The Viall Files - E919 - The Valley, Katy Perry In Space, Aimee Lou vs Walton, RHOBH, Daniella Pineda & Elizabeth Wagmeister

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Happy Thursday! We’re reporting to you live from planet Earth alongside journalist Elizabeth Wagmeister to discuss Katy Perry in space, Harvey Weinstein’s re-trial, Diddy’s case, and Russell Brand updates. Later, we’re joined by Daniella Pineda to learn more about her new movie The Accountant 2 and get her takes on the RHOBH reunion and The Valley premiere! Plus, hear about the household’s peach and pit of the week. You won’t want to miss it! “The millennial nightmare that is The Valley…” Watch the trailer for The Accountant 2 now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPMh3AO4Gm0 Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles     THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Headspace - Feel good... and mean it when you say it!! For a limited time, get Headspace FREE for 60 days. Go to https://headspace.com/viallfiles  Nutrafol - Whether you're gifting to yourself or a loved one, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off any order! Enjoy free shipping when you subscribe. Go to https://nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VIALLGIFT. IQ Bar  - IQBAR is offering our special podcast listeners 20% off all IQBAR products, plus get FREE shipping. To get your 20% off, just text FILES to sixty-four thousand. Chewy - Chewy has everything you need to keep your pet happy and healthy. And right now you can save $20 on your first order and get free shipping by going to https://chewy.com/viall  Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (00:28) - Peach and Pit (15:47) - Household Headlines (19:55) -  Elizabeth Wagmeister Talks Katy Perry In Space (30:39) - Harvey Weinstein Case (41:47) - Russell Brand and Diddy (47:28) - White Lotus (55:00) - Daniella Pineda Talks The Accountant 2 (01:12:22) - RHOBH (01:23:58) - The Valley (01:38:04) - Bravo Headlines (01:42:34) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @notdaniellapineda @ewagmeister @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @the_mare_bare @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell   

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vilephiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick and boy do we have a great episode lined up for you today. What is your peach in your pit, my love, of the weekend or the past few days? Oh my God, peach in pit. You don't know what a peach in pit is? Rosen Thorn.

Rosen Thorn, peach in pit. Best and worst. Never heard peach in pit. Never heard peach in pit? No. My wife taught it to me. Is it a Southern thing? Probably. Georgia.

The peaches of Georgia. Yeah, we invented it. Oh, is it maybe exclusive to Georgians? Probably. Yeah. I like Peach and Pit. Rose and Thorne. Florida, we do the gator and the tail.

Rose and Thorne's a little bacheloree. Yeah, it is. What were you saying, Mary? Oh, I said in Florida, we do the gator and the tail, but you have to tear those apart so it gets a little dark down there. Are you joking it are you joking or is that I will believe this is this real? I'm dead serious I'm dead. You're like, what was your heading your tail of your day Gator head and tails specifically ask anyone from Florida Okay, what was the peach and pit of my weekend or just like the best few days?

Oh, yeah, I feel like you have an answer you want to share. And so that's why you're asking me. You know, when someone's like, oh, you've been a real no, you know, when someone's like, um, when was like the last time or when's the next time you're going on vacation and you're like, oh, um, I don't know. I'm maybe in a few. When are you like, well, next week I'm going to Italy and then I'm going to France. And then I'm going to, and it's like, oh, okay. You wanted to talk about your trip. Perfect. We can do that.

That is not why I go called out. That's going to be me. Um, I was just genuinely curious. No, the pit was finding out that someone took my, um, comments about Leah's hair as being It was finding out that someone took my comments about Leia's hair as being. When I wasn't, I just was saying she was brave and confident for getting her hair cut. That actually just right there sounds a bit condescending. I'm being serious. I'm being dead ass serious.

For her to have like never. Bravery and hair. It is true. To have never used a Dyson Air Up and then to choose the first time you're ever gonna use it on the day you chop your hair off is confident and brave. That is not me being like, oh my God. Actually, I bought the Airwrap after I cut my hair. So yeah.

Yeah, but the first time you used it and showcased it was the same time you were showcasing your new haircut. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah, so I got a DM, someone calling me a c***. Natalie's DMs are, we need to start a new segment called Natalie's DMs.

Honestly, it'll probably just invite people to send me more c***. Or maybe prevent them from sending stuff. I don't know, no, no, people love attention. Anyways, you gotta, you gotta, no. Because what's so beautiful about these DMs is because like anytime Natalie gets like a DM like this, she'll like, you know, if she notices one, right?

Like, and then it's, you kinda click on it, and it's almost always someone who's already multiple, has already DMed her multiple times, and then it's like the change up, it's just like one, it's like. Yeah, they don't unsend their previous messages. So like when they weren't pissed at me, they were asking me for links or something.

And then it's like calling me a c*** next one. I forgot about this, isn't that why I asked you? You're pinching your pit, but thanks for remembering. Oh. Yeah. She says, why are you legit such a b***h to lay it today about her hair? Maybe because you have money now you think being a bitch is cute.

Oh my God. Wow. Jarring. But also we're friends and it was clearly like going back and forth. But they also always feel like I'm such a bitchy bitch to Nick too when I'm like, you didn't shut the cabinet doors last night

and they're like, oh my God, how dare you call him out on a podcast you bitch. So, but Le, I do love you and I do love that your hair is short. So anyways, her message above that. Still looks the same to me. I'm never gonna cut my hair again. Literally, you've got such a commotion.

But her message above that is, where's this bagel place? Looking for good bagels in LA. Oh no, for sure, let me give you a f***ing bagel, right after you call me a c***. Then her message above that is, Natalie, you can do so much better than Nick. What are you doing? It's like, so she cared about me.

She thought I was like good and like too good for you. So she cared about me. And then she was like, oh, she has good taste. Like, and she has good taste in food. So like, where does she eat? And then like, oh no, she's actually a legit, a bitch and a c***, and I think being a c*** is cute. Does she still think you could do better?

I don't know. That's just really my big takeaway. Yeah, Nick's biggest concern. I would follow up, but you know, you can't follow up with crazy. What do you always say? You can't reason with crazy? Can't reason with crazy, can't fight the internet,

that's for sure. You can't fight the internet, that's for sure. You can't fight the internet. Yeah. That was kind of my, that wasn't my peach, but now you think, they make me laugh so much, these, the comments she gets, it's wild. Well, just post another bagel, and it'll go right back.

Literally. One second, we have a customer service call. Okay, where is it? Okay, thanks, bye. I cannot with these people. I cannot. That's sorry to the girl who has DMed me, but you've been over-jumped.

My pit has now changed to customer service of furniture people. Which actually, funny enough, brings me to my peach. Oh. Yes, of course. Natalie's pit is Nick's peach. Yes of course. Well no, it's just like listen,

every household, pun on words, but everyone has their kind of things that people do. It's just like for example, like Natalie does the laundry, I'm allergic to laundry. I do the dishes, Natalie's allergic to laundry. I do the dishes, Nellie's allergic to doing dishes. It works out for us. Historically, when it comes to calling customer service, it's something I take great pride in

and I feel like I excel in. And I honestly think the key to life is anyone's ability to deal with customer service. I really do. It's great practice for life in general, because I honestly think the success, your ability to be successful in life is honestly your ability to reason with people, know when to ask for help, know when to push back, know when to set a boundary, know when to talk calmly, know when to escalate a little bit. And honestly, if you get good at

customer service, people who are trained to dismiss you, people who are trained to come up with excuses, et cetera, et cetera, like, I'm a big believer. I've literally told one of our employees that they should call customer service over and over to practice on like setting boundaries and pushing back, because honestly, there's no better place to learn how to do that.

Anyways, my peach is over the weekend, we have been like ordering some furniture, changing some rooms, et cetera, et cetera. And my wife took it upon herself to start making calls. And I heard her in the background and I was turned on. I was turned on, it was awesome. I was just, it made me so in love with her. Just the way she, I felt like,

I felt like, wow, she really learned something from me. Like I've add value in this person's life. Just the way she was pushing back and just, and again, like it's not about calling up customer service and yelling, you know what I'm saying? Nick did at some point say, now they do know where we live. So maybe reel it in just a tad.

There was a couple, you know, listen listen, she's not a black belt yet. Like this takes years of practice. And I've been really like excelling at this. But she just took it upon herself and I was quite turned on. It was, I found it to be very sexy. I do feel like becoming a mom. I appreciate your help.

Thank you, thank you. I do feel like becoming a mom, Leia, I wonder if you've entered this yet, of like, you do kind of becoming a mom. I appreciate your help. Thank you, thank you. I do feel like becoming a mom, Leah, I wonder if you've entered this yet of like, you do kind of become a Karen. Like I think it's just instinctual of like, I will yell at people going too fast through the neighborhood. Like I will tell you to slow down.

I will like, the people who I put out my no soliciting sign and like they still come up and ring my doorbell, which makes my dogs bark and then wakes up my sleeping baby. Like I will chase you down the street and be like, did you see my sign? Like I am in that era of life. And so I think, yeah, getting on the phone with those people and then just giving me

the absolute run around frustrated me so bad. And then it's like, they need you to say certain keywords. So I was like, can I speak to someone else who can actually help me with this? And he was like, well everyone else that I could give the phone to would give you the same answer as me. And I'm like, just anyone else.

And he's like, is there a type of person? And I'm like, you're a manager. He's like, that's the word I needed. I'm like, stop playing a game with me. Like, I'm not fucking around. You know what I'm asking for. That's the world. The world is full of people. Everyone in this world is operating under,

they're the main character in this story, right? And so whether it's at work, whether it's your friends, whether it's your family, we're all looking to get more than we earn to serve, whatever. That's life, life is about human interaction. It's about, if you're not going to set a boundary or expectations, if you're not going to ask for what you deserve, you're just not gonna get it.

