The Viall Files - E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

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You're probably asking, oh, of course. And then you're like, well, which thing did I do that they're mad about? There's probably so many, like, who knows, right? Like, I really know. I live to piss people off. I live to piss people off. Some of you know, maybe some of you don't.

We are remodeling the lake house. It is under construction. The concrete has been poured. I don't know if we can say remodel because we did fully tear it down. We did fully tear it down. Like it is a tear down. Yeah.

And a rebuild. Renovate. Yeah, I thought you guys were just adding some tiles. So did the internet. So here's what happened. And then the people listening, now if you're listening, you're like, oh, did Nick tear down his grandfather's lake house?

To which I answer, yeah, I tore down my house. It was my house, I could do whatever I want with it. Sierra, you have this look on your face. You have this look of disgust on your face. This is all news to me, and it's not a look of disgust. I'm just like, wait, that's not what I thought either. I thought you guys were just picking out some tile. We definitely picked out some tile.

Getting some new mattresses. I didn't realize. No, we took that bitch to the ground. Yeah, we. Where are your parents staying? So, you know, they're camping. They're camping. In the lake.

They're in the rental. Okay. They're in the rental. He kicked him out. I kicked him out. I said, get out. No, we had been, you know, so like we got to Lake House a couple years ago and it was this beautiful, you know,

it was great to be back. After being there, it was very much like a trying to figure out what exactly about this place means so much to me, right? And when we were going back and forth between trying to get the house back, we were also looking at other lake property on the lake because it was like we didn't know if my grandfather's house

was available at the time and then I was like, I really wanna be back on the lake, but then we thankfully got it and then we were back on the lake and quickly realized that like it was the land itself like where the Where the property is located on the lake is quite exquisite and stunning and beautiful and perfect view of like the sunset and things like that and the house was like nicely preserved it was like very much there's a lot about that house that like I remembered as like a nine year old. But it's an old fucking house.

And so we were just like, you know, it was like totally fine. Totally fine, totally fine. And then, but we were like quickly wanted to like remodel it. I, you know, now that we're back on the lake, I want to invest in the future. Like now that we have river and hopefully we grow, are lucky enough to grow our family, but like I really want to invest in this place. And when we go back to the lake, I want to invest in the future. Like now that we have river and hopefully we grow are lucky enough to grow our family,

but like I really want to invest in this place. And when we go back to the lake, it's really nice to be there, but like, you know, there's like yellow water in the showers and it's like kind of drip plumbing issues. It's like an old house and it's like, you know, it's clean water. Don't it's like high in iron or whatever.

Like, I don't know what it is. Like smells like pennies, smells like pennies. You know, you're just It smells like pennies. It smells like pennies. Nice. It's fine. So we first were looking to remodel the house. That was the ultimate goal to remodel the house. We brought a builder out. We threw a bunch of different plans. We were having all these crazy ideas.

We were gonna lift the ceiling up and it was like, then the builder the whole time was like, you know, honestly, it's more like a really old house and I just think maybe it just might make the most sense to just like start over and I was like, I don't really want to do that. Like there's obviously some like sentiment here. And so finally we went back and forth and I like had this vision of what exactly I wanted the house with and it was like, we're going to keep this part

of the house and we're going to add on to it. So it was really just kind of take the inspiration of like the original house to lay out and really make it bigger and grander. Because I want space, I want my parents to like feel, my parents live there and they take care of the place. But like when we are there, I want it to feel like our house as well, right? And so, you know, I want my parents

to have their own master bedroom and master bathroom and walk-in closet. And then on the other side of the house, now I have our own master bedroom, master bathroom and walk-in closet. And then on the other side of the house, now I have our own master bedroom, walk-in closet, master bathroom. And I want it to be like a sanctuary and I want it to be like a spa and I want it wonderful, nice and cool, it's fucking good.

And anyway, so yeah, first it was meant to be a remodel. And so the design of the house is basically inspired by the original layout of the house is basically inspired by the original layout of the house, if that makes sense. Like the stairs, where the stairs were located in the original house, or is the exact same place where the stairs are located in the new house. And then we actually have a kitchen downstairs,

which is gonna be like a lakeside kitchen for when we entertain, but it's gonna be a really nice one upstairs. And that downstairs kitchen is going to be in the same spot. So very long story, short, or even longer story may be shorter. As long as we started- It's not being made shorter.

Very long story made normal. Very long story. It's a podcast. Which, shut the fuck up. My long story is still a long story. So anyways, we were gonna save this and save that. And like, as they were tearing things down and they were just like, it just, you know,

this doesn't make sense. Just tear it down. And again, to me, it's like the property is what has the meaning behind it. I was very grateful that when we bought the house back, it was preserved. It was very cool to have lost the house when I was like nine years old and got it back

and have much of the house being like what I remember. They had remodeled it. They had done some additions. They had done some little projects, but it was very much like looked like the house and that was cool. But now that I am the owner, it was just like people upgrade their house. People remodel their house. People change their house.

It's just like, I'm not going to live in an outdated old house if I can make it better, just because like my grandfather like started it you know people upgrade their houses all the time so wait some just to clarify you did tear down the whole house. It's okay one day Nick will be the grandfather and he can give it to his grandchildren who can also tear it down. Rivers daughter is gonna be like you you know what? Just date it. I'm done with this. Some would say the history stopped and started with Nick.

And period. I mean, again, my goal for the house is it's gonna be quite much, much bigger. And I want it to be our family house. I want it to be a place that we can comfortably entertain my brothers and sisters, family and friends. When we go up there, my parents don't like feel like lived out, you know, like pushed out, you know,

their space, like I'm investing in the future. Like, right? Like honestly, now that I'm a- You're an innovator. I'm a new dad. I'm like the next 20 years of my life, I'm really leaning in. I'm really like, it's all about making the next 20 years

like as magical and as fun as possible I'll be 40 Yeah, then you could start the next chapter your life over cuz I don't we pretty much be dead. Oh my god I'm kidding. Um, I know a lot of people has thoughts and feelings there They were now he posted some pictures of the of the project and we got a couple how dare you's Really art history me is quaking right now We finally posted some pictures of the project and we got a couple how dare yous. Really? The art history in me is quaking right now. The what?

The art history in me. What do you mean the art history? Because I studied art history and I'm like you just tore down a whole like artifact of your history, but that being said, it's your history. You didn't buy someone else's house. Well, the concrete steps that have the engraving of my mom's names and my uncle's names

is still being preserved. We're saving that. There's so many places in the yard that are very much preserved. But like, yeah, we didn't keep the old shitty pipes and like the moldy whatever the fuck or whatever. And we decided instead of like having, you know, to work around this like low eight foot ceiling or seven foot ceiling, that was like what they did in 1965. We just said, we're gonna make our own goddamn house

and it's gonna be inspired by the original house. And it's gonna be a beautiful piece of property on my family's piece of land. Well, congrats. Anyways, yeah. Is there a room for us in this remodel? There's definitely room. Are you invited is the question.

That silence was loud. We could do a class trip. Yeah, I mean, a class trip. I hope. I heard we're building rooms and we're adding stuff. There will be a studio there, so it's like we could, everyone come out for a field trip and we record some episodes.

Yeah, you check into the Motel 6 down the street. I decided not to be burdened by what has been. Wow. Well, yeah. Do Justin and I get bunk beds? Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know.

I just. And then there's me, is there a Four Seasons nearby? There is not. There's a couple, there are a couple, you know, my mom every once in a while will give us a, hmm. Oh. But she's happy with her giant new bedroom and closet and bathroom and.

You have to keep the materials and build something else. Like keep the brick and make something else, you know? Buy a place. We kept some stuff, honestly, like, you gotta, I'm not a hoarder, you gotta just move, you know, you can't be attached to stuff like that. The land is truly what makes that place special and beautiful and-

And the memories, you know? You don't throw out the memories. Nope. Well, you'll know where you are in the house. Like, it's like, the stairs are in the exact same spot. It'll look like, am I crazy? You look like you're judging me. Well, the stairs are in the same spot.

You sound like Marie Kondo. She would say the same. The organizer? Yeah. She's like, you have to thank her for what it's given you and send it away, you'll never forget the memories. Yeah, I just don't like, why would we, it would be ridiculous to like,

try to build around and work around this old construction. It just didn't make any sense. Just for, for like sentimental purposes. Well, forget about what I did wrong listeners. The, your real vitriol should be directed towards James Kennedy. Cause if you have not heard, he's best friends with the Tate brothers.

But doesn't know who they are. Yeah, he did retract his photo by saying he did not know who they were. He thought they were podcasters who were just fans of Vanderpump. One of the brothers responded. Did they? Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Oh no, what did they say? Colin Bullshit. So for those of you guys don't know, the Tate brothers are... Awful. Yeah, I did they say? Calling bullshit. So for those of you guys don't know, the Tate brothers are- Awful. Yeah, I didn't know there were brothers. I just thought there was the one.

Could you imagine? It's worse that there are two. That was scary to learn. Anyways, without trying to waste too much energy talking about them, a lot of toxicity, they might be the poster children for toxic masculinity or anything toxic. I mean, they've been arrested for, I think,

trafficking and some other horrific things. I don't know, they seem like bad news. I don't really wanna- Research at your own discretion. I mean, I turned down a selfie with Jax Taylor way back when because I was worried about the optics. Taking a picture with the Tate brothers is a whole new level.

And given James' Kennedy, I like to call him Ike Kennedy's recent past with his alleged violence towards his ex-girlfriend, I think the selfie that he took with the Tate brothers was, some might say the company he was keeping at least seemed to align with his past alleged behavior in the worst possible way. But then James quickly denied, what did he write? He denied it.

He said on an Instagram story, he said, I regret posting a photo with the Tate brothers on an event last night. I was unfamiliar with their content and the allegations against them. I only knew them as podcasters that had posted a viral clip about Vanderpump. I have since educated myself and condemned their beliefs.

I am sorry to all that I have offended. Then the less famous brother responded to James' denial of knowing the brothers, and he wrote, begged and kissed my ass for 30 minutes straight and called me a hero. He knew exactly who I was and what content I made. He's just a, well, he just, then he offends him. And then says, fuck this guy.

Who knows who to believe, so to speak. Not that either of them are either parties in. I mean, I feel like the Tate brother has less of a reason to lie. And James has more of a reason to lie. I will say, none of it really makes sense, right? Because if you're James, it's like, how do you not know who these guys are?

Especially like whether you went into this event, either seemed to be some event or like he was in a Vegas event, I don't know. Maybe it was a- I don't know how he still has his residency in Vegas. Maybe it was a UFC thing. But like, even if you don't know who these guys are, when they walk into a room,

like they're making enough of a scene that someone's being like, yeah, it's them. And who's them? It's like, well, they've done, done, done, done. So that doesn't make sense. Then he posts the selfie. What did he write on the selfie? Didn't he write-

Something about Bitcoin? Yes, I think so you know that they like- I guess you know. That's a Bitcoin. It's like, you know they're into Bitcoin, but you don't know that they were arrested for like trafficking, human trafficking. There's absolutely no way he didn't know.

Anyways, then he posts a denial, and it's just like, own it. It doesn't make- I just know that he takes selfies with fans and things like that. He's not reposting them. And you made the effort to post this to your own story. So it's like, that would mean you were excited

about these people. Do we remember the angle of the picture? Was it like James taking it? It was James taking the selfie. The two brothers are on the side of it. I'm really, really looking forward to Lisa Vanderpump's excuse for James. That should be fun. Yeah, that'll be really, really interesting.

Well, Gypsy Rose is out and about. And she's- I'm a little offended that she was in Los Angeles and didn't reach out to us. Her and Ken will randomly like send us a picture of their growing family. They're done with us. She got a new haircut and maybe she is like, fuck these bitches. I'm a new woman. She got a Bob.

She's sassy now. She got a Karen Bob. She got a fuck ass Bob. I love it. She was asked by like a reporter recently, like, did you see that Casey Anthony is giving legal advice? And she was like, I don't think Casey should be giving legal advice. Yeah.

To Gypsy's credit, I remember when I first met her, I was like, hey Gypsy, would you ever be interested in doing a true crime podcast? And she quickly was like, ew, no. She has no interest in true crime. Which I mean, at the time time I didn't know anything about her other than we just interviewed her. I shamelessly was like, hey, you wanna do a podcast?

You wanna do a true crime podcast? And I didn't really know, but I didn't really know what her response would be and I didn't really have an opinion on what her response should be. But after she gave that response of being like, like no, I want nothing to do with it, it made me appreciate her more,

because I didn't put much thought into it, but once she gave that response, it was a normal response to be like, this is like, I don't want anything to do with this true crime community. I think the true crime community, I mean, has made her life quite honestly a living hell. I was talking with our friend of show, Emily Baker,

our official unofficial legal correspondent of the Vile Files. And I was talking to her about like true crime Emily Baker, our official, unofficial legal correspondent of the Vile Files. And I was talking to her about like true crime podcasts in general, it was that space. And she was, again, like with podcasting in general, it's kind of like the Wild West. There's no like rules, people kind of come up with their own standards.

And things get a little hairy and dicey, especially in the true crime podcast space when true crimers are discussing unsolved cases. And there's like always like this insane amount of speculation. Not to get into it, but the Justin and Blake of it all is this, it's not a murder case or anything like that, but it's unsolved. We don't know the, you know.

And now there's this theory after theory after theory after theory, and fine, say what you want about the Blake and Joseph of it all. But some of these true crime cases involve- theory after theory after theory, and like, you know, fine, say what you want about the Blake and Joseph at all, but some of these true crime cases involve like, murder and sexual violence, and for true crimers out there to be like coming up with their fun theories and speculation about like family members and friends

who, assuming they aren't guilty of whatever crimes being discussed, are dealing with this very terrible terrible tragedy and then you have all these like wannabe detectives and true crime experts going out and coming up with theory after theory it looks like it's kind of like disgusting and horrifying I think some of the true crime people out there do a great job and and have like some you know standards and they do try to police themselves to like have tact. But I think there's a lot who don't. And I remember like having that quick discussion with Gypsy at the time.

And it, it made a lot of sense because I think she's been so turned off by just people like that, having all these theories and speculations and coming up with the stuff that's completely out of pocket and for the people involved, probably incredibly hurtful to hear about. So it is crazy that Casey Anthony was like, I'm just gonna pop in on TikTok and see like what the fans are doing these days. It's like, girl.

When that woman talks, it's something dark. And then she's now suing, like for the comments, who is she suing? She's suing or she's threatening to sue? I think she's threatened to sue. She was pretty much saying like, your words have weight, so heed what you're saying, because anything that's defamation or liable

in the state of Florida, it doesn't matter. The jurisdiction's here, so I can sue you for. She works for a law firm. She walks for a- She seems to be well- Who hired Casey Anthony? That's pretty- Not Nancy Grace.

