The Viall Files - E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Another day, another RR! Today we welcome back Victoria Fuller to the show and get into AFR, whatever is going on with those White Lotus brothers, Garcelle leaving RHOBH, RHOA, and how bad the new Snow White movie is. Meanwhile, we’re joined by Natalie from Temptation Island to get her side of the story. You won’t want to miss!  “I always say, when it comes to age gaps, looks matter.” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles     THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: DraftKings Sportsbook - Just sign up with code VIALLFILES and wager a minimum of five dollars to receive FIVE HUNDRED CASINO SPINS ON A FEATURED GAME. ASPCA - To explore coverage, visit https://ASPCApetinsurance.com/VIALL  Cremo Body Wash - Head to Target or https://target.com to find Cremo’s new line of antiperspirants and deodorants in the Italian Bergamont and Palo Santo scents. BEAM - Visit https://shopbeam.com/VIALL and use code VIALL to get our exclusive discount of up to 40% off. Fabric - Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their family. Start investing in your child today at https://meetfabric.com/VIALL  Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (01:44) - Bachelor (11:02) - Garcelle’s Exit (18:37) - White Lotus (29:48) - Programming Notes (30:26) - Bozoma Vs Sutton (36:25) - RHOA (41:39) - Designer Clothes and Wedding Dress Shopping (54:45) - Natalie From Temptation Island Joins (01:14:39) - Fake Names (01:16:37) - Morning Routines (01:22:40) - Therapy (01:27:15) - More White Lotus (01:28:42) - Outro Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @vlfuller @natcruzzz @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @the_mare_bare @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell 

What's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of reality recap a special edition of reality recap because it's Wednesday You have to say welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality it's Wednesday! Wait, I thought you had to say welcome back to another episode of the Vilephiles Reality Recap edition. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Welcome back to another episode of the Vilephiles Reality Recap edition. It did seem a little off. It did, it wasn't right.

Yeah. Welcome back, Victoria. First of all, Victoria wants us to make a public service announcement. Obviously, we are back in our little pop-up studio. A food truck. Yeah. Listen, things, you know,

we have a lot of equipment here, but like not everything came. So our lighting is, you know, not where it's gonna end up being. Right, less than favorable. Less than, and so Victoria came in really pissed off at me. Just a little, you know, a little annoyed given the fact that just my face.

So if you saw yesterday's episode, I am wearing a lot of powder today and I am so sorry about that. Nick said, glow up. Next time you come back to this particular place, if there is a next time. Oh my God. He's like, Ed, I will be the judge of that.

Well, no, no, no, I'm just saying like, we'll just see if we're still here, you know, kind of. Right, right. Because we are in Miami on wheels. I promise you better lighting, you know, then you will like glow up, so to speak. Thank you so much, yes. Please don't judge Victoria's face.

Or mine while you're at it. Yeah, it would be nice. Anyway, congratulations again to Grant and Juliana. Yes. Great. Excellent. Latia, we finally watched Latia's, well, we watched, Victoria was watching two brothers jerk each other off.

Oh my God. White lotus. Yeah, so sick. Yeah, that was gross. But yeah, so what do we think of Latia's, what do we call it, her case that she pleaded? Listen, I think she has a strong case. I think she definitely brought the receipts, you know, her being like- Did she though?

Well, he didn't dispute any of them. He wasn't like, I actually never gave you a journal to write your feelings. Here's a question. Here's a question. Here's a question. When someone says, I'm gonna bring the receipts, does that require you bringing anything physically tangible or can it just be your, is your truth a receipt?

I think it's just like a term nowadays. I think it used to be- Like everything at gaslighting? Yeah, I think it used to be like physical evidence and now it's just like, I'm bringing the receipts and it's like in my mind. Well it used to be like what you get when you buy something. I'm bringing the receipts. And it's like, in my mind. Well, it used to be like what you get when you buy something. I'm bringing the receipts, you gaslighting narcissist.

And then she'll be like, yeah, you told me you liked me the most. Yeah, she's like, and these are the receipts. From my memory. From my memory. So as long as you hold out your hand and read your truth from the palm of your hand, you're like, and then, and then you said I was the one.

Yeah. But he didn't dispute any of it. He wasn't like, oh, I actually didn't say that. You know, I said something else. Which I really think pissed off Latia. Yeah. Because like, I felt like Grant said, as Grant has all season long, very kind, very thoughtful, very empathetic man, came out,

knew he was gonna take some punches. At any moment he looked like he could cry. I wasn't sure if that was a performance, if that was real. Really? He came out very, just very. Yeah, he was nervous. Very. Well, also his fiance was listening to Latia be like, and you told me that on the second date,

you, I was the one and you told my mom. And on the third date and then the group date, and then every day you said I was it. You said you liked me the most. Wait, no way. And on the third date and on the group date and then like every day you said I was it. You said you liked me the most. Wait, no way. But that wasn't on camera. He's like, all right, that's enough. Wrap it up, wrap it up, wrap it up, wrap it up.

He's like, you're gonna wanna stop talking. Have you ever like brought the receipts or spoke your truth to someone? And that their response was honestly like as thoughtful and as kind, as empathetic as possible, and it pissed you off because you wanted to get into it with them. Yeah, for sure. I felt like that's what would happen last night.

It's like whenever I remember when I was a teenager growing up and my mom would get mad at me for something and I would just say, okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And she'd be like, stop it. Yeah, damn it, fight with me. That was grand. He was like, no, stop it. Yeah, damn it, fight with me. That was grand.

He was like, no, I'm really sorry. I definitely hurt you and I'm so sorry and you're the best and I'm the worst and you are so wonderful and I'm absolutely terrible. And I'm an idiot. And I'm an idiot and I have to own that. And she was like, well, let me just repeat exactly what I repeated before

because I'm so really pissed and honestly, and you always can kind of tell where the crowd's going because they boo, they cheer. They brought out Latia, she spoke her truth, then they brought out Grant and he got quite a warm welcome. Really? So, yeah.

An applause if you will. An applause. It was like, you know what? They're like, actually we don't really care about anything she said, bring them out. I feel for Latia in the sense, cause I've been there twice in her position. And it's just like you, listen,

like your truth or whatever happens, you feel so intense. It happened to her, she did get let on clearly. Like her motions were fucked with by a lot of people, not just Grant. But the entire Bachelor Nation, the audience, everyone, like this is the show.

It's kind of like we lack a little like, it's like in the real world, it's like, don't do that. The empathy's not there, but in Bachelor world, it's like, babe, hey. You're like, that's life. This is the big leagues. Yeah. And you're gonna wanna move on.

Quickly. Yeah, like right now. I was a little disappointed that nobody asked Juliana how she felt about Latia's exit. Oh, that's a good, yeah. I was thinking that too. I was like, I wonder if Juliana is gonna say something on her own accord and be like, by the way,

love to also give my support to Latia. I know obviously she feels this way, you know. But yeah. Did she not? She's stuck by her man. She did. Well, she wasn't asked and it wasn't like, and what is she gonna say? She's gonna say, here's what she's gonna, I promise you, there's gonna be some version of,

it's obviously a very difficult situation for everyone. I love Latia, she's amazing and blah, blah, blah. And obviously like Grant was, you know, I don't condone what he did, but obviously like he is a great man and he obviously didn't mean it. And like, it's just a very difficult situation. Yeah, for sure.

All right, asked and answered. Here we go. So, you know again, that's sad. They did announce a Bachelor in Paradise once again. Why'd you write Justice for Zoe, Leia? Like, what do you mean? Well, I wrote that before I watched the last three seconds of the show and she was brought out.

I just felt like she wasn't there at Women Tell All. She was the end of the season. She got, well, I mean. She got the last 45 seconds. And. They're like, I will bring out Zoe for the next 30 seconds. Yeah, but Zoe the human, she was wonderful. It was 11 PM.

Basically she was still there because they forgot, because Grant forgot to send her home. Basically it was like, oh, Zoe, you're still here. They did her dirty. She got no, she got no hot seat. She didn't get to talk to Grant at Women Tell All. She didn't get to talk to Grant at Women Tell All. She didn't get to talk to Grant at AFR. What was she gonna talk about? Maybe she had something to say, but no one asked.

They're like, no, you don't. How did it feel not to get a one-on-one, Zoe? No, but even then they sit her down, and then it's like as if they're gonna announce her as the next Bachelorette, and then they're like, so how do you feel about Bachelor in Paradise? Oh my God, the longest question ever. The golden Bachelor in Paradise. It was like, so how do you feel about Bachelor in Paradise? The golden Bachelor in Paradise.

It was like so. They are combining, right? Is that what they're doing? Combining. Yes. So they're allowing like baby Jess to possibly date, like what was his? Guys, age gaps are in.

What was his name? Kevin or something? No, Jack. It's your grandfather. Like, is that really, they're doing that or is? It sounds like the rules are, there are no rules. I'm gonna throw up. Yeah, it's like it's-

The fact that- Listen. I will watch. It's a looks thing. I always say when it comes to age gaps, looks matter. It's disgusting is what it is. What? Yeah.

Okay, tell us how you really feel. No, not you guys. You're not her grandfather. Like and thank God I now have this face to finally tell you, I wasn't comfortable to say it at your wedding, but I think your age gets disgusting. You fucked me on the lighting, you guys are gross. And I hate you guys.

No, I think that someone that old, and this is an age discrimination, I just think it's dirty and it makes me feel weird. When I think about a girl who's in her 20s, it's almost like- You got a biologic? Yes, it's almost like she's being taken advantage of, in my opinion, and it could go the opposite way too.

It's like an older woman and a younger guy. I just think it feels icky, where it's like you have all this life experience and then you're gonna like prey on a 20 year old. Well, it's weird that they are 60s and 70s for sure. That's what I'm saying. That is just too much for me. It's too much, I can't watch it.

