The Viall Files - E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

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episode. Excited to be getting into it with you guys. Are you struggling to say y'all? I feel like sometimes it's not like us. Well obviously it's not like it's not in my blood. You know, it's not who I am. It's more who I wanna be. Yeah, it does feel like you try to say it,

but then you're like, you guys and everybody. Yeah, you know, it's a work in progress, but I'm excited for y'all to listen to this week. Y'all, you guys. It sounded real natural. I feel like y'all is Midwest. Y'all can be Midwest. Y'all is not Midwest.

Definitely not Midwest. I guess, yeah, you guys is very, I guess like the southern part of Midwest, like Missouri. You guys, you guys, you guys, you guys. You guys, yin's, get a little Pittsburgh in there. Yeah, yous, yous, that's very Midwest, yous. Yeah. Yeah, that's real, upper Wisconsin, yous,

yous guys going to game. Yous guys going, oh my God, that's way too much. If you're saying yous, you don't have to also say guys. Well, people do though. Erin Leachie and her husband Abe are joining us shortly to talk a little Bravo, that not only are they Bravo stars themselves, but they are also Bravo fans. And they're here to talk a little Summer House,

a little, do they also watch Southern Charm too? They do. Ooh, fun. And a little White Lotus, they are also into prestige television. The finale was last night. We'll get into our thoughts when Erin and Abe join us. Like, satisfied, dissatisfied. Two thumbs down.

Dissatisfied. Two thumbs down. Two thumbs up. Oh yeah, I think I'm like two. It's marinating. I'm one thumb down, one thumb up. You know what I'm saying? Same.

Yeah. My big takeaway, my big takeaway is the big fans of prestige television, like whoever they are, obviously we cover a lot of reality TV, we have our hardcore fans, but sometimes the hardcore fans of prestige television are really fucking obnoxious.

They take themselves very seriously. Like every scene, like any good scene when like Carrie Coon delivered that monologue at the end of the finale and everyone's like, oh, give her the Emmy. Like every scene, there's a tweet that says give someone an Emmy. It's just like maybe, you know, honestly, it was fine.

It was totally fine. She had a tear. It was a really good scene by Carrie Coon, and maybe she will win an Emmy, but every episode, some fan of this show is like, give him an Emmy, or it's like some critic is just talking about how that monologue didn't fit in this episode. It was just like, I don't know, you guys,

it's a fucking show, man, just chill the fuck out. People are saying they're like comparing every scene with Rick and Chelsea to Meredith Gray's Pick Me, Choose Me speech. And they're like, every time I see Rick and Chelsea have a scene together, it's giving me the same cringe as the Pick Me, Choose Me speech. And I'm like, I think they're so lovely together.

You think Chelsea and Rick are lovely together? Oh my God. Oh my God, love them. They are love. They are love. Bonnie and Clyde. Well, she was. He was childhood trauma. She was love, he was childhood trauma.

He loved her. You can't do both. No, he loved her. He loved her. But he couldn't get past himself. I'm not saying it was healthy love. I'm not saying it was, you know, but like. He was troubled, but he loved her. We want everyone to like feel about us the way those two feel.

No, we don't give a fuck what people feel about us. Not us, just people. Oh, yeah. Like, I mean, so we just want. Overall. We don't want someone to love us the way they love each other. All I'm gonna say is it was a therapist's fault.

It was a therapist's fault. Oh, this, yeah, the stress for not taking. Stress management. He said, I need to talk to you right now. It was very clear. That is true. You could see it in his eyes. She was like, I'll be back in an hour?

It was like, sit on this bench for one hour, not like five minutes, 10 minutes, like one whole hour for you to be there. Would you tell someone like on the edge of a bridge that they'll be back in an hour? Cause this man was on edge, literally. I don't know, do you go back to the hotel that you threatened a man at after you threatened a man?

Again, mental health problems. He had to get Chelsea. Yeah, he got to get his love of his life. Chelsea deserves an Emmy. And he had to eat breakfast. She does. Can we talk about a couple White Lotus B-line stories? One, the one that Woody Halsey.

Oh yeah. Was supposed to play Walton's role or... Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell, he was apparently up for potentially one of the two. Now allegedly, or not allegedly, apparently, not even apparently, is it apparently?

I think it's apparently. Apparently. Confirmed. Confirmed that all the actors, all the lead actors on White Lotus make the same. That's like a Mike White rule or something. Like he just, everyone, it's all fair and love in filming. And the speculation was that Woody was like,

I'm Woody Harrelson. You know, like, you know, I make 20 mil per movie or something. I don't know if he actually said that. But he came out and said, that's not true. He opted for a family vacation. Yeah, he wanted the real thing. How family oriented for him to be like, you know what? I'm gonna turn down the hottest show

to just go to like, you know, a cabin with my family. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. First of all, Walton and Sam were incredible in both these roles. I don't think anyone could do better and I'm a huge fan of Woody, but I think the show's beneath Woody. No offense to White Lotus.

Like I wanna see, I I wanna see good character actors that you've seen in a handful of shows like this, where like Jason Isaac or up and comers like Patrick Schwarzenegger. I think this show is about showcasing talent that we've either not noticed or underappreciated. We don't need Woody Harrelson for this show. I just feel like it, I mean, Sam Rockwell

is in Woody's conversation. Caliber. He certainly is a caliber. I think Sam still flies under the radar sometimes, unlike Woody, I don't know. I think Sam Rockwell is one of my dream guests in terms of, or dream hangs. Honestly, just dream hangs. Like honestly just dream hangs.

I heard that Sam Rockwell when he was, back in the day when he was like an up and coming actor, he would come into an audition and act like he didn't have the sides. Like he didn't have the. Script? Yeah, the script, the sides. The sides, yeah.

He would get the script and he would act like he has to learn it on a fly even though he's been like, he's already practiced them. And he would come in and audition as if he just saw the script and giving them this impression that he just figured it out on the fly. Which I thought was pretty bad ass.

And then, my Woody Harrelson story. I don't know if I ever told this story, but it's one of my Hollywood regrets. Right after I was The Bachelor, I was on Jones on third having a turkey sandwich, a turkey club sandwich in the corner by myself. It was like right after the Bachelor season aired and a man came up to me, tapped me on the shoulder and it looked exactly like Woody Harrelson, but it wasn't.

It was his brother, according to this man. And he was very nice and very lovely. And he's like, hi, I'm Woody Harrelson's brother. And he's like, I watched you on The Bachelor, big fan of the show. And he's like, hey, and he offered me like good weed. He offered me like Woody Harrelson's brother and he's like I watched you on The Bachelor, big fan of the show, and he's like hey And he offered me like good weed. He offered me like Woody Harrelson weed, and I declined I was like kind of caught off guard. This man looked exactly like Woody Harrelson. Anyways, it's a it's a definitely a life regret I I wish I would have not turned it down

I wish I would have just said yes to this opportunity whether it's actually his brother or not, and just like went with it. Because maybe, maybe no, I could be smoking buddies with Woody Harrelson right now. There was a headline about Turkish tourism set to collapse after Walton Goggins makes receding hairlines look kinda sexy. Does he though?

And here's my take on this. I think Walton Goggins wears his receding hairline and his bald spot with confidence, right? And well, he wears it well. He wears it well. Is it receding hairlines, if they're sexy, what about bald spots? Are we also, is he also making bald spots sexy?

Cause he has a bit of both. He does have a bit of both. I think it's less about making a receding hairline or a bald spot sexy. And I think it's just Wal making a receding hairline or a bald spot sexy. And I think it's just Walton Goggins absolute charisma and confidence and charm. Exactly. So turkey's okay?

We don't have to worry about. I think turkey's fine. If the men just like wore their bald spots or receding hairlines with confidence, or if they have such a big bald spot and they're just holding on to like barely anything, it's like, just go ahead and shave it off. Like just be bald.

Some women love a bald man. Have you guys ever heard of r slash bald? It's a Reddit thread of guys. It's the most wholesome Reddit thread I've ever seen. Is it just a bunch of guys like cheerleading? Yes, it's being like, you look so good, dude. Like this is awesome. And it's like Yes, it's being like you look so good dude, like this is awesome And it's like guys put it like guys posting pictures a friend told me about it

I will say I have found myself on to pay Tik Tok and it's the to pay clean who creates two pays for these men and it's all these men they come in and they have They definitely need some work done and she attaches that toupee and she glues it down. Yeah, they glue on. They glue it on. I'm kind of into those videos. And then she's like, no working out. You can't get that head hot.

And then the way that they try to like stick their fingers through it, but it's just like stiff, non-moving hair. It's interesting. My sister's ex-fiance did the glue toupee for a minute. Then he had a gambling problem and he couldn't afford it anymore. So he had to let go of it. It does seem like an, she was like, all right,

well, if you do work out and you're in the sun a lot and your head sweats, you'll have to get it redone every two weeks. I was like, holy shit, two weeks. I think just find this Reddit thread and just get some moral support and go for it. If you guys are struggling, r slash bald, it's a beautiful community.

Or go to Turkey. This story about the composer for White Lotus quitting, I'm triggered by it. It's quite stupid. Why? It's just utter stupidity by this composer. Set your ego aside, bro. If I am understanding this story,

it's just like Mike White and this composer got together, they changed the theme song for season three, right? And then he wanted the full version released, Mike White shot him down, and now he got all mad about it and quit. So like, this is like, dude, you got hired, buy a show for a show to write for the show. Like do your job and like set your ego aside.

And because like he got triggered, it sounded like, because when episode one came out and the song came out, everyone was like, oh, aside. And because like he got triggered, it sounded like because when episode one came out and the song came out, everyone was like, oh, this isn't the like infamous or famous like White Lotus song that we all love and we all got excited about. I'll tell you what though, I fucking love the new song. It grew on me.

Like I think it grew on a lot of people, but it's always jarring at first when you're expecting one thing and you get another and this guy got all salty about it and then now he's decided to announce publicly that he's quitting the show. Why would you wanna work with that guy? If you're another showrunner or director,

why would you wanna bother hiring someone who's just gonna make your life more difficult? It's a nice song, but I bet there's other composers out there who can write music. But arguably you could say his music made White Lotus what it is popular for. Like, he quotes it as the Ooloulou's, where it's like, everybody knows the Ooloulou's, but it's like, if he feels disrespected, then I'm sure he should leave. I don't think the composer made this show famous. I think Mike White did.

It's definitely part, well, what Mike White has done correctly as the creator of White Lotus is understanding how to bring the best people for the job into the scene. Yeah, there's more than one composer in this world. I'm just saying. Every season we get excited about various cast members, we're talking about actors, you know, Walton. Walton. And we're talking about him in ways we haven't, we've seen Walton in a lot of movies and a lot of shows.

He's in almost every HBO show. He Walton in a lot of movies and a lot of shows. He's in like almost every HBO show. He's been in a lot of great stuff. I've been a fan of him for a long time. I've been a fan of him longer than I really knew his full name. And it's shows like these that are like popular in the zeitgeist of pop culture that really make working actors stars.

Like, and it's the whole show. It's not just like one person, but if there is any one person, it's Mike Wike. It's not some composer for coming up with a catchy tune. I bet they can find other composers to coming up with catchy tunes. I don't know. It's just a perfect example of one person

allowing a moment to get to their head and act like a diva. I don't know, to me this is diva behavior by the composer. It's also interesting because it's very common for these kinds of things to happen. Sometimes creative partnerships, you just don't click with people and then it doesn't work out

and you do leave for creative differences. But to go on a whole press tour about it is a choice. This composer's literally trying to make it about them. He's just out there being kind of messy about it, talking about how he didn't even let Mike White know in person that we're all kind of finding out at the same time, just because Mike didn't wanna drop the whole track on YouTube.

It's like, come on, that's so silly. Parker Posey also forgot who died. Yeah. Girl. I actually don't, I don't believe that. I think she just said that and we just believe it because it's Parker Posey. Charlotte LeBond, who plays Chloe, Greg's girlfriend, did say that like everyone's gonna hate Mike White.

And- A lot of people had strong feelings about it. But yeah, I wasn't very happy with the finale, I will say, by, I was just expecting a lot more. I was expecting a lot more. I was expecting a lot more. I was like, I just think you can't top the yacht scene with Jennifer Coolidge last season. It was epic, and I'm just sorry this one fell short for me. The backtracking is what got me.

Did you guys see the headline of Eric Honover, the New York City real estate agent? I'm obsessed with this story. Who is now being charged, he's being charged with attempted murder after allegedly striking a police officer with his car. Why are you obsessed with this story? I's now being charged with attempted murder after allegedly striking a police officer with his car. Why are you obsessed with this story? I'm just fascinated by, I think when it comes

to the celebrity public's figure space, I think it's a mix of incredibly normal people who have either incredible talent or had some luck and made something work, or people who are just psychopaths who know how to lie and manipulate other celebrities to get access to them. This guy, he's filmed with Chris Hemsworth and other public figures.

