The Viall Files - E92 Bachelor Recap - Ep 7: Oh Lord with Lauren Lapkus

Episode Date: February 11, 2020

Today the hilarious Lauren Lapkus joins us to discuss the latest episode of The Bachelor. We talk about Natasha’s pity date, discuss whether Kelley is a villain or a hero, and wonder at the probability that Peter ends up with Madison in the end. Next up, hometowns! Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: IMPERFECT FOODS: https://www.imperfectfoods.com/VIALL  HIDRATE SPARK: https://hidratespark.com CODE: VIALL ECHELON: https://echelonfit.com/viall  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What is going on everybody welcome to another episode of the Vow Files Bachelor recap edition happy whatever Monday night Tuesday morning I don't know when you guys get to these. Joined by my producer, Rochelle. How you doing, Rochelle? Good, how are you? So effing good. Great episode today. We love Lauren Lapkus so much. Lauren Lapkus, a very talented actor, actress.

I don't know what the right way to say it. Comedian. Improviser. Improviser. Podcast star. Podcast star. And most importantly, above all things bachelor super fan she has been watching for some time helps us break down this episode um she was so lovely

not that as any surprise but um great great great questions great insight uh it was fun i really enjoyed uh chatting with la Lauren I always sometimes forget like as much as people watch it the it's like we were breaking it down and Lauren's just like but what about this

yeah it's the behind the scenes stuff that's fun um so we we have some fun with Lauren um before we get to Lauren

I had a a wild wild interaction on the old internet. I always, you know, I don't necessarily, people say timing is everything, which I guess, I don't know, sometimes true. But I recently had a girl DM me. Nothing new there, huh? But it was wild because this particular girl i don't know how else to say this but like i was borderline obsessed with her four years ago really i've

never met four years ago so when i when i when i know when i first met to when i first moved to la um i there was a this exclusive dating app some people are on that i it was this it was new so yeah everyone was trying to get on and um i was like ah fuck it i'll just go on i don't really know anyone i'm thinking it was way to meet people and so it's the first day i'm on i'm swiping i'm swiping everyone's this hot it's just a bunch of hot people and i came across this one particular person and i'm i'm matching all over the place because everyone's like when everyone's new everyone's just right you're betting a thousand right so i matched i i saw this one and just for whatever reason i don't know why i thought this one seems unique this like it was

i don't know it was a bunch of hot people but for whatever reason i was tuned in it said she liked star wars i don't even know i don't't know why. And it didn't match. And then 20 minutes later, I'm on vacation. Boom. I'm in the car with Kyle. We all remember Kyle on New Year's Day. And I go, whew. And Kyle goes, you should write that. Just write, I just yelled with excitement. And I wrote, my first opening line was, I just yelled it with excitement. We go back and forth. We're chatting it up a little bit and i was like hey let's get together or something she's like yeah sure whatever i don't know back and forth and on a sunday afternoon i remember this i was watching the packers and i got a

message from her she gave me her cell phone number she's like hey do you want to grab a coffee this afternoon or a tea i don't know something like that i was like oh really because at first i was trying to meet up and she was like yeah not available and then i was like i'm watching i'm a big packer fan and i was just like and i remember they weren't very good that year and i think they were losing i was like okay fine maybe and i just said to her are so like you available later because i'm watching the packer game i must really want to meet up with you because the Packers around. She goes, oh, I don't want you to miss the game.

We can always go another time. And in the moment, I thought to myself, this is a mistake. I should just meet this person. I really wanted to meet her. Fast forward a day. I followed up. I was like, yeah, so let's grab that coffee this week.

And she goes, I just Googled you. And she had a few questions about the bachelor and my nightmare became a reality and my insecurity of anyone i feel like i want to go out with i feel like that's that person would probably judge the show that i was on and i had this line to her that i used and it was like Google is like that friend you hung out with once and they go around telling everyone they're your best friend but in reality they don't really know you that well she laughed she had a few questions and then she

went dark I didn't hear from her I playfully was like I think once every month I was like so how about that drink and it just kind of you know this went on for four or five months where like every like six weeks i'd be like i'll throw a text fuck it i don't care um and then it just faded away and then i remember i remember when i was asked to be the bachelor

and they were like hey nick it's like who tell me show me some girls that you're into like what i was like oh i've been like trying to get this girl to go out with me for like ever i'm pretty sure one of the producers even she lives in la like even like followed her on like even like dm'd her seeing if maybe we'll just ask her to come and nothing happened i got a dm from this chick nice like three days ago she said she was like she's a big fan of nikki glazer nikki glazer is helping me wing woman anyways I'm a little perplexed perplexed because I just wrote back I have so many questions I don't even think she remembers four years ago oh it was just like a very cold dm like no she's like you know she was

clearly hitting on me she was like oh you and Nikki slated or something and then she kind of laughed the fact because oh and then I had a DM I wrote her like two years ago yeah it was like it was after Vanessa and I broke yeah I remember after Vanessa I broke up I was just like and I think I she like showed up in my feet I was like I remember this chick I'm like fuck it I'll just a year later or two

years later like I'll see if she wants to have a cup of coffee she's your white whale no and then so anyway she referred to like oh I she was sliding into my DM. Having listened to my episode with Nikki, I'm pretty sure Nikki and I joked about sliding into DMs. So here she goes to slide into my DM. I slid into her DM two years ago.

Not even remembering that I, like we probably matched and we're talking two years ago and she just ghosted me. Anyways. You don't think she would remember that? I don't know. I don't know if she

remembers she remembers um i but i went i went hard to the paint um so i don't know today no like four years ago i was like i i remember really wanting to go out with this so what's happening now i don't know i mean this was like a couple days ago i think i owe it to myself to at least have a drink is are you did you respond to her dm yeah i said i have so many questions and then what'd she say uh i don't and i asked her like what made her listen the episode i was kind of being coy it's just like you i was like do you not remember like how like because i don't have her cell phone number anymore this was years ago but if we exchange numbers again there's like a strong chance that she's gonna like have old messages and it's probably gonna be like five messages unresponded i'd have blocked you uh no but you

know when you get and again it wasn't like oh it was like over the course of like i was fucking around over the course of a year i'd be like hey remember the guy you just like because she just stopped responding like mid i think this would be funny if she was not a real person she's just a figment of your imagination she's probably a woman i'm being made up in your mind i'm being catfished honestly well that's the thing it's been four years and i look back she's still very cute like obviously the maybe she's the one the excitement i had before it's like it's not the same i have this like outside it's like i remember how i have this like outside of, it's like, I remember how I felt. I remember being excited. And now I'm just like, ah, okay, well, I guess now, you know, and it's funny because I think to myself, she, she's like, I think in her early

thirties now, four years ago, she was probably like 28. And I was just like, you know what? At 28, I wasn't good enough. At 28, she was young, ambitious. She's hoping she's going to, you know, meet the, the actor in town, the young director. She's hoping she's going to meet the actor in town, the young director. She Googles me. Ugh, reality TV. Now it's just like, now she's in her early 30s. Now it's like.