I can't look at it. I don't want to. I think it's a look thing. Maybe. How much more is a 70 year old gonna take advantage than a four year old? I think there's a lot of life to live between 40 and 70.

Sure, but yeah. Yeah, I think it's weird. It is, there is something different about like a 70 year old man who looks 70, looks like a grandfather is a grandfather. Yes. And is like, oh, so what'd you have for breakfast? And we have to watch them try to make a connection

with these younger, yeah, I don't know. They missed the mark on that one. Do you think that's gonna happen? No, I really hope they're just coming in to give advice. I just hope one of the hot young gentlemen are like, so Leslie, he just goes into a confessional and he's just like, there's just something about her. I can't, I don't know, I can't watch it.

Victoria won't be tuning in. I will not be tuning in. So sorry about that. You lost a viewer. You don't wanna hear she's aged so gracefully? I think that older women are beautiful in their own right and they should bury her in their, and they should date people.

At what age are you just gonna give up? I'm not very giving up. Never. Never. Never. How old do you wanna live to? Hopefully 100. You do.

Yeah. No matter how you look? Yeah, it's not about being vain. It's not about being vain. It's about, I don't wanna. What if you're like deaf and blind and you can't walk and your teeth are all. So I'm Helen Keller. So I'm Helen Keller. Perfect. It's about, I don't want to. What if you're like deaf and blind and you can't walk and your teeth are all.

So I'm Helen Keller. So I'm Helen Keller, perfect. Yeah. And your teeth are fall out and you're like. Then I probably wouldn't want to live. Okay. I probably would want to die. But at that point I can't even see myself or hear myself.

So. That's true. Or eat anything but like a smoothie. Well, speaking of giving up, Garcelle has announced her exit from Beverly Hills Housewives. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

Who's out of here? I mean, it makes sense. And she's coming back for in paradise. No, she's not. Well, she found out that she can get her hands on some fresh meat. Stop. Honestly, it was time for Garcelle to, you know.

Exit, yeah. It was just like the same drama over and over again with her. And I love her. I met her at an event and I think she's lovely. But it was like the same storyline over and over. Yeah. And she never really. I feel like maybe if she would have been willing to like like her and Sutton kind of be able to go at it, but I feel like they have such a real friendship.

I love it. That they're just like, this isn't worth, you know? They're like, listen, like, that's what I think. And I'm sorry, and I love you. She also does have like a lot of other work going on. That's what I was gonna say. She also has so much going on now. She's like a director and stuff, and she's an actress.

So I think she doesn't need the show as much as the other ladies. Does it have to do with her sons? Is that what she said in the thing or no? Well, she, you know, it's like, yeah, she wants to spend more time with her family and her one son is in school, the other one's starting some career.

She just wants to be present for the kiddos. I like that. I love that. Well, did you see that a United Airlines flight? I would be. Please stop. No, no. A United Airlines flight had to turn around two hours into its journey from LA to Shanghai

after it was discovered that the pilot had forgotten their passport. What? I'm sorry, sir. Like their one job is to remember things. Like they're not allowed to forget things. Like, you know what? They're like in the middle of the air and they're like, actually we gotta turn around.

He's like this, you know he's like this. Yeah. You know what happened? His wife sent him a photo of the passport he forgot. On the kitchen counter. And kind of like, do you need this? Right? I mean how else midair?

That's exactly what happened. That's exactly what happened. Oh. Do you think it was the pilot or co-pilot? If it was the co-pilot, then we're definitely not turning around. It says the aircraft diverted to San Francisco where passengers were provided with meal vouchers.

Meal? Meal, wow, thank you. They're like, so we actually have to wait for his passport to be shipped here. So if you want to get some Shake Shack. Do you think it was from, so it was left in LA or Shanghai? It left in LA going to Shanghai. Okay. got two hours out and they were like, oh, got to turn around.

So they went to San Francisco. So not all the way back to LA. At least it wasn't like nine hours in, you know? It could always be worse. It could always be worse. Nine hours in would be crazy. And they're like, actually, they could have forgotten the pilot himself. Why can't he just not get into the country?

Would they have flown back for anyone else who forgot their passport? Yeah. Good question. I mean, I did use the pilot, but who gives a fuck? Like, am I just a passenger in seat 52? It's just wild. Pilot, they obviously care about pilots

more than they care about us. Yeah, they do not give a shit about their customers. Mm-hmm, yeah. No, they don't. Well, Snow White is currently rated as one of the worst movies of all time. Sierra's on. Sierra's rating at a 2.1 out of 10.

Sierra, you're a movie buff. You saw it. And I'm a Disney girl. I'm curious your opinion, because obviously as everything else in this world, everything's been politicized, everything takes a side, but politics aside, when it comes to this movie, what did you think of this movie?

I think that the rating is accurate. Why did it suck? I went in fully wanting to love it. With all of the fodder around it, wanting to love it, it's Disney. One, I wish I didn't hear Rachel Zegler's comments about how it's not the 1937 version because it follows the formula to a T even more so than most of the live action movies. So it's the exact same story. I don't think Disney's figured out musicals at the moment.

Every two minutes it's a new song and none that we know. So it's just like- So it's not wicked. None that we know and none that we know. So it's just like- So it's not wicked? None that we know. None that we know. Maybe one. What's wrong with, they didn't have, I don't, they didn't want to pick the old songs?

Yeah, like it's, there's like whistle while you work. There's a couple old songs, but it's like every five minutes it's a new song. And it just- I hate that. Yeah, like there's more songs than there is dialogue. The costuming is kind of cheesy. Gal Gadot has a song in there

that really just shouldn't be in there. It's just, it's- Does Gal sing? I didn't- No. No, okay. But she does in this movie. Okay.

That I know of. But yeah, no, it- Harsh. Shade. Yeah, I'm sorry. I really wanted to love it. I really did. And I was even looking at Connor, I dragged him to it and I was just like, I'm sorry. I really wanted to love it. I really did. And I was even looking at Connor,

I dragged him to it and I was just like, I'm sorry. Oh no. I'm so sorry. Would you have left like halfway through if? I'm not really, I don't like to like walk out of movies and I always like have in my mind, I'm like, maybe it's gonna get better. And then it's like, ah, this must be ending soon. And to be, it's an hour and 36 minutes,

but it feels like it's two hours and 30 minutes. Yeah, wow. So you clapped and it was over because it was done. Oh yeah, it's done. By the time it's like, oh, maybe this will be, get better. It's like, no, why is this happening? Okay, no, the costumes. I will say the sets, I'm assuming it's AI of some sort

because it literally looks like they're in Thomas Kinkade paintings. It's beautiful, but yeah, no, you could wait for streaming for that. Have you ever wanted to clap after sex because it was so bad, Victoria? Oh, what? How did we get here?

Because it's bad? Well, I'm just like, you know, the idea of like something being done and you clap and everyone's like, oh, clap. And then you're like, well, it's the only cause it's done. Yeah, I guess maybe once or twice. Now that I think about it, I didn't really think about it. Yeah, I'm maybe once or twice. Now that I think about it, I didn't really think about it.

Yeah, I'm like, yeah! Time to go home. That was horrible. Thank God you're done. Yeah, I guess so. There's nothing worse than a guy, you know, for a guy when it's like, you get that look. Yeah.

You're just like, whenever you're, are you ready? Are you done? You done there? Okay. Whenever you're done, I'm done. Yeah, it's like for sure. It's like you just do the head turn and you're like, okay. And the guy's like, are you okay?

And you're like, mm-mm. Yeah. Why do you know that so much? I always wonder if... I mean, you know, we're all human, you know? I wonder if guys, I always wondered if guys like could pick up on that. Because they just seem like they're in their own world. You know.

I'm like, I'm not actually here. Are you just kidding? I'm like, I'm not actually here. I'm like, I'm not actually here. I'm like, I'm not actually here. I'm like, I'm not actually here. I'm like, I'm not actually here. I'm like, I'm not actually here. I'm like, I'm not actually here. I'm like, I'm not actually here. I'm like guys and I always wondered if guys like could pick up on that because they just seem like they're in their own world you know I'm like I'm not actually here. When you say like are you close though it's like they

think it's cuz it's a good thing and you're like no no yes I'm exactly yeah I picked up a long time ago I was like all right it's time. Yeah you're almost done. She wants this to end. You start to me. Yeah, you start like talking really dirty so they finish. Yeah. You say some crazy shit. Crazy shit. You're like, God, anything.

Yeah. No, I've never been there. I've been there. Once or twice. Like the way that, oh, if you could like put it between my toe and wrap it around. Put it in my ear.

Toe? Yeah. Yeah, you start saying the craziest shit. Yeah, whoop. That's life. And then, because he's down for anything in that moment, and then you have that post-nut clarity, and he's like, oh, oh.

Yeah. I didn't mean any of that. Seriously, though. You can see it in his face, too. It got so weird, the next 20 minutes, he's always like checking in. It's like, how are you? Are you okay?

Are we good? You're so beautiful. What's wrong? I love you. What's wrong? What's wrong? It's true. It's so true.

Oh my God. Speaking of crazy sex stories, should we talk about White Lotus? So you finally watched. I did. I didn't love it. I didn't love it. I don't know, like Mike White.

Mike's watching too much porn, clearly. Yeah. Did you see that the next morning they were in each other's shorts? And people are like, does that mean they had sex? Or does that mean is there like a deeper? No, I mean they were naked on drugs when they got dressed.

I think that was just like, full of little piece of rig. Yeah, he's just like, exactly. That's what I thought too. But I did go there in my mind. I mean, it was already kind of fucked up enough. I don't- Yeah.

