The Viall Files - E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  It’s another banger episode today as we’re joined by Giacomo Gianniotti to get into this season of Wild Cards, his time on Grey’s Anatomy, and working with Kyle Richards. Also, we welcome the hilarious Iliza Shlesinger to talk about her new special, parenting, Severance, and different types of melons. Meanwhile, we cover the RHOBH Reunion Part 1, the new White Lotus episode, Sydney Sweeney’s breakup, and more!  “Did your parents know that you were gonna be hot?” Check out the Season 2 trailer of Wild Cards Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F-exsTJ6BY Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Firstleaf - Enjoy the fresh vibes of spring with wines you’ll love from Firstleaf. Go to https://tryfirstleaf.com/viall to sign up and you’ll get your first SIX handpicked bottles for just $44.95. Revolve - For a limited time, you can shop a curated selection of our favorite styles at https://revolve.com/viall and receive 15% off your first order with code VIALL. Rocket Money - Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to https://rocketmoney.com/viall today. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (00:23) - Beauty and The Beast (05:20) - Joel (08:09) - Programming Notes (10:24) - White Lotus (14:30) - RHOBH Reunion (32:51) - Giacomo Welcome (33:58) - Wild Cards (39:52) - Meeting Your Wife (42:24) - Post Grey’s Anatomy (45:27) - Biking (47:20) - Traveling (49:29) - Dream Roles (52:51) - Summer Plans (54:35) - Game Time (01:02:33) - Riverdale (01:04:46) - Household Headlines (01:12:11) - Welcome Iliza! (01:18:13) - Good On Paper (01:24:14) - Comedy Special (01:32:03) - Severance (01:33:21) - More White Lotus (01:41:20) - Husband (01:47:11) - Children In Public (01:52:46) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @giacomo_gianniotti @ilizas @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @the_mare_bare @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell   

What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Vibe Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick and I have a small bone to pick with the movie Beauty and the Beast. Oh my goodness. We watched it last night with River. We decided to call up him bad. It's fun, it was cute, it was great.

I haven't seen it in a long time. Good movie. Yeah. But in the beginning of the movie, the story is like the young prince was kind of a prick, and then the witch came, turned him into a beast, yada, yada, yada. And then they're like, then there's this flower that wilts away, and then on his 21st birthday,

he has to fall in love or he's a beast forever. And then they're like, as the years have gone by. And I'm like, wait, are you telling me, how old was this prince when he answered the door by himself and a witch showed up? Like where is his parents? No mention, how many years went by? You know what I'm saying?

Like they made it seem like his 21st birthday? Yeah. That's not wrong, I looked up a guide to the plot holes in Beauty and the Beast and the first one is, 10 years we've been rusting, dot, dot, dot. How old was this prince? 11. He was a boy.

He was just a boy. Yeah, it's like the witch turned him into a beast just because he was a spoiled little brat? Well, if we wanna like get into it, Snow White was 14. And Ariel was 15. Yeah, this need to do better. I mean, I'm not like fine, I get it, they're teenage. I'm just saying, why is this prince alone in a castle

by himself with a bunch of servants? Do they specify how many years go by? They just say as the years. As the years gone by, like implying 30. You know, like. Maybe he ages differently in beast years. Well, so Lumiere MBR Gus says for 10 years we've been rusting. 10 years. Oh, so Lumiere, MBR guest, says for 10 years, we've been rusting.

10 years. Oh, so 10 years. So he was a... 11. 10? No. 10? Because he's not 21 yet. He's not 21 yet.

Oh. Well, in Game of Thrones, that little boy prince sucked. And he was, what, like 13, maybe 12? So maybe he was a time period? Fine. Oh yeah, ages were different. You know, this is the past. Nick was like, where's the king and queen? He did turn into a beast for 10 years.

And they didn't care. I'm like, think about just like growing pains, you know? And I snapped at you and I don't know why. Maybe we couldn't add that. Maybe he ate them. And then Disney has tragic family, our parents dying stories in every movie. As River gets older and we go back and re-watch some movies,

you know, I'm paying attention, Disney. Anyone remember the movie Spirit? With that horse? The saddest one ever to exist. With the horses? That movie is so sad. Horse movies are so sad. First of all, Nick was like, I've never heard of that movie.

Second of all, I can't find it anywhere. I have it on DVD. You want a horse movie and I can't find it anywhere. I have it on DVD. You want a horse movie and cry? Black Stallion. I also have it on DVD. But it's not on any, and like when was it made? I thought it was made in the 90s. 2002.

It was too, it's that- And it's also on Peacock. It's DreamWorks, I think, right? It's on Peacock. That's what it says. There you go, babe. Do you really want to revisit that and cry? I think, no, I think Nick's dad showed me a clip of it. I'm like, that's not it.

That looks way too animated. They did remake it though, recently. So there's two versions of it now. They've remade Spirit? We need an animation remake? No, it's like a real horse. That's a horse. I get it.

What? Well, that one's hard too. Then Nali, before you turn on Beauty and the Beast, turn on The Lion King 2, and then she turned it on. I was like, wow, this is low-budge. They really mailed this one in. Not turned out in The Lion King 2, and then she turned it on. I was like, wow, this is low-budge. They really mailed this one in. Not too much on The Lion King.

I don't think we need to do sequels for- Animated movies? Well, direct-to-home video sequels raise children. Yeah, to be fair. At least me. Lion King 1 1⁄2, you get Timon and Pumbaa just goofing off. And then Lion King 2, you get Scar's hot child.

Wait, Scar and Kid? We didn't get their heart. We didn't get their heart. Yeah, that's the whole And then Lion King 2, you get Scar's hot child. Wait, Scar and Kid? We didn't get their heart, we didn't get that heart. Yeah, that's the whole thing of Lion King 2, or like a nephew, I haven't seen it since I was young. But it's like Simba's kid. My daughter won't be allowed to watch such trash, low budget movies. And then like Scar's kid is like emo.

Well, don't start her off on live action because those aren't much better. Rob Minkoff had nothing to do with The Lion King 2. He would not make such low quality. I hope that's true. Can we make sure he's not in the credits? I was gonna say, I think he owns everything that has to do with it.

I stand by it's a good movie. You grew up on The Lion King 2. I had it on DVD for some reason. Like obviously Lion King was the preferred, but sometimes you watch Lion King enough and you're like, ah. Just like the opening sequence. It's like these are not the same quality animals.

Yeah, I also like the Santa Claus too, more than the first Santa Claus. Oh, same. Yeah, the second one's better. That was pretty good. You get Toy Center, you get Molly Shannon. Fievel goes west, better than American Tale. Period.

I don't know, he was the video game co-director on the Lion King 2 Simba's Pride, so something tells me he has a hand in Lion King 2. It is Simba's Pride. He didn't direct it. He didn't direct it, but he was associated. He was at the Mufasa premiere. I only saw this first three minutes,

maybe it gets better. Now that I'm getting everyone mad at me, a lot of people are also mad at me after having Joel Kim Booster on in particular. Can't we all just move on and get along? If I'm Shannon, I'm on. Shannon, I think Shannon's a little disappointed. Listen, I wasn't taking back.

Team Shannon. I just didn't feel the need to like, crucify the guy. He said he was sorry. It was more so just like, you were so, we all were so harsh on him. I was really, I said some was sorry. That was more so just like, you were so, we all were so harsh on him. I was really, I said some really harsh. And then whenever he's sitting in front of you, it was just very like, he, he,

ha ha, you're my best, you were all good. Not a lot of like. Like we are all good. Sure. Personally, but like to the audience, it seems very, you could have been like, listen, man, like still don't agree with your choice of words and the things that you- I didn't agree.

He said he was wrong for doing it. I'm supposed to put him on trial after that. And he was a fun guest. He was, I love Joel. I just don't see the need to, it's just like, I'm sorry. Well, just so you know. Sometimes when people are,

I don't wanna letee it, where it was like, Grant's like, my bad. And then she's just like, just so you know, sometimes when people are, I don't wanna let you know, where it was like, Grant's like, my bad. And then she's just like, just so you know, am I gonna, it's just like, what do you want me to, it's not my fight, you know? I still agree, it was really harsh and really inappropriate for him to say he said as much. What am I supposed to ban him from the show forever?

I think you handled a lot of respect for Joel being in person, but I could see why Shannon might be like, wait, didn't he just have my back now? I still have her. He's flip-flopping when he's in front of us. I'm not agreeing with Joe's choices of words against Shannon, but like he says he was sorry. I was like, Shannon's my queen,

but like I will say, I very much enjoyed Joel. I believe in giving very much enjoyed Joel. I believe in giving everyone grace. You know? Joel Kim Booster and Shannon Bador. Are we, like, let's, we've all said things in the heat of the moment. Has Shannon not said things to people

and have to apologize? Are we no longer friends with these people? Like, come on. I'm curious if she'll say something, because he made it sound like they're fully made up, but I've never seen, like, a- Well, he didn't make it seem like they were fully made up, but it was like a, you know, I apologize. We may never be close friends,

but like I felt like it was like, you know, we've moved on. Oh yeah, he taught me a new word in that sentence, reticence, but he said, I understand her reticence and not accepting it at face value or like maybe thinking that it's not as genuine, but he did apologize. I don't know.

Reticence. Great word. It's like Deree saying intimate. Oh my God. or accepting it at face value, or maybe thinking that it's not as genuine, but he did apologize. I don't know. Great word. It's like Doreen saying intimate. Oh my God. Shannon, if you're listening, Natalie has your back. She thinks I let you up on it. That's why I was sitting very stoically for a while,

and then I said, and what is your relationship like with Shannon today? Because I wanted to hear what he was gonna say about my girl, Shan. And he was polite. I mean, what are you gonna do? Also, Tom Sandoval and Victoria were on Going Deeper yesterday. If you haven't listened, you should check it out.

What did you, Nellie was not here and it wasn't because of the last interview. I felt like I'm happy for him. I feel like people, it's time to move on. He seems to be doing some work. I'm not saying he's like this completely changed man, but I will say, I think you could do far, far worse than having a friend like Tom.

I do. He's definitely not perfect. I'm not sure I would still want him to date my sister or anything like that, you know, but I don't know. He's growing. He's got Victoria to keep him in line, you know, I'm glad that they're happy. And I think it's a good interview.

So definitely check it out. I think you guys should check it out if you haven't listened to it already. I mean, the man's, you wanted the guy to take accountability, you wanted him to make some meaningful changes in his life, and you can decide for yourself whether he's done that. Who else have we pissed off?

This week or this year? I don't know. Well, who do we have on today? Let's see who we could piss off today. Well, our guest today, it's a fun episode. We have Giacomo. You know him from Grey's Anatomy and Wild Cards. I'm not even gonna try to-

Nick is nervous to say his last name. I'm very nervous to say his last name. How do you say his last name? Giacomo Giannotti. Giannotti. Giacomo Gian his last name. How do you say his last name? Giacomo Giannotti? Giannotti. Giacomo Giannotti. You just gotta just say it, right? Giacomo Giannotti.

Can you say it without an accent? Do you feel like? I don't think I can. You have to say it with an accent. You have to. It's a double N, yeah. Giacomo. He's from Rome.

I mean, you're getting the accents right, you know? Did his parents just know he was gonna be sexy? Probably. Probably. You can't name your kid Giacomo without being like, you gotta be hot. An Italian alliteration. Yeah.

It doesn't get much hotter than that. Giacomo is genuine. My name is Giacomo. For sure. He is with us to talk about season two of Wild Cards and also next week, I believe, Kyle Richards makes an appearance on Wild Cards. It'll be fun to talk with him, obviously, reminisce about his time on Grey's Anatomy,

which I know many of you are big, big fans of. Also, we got Eliza Schlesinger with us as well. I'm sure you've seen a lot of her stand-up. She's got a new stand-up out now on Amazon, and we are very excited to talk with her later in the episode. We watched White Lotus in preparation for the finale, which I guess is like 90 minutes long.

It is. Like that, I really. Yeah, we need a good long finale. You need to make sure we're covering all our holes. Natalie thought she had cracked the case. I know, I thought I had cracked the case, and then I'm scrolling on TikTok and it's like one after the other

and I'm reading the comments and everyone's like, I thought of this, me and my husband were saying this. I think it's like the most obvious. So that's reading the comments and everyone's like, I thought of this, me and my husband were saying this. I think it's like the most obvious. So that's why I feel like maybe they won't do it, you know, because it is like the most obvious finale. Give the people the obvious. So the obvious finale would be that Shritala,

the owner of the hotel, is going to send the police back to the White Lotus, the hotel that everyone is at, to get Rick because he pointed the gun at her husband, he pushed her husband over. She realizes he's not who he said he was. She sends the police to the White Lotus and we have Valentin and his Russian friends who did the robbery, we found out.

They are all like, oh my God, the police are coming for us. We have Timothy Ratliff, the father, who is like, oh my God, they're coming for me for my taxes. Who keeps fantasizing about killing himself and his entire family. Yes. Was he going to do that? Like, he went to go get the gun.

I think he was. He was like, ready to go, you know what? Fuck these people. That's dark. He was like, they can't live in this world. I guess I'll take him out. Then we have Greg, who is gonna be like, oh my God, they can't live in this world. I guess I'll take them out. Then we have Greg, who is gonna be like, oh my God, Belinda called the police on me.

And I think mayhem is going to ensue and everyone's gonna be just like going crazy, shooting guns are everywhere, guns are flying and that. Who do you least wanna die? Who do I least want to die? Rick's girlfriend, Amy Lou Wood. Yeah. Oh, Amy Lou Wood, yeah, yeah.