He has his whole YouTube platform, and the more we find out about this guy, this guy sounds like an absolute sociopath, an absolute psycho. He tried to run over a cop. I don't know. There's this video of him talking about how he's going to eviscerate everyone with his intelligence. It just reminds me just how in Hollywood, if you make it or if you make it a celebrity, it's like you feel very alone, right? You

don't really know who to trust. And whether you're like this, an A-list celebrity or a D-list celebrity, so much about like making friends and like who your circle of influence is, is about like who you can trust or who can help you out. And then when, if you become like a famous person overnight or you know, like even if a reality TV star, you get a little celebrity, like even your friends or like, you know, family members, like cousins start treating you weird or differently,

because they don't really know how to be around celebrities. Sometimes celebrities are looking for people who know how to act normal around them. They don't want to become friends with fans, they want to become friends with people who treat them as equals? That allows a certain type of person to infiltrate these celebrity circles sometimes because they're very good at playing a role. The Anna Delvey story, that whole story was based around this character who could act the part, who could be in these rooms of super powerful,

super rich people and act like she belonged there. And that kind of ability to do that allows certain types of people, like it seems like this guy, to get someone like Chris Hemsworth to trust him or film with him because Chris is like, oh, this guy's a successful guy,

he has other successful friends, but there's a certain type of person who just lies through their teeth in their total sociopaths and they get access to various celebrities. I feel like every normal celebrity has had an interaction with a total sociopath because they thought they could be trusted

or they acted the part. And I think this is a type of person that every once in a while reveals themselves to be like, oh, we should not have been fucking with that guy, because it turns out they're a total sociopath, and they're not who they said they were, there's nothing authentic about them, they're just crazy as fuck,

and they've been lying the whole time. 100%, I mean, I think that exists everywhere, but I'm just like, even then, his whole claim to fame was him trying to be a luxury real estate agent, and he got really well known in 2018 because he started doing collaborations with Ryan Sirhart who does a million dollar listing for Bravo. So it's like an obviously when you're a luxury real estate agent, your Rolodex is going to be filled, depending upon where you live, LA, New York, it's going to be filled with

most likely celebrity clients because they can afford the real estate that you're trying to sell. So in the process of that, not only, but I do think the thing that you need to be wary about are people that want to just be public figures. Like actors become famous because it's a part of it, but it's like they're honing in on their skill, their craft, and it just so happens to be in the public, you know, that the public needs to respond

for them to be successful. But I'm like, when you're going out to be a public figure, like he documented his whole body change. He got on Raya. I told you he matched with one of my roommates, and he was willing to like fly her out and this whole thing. And I was like, maybe not after watching a couple of his videos, because he's very like, welcome to end. And I was just like, it's very like, what's his real personality? You don't know. So yeah, he's put on an entire front this entire time as this like, well put together luxury real estate agent. And then obviously,

you saw the video after he was detained. And this man is unhinged. And he's literally sitting there saying that he wants to eviscerate people that he's like, if you want to test my competence, like, like literally threatening whoever is interrogating him. So I'm just like, yes, exactly. That I'm like, you have no idea who people actually are based off of what they're putting out there, wanting to become a public figure or wanting to become famous

without actually having a reason or like a passion or like a skill. You know Chris Hemsworth is like sitting there being like, fuck, like he's included in all of these videos of him. Yeah, everyone's like, all his buddies are sending him stuff. He's like, man, I just like, I don't know, the guy picked me up at the airport once or something. But it is crazy that it has to go to this extreme.

Usually it's like they maybe steal your clothes or something and you're like, what the fuck? Okay, fuck this person, I'm not talking. But this guy is running over a police officer. Running over cops. He's doing crazy stuff. And he got a DUI in March, like a couple weeks prior to all of this. So it's just like he's already been in trouble with the law.

And then once he got pulled over again, he's claiming that he's been sober for over a thousand days, but then he ran over a cop while fleeing. Was he drunk when he was running over the cop? I don't think he got charged with a DUI. He's just not mentally sane. Just not all there. He's ordered to appear in court within 55 days

for a competency hearing, and he will remain behind bars until then. That's nuts. Yeah. Well, like I said, we have a great episode for you. Erin Leachie and her husband Abe are joining us shortly. And after that, we have the iconic Christina Hendricks is with us promoting her new show, Good American Family.

It's out on Hulu. It's a great, great show. Many of you are watching it. It's that crazy story. What's her name? Natalia. Natalia Grace. Was she a kid?

Was she not a kid? Like, what a crazy story. And it still seems like more things about the story are coming out. Do we even really know what the actually truth, truth of the story is? It doesn't seem like we do. I think she was definitely a kid.

Okay, we know that for sure. I think that part was proven. We know that for sure. I think she was older and they had just been lying to her. I don't know. Someone out there knows, but it's not gonna be me. Anyway, Christina Hendricks is with us to talk about our project and a little reality TV.

She happens to be a huge Bravo fan, excited to have Christina as well later in the show. Also tomorrow, we have a Going Deeper that, ooh, it's something. Allie Luber is with us on Wednesday's Going Deeper And it's something. Allie Luber is with us on Wednesday's Going Deeper to talk about her life, her experiences, her new show, and her relationship with James Kennedy

that night that he was arrested. Her thoughts on James, her relationship, Lisa Vanderpump, there is a lot there to unpack You will not want to miss that episode We really appreciate Ali taking her time to be as vulnerable as she was and finally open up about that experience in great detail That is tomorrow for going deeper. Be sure to mark your calendars. You will not want to miss that Be sure to mark your calendars. You will not want to miss that episode. I promise you that.

There was some jaw dropping, like, oh my God. Like, I didn't think you were gonna say that. And then she did. And here we are. I do, I have a, is River asleep yet? No. She's not asleep. She's got, you know.

My mom says she's trying. River's, she's getting older. She's getting a little more personality, a little tougher to put down. But I gotta say, I'm really enjoying my moments as a dad lately, because she's, she's getting older, she's getting a little more personality, a little tougher to put down, but I gotta say I'm really enjoying my moments as a dad lately because River's starting to connect with people outside of her mom. And one thing, it's funny,

I had an ASSNIC caller call in the other day. It was a young man, he was about to be a dad, he's not that young, he's like 37. And usually when people call in for ASSNIC, it's just like they're stuck over some fuck boy or they're arguing with their mom or their friend or whatever and there's some toxicity that we're trying to unpack and figure out.

And this guy's question was like, hey, I'm about to be a dad. I just like, you got any general advice for me? I was a little caught off guard. So I was like, man, I don't know, man. Like, what do you? And so, you know, I offered him some advice, but then I got done thinking about it. After I got done with the call, and it made me think of something I didn't know, man, like what do you? And so, you know, I offered him some advice, but then I got done thinking about it,

after I got done with the call, and it made me think of something I didn't share with him. And that is like as a dad, you gotta find, you gotta find your thing early on to try to connect with your child. Like with River, she's, you know, she's so close with Natalie, you know, Natalie grew her in her body, you know,

she's like, she has been connected with Natalie from the beginning. It's beautiful. I love it. And like as a dad, I've had to like, wait for that moment, right? And so like, one, like, for me, like my thing, what I, what I wanted is, you know, just to find my thing with River that she connected with me. So like, I, that's why, like in the middle of the night, I'm, I tend to be the one to go up and get her. I put her to bed most nights because I just I wanted to be that calming presence and like that's just something we started doing especially like early on like Nellie and I just kind of alternated but as like Nellie got a little as River got older was in her crib like I've I tended to be the one to put her down and my parents were visiting

and so it was like oh mom do you want to like to put her down. And my parents were visiting. And so it was like, oh, mom, do you wanna like maybe put River down, just like spend some time with her before you leave? And my mom was like, sure. And then River started like crying and crying and crying. And she just was throwing a fit with my mom. And I went, I finally was like, all right, I'll go in there, I'll help her out.

And like River just just threw herself at me and just immediately went to sleep. And it was this, and she goes, hi, Dada. And it was the best moment ever. And it was just like, it really finally, now that I'm connecting with my daughter, and then it made me sad. I'm lying there with her, she's going to sleep,

and it kinda made me sad because when you have a child for the first time, every parent will, oh my God, this is so great. It goes by fast, it goes by fast. And you're like, you know it goes by fast, but everyone's like telling you that. And then when you hear like the same thing over and over, you're like, yeah, no, I get it, it goes by fast. But it really made me sad when like River like,

you know, was like hi, da da, because it made me think that like that hi, da da, that the way she said it in that moment like she'll never say it like that again you know because she is changing so fast and like the way she speaks is changing the way she enunciates is changing the way she understands words are changing and it was like i'm never gonna let anyone else put my daughter to bed other than me if i can help it like if i if i'm here i'm putting her to bed because it's my thing with my daughter. And I would say to all the dads out there

and the man who called in for that advice is like find your thing. Like find the thing that you can do on a regular basis that like your child can connect with you. Even like changing River's diaper. It's just like I wanna find like the thing that she counts on me to take care of her day in and day out, because like, it's great, you know,

River has her connection with her mom, it's like undeniable, and now that River's getting older, I'm finally having a connection with her in ways that like somewhat compare to Natalie, and it's a really cool thing, but like, if it weren't for me putting her to bed, like almost every night, like, I don't know if we would have that connection, so anyways,

just advice to all the dads out there. People talk about their favorite toddler moments and a lot of it's like, oh, you know, when they do the leg hug, when you're standing up and they walk up to you and hug your leg, or if they grab a book and back up and then sit into your lap, you know. There's a lot of those things. I think I realized my favorite

and it's when she's crying, she's upset for some reason, and someone else is like trying to calm her down. Maybe I'm in another room, maybe I'm like, she's throwing a tantrum or whatever it is, I'm trying to ignore it. Well, then she'll like come up to me and I'll pick her up and she just goes, mama. It's like that's all she needed was just pick her up. And she just goes, mama.

It's like, that's all she needed was just like her mom. And like the way she says it is just like so, it's like all she needed was me and it's so soothing. And it's the sweetest sound. I know it's so sweet. It does make me sad. It really like, it makes me wanna stop time because like she's just at an age

that like all these moments will just, you know, when she's three, I'm sure it'll be great. I'm sure she'll do things when I get really excited, but she's just never gonna, the way she acts today, she'll never act like that again. The person she is today, she's an entirely different person than a month ago. I don't know, it's that.

My mom just got her to sleep and she's been in there for an person than a month ago. I don't know. It's that. My mom just got her to sleep and she's been in there for like an hour and a half trying. So I think there was, I'm sure a lot of playing and you can ask Abe, but his, cause they just had a new baby. All right, up next, Aaron and Abe are gonna get into White Lotus Summer House

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No, Abe's at work. Nice, he's calling us from work. Love that. How are you guys doing? Yeah. He's back at work the Monday that. How are you guys doing? Yeah. Back at work the Monday after the baby was born, it was great. Yeah, you're like really hands off these days, huh? Number four, your hands off. You guys wanna fight about it on the show?

Really excited about this. Yeah, right? Let's do a scene. How old is he now? He's two weeks. That's crazy. He's a little baby. Oh my God.

Well, congratulations. So baby. Thank you so much. How are he now? He's two weeks. He's a little baby. Well, congratulations. Thank you so much. How are you feeling? I feel great. I really do. You look amazing. I feel really good. Thank you, thank you.

I actually am gonna do a whole, like on our podcast, a whole talk about how different this pregnancy was for me because typically I'm like any other pregnant person. I don't know if you were like this, but I ate everything in sight and like Abe would deliver me a sleeve of Oreos and milk in my bed every single night. And like that was my ritual. I, this time I was like, I'm not going through that again. It took me a year to lose the weight. And it's so interesting to me because my body is just reacting so differently. So it's so funny. I was told by my doctor very early on,

she's like, everyone always says you have to eat for two. And it's like, you don't have to eat for two. Like you just eat your normal, yeah, like you'll be fine. Great doctor you had. I know. Was this an excuse when you're stuffing your face with a sleeve of Oreos, you're like, I'm eating for two, leave me alone.

Yeah, it is the excuse, it's terrible. And then you're like, and it takes so long to bounce back and it makes you not want to have more kids. Abe, did you gain any weight during any of Aaron's pregnancies? Because I got real chubby. Yeah. You did?

Maybe the fattest I ever was. I don't think I was ever over 200 pounds except for the month that River was born. Abe did the same. I gained like 20 pounds. I lost it because I was like, I looked at myself in the mirror. I'm like, bad fuck, what a disgusting piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like the scene from Game of Thrones. But I lost it and I was, thank God, because I don't know if you had the same thing, Nick.

It's like the late night eating. They go to sleep early because obviously they're tired and pregnant and so you're just bored and I found myself just digging into the fridge. Sorry, Aaron. Well, Natalie told me that husbands sometimes gain sympathy weight as a way of moral support.

So I just took that as a green light to just be a glutton and stuff my face at night. And I was like, oh, I have a high metabolism. This won't affect me. Well, wrong turns out older. Yeah, I got. Yeah, that's what happens. I think when you get older, it's just not as easy to get it off. Erin, can we address the elephant in the room? You got some, you got some online, you know, the haters wanna hate how you're parenting your child. You've been kind of popping off in the comments.

I'm not even that familiar with it. I saw the video, you seem fine, but the mom shamers are out and about. I think anytime you're holding a newborn and you're not holding them with like both hands like wrapped around the head, they're always gonna have a problem with it. It's like he was on my elbow. The way no, no, no.

And I yeah, I see that and I have no judgment towards you. I told you maybe it's just like, I remember in the beginning when Nick and I were we would like take videos or take pictures of us holding river and it would be like, that actually maybe like we know we're holding that baby safe River and it would be like, ah, that actually may be, like we know we're holding that baby safe, but it's like the internet, the internet. Yeah. There are a couple ones where I was like,

you know what, I can see where this is gonna go. Yeah. Yeah, I had a feeling after, well, once I saw it, I was like, okay, it does kind of look bad. But also I didn't care because like this is my fourth kid and all my other kids are perfectly fine. Heads still attached.

And I actually, heads are attached and I actually thought it was really endearing seeing all the people like ride for me and be like, she knows how to hold her babies, leave her alone, stop mom shaming. So that was kind of the cherry on top. I was like, you know what, you guys want to come at me for any little thing I do. I'm not going to like, you know, run and hide and remove it and be like, oh, I'm sorry, Internet. Like, no, my kids are OK. Good for you. You guys, your baby's river, you said? Yeah. I was one of my errands.

What are Aaron's names for your boy? I love that name. Yeah. For my third. There is a lot of boy rivers out there, not as many girls. So I guess we have, I don't know if that's good for River or not, you know, cause she'll be going to school with a lot of boys named River and she's gonna have to. I like it as a girl.

