably gonna say no. I mean, Luke Parker got crucified for. Who is Luke Parker? The guy who Hannah Burr? There's Luke Pell, or Jed? Luke Pell was a different guy. Luke Parker is the. Luke Pell is the guy who's gonna be

Bachelor of the Night. He is the, he is the. Luke P. Luke Pardner is the, is maybe the best villain of all time. It's what made. Yeah, that guy. Yeah Partner is maybe the best villain of all time. It's what made. Yeah, that guy. Yeah. He's the one who got upset with Hannah

for sleeping with Peter. I thought his last name was Pell. No, Luke Pell is the guy who should have been the Bachelor when I was the Bachelor, and then he was on JoJo season. Okay, I'm thinking different people. Luke Parker is the guy who was this amazing villain in Hannah Brown season.

I remember. He was a huge douchebag, and there's a lot of reasons to hate the guy who was this amazing villain in Hannah Brown's season. He was a huge douche bag and there's a lot of reasons to hate the guy. And his whole, his opening scene was like, he was basically like, I fucked a lot in college and then I like met Jesus Christ and all of a sudden, I'm not a douche bag anymore. And then like- They don't listen, they don't make television like that.

And it was like, wait, you got all your- They don't cast them like that anymore. It's like you got all your fucking out of the way and now you're gonna tell Hannah Brown she can't have sex with people? His delivery was terrible and he was, he seemed like a worst type of guy, but either way, like his delivery was basically like,

he thought he was the winner, he thought he was, he was the front runner, she really liked him. And then all of a sudden he was like, I'm not gonna be comfortable with you having sex. And that is exactly what Latia is saying to Grant. And I think that's their prerogative. I get it. Yeah. I also wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want the guy that's going to propose to me having slept with two girls the night before. It usually happens. Happy bachelor party.

It usually happens. Anyways, so this week on Summer House, we have what, Jesse and Lexi kind of talking about their relationship. You have Jesse asking Lexi if, I can't say this seriously with a straight face, but you have Jesse asking Lexi, hey, so next weekend, do you want to share a bed, like share a room together, be roommates? And she's like, no, for sure. I just want to make sure that we're like on the same page, that like, we're like only

seeing each other, like working towards that. And then he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I think we're on the same page, that we're only seeing each other, working towards that. And then he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I think we're moving too fast. Yeah. That was kind of one of those, I had to pause it being, the double standard here where you're the one trying to play house for the weekend because you're trying to get laid for the full weekend

the second she's just making sure you're not doing it with anybody else. You're making my love his blind point. Okay, we're back. Oh, God. I'm just saying, but like, I agree with you, but like, welcome to 2025, where like sex is like, I mean, we're just talking about sex, and people are like, no biggie,

when they're like, do you wanna fuck tonight? But she's putting her expectations up front, and Dave and Lauren did not have that. I'm talking about the, just the conversation and how we as society like approach sex and Jesse is approaching sex. Just like, I guess, in some ways similar to Lauren, which is like, Hey, we're just fucking, we're just having some sex. And like all of a sudden, and then Lexi's like, well, hey, hold on.

Like, sure, maybe I don't know. I fuck it's only 25. Like I'm cool. But like, if we do, I want to know, I fuck, it's only 25, I'm like, I'm cool, but like if we do, I wanna set some like up for an expectation. Then Jesse's like, whoa, hold on. Because Jesse's like assuming that we can all take our clothes off, exchange fluids, and like that's not a big

fucking deal. But like if you wanna start talking about feelings, holy shit. Then yeah, pump the brakes. No, I agree with that. And that's my whole point on love is one. But. I think it's different context, but.

What about when they were sitting in the living room and Jesse had his hand all the way up her shirt, just in public, did anybody notice that? Just cupping a boob. I mean, that's the difference between like, if you're six five and she thinks you're hot, versus not. Actually.

What was going on with the whole Kyle rage texting page? Okay, so I guess Hannah had done some interview or something stating that the reason why she thinks she got fired from Summer House was because she posted for a competitor of Loverboy. And then Craig obviously signed a deal with Spritz Society. So he's now advertising for a different seltzer. So he said he's honestly beyond discouraged with Craig too, that this topic or that this wouldn't be a topic today if it wasn't for him and about a dozen lies.

I can't believe this is where Hannah is at three years later. I'm fucking ape shit. So he is just pissed that like two people in her life are now promoting two opposing seltzer companies, but at the same time it's like for Paige she's like what the fuck that's yeah Why is that none of my fucking business? She? Responds being like fuck you what have you ever supported a single thing I've done Have you ever said anything about my podcast have you ever said anything about my book? I drank your drink for seven fucking years I come to your dumbass fucking events, and I only came here tonight So someone keeps your wife company while you pretend to be fucking Diplo.

She ate, but it's true. It's like Kyle, I guess has had like a monopoly over the beverage that is being shown on summer house and you'll notice that when you look at the mess of the kitchen, it's always going to be lover boy cans that we're toasting with that we're cheersing with that are left all over. So he's for some, feels like he's entitled to come to Paige because her boyfriend and her best friend are doing other things in their career

that she has no responsibility over. That doesn't revolve around Kyle. What does he think that Paige is doing wrong? I guess supporting her friends, supporting other business ventures that don't support Kyle. Why does she need to support Kyle, period? But even then, she's at the rooftop,

here for your DJ set, that I'm sure she has 500 other things she could be doing right now. I don't know where Kyle got the nerve, but I think Paige handled it absolutely 100% correctly because it really, she's like, message them. I mean, I wonder what she said actually to Kyle. I hope that it was this exact. Oh, I mean, it looks like we're about to see that too,

because the teaser was something where he calls her two-faced and she's like, you're calling me for a reason? to Kyle, I hope that it was this exact response. I mean, it looks like we're about to see that too, because the teaser was something where he calls her two-faced and she's like, you calling me fucking two-faced, Kyle? Like coming back down the stairs. What do you think of the new guy? Emeril? Yeah, who's like having sex with two and a half people. What does that even mean?