Rick and her. I love, I'm a Rick stan. I'm sorry, guys. I'm a huge Rick stan. Walton Goggins, I gotta watch Righteous Dreadstones. I'm glad it got closure. You've never seen it? No. I watched the first season.

I know the song from it. But yeah, no, I'm Team Rick. He's really, he's been on a journey. I think he's turned a corner in his life. He did get his friend to relapse. That's not great. He didn't get his friend to relapse, his friend relapsed. Yeah.

Because he put him in a very stressful situation. He had zero information about like what the job was. And she's like, oh, what movies have you seen? That was the biggest setup. Yeah. He goes, you're a conner. I felt that in my bones. I was like, I too would be like, I'll take a whiskey.

What? Yeah, also the only time Rick has ever felt joy was watching all of this, like, just watching this. Drugs and sex and rock and roll. And you know what? Good for him. Yeah.

Cause he's not gonna make it out. I don't think. I'll be really sad if Rick dies. Also like the Ratliff younger siblings, the daughter and the son. They're fine, they're not going in. We don't need them to die. I don't want Belinda to die.

I don't want Belinda to die either. Belinda the mom? No, the masseuse. Belinda the therapist. That's like onto Gary or Greg or whatever his name is this week. Natasha Rothwell. I don't think she will.

I don't want her to, but and her son's there. But remember the whole first episode, the son's in the session with the therapist and then. I think it's time for Greg to die. He's been. I'd be okay with it. It's been too much. If we were gonna keep anyone,

we could have kept Jennifer Coolidge. Well, the only thing that was really triggering for me, and I hope that our kids aren't like, you know, like Patrick Schwarzenegger's character. And he was like, my whole life is like wrapped up in this. Like, I don't know what is in our kids' futures. I just hope they're resilient. And I hope that if their world crumbles around them,

they get the fuck back up, they dust themselves up, and they just move the fuck on and figure it the fuck out. And if that means they have to start over because mom and dad lost everything, so fucking be it. Oh my God, a lot of F-bombs. I'm just saying, I don't know. We're not gonna raise weak people who are just obsessed with our success.

It is kind of interesting, like look into nepotism in a different form. Like, cause you usually think about it in the entertainment industry, but I'm like seeing it as like a corporate, like, oh, my dad has to be successful because I'm successful if my dad's successful, my dad's not successful, then I'm not.

Or like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life. And it's just like, wow. Yeah. Glad I'm not in that situation. I'm a succession. Yeah. Well, Beverly Hills Housewives reunion part one is out. What do we think? What do we think?

Justice for Sutton and Garcel. Intimate. Really? Really? Why? I mean, the one thing that I'm like, I'll back off on is I've said it before. I wish Garcel didn't bring up the robbery again.

That being said, everything else, justice for them. Listen, I'm glad that Garcelle stood by her opinion. Mm-hmm. I mean, and in defense- Unlike you with Joel Kombuster. Oh. You're fired. Well, okay.

Pew, pew, pew, pew. As Garcelle said, don't put words in my mouth. Yeah. I didn't stand, I always had some really harsh shit about him. I just felt like it was a little much. You were just like really quick to apologize and be like, I'm so sorry, we're best friends.

I'm so sorry. I was quick to apologize by saying what I said. I was like, to be fair, didn't Joel come for you at the beginning of being like, hey, like you said some mean things about me, I don't know if I wanna come. You had to finesse that too. Oh yeah, I mean, listen, he did his homework

and he went, he's like, you know, we had an opportunity to get him on and then he went back and listened. And I was like, yeah, sorry, you know, I got a little spicy. It's okay, we don't have to go back. I was just making a joke. It really wasn't that, I'm sorry.

It really wasn't that. But it is hard to watch Garcelle really like hold strong on that when it clearly was very traumatic for Dorit and her family. And then to still just like question the like, well, he left your phone and like the alarm system being off, it's like. All I'm saying is Garcelle is not the only person

in that group who thinks and says that. And she's just the only one who has the guts to say it out loud. And you know. It's giving a lot of context as to why she left though. Like even just seeing this episode of the reunion, I'm like, oh, okay. You really didn't think people were coming for you.

When the episode started and she's like, hopefully we can take a cast photo, knowing she's the one who won't take the cast photo. Kyle won't even look at her. She's too focused on her crystals. The, Dorit being able to say, like left, leaving Kyle speechless in the like, you thinking that I was acting this way to keep my job

when you are close enough with executive producers to know that I was asked back and you still like chose to have that view. And Kyle was like, Well, no, Kyle said, I said what I said. She was like, I said what I said. But she was kind of left a little speechless of like, You took it that way? Kyle was like, well no, Kyle said I said what I said. She was like, I said what I said. But she was kind of left a little speechless of like, you took it that way?

She was like this. I took it as. Was literally left speechless, like literally did not say anything until. Well, I think when producers and executives of Brawl will get brought up, I think they have to tread carefully or it's like it becomes a kind of a convoluted,

complicated issue of like, what can I say and not say. Dorit obviously brought it up. I took her quietness or not saying anything back, more like, I don't know how to address this, I'm just gonna stand by what I said, because it's definitely possible that, well, Dorit made a very good point. That was a great argument for Dorit to make,

but maybe she got asked back after producers had a conversation with Dorit and said, we need more from you, we need more honesty, yada, yada. Then Dorit does what she does. And you know what I'm saying? So like maybe Dorit's giving us half of that version and Kyle's just like, you know what, I said what I said and I'm just gonna leave it at that.

I don't know, even the whole like PK statement and how she doesn't really like, she like, low key like defended PK or like her relationship with PK. But she did and also, like she knows what she's doing when she's like, I don't know. So are you implying that he relapsed? I'm not gonna say, I don't know. But the way she says it's like,

so you're implying that he relapsed. It is tough. It's dangerous. It is tough to, I don't know. But the way she says it's like, so you're implying that he relapsed. It's dangerous. It is tough. It is tough to, I mean, listen. She intimated. They're going through a divorce and all. She didn't intimate.

But the way that statement from PK. Dirty as well. Yeah. I know. I have the statement. I kind of like, I agreed with his statement. Yeah. While him being like,

I hope this is not the person I married. I hope she returns back to me. Like I was giving the question I asked the other day where it was like husbands that blame their marriages like failing with housewives on the show. Like he was kind of implying that, but she turned into his character. I mean I do think that's a real issue.

When you go on a TV show, it can change people. When you go on a TV show, it's all about exposing the intimate details of your life and family and marriage. It often causes problems. I mean, her saying that he is not a good father, knowing her children will see that someday. Is a choice.

It is a choice. And that is a line, I'm sorry, that once you cross it, it's- Can't go back. You can't go back. And it's just, you know, the way people talk about like their spouses, I think matters. I mean, like there's one thing to give each other shit and being on the joke, whatever, but to like behind

their back, like question their character, how they are. As parents is, I don't know. That was tough. It's dirty. It's like, it's hard for me to hear her say that and then say things like, well, he's my soul. He's my heart. You know, it's like, huh?

Like, I don't. Yeah. Like, how can you say that and like, still hope to reconcile, you know? I don't think she hopes to reconcile. She makes it sound like she does though. Yeah, she. She like goes back and forth.

It's really confusing. I said she knows what she's saying, where she's saying where she's being kind of vague, but also saying the obvious. And then Andy brought up, obviously, is it the glam, is it this? And she even acknowledged that.

And I don't know what she's spending. But these glam teams are not cheap. And if every time Doreed's doing an interview or an appearance and she's getting full glam, that's thousands of dollars. And if she's doing an interview or an appearance and she's getting full glam, that's thousands of dollars. And like if she's doing that on the regular, she could be spending 10, 15, 20 grand a month on clothes and makeup.

Well, that statement too, the end of PK's statement about wanting her to go back to the person that she was, it reminds me of the, I think it was her birthday or their anniversary, he posted a reel and it was right before they announced their divorce the year before. And he very much used all these old photos of Dorit like before work done and like in their like happier stages. And it made a lot of people speculate

that there was like trouble in paradise because it's like, it looked like he was romanticizing the past of their relationship versus like celebrating who she is today. I mean, it's, I mean, you know, this is her job, right? So on one regard, I get like, she's like, versus celebrating who she is today. This is her job, right? So on one regard, she's like, hey, I have a career, this is my job, I'm finally doing something, I'm providing for our family.

She's probably making more than him at this point. Do you think that was touchy for him though? And when they were asking about if their relationship changed based off of her fame, do you think that that might have had an element of it, that he was always the successful businessman in the entertainment industry? Maybe, I mean, there could be some ego involved, for sure.

It's just very complicated when your job is what this is, and to do what she does, and yeah, it's a tough beat with all of a sudden, one day, your spouse is prioritizing their TV personality job over you and their family. And it's like, yeah, it would feel like that person changed. Like I can see his side, even though he wears a tracksuit. I do applaud her for being open about, she even addressed the pre-foreclosure reports

that everybody was seeing this whole past couple of months. And it was a simple- He's like, I don't pay him if they don't call me back. Well, that's a choice. I wonder where his credit is. Those being like, well, that's how you lose your house. Yeah. Gotta pay your bills.

Well, they didn't call me back. Nope. But don't worry, he got it handled. They did call. Yeah. It's like, okay. I think we're gonna see a resurgence of the Fox Force next season.

And that's like the group of like, Dere and whoever she associates with herself. Erica usually is a part of it being like the popular girls because for them to throw mean girls as a label to Garcelle and Sutton, when they got mad about it season 10, when Denise did it to them, I'm like, we're just- It'll be interesting because right now,

Boz is like team Deree, but like I have a ton of respect for Boz. By my count, she has not been wrong yet. I agree. Like she's batting a thousand. And I think she just calls it straight up. I just, every time someone comes at her, she's like, but this, this, and this.

And they're like, damn. She makes, cause she always makes sense. But she, Bose is not a mean girl. And I just don't think Bose is gonna stand. If DeRite gets a little cocky, and I don't know, aligns with some of these other women, I don't think Boze is gonna stand. If Dorit gets a little cocky and I don't know, aligns with some of these other women, I don't think Boze is not a follower.

And I don't think she's so, if that's the case, I predict a fallout with Boze and Dorit. I loved when Boze was saying to Garcella, or whomever, maybe the whole group, when she was like, if you think that I can be manipulated in my opinion of you, then that shows me that you have a very low opinion of yourself. That was hardcore. I was like, if you think that I can be manipulated in my opinion of you, then that shows me that you have a very low opinion of yourself. That was hardcore.

I was like, okay. And the way she says it too, it's like she doesn't even say it with like, hate in her heart. Yeah. You know what, she's not saying it to me, she's like, well, I can't be manipulated. And if you feel that way, you feel that way.

It's like very, I'm like, she's incredible. Yeah, cause she's like, when people say stuff about me, it doesn't impact me, it doesn't affect me. I know who I am. Why don't you know who you are? And then I did see an interview where Rena, and she did do Watch What Happens Live a couple of months ago,

but I saw an interview with her where they asked her about Housewives and she was like, I would love to film with that Bose. I would love to. And like, obviously Erica and Kyle, but like all the other women, I don't care about or something. But the way that she said it kind of gave a little hint

that I was like, maybe she might be asked back to your Fox Four. Fox Four is coming back regardless. What did you guys think of Erika opting out of giving whatever designer any credit? When she was like, oh, I had some designer. I can see both sides. I think she asked for it for free

and was like, hey, I'd love to wear this to the reunion if you'd like to gift it to me. And they were like, sorry, no, not possible. And then she paid full price for it. And she was like, well, then I'm not gonna shout you out because that's worth a lot of money and I'm not doing that. I kinda get it.

It's like, yeah. When it comes to that type of marketing or branding, in our experience, a lot of people have no problem asking for free marketing without, and it's like they both want it because they think it'll add value to their business, but they don't like to acknowledge how much value that might be.

And they still wanna get paid. And like, it's, if Nellie's right, I see her side. It's just- But cause it's like, they weren't sitting down, like obviously they were recording, but it didn't, it wasn't like a interview question for Erica. It was just Andy being like, oh my God, who is that, love what you're wearing?

And she was just like, yeah, some designer. I mean, I also see like online, this is just chatter of people being like, well, maybe it's just a good look, not to mention designers given like lawsuits coming out, but she was just like, let's not throw a name out there. Oh, it could be. Out of just respective image.

So I think like, it could be as simple as that. You think Erica was looking out for her designer's behalf because she didn't want to attach her name to that? No, I'm saying. No, I think looking out for her behalf in the sense of how much did that dress cost? Like if people going- Because the show is cited in the lawsuit, so it's more just like,

just for protection of everybody and respect of herself, just not to- Yeah. Makes sense um erica telling garcel that she wish she was more interesting justice for carcel like i said that was rough that's wild i guess i don't i don't know how i would react to somebody looked me in the eye and said i just wish you were more interesting i saw a list of someone like writing out everything that garcel has shared about her life this season and like nobody gives her credit like it's just the fact that she doesn't share it in a toxic drama way because she talked about her son's like sobriety she talked about her son being bullied and not gives her credit. It's just the fact that she doesn't share it in a toxic drama way.

She talked about her son's sobriety. She talked about her son being bullied and not wanting to be on the show. Also, I'm sorry, I wasn't married to a criminal and then accused of being maybe a co-operating with said cr- I don't know. An accomplice. Yeah, sorry.

Co-operating. Co-operating, come for me. Come for me. Sorry I won't be named in the Erin Brockovich sequel. Yeah, I mean, that was a dirty thing for Erica to say. But it was iconic. And I thought they were fine. I was like, we did something happen.