It's beautiful. I like the irony. What did you end up going with for your third? If you didn't choose River. Oh, we named him after my dad, Elijah. Oh, beautiful. And you're two week old, what is his name? His name is Jack. Jack Hunter Lee. if he didn't choose River. Oh, we named him after my dad, Elijah. Beautiful. And you're two week old, what is his name?

His name is Jack. Jack Hunter Leachie. Jack Hunter, that's so cute. Oh, was it harder? Like was your first very easy to name and then your fourth very hard or the other way around? Yes, yes. They got progressively harder.

Actually with Layla, we were in the hospital. Yeah, they were, it was. Well, Jack, I guess we knew. Jack, we knew. Layla, we didn't have a name. I know, they were like giving us the papers saying, you're gonna have to mail this in if you don't give us a name.

Like you need to decide. Well, you can be Kylie Jenner and just kind of switch it up three months in or. I know. It's funny actually, her name was Wolf and Elijah's middle name is Wolf. So we thought that was funny, but or her baby's name was Wolf.

But yeah, Layla was a tough one. Layla was a tough one. And I think the first was the easiest. I actually had a camper at a city camp that I worked at when I was like 14. I fell in love with this little camper named Levi and he had long hair and blue eyes. And I remember I was like, Abe, if we have a boy, this is the name. Like I'm in love with him.

And one of my girlfriends that worked at the camp with me, like wrote to me immediately when she saw the name and she's like, are you kidding me? Like that's the camper. I knew you were going to do that. You were going to take that name before I even had a boy. So it was funny. That's funny. All right, what did you guys think of the White Lotus finale?

I was a little underwhelmed, if I'm being honest. Oh, I loved it. You loved it. There were parts of it that were cool. Thank you, loved it. But I don't know, like the whole resolution with the family, it just felt there was stuff to be desired. Though I did appreciate the irony with, um, what's her name?

The woman who got the money from the guy. Mm-hmm. Belinda. Oh, yeah. You called that. There was like a really... It was like a good irony, because it ended with her telling Hornshy, the guy's name, you know, oh, sorry, we can't start the business.

And that was literally the same exact thing that had happened to her last season. So I thought that was kind of interesting. Yeah, I do like how they kind of, they made her character seem a bit hypocritical, you know, like just like what money can do, you know, or as soon as you have it, how your perspective immediately changes. You go from, you know, having all these like wishing you had money or, you know, a lot of people who don't have money always talk about what they would do

once they have money or how generous they would be with their money when they expect other people. Yeah, it's like the famous question, like what would you do if you won the lottery? It's like I would give half of it to charity. Yeah, immediately. I would set up my family and blah, blah, blah. I would give this and you have it.

And you're like, well, listen, the taxes are just really a you know, a lot. And, you know, it's just like immediately you start realizing how much money you don't have or where it's going. And everyone's asking you for money. That that was a I did like that that darkness there. I think I had to marinate on the finale. You know, at first I was really pissed off when they he almost killed the kid.

I was like, we don't need to kill the fucking kid. Really, the kid, the kid? Like the only kind of innocent soul, I mean he did jerk off his brother, so I guess he's not that innocent. But like, you know, honestly, like he's conflict, he's a teenager, he's like, you know. But like, thank God the kid survived.

And that was also such a beautiful scene, the way that he came to. And I thought the whole relationship between Chelsea and what's his name on the show? Rick. Rick, right, I love him. He's such a good actor. Well, before the episode started, I said to Natalie,

I go, I just don't want Rick and Chelsea to die. That's the only thing I care about. Oh, really? Damn. And I thought Rick was beautiful about it though. It was. It was. It was very poetic.

Did you think they were in love? I think so, but he was so troubled by his past. He had such childhood trauma that he just couldn't let it go. And seeing how she just continued to follow him, and she was just so love struck. And when he saw her there, just the way that it all ended was, and then the Darth Vader of it all, I am your father. I thought that was the funny part you know no that was a random they really did Mike White really did pull from Star Wars the like you go to go kill your father and then find out it's your

father but instead of like not killing your father he he found out after like he did not have the power of the force he couldn't bring himself back you know no no I will say what my favorite part of the ending was the very end of Jason Isaacs who is probably my favorite character just he was the way he conveyed like I address of a man dealing with a fallout of that and trying to protect his family. Like you really felt it, but there was something really beautiful about that last scene where the camera zooms to the water droplets. And I think a few episodes ago,

the monk was talking about life. It's like the ocean and then drop spray of water and then it drops back in and you join the ocean and there's just kind of this resolution of peace that you could tell he had within himself given that he was going back to all the chaos. I thought that was really cool. I liked it at the end where he finally said like things are going to be different because his character or that family pissed me off throughout the whole season.

This kind of entitled, like no resiliency, like no backbone. It was like just the dad and whatever work he did to like accumulate whatever wealth that this family has. I don't know the family's history, obviously they're fictional characters, but there was this no resiliency, like this idea that he was willing to kill his family because he didn't think they could like endear

no air conditioning or like having to get a job or anything like that to finally be like, you know what? Things are gonna be different. We're just gonna have to figure it the fuck out. Like I was like, I needed that line from his character because it just like, it annoyed me to no end, the weakness of that like entire family. Sam Rockwell like coming out of the hotel room

doing the somersaults. Oh my God. I felt so, so fucking good. That felt so improv, but it was so good. So good. I loved his cameo. I mean, I know everybody's been talking about it, but that monologue, Sam Rockwell's monologue from a few episodes ago, I thought was so fucking awesome. It's so dark and it just kept going and going. He's one of my favorite actors. He's, he's been great. Yeah. He's, he's fantastic.

I mean, the more I thought, you know, it's just like someone has to die. And like the more I was upset that it was like Rick and Chelsea dying, then the more it's just like, you know what, I guess whatever, you know, I'm kind of fine with it. Yeah. There was a certain piece, you know, he, I mean he killed the father, found out it was the father and and there was a finality to it that they ended up together forever. It made sense.

Yeah, it was like he lost, he killed his dad, and then he got his girlfriend shot, and then it's like he's gonna go to prison. It's like he's carrying her out, and so him also dying with her, it was kind of like a nice little bookend. Can we talk about Guy Cough for a second? Oh, the guard, yeah.

That was like very similar with the woman who got the money where it's like a situation will just change your perspective. He was like, I'm not meant to be a guard and I'm not at the violence. And then when it came down to it, he wanted to, I think just impress Mooc. And so he killed Rick.

And then he said, yeah. How do you remember all these names? He is such a, like, when he watches, he's watching. Abe, like, he really catches on to everything. Are you a phone down guy, Abe? Do you put the phone down when you're watching Prestige? Yeah, I'm not a phone.

He yells at me if I'm on my phone. I hate it. I don't watch that much TV, so when I do, I'm like dialed in. He did shoot him in the back though. Kind of dirty. You're not supposed to shoot someone in the back. But he was walking away.

He was carrying a dying woman. Yeah, that's actually true. Exactly. But then shot him in the back. Yeah, he turned out to be like a real POS. He had just a street locked, huh? Yelling at him. Yelling at him.

Yeah, I know, there's a lot going on, but you know. The pressure. The pressure. Yeah, he buckled under pressure. There was a lot going on, but you know. The pressure. The pressure. Yeah. He buckled under pressure. All right, how does this rank for you guys in terms of season one, two, or three?

Where do you fit in season three in terms of best White Lotus season of all time? The bottom. I think they're so different. Really, the bottom? Why the bottom? I don't think it's the bottom. I like the other two seasons better.

I don't know. They were funnier, they were lighter, I think. Don't you? I mean, this was dark. I really, I don't think it's about like the other two seasons better. They were funnier. They were lighter. I think Don't you I mean this was dark. I really I don't know I think season three is up there for me and me too. I loved it I don't even remember what happened in one one was just hilarious I remember that was like when they first came there there was that younger family, right? And that's the sweetey and Connie Britton. And then remember the crazy manager that was like in the room with one of the... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

...doing blow with one of the... He's the one who died. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was funnier and lighter. Yeah, that's true. It was also new, like the whole format of the show and everything. So it was just one of those shock value things. And then I thought last season it was awesome.

I think one is up for me then three and then two, even though I really liked two. But I think three is before two for me. Well, how are you feeling about Summer House? I have lots of thoughts. Abe has not watched, so I'll have to give my own. What are your thoughts? Yeah, this is all Aaron.

I just think it's very, I mean, I'm assuming we're talking about the breakup. Yeah, it's tied into it. That's what everyone's talking about. I think it's kind of like, the whole thing is kind of misogynistic. Like why are we even talking about the fact that she works? Like to me that the idea that we're, and I'm not saying that Craig is like a misogynist or anything. I think he's

lovely and very nice. I've met him. He's actually very, very sweet. But like the concept of constantly talking about her working, I find strange. And I don't know if it's because like I'm a New Yorker and like that was never a conversation between me and my boyfriend at the time. And now husband, I just worked, right? Like it wasn't you're going to have kids and then you're going to, you know, like, are you going to slow down? And that just I mean, I'm working now, right? Like I'm always working. It's just and I have four kids and that never career and family life was never,

you know, a decision that I had to make. It was always known that I was going to continue working. I was always a career person. So I just find the conversation strange. Like why is it always talked about? Was it, cause I haven't seen it, but was it in the context of like just in general that she's working or?

No, it was more with like just kind of figuring out their cadence of like, you know, where Craig felt prioritized. I think more of it was like, you know, are they gonna prioritized. I think more of it was like, you know, are they going to settle down? Where are they going to settle down? He was settling down in South, you know, North South Carolina. She was in New York. Her career was like really taking off and she was going on tour. And, you know, on tour, he was just like, I guess, a little nervous about just like, you know, where he kind of fit in

priority wise. It was less about like whether she was working period and just like, I felt, you know, like how Craig felt prioritized in relationship relative to like her career. Cause I think they had like, they saw each other every two weeks, like they had a schedule of how they saw each other and so he was like, well you going on tour, like that's obviously to mess that up.

So where do I fit in? And I think she took that as. I just think when that starts to become a conversation, at least this is how I would feel. Right. I would just be kind of like turned off because it's like you fucking like figure it out. Like, come visit me or like, don't keep asking me how I'm going to fit in because then it, it almost like, and I'm, I really don't want to be, I'm not hating on Craig. I think he's so cute. He's very handsome. Like he'll find somebody. I'm sure he's adorable, but I just feel like it kind of makes you feel like icky almost like, like

why are you keep asking me? Why aren't confident enough like you just want a man to be like all right cool like you go do your thing and I I would rather be the one that's kind of like okay so are you coming here like when are you showing up I'd love to see you know not constantly the other way around of feeling like you're doing something wrong by being busy I mean as somebody who works like that would bother me. No, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you, Aaron. But you don't even know what's happening. No, but I understand, like, the theme, like it's a common dynamic, I think, between men and women, from what it sounds like.

It seems to me like more so that he probably is feeling neglected and is maybe insecure from that, which I can understand. But I don't think that's misogynistic. I think that's just the typical dynamic. And so. Yeah, the idea of constantly asking about a woman's career as though, like,

there should be a decision made. Yeah, but how much of that is editing with the cadence of how much. Sure. I don't know. I also think, but I'm kinda with Abe here. I think, I also think a lot depends on. Boys versus girls. I'm an insider.

I mean, listen, in the bravo world, I think Abe probably, the man's point of view isn't often the focus or highlighted or even considered. It's always this like shut up and just be there. But I also just, I see what you're saying. Oh, Abe's gonna. But I also just, like I see what you're saying. Oh, Abe's gonna love you now. Yeah, I totally see what you're saying, in terms of like, you're right,

if a guy is very like needy and very just like kind of, the one who is just like, why aren't you gonna worry about me, you know, like that can be kind of an ick too. But I think a lot comes down to like, what is the relationship dynamic period. Paige presents as this very boss, confident, she always tells you exactly what she's thinking and feeling.

She takes no prisoners, she's got a sharp tongue. If that's your partner in a relationship, it's really hard. You know what I'm saying? There's usually only one very dominant person in a relationship, you know, or there's two people or it's even playing field. Very rarely is it like two dominant personalities. So I think Craig just kind of took a backseat to Paige's more dominant personality.

And I think even Craig saying like, hey, I've never, I didn't expect to be like the submissive person in a relationship is him kind of almost realizing like, yeah, I didn't expect to be the submissive person in a relationship is him kind of almost realizing like yeah, I didn't expect this either. I don't even like this part about me, but it's just like she plays that role so well. She's confident in that role. And he's kind of stuck playing this like,

hey, are you gonna call me? Because he knows that Paige never does that. Paige doesn't give Craig an opportunity to be the man in the relationship. And not that she should do anything differently. It's just like sometimes I think, I think men sometimes feel like they play one or two roles. Either they're the asshole or they're this kind of the bitch.

It's this like, either I need you to be and stand up and I need you to take charge, but when he does, it's like, why are you being such a fucking asshole sometimes? And then when you want him to take a bad seat, it's just like, man, stand up and be a fucking man or something, and it's just like, Jesus fucking Christ, like which one do you want me to,

you know, Abe's not, he knows what I'm talking about, yeah. You know? Yeah, Abe knows what you're talking about. I think it happens a lot though. So I, ultimately with the, with Paige and Craig, I mean, they just, I think it's, they just weren't compatible. Like I think, I honestly thought Craig

at their Southern Charm reunion finally said something that, you know, really showed real growth, which is him just acknowledging that like, I think he loved the idea of their relationship, especially towards the end. He has the benefit of watching some of these clips back and some of these things that we all get to see. And he's forced to acknowledge that, you know what,

maybe we weren't as in love as I thought we were. Maybe I wasn't even as in love as I thought I was. And maybe, yeah, maybe we're just not supposed to be together and you see him kind of slowly accepting that. What was jarring for me watching the Southern Charm reunion is the flashback of like Craig when he like first got on this show and like Craig, when he first got casted on Southern Charm looks like any guy who like played the,

like if you ever watched Law and Order and it was always a bunch of like a rich family and then some rich like bad kid who was like in charge of like a fraternity. Kind of, yeah. Like killed someone and embezzled money but he played like the goody two shoe. Craig, that's what Craig looks like

season one of Southern Charm. He looks like, you do not trust that guy. He could have been a White Lotus. Like panic creepy. Yes, no he looks like a White Lotus character. He's so cute now. He could have been a white lotus. Like panic creepy. No, he looks like a white lotus character. He really changed. He looks great. No, he-

He's aged very gracefully. Very well. Yeah, like a fine wine. Yeah. All right, calm down, Aaron. Chef left so much. The young chef looks like a very tall, handsome Michael Cera. Interesting.

