The Viall Files - E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo

Starting point is 00:00:00 What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the VyLFiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick with my wife and we have a very special guest today. Victoria Fuller is with us. Yay! Yay! Look who came to visit. I am here.

Starting point is 00:00:34 Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. We love connecting with you. You're always on the go. We're always on the go. We're happy to find ourselves in the same place. We have a little pop-up here. A pop-up studio, yes. A pop-up. You're always on the go. We're always on the go. We're happy to find ourselves in the same place. We have a little pop-up here.

Starting point is 00:00:46 A pop-up studio, yes. A little pop-up. Like some would say like a coffee shop on wheels. You know, there's a food truck. Yeah, a food truck. We're kind of like all over the place. Now I like it. It looks really good.

Starting point is 00:00:57 You guys did an amazing job. What have you been up to? Oh. What's life? Right in there. She's been up to Pilates. She was in Jamaica. I was not in Jamaica. I was in the Bahamas.

Starting point is 00:01:08 Yes, of course. Why were you in the Bahamas? Oh, for vacation. Okay. To get some sun. Yeah. Do I look like I got bronzed? You do.

Starting point is 00:01:18 You have great color. Thank you. I was like, oh, my wife's real pale. No, I'm just kidding. I was waiting. Shots fired. I was waiting. It's fine. She's like, and, my wife's real pale. I'm just kidding. I was waiting. Shots fired. I was waiting. It's fine.

Starting point is 00:01:26 She's like, and we will be going to Jamaica. I feel like the giving shit is only allowed in one direction. Yeah. Yeah. No, I appreciate you giving me shit. You do. She's like, but not today.

Starting point is 00:01:38 Yeah, but not now. No. Yeah. She's like, I hate a dad. I'll let you know when I'm ready. I will let you know and I'll tell you. Yes, you were with the pigs. I was, Exuma.

Starting point is 00:01:49 Yeah. Do you feel like they, like PETA should be called? No, they're the opposite. They're thriving. I think they're thriving. Well, also they're wild pigs. So they're- But they're nice to people. Well, I guess they're not.

Starting point is 00:02:02 They also made an appearance on Ben Higgins season. They went to the Bahamas. Oh. And they played on one. I was like, who? One of the group dates was with playing with these famous. The famous pigs. Onk-onks. Yeah, so there's 200 wild pigs and they live on an island,

Starting point is 00:02:16 well, multiple islands, but yeah, it was really cool. And no, we should not be calling PETA, they're wild pigs. I didn't know. But they leave water for them. It was like a tourist. No, no, they live there. Do you pay to go see them? Well, you pay a charter, of course.

Starting point is 00:02:33 So you do have to pay a fee. To get on a boat. To get on a boat. To go there. And go to Exuma. Okay. Yeah. Then that's a separate island?

Starting point is 00:02:41 From Nassau, yeah. Okay. So we flew into Nassau, which is where like Bahamar, no shout outs, no freebies, but that's like a really cool resort there. And yeah, we just hung out. It was my friend's birthday and we gambled. Did you win anything?

Starting point is 00:02:58 What's your game? I didn't, well, my game was more like spend other people's money. Yes, of course. Yeah. So I was just sitting back. Is it like blow on the dice and wish people luck? Yes.

Starting point is 00:03:07 That's your game? Yes. And then they'd be like, oh, what color? And I'm like, what are we choosing from? My favorite color is pink. Yeah. They're like, that's not a choice. They're like, that's actually not.

Starting point is 00:03:18 Yeah. It's like a black or red situation. Yes, yes. So I did figure that out pretty quickly considering. Did anyone like split their winnings with you? No, they did not, unfortunately. But I did figure that out pretty quickly considering. Did anyone like split their winnings with you? No, they did not, unfortunately. But I didn't get a couple free drinks. Oh.

Starting point is 00:03:30 Oh. I felt like you could do that without the gambling. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So here we are. Yes, of course. Yeah. Well, we have a great week lined up for you.

Starting point is 00:03:43 Obviously, our world's been a little crazy, so we've had to mix things up. It's a very special week. We are actually, though, gonna have a reality recap tomorrow, which is usually our going deepers, but Thursday is actually gonna be a going deeper, and I'm not gonna say with whom it's gonna be with. Yeah, I think we just wait.

Starting point is 00:04:02 Every time we put it out there, some crazy shit happens, but it's gonna be epic, and I feel like it's gonna be with. Because every time we put it out there, some crazy shit happens. But it's gonna be epic, and I feel like it's gonna serve a need that a lot of people are asking for. A lot of people were hoping it would happen, and we were told it wasn't gonna happen, so now and I stepped up. And we made it happen.

Starting point is 00:04:17 And we made it happen. So that's what we will say. That's gonna be Thursday, and it's gonna be epic, it's gonna be fun, and I can't wait. It's gonna be messy, and it's gonna be a lot. It's gonna be a lot I can't wait. It's gonna be messy. It's gonna be a lot. It's gonna be a lot, lot. This is very vague, but I'm so excited. I can't wait to find out.

Starting point is 00:04:30 Well, we told you. Yes, I know. I'm just pretending. No, I know, but what do you think? She was acting. I was acting, how'd I do? No, I think it's really exciting. I think people are really gonna love it.

Starting point is 00:04:39 It's gonna be a lot of fun. Speaking of acting, I heard a rumor. Acting, acting. She's, I heard a rumor. Oh! Oh, acting. Acting. Acting. She's been cast in a film. Well, that's just, that's, that's, that's me throwing a little shade at myself.

Starting point is 00:04:54 Oh, yeah, because you are an actor. I have been paid. Yes, to act. A Christmas cruise. It's a Christmas cruise starring Vivica Fox. Wait, what? Oh my God. Can we, Mary, can you show Victoria?

Starting point is 00:05:06 Is this a Hallmark? Can you show Victoria? Well, I mean, like, it was like Hallmark-esque, like, but it wasn't like- It was like the knockoff version. It was like the minor leagues of Hallmark. That's okay. Ohan, Ion, Ion, Ion, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:05:18 It's very cool. What channel was it? Ion, I know what you're talking about. Ion, Ion, yeah, yeah. It was there for, It was their Christmas channel. Mary, can you bring up the movie poster for Christmas Cruise starring Vivica A. Fox and- And Nick Fial.

Starting point is 00:05:33 Nick Fial. I am in the poster board. No, you're not. Yeah, it was like right after The Bachelor, so like they, I played Bob the whole time. Thank you very much. Wow. I had two scenes. I'm married to an actor. You had two scenes, but you were in the poster. I'm married write Bob the whole time. Thank you very much. Wow. I had two scenes.

Starting point is 00:05:45 I'm married to an actor. You had two scenes. You were on the post. I'm married to an actor. I've never seen it. Oh, you're scared. Yeah. Let's watch it together.

Starting point is 00:05:53 I don't watch my work. Put it on the big screen right now. Yeah. That's very cool. I'm sure we could get through it pretty quick. I, so anyways, back to this rumor I heard. I heard a rumor that before the Bachelorette was put on pause that you were on an extraordinarily short list

Starting point is 00:06:12 of people who were being considered as the next Bachelorette for the ABC franchise. Excuse you what? Excuse you what? Do you feel like that's how you delivered it? No, I was like, excuse you what? That's what it was. It was more aggressive.

Starting point is 00:06:29 Give us, can I get the iconic excuse you what? That was it? Like a real pure, just. What did he say first? He said, excuse me? And I said, excuse you what? I got chills. Period.

Starting point is 00:06:42 That was so good. Is there any truth to this rumor? I heard, and if I can be clear, I heard it from few people, but you know, sometimes rumors aren't true. Yeah. I cannot confirm or deny. No, I can confirm.

Starting point is 00:06:56 Yes, I'll confirm. And thank God. I'm, when I heard that rumor, and I heard this rumor after it was put on pause, I also heard that there, you know, that short list were some of your usual suspects of people you might suspect. I was furious.

Starting point is 00:07:10 I was furious because I thought that would be an epic decision. They maybe have some good options. There were some other, you know, people that people have been calling for. But Peter's season was one of the more iconic seasons. We haven't had, I don't remember the last time we called a Batchelor or a Bachelorette season iconic. You're an iconic character.

Starting point is 00:07:31 Oh, I'm not a character, I'm a person. Well, you know. Well, add your character. Have you ever watched it back and been like, I don't know who that bitch is? Yeah, all the time. Like when I see clips and stuff, I'm like, oh, who is she? That's so interesting.

Starting point is 00:07:44 Yeah, but I don't know if you're on the top of the list or you never know because they will talk about you Like when I see clips and stuff, I'm like, oh, who is she? That's so interesting. But yeah. But I don't know if you're on the top of the list or you never know because they will talk to another people or where you fell in. But so there were at least some conversations. There was rumblings around. There was rumblings. I'm so upset.

Starting point is 00:07:59 I know. I think you would have been fantastic. Thank you, Nick. You would have been, they need to bring back some people from that era. Yeah, I agree. Because we have like a cult following, if you will. Like people definitely knew like specific lines that we said or specific like dates that we went on. And I think that that would have, we'll see what happens in the future. I think it would have pulled older fans back into it. I just want you to know that ever since I've heard

Starting point is 00:08:26 this rumor, I have been trying to do my part. It's due diligence. For anyone that I think could be involved in this decision, I've been saying, y'all fucked up and you should have just picked Victoria, don't overthink this. Thank you. She would be excellent.

Starting point is 00:08:43 It would be dramatic. And it would be an entire season of promos being like, excuse you what? No, literally. And I think the thing with that is like, I think when I first was considering this, it was very much like, I didn't think it was for me. I was like, I don't think I can go back to that.

Starting point is 00:09:02 So it took me like a minute to adjust to the idea of like possibly even doing it. And then after like a week, I was like, okay, maybe I'll consider and I'll have more conversation around it. And then that's when they put everything on pause is what I like finally consider. Oh my God, she's not gonna do it. She's not gonna do it. We have to cancel.

Starting point is 00:09:18 The whole season's canceled. Everything's done. So we don't have Victoria, we have nothing. Yes. And so, and just to be clear, because obviously people run with rumors, you were never actually asked or anything like that. No, no, there was just-

Starting point is 00:09:31 There were just rumblings, conversations. Yes, conversations were- Are you interested if we go this direction type of stuff? But I'm sure other people were being talked to as well. Oh, absolutely. So we don't wanna put you in a position where you're claiming that it was like a done. Because we've heard all these different things

Starting point is 00:09:45 like, oh, so and so was asked and blah, blah, blah, or, you know, yada, yada. No, and I think that they, from my experience, they ask multiple people and then you kind of go through another interview process. And so again, like you said, it was probably narrowed down to a shorter list. And maybe or maybe not, I was on that list.

Starting point is 00:10:06 I think you were on a very, very short list of three. Of two. That's what I heard. Of two. Wait, really? One. Three? I think three.

Starting point is 00:10:14 Yeah, I could see that. And I mean, people obviously will probably deduct to whoever else they think it was. Yeah, it's pretty easy to guess. Yeah, it is. But yeah, no, it was very endearing that they still thought five years later to call me and say, hey, how do you feel about this? And I'm like, well, first I get I'm like, what the fuck do they want? I'm like, oh, oh, no.