It just made me feel uncomfortable. Me too. Patrick Schwarzenegger crushed the reaction though. Oh my God. Him just being like- He's so good. Yeah, he's really good. He's really good. Like crazy good's really good. He's really good.

Like crazy good. Whose situation would you wanna be in the least from like everybody on this show? Definitely not interested in jerking off my brother. Yeah, definitely. Like you wake up on a Monday morning and you're one of these people. Like what's the biggest nightmare here?

Like tax, like going to prison. The dad. Yeah. Like wanting to kill yourself. Definitely one of the three girlfriends because that's all first world problems so far. You don't want to be one of them? No, that's the best situation.

Oh, the best situation. That's the person you want to be the least. Because their problems are all like first world problems so far that we know of. Also, I know this is like not, this is a hot take, controversial take. I'm team Jacqueline. I like her.

She was there for her friend. She was like, you know, hey, you should hook up at the hottie, hook up at the hottie, hook up at the hottie. She couldn't close it. Jacqueline's married. She's also, yeah. So Jacqueline's married? She is married.

I thought it was like a boyfriend situation. She had a whole conversation with her husband the next day. Well, I forgot, yeah, I forgot about that. Okay, mine is- You know what, fuck that though. Relationship, vacation. Relationship aside. Totally, I forgot, yeah, I forgot about that. Okay, mine is. Yeah, you're like, you know what, fuck that though. Relationship, vacation. Relationship aside.

Totally, I forgot about that, I forgot about that. Yeah, so that's fucked up, I'm wrong. Let's pretend that Jacqueline's character is not in a relationship. Okay. Because that happens all, like with friends, it happens with guys too, it happens with girls, you go on vacation, like then you meet a group of people

and then all the single people, it's a little bit of like, that's all friendly but it's also a little competitive, it's a little dancing, of people, and then all the single people, it's a little bit of like, that's all friendly, but it's also a little competitive, it's a little dancing, you know? And- And she was saying, Lori was saying like, you've done this since high school, like you haven't changed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. So it was like, yeah. But maybe Lori could never close, and Jacqueline was like- She's not a closer. Not closer. But maybe Lori thought she had some time because she was the only single one. Yeah, that's true. She's like, I'll take it slow. She's like, I'll take it slow, I'm here not a closer. Not a closer. But maybe Lori thought she had some time because she was the only single one.

Yeah, that's true. She's like, I'll take it slow. I'll take it slow. I'm here for a week. Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, if it's like a sports matter for, you know, you're always passing the ball to your teammate because it's like, all right, they need some points.

So you keep trying to give them the assist. Well, how many times before they brick it, are you going to be like, you know what, I'm just going to go ahead and take this shot because. Before they brick it. Shooters got to like, you know what, I'm just gonna go ahead and take the shot because. Before they brick it. Shooters gotta shoot. Shooters gotta shoot. Period.

I did think Leslie Bibb, what's her character's name? What is her character's name? Oh yeah, what is her name? Does she have a name? She's the independent. Yeah. Kate. Kate, really?

Kate, that's her name. I would not have guessed. No, I'm like, that's her name. I would not have guessed. I know, I'm like, what is her name? She's Leslie Bibb. Leslie Bibb, whenever she was like, it was the most relatable, these three women are so good at delivering actual facial expressions

and scenarios that happen, like her telling her, being like, oh my God, and guess who was leaving her room? Yeah. And then she sees her getting mad. She's like, I thought, I didn't know you were gonna be mad. So do you think her character was being honest about not realizing how trigger it was gonna be,

or do you think she likes the drama and she was pretending? No, I think she was like, let's talk shit, how we always talk shit, and then like, oh no, wait, you're mad, oh fuck. And then it wasn't gonna be a thing after, but then Lori took it to the next level. When Lori wraps it out.

When she's like, fuck. Yeah. She went right there. I'm like, you guys are crazy. And I'm gonna say in your single days, not sure how wiped up you are. Well, we'll see after this weekend. After this weekend.

But I'm sure you've been out with the girlfriends before. Do you, have you ever felt like you've had friends try to compete with you that it was like, why are we? No, no, listen, I've been out with Victoria before and the way that men will be just be like, oh my God, like crawling all over Victoria and will be just be like, oh my God, like crawling all over Victoria. And it makes you be like, I also thought I was hot, but clearly I am not.

It's like, you're walking with Victoria, being like, we're two bad bitches. And then everyone's obsessed with Victoria. You're like, it's perfect. Shut the fuck up. It's cause you're married. I'll be going home. It's cause you're married and they know

it's all over the internet. For sure. That is why. But it really is humbling to go in public with Victoria Fuller because it is. Shut up. Yeah. No.

So I can only imagine what her friends who get to go out with her constantly is like wishing y'all the best. Good luck out there. No, it's, I actually feel like I always am giving my friends like the guy. Sure. Yeah.

And the guy's like, no, no. Was hoping for you. Yeah. And then what if, you know. I actually had this situation happen to me recently with a friend and she got so upset with me and it's just so stupid. I can't even talk about it, But in guys world and like I was,

I would always have like friends. There's always a couple of friends who, you know, maybe struggled to close at times. Yeah. And if we'd go out and there'd be a group of girls, whatever they would go like dips. Oh, you know what I'm saying? They would, we'd meet a group of people and before we even knew names.

Yeah, like green shirt's mine. Yeah. Well this actually- And I'd be like, okay, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see if green shirt's yours, sweetheart, by the end of tonight. And then they would get mad when green shirt and I were vibing.

And I'm like, in what world was I supposed to just sit around and watch you strike out? Exactly. Well, and what did the girl in the green shirt look like? And what is her name? First and last, please. I will be finding her tonight. She's imaginary.

I actually had this happen to me recently. Who are the guys you're upset like to Victoria more than you? Strangers. Strangers. Like honestly, they could have been all the grandpas from Golden Bachelor and I'm like, what the fuck? What about me?

I'm like, yeah, excuse me, ma'am. You can just move over the girl in the green. Shut up. Very true. Not to mention you've been like pregnant and married. So it's like, they're hitting on you while you're pregnant. That's insane. No, God no.

God no. No, the one time I had an interaction with a man while I was pregnant, it was me walking across the street when I wasn't supposed to be and the man said, move it, badass. So it's been fun. It was fun. Yeah. No, I don't believe you. Yeah, he did. Why? And I said, I'm pregnant, what's your excuse?

And you probably had like your cute little crop top on with your belly up. Yeah, that I thought was really cute. That is horrible. And then I look back at photos of me, like there's like a couple, this chambliss will constantly send me these like random paparazzi photos of me

while I'm pregnant, and it is jarring. I was doing the crop top and the shorts and it was not working for me. Sure it was. Yes it was. When I see those photos. Yes it was. Cause it was a slow gradual process

of you getting more and more pregnant. And it was like, you look great. I loved it. I thought you had, cause you used your bump as an accessory. It was. I thought it was so cute. It was.

I agree. When we went to Toronto and we did Alex's live show and we posted that video and it went like, got like 10 million views, you looked stunning. Aw. Yeah, you, I thought you were the cutest by comparison. You came out like as baddie with a baby. Yeah.

It was like, people were quite taken with it. And you were like, I felt like you, you felt so confident too with it. I definitely did until I look back at it. You know what I didn't personally take of myself. And I'm like, oh. Those paparazzi photos, they're never. They're never flattering for any of us.

Well, no one can accuse you of staging those photos. That is true. I definitely would have posed. Well, they can, but they actually probably will still accuse you. Yeah, they will. I have had plenty of like really ugly paparazzi photos and people like, I don't stage. And I'm like, why?

You're like, why would I want that out there? You don't think I would have maybe applied some lotion and maybe like stood up a little straighter or sucked in? Looked so grumpy or pissed, like you wanna kill someone? They called the paparazzi on themselves. Did you hear that speaking of Leslie Bibb, she revealed that Heather Dubrow, brand of show,

played a role in developing her White Lotus character. Really? Is it she like met with Heather or she just watched some Heather? I was gonna say, cause she kind of does give Heather Dubrow vibes. I was at a party last week. I wanted to add an Armani.

I'll say it, Armani. I went to an Armani. Nope. I went to an Armani. I'll say it, Armani. I went to an Armani. Nope. I went to an Armani. Armani? There we go. Got it. Anyways, I saw Leslie Bibb there.

She was very lovely. Did you talk? No. I was like, love the show. She was very lovely. Did you talk? No. He's like, I have no additions.

She was very lovely from afar. She looked very kind to the people she was talking to. She was smiling a lot. Justin came as my plus one. I was the Natalie. I don't like bothering people. Good, good. Yeah. Justin was forcing me to talk to people.

No, but he was willing. Well, I feel like, yeah, Nick's like refuses to go up to someone. I'm like, it's Drew Barrymore, go over there, give her your number. I remember that. You like walked up to her. She gave me her number and Drew Barrymore, go over there, give her your number. I remember that. Tell her, yeah. You like walked up to her. She gave me her number,

and it must've been a fake number, because she never responded. Oh. Can you imagine? Did it go to iMessage or Drew Barrymore? It's like, yeah, sure, it's 9-1-1. Call me. It's like what we do when guys ask for our numbers,

and we give them fake numbers. Literally. So she just like gave him some random number. And then they're like, all right, I'm just gonna. Like, I'm gonna go ahead and call you really quick. Your phone, is it on silent or? Yeah. Aw, did it go green or was there iMessage?

It was an iMessage. Oh, so then she just didn't reply. She was just like, no. It was her number. Yuck. She was like, yeah, I regret it. She's like, yucko. Yeah, and I guess, yeah, Leslie was saying something

about how, something about like apologizing, but not really saying you're sorry at the, I don't know, what was the exact quote? Just the way that they're able to like, insult each other and it's kind of tied up in a nice little bow. So that's kind of where you see the subtle shade with a smile.

