The Viall Files - E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

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to have their hands full. Don't miss the all new season of Farmer Wants a Wife Thursday on Fox. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vyfiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick and everyone is fired at The Bachelor. I don't even know who's running that. Nobody. Huh? Nobody.

Nobody? Like it's, we got after the final rose next week and I don't know who's in charge. We don't know if it's going to air. Yeah, do you think Grant's in charge? Amongst the most recent, what, deadline in an article a couple weeks ago talking about the toxic workplace environment over at the, I don't even know what you call it because Warner Brothers produces the show, but Warner Brothers, it's produced by Next Media, which was the company I think originally owned or started by Mike Fleiss, I think. And that's where all the production team like works out of, but it's also like kind of run by Warner Brothers.

I don't know, I don't totally, totally get it. Anyways, yeah, so the showrunners Claire and Bennett are no longer with the show, so. Do we think they left on their own accord? I think they got fired. You think they got fired? Yeah, I don't think they were like, oh, there's some rumors going on about us.

You know what, for the good of the show, let's. Step away. Let's step away. I think it's been fascinating as someone, Bennett was kind of like the, I think to my knowledge, I know two people who still are working. Well, no longer Bennett. Yeah, I know I'm including Bennett in that, but I don't know. You said, I know., I know two people who still are working. Well, no longer Bennett.

Yeah, I know I'm including Bennett in that, but I don't know. You said, I know. I still know two people. Oh, who's the other person? I don't think you've never met him. Oh, mystery. Uh.

Uh. It seems like, so when Mike Fleiss left the show, there was a big, I think we talked about this, this big kind of shake up. And Mike Fleiss is, you know, for those who don't know the creator of the show, he's been like living on an island in literally Hawaii. When he felt like kind of sticking his nose in it, he would like tell people what to do. And then sometimes he would take a hiatus. It was kind of very, no one really knew what

was going on. Anyways, and so when he stepped out or got pushed out or whatever, there's still like, people think he's still very much involved, but there was a big shakeup and they brought in this Claire person from Bachelor Canada, brought her down. And then a lot of people who were kind of running things were let go. Bennett was like the lone survivor of like the OG group. And a lot of people had hurt feelings about,

you know, how that all went down. And I think a lot of people felt like Bennett left them kind of hanging, so to speak. Mixed feelings. I mean, it can go both ways. Business is business. But I think a lot of people were upset with, I think, Bennett because he was kind of the last man standing. And this Claire person came in from Bachelor Canada and those two seemingly took over. They kind of got in locks up with each other. And again, these are all just rumors or just opinions from people who have worked on the show

and things that I've heard, but it seems like a lot of people, they all kind of blame Claire. Well, what seasons has Claire run? I don't forget when she started. She worked on Joey's season for sure. There was another person, his name was Jason, and it was Jason, Bennett and Claire kind of running things.

And then Jason got pushed out by Claire and Bennett. Allegedly. And somehow, some way, Jason got let go. Allegedly. I heard that they kind of pushed him out, but again, this is all speculation, this is all rumors. They're not rumors, they're whisperings. Well, no, what I'm sharing are opinions from people,

but yeah, this is what I've heard from people like in it. So yeah, it's kind of fascinating. Someone from Canada is being mean? I don't know if she's being mean, but I think a lot of people don't appreciate, I guess. I don't know, you know. I mean, the Hollywood Reporter article says their exits come in the wake of allegations that Freeland and Gravedner oversaw a, in quotes, toxic and hostile workplace on The Bachelor claims

the payer have denied through their attorney. So I mean, through the attorney, they denied it, according to Hollywood Reporter, but. And the attorney's statement is, my clients are well-respected professionals with a long history in this business. They are frankly stunned and saddened by some of the things they are hearing now

for the first time. It doesn't seem like they're very respected if all these people are like, hey, toxic work environment. It's giving PR training. Yeah, a dozen current and former staff members on The Bachelor accused them of creating a culture of fear and secrecy.

But no, they're respected. But I trust the player. Well, I mean, there's a difference between like, raising, you know, I don't know. I think, I honestly don't know what to think. I think there are a lot of hurt feelings by what happened a couple years ago. I think the Gen finale,

I think they caught a lot of heat for that. That was Claire and Bennett. Whose idea was it Claire or was it Bennett? I don't know. They caught a lot of heat for that. They made a lot of decisions. And what I've heard is they kind of just left a lot of people out and they kind of siloed themselves.

Anyways, it just seems like there was a lot of toxicity, a lot of bad feelings, a lot of people out and they kind of silo themselves. Anyways, it just seems like there was a lot of toxicity, a lot of bad feelings, a lot of people feeling like they were getting pushed out. What was described to me is very Game of Thrones over there. I'm like, how do they choose the next King of the Throne? Well, that will be interesting because again, it's very much like the Batch of Franchise

is run by Warner Brothers, right? And there's been a lot of mix up there, but it's also like ABC is the distributor. ABC slash Hulu slash Disney, ultimately Disney, and I don't really know how they decide all those things. But there's a lot of say that ABC has, even though they're not the ones that produce it, right? So I think that's always kind of been their challenge about like, there's always been a lot of fighting for like,

who has the right to do what between ABC and Warner Brothers. So it'll be interesting to see it. Will ABC maybe get more pull with the shakeup or not? I don't know, but. We shall see. I hope with the shakeup, they also shake up the show a little bit. Same, that's what I'm hoping.

I hope so too. I hope this is an opportunity, but I don't know if they will. Well, cause I hope what happens is that like new people come in and then the work environment on their end becomes less toxic if it was in fact that way. And then people like kind of get their like creativity back and are excited to like shake things up on the show and it ripples.

I always thought it was interesting that that Claire, this Claire person got hired because like she got hired right after she basically destroyed Bachelor in Paradise Canada. Like it no longer exists. What happened there? Well, does it exist anymore? I don't think so.

I don't know. Well, I don't know. I've never really seen it or watched it or followed it, but I don't know if there's a story. I just know that it no longer exists. And they're like, she's the right person for us. So it's like, she has a trail of coming in and like being like, oh, let's just get rid of Bachelorette.

Let's just get rid of Bachelorette. You know what they need to bring back? They need to bring back the, was it called the Bachelor Games? It's called Bachelor Pad, you mean? Bachelor Pad, yeah, the one where they like, they cross all the seasons and then they would like play and be partners.

You're thinking Winter Games. No, she's talking about Bachelor Pad, which came out before Bachelor in Paradise. It was their original spin-off. Some say before their time, before like competition, reality shows from like bringing back old cast members and doing silly games and things like that. Like a lot of people thought it was great.

For whatever reason, this was years ago. I loved it. This was years ago. I never watched it either, but I was familiar with it. And then they canceled it. And then that's when they took a couple year break. And that's how Bachelor in Paradise started. Because they were looking for a different spin-off.

And again, maybe it was just before time. This was before obviously Traders came out and the success of that and all these competition shows where they brought like, you know, like they have Love Island All Stars, you know, and things like that, you know, and never, it didn't work back then and seems to work now. So I don't know.

It says 2010. It was so good. Three seasons, yeah. Yeah, that three seasons and went away. And then like, what, 2014 was the first year of Paradise, something like that. Was that also the same show where like at the end, they like, similar to how it is on Love Island where they get the chance to either split the money or like if they both...

There was a big scene where this guy didn't do it. His name was Nick and like he it was like if you both agree to keep it you split it and if one person agrees to keep it and the other person if some person says like keep it and the other person says share it, the person who keeps it gets it. And this guy named Nix took it and was very much hated, but he took like $250,000 and left the girl hanging. Left the girl hanging. So rude. It was wild. The exact opposite of the Traders finale.

It was a big deal. It was the opposite of the four Traders coming together. It's what Brittany would have done in the Traders finale. It is what Brittany would have done. Well, speaking finale. It is what Brittany would have done. Yeah. Well, speaking of Bachelor, we had fantasy sweets episode this week. Well, he's clearly picking.

Juliana. Juliana. My girl. Boy cried. She gave a very vocal fry version of trauma. Oh, love her. I mean, yeah, sure. She seems lovely.

She seems nice. I do, I've been rooting for them from day one. I was like, can't cry together. He did say it. It was just a very long winded way of being like, yeah, I mean, my, sure. She seems lovely. She seems nice. I do, I've been rooting for them from day one. I was like, yeah, cry together. He did say it. It was just a very long winded way of being like, yeah, I mean, my ex cheated on me. My ex cheated on me. You know, it affects people differently.

She's still healing. I mean, it's, and again, like it's a tough situation for sure, like, but then Grant just crying. I was like, is it hot there? Is it sweating? How moist? Like, but then like fast forward to the dates with Latia. He was dry as fuck.

I do always wonder about the temperature on these shows. Like Temptation Island. I'm like, how hot is it? Did you see the clip of Grant at the Women Tell All where he like, Jesse's announcing like, let's look at the clip and Grant looks like he's like physically uncomfortable. People are like, what IBS does this man have right now?

Like he wants to get off the stage. He did look very uncomfortable. Yeah. I saw that. Nick, what happens in that situation if you're like, if you have IBS and you're the bachelor? Like what do you do? I don't know. Like I'm not saying that this happened to you,

but you know, you just gave like a whole thesis on like production schedule. He doesn't do potty talk. Okay. If you, if you're feeling a little- Do I have to have experienced IBS? IBS. What if you have a nervous poop?

What if you feel sick? What if you have a nervous poop? What if you feel sick? What if you have a tummy ache? In what situation? And you're the bachelor and you have to go on camera and be the bachelor and do fantasy suites, but you're like- You're feeling like you could potentially have like death of the root.

Or a grand. I'm in the fantasy suite and then I got bubble butt? Yeah. What do you do in that situation? Bubble guts, I think. Not bubble butt. What? Bubble butt is from the SpongeBob.

Bubble guts. Or the song. Bubble guts. What? Bubble butt is from the SpongeBob. Or the song. Bubble guts? Bubble guts. Like, do you tell producers or do you just hold it? You can't hold it in those situations. Or is this like bonding? You have to give him the specific instance.

If you were Grant and- When was the last time you had the middle of the night like urge to poop, like 2 a.m.? Two days ago. Jesus Christ. Yeah, me too. Well, in my defense, I went out on Friday night and I ate mac and cheese before I went out and then I got kind of drunk And then I was like, oh no

Put it this way. This is the first time you're gonna be alone with anyone in this environment So like, you know, whatever your body is feeling you're probably fairly in tuned, you know But it might be like just like, you know, like now's the time imagine you're probably fairly in tuned, you know? And it might be like just like, you know, like now's the time type of thing. Imagine you're Juliana, you finally get your fantasy suite with Grant and he's just like, oh no. Excuse me. I'm sure it's happened.

No, imagine you're Juliana, it's like white chick scene. No. The white chick scene, literally. This is what I wanna know from the, like fuck the toxic workplace environment, but hope that gets better. I wanna know what's happening internally. Why do you assume? I wanna know from the, like, fuck the toxic workplace environment, but I hope that gets better. I wanna know what's happening internally.

Why do you assume gut-wise? I wanna know what's happening in a fantasy suite if you've got bubblegum. These are important questions. They acknowledge the intimacy of fantasy suites in this episode, and for me, like a fresh Bachelor watcher, like, they don't do that, right? They do. They've been doing it.

Like, didn't they try to, like, rebrand the word of fantasy suites, too? Did they? Overnights or something? Like, I feel like I've heard, like, a different term for a little bit that they were using. They have used overnights. I don't know if there's like rebrand the word of fantasy sweets too? Did they? Overnights or something? Like I feel like I've heard like a different term for a little bit that they were using. They have used overnight. I don't know if there's a rebrand there.

Yeah. Okay, maybe not. Cause I'm still saying fantasy sweets. I have a question. So in this episode, Katie and Latia talk and Katie says that she wishes that Zach had waited to tell her about what happened in the fantasy sweets with the other women. What did he tell her? Would you guys want to know after the fact or? When waited to tell her about what happened in the fantasy suites with the other women.

What did he tell her? Would you guys want to know after the fact? When did he tell her? Zach had told Katie like in the middle of like when the season was still going on. And she's saying that she would have... He's like I had sex with so-and-so? Yeah. Did we know that he did or was she being vague?

It was like yeah Zach told me I wish he would have waited because he told me they cuddled. So did Katie admit to having that said Zach, did she call out Zach or something? She said that that was something that bothered her that Zach told her about like what was going on, that he had been intimate with someone else. And then she suggested to Latia that like, you don't want to know. And Latia was like, yeah, you're right. I don't want to know. And then she said to Grant, like, I don't want to know what you've done with other women And Latia was like, yeah, you're right, I don't wanna know. And then she said to Grant, I don't wanna know what you've done with other women. And I'm like, I would wanna know. I don't think I would. No?

No, that would just put me in my head. You would rather wait until after? Yeah. If I knew that he slept. Is it gonna change your decision tree? Is it gonna change your mind? Yeah, like how you make a decision. Does anyone?

Okay, Mr. Millman. You know, it's like, if they do this, I'm gonna do that, you know. Cause and effect. Sure. You know you're on The Bachelor. You know this person has a fantasy suite with multiple people.

You know they're given a green light if they want to potentially do that. Are you gonna get engaged and then say, and break up with them? Are you gonna be the first person in the history of the show to find out that the lead had sex with someone and then before AFR break up with them because they had sex with one other person

and then come out at AFR and be like, yeah, they fucked someone, so fuck them. You're gonna do that? I mean, like certainly sex has been talked about and it's been, you know, and for various reasons, people had problems with it or not have problems with it, but no one's actually been like, yeah, we broke up. And then it's like, why?

Because they had sex with someone else. Like that's never happened. That's crazy then, all the years of The Bachelor that's never happened. Right, and then you have situations like Susie where she found out that Clayton had been, he said that before he, he said that too. But Clayton's was different

because Clayton was just like, I love everybody. And I had sex with everyone. Yeah, and he came out at the rose ceremony and he was like, yeah, I had sex with you, I had sex with you, I had sex with everyone. Yeah, and he came out at the rose ceremony. He's like, yeah, I had sex with you. I had sex with you. I had sex with you. And he was like, I love you all. And like, isn't that great?

Everyone's in love. You're gonna be the bachelor, be the bachelor. I swear to God, like they must have given Clayton advice while he was eating two burritos at the same time. And like, he just like wasn't. I do understand. I think you should tell all these women you had sex with them.

He's like, sure. You know, I'm like not thinking. Anyways, I think that that's nuts that Katie came out and was like, yeah, Zach told me he had sex with someone else before my fantasy suite. I'm choosing you, but like I slept with her. I thought it was like during a musical act where you like whispered in your ear,

I'm like, yeah, I had sex with her and her and her. I thought it was during a musical act where he whispered in her ear, I had sex with her. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, did Grant make it seem like he didn't have sex? Well, when he was on the show, he said that he was like, literally was like, that changes everything. I'm not having sex in fantasy suites. He kind of made it seem like he wasn't having sex.

He made it seem like he wasn't having sex. Yeah. You know, maybe. We all assume they have sex, but that doesn't mean they do. Right. We gotta take Grant's word. You had sex?

No. Before me? Huh? Us Weekly, are you listening? Breaking news. Well anyways, but so- But wait, did you have sex with, no wait, out of curiosity,

cause I'm curious if like, cause you knew you were gonna pick Vanessa the whole time. So like if he knew he was gonna pick Juliana the whole time, he's like, listen, like I'm not having sex with anyone else, but Juliana, like so did you have sex with Vanessa? The whole time Nick was like, has this happened before? I was like, I've never seen The Bachelor, but I'm pretty sure didn't that happen your season?

I'm not gonna ouch you. I definitely, when I was The Bachelor was not- I'm not gonna ouch you. I was not gonna like hook up with multiple people. I knew that going in. If I was gonna hook up with anyone, it was only gonna be one. That was my promise to myself.

That was my- That was your right reason. Yeah, that was my right reason. That was your boy scout. You were like, I will fuck one person. Okay. Also maybe, I wonder if Grant did too. Be intimate. But he does love Latia.

Mary. Which is so confusing. It was by the way, by the way, and I love you. It was a throw away. But he did say, he said it multiple times. Multiple times. It was like in the morning, and I was like, oh my gosh, no, my girl.