That seems like one of Erica's just like little things that she throws out and then it's like, a shh, the other person's like, oh my God. It's like, Jesus. She was like, what? I just said I wish you were more interesting. Yeah. Yeah, to that point, Erica, like, I give her respect

because she's fast with responses. And if you don't receive it, she's like, OK. Yeah. So we are, and I guess that was me that guess. Decide who hasn't been picked on enough and then just focus their energy on that person. That's why it's I think it's good Garcelle is leaving because she's kind of leaving at the height

of like people enjoying her and people liking her. And before these women tear her to shreds next season. Yeah. Like they're gonna be ruthless. Kyle did have a gotcha when she was like, well, like your son didn't want to be on the show. Why should Morgan be on the show? Ooh. Yeah.

And I was like, I'm team Garcelle, but I was like, you gotta point. Yeah, I'm with Kyle there. It's just like, it's not, if she wants to respect her friend, like if a friend comes on as a favor for whatever reason. Doesn't like the response. And asks to not be a part of it,

like for the rest of the women to just demand. Especially someone who like has her own career and is like doing things for herself to be like. And it could affect her. It's like, oh things for herself to be like, yeah. It's like, yeah, I was definitely, I was definitely team Kyle there. And then also Garcelle bringing up stuff Kyle said to her and Sutton off camera. Well, I think that's valid. I think it's valid.

I think all of them are using Garcelle as like a pawn off camera and then throwing her under the bus when she says something that we all talked about. Cause even Bo's being like, yeah, talk to Garcelle before we film. Like, it's like, she's the person everybody's talking to. But it's also just like not the gotcha moment that you think it is, where it's like when people are like, oh, we had this conversation off camera, and it's like, cool, we didn't see it.

So it's just like, we just have to take your word for it, but that didn't add anything to your argument. But then to Nick's point, it's like we watch the show and we want to act like there isn't, like this isn't a job or that we're having stuff outside the show happen, you know, like Garcelle's saying stuff that everybody's talking about and then they're acting like, I never said that. Even saying like, well, all I said was this.

And she's like, no, you didn't. That was wild. When Andy in the beginning of the show, like asked Kyle before the reunion actually started about like the double standard, did any of you understand Kyle's response? No. I was like, huh?

What did she, I didn't make it, I don't even know what she said, but I was like, did you, is that a, did you hear his question? Sounded like a quote. I was like, I'm not really sure. Yeah, it did sound like a quote. Yeah.

I was like, I'll think, like something you saw at Bed Bath & Beyond, and I was like, okay, whatever you say, Kyle, I'll see you in your crystals. There's something about, I do, I kind of have a soft spot for Kyle. I do not agree with with the way she has handled specifically the Dorit situation,

but I think she's obviously going through a lot in her life right now, and I think some of them are really intentional about the way they're trying to get her to break. And I don't know. And I obviously have not seen every single season of Beverly Hills I'm starting from the beginning, but like I don't know. It's just I don't know. I kind of feel bad for it She's obviously going through it. Who do you think is trying to make Kyle break the most?

Garcelle really I think she's she's the one that keeps bringing up Morgan She's the one who's like really really bringing up Morgan and Kyle obviously does not wanna talk about it on camera right now, which I think she's allowed to not wanna talk about that on camera if she's not ready. Kyle did call her out too when she was like, you were trying to get Sutton to come for me. And she's like, no, I wasn't.

I was trying to have her defend me. And she's like, defend you in coming for me. Yeah, if you're gonna go after Kyle, just go after her for just clearing up up, are you her and Mo? Cause I'm just tired of that scene over and over. It's just whatever. Next week, our guest is acting with Kyle on the hit show, Wild Card.

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Yeah, it's a great name. Thank you. It's the only one I have. Did your parents know you're going to be hot when you, when you. When they gave you that Italian alliteration. Like he's going to have to be with his name. He has no choice. We're going to give him this name. He's going to have to grow into it.

Yeah. He's just going to have to rise to the level. It really worked out. You couldn't have had like an awkward stage with that. Well, look, I was raised in Canada and there was a lot of like Doug's and Nathan and Justin's and I was Jackamo. So it was very weird. Okay.

Small town in north of Ontario and Canada. So, yeah. And it was, were you ever, did you ever like give yourself a nickname Jack or? Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh, I was like, my whole goal was to assimilate. Like I'm not Italian, I'm not, I'm like you guys. You know what I mean?

I'm not different. My best friend, his name is Marcos. And he'd be like, my name is Marcos. Marcus, Mark, Mark. And he's, yeah, Mark, fuck it. I don't care. I don't care. Yeah, exactly. Especially in college, you know, basement parties,

everyone's drinking, it's really loud. Yeah. He was Mark. You're like, I'm not gonna yell it three more times. He's like, why is everyone calling you Mark? It's a long story. So you are performing with Kyle Richards next week, or acting.

Yes, yes. We have a very exciting episode on wildcards. That's all very sort of a housewives themed. Now, did you do any like watching of the housewives that prepped for that? I didn't. Okay. I didn't.

And I think it was, it was the most fun was watching everyone at work freak out that she was coming to work and me not really understanding and being like, Oh yeah, like they just told me, like, we have this like really great talent from the housewives and like, she's going to come here and she's going to add like such value to our episode because she's like in that world. She's so iconic and recognizable and everything.

And I was like, happy. I was like thrilled. I was like, great, but I didn't watch the show. I didn't know, you know, who she was. And then when she came on set, everyone was just, especially the women, were freaking out. She's iconic. I mean, it's a great idea for a scene

because these like dinner party scenes are iconic in this universe. And to think like, you would think a crime would eventually happen with all the arguing and the fights. I have to give it to Kyle, because like I don't think everyone in that position can have the sense of humor that she does to be able to kind of like poke fun at yourself, your own industry, your own show reality.

Like she really had such a great sense of humor about going all in and being like, yeah, like let's make fun of this. Like let's, you know, like let's make people laugh. Let's entertain people with like how ridiculous some of these things can be. Right. She was such a good sport to just go along for the ride and our writers wrote all these like most ridiculous hilarious things you know making fun of sort of like reality parts of television that are that are very

comical and stuff and she just went for it and was so terrific. Have you done a lot of acting with more traditional like non-actors like Kyle who come in and do a scene or some easier to work with than others? Well, what I learned about Kyle is she's actually been acting for a very long time and she's really, really talented. So I was so pleasantly surprised and I got to do some really nice scenes with her.

So I was just like, wow, she's terrific. She's like a child actress. She was the little girl in Halloween. She was a child actress? Yeah, and then she did the last Halloween with Jamie Lee Curtis. Well, we have a clip for season two trailer of Wild Cards. Let's play the clip for our audience.

Because if they haven't seen it, it's a real fun show. You lied to me, Max. You played me like I was one of your marks. You didn't catch me. Give me one reason why I should believe a single word out of your mouth. Because I know who killed your brother. I need my best people on this. That means you. Her too. Grab your fuzzy balls and come with me. Who has more fun than us? Everybody. Slow down.

So now do I get a badge? What happened to our a maybe don't smash that one Bam Bam Can't go five minutes without committing a felony. I didn't commit crimes. I helped rich people part ways with their money. What's the difference? Whatever happened to trusting your partner the only person you can count on is you trusting you as a biggest mistake I ever made there's one on the date Good for nothing dick. We just solved a murder before it even happened. Now we can arrest Scarf Man and Hottie. Oh yeah, I'll get right on that. Wild Cards season premiere,

Wednesday, February 5th on the CW. There we go. Exciting. Is it weird watching yourself? Do you watch any of your work? A little bit. Yeah. I mean, I'm very involved with like the producers and everything and how the show is shaped and stuff like that. I care about that stuff. So I've seen these trailers and I've, you know.

Was that Martin Sheen that I saw in there? It was, yeah. That's gotta be pretty cool. It was, I didn't believe my producer when they said we got him. I was like, did he get him? Like you're lying or whatever. Until he showed up, I didn't believe it.

What was that like? It was incredible. He came in for a day and we did a ton of work with him. We like a very full shooting day. We wanted to sort of like maximize his time with us and he's of a certain age So you want to also be like, okay, let's not like kill the guy here Like let's like get a respectable work day and then like let him go home But because of we captured so much in one day

We were able to like get enough content that we could kind of sprinkle it throughout the season So he's got a pretty big presence in our in our season Which is really nice. How different was playing a cop versus playing a doctor? I think less medical jargon, which makes my brain bleed. And I think it's just a little bit more fun because the cop is out on the streets, he's chasing down the bad guys, he's solving crimes, he's going from place to place where it's like,

the doctor, just like in real life, you're stuck at the hospital, that's it, you're there. Yeah, he's solving crimes, he's going from place to place where it's like, the doctor, just like in real life, you're stuck at the hospital, like that's it, you're there. You know what I mean? And so. So many medical terminology I bet is just like wrapped. Arguably just as exciting and thrilling because you know what these surgeons are doing is literally like playing God,

like holding people's lives in their hands, but yeah. Are you good at fake punching people? Yeah, I've been doing it a long time. So it's basically just like you being like, it's like the little 10 year old boy, Jack, I'm all like having a blast and being like, I'm still playing pretend. I'm still doing this.

Like, yes. Have you ever been in a real fight? I have. Yeah. I was bullied a lot when I was younger because I was just really short and my name, of course, I talk about my name. Okay.

Very different. And so, uh, yeah, I was like so short until like my last year of high school. Like all those like really embarrassing like childhood photos where they put you all on the benches and then like give you the different levels and of course like the shortest ones like you're the front row.

I have all front rows. Yes, but then when you became a man and adult, did you have a lot of people from the past reach out and just be like, hey, sorry, like, you wanna go on a date? Yeah. No, not too much. I kind of like left my, I mean, it's even hard for me to go home, honestly,

like this little town where I'm from, Perry Sound, Ontario, cause it's just like, every year that I spent away from it, I just like grew further and further and further from that place to get to a point where it's like, you don't really have anything to connect anymore with certain people that you grew up with, right? You're just on a different trajectory.

Yeah. How did you meet your wife? She is a makeup and hair artist, had been, and I was doing a photo shoot for a magazine, and she was doing my makeup and hair. Who asked who out? I did. Yeah, I asked everybody in the crew for their number

and I couldn't care less about anyone from the crew's number. I just wanted her number. I just need everyone. But I didn't wanna be like, give me your number. That's very true. I was like, hey everyone, like you guys, right? Like I was like, oh, we had such a blast today.

Like we should all exchange information so we can future like work together, like all of us together. And then I was like, delete, delete, delete, delete. Great, this is the one I wanted. That's very smooth. That is really smooth. Cause you never really know like, you know.

Put someone on the spot. Yeah, you're at work, it's a work setting, it's like, you know. That was good. So when you reached out, were you like, hey, this was my plan all along. I had some weird advice from my other actor friend, Matt Murray. Um, he, uh, I was like, I really like this girl.

Like I can't, I can't mess this up. And I'm sure she has tons of like. Tractive guys sitting in her chair every, every day and like hit on her and ask her for her number. I'm like, how do I like stand out from like these crowds? She probably has this whole, and actors are known for being very vain and into themselves and stuff. I'm like, great, how do I combat this stereotype

and stick out? And he's like, it's the end of November. It's like, wait a month. It's gonna be Christmas. She's gonna be home with her family. She's gonna be in her feelings. She's gonna be emotional. And that's when you strike.

And I was like, interesting. I was like, very, very, okay. And I was like, interesting. I was like, very, very like, okay. And I did it. I did just that. I waited like a month, which now she was like, she was like, why did you wait a month to text me, you idiot? But it worked.

It worked. So yeah, I just sent her a text message over the Christmas break, just being like, hey, I'm just thinking about you and I'd love to see you when you get back. She was in Northern California and I was in Canada. And I just said, hey, why don just thinking about you and I'd love to see you when you get back. She was in Northern California and I was in Canada and I just said, hey, why don't we get back from the break? Why don't we get together?

I'd love to see you. So that was sort of the beginning. Is she your, like, any time you book a new job, are you like, I actually have my own hair and makeup person I would like to bring? Not on film and television jobs, but like if we do like a magazine or like a promotional thing, then yeah, we work together.

That's like, yeah. That's fun. That is nice, cause you know, just, every time you sit in a new chair. For sure. You never know. It's like, oh my God. Like, what are you, what are you doing to me?

It's like, you really made my eyebrows thick. You're like, whoa. Uh-oh. That's true. How was it coming off? Obviously Grey's Anatomy, just an iconic show. It's been on for a long time. What was it like coming off that show,

your character dying? As an actor, I feel like there's a rite of passage to die in a scene, but at the same time, then you're kind of done. Is that a weird kind of transition? I kind of liked that though, because it's like, I mean, it's more dramatic. There's nothing more dramatic than death. And it is a drama.

So it's like, great. We like nailed that. But yeah, I don't know. I think the leaving the door open is certain nice for certain characters. And I think a lot of fans were really upset and still are upset that I was killed off. But it made great television.

And like, that's, you have to understand, like, that's what the writers are trying to do. They're trying to make great gripping television. And it's like, there are safer choices, but they're not as entertaining. And it's like, if you're heartbroken that moment, then they're like, yeah, that's what we were trying to do. Is there like a meta moment?

Like, you know, you watch a good show and your favorite character dies. Like, there's still movies or TV shows I watch and I know what death scene's coming. And I sometimes just kind of fast forward through it because it just like gets me. When you're dying and you watch it back, is there like a weird, like, I know you played the role,

but like, is it ever in a weird like way? It's just like, wow, I died there, you know, in a weird kind of way. I think it's more metaphorical for me. I'm less reacting to my character dying and I'm more as a human reacting to the fact that that chapter in my life is finished, right? That I'm gonna be now going to a new chapter

and doing other things. Did you always know that your character would be bipolar? No. No, and often big story storylines for, for care on, on any show, really the writers from the moment you're hired, they become detectives, right? They're trying to figure out who you are, what you can do, your strengths, your weaknesses and start writing.