Two and a half people? That's what he said. No, when he said it, I was like, ah! And then Kyle's like, no, this is a New Yorker through and through, and I was like, I couldn't hang. I'm guessing he said it, I was like, and then Kyle's like, no, this is a New Yorker through and through. And I was like, I couldn't hang. I'm guessing he's the one who's like in this threesome that apparently happens.

I think he has to be. But I just wonder who. We know it's one of the new guys. So him. And he mentioned a swing and he's saying how sex parties aren't as fun as you think they would be. Or I'm like, I don't know who sold you

that they would be fun. Cause that sounds like my nightmare. How do you think you're invited to a sex party? Who do you have to know? I think you have to be a certain caliber of person for somebody to walk up to you, be like, hey, yeah, you seem like you would enjoy this. But is it like a secret invite?

Do you know anyone who's been to one? I don't know anybody that's been to one, but I've definitely seen like blind items about them where it's like, you have to have a password. Yeah, but how do you, where do you, where does that conversation even start? I don't know. I don't know.

And I'm actually very happy that I don't. I could try to remotely curious not to go, but like, doesn't that, I just want to know how someone like got recruited. Not at all. And as I said, I'm very happy. I don't fit the mold of invites for. Do you just like hang a pineapple outside of your door

and hope for the best? I guess so, come to my dungeon party, like post yourself in a mask and a thong and see what happens, I don't know. Is anyone sad to see Tom Sandible go other than me on Traders? It was a pretty good exit. He had a great run.

I think he's redeemed himself. In his self-aware kind of sign off goodbye. I would love to see him do an interview though, to be completely honest, because I'm just curious as to like how his brain works, post feeling like he's been validated and that people can hear him and listen to him and that his words have meaning.

Well, you know what to expect from Tom, he's fine. And Gabby absolutely ate at the round table. Finally Danielle had some competition. Yeah.by absolutely ate at the round table. Finally Danielle had some competition. Yeah. Oh my God. I'll hire her for my lawyer. She said, now can I speak? Yeah, I'm not done yet.

And then what did she say? She said, I'm not saying I'm dumb. Oh yeah, when she was like, I think that you're like not as. Oh I think you're really smart. No I'm not saying I'm dumb. Yeah, I think you're really smart. She's like, I'm not saying I'm dumb.

No one ever said that. And let me continue. I'm excited, I'm not saying I'm dumb. No one ever said that. And let me continue. I'm excited. We ended with a cliffhanger. So a lot's gonna happen next episode because next episode's the last episode. We find out if Brittany voted for Danielle or Ivar. What do we think?

Well, you have Danielle out there on social media teasing that she's safe, telling her fans not to worry. Now, I don't know if that's her just being a really shitty contestant who's spoiling it for the fans. And it would have been amazing television for Britney to vote for Danielle. I hope Britney is amazing television. The way that she said that she thought she saw Dolores

kind of give her an eye and shake her head or like saying that she was voting for Danielle, that's why I think she's voting for Danielle. And I think this would also be kind of interesting because didn't she like double cross Danielle on the last show that they were at? So it's like her thinking that she's siding with like group mentality and still ends up double crossing her would be good television for me. If Brittany doesn't vote for Danielle, she's obviously a traitor, Brittany.

That too. So it's like she has to save herself. But then we find out whoever this like seer is and like whoever got the most points, which I feel like is Danielle, cause she got the like 2000 points here. Everyone else kind of lost points. She did the whole gold thing. Like I think she's gotta be this year,

which and if she goes home, then maybe they would just pass it down to the next person with the most, but. We'll see. Well, we do have Carolyn up next to give us a little bit more insider tea and all the things that went down in the castle it was a chaotic interview obviously with Carolyn coming in and then me having to leave ten minutes later but we were able to cross paths I got to meet her in person she

like we said at the top of the episode is just a fascinating human being and you you don't really know what to expect but we got a chance to talk with her Sierra and Justin finished an interview and that is what you're about to hear next. I don't care it's fine. Come on, I gotta catch a flight. The one guy who hits me. Come on, Carolyn, sit down. I gotta go to Alex. Yes, I know.

I have to catch a flight. Run, run, run, run. I love her so much. Where did she go? Get in here. Get in here. We're so excited to talk with you, Carolyn. I love her so much. Where did she go? Get in here. Get in here. We're so excited to talk with you, Carolyn.

How are you? Carolyn just got in from LAX. I have to leave promptly for LAX. We're crossing paths in LA, but I had to stay behind at the risk of pissing off my entire family. So I'm looking at that picture again and I'm thinking it all over again. It's a mix between Pilot Pete. I've gotten that a lot too. It's a mix between Pilot Pete and that other guy that I just said.

You don't get that a lot. I'm sure. I got James Franco years ago. Lately, I've gotten Theo Vaughn. I used to get Ryan Reynolds, but I'll take any of them. So yeah, thanks for having me. And honestly, I do better with chaos, so this is great. Great. I know you seem very zen for all chaotic episodes.

I do, I'm so used to it. It's like, let's go. Well, I can talk to you for hours, but we only have like 10 minutes. So what do you want to talk your shit? Talk your shit. See, here's the deal. I'm leaving, I have a lot of like mentors right now.

Mentors? Yes. So Boston Robb, Wes, yeah. And so I'm in this like balancing act of like Carolyn, like you're leaving. Cause I don't want to be some bitter bitch who's like in the game. I already get made fun of enough for being

so emotional, like doesn't she know what she's doing out there? Doesn't she know she's playing a game? Yes, I do. But the Traders is different. We're not playing like a big brother survivor. This is different. So yeah, but I'll always cry in everything.