Starting point is 00:10:37 I'm like, hello. I'm like kind of scared to answer the phone. I'm like, what do you want? First, I like I didn't answer. I just texted him like, hey, what's up? I'm busy right now, but can you wanna do this over text? Do you wanna just text about it or what's going on? But no, they all are great over there. And by all you mean, who do you know

Starting point is 00:10:56 who's left working there? Cause everyone's been either fired or quit or let go. It's crazy, it's like when I was first on the show, one of the producers is now an executive producer there. Yeah, it's- It is weird. It's a, there's a lot going on there. Can you imagine when they got to Hometowns

Starting point is 00:11:14 and then have been like, Hometowns, it'll be Victoria's first. Stop. Congratulations. Like you didn't show up. Yeah. No, your family showed up. No, my family was definitely there.

Starting point is 00:11:29 They showed up. I excused Peter from hometown. It's like, actually this isn't gonna happen. So you just walked back inside being like, hey guys. Did you actually talk to your family that night, like after, cause like when we watched it, it looked like you were just like,

Starting point is 00:11:41 I'm not fucking doing this. And like, this is stupid. And you like walked off and it made it seem like your family was like, where's our kid? Yeah, like where's our daughter? Is she okay out there? And they're just like talking and waiting. No, I mean, they actually all came outside

Starting point is 00:11:55 because they finally allowed them to come outside and see what was happening. And I was just like sobbing because I mean, we all know what happened and anybody would feel really weird in that situation. Remind us. Do I have to? It was a long time ago.

Starting point is 00:12:11 Five years, of course. Let me go back into my memory bank. I love relieving trauma. Yeah, thank you. Yes, we love a good timeline. We love a good timeline. Oh my God. We have that saved on our soundboard.

Starting point is 00:12:24 But no, they ended up coming outside and, you know, consoling me because that was a really weird thing that happened. Why didn't you go? Peter was questioning your integrity. Yes, he was. He was questioning my integrity. And anyways, he was not gonna meet my family that night.

Starting point is 00:12:40 That's for sure. So, or ever. Send him off on his way. Well, since we're on the topic, we now know that Grant is engaged to Juliana. So congratulations to the happy couple. Yay! Thoughts and prayers for Latia. Also thoughts and prayers for Juliana and Grant as they do watch back everything that Grant said to Latia.

Starting point is 00:13:04 Cause I thought she was very like her way of being like you're gonna have to have some tough conversations with the things that you said to me. Yeah. It'll be interesting we are recording this before AFR we've seen the finale but we haven't seen the live AFR so we don't know what Latia said last night for those of you who watched we're not familiar with what happened you know whatever confrontation we'll obviously talk about that tomorrow. I will say I thought Grant did an those of you who watched, were not familiar with what happened, whatever confrontation. We'll obviously talk about that tomorrow. I will say, I thought Grant did an excellent job. As someone who knows the position he was in,

Starting point is 00:13:32 and Grant is someone who is very green. You can tell he didn't even make it, like yourself, didn't make it to hometowns for different reasons. Oh, I made it to home, yes. No, you made, yes, I'm sorry, I don't wanna, like. Hello. Grant didn't even make it to hometowns, you opted out.

Starting point is 00:13:46 Yes, I opted out. Grant wasn't even given the choice to not go. Poor guy. To his hometowns. So he was obviously under the direction, clearly of the show and the producers. And to me, it's obvious that he is following a lot of other people's leads and trusting a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:14:03 Right. Listen, like the bachelor, the bachelorettes, they are accountable for their choices, yada, yada, yada, but like he- I know. It's the saying I love you and then the breaking up part. My only note to Grant is like, maybe don't kiss her twice or constantly say,

Starting point is 00:14:19 but I love you. Like in general, people just like PSA for the world, if you're gonna break up with someone, do not say things like, but I still love you and I still care about you. But not just be the bad guy. Be the bad guy, let them be mad. Other than that though, I thought Grant was like,

Starting point is 00:14:38 when he was like, you know what, you're right, I'm gonna own, like he just, he knew he was gonna take it on the chin. I thought he did the best he could. He's clearly a guy who's very respectful and like did his best. And also, I think he was forced to wait as long as he did and I think he was told to say things that led on Latia

Starting point is 00:14:58 and he's in a bad spot. Totally get where Latia's coming from. I don't know what she said last night. You know, she basically made it seem like she was gonna come in with a lot of like. Receipts. Receipts where like, well, you have a lot of explaining to do, my guess is, is that like,

Starting point is 00:15:14 it's really not that big of a deal. Yeah. I literally, as someone who's been in her position twice, knows exactly what she's going through. I'm sure she spent every day from the time Grant broke up with her to last night thinking about all the things Grant said to her that felt fucked up, that felt like she was led on, misled.

Starting point is 00:15:30 And I have no doubt that she's justified to feel that way, but I don't think he did anything really egregious. We already know nothing happened in the fantasy suite because Latia's just like, no, I'm good. Well, we- Assume. But I don't because Latia's is like, now I'm good. Well, we assume. But I don't think Latia's, I'm guessing Latia's not gonna come out and be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:51 I don't think she's gonna be stupid as me. Yes, you're an idiot. Yeah, so there's that. Throwback, throwback, TBG. How do you feel about that, Natalie? Woo. Don't think you need to do that. So, also must suck to be in her position

Starting point is 00:16:07 because like, if you have a broken heart, you at least want the world to see and I just don't know if a lot of people watch, you know, this season. Oh, they didn't? I don't think it's a highly performing season. Oh. Well, I don't think the past couple have been very great.

Starting point is 00:16:22 The past couple have been. Well, and also... Well, since Peters, you know? Well, of course. But they had a nice bump with Joey, and then... Yeah, I would say Joey's did well. But I just, yeah, I don't know if I, even watching it as a viewer,

Starting point is 00:16:37 and I know the position she's sort of in, I don't know, all of, I think that breakup was just really strange to me from both parties. I think you could just really tell that she was blindsided as fuck. Oh yeah. Yeah, but also, I don't know, I just. Like she was, I mean, they were pumping her full

Starting point is 00:16:58 of confidence the night before. Yeah, of course. They're like, it's you, it's you, babe. It's totally you, you have nothing to worry about. It's totally you. It's you, you could not do that. And then they make her, oh yeah. And then they make you like, she's doing B-roll, it's you, it's you, babe. It's totally you, you have nothing to worry about. It's you, good night. Do that. Oh yeah, and then they make you like,

Starting point is 00:17:07 she's doing B-roll, she's like walking through the rain and she can barely move her little feet. I was like, oh, she's like walking to her death. No, when they, I guarantee you, when she woke up that day, the first producer to greet her said, you're getting engaged today. Oh, for sure.

Starting point is 00:17:22 Guaranteed. Yeah, definitely. They deserve prison. Oh no, they do. No, Pearl. They're gonna make a TV show. Well, for sure. Guaranteed. Yeah, definitely. Guaranteed. They deserve prison. Oh no, they do. They're gonna make a TV show. Well, and that's a thing. That's not making a TV show. They don't need to say that to make a TV show.

Starting point is 00:17:32 I know, but it makes for good TV when you have like a lead who's going to follow whatever you say. And so they probably encouraged him to tell her like, I love you and I love you. And I think that's where you kind of have to, when you're in your position where you have to be like, no, I'm not gonna say that.

Starting point is 00:17:52 It's also another thing they do say, which is true, right? Like if the lead's having a lot of reluctance, especially if it's the bachelor, and when it's the bachelor, they basically will ask the lead the fall on the sword. Because if the lead's feeling bad, they're like, I'm feeling bad, they're like, listen, I know this feels shitty.

Starting point is 00:18:09 They kind of said the same thing to Caitlin when I was in Latia's shoes, but it's like the best moment anyone has is when they get broken up with, and when America feels sorry for them. So they will convince the lead to follow through by saying like, listen, and they're not wrong. I mean, there's a lot of truth to the statement

Starting point is 00:18:27 by saying, it's gonna feel shitty and yeah, it's gonna, I know you're doing a shitty thing, but you're gonna give her this moment. You know, and- You're gonna give us this moment to give to her. There is a lot of truth to that because like, this is, again, we don't know what America's saying. We don't know how many people watched last night.

Starting point is 00:18:43 We don't know what she said at AFR, but the only thing we are anticipating in the AFR is what was Latia gonna say. And she now was given this moment to be a star. When she got in the limo, she was like, gave that your, she gave us a little audition. It's not, I'm still looking for it, maybe I'll find it someday. Yeah, I know, I'm still looking for it. Maybe I'll find it someday.

Starting point is 00:19:05 Yeah, I know, I heard that. I was like, oh, there we go. Do you think they give them that to say? If they don't send in their own. Yeah, they do. And like, little BTS, but they'll like drive around with you until you like get it right.

Starting point is 00:19:20 Yeah, like you'll be driving around and they're like, better cry more. Or like, that sounds like- And if you do need more tears, they do have Visine in the car. No. That's true. Oh yeah, ruthless. That sounds like the severance,

Starting point is 00:19:34 what they do in severance and they make you write the thing over and over again. Yeah, until you're really sorry. Are you watching severance? Yeah, I am. Did you finish? No, I'm not finished yet. I know I'm like not caught up on anything. Where, what have you been doing?

Starting point is 00:19:47 Living my life. I don't just watch TV all day, thank you very much. Can you ear muffed for a second? Oh my gosh, I can't ear muffs because I have to, should I take them off? Okay. I just want to like, just for the people who did watch. I found the ending of Severance very-

Starting point is 00:20:01 You have to talk quieter. Okay, sorry. He's screaming. Did you find the ending of Severance very... You have to talk quieter. Okay, sorry. He's screaming. Did you find the ending satisfying, disappointing or? It left me excited for the next season. I would agree. At first I was a bit frustrated that... Are you, can you hear me?

Starting point is 00:20:19 I have to hum ourself. I was a bit frustrated about at first because like Innie was like, oh, I'm not gonna go anywhere. But at least she got out. Yeah, that's why I'm excited. Was very satisfying. It makes me excited for the next.

Starting point is 00:20:34 Had she not gone, because we need a season three. Anyone complaining about the end, then like, did you want this to be a season? And what do you really think about Victoria? Yeah. Do you like her? I don't know, sometimes she's a lot. Oh, yeah, we're done, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're done.

Starting point is 00:20:46 Fuck. Is that about Light Lotus? No. Severance. Okay. Do you just wanna watch them tonight and come back tomorrow? Yeah, I would love to do that actually. Okay.

Starting point is 00:20:55 Okay, good. All right, Victoria's gonna be our guest tomorrow for Reality Recap. And I'm back, baby. I'm never leaving. Great, all right, well. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I guess we could talk about this tomorrow, but since we are on the topic of Severance and White Lotus,

Starting point is 00:21:07 did you see that Jennifer Coolidge gives spicy update on how White Lotus changed her sex life? She said, these men like you better because they feel like you went through something. That show really upped my game. Do they think that she like actually died? And they're like, oh my God. These gays, trying to murder me.

