The Viall Files - E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

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I am your host Nick and boy is it good to be with you all back in the LA studio. We're happy to see you guys. Were we missed? Yeah. It is nice talking to you face to see you guys. Were we missed? Yeah. It is nice talking to you face to face. Yeah, nice touching, yeah. Yeah, so nice talking to you face to face. Zoom isn't, Zoom dates aren't the same?

It's just not the same, you know? It is, it's not the same because there's a little bit of a lag, you know, with Zoom. So it's like, and I, oh no, go, oh, what's that? Your turn, okay, now. You guys don't notice that on the, your end, because we cleaned it up. Oh, we kind of notice it,

because all of a sudden it's like start talking and you go, hmm? Sure. Well, it is good to be with you all. Coachella is finally in the books, week in two, for those of you who are not familiar. With Coachella? There's a lot, yeah, I think there's a lot of people

not familiar with Coachella. For those of think there's a lot of people not familiar with Coachella. For those of you who live peaceful, normal lives. Yeah. For those of you who are under a rock, I feel like before I ever went to Coachella, I knew what it was, because I was on social media and followed.

Because you were in your formative years as a teen. Okay. I don't know how to dig that either. I didn't learn about Coachella. Yeah, like what? Was that a dig or? I didn't learn about Coachella. Yeah, like what? Was that a dig or? I didn't learn about Coachella until I was like in my early 30s.

That's because it just started. Yeah. It did? No, I think it started when I was in my 90s. When did it first start? Well, Coachella's been around for a long time, but Coachella started actually as like more of like a festival festival.

A punk festival. A punk festival. A punk? Yeah, it was cool. And now it's Coachella. October 9th and 10th of 1999, and it was like Beck, Rage Against the Machine, Tool, Underworld, Art of Noise.

Like it was a rock show. Okay, well, well a mom of a five-year-old shuts down. Did she shut down critics? They always do, they slam. They slam, well slam. Clap back. Well, slam, slam, but you don't, well shut down is? They always do, they slam. They slam, well slam. Clap back. Well slam, slam, you know, shut down is basically saying she won.

Yeah, I was about to say, I feel like you rarely shut down a critic. Yeah, even when you slam, they can slam you right back. Yeah, if you slam you back. We've been accused of slamming people online constantly, but we've never been shutting people down. Yeah, no, yeah. Take that note.

How do you guys shut up? Anyways, what does she say? A mom of a five year old has been bringing her daughter to Coachella. She said this was her third year she's gone to Coachella. Her third year or her? She says it's her daughter's third year going. Her third Coachella.

And people are calling her like a bad mom for taking her daughter to a festival, which I feel like is a weird thing to shame her about. It's like, who knows if she's probably not staying all night. Like it's a date. It starts at what, like 10 a.m.? It starts really early. Yeah, she said, there's always good and bad. There was more good comments than bad.

But to me, it's like, okay, have you ever been to Coachella? Do you know that it's all ages? She said, honestly, this is the only festival I would bring her to. I wouldn't bring her to a rave event, EDC, no way, but I feel like Coachella is super safe. You don't see people doing drugs. She's never asked me like, oh, what is that person doing?

I don't see it myself, so I think it's safe. Yeah, it's like there's bathrooms, there's a lot of food options, there's a lot of room to like lay down if you wanna like lay a blanket out, take a little snooze in the sun Like certainly worse environments to bring a child plus this mother is a really big Benson Boone fan So they're going to see Benson Boone

It's not like they're going to see Charlie XCX and watching people do poppers You know what I mean like Benson Boone like she's not gonna be traumatized by No, did y'all see the creator? I love that about her. See the creator of the Apple dance is suing? She's suing Roblox. Over copyright. Yeah. Who's Roblox? Who's Roblox?

It's that little like Minecrafty game all the little kids are playing on the phones. I love Roblox personally. I don't play it anymore, but I've played it. Yeah. Okay. And she's suing the game? Yeah.

So in the game, users were able to purchase the dance as an emote for their virtual character, but her lawyers are alleged that the platform earned $123,000 from the featured edition. That seems like she should get some of that. I think that's fair. Yeah. As a platform powered by a community of creators,

Roblox takes the protection of intellectual property very seriously and is committed to protecting intellectual property rights. How crazy though that she just like was on TikTok, made up a dance to this song and now it's the most like known dance. Now Bowen Yang's doing it in the crowd. And Matt Rogers.

And Matt Rogers and Celestiam. It is crazy just doing it, putting anything on the internet could turn into something. Like she just made a dance. How many people have made TikTok dances? Obviously you've gone viral, make money off of that. But like to put it in a game that's worth that much, like no one would have thought.

How often do you wash your sheets? Like once a week. Why? Is that bad? Are we judging me? How often are you washing your sheets? Me? Nick doesn't wash his sheets.

Before I had a lady in my life? Yes. You don't want to know. Twice a year. Stop it. Twice a year? Oh my God, he had bed bugs. Were you itchy? Did you know, Natalie? What? Were you ever itchy? Yes. You don't want to know twice a year. Stop it. Twice a year. Were you itchy? Were you ever itchy?

Natalie, did you know this? No, I did not. Before you slept. I did not. Were you ever itchy? Maybe three times a year. Itchy? No, I'm always itchy. Ew. Wow.

Disgusting. Yeast infection. You have a yeast infection? Drink some cranberry juice. Can men get yeast infections? Why are you asking me? Do I look like a doctor? I think they can, because you can get a yeast infection

elsewhere on your body. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's just a yeast buildup. Isn't that what a buildup is? It's like yeast. Lea, you look like you really want people to know this. Guys, you can get a yeast infection in your mouth. Just so you know.