Heather's very good at that. Exactly. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, she is. It's like she's apologizing for the person she's apologizing to. Yeah, that's true.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you're poor. Yeah. Not my problem, but I am sorry for you. Boy, those decisions seven years ago, you probably would have done something differently

if you knew it would lead you to this moment, right? Sorry. That is kind of how she is Heather's out of touchness love. I know I like it too. I want more of that in my housewives. I don't need relatable exactly Yeah, I don't want you to be relatable. Well before we get to both men talking shit about Justin's girl Sutton Just a quick reminder We do have Natalie from love Island later this episode to dish on some of the tea following the finale of said show which will be very helpful for us If we ever get a chance to talk to the rest of the cast

But it's a nice little setup. I think from Natalie. So that is later this episode So exciting stuff That's a little setup, I think, from Natalie. So that is later this episode. So exciting stuff. Baziminsane accuses Sutton of being mean. And says she's not the person she anticipated. She said in an interview, I'm very surprised at the Sutton who showed up in our conversations and in the season.

I am shocked by it because she's not the person I anticipated. I just didn't anticipate that Sutton would be so mean. So I don't know who this version of a person is and whether or not she is trustworthy from now on out. I have no idea. I feel like she's one of those people that I will watch my back with.

So is she kind of saying like on camera, she's different than off camera? Is that basically what that means? Or at least she heard, you know, she just assumed she would be nicer or heard she was nice, or maybe she was listening to this podcast and heard Justin being like, oh my God, I met her in person

and she was just like, lovely and amazing and then she got to meet her. And she was like, your wallet doesn't match. Ooh, remember that? Well, if I'm Boseman, like who for everything we know about her is very self-made, very independently successful, Netflix executive, entrepreneur,

like independently wealthy, like has dealt with her own trauma, her own tragedy, certainly Sutton has as well. We've heard her talk about her father and things like that. But if you're Boseman and you're looking at Sutton, it might be a little harder to respect Sutton, you know? Like Sutton's like money comes from not her husband. And like, it's just like when Bazaman chooses not to throw her money in other people's faces

and I would be a little more critical of Sutton. You know, because it's like, you don't need to act this way. I don't act this way. Why are you acting this way? You know, in a way that like maybe can come across as a bit mean and entitled and privileged. I could see that. But I think that that's kind of like the charm about her is that she doesn come across as a bit mean and entitled and privileged. I could see that. But I think that that's kind of like the charm about her

is that she doesn't really care. She definitely doesn't give a fuck. No, I get a little bit. I think she cares. Really? Yeah. I feel like she says these things for like the Sure, but as soon as you go sudden,

you know that one, and she freaks out and then like she loses her fucking mind as soon as like someone's like, hey, but that one time you were kind of mean. Yeah, and she doesaks out and then she loses her fucking mind as soon as someone's like, hey, but that one time you were kinda mean. Yeah, and she does the damage control. She does not act unbothered. No, I just meant she says all this shit and it's really crazy and she doesn't care what she's saying.

In the moment, I guess. She does care if people correct her. Come for her afterwards, yeah. If people say they don't like it, then she gets upset. Yeah. Yes. She's like, well wait, I'm don't like it, then she gets upset. Yeah. Yes. She's like, well, wait, I'm sorry, I'm just being honest. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

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And it's like, do we agree that Portia has a right to be upset that Drew is hanging out or like making music with her baby daddy? Yes. I think definitely and to the extent of like wanting to- What was it, Bro Drew? How is it in her phone? She was like, he's strictly a friend.

It's very professional and then it zoomed in on his name and her phone, Dennis Bro. It was like, ah. Stop trying so hard. Sure. Buddy, Dennis, guy I'm not fucking. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like my angel on earth.

The editors did her dirty this episode too with the, we never talk, we only text. And then it's like her on the phone, like on speed from being like, hey, what's going on? Yeah, yeah. What did you think of, was it Shemeah calling? Yeah, Angela. Yes. Shemeah calling Angela like-

Latoya. Latoya Jackson. And then Portia goes, hee hee. It was so dirty and so wrong. And I loved every second of it. I loved one of them being like, well, how did we get here? How did we go? And she's just like, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Just like her nose. Like it was just like, whoa. She's like, wait, why are we coming for people's personal looks? They listen, Atlanta doesn't hold back, but it also feels like they don't take it so seriously. Like I feel like if that joke was said

with Beverly Hills or with, you know, Tamra or something, like they would, yeah like they would be so upset. It would last three episodes long, this fight. You called me LaToya Jackson. You made fun of my nose, John. I've had girlfriends who I would have been like, you can't talk to me that way. And I'm like, I can't deal with that level of intensity.

And they'd be like, well, this is just how me and my family talk. And I'm like, okay, no, that- That checks out. That makes well, this is how me and my family talk. And I'm like, okay, no, that. That checks out. That makes sense, but not for me. So maybe that's just, yeah, it seems maybe Atlanta, it's just like. Yeah, that's like what they do.

They're just used to like, if you're friends and you're just kind of, you're at each other's throats, it's less maybe triggering. Some people can't, I was like, I can't. I hate this. It's like, am I not supposed to take you seriously when you call me a fucking idiot with nothing going for me? Or like, or is that, we're joking?

Okay. It was a joke. Also Drew saying that she like tried to talk to Portia about the dentist and she's like, I asked her twice what she was doing. When they were showing the text messages, it's like, hey girl, you back in town? Yeah, like wanna get drinks? And she's like, oh, gotta cancel, something came up.

And she's like, I tried and she didn't want to listen. So not once was there a text that was like, Hey, I have something really important to talk to you about. Hey, I just want to run something by you. Just give me a call. Just give me a call. FaceTime. Run it by you really quickly. No, that was, that was crazy. Also, Kenya, the whole difference between whore and hoe, is there, is there? Listen, I do think- Whore is definitely worse, right? Yeah. Whore is worse. No, hoe is like a term of endearment.

I feel like hoe is like bitch, if it's in the right way. Like, you're a hoe. My bitch. Yeah. Whore? What's up whore? Yeah, that one is, that's hard. That's bad. That's really bad. So I, that one is, that's hard. That's bad. That's really bad.

So I agree that there is definitely a difference. I also do feel like whore isn't used as much as it once was. I agree. I haven't heard that word in a long time. Whore? Yeah. Bring it back? No, please don't.

Never bring it back, ever. Sounded like a gripe. No, no, no, it was just like, oh wow, everyone's leveled up. Yeah. We've kind of stopped calling women whores. Bring it back whore. Whore, it's so dirty.

It's so dirty. It's super dirty. It's like, what are we even talking about? It's not even the same word, it's hoe. It's not, not even, no. No. Hoe has like a bubbly feeling to it. Yeah, hoe's like, ho, ho, ho, ho.

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But yeah, that was an interesting, I was an interesting drink order, but happy to see them make up. Yeah, it was like, what was even their fight about? Just Kelly kind of talking shit about Portia, but not really knowing Portia and Portia's whole thing being like, you don't know me. Oh yeah, being like she didn't let her husband

like leave that or something. It was about like his previous. Yeah. It's just nonsensical bullshit, but I'm glad that they made up. And then we had Kelly's bomb on mommy and me event. Also these housewives, these Elena housewives really do do things different.

Kelly's daughter that was like her 17th birthday got like 17 bags and they were all like designer bags. And I was just like, no yeah. Born into the wrong family. Yeah. What the fuck? Buying designer clothes for your like young children

to me is the most insane thing you could spend your money on. Really? Yeah, because they grow out of it so fast. Jojo Siwa very graciously and kindly gifted River when she was born, like Gucci outfits, along with a Gucci diaper bag. The Gucci diaper bag is stunning. The outfits are really cute,

but they're like archival pieces. Like I'm like, I will never, she can't get like spaghetti stains on this Gucci romper. Yeah, but you could take pictures for it. That's where my mind goes. Like after your wedding when you just trash the dress. Yeah, like you can just get cute photos on it. I did not do that, it is preserved.

Yeah. I got it in a museum cleaned and it is preserved in a box. Are you gonna wear it again? Tomorrow. Tomorrow. You know, like a renewal or like a bow renewal or something like tenure. Would you ever wear it again?

I guess is the question. Probably because it's, yeah, I probably would. I think it's so classic that I definitely would if we did something. It would be like a fun, yeah, like full circle moment, I think, but I don't know. I love your dress. I know I love it too.

Stunning. It was so good. What'd you do with the Friday dress, the river? Oh, they just let me borrow that. Really? The sink girls, yeah. Wow. I didn't buy it.

Oh, that's nice. Lucky you, Nick. Yeah. Yeah. No, I actually bought all my wedding dresses. No, you didn't. With your own money? Mm-hmm.

Aw. That's criminal. Who was supposed to buy it? You. You get to marry her. I got her a wedding. How lucky are you? How lucky are you?

Do you remember when we were at that first bridal shop and I was like, saying yes to the dress. I am saying yes to the dress. We like popped champagne. He's like, all right, if you want to put the $5,000 deposit down right now. I was like, oh. And Nick was like, maybe we should look at other places

first too, before we decide on the first place. It was literally the first stop we went to. We had two more stores to go to that weekend. And it was like, maybe let's not put $5,000 down right now. And thank God I did. I had to convince you not to. She was like, but I bought it. I know.

I was like, but you don't understand. This is the one. It was not the one. And we already popped the champagne. It was not the one. It was not. It was literally about like, but what am I supposed to tell them?

I'm like, you'll be back? Cause we had done the whole, we did the whole thing. He was like, are you saying yes to the dress? You had a, you had a take back seat on the dress. Oh yeah. Yeah. She had to.

