The Viall Files - E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

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What's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files reality recap edition I almost forgot about I I was like, what show are we doing today? Reality. Reality recap edition. We have another jam-packed episode for you guys. Excited to bring it to you. We got the ladies from Disrespectfully Katie and Dana joining us momentarily. Plus, country star Jordan Davis is joining us.

Also, we like to call him the man who wrote the amazing song for Rivers gender reveal is with us. Jordan Davis is with us. It's really cool to do what we do babe sometimes. Just like, oh, and then we get to interview the guy who's like soundtrack we picked randomly, not even randomly. It's a great song. We listen to that song all through the beginning of like-

It's true. It wasn't randomly, but it's just like, it's cool. It's like, it's exciting to have him on. Anyways, we're excited to talk with him. So much to get into. We just got back from a little trip from New York. We were in New York for I think less than 20, well, how many hours?

12 maybe? 12, I don't know. I felt very cool, very spontaneous. Took the wife to New York. No, I took you first the wife to New York. No, I took you first of all. Sorry. Thank you. I got a text from Macy, who is the mastermind

who designed all of my wedding looks. Her and her sister run the SYNC Bridal Company. They're based in LA, but they are opening a showroom in New York and they are in bridal shops all over the world. But anyways, she texted me, it's New York Bridal Fashion Week this week. And she texted me maybe last week and was like, do you think you'll be able to make it? And I was like, oh, I've never I didn't even know this was happening. Like, I must not have got this flyer.

I don't know. So she's sending it to me. And I'm like, OK, like, let me, you know. I will definitely try. Like, I will do everything in my power and I will try my absolute hardest. And it just so happened that like my mom hadn't seen River in two months, which is shocking in its own self. So she was in town to hang out with River

and it on like with recording schedule, everything just kind of worked out perfectly. So we were able to escape. And I feel like, like showing up for those types of things for your friends is so important to me and I hope other people but like big moments in their life in their career like where you it might be a little hard you might have to like call some people a little moving parts spend a little money but like to show up for the people that you care about and to like show them that like you're there for them and you support them and you care about them, I think

is so important. And so I just like, I know it meant a lot to them that we came and meant a lot to me to be able to see the new collection that she has spent so much time designing and working on. And I'm just so proud of Madeline and Macy and I was so happy we got to do it. It was so much fun. We went up, we got there at noon, we took an Uber straight to lunch.

We met Joe, grocery store Joe, he came and met us. We shopped around a little bit. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, it's an adult life to Nellie's point, like showing up for your friends. Like, I don't know, like Nellie and I are definitely in the season of being very, I hate the word using intentional,

but it's true, we're very intentional about who we invest in, our community of people, who are the groups of people we wanna grow old with? In a way. Well, because now it's like we're not just hanging out with people to hang out with people, we're hanging out with people and bringing them around our daughter,

and so I think it's like we want those people to be genuine, good people that our daughter could look up I think it's like, we want those people to be like genuine, good people that like our daughter could look up to one day and not bring around people who are just here for a season or like don't have, you know, the best intentions like coming into a friendship. Anyways, I was just really impressed with the event. I, you know, like who am I to have an opinion

about these things? You know, I've been to so many bullshit events, whether it's sponsored by a company or a party of some kind, certainly fashion shows, this is more in the fashion space, but I've been to a lot of fashion shows and they're all kind of the same, people walk out and they show their fashion.

Yeah, I feel like when you think of a fashion show, I mean, you think of like sitting in rows, people standing in the back, a long runway and models walking up and down. And then the designer comes out and is like, thank you and turns around and goes back. Well, Macy and Madeline are so creative and like a mind boggling way that she is just,

they're not those types of people. So last year they did this really incredible, it was like a dinner and all these people kind of sat around a table and they had the models kind of like come through and walk around the table. Well then this year they rented out this like three story, incredible like event space. Apparently the woman who owns it lives there.

It was just perfectly curated and what century was that? Wasn't it like a Victorian theme? I mean her theme was vintage Victorian era, so I don't know if the house was technically Victorian, but maybe it was. I don't know, it was beautifully curated. Let me set the stage. So it was an experience.

You walk into this house and then it know, because every fashion show has models, but, like, there were some, like, famous models there, which was, you know, kind of, it was like, oh, wow, they're just so and so, and like, wow, oh, holy shit, you know. But anyways, you had all these brides, all these models dressed as brides, and basically, it looked like

they brought a dollhouse to life. So, you had all these brides in all of Sink's, like, various, like, beautiful dresses that she's designed and all the guests of the show basically walked in to this house and there was different levels and throughout the levels, all these brides slash models are like role playing and doing skits. So you basically were observing like these brides

like living their life and they kind of brought these dresses to life. It was really cool. It's just really, you had all these brides being brides and role playing in their gowns. It really was such a cool experience. For someone who has a hard time appreciating these things sometimes, it was very cool. Yeah, I think she called it the SYNC School for Ladies or something, so it was like cool. Yeah, I think she called it like the sink school for ladies or something.

So it was like these brides, these models were also acting in a sense of what they were like, you know, playing around the room. They had one who was like the teacher and she was teaching them to walk with like books on their heads and there was like an art teacher teaching them how to paint and they all were just kind of like floating around these rooms

and it was just really magical and really beautiful. And it was, yeah, it was really cool to be a part of that. And then we had a late dinner at an American bar, one of our favorites in New York, and it was so late that we were the only ones there. And it felt like I rented out the restaurant for my wife, but I did not. We were just by ourselves.

There were like 300 people there. Also, I do have a bit of a gripe, babe. Oh, we did fly coach for anyone asking. Absolutely. Well, I did buy the tickets. And so I was like, well, why would I put us in first class if like you don't ever want to put me in first class. Yeah, for sure. But it was a bit of a puddle jump flight.

And listen, like if you're going to like, I don't, Sierra, why do you fly first class? What? Because the comfort be when I get to where I'm going, I'm fully rested, I'm relaxed, I'm ready to go. So the leg room. She also got our bag check for free. I got bags for free. I only had to pay $100 and she just did it for me and I was like, okay. The perks are worth it.

Well, yeah. So that's, yeah, but you usually aren't saving money flying first class, but like there might be perks, but like, but to your point, yeah, I'm only flying first class for the legroom you know what I'm saying or for the the lay flat for the five hour flight if I can take a nap and wake up be well rested and good to go for the day listen if there is a lay flat option and you are lucky enough to afford that option flying first class is an incredible experience you know if you're if you're flying like from LA to York if you're lucky enough to experience that, I wasn't until I was 35.

But if you are lucky enough, it's a treat. But if you're flying three or four hours and the only difference is you get a shitty meal and some booze, what's the point? And it's like $500,000 more, yeah. Yeah, it's just like, just put me on Southwest and I'll pay 40 bucks to get on the flight first and sit in the front two rows.

Like what's, you're shaking your head. I just couldn't be me, but that's the thing, when I travel, I'm very particular about how I travel. So, and where I'm traveling, when I'm traveling, if I were like you guys being like on a whim, we're gonna go to New York, I'm like, okay, I'll take whatever I can get, but probably business.

Nick also didn't know until recently that if you have a baby with you, you can like board early. In general, period, or Southwest? Yeah, well, at least Southwest, I know that's a, I mean, I see it for Delta too. They like families. They make you feel like they like families.

I think you can pre-board with kids on Delta too. Yeah. Yeah. Delta Airlines has families with children to board early. But I think it's after, it's like, it's after priority. It's after our veterans. It's after first class. And it's after like, people who need special assistance. We're like sky priority on Delta

and we're still group four. It's like people with children, like you can, you can come in like right before zone eight, I guess. Yeah. Plan's half full, but sure, let's come on down, kids. Anyway, Natalie, we were in and outs. We packed light. We took one bag, we shared a bag.

And Natalie packed my bag. You have this habit of like, when you pack for me, you didn't pack underwear or socks. Like I'm not wearing underwear right now. We're home. But I haven't had time to change. I had it, we got home. But I haven't had time to change. I had it, we got home.

You definitely didn't have time to flush the toilet either. When? Well, when you got home. But I peed. Just to be clear, I only peed. I know, but you still had to flush it. So yeah, you definitely did not have time

to put on underwear because you didn't even have time to flush the toilet. Am I drinking enough water? Definitely not. I feel like it's your fault. Of course it is. Cause I didn't pack the underwear, I didn't pack the socks,

and I'm not shoving water down his throat. Oh, the ladies are disrespectfully are here. Bring the morning. I feel like this is very early for Katie. This is very early for me too. I am not a morning person. Are you an afternoon person, a night person? Afternoon and night.

Like I'll get up for something important, but I don't like to be up before nine. That's where I thrive. Nine o'clock. Okay. Nine o'clock. That's your sweet spot? I would say I'm lying,

and my sweet spot is probably closer to 10. You wake up and you scroll. What time does it have to be for you to feel like you slept in and you're kind of like a little have to be for you to feel like you slept in and you're kind of like a little disappointed in yourself? If it's noon, that's crazy, but I have sleeping problems. So like if I slept well, I know parents never relate to that. My niece, we were on the phone the other day and...

I haven't related that for ever since I was in high school. Well, when I had a corporate job, I had to, but I hated it. But here we are. Good morning, guys. Morning. Good morning. Katie, well, how about you? What time do I had to, but I hated it, but here we are. Good morning, guys. Morning. Good morning. Katie, well, how about you? What time do you have to wake up for you to feel a little disappointed in yourself?

I don't know, I haven't figured it out yet. I've been playing around with waking up at different times. Like today I got up way too early, but I feel like 7.30 or eight would be good time to like wake up. I don't want to talk to anyone like before noon or early. Are the dogs like jumping on your face? Like, take me out, take me out, take me out, or are they kind of snoozing too?

They're mostly with Tom, so I don't have them every morning, but oh no, they're loud and they're mean, and Gordo will come and scratch your face and... Oh my God. Sneeze at you. He does that... Shhh, shh.

Yeah, he swats at you. He paws on you when he wants something. What a rude awakening. He's not subtle at all. Well, we're excited to have you ladies with us today. We were just talking about our quick trip to New York and that's why we were talking about wake up times. Did you guys have River with you?

No, we didn't invite her. We didn't invite her, luckily my mom. She wasn't invited, okay so she stayed, she held things down. Yeah, she took care of the place. She took care of the dogs. She fed him. Got it, got it, got it, got it.

So she's really fast. So did you sleep in? She woke up at noon and she felt like she slept in. You know what I'm saying? She's well rested. She scrolled though. She scrolled for a while. Yeah, she has a TikTok addiction like me, I get it.