And then I'm okay. I don't get what people are so freaked out by, by like crying too. It's the internet, Carolyn. Let me get, oh, I'm doing just fine. I stopped listening to the internet long time ago. Oh, I don't read, but people will send, I don't even know like the,

I'll know like, okay, everyone loves you or everyone hates you or everyone's pissed about this or everyone, other than that, but I'm trying to like leave on a good note. Here's all that matters. You were excellent television. Thank you. We enjoyed watching you.

Do you think, like, do you think that I thought that like, I don't know, you're used to being around people and like you have a lot of who was just on this show. It was like someone really big apparently. You're used to it. I'm not, I'm from Minnesota. I'm from Wisconsin. Oh. Yeah.

That changes a lot then. Okay, nevermind. Then like, how do you, so it takes a while to get used to this stuff, right? Not a stop. I mean, you know, you don't know much about me, but like the long time ago I was on The Bachelorette and I was a villain.

Eww! By many people, one of the most hated of all time. Why? It doesn't matter, because it's reality TV, who cares? It's The Bachelor, you get shit on for like breathing the wrong way. And then I just didn't give a fuck. I've never really give a fuck in most of my life.

And I sense that's similar to you, but like I just don't care, you know. Absolutely, but I am like, that's the thing. I'm a very emotional person and I have so much empathy. And so even if somebody like screws me over, let me like have my minute to be like, and then I'm gonna like, it hurts me if I'm hurting you. So I don't like it, but I don't read a whole ton of crap.

Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm just texting my wife, I'm not ignoring you. I'm just gonna pick. You're good. I'm listening. But my point too? I'm just texting my wife, I'm not ignoring you. I'm used to it. I'm trying to pick. Uh. I'm listening. But my point too, I'll just talk, my point too is like, you're used to like,

I show up in this castle, I don't know who a lot of the people are, and I'm scared, I'm really, really nervous, because it's not what I'm used to, it's not like, I don't, selling Sunset or any of these big shows, people are so used to like even being on TV, being on camera.

And so I'm not kidding you, you know, many times I was like, what is, what are people's real personalities? Cause it's like, the camera comes out and then I don't have that. Who was the most disingenuine person of the cast? Who was the most on camera, on? I would like, honestly, Danielle was one of them.

And I don't want to just say that, because I don't like her, but it was just a very- But you don't. No, no, no, no, no. I don't. I didn't expect it. So for example, I would say like the, Bob the Direct Queen, it really is like the same person

on and off camera. Chrishell, she is just very good at like, you know, saying the things and being so. She's polished period. Yes, because she's been doing this, but there weren't like, there's just like with Danielle, I'm like, I did not expect this. Like we go, cause one on one, I'm like, okay, yeah, like we're getting along. And then in the turret, it was just, and I, I completely just took that as like

somebody who's like playing there. Like she's trying to do like, well, you know, maybe what Phaedra did or like, cause when they picked me as a traitor, I said, I'm not an actress. I'm not gonna be like murder or talking like that. I'm just gonna be like, myself. I'm sure they were like, we don't need you to be your-

No, I know, right? Like, but I did, I was like, so I felt like, okay, there's people that are going to like, I expected, cause that's what always bothered me about reality TV. Good, is you go on reality TV and people aren't real. And I know, is that sounds stupid? It's true. And so I didn't, with Survivor,

it's like people are just so raw and like, you really can't hide much, you're all out there. I knew it would be a bunch of people who just want screen time and like, what do I need? I wasn't thinking like that. Like, what do I go out there. I knew it would be a bunch of people who just want screen time. And like, what do I need? I wasn't thinking like that. Like, what do I go out there and say to make sure that I'm getting the airtime? A lot of people think like that. What did you think of Danielle swearing on kids and grandkids and all these people?

And you know what, you don't have to whisper, say with your chest, like here, I'm going to be honest with you, Nick, because it is hard because she's getting so much hate right now that it has like, like, cause again, you got, yeah, I've had a lot of poems about her and I was like, piss, but at the end of the day, it's like, okay, it's a game Carolyn, but I don't believe that that's just what I'm told.

The swearing on your grandkids thing. So again, I have like a hard time like talking crap because she's already getting so much hate so it sucks. But here's my opinion outside of like the shit talking is that when I watched the Traders and I know we're only on season three, I just didn't expect anyone to go to that level. Oh, well here, here's the deal. We're playing a game and I never even knew what the prize pot was at.

I'm not rich, but like girl, you were going like I'm not going to do anything like like it was just not like and I truly thought that this was a game like to have fun. And for me, good. People watch like Big Brother and these shows and it's like almost like go watch football or something. I don't watch it for like the strategy or oh you did it. I don't like have some strategy, but I don't give a shit about like this move or this move. I don't, I want to be entertained and I don't get entertained by that. And so it was hard for me. I didn't think that I didn't think like we needed to go to that level with the people that we were playing with.

And I'm not saying the people we were playing with aren't intelligent. But what I'm saying is like, you think Dolores thinks that people do that? No! Or Lord Ivar? They don't. And Krishel, so seeing Krishel, and that's when I really knew I was like,

she had tears in her eyes, tears. And I'm like, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was doing that good. And like, that's the game. That's Big Brother. that's other shit. Not the traitors is. Yeah, I would definitely not, even if like I was a faithful

and someone asked me to swear on anyone, anything of value, if I was a faithful, I'd be like, no, it's stupid. It's like, no. Like I wouldn't, like I would be offended by that position. But the argument is like that's the gamers versus non-gamers and that's like you do what you gotta do to win.

That's how those big brother fans are. I mean, that's a little nuts. I don't care that much. Like I think I've been, obviously, I've become a fan of the show. I've watched it. Like they've asked me this show in the past. I haven't been able to make it work.