I had to. I was like, so, um. Well, that's his fault. He pressured you into a purchase that you weren't ready for. He did. He did. I wasn't prepared. It's like when you test drive a car and you sit in,

it's like, wait, it's your new car. And you're like, is it? I, you know, cars sales, when I test drive a car and you sit in, it's like, wait, it's your new car. And you're like, is it? Cars put sales, many people do. When I first bought a car, my very first real car, like a brand new car, everything before that was just like some beater. I basically drove in to the dealership and honestly, I don't think my car was going to work.

I don't know. On the way out. Honestly, it wasn't gonna get home. And I was kind of, I got a job, or like a real job, but I hadn't started the real job yet. And I knew I was getting fucked. I knew I was getting a bad deal. And they put my old license plate on the new car.

It's kind of like a, well, it's yours now. And I kind of was like, I guess, but like I definitely could have gotten out of it. But they just like. Wait, that's so awkward. I hate that story. I basically didn't wanna be like, well, I don't know gotten out of it, but they just like. Wait, that's so awkward. I hate that story. I basically didn't want to be like, well, I don't know if I want it yet.

And they're like, yeah. They do pressure you. Yeah. It is crazy how like, you'll be afraid to say something because you don't want to hurt. Like we had some people helping us like move some pieces of ours.

And I was looking at all the pieces that had arrived and I was like, wait wait I think like maybe this artwork that was passed down from my great-grandfather isn't here I'm not seeing it next like why don't you ask the guy I'm like I don't want to make him feel like he lost it right right right it's like a nice I you need to be like, excuse me, where is my artwork? Where is my shit? Well, I think that's a woman thing too. Definitely. I think we've been conditioned to do that

over a long period of time where we're like scared to speak up because we don't wanna make the man uncomfortable. I'm the opposite. I'm more like, what the fuck? Well, cause you're a man. And then he's just like, oh, but it's, oh, sorry. No, like when you're getting your nails done, you're like, do you like this color?

I'm like, yeah, starting. I, oh, sorry. No, like when you're getting your nails done, you're like, do you like this color? And you're like, I love it. Love this neon yellow. Yeah. You're like scared to like change anything or they'll be like, do you like the shape? I'm like, yeah. I do. I know I lived like this for three weeks.

There is no, there's very few greater like powers than to be able to like sit in an uncomfortable situation and not give a fuck and you just stare at the other person and wait for them to respond. Oh God, nightmare. Oh my God, I thrive. That feels, no. It's like my favorite.

I'll just be like, yeah, no. Nick is one of those. I could not be more zen in this room full of anxiety. I love that for you. I'm just like, this is my resting state guys. This like, welcome to my world. He's always like, listen, if you don't want to be the bad, tell them it's me.

Tell them it's my fault. Tell them like I'm the one who doesn't want. Tell them that I did blame everything. Yeah, and she does. And she does. And I'm like, blame me, I'll call. Yeah. I like that.

I'm like, listen, I don't like this dress on me. Yeah, I'm like, I hate it. It's really mad right now. My husband doesn't like this dress on me. So I have to return it, I'm so sorry. right now. My husband doesn't like this dress on me. So I have to return it. I'm so sorry. You did do that though. You're like, my husband says I have to wait.

I did. Yeah. Because he probably was like blaming on me. And I was like, okay. That's a good dynamic though. Do you remember being at that wedding dress shop and I was pregnant and I like passed out in the fitting room.

Oh yeah, I do remember that. And I had to tell the guy who helped me in dresses, he's like, are you okay? I'm like. She's on the floor, she can't move, she's hypoglycemic, she hasn't had any sugar all day. He was like, so what's wrong? And I was like, you can't tell anyone.

I'm pregnant. Yeah. He was like, okay, sure. He was like, I can't tell your family that's out there, they might be worried. No, you cannot tell anybody. She's like, I can't tell like your family that's out there. They might be married. No, you cannot tell anybody. She's like passed out on the floor. She's like, oh, so this is why you're getting married.

Oh, so it's not love. Yeah. So what are we gonna do about this fitting? I hear ya. And then he was like, I actually was once married to a woman and I was like, oh, he was like, and I'm married to a man. And I was like, okay.

You're like, this is so fun. So what are you gonna name your bastard child? Oh my God. It was quite an interesting experience. And then the lady who walked in. So sin. Oh yeah. The houseless lady who walked in.

There was a houseless lady who walked in and we were all like, ah. What do you mean houseless? Like homeless? Oh, you can't say that. You can't use that word. Houseless. Is that a new thing?

Unhoused. They're unhoused. An unhoused woman wandered in and we were the only. I just want to understand why is that different and more specifically better? Is this because it's new? Stigma, I think. Stigma?

Yeah, stigma. It's just like. So what happens when five years from now, we've all been saying unhoused, unhoused, all these unhoused people- Then we'll have to change it. Then we'll have to change it because like we've just- They'll have houses by then.

And they will have houses by then. Hopefully we'll have solved the problem. Yeah. By all means, I'd love, yeah. Yeah. Let's get everyone in a house. Cause I think home is like, home is where the heart is. Are they gonna go, so what about the charity?

Is it gonna be unhoused? What about the homeless not toothless? Toothless, toothless. What are you gonna do? Houseless not toothless. Unhoused. And untoothed. No teeth?

Justin. Nobody knows the title. No one knows the name of the charity. Yeah, still to this day. Homeless not toothless. And then the next day we went to a different shop and my mom was like sobbing, crying at one of the dresses and she was like, I think this is it.

And I was like, maybe it is. And then I accidentally showed Nick a picture in the car and he's like, I don't like it. I saw wings and I don't like it. Wings? I remember that. It had like long sleeves that went down and I was like, you have to pose every picture

with your arms up like this. I don't like it. I remember that and we all thought it was the one and Nick was like, you have to pose every picture with your arms up like this. I don't like it. I remember that. And we all thought it was the one. And Nick was like, I hate that. Is that the one your mom was crying over? Yeah, she was like sobbing. She loved it.

She was like, this is it Natalie. And Nick's like, what the fuck is that? I was like, look at this picture I took. If it was 1980, when you got married. I was like, it was pretty. I said that it was a picture I took of Jeff earlier. Oh my God, he was like, I don't know what that was. I don't know what I just saw but I'll be honest with you I don't like it. I

Was like well that takes that off my plate And then I was said blame me yeah, and we did send it back and blame me truly Well, all right. Well coming next, Natalie from Temptation Island joins us and she serves up some tea and some burning questions that I think will serve us well in the future. And then after Natalie, we'll come back and I do need to talk about my favorite online obsession, the, what's his name, Ashton?

Ashton? Ashton? I don't know. He's the ASMR daily routine guy. Now there's all these like viral videos of all these daily routines. I am curious about like what you guys do. the, what's his name, Ashton? Ashton? Ashton? I don't know, he's the ASMR daily routine guy. Now there's all these like viral videos of all these daily routines. I am curious about like what your morning routine is

because it is nice. Oh, mine? I think we talked about this before actually. Even though the entire internet is kind of like, it's like everyone's laughing at this guy and he's just more like embracing it. And you know, like it is kind of fascinating because his whole like shtick is just like a lifestyle.

And now people are picking it apart and questioning how real this lifestyle is. But then when you think about it, all he is is he's a online creator. And it's just like clearly, it's like he's doing the thing he wants, which is getting people to notice and talk about it and watch it over and over,

whether they like it, make fun of it, not make fun of it. Nobody's content is original. Everyone does it. But I was thinking more about it. He's mad that people are copying his morning routine. But he's unbothered because people also copied Jesus and Jesus didn't let it bother him. Yeah, Jesus didn't.

That's what he said. Also Champagne Poppy didn't. I feel like he did, Drake did this years ago. The morning routine? Yeah. Did he? ASMR style? Kind like years ago. The morning routine? Yeah. Did he? Yes, Marcel? Kind of.

Everybody does. Did he also wake up at 3 a.m.? And then my question is, I was thinking about it. If you're waking up at 3 a.m., like are you really an early riser at that point or did you just decide to work third shift? Well, when we come back, we'll discuss it. Here's Natalie.

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Hello, hello. I'm excited. We are excited as well. Thank you for taking the time. How have you been? I've been really good. I've been really excited since the show aired and now I can finally talk about my experience. Yeah, it's a wild experience you had, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, where do you wanna start? Or I feel like there's a lot of burning questions, there's been a lot of TikTok lives going on with the cast. You did not leave Temptation Island with Grant.

But it seems like the relationship didn't end though when Temptation Island ended. It's like, can you fill us in post show about like what went down and then, you know, maybe we'll go back to when you were on an island of like maybe like shower scenes and things like that. We'll maybe figure out what happened. Yeah, I think the people, we're just here, Natalie, to like give the people what they need and want and fill in gaps for things that maybe we don't get to see? So, you know, that's all we are, you know,

at your comfort level, of course. But can you let us know where we're at in terms of what happened between you and Grant Post's show and yeah, all that drama that ensued. Yeah, so I'll start like right at the end of the show, I was fully aware that he probably wasn't going to ask me to leave in the bonfire with him. We had had some conversations that they cut out where we talked about him being a little

bit too messy and he needed to like figure out his own relationship with himself and Ashley and everything off of the island. And he had stuff moved in in her place and I was like, I think it's better if we're going to pursue this after, you know, that we pursue it after and that you kind of leave alone to work on yourself. I was more thinking there was like a 10% chance even though we had those conversations, he would still ask to leave with me. But so I was ready and we did have like a full conversation after that

final bonfire that they completely cut out as well, which I was sad about because I felt like I looked really good that day. But and then after that we left the island. Well, we finished filming and then me, Kay, Tyler and Grant, we all stayed on the island for like four more days immediately after filming. So even though we didn't leave the islands together, we immediately went to the hotel together and spent four days. And had a double day. Yeah. And it was actually so much fun.