You know, you're just not. In life, in relationships, it doesn't matter. And honestly, like if you, you have to get good at speaking up for yourself in a nice way, you know? Like. Because like people will push you, I think I talked about this with Liza on our episode on Tuesday of just like these people will just push

and push and push and be like, but they haven't called to complain yet, so let's just keep pushing. And they had like pushed this delivery so many times to the point that, and then it was like, oh, well our trucks full now, so it can't go on. And I'm like, well, this was, I was scheduled for this three weeks ago

and now you're like not prioritizing me. And so you just, you do have to like stand up for yourself because like to get what you want. And you get good at it. And you get good at like listening to people feeding you bullshit or you know, actually trying to help you. And again, like the key to customer service is always asking for help

because everyone wants to be a hero, you know? If you call up and say, I really need your help, that best way to start one of those conversations. But anyways, I thought that was great. What was your pit if that was your pH? What was your pit? That was my pit. I mean, there are so many.

So many pits, perfect. No, great, I thought you had a good weekend. No, we had a great weekend. So many pits. I just always had to put out, I'm always putting out fires. I don't know. It's usually work related or some kind of thing that stresses me out.

Nothing out of the ordinary. But that was that was a peach that was like I was just kind of turned on. And I was just like, and then we had crazy sex after that because he was so turned on. Yes, of course. It was anyone else have any fun peaches or pits of their week? Well, I got a Dyson Airwrap. Yes, of course. And your pet was me commenting on it,

because of course. That was my peach, and then Natalie shat on it, and that was my pit. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. All right, moving on. Sierra, do you have any?

No, actually, Louie started crawling this week. Did he? Yes. Like, is he scooting, or is he full on crawling. Did he? Yes. Like, is he scooting or is he full on going? He's scooting. Oh, that's so fun. Yeah, he's gonna learn quick. Yeah, it's really, it's exciting, but I know it's also gonna become my pit very quickly.

I honestly, everyone always said, you know, like, oh, just wait till they start walking. Like, and I honestly, I was ready for her to start walking because the crawling stressed me out. Like, I'm like, I know you want it because they want to get down and they and they know that they can move. So they want to get down and they want to move. But then you're like, no, this we're outside. There's like dog poop, like you can't crawl here. We're in the grocery store. You can't crawl here. So it was like, I want I need her to walk. And now she walks and holds my hand and it's perfect. Oh, you'll get there.

Yeah, I'm excited for that. Sierra? I guess, peach. I colored my hair lighter and I like it. So there's that. Hit, I've been a single dog mom for a week and a half because Connor has been out of town. So that's been a little stressful.

Yeah. I'm like, and my dog's blind and 12 years old and has- And isn't Bailey like obsessed? Yeah. Yeah. So it's like one of those. Yeah. And like, and my dog's blind and 12 years old and has And isn't Bailey like obsessed? Yeah. Yeah. So it's like one of those things where it's like, okay, I'll be here soon.

So I was like, that's been like stressful, but he comes back Sunday. So bless. God bless. Mary, anything standing out to you? Oh yeah. I mean, okay. So my peach is that on Friday,

I got to go to a Lakers game for free with my friends, which was super, super fun. But was it fun? Did you feel like? I did feel it was fun. Okay. She had floor tickets. Oh, damn.

She's rich as fuck. No. Okay. My friend's boss got given tickets because of something that she did and then didn't want to go, so gave it to my friend. And then we all went and it was really, really fun. We saw Luca. We saw Bronnie embarrass himself.

It made me laugh a lot. He fumbled the ball. Saw LeBron dunk. So it was pretty great. And then my pit is that there was a frat party at my apartment and I would go to it. Ew. Why'd you have to go to it?

Well, because I technically kind of co-hosted it. It was like all of the people that live at my apartment complex were throwing a joint party. And then I was like, I'm not gonna be involved in this, but I'll show up. That is so me coded to be like, oh my God, let's have a party. And then be like, why the fuck are these people in my house? I did not.

There are like four boys that live across from us. And they were like, yeah, we're going to throw a huge like spring break rager. And I was like, okay. And then it ended up just being a joint, like all of our garages kind of like face each other and there's like a big back area. So a bunch of people were there. And then it was just like a true frat party and it was spring break themed.

And I was like, well, I'm just gonna dress like me when I go home for spring break. But I had like a little crop top on and shorts and I look at my friend and I go, am I straight passing? And then she laughed in my face and fell on the ground. And I was like, gotcha. And then my boy roommate was like, maybe you could meet someone tonight.

And I go, meet someone tonight? I'm trying not to get hate-crimed tonight. That's crazy. I did find a, and it's a little icky and it's a little cringy, I understand that. But I am in my flip-flop era. You're not looking I understand that, but I am in my flip-flop era. You're not looking at my feet, but I am in my flip-flop era. She is.

They're little hobby-on-ers. That's my pet. They're like 10 bucks at Walmart. They are so comfortable and easy and I miss wearing flip-flops. Around the house it's fine, but where were we going? I don't know, we were going somewhere and then we came back home and then we're going back out again and I was wearing shorts and I was like, are these okay? And Nick was like, you know how I feel about shorts. And he was like, those are cute. It's actually the flip flops. And can you put a hat on?

And can you put a bag over your head? And could you actually not come with me? Yeah, my shorts thoughts are mostly centered around men. Shorts can be very sexy, obviously, and ladies have great legs. We love that you show them off. But like, I think it's a good thing that we're all like, we're all like,

we're all like, we're all like, we're all like, we're all like, we're all like, we're all like, we're all like, we're all like, we're all like, we're all like, My shorts thoughts are mostly centered around men. Shorts can be very sexy, obviously, and ladies have great legs. We love that you show them off. But adult men, if you're not working out, you shouldn't be wearing shorts. If you're on vacation on a beach, kind of acceptable, kind of, it's like you're on vacation, let's get nuts.

Fine, Hawaiian shirt it up. You know, wear a pair of shorts. But if, like if you're in the continental United States and it's like an afternoon and you're going out in public and you're wearing shorts. You're kind of a loser. He's judging. Anyways, you have obviously never been

to a public supermarket before, but that's all I have to say on that. I mean, listen, there's a lot of people out there I have low opinions of, but. Guys, this space trip has turned into the most laughable moment of our history, I believe. Yeah. Like the amount of, like who said it,

that this was a billion dollar of memes? Who said that? Should we bring in Elizabeth to talk about it? We should definitely bring her in, but I have one thing I wanna to say before Elizabeth gets here. And that's the fact that Gail King said that the best part of it all was Katy Perry singing. What a wonderful world.

It's like, she didn't want to just like listen to Spotify, like you had to go to, that's the best part of you going to space is listening to Katy Perry sing. I didn't think about that. No, no for me, dog. That's the best part of her going to space. Not like, oh, I saw the moon. You think Bezos wants his money back?

He's like, that's the best part. It was like, you heard Katy Perry sing live. Like go to a concert. Maybe that's why he face planted. That was so embarrassing for him. Who face planted? Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos.

Have you seen his video? No. He was like walking around and he just like tripped and faceplanted into the ground. Before we finish the spaceship explanation story, let's bring Elizabeth Wagmeister on. If you don't know who she is, she's been a guest many times on this show,

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We missed you. We missed you. Well, you know, we're just glad. You've been too busy for us. You were just here and there and everywhere. Reporting all these big high profile cases. I'm like, I'm too busy for my own life. I need more sleep and more time to hang with you guys.

But I'm so proud of you. Like, this is the news that we all knew was coming, but you have worked so hard and I've been there from the beginning and I'm just so excited for you guys with your new deal. Oh, well thank you Elizabeth for saying, we just pretend that the show just keeps going on, you know, it's just like, we're still flying coach.

You know what I'm saying? Like- You gotta be frugal and you gotta be smart to keep it going. Hey, listen- Or we'll end up like the Ratlifts. Yeah, it's the only way you stay rich, you know? My lotus.

Exactly. Fly coach. Anyways, we were talking while we're waiting for you to join us about the infamous shuttle that Jeff Bezos sent a bunch of ladies up into space and to sing a jingle. And yeah, the world is up at the, the world is, I'm shocked that this many people care

about this and like our, I mean, obviously it was always gonna be kind of like some kind of stunt, right? Why do you feel like it's been so poorly received? The public really likes to hate on rich people doing things that they don't perceive as important, particularly in this day and age where it seems like every day, you know, I work in news, I work at CNN, it seems like every day, you know, I work in news. I work at cnn

It seems like every day you turn on the news and the world is you know, is falling apart in some fashion There's terrible things happening all over the world and then you see You know not every person who was on that shuttle we'll call it but many of them are wealthy and were in glam and spoke about how they wanted to be in glam and went up to space. And that's obviously a very costly mission.

And I think that the reason why it comes off as tone deaf is because people are saying, is this really what's important? Now, of course, if you ask the people who commissioned this they're saying you know those critics are totally missing the point. This is about equity for women showing that women could do anything and we're making history and of course you know I'm all for that and I do hope like if those little girls out there who see this and are saying oh my gosh you know I can go to space one day too. Like that's what you hope comes from it. But I think the manner in which it was done, you know, being on the cover of L talking about wearing glam up there, um, came off a little tone deaf.

Yeah. I only cause like, I didn't realize that was like the goal of the mission to like, you know, break glass ceilings. Cause I honestly thought that like, when it came to like space exploration, we've had many very successful women astronauts, right? Now like they've been, haven't women been going up to space for some time now?

Yes, I think the difference here is that it was, from their perspective, this was an all female space exploration mission. So the fact that it was all women, which I believe, you know, I don't study space exploration. I believe it's been done once before where there was an all female mission.

So yes, there have been many female astronauts, but the fact that it was so many together is what they were trying to do. What was the mission? Great question. I have no, and I think, but by the way, like, I think this is the point, as I think people were saying, you know, you went up, it took 11 minutes. You know, my commute to work is longer than that.

And I think people were saying it was 11 minutes. What did we accomplish? What is the mission is the question. I don't know. Again, like I don't study this. It also does kind of feel like that they're using that, like we want this, we want little girls to see, but it's like, it feels like the message is like,

oh, you need to be friends with a billionaire like Jeff Bezos and he'll put you on a flight. Like it doesn't feel like you need to believe in yourself and you'll become an astronaut. You know, I don't see how those two messages. Yeah, I don't know if we know any of these. Are we calling them astronauts? I don't know.