Starting point is 00:21:24 They're trying to murder me. Trying to murder me. Wow, that's not crazy. Period says pop off. I would love to know just like what her DMs look like. How low, how young do you think she goes? 20s, for sure. Barely legal. Barely legal.

Starting point is 00:21:39 22. As she should. As she should. I love that for her. I would love to know her roster. We love an older man. Like who's her Everest? We also do love an older man. Maybe she's going older.

Starting point is 00:21:52 And I love that for her even more. Speaking of age gaps, when we announced our relationship, I was a bit nervous. Like I was like, oh God. Just unbelief. Like I just was imagining all the names that maybe thrown my direction.

Starting point is 00:22:08 Like what? What about my direction? You weren't thinking of that? He was not thinking about you during that time. You weren't thinking of child bride because that was really stuck with me. Yeah, well, try to comment that on our Instagram now. You won't be able to.

Starting point is 00:22:23 Because he has blocked those words. Period. For my mental health. Thank you very much. Recently or yesterday, Tiger Woods announced his new girlfriend. Wonderful. Yeah. I actually saw that on my timeline, not Facebook timeline.

Starting point is 00:22:41 What is it? You're going to feed? Feed, feed, feed. You're on Facebook? No, I'm not. But the only thing I could see really was like the receding hairline. On her or him? On him.

Starting point is 00:22:51 Oh. I have a feed. I was shocked. I was like, I don't care who he's dating, why is he going bald? I was like, don't care. I was like, we need plugs. You have so much money.

Starting point is 00:22:58 You have so much money. What are we doing? You need to go to Turkey. Get a wig. Something. A wig is nuts. Don't those guys go to Turkey because it's like less expensive?

Starting point is 00:23:06 No, apparently it's like really good for them. Like, I don't know. Like I think in Turkey they really master the procedure. Here they don't really. It's not just like a Groupon thing? No, they do a really good job. I had a friend that went over there. It does seem odd that with all the money he has.

Starting point is 00:23:20 And he still has a receding hairline. Anyways, back to who he's dating. Anyway, who is he? He's dating a- Vanessa Trump. I don't even know if we're allowed to say that word because it's triggering for some people. Very bad word.

Starting point is 00:23:31 But she's not an actual, she was just married. She was married to his son. Which one? It doesn't matter. I like my suitcase. So she kept a name though? I mean, I guess she was like, that's better than Smith. She was like, period. She's like, Trump, baby. like, that's better than Smith.

Starting point is 00:23:45 She's like Trump, baby. She said it's better than Smith. Yep. Is she like in the fam? She is the ex daughter-in-law. I doubt she is still in the fam. I don't think she's still invited to, she is not invited to family dinners.

Starting point is 00:23:59 She's not going to Thanksgiving. Cause Tiger Woods, kind of like, don't you want Tiger Woods going to your dinner party? What if he's like a fan? Oh. What if, I mean, cause Tiger Woods, kind of like, you know, don't you want Tiger Woods going to your dinner party? What if he's like a fan? Oh. What if he's, is he? Woods was at the inauguration. Oh.

Starting point is 00:24:11 He got like there. It's an off, it's a family affair. They say in there. It's a family affair. Yeah, maybe he will be there for Thanksgiving. Does new girlfriend have kids with the son? Honey, you're asking questions about people that I know absolutely nothing about.

Starting point is 00:24:24 Gotcha, all right. Moving on. No, not a clue. I could not tell you honestly what her hair color even is. It was blonde. Oh, okay. But I barely noticed with the receding light. You're still stuck on that. I'm stuck on it.

Starting point is 00:24:38 We won't get past it. Jennifer Aniston and Pedro Pascual spark romance rumors with three hour dinner. Can't two people eat dinner? Wait, what? Repeat. Jennifer Aniston and Pedro Pascal spark romance rumors with three hour dinner.

Starting point is 00:24:53 I mean, the people out here are just. Maybe they're gonna be in a new film. He's got a new film called The Mentalist coming out. Speaking of being an actor, I auditioned for that role. I auditioned to play his brother. Oh my gosh. And I was reading lines with him. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:07 Yeah. We didn't get it. He didn't get it. He did not get it. I was honestly a little like, I was like. What was the audition process? Most audition process nowadays, you just like, you film, you don't even go in.

Starting point is 00:25:18 It's like post COVID, they're just like, you know what, just send something in. Yeah, like a video. I was shocked that I got an audition. It was like, I forget the apologies to the director and writer, but she is a legit person. Like award, like, and I was in, and obviously Pedro Pascual and like,

Starting point is 00:25:34 Jessica Johnson's in it, like it's star-studded. Wait, the new, oh my gosh, yes. It's kind of like a dating, like she's like a- Isn't Channing in it or something? Chris Evans or, oh Chris? Yeah, Chris Evans is in it. Chris Evans, Chris Evans, yeah. Anyways, I auditioned to play Pedro Pascual's brother.

Starting point is 00:25:48 Wow, they do look a lot alike. I literally, and I was like, cause sometimes when I get auditions, I'm always like, and if the show, we're busy here, I got a lot of things going on, I'm just like, dude, should I audition? Like, I got shit to do. You're like, I have so much to do.

Starting point is 00:26:03 And anyways, we did, they were like, I was like, did they shit to do. I have so much to do. And anyways, we did, you know, they were like, I was like, did they, I literally called my manager, like, they know who I am, right? Like, not in like a, they know who I am. No, but in like, are they sure? Are they sure? Yeah. This is like a real movie.

Starting point is 00:26:16 This wasn't, you know, it's not Christmas Cruise. I was about to say, but he did book the Christmas Cruise. I did book it. And he did, and he was a star. And you also had to kiss a man in something else, didn't you? Oh, I did. Way to call him out.

Starting point is 00:26:28 Well, it was an acting. No, I'm not ashamed, I was acting. He was acting. And you were acting. I'm not ashamed of you. No, you shouldn't be. It was called The Coop. The Coop, what is that?

Starting point is 00:26:37 I played like a hot, like. A hot? Self-proclaimed. I know, I'm like. I was like, I was. Why is that the first thing you were using? I played hot, sexy, amazing, smart. I was the hot. Self-proclaimed. I know, I'm like. I was like, I was. Why is that the first thing you were using? I played hot, sexy, amazing, smart. I was the hot, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:26:49 I was the house hottie that was a little dumb and stupid. My sexuality was yes. Okay. As in. You're fluid. I'm, I'm, do you wanna have sex? Yes. Oh.

Starting point is 00:27:00 That was, you know, and so in this character. And how did you get ready for this role? Oh, and you want to know? So I have, I can show you when we get done. I have the scene of my show. Please don't. It was the guy who, you ever seen the movie Project X? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:13 The troublemaker friend. Okay. That's the guy I kissed. Oh, that's a good one to kiss. And then on the couch next to us doing the scene was the sister in Severance. Oh, Devin. Oh, interesting. So you are Hollywood.

Starting point is 00:27:28 I'm no like a little, yeah. You're literally Hollywood. You married an actor. No, I'm aware. The Coop. The Coop. Are you in that poster? Buster's in it too.

Starting point is 00:27:39 Is that Nick at the bottom? No, it's not. That's me. Did they Photoshop you in? We definitely did not take that photo together. Yeah, that's, it was low-budge. What if they took that photo together and then they're like,

Starting point is 00:27:49 and then we will put him down there. That actually probably might've happened. Honestly, you are, you're an actor. I'm really, we need to watch your films. I think we should have a weekend where we just watch all of Nick's films. I didn't even know you can find that a movie night.

Starting point is 00:28:04 Because that was like made for like some kind of like app streaming TV show. How old were you? I don't know, like 2018 maybe, 2019. He's like, he was like last year. My podcast existed when I did that. So it was after 2019, 2020 maybe. Okay, got it.

Starting point is 00:28:17 Pre-COVID. Very cool. Interesting. I didn't know I was in the room with a star. Oh. Literally. No. There are a few things in this world

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Starting point is 00:30:14 Did you know, first of all, did you know that this episode was called Arrested Development? I do now, because I saw it, which is kind of great. Can they take that? It is a term. I understand it's the title of a very famous good show, but it's like saying,

Starting point is 00:30:25 can you take the word friends? Okay, okay, that was a good analogy, fine. I'm sold. Good to know. Moving on. Yeah, so we can still use the word friends and Arrested Development. It's a bit of a dig to their cast.

Starting point is 00:30:38 How? Well, do you know what Arrested Development means? Let's not do this. Let's get the- Mary, definition please. I've got it. A stoppage or failure in the normal progression of physical or mental development.

Starting point is 00:30:50 Oh. Like it's suggesting that like Shep, possibly Craig, possibly Austin. It's like Peter Pan syndrome. It just named the cast, it didn't say Shep or Craig. Well, Shep, Austin and Craig are the stars obviously, I mean, let's not pretend they're not

Starting point is 00:31:05 the main focus of the show. They really were. It was like five episodes of The Bahamas. And they are all 40-year-old men who, for various reasons, are like, Shep has hats in his living room. Like, it looks like a college dorm. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:20 The main thing I took from this episode is that when they're forced to throw a party for an episode, I don't wanna go. No, I do not wanna go. It looks so boring. Manufacturing reality TV parties are brutal. I hate that because like the final episode, you can tell that they were forced to do this,

Starting point is 00:31:37 like everyone get together, it's the final episode. Black tie. And it's boring. I was like, is there even music? Everyone's just like small talking. No you know there's no music because they can't have music because they're filming. So they're just talking. I just really appreciated Miss Pat when she just got there and walked straight inside and was like it's too hot for this. Yes she walked straight inside. Isn't she a producer on the show? Yes her and Whitney. Then why would she interrupt an argument

Starting point is 00:32:03 to say goodbye to her? Cause she don't give a fuck. She needs that camera time. There's like producers and then there's like, you know. Yeah, she's like, I'm out. Don't care. But it's like, she's like knock knock. She clearly isn't there to like keep the drama ensuing.

Starting point is 00:32:17 No. She was like, I have to say my goodbyes to my friends. My young friends. Yeah, she's like, bye. They're like arguing. But that place did look empty and not fun and also a place I don't wanna go. How do you guys feel about, this is my podcast now,

Starting point is 00:32:33 how do you feel about the whole JT drama? You're allowed to ask questions. Okay, good. This is a conversation. I think he said something fucked up and he is like really trying to. He's finding, he's trying to figure out what word best goes with the word black.

Starting point is 00:32:51 Okay. He's like, I said a cute black girl, woman, a woman. I called you, that's what I said. And then it's like all of you just, why'd you just describe her at all? Like, why couldn't you just say like, there's this- Great person. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:07 Her name's Venita. Right. He was getting like too descriptive with it. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that whole situation. Do you like him? No, it's not that I like him.

Starting point is 00:33:17 I just don't know if they're like making reality TV or if he actually did something because she continues to stand up for him. So that's why I'm like, wait, are the producers just making this whole thing a thing? Or is it that he's a shitty person? I can't tell. We had her on a couple weeks ago post-filming

Starting point is 00:33:38 and she was less team. Team JT. At that point. Okay. She wasn't like, oh, he's a horrible person and you know. Yeah. Like it wasn't like a complete like 180, but she was seem less Team JT.