Essential oils. You know what? Fuck it. He's got a podcast now. Yeah, the reality TV, but like. You're in a whole other tier. I'm not getting any younger. She's just like, I'm now acceptable for her to go that way. Well, you better give us an update. I hope she's just she's just like i'm i'm i'm now acceptable for her to go well you well

you better give us an update i hope she's the one i don't know i just think it's funny because i just remember being very very into it four years ago and then out of nowhere i get this dm wow anyways the journey continues for me this is the most you've talked about your love life, I think, in the history of the show. Well, it's a safe story. All right, well, Lauren Lapkus, Imperfect Foods. You know what? It's hard to feel left out sometimes. And same goes with your produce.

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Very excited to have you. I'm very excited. I've been hoping to have you in to help us recap one of these episodes for some time. I'm so excited.

I've like, I started recapping them on my Instagram stories and it became like my full-time job. So I'm really excited. I'm taking this week off just because I'm going to

just talk it out here with you. well i'm sorry for interrupting the instagram no this is a blessing but we are we are glad to have you it is it's i mean as you now realize like being invested in the bachelor recapping it's a full-time it takes everything it's all my free time all of a sudden like hey another five hours this week. Why was it so many hours? I don't know. The second they were like and there'll be another one on Wednesday I was like no I love this

but it means I have to like watch so many hours this week. First they were like oh we have two episodes this week and I was like okay and then they'll send you know we get sent the screeners and there's no commercials

and so I'm like oh this must be all jammed up because it was longer. Like no no monday's three hours long and then we have two more hours why was that i don't know i guess i think it's just a lot of yeah i think they it's all content driven i wasn't mad when i was watching it it was just once i heard there were two more hours i mean i i complain but i got through it yeah yeah i have no social life but yeah um always like to use uh this time up front to get your thoughts on the on the season um oh man how are you feeling about peter's love journey the women and peter okay i think peter's fine i think

he's like he's so sweet and wholesome yes that my part of what i wish for him is that he wasn't on the show because i feel like he would just meet someone in his life and it would just happen naturally he's like young and like it could just happen right like i don't know the construct of the show can make it so difficult so i do i worry a little bit about his uh the the rush of course it's what happened what happens every season but like him rushing into something that may not be the exact right thing. I'm not sure about any of these people for him. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I kind of agree with you.

We got to, we have Peter on our show tomorrow. I saw that. So he was wonderful. I think people really will enjoy listening to him and, and he tells some great stories and I think they'll start to understand kind of why he's doing what he's doing okay but he is just a really sweet guy and i agree agree with you he's just so incredibly earnest and so he's decided to just truly be all in like every bachelor bachelorette you have to buy in you do

like you have to be like if i'm gonna do this is the situation. But some are like with me, I was like, all right, this is what it is. It's still insane. Yeah. But like, I'm going to go for it. And I would, Peter's, he's like, he's full on drinking the Kool-Aid. Yeah. And I think his family's really invested. Like that clip they keep showing of his mom, like bring her home.

I'm like, oh my, something is going down. Everyone is like yeah parents that want it want this habit yes oh my god so to that sense it's like i really hope this works out because me too we learn tomorrow that peter has a soft heart i do not want him to get his heart broken it looks like he's about to the preview from next week i was like oh no i'm i'm a little worried for peter's heart i'm afraid he's gonna end up like me um i watch it and i'm like i do see a lot there's a there's some differences of peter and i yeah but i watch and it's just like man that that reminds me of 28 year old me yeah and it's just like oh poor kid must be weird to watch it from that perspective

having gone through that and like uh yeah i mean it's like i'm a little older than peter and so it's that just going through it and just more like i more like watch it as like a a big brother being like oh oh yeah you just have more years yeah yeah yeah you know uh well that's what i think a lot of times watching the 22 year old girlsold girls on the show. And I'm like, when I was 22, not to say that you can't be like totally together at 22, but I wasn't. And I would have made horrible choices. And the idea of going on to a show to get married at 22 would have been a big mistake for me.

So I just feel nervous when I see some of these girls who are so young. They're just fully. And they're just so, of course, you fall in love with him. It's like, yeah, it's built that way.'s cute it's great like of course i'm sure when you were 22 you weren't like i'm so young i'm too young to do anything you're like i'm fucking old man like bring it on life i can go to bars yeah uh that's the problem with 22 i know you think you're so mature and ready for everything are you enjoying uh the women i mean there's been some criticism of the group of women this season

from people uh what are your thoughts i feel like uh there are some good eggs mixed in there but there was a lot of drama this season it felt like i feel like so many people wasted their time telling him the bullshit that had gone down behind the scenes. I'm like, you're going to be kicked off. The second you start telling him all this stuff that happened with another girl, like you're out. It's over.

You just seem annoying. You seem dramatic. It's not cool. You seem like you have problems. Like you just have to go in there and just not talk about any of that shit. Like just talk about your life, what you're interested in. I don't know if that's possible for people at that point because you're so stressed by the house but i think about that when i when i watch it right

because it's even if you've you've seen a number of episodes oh my god if you went on as a contestant you would just be like don't do this lauren yeah right you tell yourself i mean we kind of saw it happen with um the kelly the woman that he had met before or kelsey or which one is she kelly she's yeah we'll get into kelly yeah but there was like the feeling that he had met before or Kelsey or which one is she Kelly yeah she's yeah we'll get into Kelly yeah but there was like the feeling that she was like the strong survive like you come in with a mentality that you think will get you through the whole thing no I love Kelly this episode me too love love her the whole time I actually thought she was gonna be one of the bottom two or top two well you know I guess depends how you look at it yeah maybe

if you're the last uh but yeah no you wonder it's just like but you really are in a bubble there um yeah i mean even for me it was my second time around the only the only time i ever talked shit about someone was uh sean and caitlin season and that was because caitlin i mean it was not just caitlin but you know it was not just Caitlin but you know it was like they were just whole thing between Sean and I and Caitlin was just like no I want to know I want to know and I'm like fine fuck it I hate the guy you know like you know it was a little bit of that but even then I still wish I didn't do it I still like regretted being like just totally don't fucking do it but I think on some level like I get that because

you're like well I want to share with this person that I'm dating that like this is my personality this person's annoying to me like you can understand that about me and that might lead to something positive but it doesn't usually so uh we start the episode we are where are we now i really enjoy their opening scene very beautiful b-roll i think some really mountain landscapes i gotta say i'm, I am jealous of the South America tour. Where did you go? We went to Wisconsin, which was cool, which was their Cleveland. But that was more fortuitous because we were supposed to go to South Carolina, but a hurricane hit. But, you know, whatever.

South Carolina, Wisconsin. I actually was glad that I got to take them to my hometown. I thought, like, why don't they do more of that? Yeah. Then we went to New Orleans, which was cool. I hadn't been to my hometown. That seemed like, I thought like, why don't they do more of that? Then we went to New Orleans, which was cool. I hadn't been to New Orleans and then we went to the Virgin Islands,

which was cool. But like, you know, nothing against the Virgin Islands. Like I've been to places like that before, but like Chile and like South America and Peru. Yeah. I guess we're in Peru. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's like, that's really cool. So I'm pretty envious. Yeah, that was a good trip. So they're there and Peter walks in. He's sitting there setting the tone

wanting to let the women know that he's... He's in control now. He's in control. Oh, God. That glass hitting his head, I'm sure you've talked about it, but oh my God,

that clip was just amazing. I'm like, how has that ever happened to anyone? I've never seen a move like that. Like bonking two things at once. Yeah. He hit his head and then hit his glass.