100%. She was on TikTok last night. Well, yesterday's episode, for anyone who hasn't listened to Ali Luber's episode on Going Deeper is out now. And boy, it is doozy. Did you ladies get a chance to hear some of her commentary episode on going deeper is out now and boy it is a doozy. Did you ladies get a chance to hear some of her commentary

on that episode? Saw a clip and then I read a transcript. I mean it was a lot. So I got the bulk of it mostly but there was a lot of. I mean the jaw dropping moment for me was her Lisa Vanderpump phone call. I guess so but also like, not surprising, you know? Like it is, no, it is shocking because it's like, wow,

like she really said that, but also like, I fully believe that. No, I fully believe it too, but like I definitely see what you're saying, Katie. Like it's shockingly not shocking, but like when you hear her tell that story, first she's like, she got a call two months later. So it's like, you're not calling out of consideration,

even though you're pretending to give a shit. Like you clearly have a motive for your call. And to find out that motive was to first blame Allie as part of like James' actions and making her feel like her drinking was part of the reason why James was drinking. And then try to convince her to get back together with the guy, given everything that's out there

is just wild behavior. Yeah, I mean, it's like when Tom and I were divorcing, like she made me feel like I wasn't justified or valid in my reasons or anything like that. And then also, you know, kind of made it about her because she's like, I wrote those vows. And I'm like, okay. You know, it's like the constantly wanting

to be acknowledged for the generous things that she's done in life, but like often and unwavering. It's difficult because it's like that, no one's ungrateful, but like Jesus. Has Lisa ever thanked you or the cast for like pouring your hearts out and like sharing your lives for her benefit? I mean, I feel like we see on the reunion,

she's been like, these guys give it their all, but it's still like, we should be just great. You know, it's like just always grateful for the opportunity more so than what we brought to it. That's the vibe I get. I'm not saying that's exactly what she said, but that's definitely the vibe I've always gotten. Like since Ariana and I opened up something about her,

I haven't heard a peep from her. No like congrats, no nothing. And I wasn't expecting it and I didn't need it, but like, yeah. So when she wanted to be upset, I also saw that she was upset that certain people didn't reach out when the news of the show came out. I was like, I didn't hear from you either.

I know that you were asking Alex Baskin what all of us were thinking and saying on our phone calls with him, but she didn't wanna pick up the phone. We're rewatching Vanderpump right now for plus. And I wonder, did you feel either looking back that she very much favors the men on the show and it seems like it was even just handing Tom a bar when he couldn't do like a bar shift like it's like you've

been working there consistently Ariana was like a top bartender but it just seems like she very much like favors the men on the show and like the women are kind of like well either deal with them because they're adorable or like I don't deal with you I think there is that sort of favoritism that is given more freely and openly to the men. I mean, she was, there was times where I was very close with her and she was, you know, she would look out, she would call, she would check in and same with Ariana.

But it's like, I think the major divide that happened with everybody was like, you know, the post-cannibal stuff and she really just wanted to look out for him and just kind of disregarded how that would make other people feel. Or what the message it would send to everybody else too. After hearing Ali's story, you realize just how close James and Lisa are.

And it can't help make me wonder, literally that night that James got arrested, again I was talking with James at Kathy Hilton's party and congratulating him on all his success and seemingly looking like one of the few, you know, especially guys who really like found a groove post show and his DJ career. And now I really can't help but wonder, is it really because of James or has Lisa really been like pulling strings and calling in favors?

I mean, if she's so willing to pick up the phone two months later and call his ex-girlfriend and try to make her feel bad and get her to get back together with James for the sake of helping his career, like what else has she been willing to do to make this guy happen that maybe he wouldn't otherwise make happen

without Lisa's support? Because it really seems like, it's almost like a mother-son, like we're like, it really doesn't matter what James does. She will always go out of her way to make excuses for him, have his back and try to cover up for his mistakes and make sure he still has a career and still works. Like, I don't know what thoughts Katie, Dana,

what do you think? I mean, I don't know how much pull she has at like, Tao group in Vegas. So I don't know that she, you know, he was getting booked with DJ things and whatever. I think that that played out on the show, so he was able to leverage it. But yeah, do I think that where she could help, she would,

and that it's upsetting that, especially in, when we're talking about substance abuse issues, when someone makes it someone else's responsibility, like you're a stabilizing factor, so you need to be there, you need to be in a relationship. That's a crazy take, and I feel like we've seen that kind of play out. But yeah, I don't know.

Katie, what do you think? I think Lisa understands that she's had a lot of influence with fans and viewers of the show, even like Housewives, like she was very well liked and popular in her takes and her opinions of people. Like people, it mattered to people. And like, they would kind of be like,

well, if it's good enough for Lisa, it should be good for the rest of us. So I think that kind of played into like a lot of the, the way people viewed certain other people on the show. And especially when it comes to James, she's like, if I can just go to bat for James, people will maybe think that I should as well, or you know, that they should trust him more.

Or like he's not that bad of a guy. Like if I support him, he can't be that bad. He just must be misunderstood or like something like that. It gets to a point where it's like, okay, for sure, if the one things are like a little bit in the gray, but with something like this, that's pretty cut and dry, that you should read the room, I guess, I don't know. Well, check out the episode if you haven't already. It's a little heavy, but

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And use code viall. Another thing I wanted to talk with you ladies about is some of the feuds going on in Bachelor Nation. I don't know if it's a feud that's going on, but Rachel Lindsay is shedding more light about her divorce and feelings about her ex-husband Brian, which I'm totally team Rachel for. And then there's other like commentary and patronation

about like some people like having problems, you know, it's like who should pay for what in relationships seems to be like a discussion point. Have you followed Rachel Lindsay's divorce at all? I haven't, cause I mean, that was a while ago, right? I love Rachel, I think she's smart and I think she's great, but I don't know the T. I mean, well, the T is he got awarded

a half a million dollars or some shit, I don't know. To me, honestly, it feels like he stole money from Rachel. What did he do? He did nothing but have the opportunity to be in a relationship with Rachel. Like he had to move, he moved. Like the guy who went on TV got to move to Hollywood and apparently that cost Rachel a half a million dollars.

I thought he was like a doctor or something. He's a chiropractor. Yeah, he's a chiropractor, but yeah, but like, you know. Like while married with her. He had to move to Beverly Hills. I can only guess that this probably only elevated his practice and people wanted to get cracked by Rachel and his husband.

It was given a literal lottery ticket. Like, you know, when you go on reality TV, I look at it as essentially a lottery ticket. It's a lottery ticket with really good odds, right? Like it's not a guarantee of fame and money, but what it is is a guarantee of access. Like it puts you in so many rooms you don't otherwise get to go in,

it gets you in meetings, it just gives you so much opportunity, and from that point it's kind of up to you to make sure that lottery ticket cashes. And some people get to do it and some people don't. Like, and Brian basically got it done by basically marrying Rachel and then divorcing her and stealing her money.

Wait, how long were they married for? A while, they were in a relationship. And I get it, divorce laws or whatever. A few years I think. But when you look at the details, it just seems wrong. Just seems... They got married in 2019.

Four years. Oh, okay. No kids, no shared responsibilities, just she was just more successful than him and apparently that cost her. But not only like more successful, she said that in my situation, my ex did not move three times for me.

I want to say this one time, my ex did not move three times for me. We moved to Dallas because he quit his job as soon as he won the show and I did not. So that was the only option because I was still employed. They later moved to Miami and she said, leaving behind her legal job in Dallas for no job in Miami, nobody considers that.

So he never was like fully practicing throughout their relationship or throughout their marriage. So she was literally the sole breadwinner and the supporter. And now she has to pay him $500,000 for what? Crazy. Bonkers. It's- Eww.

Right? For spousal support. It's only okay for women. People are nuts. I don't know, I got divorced. Me and Tom were just like, I don't want anything of yours. Like you have yours, I'll have mine. It just, we were, I mean, we were pretty equal in things,

but like still, like just, I don't know. Like if it feels yucky to do that, if you have kids, I guess that's one thing. Yeah. Right? If you have kids, I guess that's one thing. Yeah, right? If you have kids, it makes sense that like there's other factors at play and people to take care about when it's just two individuals, two working professionals who decided to get married and like have a union

about their love, like why does someone get to financially benefit from it? From it not working out. And what's even like grosser about it is the fact that like once he got that settlement, she was ordered to pay the first half within 10 days of the filing. And then she has until January 7th, 2026

to pay the remaining half. So she owes him like $500,000, like straight up, essentially, where it's like, for what? But we also have Clayton and Gabby kind of going back and forth. Oh my God. Which I guess she went after him saying, he looks like a toe and his dancing videos will make you run. And he responded by calling her a bully and right?

Am I recapping this right, Sierra? He said he was being bullied, that he's being bullied by Gabby. She responded with like, you literally outed my sexual activities on national television for millions of people to hear without my consent. It's like, okay.

And then he responds by posting their DMs. He's posting DMs? He posts their DMs from 2022 and 2023. Are they out there? Where he's like, it's basically him just being like, you are coming after someone he's like, it's basically him just being like, you are coming after someone who has like over and over

again, apologized for their actions. And like, so you're just doing this to be vengeful. But like the posting of the text. Yeah, he could have just said that without posting it. Yeah. He's like such a little, and his, I'm sorry, his dancing videos are the cringiest things I've ever seen.

So he should be put on blast for that. Don't do that. Stop doing that. This man has had maybe the worst experience on reality TV, period. Like I have some empathy for Clayton. I mean, are you familiar with his story at all? No.

The guy hasn't had one W yet. Not one. Maybe you have to start being like, what's the common denominator? Him. No, some of it is truly bad luck. Okay, okay. Give me an example.

Well, one, he answered a DM from a random person for a late night hookup, which definitely you can criticize a little sloppiness, but he's not the first person out there who got a little horny at night and said yes to an experience. And that turned into at least a year or two. Of her claiming she was pregnant with twins.

Pregnant with twins or something, and it became like this natural story, and it ended up being all false. And then this followed, what first happened post-Bachelor, is some, following his season, he's still together with Suzy at this followed, what first happened post-Bachelor is some, following a season, he's still together with Suzy at this point, and some girl online posted TikTok that went ultra viral,

like got 40 million, I don't know, millions and millions and millions of views of her claiming that she had a one night stand with Clayton, the Bachelor. Like last night. Like last night, she's like, I just hooked up with this guy and like swore by it.

Turns out they weren't even, he wasn't even that state. Like it wasn't him. It was just like, she just, I don't know. I don't know if the guy lied or thought he looked like her or whatever. Like just, he had literally nothing to do with that. And then, you know, she ended up posting like an apology video. That is bad luck.

That like, that got like a million views to the 40 million views or something like that. That's just, that's just bad luck. Okay, that is bad luck, but him answering the DM, engaging in this activity, that is fully on him. That's fully on him because he had a one night stand

with someone and they didn't even have sex? There's crazy people out there. I don't know. It didn't even have sex. She literally just- You gotta remember if you got something to lose because there are people that are gonna chase you to the end of the world for clouds.