We had the best time because we were all like, we have our phones back now. We're back in real life. This is super weird. Um, and so it was nice to kind of like all be together and do that. How much of Ashley's decision to leave with Danny, do you think played a role in Grant's decision to stay with you along with Tyler and Kay? Oh, good question. I think that like watching it back, it was definitely interesting to see like the way he was crying at the bonfire and probably knowing and feeling the energy from Ashley that she wasn't going to choose to leave with him and that even though he went first, she was probably going to leave with Danny. So I'm sure it played a big role. You know, I think that Grant really wanted both

Ashley and I and obviously clearly he was playing both sides like the entire time and even like off the island. That sounds like random. Yeah, definitely. When I said like, oh, messy, you know, like hindsight's 2020. I look back and I'm like, damn, that's even I kind of originally thought, but I knew going into it that it was kind of problematic. But I think that it definitely played a big part because he knew that she was with Danny.

And so he also probably wanted, you know, something for himself and like, we did get really close on the island. So regardless of like how things would have been off the island, I guess in real life, we spent four weeks literally just getting to know each other. So we did build like a strong connection, you could say it's very TV terms. So y'all spent four nights together in the hotel and then you left the island,

you went back to your West Coast, he went back to the South of Florida or something. What kind of happened in that period? Okay, so when I first came home, I came home to Arizona for like a day, which is where I live, but then all my family lives in Oregon. So after like two days of being home,

I went home to Oregon to go stay with my family and see them. And so Grant and I had been in contact since we got our phones back or like separated. And then he called me when I was home in Oregon and was like, so I have this trip in Maryland. It's a work trip. Everything will be paid for, you know, just come out and I want to see you outside the island. And at first I was kind of like, I be paid for, you know, just come out and I want to see

you outside the island. And at first I was kind of like, I don't know, you know, like it's very soon. He had moved out of Ashley's that week, which they didn't live together full time, at least from my perspective, who knows what you were told. This is what I was told. So he, and he told me that he went to go like move out of her apartment and they hardly talked to each other and it was really just like tense. And then he got all of his stuff out and I was like, okay, you know, now that that's done with, I guess maybe I will consider seeing you in Maryland, which I don't think that's how it actually happened when he went to go move out of her apartment.

But again, I wasn't there so I don't totally know. But I was with my family and I was like, should I just do it? I'm a full sender, especially with a free trip, twist my arm, that's totally up my alley. And so I was like, okay, I'll just do it. So I went to Maryland and we honestly had the best trip, we had the best time.

He was kind of filming for some of it. It was beautiful weather, sat by the pool during margaritas. What was he filming? He was filming at this like wealth summit place cause he's a videographer, photographer. Okay, all right. So that's why he was there filming that.

And then I just- It's like Temptation Island two already? Jesus. In Maryland? I'm like, okay. Yes, no, this is like a completely different job that he did. So, and then we had the best time, which I was kind of

Not like surprised, but I wasn't expecting us to like really hit it off outside the island Um, but we did on this trip in particular But I kind of think that like when you get really close with someone and then they know all the things that you're looking for In a partner and they want to like pursue you and make it work I think that that was more so what was happening than us just actually hitting it off in real life. You don't think he was being genuine? I think he was trying to be genuine to the best of his ability. And I think that he did want to be those things for me, but I think that he was so wrapped up with Ashley and so wrapped up in his

own issues and stuff that he was having that it was just impossible for him to be those things long-term. When you say trying to be genuine, that sounds like a really nice way of saying, I don't think Grant can be genuine or is that an unfair statement? I think that, maybe there's some truth in that. I just like, I think that he does have a lot of

his own stuff that he needed to work through and jumping from Ashley to me with literally negative time in between. There was no way he was gonna be able to work on those things, even though I think he knows what he needs to work on. How long has it been since all of that? This was last June.

Do you think he's done the work yet? That's a great question. I don't know, I haven't spoken to him in like eight months. Okay. So. So then after this Maryland trip, was that pretty much it? Or did you guys try to,

did you try to make it, like try to date or try to make it work or try whatever, try anything? So Nick, the Maryland trip was the start. That was like the start of our off Island thing. So we said our goodbyes in the airport and then he ended up chasing me down to my gate. It was this whole dramatic grant style thing

where I was the last one to board and I was sitting there waiting for him to come. And then he was like, I want to jump into this with you. You know, like we had the best trip, let's be exclusive. And again, like I said, I'm a full sender. And I was like, okay, we just had the best trip, let's be exclusive. And again, like I said, I'm a full sender and I was like, okay, we just had the best trip, you know, let's do it, I'm down. And that lasted like a month.

I was very short-lived. And why, what did you, like, was that, everything you're saying is basically, you liked the idea of how Grant presented himself and there was a lot you liked and clearly you guys had good chemistry, but everything you're saying implies that like at the end of the day, he wasn't who he said he was.

Or you sounded very excited to date a version of Grant that he wanted you to believe that he was. That's what I'm hearing from you. Is that accurate? Yeah, I'd say that's accurate. I think that, yeah, you nailed it. What specifically happened that made you, were you the one who said, fuck this,

like, Amal, this isn't the way I expected it, or like, how did things end so quickly? No, so some people might be surprised to hear, I in fact wasn't, but he ended up cheating on me with Ashley. Okay. About a month in. And he called me right after and told me about it wasn't, but he ended up cheating on me with Ashley about a month in. And he called me right after and told me about it.

Okay, man. Yeah, so props to him for that, but I'll give him that, but. Did he say I cheated on you with Ashley? Or he's like, hey, hooked up with my ex or sorry. Like, what did that conversation like? Cause I'm honestly a bit shocked that he, you know, some props. Some people say he can't take bit shocked that he, you know, some props.

Some props of accountability. People say he can't take accountability, but he did with me. He did. So immediately, he's the type of person too, which I was not so much. So like, this was one thing that we kind of like didn't align with in real life

is he wants to like constantly talk to me. And so he went like a couple hours without texting me and I was like, something's weird. Like Grant's always texting me and I called my best friend and I was like, I swear he's gotta be with Ashley. And she was like, no, like you're crazy. You're crazy. I was like, no, I'm telling you, like woman's intuition.

Call whatever you want. But like, I swear he's with Ashley right now. And she was like, okay. And then an hour later, Grant called me and I was like, were you with Ashley? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, were you with Ashley? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, okay, well, did you kiss her? And he was like, yeah. And then I was like, okay, well, I guess that's all I need to know. Like I'm never going to talk to you again. I'll

see you at the premiere. And our conversation was like five minutes long. And then I hung up. Is it just a kiss or that you don't know? Yeah, it was just a kiss, at least from, when I've talked about it with Ashley, yes. Okay. But that was like just enough for me in the call where I was like, okay, you disrespected me, cross the line. And him and I had had that conversation before, because obviously like this isn't like shocking news

that Grant would cheat on me. It's kind of his character. So I had drawn that line like very clear before that if he was to disrespect me in any way with Ashley or with any girl for that matter, I would give him like a minute or two to explain himself and I would never speak to him again. So that's exactly what I did.

Was watching anything back surprising to you? Well, so I had like heard about the bonfire clips, but again, like everything that we heard from what happened in the bonfire clips was from the boys themselves. We didn't actually have like contact with the women in the other house until after or anyone for that matter. And so like seeing the bonfire clips for myself and seeing how much less bad they were

than the boys bonfire clips. But when the boys came home, they needed like maximum support and comforting and consoling from us. And it's like the nerve she like the first bonfire when she came home, he was like, absolutely so upset by whatever she said. And she crossed every boundary in line of the things that they had talked about before. And it was like, wow.

Like they must be down to their death. Was this before or after the shower? This is before. This is the first bonfire clip. When he came home, it was like, wow, they must be done. Because like he seemed so upset by whatever she said. What did she do? I don't even remember.

I think it was just, she was like talking shit about him to one of the guys. Like it wasn't. Well, she was talking a lot of shit early on. She was definitely like. But their boundary wasn't, hey, don't talk shit about of shit early on. She was definitely like. But their boundary wasn't, hey, don't talk shit about me. Their boundary was don't touch anyone.

Yeah. So. Do you feel like the first bonfire and Grant's frustration with Ashley led to you and him kind of like making the next step? Absolutely. Because like prior to the first bonfire, Grant and I weren't even really like

connecting too heavily in the beginning because it was more so me and Lino. And then that kind of took a turn, I think it was right before the first bonfire, Greg and I had a deep conversation and then kind of just started blossoming from there. But when he came home from the first bonfire, he was so distraught about what happened that I was like, there's no way that, A, they're getting back together. He was walking around the house like a single man like he wouldn't be able to forgive Ashley for what he saw.

And then again, watching it back. I don't even remember what happened either. I'm like, what? So what did happen in the shower? So we, we knew that the camera was put up there that day. There wasn't even a camera in there for like until the second week. And so we were fully aware that like the shower scene was probably going to be something that was I mean, it was a bigger deal, I thought, when they aired it.

But yeah, we were fully aware that. So like you guys looked up like. I'm not in that shower scene. No. Well, what was your what was your tagline in the beginning? You're guilty. My name's Natalie. And if you likeline in the beginning? Your guilty pleasure? My name's Natalie and if you like it from the front you're gonna love it from the side. Did you come up with that on your own? I actually said that in my final interview and they reminded me that I said that and they were like oh you should like they I was like oh yeah

so I did that's a Natalie. Hope you guys liked it. Okay. Okay. So post show everything, I saw a clip of you and Ashley on a live where Grant was on the phone yelling at her. Yeah. What was that about?