That was so horrible. And that cut his face. But everyone's really turned on by the scar. Everyone's like, your bandage is gone. Like this episode, everyone's upset. Yeah, everyone's like,

oh my God, you're like a bad boy. Kind of hot. It's kind of hot. But you know what? Peter is a sweet boy. of high it's kind of high but you know what peter is a he's a sweet boy he needs a little edge a scar is great for him yeah yeah mystery really good for his breath um so everyone like i gotta say watching this opening scene it really for someone who's done the show a few times yeah it just reminded me just how insane this show is

what element the like all these women like let's go see our boyfriend like there's a lot about it well because it was more the you know it's when you start talking about hometowns and it's just like we're like we're coming up or this is we're in the home stretch here and then the and the women all talk about all the time they haven't had. And I'm just like, you girls don't fucking know this guy at all. Well, that's why it kind of kills me whenever he cancels a cocktail party or something. I'm like, stick around and talk to the people you already like. Why do you need to cancel it just because you know who you're kicking off?

I feel like you could use that time to still get to know people. No? Not really. Why not? Why? Because everyone's that time to still get to know people. No? Not really. Why not? Why? Because everyone's wasted? Everyone just wants to make out with you? Mmm.

It's not necessarily, like, it's not really, What? It's a team decision. Oh. I love behind the scenes stuff. That's juicy.

But in fairness, in fairness, like, truthfully, like, the cocktail parties suck okay really right

I mean I feel like I would hate it because you'd have to stand there in a gown and like be uncomfortable and because that's bad listen the cocktail parties

if you haven't noticed by watching it season after season that's where they get a lot of drama yeah right like it's

because the women are kind of waiting you always go in it's always like set up as some girl be like well tonight you know hopefully tonight's drama-free. And they're always like, I'm going to tell him my story. And it never is.

So he's not there making connections. Okay, that's a great point. And with the people he likes, he's getting like three minutes. Okay, that's really important. And so if they have enough stuff to work with, you don't necessarily need a cocktail party. In my mind, I thought he would get to talk to someone for like 30 minutes, like that it goes on for like so long that like you might actually get some in-depth conversation.

If you're talking for someone for 30 minutes and that has happened, that you've seen parts of the season where the women will kind of give you a time stamp or like he's been there for an hour, you know, and it's just like because that will happen what is but that's all drama driven right that's like the leia and vp like stuff like but when when like they're not gonna let peter there's not enough time to let peter just snuggle with madison for an hour you know like which i'm sure he would yeah that's what I imagine happening. But no one wants to watch that. There's a lot of people on the clock to pay.

Yeah, there's no time for that. And so that's what the 101 forks. But I'm watching this thinking, this is insane. This show is insane. I can't believe I did this. I can't like, but this is the worst week. It is the worst week. This is the hardest one.

I mean, you're really getting down to like who you want to meet, like their family. And you're going to cut people when they're really invested at this point. For the women, it fucking sucks. Why is it worse? You're just, you're so over everyone. You're just fucking done with them. And then it's like you have this small group and you're just like, everything about what Kelly, that's why I love Kelly so much this episode. She's just showing it.

She's like, I don't fucking care. She's like, I'm an attorney. Look at me. I was like, all right. You're like locked in this small house. On Caitlyn's season, we were in Ireland. You know, it's like it's Europe, so it's small, tight rooms to begin with. And like there was, I swear they did it on purpose but they probably

didn't but like the walls were like bright red like the intensity of like i'm just like losing my mind you're like you're in a cage and you're just fucking over everyone and you don't you can't read or do anything right like i mean i feel like they were like you can only have the bible i read something that's not true oh shit i've been like that for years. That's not true. You could have a book. You could have a magazine. Yeah. I mean, like, listen, that might come from if someone's like, I insist on having the Bible.

I'm religious. They'll be like, fine, fuck it. Yeah. Like, all they really want you to do is to be involved, right? So, like, if you're somebody who's checking out, reading books, they might not let that happen. But you just got to be involved. But you're just exhausted, right? but you're just you're just exhausted

right you're just you're over it like even if you've made friends like because a lot of the times you'll have like uh two people who are like bros like in my season ben and sean were close at the time and it's just like you're still like fuck dude you know we'll be friends later but like i fucking hate you right now of course uh so you're just kind of over it right uh i don't know how any of them could like forge a real connection with a friend here because they're dating the same guy like that would just piss me off i don't even if i'm like oh they're cool i'm still like well you kissed him yeah you're super bad but i'm watching and just being like this is insane how are they doing this and then what's weird about this season it does because of so much drama, it seems a little off where like, you got Natasha there. She hasn't even had a date.

Dude. Natasha. Yeah, no, I feel, I felt really bad for her. Then she finally got the date and he was like, it's not going to happen. I was like, shit. That was like, yeah. And she nailed the date. I thought she was great.

She was great. She did fine. Do you feel like he gave her a one-on-one so that he was justified in letting her go in this moment? Yeah. I mean, we talked to Peter about, like, it seemed weird about, like, it seemed like Sydney should have been there. And I only say that not because, like, Sydney was more deserving of Natasha. Natasha's great.

We all love Natasha. She's bringing some sanity to this show. She was the most logical person the entire season. But it was like, oh, God. And maybe that's why they kept her around but like our audience is gonna lose their mind if we yeah but like there was no connection yeah they didn't have a date uh sydney had a date and then all of a sudden sydney peter's like peace yeah it was like okay i guess she's gone so like any other season sydney

would have stayed and then left this week but for some reason those two swapped okay i have a question about when you're eliminating people or you're giving the roses out especially at the beginning first episodes do you have like a thing in your ear of like everyone's name you do remember everyone's name no you you you take breaks oh good i that gives me the most anxiety i'm like how's he gonna remember all these people go in before we say four or five four or five names and it works it worked it had an element of effect because then everyone's getting like they're like what is it there was one there was one gonna wait even longer that's horrible where he said the wrong name and he looked at the person

and then she came up did you see that yes and then he was like oh just kidding oh you know that's who that is you know how sometimes like it happened what was it last week and the was mckenna and uh tammy like the rose ceremony starts he hands out roses and then i was like peter can i talk to you and they'll go leave again and that point probably for like 30 minutes that's a long time right so you're all standing you're standing there but like the the the adrenaline of a rose ceremony it's like starting to pee and then having to stop and hold it midstream it's impossible yeah that is like because like you have this built up adrenaline rose ceremony starts like it sucks and then all of a sudden it's like time out and some people have roses and you don't have a rose and you're like starting to do the math and now there's less

roses than you and then they're out there what're like starting to do the math. And now there's less roses than you. And then they're out there. What are they talking about? Are they? Oh, it's the worst. It's awful. That's awful. I am glad they don't have to memorize everyone.

It feels impossible. There's like 25 people. Honestly, I've been wondering that for years. There's no no headset. Yeah. OK. No. I guess that would cheapen it a bit.