I'm not saying. Wait, they didn't even have sex? Then how could she say that she was pregnant by- Exactly. Exactly. Allegedly had traveled down and- She said- On the toilet seat.

It was a crazy story, but like she, and this person apparently had a history of doing this with moths. That's a really strong sperm. She was showing him like ultrasounds that were all fake It's an easy story, but this person apparently had a history of doing this with most firms. That's a really strong sperm. She was showing him like ultrasounds that were all fake and she was going the extra mile to prove it to him. I think this is a failure of the public school system,

if anything, because he didn't know that you have to actually be penetrated for there to be population. He thought, there's no way it's mine, but if you're a guy and you hook up with someone and they give you oral sex and you climax, and then that person claims they're pregnant, yeah, you're probably gonna think there's no way that's true, but then this person sends you an ultrasound

and sends you a doctor's bill, a positive pregnancy test, you start getting in your head, and he did, and he fought it. Did she have a baby? Was she actually pregnant? No, it was all bullshit. Oh, so all of it, it wasn't even pregnant by someone else? This took over a year to prove.

This was a nightmare scenario for him. Wow. It is fucked up, but that's why you gotta be careful. And on top of it, when that story came out, it got press. And then when he finally vindicated himself, it got a lot less press. Truly, this man has been the unluckiest person in reality TV.

And I know he's an easy target, and I get his dance videos or whatever, but this man deserves some empathy. Yeah, but I'm also kind of like Gabby's having her moment. Those clips are recirculating from The Bachelor. She's being asked about it, so she's commenting on it. I'm like, she could have said way worse things than he looks like a toe and that his dance videos are cringe.

And was it maybe rude? Maybe. Was it maybe true? Did he need to respond to it? No. Is it impossible to think that maybe she could just say, my bad, I'm like, my bad, I'm sorry your feelings were hurt.

But also grow up. Why do men always need to be coddled and handheld through life, have empathy for them? He's a white man, he's gonna be okay. A straight white man is gonna be just fine. All right, yeah, okay. I'm just saying, like listen. For sure, yeah.

You got Tom Sandoval back on your couch crying, like who cares? No one asked for that. A lot of people ask for it actually. Okay, I know, I'm just saying. To Katie's point, it is giving Saxon from White Lotus. Yeah, it totally is. When do you cross the line of just growing up yourself?

Just grow up. I didn't, you know, I don't know. I don't know, I do. Just because he is a man and is white. I don't think it's like. This isn't misandry. This is facts. This is the fucking patriarch.

He's been like this for years. So the straight white men win. Even if they have bad luck, he's still gonna win. So no matter what, across the board. So let Gabby talk a little shit. No matter the situation or the story, there is no empathy whatsoever. And we're always just not gonna take that side?

I feel like personally Gabby could've maybe not, I mean like she has moved on, she is married to a woman and like that was how many years ago. It's like if she is asked about it, I feel like she didn't have to go so low. You know, I feel like she had her time after the show where she like was able to put him on blast and it has been four years.

This is a man who legitimately has had some incredibly dark thoughts and has been really down bad in some very serious ways. And while other people are basking in their fame and success and money. They're tearing other people down. And just living the best possible life. He is out there like trying to make a real estate job work

and just trying to find meaning in life and trying to find happiness with his silly dance videos. And I'm just saying like, you know. And he's doing just that. No one's taking that from him. He can do whatever he wants. We didn't even talk about, you literally said he deserves to be criticized for his dance videos.

Well, yeah, you're gonna put that on the internet. That's what happened. I mean, yeah. I'm not saying they deserve it, I'm just saying they are cringe. Yeah, listen. I can have an opinion that they're cringey. Yes, his videos are, you know,

but I'm just saying, like, I don't think, like, I don't think the response to Clayton Eckhart is always needs to be, fuck that guy, because of something that happened a couple years ago. And oh yeah, by the way, he's a dude, so extra fuck him. And like no matter what is said about him or what is done, I don't think he like is an eternal punching bag for people. Well, no, I'm not saying that he should be,

I'm just, but I'm just saying like he's gonna be. That is the discourse around Clayton, to be honest. Like that's, it's really fucked up that that happened, but be a little more cautious of who you. Yeah, for sure. I don't know. Listen, I'm someone, I keep my circle extremely small because I don't want to have to cross paths

with somebody who's like that. Listen, yeah, I mean, I've literally had conversations with Clayton about making smarter and better decisions. He's had to learn in the hardest possible way, right? Yeah, so it's I don't know It's like I can have empathy for somebody who made stupid choice, but it's like I can't I don't know Well switching gears a little bit We do have Shantae and Breon from temptation island who did finally announce their breakup. Oh, wow Didn't see that coming.

No, not at all. The threesome thing didn't do it. Did you ladies watch Temptation Island? Oh yeah, I watched Temptation Island. I loved it, I ate it up. Yeah, so good. I'm bad with the names. Which ones are, because I,

the one couple that made it at the end, what were their names? Alexa and Lino. Yeah, Alexa and Lino. Okay, so you're not talking about them. No. Shantae and Breanne did. Leave together.

They did leave together. And he had had like a threesome. She cried the whole time. It was so sad. I felt so bad. You heard the subtitles, rhythmic slapping. Ugh. With the shower running.

The way that that makes my skin crawl, I don't usually watch shows like that just because my threshold is so, I have to like fast forward because I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. That was, those were upsetting subtitles. That was hard to watch. And then watching him get so emotional

about his choices after when it was like, well, you did that, that's fine, go have a threesome, but don't be upset when your partner's upset about that. But I got it out of my system, so let's just carry on. Like, insane, insane. Insane, insane. Do we think this is a legitimate breakup because her state, what was her statement? Her statement says,

after much thought and reflection, Breon and I have decided to part ways for now. There's no bad blood, just two people recognizing that we need time and space to process this journey. I have so much I wanna share with you all and I hope you'll continue to support and encourage me as I step into this next chapter.

I wish Breon nothing but the best, but I hope we're both able to grow from this experience. As I move forward, I'm excited to share more of myself with you all, let's keep pushing forward together. Okay, well it's interesting, I mean, I would love to find out more. You know, when we did the reunion, we were gonna have Shantae on.

I'm curious, like, it does seem to be circled around, like, maybe fan feedback or people's opinions about her choice to stay with him. Certainly must have had some pressure. It would seem like a huge coincidence that something else caused this breakup around this time. I don't know. He had another threesome. Yes, of course.

Yeah, there was more rhythmic slapping happening for sure. That one happened in the real world though, because this was just Temptation Island. That one didn't count. Right, it was more rhythmic slapping happening for sure. That one happened in the real world, though, because this is just Temptation Island. That one didn't count. It was different. Yeah. What was crazy is that she said that, like, she couldn't hear the rhythmic slapping when she watched it at the bonfire. And there obviously wasn't subtitles.

And so she was like, I didn't know that that's what was playing until she, like, watched it back, which is rough. She just thought they were talking in the bathroom and like coming out with no pants on. Awful, awful, awful. I mean, I think that there's still pretty good audio. So maybe she just was in the moment. From that rhythmic slapping, he opens the door

and the girls butt ass take it behind him. And also it's daytime. So that was, even though, I mean, I guess it might be different when you're at the bonfire you're in the middle of it, but even before they walked out and they're like, oh, it's daytime. So that was even though I mean, I guess it might be different when you're at the bonfire, you're in the middle of it. But even before they walked out and they're like, Oh, it's daytime. I noticed I was like, Wow, that was maybe the longest threesome that's ever happened in the history of the world. Because it seemed like it started at night. So birds were chirping. Yeah. But I'm excited to see what Shantae is going to do next. I think the discourse online is kind of like, is she actually breaking up with him, or is this kind of seeing the other girls

doing social media and thriving and whatnot, like that the audience will support her for leaving him, but like, is she actually leaving him, or is it for the opportunities? I don't know, I just feel she's just, I feel so bad for her, like that experience is so rough. Just the difference in their experiences too, like she's like crying, he's just like getting off. Yeah. The experience is so rough. Just the difference in their experiences too.

She's crying, he's just getting off. He gave zero fucks. I wonder if they sat down and watched the whole thing together. Yeah, so it's just, I don't know. I think she's obviously very sensitive to a lot of public opinions and things. So I don't know if that's the best place for her.

I know it's definitely not for everybody and I just think maybe. I mean, from looking at her page, it looks like there might be some influencing in her future. Oh, okay. Why do you say that? Which I'm like, by all means.

Just like photo shoots and things like that where I'm just like, okay. I mean, I don't remember what her occupation was or she's a Pilates instructor. I mean, like I told Taylor, they all went on TV. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's they take advantage of the opportunities

as they come, especially after that. I always find it funny when either other cast members or fans be like, you know what, I think she wants to be an influencer. It's like, no fucking shit, she went on TV. Yeah. I mean, I think, but everyone, even when it comes to reality,

people can look and be like, wow, that's like a really good opportunity. I'd love to do that until you're doing it and you're like, oh no, this is like hard. Yeah. I think, of course, everybody would want to do it if they could, but it's just, it's not as easy as it looks. I'm sure when she signed up for the show,

she wasn't like, my partner's gonna have a threesome. Right, yeah. Also like leaving it with like, what did she gain from that experience? Maybe she learned something about herself, I would hope, but you didn't get stronger or closer with your partner. He, you had to watch him have a threesome, and then y'all clearly couldn't.

I think that's what she gained in and of itself. She didn't marry this person in five years down the road, find out, you know what I mean? I think that rooting for her. She gave her life. I wanna hear whatever phone call she had with whatever family member or friend who was like, girl, rhythmic snapping.

I wanna hear what that phone call was like with that whoever that person in her life is, that's kind of like the friend who is giving her some honest feedback. I wanna know what was said. Like I really wanna hear that phone call. Cause someone must have said something. They had to have.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Everyone that she, I'm sure that she was close with was like, what are you gonna do? You're gonna stick this out and then show your kids one day. See, this is where daddy goes in the bathroom here and like, no.

Well, fast forward. You gotta lay that relationship down. Or like your parents or like family seeing that and trying to justify it. It was the experience. I can't wait for River to watch all of Nick's shows back. Honey, that's not you. I can't wait, I'm very excited.

Did y'all watch Beverly Hills Housewives Part Two reunion? I know. I've only watched the first one. Oh, well the second one, I was really into the second one, really, really good. Like Jennifer Tilly came on, and obviously gave a little background about her story, her wealth, her money, and it made me think just like, it's like as a fan, I'm grateful that Jennifer Tilly

is one of the rich ones in that group. And that really made me grateful that, honestly, that Dorit isn't. Because I feel like some people act differently when they have money than others, you know? And Jennifer just seems like a breath of fresh air. She still seems like a delightful queen. Yeah, you know, she buys some crazy shit. I don't know how generous she is or isn't with her money,

but like she just, she is nice. She seems nice, I don't know. And like, man,'t with her money, but she is nice. She seems nice, I don't know. And man, as a fan, as a viewer, Dorit's savage. I mean, everyone's saying, I didn't watch the first Dorit season of Beverly Hills, and everyone's saying this is the Dorit from season one. And she cuts deep.