Yeah. Chef is cute. He's fine, but like- I think they're all great. He is. Yeah. Shep is cute. He's fine, but like- I think they're all great. He is cuter. I like those boys. I think Craig has aged better and Shep has aged worse. Probably.

What did you think of Craig and Austin's kind of Austin being like, hey, this is what I needed from you. This is how I felt you were treating me that you were like up on this higher level than me. And you look down on me and Craig's like, well, if you think that way of me, then we shouldn't be friends instead of being like, I tend to agree with Austin. Okay. Like Austin's rationale I tend to agree with, I think.

Just like I think if I were like really good friends with someone on that show, he'd probably be one of them. You know, he just seems like kind of a rational, normal-ish guy. Craig, it seems like he was just like trying to defend himself a little bit. You know, I don't think he actually didn't want to be friends with him. It was just his defense mechanism. But you know, a little bit immature. I do. I kind of get Craig's point of view a little bit. I mean, he's certainly rough around the edges and he might be like when all your friends are nicely saying you're an exaggerate or an embellisher or an exaggerator, it's just like

you're you know, maybe maybe you're a liar. Well, I've been around an exaggerator and embellisher if you guys watched our show and there's a fine line. It can get really tricky when you're around somebody who's saying things that and I don't know that Craig is or isn't. I'm just saying that when you're not accurate, especially on TV, it's really tricky because it can be like, you could say something that's a life-ruiner. How is that just not lying? That's what I'm saying. Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's like, I mean, because sometimes you tell a story and you want to like make

it a little, like ramp it up a little, make it a little funnier. I mean, I sometimes do that when I'm telling a story. It's like, and then it took hours instead of maybe, I don't know, an hour. Yeah. You know? Yeah, but like when you get called out for that, you're like, you know, like really hours?

Like, well, no, I mean, it just felt like a couple hours. Where Craig seems the type of guy who was like, no, yeah, it was like five and a half. I have it marked down, it was like five hours and 27 minutes. You know? And he's just like, that's not embellishing, that's lying. That's adding context. Well, that's why, yeah. It's tricky.

So Brynn does that a lot. And especially on TV. Oh my God, Brynn is like the master embellisher of all time and she's really good at it. And by the way, I am convinced by her time and time again. And it's tricky. It's very hard to like navigate, especially on a show. Where I understand Craig's point of view though,

it's just like when you're in this stage of life, you're kind of middle-aged, right? You know, late 20s, early 30s, 40s for some people. And- Bold your middle-age was that, Aaron. Yeah, depends. I guess it depends on who you are. What, well, 40s, I mean, not really. I feel like 50s are really-

They're at a midlife crisis joke and she's like, you're not having a midlife crisis. That's when you're 50. I'm like, no, midlife crisis is like you could have on your 40s. Yeah. That's not when you die. Maybe he knows- You're 40, but you're 41. That's like not midlife.

Is it early midlife? What's the average lifespan? I don't know. We're gonna live- We're gonna be immortal because we're to be morphed into robots anyway. So for us. Here we go. Let's not start this.

Let's not open this door. Let's not open this door. I can't warm to the robot talk. When Abe and I first met, his like pickup line was how we're going to turn into robots. I have no idea why I continue to see him after that. It worked on you. I don't know. I guess. I was like, oh, weirdo. This is that. It worked on you? I don't know. I guess.

It worked. I was like, oh, weirdo. This is good. Big difference than what I've been around. Average lifespan? It says average lifespan is around 72 years worldwide with women living longer than men. What about Americans?

Probably less. Yeah. Well then we're past middle age if it's 72, Erin. 77.43 years. So technically 40 is past middle age. That's insane. What about New Yorkers? They should be.

Yeah. I mean, even then. There should be a. Anyway, what I was saying is it's like, when you're the person who is getting their shit together and you get your shit together faster than some of your other friends, no one likes that. You know what I'm saying?

They're very resistant to you making yourself better. and you get your shit together faster than some of your other friends, no one likes that. You know what I'm saying? They're very resistant to you making yourself better. And then your friends will always say shit things like, you think you're better than us. And honestly, the truth is, when you're the one who's drinking less or just eating right or just kinda like getting your shit together,

you do feel a little bit better than the people who aren't. You know what I'm saying? Because you're actually making meaningful changes. You're putting in the work. Maybe you're going to therapy. Maybe you're waking up early. Maybe you're saying no to whatever it is that you usually say yes to that makes you feel worse,

not better, right? And so you're proud of yourself. It takes a lot of work to do this shit. So by nature, you kind of tend to feel a little bit more superior to your peers and your friends actually feel that because they actually are envious of the improvements you're making in their life that they're not ready to make. And so like, there's always like this weird thing where people are just like, well, you think you're

better than us and you want to be like, well, yeah, yes, I am. I'm actually right now being better than you are. So like, and I feel like Craig's in this period right now where he sees Austin and Shep and Craig, you know, despite his embellishing or whatever, is cleaning his shit up and like he's, you know, focusing on his career and Shep is still has like his baseball caps from college decorating his living room.

And Austin is still focused on going out and partying. And it's just like, I'm just not at this level anymore. And when it comes to that, I'm very team Craig. And I don't think Craig needs to apologize or bring himself to his friend's level because they're not ready to grow up. Yeah, I agree with that. I do.

What's interesting is when you get older and that starts to happen with certain friends and then it's a shitty thing to think about. But sometimes you need to change the people you actually spend time with if they're keeping you back because otherwise you are dulling yourself unnecessarily and surround yourself with people who are making those Same healthy choices in life and all the other things so it's a tough

It's a weird thing when it starts happening. Yeah, and sometimes you actually have to like yeah have a little like friend breakups I've done that with friends where you just like you grow apart It's sometimes you grow back together when they like figure their shit out, but you're just like until then you're just like I don't know I'm not that person anymore. And it doesn't even mean that you don't have to be friends with those people. Just the time, your time is more valuable when you're older, because you're more limited.

So just who you choose to actually spend time with can still be friends with whoever. But it's the time spending, I think, that becomes the term and effect. It was wild to see half of the group say they're terrified of Craig. Yeah, that was weird. Why?

I don't think he's terrifying. Right? Yeah, Austin says he's terrified of Craig sometimes and the group agrees. That was weird. That was stupid. I've had people say they're scared of me. So that's like, I think that's just stupid.

That was really silly. From past seasons though, he does have some sort of anger management issues in the way that he like flips on people I could see how he could be somebody that you don't want to upset because you don't know what's gonna happen next but have we seen him blow up like that recently like is that what we have what's the sign they need to go on a house they think that's blowing up yeah granted he did have a problem with Adderall as well,

so that was a couple of the big blowouts that he's had in the past. I didn't get the impression that that's what they were referring to and they said they were scared of him. I didn't get the impression, and you've watched the show longer than I have, Sierra, but I didn't get the impression it was some sort of,

they're afraid of his physical outburst and that his like, react. Well Andy did bring up his temper and was like, you do have a bet, and he was like, that's something I'm trying of like, they're afraid of his physical outburst in that his like, reactive. It was more like. Well Andy did bring up his temper and was like, you do have a bet. And he was like, that's something I'm trying to work on. I took it more of like his ability to manipulate or deceit or lie or to like, you know,

get revenge on people, his enemies or whatever, where it was more like, he's more calculated. I took it that way. He doesn't really do revenge as much as he cuts people off. He's also an Aquarius. I'm gonna say Taurus, but I don't know. Do you know a lot about horoscopes? What did she say, Sierra, about cutting people off?

I said he's not one really for revenge as he is like he'll cut people off and like make it very much like you are not my friend, I do not speak with you, and maybe that's something to where people are like, well, you don't really give us an opportunity to work through a problem. It's just kind of either you're on my side or you're not.

So I felt like that was kind of more what they were talking about. Like there's no way of confronting him when he's in the wrong. He'll just cut them off. See, but if that's the case, I'm more team Craig. Because that's basically saying, I don't like that you're really good

at enforcing your boundaries. Like whether we agree or disagree with Craig's boundaries, he is very good at just being like, this is how I think and feel, and I'm gonna stand by it, and I'm gonna own it. You don't have to like it, I'm not asking for your permission, this is just how I'm gonna operate. A lot of people don't have that follow through.

They don't have that resolve to. They don't have that like resolve to like have people be upset with them, right? Because like the opposite of like enforcing a boundary is being the people pleaser, right? Like, and I think Austin and Shep are like notorious people pleasers. They're like the guys who like everyone wants to have fun around, let's have a good time. And I think they're they're very uncomfortable with people like Craig who are just like, you know, if I don't like it, if it's not gonna be this way, I'm out.

But that's not like something to be scared of. That's just because you're uncomfortable, their ability to like say no to you. Yeah, I think they were saying that they're terrified of his temper. Because Andy did point that out. Switching to Summer House, do you feel like Lexi has a right to be mad

at Jesse for the toe suck? The 37 minute toe suck that he joined in. He joined in on a three-sum. 37. Can you give a quick backstory? Yeah. So, you know, Summer House, there's a lot of partying going on

and Jesse Salomon, well, there's two household fuckboys, Jesse and West. Last year one of the fuckboys attempted at having a girlfriend and went as well as you thought it might. This season the other fuckboy is attempting to be a boyfriend and he walked into a room where their other housemate was having a threesome

with two ladies. He seemed to be under the influence when he walked into said room. And what we've learned from this moment is that apparently someone, I believe it was a lady, sucked Jussie's toe and only sucked his toe for, he was in there for 37 minutes. So maybe he was just watching, I don't know,

maybe they took a timeout from said threesome and just like started chatting, chatting about like the night. That's a long fucking very likely. I mean, he didn't tell his girlfriend to defend Jesse, which I think is probably surprising. But I feel like what happened to him and I think he's like such a sweet guy just based on the show. But I think what happened to him was he I think he's like such a sweet guy, just based on the show. But I think what happened to him was he got excited. He liked her. He kind of like fell into it. But like the guy

just cleared himself from having testicular cancer the summer before, you know, like he wants to be free and happy and have fun. Like I almost feel like he just kind of got, he got kind of stuck, not that she got him stuck, but it just kind of happened that he got in this relationship, but he almost like didn't, he was conflicted and maybe he didn't really want to be in a relationship because he wanted to have fun. I mean, that runs a toll on you,

being so worried about having cancer and it coming back and now he's at the five year mark and like, I don't know, I kind of feel for him. I know what he did was wrong. I think if you beat cancer for the next year, short of you killing someone or doing something illegal. You're allowed to do whatever you want. You kind of get to do whatever you want, man.

Just be like, I don't know, man, I thought I was dying a year and a half ago, fuck it. It's like, yeah, I guess, you know, honestly. Live your life, get your toes up. Get that toes up. And he was almost trying to please her because she was like, I'm very jealous and I wanna be exclusive and da da da.

And it seemed like he liked her so much he didn't wanna say no, but you could see he didn't really wanna do that, which I wouldn't wanna do that either. I think even when he introduced her to his parents and his like, I.T.M. he was like, yeah, I didn't really want to do that, but I knew she meant a lot to her or something. And it was like, OK, you're doing a lot that you don't want to do.

Yeah. And so it was like, I mean, it's not right, but it's like, you kind of get it. Lexi is on her TikTok, bad bitch lip syncing to like, fuck that man songs. Oh, is she? Yeah. So they're not together. It does not appear so.

There's a lot of getting ready makeup transitions to like, you thought I was your girl? Well, fuck you. Well, one of my favorite things online right now, especially in the reality TV space, is the attempt at the aria automatic treatment. What is that? Well, I mean, you know, post scan, like you're saying Jesse is going to get like get like reap the benefits. There's a lot to be gained. Career wise,

if if you are seen as the scorned woman in the reality TV space. Rachel Kirkano is currently benefiting from the same movement, right? And it's just that she's from Bachelor Nation. She recently broke up with former bachelor, Matt James, and I don't know, he broke up with her in a way that maybe lacked a little tact, certainly deserved some criticism.

Ultimately, they broke up, whatever. I think eventually she will come out with a lot of stories of how he treated her in that relationship, but in her initial like we broke up interview it was very much just like yeah, you know, he was kind of like mean to me sometimes, but like he just broke up with me and then I got on an airplane and then landed

to like him posting it to social media and. Like he announced it without her knowing while she was on a plane before like she, so that was the big crime. Right. And definitely he deserves an apology. Not the worst thing in the world. No, but whenever the internet grabs ahold of something,

sometimes they just, they get triggered by something. And it's just always, right now you see, especially in reality TV, where there's this upcoming breakup and you think someone's gonna look a certain way. And Lexi is right now on the trying to... Oh, interesting. Yeah, well, Sierra had it a little bit from West

last season, right? Bravo World rarely rallied behind Sierra when, you know, with her and West breaking up. So I think she's hoping for the same treatment. I think, unfortunately for Lexi, she didn't like account for beating cancer. And it was just like, you know, you don't, you're not gonna get the Ariana Mets.