And so. Wait. So, yeah. And then, you know, it a bit. And so, wait, so yeah. And then, you know, Tasha reminds America she hasn't had a one-on-one, so immediately she doesn't get a one-on-one. Right. Just let's fuck with her a little bit more. Fine. I just think the people making this show

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So Madison gets another one-on-one and Peter really likes her. She really likes him. She has a squeal that I find, whew. You don't like it. She's very sweet. I have a question for you. do you feel that you are still

lifting women as much as anyone has on the bed that every time they see him they're getting lifted and their legs are wrapped around i'm like this has never happened in my life i don't know because i'm tall they do the work they're just leaping off they are they do the work i don't know what it is uh it's like part of the show heather mcdonald calls it it's her like we had her uh toddler oh that's exactly it i always do uh when i do my instagram it's like they just like go up and that's a great madison impression she every time she gets excited uh how old is madison what is she like 23. Yeah, she's pretty young. She seems incredibly sweet and incredibly young. I thought it was going to be Madison and Kelly at the final two.

I was banking on that weeks ago. 23. She's cute. She's very cute. Oh, God. Okay, well, do we want to get into everything that happened with her? She told him she was super religious. Super religious.

She's been waiting, though. I was wondering about this. I feel like this is something you bring up pretty early on. Religion. I don't know if you talk politics on this show ever, but things like that are kind of important when you're going to marry somebody. If I was going to marry a guy and found out he was super religious and I'm like, oh, well, I'm not. Is that a problem for you? Then that would be something I want to get to right away that would seem logical yeah

um couple things from a production side you gotta save that it's juicy stuff yeah yeah it's good um and you know it's a it's you just kind of wait and so if if if they know someone's really into someone and they're like i really want to tell them like well you know wait wait so they're having a lot of behind the scenes meetings with these people not necessarily but it's just more it sometimes it comes up and sometimes not but like for example to not to jump around but kelsey brought up her family dynamic on her first one-on-one and now they're talking about it again i liked that though because i thought it was good that she brought it up early because then he's aware of this big thing that she might be worrying about and he was okay with it and then once they get to the third date on this episode and like got into it a little more you could see that like

he was kind of ready for it but then he was really understanding and it was it was kind of more natural i like that i to your point i i'm you're right i would have liked to have seen madison bring it up on the first date kind of plant that seed yeah because like peter's reaction to it i really you know i've dude i empathize with peter because and i know i've been saying i think he picks Hannah Ann. I'm really on the fence after this date with Madison. Why are you on the fence? There's clearly a strong connection there. He told her he loved her, by the way.

I was not okay with that. When he said he's falling for her, he's like, I'm really falling in love with you. No. What do you mean? You can't say that. Why not? If you don't pick her, then you're a complete asshole. He's falling in love.

If you are sitting around with nothing to do all day and a guy tells you they're falling in love with you, you're going to make that more of a thing. When I was a bachelor, I would joke with producers just how it didn't mean anything. To say falling in love? I'm just beginning the process of having feelings. I'm falling in love with you. I was like, I'll tell. I'm falling in love with you. I was like, I'll tell anyone I'm falling in love with you because it means nothing.

To me, it's basically saying I'm in love with you, but it's like you're being a little bit hesitant. You're just afraid to be vulnerable. That's how a lot of women might interpret it. That's how I interpret it. What it actually means, though, is I'm not in love with you yet. Well, then don't say anything. This is my whole

point i felt like it was too much for her she's she's now that i know she's like i'm she loves the lord she's very she's very serious with this him saying he's falling in love with her we now saw from a preview there's another thing about her that is crucial that she's saving herself for marriage i'm like that she's gonna hold on to that i'm falling in love with you that's serious they've definitely teased the what's gonna be a storyline going forward is sex right and they teased it in the beginning of the episode opposite of last season he was so sexual last season so it's kind of fun oh i think he still is but they show a preview of him some they've shown it a few times of i think sex is an important part of a relationship i agree so. So this Madison dynamic of being like, don't fuck anyone, Peter.

And didn't she see he fucked four times and his parents were like, yeah. Like it was so crazy. Yeah, that's a sex positive. They were all for it. He's giving interviews because he lives with his parents. He's just like, yeah, I'll bang a chick in my room

and we'll come down and make some breakfast. He lives with them? He doesn't say that. He lives with his parents. I didn't put that together. But they all seem to, yeah, I don't, he lives at home and he doesn't say that. He lives with his parents. I didn't put that together. But they all seem to, yeah, I don't,

there, he lives at home and he doesn't say, he never said he bangs on chicks, but he implies that no one's pretending there isn't some sex going on. It's good. Sex positive.

I think it's nice and I think, yeah, when you're getting married to someone after barely knowing them, it's an important part of it. If you don't explore any element of that, I think that would be a mistake.

That's a scary proposition. But yeah, so Madison's very religious. We know this because she refers to God as the Lord. And when someone says the Lord, you know they're not fucking around. It's for real. It's totally real. His face fell in such a way that I was like, oh, he's going to let her go right now. No.

He got so serious. I was like, what's he going to say? And then he was like really choosing his words. And I thought he was going to say like, I don't believe in that. Like I was like, I was on the edge of my seat. Really? I had a very different interpretation of that.

I really empathize, because I grew up very religious and I'm still religious, but I have a different a broader point of view and a lot of my growing up i grew up very catholic i mean i was going to church every sunday i was serving communion all the way into my early 30s like i was now it was pretty hardcore i mean i wasn't saving myself for marriage but hey i tried my best. But anyways, again, like my parents' religion was a very, there was a big part of their marriage. I looked up to that. I liked that bond my parents had.

And I don't know, Peter hasn't talked about religion a lot, but he has talked about his bond that his parents have. True. And I just know that if I would have gone on a date with a girl at that age at peter's age and and and a girl and madison talked to me that way even if i didn't necessarily know what her like belief system was i would have been very attracted to that. I would have been very attracted to this like idea that she wants this like tight family upbringing and that she wants me to be this person because like Peter really, he wants to be his dad. All I want for him is to have like a family and be a pilot.

Like I want it all for him. That makes a lot of sense that she's like a very secure choice then. Like she's got strong faith and she will stay true to him. She's painting this picture of an idea that is very attractive. Wow. That's so interesting.

I totally just took it the opposite way. I was like, he was like, oh, fuck. I swear, I went into slow-mo. He said, he goes, and that's where I was just like, oh, fuck, maybe he might pick medicine. This is the face. He goes, look at medicine he goes it turned into a soap opera i was like what is happening he goes i want to be that for your kids it wasn't like if we it was like did he just say he's gonna pick you uh well saying i'm

falling in love with you after that right was like this is happening it's happening she was afraid it was gonna go the opposite way and then he said i'm falling in love with you after that was like, this is happening. It's happening. She was afraid it was going to go the opposite way and then he said, I'm falling in love with you. Again, she's holding onto this. If she doesn't get picked at the end, but see, here's the problem with- She'll be fine. Well, here's the problem with not sharing the religious thing

because then she's lording it, not lording it over him, but she's holding it over him when he's about to have sex with someone else. It looked like in the trailer, she's like, if you have sex with someone else, I will be- It's like Luke Peated. Isn't it the same thing? Yes. It's so unfair. It's like, it over him. Like when he's about to like have sex with someone else, it looked like in the trailer. She's like, if you have sex with someone else, I will be. Isn't it?