I don't think so. They technically are now. Right? What is the definition of an astronaut? I'm calling them astronauts. They were an astronaut for 11 minutes. No one calls me a pilot when I go on an airplane. Right, but Natalie, I think you brought up

the operative word here, which is Jeff Bezos, right? So let's call out the elephant in the room. I started off by saying people really love to hate on rich people for doing things that are out of touch and seem unnecessary. And if this were done by NASA and didn't include celebrities who spoke about wearing fake eyelashes in space,

if this weren't a Jeff Bezos funded mission, which, by the way, if you do have a few hundred thousand dollars sitting around, you can do it yourself. So I think a lot of people felt like this is a promotional gimmick, right? For Jeff Bezos' company, where maybe if it were, you know, done by someone else, it wouldn't have come off as so. So wait, so this is like a commercial thing

that anyone can do if they have the cash? Yeah. This was like the launch of it, right? Like, this is like the first trip and now it's like, and well, I think Logan Paul has been like, oh, I'm on the next one. So it's an elitist theme park? Yeah, like everyone can go to space as long as you have.

Yeah, listen, if I want my daughter to be inspired, I wanna know if any of these people who went up to space got at least a B in physics and science. You know what I'm saying? Like it's- Well, here's the thing. There were, you know, we're just talking about the celebrities on there,

but there were some women there who were overshadowed, right? Like who are in this world. So that's some commentary that I've seen as well. Some criticism, people are saying like these women who actually, you know, have dedicated their lives to this are now being overshadowed and by the way, like for me, obviously, no hate on Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez, what you said, Nick, to break the glass ceiling and say women can do it all, which again, representation is so important.

If little girls see women going up into space, that's great, but the messaging around it shouldn't have been, hey, should we wear false lashes in space? It should have been, we hope to inspire little girls. I do think it's funny though, when other celebrities criticize other celebrities for doing meaningless and pointless things because it's like, you know,

I don't know, like I saw like Emily Radachowski had some very critical comments and it's just like, I mean, I guess, but like you're all rich and famous and you all kind of, you know, it's not like you're dedicating your entire life to helping those and I'm not even expecting him to, but it's just like, you know. Olivia Munn did have a good point.

I think she co-hosted the Today Show. Yeah, yeah. And she was like, all that fuel, rocket fuel can't be good for the environment for 11 minutes. And if we're gonna charge this and make this a once a year kind of thing for whoever

can afford it, like we can't be doing good to our ecosystem. What I found was that it's a $150,000 deposit that's required, but it's refundable to get a seat on one of these Blue Origins. And then the actual estimate for an individual seat can cost a range of $1 million to $1.5 million. This is how rich people die. This is like the submersible. Exactly, thank you.

It's just like, why are rich people looking for ways to die? Listen, I'm all for, you know, when it comes to this conversation, like I'm all for like, we need to not have like a, like let's die slowly our society. I'm all for like thinking of the future, like everything has a cost, we do need to take care of our earth and we also need to advance our technology

and maybe become a species that 100 years in the future can, I don't know, do actual space exploration. So I'm all for that. But this is, again, this is an amusement part for rich people. It's just like, I'm all for exploring the sea, I'm all for exploring space, but like this isn't exploring, this is just, you know.

Six flags for rich people. Yeah, just like finding meaning in life because you have so much money that everything is mundane and boring. Right, and by the way, I mark my words. I don't, if I won the lottery tomorrow, you could not get me on that submersible. I mean, that would never, oh my gosh, never.

Especially, and I just said this before you came on, but especially after hearing Gail King say that the best part of going to space was hearing Katy Perry sing live. And it's like out of everything you saw up there. Not dying. Like I went to space and I survived. Like a lot of people haven't.

Or stars and planets. And you could also see Katy Perry on land. Buy a ticket for any arena. Weren't there two astronauts who have been stuck in space for the better part of a year recently and had to be rescued? And that's the other thing, the timing of that, obviously it wasn't good.

Because it's like, why have they been up there for so long? It took so long for that rescue. And then here we are, just kind of gallivanting for 11 minutes. Up and down in 11 minutes. I will say, from the other side, amazing advancements in technology to know that, I guess, if you have $ 1.5 million dollars But you know, there is the technology that there could one day be commercial space exploration

And if that's what they're trying to promote great But when it jeff bezo's promoting that and again, it is his fiance with her famous friends and the messaging around it wasn't quite on brand for, you know, advancement for little girls and face exploration, that's where it becomes a thing. But Nick, I am with you. My favorite part of this is all of the celebrities

that are speaking out about it. And I thought Olivia Munn, I thought she did a really good job with her commentary because she was the first one to kind of put this on the map and say, wait, they said that out loud. Like we're talking about wearing fake eyelashes and wearing glam and space. We're not talking about space exploration

and the advancements in technology. So I thought she did a really good job. I agree. I do feel like there's also a lot going on. Harvey Weinstein, Russell Brand, there's like so much going on. Harvey Weinstein, Russell Brand, there's like so much going on. Can you catch us up? What do you know?

Yeah, all these former A-list peat men who have allegedly committed some pretty terrible atrocities. Yeah, what is the latest on these accusations? Well, to my point, in the news every day, there's important things going on in the world, which, you know, maybe is why the 11-minute, you know, gallivanting to space didn't land so well. So let's start off by talking about Harvey Weinstein, because this is a really big story.

You both know, because I've been on the bio-house, talked about this before. I've been covering this for nearly a decade. I was in court for both of Weinstein's trials in New York and LA. And just this week, his retrial started again. So I think from what I've been talking to, you know, my friends from viewers, people are really confused. They're like, why is this happening again? Isn't he in jail for life?

Well, he was sentenced to 23 years in New York back in 2020 then another trial He was sentenced to 16 years in Los Angeles So 39 years for someone in their 70s is you know, effectively a life sentence Well, he appealed the New York conviction which you guys remember was the groundbreaking trial Hailed as a big victory for the Me Too movement back in 2020. He appealed that and last year he won his appeal. Now his appeal was not, he didn't win that based on the merit of believing the women or not believing the women. It was on a legal technicality, we'll say. I could go into that, but I won't bore you guys.

Kind of similar to the Bill Cosby of it all. We'll say, I could go into that, but I won't bore you guys. Kind of similar to the Bill Cosby of it all. Totally different reasons, but similar in the sense that the conviction was not overturned because of what these women said. It had nothing to do with the allegations, nothing to do with believing the women or not. It had to do with something that the lawyers found

that they took issue with and the court agreed that when it comes to the justice system, there are certain rules and certain evidence that should or should not be admitted. So in this case with Weinstein, it was women whose allegations didn't lead to charges. So women who were uncharged witnesses were able to testify in the first trial. The Court of Appeals said that should not have been allowed. There were too many people with allegations of bad behavior who were allowed to testify in front of the jury. The only people who should be able to testify are the ones whose allegations were the reason for the charges against him.

What about like character witnesses? Or isn't that a thing? So yes, but there's, there obviously will be other witnesses in this new trial who aren't the charged witnesses. You'll have expert witnesses, you'll have witnesses who can corroborate some of what these women are saying or who can corroborate what Weinstein came as saying. But they do not want to have these uncharged witnesses who are effectively getting on the sand and doing what the other women are doing. They're talking about their allegations of horrific behavior from Weinstein that they allege that there's no charges. So this time, you're going to see less women. There's three

women testifying instead of six women. Two of the women have already testified and were the part of the reason why he was sentenced to 23 years. And now there's a third woman who is a Jane Doe. I don't know who she is. Nobody knows who she is. I got the first interview with her attorney. We aired that yesterday on CNN. This woman who is an unknown Jane Doe, her identity will come out publicly in this trial.

She will not be remaining a Jane Doe. She alleges that she was assaulted in a New York hotel by Weinstein in 2006. And being assaulted in a hotel is a pattern among these allegations. Many of these women, there's been over 100 women who have accused Harvey Weinstein publicly. Many of them have said, I was summoned to a hotel room under the false pretense of a business meeting and then I was sexually assaulted. So, yeah, so it's interesting because he could be acquitted in New York. And if he's acquitted, the conviction in Los Angeles still stands 16 years. But his team is also appealing that decision in Los Angeles. So it is not a crazy thing to say that there is a path now

for Harvey Weinstein to walk free in the next few years. Yeah, I mean, we never thought Bill Cosby would go to jail and next thing you knew, he was a free man. He very much is and he's selling out shows in Pennsylvania when he does stand up. What? So I interviewed Harvey Weinstein's attorney this week. And he tells me that the first trial was unfair

because Harvey was made out to be the poster boy of the Me Too movement, which they say unfairly was, made out to be a poster boy. And that tainted the jury. So if you ask Harvey Weinstein, he says, all of those women are lying, all 100 women. I've never sexually assaulted anyone. But as his lawyer told me this week, and he is correct on this, this trial has nothing to do with those 100 plus allegations. It only has to do with the testimony of three women. And what I will say based on my reporting

over the past decade, what that showcases to me is how hard it is to prosecute sex crimes cases. You have 100 women who have spoken out, but you can only get six in a court of law. And now that six is whittled down to three because the different intricacies in the justice system, there are reasons, whether it's the statute of limitations, whether it's that they couldn't bring charges,

whether it's that the woman isn't willing to testify, there's a myriad of reasons why you can't get these women in the courtroom. So again, three women, the word of three women on the stand and 12 jurors, it's three people and 12 people making the decision. That's what this case is about. It's crazy, I saw a stat not too long ago, a couple weeks,

who knows, I didn't fact check it, I saw it online, maybe it was made up, I don't think it was. A man was giving some kind of speech or Ted talk and I think he said something like 95% of all, like, or like sexual offenders, specifically men against women, never spend a day in jail. That's true. And I'm actually, while we're doing this,

I'm going to look up the exact stat for you, because I know what you're talking about. So this comes from RAINN, which R-A-I-N-N, let me get the statistics for you. It may be more than 95. I wanna say actually, I thought I heard it were 97, but I wanted to undersell it, not overdo it. Yes, okay, so.

Well, while you're looking it up, it's crazy what you think about it. I've made this story, whether it's my wife talking about an experience, I sadly have had too many women friends, whether it's privately or whatever, have shared their terrible experiences at some point in their life.