This is disgusting. Why are we talking about this? Good morning. Yeah. Yeah, what? Wash your sheets anyway. Why did you bring that up protection in your mouth. Just so you know. This is disgusting. Why are we talking about this? Good morning. Yeah. Yeah, what? Wash your sheets anyway. Why did you bring that up? Wash your sheets.

Because half, according to new polls, 49.9%, not 50%, 49.9% of people wait at least one month before washing their bed sheets. I don't understand. No. If I think about it too much, like my pillowcase, I have to wash at least my pillowcase if I think about it too much, like my pillowcase, I have to wash at least my pillowcase if I can't get to like the full bed once a week. Like I have to throw the pillowcases in.

Face oil, dirt, like just no, my dog sleeps on my bed. So I definitely wash my sheets every week. I woke up to vomit the other day. So yeah, but I have to. Yeah, my dog threw up in bed at like five in the morning. It was the worst. No, I've been home alone, so I was like, fuck you. Of course I have to clean this up by myself.

We have a jam packed episode lined up for you today. The ladies of Humble Bragg, Crystal Minkoff, and Cynthia Bailey will be joining us later. And before that, Ray Sonny, standup comedian, Emmy nominated TV writer, and Bravo superfan is joining us as well to talk all things Summer House, Little Bev Hills, put a bow on that. I'm not sure if Ray is watching Atlanta Housewives,

but I'm sure she seems to watch it all. So we're excited to have her on. But before we do, I watched a movie not too long ago. What movie did you watch? A Simple Favor, which I had never seen. Did you watch it yourself? No, I watched it with my wife. You were there.

We watched. He's like, I watched a movie. I'm like, why not things? But you had seen it. Had you seen it? You had seen it though. Yeah, I had seen it. I felt like I was really unprepared for this.

Yeah. Obviously, The Simple Favor 2, is it out yet? No, it's like May 1st. It's coming out, starring Anna Kendricks and Blake Lively, who wrote it, Paul Feig? Paul Feig directed it. Writer of Bridesmaids? Well, he didn't write Bridesmaids.

He didn't write, he directed Bridesmaids. Did he write either of them? Let me see who wrote The Simple Favor. Do you have questions about? Let's see, who wrote The Simple Favor? Paul Feig directed one of the best episodes of The Office, The Dinner Party. Well, it's adapted from a novel, A Simple Favor. Well, I think directed one of the best episodes of The Office, The Dinner Party. Well, it's adapted from a novel, A Simple Favor,

and it was written by Jessica Sharzer. Okay, was the brother fucker in the original novel? Because that was jarring for me. I don't know. I'm sorry, do you want to go back? The brother fucker? If I haven't seen the movie. Have you not seen it?

Have you seen it? I fell asleep through it. Spoiler alert, she fucks her stepbrother. It's a really good movie. It's got a little bit of a mystery, you know, thriller, like a whodunit, what's going on. And then in the sandwich right in the middle of this movie, Anna Kendrick's character, you find out, fucks her half-brother. And maybe her kid mights her half brother.

And maybe her kid might be her half brother. Doesn't sound like such a simple favor. And they just kind of accept it as like not that weird in the movie. And it's like. I think it's supposed to be weird. She's supposed to not be a good person. Anna Kendrick's character?

Yeah. But she comes off like mousey and like timid. Yeah, at first she's like one of the most likable people and then as the movie goes on and on and on, you're like, oh my God, this person's atrocious. Yeah, I never want to meet this person in real life. It was disturbing. Is that, was that what made the movie so popular?

Was it the Brotherfucker? I honestly did not remember that at all, so it can't be. I thought it was just martinis. How did you miss that? I thought it was just martinis. How did you miss that? I thought it was Blake Lively's ties. Yeah, the ties really did have a moment. And it was Phil from Schitt's Creek. Yeah.

Played the brother fuck, the brother, the brother fuck, the sister fucker. Yeah. It kind of, have you? They romanticized it in a weird way. Wait, if you liked the Simple Favor, I have another movie recommendation for you. He didn't like it.

Well, you'll like this one more. It's giving game of thrones. Yeah. I was just taking, I was like in the middle of being like, oh, this is a pretty good movie. I was just like, oh my, oh my. Am I understanding this correctly? I was so taken back.

Similar movie without the incest, Ingrid Goes West. It's Aubrey Plaza and Elizabeth Olsen. And Elizabeth Olsen is like very like 2010s influencer, Coachella, like everyone loves her. Aubrey Plaza is like a psycho who like stalks her and tries to like take over her life. It's a really good movie. It's really good.

It's great. That's not good. Love it. I was just alarmed that such a popular movie's main like through line was the fact that she. And are we carrying this storyline through to the second one? And couldn't, why couldn't he just be the stepbrother?

It's still weird, it's still wrong. Because I think the half brother is more of a shock value. I think it's in there for shock value. Gross how John Waters is nasty stuff. Anyways, we're about to celebrate our one year anniversary. Wow. That came fast. I know.

Congrats, guys. How do you feel like we did? What are you going to do? What are we going to do? We're going to go to Stagecoach for one night. We want to see Lana Del Rey and Zach Bryan. I mean, hate who he is as a person, but do love his music, unfortunately. He does have great music.