Starting point is 00:33:52 Also like at the end of this episode, they kind of gave us like, cause it was a season finale. Like first they, they, according to the show, they started dating and I'm like, well wait, didn't he say he had a girlfriend? So like, was he dating this girl when he allegedly had a girlfriend? So like, was he dating this girl when he allegedly had a girlfriend?

Starting point is 00:34:07 Whose side are you on, Taylor or Sally's? This is, I love Sally because I know her personally. And so Sally and I, we have mutuals, but also she came on for like five minutes on Bachelor in Paradise and- In three minutes on Clayton's season on The Bachelor. And in those five minutes that she was on, we talked for about two and a half.

Starting point is 00:34:31 Oh, so. Her and I- You got to know her real well. Yes, very well. No, but I really like her and we kind of just keep in contact through social. So I really like her. I also, I just feel like girl drama is just,

Starting point is 00:34:43 I don't take a side. I just like Sally and I know her personally. You think they're just trying, they just feel like girl drama is just, I don't take a side. I just like Sally, and I know her personally. You think they're just trying to, they're just like... I just, I can, yeah, I just think it's like stupid. It's like, ugh. I mean, it definitely is stupid, I think. I will say the stuff in the beginning, where it was like Sally was really coming after Taylor

Starting point is 00:34:58 and Gaston, and it was like, you're in a relationship, like, and Taylor came on here and she kind of explained, like, I was coming back into the season to mend my relationships with these women because of last season with the whole Olivia and Austin thing. And it was like, Sally took that opportunity to get closer to the women by also piling on to Taylor. Is how Taylor felt.

Starting point is 00:35:22 I imagine it was more like the producers were like, that's a great plan, Taylor. But we're gonna bring in Sally, she's gonna start some shit with you. I'm glad that you want to like men fences, but we're- But that's not gonna happen here, babe. We just like not good for the girl. Yeah, and I can see that now.

Starting point is 00:35:37 It's like once you see it, you're like, well, we know why Sally was brought in. Did you think that Shep was gonna pull away from that kiss that they kept teasing all episode towards the end? Okay, can we talk about that? Cause I'm a huge Southern Charm fan. Like I've watched since day one. And I, yeah period by the way.

Starting point is 00:35:59 So I feel like I like know them in a sense, even though I don't know them. And I feel like he he wasn't into it. Well, body language wise. The way they kept teasing it, it was showing that he might be like, oh, because taken by surprise, he wasn't, he was looking away.

Starting point is 00:36:16 She kind of grabbed him and pulled him in. It all, everyone was watching. But we've seen Shep over seasons, and you can tell when he's really into somebody. And so when she went in for like the, yes. As a guy, like if you're not, you're not doing the 90, like the hitch 90, you know? Like he was kind of back.

Starting point is 00:36:35 I agree. Well, if anyone, but if grabbed my face, Yeah. My reaction would be like, I. You're saying the man has to be like 90% leaned in. It's like the hitch thing where it's like. Yeah, if I'm going 10 and someone grabs my face to bring me in, I don't like that.

Starting point is 00:36:52 Because you say that we have to go 50-50. Well, you are married. With our chores. No, no, in bed when I say can I have a kiss and you're like, oh, go right over here. That's when I'm being lazy. That's when I'm being so fucking lazy, yeah. Yeah, that's when he's being lazy. That's not I'm being so fucking lazy. Yeah. That's when he's being lazy.

Starting point is 00:37:05 That's not what he does when he's on dates with other girls. Yeah. But I don't know if a kiss is coming. When he's in bed with his wife across the king mattress. When my wife's like, kiss goodnight, I'm like, well do your part. Meet me halfway. I'm like, you said men go 90.

Starting point is 00:37:22 Does not apply to you. Absolutely. You are his wife. That's a 20 minute argument before bed. Yikes. If you wanna know what our, what do they call it? Our pillow talk is. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:34 It's me being really angry. It's like, no, fine, I'll go 85. She's like, ugh. Did you think that Austin being like, Sally, show us your boobs. Show us your tits. Having a girlfriend at home. I, you know, if I was the girlfriend, I wouldn't be super excited about that.

Starting point is 00:37:52 Oh, 100%. Yeah. I wouldn't be super pumped on it, but I think it was more playful than it was like, I want to see your boobs. Yeah. I don't think. Show me right now. It definitely was in a playful way.

Starting point is 00:38:02 Of course. But I do feel like him knowing he's mic'd, him knowing he's being filmed, him with a bunch of other people. No, it's crazy. Listen, me, when I flirt, it's playful as fuck. Yeah. But like, I'm married now.

Starting point is 00:38:16 Yeah, was it boobs or tits? It was tits, I think. He said tits. It was like, show us your tits. Which is like- That's more grass. Well, but it's also like a saying people say. You know? Show us your tits. I like tits. Show us your tits, which is like. That's more grass. Well, but it's also like a saying people say, you know. Show us your tits.

Starting point is 00:38:27 I like tits. Show us your tits. I think it's like funny, but I have very crude humor. So maybe other people don't think it's so funny. And I don't know if Sally did. And I did not think she, well, I think towards the end, she was kind of like, oh, it was a joke. It's not that big of a deal.

Starting point is 00:38:43 But I mean, I don't think that that was that bad. I actually did think it was bad because he has his girlfriend at home and like- No, it's not nice to her. He's pookielicious. Yeah, pookielicious. Pookie platymosome or whatever the fuck they call each other.

Starting point is 00:38:54 Yeah, that's crazy. How do we feel finding out that Paige asked Craig to buy an engagement ring? Okay, I love Paige. We love Paige. Love Paige. Obsessed. We're not here to really take- No, I'm taking sides. Oh, all right. And it is Paige. Love Paige. Obsessed. We're not here to really take. No, I'm taking sides.

Starting point is 00:39:05 Oh, all right. And it is Paige's. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so. Period, like. Period, I think that people can change their mind and that's free will. And if she thought. Of course she can change her mind.

Starting point is 00:39:17 Yeah, and if she thought that, oh, I think I was gonna marry this person and in eight months time, there was things that had happened and it made her feel otherwise I think she's totally able to say I'm thinking I want to get engaged. This is what I want for an engagement ring I don't think that's crazy. And then eight months later, you're like actually I changed my mind Hey, let's slow it down. Yeah

Starting point is 00:39:38 I don't see anything wrong, but we have empathy for Craig. No, or is it just like you I mean, no It's not that I I definitely have empathy for Craig, no? Or is it just like, ew, good job? I mean, no, it's not that, I definitely have empathy for him because I'm sure that's really hard, but. But I don't think that. But I don't, no, but I don't think that it's just overnight. Like, there was obviously signs and things that the public doesn't know about with them

Starting point is 00:39:59 that like, there was indicators that this probably wasn't gonna like, work out. I do see his side, and I think two things can be true at once. I think he can mean well in both aspects of wanting to support her to the fullest extent on this tour, and also being like, hey, I do want our relationship to still be a priority in your life, because we have been together for three years, we were going on seeing each other every single week,

Starting point is 00:40:22 and now this is gonna put a strain on our relationship, so we really have to like make sure we make our relationship a priority so it doesn't break under all this like added stress and pressure of like you being so busy and it's not seeing each other anymore. And her taking that as like you don't support me at all. I was like, well, I feel like maybe he just really wants

Starting point is 00:40:41 to make sure his relationship's solid. Which I think they're just going in two different directions. Totally two different directions. She's thinking like, I have this amazing career ahead of me and I could see how she would feel like almost pulled down by him being like, well, when are you gonna come back to Charleston and when are you gonna be like, it's almost like, well, I have these things

Starting point is 00:40:59 that I have going for me. It's like, I do feel like this is a season or when this was filming, whatever, in their relationship where it's not normal. They have to adapt. And maybe Craig has to fly to all these different cities to be with her on tour if he wants to make, because she can't.

Starting point is 00:41:17 One part, I was very Team Craig, and not that it's not Team Craig, like, not that I'm saying. It was more like when they were talking about her tour and how she seemed to be kind of annoyed with the idea of even having a boyfriend and having to consider his emotional needs and he was just kind of like,

Starting point is 00:41:37 I mean, listen, I just kind of, like if, let's say, Nellie went on tour and she had to travel or if I had to go on tour, I would think that we would go out of our way to be going out with some friends or whatever, and Paige didn't want to even have to let her then boyfriend know what she was doing, period. But I think that's why they shouldn't be together.

Starting point is 00:42:00 No, for sure. Like she just wasn't feeling it. She made the right decision. Yeah, but that's what I'm, I just, I wonder if it was based off of that. Like, because when she was saying it, they were still together. And when she's saying it, she-

Starting point is 00:42:12 On Summer, are you talking about on Summer House when she was talking to Amanda and she was like, I feel like I'm gonna hate Craig while I'm touring. Yeah, like there's a, you know, also can I ask, does anyone know this answer? Sierra, Lea, like what timeline are we in? When we watch Southern Charm and Summer House, are we?

Starting point is 00:42:28 Summer House is after. They're filming after, because like, we're watching at the same time, so it feels like the timeline's the same. Because it's July when they start Summer House, because they go to the Hamptons in July. And then before that is when they film, because that's like what, March through May,

Starting point is 00:42:42 for Southern Charm. And I know like, Charm obviously started before Summer House, but now we're watching these episodes and like Craig and Paige are in these opposite episodes and it feels like the same timeline, but it's actually a very different timeline. Yeah, it's after Summer House. So yeah, it just kind of feels like

Starting point is 00:42:56 when Paige was saying this being in a relationship with Craig, I was very much understanding where Craig's coming from, like, he's not allowed to check in? There's the Summer House after show, understanding where Craig's coming from. Like, can she, he's not allowed to check in? Like, are you- There's the, the Summer House After show, Paige shared that, and Amanda shared that, Craig would like send her documentaries,

Starting point is 00:43:13 like the Abba documentary, and the whole theme of it was how Tor ruins families and ruins lives. So it's like, pretty like manipulative, being like, before you go on tour, sorry, you're feeling anxious about it, but here, watch this, maybe you shouldn't go, essentially. Yeah. I hate that.

Starting point is 00:43:28 Yeah. That's not a great, you know. She also says, I think I loved him so much that I tolerated too much, and now that I'm out of it, I look back at things and I'm like, oh wait, anytime she had a personal or professional milestone, Craig would find a way to make it about him. It was just embarrassing.

Starting point is 00:43:42 So that's something that I look back on now and I'm like, oh wow, I was really very blinded. I had to do a lot of damage control. I don't think that's the best communication, but I don't think we can assume that it was malicious or manipulative. Maybe he's just like, hey, I'm really worried about us. In that moment, Craig is thinking, I just bought her an engagement ring,

Starting point is 00:44:00 I'm gonna marry this person. Before we got engaged, I was under the impression that we were each other's top priority. You know, and if you're buying an engagement ring, like work aside, like you're still operating as if we are the most important thing. And that's, that was what Craig was doing. Clearly Paige just wasn't feeling that.

Starting point is 00:44:19 She had the right to feel that way too. But to like, oh, he sent these videos and then speak on it as if like it's some evil, manipulative shit, I don't know if we can assume that. But she did also say that she and Craig probably didn't have great communication because she was too straightforward and stern for his liking.