Yes. It's so unfair. It's like, first of all, you know what the show is. You know what the final rounds are. Like that's what is happening. You know,

Peter Fox, he's already done it. So it's already too late. Like, you know what I mean? You missed it when he was on last season. Like he's already been having sex. No,

it's, it's tough. I didn't, nothing against Madison. Like she's just trying to speak her truth. And she's just trying to, it would hurt. Yeah.

Um, but it's, it is tough. I also, I can feel bad for Peter because like religion's a tough thing as we know. And it's like, you know, here is 23 year old Madison,

a few years removed from being a teenager. And I don't even, she, for all I know, she lives at home. She lives in this tight-knit community. She wants a guy like her dad. Yeah, but like that's everyone. She said that.

That's not weird. But when I saw that, I was like, you're not supposed to know that. It's supposed to just happen. You're not supposed to consciously be like, like my dad. Like you just pick that and then you're like, oh shit. But don't you think like a lot of young women say that and they're like a religious community to probably yeah i don't it's very

it's very like wholesome to say i don't want someone like my dad yeah i don't i get what she was saying but i'm saying she just you know like i'm just picturing like let's say peter uh and and madison men end up together and they move to la like madison i'm not saying she's not going to be religious but her perspective on life is going to be different. That's true. You know, just age and time and exposure in a city and living, you know,

and so it's a, it is a crazy proposition to think they're going. It's, it's, he knows, he knows he's getting her like, well, she's 23.

We'll figure this out. If I pick her, we'll make, that's what, that's the vibe I got. Like, yeah, yeah. If I pick her, we'll make it work. That's the vibe I got. Like, yeah, we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, well, I don't know. Madison's not, she's not messing around.

She does get super intense. Can I ask a question? Like, why did we hate Luke P for basically saying the same thing last season, but like we don't really? Well, I don't know that I don't hate that she's going to do that. Oh. But I think with Luke P, there's something about a man doing it to a woman that just feels way worse.

Like it just is that double standard. There is that kind of slut shaming mentality. Also, other than this, other than this, Madison's been nothing but sweet and delightful. Right. And Luke was a nightmare.

He was fighting with everyone. The whole time. It was like, now he's gonna say this. It was just too much. He was gaslighting him the whole season. was being egotistical he was showing all these words i mean on his package i said this is a terrible human being and we're going to hate him yeah the guy met the lord in the shower please uh uh so yeah i have checked out his instagram and he's

got a whole business going now which is a pyramid scheme probably it's a workout pyramid scheme um yeah so that that i mean i've done like again and when i i relate to a lot of the things madison said and like you know and you just grow up and he also said he's like i'm not as connected to my faith as i would like to be like he was like that sounds appealing basically i connected to my faith as I would like to be. He was like, that sounds appealing, basically. And I felt bad because here's where I didn't like that Peter felt like he had to apologize to Madison. I agree. And he was just like, I feel ashamed or I feel bad.

And this is like, hey, man, you don't have to apologize for that. Everyone's life is totally different. We don't know what he's experienced and so his views change or he gets further away from it from other reasons. And Matt,

again, I had a very strong faith-based upbringing that was all predicated on what my parents taught me and I'm thankful for that. I had a great childhood and I have a very healthy connection with religion and God

and my parents. But this weird, Peter had to feel shame about it was, I felt, I felt like, and again, here's this, this guy who just,

that's where I really empathize with Peter because he just wants this to work. And I think he's trying so hard to make the right decision for all the people who are mad at him right now, like for like being too agreeable. Like he just wants this to work. No, he does. He does. But there are some decisions he made in this episode that I was mad about. Victoria, I was like, what are you?

They have the worst dynamic together. They never have fun. I agree. And then he was like, I keep you. I was like, what is happening? That was weird. It was weird. But I also feel like there's probably just might have been some editing. Don't get me wrong. That was weird. But I also feel like there's probably just might have been some editing.

Okay. And don't get me wrong. Yeah. That was weird. But like. He's partial to her. He's partial to her. He thinks she's hot.

Yeah. Peter. Victoria's is every girl I've ever dated when I was 20. Yeah. What I liked about that, it was a relatable 20-year-old relationship. That like they're fighting all the time. they're fighting all the time fighting all the time they think they they think each other are hot and that's

what's the main thing keeping them like there's a there's a definite strong connection and sometimes you mistake that fighting for romance yeah wow we have chemistry yeah yeah I actually like I'm glad they show that because I thought that was one of the more interesting parts of the episode because it was just a kind of the, why are we fighting fight?

But they both, and they both were trying not to lose their mind. Yeah. But then I thought, okay, so maybe he just really wanted to get Kelly out of the picture. And so he picked Victoria over her just because it was like. I mean, I mean, who got what Rose when is not really. Oh, okay. That's another important behind the scenes.

It's just like, whatever, you know, the timing, the timing of things. I love knowing that. Cause that does, that kind of fucks me up though,

as a viewer. Yeah. I'm like, well, what's true. I believe that it all happened, but I knowing it's out of, it could be out of order.

No, that's not, I mean, it's he, she definitely got the Rose before the other women okay right right right because the decision to give her the rose before the other women it's like whatever okay that's all like i mean clearly it surprised the other women yeah it was a weird final two in the group it surprised us that's good tv yeah to be surprised i loved it uh you know we don't want to watch things that kind of make sense all

the time no uh but yeah i actually liked i thought that was an interesting element to the show because it i like that peter they both kind of they you felt like they were if they weren't on camera it would get really hot like hot like not not not sexual i mean like heated yeah yeah like it would explode uh totally and i like because i do feel like she gets embarrassed after these interactions like she's like i don't i just was thinking about our conversation i'm so humiliated like but if there was no camera it could go let me ask you this like i know everyone's watching it and like yes when victoria f does this it's like jesus come on get it together you know like kelly's out there like a hot mess and it's like okay that's fair but do you at least appreciate like

this self-awareness that she had how self-awareness where she's like i annoy myself like i just can't i mean again this is a messed up atmosphere yeah she's she's both perfect for it as a viewer and terrible like she is not meant for this world no i do like that she said she was annoyed by herself i totally get that i feel like the whole season though i've been wary of her and i felt like when she's like i'm so shy i can't do this modeling thing and then she like comes out in laundry and like makes out with him i was like if you are really shy you would not be able to do that i said that too yeah like later throughout the season i was like i don't maybe she's really insecure yeah she can just turn it on for the moment and get through it maybe do anyone have a theory of

what happens at hometowns with her something crazy he like leaves her right like i don't know i don't know but the i mean i don't i have a theory put a lot of stock i don't put a lot of stock of the the trailers i know very very good well because they showed they showed um hannah ann sobbing last week and then this week it was because she got a rose that's why she was sobbing so it's like um so yes like i i don't but that being said they make it seem like like she goes well how can i introduce to my parents now and i'm like wow something i think someone confronts her or something on camera about something she's done that's my theory okay and they have a big fight or something and then it's like yeah we're supposed to just pretend we're happy and go to

my parents well that's entirely possible that's happened before and other seasons and variations of like the boyfriend comes back right like hey with jojo uh jojo ben season yeah and becca too Like with JoJo, JoJo and Ben's season. Yeah. And Becca too. Yeah. Yeah. So hometown, like you are definitely, it's- Susceptible. Susceptible to like your hometown. Yeah. It's crazy.