So I will be closing my eyes. I love his songs. Oh, no. Do like his songs. So we're going to go to Stagecoach for one night, and then we're going to have a little staycation at a little like spa retreat that I booked us for the weekend. To recover not only from Stagecoach night one.

Get that dust cleared out. Well, last, we went to Stagecoach for the first time together as a couple two years ago. Missed it last year because of our wedding. Yeah, that whole thing. Yeah, that whole thing. So now our wedding anniversary will be on Stagecoach every year. Look at that. We didn't think about that. But you always stage coach every year. Look at that. We didn't think about that.

But you always have something to do. That is true. The NFL Draft is also this weekend and it is hosted by, it's in Green Bay. Wow. And I'm so in love with my wife that I didn't even ask if we could spend our anniversary in Green Bay at the NFL Draft. I do feel like the Monday after our wedding, you were like, hey, so this is happening.

No, I didn't. You were like getting the head up, and I was like, oh, that's what you wanna do for our one year anniversary? Yep. But yeah, we're gonna, he got me like a really extravagant gift. Didn't you?

We got it. Oh, I thought you already got it. No, I also planned for gifts. And it's getting delivered tomorrow. We're doing a joint gift. Oh my God. Do we want to share? Are we keeping it together?

We'll share next week. How do you feel like we did? For a year? Yeah, us. Listen, I think we've been through a lot. And I think- Listen. I mean, like the one year definitely, it came with some challenges.

I think we held onto each other and worked through them as best as we could, obviously still working through some of them, but shit. I mean, it's been the best year of my life, all things considered, so. I love you. Oh my God, why are you looking at me like that? You don't agree?

No, I agree. Well, what do you think of our year? I'm really proud of us, yeah. We've definitely been a lot lately, through a lot of you, but it's gone by fast in the best possible way. I know. Yeah.

Kind of crazy. Yeah. Should we leave? Yeah. It's really romantic. I know. And you guys have accomplished a lot together, Kind of crazy. Yeah. Should we leave? Yeah. It's really romantic. Mm-hmm. And you guys have accomplished a lot together, separately. We have.

You raised a baby. We're raising, but like, she gonna be a toddler soon. Gracie. Yeah. I'm just thinking about it. Yeah, it went by fast. It really did go by fast. Right?

That's crazy. I didn't even think about it until you just said it, that it's already like been a year. We haven't even posted our full length wedding video, but we decided to do it on a one year anniversary. Wow. We've been waiting. Wait till you're going to post it. On our one year anniversary.

So you'll see it Sunday. How long is it? Six minutes. Six or seven minutes. Yeah. You said full length. Full length. That's a six. You want a 48 hour version? We want dialogue. I mean, you said it was a full length video.

What's our full, yeah. I was expecting like, I don't know, like three hours. I was thinking like BTS with the caters, like them getting ready, drama in the back. Well, we do have all of the footage. So if y'all wanna edit it and make a movie. If you wanna make a movie. Yeah, please feel free.

With all your free time you have. We have the videographers. Maybe for your two year anniversary. We have the videographers six minute version of our wedding weekend, which was quite lovely. Yeah, nice. It's a good video. Have you guys watched it?

Oh, so it's the whole weekend. It's not just the wedding. It's like it's the wedding weekend video. Yeah, it's the Friday night and Saturday night. We watched it when we first got it. Several times. And then we haven't watched it recently, but we should, we should circle back. You sound like it's a bad thing.

Did you crack? I think I like got a little emotional. That's so cute. Speaking of just like everything we've gone through, I will say I started my period after having two miscarriages. That is the most jarring and like triggering thing to experience.

No one warned experience. No one warned me. No one was like, hey just let you know. So I'm here to let you know that if you have had a miscarriage and it's hard because you're like waiting for your period because that like you know kind of resets your body and they tell you like I mean I've been told now I need to wait three months until we try again so three periods. Yeah. So I finally got my first one since last year. And you're like so excited because you're like, oh, this is good.

And then you start bleeding and you're like, oh my God. And it kind of takes you back to like experiencing that miscarriage because that was the last time that you TMI but like bled profusely out of your body. So it's quite jarring and triggering. But how are you handling it? I think just trying to compartmentalize, which I'm strangely very good at. But I think, yeah, just trying to be like, this is not that.

And this is the beginning. Yeah. So this is like the start of hopefully will be the next good chapter. But yeah, it's that is that But yeah, that's a tough one. I'm sorry that you're going through that, but I'm excited for what's to come for you in the future. I know, us too. I just wanted to give anyone a heads up if you're in that boat.

I posted about on Instagram this morning, but if you're listening and you have experienced your miscarriages or you're waiting for your period, heads up warning, prepare yourself. It will be a little bit of a trigger. But I do think like people have asked, you know, kind of like how we're handling it. And I will say like talking about them is healthy. I think friends and family who like aren't afraid is healthy, I think friends and family who aren't afraid to ask about it or talk about it, it kind of keeps them alive in a sense. I think that's grief in all types of ways.

Everyone handles it differently. I don't know if this will work for you, but it works for me of like, chambliss will constantly refer to the babies or talk about them. And in a sense, it keeps them around and it keeps their spirit alive and their memory alive versus people who are like, oh, don't bring it up.

It's triggering, don't say anything. It's like, no, please, let's talk about it. Let's make it part of our lives because they are part of our lives. So I don't know if maybe that will work for you, maybe it won't, but I've appreciated that, I think. I love you. I love you.