It didn't feel like he ever really meant it. Do you think he did? I think he did. I think he did. He he ever really meant it. Do you think he did? I think he did. I think he did. He said it with eye contact. He probably thought he did. He said it with conviction.

Well, I knew it wasn't Zoe. Yeah. After that silent yoga. I think next week, someone's gonna be real pissed. Yeah, it'll be me if it's not Juliana. It's definitely Juliana. It's definitely Juliana. Come on.

Well, I mean, we don't know if it's definitely Juliana. I definitely think it's Juliana. And I definitely think Latia is gonna be pissed. The question is, will Latia be messy? Will she come out at AFR and be like, what's all that love talk? I mean. She's not gonna be messy.

You don't think so? She's a woman of God. Yeah. Oh, because they can't be messy? The women of God are the meanest fucking bitches in my DM. So. I agree. I will say I respect Juliana when he was gonna give out the roses and he was walking up and she's like, all right, ladies, as if she's like supporting everybody, but she's secretly

like, I'm gonna win. Oh. Yeah, she knows she's gonna win. Yeah. Yeah. Zoe, wow, what a run. Justice for Zoe. What do you mean justice for Zoe?

She made it farther than she should. She played the game. And by should, I mean like for someone who had no connection with the lead. No one-on-one. No one-on-one. They gave her no opportunity. She had no one-on-one and then her final date is in a silent yoga session.

Like tell me you don't like me. Literally like you don't want to know anything about me. She was like, I'm so excited to like actually have time with him and then she's like, a silent yoga session. She's like, I'm really excited to open up, really him. And then she's like, a silent yoga session. She's like, I'm really excited to open up, really talk about just stuff I've been through. He's like, so our date today, you won't be speaking.

And the instructor's like, shh. Yeah. It's like, it's not me, it's not me, babe. And she hates yoga too. Wow. She was set up, you're right. She was. Well, coming up shortly,

we have Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey of the hit show Humble Bragg joining us momentarily to talk a little Housewives of Atlanta, just a little Bravo gossip, what's going on in their lives. And then after that, we also have Dasha joining us. Did your boots stop working? Did your truck break down? From that hit song and many more.

She's also a big fan of White Lotus, we've heard. And does a little pop culture. So we'll see what Tasha has to say coming up shortly as well. Any final thoughts on Basha before we move on to Crystal and Cynthia? Should we do our final bets on who's winning? Team Jules?

Come the fuck on. I'll be messing with Latia. I'm team Latia, but I'm- Team TT. TT. But no disrespect for Jules, but I think he's gonna pick Jules? Come the fuck on. I'll be messing with Latia. I'm team Latia, but I'm- Team TT. TT, but no disrespect for Jules, but I think he's gonna pick Jules. No disrespect to the winner. Well, we're just saying like we are team Latia,

but we do know that he will be picking someone else. I don't think I'm not team Jules, I just- No, happy that they're happy. I'm a fan of Latias. Nick's a fan of runner-ups. Yeah, and I think she's a runner-up. He loves an underdog. And I think she got played.

Oh. I think the producers played her. I think Grant was very much a, listen, it's not Grant's fault. He doesn't know about this world, and he's going into this world with a level of like, hey, I'm gonna trust you guys. Wait, does anyone else remember when he was here

and he was talking about, Nick was like, listen, that know, I'm gonna trust you guys. Wait, does anyone else remember when he was here and he was talking about, Nick was like, listen, like that'll be an amazing finale. Like you're really torn between two women. And he was like, I wasn't really that torn. Like I just, I knew I was gonna pick. I just didn't wanna like, you know, it's like hurting someone's feelings. I'm curious if-

Well that was performing cause that preview of the finale, this man is like, how much more time do I have? I have to go right now. I'm not ready. I'm not ready. I'm not ready. Bumble-gut. But if he's faking that, if that's all bullshit,

that's not his fault, that's the producer's fault. That's Claire Minnett's fault. That's Claire Minnett's fault. I mean, listen, I just don't expect, yeah, like again, there's no gun to anyone's head and no one's making you say anything, but in that world, he just doesn't know better. Of all the leads before him, people who,

like Grant wasn't in the top four, either it was Hannah Brown, so it's not like it hasn't happened before, but people who don't make it to the top four have a very limited experience and very different experience about the final stages of the season, and so if you make it to the top four and then you become the lead, you are far more prepared than people who don't.

You know, you just, more prepared than people who don't. You know, you just like, there's just, it's like a whole different version of filming with the stakes being elevated and that much higher. And for Grant having not had experienced that, he's really going in this whole phase of the show, incredibly blind and very much trusting these people. So like, and I've heard from previous producers that they always thought that Claire and Bennett were. Were very scripted, very staged, very much. They kind of decided like the beats of the show

and kind of just kind of told leads exactly what to do and say and didn't really give them much wiggle room. I heard that. Don't know if there'd be pushback from Claire and Bennett on that opinion, but that is what I heard. But if that's true, I give Grant a lot of grace. I think Grant's been a great bachelor, to be honest. I've really enjoyed watching him.

I think he's very personable with all the ladies and I haven't had one moment where I'm like, fuck this guy. And usually there's one moment in a bachelor season where I'm like, fuck this guy. But if he's saying, I love you to Latia, and what if Latia, the runner up, what if the runner up, they've positioned this whole season

as like he doesn't know, morning of he doesn't know. They make it seem like, not even make it seem, they have Jesse Palmer come out in this preview and act as if they are about to bring the two, it's proposal, it's ready to go, it's proposal time, whatever time in the day they have the proposal set, it is time, and he still doesn't know. And he needs to let Jesse know of all people. And there's no way that's true.

There is no way that's true. Just knowing how the show is done, there is no way they woke up that morning and they were like, who are we gonna pick? And Grant was like, I have no idea. But Jesse Palmer was like, I need to know. They bring Jesse Palmer, and if they really didn't know,

if Grant really didn't know, the last person they would bring in is Jesse Palmer. Because like, what is, and again, love Jesse. Greatest job for what they asked the Batch, their host to do, but it's very different than what they asked the Temptation Island host to do in terms of like actually giving advice. I've never seen Jesse do anything

other than pat them on the back and go, all right, well, good luck. So for Grant to say that he knew on this show, that means that Claren Bennett basically forced Grant into pretending that morning he didn't know, which means that they might have forced Grant into saying a lot of shit to their runner-up that he didn't believe or was true.

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Porsche's no joke. We have no idea. Listen. Porsche's no joke. All right, ready? It's just getting started. Crystal Cynthia, hi, welcome is no joke. Listen. Portia is no joke. All right, ready?

Just getting started. Crystal, Cynthia, hi. Welcome back. Hi. How are you? Thank you. We'd love to be back. Well, you should.

You've been on a cruise for three weeks. No, not a cruise. You've been on a private personal yacht. Exactly. Must be nice. It was nice, guys, and I'm happy to be back. You look very rested. How does one get invited to a personal yacht?

Yeah, we're gonna talk about our pod, like the whole thing, but I am a good guest. You're a good guest. I'm a good guest. Like I like to think of myself, I work very hard at being good host. You're easy to be around. But I'm a good guest.

I roll with it. You know, you wanna do this? Yes, that's great. You want like extra energy. You're easy. I'm there. Cause you're, you know, it's your boat. Yeah, it's like, I'm just, but I'm gonna like, I roll with it and you just gotta like,

I'm constantly aware of my host, how she's feeling. Like, is she happy with, it's like, does she want us to be more low key to them? Right, right, right. She like the energy? I constant, you're an energy person. So I read energy and I'm a good guest. I got invited to my friend's birthday party

on her $40 million yacht. It was really nice. And I had never been on a private yacht. I've never done that before. I grew up on cruises. Neither have I. Well, you're next. Were you by yourself or was?

No, it was nine girls total, including my host. And she had sailed for two years straight during COVID around the world. And then she took a break. And then this was her first girls trip. It was always been with her family and a couple of friends pop up and everyone gets like a week.

When rich girls get together, do they bring man candy? No, no, no, no, it's not like that. It's not like that. I don't know, like something like- Like White Lotus? So the whole trip, I haven't seen White Lotus yet but everyone kept referencing we were all White Lotus somehow.

And like we'd walk in like, I'm like, oh, is someone like, does someone get murdered or something? I'm sure. But no, it's not like that. And by the way, not all the guests are like super wealthy. It's a wide range. So, but all of us-

Who's the poorest person? Yeah, like I'm closer to being the poorest, but like, no, that's not true. But it's like the discrepancy from her to us is so extreme. So no matter how much you have, you're still every second is exciting because you walk on and the girls are insane. The rep and see from her to us is so extreme. So no matter how much you have, you're still every second is exciting because you walk on and the girls are insane.

They're so gorgeous and beautiful. And they always have a different water, like a different flavored, you know, seltzer water that they made for you and a cold towel. And you're like, oh, this is like fancy. And then if you go to the dock, you're like, oh, I want to jump in the water. There's always someone there ready to put on

like a sleeve for you. Okay, I think I'm getting angry. And a hat. And they like, it's crazy. Every day there's baskets of like sunscreen. For me, like just like a brand new sunscreen is like, well, I don't know. And it's a basket of 30.

Wow. I officially hate my life right now, but continue. Crazy. Continue. And the chef cooks breakfast, lunch and dinner. Well, of course. And it's just like, I know I just life right now, but continue. It's crazy. Continue. And the chef cooks breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Well, of course. And it's just like, I just kept saying like, I would be such a great billionaire.

I'd be such a generous billionaire. You would. You'd be giving out cars. I would be. For sure. I would crash. And like all my friends would be on this boat full time. And I got home at one last night and I'm,

it's a rough transition, but I'm so, this is the best one. The best transition to be with you guys. Speaking of good guests, what happened with Chanel? Oh, okay, so you're not gonna give me a little wellness check and see how my week went? I just get all the smoke. This is your wellness check, Cynthia. You had your trip on the boat, Crystal, on the yacht,

and then sent the, yeah, so what was the smoke with you and Chanel? Chanel was- She came in hot. Did she not? She came in hot. You know what? She did, she did.

We had a little thing to squash. I don't wanna call it beef, because it was small. This episode came out yesterday. Yes, yes. If you guys haven't watched it, please watch it. I heard it sounds like an episode of Housewives. Well, we went back and forth.

We went back and forth and I feel like, you know, Chanel is, well, I know that she's a big personality. I, you know, am a personality, but I usually stay out of the smoke. I usually find a way, all these years, I've found a way to kind of dodge the landmines and just be good. And we had some things we just needed to discuss

and I'm not gonna go into detail because I literally just don't even have the strength. Did you squash her? Hardest, yeah, we did. I feel like we did. Did you know that she was coming in here with some? Well, it didn't surprise me. Some stuff to unpack? It didn't surprise me because I felt like,

you know, we had a conversation off camera, obviously, and I apologized, I apologized publicly, I apologized, I apologized, like, I set her up in a hotel, like I was like, we were good, we were having... What did she say you did wrong? No, no, she, oh, you're just gonna make me talk about this. I'm so done.

Give me the short version. Oh my God, Crystal, can you just say it? I just cannot even talk about it anymore because it's out and now it's gonna be everywhere. And I'm like, it wasn't even that serious or that deep. It was just a situation where something was said at Bravo Fest, I heard her feelings, but she has been in that exact situation

before I actually have a whole new situation that just happened this morning that I'm kind of in a hot seat with again. So I did literally come in hot this morning, but you just explain, because I just don't have the energy. Yes, so at Bravo Fest, Cindy was on with some of the girls from the show

and they had, you know, like Andy always asks you these Shady questions. Who's the worst dressed housewife? Who's the ugliest housewife? Who's the whatever? Terrible, terrible. The ugliest housewife? I'm not just exaggerating, but yeah. Far, not far, not far. Yeah, they're like, yeah.

Who looks the most different without make-up? Like yeah, like that's essential if you're ugly or not. Who looks awful without makeup. Who likes whatever. Who needs a new stylist? Yeah, like all that stuff. Yeah, all those things. But they asked the panel who was the most annoying housewife and it was actually Phaedra

that came up with Chanel. But it's like, you know, it's like collective answers and you want to move fast, right? Yeah, but we were a group. Yeah, so like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what offended Chanel. Yes, and I, and Chanel called me. Her being the most obnoxious?

Yeah. No, the word was annoying. Annoying, so she called me upset. But backstory, in Phaedra's defense, at BravulCon, not BravulFest, okay, BravulCon, Chanel was asked the shady question of who is the worst dressed housewife, and she said Phaedra. So of course, Phaedra is going to get her leg back

at some point in the opportunity presented itself. So what does Chanel have to say about it? Because she co, whatever. A co-sign, I was like, you know, we've got an answer to like, oh, who would sleep with Cynthia's ex-husbands and you know, Portia had the answers, like, who's, like, whatever. Yeah, so that's what happens.

So she called me, it's very sad. It's like, you know, I know she's your girl, whatever. Yeah. So that's what happens. She called me, it's very sad. It's like, you know, I know she's your girl, but what's going on? I thought we were cool. I was like, dude, it's not that serious. I said, I'm sure she didn't come up with your name. And then I tried to, I'm always like, you know, trying to be like everyone's friend.

I'm like, you know what, now they're talking about it. This is good. Even if I did come up with the name, the point is we're all in a position to be asked shady questions and we have to pick somebody. No, just like annoying. I was like, oh, it's great, you know, make sure they're talking about you, whatever.

I've been called annoying before. Thank you. She has a big personality. People who have big personalities sometimes can be annoying. I said you're a big personality and I said whatever. She doesn't bat a thousand. She says some shit, lots of times it lands. It's pretty funny. That's right. It's not that bad. Might not be for everybody. No, she doesn't bat a thousand. She says some shit, lots of times it lands. It's pretty funny.

That's right. It's not that bad. Might not be for everybody. No, she doesn't bat a thousand. So then it became a little bit of a thing. No one bats a thousand. No, no one does. Well.

With all the years I've been on Housewives, with all the shit I've been called, I would graciously take annoying. That is such low hanging fruit for me. I'm like, okay, good, we can move on. I literally wouldn't even. That's what you're all upset about? Why are you catching heat in the comments?

Oh, well. During the squashing, and honestly, I knew she was gonna be high energy when she came on, but, and I brought it up. I mean, I'm like, hey, let's talk about it, because I knew it was gonna be talked about, and I kinda thought it was gonna be like, well, this is what happened happen but we love each other now

that's sort of how I deal with things but it got slightly more heated because it was a little bit more like well that's not what happened and did it so I was a little surprised but Cynthia was very clear well actually what happened and I don't know why you're gonna heat I'm actually shocked like but I was there well you were there so do you feel like I came in too hot? Or do you feel like she came in too hot? Oh, I was very clear with her. When she called me, she goes, Cynthia came in hot. I was like, well, you need to bring context.

This is humble brag. All we do is sit and talk shit about ourselves on it. That's right. We literally are the safest place for anyone to come on our show. She knows and she admitted it. I go, no, no, no, you were a 10, she was a two. And she-

No, I did raise up to meet her where she was at. Yeah, someone's yelling at me. I'm gonna go right back. Hell yeah. But it was like all love. Look, I think she's great TV. I think she's great. I have a lot of love for Chanel.

I really am glad that we are hopefully on the other side. Shut up, Nick. Yeah. I'm glad we're on the other side and I'm glad we squashed it. But it was all love. But it was, it was all love. But for me, it's like what the thing that I like about humble rag is we really don't really ever have a beef with anyone on here.

We actually bring on people that we're usually good with. And I thought, you know what, this will be a fun. And I think to your, in your defense, you thought, oh, like yes, squash that beef. It's going to be so much fun. We're just going to just like really lovingly and kindly, you have squashed that beef. It's going to be so much fun. Yeah, that was cute. We're just going to just really lovingly and kindly, kind, and just be super sweet and squashing. I haven't filmed in a year. I forget how intense housewives can be.

Yeah. Can I tell you? You've been a little rusty. I? That thing, it started off literally like nothing, and it escalated into a complete inferno. And Crystal said, now it's like, yeah, Crystal. Yeah, this is me. Oh my God, this is what it's like filming this.