Starting point is 00:44:36 It was like, you're harsh, so I would kind of have to stay more quiet when he would voice his opinions because he would always take it as like a personal attack. Fair, and that's hard to. She's entitled to her opinion, but every time she speaks on Craig, she is speaking as if like he's the problem. And I get from her point of view. From her perspective.

Starting point is 00:44:53 I get it. It could be. You know, and also I think over a period of time, there's gonna be like hurt. Yeah, I just like, you know, it just always seems like when two people speak on these relationships, like I think there's a difference between

Starting point is 00:45:05 Paige's feelings towards Craig and Craig's feelings towards Paige in terms of conflict in the relationship, and us, fans, audience members, is if someone actually did something wrong or something they shouldn't do. Is it's like, well, yeah, I can see why that was frustrating,

Starting point is 00:45:20 I can see why they fought, I can see why they maybe weren't on the same page, but we all want them like, oh, he sent a video? But that is definitely, if she's not feeling supported by him about going on this tour, and then he sends her like, hey, watch this, it ruins relationships and families, that to Sierra's point is a little manipulative.

Starting point is 00:45:38 I agree it's manipulative. I mean, I guess, but maybe he felt like he's like, oh. He's like so sticking up for Greg, he's like, oh, he's like so sticking up for Greg. He's like, oh, maybe he. I mean, yeah, I guess as the guy, I do like, I can understand where like he felt like maybe his needs weren't getting met, you know, and he was trying to communicate things and like,

Starting point is 00:45:57 yeah, their relationship was very much like Page having no problem being like, this is how I feel, fucking deal with it. And Craig clearly was like, like I... It doesn't seem like that was, like maybe that's how it is on camera. But it seems like behind closed doors, her saying like, yeah, she's saying like,

Starting point is 00:46:16 I was too harsh and if I was too harsh, he would like. It's like, were you silenced or were you silenced? Yeah, but maybe she was building resentment over a period of time with him. Clearly. It kinda sounds like she hates him now. Yeah, well, I mean, he didn't really stick up for her or anything when there was cheating accusations and stuff.

Starting point is 00:46:35 Oh, I'm team Craig there. Really? It's a good point, Nick has. Really? You broke my heart, you're my ex, you're not my responsibility anymore. Good fucking luck, do your best, but ex, you're not my responsibility anymore. Good fucking luck, do your best, but your emotional needs are not my problem anymore.

Starting point is 00:46:49 She's made that clear. So like why? Well now she has. Yeah, but it's not his job. Listen, she went about her life, good for her. You're right, she has every right to break up with them. People break up all the time. They're hurt feelings, it is what it is.

Starting point is 00:47:04 And that's kind of my point. We're just talking about hurt feelings. And when there's hurt feelings, it doesn't mean someone's the actual bad guy. If I have hurt feelings, I might think you're the bad guy, but that doesn't mean you're the bad guy, right? And so, and great, she wanted to operate how she wanted to operate.

Starting point is 00:47:17 I don't know what's been going on, who she's dating, but whether there was a crossover or not, we all know how public perception works, right? We have Pedro Pascual going out to dinner with Jennifer Aniston, and now all of a sudden there's dating rumors, you know what I'm saying? She knows how this shit works, and she was like, hey, you're gonna be seeing a lot of me,

Starting point is 00:47:34 and she was going out in public to games with another guy shortly after. She's responsible for her rumors being talked about her, and she wants then Craig to step up and say, don't worry, guys, she would never do something. How does he fucking know? He was blindsided by the breakup, he doesn't know what's going on.

Starting point is 00:47:51 Anytime we get blindsided by a breakup, what's the first thought? Is there someone else? What's going on? So he doesn't fucking know. And he's supposed to what, have her back? Meanwhile, she's going on all these like, post shows being like, he's sending me manipulative texts

Starting point is 00:48:06 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and throwing him under the bus and he's supposed to what? Still be like, she's my queen, don't worry. Fine. Did you think that Craig should have like immediately talked to Kyle on switching to Summer House? That whole like awkward conversation at the table where he's like, I'm not gonna get into this right now.

Starting point is 00:48:26 You haven't watched Summer House? No, I didn't watch the newest one. Or the past like three. Oh my God. Oh, I love Summer House. No, I do too. Ah, ah, whatever. Oh, hey, Lea.

Starting point is 00:48:37 Yes. Hannah talked, I don't know, she had a live or something, Hannah Burner? Yes. She talked about like getting fired from Bravo. Like I don't remember, like why did she get fired? Like that was before my time. People didn't like Hannah on her seasons, first of all.

Starting point is 00:48:51 She didn't- Just like in general? Yeah, like she didn't get along with a lot of the cast. There was a lot of drama. Her last season was a COVID season, so they never got to really leave the house. And she thinks that she was unfairly portrayed, but then it was supposedly

Starting point is 00:49:06 that Kyle had an issue with her and she's claiming that Kyle got her fired. So her truth is Kyle did get her fired. He's claiming that that's not true but from what I've heard she thinks it's because she did a deal with Truly that he got her fired but he was also fighting with her the last season she was on so it's very possible. I mean, that would be fucking crazy for Kyle to expect that no one in the cast is supposed to like make money off of any other liquor period.

Starting point is 00:49:34 That would be- Especially if he's not paying anyone out to like support his brand. It's so wild. Well, that's why I kind of like want him to discuss what he thinks is the lie that's being spread about him because that's what we don't understand either. Like if she didn't get fired because of that,

Starting point is 00:49:48 then why did she get fired? Because that's what she's going around saying. Exactly. But he has not given us any other. Also, yeah, her firing seems different than other Bravo firings. Like, you know, it's like they kind of ask someone else because they're A, like not that good of TV,

Starting point is 00:50:04 they're not that traumatic, or they get put on pause because they're A, like not that good of TV, they're not that dramatic, or they get put on pause because they get a DUI or something. But like Hannah was messy and dramatic, that's good TV. How do you get fired for being good TV? It's like how much pull does Kyle really have with production to like, if that is the case. But Kyle and Amanda are like huge storyline. It feels like with some of these shows,

Starting point is 00:50:25 like Southern Charm, it's what's his name? Who's the producer? Whitney. Whitney, and then like, they're always, like in Jack, like, you know, but despite whatever's going on with Jack's in the Valley, like Jack's kind of organized the Valley. Kyle was like the brainchild, I think,

Starting point is 00:50:39 behind Summer House. And it feels like every one of these shows has one person who's kind of like orchestrating it and has a lot more pull with production and is like the producer pet than some of the other cast. Yeah. He's probably like kicking his feet being like,

Starting point is 00:50:56 I don't want her on here anymore. There's always like one little teacher's pet. So that makes sense. West and Ciro. I'm kind of loving their dynamic like this season. I haven't gotten too deep into it. I need them to hook up one more time. Why?

Starting point is 00:51:12 I do too, I do too. Ciara admitted she was like, I know she wants to. She like called him out like about something. And then she's like, God, like the time she's having like really wants to get out of the bed. I need a drunk night and I need a hookup and a regretful morning. And then I need them to just like dab need a hookup and a regretful morning.

Starting point is 00:51:25 And then I need them to just like, and like be cool and like just. I know, but like for her heart, I don't want her to. I know. I think she's. No, I think she really liked him. I think she did. I think it's more bruised ego.

Starting point is 00:51:37 Really? Oh yeah. I think at this point it is because of all like the press he did after and like, that's kind of what she kept bringing up. This is like, why do you keep talking about me if you don't wanna? She obviously has a lot going for her.

Starting point is 00:51:52 Yeah, she does. She's so pretty. Some might find her to be the most, one of the more eligible people out there. Absolutely. And I think she's told this a lot, as often people are. And then you have West who a lot of people have, he's funny, I mean, in person we met. He's a very good looking who a lot of people have, he's funny,

Starting point is 00:52:05 and he's, I mean, in person, he's a very good looking guy, he's six foot, he's tall, he's awesome, but he presents as more like a bra, like a just another guy, and everyone tells Sierra that West is beneath her, and everyone tells West that Sierra's above her. He can't get better. He can't get better, and then West is the one

Starting point is 00:52:23 who turned her down, and I just think, you know, you got bru, you know, and that's a recipe for bruised ego. Okay, I can see it. I mean, I- But I do think she's better than him. And maybe so. And as do I.

Starting point is 00:52:33 And I think we do, I need the episode of Lexi and Sierra. Oh my gosh, I have chills right now. Whatever this is with Jessie, I need to see it. Yeah, I wanna know what happened because I feel like why would Sierra be like, encroaching on their thing. She should know better. What?

Starting point is 00:52:54 What do you mean? Oh, she should know better, like as in. What? What did I just say that was so wrong? Yeah, I mean, shouldn't she like. No, I don't, but like also flirting is so subjective. Like they've known each other for a long time. So I feel like maybe their dynamic comes off flirty.

Starting point is 00:53:11 But Lexi's like new to the group. I don't think people who are very good flirts and I don't know Sierra that well, but I'm guessing she's pretty good if she wants to be. Yeah, but if she wanted Jessie, can she just have him? She said several times. I don't think she wants Jessie, but there's a difference between wanting Jesse

Starting point is 00:53:25 and wanting Jesse to want her or like flirt or just like the- We all flirt. Of course, but Jesse is pursuing a relationship in the house. So why is it Sierra's fault problem? Yeah, why is it Sierra's fault? It's Jesse's fault. Of course it's Jesse's fault.

Starting point is 00:53:37 Jesse is responsible, but like, does that mean like she can do whatever she wants? She's responding to Jesse. And I agree. So she's responding to the energy that Jessie's bringing her. Sure. If Jessie approached her and was like, Hey, Sierra, like,

Starting point is 00:53:49 They can't both be slightly wrong. Also, but what's the loyalty? Good to see ya. Then she wouldn't be like, Oh my God, like hug me. She plays into it. Because he gives, he feeds it to her. Totally.

Starting point is 00:54:00 And, But she, I'm just saying. Sierra's loyalty isn't to Lexi. Clearly. You know? I'm just, I, clearly. I feel like she knew Jessie before, And, Sierra's loyalty isn't to Lexi. Clearly. You know? Clearly. I feel like she knew Jesse before,

Starting point is 00:54:08 so it's not like her and Lexi are super close. I'm just, I could be wrong, but I am just guessing if the roles were reversed and some new baddie came in to the house, and like last season. But I do like Lexi's, I know. When West and Sierra were going out, doing it, and she started, you know, if Sierra was new to the house

Starting point is 00:54:28 and like there was someone already there. You're like role reversal. I just think she might feel like, you know. Upset that, yeah, I see, I get it, I get it. I see everyone's perspective. I could see Lexi saying, you're not being a girl's girl kind of thing. Totally.

Starting point is 00:54:41 You know. But also maybe, I don't know. What do you have to say, Lea? I don't know for sure, but does anyone think that Sierra might be doing this to make Wes jealous? Oh, now that is a plot twist. If so, I hate that because it's like, it's his friend. And it's just like. But Jesse's going hard, like first.