And so when an actor has been on a show for a long time, they usually get really good because the writers start to write towards that actor and that character and when those two things start to mend, you have like a really great character on television. I mean, the range, obviously, of a bipolar character, you get a lot of challenges with that. Like how did you prep for that?

Was that even also kind of fun to challenge yourself, you know, having such emotional ranges? I have bipolar and other mental illnesses in my family, so it was something that was like very close to me. I have a very close and personal reference to that and so that was sort of like where I started and then I just like you know read some some books that were more like just fact-based like studying like different you know it's also a spectrum kind of like autism like I could put put 10 people in a room, all line them up that have bipolar. They all have completely different stories and ways.

And when they switch from manic to depressive and like, it's just a completely different thing. There's not like one cookie cutter thing. And that's why we had a lot of talks about like, okay, like, what is he like? What does he specifically suffer from? How does he suffer so that we could tell a story that was just sort of, um, kind of original to, to, to him. So you like cruising on your bike. Yeah, I'm a cyclist I guess that's like a nice hobby that I have how long you been in there for I started just before the pandemic It was a really funny thing because I was just looking for something to get me outside Trying to make exercise more fun that it wasn't so like I'm working out

I was like just something's fun. So I always kind of liked being on a bicycle, but I had never like taken it seriously, like from a perspective of like doing it for hours and training up to that level and climbing hills and stuff like that. So I bought a bike, I started riding and then the whole world shut down and we had the pandemic. And then I had other friends and people who were like,

oh God, like we're locked down, we can't do anything. Like I'm gonna get a bicycle and you couldn't get a bicycle. They were completely sold out, like we're locked down. We can't do anything. Like I'm going to get a bicycle and you couldn't get a bicycle. They were completely sold out like worldwide. Like everyone just sort of came up with the idea of like, Oh, I have a bike. Like that'll be like my mental health thing that I do to like get out of my house. Yeah. But you couldn't get them.

It was like literally like the, they just flew off the shelves and anybody who was in a bike selling business made ton of money because they could just sell them for like, Oh, I don't know. Like $20,000. Great. And people like, great. Like, yes, give me a bicycle. I'm going crazy.

I'm stuck in my house. Did you start like a, like a bike club with your friends for those who got like a it's always been a very solo kind of thing for me, which I like, like it's meditative, like I, I feel like I solve a lot of problems when I'm out there. I'm just thinking, I don't know. It's like even the shower, like sometimes you ever just be in the shower and you're just alone with your thoughts. There's no technology, there's no nothing. And you're like, Oh, be in the shower and you're just alone with your thoughts, there's no technology, there's nothing,

and you're like, oh, there's that problem that I'm trying to solve, like there we go. I mowed a lawn for the first time. Yeah, there you go. In like 20 some years, I did it as a kid over and over and over, and like living in the city for the past 20 years, I didn't need to. You're stuck with your thoughts.

Yeah, and so like usually in LA, I have someone mow the lawn, so you have a patch of grass, it's like, whatever, here's 25 bucks. You know where to store a mower. But then I mowed a lawn, it was like really, it was like, I'm gonna keep doing this, because you put the AirPods on, you listen to some music or a podcast or something,

and you just kind of zone out. You zone out, yeah. It's great. What do you and your wife like to do for fun? We aren't very materialistic people. We don't like buying items. We like doing trips and experiences. So that's where we decide to invest our money.

So instead of buying a handbag or a cool car or a Rolex, it's like I have an Apple Watch. That's the most expensive watch I own. And we like being like, oh, let's go to this hotel. Let's go to this cabin for the weekend. Oh, there's this like cool, like a Tiki thing on the beach. We found in this like place, like let's fly there or like, have you found a favorite kind of hole in the wall place or place that you and your wife have been like, we have to go back.

Like this is a gym. There was this place. That'll be ruined and everyone would be there. No, it's funny. We, um, I've been shooting wildcards in Vancouver and, um, there's this place on the way up to Whistler between Vancouver and Whistler, uh, called Nita Lake and they have this place called the Nita Lake Lodge. And it's like what you would imagine of a lodge, you know, big like wood cabin lodge very simple like not fancy

But like all the details done very well. They got a nice spa. It's on a lake. You can like kayak and canoe There's walking trails. It's just very about kind of like unplugging and and just being connected with nature And so I've had a couple breaks while I've been there shooting I think it was like the Thanksgiving weekend and some other weekend We we shoot up there and we go there for like three days. Also, we have a dog, so it's like dog friendly. That's like huge. That's like the place has to have like be dog friendly.

So we have a great time there, just like unplugging and just like going for a kayak in the morning with a cup of coffee and going for a walk. Do you like shooting in Vancouver? Yeah, it's beautiful. Especially in the summer when it's not raining so much, it's gorgeous. What is like considered some, like when do we start summer in Vancouver? Yeah, it's beautiful. Especially in the summer when it's not raining so much. It's gorgeous. What is considered, when do we start summer in Vancouver?

Do we know? Yeah, I mean like June. Is it? Yeah, June, July. I didn't know it was like, you know. The island is also really beautiful, Vancouver Island. Okay, I've never been to Vancouver either. There's a place called Tifino.

I've never been to Vancouver either. There's a place called Tifino, so you're on the ocean and surfers come there from all over the world to surf as well. Another really just beautiful, you wanna just kinda unplug a lot like cabin and nature and beaches and it's really pretty. Do you have a type of character or a project that's always been kind of a dream of yours to try to play next? I guess like I've been always riding the line of kind of leading man. And I think I just have way much,

much more fun playing against that. Like I like playing people who are like complicated and disturbed or evil or you know what I mean? And I have a lot, I just got back from shooting this little indie in Calgary where I was a cult leader. And I don't think I've had that much fun in a long time. Just being like, how far can I take this?

Like how, like, I'm gonna go all the way. Like this guy is absolutely- And y'all told me to reel it in. Yeah, yeah. And it's just so fun to just like slip that on. You know what I mean? And just, and then yeah, be finished your day. All cult leaders have to have some pretty good, nice eyes.

Well, if you see like, you know, those are all these like documentaries on Netflix and stuff about like cults and cult leaders have to have some pretty good, nice eyes. Well, if you see like, you know, those are all these like documentaries on Netflix and stuff about like cults and cult leaders and things and like how they came to be. And you're like, how did all these people fall for this thing? And it's usually like a handsome guy who like knows how to talk.

Yeah. Yeah. Right? And it always starts up. And says, hey, come in, like sit down. Like we have a lot of cool things here. And like. Pretty good message.

And then all of a sudden you have like 17 wives and they're all getting branded. There's like a hand on your thigh and like, and like, whoa, what is this guy? Whoa. Okay. Yeah. It's like, there's always like, you're in? Yeah, yeah, I'm in. See, that's how they happen.

So easy. God, you're so good at your job. Is there anyone from like history that you would be interested in doing a biopic on or someone that you feel like you could channel really well? Being a Roman born in Rome, I love the ancient civilization of Rome. And when I've seen films like the original Gladiator when I was growing up, those films just have my whole heart. Like if I could just teleport and like live in that time, like

had a lot of problems that time, it was very problematic. But, you know, there's something kind of like I romanticize about it. Yeah. Not all like the hunger and war and famine and strife. I like romanticize all the like fighting as a gladiator and stuff. It's like, yeah, I'm like, I'm a guy. The swords and the armor and stuff. Have you seen the second gladiator? I have seen it, yeah.

Do you think it holds up? I'm a big Ridley Scott fan. So I just like the spectacle of it all, how large and grandiose it is, is beautiful to me. And Denzel was terrific, yeah. I think there's certain moments of like the historical inaccuracies that give me a little, like there's sharks

in the coliseum swimming around. Did it eat the sharks? Yeah. At that that point just put laser beams on their head to like go full like. Yeah that was probably maybe the big only gripe I had because you're like it was never gonna live up to the first one fine. Yeah that was no and it shouldn't have been and I think that was good but no I thought the cast did great it was a beautiful film I was engaged the whole time I was never bored and the energy maintained I thought it was a beautiful film. I was engaged the whole time. I was never bored and the energy maintained. I thought it was a great film.

That is so true. I remember being like, how did they get that water in there? And how was it staying? And then the sharks, how are they? Did they need them with treats? How did they transport them from whatever ocean they got them?

Yeah. Yesterday there were no sharks. And there is records of ships being brought in, but like they weren't that big and there wasn't that much water. It was like small little boats. It was like a... Yeah, that was crazy.

I forgot about that scene. Do you have any fun summer plans coming up? Fun summer plans. Every year I try to go to Italy because my grandmother's there, my family's there. So I definitely, so I have plans in May to go. Is Rome your favorite city in Italy? Like if we were to go back to Italy

I thought I've been to Venice. There's a lot of really beautiful ones. I think Bologna is one of my favorite cities I shot a Italian film there years ago and I got to live there for like almost six months and it is Terrific apart from it being probably one of the best food in all of Italy. Just the north is just Terrific, but it was just like this small little city, not a town. It's a proper city. It has like all the things you could possibly want, but you can walk from one side to the other in like half an hour.

It's got one of the biggest universities there. So you have like this injection of like youth and culture and life. And you hear like Spanish and German and French at, at restaurants, because all the young students from all over are studying there. So it's just very cool melting pot, very artistic. There's a music school there too. So you have like young musician students that are like playing on the streets and like art.

It's just, it's a very inspiring place. So you're fluent in Italian music. Is your wife also or? She's not, she's working on it and she's been working on it for nine years now. Yes, of course. It's a slow burn, but we're getting there. Are you teaching her or is she like don't come back and forth It's like sometimes I'll try teaching and sometimes she'll use the apps and stuff So yeah, it's always better when we're there and spending time there

She gets back into the groove But then when we leave it's like it's hard to kind of like maintain it before she started learning Italian Would would you ever like say things behind her back in Italian if you're really mad? No. No. No. She was like, I'm gonna remember that.

What did you just say? Nothing, nevermind. Yeah. That's funny. You like games? Of course, yeah, sure. Sure. I'm waiting for the guest who says no.

Let me rephrase. No. No. Depends. Yeah, it depends on if you have to explain the rules to me, I don't wanna play the game. You know, there's nothing worse than being like, sure, let's play Monopoly, how do you play?

And then someone's like, all right, so if you have, it's like, yeah, I can't do it, I can't do it. But then, if you land here, you have to go back three spaces, roll around. Are there a lot of rules to this game, Mary? It's actually three pages of just rules. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry.

Terrific. Okay. We can start, no, I'm just kidding. So this game is, it's just a very silly game. It's called, is this a reality TV scandal or like a crime show scandal? And we're gonna list off some like scandals from TV. But these are like real things that happened?

Real things that happened in reality TV. They either really happened on a reality TV show or they were an actual scene. Like a written plot or someone wrote it. Oh, in like a fictional TV. And you're gonna have to guess. Okay. What's what?

Did the writers write this or is this real life for some people? Okay. All right, so up first we have becoming so addicted to tanning that your skin turns into leather and you have to go to the hospital. I'm gonna guess like a reality TV show. Yeah, that feels reality.

Like real life. That's how it feels. It feels reality, it's from CSI Miami. What? I used to be a punk. I used to be a punk. Yeah. CSI Miami. Miami Wood.

Yeah. Okay. Helping your husband fake cancer. Helping your husband fake cancer? Helping your husband fake cancer? Mm-hmm. I'm gonna go real on that one. Dr. DeLuca, what are we thinking? Yeah, it is Vicky Gumbelson from The Real Swing Channel.

Vicky did that? Allegedly. Allegedly. We have to say that, allegedly. Allegedly. Vicky, we love you. Faking a pregnancy to keep your husband from leaving. I would probably go up that it was written.

Written? It is from Glee. Glee. There you go. Faking a law degree to everyone you know. That's pretty close. God, yeah. I don't know. I feel like this is reality. Is this Craig Conover? It's a trick question. It is both Craig Conover from Southern Charm and it also happened in Suits.

Getting arrested by the FBI for a long con committing elder fraud. Television? Nope. Reality? Jen Shaw from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. She's currently in jail. All the Real Housewives?

Doing all these crimes? Yes. She's currently in jail with Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah. Serving devil. You got Kyle who, to our knowledge, Doing all these crimes? Yes. Oh my god. She's currently in jail with Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah. Serving gentlemen, you got Kyle who, to our knowledge, has not had any- Crime free. Yeah, Kyle's crime free.

My wife Nicole would know all of this because she's like in the true crime like every other woman is. Yes, of course. She'd be like, oh yes, that happened in 1991. I know. The joke that's like women fall asleep by hearing like, and her head was cut off, her legs were cut off. It's actually women fall asleep by hearing like and her head was cut off It's actually true

And next up we have leaving your wife to go back to your ex who you secretly had kids with true No, it's from Grey's Anatomy Getting banned from Carvel ice cream for life after scamming the company. That seems too specific to be television. Yeah, Carvel Ice Cream. That feels real. Reality. No, it's from 30 Rock, but it was a 30 Rock episode that Kelsey Grammer was in

and Kelsey Grammer did have his wife, previous wife, Camille Grammer, on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Did she get banned from an ice cream shop? No, he just divorced her after putting her on the show. While having an affair. What do you mean he put her on the show? Kelsey Grammer put his wife, Camille, on the shows to give her something to do so he could go to New York and have an affair and then he left her in the first season. Is this an alleged...