Do they often have fake homes on the hometown? I wonder that too. Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. Ideally, no, but like not everyone's house is conducive. To a big crew coming in and stuff. To a big crew.

So they will, I think ideally they do, but it's not always the case. Yeah, there have been some where I'm like, that was all from Pier 1. Yeah. I saw that in a commercial. Yeah, that entire set. What do we think of Kelsey? Kelsey. Okay. Well, I've been really anti-kelsey for a while this episode was the first time i started to think maybe she could be good for him um i was really i just didn't feel i didn't feel trust with her

as the champagne situation was so insane and like you mean by trust i felt like she was kind of um deceptive or possibly like secretly evil like i think like she just had this vibe in her the way all the girls wanted to be against her there's something that happens with people like that where it feels like there's some truth to it like why does everyone have a problem with her why is this like that i do think she's calmed it down and maybe the more i'm going to see from her and the more she's kind of talked about her emotions the more i'm like okay maybe she just is like easy to cry but it doesn't mean that she's nuts she just looks that way when she's crying at the situations that are happening on the show yeah i feel like this season

more than any other season has proven that when everyone doesn't like someone in the house that only means that everyone doesn't like someone in the house it does not a reflection of yeah yeah yeah of who that person of who that person is or the yeah it was looking bad for her for a while though and they really made her out to be kind of nutty but this date where she's talking about her family i felt she seemed really real and i i liked how he responded i thought that was good i'm i'm partial to kelsey you like her i as a character and i think i'd be friends with her yeah i think she is a little nutty yeah i think she is she emotes and i think especially when she drinks you know i think i often i'm not thinking about the fact that they're pretty

drunk when those things are and everyone like i i have friends who like after three drinks they're not my favorite people yeah for sure um and so everyone responds to alcohol differently and i think she responds in an emotional way it seemed like on this date she hadn't been drinking at all yeah they were rolling in a field and then they went to dinner okay question for you about dinner i know they don't eat in front of each other, right? But then what do they eat in a room beforehand? You come in full. You come in full?

So wait, there's like they're rolling in the field, then they separate to go get ready for the date. You've noticed they're wearing different clothes, right? So there's like a period where they're put in different rooms and they get fed. Why do they never want them to eat in front of each other? And I think there was one episode in a previous season where someone ate it and they were like, yeah.

Have you ever listened to a podcast while people are eating? Okay, so it's just for our sake. Remember that meat? Remember when he was eating all that meat in front of Victoria? He was going to town. Yeah, in the outtakes at the end of the episode that was meant to be like, when Madison,

the Lord. Yeah. Yeah. The Lord is really my, I really love the Lord. You're right. You're right. The pork's hitting this thing.

Yeah. That would be annoying. That being said, it is real food and we saw Ari eat it. Yeah. Yeah. It's so weird. Oh,

also they couldn't do the cuts because continuity you could tell if they did right then the food's gone yeah um so that that is why but i i do i think kelsey assuming she hasn't had um any champagne i i actually think she's probably one of the more down-to-earth uh women in the show like yeah she seems like a loyal person i think she has a good heart i think she just doesn't know how to express her emotions and maybe living with a group full of women who are going to be against you is not her perfect environment but like he seems he has said their relationship is very deep and someone else said that about her like uh talking to victoria i

think somebody was a few times i've talked to peter and you'll hear it tomorrow like he's very quick to like stick up for Kelsey. He has a strong opinion of Kelsey. Isn't it hard for him to do an interview before it comes out? Like that would be so hard to not give away things. He's well trained. God, I would have a hard time with that. He had like three people sitting here watching him.

Yeah. Making sure. Don't even roll your eyes about that person. No, he's, you have fun with it as The Bachelor of like... Keeping the secret. Yeah, keeping the secret. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Peter clearly, no one knows.

It's been fun for everyone to like... It's been fun for me because I always get spoiled. And no one knows. So like... You don't know for real? I really don't know. So I think it's Hedda Ann or Madison, right? Yeah.

But like now I'm here, I'm going back and forth. And it's kind of fun to really not know. Yeah, it is fun. I love the reveal at the end. And so, and Peter is really having fun knowing that people don't know

and he's very protective of that. So he's really enjoying that. That's cool. Kelsey kind of reminds me of Blake a little bit. Huh? Because Blake had all that family stuff at home.

He was very, very open about it, but he was also a little, you know, emotionally unhinged, but sweet. I don't know. I think we'll learn a lot from meeting her family. I think that's going to like clear up some of... I don't think she wins and I don't think she'll be the next bachelorette.

I think she will be an absolute all-star in paradise. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, who would be the next bachelorette, I think she will be an absolute all-star in Paradise. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, who would be the next Bachelorette? I mean, I think Hannah Ann, if she doesn't win, would be like who they're going to pick for that. But she's so young.

I don't know. I want, I really want this show to be like people in their 30s. I think it's going to be Hannah Brown again. What? That would be crazy. Again? Yeah. I watched her in Dancing with the Stars. I actually started to like her a lot more from that she was so great but i uh i feel like if they have her again that's like that's

just go you have to go out into the world at some point and just meet people the regular way right i agree paradise or something i'd see her i would like to see her on paradise that would be really uh it's i i mean it's there's a lot of reasons why i'd see her i would like to see her on paradise that would be really uh it's i i mean it's there's a lot of reasons why i can see them like people would watch and so from that of course i'm i'm signed up for every episode from now until i die but uh it would be a challenge for it would be a challenge uh what about a hannah and demi duo season? Oh. I'm for Demi. Kind of pick who you want to. Yeah. Oh, that's kind of exciting.

I'm for Demi. Hannah Ann. I think Hannah Ann has more. I think there's more to Hannah Ann than Scali. No, yeah. Right now, she's boring as hell. I know. They don't really give her much time.

I think, personally, I think she killed this episode in a sense like she seems like kind of quite a assassin. What do we know about Peter? Loves a crier. Loves to hear that you love him. So what does Hannah Ann do on this date? Sits down, immediately starts crying. She can't take it anymore.

All right, here are my tears. All right, step two, bust out a list of things. I'm going to tell you I love you. Oh, my God, the list. It looked like a total real drug. I know. It was so, oh, God. But I also looked at her face, and I was like, her face is so youthful.

She looks like a little baby. She's so cute. But she's too young. I don't want him to pick someone so young. She's so cute. It's just, but she's too young. I don't want him to pick someone so young. I feel like- She's the same age as Madison. Whoa. She's 23.