Who the fuck hired her? Who was like, yes, we want her on our team. Yeah, Nancy Grace, she was outspoken. She got that bob back and she said. What did she say? She's just saying what everyone's thinking, which is that it's a money grab, her new legal advocacy. She says, I am a legal advocate, I am a researcher,

I've been in the legal field since 2011 and in this capacity, I feel that it's necessary. If I'm going to continue to operate appropriately as a legal advocate, that I start to advocate for myself and also advocate for my daughter. As a proponent for the LGBTQ community, for our legal community and women's rights, I feel that it's important that I use this platform that was thrust upon me and now look as a blessing. Why does she break up the LGBTQ community?

Because she's an ally, I guess, to everybody but her own family. I don't know. It's really dark. Well, she said she's gonna look at it now as a blessing as opposed to the curse that it has been since 2008. Someone commented under her video and it was like the most liked comment. And it said, Casey Anthony saying she's a legal advocate

is like Jeffrey Dahmer opening up a steakhouse. And that hit the internet. Yeah. It resonated with people. It did. It was a shock wave. Imagine if Jeffrey Dahmer, is he still living? No.

He's not, he's dead. Honey, I mean, come on, there's too much in this brain, like beauty and humor and component. But imagine if he like got out of prison for some reason, and then was like, I bought a franchise of Outback. People would be like, uh, the fuck? Well, I mean, OJ did write if I did it.

Yeah, he did. So it's not, this is not unprecedented. OJ has always leaned in and like dabbled on like the line, the very thin line. It worked and it kind of worked for him. I'm not saying it was a good thing, but it did work for him going forward. And maybe Casey Anthony is attempting at, to kind of get what OJ got afterwards,

but I don't know if it's gonna work. Listen, people like a spectacle and the internet is full of spectacles. And... Well, speaking of spectacle, did you see that the cop who arrested Justin Timberlake for the DWI was named, like, Officer of the Year? They really pro-Britney over in that town, in that jurisdiction. Yeah?

Yeah. Do you think it's only because he arrested Justin Timberlake? It had to be. Right? Yeah, I mean, it's Sag Harbor, the Hamptons. So I'm like, there's, there's gotta be a lot of... You don't think there's a lot of crime going on in the Hamptons?

There's like white collar crime I can't talk about, but they're like, we did arrest Justin Timberlake and made the news. He was honored for making an immediate impact during his first year on the job. Oh, that was his first year and he arrested Justin Timberlake. And he brought out the, this is gonna ruin the tour.

This is gonna ruin the tour. Well, we have a big week lined up for you all on the Vile Files. Before we talk about this coming week, don't forget that Dylan Efron's Going Deeper episode dropped last Friday and it is a must-listen, must-watch episode. You will all wanna make sure you check out.

Today's episode is gonna continue to be wacky and fun. We have Harvey Gian with us, star of What We Do in the Shadows. He's also in the new movie Companion. He's also a big Housewives fan and we are excited to talk with him all things Housewives coming up. As well as we have Brittany from Traders

joining us later this episode to talk about her scandalous exit and her voting for Danielle. I'm honestly, a lot of people are thanking her for really the only drama that we were given in the finale, even though it was sweet and everyone got along and all the people went together, it was a little boring. Brittany is with us to talk about her shakeup in the castle. And then we have this week on Going Deeper on Wednesday,

Will and Emmy from Southern Hospitality. Will did not show up for the reunion. Well, he did show up for the reunion, but did not go on stage. He does show up. Here, we think, I don't know. He's supposed to show up. Later today, we will sit down with Will and Emmy

to talk about their whole season, their relationship, the rumors, the nastiness, all the things going on about them and their season of Southern Hospitality that is this Wednesday and then Thursday's jam-packed as well. We have Heather McDonald is joining us. I was on Heather McDonald's show last week. We debated Justin and Blake. Not sure if we'll talk a lot of housewives with Heather, maybe a debated Justin and Blake. Not sure if, we'll talk a lot of Housewives with Heather, maybe a little Justin and Blake. South by Southwest is going on, a lot of movie premieres.

Blake and the rest of her cast was there premiering their new movie, Another Simple Favor. So Blake's out and about, and then the fans were trolling, as the fans do. I just find it fascinating that for all the hardcore Justin stans out there, one of the rumors they like to throw out or the theories is the attraction that they allege Blake having for Justin.

And it's just like, wait a second, if she was gonna have a thing for any of her. It would be with Michael Mul fucking Marrone. That's what I'm saying, like that guy, he is sex. Have you ever seen 365 on Netflix? I've heard you talk about it. Oh my God. Yeah, a lot. 365 on Netflix? I've heard you talk about it. Oh my God. Yeah, a lot. 365 on Netflix?

You've never seen that? Oh my God, you haven't seen it? I've seen a lot of memes. You haven't seen the scene. Holy shit. The yacht scene. You haven't seen the scene? The yacht scene is yacht scene-ing. Yacht scene? The yacht, well.

Same thing. The yacht scene with him. Yacht scene at the yacht scene. I don't remember the female actress that he is in this scene with, but let me tell you, if you ever need a moment, well, I don't know if it would be. It'd work. Will it? Okay.

If you ever need a moment. It's so hard. Is she enjoying it? Oh my God. Okay. I mean, it is full on, well, in the sex scene, she definitely seems to be. She is, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The yacht scene. Very aggressive scenes. Very sexy. Listen, if they would have put that sex energy into Baby Girl, I feel like Baby Girl would have been a lot more popular. Anyways, the rest of my case. It's good to see Blake out and about.

I'm excited for a new Paul Feig movie. I really love him. And he loves Blake. Yeah. And he loves shutting down a rumor. Yeah, he's a very talented and funny guy. What was the rumor he was shutting down? Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick were like beefing

and he said that was incorrect or wrong or something. I mean, Anna Kendrick definitely does lean in to the narrative. She was asked like, what does it mean to be working with Blake again? And she just responds with, oh, you know. She didn't, you know. She didn't say, lovely, it's amazing.

Which is what Blake's response was. Yeah. Well, Anna is so dry too, that you can never tell if it's just like her sarcasm or if it's like a shade or who. Yeah. Also like, I don't know, maybe two coworkers not being best friends isn't like, whatever. I mean, it's like.

Like I fucking hate Mary. Wow. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. She gave nothing. Wow. Wow. Oh, you know.

I thought you were talking about Maryam Cosby. The Love is Blind finale and reunion have come and gone and we only have one married couple, but good for them. You know, what started off with, are you stalking me has turned into the- Invisible string. Yeah, the, what started off with, are you stalking me has turned into the Invisible string. Yeah. The, uh, what does it remind me what the invisible string is again?

That you always have like a tie to your person. Like it doesn't have to be romantic. It could just be like familiar too, but it's like, it will always bring you back to the person or like you're meant to eventually meet up with them so that everything clicks and place. Where do you think our invisible string is like attached to? What do you mean? I don't understand the metaphor.

It's a Taylor Swift song. Well, no, I mean, it's a theory before Taylor Swift. Oh, that's what I was gonna say. But it's just like you guys have an invisible string. We have one. The invisible string theory is a belief that people are destined to meet and are connected by invisible string.

It's based on fate spirituality. The theory suggests that people are often hidden from each other, but will meet when the universe deems it right. So it's almost like being at the same place at the same time. For example, I ran into Connor at a bar when I was with my ex-boyfriend a long time ago.

He remembered me, didn't remember him. And I was like, who was that? Connor, somebody's ex-boyfriend. Okay, cool. Never saw him again. But it's like, we've been at the same parties. We've been through life together, but we weren't together.

Stay at the same Coachella house 10 years ago. Wow. Yeah. I think it's our fat asses. Oh. You think that's what a string's connected to, our assholes? No, like how they are. Like it was a string that's pulled together,

it's just our butts touching? We weren't, thankfully, at the same parties 15 years ago. Oh my God, who's that? To clarify, I think the invisible string is a string to your soul, not a physical part of your body. Oh, for sure. Maybe it's like our heart. Maybe it was a desire for our fat asses in our souls.

Is Natalie doing something with your fat ass? I want to be clear. I also have a fat ass, yeah. Yeah, and what am I doing to your fat ass? Whenever you want, baby. I also have. Well. I just don't want anyone to think

I'm objectifying my wife. He's objectifying himself as well. I'm objectifying myself too. Anyways, string, string. Congratulations to Taylor and Daniel for giving Minneapolis the only reason to move from. Honestly, they work together. When they were showing their pictures of them

like out and about in the world, they look really cute together. They fought their first home, like the inflatables of his uncle Sam and her as the evil. Can I say something? Mostly to you, a little bit to you. Uh oh. Oh my God. I'm sorry. For what?

My point still stands about sex. Oh, the Dave apology. Cause the truth came out. Not necessarily the truth, but I, my point still stands about sex. Oh, the Dave apology. Oh, because the truth came out. Not necessarily the truth, but my point still stands. I do think Lauren was misguided. I think she didn't, I didn't think Lauren put herself in the best possible position to be successful on the show. That's all I'm saying.

I think she should have considered the environment she was going into and then like thought how things might've played out. That being said, like, Dave's is so full of shit. Yes. You know, it's just like when he came out there at the reunion and was like, Lauren's the one who got away. Motherfucker.

Like, and it dawned on me, it dawned on me, like I don't fault Dave for having been thrown off by the revelation of Lauren's relationship coming into this relationship. But the fact that, to your both point, he ended that relationship with, he didn't even get to the altar. You know what I'm saying?

He didn't even go with emotions. There's one thing to be rattled, but to just break up, it was definitely, he definitely uses an excuse. 100%, not giving the letter to his sister, not letting her meet his family, believing his friends over his fiance. Not even like a phone call.

He wouldn't even let Lauren like talk to her on the phone. Yeah, and then for him to show up at the reunion and pretend that she's the one who got away and Lauren being like, you motherfucker had my number the whole fucking time. She was like, we've been at bars together and you've never come over and said anything. You could have bought me a goddamn drink.

I literally can't run away. There's only six bars in our area. Yeah. Well, he also didn't show, he didn't listen to my advice at the reunion. He decided to pull his whole fucking stunt. Neither did Alex because he did not grow a beard. Yeah. You know, I think he did not grow a beard. Yeah.

You know, I think he actually shaved more off for the reason. He did grow more hair on his head. Madison has a whole new look. She went from pink back to blonde. The blonde looks nice though. There's nothing wrong with going from pink back to blonde. I've done that before. I just feel like it's a little dangerous to your hair now.

It is. And like it's great for three months and then you're like, oh no. I think she overtoned it. It was like a color conditioner. She wanted to like be spicy in the moment. Do you have the pink or the blonde? All of it.

I thought her hair looked nice. It is like just hard to keep up with because we saw three different versions of Madison in a short period of time. I know that like the power of cameras and timing, like she probably felt like this was like just normal. You know, it has been a year. No, that's what I'm saying.

It has been a year, but for us, it was like, Jesus Christ, I can't keep up with this girl. Fuck. She is so fucking messy. Does anyone believe anything that comes out of that woman's mouth? It's hard when like three of the relationships have issues with her.

Like it's really hard to watch Monica and Joey like have this issue of her being like texting with Joey and then meeting him at the bar and then like all of, you know, all of these issues. And then- Yeah, and Madison kind of told on herself because she's like, well, it's how I feel. When anyone like is like going back and forth

in an argument and then they they have nothing Left but just being like but guys it is how I felt and that's really the only argument they have left Which is like yeah, we can't We are all entitled to our feelings. That is a fact but like if if all you have are your feelings and then like no facts or really like, you know are your feelings, and then like no facts or really like, you know, statements of truth or anything like that, but just the fact that you felt a certain way and was hurt

by someone else for some reason, and then that's your justification for doing whatever it is you said or did, that seems to be Madison. It's just like, yeah, but I was hurt. It's like, no, I'm sure you were, but like that doesn't justify any of these things that you're like, no, I'm sure you were, but like that doesn't justify any of these things

that you're like allegedly did. And then like her receipts, I was just confused. So according to her, Alex basically, like he didn't talk shit. I think she was trying to prove that Alex was like talking shit, but the only proof that she has or brought with her was that him saying that Meg and Mason are back together, melty face emoji. She thought that was important to include,

which honestly, I love that emoji. I think it's very fun. It's one of my favorites. And then to say like, and they wore their reveal outfits when they first met each other. Like school face. Like I'm dead. Like ha ha ha, my friends are so goofy.

Uh huh huh. Like they're so silly and fun. Dead. But it's like she was trying to... How is that her... How is that him talking shit? She tried to do like the blanket statement because there was one specific text where it was, I told you a lot of the stuff and confidence that wasn't meant for other people to hear, and now I feel like a bad guy. I'm just going to go back to only saying nice things about people, no matter what. So she's trying to be like, and that's because everything you said.

Yeah, it's like, well, and that's all referring to all the shit you said about Mason. It's like, well, where is the shit he said about Mason? Where is all of that? Cause she said, he said that Mason was weird and had no friends. And she said that he said, fuck Mason or fuck you Mason or something.

Where is that? Proof. Also like it does, it felt like this particular reunion, it felt like all the ladies taking their turn on everyone but our happily engaged. Taylor. And then Lauren was also. I don't think it was all the ladies, honestly.

I think it was just Madison and Sarah that I had. Monica, Madison, and Sarah. Virginia didn't have a problem. Well, particularly Monica, Madison, and Sarah. All took their respective turns on trying to tell their story and why they think they deserve the Ariana Maddox treatment. That seems to be the new thing on reality TV sometimes where it's just like they want to give their pitch on why they feel the most scorned or why they were the most unfairly

treated by their breaker up counterpart and they want the sympathy of the audience to get all the ad campaigns. I will say I disagree with Sarah trying to come after Ben, trying to paint this whole, you were very scripted and I don't believe you. I think if you don't break up on bad terms, they seem to just not have the the most aligned values maybe is really the reason they didn't end up together. And it's like, clearly they were in some sort of communication. So it's like, for him to say, Hey, I think we should like, get on this on the same page,

get on good terms before reunion is like the most respectful way to go about like, that was someone that he was engaged to. And if there's any issues, it's like, let's work through these, not on national television. We left this relationship with equal respect for each other, so why out all of this shit on national television if we could just work through it right now? Because it sure felt like their versions were just more like he had a version of a breakup,

where there were some maybe hurt feelings more like he had a version of a breakup where there were some maybe hurt feelings and she had a version. But it felt like both their versions included them being like normal people where no one really did anything. My confusion though is that I'm like, how does one person think that somebody's moving to Nashville and the other person thinks they're broken up?

Yeah. I'm with Sarah on this one. I'm with Sarah as well. It sounds like they had a conversation that he was supposed to move down and then he ghosted her, then doesn't talk to her for a while, comes back with an apology. Well, the ghosting seemed to be unclear.