I hope someday I'll have a chance to do it in the future. But like I wouldn't care that much. To swear on my kid's life. No, I know, exactly, like again. I would care, I would try, I would have a chance to do in the future, but like I wouldn't I wouldn't care that much to swear on my I would care I would try I would have fun I'd get into it But like the moment sounds like swear on your kids. I'm like fuck off. That's serious It's not that and so for me I was coming off of a hard year And you know what I was excited when I got that call because I'm not some two-time winner I'm not some frickin survivor champion hall of fame. So I was fricking excited.

I just wanted to go wild bust out. And so it just, it did, it sucked. I thought, I thought that it was a show for like fun. I mean, we're in a fricking castle. We got Lala. We got like, come on. So, but it was a great time. You hated it.

No, no, I'm time. You hated it. No, no! I'm great. You had fun, you had fun. I had fun, but I could have had more fun if it wasn't so serious and again, and I don't wanna say this. I don't wanna be like, the gamers are ruining the show. I don't wanna, I don't think that they're ruining the show, but it doesn't need to be taken to that level of like, it takes the fun out of it,

because at the end of the day, you wanna watch people having fun on a TV show, not like taking like personal attacks or like swearing on their kid. That becomes icky in my opinion, which is probably why they edited it out. Did you have a harder time watching it or doing it? Oh girl, doing it, watching it. Like I don't, and I really don't get embarrassed easily.

I could literally like shit on this couch right now. I'd rather you not. Did happen out there. It was expensive. Um, but like with something else, but anyway, like I didn't. You shit your pants out there? No, I got my period on the breakfast chair,

the first, and I know, is that inappropriate? No, not for us. And you know how, so you try going to breakfast and you're a woman, you understand. I go down to breakfast. This is my first breakfast. I'm wearing a yellow skirt and I'm excited. I'm feeling cute.

They already had to tape my nipples to the thing and my bra was coming off. So I was already a little bit stressed but it's my first breakfast where I have to like, hi. I get up and I, there's like a murder scene. And I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, what do I do? And thankfully Dolores helped me, but like, yeah, I literally like, I am a murderer

and I have blood all over me and I am, yeah. They're like, wow, she's a traitor. Like, oh my God, I died. So yeah, that's the type of shit that just happens to me. But even then I didn't get like- Blood on your hands. Yeah. Thought I could go on.

It's nasty, but no, like I am grateful for the experience because it is such a huge fricking show and it's so incredible. And when you're out there, like it's gorgeous. It's beautiful. It's a cool show. So no like monsters get a room that for me. I could have so many questions of what I have to go. But yeah, you gotta go like girl.

I'm going to leave. If you guys have more questions, ask Caroline. Thank you. Thank you for making time. This was like, girl, I was like, I'm not coming from more questions, ask Caroline. Thank you for making time. Yeah, this was like, girl, I was like, I'm not coming from the air, but no. Caroline, it's been so much fun. Thanks for taking the time out.

Girl, my name's Caroline. Caroline, that's what I said. I didn't want to correct you, but like, because you're- I get bad with names. I've told him so many times. What am I saying, Caroline? You're still changing it. I'm saying Caroline.

It's okay, we've got multiple shows where it's Carolina, Caroline, Caroline, and he says them all, all interchangeably. I know it gets my last name right. How do you say it? Great question. How is it? It's vial, people say vial.

Vial. Vail. Girl, that's because you literally rhyme your show with girl, like vial, vial. I'm an idiot, what do you want me to say? I don't know, fuck, like I don't. Like, I thought this was a crime pod. I'm like, when they asked if I wanted to do the vile files,

I was like, I'm not doing some, like, investigation discovery shit. I thought- Maybe that's our problem. I thought that- Is that our problem? Maybe we have a marketing problem with our show. You know what I'm saying? The vile files? I thought this was some sort of a, like, crime scene.

I started a podcast six years ago. I did, Tofer Grace gave me the idea of the name. I was like, cool, that rhymes. And then like, I, you know, if I knew the show would be as big and successful as it was, I would have thought of something different. So no, you're doing a great job. I'm jealous. So that's the truth. That's too late for a rebrand. Carolyn, did I get it right? Thanks for having me, Nick. I love you.

I'm so sorry I have to go. No, it's all good. I'm really grateful to be here. Well, can I just say you're my favorite on Traders. I haven't seen a single episode of Survivor. Wow. You make me want to watch it. Well, tell, say that to Jeff Probst.

That's really- Bring her back. Because- All stars. Not even that, but like that, this show, like it truly, this brings other people in who's never, and I've had so many people reach out to me. It was like, I never saw Survivor and now I'm watching.

So it is, it's true. It brings to, because again, like people warn me like, okay, like there's different fan communities, like the Bravo people, and I've been now exposed to like all. Yeah. It's interesting. Every little community is different. Would you say that the survivors are grouped into like the gamer tag of it all? I feel like, okay, yes, the gamers, but I feel like big brother though, is like

its own, which is so crazy. It's both CBS, it's both like the gamer category, but I feel like big brother, the big brother, like fandom, it's just, it's, that's gamer category, but I feel like Big Brother, the Big Brother like fandom, it's just, it's, that's a different, um, I don't even know what that's on. Cause I mean, the whole point of like Big Brother is like being manipulative and like trying to get people out, but you're all like living in a house together. I'm like at least survivor. It's like, you're trying to survive and then vote people out. At least I can get the hell away from these people. Like I would never be able to do Big

Brother and it ain't even about the live feeds and all that bullshit. It's about being trapped in a house. You. My nightmare. No, and even on Traders, like I could at least like, because I would, I would get like, usually I would just say like I like poop my pants or something truly and just go and just get a minute alone or get, I need that, I cannot be around, I can't be on 24 seven, I can't, and it is, it's so much in a day that like, it's, it is, it's hard. So on Big Brother, hell no.