No, this is literally the plot of the first season of Beverly Hills. Wow. And he had another family that he had kids with? No, no, no, no. No, he just was also in a dirty rock. Did he ever watch Housewives? He was in it. People talk about rumors a lot.

If you're gonna... Yeah, this was early days. It's gonna get brought up. Like, he was in George County. It's not a way to fly under the radar. Yeah, anyway. Next up we have, returning a puppy you got from a friend to a kill shelter.

Oh my God, that is horrible. Jesus. That is horrible. Why am I afraid it's reality TV? It's reality TV. And it didn't technically happen. It's, so Dureet, so Dureet got a dog from Lisa Vanderpump's Vanderpump Dogs.

The dog didn't work for her family. She gave it to a friend, and then the friend sent the dog to a kill shelter, but then Lisa basically brought all of this to the show to make it seem like Duree dropped it off at a kill shelter. And that's why Lisa Vanderpump ended up leaving the show. Well, I mean, Duree should have made sure

whoever she gave this dog to. I mean, who would ever be like, yeah, let me take this dog to a kill, who would ever think that your friend would do that? It's probably one of the worst seasons of Beverly Hills Housewives too, because that was the entire storyline for the entire season. Good lord.

Apple goosey, juicy, apple goosey. Does this make you wanna watch reality TV? Are you like, you know? No, it sounds terrifying. I want some bad people. It's good character study. It sounds vile. They do some pretty awful things to each other.

Cheating on your husband with a man that looks identical to him. So it's like husband 2.0. Slightly improved maybe. It's like when you still liked him, you know. Yeah. Oh, you're like like when you still liked him, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, you're like him when I still liked him. Yeah. I remember you. I remember you. Real? It's from Severance. Severance. Oh, yeah.

Okay, do you watch Severance? I do, yeah. I'm not all caught up. I know the finale happened. I think I'm like two or three episodes behind. Are you watching White Lotus? I've only watched the first episode of that. Okay.

God. You are so busy. Yes, I've been very busy lately. Ruining your vacation with friends by getting arrested for a felony. Written. Nope. It's from the show Vanderpump Rules. Jack Taylor got arrested for stealing hug bosses when he was on vacation.

He started really strong. You did. I just been struggling. Yeah. I got two right and then it's just been wrong really strong. And then he's been struggling. Yeah. It's like a two right and then it's just been wrong. You have more faith in humanity. That is what it is.

You're just like, this can't be real stories. Yeah, someone had to have written these. And then last but not least, we have a high profile lawyer embezzling client settlement funds and getting arrested for that. I'm gonna say written. So written. Written?

Tom Gerardi. It's Tom Gerardi. It's reality television. You guys know too much about the reality. Well, kind of a movie. I'm gonna say written. Written? Tom Jardy. Tom Jardy. It's reality television. See, you guys know too much about the reality. Well, kind of a movie, I don't watch those shows. because Tom Jardy is the lawyer, they based the lawyer in Aaron Brockovich on,

and then he ended up in real life. Really? Yeah. So the scene, have you seen Aaron Brockovich? Yes. You know the scene where like the big shot lawyer comes in and like helps the smaller one, they team up, and then Aaron Brockovich's character kind of goes

through all the phone numbers. Yeah. He's the male act, the male lawyer who comes in, who's the big shot is playing Tom Girardi, Erica Jane's husband. Isn't that movie really old? Yeah. So they knew like all along

that Tom Girardi was a scumbag? No, like Tom Girardi before he was a scumbag was a lawyer who successfully went after corporations and seemingly helped the small person. He just ended up stealing their money. Yeah, yes of course. So. Okay.

Anyway, that's my game. That's our game. I learned a lot. Yes. Thank you. And we are here to teach. Most importantly, you learned you will not be tuning in to Real Housewives. Kyle never did.

I get what I said. You're a pretty good person. Thank you, I appreciate it. Jack and Moe's has been a lot of fun. Thanks for coming and chatting with us. Everyone check out, if you haven't already, season two of Wild Cards, especially next week. If you are a big fan of Kyle and Housewives, tune in.

You see Jack and Moe and Kyle work together. It's a fan of Kyle and Housewives, tune in. You see Giacomo and Kyle work together. It's a lot of fun and we appreciate you coming on. Thank you guys, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, thanks for coming. Well, that was fun, Giacomo, what a sweet guy. Okay, you've been saying it with an accent all along and now you're like, Giacomo.

Giacomo, well, thank you for for Jackamo for coming on the show. Jackamo, it's a fun word to say. His name, he's got a good name. He was like, it's the only one I have. So. Good old Jack. His co-star Vanessa Morgan was also in Riverdale. I auditioned for that show.

You auditioned for Riverdale? For Veronica, yeah. Oh my God. Oh really? Yeah, didn't get it. So. short story. Short story. Short story.

Not much to say. I wanna ask. We're gonna talk about it later. I wanna ask you about it. There's nothing else to say. I'm here, so. You do look like a Veronica. Thank you.

I do see it. I had a great audition. Hey David Rappaport. Good enough. I see you. I still made it on camera, okay you I still made it on camera, okay It's a different camera You are good at this camp but look where you are. Yeah, yeah, Sarah you could have ended up in a quadruple

That's crazy That's okay, I love my supporting role. That's crazy. In life. In life. Aw. I'm crying because I'm laughing. Well, I'm excited to see that episode of Wild Card with Kyle.

Me too. Not me, not knowing she was an actor. She's literally like an iconic. She's literally the little girl in Halloween. I watched Halloween for Kyle Richards. She's in the original. The little brunette girl that Jamie Lee Curtis is babysitting in Halloween is Kyle Richards.

And they brought her back for the last two. They did. Did you ever see Escape to Rich Mountain? Also Escape to Rich Mountain. That's where her sisters were. Her sister was like the little blonde girl. They're childhood actresses. They are.

Kyle. The crazy thing about Kyle and Kim Richards is like the difference between like the career trajectory of like Jodie Foster and Kim Richards. There's like one single line that they went off differently. And that blows my mind. Yeah, anyway. Also Escape to Witch Mountain.

I used to watch that every day. My ultimate favorite movie. It's a great movie. When I was a kid, I used to watch that all the time. Okay, all right. I just watched it again recently. Escape to, Escape from, Escape, what are they? Was Kyle in all those?

Oh no, Kim was in just Escape to Witch Mountain. The original. Okay. Well, Sydney Sweeney is less fun to say. It is. It is. Sydney Sweeney is single. And my DMs are open.

No, I want you to say that five times fast. Sydney Sweeney is single. I can't. Not even once. It's so hard. The men of the world rejoice. Yes. And the women. And the women.

And the ladies. Natalie did say her DMs are open. So are mine. We are looking for a third, Sydney. She's here. I'm going to go by the way of Tyler. Sydney, I'd be cool if you just like did whatever you wanted to do. I'll stay at home.

I don't even know what that means. What does that even mean? You know, the old Glenn Powell, she can do whatever with the media. And I'll sit. I'll sit. I'll sit. I'll sit. I'll sit.

I'll sit. I'll sit. I'll sit. I'll sit. I'll sit. I'll stay at home. I don't even know what that means. What does that even mean? You know, the old Glenn Powell, she can do whatever with the media. And I'll sit, I'll sit back in my chair. If she wants to fake a relationship, go for it. Mary, the way that you said that. I'll just sit back and let you do whatever you want. I'm shooting my shot. It worked for Travis Kelce.

You were intimating a lot there. Intimating. I didn't mean to do that. I'm shooting my shot. It worked for Travis Kelce. You were intimating a lot there. Intimating. I didn't mean to do that. I really, I think her and Glenn just need to do it. Yeah. I mean, a date, not... Well, according to Glenn Powell's mom, Cindy,

they are definitely not together. She said, we love Sydney. We've considered her just a really, really good friend. We were all together so much, and we haven't seen her in a long time. She's really a friend and we all enjoy her so much and we haven't seen her in a long time. She's really a friend and we all enjoy her. There's nothing going on behind closed doors. Yes.

Listen, that, this is what I've been saying all along. I felt like that's why she was at the sister's wedding is when they were filming that movie together. I'm sure his family was there a lot of the time. She got close with his sister. She got married. She's like, Sidney, you have to come, please come. To my wedding.

But they're just both extraordinarily hot people. It doesn't help that Glenn's girlfriend at the time, they did like break up and there was like that drama. She was not down for the fun. Yeah. Didn't you spend New Year's Eve with her? And Glenn. Mm-hmm.

So do you have any tea on Glenn and Sid or? Nope, I just think that in the same, I'll compare it to Dorit and PK, but it's like when you put your career and everything above your relationship and leave the person that cares for you most in the dark. So you feel for the ex-girlfriend. 100%, 100%.

Okay, all right, well. I remember her like post on Instagram that was like, like finally three or something. Yeah, she was like walking by herself or something. She moved, she like started a new life and like she looks fabulous. It was very like, fucking Glenn Powell. Yeah.

I mean, listen, I get their actors and I get they got a movie to promote, but yeah. Yeah. Do y'all remember the Jessica Chastain, one of my favorite actors of all time. Oh, yeah, yeah. And it's the- Oscar Isaacs?

Yes, them on the red carpet. They're on the red carpet, and he's like caressing her. Oh my God. And then people are like, wait, he's married? Like no one knew, and we're like. That is a moment, that's my Roman Empire. I think of that red carpet moment constantly I'm so glad you brought that back into my memory

What do you think about it? Well, I also did not know he was married Um, I loved the two of them in what's the name of that show that they're in? It was scenes from a marriage. It was a remake of it was a yeah remake of a movie And I just remember watching, it was like a video of them on the red carpet and the way that he like kissed her arm. It was just so romantic. It was like literally any woman who ever watched that scene

turned to their husband and said, why don't you look at me like that? And it was like, well, because they're acting. They don't- They're very talented. He's got a wife and that's not her. They one-upped the like whisper and laugh in the ear on the red carpet.

You know how a lot of couples like to do that and you're like, what are they saying? Cause whatever it was, it was so funny. Cause now like- Usually it's smile, laugh, laugh, smile. Pretend you're saying something funny and then you laugh. Pretend you're saying something like, she's laughing. Usually it's smile, laugh, laugh, smile. I think you have to look over here. Pretend I'm saying something funny and then you laugh. Pretend you're saying something like, ha ha ha.

Yeah, but now he, yeah, wow. Throwback to that. Love Jessica. Love Jessica. She's from Sacramento, my hometown. Oh, that's nice. Represent. Amazing.

I love when people get old Hollywood with it. Like with the way they do things in the press. Sidney Sweeney is getting old Hollywood with it. Do you feel like that's old Hollywood? Yes, it is. She's like a Britney Spears to me. She's like America's sweetheart to a lot of people. How about old Hollywood too is Britney Spears?

Well, okay. That's not what I was saying, but I was saying that. I don't feel like guys who are fans of her are calling her a sweetheart. Well, I think a lot of people like lust after them. Well, they're just perverted. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Exactly, yeah. But she leans in, you know? Well, she leans in. Sydney? Oh, to the like romanticness. The attention. Yeah, like they're like, well, aren't they, aren't they?

When she could very easily be like, y'all are stupid. I'm producing this movie. Yes, we want to sell it. It's like, no, like let's lean in and make you guys wonder whether or not now you want to see it because you want to see your chemistry

and like, aren't we, are we? But a source says about her breaking off her engagement, what did make her overwhelmed though was her relationship and her wedding, she didn't feel right about it and Sydney is in the middle of this magical career that she could only dream of a few years ago, this is what she wants to focus on right now,

she's not ready to settle down, they only lasted for this long because it was hard for her to break it off. They didn't split because there is no love. They split because she wants to focus on her career right now. I respect it, you know? She's definitely blowing up

and in the peak height of her career right now. And I get like, listen, planning a wedding is a lot. And I understand her being like, I don't have the fucking time for this right now. But it is sad that like she had to end a relationship over it. Relationships sometimes end and it is sad that she had to end a relationship over it. Relationships sometimes end, and it is sad, but. Didn't they have a working relationship as well?

Didn't he executive produce the majority of her projects? I know he was a producer on anyone but you. He was, yes. So that's why I think a lot of people were. Well, we're wishing everyone involved the best, especially Glenn. Up next, the hilarious comedian Eliza Schlesinger has a new hilarious special out on Amazon and she joins us next.

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and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to rocketmoney.com slash viall. Today with rocket money go to rocket money comm slash vi all today That's rocket money comm slash vi all rocket money comm slash vi all Well, I so welcome the show hey you guys, how are you? This is great. We're talking candles and babies Can we talk about your set? You know what this gives like the vibes are like you make like really expensive like hair gummies like the color It's just like in a nice it comes in a nice metal package or like it's some sort of like feminine vitamin.

Like it's a very sporty country club, feminine vitamin space. Is it making you wanna talk and open up and? It just, I'm just like, is there free merch? Like it just looks like, like creatine gummies that, you know, tone, not bulk. Okay. There's an ad for that somewhere on Ventura

and that's what made me think of it. Thanks? Yeah, I love the green. No, it's an ad for that somewhere on Ventura and that's what made me think of it. Thanks? Yeah, I love the green. It's very, it's like masculine feminine. It's a good, I like the green. Well, how have you been? I wanna talk about the set more.

I'm great. Nick's obsessed with the color green. I've been on a real green case. Well, this is a varsity green versus, you know, like a Kelly green, which is obnoxious. So this is a good green. Kelly green? Kelly green's like that Irish leprechaun kind of green.

Oh, like almost neon-ish. This is like an academic, it's called academic green because I have it in my kitchen, like a darker, like you would see this perhaps in the hallowed halls of a university or something. Like a forest. Oh, like a forest? Nick's also a Green Bay Packers fan.