Well, no, he, to Maya, she was like, why did you take me off, find my friends? And he was like, I'm sorry I took you off, find my friends, but like, we're broken up. Like, I can't be tracking you all the time. I can't have you tracking me. Like, we're broken up, so I'm so sorry, blah, blah, blah, whatever. She felt like that was a very scripted apology

and didn't feel like that was real. And then he texts her before reunion being like, hey, we should get on the same page. What it seemed to me of like what the kind of issue with the reunion thing is, is that it was, he had talked to Jimmy, right? Yes. And it was because of Jimmy's advice that he thought.

Jimmy from previous season said that he should get on better terms with Sarah, which I think she probably took. But I don't think that's bad either. I think all of these people who go on this show have a very personal experience. It's very hard. I think they go from normal life to filming a year later.

It airs, the whole fucking internet has an opinion about them. So I think like them leaning on past cast members, especially Jimmy, who did kind of go through a very public breakup with Chelsea. They had some issues, he went to the reunion, she kind of came after him. I don't think he left the reunion feeling very well. So I feel like Ben reaching out to Jimmy

or anyone from previous seasons isn't like a negative thing. I don't think it's a bad thing. I appreciate all these people trying to give us good traumatic TV, but it really feels like that, like they're just trying. Like there's nothing really here. Like there's nothing really happened.

There's maybe some hurt feelings. Maybe someone could have communicated a little better or a little bit more effectively, could have been a little bit more upfront, but there's always like when you're really upfront, then you get accused of being a dick. You know, all I'm saying is when it comes to breakups, does someone did really something wrong here? Like is he allowed to decide not to move to Nashville

after maybe agreeing to moving to Nashville, or is that like a life contract of some kind? I think the issue is she felt disrespected. No, I don't doubt it. But like people feel disrespected all the time. And that's kind of my issue is she felt disrespected. I don't doubt it, but people feel disrespected all the time and that's kind of my point is feeling disrespected isn't a crime. But no one's saying it's a crime at the reunion.

They're just arguing at the reunion for TV. I was gonna say my point was that the only reason he reached out was to rewrite the history of what happened. So I think that's where she was like, you only reached out and if you look at what Ben said, everything he said was scripted. Every answer was him saying the the same thing, but in a different way, using the same buzzwords. So it's like, she was like, you only reached out to me to like be on the same page, but

we're not even on the same page of what happened. I think Ben knew he was not going to get out of that reunion in a good light. So he was like, let me just say the basic, like, yep, I'm sorry. I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry I hurt you. This is my version of things, this is how it played out for me. And I feel like he wasn't in a place where he could be like,

let's argue with this woman on national television because that's kind of like what he texted her to do over text or over phone or in person or on FaceTime before the reunion. So neither of them had to do it on national television, which I honestly respect if there was no, if neither of them did anything wrong, right? Like, you know, they left on national television, which I honestly respect if there was no, if he, if neither of them did anything wrong, right? Like, you know, they left on good terms.

There was some obviously confusion of like, who's going to Nashville, who's not whatever, like a little ghosting on, it seems like both of their ends, but I, I don't see anything wrong with him being like, let's just like not air out all of our dirty laundry in front of the world. Let's do it with each other and get on. Like this is all that matters is me and you at the end of the day. So like, let's get on good terms. Let's crush whatever beef we have and like go to the reunion and be like, we're good.

I also don't think it's like, I don't think she's obligated to be on good terms with him. She's not obligated, but like it is a little, I think it was like offered as like, well, if I'm trying to be on good terms and like you automatically have to also be on good. Not necessarily, but I look at it the other way. I look at it as she found it to be potentially financially beneficial for her not to be on good terms with Ben. Well, we don't know that.

You're right, but we also don't know his motives either. I'm just saying like- This is the guy that was leaving his business card for his YouTube videos, correct? Yes. Yes. Okay, just wanted to make sure. Yeah. Yeah. Clog the wolf's Yes. Okay, just wanted to make sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Clog the old memory. A little douchey, whatever. I'm just saying, like, we can sit here and like, poke fun. I just think there's a big difference between some of these like, accusations being thrown around this reunion, versus like, you know, Raven back in the day

when she was like, being two-timed. But that's kind of my point. It's just like, there's no real meat on these bones, right? There's no, no, there's like the worst thing, the worst accusation here is you were gonna move and then you decided not to move. No, it was that everything was scripted and nothing was genuine.

But I agree, I like, I agree with your interpretation. I think he looked at a guy who was, I'm not gonna argue with her because I'm not gonna win here. Like, no one's gonna have my side. I'm not gonna raise my voice and get into it with Sarah on the couch. I'll just like, you know, say I was wrong and like, you can think what you want because I'm not going to win.

And honestly, that was probably the smart move because he's. I do wish they would have given Joey's sister a mic because she seemed like she wanted to get real vocal when Monica was coming at him. But Virginia Devon was interesting how she was basically like, I know he's not comfortable talking about his beliefs on camera and I'm not comfortable repeating his beliefs on camera, but I will tell you what my beliefs are, which I feel like was the shadiest way. Very classy, very shady.

Very good. Yes. Also, she talked about like, what was this whole check thing that like his mom wrote a check for them to get married? His mom's boss. Wrote a check for the wedding and she never knew of the check until after. So she never saw the check. And she was like, I'm not saying you pocketed the money,

but like, I didn't even know that existed. So. It's a weird thing to not mention. I feel like anytime we got any sort of money for our wedding, whether it's from my family, Nick's family, a mutual friend, it was like, oh my God, look, they sent us a hundred bucks, how nice. It was a conversation we had with each other.

So I think Devin not telling her was definitely a little red flaggy. And it was like days before too, like she ran into somebody's mom or something like that who told her. So she was kind of like, what, is he gonna tell me about it? No? I don't know.

He did say. He could have definitely forgotten. Well, he said he was waiting until he was, after they were married to tell her, which. Yeah, I mean, it's not that hard to believe that he had a million things running through his mind and the check that his mom's boss wrote for $1,000. You don't think he's like, I signed this prenup,

that means everything's gonna be both of ours the second we marry, so maybe I'll just keep this to myself. I think that's exactly it. Well, when did he cash the check? I don't know when he cashed the check. Well, that matters. No one ever said when he cashed the check.

But it was alleged that he hadn't cashed it yet. It seemed, in my understanding, he had not cashed it. I think Virginia- And I'm just saying, but if you have the prenup theory, that he hadn't cashed it yet. It seemed to my understanding he had not cashed it. I think Virginia. And I'm just saying, but if you have the prenup theory, that theory doesn't work because if he cashes it after they're married, then they're sharing it.

No, he was gonna tell her after they were married that he got the check. But when did he cash the check? I don't know. I don't know. That's the issue, she doesn't know. I'm not his bank account. I am not Wells Fargo.

Yeah. Ad and Ollie are engaged. They were cute. Did that ruin perfect match or? I mean, I don't, I was like, yes, congratulations, but thanks. The way I was so confused, I was like, are they hosting the next season?

And then I had to like Google and it's like, no, they're on the upcoming season. And then Vanessa's asking him. I guess honestly, they were probably like, listen, we're ready to get engaged. Like, so either we need to like announce this with y'all or we're gonna announce it on our own, but like our relationship is ready to move forward.

It's not on the timeline of Netflix. Just perfect match. Like have they ever had an engaged couple? I don't know if like that's the show. Not that I know of. Usually it ends with drama. Yeah, I feel like usually it ends with like people voting who the perfect match was, right?

Yeah, they just vote. And they go on a trip together. And they went on a trip, yeah. Remember because the random couple came out of nowhere last season? Oh, yeah. Jess and Harry, Micah. Who was it? Yeah, it was like the last, the like people who weren't even on it.

The last episode. Yeah. Ended up winning. All we know is any drama to do with Ollie or AD, just disregard it when you're watching Perfect Match. Yeah, they're good. We know the outcome. They're engaged. Nothing to worry about.

I will say they do everything in their power on these reunions to just like, they'll throw in anything. They'll throw in like a magician if they need to. It's like, what is the concert? I fast forwarded through it. It's Alex Warren though. Do you remember Alex Warren? Alex Warren, he was on our podcast.

Was that Alex Warren? We did Going Deeper with him. Yeah, we had him. That was Alex Warren. Even though he does look a lot like Alex the Cont Alex Warren, he was on our podcast. Was that Alex Warren? We did going deeper with him. Yeah, we had him, that was Alex Warren. Even though he does look a lot like Alex the contestant. Wow. Kinda, yeah. Now that makes sense now.

Nice performance, good for him. It was that, it was the ad for the, if you wanna be in the pods where I'm like, Cartoon Nick and Vanessa. Am I playing with real people? Yeah. And then like all the best moments, which some of it, I'm like, why are we bringing this up again?

Like Sarah Ann, Lauren, Jeremy, Sarah Ann, that was the top moment, number three moment. I mean, I do remember that. Oh my God. I think Jessica and Jimmy did win. Well, I, for whatever you think about season eight's Love is Blind in Minneapolis, I heard season nine in Denver is a smash hit.

Really? Full of toxicity and drama. They need it. That's what I heard. They do need it. We'll see if they come drama. They need it. That's what I heard. They do need it. We'll see if they come through. I think it might take a while after this season for people to jump on to next season.

I think they might be like, I think people watched. We've done worse. That's true. Bachelor seasons have been way worse than this love is mine season. Speaking of which, we'll talk about the tell all on Thursday.

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Harvey, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. How are you doing? I'm good. Love what we do in the shadows. Thank you. Always been a fan. We're also very excited that you're a big Housewives fan.

Oh yeah. Huge Housewives fan. What's your favorite? I'm torn between Salt Lake right now and then Potomac just because of what's happening. I feel like everyone should just put everyone who's been to prison into one cell and then Potomac, just because of what's happening. I feel like everyone should just put everyone who's been to prison into like one cell and then like have housewives of, you know. Housewives of cell block one.

Yeah, and they all have to do like cell block tango for Chicago. What if they did like a prison housewives? Yeah. Someone said this under, something in Andy was like, too soon, like please. Oh yeah, they tweeted that or something. It's too soon, but is it? It could be.

I'm just thinking ahead. Do you have a favorite housewife? Oh God, I mean, I love Bronwyn from Salt Lake, only because we've become friends. We're friends with Bronwyn too. She's really lovely. I think out of all of them, she was like, I don't know why they tried to attack her.

Like, it was just like, she's new, she came in, she's stylish, she's fabulous, and then all of a sudden, they're like, we don't like you. And it's like, what? She didn't do anything. And she's richer than them? That part. Yeah, I think that was that part. And she's unbothered and she's not a follower. And that's what I, you know, and I had dinner with her

and like Todd, and like, it was just like, they're just the nicest people. But you had dinner with her and Todd. Yeah, we were at like they're just the nicest people. But you had dinner with her and Todd. Yeah, we were at a dinner for Christian Seriano in New York and so I was sitting next to them and I was like they're the nicest people and I was like. I want to have dinner with Todd. Yeah. How was Todd?

Todd was lovely. He's very charming, very like he's just a nice guy and just like he's like, you gotta come over, you gotta come over and come into the house. I was like, okay. I was like, I have to show you my Starbucks cup. Yeah, literally. I was like, I love that. And he's a Dodgers fan, he's a baseball fan, so I think he's going to the game in Tokyo to open the Dodgers. And I was like, I'm a huge fan, and yeah, so.

So you're gonna go to the game with him? I don't know, it's not official. Yeah, yeah, I know we're putting it in the air. I'm not putting myself in someone's jet. Does he fly private, or is he? That's what I was gonna say, I don't wanna put myself in someone's jet. No, no, no, but if he hears this.

If he hears that I wanna you want to get a call. If you tell me to go, I'll go. If Todd flew you private to Japan and then was like, you got to find your own way home, buddy. I mean, that's fine. Would you be fine with that? That's fine. Or would you go the distance with like Lisa?

I don't wear coach and I don't buy coach. Would you, that's a long you? That's a long flight. That's a long flight. I just did it last week actually. What seat were you? Nine and a half hour flight. First class. Of course. Not 19C. No, 19C. That's okay. Nick puts me in row 50.

What? Yeah. He does. Anytime he flies, he's in first class. But if I'm with him, I wasn't first class. I'm freaking out. It's really fucked up. Honestly. That is, that is, that is what you call a farce. Okay.

Well, half truth, half truth, half life. It has to be one of them. 50 50. I did buy her something really big recently. Lacently. Lacently. Let me guess. You have to wear it and you look amazing in it.

I bought you something that I'd enjoy. I didn't want to wear it. Exactly. She does not have to wear anything. Wow, wow, wow, wow. It's hurting me to wear. Yeah, but he's loving it. But he's loving it.

No, you did. Oh. Surprise. Surprise. I want to watch this play out. I'm freaking out. That's crazy. So yeah, row 50 is fun.

If you ever wanted to see what it was like back there, maybe I could take you. I don't know her. You don't know her. Yeah. Well, I'm quite comfortable back there. I mean, I flew coach all the time. One of the biggest perks of like being in a project is that they fly you business and that's really nice. And I think the first time I ever flew business was when I got like a big gig that took me out of town. Because I mean, yeah, I've always flew coach. And so that was one of the biggest perks. that was one of the things I look forward to so when like SAG was

doing their you know whole re-evaluating contracts that was one of the things that are like taking out like no no no no that's no don't do it residuals okay like it's like not the business AI take my face just give me first cause I don't even use this you know you cannot take my face I will reiterate you cannot take my face, just give me first class. AI, I don't even use this. You cannot take my face. I reiterate, you cannot take my face. You cannot take my face. No, it is just, I think it would be fine if it were the two of us. But the fact that I did carry birth his child, and he's putting me and his 13-month-old daughter in row 50 is, I think, what is really just like, he's torturing both of us.

Yeah, someone told me a story. They sat next to Teddy Mellenanchamps nanny and their kids. So she was up in first class and the kids were with the nanny. She's like, I got to meet her. You did? She was sitting next to you? No, I was sitting next to her nanny and the kids. And she came back to check up on them and she was like, how are you guys doing good? And then she went back to first class. I feel like that's fair.

How are you guys doing good? Is that weird? Is it what I think that is? Then he closes the curtain and you're like... Whoosh! Don't disturb mom. She's like, I'll take a hot towel immediately. Yeah. Would that be bad?

I don't know. I think it's good. I mean, the nannies that are with the kids are being taken care of. That's totally, you know, it makes sense, but I don't know about yours. I think, yeah. I mean, ours is still our lap child, so... We just kind of afford it. We're on a budge. You can afford it. But he can afford it. No, I didn't pay for it. I didn't pay for it. We're on a bunch you can afford

No, I didn't pay for it Got it see that YouTube got me first. I remember when you were flying yourself and you had that little Emblem on the on the chair. Well, that was when I when I checked in they're like Do you want to upgrade for a couple bucks? Yeah, and if you fly enough you get enough, you get enough cloud or something, or level. Well, I'm waiting for that. I just started collecting points. And that's how I got to go to Japan.