She knows how to trigger people. She hits where it hurts. And I'm kind of glad that she is like not rolling in the dough because I feel like she would be an absolute monster if she had unlimited wealth like Jennifer Tilly. Yeah, I also feel like sometimes Dorit, if she would just like stop, like if she would just say her point and then stop talking,

it would go over well. But I feel like she always adds so much like flair It's all and she could it you get lost. Oh when she was like there She is like what else I saw clips like you live on the main road. Yeah Like an insane Line and then she's like she keeps going like, and my life is full of love. Like meanwhile, you're going through a divorce. And she's like, I just have so much love surrounding me. And like, that's what I would rather have over a month.

It's like, just stay with your statement of you live on a main road. Yeah, that was a, that was a mic drop. Drop the mic and stop talking. She has so much love in her relationship that PK dropped an absolute heater on Instagram last night. You haven't seen this? No.

Justin? Right after the reunion part two, he just posted on his Instagram story, a picture of him either exiting a door or walking in, and it says, it's better to admit you walked through the wrong door than to spend your life in the wrong room. What room is he talking about?

I'm assuming with Doreen. Doreen. But. I cannot do these Pinterest quotes. Yeah, obviously, I mean, I was kind of surprised by he talking about? I'm assuming with three. To read. But. I cannot do these Pinterest quotes. I was kind of surprised by her feedback in the season when he was asked like, well, he's a good father and she said no, because his statement in the first one, like I think that that's a really hard line as a parent

if you're going to say on national television where your children will have access to that no, even if that's how you feel, that's a really bold thing I think to put out there. So I guess I understand why he's like, fuck you. But I mean, I feel for Dorit right now. I think that how she's acting is a reflection of her turmoil in her life right now. And I don't think that's right or wrong,

just saying it seems like she's going through it. No, I mean, I'm such a fan of Dorit as a housewife. I find her to be one of the most entertaining ones. She seems like she has a real mean side to her, like if you really fuck with her. And I mean- Well, I just think it's hard to say the main road thing when you live in Encino, and now what's going, is there a foreclosure

actually happening? It seems like that- She addressed it. She was like, PK wasn't paying his payments because he wanted to confirm it was going through the right process and then. Well she addressed it with word salad, I saw that. That kind of to me sounds like some mental gymnastics and you're being lied to or you're as blind

as you want to be. I mean I'm not a house person, I'm not a contractor or mortgage person but it just didn't sound right to me. No you were 100% correct because it was also like, no, this is what happened. This is the turmoil. This is the turmoil. But don't worry, PK got it handled. And it's just like, but how? Because that's because someone called him finally. Like, what do you mean if I would be all over that?

If someone if my house was possibly going to be in foreclosure, it's not just how you don't do business. I think it was Bose who was like, that's how you lose a house. Exactly. Even her main road comment. And he was like, so she lives off a main road in Bel Air? Like that was your point? One of the most exclusive areas. I think she's-

And wait, she said that to Sutton, right? Yeah. Yeah. Sutton has money. She has quite the alimony little setup. So like what? Yeah, like what is it? 300K a month post taxes?

A month. After taxes. After taxes, yeah. After taxes, so I'm like, I think she's fine. It's because Doree's just trying to poke at Sutton. In the second part, you'll see it. She keeps throwing jobs, and then she's like, this isn't the real Sutton that I know.

And then finally Sutton kind of entertains it, and she goes, she's coming. And says it into the mic, and it's like. You're right, Dana, though. Also, PK does kind of sound like a bad father. I mean, if he's only seeing his kids on Saturday nights. When he's in town. When he's in town. That is a choice, but to your point, Dana,

like, that is a nuclear statement to say about any parent. Short of them being in prison for maybe harming your children, like, to have your partner or ex-partner say that publicly to other people, that's going nuclear. That's like, there's no going back from that. You know what I'm saying? Like that's an unforgivable statement

to say that to someone, even if most people actually think that. Like to say that and then still act as if, like she said that in the same episode while also claiming that PK was her heart and soul, which was like, hmm, I didn't really understand. Well, yeah, and also, I mean, my stomach dropped when that happened, but I also just don't think

it's conducive to controlling emotions then after something like that is out there from the partner that you say that about. So it's just such an escalating thing to say that it's like, when she's like, I don't wanna stay in it at least how it is right now. Well, it's like, well, yeah, I can't imagine it's great right now.

And I'm not blaming, because maybe he's doing things to her or whatever, but that is separate from the kids and who he is as a dad. And I'm also, Nick, I agree. I don't think she's maybe wrong, but like you put that out there for public consumption. Like that's a definitive statement. Yeah, that's brutal.

And I think to sum up what we're saying about Dorit is that she says things that cut so fucking deep and it's like, I don't think she's saying it with the intention of ruining a relationship. You know what I'm saying? Like she has this ability to just throw something to someone that may never be okay to come back from, but she is using it in a casual fight.

It just seems kinda crazy. I'm very invested in the Garcelle exit because the more we hear about it, it really seems like there's some very deep hurt feelings. And the fact that Garcelle's not being messy about it makes me feel like she has some really justifiable reasons to feel however she does. It's the opposite of Kenya Moore,

who's just running her, are you following the Atlanta Housewives? We actually, today, our episode with Humblebrag came out and we talked with Cynthia about it actually today, our episode with Humblebrag came out and we talked with Cynthia about it. Oh. Yeah, what happened with Kenya. No, she's close with Kenya.

We had her on briefly in the beginning of the season. How is Cynthia, how much is she backing Kenya at all, if any? I don't think she backs that. I think she's not condemning her as a friend, but she does not support those actions. And she's like, I said something to her at that event. I think she's being a good friend and that she's holding her accountable.

And she's saying, I love you. Our friendship is something very different from this behavior, this behavior wasn't okay. I said it to you in the moment. I'm, you know, it sounds like they haven't really talked since and she's saying like, I'm here. Our friendship is here when you're ready, but yeah, I can't back that, what you did.

Which is honestly a great friend of Cynthia. A great friend, that's what, yeah, that's what he said. It was like that's being a good friend to her. But yeah, you know, your friends really do something bad. You don't have, you stand by them and like hold them accountable as opposed to alienating them. But nevertheless, I am a bit shocked

and maybe this is like Bravo Nation in general, like trying to almost justify her actions. Certainly Kenya is trying to justify it. I think she literally said in a statement that if Kim K's video that launched her career, so to speak, it's out there, it's public, I guess anyone, I don't know, maybe you can still find it. I don't know, maybe Chris made that less possible.

But she just is like, well, anyone can download it or anyone can Google it, so it's like fair game. And it's like, wait, you still used your event to print out poster board size images of this girl in sexual acts around her peers. And so, yeah, like, I don't know. That's like, if we've ever made a mistake, that would be like Katie,

if Katie pisses someone off, a friend. And this would be like 10 times less worse, but brought out one moment from Vanderpump season three or something at an event and put it on a poster board and said, she did this and she did that. And this is pornographic material. Even if Brit wanted to, whatever Brit wanted to do, she had the right to do it and have it weaponized

against her at this event. And the fact that Kenya is trying to stand on this and justify it because anyone can Google it is insane to me. No, that is actual crazy work. Well, right before you said that, I was gonna bring up, it's a different thing when you do a reality show, you sign the papers, your clothes are on, okay?

So yeah, people can pull from that, but it's a very different thing to be in an intimate act, particularly if you didn't put that out there, wanting to make money off it or whatever, or be a content creator to then grab that and say, well, it's out there. Okay, well, it's out there, but it's not out there in the same way

as doing a reality show or an old Instagram post where you over-filtered your face or whatever. Like that is, she knew exactly what she was doing. It was super dark and is gross. Like it's not like Brit posted that on her own and then was like, oh, I took it. That's what I'm saying. Like you're saying Dana, like, yeah,

I took it from her Instagram. It's like, you think Brit wanted that out in the first place? Well, if an OnlyFans model someday decides to not wanna do OnlyFans again, and 10 or 15 years go by, and she settles down, gets married and have kids, and then makes friends with a group of girls, like it would be completely fucked up

if one of those women tried to slut shame her and her group of friends by downloading that content and like doing, I mean like, and the fact that Kenya is now like going after Andy and going after Bravo and like, I don't know, when it comes to that I just feel like the networks, sure, their networks are trying to make money, they're making TV shows,

like I think they're just such an easy target for a bunch of people who truly wanted to reap all the benefits from the fame and attention and platform that these networks give them. It's just so low brow of her. And to even be trying to back it up still or by placing blame on others. I don't know if you do something that egregious,

not even your friends holding you accountable, you holding yourself accountable. She didn do something that egregious, not even your friends holding you accountable, you holding yourself accountable. She didn't watch that back and go, ooh, that was such a bad choice I made. Right? Right. It was crazy. Before we let you ladies go,

I just wanna wrap talking a little White Lotus. Mike White, the creator, director, producer of White Lotus, went on Howard Stern and just talked about, I thought it was really fascinating because Mike was talking about how before White Lotus became super famous, he was more like an indie writer and felt like

he got support from people just trying to lift him up and now that his show's this big, awesome show, and now that we're in season three, and I kinda said as much last episode, once a show gets popular, people just decide that it's fair game to be asshole critics and just nitpick all these scenes apart. And we went from a show that we were like,

wow, this is really fun and culturally relevant. And we're in the middle of season three and people discussing if this scene made sense, if it tied in with this scene, and if this character should be doing this. And it's like, Jesus fucking Christ, people. Like, the amount of people who have notes for Mike White on his writing and directing and producing,

who like can't even get a fucking general meeting or like any type of script is like beyond me. And it says, I love that he's fighting back. I love that he's a little sassy and I love that he's, he called that the composer guy he was in a feud with. He was basically like, good luck getting work going forward. Because this composer guy decided to pick a fight in the press, Mike didn't even know about it.

He did an interview with the New York Times and started talking about his quote unquote feud with Mike White. And they basically went back and forth on some emails about some creative differences. And according to this producer, was feuding with Mike White. And it's just so transparent to me

the amount of people who are just trying to use his name to elevate themselves all while talking shit is wild to me. Anyway, I'm just like, I don't know, I love the show. I thought season three was fantastic and if it was just, you know, the fact that people just wanna be fucking critics for the sake of it. Well, yeah, and I think I show like that you do watch and you critique it not not more in the sense of

whether it was a good scene or not, but because they're looking for clues. They're watching it with a very different lens on it, but people are talking about it being a bad season or boring or something like that, and Mike White says something about the edging. He's like, I'm edging you. He's like, if you don't like it, get out of my bed.