Starting point is 00:55:01 Yeah, and Jesse's doing it. So like if Wes was really gonna get jealous, he would get, he would probably say something to Jesse and clearly they, Wes and Jesse are just like cuddle buddies. Like they're, I don't, no, I don't think so at all. I would do it. That's what I would do. That's what I would do if I were Sierra.

Starting point is 00:55:18 Period. But you, it wouldn't be effective is what I'm saying. Nick knows everything you need to know this by now. He is a man and he has all male perspective. is what I'm saying. Nick knows everything you need to know this by now. He is a man and he has all male perspective for every male ever. Did I not say I don't think? The amount of women laughing right now.

Starting point is 00:55:39 I will have to just go fuck myself for sure. Justin is one of the girls. He is. I'm wrong obviously for sure. No, one of the girls. He is. I'm wrong, obviously, for sure. No, you're not. It's a good perspective. Clearly, Jesse and Wes are like, they're good to go. Clearly, we're team girls and you're team guys.

Starting point is 00:55:56 I'm just offering. If I learn anything from this episode. Wow. God forbid, I just point out possibly a perspective. Devil's advocate. You know, just, you know. The devil doesn't need one. No, he does not.

Starting point is 00:56:08 Honestly, he has too many. He has Nick. I'll be going 90 tonight. Yeah, for sure. You will be going 100. You will be going 100. And 10. 100%.

Starting point is 00:56:21 Did you ever get into any Housewives or are you strictly just Summer Housewives? No, Beverly Hills for sure. Yeah. I love those girls. Are you watching this season? I started, stopped, but I just like- It's boring. It is a little boring and it's kind of the same thing

Starting point is 00:56:35 over and over again, but I love Kyle Richards. I do too. Just love her. I do too. They could never make me hate her. I know. Do you, how are you feeling about her and Mo? Do you want them to get back together

Starting point is 00:56:45 or are you like, I'm kind of just like, I'm gonna move on. I mean, of course, I always want like a love story to work out, but like at this point with everything that's come out and he's like an Aspen with the girls and they're in the bikinis, I'm like, I kind of just don't want that. But for their kids, I think it would be great

Starting point is 00:57:02 for them to just have like a mom and dad that are together If we're gonna keep talking about them what like kind of like with Sierra and West I kind of want to like a I want them to at least hook up. Oh, yeah she needs to like go over to most place and like sexy time and show up like a Security camera footage of Kyle like and yeah, it's like his. And she's wearing like a trench coat. And she has like really sexy lingerie. And she just like whips it off. And then she's like a dominatrix.

Starting point is 00:57:31 And she's like, get on your knees. Oh my God. What do you guys think? Yes, I agree. Yeah. Did you watch Mom Talk? Or Mormon Lives? No.

Starting point is 00:57:40 Mom Talk. She's like, I haven't heard, what is that on? I have not heard it. Secret Lives of Mormon Lives? I didn't watch it. Oh, you need to't heard, what is that on? I have not heard it. Secret Lives and Mormon Lives? I didn't watch it. Oh, you need to? Okay, I've heard mixed reviews, I'm not really into Mormon moms.

Starting point is 00:57:52 You know? No offense. I think it's a little produced. I think these girls know what they're doing. I think they know how to get a second season. They wanna be famous. I don't care. They wanna be famous. It's awesome.

Starting point is 00:58:08 It is Millie Bobby Brown's favorite reality TV show. Well, I will do anything she does. So I'll be watching. Okay. Because I love her. Okay. I think it's really good. Okay.

Starting point is 00:58:21 So you're excited for the second season? Oh, I'm so excited. Why do you think it's so good? Because I think they're professional TV makers. Because he loves drama. Well, yeah, I mean, listen, like Bravo, it's like, you know, it's different than The Bachelor. You know, it's just the right reasons.

Starting point is 00:58:34 And like, you know, it's just like on The Bachelor, there is this weird kind of like balance between making a TV show and real humans taking a shot at this crazy experience and kind of like falling in love, but not knowing if it's real love or it's made of fact. You have no idea at the moment. You have no real idea and you're off the grid and it's a social experiment.

Starting point is 00:58:55 And whether it's Bravo, Housewives, Summer House, Southern Charm, these are people just making a TV show while also living their lives. Yeah, I do love that. And you have to be like, you just, you have to be a professional. Like this is their, you know, I know like,

Starting point is 00:59:09 like summer house, like we all pretend that like- It's their job. Yeah, like we, we like to pretend that, you know, like, well, whether it's Kyle or Carl, you know, last season, it was always like, you don't have a job. It's like, he's a TV star. He makes a lot of money to go film in the Hamptons for one month.

Starting point is 00:59:27 They like to pretend that's not the case, but it's going on and the Mormon wives, they're fucking professionals. They show up to fucking work. They give their all. They are on set. They are doing crazy shit that whether you think it's force produced or not, that it is like,

Starting point is 00:59:42 cops sometimes need to be called. Really? Like these women's like. Oh no, that was before the show. Either way. That was just their actual lives. I also heard that next season, I heard that it's so intense that like,

Starting point is 00:59:55 think about it, it's very costly for production crews to come, set up, be there without it being filmed. And I heard that it's so intense and so messy that they had to stop down production for periods of time to let some of these women reset, protect their mental health because it was so fucking crazy and intense at times. And for it being a second season

Starting point is 01:00:24 and production to be willing to cater to those needs means they're clearly getting excellent content. I agree. I mean, fuck, I'll watch it, Jesus. Did you see that MomTalk's going on Vanderpump Villa and Stacey Schroeder teased that shit goes down when they come to the villa? Yeah, is that gonna convince you

Starting point is 01:00:45 to watch Vanderpump Villa? Probably not, no. You're not gonna watch the mom talk episode with Stassi? Why? That maybe, you know. Oh, I will be. I am not Team Lisa Vanderpump right now. I don't wanna get into it.

Starting point is 01:00:57 I feel like that's a whole other fucking ball of wax. Ball of wax. It is very waxy. Feels like it. 100%. Nothing worse than waking up on a beautiful sunny day ball of wax, ball of wax. It is very waxy. Feels like it. Nothing worse than waking up on a beautiful sunny day to look in the mirror and find a pimple. To find, yeah, to find a pimple on your cheek or finding signs of aging, like wrinkles, fine lines,

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Starting point is 01:02:30 There's this like creator online. I don't know if like over the weekend, it just like, I saw it and I was like, oh, this is kind of like, I know I watched it like 10 times and I'm like, why am I watching it? I'm kind of weirdly like, you're obsessed. You don't know why you're obsessed. This right here, watch, listen to this.

Starting point is 01:02:44 Oh no. This is, I don't know why you're obsessed. This right here, watch, listen to this. Oh no. This is, I don't know. A short listener. This man's life is absurd. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It's 4.40 a.m. He's journaling. This is like your morning. Oh no. This is my morning. Is that sparkling water? I love him. Then he puts on his jewelry.

Starting point is 01:03:10 Is he wearing a Van Cleef? He needs his Rolex to tell the time. And his Van Cleef of course. Oh my god. This is more than I do in a year. He's done more in two hours. But I've done in a week Wow, we're only at 820 am

Starting point is 01:03:35 Please yeah, I have a three watch what my favorite part. Did you just rub a banana? How many more Period I love was like a little insight into his work life. He's got a chef? Apparently. He must be sponsored by that water. Who is this guy? Play that, play the,

Starting point is 01:03:52 Mary, play the track video. That's how I discovered him. Who is this guy? Well, I don't know. He's been all over the internet. It felt like he had Butler. Yeah. I feel like that was his girlfriend

Starting point is 01:04:03 that he does not share on social media. And he's like, I need your nails to hand me this bowl. This plate of food. But we do not need your face. We absolutely will not be posting. His name's Ashton. Ashton? Well, at least give him cred.

Starting point is 01:04:18 I would say Ashton is probably 5'11". Internet says he's 5'7". Oh! What? Really? Like people that know him or they're just like guessing? Well, he was walking next to his G-Wagon and a G-Wagon's 5'7". If you're tall and he with shoes on. No.

Starting point is 01:04:39 There's no way. No, a G-Wagon's taller than 5'7". I don't, let's see here. Five foot seven? Yeah, G-Wagon's taller than 5'7". I don't, let's see here. 5'7", then you're taller than a G-Wagon? There's no way. A G-Wagon's gotta be sitting at six foot. Six foot flat. But now all these videos of various guys like him

Starting point is 01:04:56 who have all these, and there was this other one I found, and the guy looks like Christian McCaffrey so much that Christian McCaffrey responded to the DM. What do you say? He's like something I would never, oh, he's like, I don't wear board shorts because the guy was wearing board shorts, but he lives in this tiny house

Starting point is 01:05:10 and he also drives a Ferrari. Like all these guys live in a, like if you live in an apartment. Like why are you driving a Ferrari? Why are you driving a $200,000 car? Let's invest in a home. Can't see it, man. Maybe it's a rental.

Starting point is 01:05:22 This one, this is how I discovered this man. Oh. Oh my. Oh. Lemon water. Now it's lemons. Look at her, she's dressing him. Like what is that? Like, I didn't, guys, like what is that? I think it's a heart.

Starting point is 01:05:35 I think we're running. Oh, I thought that was like a heart monitor. No socks. No socks? No socks is nuts. I do want that bag. Go yard bag. I do want that bag.

Starting point is 01:05:43 We love the go yard. This next partnership needs to be for athlete's foot. He has security? He has a friend posting. What kind of car is this? Yeah, it's not showing any logos. Wow. Definitely. No.

Starting point is 01:05:54 Rolls Royce. A Rolls Royce. That's his camera crew. Now he's getting ready to work out. What does he do? He's just running sprints. Apparently fashion of the car. He's definitely sponsored by that water.

Starting point is 01:06:06 Oh, he's meeting his fans. I mean, the man is a man, the body. Yeah. Well. Anyways, I'm obsessed. But also him being five seven is definitely. There's no fucking way. You never know what to believe on the internet.

Starting point is 01:06:20 He does lifestyle coaching. Oh. He does lifestyle coaching? That's kind of on point for him, I guess. Yeah, that's, that's, that's right. Yeah, that was the- That was the- That is a lifestyle.

Starting point is 01:06:32 And meal plan nutrition. That is a lifestyle. It's like he was telling the younger kids who came up to him, like, man, just like believe in your dreams. Yeah. Like that was his like- Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:41 We gotta get 10,000 more, whatever that was. It's like, did you hear on Bachelor when Grant was like, my dad gave me some really good advice. He told me to follow my heart. You're like, oh, oh. That's what he gave you? Period, okay. And he said, and that's what I'm gonna do.

Starting point is 01:06:57 Oh. Thank God your dad told you that. Well, thank God you're going with your heart. Like, my dad gave me really good advice. Go with my heart. Well, dad gave me really good advice. Go with my heart. Well, as Brian might have said, trust your gut. And it's like, which one?

Starting point is 01:07:08 Yeah, we could get into that, but I don't think you should trust your gut. You don't think you should trust your gut. You think your gut lies to you? I do. I think your gut is a survival thing. So when you've grown up in trauma, sometimes your gut isn't accurate.