That really caught me by surprise. He was fully aware that we were on live too and still chose to call her and do that. He joined my live and then was in the comments. And mind you, this is the most interaction that I've had with him in eight months was me reading his comments out loud. But I was like, I'm just telling Ashley,

cause when you're on live with someone, they can't see the comments that are in yours. So I was reading them and then he kept telling us add me add me and I was like, I'm not adding you to my life. And I didn't even know how honestly, at that point, it was like my second time ever going live. And then she was like, I'm not adding you. And then he ended the live and ended up just calling her and was like, let's go, let's go. Let's talk about it. Be real, be raw. And I was just like so uncomfortable the entire time. Like I was not expecting him to do that.

I felt like it was completely uncalled for and knowing that there's an audience too is just like crazy. Yeah. If we had the opportunity to talk to Grant and Ashley at the same time, what would you want us to ask them or what would you like any clarification on? Not necessarily you, you know,

cause it sounds like you got all the answers you need, but in terms of making sure that America fully understands the truth, what would you want us to ask Grant and or Ashley? I feel like I wouldn't have any questions for Ashley. I feel like more so with Grant, how much of him maybe knew that he was going to get back together with Ashley maybe in the future?

He made it seem very much so like they were never going to really speak again and that he was way done with their relationship and he was dealing with the end of their relationship that it was like so toxic. But it's like how much of you probably knew the entire time that he was going to go back together with her.

Okay, yeah. Good question. Something like that. Okay, all right. You can put your own twist on it. There you go. There was a moment when Grant tried to make you jealous, right, early on the season.

It was like right after the shower scene. And I was really proud of you because it was like, you were like, I'm not that girl, fuck that, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, okay, she knows what's up. And then, but like 30 minutes later, you're like, ah, Grant. What, like do you, is that a moment you,

like I know you're full sad, no, hashtag no regrets and everything, but like is that a moment where you look back and think, you know, especially when Grant was talking about his relationship with Ashley, talking about how toxic it was, didn't that make sense to think, oh, well maybe he's at least a big part

of why this relationship is toxic, because here you two are hitting off and the first thing he wants to do is make you jealous by having another girl like take a shot off of him. And I guess your instincts were great, right? Your reaction seemed on point, but why do you feel like in that moment

you didn't trust your instincts? I think that I did trust my instincts right away and I was fully aware of the fact that he is toxic and is used to toxic behavior like this. But again, in real life, I think that situation would have played out differently. But because I was on a show via Tim Dress, and we were only halfway through, is that I was kind of faced, I guess, with two options where it's like, okay, you know, I told him how I feel, I drew the line, but it's not like in real life where it's like, I'm gonna just hop on out of here.

It's like, we're living in the same house, we're still gonna be going on dates and building a connection. And I felt like he reacted well to how I responded with how I felt about the situation and that I didn't like that and I wasn't going to do that again. And I felt like because he reacted well, it was fine.

I guess. Okay. That makes sense. I mean, like, I think the, the fact that you were on a TV show and you were still there to make TV kind of makes sense. Did the, um, guitar singing that he made a mistake and he heard as girl Ashley, like right after y'all hook up, was that not, I mean. When you found out he even brought a guitar

to Temptation Island, was that not a red flag? I was not really a fan of the guitar. I honestly don't think any woman is, I don't care if you're John Mayer. Like I don't want to sit and listen to you like acapella sing in front of me with no other band members and like that scares me. So props to you. You sat, I mean and he kept, he did not stop when you walked up. He kept on going.

No, it was a performance, performance of the century for real. I, yeah, there was nothing to do to be fair. There was no TV, no phones or anything, but I personally would have rather done anything else or just like had a conversation, but there was a lot more of the guitar that didn't air. We wrote a song as a cast, they didn't air that. And then where are you now in your love life? Are you out there still maybe going back on Temptation Island next season? Are you in love? Where are you at? I love life? Are you out there still maybe going back on Temptation Island next season?

Are you in love? Where are you at? I think I'm somewhere in between. I'm not in love and I'm not seriously dating anyone. I am dating around here and there, but I'm probably not going back on Temptation Island. I mean, if they call me back, they need a temptress. I guess I couldn't say no, but you never know.

Oh, be careful what you say. They might call you. I feel like a different show maybe. I feel like this is unfair to say, but like I can't help but not be surprised that a girl from Arizona and a man from Florida was a little messy and a little toxic. Does that make sense to you?

Or are you offended by that statement? No, I'd say that feels right. All right, well, I'm glad we're on the same page. Natalie, thank you so much for taking the time. It was fun watching you. Thanks for the great television and appreciate your honesty. Yeah, thanks so much for having me on.

It was great to virtually meet you guys. Likewise, our pleasure. Have a great rest of your day. Thank you, you too. Bye. I used to wish my name was pronounced with a D. Natalie. Natalie.

Natalie. Natalie? Natalie. Natalie. Natalie? Natalie. Natalie. I don't know why. Why? I also used to tell everyone my real name was Bridget and I went by Natalie.

That's insane. You never wanted your name to be something different when you were a kid? No, I liked my name. You had a good childhood, good for you. And I'm Bridget, but I would just, I'm wondering, that's not even your middle name. No, it's not.

I don't know. Literally, I think I heard it in a movie or like a cool girl had her name Bridget and I was like, I wish my name was Bridget. I wanted my name to be Elijah. Elijah? Wow. You never were like, what if my name was Nicole?

Or like playing pretend and like choosing a different name. What was your go-to when you played pretend? Like I'm 17 and my name's Vanessa. Yeah. No. But I'm 12. Oh my gosh. I think I always liked my name

because it was like nobody had my name. Elphie. She was, she was one of those. Yeah. I'm perfect the way God made me. Literally. Before we get into your sessions. Well, that's not true.

This is just reminding me that I was talking to my dad yesterday on the phone and he was like, randomly, he goes, and how do I find this podcast? Oh. And I was like, what podcast? He was like, the one that Nick has. And I was like, oh, you can find it on like YouTube. And he was like, and you're on it sometimes.

And I was like, yeah, I am. And he was like, all right, is there, should I just like listen to the most recent one? And I was thinking about it. I'm like, I think the most recent one, I'm talking about anal. should I just like listen to the most recent one? And I was thinking about it, I'm like, I think the most recent one I'm talking about anal. So probably not. You know, I'll send you one that I feel like you'll like.

Thank God he doesn't know how to work the internet. Or I would be having some tough conversations. That's funny, certainly cares. That's nice. Yeah. Starting to give it a listen. I was like, well, maybe don't listen to a lot of them. We talk about anal.

Please. Any of them, really. Actually, yeah. Listen to the ones I'm not on. That would be fun. Well, back to my favorite online obsession. Yeah, ASMR. ASMR daily routine.

Despite I'm not believing he needs to like work out with his Beamer or I don't even know if it was a Beamer or Mercedes or whatever. But, or I don't think I'll ever be wiping banana peels on my face post banana. I don't even like bananas. Yeah, he hates bananas. Although every morning I give River a banana

so I could use hers. But what's it for? I don't know. Good question, Justin, can we find out? What a banana peels. What a banana peels on your face would do. Is it like enzyme? He does, he does tape his mouth shut at night

and put like a nose strip and I wanna get back to doing that. I did that once and gave my wife the ick and then. Cause he did it with like duct tape and I was like this is kind of giving like I'm holding you last. That's duct tape? And I was like, hey do you wanna talk?

I use masking tape. I don't think hey, do you wanna talk? And he's like. I use masking tape. I don't think we should do that. Cause I think that. It's better for your health and heart. I know, but I think the mouth tape is like still breathable in and out. I think the.

The duct tape you can duct tape. I use scotch tape. I use scotch tape. It was a little strip up and down. Oh. Yeah, it was, I did not. But he was definitely like, we can't talk at night cause I have my mouth tape on.

You know, when I was like. I have. But he was definitely like, we can't talk at night cause I have my mouth tape on, you know, when I was like, I have so much to say right now. Yeah. Suddenly I wanna talk to you. Suddenly I have a lot to say. I wanna try the mouth tape. It's supposed to be really good, like mouth breathers and sadly I'm one of them.

Are you? Yeah. Interesting. Well, I've been worse, I've gotten better. Have you seen the chin transformations of that? It's like, oh yeah. I got one of those jaw things too. Also gave my wife the ick.

What's the jaw thing? It's like a exercise the jaw. It's like this gummy thing. Why? Why? You could just say that you chew it. He's showing me. So you put it in your mouth

and you physically have to chew it? Yeah, you kinda, it's like, it's like a- Oh, is it in the front of your mouth? It's like exercise. Is it like bone gum? What does it do? Just to give you a sculpting- It strengthens your jaw.

For what? Gives you a better jawline. Okay, that's what we're getting to. It's also supposed to help with your breathing. It's supposed to help with your whole. Okay, I get that. So no plastic surgery. We just need to chew on.

You just, yeah, he's got- Well, if the option's surgery or like chewing on something for a couple of weeks, wouldn't you go non-surge? No, that's what I. You just, yeah, he's got it. Well, if the option's surgery or like chewing on something for a couple of weeks, wouldn't you go non-surge? No, that's what I mean, so that's why you're doing it. I haven't done it yet. Oh! But watching his video, I was like, I need to get back.

I was just saying, I was influenced. I was, I'm just saying, despite all the things he showed me that I was like, this is stupid and ridiculous and I don't need a go yard bag while I go work out. No, I mean, I totally want that bag. But like not, I don't, I wouldn't take that go yard bag while I go work out. No, I mean, I totally want that bag. But like not, I don't, I wouldn't take that go yard bag to the track or the gym. I take my go yard everywhere.

I also wouldn't hand it to my friend and then have him take it to the car for me. I'm gonna hire Natalie to do that one day. It's just gonna be her hand. Perfect. People are gonna be like, that's definitely Natalie, she hasn't had a manicure in 42 years.