You know, if Tom Sandoval had just beaten cancer, we- I also think it feels different, Sierra and Lexi, the situation. Why? Like Sierra clearly really liked West, and he just, I mean, I don't think he did anything really wrong, I don't know. I don't wanna say anything. I don't think so either,

honestly, I think she just has her feelings. Yeah, I mean, maybe he could have been a little like more gentle in the press after, but it seems like she just really liked him and it just didn't work out. But in this case, this just feels like like a really fast relationship that came kind of out of nowhere

and doesn't really even make any sense to me. And like, all of a sudden we too, they were like getting married. Like none of it makes sense. Sierra and Wes like felt like a real relationship do you know what I mean? This one didn't. I do think it was interesting you know he he went out of his way to like call her and let her know that everyone in the house thinks that he was flirting with Sierra but he just wants to like let her know if she hears that it's not true that they're brother and sister, but he did leave out that he got his toe sucked. And to Lexi's point, she was like,

if you didn't think it was a big deal, or if you didn't think it was weird, you would have told me. Which is an excellent point. You would have told me. That isn't true, that isn't a good point. But on the flip side, he could have just felt weird about it

and not said because of that. But like the whole, I don't know. Well let me ask you this, Erin, as someone who is a Bravo celebrity herself, there was a line where, like Jesse's talking to the producers, right? And the Bravo gives a little BTS, like sometimes they show that conversation.

And Jesse is basically saying, like this is, it's toe sucking, it's not sexual, it wasn't a big deal, I was fucking around, whatever. Like I think as a guy, you do know that sometimes you're like, I'm being a fuck, this is not sexual, right? Whether the optics look good or not, I get what Jesse was saying in that moment, but he said, I don't want this to be a thing.

And as a human being, I thought I'd laugh because I was just like, what a hilarious line for any guy to say, I cheated on my wife, but I don't want this to be a thing, like the way he said it. But I wanna know from your point of view, Aaron, to me, that actually sounded like a Bravo, like a show line where you're,

Jesse the Talent was talking to the producer saying, guys, I'm not into this storyline. You're forcing this storyline. It's not a thing. I don't want this to be a thing. And I felt like they use that against him in that moment. That's to make it say those words. No, I know.

But you say those words, they they're like, it's a thing now, you know, but I agree with you. That they're like, it's a thing now, you know? But I agree with you. That sounds like something that he's saying about the show. Like, I feel like I've said that before. And the minute I said that, I was like, fuck, this is gonna be a thing now. No, I know.

Because the way they hear it, I was like, well, sorry, Jesse, you don't get to decide what is it, isn't, or isn't a thing, when it relates to your actions. But like, I can totally understand in that moment where he's just like, guys, I'm down to play along, I'm down to give you storylines, but I'm not down for you guys to make this a thing.

This is stupid. And I was curious what you thought. I agree with you. That sounds exactly like something we would all say. Season one. Do you watch any other Real Housewives franchises? Um, I dabble. I love Miami.

It's actually like my favorite, which is so random. Beverly Hills, I kind of fell off this season. Yeah, it's a little boring. Uh, well one of the, well, Garcelle just left Beverly Hills. I saw that and I love her so much. She's such a bummer. There was a producer who was talking about Garcelle just left Beverly Hills. I saw that and I love her so much. She's such a bummer. There was a producer who was talking about Garcelle's exit and he mentioned how proud he was of her.

And you see comments like this online all the time for various actors or reality TV stars. But this particular producer talked about how, he really judges obviously someone's character or who they are as a person by how the crew enjoyed working with various talent and he talked about how when they were shooting with Garcelle, crew was always ecstatic and that she was always this really wonderful and gracious

and how that was different from some of the other castmates on Beverly Hills. From your point of view, are there some people from the Rony franchise who are more pleasant to production than others? Yeah, of course. You can't name any? Who are, well, give me the good ones.

I'm one of the good ones. Sai is one of the good ones. Uba's good, but she tends to be like on her own timeline, which is challenging. Okay, so slightly inconsiderate with her timing. Yeah. Jessel also, I think is on her own timeline, but I think they generally, I think they like all, I mean, I think Jenna's pretty easy to work with. Raquel, I know they loved. I know they loved Brynn, but I heard that it was challenging sometimes. I don't know. I think you can kind of watch the show and make decisions that way on who was easy and who was not. But I will say about Beverly Hills, I've like hung out with Garcelle many times and she's really that's so true because she is such an awesome person and like just fun to be

around and easy to talk to and I can only imagine that that was a big loss for them because she's awesome and I think she adds a lot to the show so it's a bummer. It did feel like, I don't know why I felt this because you know she's been my girl this season but it felt like this producer wanted to say that Dorit was like mean. It just I don't know I'm basing this off nothing, but it, I don't know. I don't know. When he was saying how Cursel was so kind to, to the crew, it just felt like he wanted to like throw Dorit under the bus, but I could be wrong.

Really? I could be totally wrong. That's maybe me projecting. I don't know. I'm not going to say anything about Dorit because we had like a weird thing at BravoCon and now we're like, we DM and I would love to support like another Israeli on Bravo. That's like very uncommon.

So- You guys got in a fight at BravoCon? We didn't get into a fight. We didn't get into a fight. She and I had been on like these Zooms. We were part of this like subgroup on Bravo. We had been on some of these Zooms and we were talking and we knew each other and we were backstage

about to go on for like photo ops at BravoCon with fans. And she was there with Kyle and I was like excited to see her because we had known each other on Zoom. I'm just like a friendly person. Like I'm a hugger. I love chatting with people, I'm social. So I was like, hi, like, how are you? Blah, blah, blah. And it was so, I was met with so much, such a cold,

like, I don't know, demeanor that I was taken aback. That being said, she's said since then that she was worried about going on stage. It was like right after the robbery. So water under the bridge. She's been very sweet since. I just haven't hung out, like I've hung out with a lot of the Beverly Hills ladies, like tons of them. We've gone to dinner, we're friends, and they're all so awesome. I've just never hung out with her, so I don't really know.

You're also very close with Lindsay Hubbard. Do you think she would join Roni? Oh, I don't know. I just don't know. I love Lindsay. I'm so happy for her. Her life is like totally different now. Have you had any conversations with Lindsay about it?

Like when you say you don't know, like is that like an I don't know because you do know, you can have to say, you have to shrug your shoulders. Like I'm sworn to secrecy, I don't know. Have you spoken with Lindsay about it? No, I don't. I think she's open. I don't know what will come of it.

Because like- Have you talked to her about it? I mean, we talk all the time. We talk, you know, we talk. I mean, you're not a producer. You sound like it's your decision. What do you think? I don't know.

I don't know if they think that that would fit or not. I have no clue. Do you think it would fit? The network doesn't tell us anything. Do I think she would fit? I think she'd be fun. I actually do. I think it'd be really interesting to see Her come from a Bravo show into our show. I mean what a different

I think I think you guys kind of need it you guys need you guys need a little you guys need a little She's got the personality for a housewife. I think Listen, I am in my I don't know if this happened to you guys But I am in my era of like like I just wanna party and have fun. I mean, I've been pregnant four fucking times. I'm 37 years old. I'm not a hundred. I want to have so much fun.

I'm like, you know, I'm two weeks out, so I need to wait a little bit, but I am like ready to party. Like I told you about- How old were you when you had your first? I got pregnant, I was 27 or 28, which is young. But you see for us, and this is something we talk about on our podcast, we didn't change our lives. Like that wasn't, we continued to party, we continued to be young people, we continued to

work, we continued to do all the things we were doing before, we just decided to have a kid and kind of spontaneously, you know, but at this point, like I just want to have fun. So I'm very excited about the prospect of having someone that's my age that wants to like that still has that in them that wants to have fun with me, maybe have a couple drinks, which I think we were lacking. And just kind of like be a little loose, you know? Yeah, that's why that's why I feel like you guys could use a little Lindsay Hubbard

because in this past episode of Summer House, it was like, we're really happy for Carl, he's having his launch party for his non-alcoholic bar, which everyone's really supportive, and then you have Lindsay being like, honestly, where's the fucking bar? This is just a party to announce a bar. And I want type of energy at Roni

when one of you ladies are having some sort of event and it's all flashy and it's for the show and Lindsay to just be like, what is even going on? And to start, just question, give us some hardcore Lindsay Hubbard, this is bullshit because I was kind of with Lindsay on that one. I mean, listen, you know, when it comes to like Hollywood or tech startups or whatever, you know, it's a lot of like show and then tell type of thing. You have the launch party, you get the interest, whatever, you create the buzz and then you

actually create or make the product. But I've done both. I prefer the actually just like show them you can actually do the thing rather than talking about the thing where it's like with Carl, like, you know, I'm really happy for him. I'm glad he's picking himself back up. I'm glad he's dating. I'm glad he's sober. He's making a lot of self-improvements, but like, where's the bar, you know? And I wouldn't be, if I'm his ex, like Lindsay was, I would have the same type of reaction. Like, I'm happy for him, but like, he hasn't done anything yet.

Yeah, I like her directness, I will not lie. I do like it a lot. And she's fun, which I also think is great. She is fun, and she is direct. I'm rooting for it. What about you, Abe? Are you pro or not pro Lindsay Hubbard coming to the season of Roni? Honestly, I don't know her that well.

I mean, Erin's playing with her. I do agree that we need somebody to, we need a little shake up as far as the energy and make it a little bit more fun and light and maybe chaotic but not in a dark way. So I'm all for that. I think we're going on a double date, A.F.Y.I. Oh. Cute.

So yeah. Aaron just sends me calendar invites to show up at places. Yeah, he has no idea what's happening any day of the week. Love, that's so fun. All right guys, well thanks for joining the show. Congratulations on your fourth child. Very excited for you both. Thank you. And just wishing you guys nothing but the best.

Thank you guys. All right, take care. Thank you. Bye guys. Bye. I don't know, I'm hoping this Lindsey Deroni thing happens. It needs to happen. She just can't be hiding in the summer house room

for much longer. Since we're talking about Housewives, let's quickly get into some Atlanta. That was wild. Yeah, that was rough. She had posters. They weren't sheets of paper. And she pulled them out one by one.

They were blown up. It's like the levels. I think Cynthia Bailey has said it the best way where she was like, Kenya, this is like a lower version of you that I don't know. And like that was wrong. I'm like, I think it's both like it's all wrong. But yeah, the Internet is back and forth with like it's crazy that like Bravo kicked Kenya off for this. But then you didn't have any repercussions for Brittany or Britt threatening having a gun on her and didn't stop her from filming?

Yeah, add the show element to it, right? Like just the whole story, like outside of like what we're watching, right? Like there's definitely some gaps for sure. Like gap one, these were on poster boards and like neatly like tucked away for the right time for Kenya to bring them out. So clearly she planned on this. And they made it seem like Kenya's response

was a reaction to Brit showing up to her party uninvited and kind of crashing the party. And that's why she almost seemed triggered by it. That's how it came across almost seemed triggered by it. That's how it came across to me. But where were any of these producers when she brought in poster size pictures of these sexual acts that were gonna be so egregious

that they were going to fire Kenya from it? Did no one catch wind of it? Did no one see this? You know what I'm saying? For everyone to act like this was just kinda happened so fast that they didn't realize it and it was almost too late after the fact. Cause that's kinda how it shot, right?

It was just like, oh, she did this. We can't believe she did this shit. We can't stand by this. We have to fire her. But she brought posters. You're saying that Kenya was scapegoated. And, we have to fire her. But it's like she brought posters. Like, you know? And they were talked away. No one saw this?

No one was like, oh, you brought posters. Can I grab these from you? What are these? You know, no one took a peek. Even Shemia said like, all of us have seen these photos and videos, but it's like the second you decided to bring it up in the group or on screen is like another level. So it's like the second you decide to bring it up in the group or on screen is like another level.

So it's like people knew these existed. The blogs have posted them. These are photos that are available for anyone who knows how to find them online is a bullshit argument. What Kenya did was terrible, horrible. And she deserves to absolutely be fired for this. Fine, take the threat as a real threat.

She did threaten her, I get it, but this isn't a threat. Kenya did it. She didn't say, it would be like, the equivalent is Kenya just talking about the videos or photos that are available for people to find and be like, well, you've done this, and you used to, are we all kind of hoes

at some point in our life, most of us? I don't know. Aren't- Fair enough. Kelly said the same thing. Who is this ho? Yeah. Like, you know, if the worst thing that you can find is someone being a ho back in the day. If this situation didn't happen,

I feel like the whole BravoSphere would be like strongly against Brit, which is the interesting situation. Of course, because you should not be carrying a gun and threaten said person with the gun, but when you bring a poster size pictures. Yeah, you can bring quote unquote receipts, but yeah, you didn't need to print out a poster size image

of what you're discussing or what you're talking about. The way she hurt, yeah. They weren't equal, you know? No. No. Yeah. No, not a potential threat in your life while you're being heated and whatnot They weren't equal, you know? No. No. Yeah. No, not a potential threat in your life

while you're being heated and whatnot and something that could be talked out and discussed. It's like you shamed her in front of an entire audience of people. And let's be clear, Kenya's response was based off of her feeling disrespected. It was about, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't about her being scared for her saying? It wasn't about her being scared for her life.

It wasn't about her being worried. It was the disrespect of being threatened by a gun. And so her response to being disrespected was to disrespect Brit. You know what I'm saying? And that's what makes it so horrific and so bad is because her argument is like, oh, you threatened me with a gun.

And again, terrible, you shouldn't do that. And if that's all that happened, you're right, we would all be on Team Kenya. But it wasn't like she was worried or scared, she just felt disrespected. And her response to that disrespect was to go as low as possible. And not just even talk about them,

but bringing them up so that everyone could see at a party in front of her peers, in front of her community, in front of her friend. It was just, it was nasty. It was like there's, you know, basically Kenya just showed there's no, I will go as low as I have to. It won't matter. She goes low, yeah.