No, but the gaming level of like, no, uh-uh. What's like going through your mind, especially your last episode, while everybody's trying to like to figure out who's getting murdered or who they think traitors are, what's going through your mind while you're sitting there knowing that you are a traitor and hearing everybody's theories or guesses? Wait, hold on. Were we talking about the last episode?

Yeah, the last episode specifically, like even just any breakfast in general. That's the thing, it's, oh. So my whole thing always, this was my plan. Cause I'm like, if we're, okay, we're supposedly faithful, so like, let's just go with the evidence. Unfortunately, the evidence typically is just like someone sneezed in a certain direction or something just so stupid.

And so that, but it's like, you take hold of it. So one person, that was my plan. That was my, what I was gonna do. So one person, so like Rob and I remember had said something about Wells. I'm like, okay, yeah, sure. It was early on, like who cares? And so, okay, make it stick.

And that's why I felt like I had so much on Danielle when I finally was going for her that I was like, but I couldn't make it stick but I couldn't make it stick. I couldn't make it stick. And then I do, I believe at the end, people just knew she was a traitor, not all of them, but some. And so I get like, whatever.

But early on it's kind of, and then the theories, the cage theory and all this, and it is, it's not fun playing like that. I would much rather vote people out because yeah, they sneez sneeze that day or something. It's these theories in these, but I tried to play the game with like, let's just follow the evidence. And it's like, girl, I just wanted to have fun, truly.

How hard was it working on a team of traders that couldn't get on the same page? And that was including Rob and Danielle. Bob the drag queen. Okay, I've watched the show. I've watched all the seasons. I've watched the UK, the out, like all of them. And I'm like, yeah, I am a fan. And I do own a cloak and I sleep in it. And I'm like, that was a dream. I was excited. My whole thing going in was like, okay, I'm not gonna go for them until they come for me. Or they like, or until it becomes so obvious that one of them are a traitor, then like, yep, I'll throw them under the bus. Like, I'll vote along with it.

But I'm not gonna like, that was never, but we start going for each other so quick. And again, I didn't see it. Like, I understand where Rob was coming from now, but out there, no, I was like, your ego! And like, honestly coming off of my own whole era of, don't you tell me what to do, I'm an independent. I was bringing a whole ton of that in there. And I've seen Boston Rob's seasons and I'm like, I don't wanna be your Phillip, cause that was like, he had his little person on the side.

I was like, no, I don't wanna. and it was a lot of my own shit of like, I don't trust a man. I don't and especially one who is like Boston Robb. Good. You're too good. And I was intimidated. I was jealous of him. Good. So I'm like, you can talk perfect. You can even that Rontov table where he went, I didn't want him gone. I had written him a poem. I just didn't get a chance to read it to him in person yet. But I didn't want him to go, but it would like truly certain things would trigger me like the way people

treated Tom, because I saw a lot of myself in Tom. Okay. And good. And I shouldn't see it's like the cool thing to do right now is to make fun of Tom. The cool thing to do is to, you know, he's a dirt ball and he's a narcissist and he's all like, I love Tom.

And I don't like cancel me tomorrow. I don't like, I will say that out loud because I truly don't believe that any person, anyone ever deserves to be judged forever by their past. I am somebody who has a, I don't have a good past, I used to hate myself, I used to not like the person I was, I've done some bad things that I'm not proud of. So has Tom. And it's like, how long does this person have to like be punished? So again, I'm not gonna like, there's people who don't like him for certain reasons and that's fine.

Like go ahead and not like him. You may have like a personal experience with him, but my experience with him, I loved him. So when people weren't listening to him, it like, even though I was wanting to work with Rob, I mean, I wasn't gonna like go above and beyond to save him because I couldn't. Um, the way that Tom like he's saying valid points, he's saying things that did make sense that day, but nobody would listen to him because it was Tom. And so I spoke up and I'm like, just like he did this group mentality of like, and I get jealous of people like, but I'm just being real. This is like embarrassing, but it's true. I just was like, I'm so sick of you sounding so perfect and sounding, and again, he is, he's a great person and a great, but out there I was, I was like,

I can never talk like that. I could never be like that eloquent speaker. And you know what, somebody who's like a little bit weird and quirky like Tom, no one's gonna listen to. So again, I saw myself in that and I'm like, just shut up and let him talk. Yes. Was he as sweaty in person as we saw on TV?

Yeah, just at the beginning. But you know what I'm saying? I like literally got my period on the breakfast chair. So it's like, who the hell, you know what I'm saying? We all like, we're all humans. Who the hell hasn't sweat here? You know what I'm saying? We all, like we're all humans. Who the hell hasn't sweat here? You know what I'm saying? And I'm not trying to be like, okay,

but he literally was wearing like a gray, that is the worst color to wear. And the man lost his bag, his luggage wasn't there yet. He did not have any clothing. So it's like, he was working with what he could work with and wearing that hot ass sweater. It was like literally thicker than, and then he's wearing a gray T-shirt.

I love Tom and I truly believe, and I've told him this a million times, I was like, you are freaky. Like you're a weirdo. He is a weirdo in the best way though. And I love freaks and I love weirdos and I love people who are different. I, from the minute like, and I'm like, ooh,

so I always loved just like fucking around with him and scaring him and I'd like be spying on him and doing weird shit. I loved him, but he opened up about like his struggles and what it, just crap. And again, what drew me to him though, was I saw myself in him. I saw like the people not taking him seriously.