Starting point is 01:07:21 I would disagree. Your gut reacts. I mean, it's actually a good thing. I talked to my therapist about it. It's reacts. I mean, it's actually a good thing. I talked to my therapist about it. It's actually like, yeah, it's actually studied. But I think you can have intuition where you're like, I don't think this situation's right for me, but sometimes our gut isn't always telling us.

Starting point is 01:07:35 I think your body knows. And I think we are so good at lying to ourselves and not listening to our body or our gut. And like, and that's the thing that you're calling your gut is the thing, it's the voice that you're calling your gut is the thing, it's the voice that says, there's that part of you that says something's going on and then you're like, no, that's crazy, I don't wanna be neurotic, I'm nervous, I don't wanna. Maybe.

Starting point is 01:07:53 You know, but there's always something that says, I don't know. I don't know, I think both can be true. Like when you find out to be, when you're blind, whatever it is, you get some news and you're, It's turned out to be, when you're blindsided, whatever it is, you get some news and you're, are you totally fucking always just being like totally 100% blindsided or is there a part of you that says, you know that one part that felt a little off and I just kind of ignored it

Starting point is 01:08:18 because I didn't want to seem crazy and I don't want to be the neurotic person, I don't want to like, ooh. Maybe, I think other people are blindsided. Maybe, also maybe not. Yeah. Greedy disagree. Period, period.

Starting point is 01:08:36 Well, so we have guys. It looks like Meredith Marks is gonna be performing a DJ set at Out Loud Music Festival. She's DJing now? I guess so. I love this for real. Who's Meredith Marks? You don's DJing now? I guess so. Who's Meredith Marks? The Salt Lake City Housewives.

Starting point is 01:08:48 You don't watch Salt Lake? My God, if you're gonna watch any- Let's kill her. If you're gonna watch Housewives, you have to do Salt Lake City. Really? It's the best. Okay.

Starting point is 01:08:58 Way better than Beverly Hills. Well, this season. Okay. Beverly Hills. But she's, wow, she's DJing now. Oh, she's a DJ. She turned in the bath bombs for DJ, for DJ equipment. She's like, you know what, fuck this.

Starting point is 01:09:10 You think she's talked to Kyle at all about it? Kyle. Kyle Cook. Oh, because- I thought you meant Richards. Because he is also a DJ. And thank God he is. If I was just like, hey- I don't think I could support it. You don't think so?

Starting point is 01:09:26 No, I couldn't support you. I wouldn't support you. Yeah, I think I would. I wouldn't Lindsay Hubbard say last season when Carl was like, I think I want to do a soft, a bar, a non-alcoholic bar. Yeah, I'm gonna have to shut that one down. Yeah, I think you're something like.

Starting point is 01:09:42 It's like, you mean like, that's just crazy. In a restaurant? What are your top three least favorite jobs for me? Like this all goes to shit. Least favorite? Yeah, I wanna pivot. I'm like, you know what, podcasting, I've done it, I'm over it.

Starting point is 01:09:57 It's like, I don't know anymore. I want to blank. I think DJ's definitely up there. I think DJ's number one. What? Not from the list. Oh yeah, not from the list. Oh, shit. Oh, sorry, Justin, let me, Justin's like, no job. DJ is definitely up there.

Starting point is 01:10:10 I think if you were like- Lifestyle coach? I would struggle. I honestly could see you doing that. You would be a great like mentor though, so like- I don't even think it's bad. I think it's a difference between- I think, no, I think it's more so like,

Starting point is 01:10:23 if you were like, I wanna pursue singing, I would. Yeah, he's like, I wanna be a country music star. I'd be like, okay. If I'm gonna give advice for living outside of an ethnic episode on a podcast, I'm gonna go to school and become a therapist. I think that would be great for you. I'm not gonna call myself a lifestyle coach.

Starting point is 01:10:44 And start selling CDs. Products. Products and videos of my day with ASMR. Could you imagine? I could see it, honestly. Giggle. Do you deep down hate me? No.

Starting point is 01:10:56 So I love you. But I can kind of see it. Couldn't you see him doing that? No, God no. Because I wouldn't be motivational. I'd be like, what are you doing? No, his ego wouldn't allow him. But again, if all of this went away

Starting point is 01:11:09 and he had to find something. I think you would go back to school and you'd become a therapist. Yeah, but I'm asking you what- That's the actual thing you would do. And I think I would struggle if you were like, I wanna be a DJ. I think I'm gonna be a singer and-

Starting point is 01:11:22 A background dancer. I can't sing, but I can dance. Oh no. I don't think I could do that. be a singer and- A background dancer? I can't sing but I can't dance. What if- Oh no. I don't think I could do that. Like a hip hop dancer? What if I- And he like goes to hip hop on Wednesdays at 9 PM. He's at like playground in LA.

Starting point is 01:11:34 9 PM, he's like, hey, I gotta go- I call up Clayton Eckhart. I'm like, hey, can I join? Oh no, yeah, I could not. If you start posting videos like that. I forgot about that. He's getting really good. He is getting good.

Starting point is 01:11:46 I, you know, he went through a lot of trauma. At this point, I thought we were done. Hang up the ballet shoes. You gotta find your thing. They're not ballet shoes or Jordans. He's hip hopping. Yes, of course. Listen, I was, I made, this is love

Starting point is 01:12:01 because early in our dating time period. I'm scared. I made Natalie film me roller skating. Oh. This is love because early in our dating time period, I made Natalie film me roller skating. And I look back and I was like the- For what? Instagram. For what? For content.

Starting point is 01:12:14 And I was like, hey, I need to post this video. He wouldn't post me, but I had to record him spinning on his roller. No, it's like I look back and I was like, well, this is before, I didn't even know what X were at this point. Like I didn't, it wasn't like a internet thing. And I looked back and that was.

Starting point is 01:12:29 Like the sex was that good, that I was like, I can look past it. It wasn't that, that was a different friend. A different friend. So this has been multiple times. But that is the content. That's what he was doing. That's what I made Natalie do.

Starting point is 01:12:40 There are things that men should not do. Roller skating is one of them. I love roller skating. That's not for you, that's for the girls. Yeah, but I'm gonna do it with my daughter. Look at it, I recorded that, Victoria. We went roller skating for our Christmas party. What?

Starting point is 01:12:51 Disgusting. I'm crying behind the camera. And I'm questioning all of my choices. I just wanna know why you're so good at it. Because I've been in roller skating since I was like three. I was addicted to that too. So they just put you in roller skate lessons? And he would be like, I need you to like walk around me.

Starting point is 01:13:04 Like he was directing me. It's a big fat egg. Yeah, and thank God nowadays if he's like, well yeah, I'm like, I can't. When I put on roller skates, I feel fucking free. I just, I love it. I love rolling around and dancing on wheels. I know it's disgusting.

Starting point is 01:13:21 No, no, no, no, honestly, you're kind of, you're, yeah, you're touching my heart a little bit over there. And you know what I did? I went to the YouTube Creator Summit. Okay. And as a, I'm sorry, baby. And I am so sorry, baby.

Starting point is 01:13:36 I didn't see your hand there. As like a group activity for like bonding, they went roller skating. So I went roller skating. And you're like, and I did show off my skills. I was the first one there and I was the last to leave. No, I don't get like, I don't give a fuck. Like when, one time before I met Natalie,

Starting point is 01:13:54 I have a friend, dear friends of mine are friends with Emma Stone, name drop. And she hosted a fundraiser that also include roller skating. So I was through friends invited to set up. They're like, who would wanna do this? They're like, Nick? And I was literally just by myself, dancing on the skating rink,

Starting point is 01:14:10 and everyone's like, what, does that Nick's fashion? Like, what the fuck is going on? Wait, it's one of those things, it's one of those moments where Nick thinks he's so cool, and he's like killing it. Everyone's like, wait, but why? I was stoned out of my mind. And then I had a friend, my friend, who's also there it. I was like, wait, but why? I was stoned out of my mind. And then I had a friend, I had my friend who's also there,

Starting point is 01:14:27 friends with my friends, they got invited. She was there with her boyfriend. And I believe the Hames sisters were there. It was a star, you know. Wow. And we were in this like VIP group. He's Hollywood, don't you forget it. We were in this VIP group,

Starting point is 01:14:42 because of just through friends. I was just a tag along. And our mutual friend, her boyfriend was there and she was breaking up with her boyfriend at this event. They got in a fight and I went to my friend and I sat down next to her and like patted her on the back. Also, Brie Larson was there, Captain Marvel, Oscar award winning actor.

Starting point is 01:15:06 Terrible names. But keep going. I came over to console my friend, and Brie Larson and the Hames sisters thought that was my girlfriend, and then I wanted to go back roller skating. And so I patted my friend in the back and went and just started skating again.

Starting point is 01:15:21 And Brie Larson thought I had broken up with my girlfriend and just said, and patted her on the shoulder. It's likeie Larson thought I had broken up with my girlfriend and just said, and patted her like on the shoulder. And she thought she was witnessing like me being an absolute monster. Wow. So she hated you. Well, she was like, I know she asked our friends, like, is that, are they dating?

Starting point is 01:15:38 And then my friends were like, no, that's not what's going on. And he's like, hey, I gotta get out back out there, but good luck out there. The skates are getting dry. Anyways, back to the, when I went roller skating a couple months ago, I thought to myself, you know what? I get to do this with my daughter in a couple of years. Aw.

Starting point is 01:15:55 She will love it. And that is a full circle moment. And now I like you again. Thank you. And I don't think you're a creep. Yeah. But thank you for- Overall win roller coaster you went on.

Starting point is 01:16:05 Thank you for fighting for us after that. I did fight for us after that. And she did. And I did. I think it was one of those things where it's like you just kind of block it out. You know, it was like- Like trauma.

Starting point is 01:16:16 It was trauma. And I lived through it and then I blocked it out and I said, I will never think about that again. Ever. Ever. And I didn't. And she didn't until right now. And then you made me shave your head to do that bit

Starting point is 01:16:28 on Instagram, the talking with you during COVID. And I loved your hair so much. And you're like, I think I wanna shave it. And I was like, yeah, great idea. You told me it was hot. You told me it was hot. In fact, I remember specifically, if I wanna get real TMI, you looking up at me

Starting point is 01:16:43 and going, your hair looks so good. Your lack of hair looks so hot. I buzzed it. She's like, your bald head is so good. Is that a bald spot? I am. I hate that.

Starting point is 01:16:58 Sierra's rocking back and forth in the shower. She was like, I think you need to go to Turkey. Yeah. And we will be going to Turkey after this. Did people think in that episode, what you thought, Sierra, whenever we were talking about that? I don't know, I didn't check the comments.

Starting point is 01:17:12 I haven't been back to that video. I've scrubbed that from my mind. Thank you. I didn't realize, but when we were talking to Ari Shaffer about... Text? Oh, anal? Anal.

Starting point is 01:17:24 And I said, I thought you lost your anal virginity to me. Sierra thought I was pegging you. Oh my God. And I was like, oh my God, no. People think you're real kinky. Wow. Wow. Didn't you lose your anal virginity to me?

Starting point is 01:17:42 I wonder if Ollie thought that as well. And he was just like so uncomfortable. He's like cool man. He's like sick. That's why he said we were his favorite married couple. That makes sense. Wowie wow wow. Oh.