Go check it out now. Have you seen the drama that your ex co-star's been in with her hairstylist? Oh yes, I have. In fact, I kind of got into it a little bit. How? How do you stand? Well, I feel like people need to pay their bills.

And so like, that's my, what is that, like edgy? No. I think you should pay your bills. That's more passive aggressive. Okay. I don't know, I'm like pay your bills. And also like, you guys know, I'm not, I can be quite cheap.

So it's like, I don't wanna buy something, I, you know, whatever. I have people with services, like you pay them. But sometimes the good people in the service industry, your stylist, your makeup artist, your hairdressers, every once in a while, they are a little dramatic sometimes. Yes, so I will say, I watched his whole- A little gossipy.

Yeah, I watched his whole nine minute thing. And he did admit though that it was actually paid, there was a misunderstanding. So I do feel like he actually told the whole story- He did, I mean- In truth. He did, he actually told the whole story. He did, in truth. He did, he definitely did take his time. Can you give the people a good context? Sure, so Dorit, Tracy Tudor went on Jeff Lewis

and kind of was like, she doesn't pay her bills. Based on my knowledge, there are several people that haven't been paid by her, including my stylist, who I think just tallied up with finally, and her makeup artist. So she's like throwing shade, saying she doesn't pay her bills, whatever. So then Dorit goes and watch what happens live.

Andy asks her about it. Dorit squashes it. She's like, there's nothing to it. It's hysterical. That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Like wholeheartedly, there's a whole lot of shit that's said, I don't know, it came out of left field. So then her hairstylist goes and makes

this nine minute long video. Takes very long to get to the point of like, yeah, by the way, like it was paid for and it really wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah, so he did say that. So I feel like it was, I think the part of the hotel bill was paid, but then she hadn't paid for his services yet.

I mean, four months is a long time not to pay. She did end up what it sounded like squaring up, but I think it's also like Tracy probably just doesn't like, I love Tracy by the way, so like we're really good friends. But I just think that there's just like history of, you know, rumors that Dari doesn't pay certain bills. I remember last, my last reunion, she didn't pay her nurse who she did some kind of cosmetic surgery, a private nurse.

So that came up at the reunion. I'm just saying that because that came up already. But then she like settled up after that. So maybe she just- So does she not pay her bill for the- Maybe she's like a net 90 girl. Maybe she just does not pay the bill unless you pay it late.

Like there's a next tutor for things. A late payer. Because it sounds like these people are getting paid, but maybe not in a timely- Not on their timeline. Not on their time. My biggest shocker was when her stylist like showed the receipts

and he kind of went through all the various jobs or things, but she gets glam for everything. It's like Lakers game doing guys. I saw that. Lakers game. We can't put it up in a bun and wear a chunky sweater? Two blocks down. Yeah, but that's why her bill's so high.

Your photo's gonna be taken if you're out in public. Stop it. Her photo's taken all the time. Stop it. I know, but if you're her bill's so high. What? If your photo's gonna be taken, if you're out in public. Stop it. Your photo's taken all the time. I know, I know, but like if you're gonna be out and about, like honestly, and you think that your photo's gonna be taken and you don't know how, everyone, every housewife didn't know how to do their own glam, number one.

I'm very upset. I feel like you've spent so much time with me already. I thought I've taught you stuff. Oh, to be cheap for a glam? What do you mean by your own glam? What are you doing? No, no, no, I'm good at my own glam. She's going to a Laker game.

She's in a glam. I know, but I wouldn't go to a Laker glam. I wouldn't go by your own glam? What are you doing? No, no, no, I'm good at my own glam. She's going to a Laker game. She's in glam. I know, but I wouldn't go to a Laker game without makeup on. I wouldn't do it. Straight, straight, straight dumb male here. Is there a difference between doing your makeup and doing your glam? No, it's the same thing, but glam doesn't, no it is.

Glam comes to you to do it for you. Doing your own makeup, you just do it yourself. And I do it myself a lot, but I will say a lot of the housewives that I work with- You think Dory doesn't know you didn't know how to do your own makeup? Like I did it myself this morning. Oh my God. And you just do it yourself. And I do it myself a lot, but I will say a lot of the housewives that I work with. Like I did myself this morning. Oh my God. And you look, damn.

Thank you. Yeah, she's really good at it. So I'm good, but everyone is not good at doing their makeup, so they have to be in that glam. And if you can afford it, and if you want your glam to come and do you every time you walk out the door, then let your glam do you every time you walk out the door. I'm not mad at it.

I'm not gonna do it. Like I'll do my own when I can. What's that? Yeah. But even that, no one's getting glam on the boat. Like, I don't know. Why you spend that kind of money? It's absurd.

Yeah, but you don't have paparazzi on the boat. Like you guys were like. Girl, I go to a Dodger, a Lager game, a Rams game every week. I'm not getting glam for it. That's insane. Who spends that kind of money? But you're not like that.

Like you'll put a little bit on, but you're not, makeup is not your thing. And actually I don't think Doritia does, I don't think she wears a lot of makeup. I just find that kind of a ridiculous expense. That's unnecessary. That's personal. So- If you are taking days to-

Yeah. Here's the thing. Do I think his video was kind of long-winded to get there? Yes. However, I understand as like an individual, like service provider, if you are being accused of essentially stealing someone's credit card, you're going to defend

yourself as well. Right? Because she said he used it without, he wasn't allowed to use it, right? Authorization? Authorization, yeah. If I was- What, he used her credit card? That's what she said. He used my credit card without authorization. That is accusing someone of stealing money. I mean, that's a big accusation too. On national television.

Yeah. So I actually appreciated it because he was honest. He's like, I, well, from what I, I mean, I'm taking it as honesty, is that he said it was actually paid, I didn't know, but she never paid me until about for the glam stuff, not the hotel stuff. So it was clearly misunderstanding on that part,

but accusing someone of using your credit card also, and maybe that's her experience, I don't know, but. What, is the last time you spoke, you wanted to read it through your union? Yeah. So you hate her. I don't hate her, I just. You hate her.

She's a coworker, like these girls like. Nick is so messy. I don't get why. Why are you such a gas lighter? I mean. Gas lighter, that was a question, she could be like no. Do you hate her guts? He's a hater.

He's a hater. No, I don't hate her. I don't hate any of these people. I actually really respect all the girls who do Housewives. It's such a tough job. It really is. It's so hard. I have so much respect.

They put a lot of effort. Her to put her last for kids father on television for a year, that's intense. Like you gotta really, you're working for your paycheck for that one because you know your kids are gonna watch that one day. You know, I would not do that personally, but like I also respect that you have to like pay your bills.

I mean, I just think her bills are high. They're high bills. Like I just would not, for those kinds of things, it's not my thing. Just going back to the glam stuff really quickly, for me, I think that when, like, because we have like people that get us together all the time, so when we have people in our circle,

I feel like it really sucks if they're gonna like blast you on social media if you're late paying a bill. Like, I've definitely had glam where it's like, I get glammed up and I forget. I'm like, oh shit, I gotta pay them. They'll like text me and then you just pay it. But like, I would hate to like be two days late and be like, oh, you know.

That would be weird if someone was two days late. Yeah. It sounded like this went on for a while. It sounded like four months. He said four months. That's a long time. Okay, well that's a whole, yeah, that's a whole nother situation.

I just wanted like, cause sometimes people just want to blast celebrities. Like celebrities are like, no company. I keep DMing Doreen to come on the show and she keeps reading it and she keeps not responding. Shut up, is that true? No. Wait, what?

Aren't you blocked? Oh no, Jeff is blocked. Jeff's blocked? I'm not blocked. Yeah, Jeff's blocked. I'm not blocked. And Nick has even been openly about like how much he's attracted to her.

Oh wow. And she still hasn't responded. That would bring me in. Someone said they were attracted. I'm like, okay, I'm being so random. I promise you a good time. It is a good time for her. I mean, the podcast.

It's a good time here. It's a good time. It's a safe good time. It's a safe space. I promise her a safe space. She keeps reading it. But I don't think it's her. You don't think she's checking your DMs?

No. I don't think she's on social media like't think she's checking your DMs? No. Hmm. Because I don't think she's on social media like that. That's not like the hidden news. I think she's one of those girls who are like, don't read it. It's like, you know, some people just don't read that stuff. So I don't know if that's her, to be honest. Where do you, who are you talking to these days of the cast?

Talked to Garcelle yesterday. Sutton? Yeah, I saw Sutton a couple of weeks ago. How's she doing? I don't know, I think she's, you know, I talked to Cynthia. Oh, okay. I'm on a boat.

I have like all my friends. I make yacht. Like I said, like they're all, like I would be totally fine in a room with any of them. I just, it's like coworkers and you know, and some lean slightly more towards friends, but I also have my. Oh, I talked about you.

You're just so. Wait a minute. I talked about you with your Alex Baskin. Oh, Alex. Alex. Oh yeah. I did a show with him. Oh, he texted me.

Yeah, he's great. We talked about you. I was like, well, Crystal is fired up and. I had a dinner with him this week. Oh, good. Has Alex been on this show? He's not, no. He was great.

He has a lot of shows that he's working on right now too. Alex is the king of Broadway. Yeah, no, I realized that. He's been schooled up, it's my first time meeting him. Raw Housewives of Atlanta is back. It is. Better than ever. It is.

Whoa, it's good. I'm fairly new to it. I've seen episodes here and there, but I'm just starting to get into it. Okay, so are you caught up with season 16? I'm caught up, but I'm just starting to get into it. Okay, so are you caught up with season 16? I'm caught up, but I'm not quite following yet. You don't know a lot of basketball history. I'm still kind of getting to know people.

Yeah, you need the history. You know, learning the history. He needs the ex-husbands, he needs the family tree. Absolutely obsessed that Charles Oakley is part of the cast. I know, that's kind of cool, right? Did not know that. Yeah. Huge basketball fan of the 90s. Oh, yes. He dominated, so thought that was Oakley. I know, that's kinda cool, right? Did not know that. Yeah. Huge basketball fan of the 90s.

Oh yes. He dominated, so thought that was pretty cool. I was like, who is this silver fox coming into the scene? Charles Oakley. And it's Charles Oakley. Yeah, basketball bring to it. Thought that was pretty cool. I was very excited about that.

What can we expect this season? You know, I think you guys can expect for it to be a very unpredictable season. There's a lot of ups and downs. Things just kind of go crazy. But I think it's a new season. I think it's very fresh. I think the energy's very different.

I think the new, I think it's the right balance of new blood and old blood. And I think you guys are definitely in for a treat. Who are you closest with? Well, I am pretty much in a good place with all of the ladies. I did have a little conflict with Drew. I spoke to Drew this morning.

She was a little tipped about something. I said it went to my confessional. What'd you say? Oh, Lord, why do I have to keep going back? Well, I was going to ask. I'm already having a hard day. I was going to ask, are you, where are you on the Dennis of it all?

Do you, are you on the Dennis of it all? Are you on Portia's side? I am on Portia's side with that situation because I 100%, 1000% would never work with any of these ladies. Exes. Fathers of their children, exes, boobs. Like if I have to have any affiliation with these ladies,

for the most part, and in a serious way, if I've had a child with you or if I've been married to you, there's no way that I would want any of these ladies to be on my show shooting scenes with them for whatever reason. I just think that's kind of crossing the line up. They wanna work outside of the show, which I wouldn't even do that personally, is one thing.

But coming on platform as well is kind of like, okay, now you're just like, now it's just weird. Yeah, I fully agree. And not cool. You can, that's rough. I agree too. Yeah, and especially Drew calling him her angel from heaven, her lord, it was a little- A little triggering, yeah.

Was Drew mad about the fibber too? Yes, or seven or a hundred.? Three or four or five, I know. She was like, really? So I woke up to that. And then the whole Humber Break interview is out. So I usually try to, I choose peace. I don't really want smoke. And Miss Bailey has been getting a lot of smoke this morning.

You know, at least it's all together. Just like get through today. So I'm gonna get some smoke. Here's where you clearly are. So I have to check my phone because Drew's gonna definitely like, you know, give me some smoke today on Instagram. And I don't really play on Instagram. I usually just do my stuff by confessionals,

get in and get out. So I'm expecting a little smoke bomb from Drew today because I said that. You think even though she like texted you personally. She texted me. She texted and I just called her. And so here's the thing. Then she'll still go online?

I'm finished watching all the show yet, but what I said was I was like, Drew has never lied to me. However, and I don't know if they took that part out, whatever, which is a big part to keep in for the rest of the conversation. So I'm gonna watch it again, but at this point I'm like, girl, just light me up.

You know what, it's like, come for Cynthia Day, let's go. Hopefully she's not gonna light me up too bad, because then if she does, then I gotta come back and light her up again. And I choose Vs. I don't want to, I don't want any Drew Smoke. You really think after squashing it privately, she's gonna take it publicly to Instagram and like?

Oh, absolutely. This is Atlanta, babe. It is Atlanta, Housewives for sure. She's not going to let it go. So why even bother reaching out? Well, I actually appreciate, like if there's a bomb coming my way, I actually like to be told. I don't want to just be finding my business.

That's an interesting point of view. Can I tell you? And all of a sudden I'm like, wait a minute, why am I being blown up? I agree. I would rather have that direct because I would just see it online. Absolutely. And then no one says anything, so it's constantly like passive aggressive

and fear-based, everything. Where this is like direct, like, yo, I didn't like that. And it's like, but also- She's like, I gotta give you a little smoke, Miss Bailey. I was like, all right, just bring it on. But the smoke is to like promote the show. It's all part of the game, right?

I gave her a sparkler. I threw a little sparkler on the fire. Hopefully I'm not gonna get a bomb back. I don't know what she's gonna say, but I think the best response would be, I honestly don't care. That is not the best response. Oh my God, it absolutely is the best response. I mean, you can feel that way,

but I mean, I don't, I think my response is just going to be, you know, the go-to look. Sorry. Fun shade, sorry. I didn't put any extra hostiles on it. I just basically- What if you just say oopsie? Yeah, oops. My bad.

Sorry, my bad. Cynthia. I mean, I love Drew. It looks like they cut out the first part of that. So it's you saying it wouldn't be the first time she's been part of it. Oh, wrong. Of course they cut off the first part. Which would have made it all better for her. She never lied to me.

And I said it a hundred times. I'm telling you, I said that confession. better for me. She'd never lie to me. And I said it a hundred times. I'm telling you, I said that confession. I said, but she's never lied to me. Drew has never lied to me. And I was like, okay. And then what's the part that made the cut? Well, it's like, well, but she has been caught with the other ladies and a fib.

And I didn't want to say the word lie. I didn't even say lie, I said fib. But the part that made it, the part that made the cut, still true, correct? Oh, according to the other ladies, absolutely. Okay, so then what's the problem? Well, the problem is I chimed in on it, and I guess I should have just like set in my confessional

and just not said anything, but I was like, I thought I was helping her out, I was like, she's never liked me, but she is apparently being caught in what's in my life. It is what it is, that's what the show is, it's silly. And what's the big, cause I know this was happening in the off season, but the revenge porn situation.

Oh, okay, I can't even go there with you right now. Are you not even allowed? We're not even, that's so far down the line. We have to come back for that. It's still part of the season. I can only take the summer. Will that be part of the season? Yes, it will.

Okay. Yes. Okay. I mean, wait, wait, wait, will it be a part, like, it's gonna be a dress. That's like the whole thing. I don't know what they're gonna show. I don't know how much you guys will see.

Do you have a side? I do have a side on that as well. I would never do that to anyone. I did not feel like it was a good look for anyone involved, especially Kenya, who is my friend, who I've known forever and had a great relationship with. I just didn't think that it looked good for her to do that, basically.

And I just couldn't support it. So I'll leave it right there. That was a gentle way of saying it. Is there anything else would you, is there any more smoke that I can get on here today? You're horrible. What? You are.

That was a gentle way. I'm sorry, is this not a Bravo podcast Is there any more smoke that I can get on here today? You're horrible. What? You are. You are. Was it gentle? I'm sorry, is this not a Bravo podcast where we talk about tea and rumors? Oh my God. You're just like, he stirs the pot. I mean. We gotta bring you on humble break.