I gotta be honest. I've played there. I mean, it is weird to have a whole set, like that is the culture. Like full houses are painted, like it is just, you get that in cold cities. Like the whole thing revolves around. Cause they have nothing else to really, you know.

That's why Nick's mom had 11 children. Wow. It was so cold. So cold. You had to turn to podcasting for a warm embrace. Well, they just needed one more body. 11? Just kind of sit next to each other.

Oh my God. Can you dad give your mom a break? He likes to refer to himself as Thumper, which is hard for me to personally hear. What's a weird thing, I mean I'm fine with hearing that. I don't think he gave himself that name. You think one of the kids did it? No, because the people he worked with I think did.

Are they still together? My parents? Yeah, okay, yeah I think you gotta be at I think did. Are they still together? My parents? Yeah. Okay, yeah, I think you gotta be at that point. Where else are you gonna go? You're gonna get divorced after 11? Which one are you in the 11? I'm the second oldest.

Okay, so you had some time to be like one, like kind of the story. Oh yeah, I'm an only child with 10 siblings. Yeah, that's the way to look at it. Yeah. Yeah, that's how I would look at it. I have one brother and I'm like, but it's me. Well, I have a sister older than me

and then I have two sisters after me. And then my oldest brother is seven years younger. That's a tough one. So I just kind of did my thing. It was very- Seven years. What is that? Your parents were just like,

you know what, let's pick it back up again. Yeah. Well, no, they had two girls in between. One of my closest brother is seven years older. We're still missing someone. But then, but the youngest. How's the youngest? How old is the youngest?

19. And how old are you? 44. I'm six months closer in age to my father than to my youngest sibling. Right, that's, you've done that math. You've had a flight to do that math. Well.

A flight with no wifi. Yeah, that's a good one. When the youngest was born. As you said, it's a Southwest flight. Are you gonna have 11 kids too? Cause you couldn't, I mean you're 26. I personally don't know if I could push out 11 through my vagina, but.

Why, is there something special about yours? Well, after the one, it was just, you know, it's like 11, it's really hard to think about doing that 11 times. Oh, I think it gets easier. I don't think you have to do it, I think it just doesn't. It just falls out by the 11th. No, but I just think if you did one and you wanted 11,

I think by that eighth one, you're just like, you yawn, and you're just like, oh, there it goes. I think it does get easier. I do think that's true. The second one was easier. I was like all ready to push. I was like, here we go. And they're like, here he is.

And I was like, oh, okay. Is two, like parenting two children versus one, like how much more difficult are we talking here? I'm not gonna sit here and be like, I do it all. Like I have help, but I did get like this morning, had a very emotional talk with the nanny. She's like, you got, she's Jamaican. And I do a terrible Jamaican accent,

but she's like, you do not pay enough attention to him. And I was like, yeah, cause we have you. You got lectured by your nanny? And she was right. And I felt really bad. And I was like, I have to like pull it together. But she was, and I was just like, but he's a boy. And so he's extra strong and extra squirmy.

And I'm like, it's not the funnest hang to like hold. It's like holding a crocodile or like an alligator. Like it's just rolling and my daughter's three. So I was like, but you can't just put him off until he gets older and then we'll hang out. So. I would have a hard time getting parenting notes from my nanny.

Oh really? I take all the notes from her because she knows better than I and she was our daughter's nanny. So anything I didn't know, we just asked Myrna. And so everything I know now is because of how she did it. And that's- How'd you find her? It was an accident.

Oh no. She was, she was, we were in line at Ralph's. No, I, we had hired a nanny cause that's in my mind. I was like, this is how I was going to go. I'm going to spend my money on this. I'm going to have a nanny, cause that's in my mind, I was like, this is how I was gonna go. I'm gonna spend my money on this. I'm gonna have a baby nurse that lives with us. I'm not, I'm a touring comic.

Like I've got like three jobs. Like I'm not getting up in the night longer than I have to. I don't care what anyone thinks about that. Cause you would too, if you could. And I had her all, her name was Cheryl. I had her all set. I had done like a FaceTime with her. I'm like, great.

I sent her the deposit of like a couple thousand dollars. And like four weeks before I was gonna give birth, she sends me these like really grainy videos of her like not feeling well. And I was like, this feels like a scam. And then she sent me one of her in a hospital. She was like, oh, I've got bronchitis or something. And I was-

Is it the same picture that the Brad Pitt used? Oh my God, that is so funny. This predates that, but that is so funny. And I was just like, why's your head on? Why are you white? And she was, and so I was just like, okay, well, I'm sorry, I hope you're okay, but like, what about that money?

She was like, I'm gonna send you my cousin. And I was like, I don't know your cousin. Like, I don't really know you, but like I had my heart set on you. Myrna just showed up. She sent her the money, the deposit. I came home from the hospital, there was Myrna, took my baby, and she's been with us.

That was it. When you are that vulnerable, you're like, okay, here, you seem trustworthy. I need to go take a shower. I'm gonna wash this blood off. And that's great, and she's great. And she lives with you still? She came back.

She was the first person I called when I got pregnant with my son before my parents. And I was like, can you get back here? And so she did, and she lives with us,? She came back. She was the first person I called when I got pregnant with my son before my parents. And I was like, can you get back here? And so she did and she lives with us and I hope she never leaves, but at some point I'll have to learn how to be a mother of two. So yeah. Your movie about like an ex-boyfriend

that was a crazy story. Good on paper. It's on Netflix. You can watch it now. Tyler Cameron's in it. He is. Bachelor alum. That was our big star poll.

We got Tyler Cameron and he had a cute little scene. A nice little scene. Yeah. He was real hot back then. You know, he's still hot, like physically. Yeah, nothing happened to him. He was very nice, very nice man. But I remember, we have a mutual friend, Alon Gale.

Okay, yeah. And I saw you do a standup long time ago and you told this story about, this crazy story about this ex. And I remember when the movie came out, I was like, I know this story. I've heard him tell this story about this crazy story about this ex and I remember when the movie came out, I was like, I know this story, I've heard her tell this story. It's such a great, crazy story. Can you remind my audience just a little bit of background

just because we have a lot of daters who listen to this show and it's- Remind or inform for the first time. It's basically a story about this movie that I made is a few years old now, but it's about me dating a sociopath. And it's this like story where you meet someone and they tell you all these amazing things.

And my story is a little bit different because this wasn't, this movie sort of falls into that like weird category of the Tinder swindler and like those kinds of things or Dirty John, like those kinds of things. My movie came out before all that. And I do think that these things happen, especially to women, but more than we realize.

And it's only now that people are talking about it. But I basically met someone, we were friends, and then eventually we started dating. And I learned that every single thing he had said about himself was a lie. And where my story differs from others is that he wasn't telling me things like, oh, I'm a prince, or I've got billions of dollars.

He just like said he went to like a good school and like worked at a hedge fund. Things that I am not so impressed by, it's just different. Like we live in LA. It was believable but like. Totally believable. Yeah.

So I went to Yale, I'm like, cool, so did my cousin. Do you know Brett? Like it wasn't like, oh my God, how did you ever get in there? And then slowly but surely every lie from the things that he did to the people he knew to where he like everything unraveled. And so it's high stakes in that it's your heart but it's not high stakes like,

oh, I loaned the guy money or something. But it's a true story. And so I wrote a movie about it. It's a great movie. Thank you. It's very funny, but it has a, it's a dark comedy in a way. It's a dark comedy when you realize

that it is a mostly true story. I say it's a true story based on a lie. And so it really did happen. And no, I don't know where he is. And no, I don't know if he ever saw it. He's probably dead in a ditch. Like he probably lied to the wrong person. And so that was like-

Or he's probably lying that he's dead in a ditch. 100%. Or he's telling everyone the movie is about him. Which is like a weird badge of honor. All jokes aside, how are you able to like work through that? I mean, people in relationship, I mean, shit, bad things happen to all of us in relationships. People get cheated on.

We have partners lie to us all the time, you know, whatever. But this is, this is one of those things that like, for some people, real fucks, really fucks them up. You know, like going forward, like how did you work through all that and move forward to where you are today, which is in a seemingly much better place than when that was all going on. Proud mom of one, I mean two, I have a son.

No, you know, that happened, I think I was, like the whole thing took place maybe over two years. So let's say I was like 32 or 33. So, you know, I wasn't like a naive kid moving through the world. And I had had other relationships So, you know, I wasn't like a naive kid moving through the world. And I had had other relationships and, you know, met people that you're like, oh, maybe this could be the one.

So I was, you know, a formed person, but I am smart enough to at the moment, in the moment have acknowledged that it was a crazy thing that happened. So this isn't like you get cheated on and you've been cheated on before and then it kind of becomes this like weird pattern. This was, I knew this was a freak thing and it had nothing to do with me because it wasn't like I met him and I was like, oh my god, you're so impressive. We were

friends. I was like, I am not attracted to you for a very long time. And then because women have this stupid capacity to be in love with a personality, I eventually fell in love with this person, despite the fact that they're not attractive. Like, this happens. Um, you wouldn't understand. Men can't do that. Also, your wife is beautiful. But, like, men are never like, she's so ugly, but she's really funny. I know. We're in love.

I've never met that guy. Ever. He's like, her punch lines are sick, but that one eye is closed. And, uh, and so I just knew that it was weird, and I knew that I didn't want to be the kind of person who dragged that around like this albatross and, like, paid it forward. So I just knew that it was weird, and I knew that I didn't wanna be the kind of person who dragged that around like this albatross and like paid it forward. So I just took time to myself

to kind of do whatever I wanted after that. And I was very honest with any of the guys that I met, like, hey, like I feel I'm feeling really bad right now. So I can't really be in a position to like be anyone's girlfriend, which of course just makes men want you more when you're like, I'm unavailable. And I just took my time and I wrote about it

and I wrote that movie. And so what started out as this very angry, vengeful thing turned into art that in the end really wasn't about him as much as like a comedic exploration of something. And so in the end I came out totally clean because I wrote about it. That's awesome.

Yeah. That doesn't usually happen. And to be able to take something that obviously affected you and turn it into something you're really proud of is a pretty cool thing. You know what, it was my goal, and I appreciate that, that you said that. I think sometimes we carry around these things

and it becomes your personality. And you don't wanna be that. You don't wanna be the girl that's still talking about, it's not like we got married, we didn't have kids, it was just super fucked up. And so I was just like, I wanna be so far away from this. So I worked through it myself, but I knew it was such a weird thing

that the odds of that happening again were basically zero. And so I just decided to move past it. But you're right though, like I've done that, where like a breakup becomes your personality. Yeah. And you talk about it and you think that like, no one can relate to your plight because like you've been broken hearted in ways

that no one else has. You're like, how's the world still revolving? Like when you broke up, like we've all been there. This was just, I processed it, everyone around, and it also helped because we all went through it. Like my friends had met him. Like we all put the pieces together in real life. One of my friends was with me when we went to the house

and discovered it wasn't the house. Like, so in a weird way, we all got to the house and discovered it wasn't the house. So in a weird way, we all got to unpack this together. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. It was like a scavenger hunt kind of. Yeah, like an emotional scavenger hunt. Yeah, so fun.

You have a new special out on Amazon. Congratulations. Thank you. Which one's my camera? Thank you. The one with Nick's face above it. You've had many. Does it get harder and harder to come up with new material?

Does one of your specials have a closer feel to your heart than others? It doesn't get harder and harder, because we're always observing as artists. We're always evolving, one would hope. So it's not harder. You just are changing your perspective. I think, if anything, there's just a little.

It's not so much that there's more thought. But now that you're older, you realize the weight of words. And now that we've all been on the internet for a while, you know, if I say this, it's going to be out there forever. Your perspective broadened. My first special was somewhere in my twenties. And so it's a limited scope of what you can fully comprehend. It's not about being stupid or something. It's just about like your life experiences. And then, so we just got, I have different things to talk about at 42

than I did at whatever, 28 or whenever that first one came out. And so, yeah. Do you enjoy writing more jokes about like being a mom and a parent versus like, a lot of your specials back in the day talked about dating and going out there as a single woman. I mean, there's still the observations about men and women, but it's less about dating and going out there as a single woman. I mean, there's still the observations about men and women, but it's less about dating,

and it's more about explaining why we do the things that we do, a little bit of insight into our thought process. In this special, I don't really have any jokes about being a mom. It's something that I'm wrestling with as a quasi new mom, because it's a hard thing to depart from all the things you ever talked about to being like, and now mom jokes. And so the commentary is really more on the experience versus like, and my kid said the funniest thing. And a big part of it is I don't really want, I'm reticent to share a lot about it because

I'm still not sure about how I'm feeling. Like becoming a mother is such a life altering, shattering, affirming, incredibly beautiful, painful thing all at once. And so I'm still processing it. And so I wanna be respectful of that. And I don't wanna say anything that I might regret later just cause I was feeling it in the moment cause I'm so protective of my children. So yeah.

Did you always wanna be a mom or did the desire for children come later in life? I have to think that other women feel this way. First of all, my mom had me a little bit later in life, I think like in her mid thirties, but not like in her twenties. So to me, it was always very normal to have kids later. And my mom never pressured me. My family never said anything.

So it was never like, when am I going to do it? And I just kind of always knew in the back of my mind, like, yeah, one day you'll have a little girl and maybe like a little boy, one day you'll have kids. I just knew that I would. Like there's just things that you know, intrinsically, inherently, you're like, I'll just do that one day.

Like one day I'll run a 5K, that's not me. That's like other people, never gonna do that, who cares? And so it was something that I wanted and then when we got married, we were like, all right, well, let's be married for a little, we'll get around to it. But I never felt that the age was prohibiting me from accomplishing that.