Yeah, I have to agree with that too, because I'm like, the thing is that it's like, if we're talking about questioning your safety, then like that's when you talk to production, you don't go and like print off something to like ignite, put more fuel on the fire essentially. I think it's an element of both, because I mean, she even said like,

she only knew this person for like two weeks at this point. And like the impression she's getting now is that she's caring to weapon to potentially backlash on her. I'm not saying this is a way to justify. Justin, if you were afraid of somebody and that person you thought had a weapon of any kind and you were legitimately afraid of them, your response would be to embarrass them publicly? Well, she said she went to production and told it and nobody said anything and still she was being invited to events.

So like in her events, her response was to trigger this person? You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying it's right. I'm not justifying it, but I'm saying that there could be an element of feeling unsafe because they all acknowledged it in the moment. Kenya's actions proved without a shadow of a doubt

that she did not feel unsafe. That is not the actions of a person who feels afraid of someone. Like you don't antagonize that person, you don't try to tear-rigger them, you certainly don't try to embarrass them, you don't try to ruin their life. If you are actually afraid of that person,

that is how you put yourself in a dangerous situation. So like, unless Kenya's not stupid, we know that she wasn't scared. Her actions told us this. It's like, you know what I'm saying? We don't have to guess, we know. Because if you're actually scared, and maybe she went to production,

but that response is not the response of a person who is in any way afraid of this person. I wish that Britt would have actually tried to like reach out to Kenya in a different way than like showing up at the event with flowers and like maybe this whole thing could have been diffused, but it just kind of seems like everybody's trying to show up in each other's faces, but being like, no, I'm so sorry.

And then obviously Kenya ignored her, which therefore Kenya obviously went back, started putting on makeup, so she knew what she was gonna do next. But it's just unfortunate because it sounds like Britt said a lot of things in the heat of the moment that she didn't mean and wanted to come to terms with Kenya. And it sounds like Kenya already had in her mind

that this woman is not okay and she needs to go. So I think that that was Kenya's way of trying to force Britt's hand that being like, you wanna stay in this group? Well, this is what's gonna happen or like whatever kind of, but neither thing is justified by either one's actions. If anything, it's just both sides. Was Brit reprimanded at all?

Like, was that investigated? It didn't, it doesn't feel like it. Her side of it isn't very public. We only know when Kenya did her interview and was saying like, I'm still on payroll with them. Like Bravo still understands me, Andy has talked to me. But we was at this event. That's why Cynthia handled it the best, being like, this is a low, low that I've never seen. She said I read it. I read it.

I read it. I read it. I read it. I read it. I read it. I read it. I read it. I read it. I don't even want it to be known that I was at this event.

That's why Cynthia, I think, handled it the best, being like, this is a low, low that I've never seen. She said, I really hate that you let this end this way. I think you're bigger than this and I think you're better than this. But then she also just did an interview saying that she hasn't talked to Kenya since this whole event happened. And Kenya is online really trying to still paint herself

as the victim. Yeah, I'm like, I'm being, by all means, I mean, she's been cut out of most of the season. I think she's not gonna be featured after this. She doesn't have a tagline this season, so. So, I mean, I'm sure she's trying to get her side out of the story. It sounds like she's on pause though,

that she wasn't fully fired. That's what she's implied, and that's what the, like the tech said on this episode as well. But, and her side of the story is, we know her side of the story, right? Yeah, but she's coming for people trying to justify either people not standing up for her anymore or that she's trying to say that she was in the right

for what she did and a lot of the time, and it's just kind of hard to argue that in the sense that. No, that's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Exactly, I mean, she came for Cynthia, I think even yesterday or something, and used an old clip of Nini talking about her.

So she's trying to use other people's quotes and whatnot to justify her feeling of being isolated or not being heard or not given an opportunity to stand up for herself. But again. So has she. She's gone with the way. Has she come out at all and been like,

well, I don't, you know, my actions were wrong and uncalled for, yes, I have a problem with what Brit did and yes, that's a separate issue. I hope that that still needs to be dealt with and it hasn't been dealt with to my liking and blah, blah, blah, but I should not have done this. I should not have put out these photos. Has she said anything remotely like that?

She did. I mean, the most recent thing she said was basically like, I went too far, I shouldn't have done that. I mean, they all speak in vague terms, so nobody's fully owning up to anything, but she did acknowledge she went too far. That's wild. I mean, it was, the poster boards were absolutely wild,

but I don't know. It's hard for me to think that she's really seen the errors of her ways while simultaneously see her so loud painting herself as the victim in this situation online. She said, hindsight is always 50-50. If I could do it all over again, I believe the photos were very distasteful.

And I elevated the situation. I've elevated situations before, and I've taken full accountability for things that I've done, but it doesn't sound like she's saying sorry to Brit for her actions. She's saying that she understands that like. Sorry for what I've done, not sorry to. Yes.

And then she's like posting pictures of like justice for Kenya more. Kenya. It's crazy. That was a tweet that has just happened. She has been trending as the season's airing. So I think in her perspective. I would imagine so. That is one benefit of doing what she did.

You will trend. And I also agree with Cynthia too, where it's just kind of like, it's unfortunate because Kenya worked really hard to try to get this hair spa salon open and letting somebody's one comment get to you and making your entire event, trying to shame this one woman where it's like,

you should have been celebrating what you've accomplished. It's just really unfortunate. Watching women tear other women down. Right, this should be about you and celebrating what you've come to, have this conversation at a dinner, have this at somebody's house, and even then, does it make it okay? No, but I'm just at your salon opening

where I'm like, this should have been a really big moment for you and for success, and now you not only tarnished the opening. You're at your wedding, you're up at the aisle, you're doing your vows, and then you got in a fight with someone at the wedding the weeks before, maybe it's even a friend of a friend, it's your brother's girlfriend or something you fucking hate or whatever,

and you stop the wedding to just publicly and call them out and embarrass them, because that is exactly what Kenya did. I mean, this event probably had as much meaning as a wedding does to some people. It's her business, it's all about her, it's like she's the center of attention, it's her day, and she chooses to like ruin that by like just being unbelievably messy and petty.

100%, nobody's talking about her like hair treatments or whatever's going on, anybody that's talking about this day is most likely talking about this Brit and Kenya situation. So it's really unfortunate for her. All right, well up next we have Christina Hendricks talking about good American family and her love for all things Housewives and Bravo.

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Thanks for having me. We're so excited. Thank you. We're huge fans. How have you been? What's new? Boy, been out promoting the show. Sure.

Promoting a couple shows. So I've been going back and forth to London and Ireland and back here. Wow. Got married this year. been doing some renovating, have a little bit of a cold. How about you guys? What's up with you?

Wow, you've, I mean, definitely not as busy as you have been at all. Well, we did also get married this year. Last year. Well, it's, we're in our first year. Will this be your first anniversary or your second? It will be. Our first anniversary, yes.

Yeah, same with us. Okay. And we're a week apart. We are a week apart. Yeah. We've decided. And then we are renovating. Oh, yeah. Our first anniversary. Yeah, same with us. Okay. And we're a week apart. We are a week apart. Yeah, we've decided. And then we are renovating. Oh, yeah. Remodeling.

Yeah. Kind of tearing it down. You might have been busier than me, actually. I do hear that you are into interior design, so I am excited to hear your thoughts on a few things. One being the studio. I'm so into it. How are you feeling about the studio?

I love it. Does it feel warm? Yes, it does, and I immediately noticed the pillows, and I really approve of the shade of green. Very, very nice. Okay. Very well done. Nick was wanting to change behind him

and keep this wall green and keep that wall curtain. And I was like, that feels like just, I was like the symmetry of the two curtains. You know those frame TVs that had with the art? You can also put like logos behind it, get some signage behind here, get rid of the curtain which is like nice, but like it's just a curtain.

And how do we do that while incorporating this because that would be a real bugaboo to repaint or redo. Right, because you've got, you wanna have a bit of branding behind you. Is that what you wanna? I can see that. Listen, I think more is more. So I don't mind a little adding texture

and prints with different things. I think you can go a little crazy. Maximalism's in. Maximalism. We got the stamp of approval. I got the stamp of approval. I've been against you for so long. Forward home.

Since we're just staying on interior design, should we just get her input on? You guys are gonna do your farmhouse, right? The lake house. Lake house, I'm sorry, lake house. I saw the boots and I thought farm. Lake house, which is my dream to have a lake house. It's gonna be so beautiful once it's all done.

Right now it feels like it's like a pipe dream, you know? It's like, sure, here's like what I've picked out. Who knows if it's gonna look good together. They just started reframing. So that's the stage that we're in. Are you going to lean into the lake house feel? I think I wanna lean into just the cozy texture pattern vibe and not so cabin-y.

Not like fish on the wall kind of thing. I don't think I'll go that far, but I do want it to feel very warm and cozy because majority of the time it is winter there in Wisconsin, so. I'm so jealous that you get to start this project, Brush. I know. It's gonna be so much fun.

Call me if you want any ideas. I have a lot of fun. Or just, you know. What is your go-to style? I'm a bit eclectic. I would say maximalism for sure. There's a little deco mixed with traditional, very whimsical, lots of pattern mixing. I would say maximalism for sure. There's a little deco mixed with traditional,

very whimsical, lots of pattern mixing. Yeah, lots of things to look at. Are you like an antiquer, vintage hunting? Do you go to like flea markets and find the? I do, you know, I go to less flea markets in Los Angeles because I think everyone really knows what they've got here. And at this point, I think most antique dealers are on Cherish or First Dibs or eBay.

I'll oftentimes be out and about looking and I go, hmm, did you list this last week? I've already hearted it. So it sort of takes the groundwork out now because there's all these great sites and I've had pretty good luck with all of them too. Every once in a while something will arrive broken or it's not exactly what you imagine,

but I'd say 90% success rate as far as like the image matching the expectation when it shows up. I've just recently unlocked the buying the like vintage Turkish rugs or Persian rugs on Etsy from Turkey. Absolutely. From the source. so much like inexpensive. Yep, I just got some gorgeous ones from India.

Yes. One from Pakistan. I'm like, you go here and it is so marked up in LA because it's just like, you know, whatever. But I found them on Etsy and I was like, this is crazy. There's some really good stuff on there. She got me another rugs too. And we walked, cause we were walking the streets

in New York and we were like killing time and we popped into this really like cool rug place and there's a nice gentleman who's running the store, had all these wonderful stories, how much of they were true or I don't know, he was just trying to sell some rugs. I don't know, but what he did teach us is how like, when you buy like, I probably like a rug like this

and you rub it, like all these microfibers, but like when these old rugs they're so old and kind of worn down like you never none of that comes up and it seems like it's like better better for you and there's somehow like that patina that they have that age that just a new rug just doesn't have you know it's just yes you know part of it's kind of like like faded and it's like, the character about it. You just love it so much. If you had a new rug and you spilled something on it,

you'd be devastated. But then we go spend extra money to find a rug that looks like someone else already spilled something on it. I will say when it comes to these old Persian rugs, it's really easy to just take them outside and hose them down. We've had like dogs have accidents on them and Nick, yeah. I'm just gonna take it out.

I saw some hack about someone taking something. Oh, I know take it out. I saw some hack about someone taking something. Oh, I know what it was. I saw a hack where someone took it out in the snow, laid it out in the snow, rubbed it all down with snow and then whisked it off with a broom afterwards and it's supposed to clean it really well. I have not put this into action myself. Like the ice or something?

I mean, maybe it's just. Like it freezes the stain or something? Or maybe it's just hosing it down like you but not saturating it with, maybe it just. We'll certainly be able to try that at the lake. Drys faster because you're not, yeah. No, there'll be plenty of snow. Next thing you know, you've got all your rags out in the snow.

They're, Hendrix, what are you doing? Our neighbors are like, um, help. Your new project, Good American Family, we watched it. Well, it's awesome, one, it's a fascinating story. You're amazing in it. Thank you. Really the whole cast. I mean, it's really. it's awesome, one. It's a fascinating story. You're amazing in it. Like really the whole cast. I mean it's really. It's a great cast.

It's a great cast, wonderful writing, great acting. First of all, like how much of the story did you know before you were presented this opportunity of this project? I mean, cause obviously it was like a national story, people got into it. I mean, with as much information as there was out there, I hadn't heard of it actually. Oh wow. So my husband had, as soon as I brought it out to him, he was like out there, I hadn't heard of it actually. Oh, wow.

So my husband had, as soon as I brought it out to him, he was like, oh my gosh, this story is so wild. So my introduction was the script actually. So I read the script first and I thought, this cannot be from real news story. I mean, it just seems unfathomable that these things could have happened in someone's real life.

So I wanted to be a part of it because it was such an interesting, intriguing story. And then I immediately dove in and watched the ID series and did my research online. As an artist playing a role, do you feel less able or willing to form your own opinion as a fan of the story? Or not necessarily a fan because because it's a bit of a tragic story, but just someone who's been fascinated by the story and kind of like almost in a true crime way, just like have opinions, talk with family or friends about it. Or do you try to distance yourself from that, you know, when playing a character and doing. During the time. Yeah, during the time of filming. Well, I also had sort of interesting circumstances

in that I got cast about 30 hours before I was supposed to be on set. So not only did I not know the story, I didn't have a lot of time with it. So in that amount of time, I read all the scripts, I watched everything there was of the ID story out there at the time, and I found any sort of interviews I could find

with the characters, and then just sort of interviews I could find with the characters and then just sort of stopped at that point, locked into the script and had to work on a dialect, you know, with a different accent overnight. So I just immediately stuck to then what was on the page and in that story. Now since then, I'm still following the story and I'm incredibly curious, but for our purposes in our storytelling, I just really stuck with what was on the page so that we still told our story.

I'm even more impressed with your performance. Oh, thank you. I mean, you really, like watching you on Mad Men, right? Like I think the Christina I'm sitting here today, you see, I can see a little bit of that character. It's a very different look in everything for me. And then like you're playing Cynthia, Cynthia Mann, definitely different than that.