Like we try to like sugar coat stuff and be kinda like nice about stuff. You just come in. This room is tough. For a revenge porn all over a party. Yeah, I don't know. Are we supposed to be gentle with that? I mean, it's your friend.

That is. I'm just saying it. No, she said it was not good. I don't even wanna call it revenge porn. That was said, but I don't think that's what it was. Like, I don't feel like that's what it was. It was something that was just over the top and hugely inappropriate.

Oh, gotcha. And something that I don't think should have inappropriate. And something that I don't think should have happened. And something that I don't support and something I certainly would not have done. But I don't want to say it was revenge porn. So I don't need any extra smoke. I don't need no Kenya smoke right now. No Kenya smoke.

No, I got no people on my ass today. Do you ever bring the smoke or are you smoke free? I try to be smoke free, but it does not obviously work out for me that well. I get pulled into the smoke. And for some reason when like these girls, especially Atlanta, like they come in with oozeys, you know what I'm saying?

They will like light you up. And then I throw a tiny little bomb in and it's like all eyes on me like, well, what did Cynthia said? I'm like, wait a minute, everybody's like dead already. I literally threw a bomb on a dead body already. You guys killed everybody. But for some reason when I chime in,

it just ends up being like, well, wait a minute. Because it's unexpected. Forget what everybody else is saying. Well, you're the most probably thoughtful and delicate. And so when you do say something, it feels like less reactive and more like thought through. I don't know. I don't know if that's right.

But I will just say that the ladies, and just in general, I'm just not like, hey, I'm going to just come for everybody. And I'm like lighting everybody up. That's not my personality on the show. That is not what I enjoy. I do not thrive in that space at all. Who do you think has that personality? And I really don't even like to ever say

anything negative about my castmates, to be honest. I mean, if they're coming for me, if they're just coming for me guns blazing, then I have to defend myself always. But I'm not, I don't have fun, like, you know, talking shit about my castmates, to be honest. You're worried about Drew today? Mm-hmm.

What if I come to your defense in the comments? I will be checking my Instagram. What if I go to your defense in the comments? I will be checking my Instagram. What if I go to war with Drew? When I get off the phone. When I get it done with this interview, I will be checking Instagram. But I think it was fair, right? She's gonna be nice, hopefully.

Drew texted you, he was like, it was fair, right? You felt it was fair? She basically was like, oh, okay. So you're confessional. I was like, oh shit. But when you said- I was hoping she didn't see it, but of course she saw it.

What? I know, so maybe she got up to use the bathroom during my part, like I don't know. Like I was hoping like, Lord, please let her miss it. She was on her phone scrolling, she was mindless, she didn't see it. And then I almost thought about calling her saying, hey, I said, you know, I gave you a little smoke

in the confessional, but I was like, you know what, I haven't heard anything, everything's really quiet, maybe somehow, like she didn't even see the episode. Sounds that big of a deal, yeah. Of course she saw the episode, she was like, good morning. I was like, oh God., I haven't heard anything. Everything's really quiet. Maybe somehow, like she didn't even see that episode. That's not big of a deal, yeah. Of course she saw the episode. She was like, good morning.

I was like, oh God. Good morning. Good morning, Sandi. I was kind of excited. I was just like drinking my coffee this morning. I saw the episode. I saw your confession. I saw this weirdest thing.

So if there's a little smoke bomb that comes your way. But isn't it funny? Cause you do it so long ago, so you kind of forget the things that you say. I honestly forgot. And I really felt like they would have just done me that solid and kept my little disclaimer in that she's never.

No one's giving you a solid. What do you talk about? I know. What show do I think I'm on? I know. It's crazy. But it made it funny. Yeah.

But I watched it this morning. I was like, hmm. I think it's going to. No, I think people love to see me squirm. It's just such an uncomfortable place for me. What do you guys think? Last time before we let you ladies go, but what do you guys think about housewives fake quitting

or walking off or suggesting they're quitting? Are there, are you familiar with the internal drama? Are you talking about the camera? No, well, no, that's a little different because obviously Teddy, with what Teddy's going through, our hearts go out to her. Oh, okay. Talking about Salt Lake City.

Oh. Lisa Barlow. Lisa Barlow is- Took it out of her Instagram bio. It was like before- Oh, and then she was filming again or something? Yeah her Instagram bio. It was like before. Oh, and then she was filming again or something? Yeah, so like first it was like, they were all filming without Lisa and Meredith.

And it was like, ooh, are they not on the season? Then she removes Salt Lake City from her Instagram bio. And then we see her and Meredith filming. So. Wasn't it about money? It was a contract negotiation? We don't know. Couldn't know, but I guess my question to you

is like how performative do you feel like these walkouts or these cryptic posts of like, oh, I'm finally done here. Like, do you think it's real? I mean, or do you think it's performative? I feel like- I think it's a mix. I feel like with Tamra, I mean, obviously given with what's going on with Teddy,

Teddy's fighting for her life, her hearts go out to her. I couldn't imagine being in Tamra's shoes. I know Tamra's obviously been very, you know. I texted with Tamara. Her season's been messy, but like when your co-host is literally fighting for her life and you're filming Housewives. 100%.

It just kind of, it feels also unnecessary and unserious. No, I mean, the reason I brought her up was because I thought, I couldn't believe people were giving her shit about it. Because I didn't want people to do that because she's struggling so much. So I texted her, I said, look, you gotta just do whatever's right for you each day.

It's like, it's all too much. It's so intense right now. And Teddy and I have so many mutual friends. It's really, really an intense situation. But in terms of Salt Lake, I don't know. I mean, I guess a good housewife is erratic and emotional and spontaneous. Maybe that's how they feel.

It's like the opposite of my personality. I would wait until every single contract is signed until I make any moves like that. But it certainly created buzz, right? And maybe it helped her get her contract signed if that was it, I have no idea. Have you ever had to search for a quote to post it? A quote?

Like what was the quote that Meredith put up, Justin? Well, so basically Whitney posted on her Instagram story saying, when you know, you know, don't second guess it. You were right in the first place and you knew all along. So act off your instinct. And Meredith reposted. That's in response to Lisa fake quitting. Maybe. Who posted that?

Whitney. Whitney. So Whitney was basically like, don't second guess yourself, like keep on walking. Yeah, okay. Keep on leaving. And then Meredith posted in red font on her story saying, don't walk in front of me, I may not follow, don't walk behind me, I may not lead, walk beside me, just be my friend, Albert.

Now I feel like that's actually shade towards Lisa. We don't know. If I'm reading between the lines, and with Meredith, I feel like you do. I love that we have to figure this all out, and they just don't say what they're trying to say. It's so dramatic. Is that like what Atlanta just say what they need to say

and not like be so? I don't think it would ever do that. Do they have to quote Robert Frost? Atlanta don't do quotes, we don't, they just come in. They don't do Pinterest. They just come in, huh? They create quotes. They just say what they have come in. They don't do Pinterest. They just come in. They create quotes. They just say what they have to say.

But going back to the quitting thing, for me, if I walked away from the show or quit the show, I don't know if I had any doubt about like, if I wanted to go back. I don't think I would post about it. I just think I would just do it. And if they hear about it, it is what it is. So I don't know.

I think there's something about doing and then posting that seems a little performative. Yeah, so maybe it's performative and now it's the topic of what they're filming. That quote almost from Meredith is, I feel like it seems to be directed at Lisa because it's kind of like, don't walk in front of me. Like, I'm not a follower. I'm not gonna go behind you or in front of you,

but let's do this together. And Lisa's been her friend. And now it's like, is Lisa like not negotiating? By the way, that's what they're setting up for the drama. It's like easy drama that they can now film. So maybe that's what it was for, you know? It doesn't seem like a big deal. I have no idea.

But that's giving jump the shark, you know? I don't need you to fake quit to give me drama. Well, I wouldn't fake quit just because I wouldn't want my bosses to see me fake quit. I think that's a problem. Like, I wouldn't fake quit just because I wouldn't want my bosses to see me fake quit. I think that's a problem. Like, I don't know. That's to me. Then you gotta like fake go back.

Yeah, that's embarrassing. Fake quit, I don't like it. You gotta fake quit and then you gotta go back and then like, it's just luck. Is Storming Off ever staged? Yeah. Really? Storming Off?

Like a reunion? Yeah. Of course it is. And by stage, is that coming from the women? You know you have to come back. You don't even have to come back. But there's no producers being like, you should start, if you feel so compelled to walk off.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's never, it's never. It's like a personal plan of like, I'm gonna walk off. I think that's a personal plan. No, I don't think producers want you to walk off. I mean, I think if they do, they're happy because it creates a little more,

you know, like it's like a commercial break. Yeah. You know, but no, I don't, I mean, but no if they do, they're happy because it creates a little more, you know, like it's like a commercial break, you know? But no, I don't, I mean, but no producer ever say that to me because they know I wouldn't walk off. That's not my personality, but you know, I think it's performative. Yeah, I would never want to walk off,

but if I was in a situation where I needed a minute, then I would like the option to walk off if I wanted to, but it's just never happened. And then it's like, is it even worth it? I was gonna say, have you seen that, allegedly Kyle walks off at the reunion twice? Have you heard that? Oh, she has?

Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm not, yeah. I think she's walked off before. Probably, yeah. But she comes back. She's bad circulation. That's the thing, yeah. So it's like you walk off.

I swear to God, if next season we're still talking about her and Mo's separation, I'm gonna lose it. I think maybe. For the rest of our lives, maybe. Cause they'll never, are they not getting divorced because of money? Oh, God, I don't know. That I don't know, but.

What do you suspect? Divorce money. I mean, a lot of people don't get divorced. It's constant conversation in my world. People don't get divorced because it's so expensive. So even if they don't, I don't know if it's like, I mean, that's just a, marriage is a business, guys, you know, it's not, I mean, you can love someone

and not be married, you can love someone and be married, but marriage is a business at the end of the day, and they've built a massive business together, so if they don't get divorced, I don't think it's, you know, right? But just say that then. Be like, hey, we're together for the money. Well, I don't think anyone wants it.

You just, it's, well, yeah, yeah, I guess you could say that. Like, we don't want to get divorced because it's too expensive, and we're happy in the money. Well, I don't think anyone wants it. You just, it's, well, yeah, yeah, I guess you could say that. Like, we don't want to get divorced because it's too expensive and we're happy in our situation. I guess you could do that. But then how would you have a whole season of drama? Yeah, they got, she has to be like a bet about the girls in the airport. But it's not true.

And that was not traumatic now. And now it's just like, oh, we're pretending to do this again. Well, I guess maybe we have to wait till they do that next season. I don't know. I mean, I can't say that I'm really watching it, so I don't know, but.

I feel bad when I watch the scenes together. I'm not interested in someone's divorce. I find that like. It is sad to watch their own. Yeah, I don't wanna watch anyone divorce. I feel really bad when I watch the scenes. I don't know why, like I just like root for them, like somehow, but I get it if it's done.

You know what I mean? I mean, I've been divorced twice, so I get it if it's over, but I don't know. Yeah, I just think I put myself in her together anymore if they're not gonna be together. Yeah, they're not gonna be together. I just don't wanna see them together on TV because it's just, it gives me hope. Like, okay, look at them having all together.

No, because they don't have chemistry on screen together and it's like, oh, you know, that's like still. But you know, the fact that they're filming together, maybe there is something, who knows. Or they're just used to their lives being so played out. I don't know, on TV, I don't know. But, yeah, I think it'll be forever. Well, it's always great catching up with you too.

Excited to hear what's going on. And I'm gonna check out that humble brag episode. You should, I should. You're so messy, Nick. You love the mess. He loves the mess. I'm shocked you're getting heat for it. I really, really am.

Like this is what I- I'll defend you on the comments. This is like our fourth guess. Like it was like our fourth or fifth guess. This was- We love it. I know, yeah. He was excited about it.

He was excited about it, I guess. But okay. It was a good- We're very excited for the season of Atlanta. Thank you. And rooting for you and all this stuff. Please do, keep me in prayer. Oh, well we absolutely will.

And we hope Crystal gets back on her feet. You're gonna be fine. You are a queen. You look great. Everything about you is great. No one ever worries about you at all. I'm just having a day today, is that my guess? You are.

We're gonna cuddle you later. And you know I don't like to touch anybody. So that's a big deal. Oh my God, Crystal's gonna touch me. Oh,. We're gonna cuddle you later. And you don't like to touch anybody. So that's a big deal. Oh my God, Crystal's gonna touch me. You know I'm having a fucked up day if Crystal's gonna actually touch me. Well, check out Humblebrag, everyone,

if you haven't already. It's the doozy of an episode. They're all incredible episodes, and it's available wherever you get your podcasts. So check it out. Thanks, guys. Thank you, love you guys. Well, excited to watch more Atlanta housewives,

according to Cynthia, they're less passive aggressive. I'm here for it. This is also the perfect time for you to be watching Nick because it's kind of like their revamp season where they brought back a lot of the old cast and then also brought in new people. I feel like Phaedra's like not really been like. She comes in later.

Okay. She's still on Mary to Medicine. From an audience standpoint, what happened when they were filming was the whole Kenya situation. She leaves, they bring Phaedra in, but Phaedra was filming Mary to Medicine. So there's a transition period that's gonna happen.

Okay. Yeah. And then I don't know if we wanna talk about it, but Carolyn commented on her cut down that we posted. Oh yeah. Saying that she now doesn't like Tom Sandoval anymore. Okay, wait. So on the cut down that we made

of Carolyn talking about Tom Sandoval and how she feels like she's the female version of him, she commented yesterday saying, I take everything I said about Tom back, he sucks. And he's not forgiven despite what the online version US Weekly cover says with a dancing emoji. Well, what did he do? That's all she said.

Does she wanna come on here in a little bit? We might need to reach out and see what could have possibly happened over the weekend that she felt so inclined to comment that. Oh my God. I know. Tea. Tea.

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Thanks for having me. I'm pretty good. How are you doing? I'm pretty good? I'm not, I'm so good. So good. So good. St. Patrick's day, so I'm feeling pretty thrilled.

It is St. Patrick's day. She's wearing green. I'm wearing green. You're not wearing green. Well. This is super awkward. Nick, because I asked Nick, should I wear green? And he said, so I'm feeling pretty thrilled. It is St. Patrick's Day, she's wearing green, I'm wearing green now. You're not wearing green. Well. This is super awkward. Nick, because I asked Nick, should I wear green? And he said, well, this comes out tomorrow, so it won't be St. Patrick's Day.

Well, it doesn't matter. So he was preying on my downfall. Yeah. I got this shirt yesterday, I wasn't planning on wearing it. Then I put on a darker shirt, it was like a mossy green. Okay.

So it wasn't like, it wasn't. But that's not as fun. No, and then we got some butter on it this morning. Oh! You're a butter guy. I always get toothpaste on my shirts. I was having eggs, and then I was giving my daughter some of my eggs.

Then there was a piece of butter on the plate that kind of looked like eggs. Picked that up, gave it to my daughter. I was like, oop, can't do that. My bad. Spit it out! Spit it out, girl! Then she spit it out, and then spit it on my shirt. No. Got some butter on the shirt, and then I was like, well, it is bad. Spit it out. Spit it out, girl. Then she spit it out and then spit it on my shirt.

No. Got some butter on the shirt. And then I'm like, well, it is St. Patrick's Day. Okay, you changed. So I changed and here we are. So God's on the side. That's great. Love that.

Love that. Where are you originally from? I'm from San Luis Obispo, California. So up the coast about three hours. It says here where Dylan Efron lived. Yes. It's the place that you guys did not know what he was saying. Yeah, because it does sound- Did you know Dylan Efron lived. Yes. It's the place that you guys did not know what he was saying.

Yeah, because it does sound weird. Did you know Dylan Efron growing up? I know it's Zac Efron. We went to... Dylan went to school. I don't know, yeah. Dylan does have a brother named Zac. Hi Dylan.

Hi Dylan. No, he went to my, what's it called? Rival. Rival, there we go. Rival High School. He went to AG and I went to SLO. So, there you go. Like a real high school musical. Rival, there we go, Rival High School. He went to AG and I went to SLO. So there you go. Like a real high school musical. No, literally like we hate AG and they hate SLO.