I mean, eventually it will. It's gonna get a lot harder the longer you wait. But I just knew that I would come into it. At some point. Yeah. You also had a bit in your special that was about telling women that like men don't care. And my boyfriend really appreciated that

because he was sitting there being like, no, I'm disgusting, no, like don't touch me and it's like because you think that they're thinking so many things. You think that they're thinking so many things. Please don't look at them, I haven't shaved my legs. He's like, do you have legs? Yeah, I haven't.

I haven't been looking, honestly. Now people are like, people without legs also have sex, for sure, but guys don't, it's just about all the things that we are conditioned to think matter on some level might for your own self-esteem, but like most guys, he's just like, I didn't even know you had hair.

I didn't even know you had eyes. I'm glad you're here. So, yeah. But how did you come up with your style of comedy? Because you are like a storyteller. You kind of take us all on a ride of like what's going on with you from the beginning to the end, and it always has like callbacks. You're just like, and I think you're always like educating us and I really do appreciate that.

Teach the babies. Yeah. I mean, look, I didn't invent the callback. You know, that's to me, that's maybe it's old school, but I think that's a very polished way to end something. Yeah, I think it is kind of old school. I love it. I love it because it shows that you put thought into it because I do think of it as a body of work. I think of this as a piece of art. I don't think of it as I know it's a piece of art.

You're constructing these ideas and these vignettes and I've just been doing this for 20 years and so it's just evolved. I came across some like camcorder footage of me doing standup when I was younger and for what it was at the time, it's like, okay, but you know, it's pretty unwatchable. I just like, I love sketch comedy growing up. And so for me, when I tell a story, I'm not like a set up punch kind of comic. I am creating a scene and I see it so vividly in my head. And I am just trying to act out what I see in my head.

And I think if I hunch over, if I do a voice, it will create that image for you guys as well. And so it's just me deeply wanting to convey the story and the scene that's in my head, even if I don't look like that. Isn't it crazy? Did you, when you saw that like old video, think about like all the things that you had to go through between that person and today and like had you known all the obstacles you'd have to overcome, like between that person and today? And like, had you known all the obstacles you'd have to overcome, like, would that person still

have tried what you've accomplished? Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously if we could all go back, we'd flat iron our hair so much less. Mm-hmm. Maybe I wouldn't, you know. And not tweeze so much of our eyebrows.

Yeah, I see my, I'm older than you, so tweezing was in the 90s when I was too young to do it, and then it wasn't a thing, but I do, that is a young person thing. You've got great eyebrows though. Yeah, I guess I missed the tweezing note. I always think about that one, which is not your question. I think there is, the beauty in being younger

is that you don't, you truly don't know what you don't know, and you think you know everything. And so it is in that gorgeous ignorance that you dare to try. Because if you did know how hard it was, then you would be paralyzed. Like now that we see all those pitfalls, but there is a strength and just going, no one said I couldn't do stand up. No one said I could, I just did it. And I didn't have anyone to look up to or imitate. so I just sort of made it up as I went along. And then you sort of become your own little micro blueprint. So there is something, you know, you get comics that are like, oh, growing up I watched Richard Pryor, I watched, you know,

and they just named these comics and I didn't. I watched sketch and I had comedians, like, funny people that I liked. And so I was just sort of doing it because I didn't know that I liked. And so I was just sort of doing it because I didn't know that I couldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Does your daughter know that you're famous and funny and cool on Netflix? Yeah, I made sure to tell her.

I was like, just know mommy's really famous. She doesn't know, I don't think she has a comprehension of like what fame is, but I took her on the road this weekend. I had some shows in Florida that like basically rounded out the American leg of the Get Ready Tour, which I'd been on the road this weekend. I had some shows in Florida that like basically rounded out the American leg of the Get Ready Tour, which I'd been on for like a year. And I took her and I let her open the show. I let her say like, Hi, Hi Tampa, you're here to see my mommy.

And I let her run on stage for a second. I don't post pictures of her. So this is the stage was dark. I let her run on stage and she ran on stage. And for the few people that were looking at the stage, they started clapping. So she runs back, I go, go out again. So she runs out again and more people clap, you know? And I let her go a third time and I saw the look on her face

when she put two and two together, like, if I come out here, people will cheer. Doesn't this feel good? And the whole room of, you know, this is like 1800 people started applauding and she ran back and it was such a beautiful moment just to see that and then she was like, again, and I was like, we don't overdo the bit.

Yeah. It's rule of three, you don't go back out, then it's weird. And so. That's very cute. It was really cute. I think she gets that, I tell jokes, but I don't think she knows,

like she doesn't know any different. She thinks this is a normal job. Right, wow. Did you finish season two of Severance? I did. Were you satisfied with the ending? Yeah, the ending of Severance season two was what we've all been waiting for.

Are you guys Severance fans? Yeah, we are. Is this a Severance podcast? Don't see it, it's too late for you. You haven't watched it? You can't catch up. Some people are pissed in the comments. Oh wait, you haven't seen it or you don't watch it?

I haven't seen it, but I'm not gonna watch it. Okay, it's too much. Yeah. It's too much. We waited, and also as fans, we waited so long for that season two. The last episode was what we, because it was a slow burn. It was a real hang of a show. It's like a white lotus set in an office.

It is just a hang. Yeah, we basically take you the whole first season to even know what's going on. Oh yeah. And then halfway through season two, you're like, do they know what's going on? How's this gonna come back? So I think that episode was well worth the wait.

Okay. I was very satisfied. Some people were mad about any mark, but. People like to get mad. No one's ever like, that's exactly what I wanted. So perfect. But yeah, it felt like the people, the ending they wanted would have just ended the show, right?

What do you want? Do you want to, they want what I want is like a full like dogma explanation of like, what is Keir? What are these beliefs? Who had those paintings made? What's with the goats? What else is happening?

I think they did a pretty good job of the alternate reality thing. Are you watching White Lotus too? Yep. And are you? I'm sorry. I wasn't getting emotional. No, I was like, oh my god.

You hit our heart. It wasn't bad for that third brother me too. No, I just. We don't have to talk about it. No spoilers, you guys. Yeah, you guys White Lotus. Yeah, you feeling good about that? We just watched last night the most recent episode.

I think the part that hits home the hardest, I'd be really weird if I related to Saxon at all, is the three best friends, because you cannot have female friendships in threes. Don't DM me like, me and my friends, or we are. There's always like the little side conversations. The friends DM you being like, no, but my friend group, it's like, call me an ear.

Yeah, I've always told that women always have one real best friend. Yeah, there's always two that are closer. You know, like there's always two that are closer. There's always one person in a group of three that's not really in the mix. They're just kind of along for the ride. Also, what's her name?

Carrie, what's the actress? Carrie Coon. There's so much fruit in this show. All anybody eats is fruit. And I get that we're in Thailand. You're gonna have diarrhea. And everybody, no one's eating real food at any point. It's always fruit.

And she has so much fruit at breakfast and it's just chunks of dinner And you know that that is not the first take and they are just eating melon and tropical fruits at every meal like fruitatarian It looks like a lot of cantaloupe, which I'm I'm I am personally upset by because I don't feel like it is a real fruit I love cantaloupe. I look good cantaloupe. We get a lot of that. So you love like say- Turn up your podcast right now. Get ready. Fuck, fuck, fuck. Say like you take your kids to a restaurant

and you're looking at the menu and you're like, hmm, what am I gonna get them? Okay, we'll do like, we'll do the fruit plate maybe for the kids. And it's a bunch of melon that you're supposed to give your 14 month old son. We know it's gonna be melon and it's not a fruit plate. It's do you want fries, salad, or fruit?

I'm like, let's get the fruit, because someone will eat this, because they don't know any better. But I will tell you, my husband is a chef and cookbook author and just like a food person. So he was the first one to like expose me to like, how great a real melon, like an in-season, hyper-seasonal melon can be, like locally grown here in California.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever had one. Outstanding. They're all hard, I feel like. That's because you get them at Ralph's, and look, there's no shame in that, and you get a ripe one, it's great, but there's so many different kinds of melon that are in micro-climates and grown,

and so if you go to a farmer's market, go to like some of those guys that really specialize in it, and it's really incredible. People give a lot of shit to cantaloupe and honeydew, because it's always there. You get a good one, outstanding. Do we think Patrick Schwarzenegger's character is going to be the killer? Oh, can I?

So I have a thought. Yeah, what's your theory? Well, in the, so I call it a sample. Like at the end when they show the preview for next week, I get very excited about my sample. I'm like weird about it. They showed a body bag, and you could tell by the size of it who it wouldn't be.

Like it seemed like maybe slightly smaller. I think the guy that dies is the husband, the wrinkly husband, the old husband. Greg? The one that was married to Jennifer Coolidge. Greg. Yes, Gary. I don't know anyone's name on the show, Gary.

Sorry, Greg, Gary, Glenn, Ross. Yeah, I think it's him. Cause he's a slight build. And I looked at that body bag. Cause Enrico. Did you pause? No, but I just clocked it. If there's one thing I can do, it's clock a dead body.

And I know. You don't think there's any misdirect maybe? Well, it's a body bag. Yeah, but like they could have just had a body bag. You can't plant a body bag. It's from like NCIS, they just like cut in a scene. It's just the next show coming after White Lotus. I feel like Patrick Schwarzenegger's career

is about to skyrocket after this. Like I feel like he's gonna be the new Brandon Sklinar or Glenn Powell who's in every fucking show and every movie and you're like, oh my God, I can't get enough of this guy. Maybe. He's taken off. He plays the character really well.

We've all met Saxon. Some people are convinced he's just playing himself though. But it'll be interesting to see what his next role is. I've never met him, so I don't know what his real personality would be like. I walked in behind him at CBS News two weeks ago in New York and I was about to say something and I was like, we don't know each other, we have no connection.

How was his gait? I barely saw it, I was, cause I was getting out of my own car. But I just, it's like that thing where you're like, should I say, and he doesn't know you, I'm not gonna go, I watch White Lotus. Like, ooh. It's also hard when you have to like explain,

like anytime. I'm in the other room. I'm also promoting. So we host a podcast, it's called Firefalls. And it's like, I know everyone hosts a podcast these days, but it's actually like kind of big. Yeah. A lot of people do. And he's like, okay, please let go of my arm.

Yeah. You're breathing too close to my face. I do get the, I get the sense, I could be wrong. Like everybody on that show is always for every season, impeccably cast and it does strike me because it's like an actor's actor show. I do feel like people have to read for that show. I don't know if they offer any of those roles.

Like those things like feel like hard won parts. Like you acted your heart out to get that. Yeah. I just think everybody's so perfect on that show that they just seem like they were born for that role. Sometimes I think about like, that'll always be like casting by and it'll say their name like in the credits.

And I was like, what if I just DM them? And I was like, hey, would you want me for anything? Or just buy my Instagram pics? But here's the thing that people I think don't really know in Hollywood, like a casting director can only get you the read. It's the producer that gives you the role. Like they can just aggregate like who they think would be right for this, but at the end of the day, it's

not casting. It's Mike White who's saying like, yes and no to everybody. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they have to weigh in, but it's not the casting. All they can do is get you the read. When Parker Posey's character was trying to convince, like, are you okay? I know some real eligible men. She's like, I love him. I was like, there's no way. I love Rupert. Yeah, I love Rupert. That North Carolina accent, at first I was like, it's not my favorite accent.

They do it incredibly well, especially, not Chris Isaac, what was his name? Jason Isaacs. Jason Isaacs. Who's like British, nails it. Yeah. The North Carolina accent is low. It's like this. And I'm from Texas, so I know the difference.

And I'm always the one to hear it. I'm just like, okay. Like it's always Tar Heels. Like it's just, it's a low one. It really is. It is hard to get a Southern accent, right? But theirs is in particular. It's down there.

And so I can hear it. I can hear when someone's from Texas, cause I am am but North Carolina It's it's its own thing. It's almost like a valley accent. It's really good You see that Duke is like pissed off that they're They get so look I play North Carolina a lot. Shout out to you, Raleigh and Durham and Charlotte. Those shows are always amazing, but they get very, it is Duke versus North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

Get over yourself. Everyone was like, this is so Duke. For Duke to do this, it's so Duke. Duke would have a pill problem. Duke would be popping his wife's pills. Duke would not be paying their taxes. Tax evasion, that's what you learn there at that business school.

Don't cheap out the government. Where'd you go to school? Wisconsin. State? University of? Yeah. University of Wisconsin? Yeah, and then Milwaukee.

They did both. In Madison. Yeah. And I've played there many times. It is so idyllic, it is so pretty there. Where do you like better, Madison or Milwaukee? I guess I haven't been to Madison in a while. I mean, I think Milwaukee's a bigger market,

but they're both great. I mean, Wisconsin, fans turn up. Have you played anywhere in Alabama or you have? Yeah, I've been doing this for a very long time. Every state? No, that is a bucket list thing. There are certain states, it's hard to get a gig that's worth going.

So I think there's five states like I've never played Wyoming, but I have played Montana, which is weird. I've never played Alaska, which a lot of comics have. New Mexico's a tough one to route, and I'm blanking on the other one. Like Jackson Hall, is it just because everyone there is rich and boring and doesn't wanna laugh? No, it's not about that.

It's about like having a performing arts center that would give you the deal that makes it worth it. It's It's about like having a performing arts center that would give you the deal that makes it worth it. It's not always about like if there's people, it's about like what's the offer? What's the gig? What's the capacity? Is there a club? Is there a venue? What's the play? So there's a lot of factors. And can I tack it onto a vacation? Right. How did you meet your husband? On Raya. Everybody asks this. It's on a dating app, but we've been married for so long. It's like, I don't know. Telling me you've been married.