I've experienced all of that. There's many times out there where I felt like the female Tom. Like, cause you did say that during the chess game or something you were saying, how like nobody listens to you. So here, and then Dylan, like, sorry, don't be you like girl. You see me and Dylan talking and he's like,

I know when I'm, I hate that I, cause I go, if I were Boston Robb, would you be listening right now? He's like, I know and I hate that I because I go if I were Boston Rob, would you be listening right now? He's like, I know and I hate that I've been doing this to you not listening. Then you hear him say before that he's talking about how nobody thinks that but Carolyn. That's a bunch of bullshit. That's not girl. We've seen it. People not listening to me, like stop. But anyway, he with that chest thing, and this is like the human part of me because I can never play any of these damn games. I don't care how much the prize pot is. I don't care how I can never play and I can't separate it. I try and then it just, I can't.

Tom was on a mission to redeem himself. Tom was on this, I'm gonna be a faithful, he took it very seriously as we saw in the lullaby thing. He was trying really hard. I remember I was like, cause for me, like I ain't gonna be running really hard. You're not gonna catch me, no way. I love Kate's style of like, just like throwing stuff and like, I'm not hauling

all this gunpowder because I know that there's about five other macho men who want to have that moment and that shot of them running, let them. I, I told Gabby, I'm like, girl, we can take a break right here hauling that brigade. I don't care. I don't care if my head's up there. I'm a traitor. But like, I just didn't care when it came to that. So with Tom, Tom was trying, he was trying.

So for me, I'm like, when he said like, oh, he's the leader, I'd said, I think he had answered at first that he could be the leader, okay? I just wanted for one moment for Tom to not fucking feel alone and feel like there was somebody else on that cast who believed in him. That's the truth.

That is my heart talking. And I wanted somebody to, I wanted him to just feel for one fucking second that he was not alone in thinking that he could be this leader. Yeah. And I know that's like good. And like, again, obviously it's like we see him mess up a lot and we see him like, I don't care. I love it. And I

really hope that even as he watches this back, it's like, I feel like this has helped him. I feel like it's kind of made him like a little bit lovable. Yeah. Good. Should I shut up about Tom? I do. I think he's great. And I just don't think that anyone needs to be punished, you know, for the rest of their life. The doll challenge, I feel like made him so endearing cause he really was trying so hard. I mean, I don't know if they put this on, but he was like warming up.

And like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And I was like, I couldn't believe it. But again, and so when other people would be like side-eyeing him, I would be like, go Tom. And I wasn't doing it in but again, and so when other people would be like side-eyeing him, I would be like, go, Tom. And I wasn't doing it in like a condescending like me. I would always tell people, shut up. Like, cause I get those looks too.

And you saw it during the season. Like the, I get that all the time. So I can just relate to that. And I just, I loved them. Good. Put me in prison. I do really respect this about you because I know when you were banished, you had your kind of little speech of like,

being judged for being different or being quirky. Like we're more than just that. Like we are humans. You can like see us past that. And I respect that, that you're like taking an inclusive approach of seeing people for who they are beyond what's not the norm.

And I loved Nikki's, had Nikki had a similar like, just cause people were judging her and thinking that she was going to like, it's like seriously Wes, cause Wes expected her to like come out apparently in a wrestling outfit. Like table slam him. Like, oh my gosh.

And I'm thinking like, this isn't the wrestling ring, but I'm a traitor. And so I'm like, yeah, it's Nikki. But Nikki was set like, cause Nikki was pretty quiet when she was out there. She was pretty reserved. She had her people. It, you know what I'm saying? Nikki is not like, this is not the, what does she wrestle for the W. WWE? Yeah.

This isn't the wrestling ring, but she said that like, I loved her speech. I thought it was beautiful because it is so true. Like we have these and I did it. I'm not going to lie. I did it to people out there where I judged them or I thought they, I thought Wes was a freaking asshole. I was like, you, there where I judged them or I thought Wes was a fricking asshole. I was like, you, he was one of the first people that I was like, oh my gosh, I was wrong.

You are not an asshole. You are la la la, same with Boston Robb. Really? Absolutely. Wes is a sweetheart? I thought he was amazing. I thought that I had a good experience with him because I know too, isn't there like some aggressive talk

or something like, I didn't have that experience. But even like when I watched the show back and saw even like how Boston Robb talked with Brichelle, I'm thinking in my head like we did we me and Boston Robb did not have that type of relationship. But at the same time, I'm a trader like with Boston Robb, right? You have to like spend time and have your little like alliances and whatnot. But we like in in Boston Robs defense, we never had the time to like actually sit down and it was always like quick. What are we gonna do? Go and that's it. So of course, but with Wes, I just found him like again, like he his jokes and like my opinion like not everyone understood his humor. Right. But I thought he was like the first thing I said to him,

I'm like, how the hell have you been doing this for this long? And he's like, Carolyn, I am dead inside. Or he was like, but he's like, I have to just separate it. And he's like, he always calls himself a sociopath, and I'm like, you're not, first of all. He really is, he is somebody who has helped me a lot even after the game. And I just, I do, I think he's a great person. I think he like turns it on and off for TV, but truly is even out there.

I saw a very kind person because he knew who I was from survivor. And he, he's like, yep, you're the one who just makes all those faces. And I'm like, I'm more than that, Wes. But no, I thought he was great. Do you think, because you've talked about like group mentality, that there's like a popular kids group in the castle? Oh, girl. Yeah. I was trying to get in with those Bambi's from Hawaii. The Bambi's, okay.

The Bambi's. Girl. And like, again, but at the same time, it's exhausting to... Here's the truth. I had some really like just moments like off camera with people where it was like, Oh my gosh, where I'm like connecting with them. And I would just feel gross and make fun of me. I don't care. It felt so icky to, I know we're not actually murdering them,

but for this, the only way I would have been able to do this role of a traitor is if I could just, again, keep it light and blah, blah, blah. But it felt so like unfair to be doing this with like, you know, a Tom or a housewife or to get what I'm saying, it felt so gross because they are not you. Well, maybe they should be used to it then, Carolyn. I don't care. It felt icky. So when I would like bond with these people, I felt gross inside. So when I'd be crying, like, and this is like off-camera conversations of like real life stuff going on where I'm connecting, I'm thinking like Delora specifically, she knew some just stuff that was going on in my life and we're crying.