That was so funny. But he talked about how it kind of hurt his feelings and it made me like feel for him. He's human, yeah. Where he's just like curious, people are just shitting on his work. Meanwhile, they're breaking records, we're all watching it,

everyone's talking about it this week. And it's just like, okay, yeah, yeah. Like give Mike white notes for sure. In every industry, people, fans, whatever, they'll build you up just to break you down. That's so true. Like you see it happen over and over and over again. So it's like, it's a bummer.

It's like we want, yeah, we want people to get famous just to like find something from their past or present to like cancel them with, you know? Yeah. Who are, from the cast, the characters on White Lotus, who are your true villains of this season? Like for me, it's the therapist who turned down Rick. Villain number one.

One of them. Yeah, true, true, true, true. Rick's dad, honestly dude, you deserve to die for talking about yourself in the third person so cryptically. It's like, just take. Yeah, he could have told him at breakfast. It's like, hey yeah, I'm your asshole dad, sorry. Your mom sucked,, I'm your asshole dad. Sorry, you know, like your mom sucked,

but I am your asshole dad. I love those memes that it shows that and it's like the end. That's gonna have been the whole thing. Just like, I'm your dad, bye. You know who's a bit of a villain? I mean, just, I didn't appreciate her throughout it too, it was Mooc.

I was like, what? She gaslit Guy Talk. Guy Talk is doing the best he can. Like this is morally against him to like try to be this like badass guy that's gonna like carry a gun and all that. But he's doing it all in name of love. And she's dangling it like a care in front of him.

Like you're back. And what was her excuse why she couldn't like go on a date with him? Sorry, my mom's back hurts. I have to like help her around the house. That was the most like, I have to watch paint dry response. I have to wash my hair. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, the thing is. You don't tell people your mom's back hurts. I'm like, yeah, that's why I can't go out with you. I can't remember his name, but the dad of the family. Timothy Ratliff? Whoever Patrick Sorgenaser's dad is. Ratliff. Sorry, you're the villain.

You were gonna kill your whole family and then leave the youngest one. Imagine waking up in your entire, you're the youngest, you're a kid, you're 20, whatever. Oh, I don't care, that doesn't make it okay to murder your whole family, you're like murder, suicide. I'm like, that was so, I could not,

and also, I don't wanna victim blame, but yeah, the leftover pina colada from last night, you're making a protein shake with that is one of the easier things. I did hear his excuse, and his excuse was, his brother, he thought his brother brother Saxton made a protein shake moments earlier so he just thought this was leftover protein from the protein shake and I was like, you know what?

That makes sense. But no, it's fucked up that the dad didn't like, oh my god, I have to get this suicide poison seeds out of this blender, I have to get it out of this house. The man is drugged up on lepra, lepra, lepraz, what is it called? seeds out of this blender. Like I have to get it out of this house. The man is drugged up on lepras, lepras, leprastine? What is it called? Lezapam.

Lezapam. She know me. Lezapam. Lezapam. Where's my lezapam? Piper now! That viral, like now that, there's like this viral song going on

of all the comments from. But finding the stuff that was cut, I was like, I would have really liked to see that cause I wanted more like a Piper. And like her story, cause like when she comes back, I was like, I would have really liked to see that because I wanted more like a piper and like her story because like when she comes back and she's like, I'm just not going to stay like this isn't for me. And I'm like, what else happened? Yeah.

Well, she bones what's... Zion. Natasha Rothwell's son. Yeah. And that got cut. And I was like, we would have liked to see that. I would have liked to see that because I'm a perv. Wouldn't that be kind of random though?

Because they didn't interact with each other the whole season. Well, I think he said that it was gonna be, they locked eyes from across the restaurant and she was like, I just need to pick someone. So I need to lose my virginity. It makes sense. I love it, it's like, become a monk, lose my virginity. I was seeing people saying that like,

as soon as other people were interested in doing what Piper wanted to do, like Lachlan being like, oh, I think I'll stay too. She was like, fuck this, I don't wanna do this anymore. If I'm not the only one, I don't wanna do it. Yeah, it's no longer cool or like, you know. I feel like my villain was definitely Valentin's friend, the one who had sex with Lori, Carrie Coon.

Or he was like, do you have PayPal? Zell PayPal? And then his girlfriend pops it and slaps her as she's jumping out the window. That was nuts. That was nuts. People are saying the USA Olympic team should hire Lori because there's like the scene of when Rick first

shoots the dot, she's literally sprinting off. I don't know if you've seen the clip. Yeah, so good. I love her. Yeah. All right, ladies. Well, I appreciate you coming on. Always fun chatting with you.

You'll have to do it again. Obviously you guys, Des respectfully is out and available. Be sure to check it out. Let us know. You have Cynthia and Crystal on your latest episode. Latest episode and then our Friday episode this week is our 100th episode. Oh my God, congratulations.

I'm so excited about that. That's so exciting. That's quite an accomplishment. I mean, I knew you guys would get to a thousand. That's so exciting. That's quite an accomplishment. I mean, I knew you guys would get to a thousand, but like, you know, the average podcast hits eight episodes. Wow. Okay, look at us. Actually, that number might be lower now,

but like what I remember when I started, I was told like most podcasts don't get past eight. So a hundred is an incredible accomplishment. So congratulations to you ladies. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you guys for having us on. Thank you.

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["Vial Files"] Jordan, welcome to the Vial Files. I appreciate it, thank you all. Excited. Really, really excited to have you on. We're big fans, obviously, of your music. And I think you might know this, but it was your song that we selected when we did like the

gender reveal for our daughter. Oh, no way. It was really next thing you know, was I think like really a song and I think for a lot of families and people who are starting that journey in their lives to like listen to and hold on to, cause it was just so relatable and it was just like, so yeah, I think early in my pregnancy, like whenever we found out that was a song that we, every time we got in the car, we put it on. That is awesome. Thank you all very much. That one, I mean, truly one of my favorite songs I've ever written. And it's, it was, that was one of the coolest things about that song was being

able to see the videos and seeing people connect with it. I mean, as a songwriter, there's nothing better in the world. So I appreciate y'all using that. How long ago did you write that song? At least three years ago now. You know, and it was cool. We came in, I wrote that with Chase McGill, Josh Osborne and Graylin James.

You know, it's funny because everybody in Nashville, there's like a structure, you know, to a country song. You got a verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus. You want it to be relatable. You want people to sing it. And you know, there's nothing repeats in that song. And I had came in with an idea of a song, you know, starting and going through the whole

road of life. And you know, and it's funny, like I was, God, I'm bald like a baby writing that thing. I at least walked out the room, I didn't want them to see me crying. But yeah, it just kinda hit me and they grew up quick. And they're already noticing it now. No, literally, I was literally just talking about it on our last episode because I don't know how it's like for you as a dad and I'm curious,

was there a moment that really made you, like when you went back and you wrote that song, was there like a specific moment? You know, because like when we found out, now he was pregnant with River, and then, you know, she's born, every parent you meet, it's like, it goes by fast, it goes by fast. And everyone says that so much that you kind of start rolling your,

you guys, you know, when you hear the same thing over and over, you're like, no, I get it, it goes by fast. It falls on deaf ears. Yeah, it falls on deaf ears. But, you know, when you hear the same thing over and over, like, no, I get it. It goes by fast. It falls on deaf ears. Yeah. It falls on deaf ears. But, you know, for me, honestly, was like the past couple of weeks that were really hit, right? Because like Rivers, old enough, she's walking, she's trying to talk, she's communicating. And I feel like her and I are connecting, you know, in ways that like, you know, Natalie's been connecting her with her

since day one, right? And now I was telling the story, but like my parents were in town, you know, Natalie's been connecting her with her since day one, right? And now, I was telling the story, but like my parents were in town, you know, they're here for a few days, they were gonna leave, so I was like, you know, mom's gonna put River down, my mom, her grandma was gonna put River down, and just to like maybe spend some quality time with her. And like River just kind of fought it,

because I'm usually the one who puts her down, because I've tried to like have that be my thing. That's your thing, yeah, yeah. And she really threw a fit. And I came in there and Reva just like wrapped her arms around me and like was like, hey Dada, and I was just like, oh man, I'm never gonna let anyone else do this, it's the best.

And then I got kind of sad, right? Because I got sad about like, she's changing so fast and the way she says hi Dada just is gonna be different. You know? And it really hit me and it just made me think of your song even more, you know, because before when I first heard your song, when I was loving it, I was like,

oh, this is a good jam and it's sentimental, but now like as a dad is connecting with his daughter, it's just like, holy fucking shit. Well, I mean, I think a lot with me was, I had a West Coast run and I was gone for like, you know, my daughter was three, you know, going four, had a West Coast run. And you know, usually when we go out there, we stay for two weeks, 10 days, you know, whatever.

And like, when I got back from that run, it was like, she had grown, it's like a totally different child. And you know, you start thinking about like, I've been on the road a lot for my kids life. And I just started with like how fast it is, you know, my parents always tell me, you gotta slow down, you I just started with like how fast it is. You know, my parents are always telling me you got to slow down. You got to spend time with these kids.

And I do. But, you know, my job takes me on the road and it was just those little moments of like, she walked better or she could talk, you know, more. She could tell you exactly what she wanted. And when I left, it wasn't that way. And, you know, and it sounds crazy to think, but like 10 days is a lot when you're talking about a one-year-old kid. Yeah.

And, um, yeah, that, that's kind of where that, that idea came from. And your oldest is a girl. Yeah. Yeah. And it just has me wrapped around her finger. But it's like that, like you were saying, you know, even now she's five and. She'll, she'll always be like, Dad, you hugged me too much. And I'm like, it breaks my heart

because I know at some point she's gonna be like, Dad, stop, like, God, stop, get off of me. And it just breaks my heart. But yeah, she's got me right where she wants me. He thinks he's gonna be tough with it. He thinks he's not gonna. We don't have a shot. We don't have any shot. I'm gonna give her what she needs and what she wants me. He thinks he's gonna be like tough with it. He thinks he's not gonna say I'm not. We don't have a shot. We don't have any shot.

I'm gonna give her what she needs and what she wants, but I really just don't want spoiled kids and I really want her to be a badass boss. And I don't like, yeah. And I think, I know it's gonna be hard, but I honestly think it's my job to make sure that like I gotta sometimes, I gotta teach her the...