Yeah, very, very different character. Very, very different dialect. Yeah, we went in and created this look, you know, tried to take inspirations from the real life Cynthia and went and chose a wig and, you know, tried on different options, decided on that, took the different sort of ideas that we'd seen from some of the wardrobe that she wore

and went into costumes and immediately started to put her together and it just started to really come together to be this really different human. So I'm really proud of it because I feel like, you might not recognize me when you first watch it. I remember showing people pictures of me when I was first filming it and they're like, that's not you, that's actually not you.

She does your kind of double take. Yeah, but as an actor, that's what you want people to feel. So it's great, yeah. That's amazing. So with your husband being aware of the story beforehand, has he gotten a chance to watch everything yet? He's only seen the first episode. I've seen all of them, but he's gonna be watching

as the audience watches. Oh, how fun. Yeah, he went to the premiere and he thought it was great. And yeah, he's excited to see the rest. Oh my God, I love it. So what do you think about the story? I mean, it's just, you know, it's a very tragic story, but I think what's so intriguing is that it went as far

as it did and it's a real he said, she said kind of situation. And I think so much about this story is about who has the power and who had the power in this situation and a young child. And we can say that she was a young child that's been proven, you know, in science and, and it's out there. But the fact that they were able to re-age her legally from age eight to 22, and that this person didn't have a voice for herself. And so I think one thing that's interesting about our show

is we're gonna show it all at once, but the first half of the story, you're gonna see it from the Barnett's point of view and understand how all these things were said and how they got to the place that now we're in a courthouse. And then halfway through we shift to Natalia's point of view and you're gonna see just how different the allegations are

and the experiences. You realize, God, if we just always listened to this very reasonable looking family said so, so we're gonna believe it or we're gonna listen to this. And then all these other sort of things start to come out and you realize, wow, you really need to look deeper in this story, this is really a wild one. And the character you play

painted in a pretty positive light in this project, but then like stuff has come out about that family as well. And that very kind of just, there seems to be more and more layers to it. Yeah, I mean, these people are still out there living their lives. This story is continuing on. Our story is a very specific time of their story. So for all our purposes, I play Cynthia

as someone who comes into Natalia's life in a time of need, takes her into the family, helps her legally, helps her with love and care and a place to stay. And yes, there have been other things that continue to come out. And I think the public is still learning about, but for our purposes, I come in in a time of need. **Jay St. Hill, MD, MPH, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, CHES, time like playing like doing like a bio like you're playing an actual person and you feel like you have to like there's maybe there is research out there you can do about an actual person have you done that this is the first time I've playing a real-life living person however you know we do we do state at

the beginning of each episode this is a dramatization of this story like do lay hill plays a cop in it, but he's an amalgamation of all the cops that were actually in this story. So our performances are inspired by these people. The story has been altered here and there. But if you're familiar with the story, you're going to recognize a lot of what's going on in there. And is that a weirder feeling, knowing that like whoever you're playing... Is going to see it. Watch it. Sure. it, critique it or.

Yeah, I'm sure they're gonna, well, how could you not? I mean, to have someone playing you on screen must be a very surreal experience. And of course you've got your ideas of the story. So I'm, you know, I don't know how she'll respond to you know, our depiction of it. When people always ask who would play you in your life story? Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know how she'll, she'll respond to, you know, our depiction of it. Who would play you in your life story? Yeah, I mean, that's a game.

That's like a, you know, a game you play at parties, right? It's like, who would play you? Who would play you? Anne Margaret. Ooh. Who would play you guys? Oh gosh. I don't know.

Emma Watson. Oh, I was gonna say like Jennifer Connelly. Ooh. Right? Okay, Nick said yesterday I was sitting, I don't know where he saw it. You were sitting and you said she was giving me a little Demi Moore. Ooh, a little Demi Moore.

Or here I was. I'm not mad about it. I mean, I'm basing this off of physicality and just meeting you, but maybe there's a different sort of aura that someone else would maybe, maybe the longer I knew you, I would say someone else. I'm not sure.

I feel like Nick is definitely, I mean, like a Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Gosling. I get Theo James a lot. Theo James. Just any Ryan. Yes, any of the Ryans. Ryan or Chris. Definitely Theo James recently for sure.

Not recently, I don't see it, but I'll take it. He's very handsome. He's very handsome. My husband worked with him. Really? Yeah, on what? On the Time Traveler's Wife. Not the very handsome. Yeah. My husband worked with him. Really? Yeah. On what? On the Time Traveler's Wife.

Not the film, the series. Oh! Was out a few years ago. Okay, yeah. So we hear that you like reality TV. I do, I'm a sucker. I love that. I'm in.

How did you get introduced into reality TV? The very first show was Real Housewives of New York. I know that one of my best friends was watching it and I was like, oh no, what are you doing? You can't, you can't, it's a betrayal to all actors. You can't, it's against everything in our industry. What have you done? She was like, just watch one.

Hooked, so hooked, so fast. Couldn't believe what I was watching. And then, you know, that was the gateway drug. That was like the OG cast or was that the new? Girl, you think I just started watching this year? I don't know. OG cast. Okay, okay, okay, I was just making sure.

Yeah, no. I've been doing this for a while. I haven't heard that you like the current cast of New York. I do like them. It was time. Yeah, I feel like they, I don't feel like they hate each other enough, you know? I feel like they're all just like cool coworkers.

But, okay, first of all, I feel like to a certain extent, Salt Lake, I'm calling you out because I feel like they feel like they can't exist on the show unless they start a fight in every single scene. Yeah, yeah. And it didn't used to be that way. It used to be that it was a bunch of people and watching their lifestyle living in New York and following them around town and their families

and their lifestyle and how they interacted. And then they would not get along here and there. And then it was like, oh, whoa, there's a little beef going on, that's interesting. But the show wasn't about throwing hysterical fights. And I just feel like it's gotten, like the expectation is if you're gonna get cut off the show if you don't come in and blow shit up.

I do feel like that because now I feel like when we watch something and there's not a fight, it's like, what a boring episode. There was nothing that happened. See, I don't mind. I loved the whole bit this year in New York where they were all making fun of Jenna's pubic hair. And they all like had the,

they were all just laughing, getting along. No one was fighting. They were all in on it. And it was an absolutely enjoyable, hilarious moment on television. So you would almost like to see maybe a little bit more sincere bonding. Some camaraderie.

Yeah, some camaraderie. That makes sense. I don't need to see them all blowing up at each other. How did you feel about Monica, Salt Lake City and that whole exit? Were you like, it's time to leave? Yes, like, or? I feel a little hoodwinked

because I was kind of Team Monica at the beginning. My husband was like, no, there's something's going on here. There's something, he called it. I was kind of like, you know, she's refreshing and like showing a different side of living in the city. I'm still mixed. We were really hard on her, because as I was on reality TV way back when,

and the idea when one reality of aunties came out, like it was kind of triggering for me. The idea that like- Someone would betray you that way? You sometimes interact with fan accounts or fans that interact with the show and the gossip of the rumors and they like to do that and then they'll talk about you

and that can be weird at first, but to find out how I saw it first was, oh my God, if I found out that someone secretly became my friend and I found out that was a person who was like covering me behind my back. I would just, it felt so icky and dirty. Oh, it was icky and dirty. But then we had an opportunity to interview Monica

and she was here and honestly, I was kind of like. I wish I'd heard that one. Still up there. Okay, okay. Check it out. That's the thing about the internet. Nothing goes away. You know, it's like, definitely I was like, you know,

she's messy and you know, maybe she's told her. What was her defense though? Well, her defense was like, you know, she's messy and you know, maybe she's told her. What was her defense though? Well, her defense was like, you know, which I believed is like, you know, Lisa and Meredith, like they all knew that she was a part of it. They even DM to interact with the reality of on tease. Like they kind of do the same. They were playing dumb a little bit.

Yeah. And kind of like guilty, guilty of very similar things were playing dumb a little bit. Yeah, and kind of like guilty. For the drama. Guilty of very similar things, but like maybe in a different way, you know? And I was, you know, the more I've gotten to watch or learn about Lisa just from the eyes of a fan, I kind of buy her reasoning a little bit. But do you think that Bravo knew? No. Do you think that they were like,

we know, but let's just see what happens? I really don't. I think in my experience with producers, and I haven't met all of them, but when it comes to reality TV, is they kind of believe in their stick in a way. But aren't they doing background research? Yeah, but sometimes-

And she did hint at like- She claims. She claims that someone knew, then that person got fired, and that person never told anyone else. Her story's a little fishy about that. I mean, but also, would you blame a producer for letting that happen?

I mean, drama will ensue. I think my experience with ITV producers is that's a less organic way, and that's kind of a, if they did stuff like that, it's harder to have longevity. Get a cast next time because people are like, know they're being set up. You're burning too many bridges just for a moment, right? And it's kind of like a cheap and lazy way

of getting good television. And I actually, I find that to be more truthful than not when it comes to producers. Now they're all, all producers aren't the same, but knowing the production company that produces Salt Lake City and Shed Media and things like that, I just don't see it. And her story sounds a little bullshit about that one.

She's like, well, I kind of told somebody, I don't remember who and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, okay. Have you ever pulled any inspiration from any housewives or anyone for like a part or anything? Interesting question. Even like a party trick. I mean, listen, there's lots of things in the home

with quotes and, you know, like merch from the franchise in the home. So we do enjoy it. And I'm trying to think, like, first of all, anytime you see one in the wild, it's the most exciting celebrity sighting of all. And they know it. I feel like they're all like, I know, I know.

You're getting excited. I can feel your energy. I'm like on an escalator being like, oh my God, I'm behind the counter. So I've met quite a few of them, which has been fun for me. But I do refrain from asking too many personal questions. I just go, I love your show, I love you on it,

I'm so excited, this is amazing. Has there been one in particular that you got a little starstruck from? They're all exciting. I mean, let's go through the list of the ones I've seen in the wild. Jill Zarin, most of the Beverly Hills Housewives, because we live here, so you're gonna see them out.

My husband's seen Sonia many times. That's one I would really love to see. Bethany I've been on shows with, so that was fun. And she was really nice. She sent over a whole big package of Skinny Girl stuff afterwards. Oh. So that was a good perk.

Yeah. And you have some Housewife merch at home? to skinny girl stuff afterwards. So that was a good perk. And you have some housewife merch at home? Well, we have, my husband keeps his pins in a mug with the Countess's mug shot. I mean, it's perfect. I got to fan her on this count. Yeah, she was, when we were heating up. I also met the Countess years ago in Chicago. Which was a... I mean, she's fabulous. There is a tray next to my husband's bed that I got him for a stocking one year that I think

it just says, you smell like hospital. So there's that. It's awful. It's a good quote from the sat way. Honestly, yeah, but I honestly understood where she was coming from. Yeah, you're like, we all know what that is. We all know what it is. It was just like such a strange comment where she was coming from. Yeah, you were like, we all know what that is. We all know what it is. It was just like such a strange comment. It was so strange.

Well timed. Is Housewives your favorite franchise? I would say so. I do like Below Deck, but then when we start to get into like Summer House and stuff like, like in Winter House, like I'll watch it, but begrudgingly. But it's just sort of like scratches that itch where I just, when I just want to

not think about work and just have that soothing salve of reality. Is it like you're going to bed show or is it like Sunday during the day you've got just like nothing going on, you're just hanging out? I have very specific things that I watch during the day and things that I watch in the evening. Really? And day, if I'm going to watch television during the day and things that I watch in the evening. Really? And day, if I'm going to watch television during the day,

it is relegated to like home shows, like redecorating, rebuilding. Those are my daytime shows. Something that if someone walked in, they wouldn't be like, are you watching? They'd be like, oh, what a nice background show. They'd be like, oh, you're educating yourself. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

It's almost like classes in session. It's like, it's a work hours. Yeah, it's sort of that, like, that's like, you're educating yourself. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's almost like classes in session. It's like, it's a work hours. Yeah, it's sort of that, like, that's like, you know, DIY projects, get inspiration. And then when, you know, when the day ends, the last work phone calls have been had, then we can go into our nighttime programming. You can get into like great scripted shows

and then fill it in with your reality TV. Are you a big fan of any scripted shows that are currently out right now? I mean, White Lotus. I mean, you know, the crème de la crème. But do you think, and I had this kind of theory, I feel like what's so popular about White Lotus, I feel like it's a scripted show

written as a reality TV show. In that you're sort of- You're following these like humans and it's like, it seems like almost like a character study on family dynamics and interpersonal relationships, and Mike White, the creator and director, kind of famously was on Survivor. Right.

And then you hear about his inspirations for some of these families, and the more I thought about that, it's like, wow, I honestly feel like I'm watching a, sometimes watching a reality TV show. Well, you're putting a bunch of characters in one spot, which is like putting them in a home kind of thing. So you've got this one environment

and you're watching sometimes people behaving badly and you're watching it kind of spiral out of control. So yeah, I can see how you would, yeah. And the ensemble of it all, yeah, that makes sense. Do you feel like you're able to, I mean, I can't imagine because I'm not an actor, but watching a scripted show, do you find yourself like kind of working in a sense where you're thinking like, oh, how would I have done that? Or, oh, that was an interesting, you know,

kind of just like watching every move that actors make? I think so. I mean, I would say I can still watch something and be whisked away into, you know, the just the performance and the drama and stuff. But of course, I'm always aware of certain things. That's where the reality TV comes in. I'm not wondering why I didn't get the audition. I'm not looking at someone's performance. I'm not wondering why I didn't get the audition. I'm not looking at someone's performance. I'm not wondering why the steady cam is doing what it's doing. I'm just like, oh, there's the boom.

No one cares. No one cares that there's a reflection of the entire crew there. It's more like, oh, we're back in the force. Wow, here we go. I'm just like, this has nothing to do with what I do. So I'm truly able to just relax and enjoy because it has nothing to do with work I do. So I'm truly able to just relax and enjoy because it has nothing to do with work.