And I don't know a single friend who's a woman who sadly has a negative experience like that, or the person who violated them has served any type of justice at all. It's not a single one. And it's also because these stories go viral and you think, wow, is it even worth it? Like these hundred women aren't even like considered

for this. And so it's like, is this, is it even worth going public? Is it even worth like all these people knowing that this happened to me? So I feel like these types of stories that go, you know, super viral and media coverage is crazy. It like, it can hurt a lot of victims. It's really difficult for these accusers to come forward for so many reasons. This is

what I have learned firsthand from my reporting because I have interviewed many Weinstein accusers. It's the public shame. It's going from being a private person to being a very public person. Your name is always on Google next to Harvey Weinstein. I mean, there's so many reasons why. I mean, shame of talking to your own family. One of the Weinstein victims who testified in the first trial, she told me that her own father did not know this had happened to her. She had been harboring this for 15 plus years. And she told her dad because she said this is going to be in the newspapers.

So it's incredibly difficult for these accusers to come forward. And I looked up the stat, Nick, 25 out of every 1000 perpetrators will end up in prison. The majority of these alleged crimes are never prosecuted. So when you take that, you know, 25 perpetrators end up in prison out of every 1000, it's because the majority of them, they're not even on the radar of law enforcement

for a variety of reasons. So yet Natalie, you're completely right that, you know, this story and many others went viral. And at the time, you know, from 2017, when Harvey Weinstein was first accused and then 2020, when that trial happened and he was in court, that became this huge moment culturally around the world that, you know, women are not going to stand for sexual violence anymore. We're going to speak up. And then like everything, I interviewed Gloria Allred this week, who is representing one of the accusers in this trial. And she said, it's always two steps forward and one step back. But when you see these setbacks like this, that a conviction

is overturned, possibly could be acquitted, that will definitely scare more people from ever speaking up. And by the way, the reason why I can speak about this with such assurance, Harvey Weinstein is a convicted rat. So as a journalist, of course, it's very important that I am looking at every side of every story. So we can drop the allegedly, right? In this case, you have to use the allegedly, but he is not allegedly, or he is a convicted,

he was convicted in two jurisdictions and one of those still stands. So again, you have accusations by a hundred women that he denies and he is a convicted in the state of California. So that's why we can really speak of this with clarity, but it is important to say that he completely denies ever having anything but consensual sex. Him and Diddy.

What's the latest on Diddy and Russell Brand? So Russell Brand, that's not a story that I am leading coverage on, so I'm not going out super closely, but just to kind of give you the latest on that, is in 2023, you'll remember that's when the allegations first came out, and it was a few different publications in the UK, who they did their own independent investigations. They had numerous women come forward with allegations of sexual assault against Russell Brandt. And they, at that point, the police in the UK started investigating these claims. So the claims first came out through journalists, and then police started investigating. Now you fast forward about a year and a half

since those allegations first came forth and he has now formally been charged with, after police had been investigating these claims. So he came out and he denied these allegations back in 2023 and now he's denying these allegations, these charges again. And he came out on his social media. And his framing was interesting because he said,

you know, trust in the government and trust in our institutions is at an all time low. And you know, who are you going to listen to? Are you really going to, you know, believe the government, you know, they're out to get him. And he, you know, and he said, I've done a lot of bad things. I was a sex addict, I was an addict, but I was not a racist. So he came out and he has a very, very large fan base, a very large fan base. And if you look at the comments on that

video across his socials, people are really standing with him, you know, thank you for speaking up and for defending yourself and, you know, not just, you know just being silent. They're like, we stand with you, Russell. You're not a rat. But he has been charged. So it appears that there would be some sort of trial in the near future. I mean, there's many steps to get there,

but he now, it's not just allegations made by journalists and made by women. Now there are charges and he is part of the case. And then the ditty of it all, is there any, like I saw a report not too long ago that I think one of the people who accused him of something dropped the charges, but I wasn't sure if that was more like a civil case versus like the federal case. Like, he's still very much being detained, correct? And like, is there any, from his camp,

obviously they hope he beats these charges, but how is it looking in terms of, you know, Diddy being held accountable for his alleged crimes? For Diddy, it's not looking good. He is 100% still detained ever since he was indicted, which was fall of last year, when he was arrested in New York, he was put in jail, they made three attempts at bail, all those failed.

So he has been in jail, he will be in jail until his trial. And if he is acquitted, then he'll be free. But if he is found guilty, he could never leave jail. So his trial is starting, tentatively, it's starting May 5th is when jury selection starts. This is really soon. This is three weeks later. But the latest development is literally two days ago, his team in court is saying that they want some more time.

So the judge said you have 48 hours because you know we're moving full seam ahead. This trial is starting in three weeks so if you need more time you need to file your formal request for more time. So we'll know by this Friday there's actually a hearing on this matter where Diddy will be in court in New York on Friday. If it's delayed it'll just be delayed by a few weeks. So this trial is starting sometime between May and June. I will be covering it. So I will give you guys all the updates. But the case that you're referring to, Nick, that is one of the many civil cases.

So Diddy right now is facing, I need to do an update on the count, but over 50 civil students. I think it's closer to 60 at this point. So he's facing a huge volume of civil suits that is completely separate from the criminal case. The criminal case is based on three victims, one of which is Cassie, and they will be testifying. And the civil suits technically have nothing to do with the case. However, it does color the case because these a few months ago, I interviewed an attorney who explained to me that these civil suits are going to act as a roadmap for prosecutors

because there's so many details in these suits that of course, if you're a prosecutor investigating a criminal case, you have this like treasure trove of information. Now, it may not be true anyone could file a lawsuit, but if you're a federal investigator, of course, you're going to look at these lawsuits and you're going to contact the attorney and find out if you can interview the Jane Doe or the John Doe. So while the civil suits are completely separate from the criminal case, I am told from numerous sources that we are going to see some of these civil accusers on the stand, or that these civil accusers have been part of the investigation behind the scenes.

So it's a long road ahead for Diddy. He has a mountain of legal troubles, both civilly and criminally. And the one that you, I believe you're referring to, Nick, that was dropped, again, that's one of 50 plus, so he still has a lot of suits he is facing. That was dropped because the judge, each of these cases is, it's literally a case by case basis. They all, all the civil cases have different judges, right? So the criminal case is one judge. The civil case has a different judge overseeing each one. It is up to that judge what rules they want to impart. So this particular judge said, I am not going to allow this person to pursue anonymously. They filed as a Jane or John Doe. And if they want to continue with this,

they have to come forth with the real name. That particular accuser decided, I don't wanna come forth with my real name, so they dropped me. Wow, fascinating. On a slightly lighter note. Please. I saw you tweeting about White Lotus. I don't know if you've been investigating this. The internet seems to be as well,

but do you have any tea on the Walton Goggins, Amy Liu potential drama of it all? Because there's a lot of speculation that he has her blocked, that he posted this very nice message at the end, but there seems to be some disconnect. Then the SNL thing happened, where she seemed upset about her portrayal, and then Walton like Googled,

ha ha, that was great. Now maybe that could have been completely unconnected. Maybe he just thought it was great and just didn't like pay much attention to, you know, her character was portrayed. But like, whether it's as a fan, like us, you know, following the case, or as a reporter, do you have any insight on this potential feud?

So, first of all, I'm fully engaged in this, just like you are, and I will tell you, this is the funniest thing about working at CNN, right? Like everyone is a serious journalist, I have colleagues who are on Capitol Hill and at the White House, and anytime there is something like this, my phone is blowing up. Everyone is like, what do you know

about this white lotus field? I wish I had more for you. I do know, so the only thing that I will say, I was told this off the record, but there is something professionally that they are doing in the coming weeks together. So if there really is a feud, this has not stopped them from, like, it's not like they can't be in the same room is my point. Because I

am sure that there is something on the books, but also like work is work, right? So if you have to do something for work, look, they're about to go into a giant Emmy campaign. Like every person in that show is going to be nominated. They're going to have to be in the same room. But the reason why that was interesting to me is because if you look at like a Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni thing, like they cannot be the same, right? So this isn't at that level by any means, because I am told that they are going to be doing something for work in the next few weeks.

Um, and also I do think, like I have no idea if there's really a feud or not. It could just be a bunch of like nonsense. But what I will say. Well, but to your point though, back to the Blake and Justin at all, that all started with people speculating or noticing that like she didn't follow him

and the rest of the cast didn't follow him and then they weren't seeing the red carpet and what was like, oh my God, is there something going on and maybe nothing turned into this massive pop culture case that everyone's talking about. So it's like, hey, it's probably nothing but holy shit. And it's odd to unfollow your cast member. That's very weird.

It's even more odd to block them. Yeah, right. So it's not like we are, you know, we're not just like fanning the flames here. Like there is something to talk about. Now, maybe they're like pranking all of us and we're gonna find out like, oh, they're in on this.

And you know, they, he blocked her because it's gonna be this whole thing. I have no idea. But what I will say is knowing how the inner workings of entertainment media works, which you two definitely know a lot about as well. But anytime, when someone is in the spotlight, anytime something incremental happens, like it could be the most nonsensical doesn't matter thing, it becomes a story. So Walton Goggins talking about the SNL thing and praising it, to your point, Nick,

he totally could just be like, oh, I thought that was funny, like they did something on our show, ha ha, and it could have nothing to do with her. But now everybody reads into it and it becomes a thing. So I'm invested and I wanna know just as that was. Well, thank you for that little off the record T, we appreciate it.

That's more than anyone else on the internet has given us so far. So we will look to see if that work thing ends up happening and maybe we'll see Walton and Amy Lou in the same room sooner than later. Elizabeth. I hope I don't get in trouble. There you go, there's the tea.

I appreciate it. Elizabeth, always fun to catch up with you. Thank you for the insight. I look forward to having you back in the future. Please let our audience know where they can follow you and follow your work. Yeah, so you can follow my work at CNN, all platforms on air, online, on social,

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Thank you for having me, I'm so excited. Oh, we are so excited. I mean, first of all, we just always love to have a Bravo fan with us to talk about all things Bravo. But before we get to that, you are starring in The Accountant 2. Nellie and I saw it, was it last week? Yeah.