You gotta show the tough side of it. Yeah. And it'll be hard to do, but I don't know, maybe you have some advice for me as your kids get older just because I'm really worried about... I'm very fortunate of having the life that we have and we're very lucky to give our daughter things that we wouldn't dream of even asking for as kids. But like, yeah, I really hope that she isn't spoiled. Well, we had that on this last Christmas where me

and Kristin stayed up till 3 a.m. wrapping gifts. And I'm like, what are we doing, babe? I'm like, this is like, I don't think I got this many presents from one to 12. Like, I mean, and she's like, well, she wanted this and this and this. And I told her that night, I was like, hey, from now on, we're gonna back off on this.

Cause I'm saying way like me and my wife, both grew up working class families and are so blessed to get to give or to what our kids are going to be able to experience and I think that's where we really kind of shifted it to like you know toys are cool but it's like you know we just went to Australia and got to bring them with us and it's like it's more so those things where I'm like let's let's give them experiences and show them show them the world instead of just giving my son another monster truck

that he's going to lose or not want to play with in three days. But yeah, I'm we'll have to work through that together. All right. I hope you can offer. He tells me to stop. I'm definitely the one who, I mean, I feel like now she can't be spoiled. She's 14 months old. She doesn't know what it is. It's like once she starts being like, oh, I want that, I want that, I want that, then I feel like I'll be able to reel it in. But what I'm worried about is your ability to stop because she gets such joy.

I do. You know, out of like, ooh River would love this. And it's true, right? You see the, you know you're gonna get an excitement and she's, River's only gonna get more excited and show more appreciation for gifts. And like, are you gonna be able to lock it up and stop? You know, because-

Probably not, mama. Probably not, I'm not that old. Me and Kristin probably have that in common. Absolutely, she is just as bad about it. Like, are you buying it for her or are you buying it for you? Right. What I think is so funny though is you, your boy, one of your boys is Lachlan, right?

Yep. And that is one of the names on White Lotus. And I was just thinking the three children that are like from the South in this show are Saxon, Lachlan and Piper. And I was like, those three names are probably gonna be super common within this next year. And like you, you're ahead of the-

Yeah, we've got a Lachlan and I've got a Piper as a niece. Do you? You're ahead of the curve. I am. Where did the as a niece. Do you? You're ahead of the curve. I am. Where did the inspiration come from? Behind naming your children. So my daughter's Eloise and I think me and my wife are dating for like two weeks.

And she was like, just a heads up, if this works out, my daughter will be named Eloise. Non-negotiable. Like it's not like. Old of her. I know. And I was like, okay. I her. I know and I was like, okay. I mean at that time I was like, whatever. But she. I don't know if this is working out.

She was like, you know, if you had, if you're dead set on her name for a daughter, we might as well call it off now. And I was like, no, that's fine. I haven't even thought about that. I'll call her Elle. Yeah. And so she was like, my daughter will be named Eloise. Is it like a family name?

She just has always loved the name Eloise. And so we had Eloise that was set in stone from very early on. Lachlan, when we had him, we lived in Lachlan Springs. Just, I'd always loved that name. And we spelled a little different than the way they do. But, and then Elijah is my, my youngest, you know, we just call me that.

And that was a name that I've always loved. And I always liked that name too. That was the, that was like my fake. I don't know if you had this when you were growing up in high school and every time like, maybe you're like traveling with some buddies and you decide to like make up different names. Yeah, like a fake name. Elijah was my go see that was mine too

Like if you would ever I remember as a kid when you would do a create a player on like PlayStation or whatever I would always name him Eli and and so like now I've got my own Eli, but it was you know, we didn't find out with him So it was a we we didn't find out with Eloise and then we found out with Lachlan and then we didn't find out with him. So it was a, we, we didn't find out with Eloise. And then we found out with Lachlan and then we didn't find out with Eli, uh, which we were naming Eli boy or girl. Which do you, which experience did you like better? Not finding out. Not finding out. That was, that was kind of, that was pretty cool.

Yeah. I think I found out with lot because his, my brother has three girls and I have a sister and so I was kinda like, hey man, the last name's kinda coming into question here. So I was just like really like, man I hope I have a boy. And then we found out with him and I really could see how anticlimactic it was for my wife where I was like, let's go, I've got a boy. And she's like, oh awesome, it's a boy.

And so now we're not finding out with the, we've got another one coming in June. So we'll find out. Congratulations, that's so exciting. I have a friend who we found out with River and partly, Nellie was so sick early on that she's like, I need this, I need. I needed something.

I need something to get excited about and look forward to. And I was kind of always like down for whatever. And then when we found out River was a girl, I mean, I was definitely like, I think I've always just wanted a son. I'm convinced I'm gonna have all daughters. So when we found out River was a girl, I was just, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now he's like, how do you feel? I'm like, I literally sat, I sometimes I have really bad timing. I'm like, I think I would have cried if it was a boy.

Yeah, and I was like, oh, I'm like standing there sobbing in front of him. He's like, yeah, well, I would be right there with you if it was a boy. Yeah. But I mean, listen, as soon as, and I'm sure you feel the same way about Eloise, but like as soon as they appear in this world,

you can't imagine them being anything other than they are. You know? And it's like you were saying earlier about when people tell you how fast it goes and it kinda falls on deaf ears, it was like when you can ask somebody, no one's like to have a kid,

it's like until they get here, it's like yeah, totally different for the mom. But I feel like as the dad, you know, just seeing your wife go through how y'all do pregnancy. Thank God. I just wouldn't be able to do it. But you know, there's like that kind of until the baby shows up and then you're like, Oh, now I get how you could never love anything more than that little crazy looking thing. It just shows up.

But you're like, oh my God, it's just crazy. How much do your kids inspire just your career, your music in general? Yeah, I mean a ton on the songwriting side of it. I mean, next thing you know, even By Dirt was another one that was kind of inspired by how I wanna go about raising the family. You really have some family bangers.

I do. Thank you, that means a lot. You know, I grew up mostly hating country music. Yeah. I'm from Wisconsin, I don't know, I think I was just kind of like, I just decided I wasn't gonna like it, a lot of my friends did,

and you know, I'm old enough to like, country music back then was not what it is today. And I was resistant to it. And then met Natalie and she's always playing country music. And then she took me to Stagecoach. And I really fell in love with country music at Stagecoach. And it was because of the community.

It was about like, I'm usually not a guy who's like listening to lyrics of like songs and things like that. But you can't help but to when it comes to country music. It's more deliberate. And I just really loved, not to sound corny, but the songs about, it was songs and music about things I want for myself

and my dreams and things like that. So songs like yours, I don't know, there's the ones I usually connected with more because like that's how I got into it. And like now, now and like I'll play it. I've played it by myself, you know, like, you know, usually it was always like when now he's playing it, now I've really become a fan just because I really love

that's not, yeah, like the messages and shit like that. There's honesty in the, in the songwriting, you know, I've always kind of struggled on, you know, and now I feel like country's more open than it's ever been. I mean, you've got the Cody Johnsons who are, you know, cowboys, you know, country to the bone. And then you've got me somewhere in the middle of it, it feels like, and then you've got Jelly and Post Malone's in it.

And it's just like, I've just tried to get more to like, man, I just love good music. And I think with me, it always comes down to the songwriting side of it the message the honesty in it. Did you start off songwriting? Yeah. You did. I mean I never never had a dream of like playing music live like playing on stage being the guy singing I moved in 2012 to write songs you know just wanted to write songs for the artist, was bartending, doing everything

to kind of stay in town and was struggling finding a job as a songwriter and had a bunch of songs and met somebody that was like, hey man, why don't you start singing them, like try to do the artist thing. And I was like, well, if that could get me out of bartending, I'll do anything. And like now I don't know what I would do without going on a show. Why only songwriting and not just being an artist at first? Well my family was, my uncle was a songwriter,

so I always knew that there was a, here in town and had some hits. So I always knew that there were people writing songs for Alan Jackson's or, you know, George Straits or, and, uh, so I knew that was a job. And then my brother moved to town two years before I did, and he was trying to get a record deal and, uh, kind of started having some success. So I was just like, man, I'll move to Nashville and write with him and, you

know, hopefully we can, you know, do the can do the songwriting thing. He goes out and plays and it's like totally flipped. Now my brother is a full-time songwriter and off the road. And I'm on the road. How much have you all collaborated? A lot. I mean, he's probably my most, the guy I write with the most. But he was a writer on By Dirt with me. He's got four or five on this next album,

so we write together a whole lot. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, that By Dirt makes me think of the lake house that I was able to buy back. My grandfather built the house in like 65. We lost it when I was nine. Oh, you bought it back? I bought it back. Dude. A when I was nine. We died. Oh, you bought it back?

I bought it back. Dude. A couple years ago. That is awesome. It's like the house his mom grew up in and like. Is it back in Wisconsin? Yeah. Super underrated state.

Beautiful state. Keeping it secret though. Yeah, it's like in the middle of nowhere. I know, but the lake's up there unreal. Yeah, it's on a lake and we have, we're remodeling it now. We essentially, we're essentially redoing the unreal. Yeah, it's on a lake and we're remodeling it now. We're essentially redoing the house. Because when I got there,

and some of our audience members are mad at me. Oh yeah? Don't be mad at him, come on now. Well, we bought the house and made such a big deal about it. And then when we got the property back, I was kind of amazed and grateful how preserved it was. The concrete steps leading down to the lake still have my mom and my uncle's names

engraved in the concrete when they were kids. And the swing set they grew up on still there and shit. But it's really the property that's special to me because all we do is just go on the lake and stare at the lake and the house itself is, you know, it doesn't need to be anything special. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't. Yeah, it's a thing. But now that we're there and we want to like grow our family and have people up, it's just like it, you know, the pipes are kind of yellow and yeah, so like we just needed to fix it up and it just

made sense to, you know, bigger and grander. But like that you're this by dirt just every time I listen to that song, it just makes me think of like, when you have a like a special place that like, it will always be in my family. Like my dream for that house is to have my kids love it as much as I love. I was about to say if y'all taking River out there yet? Yeah. Like how special was that? Yeah, I can now like she's getting older. Like now she was just like a little bean, you know, but now she's like seeing the world. I a little bean, but now she's seeing the world. I can't wait till this summer

and teach her how to swim and shit. That's where I learned how to swim, that's where I learned how to water ski and shit. I mean, that's just the spot for us that was always, even my grandparents, they lived on a lake in East Texas. So the summers were going there, and it wasn't anything crazy. It was on Toledo Bend, which is a pretty lake, I mean, but it's nothing like probably Lake

in Wisconsin, but like, you know, it was just more like that was where my cousins went and for three weeks of a summer we would go down there and it was just us and family. And you know, still some of my favorite memories were at that lake house. And then now y'all get to do that with y'all's kids. It's gonna be awesome. It's a special thing. It's a cool experience. Have you been able to look back at any songs

that you've written now that you are such a successful artist yourself and be like, I kinda wish I would have saved that for myself. Or are you like happy at the homes that they made? Oh no, no. I mean like, I take any time one of my songs gets released to the world, I'm super happy about it. There was one, Jaco take any anytime one of my songs gets released to the world. I'm super happy about it.