I think so. And even though I can enjoy a film or a series and completely immerse myself, I'm always like, I wanna be on this show. Yeah, yeah. How come I didn't get the audition for this show? Yeah, I feel that same way. Mike White, you can call me, I'm available.

And I am not even an actor, so. And I'm also like, I feel like I could be in this. Yeah, well, you probably could. I know you're less tuned into like the Southern Charms and Summer Houses, but have you been following. No, I watch Southern Charm, don't. So have you been following the breakup of Craig and Paige? Yeah, well, I don't. Okay, here's where I draw the line.

I don't turn the show off and then go look it up online. It's strictly a TV show. It's just when it's on. I don't turn the show off and then go look it up online. It's strictly a TV show. It's just when it's on. I have friends who will send me like, did you hear? Okay. And I'll sometimes find out.

So I do know that they've broken up, but I wouldn't know it from watching right now where I'm at in the series. They're not. I don't mean to spoil it for you. No, no, I knew, I knew. That's why I'm watching all this buildup as we're watching Paige's behavior and watching Craig.

And is that, do you set that boundary out of respect for them or you're just like, I don't got the time to follow the drama? I have to at some point cut, these people could not consume my entire life. I have to at some point cut it off. Did you get into the scandal at all? Okay, so I didn't watch Vanderpump at all until

That was how I got into it. the last two seasons, because my husband was like, apparently it's explosive. Oh no, my husband is more into reality TV than I am. Really? Yeah, way more. I mean, some of the shows that he has watched, one season wonders that came and went,

like the most obscure. So when you were like, I think I'm hooked to Real Housewives of New York, was he like, yes, finally? Like we get to watch this together? Every once in a while I'll be like, you know, I'm done with such and such. He goes, don't say that, you're scaring me.

Don't, wait, this is, wait, you can't, you can't pull out now, what are you talking about? We have a deal. Yeah, he gets very scared when I might be abandoning a certain show. He's like, no, no, no. I cannot do Southern hospitality. I will not, I cannot, he's addicted.

He watches it alone. He watches it alone? I know he's, well, trust me, I keep hearing about little tidbits. Well, because if he liked Vanderpump, it makes sense. He loved Vanderpump. So I only watched it the last two seasons. And then of course was obviously hooked

like the rest of the world. But there were lots of people like me who came in on the end of that one. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't start watching until that. And then now they're all gone right when I got hooked. Yeah. Because they're not coming back, right?

No. Does the show come back at all? Or is it like new cast or is it just us? Well, the Valley, if you watch. Of course, of course I watch the Valley. So we're gonna. I found that Valley actually kind of deeper. Like I felt like they were talking about real stuff. Sure, because now it's like we're I watched the valley. I found that valley actually kind of deeper. I felt like they were talking about real stuff.

Sure, now it's like we're out of the bars, we're kind of into real life, some of them are having kids, divorce. I found it like that they touched on subjects that were quite interesting. Yeah, I think this season's gonna be. I'm definitely looking forward to it. When does it come out?

Soon. It's been a minute. Soon like April. It's been a minute. Check out Tim. We can all get together for our anniversaries and watch it. For our anniversaries and watch it together. You should check out Temptation Island on Netflix

if you have. No, no, no. My husband, first of all, he sings the song all the time. He's like, you're not gonna tempt me. And he has a dance that he does with it. I'm telling you, it's a whole, it's tragic. That's where you draw the line? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of lines drawn

that he keeps crossing, but I don't know. Have you gotten, have you seen Temptation Island, or are you like, I'm not even gonna be a part of this? I watched one. I was like, no. I don't, I prefer my reality TV when it's not a game. Okay.

When it's like, there's- It's just their lives. Yeah, yeah. It's just their lives. Okay. Did you get a chance to work with some of the cast that you didn't perform with on this project? Or sometimes when you're kind of in and out,

when you got hired, I'm guessing they had already been working on this project. Did you get to interact with Ellen and the rest of the cast all that much? So they were already on episode five when I entered. So they were already on episode five when I entered. And I'm such a fan of Ellen and Mark DiPlas, Ellen Pompeo and Mark DiPlas, just to clarify. And I wanted to work with them so badly.

And I have some courtroom scenes with them, but really the story kind of shifts from their perspective to mine. So when I come in, they're sort of, I mean, they're still prevalent in the entire thing, but we start to focus on different sort of storylines. So I didn't really get to have like really good meaty scenes with them,

but Ellen was also a producer on it. So when I first came in, because I came in so fast and furious, she was like, what do we need to do to make sure that you can get your job done in the best way? Let's get the dialect coach on the phone. Like, how can we make this easy for you? We're like, we're so grateful that you can get your job done in the best way. Let's get the dialect coach on the phone. How can we make this easy for you? We're so grateful that you jumped in last minute.

We're sorry, but we're glad you're here. And she just really came in, made me feel comfortable. And I was like, okay, someone's got my back. So she was a great producer and I was really grateful for her in that way. So maybe one day I'll get to really do a great scene. So when you got the call of like, you booked this job, it was like, you booked it and you have to leave in two days.

Do you know why that happened? Like, why did someone fall out or? Well, that's what I assumed. I just called my manager and I said, there must, there had to have been another actress in this role because... Or they just couldn't find the right person? They said that there wasn't. They might have just been saying that to make me feel better. I wouldn't, I don't care. I mean, we all get jobs because someone else dropped out.

That's how most people get their jobs. So I'm not exactly sure why they waited to the last minute. And I was like, you guys, this is not how it's supposed to be done. I mean, because I wanted to, you know, I want to do my best work and really, you know, spend time with the materials. So, I mean, there's something to be said for survival skills.

And so I just dove in and made it my absolute 100% attention and that's all I focused on for that time. But you'd have to ask them how that came about. I'm not sure. Okay. There's other people were cast ahead of time. So I'm not, yeah. Yeah, which is kind of a fascinating.

Yeah. Are you the type of actress that like after a scene, do you wanna watch it back or do you trust the director to be like, got it, we're good? I think you're talking about maybe watching dailies at the end of the day, like everything that was filmed during that day.

I don't watch them. Even when I'm producing something, I don't necessarily watch it because I know that I can be overly critical. I do trust that between the director and our producers and our editors, that they're going to, you know, come up with what's best for our storytelling. I'll go in there and I'll be like, wait a minute, my nose is crooked. You know, like I'll start to look at things that like can't be changed

no matter what, so it doesn't matter. And so I sort of trust the process with that. If I were in there directing or doing something, I would definitely, you know, of course I would definitely be. But if it's just me acting, I try to sort of just put down what I put down and trust it. Yeah. How much do you reminisce about your Mad Men days? Obviously like iconic show. Some people call it the best television show ever. Some people meaning you guys.

And a lot of other people as well. But yeah, when you're a part of something that special and that successful, what's your relationship with the show and whether it gets streamed on AMC or you see it or, yeah, like. I haven't watched it in a really, really long time. And I think it might be nice. I might be ready to rewatch it. I watched it when a really, really long time. And I think it might be nice. I might be ready to rewatch it.

I watched it when it was on at the time. The thing is, I don't have to reminisce very often. It's very present still in people's lives. The way that people can stream now, I mean, there's a whole new audience seeing it. A lot of people are rewatching it. A lot of people rewatched it during COVID. And then that's already been five years and people are like, oh, I watched it during COVID. Now I'm watching it for my third time around.

And then there's some people who are just hearing about it and watching it for the first time. And I think something about the fact that it was a period piece, it's timeless. You're not going to go back and go, oh, that feels very 10 years ago, you know, because it's really- They flip phones. Yeah, exactly. Even when you watch it originally, it was out of time. So that's kind of a great thing for us. So I would say like daily people come up and bring it up.

So it's not sort of, I have to go like, well, I remember when I was like, it's very much sort of people are like still like, John! There's such a vibe to the show where like, I don't know, especially if you like that period and it really puts you in a certain kind of mood. You know, there's very, it's not very nostalgic.

It's, it's- It's very adult. Sometimes you find various shows that you just wanna feel a certain type of feeling. And I, that man's very good about that. How does it make you guys feel? Well, I always really liked the fashion and things like that.

And obviously there's a lot of like toxicity with some of the characters and how things were back then. Slightly dangerous. Yeah. It feels a little dangerous. There's a cool coolness vibe to it. And there's like a style vibe. Like it's from a guy's standpoint,

I've always really enjoyed. So like, yeah, that's always the vibe I've enjoyed. I think that was one of the things is that, for women, we enjoy fashion quite a bit. I'm not just saying all women enjoy fashion, but there was something about mad men that all of a sudden men felt like they had something to aesthetically strive to,

whether it was the fashion or even just all of a sudden decorating your home with mid-century, that became very, very popular again, because it was sort of back in public eye again. It's not like we invented the 60s. It's just we brought it back and we did it in this very sort of sleek and stylish way. And so I think there was an element of acting a little bit bad that felt fun, all the smoking and drinking and philandering felt naughty and then things looked great. And you've got these guys behaving sort of badly,

but they look fabulous and they're in these great ties. And I mean, you would not believe how many people came up and said, oh, our office party was a madman party for years. And I was like, it's just like, you know, we can act a little bad at work. So I think people enjoyed that for a very long time. Are there any projects out there or types of projects

that you're looking to do or would be like a dream type of project? I mean, I've always been really bad about planning. I never have sort of said, this is what I would like to be the next thing. Like this year, I have Small Town Big Story coming out, which is like a modern day Irish comedy. And we have Good American Family, which is a little bit psychological thriller, family drama, courtroom drama. And then I've got

The Buccaneers, which is like a romantic Victorian period piece coming out in a month. So I feel so lucky that I get to play in all these different fields and get to try things on and comedy here and drama here. So I feel really lucky, but I mean, I've never done like a good old like Meg Ryan rom com. I would love to do something like that. You know, like I think that would be really fun.

I need to make more rom coms. Yeah, but like adult rom-coms. Yeah, like a Meg Ryan, like a good- You got mail, what a great film. Exactly, what a great film, right? I would love that. Underappreciated, you know, sleep and see how- And White Lotus, by the way, White Lotus.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, I feel like you would be a great character choice for that. See, this is what I'm saying. Truly. Put it out there, hey Mike, if you're listening. We're putting it out there, along with every other actor, but me too.

Did you meet your husband? How did I meet him? Well, I met him working together, although we didn't really know each other that well then. Well, it wasn't hot then, we were just friends. In fact, I don't even think we spoke until near the end of the series. And then we shot it in Atlanta.

So then the whole show moved to Los Angeles. And so I didn't actually see him for a couple of years after that. So we were friendly because we were into music and we had some of the other writers, we would all text each other like, have you heard of this band? Or have you heard this new song?

And so we kind of were aware of each other through that, but it wasn't until a couple of years later. Who made the first move? Well, I texted him and I said, I'm coming to New York. I was going there to sell my apartment. And so we decided to meet at Barney's for lunch. And so we went to Barney's and then there was, a little flirtation going on there.

And then during COVID, we were sort of having this long distance phone relationship and stuff. And he said, I hear things are gonna shut down. And I was like, well, you should get on a plane and come out and visit. Like my show's not shutting down, but and then two days later it was like, wah, wah, wah, the whole country shut down.

And then he sort of came out and we realized that, being around each other all the time was really excellent and fun. It's interesting how timelines, cause we kind of got to- Similar thing for you guys. We were hanging out before COVID started. We were in New York when things were getting crazy. And then like she had spent a week with me.

Like COVID was the first time we spent like any length of time, because she was living in Georgia. It is crazy though, how I feel like COVID made some relationships. Or made her broke. Or broke, yeah. And we got married right around the same time. I know, you guys. Oh my God.

Hopefully things really work out for you. Yeah, I was like, what are you guys doing next? We're both renovating our homes at the same time? Oh my gosh. Best friends forever. Yeah, what is your plan next? Because we'll do the same. You're like, I guess that's what we're doing.

You're from the South, born in the South? Well, I was born in Tennessee, but yes, the South, but I moved when I was a baby and then moved to Georgia and was still a baby. So I really feel like I grew up in Oregon and Idaho, which is very West Coast. Yeah, yeah. So I do have a family in the South,

in Georgia and South Carolina. So I definitely have a connection there and go back there. And sometimes when I get tired or tipsy, I get a little southern sounding. My father was in the Forest Service, and he would apply to jobs in different states and move us to another state. And so we jumped around a lot.

Was there a point in your childhood where you all stopped jumping around or was it kind of like, I'm in middle school here, I'm in middle school here, I'm- Yeah, it was sort of like every four or five years we were up and gone. So it was fairly consistent. And then right out of high school,

I moved to New York City. And so I kept the moving around going and now I've lived in Los Angeles since 97. Oh my gosh it's time to go. It's the longest I've obviously lived anywhere in my entire life more than half my life and my mother's here and my brother's here and I've got amazing friends here so this is home now. Yeah yeah yeah. Awesome well this has been so much fun chatting with you. Congratulations on an amazing project. For those of you who haven't watched it

I'm sure you've heard of it. You're probably already watching it. But in case you haven't it's on Hulu It's called good American family and it's awesome. So check it out. And thank you so much for joining us You'll have to come back and like talk. Yes, I want to see pictures next time I went like updated photos of the lake house I want to see the progress of everything. And we'll do it all. What is it, a new studio? And if for any reason whatsoever, if you are promoting a project, not promoting a project, but if you wanna just come in here

and talk with us about Housewives or a TV show, we will always love to have you back. Listen, I gotta bring my husband in too. You have to bring your husband in. We would like that. He's the scholar. He's the scholar. We just love people with good hot takes

when it comes to those shows. Yeah, all right. I'll be back. All right. Thanks guys. Love that. All right, well thanks for listening. Thank you to our guests, Erin and Abe,

as well as Christina Hendricks. Don't forget tomorrow, a very explosive episode with Allie Luber for Going Deeper. And then on Thursday, the ladies of Disrespectfully, Katie and Dana, join us for Reality Recap. It's a big week. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye bye.