I do feel like the name of your town is a bunch of just letters jumbled together. Yeah, everyone's like, San Francisco Disco? Yeah, that's how I feel too. Perfect. You'll do. Ambruso. San Francisco.

Are you currently, do you live in Nashville now? I do live in Nashville. Yes, I just bought a place there in August. My first big girl purchase. Thank you. Oh my gosh. It's very exciting. Live alone for the first time.

That's fun. How is it? Love. Oh my God. I don't see myself ever living with someone except when I find someone, but. Well, yes, of course. Yes, of course.

I remember the transition from roommate to no roommate and it was very much like wow i got scared a little bit because i'm like it's such like a big mature move you know as like a young woman like living on your own for the first time but it was necessary like i feel good about it it's so nice it's like your mess is your mess exactly it's like you haven't mad at anyone that butter on the floor is my butter like you'll pick it up whenever you have to let your way home. You're like, I hope Chad's not watching some show. Or have friends over on the couch. The best thing is I do my self tanning,

and you can walk around butt naked, just letting it dry. That's something I found that I really like about living alone. So yeah. It's the little things. It is the little things. When you had a roommate, did you label your food?

Or did you? No, I'm like a share, I don't really care. Plus like I'm the type of girl that'd be like, they won't mind if I have a scoop of this or like I can use their sauce. If you're gonna have a roommate, you have to, yeah. I think you need some, if you're not meant to ever have a roommate if you label your food.

No. And it like makes me so anxious when people, when I open like a friend's fridge and it's all labeled, I'm like, no. No. No. Can I have this? No, yeah it makes me so anxious when people, when I open a friend's fridge and it's all labeled, I'm like, no. No. Can I have this? No, yeah, can I? No, no.

You weren't sure that these were eggs? I don't know. You needed to tell yourself. Do you guys label your food in your household? No. I definitely wanna be that person. Yeah. I do, I wanna be that organized,

but I don't know if I have it in me. I know that he absolutely will not keep it up, so it's like, do I wanna every single day? Also like why? Now you wanna label your food? Well, what I'm just saying, like I would love to be that person, but I feel like you won't, you won't allow me. Why would you wanna label your food?

Not necessarily label it, but it's like everything's in like a plastic container. Certified. It's like, and yeah, honestly. Good job, doctor. My bad. Certified fresh? My bad.

Do you eat leftovers? Hell yeah. What do you mean? You don't like leftovers? Not unless it's pasta. Even if you cooked it? That's such a first world problem. That's crazy.

Oh my god, absolutely, yeah. I'm an absolute food snob. I think I'll eat leftovers when there shouldn't be eight. Same. Like, somebody I was raised, my dad is, I don't know, he's kind of like a hippie and nothing goes bad. He's like, no, it's fine. Like a sniff check.

Even like things that are expired. He's like, you're probably fine. Speaking of roommates, I once had a roommate eat six week old spaghetti. Jesus. That's just wrong. No, no, no. Nah. Wait, what type of sauce is it though?

A meat sauce. Ooh. Yeah. That's some stanky meat. That is stanky. He was a heavy drinker and didn't notice. And needed a snack, you know? So what's new with you?

What's going on with your life? Well, I'm on tour with Kane Brown right now, which is pretty cool. Yeah, I'm getting like a lot of reps in like arenas, which is sick. I love it. It's so fun. It's so fun having like a big catwalk

because I'm very much like over the top performer and I love strutting my stuff out there and it's been great. And then I'm working on my album, getting ready for stagecoach, which I'm so excited about. Are you performing? Yeah, main stage on Saturday.

I'm stoked. Yeah, I'm very excited. Are we still planning on going? We're planning, it is the weekend of our anniversary, of our wedding. Cute. So we're like, Is that anniversary on Sunday?

It is on the Sunday, yeah. Of stagecoach. Of stagecoach, so we're trying there an anniversary on Sunday? It is on the Sunday, yeah. Of Stagecoach. Of Stagecoach, so we're trying to. Come on Saturday, it's perfect. I know, we usually only do Friday and Saturday because Sunday is like, we gotta get back to the real world. Sunday is, everyone's so hungover,

it's not even like a day. Yeah. But that is so exciting, how are you feeling about it? I'm feeling pretty good. It's the first time I've had the means and the production and like the budget to like do something like over the top for a performance. I've done TV performances and stuff

that's kind of a box on their terms, but genuinely it's like whatever I wanna do, I can do. And I grew up doing musical theater, so I'm like total theater kid. So I kinda wanna do, I don't wanna give too much away, but kind of like a Western shootout at the beginning to like open the stage up. And I'm gonna have like dancers up there.

I'm gonna have maybe some like lasso people up there. I don't know. I'm still kind of shooting things into the dark, but. I mean, we watched, I mean, it was Coachella, but Lana Del Rey, she's playing stage coach this year. And she came in on like the backs of motorcycles and like had a whole. Iconic. Iconic. Cause like, when you think about in on like the backs of motorcycles and like had a whole iconic. Because like when you think about it like a business perspective like the more crazy you

get the more press you're gonna get. So how crazy can I get? I was even thinking like can I come on come in on horseback? How crazy are you willing to be? I'm down for whatever you know but also like I have to understand it's like 3 30 p.. on a Saturday. I'm not headlining it. So let's calm down a little bit. But. It's Saturday, daydream. It is Saturday. Everyone, yeah, it's gonna be good.

Do you ever get nervous performing live? Oh God, yeah. I think it's good that I get nervous though because it means I care. And I think it's gonna stress me out more the day that I'm so zen before going on stage because it means I've've lost like the spark. Sure, sure.

Do you feel more at home, like in studio, just like hitting those notes or do you like getting- Hitting those notes, saying those things. In that studio. Or do you like being live? Freestyle a bit. Or live, just kind of like- Dancing around, yeah.

Dancing, performing, connecting with the audience. I think because I fell in love with music through like performing through musical theater, it's, performing, connecting with the audience. I think because I fell in love with music through, like performing through musical theater, it's definitely performing, but also I started songwriting when I was eight years old. And so like me with a guitar just tapped in is so cool too. It's just different, I don't know,

but I feel more like myself when I'm on stage. It's like the most badass version of myself, which is so fun. Did you know when Austin came out that it was gonna blow up? I had a gut. It's like the most badass version of myself, which is so fun. Did you know when Austin came out that it was gonna blow up? I had a gut, it's funny, I had a gut feeling. My brother and I work on a lot of music together, Bardo, and I wrote the song when I had no management,

like no nothing. I just fired my entire team. I had many labeled you before management, and I was just like, y'all don't get what I'm doing. Were you living in Tennessee at this time, or were you still? I went to college in Tennessee in Nashville, came back to LA, so I was living in LA at the time.

So I was writing this whole album by myself, just like doing it all myself, DIY. And I wrote Awesome with a couple friends and I remember sending my brother the demo right as I was leaving. And he like always shoots me so straight. He does like not blow any smoke up my ass. Like he's so straightforward with me. He calls me immediately and he like always shoots me so straight. He does like not blow any smoke up my ass. Like he's so straightforward with me.

He calls me immediately and he's like, what is this song? When did you write it? And I was like, I literally wrote it today. Like, I don't know, I'm just fucking heartbroken. Like I'm so sad right now. And he's like, no, this is like the best song you've ever written.

And I was like, really? And so I listened to it more and more. And I was like, this is really catchy. Now I think about it. And I was just like, so in my own head and so in my feels and it's such like a personal song and so I wasn't really thinking of it that way. But people's reactions, like my friends and like managers

that I knew showing them the song for the first time was always like, girl, what is this? And so then I kind of started believing it a little bit more and then when it blew up, I was like, oh my God, they were right. It was like so surreal. So this is based off of like an actual event that happened in your life?

Yeah, except I will say, at the time I'd never been to Austin, Texas. It's about Nashville. The entire story is so true, except it's in Nashville. But Nashville has no rhymes. Yeah, yeah. So as a songwriter, I was like, what can we do here? Switch it up a little bit. Austin rhymes with lost it. And there you go. Rhymes. Yeah, yeah. So as a songwriter, I was like, what can we do here?

Austin Rhymes has lost it. And your girl was losing it. So it made sense. Did you, when this song came out, it blew up, it's everywhere. Did the person that you wrote it about reach out to you? Oh, he's fully aware. I actually sent him the demo. Oh, we had. Yeah. to you. Oh he's fully aware I actually sent him the demo. Oh we had yeah um so I love... Y'all are back together? No god no. Okay. Well we got well okay. You look good a couple times. Yeah we have um no he was like my first like real big girl heartbreak. Oh my god. That'll fuck you up. Yes and I we never even dated though that's like the worst part of it all. Situation shit. Yeah it was like a two year long stretched out and I was ready. I wanted to give him my babies.

Like I was ready for this man. So ready, but he was so, like he had so much trauma to heal from from his childhood. Like a shitty, shitty, shitty childhood. My song, even Cowboys Cry, like goes into it. His dad was in and out of a prison, super poor, like grew up in like literally a one room house in Memphis. And, but he is such a sweetheart sweetheart, he's such a good guy

and I knew that underneath. So he just wasn't ready for me when I was ready for him. And then circling back, he had a girlfriend for a year while I was doing my thing and then we reconnected a few months ago and now he was like, yo, I'm low key ready for this now. And I'm like, sorry man, your time's passed. I'm glad. I love that for you. And I'm like, sorry, man, your time's passed. Like, I'm good.

Yeah, it felt good, but we definitely reconnected a little bit. So he's a fan of the song. Yeah, he's a fan of my music a lot. He's so supportive. The entire album's about him and he's very aware. I said it the entire time. I don't care about your feelings anymore, but.

But I will use that dick. No, you said it, not me. I was like. Your face said it, okay me. I was like, I was like. Your face said it, okay. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. I mean, yeah. For you. I'm just a girl.

What am I supposed to do? Just a girl. Also, I love doing things to the plot. Like I only write about my own life. And so sometimes when I'm like, okay, I gotta write an album. Like I gotta do some things. I purposely stir the pot a bit.

So you'll make toxic decisions because it might inspire you to write great songs. Absolutely. We love that. Yeah. Okay. What was the day like when you realized, holy fuck, Austin has taken over and it's everywhere.

So there was a couple of days spread out. So the first day that I posted that line dance video with me and my friend Zoe, overnight it had like two million views and that had never happened to me before. And I was like, whoa, that was insane. You know, everyone, my whole team was like buzzing. It was like a team of six people. You made up the line dance on your own?

Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, I've been line dancing since I was a kid. We'd go to the mid-state fair and that's how you'd flirt with boys is you'd have to go line dancing. So you bet you asked, I learned all the line dances. I was out there.

And so yeah, that first day was kind of crazy. And then two weeks later, it started getting added to all these playlists on Spotify and just kind of buzzed. I think it got its first organic radio ad. And we were just like, wait, what is going on? And then, God, what was the day? I think late February was my birthday week when labels started calling

and we got flown out first class to New York And by I had like nine hundred dollars might make out this point. Like I was calling my mom being like girl I don't know how I'm gonna rent next month And then I called her back when I was flying out to New York and I was like So, yeah, that was the week where I was like It's all gonna it's all gonna work out. Because I had literally every single label in the entire world knocking at my door.

And I kind of took this position of realizing the power I had and realizing I had all the negotiation power, whatever I wanted. And so I was super coy in these conversations and very understated and like, well, what can you do? Instead of being like, thank you so much for seeing me. I was like, well, I was like with the CEOs of Republic Records being, they showed me this whole spiel about the weekend and Ariana Grande and Taylor Swift.

Is that where we interviewed? No, that was Def Jam. We interviewed Alessia Cara and she's at Def Jam. Yeah. But yeah, it was just so cool to be like, what's that? Yeah. Did you, so you got like your pick of the yeah, it was just so cool to be like, what's that? Yeah. Did you, so you got like your pick of the litter, you chose who you wanted to choose?

Warner Records, I love them. It just felt like family. I just like really saw that they valued my art and like me making art and they were just like, we so see your vision and just run with it. Wow. Yeah. Damn. So it went Austin to Boots or?

Wait, it's the same song. Austin to Boots. Wait, what? Sing it. Did your boots stop working? Did your truck break down? But it's... Are you sure?

I even knew that. Wait, no, later on it got added, like it was Austin and then they wanted to add Boots Stop Working to the title. Maybe that's what you're thinking of. Okay. That's probably what you're thinking of. No, they're different. You're like... because later on it got added, like it was Austin, and then they wanted to add boots stop working to the title. Maybe that's what you're thinking of. That's probably what you're thinking of. I'm like, no, they're different names.

They're, I both, I see them both. Actually, that is exactly what you're thinking of. Why am I confused? They did that because everyone's like, what's the boot song? And then everyone was typing, you would see the research of like people typing in boots. And that's what we added.

Did your boots stop working to the title? Smart. Okay, that was a Warner move. That was a smart Warner move. And thank God they did because, woo, okay. So anyways, so we'll be moving on currently from that. How did the Kane Brown of it all start? Kane and I met back at the People's Choice Country Awards,

I think, we were sitting next to each other. And he's just like the homie. He's kind of good at it in the country scene. And I like that he's like pop leaning as well because that's kind of where my music sits and I got pitched the tour and he was like, hell yeah. And I'm like, hell yeah. It's now an opening.

I mean, for someone who is like, you're into like going all out and being so creative, his like sets, the way he performs is so creative. I saw him at stagecoach, wait, last year or two years ago? I can't remember what it was, but I was just like blown away. It was so good. It's wild.

We went to his show. Was that here? Yeah, that was here. And interviewed him beforehand, but like he's up on lifts. He's like all over the place. It's really cool. The pyro.

His stage design is so cool. Cause it's like a loop. It's a cat, hello, a cat walk, but it's a loop. And I've never seen a stage like this. And the pit, like the G.A. pit is inside the loop. And I like, I'm saying, I love a catwalk so much. Oh my God. And so I'm just like doing circles the entire time I'm performing and it's great because the people

in the back kind of get a front row seat. And then it's just like, adds more dynamic to it. After you're done with your performance as a stage coach, are you gonna enjoy the festival at all? Or are you gonna? Yeah, I'm gonna shotgun a beer. And then I'm going to, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, I think, well, there's a lot, I mean, who knows, I might be doing some pop-ups, there's gonna be a lot of parties to go to. Yeah, I'm gonna be bopping around. But you will immerse yourself with the festival. Absolutely. I also love a party. So, can you tell? I love a party. So can you tell?

I love a party. Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Yes. How, I mean, first of all, just a huge moment like in general to like be able to perform in Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. And then the lipstick on top of that.

Well, yeah. So how did that happen? What happened with that? Yeah, let's break that down real quick. So I had a glam call at 4 a.m. that morning. It's early. Yeah, it was very early. Got up very delulu, had the full face on.

The parade started at 7.30 or 8. We were on the float. It was pouring rain, pouring rain. I was out there for two hours just in the pouring rain. I thank God I had an umbrella, but I was waving freezing cold two hours. And then the way it works is right as you pull up, your float pulls up in front of the Macy's like front, your song starts and they hand you a mic and you go. Like there's no like, okay, five minutes.

It's like going. The float barely stops. Like my manager literally fell off the float because it didn't stop. It was like a whole, she almost ran over. It was crazy. But we're there, song starts, killing it. My extensions were looking beat. And I was like, God damn it, because I really couldn't care. And it was raining, humidity. And I was like, God bless, it's all good.

Praying for me. And she had just, my makeup artist had just reapplied my red lipstick to look good for camera. And everyone was like, don't touch the mic to your lips. Don't do it. It's not good at it. But like when I sing I'm like all up on that thing and I'm not thinking about that I'm trying to like sound good you know what I mean? So like the last thing I'm thinking about is like the distance of my mic to

my lips and um yeah is there a picture out there? Oh there's a picture can we can I see it? Oh absolutely it got me like a billion impressions, so period. But yeah, it was pouring rain and the mic was all up and I just like remember pulling the mic away from the last Austin and giving the audience a big old smile. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Give the audience a big old smile and I just looked like I was like kissing the back with Elmo, like straight up. Wait. It's kind of giving Taylor Swift. Wait, wait, go down. It's so bad. It is giving Taylor, but so like trailer swift, you know?