There was there one Jaco and cut one of my songs that is still one of my. Which one? It's called Somewhere South of the Rum. And I was so on the fence about it. And I was like, man, I really love this song. He had it on hold and I'd heard he was going to cut it. And then I kind of got cold feet and I was like, man, I think I need to cut this then, you know, cause like when you see another artist that, and I love Jake, like he's been so good to me and take me out on tours and you know, and then I'm like, well, dang, Jake

thinks it's cool. Maybe I should record it. And, but I'm, I'm super stoked that that's like, it was a full circle thing for me when it's like, man, that's cool that like that Jake is one of my favorites in country music I've gotten a tour with him and now you know one of them I think of my second outside cut Being him was pretty cool. I have one of Jake Owens t-shirts. No way. Yeah, like a face tee. No My we I dated his ex-girlfriend and this is oh like- Oh, like a real J.K. Owen shirt. Like it's a Miami Vice-

Like no, his actual- It's like a merch item. It's a Miami Vice t-shirt. And like I didn't know country music back then. I'm 44, this is 20 years ago. Like this, I don't know 18 years ago, I'm 27, 28. Yeah. My ex-girlfriend was like, yeah, I dated this country.

You know, he was big then, but he's much bigger now. And I was just like this spiteful new boyfriend. I was like, this fucking guy, whatever. I didn't know anything about him at the time. But she had this purple Miami Vice t-shirt that I was like, this is a dope ass t-shirt. Honestly, you need to give it to Jordan to give back. I feel like she should give it back.

Anyway, she told me how she stole it from him in the divorce and I stole it from her in our divorce. I mean, we gave it back. Anyway, she told me how she like, she stole it from him in the divorce and I stole it from her in our divorce. I mean, we just broke up, but I still got the fucking shirt. No way. You've gotta get that back, Joe. If he wants, if Jake, if there's a purple Miami Vice t-shirt, if you want it back. Could you imagine if you bring that up to him?

He's like, dude, I haven't stopped thinking about that shirt. False, false. That is hilarious. Yeah, that's pretty full circle right there. That is crazy. You have a beautiful beard. Thank you. I've always wondered if I could grow something that full. I can already tell you I think you could do it.

I don't know. It gets a little like wiry after a while. Is there a secret to being, cause it looks like it's meant to be that thick. Beard oil, it kind of gives it some volume. Okay. But I think you could go there. You don't use beard oil on that?

No. I don't. It helps a lot. I was against the beard oil because I was just like, no. Feels a little fancy. When I, yeah. I don't want to have to manicure my beard.

And then I started, like, somebody sent me a Package of Savage Maine beard oil and I was just like alright off the name alone. Yeah, try Yeah, and so I used it one day and I was like, okay, this is great. And now I'd use like beard oil and a beard shampoo Like you're getting gifted like the kits for Christmas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not one sponsor on my beard. I always say this. My beard is still a free agent. Like nobody crazy. Yeah, that's a beautiful beard. I definitely feel like marketable. They could take your face off and do one of those beard silhouettes and be like, yeah, that's true. Yeah, no, you got to

get on the beard game. I'll tell you what, I'm gonna bring you a beard oil. Okay, thank you. And you can let me know your honest opinion. We should do a get ready with me with Jordan Davis. Yeah, this is beard routine. Takes like three minutes. Yeah. Like, all right, well, there you go.

Bar None recently came out. How excited were you to release that? Man, I haven't stopped listening to the song since I got it sent to me. It truly is like, it's a perfect kickoff to, we've got a record coming out at the end of this year that I'm super excited about, but. You don't want to move that up like a little sooner? Or? I would if I could.

But no, we're releasing a lot of music over the next couple of months and man, bar none was just like, it truly got sent to me. My manager sent it over and was like months and man, bar none was just like, it truly got sent to me, my manager sent it over and was like, hey man, check this out. We'd probably recorded 12 or 13 songs and I mean, I just couldn't stop listening to it. And it's even showing now, I mean, it's been out for a couple of weeks

and fans are already loving it. We played it for the first time at a festival last weekend and got a great response. How do, at what point do you find out that your song is on today's country on Apple? I feel like that's always the playlist I go to is just today's country and it's nonstop Jordan Davis. No, I mean, I'm super fortunate.

I mean, I try not to keep up with it because you just kind of record it, put it's, you know, it's, I try not to like keep up with it, you know, cause he's just like kind of record it, put it out, put your head down and keep going. But when you have songs like that, that really kind of raise their hand as something special, it's hard not to keep an eye on it. And this one is, it's, I mean, probably one of my best releases I've put out so far. And it's great. It feels like it's something different that I haven't done before. And it's just a great kickoff to what a lot of this record sounds like.

How many songs are on, can you say, on your record? I think I've got 16, 16 or 17. Yeah, 17. Wow, how do you choose 17? Yeah, it feels like it. But then Morgan puts like 40 bangers on one. And then I'm like, man, I got it. But if I had 40 that I think should go on record, I probably would.

Seventeen's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. Do you get a lot of saying that? Oh yeah. Yeah. Like it's a, I've been, I've got an amazing team, but, uh, that's one of my favorite things about, you know, publishers management label is, uh, I have full reign on, and that's even going back to my first album

You know, it's like, you know, you hear stories from other artists about like, you know I was kind of pushed in this direction or that direction, but I've never I've never felt that I've had full creative control over all my albums So where do you stand on music videos? Are you like full? Let's bring them back like they used to be? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, mainly because like the last video, uh, I literally just got my friends to come over for two days in Charleston and we rented a boat and like you just kind of get a day to hang with your buddies. But that's also like a kid that grew up watching CMT nonstop. Right. Like that was such a, such a cool thing to put like a visual with the song, that it's still something that I love doing. And then you have a song like,

bar none, that I'm like, oh man, this could be a fun video. No, I was gonna ask you, do you have like any ideas in mind for? I don't, I'm terrible at coming up with the idea. I'm pretty good at writing the songs and singing them, but when it comes to like the videos, that's such a different creative side

that I can't get into or I'm not good at. But I'm sure it's probably gonna revolve around drinking, which will be fun. As someone who planned on being a songwriter and not an artist, do you enjoy performing live or do you get stage fright or is it a little bit of both? There was definitely a learning period of, so it's funny, when I first started taking meetings as a, so I got a call one day and they were like, hey, Universal wants to meet

with you. And I was like, oh, sweet. And in my mind, I'm thinking like, oh, Universal publishing, like, I might get a songwriting contract and they send over the address and it's the label. And I was like, oh, I guess they take songwriter meetings at the label. And I walk in with the guy that was helping me out at the time. And he said, by the way, man, you know, this is like for a record deal, right?

And I was like, no, I did not. by the way, man, you know this is like for a record deal, right? And I was like, oh, I did not. But, and so I sit down, first ever sit down, and she's like, so how long you been playing? And I was like, I'm not gonna tell this person, and I've never played a show before. And I was like, oh, you know, I'm still pretty green,

but like, you know, I've got some- Since I was little. Yeah, yeah, like, you know, mostly acoustic stuff, but like, I've got some shows coming up. And I know enough to be dangerous. Yeah, yeah. You know, mostly acoustic stuff, but like I've got some shows coming up. And I know enough to be dangerous. Yeah, exactly. And she's like, well, let me know when your next show is. I'd love to come check it out.

And I immediately went home and I was like, I've got to find a band. I've got to learn how to do a set list. I need to learn how to like, just learn everything. And she came to my first show and she told me, she was like, you're really green. And in the back and she told me she was like, you're really green. And in the back of my mind I was like,

yeah, it's the first time I've ever played. Finally I came out with it and I was like, hey, I've never done this before. I don't know what I'm doing. And I ended up signing. And the best thing that happened to me was I signed my deal and I didn't release music for probably a year and a half and just went out and played little bitty no-name towns,

little bars. First full band show I ever played was, there was, it was in Birmingham. There was a sound guy, there was two bartenders and there was one guy at the bar that was playing the, you know the games where you have to pick the difference between the two photos? Yeah. He was drinking and playing that game and had no clue what we were doing.

Like didn't even turn around one. Did not care. And I think I got. Where is that candlestick? Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I think I got paid like 250 bucks. That's crazy.

Cost me 400 bucks to get everybody down there. That's crazy. I mean, I love those stories because I always love hearing, especially people as successful as you are, how they cut their teeth, how they pay their dues. Obviously, you talked about how lucky you are and the privileges you have,

but it's moments like that. There's 99 out of 100 people right there just say, fuck, I'm out of it, this ain't for me. Like I'm not doing this shit. You took yourself out of it though. Yeah, but like it's that, you know, you bet on yourself, you put it together, you know, like that drive out there spending 400 bucks

to make 250 to be in a room that's empty to perform, I love shit like that. I mean, it's like I took those you in, you know, and kudos to to my team at the time of being like, hey, don't worry about who shows up. Don't worry about how it goes. Like just get better every night. Like, you know, get more comfortable, you know, and I mean, without that, like if I were to just jumped into it and think and like, oh, yeah, there's I'm good, man. Like I wasn't even looking for this and I got it. Yeah, I don't know if I would be where I'm at now.

That's incredible. Obviously we love watching TV, reality TV. I hear you're into this million dollar show on Netflix. Do y'all watch it? No, I have not. We haven't, but everyone's been telling us it's so good. Convince us that we should be watching. I think it's amazing.

All right, so like, I'm trying to wean off of true crime. Okay. So like, read this article about how if you calm down to true crime, there's like tons of red flags. Something wrong with it. Yeah. And I was like, all right. Did your wife get you into it or were you like,

I've been doing this? Oh no, I was way into it. Interesting. Like, what's your childhood trauma? I know, right? That's exactly what they say. They're like, if you calm down by watching trauma, you've got some major problems, man.

And so I like, you know, and I do, I love reality TV and we have a ton of time, you know, ton of downtime on the road, flights, whatever. So the other day I saw it. So it's million dollar secret. Million dollar secret. And yeah, so do you know the premise at all? All right, so. I read it this morning, but I explained to people.

So basically they it's like probably eight or nine people right now. And then one gets voted off and they get given a box, you know, eight of them are empty. One of them has a million bucks in it. And then they have to go the whole day trying to find out who has the million bucks. They're all lying to each other. Like nobody said what they do. One woman's a cop, but she's like never addressed

that she's a cop and like one person's like kind of getting onto like, and then they give like these hints and he's like, I'm doing a terrible job explaining this. I'm sorry. But like, you know, they have like a, they have like a game they have to play and then the winners get to go into this vault and then you get given like a tip to like help tip out who the millionaire is. And then they all have this big dinner and then they vote on it.