Because I just started cashing in my points. And I was like, how many points do I have? My friend's like, you can fly first class to Japan. I was like, let's go. And book it right now. So I took my sister for her birthday. And so we loved it. So after traveling back and forth for work, you get a lot of points, okay?

Use those points on them Got done with Oscars week. Yeah, how was it the celebrations parties? It was great went to you know Elton John's party for the Oscars and to raise money for the AIDS organization Which is a great organization. You guys should look into that. And Bronwyn was there. You guys should look into that. We went to that party a couple years ago.

We haven't been invited since. Yeah. It makes sense. It's really fun. It's a fun party. Chaperone was singing. Oh my god. And it's kind of cool because the event takes place in the park behind the Abbey.

And she's singing Pink Pony Club, which is based on the Abbey. That's what the song is based on. And then Elton was singing, and it was like, what is going on? And Bronwyn and I were like front row. And so it was just like this. We looked at each other like this will never happen again. Like this will never ever happen again. This formula. It's just it was great.

Did you see any celebrities like having to take their shoes off because their feet hurt? Did you see any like couples arguing? Did you see any? Yeah, I mean people took off their shoes all the time like I feel like I saw people in the carpet like I'm like, we're not even done with the carpet yet They're like take my shoes off. Yeah So that happened in the dance floor as well And then you feel weird because of their barefoot and you're dancing if someone stipped on anyone's toes

Yeah, I don't want to stipe anyone's toes. Would you ever like see maybe like a pair of, I don't know, like Louboutins or Jimmy shoes or something? Like someone had kicked off and like. Yeah, I mean, what you mean like, what I take, I mean. It's like that Sex and the City episode where she goes to like, she goes like, but they were my shoes.

Like that's too much money for her. She's like, but you took them off at my door. Yeah. But you made me. Made me. Then she sends an invite, right? Or like, no, I don't think I would, especially because no, that's bad or no. That's weird. And also, are they my size? What size are you? I'm 11. You think you've got teeth in a... I'm like, these ones.

Whoa! This is big bitches. He's so screaming. I'm like, these ones. Whoa, this is big Mitch. He's so scary. I'm freaking out. No, but they are Louis Vuitton. So, anyways, we'll be moving on. Do you see Tamara Judge is speaking her exit from Real Housewives of OC? In the middle of filming in New Orleans. Yeah, and just posted a selfie in the airport.

Yeah, that's... I mean, her best friend, cult star, Teddy, is literally fighting for her life. I gotta assume- The petty drama just isn't worth it. You're just like, who gives a shit? Yeah, I guess at some point, they've also had a long run, right?

She's been on for a while. OG, is she OG? Oh yeah. OG OC? I believe she's, yeah, from first season, absolutely. Wow, that's a song right there. I think our next venture For a couple of years and then came back Maybe two years ago, but she is oh gee right. Yes. Yeah. No, she joined season three. Oh

That's that's early on that we can forget Who's still standing from like the the Jersey housewives from OC? Like, I still remember like, you know, even the way they were shot, like it was like the family was behind them and the kids and the dog and now they're like, leave them out. It's about them. Yeah. It's just like, what would be your catchphrase of your housewife? You know, none of them come up with it. Yeah.

They just say them all and then they find out what the producers picked when the show airs. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. It keeps criminal. The trick is to read the ones you don't like in a bad way so that they can't use it. That's true.

That's what they do. You could hear sometimes they did read it that way and they still went with it. Yeah. They use it in like a crazy accent. Yeah. They're like, you might think I'm crazy, but I don't know how to finish that sentence. And it's like, what? Fashion.

Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. That didn't make any sense? Yeah. Perfect. But she did post a selfie in the airport looking like she is leaving, filming, she is done. Which I guess when you are that close to someone who is fighting so hard for their life, you realize that the petty, stupid

drama just isn't worth it, you know? And that's probably what all her co-stars, I mean, that's what every reality TV show is about, is just stupid, petty drama. And so I feel like she was probably like, this is just, I don't give a fuck. You know, this isn't worth it. And people say that, you know,

even with Potomac, where people say that she's not like that in real life. I like her in real, I like Karen in real life. I don't like her when she's on the show because you act differently in front of a camera. So I feel like that changes you a little bit. And so I feel like, what does Karen like when she's not the granda?

Because that's all I know. She's this bigger than life character. Now she's, you know, in jail. Would you whisper that? We can hear you. Oh, sorry, sorry. I thought I was in my inner monologue. Wah wah wah.

Are you watching Bev Hills? Yes. Are you a Dorit or Kyle? Man, this Dorit, I really like this. Oh, I was so sad about citing her mom. Like her mom was just like, I know, it's just like the relationship, I feel like it's finally healing maybe, I don't know. But she was really sad because she was like, I know you don't like flying out of mine flying Okay, I know you don't like cash I love cash

Like why couldn't Sutton fly her mom out? She did she did fly her out, but she missed her flight Yeah, her flight was kept on private debt if her wallet is so big Oh, I think my wallet is and I think my wallet is. And I think my wallet is. Well, then if it is, why isn't your mother here? Yeah. Charter? Oh, I didn't think about that. She's getting like 300k a month.

Yeah, no. She couldn't allocate like 50 of that. I feel like Dorit would have. From mama? Yeah, Dorit would have. Yeah, I will say, yeah, Erica Jane always flew everyone in her crew. You would not be sitting in row 50. No, you would be. So something I really appreciate about Erika is that she always

said that yes she might have been you know using funds. So I may not have been loved right but like I got where I needed to go real fast. Yeah. And Doreen, like Doreen I feel like I like this story like she gives no fucks like she she's just like, I like that. Where's this one? Because before it was like PK, so proper. You know, and I was like, We're like, you're from Connecticut. What is happening?

And then now she's just smoking and she's like, I don't give a fuck. Yeah, it's kind of great. I honestly do think though, if Nick did have a British accent, I also would have a British accent. It's just, I would. It rubs off, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

That does make sense. And if Alec Baldwin had a Hispanic accent, it would make sense for also Hilaria to have one as well. But he doesn't. I think Hilaria is also from Connecticut. What's in the water in Connecticut? Also, but what is Hilaria better than Hillary? Like, why would she opt for Hilaria?

Because she's hilarious! Duh! As would I! She is hilarious, but I don't know if it's a with. And also, a correction, she's from Boston. And it was actually typed in Spanish, you wouldn't pronounce the H, it'd be Hilaria. Hilaria. Oh, you wouldn't pronounce the H, it'd be Ilaria. Ilaria. Well, you told her. Cause you don't say the H and if you were going to say the H like a ha, it would be a J.

Exactly. Hilaria would be with a J, like Javier. Oh my gosh. Well, sorry. You learned here. You heard it here first. How would, how would you say Nick? Nick. Nick. Perfect.

Super sexy, super hot. No, I love that I'm circling that. Did you keep up and watch any Vanderpump before it exited? Yeah. It was hard to watch that one because it was like, you know, I'm from Zarianna. And so that was like a, damn, like the last couple of years have been tough, you know, to watch.

And then I just finished Traitors. So then you're watching. Yes, you don't root for a certain character because you go into a game and you're like, I already know I don't trust you. You know, even though it was plain sight that they weren't a traitor. It was like, I still think somehow. So you would have been Dolores, just Tom. Yeah.

She was so mad at Bob the Drag Queen too. She was like, I made it nice, you know. Did you see that Sheena had quite the weekend with Lady Gaga? Yeah, and they were at the SNL after party, yeah. Kind of a big deal. Huge deal. Huge deal.

First Lady Gaga is like saying that Sheena's like the one and only character that she will miss the most. And then meeting her and then like weeks later. Yeah. She's... I assume that invite is coming from Miss Lady. To be on Shannanis. Yeah. That's the party where I met Lady Gaga for the first time. Oh, I'm so sorry.

Bad Bunny. How does one get invited to said party? I think of your friends as the cast members. So I know a lot of the cast members, but like that was the day that Bad Bunny was hosting. And Lady Gaga came to the after party and it was like, Pedro Pascal was there and like Lady Gaga. And she was there with her. She was really nice.

Like the way I met her was that bad? No, it might have been a different. I've been a couple of times. Oh my god. And it wasn't the Pedro Pascal one, then it was another one. But she was there with her fiance, but then boyfriend. They had just started dating, but the first thing she did was like, hi, nice to meet you.

This is my, like she introduces the person that she's with. This is really, really nice. Cause sometimes when you meet like celebrities or something, they're like, hi, how's it going? And there's someone next to them. They just don't wanna acknowledge them. And you're like, hi, how are you? And this is my husband from 30 years.

Yeah, yeah. So it's like, this is my son. This is my son. Yeah, lost, lost son I found today. Do you think she was invited by Lady Gaga or someone from the cast? I think it could have been both, but I feel like she knows people from the cast.

I feel like there would have been easy connection to make like a cast member. We've interviewed a couple of people from the cast. They have invited us. Really? They're really lovely. Like every time I've gone, I've never planned it. Like I'm- It was over Zoom though.

Oh, maybe that's why. Maybe they didn't see it. They didn't get the energy. Yeah, the energy. In person, you get it, you know? And you have to say it with, Nick. You know? Nick, Nick, Nick.

It's me, it's me, Nick. I think every time I donate, it's been like in the day of. Like I'm there on a Saturday, I'm like, what's going on? Saturday, you know? And then like, I'm like, what are you doing tonight? They'll like come to the show and like it happens. Do you say, you do like a, what are you doing tonight? Like, you know what? Yeah, like I don't know what's happening. You're like, I'll text, yeah, I'll text, what's going on? Saturday, you know? And then like, I'm like, what are you doing tonight? Then I come to the show and like, it happens. Do you say, you do like a, what are you doing tonight?

Like, no, I don't know what's happening. Yeah, like I'll text, yeah, I'll text, you know. Are you working tonight? Yeah, are you, do you want to get drinks tonight? What are you doing? Oh my God, you're working. No, but if you want to come to the show. Oh my God, the show.

I would love to come to the show. I just, I thought, okay, fine. It was giving a Tuesday. Yeah, I thought it was Tuesday. That's what Shina did. No, but everyone has been really lovely every time I go. I've done a commercial with Heidi. Heidi and I did a commercial a couple years ago.

I'm friends with Bowen because he's super talented and every time I see him at events, we always go up against each other for stuff too, like in award season, but we're always the ones who are talking in the corner, so that's really nice. He's really lovely. Can you sing? Can I sing? Yeah.

Are you asking me to sing right now? Is this my... Ah! Yeah. I was up for AlphaBot. Welcome to the class, Casina. Yeah. Which was bought? Circus Circus was bought.

Casina was bought. RIP. It's dead. Max, I didn't hear RIP. Disney bought it. Oh my God. Wait, is that official yet? Circus Circus. Backside didn't even RIP. Disney bought it. Yeah? Oh my god. Yeah.

Wait, is that official yet? Circus Circus? Is it official? I think they bought it, yeah. Okay. I mean, don't quote me. I wrote for Disney too. Harvey Smith?

No! I'm freaking out! No, they're taking his face right now! His face is falling off. That was up for alpha, but that's real. That's real. It was you and something neck and neck. How did it, like, how did it go? No, actually the true story is I was up for Bach for W that's true. That's right. It was you and something back and neck. How did it go?

No, actually the true story is I was up for Bach for Wicked and the movie was a two year commitment so like I knew Winnie Holtzman who wrote the script for the musical for Broadway and for the movie and she called me up and she was like, are you going out for Bach? Because I think you should go out for Bach and I'll put my, you know, put you in contact with blah blah and I was like, that'd be great. I got really excited about it. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to audition for blah and I was like that'd be great and I got really excited about it I was like oh my gosh I'm gonna do Shiver Block and I love Wicked and then they were like you have to be available

for two years like to shoot the movie and I was like that's yeah and I was in season three of Shadows and so at that point Guillermo wasn't an original like Guillermo was like a servant in the first season like he didn't have a lot of lines he didn't like and then after season two he kind of became like a bigger character and by season three he became like a bigger character and so like when I went to the studio, I was like, cannot, absolutely not. Yeah.

And like, I thought I was going to ask him, can I take like a, I miss next season. Like a quick like two year break. Two year hiatus, like year more disappears. And then I literally went. But then I come back to the Star Wars weekend and I'm like, it's even bigger. Exactly.

Because of me. I have a plan. They said no, they said I could not. They said absolutely not. And so absolutely not. And so that just didn't work out. And then it like became like a huge movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not. And it's absolutely not. And so that didn't work out. And then it like became like a huge movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think they're okay, they're doing all right. Yeah. I feel like it would have been bigger with, if you had been part of it. And I think that Ariana and I would have become besties, at best. I was like, and to be fair, I'm like she did meet her now boyfriend

playing the role you would have, so who knows where she would be now That's true. You know so everything works out for the best I thought they met on Broadway. No they met I thought that he was... Or maybe he hits the... Shhh... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHHHHHHHHH SHHHHH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH SH But I was like, wait, is it? Ser Wieners. Ser Wieners, yeah. Southern Charms, Southern Hisp. I just got into Summer House as well. My friend April literally just hooked me up to all of these. And I'm just going down a rabbit hole.

Are you up to date on Hospital? Have you watched The Reunion? No, I haven't watched The Reunion yet. No. Did you watch the finale? I watched the finale. So you saw Prom Night. Yeah.

Prom Night was a fun idea, but it just escalated so quickly. I honestly feel like anytime there's like a, let's do a prom when everyone's like 38. And also I feel like, do they know it's the last episode? There's some past trauma that's gonna definitely come out. I know Southern Charm shot out of order, so some of the episodes were weird.

So that was weird for me, because I was like, wait, now you're making certain people look like they were. Vanita looked like a burger. And I was like, that's not cool. But then I thought, is Southern hospitality doing that? Was the prom episode shot out of order and they made it to the finale?

Do you know what I mean? Because it was such a big episode, they're like, that's it, we got the finale. Well, they did say at the end, when Will's little hot mic moment, where they're like, what do you wanna do for the finale? Which seemed very- That's sweet.

I feel really weird, yeah. What do you wanna do for the finale? Six months later, she was like, oh no, I saw the clip of it, like, oh no, last night. It was very dramatic. I will say, and I've said this all season long, I don't like TJ.

I don't like him. He's so toxic, I think. Something about him. Him at the prom, yelling at Will and Emmy in the front was the most, honestly I would have laughed with Emmy and Will because it was laughable. It was like, why are you so worked up?

This is not your relationship. Why are you yelling? Well, then they went to go, Will and Emmy pulled the- Girl, why are you yelling? Why are you yelling? They pulled aside what's his name, the buff mustache. Austin. Austin. And then, yeah, TJ just comes out

and follows him along, being like, I'm part of this conversation. And then Brad. She said, are we monkeys? Yeah, that was. Oh, right. That was crazy. And I honestly, I would have walked away too.

If you're like trying to have a private conversation and everyone comes, it's like, what is happening? Like just watch it back, it'll air in a few months. And then when, what's her name was like, I'm your best friend. No, you're not. Grace Lilly and Nady. Yeah, I'm your, I'm not.