Trailer swift. It's giving trailer. Trailer swift. It's like all over. And I remember seeing the monitors after pulling the mic away and I was like, oh. And I was like, it's probably not that bad. It's probably just like me being in my head.

It's definitely not that bad. And then my manager called me, he's like, girl, you should probably say something about it. She was fucked. Have you worn red lipstick since? No. Yeah, I know. I know it's like good eyewear. I got the Superstain, the Maybelline Superstay

for my birthday as like a joke from like a lot of people, which was funny to be fair, but no, fuck that. But did you see anyone dressed up as you? For Halloween? Yeah. That'd be kind of iconic. That's actually a good Halloween costume. Wait!

That would be a good idea. Love! Would you be flattered or offended? So flattered. I don't give a fuck, it's lipstick. I don't think it's that bad. And people are so mad about it, like you're a whore. And I'm like, okay.

What? Dude, I get called the craziest shit. Cause country is such like a kind of more conservative leaning fan base. And that's, that's cool, whatever. But they were mad about like the shorts I was wearing. I can't believe people called you that. Oh yeah.

They're like, it's a family show. Why is she wearing that and getting lipstick all over her face? I'm like, you think I tried to do this? Because it's intentional. It's crazy. That's crazy. That's just moms projecting back

and they're like kind of little, when they were. But like the thing about the Lipstick Fiasco is I'm really weirdly grateful that it happened because I feel like the message of my music and like how I write songs is showing like, especially to like my super young fans, like, hey, it is okay to not have it all together. It's okay to be messy

and not know what the fuck you're doing and make bad decisions with men. Like it just is the way it goes. And it's okay if you get lipstick all over your face on national television. It's okay. I'm just a girl. Literally. Literally.

I love it. Literally. So I'm kind of glad it happened because it just showed like how I'm very human and I'm like, whatever. Yeah. Did you feel any like- Trailer sort of- Trailer sort of crazy. Trailer. Trailer. I'm very human and I'm like whatever. Yeah. Did you feel any like- Trailer switch. Like crazy.

Trailer switch. Trailer switch. I'm like period. I kinda like that. Honestly, kinda cool. Because I am, like I'm way more white trash than her. She's so classy. And that's okay.

That is okay. Yes. We all have a little bit. Absolutely. Woo. How was your love life these days? Well, I have like options, but I'm just so- Okay, player.

Yeah, player. Fucking player, you slut. How's your roster? The roster's deep, for sure, but I don't care. I don't want a man. And so, yeah, I will text them and entertain and- Are you in your fuckboy era? Absolutely.

If I was a man, they would hate me so much because my girl can do whatever the hell I want. Yeah, no, I just don't want a boyfriend at all. Even if I met the most perfect man right now, I'd be like, period, give me a few years. I mean, you're a rock star. Yeah. Also, just be on tour, you're so busy

and the last thing I wanna do. Also, anything I do right now is gonna be long distance because I'm always on the road, I'm never in one place. And at the end of the day, thing I wanna do, also anything I do right now is gonna be long distance, because I'm always on the road, I'm never in one place. And at the end of the day, all I wanna do is maybe call my mom. And then I wanna read a book in bed, I wanna read my dragon smut and then go to bed. You know? Like I don't wanna have a man around.

What's dragon smut? Fourth wing, have you read it? I can't do fantasy, sci-fi, sex. You can do this book. I can't do fairy spucking. No. I need real people. You can do these fairy spucking.

It's so good. This is A Court of Thorn and Roses. It's better, in my opinion. Okay. I think the story's more, it's more like war. It's less like, shishifufu, you know? It's more war. It's more war.

It's more like real. Who was breaking up last night? Oh, that's in a book that's awful that I'm really just trying to get through. What book is it? Truly, The Boyfriend by Frieda Mc... Whatever. It's a terrible, terrible book. But I like, I know.

It's like a psychological thriller. I think everyone knows it's Frieda. Frieda even knows that it's not her best, okay? Okay, so I'm really just trying to get through because I did pay $12.99 for it on my Kindle. Yeah, so I'm really just trying to get through it currently in this moment. No, you should read fourth wing.

I was very much into erotic thrillers for a moment and then I did very much, my clit didn't need a break. Oh, like what? Can you give me some like, I don't got a boyfriend, so like give me some. I'll send you the links, I'll send you the links. They got me through some tough times. Okay, good.

Nick was snoring beside me. What was I doing? I was reading this crazy sex scene in fourth wing as I was on vacation with my grandma. It was just me and her in Belize. And we're like sitting on these beach chairs. She's like yapping about New York Times. And I'm like reading, he slides it in my slick entrance.

And I'm like, fuck! Excuse me, grandma, I need to use the restroom and I will be gone for a minute. Did you say slick entrance? Oh my God, I can't get it out of my head. She says slick entrance in the book. I love that. Is that disgusting?

I love it. But it's so descriptive and I love it. It kind of turns me on like a weird way. Why do I hate it? It is very descriptive. It is very descriptive, my slick entrance. My slick entrance. Because that's what it is.

And doesn't he like any slid in like Tom Cruise in Risky Business, you know, like with just socks on? Like that? Raw, just, oh, with just socks on like that. Raw, just, oh, I guess a sock is not raw. That would, yeah. That would. No one's, have you all seen that? Risky Business?

Yeah. Sorry, before your y'all's time. Yeah, for sure. She's an artist, so she might have seen that. Sorry, yeah. I'm educated in art. She's in the arts. She watches films. She watches films.

She watches films. I didn't watch anything past 2000 actually. Neither did she. Speaking of watching, what are you watching these days? She watches film. She watches film. I don't watch anything past 2000 actually. No, neither does he. Speaking of watching, what are you watching these days? I actually just watched White Lotus last night. You did, you're caught up. I'm caught up. And have you watched the first two seasons?

Yes. And you're- I cannot believe The Brothers made out last night. No, yeah, that was really- That was like, made me so uncomfortable. Yeah, and I am- More uncomfortable than Sam Rockwell's long monologue about how he's fucking himself

That was insane too and how he was like I want to be a little Asian girl and I pay her to sit there and watch me get fucked because I'm her and I'm Like holy hell and then what's his name who who plays? Sam Ruffall no the other guy Rick anyways Rick's just sitting there, and he's like uh-huh Yeah, yeah, can you imagine like being the writer of that monologue? No. Like, that's where my brain went.

They're like, honestly, you want to go further than what you think we want. We want you to take it to another level. Exactly. And I was watching with my roommate who's an actress, and so we talk about acting and writing all the time. But we were just giggling to ourselves. Imagine having to be in that, like, reading the script for the first time and being like just like giggling to ourselves. Like imagine having to like be in that like

reading the script for the first time and being like, okay, here I go. I wanna get fucked by a daddy and be an Asian girl. Like what? Yeah, and then the suicide scene, almost near suicide scene freaked me out. With who? Oh my gosh, yes, the dad.

The dad who was like writing the note. And then she came out. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought he pulled the trigger when she opened the door. That was so gnarly. Yeah, that was crazy. I don't think he's gonna do that. Do you know who Sam Rockwell's wife is in real life?

No. It is the woman who's the actress in White Lotus who's playing the short blonde who is from Austin, Texas. No way. Leslie Bibb. Yeah, Leslie Bibb. Wait, that's so fun. They're married in real life.

They met filming, I believe, Iron Man 2. Wow, her character's so annoying. I know. She's like my least favorite character. Yeah. But also I think that's what she's supposed to be. Yeah. Did you see the twist coming of the friend

fucking the guy who worked? No, no I didn't actually. But I'm kinda glad it happened. It's like, you know the three girls, they hate each other so much. And so like the fact that the entire time she's been like pushing Lori to have sex with this guy and then she does it is like.

So fucked. So fucked. That was something I would have done in my earlier days. Really? Oh my God. I feel like we've all probably almost done that before. I feel like we probably actually have. But that's just like being a girl. And that's so fucked.

But yeah, when you're a single girl or guy, when you're single and you're all, well, her character's not single, though that makes it a little shady. Yeah, I don't like that. But if you are all single, then yeah, it's all kind of all fair and love and war. You're all kind of like part of it as like.

And she's clearly the hottest one. And she's also like a movie star. So like put it in those terms, being that guy who works at the White Lotus, I would be like her. Nick was asking me if like it's actually, with the scene of them like dancing and then the three women who were like staring at him

and she was like dancing harder. He was like, does that really happen? Like women who like want your man and you kind of like show them that you can't have them. 100%. Like you're making eye contact with random women at a bar who you think want your guy or the guy that you're getting with, you'll lock eyes

and give them the old like you wish you had this. Yeah, 100%. Sarah, have you ever done that? I'm sure. It's just like a part of being a girl. I don't know, there's like this weird competitiveness that sucks, but it's just like the way it goes sometimes. Also just like watch me go, you know?

It's kind of fun. Watch me go right now. Watch me go. Watch me go. Who do you think did it? Who do you think dies and who do you think the killer is? Oh, cause there's always gonna be someone that dies. Well, I think it's gonna be the gun that the dad takes.

But I don't think it's gonna be him. I think it's gonna be like Rick or some shit, you know? Cause Rick's kind of a wild card. Maybe the monkeys steal it. Maybe the monkeys steal it. Or. I feel like it's giving be like Rick or some shit, you know? Cause Rick's kind of a wild card. Maybe the monkeys steal it. Maybe the monkeys steal it. Or. I feel like it's giving Patrick. You think?

Oh yeah, Patrick might do it. He's gonna find out his dad has no money. Saxon, Saxon, yeah. Oh, oh yeah. And he's gonna be like, oh my God and I just kissed my brother and I kinda liked it. And he's on drugs and I do my own.

He's probably gonna kill himself honestly. No. No. I think he'd just be like, I'm going, like I think he goes crazy. Who's gonna die? What if he kills Chelsea? There was a lot of gunshots

in like the first episode preview. Yeah. I don't know. Greg is also looking for the masseuse's like contact information. That is true. Oh, Greg is also sketchy. Or what if Greg dies? Maybe Saxon figures it out,

tries to be a hero for the masseuse, and then kills Greg. He needs to die at this point. Well, maybe, definitely more, there might be more than a hero for the masseuse. And then goes Greg. He needs to die this one. There might be more than one dead person, but like. True, Greg is weird. He's misunderstood. You think? You're gonna come to a murderous defense?

Yeah, huh? He killed, are you serious? Jennifer Coolidge, what do you mean? Maybe she just got on his nerves, I don't know. She would be really annoying as that character, as a wife, to be fair. Yeah, she would be be the guys are coming. I'm so bad at that I'm not gonna try. I can't do it. Do you watch reality TV at all?

Like low-key not really I don't even have time to watch anything. Let's see what I did watch. The last time I watched reality TV was Love Island, the last season. Because I know Rob from before he was Rob. Really? How'd you meet Rob before he was Rob? His sister, Lily, is my best friend. Really? So we met the summer before.

You're still best friends? Yes, she's my best friend in the entire world. How, and what was that experience like watching her little brother become Big brother? America's hearth throb. Little brother, yeah. It was really, I didn't watch it at first because I didn't want to get cringed out was watching her little brother become America's hearth rob. I didn't watch it at first

because I didn't want to get cringed out. And I love Rob, he and I are friends. So I didn't watch it and I watched three or four of the episodes and I stopped. Cause I just like, I know him and I know like, I could just feel how overwhelmed he was getting. And he's like a very sensitive guy. And I just felt bad.

Like they put him in such like a hard situation and like make him break these girls hearts and like he didn't want to do any of that. I don't know. So I had so much empathy for him. I just like couldn't even watch it. How was your best friend through it all? Was she like, cause I feel like I-

She was watching it. She had to, she had to. No, I was definitely checking out on her. I was like, what's up? How you doing? Well, she was excited because she thought he was going gonna make it to the hometown tours or the hometown part whatever She was like I'm ready for my moment. Like here we go. They do that Sometimes they call they have like the family's call in and meet. Oh, they call. Yeah. Yeah, but she didn't get her moment. Unfortunately

Sorry, Lily. Sorry Lily. Yeah, maybe next time maybe next time your brother Sorry, Lily. Sorry, Lily. Yeah, maybe next time. Maybe next time your brother's on the- Maybe next time. Yeah, I'm sure he'll be on the news soon. He's at that point, is kinda having casual sex with-

People on TV. Yeah. You know? He was like, I'm not gonna find love. Like, I can't imagine my brother being on there. I would just be like- Oh, God, no. And watching it, I just like,

that's such a crazy experience. You're just like, you don't do that. Watching people like my brother. Yeah. I mean, the fact that he's married is already shocking enough, so I'm like- No? I don't do that. Watching people like my brother. Yeah. I mean, the fact that he's married is already shocking enough. So I'm like, I don't. Your brother.

My brother is gay. Oh, oh. I was like, wait, when did that happen? I was like, what did I miss? No, no, no. I can't imagine watching my brother on a dating show thinking like people would actually like him. And then I am shocked.

Actually, what? I'm also shocked that he's married. So, and he's been married for quite some time. Dang. I'm one person. None of my siblings are married yet. What's crazy is that the person who chose him was his first ever girlfriend.

Oh. Really? Did he like circle back or was it like a consistent thing? No, it was like he like never really had a girlfriend like growing up. He was just like never really that type of guy and then went into the military and like met a girl and then they started dating and then he got out of the military

and then they got married. Wow. I know. What's up with you guys? What have you guys been watching? What should I watch? You watch everything? That's why we watch everything. I know, cause you guys like report on everything.

I feel bad that I don't know more reality. You need to watch Temptation Island. Really? Temptation Island is bonkers. I like tea. I like like really juicy tea. It's really crazy. There's threesomes.

Oh, love. And the girl, well, his girlfriend has to watch the threesome happen on a screen. Wait, there's a girlfriend? They come as couples and then, no, it's crazy. And they have to see like, are you gonna be tempted by all these other girls that you're gonna be living with who are like the temptresses?

And it's like their job to get you to like break and fall in love with them and touch and break your physical boundaries, whatever the hell you may have. And then every couple days, they go and they sit at this bonfire and watch a screen of what their boyfriend is doing with these other, it's crazy.

Literally no. And then one gentleman had a threesome with two randos and was like, I don't regret this shit. He's just like, I need to feel something. Kind of, almost verbatim, he said. with two randos and was like, I don't regret this shit. He's just like, I need to feel something. Kind of, it's almost verbatim, he said. He basically wanted to check that box off his list. It was Breon.

Breon, yes. Breon. The man on the left. And then he had Courtney. And it was two women because they go on dates. They get to pick someone to go on a date with. And he did not choose either of those women to go on the date because he was like,

then you form like an emotional connection and I was just trying to have a threesome. Whoa, so like everyone that's at the bottom are all the temptresses? So the women get the men, the men get the women and they're all trying to see who's gonna break. Whoa. It's really wild.

So if you have any free time, I would definitely suggest. Love. I really like Too Hot to Handle too. This is kind of a little Too Hot to Handle-esque. Yeah. They're all very attractive. But I've only seen Harry Jowsey's season, which was forever ago, but I was watching that shit.

I never watched Too Hot to Handle, but it was good. You should watch Temptation on it. It's streaming on Netflix now. Is it Netflix? Yeah, it's on Netflix now. Awesome. Yeah. That one part was when Ashley went into the hut

with the, what's it called? Oh yeah, they put a, I would actually, I wouldn't be able to go further on anymore, but they put like a tent, a nice tent with a bed in it and each of the villas and it was like, if you go into this, it was like, no cameras are allowed in there. Oh my God.

So if you go in, like you can do whatever you wanna do, not on camera, but it lights up at the other house. So like the women will know that someone, one of their men took a girl in with no cameras. Oh. Yeah. And Ashley took Danny into it. She was like, I really just wanna like set off. Wait, show me Danny.

Danny is in there. Oh, he's cute. He's very cute. My first scan is I like Danny the best. Well. That's like my type. I love the mustache. He's 22. That's her guy. I'm 25, so, well. It's not bad.

It's not bad. It's not bad. Kind of cradle robbing. Just ask. It's not bad. I just said he's 22. Anyways, so she goes in and on their way and she's like, I really wish you would have carried me and his response is, maybe next time.