Starting point is 01:17:53 Woo. Woo and here we are. Yeah, well. Well, what are you gonna do about it? Well, I don't know. Still not as crazy as the white lotus, which you haven't, we'll talk about that. Please don't, yes.

Starting point is 01:18:04 We'll talk about it tomorrow. I'm't, yes. We'll talk about it tomorrow. I'm going on a date. Tonight? No. Can we talk about your love life then, since you brought it up? Sure. Great, love, thank you.

Starting point is 01:18:13 He was just waiting. I was just, I wanted to respect your boundary. All right, here we go. We got a lot of questions for ya. Well, how is your heart? The typical Nick question. how's your heart? So, hmm. I hate this evil grin.

Starting point is 01:18:29 Special feeling you have for episode starts now. I literally have left the building. He has locked me out of this conversation. He has turned his body. This is an outgoing deeper ass Nick. So we're gonna get 10,000. Yeah, you turned your fucking body towards me. I know what's going on here.

Starting point is 01:18:44 My heart is good. I'm going on a date this weekend. Are we dating apps these days or are we staying off? It's mutual friends only who are coordinating this. I don't do. How do you meet people? You know what's so funny is everyone's like, oh, the dating scene sucks.

Starting point is 01:19:00 And I just, I will say I get pretty lucky. Yeah, so I'm going on a date on next weekend. Is he older, younger, same age? I hope he, please tell me he's in his 40s. He is not. Ah! But I'm- No, I-

Starting point is 01:19:16 Is he your age? No. Is he younger? Younger. She's the Cougar these days. I'm kind of into it lately. We all know. We all talk a little bit of interaction. Call me Jennifer Coolidge.

Starting point is 01:19:27 Oh, yeah. Yeah, so he's younger and... Is he like super athletic? He may dabble in the athletics department. He may or may not be in the athletics department. Wait, so how are you meeting people these days? It's mutual friends, being like I know somebody. Yeah, it's so weird.

Starting point is 01:19:48 It's like I've gotten so lucky with that. I've never had to get on a dating app. This is the first date. It is. Have we, how much have we talked with the date? Are we, how blind are we going in? Are we texting? We're semi-acquainted.

Starting point is 01:20:01 He called me the other day and we talked for an hour and 17 minutes. and I wasn't even annoyed. Did he, did he, did he like, hey, I'd love to call you or did he just randomly call you and just thought maybe she'll pick up? Because like that's considered psycho behavior in 2025. It is true. No, he texted me and he had a two and a half hour drive

Starting point is 01:20:20 from somewhere to somewhere. And he was like, I would love if you could keep me some company. Hot. Yeah, And he was like, I would love if you could keep me some company. Yeah. And I was like, you're like, I? And I was like, I'll allow it. And then I'm like, oh God, what do I do? It's so awkward.

Starting point is 01:20:37 I gotta take a shower and did the conversation flow or was it a little? Did you like play I spy as he drove? He was like, I see Alabama license plate No, we did not play I spy thank you But we know it wasn't awkward at first. I think he felt like a little awkward, but he was really sweet He like I was staying in over the weekend And I didn't go out and he was like am I on speakerphone and I was like cuz he knows

Starting point is 01:21:01 and I didn't go out and he was like, am I on speaker phone? And I was like, cause he knows Buxton and Cash, my two dogs. And he was like, all right, Buxton and Cash, like thank you for letting me steal your mom for a little bit. It was really sweet. He knows the way in my heart.

Starting point is 01:21:14 I was like, I'm gonna get in there. Yeah. Okay, cute. Yeah, what are you gonna wear? Haven't figured it out yet. We're going to- Dinner, a fall dinner. So it's dinner one night and then the next day

Starting point is 01:21:24 we're doing a whole activity together all day. We're going to. A full dinner. So it's dinner one night and then the next day we're doing a whole activity together all day. We're going to the Miami Open and. Oh that makes sense. I feel like you've been going to a lot of tennis events recently. Have I? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:21:35 Weren't you in the New York one? Oh yeah, the US Open. Yes of course. The New York Open. The Miami Open. Yeah. Do you know how to score in tennis? What do you mean?

Starting point is 01:21:48 Do you know how to, do you know how they keep score in tennis? When you hit it out of the bounds. Yeah. What's zero zero? Wait, what? Love serving love? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:21:58 Are you trying to trick me? I'm just asking if you know. Yeah, I do. Because it seems like you might need to know. Yeah. I mean, I think I, I know nothing about tennis. That is the most confusing sport to me. What's one score?

Starting point is 01:22:10 One person has scored. 10 points and it goes up to 40. Oh, my God. Oh, 15. 15, 30, 40. Yeah, and then it goes up to 40 by 10. And then if you're tied, then it's deuce. Why couldn't we just do one point?

Starting point is 01:22:18 It's deuce, yeah. What's a birdie? It makes no sense. What? A birdie? A birdie? Oh, that's actually golf. Oh, got it, okay.

Starting point is 01:22:26 Different sport. She's like, yes, of course. Yes, a hawk. And how optimistic are we about said date? Here's the thing. I think people are very interested in people's love lives when they get off the show and they get very wrapped up and they're like, oh my God, she's dating somebody else now.

Starting point is 01:22:48 We're very appreciative of you because we're so invested in you. It's the gift that keeps giving. Yeah. But I think it's just funny because I can go on a date and it just be a date. It doesn't have to be like, oh, we're getting married or I can date people and it not work out.

Starting point is 01:23:05 And it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with me or anything wrong with him. I just wanted to put that out there because I know people get very invested in this and they're like, wow, and I get it. Like, trust me, I want it to work out too guys. But we go in with a level of like, or real promising stuff.

Starting point is 01:23:24 He thanked my dogs. Yes, he thanked my dogs and now we are engaged. or real promising stuff. He thanked my dogs. Yes, he thanked my dogs and now we are engaged. Yes. So we will be getting married. Yes, of course. But no, he's a really good guy and I'm excited to learn more about him.

Starting point is 01:23:38 And when he's on tour, are you sending him videos of ways to make your potential relationship work? No, because she's going on tour as well. Yes, and I will be on the world tour with him. On the tour bus. There is no tour bus. When do we get to meet him? There is a plane. There is a plane, a tour plane.

Starting point is 01:23:57 A tour jet. And when do we get to meet him? Yeah, so if it all goes well. Do you think. Initiation process. Let me ask you this. Through think, let me ask you this. Through Nick. Let me ask you this.

Starting point is 01:24:07 Based on how you feel where things stand now, not to put, what are our chances that we actually meet this guy? I would say 50-50 at the moment. That's not bad. They're pretty good odds. Pretty good. 50-50 is pretty good.

Starting point is 01:24:20 That's pretty good. Like would he wanna like double date with us maybe? Yeah, for sure he would. Definitely. Yeah, I met him through a mutual friend and her husband is in the same Field. Field, profession, if you will.

Starting point is 01:24:38 Career. And career path, yes of course. And so she, it's so funny, they like were hanging out and he was playing with her baby. And she was like, immediately, for some reason, she thought about me. And she was like, she messaged him after he left her house and she's like, you're a really great guy.

Starting point is 01:24:56 I love the way that you hung out with my daughter and you were so good with her. And I have a friend that I really, really want you to meet. I think you'd really like her. And this was before she even told me. And he was like, yeah, I would love to, da da da. They talked about me. And then she ended up telling me afterwards

Starting point is 01:25:12 and she was like, I had a really great conversation with Blank and I think you guys would be really great for each other. And I think you guys should hang out. And it was really sweet that she like immediately thought about me, you know, all because he was like really good with her daughter. Well, we should send him videos of you playing with River. She's also really good.

Starting point is 01:25:33 She's gonna be a great mom one day, if you're wondering. Just in case you're wondering. No, it's like no context. It's like me and River and I'm like, Hey, so whose kid is this? Do you have a kid? Just in case you're wondering. No, it's like no context. No context. It's just like me and River and I'm like feeding her. Hey, so whose kid is this? Do you have a kid? Well, I'm very excited for you.

Starting point is 01:25:51 There's nobody I'm rooting for more in love life than you. I feel like you deserve more than you could actually want for yourself. You deserve more than that. And I'm excited to meet this person and vet him and give him the whole, like, if you, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna than that. And I'm excited to meet this person and vet him and give him the whole, like, if you bring him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna do that.

Starting point is 01:26:09 Aw, you guys are sweet. And then we'll see you tomorrow. Yeah. And then- Don't, for sure. Yeah, no. Because the people are gonna be like, I'm tuning back in to Victoria.

Starting point is 01:26:16 Don't be like, don't. Yes, no, I'll be here. Okay. I'm like tied behind my back. Like my hands are like. Literally. All right, well, I think that'll wrap it up today for this episode.

Starting point is 01:26:27 Thank you for listening. Don't forget, tomorrow's episode with Victoria will also be a reality recap. We'll talk a little sevens, a little white lotus. We'll try to see if we can get screeners for Housewives, Beverly Hills. Either way, it's gonna be a fun, wacky episode. And then also, Natalie from Temptation Island

Starting point is 01:26:46 will be zooming in. And then on Thursday, which may or may not be related to that guest, I'm very excited, very happy for what you guys are gonna witness in here or watch. Probably, you're gonna wanna watch and listen. All of the above. All of the above. That is Thursday, a special episode of Going Deeper.

Starting point is 01:27:08 Tell all your friends, really can't wait for you to be the next Bachelorette. I'm putting it out there in the universe. I really, I think it would be. Well, if this relationship. Well. Oh yeah, there's that. Well, I mean, listen, you gotta live your life.

Starting point is 01:27:19 I do, and I will. I mean, it's on pause. We didn't even, like, I mean, right now it's just a fantasy, but if he stops loving kids, and he will. I mean, it's on pause. I mean, right now it's just a fantasy, but if he stops loving kids, then he starts hating your dogs. Yeah. And like he just, let's be honest, like starts sucking at his job.

Starting point is 01:27:33 Yeah, well, then we might have to read a couple sheets. Yeah, right. If it comes back on the fold, I know that they're gonna wanna revamp, and they're gonna wanna put a polish on that pig, because God knows it needs some work. Polishing. Yes it does. I think they would do themselves a great service

Starting point is 01:27:51 by hiring you as the next veteran. I think it'd be awesome. I just think it would be so fucking good. Thank you, Nick. You can't help but be excellent television. I say that with love. He's like the biggest advocate for this. He is, he hasn't shut up about it.

Starting point is 01:28:04 I will say, I talked to some people who I think are important in this decision making process and I was just like pitching you hard and they were listening. And they were listening. And I just think it will be awesome. Like they need to do something. And I don't think it is bringing some rando like celebrity.

Starting point is 01:28:26 I just, no one, you know, it's like there's something about this fan base. We need to, it's been successful before. It can be successful again. It's all about the strength of the lead. I agree. And- As the unofficial bachelor fan of this podcast,

Starting point is 01:28:39 I agree that that would be incredible TV. Aw, thank you. Excuse you, what? I am, but also I'm a different human now. So it would be an even more iconic. She's still inside. She's there. She's there.

Starting point is 01:28:53 Deep, deep down. All right, see you tomorrow. Bye, thanks for listening. Bye. you

The Viall Files - E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo

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