Should we get into something a little bit lighthearted? The world still hates Katy Perry. Yeah. Listen, can you imagine being like, we're gonna go to space and it's gonna be so fucking cool, and then it's like the most laughable moment of like, or his, like no one finds it empowering. No one is charmed.

No one, like that must be the most just like backhanded. You think you're going into this like empowering and soup and everyone's just like, you're a laughing stock. I think the problem with it is the whole like reference to it being empowering. Like sometimes like it's just a fun trip for the five people involved, you know what I'm saying? Like sometimes it's not deeper.

Like when we try to make it deeper than it really is and try to put some sort of meaning behind it to justify, like Jeff wants to send some people up to space, like you know, and good for him. I don't really, I'm not one of those people who's always like, oh my God, imagine what, you know, like a bunch of privileged people are doing a bunch of privileged things constantly.

I'm not worried, you know, it's just like, you know, shut your fucking mouth if you want people to like save the world every time you do something for yourself. That being said, like trying to make it a sort of more deep own meaning and trying to call this event some sort of empowering moment for anyone.

Space mission. Well they should have just. It's just like, hey, a bunch of celebrities got to go to space, cool. That's it. Well they should have just highlighted the other women. Rich people got to go to space. They, they should have just highlighted the other women.

They should have highlighted the other women who were there who actually do have backgrounds in this space. Yeah. What were the names? But it's like, we should have been highlighting them. We should have been like Katy Perry and Lauren Sant. In their interviews, in their promoting this,

they should have been like, and we have these incredible women with us who like have studied this. Like they should have been hyping these other women up instead of like trying to put them in the shadows. I felt like that probably could have changed their course of action a little bit. But I think that's the most representative thing

of Katy Perry's brand of feminism. Because all Katy Perry is doing, of like when you're talking about her, when you're talking about this mission at large of it being like the most shallow thing in the world that's like representing women and women power, like that is Katy Perry's entire brand. So it makes complete sense for her to have like this whole thing of I am a woman, I am doing this, I am bringing power and then shutting out any actual conversation regarding what that means, who is actually doing the work, that kind of stuff.

To Natalie's point though, like Amanda Nguyen, this is someone that I didn't know until after the backlash to Blue Origins, but she had a career in bioastronomics, and then she unfortunately experienced like SA and then became an advocate for it, and actually drafted policies, and then she thought she left like the career

of like Astronomics and then now she was on Blue Origin's trip to space. So it's like we don't know about the people that. Like people are talking about her now because people are like, wait, we're all mad at Katie but like look at the people that should have gone up. You know?

Yeah, but it's only getting brought up after. Exactly. It's like, wait, who are we forgetting? But her story is empowering. So it's like. Why wasn't that person ever mentioned? Well, it's because like I said, no, who are we forgetting? But her story is empowering. So it's like. Why wasn't that person ever mentioned? Well, it's because, like I said, no, they, the women with the influence

and the power behind them should have been talking about. Exactly. That would legitimize the actual mission. Exactly. It's like, oh no, there's actual females that are trained in astronomical to be able to go up there and I feel safer doing- We're just excited to go and I'm excited to wear glam, but we do have Amanda who's with us

Who is this brilliant and she's done this and she's done that and let me talk about Amanda instead of being like I can't wait for my false lashes. Here's a daisy. I feel connected to love. Let me let me shout out my set list. Well Wendy's is like a little- Well, Katy Perry's team is coming after Wendy's Wendy's has been known for being a sassy tweeter for some time With the beef, I think Wendy's is only known to the people who are online Sure, you know people who don't know who Coachella is don't know that Wendy's Wendy's is sassy They just know Wendy's sells a good like chicken a square burger

that Wendy's a sassy. They just know Wendy sells a good chicken nugget. A square burger. A square burger. Nevertheless, but whether you've been paying attention to Wendy's Twitter account or not, they have been a little sassy in the tweets for some time now. But someone from Katy Perry's team

does not appreciate her sassiness. They say, it wasn't a harmless banter. This was a billion dollar brand using its platform to publicly demean a woman. Thoughts, feelings, concerns. Because Wendy's tweeted that they wanted to send Katy Perry back, which as a billion dollar corporation representing a billion dollar, it's definitely like.

It was probably just an intern tweeting that. This is what I wonder too, is like, I'm like, did somebody get in trouble for this or were they congratulated for this? Congratulated, it's making news. We're talking about Wendy's right now. Yeah, we're talking about Wendy's. My favorite part of this was when-

They have great Frosties, everybody. Oh, shout out to the Frosties. I guarantee you the person that tweeted that was like, the second it's like, when the boss calls, it's like, is this a good thing or a bad thing? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Thank you. My favorite part of this was when Katy Perry's

quote unquote team, so Katy Perry was mad that they said So Katy Perry's team was like what's worse is the face of Wendy's is a woman which makes this decision Not just hypocritical but painfully ironic like they really thought they got little miss Wendy Ironic or painfully this is it's not just hypocritical, but painfully ironic. She also said telling a woman that she should be sent back is shameful bullying and reflects a troubling willingness to tear down in today's society. We, amongst many of the other words,

we have watered down, misused, and bullying is up there for me. I'm sorry, just because you talk a little shit to somebody doesn't make it immediately bullying. Have you ever riffed? Christ. God. God. Have you ever had a banter?

Yeah. Have you ever had fun? Have you ever laughed? Goofed? Goofed even? Truly. Well, Wendy's has responded. They have.

They responded and they did not apologize. They said, we always bring a little spice to our socials, but Wendy's has a ton of respect for Katy Perry and her out of this world talent. And parentheses under back. They still want her to leave. They still want her to leave. Dresses for Kesha.