It's just like the shock factor. Imagine you with your best friend. I'm your best friend. No, you're not. I'm not. I would actually. Maddie like screaming in Grace's face. He's a whore.

He's a whore. I was just like, what is happening? Yeah, I wanna, I wanna see the reunion. Are you team Will and Emmy or team rest of the group? Rest of the group, I think. Because the rest of the group has something that, as a whole, not as individual, but as a whole brings something to the show

that I'm like, I could watch this. Well, I don't mean like- Oh, you mean like as a- I don't mean like a scandal. In that moment? In that moment. Oh no, no, them, sorry. Yeah, no, I meant like as who do you want, them or-

The other group is more committed to the show, for sure. The group, I want the group because that's the show. I want the group because they're going to cause drama everywhere. We don't need to spin off with Emmy and Will. No, but Emmy and Will, in that moment, I'm on their side. They're on that side for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It felt very much like they have,

they're in their relationship and the rest of the cast is not. And so like anything that happens, they're like, oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, babe. I was there. I'm aware. Like, you're really. Yeah. Like you want me to tell you everything that goes on. And his sister also stayed at the house. Why didn't you tell me anything?

That's incest. Uber eats dropped off something at 3 p.m. Like, why didn't you tell me? Yeah. You're my best friend. I'm not. No 3 p.m. Like, why didn't you tell me? Yeah. You're my best friend. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. It's like 50-50 if you hear a rumor. If you're like, are you supposed to tell the person?

Are you not supposed to tell the person? But this whole cast is like, no, we need to tell them. And we need to make it our mission to make sure that they hear this rumor and know this rumor, regardless of the rumors are true or not. When they all walk together, when they're like, can I talk to you one on one?

Yeah, and then everyone comes, and like people who are not in the show are in the background. It's like the mailman is in the back. Get out of frame. It's giving small town. Yeah, it really is. Small town vibes, all up in your business. Everyone was in the background.

They literally said, can I talk to you? Anything you say in front of them, you can say in front of me and in front of all of us. It's like, no, there's cameras here. You will see it eventually. Also, I was like Austin having the same conversation with anybody who will hear it. It was just like, just so you know,

my girlfriend's not here because it's a view. She's not even your girlfriend. She doesn't even want to date you. a serial killer move like streaming show alibis That's why I appreciate me being like finally Let's just have the conversation between the people because I'm tired of hearing you ruin this party Yeah or if you were like on traitors that would be a perfect tactic like making sure everyone's on the same story because when Voting comes you're all in the same page

So my girlfriend wasn't here just because everyone knows and everyone knows because I said it. And I told you and I told you and now you know so you have to say it. See you have to repeat this. Maybe Austin wants to be on Traders. I think, ooh. Would you go on Traders? Maybe, yeah. I love watching Traders. I feel like once you put me in a game like that and it's reality I don't know how well I would do. Like my friend, again, my friend April, like we joked that she would be the first one to rat someone out of being the traitor. You're like, okay, he's a traitor. I know, and it was like, why, Jesus Christ.

So the joke is that I don't know how long I would last. Would you go off of like vibes and energy? I would. But then I see some of the clips of like, you know, Danielle, like where like it's like, I told you I'd fight. And it was like the Academy Award goes to. So I feel like you have to be a little bit of an actor to be in that world and make it work because you have to convince people.

And you can be too over the top because it's cheap acting and you're like, some things up with you. But if you're a good actor and you can just slide into the ring and be like, yeah, they're faithful, but they're not. It's the perfect blend. I feel like you have to do the polar opposite going on to the following season of Traders than what the main Trader did. Yes, you can't follow the formula. Yeah, so it's like Housewives, sorry, you got thrown in the bus because Phaedra was that good.

But if you're super dramatic, I think people now going into the next season would be paying attention to that, being like, oh, crying, taking a picture of Danielle's photo. You're saying next season, the first person off can't be a bachelor contestant like Wells was. Or a housewife. Or a housewife.

I feel like it could be a gamer. I'm not saying who's gonna get voted off first. I'm just saying that following the tactics, if you're a traitor, you can't be overly emotional because I think people will start thinking from the last season, being like, well, Danielle was super emotional and nobody suspected her, so now I've gotta be the one

to suspect the most emotional person. Yeah. And that's where it's probably still faithful. The plan is to be like, well, Danielle was super emotional, nobody suspected her, so now I've got to be the one to suspect the most emotional person. You know, and that's where it's probably still faithful. The plan is to be like, fuck that person, I'm glad they're dead. Which is the key to the early. That's the ticket. Just have no emotion at all. Yeah, they deserved it.

Confessional, they deserve it. Actually, even that kind of attitude though, they'd be like, why is he acting so much like a traitor? He has to be a faithful, because that's too obvious. Yeah, that's true. There's just too much tactic and strategy. It's just exhausting. It's exhausting. So if I went on and be like, can I just watch?

I already have to do drama and comedy for a living. I'm faithful. Can I just sit here and watch? Yeah, honestly. Honestly, just sitting at the round table and they're like, I think Harvey. And you're just like, why? Yeah. Instead of getting defensive, it's just like, wait, why? Why though?

I've done nothing. I've done nothing, but just tell me, I'm here to listen. Vote me out, fine. Yeah, go ahead. Is it giving baddie? Yeah. Because I'm giving baddie.

I'm freaking out. Did you jump into Summer House like this season? This season, yeah, for the first time. I didn't go back and like, so I was asking questions, I'm like, who's she? She's been on it for five, you know? Who's there? You'll catch up, they'll flash back. Yeah, which is so funny to me.

That's like, it's like a weekend getaway every weekend during summer, but you go back to your city life and I was like, that's a long commute every weekend. And just like, it sounds like fun, but I was like three hours in traffic, like there. I don't even like to sit in traffic for an hour here in LA. It's like, you know what I mean? Just to go four blocks. Like economists, like the older seasons, just because it was such like a, they all have such serious jobs in the city. So it's like when they were letting loose, we're talking like blacking out, talking to a wall. So it was like really funny.

Balance. But like now they're all influencers. So it's like, I have to rush back on Monday. Yeah. I might have to go back to the originals then because I like that. I was like, started season three. That's when Paige starts and it's so Monday. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go back to the originals then because I like that. I was like start at season three, that's when Paige starts and it's so good. Yeah, okay. The work is so sturs her a lot. See, okay, then I wanna go back to the original.

I wanna go back to the origin story. Okay, I'm going. I'm doing it. Team Kyle, team Paige, and this particular fight not necessarily over. Kyle is, which one's it? Blonde. The DJ. Mullet.

Oh, the DJ. Mull DJ. Married, right? Yeah, Amanda. No, I don't like that. That wasn't cool because what did she say? He's being Diplo. Yeah. I don't know. That wasn't cool.

Like, especially when you get business involved, like it's like weird, especially with friends and like money's involved. You have to have really like, you know, clear understanding of what you're getting and you're investing and like. I did love how it seemed like that table was very far away from that door and Paige got all the way inside. She was inside.

And she heard, two face. I'm, yeah, I'm two face. And she immediately turned around. Spun on a dime. Like it was just like, you said, ah! Yeah. Also in that like silhouette, I really appreciate her dress. I was like, that's a really cool dress. Yeah. I was like, I didn't see that when she was sitting down. She needed to stand and walk away. That's what I noticed. I was like, oh,

that's a really cute dress. What did she say? Oh, shit. Yeah. Carl participating in Lindsay's gender reveal scavenger hunt. Yeah, it was like sweet. I don't know the back. I just know that they were dating last summer. They're engaged. And so it looked really sad. And then I think there was a preview of like, uh, he hasn't slept with anyone.

So last summer I was like, Oh, I just thought it was so sweet that he like not only participated and was like a good sport, but like also I'm like, everybody knows that if he didn't participate because it's weird that he did, everyone'd be like, Carl, you're making it good sport. Also, I'm like, everybody knows that if he didn't participate because it's weird that he did, everyone would be like, Carl, you're making it by yourself. How dare you? Just be a good sport.

And do you think that there was a lot of baby stuff happening to really twist, you know what I mean? It felt like a lot. Like it was like, nobody wants to wake up and do a gender reveal party organization, just after drinking all night. Well, this was 100% producers. Yes. You know what I'm saying? I doubt that Lindsay was like, you know, just like after drinking all night. This was 100% like producers. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I doubt that Lindsay was like, you know what I want to do? I'm going to do my gender reveal here with this group. And the hunt and the big, like, The hunt, the whole thing, and Carl's going to be there. It's just this. It was twisting the knife. She had no problem leaving that sonogram up on the mantle for him to see after it when he got there. That felt a little bit like, oh.

Like, anybody could have grabbed that and been like, you know what, maybe a little too sensitive. oh. Anybody could have grabbed that and been like, you know what, maybe a little too sensitive. No. Yeah. She said, welcome home. They're professional TV makers, and I think the producers have ideas. They have to have. That's true. Like, I don't think at this day and age, like, I don't know how many seasons.

Nine? Nine? Well, we gotta catch up. I just think when a producer's producing and they like throw a ultrasound picture on top of a mantle, I don't think any of the cast members nine seasons in are that prickly or that sensitive where they're going to be like, oh my God, don't do that. You know what I'm saying? Like they're squeezing all the juice they can out of these lemons. So to speak.

Well it's like also bless Carl because it took him a lot to like work up just even saying hi to her. And then this episode when she was like, hey, there's some champagne, like non alcoholic champagne. That moment in the fridge, like then the camera wasn't even ready for them to go in the kitchen. She's like, there's some non alcoholic. And she's like, oh, there is. It was a sweet moment. Like it was like, okay, we're fine. It was like, they kind of almost like, a little grazed. It was just enough that it was like, last summer I was engaged to you and you're pregnant with another man.

Enough to make his dick a little hard. Yeah, absolutely. that it was like last summer I was engaged to you and you're pregnant with another man. Oh! Oh! Enough to make his dick a little hard. Yeah, absolutely. And enough for her to be like, oh my God. Not doing that again, because I can't, because I'm carrying a child right now and it would hurt it. And it would hurt the baby.

How would you, if I was not there for our gender reveal party and I guess your ex lover was and then you text me like hey good and if my response was ah that's nice how would you feel well see the thing is Lindsay already knew the gender so I would imagine that they went together to the doctor before call had a moment together and then she was like I'm gonna do this he doesn't seem like he's quite of a texter, you know, which neither are you. So honestly, I would see you saying, maybe not a lot of W's after all.

It would probably be like a misspelled all somehow. I don't know how you'd misspell it, but you would. If I was in first class at the time when I text you back. I would not be shocked. No, I would be like, okay, yeah. Getting a reception back here, so please. Yeah. Sorry, I actually, you, okay, yeah. Get a reception back here, so please.

Sorry, I actually, you might get free Wi-Fi up there, but I have to pay for it. I'm not paying. And I'm not getting my wallet somewhere deep inside my carry-on. I can't find it. I can't get my card out. Send a message from your screen to mine. Oh yeah, they used to have that. They used to have that. I don't know if they still do. They stopped. People were getting harassed. Yeah, could you imagine? Yeah.

Did you ever? I got one time, I think it was like years ago when they still had that, like someone messaged and it was kind of an awkward message. And I think that's why they probably stopped. Because you can message anyone as long as you know their seat number. Yeah, it's fucked up. I think my friends said they messaged like Macaulay Culkin one time and I was like, what? You don't know them?

I was like, I know, but I thought I was like, big fan of your dook message. You're like, oh no. And I'm in the plane with you and I'm like, I'm watching you. That is really scary. I used to be getting in a horror film. It's a horror film. And it's like, and you go up to the, you know, like, I think someone's like in the plane trying to get me, sir,

go back to your seat. It's a horror film. No, someone knows who I am. Someone knows, of course they do, sir. Everyone knows who you are. Yeah. You're Kevin. Yeah. You're Kevin. Yeah, you're Kevin.

You're married to Brenda Fox. And then go back to your seat, she's like, you shouldn't have done that. Done, done, done. The horror film writes itself. I see, you made this flight. Yeah, there's no way out in this eight hour flight. Mommy's not coming to say goodbye.

No. Now you're really home alone. Now you're really home alone. Now you're really home alone. That's fucked up. I would watch it actually. Honestly. Actually copyrights, tonight I'm making this up. I came up with this idea.

You came up with the idea. How was companion? Good. Yeah, that cast is so fun. We're in a group chat and we still talk. In fact, Lucas Cage texted me this morning, the barista at my coffee shop said how much our gay relationship meant to him. And I was like, aw.

And he's like, yeah, it was really sweet. I still had to pay for coffee. And that's fucked up. That's the real problem. And that is actually fucked up. But you are familiar with vampire-esque. Who do you feel like in Bravo Nation world, Housewife-ish world would be the best vampire?

Best vampire? Yeah. And then who would be the best assistant? Familiar? Familiar, yeah. Someone who's organized and can take a lot of like, I don't know, I mean, a vampire I feel like it would be Teresa.

Teresa would be a great vampire, because you know, we don't have a lot of ingredients, you know? I think Lisa. Lisa? Which Lisa? Lisa Barlow would be a good vampire, I think. I have a good familiar, someone who is like organized and... Sutton's assistant, Avi.

Yeah, Avi. Although Avi in the last season has become very like snarky. He talks back. He talks back lately. The first season he was like right away blah blah blah. And it's like, ah! And he's like, he's like, he talks back. He talks back lately. He's really gotten off focus. The first season he was like right away, blah, blah, and he's like, ah! And he's like, he's like running the fashion show and even like, yeah. He's getting mad at her mom.

He's getting mad at the mom. It was like, no, don't put the dumplings in there, they get soggy, you know? And he's like, okay? And I was like, who is running this household? Like, he's the lady of the house, yeah. Okay, who would be familiar? I was going to say him, but now I'm like, maybe from, I'm trying to think of someone from Atlanta because

remember when she made the best friend contract? Oh, Cynthia. Cynthia. I think Cynthia would be familiar because she's always level. She doesn't go too, even if she's having a bad day, she doesn't go, she's still leveled. She's really? Yeah, I think she's level. Great to work with. Yes, she's great to bad day, she doesn't go, she's still leveled at it. She's really? Yeah, I think she's leveled at it. Great to work with. Yes, she's great to work with?

Okay, great. So I would say her, because she would have structure and get things done. And we approve of that message. We like that. Cynthia, it's a good thing. I like Cynthia. She's always been good. Thank you.

Who's your least favorite housewife? Oh, now you're trying to get me in trouble. Cancel. When you say Lisa, drag, cancel, period. It's gotta be someone from New York. Not me getting canceled. It has to be from where? I was just going to say it's got to be Ed.

Just say Brandon move on. I'm not saying absolutely not. She's my favorite. My least favorite, I mean, I guess she's in prison now. No, she is good. I like her. I wouldn't know. Jen Shaw could be.