And then I'm like, oh my God, and I just murdered Robin. And it felt like good. I don't care. It didn't feel good for me. I don't like to, so when I said I wanted to be a traitor, I wanted to be a traitor, but I thought that, and I even asked Sandra before the show, I said, are people like, cause when you watch,

there's not a whole ton of like backstory or like, cause on Survivor it's like, this is what I went through and it talks about like just my life. I thought with traitors, I'm like, they don't do that shit here. So even like when there were times where I was talking like, cause there's times where it's like, okay, just save that for the camera or whatever. I was like, do you guys even give a shit about this past stuff or my trauma? Like, do you get what I mean? I didn't think, I thought this show was just like

upbeat and fun and whatever, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, they're not gonna use that anyway. But I would have those like, Sandra had said like, oh yeah, no girl, like we're just playing and it's like blah, blah, blah. No, like again, there are people who obviously are going, and I'm not saying it's not okay to emotionally manipulate people.

I just can't, I could do that in Survivor with other gaming people. It just felt icky in that environment. So when I would connect and it just felt like wrong. Yeah. You're making me think of MJ last season where it's like she's from Bravo and she got played last minute by the two gamers left, Trishelle and CT. And like for me as a viewer, I felt so betrayed for her.

I was, yeah, that what, and then people, and this is what I hate too, like shut up and let her feel it, like let her, you know what I'm saying? It's like that hurt. I was even shocked. I was like, come on, she's clear. Like y'all knew, but that's the game.

I don't care. I don't like watching games like that knew, but that's the game. I don't care. I don't like watching games like that. Let's all win together then. I don't care. Good. We all, and I guess I can respect how other people feel too. That's just not how I feel. And I did not, when I would see like Danielle crying

to that extreme, I'm like, girl, I don't like this. I don't want to do that. And so I was like, the only way I can do this is if I try to keep it surface level or if I try to just, um, hi, and so I really did. I was like, just do the best that you can and have like the, how you doing bullshit conversations about that sucks too. Yeah. From the chess game, when did you kind of realize that Danielle had...

No. You didn't? No. We're sorry, finish. I was just wondering if you realized that Danielle double-crossed you or that you outed yourself with helping Tom with the answer. Okay, no. Here's the deal.

That was me believing in Tom. Okay. Yeah, good. I put that answer because it was fricking funny. Like that's the thing. You could like create a million different scenarios with like when she was like, see I set her up with that Britney one

because Britney, I'm close with Britney. Blah, blah, blah. And that makes it look suspicious. Yeah, girl. Gabby was picked for the two-face one too. I don't think that was on there. Gabby was picked for the two-faced one, too I don't think that was on there Gabby was picked for the two-faced one You don't but I don't talk like that and I'm not gonna go in my damn confessional and be like you see here I'm close to Gabby and that's gonna put suspicion on Danielle No, I don't I was like, well, me. So no, anytime, and I would say this,

even when we were thinking of like who to murder, I was like, I almost need to do the damn opposite of anything that this person says. That's how I felt. So that's why I say, I think there's a confessional where I say something like, I'm like overthinking everything. So if she's agreeing to something, I'm thinking like, oh my gosh, no, then I should do the opposite.

So you tried like thinking like that. But when it came, I willingly put myself as the like loud voice where no one listens to voice. Because this was my thought, okay? My thought was like, I'm so loud about this. I am so loud about no one did it to me and nobody did that it would look way too fricking, like that is like the double obvious of like, a trader would never fricking put themselves

as that position as I am the loud ass one being like no one listens to me. So in my opinion, they clearly just thought I was a complete fucking idiot. That's my opinion. Sorry, clearly if they're like, would the Carolyn put herself there? My problem, Yes, I

Answered it because that's what we were doing. We were going off of whether I believe it or not So again cuz Dylan's like nope, that's not what everyone thinks. Yes, it is first off But second we were going off of like the the the read of the room and recently I had been or I had been saying it So much so it was like, okay Well, I guess I always say that. So that could be an answer. Just like Sierra had said, Brittany's a, or going under the radar or whatever the hell. Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Like the read of like what just happened. What just happened? No, but yeah, the only suspicious thing I did was argue with Dolores. Okay. And then stand up for Tom too much. Good, that's my heart talking. And I don't regret it.

I never felt like, but again, that wasn't enough to get me like, it's all good, like truly. So were you shocked by Danielle's turning on you at the round table? Yes. I like, girl, I was not, I wasn't, I wasn't prepared, but I'm not gonna, I was too hard on myself. Like I always am. And when I say like, I wasn, girl, I was not, I wasn't, I wasn't prepared, but I'm not gonna, I was too hard on myself.

Like I always am. And when I say like, I wasn't ready, like I wasn't prepared for like just a lot of the stuff that she said, cause I felt like it was so crazy that I was like, this is not happening. Cause I felt so gaslit. Where it's like, and then I'm saying things and it was just flipped around.

Like it like, oh, I've been scared scared and Jeremy and I'm like, wait, how, how is this happening? I was in shock. Yeah, to be honest, because I truly wanted to just wait. Cause it's scary. Like again, I'm playing, I love Tom, but I knew I couldn't depend on Tom. You think I'm going to be like, yo Tom, like before, can I count on you?