But I don't want a mouth breathe anymore. Okay. Do you have any morning routines that are might be like, that's definitely Natalie. She hasn't had a manicure in 42 years. But I don't want to mouth breathe anymore. Okay. Do you have any morning routines that are might be unique to you that you think could better the world? I mean, she wakes up, she lets the dogs out. Which time are, yeah, let's go through that morning routine again.

Yeah, cause we've talked about this. Yeah, I was really inspired by it. Were you? I think it's, well. You were like, wait, so. So what, your day starts at one? You were just like, and then I finally. And then I go to bed. And that's 1.30 PM and I'm finally ready.

My morning routine takes quite a while, about five hours. Can we walk through it? It's really quiet. It's aspirational. Okay, so I wake up at six with the dogs. I go downstairs, I feed them first and then I take them out. And then I go back to bed and six a.m. is early. Six a.m. is a little too early.

So I go back to bed for a little bit. Then I wake up. What time are we at? I think we're at like maybe eight. I'll push it to eight. So then I wake up at eight and I meditate. Just like Ashton does. For how long?

For about 30 minutes. Okay. Is that, are you lying down again? Or are we- What do you mean? Oh yeah, I'm lying down for sure. Back in bed? Yeah, I'm back in bed.

I am back in bed at this point. Never got out. So before 9 a.m. you've had two naps. Stop. I want to schedule. And this is serious stuff, okay? Listen, life's going great for you and you look great. And apparently when you go to the bars,

you make my wife look ugly. So like it's honestly working, so. It's true. It's true. I'm not done yet. Oh, I'm sorry. And then I- So you wake up in your second nap. I'm not done yet. Oh, I'm sorry. And then I wake up from your second nap.

I meditate for 30 minutes and then I pray. No, don't laugh. That's very serious. No, seriously. And then I pray and then I get ready. I take a shower and oh yeah. And then I journal and then have you been watching his videos? I shower and then I journal. And then- Have you been watching his videos? I swear. Cause he also wakes up early, meditates, prays, journals.

Well, I mean, I think- It's a common morning routine. It's a common morning routine. And then I do my face routine. I shower twice a day. So I shower once in the morning and then at night. But the morning one, and then I do my face routine. And then I go to Pilates at 11.

And it is one o'clock. And it is 11. You go to Pilates after you shower? I know. You shower and then go. I take two showers a day. I have like this- She's very clean.

Yeah, this like weird thing. I have to shower twice a day. You won't find Victoria smelling. No, you will not. I'll smell like Le Labo Noir 29. Yes, you will. That is your scent. At all times. Anytime I smell that scent, I'm like, Victoria Phyllis Noir 29. Yes you will, that is your scent. At all times.

Anytime I smell that scent, I'm like, Victoria Philler's here. Yeah, she's somewhere. So that's my morning routine. And then I come home around 12.30 and then that's when I start my work day. And she gets on emails. And I do get on emails

and I have to answer a lot of them, of course. Of course. That's my favorite thing to say. I sound like I don't do anything, but I really do. No, you are busy. I am very fucking busy. You don't answer your phone. A lot of people want your life.

Let's just keep it real. I'm on Do Not Disturb a lot, because I have a lot going on. But I prioritize my mental health. You do. You have a lot of therapy sessions. I do. Yes, I do.

Does your therapist guilt you into therapy sometimes? No, actually she does this thing where she'll be like, so when do you wanna come back in a month? And I'm like, tomorrow. Are you saying I'm all healed up? What's going on here? Are you saying I'm perfect? She literally will be like,

how do we feel like two weeks out, three weeks? And I'm like, no, we're on a tight schedule. Yeah, I will see you tomorrow. We're on a tight schedule here, Hannah. I will be back Wednesday. Our couple of therapists is the opposite. He'll text and he'll be like, so, haven't seen you guys in a couple weeks.

Is everything okay? Yeah, there's no way it is. He's like, cause I know it's not. I really think Thursday is really good for all of us. I'm like, I guess we have to go to therapy this week. You're like, I'm not sure, is anything wrong? And then we'll show up and I'm like, things have been, yeah, we're like, you know,

busy but good, you know, and he's like, you know, but. He's like, well, last time you were here, it says, I wrote down a couple of notes that said Natalie wasn't feeling seen and Nick wasn't getting enough sex. So do you wanna open that up again or? Like, no, I thought we got past that. Yeah, I thought we were healed, but sure, you know,

now that you bring it up, I am pissed again. Isn't that funny? Yeah, he does like that. He's like, I'm seeing something here between the two of you. Yeah, what's going on here? What's this dynamic? And then he'll be like,

maybe some physical touch would be nice. You're like, I didn't even think about it. And you're like, wait for a second. And then Nick will be like. Now that you're telling me to do it, I don't want to do it. So like, this feels forced. Nick will like reach out and like put his hand on my hand

and we're like, do you like that? Is this good enough? Do you like this? And then you're almost finding problems at that point cause you're like, wow. Actually. There's silence in there. So yeah, you start thinking of like,

Paul, I guess he did forget the bananas at the grocery store. And I was really annoyed by that. I'll be honest with you. Which we've learned that if we are going into couples therapy feeling pretty good about us, now we just. Yeah, what do you talk about when you feel good?

Well, no, because we know our couples therapy is just gonna start something that we aren't aware of. Prepared for. So now, right before we'll sit in our car, 10 minutes later, and just start throwing jabs at each other. Really? So that way, we're really pissed off walking in

and instead of feeling like we were feeling better coming in than going out, now we definitely feel better going out than coming in. But it's also like, maybe we just don't go for like until there's... Like whenever Nick said, cheers to lifting things up. Context. Wait, on a Valentine's day,

he said cheers to lifting things up' and he's referring to my titties. Now that he had this fun game of deciding. No, you did not. Tell the story. No, he didn't. That's such bullshit. No, he didn't.

Wait, I wanna hear the whole story. Why would you remember the story? I don't even remember that part. Why would you say that to your wife? Because now he decided to do a roast, cheers on Valentine's Day, and she went first. She did a roast of Nick Vile. And she was like.

Oh, I wish I was present for that. For an entire day, she made me think that I had a bald spot on my head. No, you didn't, I'd love that. I said cheers to wearing hats. He was like, what? He's like, what's that supposed to mean? You're like, you figure it out.

Cheers to going to Turkey. So then it was my turn and I said, cheers to the thing, I can't do this, I can't. Oh my gosh. That's brutal. That's crazy. See, we love each other. Yeah, you do, you definitely do.

We like to, you know, shake it up. I like when couples shit on each other. I do too, but a lot of us just think that I'm like really mean to Nick. Really? Nick did call us bullies yesterday. Well, that's because he couldn't spell anything and you were like, I don't know what you're trying to say.

Please give me a call. Yeah, we're in a group text and Nick's trying to communicate something. And I was like, I actually- This is after I text a man named Victor and he said to you. He did, he sent that sizzle to, and I was like, Nick, you sent that to Victor.

Poor Victor. I got a lot going on. I got a lot going on. And then yeah, he said everyone, you know, you all know some Ask Nick on Instagram, his typing capabilities. Oh, your type, yeah, you are a good communicator in person via text, not so much. So I was like, I don't know what you're trying

to tell me right now, I was like, but maybe't know what you're trying to tell me right now. I was like, but maybe just call me later. And then he did it again. He's trying to tell me what he was saying. I was like, just ignore me. And he was like, I, you ignore me, I risk. It sounds like a robot speaking. And so we were just giggling at him.

Yeah, and he didn't like it. He did not like it. Called us bullies. We're not bullies, we love you. We love you. We do. Yeah. We do.

Well, so that's that. Anything you wanna say before you go? Wow. Who do you think is the murderer in White Lotus? Gosh. And who do you think dies? I think that the mom dies. Parker Posey?

Yeah. I hope not. Really? Or maybe the daughter. No, I don't. Cause it's not gonna be somebody that we're like happy about dying. And it's true.

I think it's gonna be somebody that we're like, fuck, like, I like Jared. Season one, it was like the Matri D guy that we all loved. And then it was Jennifer Coolidge. Jennifer Coolidge. I think it's gonna be somebody that we like and we're gonna be like, fuck, that sucks. And I think it's, the murder is probably gonna be

like one of the sons maybe. I feel like that's too on the nose. Really? Yeah. What if it's like the girlfriend of Greg? That's dead? That she kills someone. Cause she's like trying to stay with him and trying to like prove that. I mean they are setting up Patrick's Fortune

in his character for just having an absolute mental breakdown. They are. I know, they are. He found out his brother jerked him off. His idol, his dad is about to like go to jail. That's true. I was thinking maybe the younger brother was gonna be the killer.

No. Because he went to a Buddhist temple right after he jerked off his brother. I know, but he's having a, no. No. Because he went to a Buddhist temple right after he jerked off his brother. I know, but he's having a crisis. Yeah, I think he's freaking out a little bit where he's like, fuck, this is not good. What did I do? And I think he's gonna have a mental breakdown

and they're gonna, yeah, I think it's gonna be the brother. The younger brother. We'll see. Guess we'll see. And when are you gonna finally watch Severance? Oh my God. I'm gonna watch it tonight. And I'll be back tomorrow.

And you'll never get rid of me. And I will be back every day. Well, we will be back tomorrow for maybe the most special episode of all time. It'll certainly be fun, wild. It's a going deeper episode that so many of you have been anticipating, wanting, asking for and we are glad we were able to deliver. That is tomorrow. We will see you then. Look for our... we'll be teasing it tonight.

Tomorrow's episode. Justin's like, huh tonight? Yeah, see? Keep up. We're a day ahead. We're a day ahead. We're a day ahead. The highly anticipated going deeper episode tomorrow. It's gonna be great. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye. Bye.