Jen Shaw, sometimes the way she talks to people, I do not like. Absolutely. That she's very rude and like, and then throwing things to people, I don't like that. She's not even like a good apologizer either. Not a good apologizer. No, doubles down.

So I don't wanna say it's a double-edged sword cause I like her, but I don't like the way she treats people. Can I say something nice about Erica? I know I like pivoting because I'm still a little, don't know how to feel about those earrings. They're still sparkling and dangling. I think at some point you do have to get over it. I know.

And I have. Just like the rest of the world. For the most part. Let go. You never have to ask. Let it go. Just just earrings. 70 million dollars.

But she really, honestly, like it's not easy to have a fall from grace like she had and have your whole world change and to like go from mansion and opulence all this to like little bungalow in Beverly Hills and well it's still nice and I'm sure very expensive relative to like your she's really she's had nice little comeback you know like she really self-made now she's like she always been self-made but, she's had a nice little comeback, you know? Like she really- She's self-made now. Yeah, she really is. She's always been self-made. It's not easy.

But before you just had a little bit of assistance from a corrupt lawyer. But like now she's really doing it on her own. And even the remodeling of her space, it gives her this like, I like her. She's smiling more, her energy's positive. She walks into the room and she's not- Hers.

She bought a Porsche. Yeah, before she was so... She bought a Porsche. She bought a Porsche. Like before she was so defensive in the past season, she'd go in and she was ready to fight because I get it. You know, when the world feels like it's attacking you, you feel like you have to always be on guard. And she always felt on guard.

And in this season, she feels very like, I'm happy. I'm good. I'm good. That's honestly good. Yeah, she does look good. And I'm happy for her. Erica, we're happy for you. I feel like she's in a phase of like,

you can't get to me. You know, where like I went through fucking hell and like now I can take anything and like it won't, I'm good. Like it's not gonna affect me. She's been through hell and back. She's good. And I'm the same way, so. Yeah.

Yeah. Even when Dorit was like trying to butt. And I just got new earrings. Yeah. I did not get any earrings, actually. Wait, where are you? Sorry, what? Sorry, where are you going to stick it? Sorry, where?

It was just a little... We had a bit. But I was saying, even for when they were getting the facials, and she was trying to get her to be like, you don't think that Kyle's doing something wrong, that Erica was like, I'm friends with both of you. Yeah. She's very much being like,

I'm not going to be used as a pawn in anybody's game anymore either. I'm not picking sides. If you want to say things, you guys work it out, but don't involve me anymore. Yes, I love that. Same. The year started off really weird with Dorit taking her shopping,

or she asked Dorit to go shopping, and then she goes, I want you to be the first one to know, PK and I. Which was like last year was so like, you know, it was just weird. That's pretty good, Dorit. Thank you. Uh, but baby, bubba.

Oh, bubba. Buh-buh, PK. It's just, bubba. Buh-bye. PK. Um, it's just, it was nice to like see that they were starting when the, look, I need your support. You know, this is happening and you're the first one to know it. And I thought it was like, wow, what an olive branch.

Cause last year was so tumultuous, you know? Well, if she had met Bo's first, it would have been Bo's before Erica. Yeah, cause they hit it off. And I do like that friendship a lot. I love that friendship. Yeah. But then- How many times is storming off at the reunion too many?

It's been rumored that Kyle storms off twice at the reunion. But she stormed off during the show, so that's added on. So three. That's a bonus. And carry the... And over allegedly the same topic, which is her and Mo. Laiac. You mean her and PK?

Kyle? Her texting PK. Kyle texting PK? Or the Mo? I don't know. You mean her and PK? Her texting PK. Kyle texting PK? Or the Mo? I don't know. I mean. Can't keep up. I thought it had to do with Kyle's divorce.

I think everyone's allowed one. And if you do more than one, like if you do it twice, then you're like. It's getting embarrassing. It's getting embarrassing. You're stealing focus. Like don't come back. Yeah, don't come back. Get in your car.

Well, you know, from Potomac, she did that and she didn't come back. Period. Yeah, she walked off, remember? What's her name? My name? No. She used to own the chiropractor chain. Oh, oh my god.

That's criminal. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? They said she was a stripper. Mia. Mia. So Mia walked off set and then this morning announced that she would not be coming back. So, well, I kind of read that because once you leave the building, I don't think Andy's too keen on that.

It's like, you can leave the room and go to your room and like to have a moment, the camera can follow you. But once you leave the building and we can't talk to you, you're out. And if you decide you're out, then you're definitely, I think you made your way. There's no pause. There's no pausing there.

You can't pause yourself. You can't pause yourself. They pause you and then they push rewind. And yes they do. Yeah. Yeah. This has been so much fun, Harvey. Thank you.

Can you tell us where we can follow you? Where we can, oh, the plug away. Just plug away. Follow me on planes and message me. Yes, message me. Message me. Buy my C number and message me. Please don't.

It will always be one C. Absolutely. Always don't. It will always be one C. Absolutely. Always. I soon wear a coach and I don't like hoes. Follow me on Instagram and on Twitter. Harvey Guillen just my full name. Amazing. You're here right now.

Gracias. You're welcome. Well please come back. Natalia. Natalia is me. If you want. Thanks for coming. It's just me as Natalia.

I told you. I told want. Thanks for coming. It's just me as Natalia. I told you. I told you. I told you. You can check Harvey out on the new movie, Companion. What we call the show. Wait, is it? What? Say your name. It's with an H.

Yeah, but that's my stage name. My real name, yeah. Gagged. Yeah. I changed it because people couldn't pronounce my legal name. What is it? Javier. Ooh, sexy. Yeah, so I had a first agent who was like,

Javier Guillen is going to get you limited roles. And I was like, and he was Latin himself. And I was like, oh, really? He's like, yeah, what do people call you? And I was like, my family calls me Javi. Javi is like, you know, short for Javier. Javi, Javi, Javi, Harvey. And that's a Harvey.

He was like, Harvey Guillen, that sounds cool. And I was like, cool, let's go for it. Which I like now because if you know me as Harvey, Harvey? And that's a Harvey. It was like Harvey Guillen, that sounds cool. And I was like, cool, let's go for it. Which I like now because if you know me as Harvey, you know me from my work. But you know me as don't do this because people have been listening to the story recently and they come to me in places like, hey, Harvey. And they try to be like, I don't know. And you're like, do I know you? Am I related to you? Exactly. That's why I find out that I'm like, wait, we don't know each other.

But if you know me from my full name, I grew up with you, your family. So if I hear anything like that in the crowd, I'm like, oh, we don't know each other. But if you know me from my full name, I grew up with you, your family. So if I hear my name like that in the crowd, I'm like, oh my god, I know them, you know? But if I hear Harvey, how's it going? Yay. Shake and big kiss baby. Yeah, kiss. Sign forehead.

Yeah. That was mustard. I just used mustard to sign my name. But that's how that can be. But Harvey would be in Spanish, Arvi. Arvi, yes. Arvi. Arvi. Gracias, Nico.

I love it. I love this. This is a very nice Spanish lesson and I do appreciate you doing that for free. For free. Oh, no, it's that. Invoice. Oh, okay. Those flights don't pay for themselves.

I let, no. All right. And that's why we're still in World 50. Thanks, Harvey. Thanks for having me. Love you. I'm freaking out. That's why we're still in Bill 50. Thanks, Harvey. Thanks for having me. Love you.

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Tsunami. Tsunami. Did you guys watch last night? No, don't spoil. Yes, I did. We did not. Great. That's a Tuesday night watch for us because weekends are heavy reality TV.

It was my one show outside of work and now it is work. I know, that's why sometimes I don't wanna talk about stuff because I'm like, I have to. Have peace somewhere else. I can't, I don't wanna think about what I'm gonna talk about. No, you don't even have to, you know. Did I ruin it for you?

No. I do want to apologize. I said Walter Goggins last week and it is Walton. And I would never want to disrespect the man that meant the legend, Walton Goggins. Did they come for you? I don't know, but I've been thinking about it because I knew I was wrong when I said it.

I was like, no, Walton. Did you notice on Southern Charm, they changed Sienna's lower third, her descriptor, like really quick from girlfriend to ex-girlfriend in a second of when they like put her on screen. Like when he was just, she was just like, we were never dating, ex-girlfriend. Guys, that ex, her leaving was hard to watch

where she's like, don't hate me. He's like, I could never hate you. I love you. I love you. Do you think? You smell so good. It's just so hard. It's so... Definitely not an expert. I never hate you, I love you. You smell so good, it's just so hard, so. Definitely not an expert. Don't know anything about medicine or addiction or anything like that, but doesn't it feel like

Chef's behavior regarding his now ex-girlfriend, it's like giving, like, you know, he got kind of clean or whatever. It's giving just like impulsive, it's giving like he's he's replacing like the excitement and rush of the adrenaline of of partying versus with the excitement and rush of like heartbreak and pain almost. I mean as far as I know he's never had his heart broken so he said on the show that he's had his heart broken three times. I don't know how believable

that is. I mean whatever though whether he has I don't know how believable that is. Whatever though, whether he has or hasn't, I'm just saying right now he is almost leaning in to just being embarrassed and being crushed because he's giving Gambler at a casino with a gambling problem who just wants to feel the fucking comeback, right? It's like he's down bad, he's lost a ton of money,

and he's still gonna like double down, and still like give this woman flowers and write her poetry, and she clearly doesn't want it. Everyone's telling him to stop. All his friends are being like, don't spend any more money at the fucking blackjack table. And Shep's just like, you mean, what did he say? He says like unreasonable or ridiculous for Craig

to ask him to be like level-headed. I don't know what his exact wording was, but basically Shep was just like, it was insane for his friend to expect him to do something sane in a way. And I'm like, wow, this is really giving like, you know. He's having a midlife crisis is what I see. And I think when you're in love like that, I'm like, wow, this is really giving like, you know, he's having a midlife crisis is what I see.

And I think when you're in love like that, you really context and normal decision making just completely goes out the window. Yeah, when you're 19, but he's a 40 year old man who seems to be replacing, you know, like. I'm saying, I feel like this, I mean, I don't know to like, I can't speak to like how he's dealt with heartbreak in the past, but what it feels like from watching him

the last 10 years was that anybody that wanted to date him or get into a serious relationship had to understand that he is like, this is, I don't wanna get married, I don't wanna have kids, that's not for me. I don't know if the Taylor situation or what, because this is what it looks like. It's like, this is the first time somebody's telling him no when he wants it.

So he's like, this can't be reality, I always get what I want. So maybe if I pretend that this is the reality, somehow it's gonna fall into place. It's giving denial and delusion. In the worst way. Well listen, when you're in your 20s and 30s, you're not that far removed from college,

even your immediate family, your mom, dad, brothers and sisters, I don't know, like Shep's situation. But I think it's easier if you don't have a a drive to like be a mom or a dad or have a family but when you get into your 30s and 40s and people grow you know your family gets older you know maybe brothers and sisters also get in relationships have kids I don't know your parents get older you know you start taking care of them more than they're taking care of you all your friends your br you know, your Craigs of the world and your

Austin's who you thought would be your ride and die forever. And they're the ones who like had your back in your twenties and thirties. And you talked to them every day. They're the ones you like, you know, opened up to about whatever it is you wanted to open up to, you'd go out, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday together and things like that. And then people start slowly growing up and getting older and Craig is trying to do that as well.

And it's just like, when all of a sudden you're 40, then you start realizing, you know what, who's gonna be with me the rest of my life? Who's gonna be by my side through thick and thin? Who am I gonna do life together with? Because I don't know if I could do it with Austin and Craig. Maybe that idea when I was 25 seemed good enough, but now I'm not so sure.

And I feel like you're seeing a little bit of that, where it's just like, what does life look like for the next 10 or 15 years for some of these guys? Or it's just like, I don't know. They weren't concerned about it. I think Leva said that on the FaceTime where she was just kind of like, he thought that he could get this girl,

the fact that he doesn't now, he's just left with the reality that you're in your 40s and that's it. You don't have a plan, you don't have a relationship, you don't know how to go about and start these things up. So it's like he's steps behind, but it's like you're trying to force this girl to fit into a mold that she's never agreed to fitting into.

You can change fast though. I mean, like, you know, maybe this is the wake up call Shep needs, you know? Like I am- Everyone at the table being like, Sienna, are you planning on changing like your lifestyle and living in Charleston and getting married and having kids?

And she's like, no. She's like, I'm not even in a relationship. Why would I be thinking about those things? The wake up call is to stop buying shark necklaces. I'm sorry. Sorry, Megalodon necklaces. It was pretty. Taylor sat on the after show that she modeled

for a photo shoot the same Megalodon necklace. For Shep? Well, just for the brand, I think. And then Shep bought it, unconnected probably to give to Sienna. You don't think Shep saw it on Taylor and was like- Or maybe, kept it in mind. Yeah.

Yeah, hard to forget. Where did I see that before? It looks good. No. Hard to forget. Shep said it feels like them breaking up felt like death by a thousand paper cuts. I was just like, this like figurative language

that you're using to be like, nobody understands the depths of it. She just is not in you. I mean, if he's the one taking the paper and cutting himself- Literally. Yeah, Shep. I guess, like- Shep is the definite-. She's the one taking the paper and cutting himself. Literally. Yeah, Shep. Like.

Shep is the definition. You can go as fast or slow as you want, my guy. Look, no one's making you do this. Absolutely. Shep is the definition of like, certain men will like have to go and take ayahuasca and like have a mid-life crisis in order to figure out the same thing

a teenage girl figures out by listening to Lana Del Rey. Yeah, yeah. He did, okay, he did raise it. He did raise a good question of like when you're about to break up with someone, do you still give them the gift? No, no, no, right? No, anything I want my gifts back. A lot of people do, but it's always a mistake. And I've made that mistake before, but it's like they don't want it. You really want to see it through. I don't know. It's just like, this will change everything.

The Megalondon tooth, like your love is extinct, just like that shark. Also like what's the return value on this? Like is this 24 karat gold? It's a cool necklace. I'd keep that though. What's the necklace look like? It's a Megalondon tooth with like a gold like chain.

I keep saying the name, but it doesn't. You've never watched Shark Week? Oh my God, Megalondon? There's that whole movie, The Meg? The Meg. The big shark. Yeah, huge, ancestral shark. Like are they real, is my question.

But why is that a necklace you would like always give to a girl? That's what he gave her? That big black one. It has like gold. And this is Taylor with the same necklace on. It's very Southern man giving a gift. Prehistoric. Megalodon. Have you received a lot of those from Southern man giving a gift. Prehistoric necklace.

Have you received a lot of those from Southern men? That is pretty common in the South, like on the coast to like give shark necklaces, shark tooth necklaces. I loved a shark tooth necklace as a kid. There's a lot of like higher end places that not just get to. I've given a shark tooth necklace

and I've bought shark tooth necklaces for myself. Mary is sharp. As a kid I was. I do. The Southern hospitality boys, there is a part of me that I'm like, damn, this is. This feels familiar. This feels very familiar to me.