Well, if you guys are missing the entire cast of Love Island USA from last summer, fear not. They will be back on Peacock this summer. Serena, Janae, Erin, Miguel, Leah, Kayla, Connor, Kenny, Olivia, and Kendall. Do you think Connor's on to replace Rob? Rob is the obviously most notable absentee from this list. Cordell is also not on the list, but Serena is, Rob is the obviously most notable absentee from this list.

Cordell is also not on the list, but Serena is, and it seems like there were some, apparently Cordell's booked and busy, which is why he's not part of this cast. Rob is just like out. He's just like, I don't, I'm good. He's doing music videos. He's doing music videos.

Catching snakes. Honestly, like good for Rob. Yeah, he's made a brand. Get him on Animal Planet. Or just like he's stuck to his guns. Like he, a lot of people like talk about what? It sounded like he said he sucked his guns. Sucked his guns?

It did sound that way. He's stuck to his guns. Sorry about that. It's okay, yeah. Well, I'm excited to watch this. I'm so excited about this. Can you imagine the pressure that this upcoming season Love Island USA is in here?

Oh yeah, yeah. That's why I think it's gonna be so messy. I just hope it's not over the top in the sense of just like feeling fake because everyone's trying to like have their like, Leah one-liner, TikTok go viral moment that we're like, none of you actually have real connections. Yeah, but I feel like also seeing that they got a spinoff because they haven't started filming, right?

It's pretty like live kind of. She said it was a docu-follow, which I don't really like. No, I'm talking about this upcoming season of Love Island, you guys say. Oh, no, yeah, they haven't started yet. Yeah, they haven't started filming. So I feel like the contestants who are going now see that the previous contestants got a spin-off.

So they're like, let's fucking bring it. And sometimes, you know, there's a fine line in reality TV between like performing and just being yourself and just like living in the moment. I think this cast that did so well really just lived in the moment. They really just. And USA was like flying under the radar for a while.

So it's like, it wasn't performative in the way, like it was just like, these are their genuine reactions. And then it just blew up because like some of them were just walking soundbites.. But it's like I just don't want people going in there trying to be like okay who can I fight with what's my next overalls like comment. Yeah. Well I'm excited to watch it. Right. Well Leah actually requested to not have certain producers. Do we know is this alleged or is this to. No she she got it in the horse's mouth. Leah requested that certain producers from Love Island USA not be on the spinoff.

She said, I gave them specific names of who I wouldn't work with again. Basically saying that I guess some producers kept her and Miguel away from each other to like keep the Leah and Rob of it all going. And she was like, I'm not down with that. I don't want them around. And they were like, you ask and you shall receive.

There have not been, there hasn't been a single breakup. No. Yet from this cast, which is a little shocking. Well, there was right after. Well, I mean like- I'm not Kailer. I'm addicted to Wia and Miguel's TikToks. Like they are so obsessed with each other

and they're so funny. So I'm so excited just to like watch them the whole time. There is someone who posted a photo of Kailer and Liv arguing at an event they went to. You think it's real or do you think it's staged? Potentially staged, but at least we know there's trouble in paradise. The breakup of blonde moments?

Yeah. No. And Erin, wait, Kayla and Erin under the same roof again? The drama. I cannot wait. Fuck! I predicting a bounce back for Erin. Honestly, I miss hearing fuck, Erin!

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Hi. Hey, Ray. Hello. How are you? Hi. How are you? We're so good. Thanks for joining us.

No problem. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I was scrolling on TwitterX. I don't know what people are calling it these days. No problem, thanks for having me, I appreciate it. I was scrolling on Twitter X, I don't know what people are calling it these days, and I came across your tweets talking all things Bravo, and then I stalked you on Instagram,

and I'm like, we need to get her on the show. Oh, that's so nice, thank you. I hope you didn't say anything too crazy. I just liked that you were just like, you really believed in your commentary, you know I've kind of forgot what you know, but you had some great takes and then obviously I look you know I looked at your background your stand-up comedian your Emmy nominated TV writer I was like we need to get her on do you mind if we start with summer house?

Or do you want to maybe put a bow on your thoughts on the Beverly Hills housewife season? Let's start with Beverly Hills since it's a little further in the distance. Okay, let's start with Beverly Hills. The big thing I think right now, people are trying to figure out the Garcelle exit of it all. This past week, we noticed that Garcelle unfollowed Sutton, which a lot of people were surprised by. What are your thoughts on the exit overall?

Part of me is kind of thinking, you know what, if she wants to go, I'm happy for Garcelle. She seems like she's prioritizing her mental health. I don't know, I'm fine with her leaving, but do you have any other commentary on the situation? I mean, I'm fine with her leaving as well. I thought she probably wasn't particularly well suited for reality TV.

I think Garcelle exists in two separate spaces for me. Like I know Garcelle from, you know, Coming to America, the R. Kelly, I know we don't, we don't talk about him anymore, but the R. Kelly download video series, like she's from the Jamie Foxx show. There's Garcelle over there. And then there's Garcelle on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, who I think never really suited reality TV. She's just too normal a person. And I don't know, I think that she boxed herself in being so tight with Sutton. And she's just had some bad experiences on the show, but she also didn't really like make good relationships or inroads with the women either. And I'm surprised it took her this long to unfollow Sutton.