Madison seems older. Does she? I feel like Madison, and in different ways, comes across just as youthful. Maybe. I feel like Madison, maybe she just looks a little bit older

and it kind of like sells it. They're the same age. That's pretty crazy. Okay, so then he's- Yeah, and she just looks a little bit older and it kind of like sells it. They're the same age. That's pretty crazy. She's just like going through the Peter playbook of tears, words. She's killing it. I think she's smarter than people give her credit for. I think she is getting judged by her youthful appearance. credit for uh i think she is getting judged by her like youthful appearance yeah i'm not saying she's gonna like you know solve the world's hardest math problem but i just think she is

she's not like even there was a part early episode where like the girls are having their girl chats and uh nata like madison got the date card and they're going fishing and Hannah Ann had the like catching feelings. Like she has a little bit of like, a little bit of wit and a little bit of like sassiness that she has decided and we saw early on and we saw early in the season

and she has decided to be like, all right, Hannah Ann, just be. It's the Hannah G playbook. Yeah. Be like, go to your southern roots of like demure,

sweet, thankful, grateful, humble. But I bet if you get Hannah Ann like in a comfortable surrounding where she can be herself

and maybe like a cocktail or two. Yeah. I bet she's a lot more interesting than you might think. Okay. I mean, I have to say I liked how she handled

Kelsey's like meltdown with the champagne and she's like i'm i hear you and i'm sorry that upset you i was like yeah people thought that was robotic but i actually thought it was great i was like she just there's nothing you can respond i read like you can't go crazy i read some sass and then when her and victoria f were having their modeling thing and she kind of like it's like bitch get out of the way yeah she yeah yeah i could be way off but i feel like there's no you're probably right you're probably right uh she they're not as um so like let's now kelly i think kelly was the all-star of the do you think kelly and peter hooked up at the hotel when they first met yeah that was my feeling was

like that's the connection they had that they can't believe she ended up here. I'm like, they boned. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then I thought the whole time I was kind of hoping for her to be the winner because I liked that they had met outside of the show. I thought there was something like kind of grounding about that.

Yeah. That it's like maybe they had some conversations that were just I mean, no cameras. It just feels like they know each other in a different way. maybe they had some conversations that were just, I mean, no cameras. It just feels like they know each other in a different way. But then I kind of understood when he was saying,

when he let her go and he was like, I think I was holding onto the idea that we had met before. And that was enough to keep it afloat, even though maybe there weren't the vibes. I find this dynamic interesting because, you know what? Maybe in the real world, they could have a nice relationship, you know what?

Maybe in the real world, they could have a nice relationship. But because Peter is so bought into this environment and Kelly has a healthy dose of realism. Yeah, she's like, this is really fun. He's like, stop saying. He's offended. He's just like, fun? This should be hard.

This should not be fun. There is a time and a place for fun and now is not the time dating me is not the place he looks pissed he's pissed she said fun again he's like dude stop with the fun i mean i thought but she's like lighthearted she's like she knows what the show is she's like we met outside of this i think she felt pretty solid that she'd get really far because of that she's like i'm good i don't this is a good time here just to kind of like subtly point out all the ridiculousness of the show uh we're like you know victoria f has just well you know i'm

just don't know if she's gonna come back and kelly just cuts her off no she's coming back like have you not seen this please you know and then and then they're on the group date and kelly's like oh you really made us walk far and that says kelly being like you this is stupid calling out the weird things yeah because like yeah that's what they do they're like all right there's peter you see him like he's a tiny guy in the distance all right just start walking and then they tell peter like just wait so awkward and it's like she points it out yeah and credit to the show for airing that little like little bit of now they air it because it it's like you see kelly it's what's fascinating about this is on my date with andy i was on that that date and at that point i was on a date with

crystals a guy named brian and dylan and my point of view on that date was she has no actual connection with any of these guys this is stupid why am i here like can we just get on with it yeah and kelly has the exact but like we're watching it and thinking like again it's a different season because i guarantee you america's on kelly's side yeah she seems really real she's like she seems real yeah but it seemed like a villain edit a little bit when i'm trying to do that a little bit well that's what i'm saying is another season uh we're recording this before it airs so we don't know what twitter's gonna say but i i would be shut i bet i'm guessing america is going to like it there might be some people that say kelly's ungrateful to be there but that was my point of bringing it up and she

got the same edit i got and i was crucified for it and given how this season has been and all the women being so young and everyone kind of being irritated by the ridiculousness is. Kelly, everyone's going to be like, I think you're so right. Like she lies down. I know, I love her laying down. She's like, I'll chill here. I'm good. Yeah.

And even when she was like, you just the week get cut. I'm just going to lay here. She looked like a big lion being like, the week get cut. It's like Lion King moment. She's like, I'm not going to stress out about things I can't control

so like I know you're gonna come back I'm gonna get some time just let me know when meanwhile Victoria F is just like I can't I can't I can't I can't deal with this and she's like you're always in a mood when I see you it's like whoa he's in a mood

they sat down and Peter was just like he's like scowling at her what's up you know like i mean i kind of gave victoria credit for like again you're in a situation peter has all the power true right yeah so the guy with all the power comes out and says why are you being this way yeah right and most of the time it's just like, I'm sorry. And like she, she pushed back and that made it fun to watch. Yeah. Probably not the move. Well,

she got the rose. I mean, I guess it was the move, but she's not going to win. Okay. That's the fact. I was glad they took away that Cosmo cover. I felt weird about that.

I thought it was weird to give a cover to someone who wasn't the winner. Anyway, it just seemed like a weird prize midway through a season to be on the cover of cosmo yeah i mean yeah i don't know why things work the way they do but i was like that's great now he's gonna be posing with this person he didn't pick and then the person he picks is like yeah oh cool cover let's throw that out i mean that there is that but uh that's just that's just the nature of the beast. They do what they can to help you make the relationship work, but it's not the number one priority, unfortunately.

True, true, true. Unfortunately. But yeah, I guess assuming Victoria does not win, that would have been a harder pill to swallow. Yeah. Oh, look at this magazine where you look hot with not me. Yeah, it sucks. forever on Cosmo. I would have liked

to have done that. Like imagine if it is Hannah Ann. That's like her dream. Yeah, yeah. Right, to be on the cover of Cosmo. She's a model, yeah. Amazing. Well, the winner will be

on the cover of People though. You'll get a cover somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, but in that world you tend to obsess over what you don't get and dismiss what you do get it's very easy yeah you get a thousand comments of oh you're the best and you get one that says fuck you and that's

the only thing you really care about i relate yeah completely as an actor it's like yeah you get one mean thing you're like yep that's the true one the rest of it's fake no one likes me they yeah it just feels that way it does i mean it is it is hard and um yes it it's very hard being the winner it's like it's the hardest yeah oh my god what happened next so he dumps victoria i mean he keeps victoria dumps kelly keeps hannah ann keeps hannah and comes back uh hannah ann and kelly i mean kelly is so over it she doesn't Dumps Kelly Keeps Hannah Ann Keeps Hannah Ann Comes back Hannah Ann And Kelly I mean Kelly is So over it

She doesn't care But I do feel like She was holding it Together so well But I feel like That's like her Attorney energy Being like

Don't show anything And then she gets In the car And she had a little Bit of a cry But it was still Pretty reserved I'm really looking

Forward to tell all Because I always forget About the tell all And it always pisses me off Because it comes right I know I never want that I'm like looking forward to Tell All. I always forget about the Tell All and it always pisses me off because it comes right I know. I never want that. I'm like, I want the answer of what happens.