Austin and Craig had a one-on-one, right? Where they saw eye to eye. And I couldn't stop laughing when Austin was like, you hear an embellisher and Craig was like, I'm a lawyer and a storyteller. Is he either? So that's why you lie? No, he didn't go to law school, right?

It was a lie. He did, he did. And he does have a law practice in Charleston. Craig has a law practice? I thought he never followed through with it. Wait, so he is a lawyer. I thought he never passed the bar. Yeah, that's what I thought it was.

No, he did. Why doesn't he lead with that? so he is a lawyer. I thought he never passed the bar. Yeah, that's what I thought it was. No, he did. Why doesn't he lead with that? Cause he is a pillow empire king. True. And he also has one more business too. Oh, and then he has got the restaurant. So he's-

I mean, like everyone knows Rachel Lindsay is a lawyer. And when was the last time she practiced law? I don't know, but Craig Conover is a personal injury lawyer in Charleston, South Carolina, who founded the Conover Law Firm in 2021. The firm helps people with car accidents, truck accidents, and on the job injuries. He's an personal injury lawyer in Charleston, South Carolina, who founded the Conover Law Firm in 2021. The firm helps people with car accidents, truck accidents, and on the job injuries. He's an ambulance chaser.

A billboarder. Does he have a billboard? That'd be cool. I bet he does. You know, they're all over himself. Why don't we know this about Craig? I thought he never passed the bar exam. This is new news to me.

No, everybody gave him so much shit throughout the seasons that he did end up finishing taking the bar and then yeah He opened up his own practice. Good for him. Then how's that going still open still functioning? It says he passed the bar in 2017 and swore in the following year Is there any people out there with like a neck brace being like that Craig Carnover gave sure I made me a $1000 or something 10,000 by just downloading this app I made me a thousand dollars or something. 10,000 by just downloading this app. Well.

Does he have a commercial? That's his commercial and the phone number. Have you been rear-ended by a bad day? The phone number is 829 Hurt. I love it. That's really cute actually. No, it's great. I want to, why doesn't he leave?

Why don't we have any scenes of- Of Lawyer Craig? Maybe he wants to keep it separate. Like, why couldn't Craig help JT with his like Kane situation? Didn't he have an injury or something? That was his own doing. Like, isn't that in like overseas? When he was driving the car himself and like it tipped, I think.

I have a feeling he's overseeing and other people are practicing the cases. He's like, I'm in Charleston. No, I'm in Nashville. So down south like this is hours of operation. Is's like, I'm in Charleston. Nope, I'm in Nashville, someone down South. Like this is hours of operation. Is he like, technically open right now? Yeah. Pull up the Yelp.

Like life fender bendered right now. You want me to call him? The tagline is don't get run over, call Conover. Oh, cute. That's a good one. That is so creative. Call the number and be like, someone just ran over my ego.

What are you? No, we shouldn't bring call Conovers. That is so creative. Call the number and be like, someone just ran over my ego. No? We shouldn't prank call con overs. We shouldn't prank the people that orchestrate and use the law against others. If we're gonna do it, we should do it with... I hit Sue Dillon. Yes, Sue Dillon. What?

What just happened? Sue Dillon, that's what she talks. She prank calls people and she's like, I hit Sue Dillon. Sue Dillon? Oh, on TikTok? Yeah. What is people and she's like, I hit Sue Dillon. Sue Dillon. Oh, on TikTok? Yeah. What is she doing?

Yeah, she wears the wig and she like smokes cigarettes and she sits in the corner of her house and she like prank calls people for them and she'll be like, my bush needs to be shaved. That's how she talks to people. She'll call the front desk. Look her up, that's how she talks to people.

She'll call people and be like, I'm in the bathroom right now. Please pull it up because I look stupid. Hurry. You need to be hired as a voice actress for horror movies because that was terrifying. Listen to her. Just click on one of them. She said any will do.

Are those cigarette in your earrings? Yeah. May I speak with Katie? Oh my gosh. Hi baby, it's nice to meet you. I'm just calling because I'm dating your daddy, JT. I love you. I love you too.

I love you too. I love you too. I love you too. I love you too. I love you too. I love you it's nice to meet you. I'm just calling because I'm dating your daddy, JT. Oh, is she? She's getting it. Your mutt shit in my yard. She's serving like.

It's not a mutt, it's a pure breed beagle. She's like, that mutt. All right, well up next, she recently left the Castle of Traders because she backstab stabbed her friend Danielle again And now we get to find out why Brittany Brittany

Hi, how are you? Good? I love your aesthetic. Like what are what do we call this? It's giving earthy Yeah, earth tones, but like it it's giving like, pour out your heart and tell us all your deepest, darkest secrets and. Is that what, is that your gig? That's what you do? Well, it's okay. We just want you to say whatever it is you wanna say, you know, like, I don't know.

We're here to invite people to be their truest selves. Oh really, that's the goal, you go deep? We go deep. It's like a deep thinking. But sure. Okay. Yeah. I wasn't prepared for that. I'm all about keeping it light. Well, do you

think the earth is flat or Yeah, quick. Give us your biggest conspiracy theory. I'm very, very against the idea that the earth is flat. Oh, very good. Well, thank God we got that out of the way. Impassioned. Impassioned. Have you survived the wrath of Traitor Nation? Does Traitor Nation have a nickname? Is it like, or do we need? I think once a fan base becomes toxic enough, they get like a name. You know, I think that's really the barometer.

Are you pulling from Bachelor Nation? I am, yes, yes. They are in fact toxic enough to have a name like Bachelor Nation. What is Bravo? Yes, Bravosphere. Bravosphere, they're definitely toxic enough. I love you guys, but let's be honest here, a little toxic. Well, and like a ton of the comments that I see,

because it's just my algorithm, are Big Brother, like Big Brother fans. So the Big Brother fan segment of the Traders fans was very, they were very riled up. It was very intense, a very intensive situation. I don't know if they have a name. At you stabbing Daniela in the back again, is that what they're referring to?

Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. Even though I have like a really good defense, but yeah, pretty much. I'm on your side, but I would love to hear your defense. Not that I need to hear it, but maybe some people do. Well, that's just the narrative that's out there, is this like crazy story of betrayal. And it's like, really like the details matter.

So I feel very much on my own side that it was not a crazy story of betrayal. Like to me, if I was gonna stab Danielle on the back, the method for that would have been that I would have gone to the confessional and said, tonight's the night. I'm pulling the trigger on Danielle. I want to be the last traitor standing. I've got this idea. I'm going to plant these seeds. I'm going to go to the banishment table and I'm going to lay out this evidence against Danielle. That would have been a betrayal, right? A takedown of Danielle. The situation that I found myself in, rather, was that I actually

attempted to save her life in the game. I went around, I tried to get votes for her. I worked really aggressively and really hard. We got to the banishment table. It didn't work. Everybody was so rallied against her that that wasn't going to happen. And I was forced into a situation where I had to choose my own self-preservation over preserving us as a duo and in doing so I had to vote with the majority which happened to be against her. So I personally don't see it as like this crazy attack and betrayal. I feel it's a very, very different scenario than say, you know, what I said would qualify to me as a betrayal.

But listen, it's flashier and zestier if we call it a backstabbing of betrayal. So by all means. Does Danielle see your POV at this point or, or no, do you think? I think that she does actually. Yeah. And I think that probably like the discrepancy between my POV on reindeer games and my POV on traders in the way that she is able to receive it is that she herself had to do a lot of strategic game moves on traders that existed

for the reason of self-preservation in her own mind. And so it gives her a little bit more of a sympathetic or an empathetic eye to what the position that I was in versus when we were on ranger games the first time it had been so long that she played since she played that she was probably way more annoyed. I think that this time when Trader she's like, yeah, it was a bad position to be in. It sucked. I get it. I think that she's more open to it this time.

She kind of sold you out after you voted for her because it. She totally did, yeah. She basically was like, yeah, well, you're cool, you're cool, Brittany's a fucking traitor, I'm out, bye. Yeah, basically. Basically, yeah. And I had to try to flip that on its head

and flip that back on Dylan. And I had to try really hard. I was specifically remembering everything that she said to him because I knew that he was the target I was gonna have to go after. And so I tried to spin it, but yeah, it was a bad look. And you know, she was acting off of emotion. She was pissed.

She was pissed. So I mean, I'm not surprised. It had happened prior. Bob the Drag Queen did the same thing to Boston Rob. So it wasn't surprising. Something I was gonna have to contend with. I can't even really be that mad about it because otherwise she's basically saying like,

okay, it's cool with me if you win. So I get it. Your logic was basically, cause like had you voted for Danielle, then it would have been a tie again, right? And then what, they would have coin flipped it? Or like? They would have, we don't know for sure

because the situation's never happened, but we knew it would be left to chance. So sure, probably a coin flip. In that scenario, 50% that she goes anyway, right? Like in that scenario, she still has a 50-50 shot of going home anyway, and I'm going to have not voted against her twice. And if Dolores

does end up switching her vote to Danielle, I'll be the only person who wouldn't vote for her. And that's a very bad look. Being the only person, because I know she's going to stand up there and she say she's a trader, whether I vote her out or whether she coin flips and goes up, she's going to say she's a traitor. And being the only person who won't vote for a traitor, really bad luck, really indefensible. That's evidence that we've presented against multiple

people in the game at this point. So I definitely didn't wanna be in a situation where Dolores does switch her vote and then I'm the only one who wouldn't vote against her. Yeah, so basically you're just like, I'm not leaving my existence here down to a coin flip. I either make this vote and try to take the wheel or I leave it to a coin flip and deal with the repercussions. Makes sense to me.

Yeah. I get it too. I mean, have y'all talked? Like are y'all friends? Yeah, we actually, we talked after the reunion, because during the reunion, we had like this crazy argument about the reindeer game, not even about craters. Like, of course, it goes back to the peppermint forest. And so after the reunion, we had a good conversation. Actually, like our first I feel productive conversation about the reindeer games, wish we had had

that maybe prior, I think that I, I don't ever want to speak for her. Like she can feel however she wants to feel. I think that she's more receptive to it. I think that things are good but you know I leave it to her to tell her side. I don't have any problems online. What did you think of the remaining faithful, all leaving together and having four winners. Because you definitely were like the only drama of the entire finale. And then it was just like, oh, okay. I couldn't believe that with the argument I presented against Dylan, that it didn't get him banished.

Like even if I didn't get him banished over me, that's fine, like kick me out first. But is nothing that I said still lingering in your mind? Like I had so much good evidence against him. What did you say? I don't feel like a lot of it. Yeah, a lot of it did get cut, but like him and Danielle had worked together as a unit from early on in the game.

So any evidence that he had that was contingent on the fact that Danielle and I were allies, I had that same evidence against him the fact that Danielle and I were allies I had that same evidence against him the night that all the people went into the coffins He self admittedly had been in the room where they did the writing of it down Yeah, and so I presented this whole argument about who was in the bookcase Dylan was in the bookcase. I was never in the bookcase I would never go to the bookcase like I had this whole thing about Dylan being in the bookcase. I was never in the bookcase. I would never go to the bookcase. I had this whole thing about Dylan being in the bookcase and how that he made better sense

as a recruit for Danielle. If Danielle was in the situation to recruit, which is why there was this clip of me saying, if someone was recruited, it wasn't me. That was in direct response to Dylan saying, I think you would be recruited. And I put that back on him and said, listen, you make way better since as a recruit because everyone thinks you're a faithful. So if you're gonna recruit someone, why would you recruit someone who's already suspect? Why would you not recruit someone

who's a super diehard faithful if you're gonna try to stick together and make it to the end together? Why recruit me when I could recruit you? You're a perfect recruit. You make a great point. And honestly, I think that was a huge mistake in Danielle's game.

Like I would have recruited Gabby or Dylan because she was so locked in. Yeah, and we would have definitely, yeah. She was so locked in on you. It's just like everyone just assume, and rightfully so, and like had she picked the other two, it would have changed everything. But if she picked the other two, it would have changed everything. But if she picked the other two,

she was almost literally just handing them a win. With me, my name was already suspect, so it was like if we don't go together, neither of us go. If she gives it to someone like Dylan, he literally, she's just handing him a win because she's still gonna get banished, but she's gonna go to the end of the game and win the whole thing. In her mind, it's like,

yeah, I want to let Brittany win as long as I can win too. I don't really want to just let Iver win. I mean, she literally would have just been handing him the money. You know what I mean? That's true. I was the only one that was also a little bit suspicious. But yeah, it annoys me that they didn't, not that I don't like Dylan, I love Dylan, but come on, that was a good argument.

Like none of you are even suspicious after this great argument. That's annoying to me. They were just looking into his eyes. And then Iver said at the banishment table that night that he wasn't there for the money. And I think that he thinks that the whole like kumbaya thing is like really gonna go over well and resonate with audiences. No, that's like the worst thing you could say. If for no other reason, I would have been like,

Ivar, you literally said 10 minutes ago you weren't here for the money. And so I'm so happy to have given you this experience, but you're getting the boot. Cause I am here for the money. So, bye. Yeah, they could at least vote it off Ivor. He's like, bro, you're a fucking royal,

you don't need this shit. Yeah. And he literally said it. He was like, and I think we all know, we didn't come here for the money. And I'm like, is he insane? Yes, we did. That's the only reason we're here.

Like, what? He said the words. Like, he basically said, like like you can vote me out if you want i i just why split it four ways when you can kick him and split it three ways like it just doesn't make fiscal sense i'm sorry but they're fiscally irresponsible people that's an extra fifteen thousand dollars yeah they're irresponsible in making great um finale television and they're irresponsible fiscally if nothing else maybe they're great people they're irresponsible fiscally, if nothing else. Maybe they're great people, but they're fiscally irresponsible.

You tell them, Brittany. We had Krishel on. She talked about the whole Danielle swearing on her grandchildren. You are the closest to her, I would imagine. Where do you think that came from? Was she really just like, I'm in, no matter what? Oh, it definitely came from like, she's trying to sell the idea really, really hard. I was a part of the conversation that Krishel was in. It was separate from the conversation that you heard about on the reunion.

It was a different time when she did it in front of Krishel and I. And while, so you just have to kind of understand, because I know Danielle or I was very aware of Danielle's game, it didn't exonerate her for me. It did for them because they have no context of like these games, how people play these games, Big Brother players in general, sadly. But like, so for me, when she did it, I was just like, all right, you know, it's just words coming from her, because I knew that that would be like, something that she would do and justify by saying like, listen, this is a game.