We went to a theater, got a private showing. It is so good. It's such a, it's an incredible movie. And you fucking hated it. Yeah, I know, it's good, it's really good. It's so fun and obviously there's always so many conversations these days about like the movie theater experience,

going to the theater, you know, it's so easy to like wait for things to come on demand or streaming or things like that. And this is truly one of those just fun, feel-good movie theater movies that you really have to go and see. I honestly think it's like a great date movie. There's a lot of action, there's love.

I mean, the whole theme of this, honestly, movie is about Ben Affleck's character kind of looking for love. I mean, the whole theme of this, honestly, movie is about Ben Affleck's character kind of looking for love. It's funny. It has great comedy. You play this badass assassin. It's such a fun movie. Yeah. I think it's Ben's best part, personally. I think it's the part that he looks like he's having the most fun, which people are like, really? And I'm like, yeah, I do. I think it's the best that like he looks like he's having the most fun, which are people are like, really? I'm like, yeah, I do. I think it's like the best part that he's ever had. I also think that it's pretty hard to pull off an elevated sequel. But you know, I always tell people like, you know, like James Cameron, like you establish the world in the first

movie. And then in the second movie is when you can kind of like venture off and start to have fun. And it's only with really talented directors. So Gavin was really able to pull that off. And dare I say, I love the first one. I saw it in theaters. My father also fucking loves the first one. But the reason why he loves it is because he was like, when we left, he was like, it's really amazing.

He's economical. He's not spending his money everywhere. His house, it's a reasonable house. So that's what resonated with my dad. My dad's so cheap, so he felt very seen. But I think the second one was better than the first. What was his reaction to being like, dad, I'm in the second, and you're gonna like it a little more?

My dad freaked out. Like he flipped out. Like everyone flipped out. I mean, I really loved the first movie, like in 2016. I went to go see it. So yeah, it seems like I'm always latching onto sequels. I get lucky with sequels. Well Danielle, I agree.

I think it is better than the first. I loved the first. The first is a rewatchable. Like it's just one of those movies, like you can't find anything on Netflix wherever it's streaming. For me the accountants always been like, well let's put on the accountant, you know? Cause it's always just like good, just a good movie.

It's fun to just put on, I don't know, this good action, great acting, great characters, great writing. And then yeah, the second one I think is, is considerably better, not because anything was bad about the first one, it's just more of everything you loved about the first one, and there's a lot more, also, but a lot more comedy. Like, I didn't think the first one was as funny as the second one, and Ben and John, and that dynamic,

those two guys, the whole brother dynamic, it really, it really, it's, I literally clapped at the end. We were in an empty theater because we got our private screening and it got done. I was just like, it was so good. I loved it. What kind of preparation did you have to do

to prepare for this role? Well, I didn't have a whole lot of time. I mean, I think they just gave me enough time to start training for the fight scene, but thankfully they shot that at the end of production. So if they shot at the beginning of production, like I may have been in trouble. And I've done a lot of fight choreo stuff before,

but oh my God, this one was definitely different and really involved. And it's so funny because you work your ass off and then the scene ends up being like two minutes. You're just like, wow, I died for months. So I didn't have a whole lot of time, but thankfully I had enough time to train, but as far as like character stuff goes,

so funny, it was, I mean, to go way, way back, I got a reading from a psychic. Her name's Jennifer Schaffer. I actually met her at a Jessica Alba throws this like Latino universe party. It's like every Latino actor ever like gets invited to this party and like everybody's there. And I got there early cause I'm a loser.

And so Jennifer was there, she's a psychic. And so she was giving free readings and they were like, do you wanna get a reading with Jennifer? And I was there, she's a psychic, and so she was giving free readings. And they were like, do you wanna get a reading with Jennifer? And I was like, yeah. And it's just five minutes, and she just like throws all this info at you, and you don't even say a word. And so I was like, oh, I have to talk to this woman again.

So I spoke to her end of January, and she says, there's gonna be a part that's gonna come around. It's going to present itself, and then it's going to go away, and then it's going to come back, and it's going to change things for you. And I was like, oh boy, you know, I was so excited because also, you know, most actors,

everyone's coming off of COVID and they're coming off of the strike and entertainment kind of has this feeling right now like it's being held on by a string. A lot of thoughts about that. So it's kind of a dark, it's a little bit of a dark time. So I was like really jonesing for a win. And so I got the audition for it and I did it.

And I knew who I was up against, you know, it's like usually no, depending on the project, kind of who you're gonna be up against. And so I was, I thought I did something really different and I thought I, um, I was like, how do I just be scary? She's just gotta be scary. And, and, but then it, then it went away and I was like, what the fuck? I thought I didn't get a call back. Like I thought I was really gonna, something was gonna happen and it went away. And, um, at that And at that time I was attached to another movie that was supposed to shoot in Columbia

and that had fallen through, thank God. But at the time, like middle of February, I was like, shit, I don't have a job. And then my agent calls me at like 9 p.m. at night. And I'm pretty sure I'm actually, I'm being sincere. I think I was like two gummies in watching the Valley. And then my agent calls me and he's like, Gavin O'Connor, it's count two.

He just wants you. He just wants you. So please don't fuck it up. And I was like, oh, OK. Oh, my God. I just remember being stoned and very scared. So fucking overwhelmed that I was having all this anxiety because I was having having such a chill night and then it went to like 10. And then I came in for him and I think I only had one,

was it one or two? I think I only had one audition with Gavin in person. And the other piece of it, not to give away any spoilers or anything, but I just assumed that she was just kind of this sort of cool supporting character. I didn't realize that like the whole movie is about my character.

Yeah, that was centered around the character, yeah. Yeah, it's almost like she should have a spinoff. Literally. It's like they're setting up for him. I feel like you also learned that- We'll see Amazon. You look amazing bald and with short blonde hair. Oh, thank you very much.

I mean, I did not prefer the bald look. I was happy when that scene just kept going into the next segment, but thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, you're very versatile. How exciting to find out that way though. You don't actually have to like do it, you know? Yeah, oh, there was a, you know what?

Before the movie started, they were like, they might wanna shave your head. And I was like, what? I was so freaked out, because I have taken so long to grow my hair out. And then once I got there, hair and makeup was like, we never wanted to shave your head. And I was like, why did they tell me that? I was like.

You know, that reminds me of, this is a little bit of a callback, but have you ever seen Zoolander? Of course. Okay, well, Will Ferrell famously plays Magatu or something, and he has that crazy hairdo, and I guess that's his real hair, and he ended up telling the story,

I don't know if he went on late night television, that after they did the hair, they were like, we could have gotten you a wig for that, like hair and makeup said that. And he was like, I would have loved to have known that. But yeah, they kind of remind me of that where it's just like, when you make these movies, as you know, there's hundreds of employees,

people in the backgrounds you never know of. And there's so many departments and communication, hair and makeup, wardrobe, production, producers. And it's fascinating to hear and very believable that at one point you were told you might have to shave your head. And the next thing you know, someone's like, what's fascinating to hear and like, and very believable that at one point you were told you might have to shave your head. And the next thing you know, someone's like, what are you talking about?

No, we can just put a bald cap on you. Yeah, I was so, I was really sweating. Cause I've had like, you know, in the first Jurassic movie that I did, J.A. Bayona, the director, he was like, I want you to cut your own hair. And I was like, oh, right, right. Like this character cut your own hair. I was like, okay, great. And then he comes in the trailer with me. Okay, so you to cut your own hair. And I was like, oh, right, right. Like this character cut your own hair.

I was like, okay, great. And then he comes in the trailer with me. Okay, so now you cut your own hair. And I was like, I'm in front of Oscar winning hair and makeup, but he's so like hardcore in the method. And so I literally had to take scissors and cut my own hair. And it looked so jank. Like, you know, when you get Barbie

and you're like working the scissors to like get the chunk off? I looked like that and I was like gonna cry. And then James like perfect. You're using like plastic scissors. Yeah, exactly. And then they fixed it up for me. But yeah, it's always a, if it were up to me,

I would just, excuse me, I would only wear a wig and I would never cut my hair. But the other thing that was crazy about this movie was I told Gavin, Gavin just asked me like, so what do you think? Like, what's her look? What's her vibe? And I kind of did a deep dive, you know,

when I knew less about the film, I did a deep dive on like female assassins in Mexico and like cartel assassins. And I kind of just went down a hole. And it's funny because I feel like when they portray assassins in movies or like when they have a look, I feel like they always do the same cliche look, which is like they shave the side of the head.

Like, first of all, I'm just telling you, like producers and people out there, like please stop having alternative women shave the side of their heads. Just put that to bed and stop that now so that I don't get confronted with this for the rest of my career. But these women, and I never see this,

and we didn't go this direction, but all of them have like the thickest fake eyelash extensions. I'm talking about assassins who like have a high body count. Like in Mexico. They have long black extensions and then eyelash extensions, like, you know, the TSA-like extensions. It's like that.

And I was like, where's that lady in movies? Um, but I told Gavin, I was like, I kind of want her to be... I want her to be blonde. Can she be blonde? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, really? When I tell you, that might not sound like anything to you, but in movies, everyone already knows what everything's gonna be.

You don't really get a say. So that was weird for me. Like, and then I had a meeting with all these department heads and they're like, okay, so what are we thinking for the look? And Gavin just looked at me and was like, just tell them what you want. And I was so like, that was so different for me.

So I got to like, develop kind of, yeah. Yeah. That's really me. So I got to like, really develop kind of, yeah. Yeah. That's really sad. And I got to be blonde finally. Have you, had you ever met Ben Affleck or Jon Bernthal before you worked with him? No, no, I hadn't. No, it was definitely my, definitely my first time.

Ben's huge. Ben's like enormous. He's like a very tall person. When I first saw him, I was like, Jesus, he's like a sycamore tree. And Jon Bernthal, he's just the nicest guy. He's so nice. He's like, he really is that nice.

And they're both incredible in this movie. I think John really, you know, especially the comedy element really brings it. And it's such a fun watch. And then you also had a scene. JK Simmons. Yes, JK Simmons. So like you got to do work with all these like

very successful, very established actors in their own right. Was that like a cool experience for you? But I mean, you've done so much other work and other great movies. Or like, do you ever get excited when you get to work with like a big name or someone who's been around? Or are you just kind of like, hey, it's just another day at the office?