Don't give me this. Are you not looking forward to Tell All this year? I always watch it, but I'm like, I always think it's going to be the finale and then the Tell All comes on. I'm like, oh, I forgot. Well, I mean, Kelly spent most of this episode just talking shit about all the other women. Yeah. And for the first time, I think in a while,

America is going to be agreeing with Kelly. Yeah. Right. Right. So you're going to go in and tell all, all the women are going to be like, you righteous bitch. And America is going to be like,

yeah, but we kind of agree. Yeah. And I'm really curious how that's going to go down. I'm more, I'm really curious if Kelly is going to be like, you know what? Honestly, I was mad and I'm sorry. You girls are sweet to go down. I'm really curious if Kelly is going to be like, you know what? Honestly, I was mad and I'm sorry.

You girls are sweet and I don't really want any more trouble. Or is she going to double down? Yeah, that'll be fun. They're going to make a car book cut out of McKenna's frown face, I'm sure, for someone in the audience. That was so ridiculous. It was a drawing of a frown. I couldn't even do it. Did you enjoy her audition?

What do you think it was an audition for? To be at the Bachelorette or to be on Paradise? I mean it was just something she had lined up Girl I found my voice And you can't stop me girl I was like what is this monologue? This girl is It was

She has found herself And she is who she is I was like stop just walk away It was she has found herself and she is who she is. I was like, stop. Just walk away. It was it was a hard watch. Tammy was just like, OK, were you were you team McKenna or team Tammy? Tammy all the way. Tammy was great.

She was the voice of reason for a while. And then she got a little bit got a high horse and was like throwing down like she got a little too much. She kind of started to lose it. But I enjoyed it. But you are nothing i am everything yeah that was a weird exchange just like anything you say i'm just going to say it back and just say that i'm better than you yeah it worked so what do we got uh or any final thoughts about the remainder season i know we've tapped into a little bit but so who do

you you think it's you think it's madison i i think it will be madison i feel like but i don't know the drama that they showed in that trailer makes me think that something might go down and that she won't be in the final two but if i think it'll be madison and hannah ann i feel good about that i feel like kelsey should be in the final two but i actually don't think he should pick her actually i think she could get that far but i don't think he should pick her. I think she could get that far, but I don't want him to pick her. You don't want him to pick Kelsey? No.

Why? I don't feel like it would actually work out. I have the feeling that it wouldn't, but I feel like Madison is maybe the most likely to actually marry him. That's true. But I'm afraid that if he picks Madison, they'll be married in a year.

She wants to get laid. He wants to get laid get laid yeah uh right they have to wait a year you know like it's it's not like as far as mad is concerned married at 23 is 24 is right on schedule in fact she might even be a little behind yeah uh with some of her peers i do forget that a lot of the world is like that where they'll get married much younger most of my friends are like 40 and they're like what how would i do that so and so like i could see them engaged and married before they even know each other yeah and that yeah that's a that's scary that's that's scary but you know they have a way of like making the next episode always look like the best episode but the next i really do feel like the next one is going to be the best like some great there was a crazy shit every five seconds people crying and screaming i'm really excited to see

how it goes with the hometowns yeah i don't know i guess i guess my final vote would be that madison will win okay what do you think hannah ann all the way i've been saying hannah ann i'm gonna stick with hannah ann but this this episode definitely there i will I've been saying Hannah Ann, but I thought about this and I didn't even realize at the time, but like Hannah Ann has only had one one-on-one. Yeah, they haven't had that much time together. And I don't remember a time a winner

has only had one one-on-one before going to a hometown. Right. But this season has been. Just weird that way. With all the drama. It's like. Yeah. Sydney's. Sydney's 101.

Ended up being kind of a. An total waste of a date. Did Garrett have more than one? I mean. Garrett kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah. I don't. Don't remember.

Do you feel like the. Like this season. And Hannah's season. They talk about sex. And what happened in the fantasy suite like within the the show like much more like the other women know that they've had like i feel like why do they know like in previous seasons he the bachelor wouldn't tell if he had sex with the person the night before so i mean every season starting like obviously the andy and me and then

caitlin and i like that was like the first time the show even mentioned sex is going on and ever since then there's been like little moments where they start saying america's america knows now we're ready for it uh and so uh you didn't you didn't see not much in ben they didn't really know in ben but certainly obviously we know on Hannah's season and there's been a lot more in I think with Paradise ever since being in there that's true then it's just like like everyone's not pretending so when it comes up they have clearly have no problem going with yeah storyline well I do feel like if I were one of the final few people I would want to know what happened but I guess maybe I wouldn't at the same time it's like you kind of want to know you kind of don't you just want to live in your little bubble for a little bit longer my guess is in

the past because like that conversation of like oh well if they have sex with someone else i don't know that's happened since the show started i'm sure uh it's just not covered because we just bring it up but now i think because we know about sex they are willing to well let's talk about it yeah they might they might share it especially if it becomes a big part of the storyline i mean like with hannah you have luke p just like shaming i can't believe he got that far you know and that's literally why he went home yeah you know like i loved that though when she stood up to him and she's like you don't tell me what to do put him in the van so and it seems like we're up for like a repeat of this with yeah

something's madison seem like if it's like hannah madison might be his favorite right now right like it seems that's i wonder when she tells him she's saving herself because if it's after he's already had sex with people because they show a preview of her saying, I'm saving myself. It doesn't have to be, but I'm assuming like that's gonna be the next step. You know how you were like, hey, why didn't she talk about religion before?

Yeah. So now I think every time Madison and Pete have a conversation, there's gonna be some sort of element about her faith, whether like now her like sexuality or like her desire to wait or have sex, how she feels about like, because now we're getting into fantasy suites.

Let's talk about what's next. You know, so there's gonna be, sometimes the bachelor or bachelorette tends to get more boring as once hometowns. I don't think that's gonna be the case here. That does not look like it's gonna be. I think it's gonna be jam packed from here on out. He's got a lot on his mind. He looks really stressed. He's like crying. He can't take it. I can't think that's going to be the case here. It does not look like it's going to be. I think it's going to be jam-packed from here on out. He's got a lot on his mind.

He looks really stressed. He's like crying. He can't take it. I can't wait. It's going to be good. Have we covered? I think we've covered it all. Great.

Lauren, I really appreciate you coming. Thank you for having me. Can you share with us all the exciting things you're doing out in the world and where people can find you? Sure, yes. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Lauren Lapkus. I have a podcast a new podcast uh with nicole byer who you might know as the host of nailed it i'm familiar with nicole

i'm trying to get on this podcast oh i'll text her she's great um and we watched star wars for the first time on our podcast but neither of us have ever seen it so we're going to watch it for the first time and see if we like it and it's going uh well so far but it's a very intense undertaking can you i i I found elements to enjoy I've actually I've been surprised I've been surprised you've never seen

no no I mean I've like picked up on like you know Luke I'm your father kind of stuff the American culture pop culture elements to it

yeah and then I have a movie coming out in the spring on Netflix called The Wrong Missy with David Spade and it's like a rom-com silly are you in love with him yes I am spade and it's like a rom-com stupid silly silly are you in love with

him um yes i am yeah yeah it's really fun it's i'm an insane person in the movie so he's not into me you'll have to come back and promote your your movie when it comes yeah that'd be great um well thanks so much for coming yeah thank you uh you were you were great and uh always welcome back thank you appreciate it thanks so and always welcome back. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks so much for listening, guys. Don't forget, tomorrow we have the pilot joining us. I think you're really going to enjoy it. He is fantastic, shares a bunch of stories he's never shared before.

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