You know, she's been being passive aggressive on Instagram since the reunion. I thought Sutton would have been the first one. On the car ride home from the reunion, she unfollows Sutton, you know, but it took her this long. When they didn't go get supper, she should have unfollowed her. I didn't understand what that was about. Especially since, you know, my frustration with Garcelle, I in general do not like a passive aggressive housewife. Like there's a certain kind of passive aggression I like if it turns into an explosion. But

she's just someone who is sometimes conflict averse, but then sometimes isn't. And then when she's like confrontational, she's upset that people aren't nice to her back. It's a weird thing. I don't understand it. She don't know how to fight for TV. That's the thing. She doesn't know how to fight for TV. And I just don't like the way she, she, you know, approaches conflict on a show. So one of the things that she did that I found particularly passive aggressive was after the reunion, she posted something to the effect of all skin folk ain't kinfolk. And that's, you know, a common saying in the black community where, you know, there's a person who works against everybody else. And the assumption was initially that it was talking about Anna Marie,

because Anna Marie was being weird, like she always is on the internet about Garcelle. And then the rumors and reports came out about some big conflict between her and Boz at the reunion, and we were going to see why. And so the internet in certain spaces were just trashing Boz as like a bad Black person had sold Garcelle out, all kinds of stuff. And Boze had been asked about it. She said, I'm going to assume it's not about me unless Garcelle says it's about me.

I think Garcelle, if it wasn't about Boze, should have explained that it wasn't about Boze, because that's a major accusation to put on somebody, especially someone we just met on TV this past year. And then when we got to the reunion, I didn't see anything that was particularly sellout worthy. So I was like, that's super whack. I thought that was super whack of Garza. So that was one. That passive aggression in that space was really, really disappointing

for me. And then secondly, like, why are you sitting there pouting for nine hours? And then don't take the picture, but you do the toast. That didn't make any sense to me. It just seemed, it was just kind of, I don't know, it felt more like a tantrum than anything that felt like standing on your business or making a statement. It just felt silly because you stayed the nine hours. What would have been a picture? You know what I mean? I felt like the walkout was kind of performative and staged on Garcelle's end because to your point,

yeah, she did grab the drink. She cheers with everyone. She waited for Andy to be like, let's take the photo. And then she gathers up her dress and says, no, I'm out and walks off. It's like, if you were done, you just walk off as soon as they're like, all right, we're wrapped. Like, you don't cheers with everyone

and like wait for your moment kind of. It's like she's been fantasizing about the exit, those nine hours while she wasn't, you know. I don't know about that. I wouldn't say that it was staged. I think that because at the beginning of the taping, she did say that she wanted to take a photo. I felt like it was something that she wanted to take a photo.

I felt like it was something that metaphorically meant something to her. I think she did care about the picture. I just think it was corny to care about the picture. But it did seem to matter to her. And I think the moment that broke her, which is again, why I was shocked that it took her this long to unfollow Sutton, was when Andy's asking everybody, what's your surprise of the season? And Garcelle's like, oh, I met your mother

and I saw the dynamic between y'all and it made me understand you more. And then Sutton just turns right around. She's like, Erica and I are best friends. I'm like, wow, this girl has been leaving you hanging the whole time. Like it's crazy. And that I think was the moment that broke her. I think there was like a slow build or whatever. But that was the moment that broke her. I guess my disappointment was in how she articulated what was happening to her throughout the nine

hours that she was sitting there. Because Andy was like, do you want to talk about why you're upset? And she was just like, no one smiled at me. I was like, girl, please. She was like, no, they girl greeted me when everyone walked in. But since we've been here, no one has made eye contact with me and smiled. And I was like, yeah, because you're accusing this woman of insurance fraud. Like, I'm not going to smile at you if you accuse me of crimes on national television.

What are we talking about here? This is crazy. You make a good point when you said, I'm not sure if she ever made a good housewife in the way that she fought her battles. And now that you're saying that, I'm thinking because Garcelle has such an illustrious background,

she really compared to a lot of her peers. Yeah, definitely more so than Denise Richards. I know Denise Richards was a Bond girl, but Garcelle had a long ass, really impressive career. And it's kinda almost like, yeah, it's like in a way she feels like she's kind of above the drama in a way that almost like Kyle tries to be,

but Kyle successfully kinda gets other people to have her back. And it just seems like Garcelle really wanted Sutton and maybe some of the other women to like... Be her friend. Yeah, be her friend and kind of like have her back, and like they were just never going to in ways that she expected them to.

But also she didn't, I don't think she cultivated relationships in a way, and you know, like this thing, we've been watching Housewives for what, 17 years? Ugh, ugh, ugh, it's so embarrassing. But we've been watching this stuff since college, you know? And you sort of start to see the formula, you sort of start to see how you're meant to maneuver, particularly on Beverly Hills. I mean, we've seen how much producer interference there is, you know, all the chess moves you have to make

and Garcelle wasn't making them. And I guess she just didn't feel the need to create inroads in certain places. And I also think that her mistake was fan service to the detriment of her relationship to the people in the rooms that she would have to be in. I think that that was a big miscalculation on her part. I think that she's questioning Dorit's robbery because everybody on the internet, it wasn't just four people, Dorit, it was four million people. Like everybody is

questioning that robbery. But I don't have to be in the room with Dorit and I don't have to expect her to smile at me after we get through arguing about it. So it doesn't make sense for her as a human being who has to interact with these people face to face for however many months of filming to just say things that we on the internet callously might say and to forget how human beings interact with one another, which is that you can't indirectly accuse my husband

of a crime and expect me to be your best friend. For her to have forgotten that part just seemed really crazy to me. Yeah, no, I mean, it happens often, I think with the Housewives, where sometimes they forget that there's a huge difference between any of them saying something on this show that is platformed to millions of people

versus any of them reading, you know, whatever, Reddit or blogs or various rumors that are just like being thrown around between fans. Like, and fans are just like having fun being fans, not really knowing who these women are, not having access to their lives off camera. And so when one of these women who do have this incredible access, have these friendships,

know these people's spouses, repeat a rumor or platform these theories, it is just night and day, and the fact that Carcell doesn't see that is why. I think Carcell is not the only one. Even if she was going to, right? She insisted upon it being her feeling. She just felt that way. She just felt that way. She just felt that way.