Huh? Yeah, not your husband. Huh? Oh my God. Maybe next time. Taylor and Tyler, that's fun. Taylor and Tyler. Yeah, they're talking about.

They're already broken up. We're not even done with the show. I just feel like anyone that goes on the show with their boyfriend is gonna break up 100%. It's just so sad. Alexa and Lino, they've been together for almost four years. It's like, what are you doing on this show?

Maybe they're just feeling like it's the end, but they just wanna last her off. Go out with a bang. That's some shit I would do. I was gonna say, Ashley saw her boyfriend full on cheating on her, and she was like, this is just all the proof I needed. Like not even like a freak out, not a tear doubt.

She was just like, nope, I knew it, piece of shit. No, and then, but Taylor goes, I want this to not feel like cheating. Like after he took a shower and had sex with some chick. Oh, Grant. Grant, yeah. Yeah, when you hooked up with, when her name was Natalie. Natalie, yeah. When he's sitting playing the guitar. Oh, Grant. Grant, yeah. Yeah, when you hooked up with, what her name was Natalie? Natalie, yeah.

When he's sitting playing the guitar. Oh, that motherfucker. And he's singing about cheating. I know, I made a mistake. I know what I've done. First of all, first of all. It's like literally out of the Barbie movie playing guitar at them.

Thank you for reminding me of that though. This motherfucker brought a guitar to Temptation Island. That's like bringing a puppy. That's like being like, you know what I'm saying? Like even if you're an actual musician, if you went on Temptation Island, Dasha, and you brought a guitar, I mean like she wants to fuck.

Like she is there to like- Okay, I would do, because I'd sauce that shit up. But if someone who was bad did it, I'd be like, get the fuck away from me. Bad or good, but if you bring a guitar as like a prop to like some sort of dating situation, you're like, you're not. I mean, yeah.

He was waiting to Ken bust it out. For sure. He's just like, this was like, he brought the guitar to look. He knows what he's doing. Yeah, like he brought basically a sex toy. Yeah, he brought a vibrator he can play. That's good, seriously.

That's like bringing a vibrator to a date. 100%, I just thought it was wild that he's singing like a, I made a mistake with you to the song, to the girl walking out. And he keeps going as she's like sitting next to him. It's like, okay. Was it a song that he wrote? Yes.

Apparently it was an infall. That infall would be so bad. No, I cannot do that. It was awful. You have no idea how many men that I'm like lightly talking to you would be like, well, let me just like show you this song real quick that are like, are not artists.

It's like the most painful thing. Have you ever had someone who is an artist try to sing to you and be like, and not like, let me demo this shit for you, but like you're hanging out, it's a date, we're not working, we're like offline. I can't tell you how many times this has happened. Men, that scene out of Barbie.

Does it show up your lady penis? It's so unbelievably accurate. Like they play guitar at you. Looking you straight in the eye. And you just have to act like, oh, wow. Never heard this before. You know what's like the fuck is going on. No one ever.

You actually listen, you don't just say stop. No, I'll like get up and like get myself a glass of water and like try to give them cues of like, I'm so, like I'm dried up. Like I have'm dried up like a desert right now. Like I have to go, like I have to leave. Yeah, this is actually hurting your chances of getting with me right now. Is that my car I hear started in the driveway?

Yeah, I'm like, oh, let me go check on that. Sorry, the remote start accidentally pressed in my pocket. My apartment's flooded, gotta go. Oh God, I gotta wash my cat, sorry. I'm so sorry. So crazy. Oh my God, brutal. Yeah, it's not great.

That's crazy. What is your birth name? Anna Dashia Navatney. Anna is my first name. Okay. But I've always gone by Dasha. You have. Yeah, well, kindergarten through sixth grade,

I was Anna, cause I thought Dasha was too weird. I wouldn't have friends. I don't know why I went there, but I released my first song in seventh grade when I switched schools. So I went by Dasha from then on. And I was just like, perfect. Wow.

Where did your parents get Dasha? I wasn't named till three weeks after I was born. What? My parents are hippies, California hippies. I know literally one of those. And they wanted to feel like, I cannot make this up. They wanted to feel my vibe, like straight up. And they're calling me baby for a while.

Say what you want. I mean, now you're a star using that name. They kind of got it right. And like, I love my nickname Dash. Like my friends call me Dash, which is cute. But my aunt called my parents three weeks in and was like, what about Dash? And they're like, love, she's a girl.

What about Dasha? And it just like stuck. Cause like traditionally, like it's like Dasha or Dasha, which is like a Russian name. It's like Emily over there. Like everyone is named Dasha or Dasha, which is like a Russian name. It's like Emily over there. Everyone is named Dasha. Yeah.

But Dasha is my Americanized name. Dasha. Dasha, so yeah. All right, Dasha. Yeah. Well, this has been so much fun. Thanks for having me. Can you please plug away,

obviously so many people know where to get your music and all that fun stuff, but anything you want, can people find you on tour? Tour, well guys, I'm on tour right now with Kane Brown, going out with Thomas Rhett next. That's kind of a big deal. Great, I love Thomas Rhett.

You're really there. I'm doing it. It's so weird, because last year I was not doing it. It's crazy. What could happen in here? It's so exciting. But okay, find me on tour, you can just search my name on Google.

You'll find the tickets, I'm sure. And find me at Stagecoach. And I'm working on a new album. So keep your eyes peeled. Woo, yeah. Let's go. So much fun. Hell yeah.

Thanks guys. Bye. Well, she's fun. I love that she's from slow because a lot of people commented on the Dylan Efron one being like, how do they not know where slow is? Cause you're like Santa, Luis Obispo, what are you saying? Oh, is that what-

Is that the slang name for that place? Slow is San Luis Obispo. Because everyone's like, and then people are like, you know what, let's just say Slow. Yeah, yeah. Leia- There's a lot of towns that people can't pronounce, okay?

There was a town next to me where I grew up called Opelika and no one could fucking say Opelika So like and am I offended? No, I just think it's hilarious cuz I have family from slow to and they're like girl Really like if you're offended that I cannot pronounce The name of your town and it has 92 letters in it Like I am sorry at least um, at least you know the lyrics to her song Leia thought that the lyrics to her song were, did your boots stop working?

Did your lungs give out? And now that's the only way I can think of. That sounds like it though. What's the actual lyric? Did your truck give out? Did your boots stop working? Did your truck break down? Did your truck break down?

I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. She said, did your lungs give out? Were you listening whenever it was playing or were you just like guessing? Well, those, I thought those were the lyrics until Sierra corrected me. Sometimes you hear stuff wrong. It's okay, but those are the lyrics in my heart now.

I heard what I wanted to hear. Well, did you see a little Southern charm, Madison LaCroix is like, people are all up in arms because apparently her house was listed for sale and everyone's freaking the fuck out, which I think is the weirdest. First of all, if she listed her house for sale, people should stop putting that online.

Right? It is interesting, yeah. It's weird. Like why would you platform someone's personal address? I have no idea and I've never understood it. It's the Bravo Sphere, they look into everything. Yeah, remember they knew that Brittany moved out of her house based off of a selfie of the mirror in the background,

knowing that it wasn't the same house that she, like, it's... That's scary. It's really scary. But she, like... Boundaries, people. Yeah. She, someone... Wait, she offered a cryptic comment or someone? Well, someone commented on a post saying, Girl, where are you moving to, LOL? And she said, Cali. We're assuming she's struggling.

I'm assuming she's struggling. There's no way she's pregnant, to, LOL, and she said Cali. We're assuming she's struggling. I'm assuming she's struggling. There's no way she is pregnant, moving, like taking her son, he's like what, 10, 11, like out of school and moving to California. I mean, maybe, I don't know, but like definitely seems like she's like, my response to that would be like-

Don't come? No, no, no. My response would be like. Don't come? No, no, no. My response would be like the most random, I would say somewhere in Europe, like just a random place of like mind your own business. Like I'm not, I don't know. Bulgaria. Her husband.

I'm moving to Bulgaria. Her husband does work fly out here throughout the week because he's a firefighter. So yeah, that's the whole thing where they, when Paige and Craig and Madison would not always talk, that she was saying that they were bi-coastal relationship because he has to fly out here for work. Why does he firefight out here?

Probably get paid for it. He's like a higher up. I don't know that he's actually like suiting up, but I know that he has to like come here for like whatever to manage his department. Oh, interesting. Well, maybe she is moving to Cali. So she could be.

Okay, well, what the fuck do I know? Southern Cali, the new charm. It is interesting that that would be the way that she like reveals that she's moving. It's just like responding to like a comment. That I agree with too. So it's a little strange. She could be trolling or.

Shep's not moving. He's still, you see how he decorates his house. Did you see the 5 million hats under his coffee table? We're the same age. I will, and defense of Shep though, you really need a lady in your life. Yeah. Those apartments get scarier as they get older alone.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, is that your bed in the corner? Is that your mattress in the corner of the room? But before I met Natalie, I can't say that I was much better. It actually wasn't that bad.

I remember like the first time I, yeah. Did he have nightstands? Multiple pillows? He did, he had nightstands, he had two pillows. Yeah. A duvet. Or a blanket. He did have a duvet.

Anything on his walls? Pictures of himself. Stop it. It was like mixed tiles, it was probably like a brand deal. It was like you and friends. It was a brand deal, yeah. It was. It was like mixed tiles. It was probably like a brand deal. It was like you and friends. It was a brand deal, yeah. It was you and friends. It was definitely the feelings.

It wasn't just me. Yeah, it wasn't a bunch of selfies. Your bachelor poster. It wasn't a bunch of selfies, but there was definitely like, yeah, a bunch of pictures of you and your friends and family. It was a brand deal, yeah. And some like art from Bed Bath & Beyond.

No art, no art. Yeah, he had a blue velvet couch. Oh. That's fancy. Sassy. Yeah, what else did you have? I never stepped- That was the hand that handed me down

from my broken relationship with Vanessa. Wait, what? I got in the divorce. Oh. And then Natalie got rid of it as soon as she, thank God. Yeah. Thank God. She's like, this is the first thing to go.

It's like that one couch in Vanderpump Rules. Oh, arts, Tom and the Tom, Kristen, Jack's, Ariana couch. I don't think I ever stepped foot in your guest bedroom, but I do remember it being just like full of crap. It was my art room. His art room, yes. I respect that. I respect that.

Every time, this man is like, I need a art studio at the lake, or I'm thinking of putting an art studio. I'm like, you have not. He set up an art studio in our current house five years ago when we moved in, and he has not once stepped foot into his art studio. And now he's like, well, we need to have one

at any possible house that we could ever live in in our future, must have an art studio in case I decide to dabble. Thank you, Justin. Are you painting? You can't rush the art. We're planning for the future. What's inside an art studio in case I decide to dabble. Thank you, Justin. Are you painting? You can't rush the art. We're planning for the future. What's inside this art studio?

What crafts are you getting into? I mean, oil paints. Oh, of course. Duh. Not watercolor, I didn't know. Acrylics. I haven't done a lot of, well, I mean, maybe acrylics. Ceramics.

Yeah, maybe acrylics. Watercolors I might dabble. You guys have a ghost moment? You're also downplaying oil paints. You're actually like, you're downplaying. Well, first of all, I have painted. I believe you.

That's why I'm asking what's in an art studio. What kind of stuff do you paint? You haven't painted since you were living in Venice. Bob Ross photos. But you haven't done anything since you were living? Yeah, no, I haven't done oil, for sure. He's gonna paint with River in the studio. But JT was definitely under,

this episode, honestly, every episode of JT gets worse under, this episode, honestly every episode of JT gets worse and worse and worse and worse. This one I can't defend. Quit. No you can't defend. Just quit. And thank God he did. But then he still comes back for the reunion.

Do you think he said it? 100%. Seemed real defensive. 100%. I was like even the barber call wasn't that condensing. Wasn't much different than what he was accused of saying honestly like I like Some black girl cute some cute black girl. I like I don't throwing in the word cute doesn't make it any better Yeah, you know and he's really like trying to make sure that like that is gonna make it better. Yeah, it doesn't It's insensitive regardless. And then him calling Vanita

and making himself the victim was weird. The whole idea, forget about whatever comment he did or didn't make that may or may not have been ignorant and inappropriate and insensitive. But this effect that he has this girlfriend and we watched him lean into this storyline with Vanita all season long and then play her the way he's played her, and then have his actual girlfriend,

whoever this person is, talk shit about Vanita, when clearly she's hearing from JT about what that relationship status is, and obviously he's downplaying it to her, while upplaying it to us, which is interesting that we haven't heard from her at all, because you would think, he's clearly obviously, he must be blaming producers in the show

and when it comes to her, and I'm assuming they're still together, are they, she must be believing it. That I don't know, but I know that Vanita did share on the after show that that scene in maybe the second or third episode where they're shopping together. And she's like, oh, you look yummy,

that she actually spent $5,000 on him that day. And it's just kind of one of those things where it's like, that's not something your best friend does. That's something that like, $5,000. Well, he's claiming that never happened. And like, it's a whole- Vanita's claiming it did? Yeah, Vanita got on Southern Turnout after show

and said that she spent $5,000. She's like, that's not it's a whole... Vanita's claiming it, dude. Vanita, yeah, Vanita got on Southern Turnout after show and said that she spent $5,000. She's like, that's not something that a best friend does. And that's also not something someone would lie about. Like, yeah, I spent $5,000 on him. But I'm like, that says to me that she thought she was investing in her future partner, not like, oh, you know what? I think you would really like, you look so good in this. We can throw it away.

Why not? I feel like Vanita's been so mature this whole season of like, she's clearly getting played to this day. Yeah. And like the whole time, like she's trying to be positive of JT and I don't understand. You know what? She's very much like Southern values and trying to be like a put together Southern woman

and I love that for her, but I'm like, yeah, it couldn't be me. I would be like exposing this man left and right and she's still trying to see the good in him. It's tough to watch Paige and Craig now. Oh, yeah. And she's rolling her eyes at them. I think they say like, I mean, they're broken up now,

so we have the answer, but like, there's no better sign of a broken relationship when people are rolling their eyes at each other. I mean, yeah, but it's also like for me, like in Defensive Paige, I'm just like, can we just sit down and have dinner? Like, it's just like for me like in Defensive Page, I'm just like, can we just sit down and have dinner? Like it's just like every, they go to the farm, they go look at bees and somehow it ends up

in this like very serious or like conversation of like your career, you're moving forward, I wanna settle down. And she's like, can we just have dinner? Yeah, well I don't wanna watch that. I mean, but it's also- Yeah, I'm sure they did have dinner. I don't, no, I do not wanna watch Page come to town

and sit them watch and not talk at dinner. I know, I'm fully aware, but what I'm saying is that Craig can't sit here and be like, oh man, that was mean or whatever, where I'm just like, you started this conversation. But also she does really like to really throw it in, the whole conversation with Austin of her being like, you're preaching to the choir, like, yep,

I don't think you need to, they very much were like bonding over their relationships being similar on their end and like kind of in front of Craig where it was like, okay. I mean, she's definitely checked out, checking out of this relationship in the process. He's trying to move this relationship forward. He's trying to like, hey, I got this house.

I got this backyard. He's got a great backyard by the way. Yeah, he does. Well done, Craig. Very nicely done. But yeah, like he wants to, I mean, literally settle down and she doesn't, you know. It's unfortunate, cause I'm like, but I just understand her when she was just like,

I never wanna live a slow life that I'm like, yeah, then you guys need to break up. Listen, everyone's different, you know, like Nellie and I really didn't talk about it, you know, when we, when Nellie got pregnant with River, but boy, we haven't slowed down. And we're very lucky and very privileged to be able to get help.

We have a lot of family members who can help with childcare and things like that, but we have definitely not slowed down. And so it's just interesting hearing this conversation and hearing Paige's perspective as if like, she definitely has it in her mind. And it is obviously for a lot of people that if like a life with Craig

and if they decided to have kids together, you know, like there's a lot of sacrifices to be made, no question when it comes to being a parent, but like it doesn't necessarily mean that your life has to end or your life has to slow down or you can't have a career. I mean, Nellie and I have never been more busy with our careers and we're very much like growing a family.