Like this is, you know, this is the whole Big Brother mantra is like, it's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. However, Chris shell saying it, like, absolutely absolutely I knew that she was a faithful after that because I knew that just Crichelle's personality and her history, it's just not something she would do. So absolutely, Crichelle and Dolores in that moment, like they earned my trust 100%. Danielle, I was like, yeah, cool. But like, yeah, you know, you just know

it's a little different whenever you're working with someone who comes from like Survivor or Big Brother. So Danielle swore on her grandkids and then like Rochelle and other people were also swearing on things that were important to them basically? Yes, correct. Yeah, it becomes, well, like in that scenario,

it becomes like peer pressure, right? Like if somebody brings it up, then everybody else has to like, oh, yeah, I swear on mine, too. And what if you didn't? Because like, I don't know, like I for for a game, my daughter, I'm sorry, I ain't swearing on fucking anything. I don't care if I'm a faithful or a traitor. I ain't doing that shit. Like if you if you're not lying,'s, it's not really like an emotional, it was, I will say like Dolores, as soon as it happened, she immediately said like, I'm disgusted that I just did that.

Like you could tell that she was like not happy with herself that she had even done it in the first place. Like it bothered her to do it again. That's how I was like, well, she's for sure a faithful because it was like impactful to her. Like she did not like it. And to do it. Again, that's how I was like, well, she's for sure a faithful because it was like impactful to her. Like she did not like it. And I get it. I don't think that I could lie like that either. I really don't.

I'm in a different situation. I think it's left to the individual. I've been through personal life experiences that would make me like I couldn't. Plus I have anxiety. Welcome to having anxiety. If you're a person who has anxiety, you have this like tendency to believe that words and energy like actually can change biology and

make like a meaningful impact on what happens in the real world. If you don't have that affliction, congrats. It must be nice to sleep all night every night. He must just sleep so well. I am plagued with anxiety. So like, no, I don't think that I could like lie like that. But again, you just gotta know the source. Coming off of that statement, obviously you are a mom, you've talked about your kids. How bad were or are your intrusive thoughts? Oh my God, the worst.

And they, it's so heightened for whatever reason like I don't even understand why this happens. But anytime that I go into a really, really stressful situation, it like brings it back. You know what I mean? Like it for some reason it like bubbles it up and like it makes it I don't know if it's because it's sort of like reintroducing the mental environment that you were in when you were in like the your worst state. I don't know if you can relate to this at all, Nick, either when it's like having

filmed other shows, but it's like, it brings up like all of your worst deepest and you have to actively fight against that while also trying to accomplish whatever you're trying to accomplish on the show. Interesting. It's really weird. I don't even know how to describe it. How we're working with other bachelor people, obviously Gabby did very well.

Wells went home right away. But I also feel like bachelor people historically do very well on these shows, even though people often don't expect them to. Yeah, they do well because they're great faithfuls. They're just really great faithfuls. We haven't, well, Ari became a traitor way, way, way late in the game.

Yeah, season one. And then, yeah, and then he quit because of it. Like he literally couldn't go through the like emotional torture of trying to cut someone's throat. So he just quit. No, like bachelor people are so afraid of being like the villain or looking like the bad guys. So like the idea of a traitor and having to kill someone is just like it gives them the heebie jeebies. It's just like it's

Yeah, like he was he literally was just like, Oh, now I will have to fight for my life and try to cut your throat. I'm good. It's been a good time, you guys. I'm out and he walked away from the fire like it was crazy. But yeah, people from bachelor make great faceballs because they don't really have like the gamer mentality They're like but they're good at they're good on camera. They're good at like forming connections and making it kind of fun and having fun with it But when it comes to like the actual game, they're not seen as threatening because they're not just like super game literate, if you will. So you're not a threat. I'm not a threat. There you go. I hope I get a chance.

Actually, you were rumored to be on that season. Like I had read spoilers that you were going to be there. That's what I've heard. I think I'm rumored to be on every season until I get on one season, I guess. I don't know, maybe because we cover it or something. I don't know. I hope someday I get the chance. I hope someday my schedule allows it. It looks like a lot of fun. That's it? You didn't have fun? You didn't have fun?

You always have fun in retrospect. Like you get home and you're like, oh look, I'm on a helicopter, whee, that's so fun. But like when you're actually doing it, it's horrible. Like you're away from home for a month. You don't have any contact with your family. You're in this like paralytic anxiety state at all times. All the obtrusive thoughts like it's yeah, it's difficult. Like you work for the money. I'll tell you that much. Like it's work on your mind, body and soul. But then there's always the retrospective

where you're like, oh, that was great. Like I loved that person, that was so fun. I'd like to go back for a day. You feel that way about anything that you film, but it's always miserable when you're filming. Okay, well, Brittany, thank you very much for taking the time and giving us that insight. Do you think maybe any more like big brother,

like all stars, are you looking for more? Who knows, who knows? I don't know. I would take a call. I would never do Big Brother again and it's like traditional three month long format because it's just not conducive to my family anymore. It's a little harmless Christmas themed spinoff.

What could go wrong? Okay. What could go wrong? Maybe someday, you know, Traders is three seasons now. You think they'll have a Traders All-Stars? I don't know. I mean, I've definitely heard people say that they suspect that they will.

Who knows? It's not in any of our hands. So we can put it out there, but it's up to the powers that be at Peacock to agree. Well, it's a very popular show right now. So, you know, when they make money, they look to make more. So who knows? Brittany, thanks so much for taking the time.

We appreciate you. Where can people follow you? Plug away. Tell them all the good stuff. Yeah, follow me on Brittany underscore Hanes is my Instagram. And I have Trader's recaps on my Patreon account. And you can find the link there in my bio

and I'm going to start covering my OG aired in 2010, Big Brother 12 season on my Patreon account. All about the nostalgia. All right, well check it out. Brittany, appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, take care, bye bye.

She made a good point about like, it's almost as if Danielle had no way to win at that point. Unless, I mean, Brittany was her, I guess, only option. It makes sense. I could listen to people talk about gameplay for hours. It's so interesting. It's so interesting. It's a strategy and.

I mean, I don't agree with her. If I was the four Faith Bulls, I'd have been like, we have to stay or else one of you guys is getting crucified. Cause like, she was saying that they should do what Trishaw and CT do. Where she was like, why wouldn't you just like take the money and vote someone out? But MJ got played in that and I'm like, no, I would do the opposite.

Well, that's, that's maybe the thing is just like the, the alliances weren't as strong as, uh, CT and Trishaw. Yeah. Like they obviously had been friends from their time on the challenge together. And it seemed like Gabby and and Dylan were like maybe the closest line to that point But that was after a whole season of like Dylan going after Gabby as he mentioned us and is going deeper episode You really have to have someone that you're gonna be like I'm gonna fuck these other people over

You know you kind of have to know like CT and in Trichelle like kind of knew Hey, we're gonna screw over MJ. I agree with Brittany though on the Iver thing, like seems like a nice guy, but he's a royal, he's not there for the money, get him out. Like split the money between the workers. But in the moment without being able to talk to any of your peers, are you really gonna like

actually do that and assume that everyone else is aligned with you? Because no one really was. I mean, you actually don't need to one red flame. You know, it only takes one red flame and then you can be like, this guy doesn't need the fucking money. He's rich. He's rich. Yeah.

That's why you have to be Dolores and go in there and just like, tell me right now or not. And I'll fucking kill you. Like, just tell me, are you going to vote me out? Mm hmm. I was like to Dylan's point, too. And he was like, it's not worth ending a friendship or screwing over a friend for ten thousand extra dollars. Like. Speak for yourself.

I'd sell all of you out for 10,000 dollars. Good to know, Mary. Good to know. Well, breaking news, the second season of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives will launch on May 15th on Hulu. Just announced. So it's not on ABC. No.

So it did not take The Bachelorette airing time, so that rumor is debunked. Hmm. Yeah. Well, like we said, we have Emmy and Will with us tomorrow for a very juicy episode of Going Deeper to talk all about the Summer House Potality reunion, why Will wasn't there, what's going on with their relationship,

all that drama and so much more will be tomorrow. Do we feel comfortable we left off summer house? I mean, we didn't, we didn't talk about how Sierra laughed at Wes's joke. And he was like, I feel better now. That's a very me thing to feel better about. I really related to West in that moment. Cause it was when Kyle was like, I mean, anybody can invest $25,000 into the company and Wes was like, I don't have that money right now.

And Sierra was like, that's kind of funny actually. It was just self-deprecating enough of Wes for her to be comfortable enough to laugh about it. Yeah. Oh, it takes. I could see the cause in Wes's mind. He's so poor, ha, I feel better about myself. And Wes was like, yes, she likes me.

I think Kyle was more offended by Paige calling him the dictator of the dinner table instead of Two-Face. He was like, call me that one more time. And she's like, dictator of the dinner table instead of two-faced. He was like, call me that one more time, and she's like, dictator of the dinner table. I don't know, I don't agree with how Kyle handled it, per se. But clearly Kyle feels on an island. He feels alone, and not saying who's right or wrong, but I don't know, if you're married, and you know,

Kyle has had his transgressions against Amanda well documented in the things he said and shouldn't say towards his wife. But you shouldn't have to like fight with your partner, your spouse, about like having each other's back and feeling like your partner has your back. And I don't know how Kyle and Amanda got into the point in which they got into.

But clearly Kyle feels like he is on an island as it relates to his business. And while I don't agree with how things might be handled, if there are rumors being spread about him and his business that are coming from Craig and these rumors are negatively affecting his business, I would feel a certain way about it. There aren't rumors that are,

Craig just worked with a different company. No, but like, I don't know, wasn't Kyle saying about like, you know. Kyle's upset with Hannah for saying that he got her fired. Sure, but everything that's going on between like, Hannah and Craig and all these rumors, you know, all the things that Kyle's mad about. Yeah, but I'm like, in Amanda's defense,

I'm like, Amanda had Kyle's back when it came to Hannah and that ruined a friendship with her. They're like, cannot even be in the same room. Did Kyle get Hannah fired? That I don't know. They said it was disproven in this episode. Yeah, I'm like, if you watched this season, I was like, Hannah didn't do herself any favors

while being on the show. Why did Hannah get fired? I don't know why Hannah got fired. She just wasn't asked back for the following season. I, what she's saying that Kyle did was that Kyle got mad because she did an ad for Truly and that he went to production to get her fired. Amanda says that that's not true. I don't think Hannah was getting along with a lot of the cast members.

That seems unlikely. I think the history when I look it up, it looks like the reason people think Kyle got her fired is because she implied that Kyle was the reason she didn't get asked back. We don't know. Yeah. I mean, the fact that there is not one different label of alcohol anywhere in that house on

camera shows that Kyle definitely has an upper hand than most of these people. He does. He does. They have production laying out his company and will not allow any competition around. I mean, if you're Kyle, I mean, you fight for that right, you know? Yeah, that's true. What if you like have a Loverboy allergy? Would you just not be able to go on Summer House?

Lindsey did have the champagne. But they did not show that brand. They didn't show the label. They didn't show what the fuck it was. She just said, I have a non-alcoholic champagne in there. And Carl's drinking non-alcoholic Loverboys when they're cheersing. I'm just saying that I'm like, I do feel like unfortunately Kyle's in the wrong here

because it's like your issue is with Craig, your issue is with Hannah. And instead of reaching out to those two people, you're now putting one of Amanda's best friends in a tough spot to where it's either have Kyle's back and fight with your friends or be on my side. But like Kyle- Yeah, I don't get what Paige is supposed to do.

Exactly. It's like it's not Paige's responsibility. That's why it's just more like, and the fight was between like Kyle and Paige, I get that, but I'm just saying like Kyle shouldn't feel like he's on an island. Yeah. That's just what happens when you have the DJ table.

Yeah, and I'm like, Amanda's gonna have her girlfriends back where it's like she even thinks, she even said this man is off his rocker. Like you're yelling at Paige about something two people did that it's none of Paige's responsibility. So now you're just putting me in an awkward position with my friend. Like rage texting someone is.

Crazy. Wow. Or rage text the right person that you're mad at. This poor girl's waking up being like, what the fuck? What did I do to you? Where's my name in any of this? Even if Craig's on Do Not Disturb, you can push through. I'll, one other thing though, I will say though.

It's just, it's tough in adult relationships, especially when money or business or like adult topics sometimes get intertwined with friendships. Sometimes you have to pick sides and it's really tough to play both sides or maintain friendships with two opposing sides who are in conflict with each other. Eventually you just are forced to pick a side. While I don't agree with Kyle and how he went after Paige, I guess I can see a situation where Kyle's married to Amanda, Amanda and Paige are best friends. There's, you know, Paige is hosting her podcasts

with Hannah, who like very much Kyle and Hannah don't get along, and every once in a while, Hannah's on their very popular show talking her shit, and then Paige's ex-boyfriend or then boyfriend is like, I just, I can see why things get like a little like convoluted, and every once in a while, you know, here is Kyle hanging around Paige who's like recently was just hanging around Hannah who recently said some shit about his

business. I'm just saying eventually it's just really hard to constantly be Switzerland and sometimes like, you know, you need to take a stand and sometimes friends involved are just like, you know, get pissed being like, why are you, why do you hang out with that piece of shit or why do you fuck with that person and blah, blah, blah. Not agreeing with anything, but I just like, you know, get pissed, being like, why are you, why do you hang out with that piece of shit, or why do you fuck with that person, and blah blah blah. Not agreeing with anything, but I just like, it's really hard to be Switzerland over and over, and then like maintain this level of like, you know, Paige is acting like a martyr

for like trying to play both sides, but it's also like, and I get it, for her standpoint, she wants to be friends with everyone, but I'm just saying eventually that clock ticks, and eventually someone comes and says, hey, you can't be Swinsorland anymore. I need you to pick a side. And all I'm saying is I kind of get that.

But I'm just like at the end of the day, I'm like Paige is gonna choose Hannah over Kyle any day. Sure. Though I'm like, and at the end of the day, those are both her coworkers. Kyle is a coworker, Hannah is her coworker. She may pick Hannah 10 times out of 10. I'm just saying if,

well I don't agree with how Kyle's handled it. I'm just, I can get why. I can get why eventually he's just like, I don't care, like fine, you're not on my fucking side. You know, there's a lot of times where Natalie and I will have conversations with people we hang out with or acquaintances of ours or people at times we've like referred to as friends.

And every once in a while, I'll say to Natalie or she'll say to me, these people aren't our friends. And you really, as you get in adulthood, like you need to know who your friends are, and you need to know who has your back, and you need to know who's talking shit when you're not around, and who is defending you if shit gets talked behind your back when you're not there.

And that's good to know who those people are. And I just eventually, it gets to a point where you're just like, I don't wanna fuck with people who I know don't have our back. And I kinda get it, period. Anyways, that's, we'll do it for us this episode tomorrow. Don't forget, Will and Emmy of Southern Hospitality. If you haven't been watching this show,

you are missing out. Many have called it, what is replacing your Vanderpump rules itch. So if you're looking for messy people working at a bar and like fucking and dating and accusing each other of sleeping around, this is the show for you. And we have Will and Emmy addressing all of the rumors and drama tomorrow on Going Deeper.

And then we're back on Thursday for another Hit Reality Recap episode. We'll see you then, bye bye.