No, I'd usually, I mean, with the JK scene, I was so excited, but I was also shitting myself. I was like, I have to come correct. Like I have to really be on it. And I was so excited. Cause I mean, a lot of actors will say, I tend to find that like, especially like, young actors are just jumping in.

You're like, I wanna work with these directors and I wanna work with like the coolest directors. And obviously anyone wants to work with those people. But at the end of the day, the people who make you a better actor are working with top actors. Like a director is not gonna make you a real, a better actor, other actors will.

And it's nice to work with people who are, he's like, JK is like Oscar winning, like he's top notch. So I was pretty nervous. And he's such a good fucking actor that he did this thing that really tripped me out. He would, okay, so we're like sitting at a table. And so in the middle of his scene, he'd be like,

okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And so he would stop and every single time I thought that he was like cutting the scene, I thought that he was actually stopping. And so I would like, oh, he's stopping the scene. And then he would just keep saying his lines. And I was like, oh, he's not stopping the scene. Oh no, no, he's, oh my God,

he's such a good actor that I just got convinced. He's so realistic that I thought we're cutting. Like that's how good he is. Like he's, and he's so cool. And it we were cutting. Like that's how good he is. He's a, and he's so cool. And it's also like, you know, it's like super, super late. I think we shot that scene, like, I think it took like three days

to shoot that whole sequence. It's nighttime, it was like nighttime shoots. And so I felt like I would try to, I would do good to like give him his space. But then also like, I I feel good at making older men who are a little maybe grumpy and tired make them laugh. I feel like I'm the whisperer of that. Not to say JK's grumpy, but you know what I mean?

He's a seasoned actor, he knows what he's doing, and it's late, and we're all tired, and I thought it worked. Do you ever, Ben's someone who, I always empathize with Ben, I just feel like the press is always bugging him and annoying him and he always ends up in these memes and things like that. Can we just leave this man alone?

I really think Ben does not get enough credit, is a very talented filmmaker, whether it's as a director or a producer or obviously as an actor. He's done some amazing work. And I just don't know why the internet's so obsessed with, obviously he has his own demons as well, but why are we always photographing this man with a grumpy look on his face?

Who clearly doesn't want to be photographed. Yeah, it just feels like, when you hear people who do work with home, they seem like they always have pretty good experiences working with Ben. I guess I'm speculating, because you're sort of talking about, why is this person so in the zeitgeist?

And I feel like people really identify with him, because he has this underdog energy, and he's earned, I think, he's earned everyone's respect, because he has been so public and we have seen sort of everything that's happened to him and the ups and downs. But what I think's so awesome is that through all of that,

there's been one consistent through line, which is that he fucking cares about movies. He cares about movies. Artist Equity, his studio, they're making some really wonderful projects, they're setting their business up in a way that really puts talent first, that gives, you know, crew a percentage, they're really looking after the people who make the movies. And sometimes that's not a big priority for some people who are pretty high up. And I love that Ben cares if a movie is good.

He cares so much. So you know if you're gonna do a movie with him, like, oh, thank God, like people are obsessed whether or not this end result is good. And I think that's definitely the case with this movie. And Ben's super, super smart. Like sometimes he'll just like bust out some random thing. And I'm like, what?

Like the other day we had this interview with like LA Times or someone and he started talking about statistics and I was like, what? Like it was just so like, wait, what are you talking about? It was so like in depth and I was like, this guy is like, he's got layers. Oh yeah, I find him so fascinating

and I think it's obviously just very cool to have worked with him and I agree with everything you've said about just like his films and you can see his care in his projects. And it's like, as just a fan, it's just like when Ben Affleck's in the news, either like some sort of mean meme, you know, talking about his relationship status,

and then sandwiched in between like these two, you know, extraordinary projects. Where like people talk about him as if he's's at the tail end of his career, but he's constantly just putting out banger and banger and banger. We just have to put more respect on Ben Affleck's name because I just feel like pop culture,

for some reason, always just likes to pick on the guy. And I don't get it. But I also think that pop culture, sometimes too, they'll pick on people they love, like know, like Keanu Reeves, right? Like everyone loves Keanu Reeves and you have sad Keanu. It's almost like a, it's a rite of passage. That's true. You ready to talk a little Bravo here?

Oh my God. So do you wanna start with the Valley or should we put a close on the season of Beverly Hills? Let's do Bev Hills and then Valley. Okay. I was very excited to watch this final episode, mostly centered around like, you know, Garcelle's exit, you know, the whole like, she wanted to take a group photo

at the beginning of the reunion, and then she was the one who walked away. I was a little shocked when it got to the end, because I thought there was gonna be like a very clear explanation as to like, what triggered Garcelle or why she was upset. And it was kind of unclear. I had the same question. Do you think that she had the intention of pulling that off?

I feel like it was genuine, but do you think that she had the like, this is how I'm gonna exit, like it was premeditated? Yeah. Like I feel like the way, and the camera obviously wasn't on her the whole time, but you could tell that like, they all cheers,

she's holding her drink, everyone's then putting their drink down, she kind of like gathers up her dress, it's like she waits for her moment, and then is like, I'm outta here, I'm not taking, like waited for Andy to be like, all right, let's take the group photo. Like she was like, if I like the drink, I'm gonna stay, and if I hate the drink, I'm getting the fuck outta here. I'm not taking, like waited for Andy to be like, all right, let's take the group photo. Like she was like, if I like the drink, I'm gonna stay.

And if I hate the drink, I'm getting the fuck outta here. Like it kind of made no sense. Yeah, I wondered the same thing. I almost wish that you could have some sort of like, you know, visual, like behavioral decoder who could like watch her face and then figure out what were the things that were said that really triggered her to just wanna bounce.

Cause I had the same question. I was like, what is like, is there one thing, but it just seems like, I don't know. Nobody was smiling. She did say at the end that she felt like she was kind of like left alone on an island when she called out Dorit and PK on the whole maybe the staged robbery of it all.

I gotta tell you, I'm usually team Garcelle. But if there was people who broke into my house and then like threatened me with like a gun and I had like kids in the house and that shit really went down, I gotta say, if someone said I made that up, you're gonna get a reaction. That's a little gnarly.

Yeah, but I'm with you, Daniela, and I do see both sides, because I've said this on previous episodes, and it seems like from Garcelle's point of view, is that I know from the gossip, talking to other people in this circle, Garcelle is not the only one in this friend group or extended group that suspects that the story they've been told isn't exactly what happened.

Fair enough. But I think there's a big difference between friend gossip behind the scenes and then going on a platform or on this show and just making a flat out accusation without any evidence of illegal shit to the point of Bozeman or Andy. It's just like you're accusing this person

of a federal crime and it's just like. Right, that's hardcore. This is a little different than just like gossip among friends and the fact that Garcelle was so upset with the rest of her peers, I guess for not having her back, it's just like again, there's a difference between gossip and like, well hey, I didn't know you were gonna sit there

and platform this rumor and die on this hill. It just, it was surprising. I didn't get that. And I will say, I don't feel like she was ganged up on more than anybody else. I was like Sutton got hers, Dorit got hers, Kyle got hers. So it's kind of like, she clearly internalized it,

but it was just like, I don't know why when given the opportunity to share what you're feeling, she must've been deciding in that moment, I'm done. I don't need to answer your questions because I won't be coming back. Why wouldn't you want to clear that up? I almost felt like part of the reason why she was upset

is almost like she felt like she didn't get enough air time at the reunion, because she was pretty quiet throughout this three-part reunion. There wasn't a lot of Garcelle. But that's why I'm saying, I think that she was planning to bounce this whole time. Or I suspect anyway. If you know you're gonna leave,

you're looking at the clock and you're like, are we done yet? And then I'm gonna have my grand exit because maybe I've had a sleepy season. Yeah, you're right. Her body language, kind of the whole time was just kind of quietly sitting there. She said she was not answering questions anymore.

And then she still answered questions. Yeah. Do you guys think that a lot of it had to do with Sutton? I think this reunion showed very clearly that Sutton wanted to prioritize her relationship with Kyle and Erica and even, I mean, not Dorit, but a little bit even Dorit. And then Garcelle's like,

okay, then I'll just like go fuck myself then. If you're not gonna be my ally here. Totally. It did seem like the first time that Sutton and Garcelle were in a bit of a squabble. Yeah. Right, and then they asked about Sutton's behavior and usually Garcelle's like, no, I understand why,

or like tries to reason with and she's like, yeah, no, I would say that that would be a bear. And by the way, I don't approve of Sutton's behavior this season. Like I really did not, and she's like, yeah, no, I would say that that would be a bear. And by the way, I don't approve of Sutton's behavior this season, like I really did not like when she's like, well, my wallet is. Yep. I'm thinking to myself like, I'm also thinking to myself like,

but you married someone who had money. Yeah. Girl, you didn't go and earn that. You married somebody. I mean, granted, you could also say that she probably, rightfully so, contributed to his wealth because that's oftentimes what happens, right? Unpaid labor of women and the wife

and the mother and these things. But I was just like, that is such a lame ass thing that I really just, I couldn't stand that. But I'll say this, I did go, what year was this? This was like maybe two or three years ago. I went into Sutton's store in West Hollywood and I walked in and she was there and she's like, oh, hey, how's it in West Hollywood, and I walked in, and she was there, and she's like, oh hey, how's it going?

Sorry, this place is the best bottle of blood. Do you want some wine? Here, and then she poured me champagne, and I gotta say, I was treated like royalty when I walked in. She didn't know anything about me, and then we just had, I don't know how many little Prosecco's, just chit-chatting, gift a gab and talking.

It was pretty funny. I've heard stories like that about Sutton many times, so not surprised to hear that. And watching this, I've always been a big fan of Dorit as a character on the show, but watching these past few episodes, like totally with you on the Sutton money comment, it was just kind of like tacky, it was beneath her,

like it was just a bad look. And how do I wanna say this, it's just like when Sutton's mean, because Sutton can be very defensive and she never admits she's wrong, like most of the housewives don't ever admit when they're wrong, but I don't think, I think when Sutton is mean, it's a reaction to her feeling threatened, right? And sometimes things come out the wrong way.