And then you have to open your box in front of everybody. But here's what I don't know is going to happen because the season's still going. I think they're about to release the, actually tonight, today the 9th? I think so, I think two episodes come out tonight. Yep, the night. Okay, so this will be yesterday for everyone. Okay, well, so there's a couple new episodes. We know what you're doing tonight.

So I'm in on it. Locked in. Like, I am all about it. So this is your true crime. I think that's why I like it. I was actually talking to my wife about this, and I was like, I think, because it's like half detective. Do you know as a viewer who about this. I was like, I think I'll, because it's half detective.

Do you know as a viewer who has the box? Yeah, you do. You do, okay. So you know who the millionaire is, and then they get given, this is what I think is awesome. So the millionaire gets a task. So one of the first girls had the million bucks,

and this guy with a really cool voice comes in, and he's like, you have to hug everybody today. So you have to secretly find a way to hug everybody. And not make it like weird or obvious. To where somebody's like, hey, I think the task is you have to give everybody a hug. So the millionaire is given tasks. And they have to complete these tasks covertly.

Yeah. Okay. And then like one of them was like, they had to like drop like song titles and like regular conversation. So it's pretty cool to like see how they do it. And then the detective side of everybody's like, everybody's move, like every move you make is being watched all day. And it's like, Hey, that person, like, I don't know.

It's kind of like, it's like Traders cover. Yeah, as I say, next thing you know, you're watching Traders. Did you watch Traders at all? I did not. So you would love, you would like Traders. If you like this show, you'd love Traders. Okay, well then I need to get on it.

You need to get on that. If you just would like buy a little dirt, you would love Traders. Yeah. No, I love it. See, that would be a test. Is that you have to sneak in, buy dirt, into the episode.

That's funny. But yeah, it's like, I think six, I think there's like six people left now. Okay. That sounds good. Is this one of your first reality TV shows you got into? No. Okay.

I've been a reality. What are you into? What are you into? I mean, it started with Jersey Shore. Well, of course, the OG. When we first started dating, I got invited to the MTV reality TV awards before they combined them and brought Nellie

and we sat at the table and Snooki and J-Wow were at our table and J-Wow ended up coming to our wedding. No way. We became friends. But Nellie like leaned over, she's like, this is my Super Bowl. And she was like sweating and freaking out. I never watched Jersey Shore.

So like, I honestly was like, I don't even know who these people are. I don't give a fuck, whatever. She was freaking out. I was like, you need to be normal. Stop being so fucking weird. It was hilarious. So I did a CMT interview.

So a tour with Dirk Spintley last summer or here recently, maybe two summers ago. And we would do a cold plunge in the morning. Then we would work out and then we would do pickleball. So it was our, what did he call it? PPL. Yeah. Pickle, pickle plunge lift. So that was our, what did he call it? PPL. Pickle Plunge Lift. So that was our GTL.

And then we recreated a photo from Jersey Shore with like me and Derrick's and my crew. And then we just like put them side by side. And so I come back to Nashville after the tour and I'm talking about it. And they got Mike the situation to do a cameo to me. And I was like, this is the coolest thing ever. But yeah, I was pretty, he kind of bashed me,

he's like, dude, your GTL game is terrible. Pickle plunge, whatever. But I was like, watch it, I was like, this is world's colliding right here. But yeah, Jersey started me off, God, I mean, I feel like there's, you know, obviously Bachelor, Bachelorette. Yeah.

Yeah, I was like, it's like, I already watch way too much TV, so it's like, that's like, I need that to like kind of decompress. For sure. So yeah, I'm a big reality guy. I mean that's how I got on the show, was making fun of my buddy's wife for watching it.

That's how you, did they like, did you know they, did they sign you up for it? She joked, she's like, shut up, I'm gonna sign you up. And like my girlfriend and I had just split or whatever and she like joked about it, but like I did not think she was being serious. And then like months later I got a random phone call and you were in, yeah.

It was in and never let go. Look at you now, baby. Yeah, she kept showing up. Just kept showing up. Showing back up. Do you have any, I would imagine so, but plans to tour after this record comes out? Yeah, we've got a, just announced last week, we've got a tour in the fall. I think we crank up in early September, playing like some venues that I've had, I've been wanting to play for a long time.

Red Rocks was like always my bucket list spot. And I've never opened up for anybody there, so this will be my first time being there. Radio City in New York and The Greek in LA. So those are like three staples of it. But also, I mean, I always hate talking about three certain shows because there's some amazing spots for stopping it, but it, I mean, I always hate like talking about three certain shows because there's you know, some amazing spots for stopping it, but

Do you you know be able to take the family at all or I mean? Hard with them in school. Yeah, and we'll have a brand new one It's like we've tried the touring thing like kudos to the artists that can take the fam out and like that is just a That is a whole different animal. It just makes for really, really long days. So they'll probably come out for like certain stops. Okay. But- Are you bussing it?

Yeah. Yeah, it's harder too. It's so tough. Yeah. They don't sleep. And then like the last time we took them out, and like a three day run, I got like a, you know, cause we just have like regular style,

there's 12 bunks on my bus and everybody's got a bunk and we have the back lounge. So for this weekend with them coming out, I was like, all right, we'll put them, we'll put the kids in a bunk. And then me and Kristin had a room in the back of the bus, which I was like, this will be fine. Like I'll be able to get some sleep.

They'll be in the, you know, it'd be great. That just turned into five of us. In the bed. In the bed. In the bed. Yeah. Every night and just sandwiched in. You got no sleep. No sleep.

You're playing shows like just dog tired. And that's when I was like, all right, if we're gonna do the family touring thing, we gotta find a better approach. Yeah, you gotta do it right. Do your kids, I would have, how old is Lachlan? He's three. Three, okay, so he might not.

But does Eloise know that you're like famous and- Yeah, I think she's kind of catching on to it. She said something to my wife the other day, Kristen sent me a text message and she was like, Eloise just asked why not so many people know my dad. But it's actually made some like really funny, she went to school one time and I was talking to a teacher and she asked everybody what song their dad sings.

So she just kind of thought everybody's dad would sing songs. So I picked her up, I was taking her home, I was like, hey, some dads are doctors, mechanics, you know, not everybody's dad is crazy enough to try to do this for a living. But yeah, she's kind of catching on mechanics, you know, not everybody's dad is crazy enough to try to do this for a living. But yeah, she's kind of catching on to, you know, she's come to shows and luckily I'm still not her favorite. I was about to say, does she give you her honest,

cause kids are cruel. So if you're like, hey, can I play you a new song? And she like, mm-mm. If she passes on it, there's a good chance that song's not making my record. No. Like, and they really are like, you know, love melodies and I've got to watch it with my son

because he loves Monster Trucks, loves any truck. So any song I put a truck in, which is country music, we do that a lot, he's all about the truck song. He's like, oh yeah, that's got a truck in it. That's good. But Eloise is like, hey dad, I like that one. So she helps a lot with picking some songs for these records.

She knows the ones that will pull on people's heartstrings. Absolutely. That's great. That's really cute. I love that. I will be curious if my kids will give us input on the show or. Oh, I'm sure.

They'll find their way to give unsolicited advice. Could have done better there. Well, I really.. They'll find their way to give unsolicited advice. Could've done better there. Yeah. Wasn't a great episode. Imagine having content out there you hope they never find. Yeah, I know, right? I already have to answer that to my mom. She was in town for three weeks, and I played her some songs, and I still get in trouble.

I'm 37 years old. I'm a grown man with almost four kids. And if I say like damn in a song, she's like, why are you cussing in your song? And I'm like, mom, that's not a cuss word. She's like, yes it is. And your kids are gonna hear that one day. And I'm like, and I will cross that bridge

when we get there. Your mom would be very disappointed in you. I have a potty mode, I really do. I will cross that bridge when we get there. Your mom would be very disappointed in me. I don't know. Don't let her listen to this episode. I have a potty mouth, I really do. And I am trying to cut back. Is that something, like I don't know if you had a sailor's mouth or not before kids, but like, was that something that you were like,

I actively need to reel it in? Definitely like caught myself a couple of times where, you know, I've had to be like, whoo, they're getting older to where they may repeat that. They're like, I might need to watch. You ever seen those videos where a parent will tell their kid to go in a room and they don't know that there's a camera there

and the parent says, I'm gonna step out and you can say whatever bad words you wanna say and you won't get in trouble. And the kids are just like, fuck! But also some of them are like, shut up, stupid. You know, it's like the words like jerk, meanie. That was, yeah, that if I were to do that with mine, it would probably lean more towards that.

That's so funny. Who are you going out with on tour? So this fall, I've got Mitchelton Penny coming out with me and Vincent Mason. How fun. How do you pick those? So Mitchell's been one of my oldest buddies in town. I've always been a huge fan of him. And just become friends and he was out with us last year and just had a blast. And then when we started looking for support again,

I was like, man, ask Mitchell if he'd do it. Totally expecting him to be like, dude, I just went out with you. I'm gonna go do my own tour or go with somebody else. And he took do it. Totally expecting him to be like, dude, I just went out with you. I'm gonna go do my own tour or go with somebody else. And he took it again. So, and I'm like honored. I love Mitchell to death. And then Vincent is one that like I've just got turned on to, I guess last year, heard one of his songs on TikTok. And I was like, dang, this kid's good. And whenever it came time to find another support act,

I asked about Vincent and he jumped at it. So it's gonna be a fun tour. It's gonna be a fun one. That's awesome, man. Well, congratulations on all your success. It's incredible to have you on the show. Thanks for being a part of our daughter's story. Oh man, thank y'all.

That truly means the world. And I appreciate y'all having me on. This has been awesome. Come back anytime, man, especially as you, any reality TV shows you jump into, let us know. You all gotta let me know if I'm way off on this. If I, cause like. No, well I think you're, no, I'm,

thanks for the recommendation, the way you describe it, it makes, and I hear other people are watching and talking about it and you should check out Traders. Cause like, I think people are very much into, even like White Lotus, I don't know if you watch that, but these shows where it's a lot of clue and you're supposed to kind of figure things out. That's ultimately all reality TV is,

depending on what the format is, it's human interactions, you're watching people, it's a way to judge yourself, see yourself through other people's lenses, judge other people, and just kind of like see how people interact with each other. It's like it's just a fascinating like case study.

So it's like, I think a lot of those shows, that's where they're so popular right now. It makes sense why Netflix is kind of jumping on that bandwagon. So I'm definitely gonna check it out. But yeah, when you, let me know when you get another show, we'll have you back. Yeah. I'll send it over.

Yeah, send over. Congratulations on everything. Your tour, your music, it's all amazing. We're big fans and thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it. Thank you all. All right. Thanks for listening guys.

Thank you to Disrespectfully as well. Be sure to check out the Ali Luber episode of Going Deeper if you haven't already. We'll see you back on Monday!