Yeah. They're entitled to not smile at you because they don't like how you felt. I don't understand this notion. I hate that. I hate the like, it's just my opinion and I can think your opinion is dumb and I can think your feelings are fucked up. Like I just, I thought her rant at the end in the dressing room was so bizarre.

She said, I took accountability and no one had my back. And I'm like, why would anybody have your back? And that didn't look like taking accountability. To me, it looked like you were like, well, that's how it felt. Okay, sorry if that bothered you. Okay, and then I'm not gonna be your friend anymore. I don't understand what she was confused about. Yeah, like taking accountability sounded like her

like doubling down on her opinion. Yes, exactly. And I could see why she felt like people don't give her grace, but people give grace to people they like. I forgive people I want to keep around. I forgive people who are in my life and I don't want them to go.

I'm not gonna give grace to someone who at every opportunity seems combative with me, which isn't to say that those women didn't start conflict with Garcelle. They absolutely have on multiple occasions. But again grace is reserved for people that deserve grace and the way to deserve grace is to be likeable or worth keeping in my life. And I don't think Dorit is crying because Garcelle isn't coming back. Like y'all hated each other. Why would, why would there be grace? And then it sounded to me like, was she saying no one had my back? Like she expected the other women in the group to say along with her that Dorit's robbery was staged, because that means that you also want other people

to get on TV and possibly slander their friends. Like, that's a weird expectation. And I honestly, I think that is the expectation because I know that Gersel's not the only person in this circle of friends who have talked about that rumor. And so she's heard, I don't even know who she's heard, but she's heard other women talk about it. And so yeah, she kind of expected, I guess,

at the reunion to say, well, I know you think this too. I know you've talked about it, but there's a huge disconnect between like, her not understanding why the other women wouldn't wanna bring this up because You're accusing someone of a crime and it's different when you're just having drinks with a friend Yeah, it's weird because I don't understand why she didn't take the social cues throughout the season, right? Like whenever she seemed to try to bring it up on camera Sutton didn't play along so she should have

Anticipated that she wasn't gonna play along at reunion either. Like that just seemed pretty silly to me. Now, however, I think Sutton let her down tremendously in other ways. Like Sutton should have gone after that woman when she left the set. Like Sutton should have followed her friend and been like, but Sutton was sitting there being like, I don't know why she's so upset, like kissing up to these women. And if I had watched that on television, I doubt Garcelle's even watched the reunion probably, I don't think she cares.

But like, if I saw Sutton talking about me with the other girls like that, it would have been over. I don't know why she waited a week to unfollow. Maybe she just watched it over the weekend and then that's what prompted the unfollow. Yeah, probably. Who knows? Props to bowsollow. Maybe she just watched it over their weekend and then that's what prompts the unfollow. Who knows? Props to Boz though, I mean, I actually forgot about that line.

But that's such a great response to an accusation to say, unless I know for sure it's about me, I'm just gonna assume it's not. Boz never takes the bait in a way that most housewives do. She's been one of my favorite housewives, period, and just given the track record, or lack thereof, of new housewives, she's really had an all-star performance season one.

It's really been incredible, especially in Bev Hills, where I think it's even harder to be a newbie. Right. It's really been incredible. I totally agree. I really like her. So I prefer my housewives, I don't want to say like forceful, but like I prefer my housewives powerful and like, you know, one of my favorite housewives ever,

although she is in deep trouble right now, but Kenya Moore is one of my favorite housewives ever. I fell in love with Kenya Moore because on her first season of Real Housewives of Atlanta, she came to the reunion, literally every person on stage hated her. Every single person. And she defended herself and spoke well for herself. And she wasn't backed down. And I like that about Bose. You know, a lot of the time I've seen people online say, oh, they're just going to do to

Bose what they did to Garcelle. Dorie is going to turn on Bose. Kyle's going to turn on Bose what they did to Garcelle. Dorie is going to turn on Bose. Kyle's going to turn on Bose. I don't see that happening because Bose seems so sure of herself. I've never seen someone so self-assured. I envy her self-esteem. Like her self-esteem is like through the roof. It's awesome.

I mean, like I think even when she was on Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Fallon was like complimenting her accolades and she was like, correct. And I was like, yes. I am not worried about her. I'm not worried about her at all. I don't think a Rinna could run her off. I don't think a Dorit or an Erica, nobody can run that woman off.

I think if she gets unlikable for whatever reason, it's gonna be because of her. It's not gonna be because somebody is strong enough to bully her, I don't see it. Do you wanna get into a little, Atlanta? Are you up to speed? Oh yeah, of course. Okay. Of course.