And with Dorit, I think when Dorit's mean, she seems very in control. Like, it's almost like a meanness is like something she relies on as a tactic to like, you know, get her through social situations. Does that make any sense? Because it just, she seems so in control when she's mean. Where Sutton just always feels like she's just unraveling

if she says something that you're like, ugh, I don't know, that was a little mean. Yeah, I think Dorit is okay and feels confident being the captain of her ship when it gets mean. Whereas you could tell Sutton feels really uncomfortable. She doesn't want, she doesn't like being there. That's not her, you know, her safe zone. I feel like Sutton really hates conflict.

Can we get a show with just Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly? And like, they have to like do, go on some adventure like a treasure hunt together? Like Crappy Lake, but with Jennifer Tilly and Kathy. Finding ghosts? Like ghost hunting with Jennifer Tilly and Kathy H. Finding ghosts, like ghost hunting with Jennifer Tilly and Kathy Hill.

And Mary Crosby. Oh my God. And Mary Crosby, yes. And they just get like lost and forget that they're on a show. Yeah. Yeah, we need Maryam Cosby on that as well. Jennifer Tilly saying she wished she slept

with more above the line talent, but she only dated character actors and squishy comedians. Squishy comedians is my favorite. Oh yeah. Anything else about Bev Hills? I mean, other than like, I just really hope that next season, you know what's really, I didn't realize watching this, I didn't realize that every single one

of the Beverly Hills Housewives, other than Bozeman, is a single woman. You know, like a franchise that was usually based off of like Housewives in a relationship that so many of these women are now single and I remember going into this season like wishing or hoping that this would be the season where we get to see like Kyle date or Dorit date. It's like, all right, well, if you're gonna be single,

I wanna, how these women interact in their relationships and love lives is something I wanna see. And I don't wanna see it in the form of Kyle talking about Mo again and again and again. Do you wanna get back together? I suspect that they're gonna do a turnaround. I suspect that, you know, they did with New York. I suspect that that's coming with Beverly Hills.

Oh, like revamp? A whole recast? I feel like it. I mean, I don't like, I like the ladies. You know, when they switched up New York, I mean, shout out to the new cast. I also enjoy the new show, but I literally wanted to see those ladies deep,

deep into their senility, keep going. Like I didn't want that to die. I wanted to watch that forever. Like there will never be another Ramona singer. No, they will not, hopefully. It did come out that the former View co-host, Debbie Metinopoulos is in talks for casting on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

after Garcelle's departure. So she said that she's currently in talks with them. So I'm like- Interesting. Can we bring up a picture of her? It doesn't ring a bell. Oh, okay. She was on the view? She looks like a housewife.

She was on MTV. I close that. I just want, I just hope Bozeman is back. If they do a revamp, I just want her. She looks like good drama. Right? And she knows the tea on people. So I feel like she's like, no, I know you.

She'll be like Camille part two. Right? Yeah. Oh yeah, Camille. Just dropping hints and little like bombs. But yeah, I don know you. She'll be like Camille part two. Right. Oh yeah, Camille. Just dropping hints and little like bombs. But yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, some of the storylines are getting a little,

I don't know. The Erica Jane season was like amazing. Yeah. Like that was great. Although I will say she's had the best, I think, come around. Like I love her story because she was pretty brutalized that season and they were going in on her. Like, she was bait.

And I think, like, she's like one of my favorite people now. Yeah, I like the way that she's able to articulate herself now versus like getting so angry and reactive. Now she's just kind of like, no, you said this, it bothers me, why are you acting like we have a problem? We've squashed it. I'm just letting you know, you kick women when they're at their lowest. And she's just kind of like, no, you said this, it bothers me, why are you acting like we have a problem? We've squashed it, I'm just letting you know, you kick women when they're at their lowest. And she's not wrong?

And she's not wrong. She's definitely not wrong about that. The only thing that Erika's wrong about is the earrings. Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. I have a hard time letting that one go. But other than that, she's really, yeah. Her comeback is great. And I think we mentioned this a few weeks ago,

to your point, Daniela, it's just like, when they say, it's like, once you fly first class, it's hard to go back. Well, Erica's whole life was first class, you know? Opulence, just everything, designer. And you know, say what you want. Like, it's incredibly hard for people to go backwards. You know, a lot of very successful, very wealthy people

have done, you know, have made some horrible decisions about their lives and their lives literally ended when they lost it all. And to her credit, she showed a lot of resiliency, picked herself back up, she started over. Yeah, she's still a lot going for her as a housewife and things like that, but like it's credit to her for not giving up because a lot of people have experienced what she's experienced

and literally gave up. Yeah. How are you feeling about the valley? The millennial nightmare that is the valley. The walls are melting. Last night, the premiere for my movie is tonight, so I have some family that are in town and my aunt was watching, she's never seen anything. She's never seen Vanderbilt, she does not know this world. And she's like watching 10 minutes and she's like, why are we watching this show with all these fucked up people? Because it gets your mind off your own problems.

I just, I don't even, so, so many thoughts, but man, it just, it came out with a bang. This shit is messy. Oh yeah. Yeah. From, from the jump, I mean, the thing I laughed most about was when they were inshowing Jesse and Michelle and they were both kind of talking about their new partners and what they liked about their new partners. And I was like, you guys just sound like two people

who are reminiscing what it was like to meet each other when you first started dating. You know, it's just like, well, he does this and then she does that. And it's like, yeah, I'm sure you guys did that with each other like 15 years ago. And like the way they talk about is if they finally are appreciated

and they finally discovered someone who sees them for who they are. And it's just like, that's just because you haven't hated each other yet. It was just like, nothing about what they were describing was like, they probably had in their relationship, but it was just hilarious to see the way they talked about each other without just acting like these new people

in their lives are the kind of like they're you know they're saviors in relationships. Yeah there's a lack of emotional maturity there I think on both parts. The thing that kind of bugged me about that storyline which is so funny because after watching the first season my boyfriend kept being like god she's so annoying she's so annoying she sucks she sucks and then this season I told him, I was like, you know, I know that she annoys you. I was like, but he, and she's not, obviously she's not perfect, but he's really making this shit toxic.

Yup. The toxicity is coming from him. And it's like, you love your kid so much, but if you love the child so much and you want what's best for your child, then what the fuck are you both doing? Get your shit together. I almost feel guilty watching this show

and enjoying it so much, especially as a relatively new parent, because it's like, it really doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong between Jesse and Michelle. It's like you're both kind of terrible parents to just like put your childhood trauma on display as you guys openly admit your pettiness about each other while not even be able to just look at your child and say, we can hate each other all we want,

but like let's just be a team when it comes to our kid. And it's tough to watch this level of toxicity kind of just be accepted while we're watching it as normal behavior. And it's just like, there's a real kid in this equation that's like, it feels almost wrong to allow to be filmed in a weird way. Yeah, it just feels so, it feels unhealthy.

I hope that they are both in therapy. And I've seen this in real life where the parents feel they have this vindictive sense about each other and they're so resentful and angry. And it's like, how long are you gonna be angry? Like Jesse, how long are you gonna be pissed off? Like you need to like put the shit aside, but not until season four of The Valley.

Yeah. I mean, if there's a silver lining, it's just like maybe they're just showing, maybe they're putting a lens to all the parents who sadly have to deal with divorce. Cause I'm sure, you know, when you're going through it, you really don't see yourself. You don't see how you're acting.

You just feel like a victim to your partner and things like that. So I don't know, maybe there is a silver lining for people who going through this to be like, God, I hope we're not like that, and things like that. But I would have thought that Jesse, being new to reality TV,

I was pretty critical of him season one, just because of how he treated Michelle or just how he talked about being a dad. He really came across as often incredibly petty and douchey. And I just wondered if maybe he would watch it back, whether it was the edit or say what you want. But it's just like, so far, episode one, I'm not seeing a ton of growth from Jesse, I'm not seeing a guy who just like,

wants to like, just be less douchey looking, or just wants to be thought of as like, a dad who gives a shit, or at least an apologetic ex-husband, because like, yeah, I mean, Michelle, maybe she left you, maybe there's some things, some overlapping, but like, yeah, he did give her a lot of reasons to like, wanna leave that relationship. He was, but yeah, he did give her a lot of reasons to want to leave that relationship.

He was a petty guy, he wasn't supportive, he was often mean. It's just like, no one could watch him on season one and be like, yeah, that's who I want to be in a relationship with. You would think he would want to learn. And the one good thing about these ensemble casts that come back for recurring season after recurring season

is if usually, if you're willing to learn and you get a bad edit or a recurring season after recurring season, as if like usually, if you're willing to learn and you get a bad edit or a bad beat on one season, you have a chance for like a bounce back or a redemption. You know, and so I'm kinda hoping that for Jessie, but so far, like I'm not holding my breath. Yeah, it also sucks that it's playing out on TV and then like obviously that footage will be there forever.

So it's not preventing Isabella from seeing anything, but I'm, like, kind of hoping or, like, I wonder if it's better that it is playing out on television, because then they're trying to, like, win the divorce through the audience versus, like, usually you hear it being put on the kid, where it's like, your dad does this or your mom's a terrible person or whatever, where it's like, instead they're trying

to convince us, like, who's the better parent versus, like, and Isabella seems fine, as far as I know, but I'm just like, it's sad that this're trying to convince us. Like who's the better parent versus like, and Isabella seems fine as far as I know, but I'm just like, it's sad that this will forever be there, but I'm just like hoping that it's like the toxicity is being aimed at us versus like keeping it in the family. Or maybe that's part of the storyline. Maybe it starts off just like a total shit show and then people grow up by the end.

All the Jack stuff is pretty dark. It's pretty like- We didn't talk about Jacks. Yeah. Her being like, I don't wanna be in the same room with him without someone else present. Like he's not allowed to be alone with my child. That's crazy.

Is he taking testosterone? Cause he needs to chill. Yeah. Well, no one's been a bigger Jacks critic than me. I will say though, this is not in any way defense of Jax, but it is more of a criticism of Brittany, and it's similar to the Jessie and Michelle of it all. It's like she says all these things about Jax, she's been very critical of him online, on the internet,

she's saying these very scary accusations about Jax, but yet she is leveraging this situation for her, and I get it, you're a reality TV star, so get your bag, but it's like, at what point is this real? And show aside, is it just healthy for her to remove herself and her child from this incredibly toxic environment? At one point, do we ask that question?