It's the same like survivor where you can fricking do that and like pull together the numbers. You can't, well, I guess boss and Rob can. Yeah, I can't. And so before that round table, first of all, there was not time. So I had talked to Gabby and I talked to Dylan, okay? That Lord, I knew Dolores was not like, I'm like, girl, she ain't going to vote

for Danielle Tom. I knew I couldn't depend on, but I figured he could at least read the room long enough to like understand, like, this is where the vote was going and like pick me, but I didn't think, I just didn't think I'd be out. I really didn't. So we have a plan, Carolyn. I didn't fricking need one because I literally have been, and I didn't think of the chess crap as like,

woo, I gave it all away. So you know what I'm saying? I was not, and again, like girl, she's like, you Photoshopped a picture of a, or you Photoshopped your head on the body of a traitor. You think I can tell Lord Ivar or Dolores or anyone else there that like,

hey, the season two cast, they're all wearing cloaks. Janelle wasn't a traitor though. I just used her body when I Photoshopped my face on it. You know, I was embarrassed. I was like looking at Ellen like, oh my God. And she owns a cloak. Yeah, I do girl. I sleep in it.

Yeah. I think you're just authentic. That's how I read it. But it was just like, can you imagine? How am I supposed to, but it was so ridiculous. The stuff that I was like, I just remember looking at Alan and feeling so embarrassed because I'm like, yeah, I do sleep in a cloak Alan. It was just, it was, yeah.

Would you say that a lot of the distrust within the traders came from like Danielle playing games? Really? When I think about this, honestly, thankfully, Boss and Rob did that. Otherwise, it kind of, well, though then Dylan had obviously told me that Danielle's throwing my name out and I found out that started like the crazy, but I understand why he did that. that Danielle's throwing my name out and I found out that started like the crazy, but I understand why he did that.

But I don't care what anybody says. Once somebody does that to you, it's really hard to like be like, all right, let's play. Let's play together and like move on. She kept doing it too. It's like, but then I know, but like to the audience though, they don't really hear.

It's like, I've been trying, but Carolyn's unstable. Yeah, I am unstable now. Well, you've got reunion coming up. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm lying. I'm lying. And here's why things do hurt me. But again, I write about it, I journal about it. And then, and I was the same way on Survivor where I had my meltdown. It's like, people don't realize that these games, like it's a lot and I play as myself, so things hurt, okay? Things hurt. And I would like argue in my head like,

well, Carolyn, this is a part of your strategy, your years, but it's like, yeah, but it's myself. And so when I see the side eyes and when I, but it helps you in the game, it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt my feelings. It doesn't mean that words don't hurt still. And again, it's like at the end of the day, at the like, what do I change?

What do I get to change? Because if I might get far in the game, but if nobody is actually respecting you or taking you seriously, then what is the point? What's the point? So it's like, I don't like, what do, but I don't wanna change. Good.

So I'm excited, but I'm... Do you have things prepared that you wanna hash out or? Nope. No? And you know what? And I said this before the traders, I was like, cause I do trip over my words. I have a slow processing speed.

I am somebody who needs a minute and I get really triggered by people yelling at me. And I get really triggered by people talking down to me. Like, you don't know my life and what, like, and that's the thing, we don't know what people have been through before you. And when you're talked to like that, it's like, girl. So, what was I saying?

Like, yeah, there's- Reunion. Yeah, it's hard. So like going into this, it's like, oh, I always, so like for final tribal at Survivor, I was like, I'm just gonna speak from my heart. It's like, when am I gonna learn? But I don't really give a shit. Like I'm not changing.

And I said, I said, I was like, I wonder if I should take some debate classes before the traitors and just like, I wonder if I should take some debate classes before the traders and just like, cause I wanna sound polished sometimes. I wanna sound like Boston Robb sometimes, but then I wouldn't be me, you know? So it's like, but like, so I guess I'll just like, like cast me again and I'll make it tap.

So like, you know what I mean? I don't know, I don't know what to do, but like, yes, sometimes I wish that I didn't react so emotionally. Sometimes I wish that, but again, at the end of the day, like that's me and I couldn't, like, I can't turn that off. That's not a character. That's not a, so yeah, comments hurt.

So going into the reunion, I guess I should have like, but yeah, once again, I'm not gonna be prepared and we'll see how it goes, but Boston Rob will defend me. Well, we absolutely loved watching you on Traders and I think you should stay being authentically yourself. Yes. And please come back to Survivor and I'll watch my first season with you on it. Thank you. While we're wishing you the best of luck for the reunion and we're- Come back after. Yeah.

I'm excited. I'm going to look cute. That's all I care about, to be honest. That's all that matters. I don't really, the rest, like, are we supposed to be, and I already know it's going to be like that, or it's going to be like, I don't want good, let me be positive, but that's not entertaining, right? It is for us. I was going to say, I love it. I love you.

We love you. I just don't want to like, again, this is like, I had my moment after the show, watching it, cause I was like, ooh, but now I'm in a place where it's like, I don't want to, like there's nothing that anyone is gonna say. I don't need to rehash this again and be like, what you do? I don't like, I don't, with her, I don't.

Not worth it. I feel good and I really do feel like, you know, I did my best. And again, it's not about that. I'm not a gamer in that sense of like, this was my move. I don't give a shit. And I don't care to like, no.

Smells like something in here, but I don't know what. What is, it's those candles. Why are they so big? Would you like? So big. God. Sonya, thank you. Thank you.

Thank you guys for listening. Hope you enjoyed this episode. Thank you to our guests, Carolyn and Taylor for joining us today. Don't forget, no going deeper tomorrow, but there is one this Friday. We'll have one of the finalists from the traders on this Friday for an awesome going deeper.

You will be, it'll be exactly the person you hope it will be. That's what I think. That's what I think. have one of the finalists from the traders on this Friday for an awesome going deeper. You will be, it'll be exactly the person you hope it will be. That's what I think. That's what I think. Tell me I'm wrong on Friday. That's this Friday. And again, we're back on Thursday's reality recap. See you then. Bye. you