I don't know, but long enough that it's- Long enough that you forgot. We met on, we met on Raya, seven years I think, we met on Raya when it was like first out. I was gonna say, Raya hasn't been around that long. Well, cause I think it's changed. Like I don't know what it is now, but it was like for artists.

Yeah, at first, you know, and at first, like it was like, they were just trying wasn't one. On the entertainment industry. And at first, it was like, they were just trying to get people on it. I think too, for dating apps, it's always like men kind of get a pass. They're like, this is for artists. But you guys can come on. We need men here.

And so he was on there and that was it. We met. What was your first date? Our first date was, we texted for a little bit and I remember thinking like this guy, he felt so comfortable and he was so funny and not like annoying funny like I'm fine to laugh at someone else like I definitely like don't need to like be the star and he was like suggested a movie which now that I know him I like never want to see movies and he's like a huge cinephile but I

suggested this documentary that had come out before you think I'm like too cool for school it was called Tickled, and it was about the world of competitive tickling. And I was like, well, this is interesting. This is playing in a theater? This was called Lemley Sunset Five, or was the Lemley, now it's just Sunset Five. It was a small documentary, and I was like,

this'll be cool, and it turned out to be a very dark, homoerotic expose on the world of the sexual underbelly of competitive tickling. Not what I thought it was gonna be, but, like, kind of hot. Is there any other kind of tickling? Is there any other kind? Who else doesn't get turned on? Uh, and so we went, and he talked throughout the whole movie, and I thought it was so cute

because he seemed nervous. And then the movie ended, and I was like, hey, I have to go do a set, because I had planned it, and, like, in case he was a dud, I'd be like, well, I've got a set. But I liked him, and I was like, I've got a set. And it's at my friend's bar and if this works out, you're gonna have to see the act at some point.

So he came, I did my set and I knew he was a good one because my friend gave him a drink ticket. And I was like, you can go get a drink because I don't drink before I go on stage. And he goes, no, I'll wait for you. And he didn't have his drink until I got done. And then we took some muscle relaxers and got drunk. Yeah. And now we have some muscle relaxers and got drunk. Yeah. Now we have two babies.

He cooks everything. Yeah. That's so nice. Wow. So does Nick. He cooks everything. You love cooking? I love cooking, yeah.

I don't get that. I'm not a professional chef, but. Well then I don't, why are we talking about this? You better be a professional chef. We can't talk about it. But he is so picky in particular in how he likes his food prepared and cooked.

Like you like your grilled cheese cut up into squares? No crust, yeah. I'm not a crust kid. Like what? Like what do you mean? I just think there's a certain way of doing things, right? The first time he came to visit me, I was living in Savannah, Georgia, and I was like-

Played there. I was actually just there. Really? Yeah. Oh my God. Johnny T. Mercer Theater, is that right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, how fun. T. Mercer Theater. Is that right? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, how fun. So he was coming to visit me and I was like talking to my mom, like I think he has like kind of a late flight. Like I should just like have a meal prepared for him. A ribbon in my hair. Yes, with a ribbon in my hair. And I was like, I think I'm going to cook him

like chicken, sweet potato and Brussels sprouts. That is a real accent. Him. Him. For my king. Him for my king. And my mom- Sweet potato and Brussels sprouts. That is a real accent. Him. Him. For my king. Him, for my king. And my mom- Chicken, sweet potato, and Brussels sprouts.

And my mom was like, oh, you should do like goat cheese and balsamic vinaigrette on the Brussels sprouts. He'll be like so impressed. Cause it's the 90s, you should totally make that. And I was like, ooh, okay. He'll think I'm such a like cook, chef. And I did, I had it all prepared.

He came home from, we came home from the airport and he looked at it and- I had it all prepared he came home from we came home from the airport and he looked at it and I he had like one brussels sprout that's right you did small amount of sweet potato he's literally choking it down I'm like are you okay he's like I actually hate sweet potatoes and I hate brussels sprouts with all the shit in it I just like playing you said hate and I hate brussels sprouts with all this shit in it. I just like plain hate. You said hate? Hate and I literally was like, I will never do this again, perfect.

Did I say hate or did you hear hate? Hate, you said hate. You definitely heard hate. How she was prepared to do a meal since. Like a whole meal without me being involved? Yeah. Tell me you just cook for yourself and she cooks for the family.

Like tell me it's like daddy's gonna be in the kitchen alone. No, I cook for everybody. Do you grill? Yeah. I gotta get you a copy. My husband's writing a grill cookbook that comes out next year.

I love that. I love to grill. Okay. What kind of smoke you working with? Gas. Gas? Gas is good. Gas is good, okay.

He makes an insane steak. Yeah. On the... Yeah, I'm okay. An insane steak. The steak's just like... I'm very good at cooking what I know how to cook. Like what I know how to cook is very good, but like-

And it's about six things. And you just like, they're on rotate. Well, since I've been criticized with everything. Not since the trauma. You have one child? I've done, yes. Okay. I cook for her.

Everything, yeah, yeah, yeah. Every, she is very particular. All the macaroni and cheese. All the macaroni and cheese, all the cheese quesadillas, all of it. I love a cheese quesadilla. I don't like cooking and it's not like a feminist thing. It just like doesn't, to put it in the internet,

like doesn't spark joy. Like, my husband had to make, he went out of town today, and he cooked like six chicken breasts last night. And he was like, if I don't cook these, she won't eat. Because I'm just like, I'll just eat a cold chicken breast. Like someone bulking up for a high school wrestling team, like just out of the fridge and some baby carrots. Wow.

It just doesn't, the idea, like I only recently was like, I will make eggs and I will not burn them. Like I just don't care. If I leave town, it's Chick-fil-A or Thai over there. Oh yeah, I'm definitely Thai. I'm burr-eating, yeah, constantly. Where do you guys get Thai from? What's that place, Sierra?

Chain My Thai. Chain My Thai. You ever go to Anna Jack? No. Definitely voted best restaurant in LA. It's like a night market, which I know they probably look, Uh, chain my tie. Chain my tie. You ever go to a Jack? No. Definitely voted best restaurant in LA. It's a, you know, like it's like a night market, which I know they probably like,

Hey, it's not like each other, but it's like cool guy, like natural wines. The food is outstanding. You gotta go, go on a date night. Do not bring your child. Oh, perfect. Do not bring that baby. Nobody wants to see that baby.

Nobody wants to see that baby. No one wants to hear that baby crying. Nobody wants to see that baby. You gotta go. They do like a Thai taco Tuesday. And then all the food is just, go in with another couple and be prepared to like whip yourself into a whirling dirt wish of like natural wines and spicy food.

It's so fun. Do you enjoy going in public with your children? I do. Yeah. I mean, look, the little one is so little, and so it's like, I guess you're just like in a thing, but I love taking my daughter, and we, you know, we don't, we let her sit at the table,

and she kind of just joins us in the conversation. She's not an iPad baby? No. And she just sits there and she eats a lot of sour cream but we like to, I'm just so proud of her and it's like being out with her and I'm just enjoying it and she won't be little forever. What's her name?

Then you hit a wall. Sierra, the most beautiful name in the world. It's a great one, yeah. As you already know, that is why you have that. By the way, it's great for an hour and then it's like, okay, you know what? You're tired, we're gonna go. So we went to the mall recently.

Why? Well, you know, we were- To look around. It was like we'd been in the house for a long time and it was like, let's just get everyone out of the house. You want to Sportsman's Lodge? We do go to the Sportsman's Lodge. It's there, it is there.

It is there. But River really wanted to go on the escalator. It was like huge addiction to the escalator. And so many fits, tantrums were occurring when we were not allowing her. Nick was like, we have to go home. We just have to get out of here. And I'm like, I don't think she'll ever learn

how to be in public if we don't take her in public. They get tired and you're like, you're being bad. It's like, oh no, you're tired. I took her on the road this weekend. And so I did tell her, I was like, you've got to carry your own boarding pass and you've got to carry your little suitcase. So she's like walking with it through the airport

and it's adorable. No spatial awareness, just like running into crotches like left and right. But we got on the escalator. So that's me with my backpack, her car seat on my back, my bag, also her bag, and I'm like, okay, we're gonna jump. And it's like your whole core.

And I get her on the escalator, and then she just starts to drift up. And I was like, fuck, I have to be with you. And so it was just me leaping over steps to get her. And it was very sweet, cause other moms are like, I got her if you need it, I've got her. People leap in action when they see you like deeply struggling.

And it was fine. You want some. To conquer. I don't remember the last time we were, we just were killing time walking around the mall with no agenda and it felt terrifying. Yeah, Nick was pissed. He was like, we have to get the fuck out of here.

He's like, people are weird. We cannot do this. But then we bought a la la la la la la la la la la la la. Then I lost it. How do you lose a large candle? I lose a big candle, yeah. Cause we were walking around the mall. Oh, you set it down.

Nick set down. We set it down. And then his mom goes, don't forget the candle. And then he of course forgot the candle. It's an expensive mistake. So I went back and bought another candle. It's giving a cowboy hat on top of the car. Oh my gosh.

Yeah. But I, so I can't, and I can't, went back to the store. He's like, you want another one. I'm like, yep She's here to get another $85 Even look at the prize. I didn't even want to look at it. Don't let it ruin my day Don't check that credit card statement having a slight this a little extra disposal income allows me to not like worry about like if I lost Something why is the candle why are candles so expensive?

It's a great question. Why is it the same same reason, probably, why perfume and cologne is, for no reason? No, it's not. Because really good perfume has to be, that is thousands and thousands of flowers crushed down to make half an ounce of fragrance, if it's nice, versus garbage that's half water. Oh, I didn't know that. But yeah, when you get the essence of something, when you get really nice perfume,

this is pounds and pounds of flowers and essences and things that have to like that is that are crafted. The candle, I mean, maybe if it's beeswax, you got to harvest the wax or if it's soy, I don't know. But like some of these candles are just $800 for a big thing. Like, what are we doing here? Who's going to disrupt this industry? Even at Marshall's, it used to be like, like $10 for like a large candle.

And you're like, yes, steel. And now you go there and it's like $25. So I haven't been back since. Listen to me. You don't want a $10 candle. We're past that. Now we know. We talked about this, I think, before.

You don't want a cheap candle. Yeah. I do have a loose buck. You say soy only? I think it's supposed to be soy only. There's a clean burn way to do it. And there's a way that they're supposed to burn. There's a whole art to it.

You're supposed to cut the wicks after each burn. I bought a wick cutter. And so my friend owns this candle company called Dev Candle Co. She used to, yeah, and they make these beautiful, and they come in cement cylinders, and they're really clean, and I read the website, I guess to extinguish a flame,

you're supposed to dip the wick into the wax so there's no smoke, and then it just comes back up. And I guess you pull it back up. You're supposed to dip it. With your fingers? I don't know. I didn't get that far. Because it feels hot.

But if you blow it, then there's smoke. But if you dip it, no smoke. Extinguish immediately. Try it. Wow. And then the. Follow me for more hacks. And then must cut.

On how to trad. Cut wick because then it gets like big and bubbly at the top. It's called mushrooming. You don't want it to mushroom. Holy fuck, you are so knowledgeable. I'm here to sell my candles. You guys, I don't.

I have them on tour, but it's not a candle company. But yeah, I just happen to know that. Wow. Because it is ugly. It is. It looks like a mushroom. The more you know. I felt like I just said.

This is why you watch your comedy specials. You learn things. There's actually a whole thing at the end. Like a whole appendix at the end where I just give like tips and tricks on how to burn candles. That's why people follow me. Well, the end, like a whole appendix at the end where I just give like tips and tricks on how to burn candles. That's why people follow me. Well, the special is called A Different Animal.

It's out on Amazon Prime. Check it out. Eliza, this has been so much fun. This was so casual. Thank you for having me to your vitamin company. Thank you for supporting the cause. Oh my God, remember that? I remember it.

Sugar bear. Anything else you want to plug while you're here? I have a podcast and I always forget to plug it. Sugar bear. Anything else you wanna plug while you're here? I have a podcast and I always forget to plug it. For more tips and tricks on how to be a human, I actually have a podcast called Ask Eliza Anything. We do live tapings and it is the podcast where the listeners are the guests.

So people writing questions from all over the world, things that you're afraid to ask your friends and your families and your loved ones. And we give you the truth that you need to know. Is we? Oh, me and my co-host Emily, but I'm the star. Okay, perfect. It's mine.

It's mine. Well, they say don't meet your heroes, but she's one of mine. And that was everything for me. So thank you for making that happen. It was so cute after we wrapped. You're like, can I please have a picture? Oh yeah, and she was like, you wanna come to a show and like,

you could send me an email and go, I'll email you. I mean, watch her special, but like that movie that she did with Tyler Cameron, that's on Netflix, I'll email you. I'll email you. I mean, watch her special, but that movie that she did with Tyler Cameron that's on Netflix, I forget the name of. Good on Paper. Good on Paper, it's a good movie, it's a dark comedy, and it's a very much a very true,

well, based on a true story. If you love a true crime, man fakes or lies about his identity, it's a doozy, you should check it out. Thanks for listening, guys, next week, we have a great week lined up for you as always, but our Going Deeper episode is a real banger. Your jaws will be dropped, Mary is like, mm-hmm.

It was real, real good. Remember that one part was wild. Oh, when she talked about that phone call? Yeah, that phone call. Yeah, gasping. I just wanna say that I'm glad that my opinions have been confirmed. You are vindicated a bit Told you so anyways, we'll see you next week. Bye