Because it's like, one thing we know about Jax, it's like he's never gonna learn. He has never learned, he's never shown any growth. Honestly, that scene when he walks into the bar, it really just like reminded me like in adult life, there are winners and losers. And I don't mean like, even winners lose. As an actor, you have not gotten more jobs

than you've gotten, right? And to me, being a winner in life, in adult life, is you fail and you're resilient and you figure out a way to overcome obstacles, and you're gonna fail a shit bunch of times. And then the losers are the people in adult life who just constantly victimize themselves, blame others for their problems.

It's always someone else. And like when Jax walked into that bar and all his buddies, I'm like, this is just a group of men who are, they're just losers. You know, everything else is someone else's fault. That's just the vibe I get with Jax and his buddies, and it's just like, he's

just never gonna learn. And they're just so petty. Apparently it just came in that the beer cheese is off the menu at Jax's for the Valley viewing party. Beer Chase. Yeah, Matt and Moll's beer cheese has been crossed off on all of the menus. Okay. Go Jax. Go Jax. That's all I do is quote Britney as I'm watching. And also, I think that when he went to get help, which I feel weird talking about someone's mental health, but I mean, they're all very public people, so I guess it's fair game and

here we are. But I think he's undiagnosed bipolar. That's a pretty... Serious. Right. That's a pretty severe thing to go unchecked, unmedicated. So hopefully after that diagnosis, maybe he can start to get treated. But that's also meant, oh, that whole thing is brutal.

Then that's also a tough one because it's obviously a very serious illness that many people suffer from. And if you're not medicated, you can put yourself and others in bad situations. And it's like, it's very tough, I guess as a fan, to know, it's just like, am I watching someone with a mental health struggle right now,

who really can't control what they're doing? You know, or am I watching someone who has made a history of making up bullshit stories and monetizing drama and knowing how to lean in, it's very confusing with Jax. Right, where I have to deal with my mental health struggles in private, so you do get paid for, one gets paid. Yeah, I mean, it's a real mind fuck to know what's what, and he's shown to have no moral compass,

so it's like, this is a very serious thing we should respect and obviously going, we wanna commend anyone who goes and tries to get help and gets treatment, but this is also a guy who has shown a willingness to have no shame and like using storylines like this to his own benefit. So it's like, well, which one is, you know? It's like, it's very icky, you know,

just watching Jax Taylor on TV. Yeah, it is. And also him sort of pointing out that, oh, you're being seen with this guy, you're dating this guy, isn't that so lame? I can't believe she's doing that. And I'm like, oh my God, Jax has been seen with everybody. I mean, there was a while there, it was like every week,

it was like some different OnlyFans looking girl walking with Jax in a parking parking lot coming out of somewhere. And I was just like, this guy is a mess. I mean, maybe at this point, he knows, like I am the problem. You know, I don't, I don't know. Um, but, uh, I've been watching me. I've been watching him for years. Like, I don't think he's 45 and that's a little too old B.

You know what I mean? Like, I mean, he's already grown up. Yeah. Are you excited about some of the Vanderpump people making cameos on the Valley, or are you just more like, move on? Okay, I'm gonna tread lightly here, because I am a devout Vanderpumpette,

pumpy, pump-pumple. I've been watching them for years. I watched them since close to the beginning season. So I feel like I've been with these people. Also true story, I hung out with Ariana and Tom Sandoval at my Jurassic Dominion premiere, which was crazy. That was like a mutual beneficial. Like they were clinging to us

because like we were in the movie, but I was like, oh my God, they're here. Like, we have to hang out with them, which was amazing. And then I unfollowed Tom Sandoval after the Ariana stuff happened because it was Team Ariana. But I still have love for Sandoval, even though he's Sandoval. Wait, what the? What were we talking about again? Them going on to the valley. Oh, we have Vanderpump. Right. Vanderpump. So I've been watching it forever. So what I'm about to say is, these are people who I love and enjoy.

However, if I'm just being perfectly honest, when I saw that Sheena and Lala, look, they need a paycheck and they are mothers. And so that comes first and foremost, right? People need a paycheck. However, when I heard that they were joining the Valley, I was a teeny bit bummed. I still wanna see them.

I just didn't wanna see them in the Valley world. Like I just wanted, I feel like these universes need to be separated a little bit, but it's all getting really Marvel with each other. So it's like, you know, it's gotta make their cameo. I see what you're saying, but I do, I do in some ways like that this original cast of the Valley is being pushed in a way to to deliver good content.

Because it's like, I feel like this is a concept that, for all his faults, it sounds like Jack Taylor was the brain shell behind this concept and kind of got a lot of his friends. It was a pretty good idea. Yeah, I think so. And then just kind of put it together and it was a great idea, right?

Especially after Vanderpump, it's like we know it. They're not aspiring actors and singers and performers anymore. They're just reality TV stars. And it kind of like, the whole plot of the main premise of the show kind of lost itself after a few seasons of Vanderpump. Where the Valley, it's very much like parents

trying to make, live in California, just like even just Danny talking about like the cost of living in Los Angeles versus like moving out to the suburbs, these like very relatable, like midlife conversations that, you know, so I love the premise, but like, I don't know if this original cast is enough. Like, I don't know if Janet's like here to stay for me,

for the Valley, you know, I don't know. Like, and I do- Wait, which one's Janet? The one that gave the fake apology or the back Oh, okay. The one who's a husband walks around with no wedding ring. Yep. I gotcha. Yeah. Oh, yeah I don't know if chance Here to stay so like I do like that. They're you know, at least nothing else bringing in people to like keep it fresh Challenge these people to like, you know give more of themselves because like the premise

of the Valley I think is excellent, you know, and the storylines, I wonder how much we can get out of these characters like going into like a third or fourth season. Sierra, were there any other storylines that we missed, Bravo wise, that we wanted to run through? Storylines or headlines? Storylines, I was gonna ask how you guys felt

about Janet's apology to Kristen. That was a kind of lame apology. Well, she called Zach, she said, sorry, I dragged you in with the demonic behavior. And it was very much like a backhanded, like, I'm not taking responsibility. It's not your fault that you're friends with a terrible person. And it's just like... Now, I wish reality TV stars just learned a little more about accountability.

You know when Jesse actually made that apology to Kristin? I was like, I really enjoyed that. That was so like no strings attached, no like butt, or you know, I mean, you did kind of like, it was none of that. I thought that was like a clean, nice apology. I, yeah. You know when they always say there's smoke, there's fire?

Like with Kristin, you might get like an exacerbated story. She might exaggerate, but like, you know, if she's talking about some smoke, there's at least a little bit of a flicker of a flame. Like she's not making stuff up. You know what I'm saying? Like you can't, I would never discredit Kristin. You know, she is dynamic and expressive

and sometimes, you know, says things or you're a little out of pocket, but she's not a liar. Yeah, that's true. She's a lot of things, but that's not one of them. Like I can't think of a lot of times where she just straight up made something up. Yeah. No.

No. Do you remember Jo? Jo and Schwartz? Jo, my gosh. Jo, my gosh? No. She was the one that was kind of dating Schwartz on and off. Oh, yes.

Yeah, the blonde girl. Yes. Still kind of dating Schwartz on and off. Oh yes, you had the blonde girl. Yes, still in love with Schwartz. Well, it came out that Schwartz is recently single and she did a Q&A answering questions about him and saying that she had a lack of closure, but she's still blocked by him, but thinks that their relationship. Why did he block her?

She posted a tribute to him almost in their relationship while he was in this new relationship with his girlfriend being like, it's been a year, but I still have love for this person. We're talking like a novel with photos and memories and whatnot. And so he had to block her because he was telling her, like, respect my relationship. Right.

But yeah, now she's back on social media answering questions about him. I was going to say, there's other men. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a weird obsession. You're young, him. I was gonna say there's other men. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a weird obsession. You're young, white and hot, like the world's your oyster.

Just go find another guy. It's easy. Yeah, I mean, to ask why he blocked her, because it's been three years and she's still talking about him. It's kind of giving obsessive in a weird way. Or she thinks that Schwartz is her career path and maybe that maybe it's a financial thing like deep down.

That's why she keeps sort of chasing that can. Maybe she can be a friend of a friend of the valley. Right. I have a soft spot for Schwartz. I feel like his big weakness is trying to like help the losers, you know? Like I think he's like, Schwartz has fallen into success his whole life.

He's never really had a job. He's this great looking guy who was a male model and then fell into this TV show and he has just way too much empathy for his guy friends who have never wanted to grow up. And at some point, that's a little bit of his responsibility but he does seem to have a pretty good head on his shoulders and is a thoughtful, considerate guy.

He just can never let go of the people who seem to be bringing him down. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're all apex Peter Pan people, like hardcore. But I do agree with you. I think that at the heart of Schwartz is always rooting for the underdog and the villain eyes.

And I think deep, deep, deep down, I mean, I think that he's a good guy. It seems like he's a good guy. Yeah, we love him. He's a sandball. He is, he's crazy, psycho, a sandball is. He's doing the best he can. That's what I think about sandball. I, you know, I, you know, I got, I got, you know,

he's certainly imperfect. He's got a unique moral compass, but like I do think you can do far worse as a friend. With Tom at least. Yeah, they all have pages in the DSM. I just think with Tom he's so, he is who he is. Like he, he won't surprise you if you just pay attention. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, he's very clear on what you can count on him for and what you can't. And for me, like, I don't mind people like attention, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, he's very clear on what you can count on him for and what you can't. And for me, like, I don't mind people like that, you know? I just, I know what not to ask of Tom Sandoval, you know? It's the people who oversell what you can expect of them and make you trust them and yada yada. But anyways, I don't need to keep defending Tom Sandoval. Daniela, this has been so much fun.

Please come back anytime you wanna talk reality TV or Bravo with us, but more importantly, congratulations on The Accountant 2. Everyone listening, take your friends, take your boyfriend, take him to the movies. It's so good, it's a lot of fun. For the ladies out there, you're gonna love it, and your boyfriend or husband or partner,

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