I also do think though people are scared if you live a fast paced life to bring children into it because they're scared of like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to like sacrifice so much. And it's like, well, on one end you do, but also like a baby joins your life. And if you want to, it is very easy to include babies. They're adaptable, they go with the flow.

You know, like it's honestly not as hard as I think a lot of people make it out to be. And it's like, I think if they wanted to make it work, it wouldn't be that hard. And listen, every situation is different. We're not here to tell people, having kids are super easy, and our situation obviously is different

than anyone else listening. But yeah, to Nellie's point, we love being parents. And we bring River along as much as we can. She comes into our- Not liver, but slugger. We bring River- I can't. We include River into our life Not liver, but just water. We bring River. I can't. We include River into our life as much as we can.

We bring her around. And yeah, she assimilates into our life. And the difference between our life before and our life now is when we're not working and we're not having a crazy life or doing some cool thing or we're not, all the other shit is just like replaced by more meaningful shit.

Like the shit we were just like, I don't know what you wanna do, you know, when we were just like chilling, like we replace it with just like meaningful moment after meaningful moment. And like, I don't know, that's really the only. Like you just gotta bring a lot more snacks and toys, you know? Yeah.

It is interesting. Cause then on the summer house side of this past week, it's Craig telling Paige, if you were so busy the rest of your life, then I'd know we wouldn't work out. So it's like you're seeing the two ends of how it's being portrayed on each show. And it's kinda, yeah, just to that point,

it's just weird, because you just, especially for them, I mean, I don't know their situation, but there's a lot of busy, successful parents out there. I think it'd be interesting to wonder if their relationship would have been different if like Craig was willing to like raise kids in New York where it seems like Paige was not willing to raise kids in Charleston to her. Well that's an interesting question like if you know again they're broken up now so it's almost weird talking about it but like would Craig be a stay-at-home dad?

You know would he marry a woman who was maybe more advanced in her career than his and more the breadwinner? And if, let's say, Paige and Craig worked out and her career keeps being elevated, she keeps getting busier and busier, she's booked and busy, Craig is fine. But compared to Paige, she seems to be, you know, on a higher trajectory. Like, would he be, you know, daddy daycare?

And what do you stay home? What do you, what do you, you know, what do you do that? I don't, I don't know. But like it would require maybe something like that, you know, as, you know, you got to figure it out as a family, as parents, and you adapt to whatever situation comes up. So maybe if you have two people who are like, no, I need to be, you know. But also it very much did seem like Paige did not or was not willing to like make Craig a priority in her life.

It seemed very much like her career was really the only thing, you know, cause she even said like, well, once like we get married and like my mom, like, you know, my mom. Also like, yeah, listen, I know maybe it's part of Paige's like bit or whatever, but like dating someone who like constantly like talks down to men would probably bother me after a while. Like, cause Paige talks down about men, to men, and even a little bit to Craig where it's just like, I don't know,

like maybe that's like her bit. I don't know. maybe that's her vibe, that's kind of her persona, but it would kind of. Craig did say, I don't remember, because they all run together if it was in Summer House or Southern Charm, but he was like, I've never been in this submissive like in a relationship before. He did say he was a sub, which is really funny.

It was an interesting relationship dynamic. Clearly, they didn't work out. It's interesting to watch the relationship kind of fall apart. It's very much giving in a completely different way, but when we knew what happened with Sandoval and Raquel, and you knew what happened and then you watched the season and you just paid more attention to them.

And the background, yeah, and the little moments. It's just like all of it meant more cause you knew like how everything ended up. It's like you watch their relationship a little bit closer cause you know they're not together and it's like, do you see it falling apart? Would this be a dating red flag for you? Because I thought it was a huge red flag from Paige.

Like honestly, maybe Paige is right. Like maybe Paige's mom, as far as Paige's concern, has never been wrong. But if I'm dating someone and Paige delivered that line to me the way Paige delivered it to Craig, implying that like if and when we get married and have kids that like her mom will be a more trusted like source than her own partner, I would be like, absolutely not. For Paige to imply that her mom would never be wrong going forward and that she would go to her mom first before she went to her partner,

I don't wanna marry that person. Oh, well. I want nothing to do with her. That's you. I trust my grandma's opinion. My mom passed away, so therefore, that's why I'm using my grandma. But I would trust my grandma's opinion before I trust passed away, so therefore, that's why I'm using my grandma.

But I would trust my grandma's opinion before I trust Connor's opinion. He's never had a baby. She's watched two of them. Obviously context matters. I mean, if we're talking about, it's not as if they had a specific topic, right? Where all of a sudden they were talking about bottle feeding

and then Craig tried to mansplain to Paige about it. That's not what happened. This was like a general conversation just talking about on a high level and Paige is talking about her mom's never been wrong, so she will always be the person she kind of goes to first. And there is a lot of people who have that type of relationship with their parent where it's very much mom and dad

are still playing the role of mom and dad, even though that person isn't an adult. And to your point, I think if we're speaking in hypotheticals, I think you would have broken up with her if you were in Craig's position. I think you would have broken up with her last season of Summer House when they were talking about taking the next step and she started crying saying,

I can't move and live away from my mom. So I'm just like, I think it's like different strokes for different folks. To me, I'm like, I understand it. If that's all you know and that's your security, by all means, but I'm like, depending upon what you're looking for in a partner, Craig's very aware that she's very codependent on her mom and he chose to stay.

I don't think he's looking for that. I think he accepted that because he realized after they were dating, like that's who she was. And I think next relationship Craig enters in, he'll make sure that that's not, I think that's something he put up with rather than enjoyed. And I definitely in general think it's a huge red flag. I think their relationship expanded a lot of the options

that he has and that he's gotten out of Charleston. How involved is your grandma in your relationship with Connor? I mean, I wouldn't say like involved, but yeah, if I have an issue, I would talk to my grandma before I would talk to like a friend. Of course, sure.

And like Natalie has her support system, obviously people she goes to, but the way Paige delivered it, and maybe I'm paraphrasing, obviously there's editing, so who knows? But she painted a picture that her mom's very involved in decisions that Paige makes, like very involved. You know. And there's a lot of people out there are in relationships that feel like they have a husband and or wife and they're

also kind of dating that person's parents. And they almost have to like make sure before they make major decisions that that person has to clear it with mom or dad. And that is like... You're number one dating ick? Yeah, I do feel like if Nick and I... That is like an absolute fucking no. And like it's also just not healthy. Like it might work for you and you might think it's okay, but that's not healthy. That's not a healthy relationship.

That is codependent. And that is like a weird, you're way too close to your mom and dad. Like could you imagine if like you and Connor are like, should we, I don't know, like maybe some like big life decision, I don't know, should we buy a beach house? I don't know, whatever. Is she helping?

And you're, no. But you're like, I can't, I need to talk, I just can't do this without my grandma. She has to approve of this. Like if every major decision you and Connor made, and he started feeling like you had to make sure you checked with grandma, and every decision you made seemed to always align with grandma no matter what

and that, like is that how it is? I take my grandma's opinion at very high value. I'm just a woman, I'm sorry. The reason why I'm still alive is because she's advised me. But if she was like, I don't think you should buy this beach house, but like you and Connor have already like gone through everything, you're financially stable, you can do it, would you be like, we can't do it? My grandma said no.

That's too far, but I'm like, yeah, if my grandma had concerns about it, I'd be like, what do you see? Oh, for sure, hero out. We love getting it done. Hero out, yeah. What do you see? But yeah, I wouldn't be like, oh, final decision is made.

But I think this is all coming from, was Paige was like, would you, she even gave the example of like, if there were two things you were choosing from and you wanted to do one, but your mom, what did you do the other? Would you do the other because your mom said so? And Craig was like, no, I'm 37 years old.

Absolutely not, I'm doing what I wanna do. And then Paige saying her mom's never been wrong, maybe, but that might be through rose-colored glasses. It may be her mom, if she's that connected with her mom, it just might be her mom like I don't know it might Revisionist history all I'm saying if pages success at this point is due to taking advice from her mom I'd take advice from her mom to yeah pages mom. Can you come? Give me some advice

In a relationship yuck, I Hear you. What did y'all think of the Danielle interrogating Lindsay about living with Turner? I'm like, girl, didn't you leave the show? It was like... Isn't Lindsay gonna, like, she's your best friend and you're the reason you're on this episode? There's that and it's just like, why is this your business? I'm like, I actually respect Lindsay being like, I want to keep things separate because listen, this happened, I'm happy about it,

but I don't feel the need to do everything by the book because what if in eight months from now, we move in with each other and the shit that happened with Carl last season, I don't need a repeat. Exactly. With the child involved. She was blinded by an engagement.

You think she's gonna like throw all of her eggs in one basket at six months? It's like, no. I kind of see her side though. You see Danielle's side? Kind of. I see Lindsay's side too. No, come on, come on.

I just kind of get the, I get Danielle's line being like, now we're making like pragmatic decisions, you know? It's like- Why not now? You already made one that was like a little bit jump the gun. So like, why not now take things a little slow? And she also has a kid to worry about now. Again, I get, I'm just saying sometimes we make decisions

because of the optics rather than what it actually does. And I'm just, I don't know. Would you feel the same if Lindsey got pregnant, had the baby, and she was like, well now we have to get married six months in? I think there's a difference between marriage and living together, especially when you have a kid. Marriage is a legal contract.

She just had to kick Carl out, who blindsided her, and with an engagement, she just got all, she just moved the last box out of. She did say he's over, like, every night of the week, so it's just like the whole, like, let's not get rid of our apartments, let's not make anything too permanent, because, like, what if you change your mind?

It's what we did in the beginning of our relationship. I'm just saying. Well, co-parenting though is a little bit different nowadays, so it's like if he's signing up for that, he knows what he's getting himself into. You guys are having a baby together, that's not going to change, but like, there may be a sense where like,

you shouldn't be together just because you're trying to make it work for the kid, like they're still getting to know each other. I kept my apartment in Georgia to not add extra pressure onto our relationship because we were already living. No, but I moved across the country for you. I mean, that's pretty big commitment. Sure. For me, a kid completely changes the equation, you know?

And there's something very permanent and very real about having a child together. And like that just, that changes the equation, you know? And now you both like have a kid to raise, and regardless of, what I do know about Lindsay and this man who I know nothing about is that for the next 18 years, those two are in each other's lives.

They're connected no matter what. Doesn't matter whether they get married or don't get married or move in or don't get married. Those two are in each other's lives. Carl, Lindsay, soon as this show ends, they may never speak to each other again. But when you have a kid, like there's, you take kind of practical decisions

a little bit out the window. I totally get where Lindsay's coming from. I'm not saying, I don't think she's making a bad decision, a wrong decision. I kind of get the criticism, I do, a little bit. Just a little bit. As a CEO, I can see what Nick and Danielle are saying. Well, no, well, she is a CEO,

so I feel like she does know how to make smart decisions. It was feeling just very not like girls girl. It was like interrogating in front of everybody. It was like, was weird energy. But did you guys see that Lindsay and Erin from Rony were hanging out together? I did. Mm-hmm.

I think it's all fam fair. I think they're just leaning in. I'm just happy that Sierra finally admitted that part of her and Wes was a little bit her fault. I don't know if she thinks she admitted that, but when she finally acknowledged that maybe her picker's a little off and that she goes after a certain kind of guy,

I was like, oh, finally she's taking a little bit of ownership in her feelings. I just thought it was hysterical when Paige said, I found him funny and I laughed, and then I told him if you tell Sierra I'll kill you I mean I will give West that he is funny. Wes is funny his whole thing the Brazzers thing was really funny and

when you're talking about Carl and his like not having sex for you. I mean you can't look at West Wilson and say husband material right now. Or boyfriend material. He at least used to recycle. He did, and he would wash out his, that's like. Do you guys do that? No.

I do. I keep the container. I do too. Free Tupperware. That's my lunch container for the next day. Yeah. Jesse and Lexi, which one should be running for the Hills? Or do we think that this is gonna work out for them? It's just not. God, I don't know, it's gonna crash and burn.

The crash out of this is gonna be incredible. Yeah. It is interesting to think though, the whole like, the jealousy comment. When you're a single, I mean, I guess I know I can speak for guys, I don't know how it is for the ladies, but when you're a single guy and you have women friends,

attractive women friends, but you're just friends, like you're cool, there's no like weird. Strictly platonic. Just friends, like commenting on your girlfriends who are just friends Instagram is this something that you think nothing of, and especially if you've been single for a while, you just don't think it's a big deal.

And then when you're in a relationship, completely opposite, you're just like, why would you comment on my girlfriend or boyfriend or husband or wife's like, stop being fucking weird. Yeah. And it's just kind of funny, because I remember being single for years and having friends who were women and just like,

yeah, just kind of fucking around and just like doing it for the plot or like having people online like react to do it and we're as two friends, we didn't give a fuck and we just, whatever. And so hearing Lexi like have, like she's so entitled to have a problem with this. Like you don't wanna be dating a guy

and having him like commenting on someone else's cans and you know, other, his other friends, other body parts and calling saying they're so beautiful and how sexy they are like you don't want to see that and like the fact that it's not clicking for him and he's just like what's the big deal I'm just like being my like just be my and his mind he's just like nothing you know like you're asking me to change I'm just being a friend of my friends yeah and to be fair they are not official he has a month to decide that's the part that's confusing because even the bottle service they had was like,

congrats, Jesse and Lexi, right? So I'm like, I feel like both of you guys aren't having a conversation. Wes did that as a joke. Yeah, that was a bit. But still, but I'm like, they're both like having conversations, but not having conversations at the same time.

That's the best kind of communication. Especially for reality TV. It's gonna crash and burn. Yeah. Also it looks like Sierra is gonna get involved. Well, that's not gonna go well. Yeah Also it looks like Sierra is gonna get involved. Well, that's not gonna go well. It looks like Jessie's gonna lay it on thick for fun

and it's gonna make Lexi very uncomfortable. Why would Sierra do that though? She admitted in this episode, she kind of like finds him goofy and like. But she also said she's not attracted to him. Well, yeah, but that's the thing. Why would she do it? She's not doing anything.

Jessie's the one coming in here being like, oh, you're so hot. Do you have a friend crush on me? Like, oh, I might have a friend crush on you. She's the thing. Why would she do- She's not doing anything. Jesse's the one coming here being like, oh, you're so hot. Do you have a friend crush on me? Like, oh, I might have a friend crush on you. She's into it. That's what I'm saying. She's playing into it, but so did Paige and everybody else. But they've been doing this for-

Amanda, who's married. Since they met each other, they've had this little bit. And so it's like, Jesse's the one, if he does end up wanting to commit to Lexi, then he should come to Sierra and be like, hey, love you, like still a homie, but like we gotta draw the line on the flirting. I'm not saying it's more her fault than his fault.

A lot of the times there are friends that you just like, that it's, you flirt with them. And that's like flirting. Sure. But when you start dating someone. Oh yeah, when you start dating someone, it's different. But then like Lexi and Jesse still aren't like. Fine, but like, yeah, they're in this weird period where like she can't get mad, but she's a human being.

Oh, she's totally... And she's liking this person and she has the right to feel a certain way. She totally deserves to be that. And while Jesse is far more responsible for that relation, well, Sierra's not responsible for it at all. No. But the fact that a year ago,

Sierra was in a very similar relationship, she was kind of dating someone in the house, you would think she would be able to empathize with Lexi more than anyone else, and the fact that she's the very person being the subject of Jesse's flirtiness, it's just like she, Jesse doesn't give a fuck. It's interesting.

All right, well, don't forget to tune in tomorrow. We have a very great episode of Going Deeper with Barbie Ferreira from Euphoria. She's got a great new movie coming out as well. That is a fantastic episode with Barbie. That is all tomorrow as well. And on Thursday, very excited, we have Jason Ritter returning with his wife for the first time, Melanie Linsky. They're coming together. Very excited about them talking about their new projects. They're big fans of reality TV.

I think they watch them housewives as well, maybe some other stuff. Even Jason's always come on talking about The Bachelor. So either way, they will definitely be a good time. That is on Thursday as well. Great week lined up for y'all. We love you. Thanks for listening.

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