So I mean, you mentioned that Kenya is one of your favorite housewives, where do you see this whole situation with the revenge porn or not? I mean, I know we're not, I don't know if we're calling it revenge porn, because technically it's not, but like, what are your thoughts? She seems to're not, I don't know if we're calling it revenge porn because technically it's not, but like, what are your thoughts? She, you know, she seems to be really, I don't know, in my opinion, still doubling and tripling down,

like, and having kind of these semantical arguments, but I mean, a lot of people in the Bravo fan base have Kenya's back, so where do you, where do you see this whole situation? Well, so if you know anything about Kenya, she loves the semantic and technical argument. She loves technicalities. She loves semantics. That's her.

That's her M.O. So I'm not surprised she's doing that. I think she probably has realized she probably won't get her job back, which is why she's bugging out on the Internet. That makes sense. Because anyone who wanted to stay in Bravo's Good Graces wouldn't be doing what she's doing, which is, you know, doing YouTube videos and explaining her side, you know, doing her confessionals or, you know, retweeting negative posts about Cynthia or all of this. And, you know, she even commented that Andy and his podcast partner sounded ignorant talking about,

like, the incident. I think that she was wrong. I think Brit was wrong. And I think production handled Brit threatening Kenya very terribly. And also I think that Kenya was wrong. I think two things can be true at once, like Brit was an asshole and Kenya was an asshole too. And I think it's okay to say that Kenya did something wrong. I'm not the kind of person who thinks that just because someone has done something wrong to you, you get to retaliate any which way. I think that that is such a silly notion that a lot of the Bravo fandom seems to hold on to.

That if you step on my foot, I get to shoot your mom. That's not how it goes. We have, there's self defense and, and then self-defense turns into murder very quickly if you don't do things the certain way. You can't just walk down on someone who's already retreated and shoot them. And so I feel like Kenya walked down on Britt, who had retreated and shot her, and is trying to be like, no, it was self-defense. This lady showed up with flowers.

Do I believe that apology was sincere? No, I think Britt was worried she'd lose her job and had heard things either through production or the other housewives on the cast and was like, oh, shoot, I stepped in it and tried to make amends. But Kenya wasn't going to listen to that. I think Kenya felt abandoned by production. I don't think she was wrong in feeling that.

I feel, I think she was disappointed in that she realized they probably weren't gonna take the kind of action she wanted them to, which is to fire Brit. And she bugged out, but she bugged out. She bugged out and it's okay to say she bugged out. And I think how she acted was regrettable. I think it's so embarrassing that she did it at her own event. I just didn't understand that. I would not's so embarrassing that she did it at her own event.

I just didn't understand that. I would not make some loser that I'm trying to get fired off the show, the centerpiece of my grand opening. That's astonishing to me. And as a project queen, you would think she would know not to make her moment about somebody else, but she did it.

And I'm disappointed. And there were moments within the last year before the show aired that made her look contrite. She seemed to take accountability on Tamron Hall show. She seemed to acknowledge that she, what she had done was not right to do. And she's, she, she's careful about saying she is wrong and takes accountability, but then she defends herself in ways that make me believe that she hasn't fully Sort of grasp the magnitude of what she actually did in that situation And I'm a member of team twirl

So I understand what we're capable of we feed our narcissist Queen we do We are like team twirl is like Kenya can do no wrong. And so I think that when she saw the online reaction to Brit making the threat and saw all the bloggers and tweets and things saying Kenya was vindicated, she got it in her mind that she was vindicated. And no, she was not vindicated. She was not vindicated. She did something wrong. Again, I think Britt should have been fired or reprimanded or suspended, or there should have been some kind of mediation

between them. But I don't think you get to bug out and show people naked at events because your boss didn't handle a situation well. Well said. What do you make of Drew's divorce and the court documents that she so desperately wants sealed? That was crazy.

At first it makes sense. You don't want your kids to eventually have to read this stuff. I'm like, okay, that tracks. But then she has no problem saying, well, no, because it's all this shit he did. And she kind of starts naming things. I start listing it off.

I'm like, what's the difference? What are you trying to hide? And meanwhile, he's all like, kind of starts naming things. I'm listing it off. I'm like what's the difference? What are you trying to hide? And meanwhile he's all like unseal that shit. You know it's just like whoa. So what do you track with all that? I love Drew because she is a bogus delusional liar. I love it so much. I don't know that we've ever heard Drew tell the truth.

Is Drew even her real name? I love her so much. Ridiculous. I think that Drew and Ralph, their relationship is obviously toxic, but they are the same person and they deserve each other. They're both lying. They're both like, yes, exactly.

I'm telling the world that I want the record sealed, but I'm listing all the things that would go into the documents. That is absurd. Ralph is doing YouTube videos, so he's clearly still in the basement. And also, what man living in a basement, immediately you're a loser. Walking out of Corbyn like, I don't have to leave. That was crazy. The lack of respect that man has for himself is just really impressive. I was like, oh, so he's a happy bum. He's a bum.

He's a bum. He's an absolute bum. Yeah. Because I thought it was standard that the parent who probably doesn't want to be the custodial parent leaves the house. And as we know, the way divorces tend to go, the mom holds onto the kid, the father leaves the home and pays child support.

I don't understand why he's fighting. Why is this judge like, no, stay downstairs. Like, who is this judge? Are they even a real judge or is it like one of their friends? I was very confused about the judge. I would love, I wish they had given us some of the judges reasoning. Yeah.

Because I could not understand why it was like stay in that basement. And he said yes. Show everybody that y'all were cheating. I could not believe it. And his lawyer seemed too ecstatic for me as well. I was like, are you this thrilled to be representing a bum? What are we doing here? Yeah.

We have a lot to obviously still talk about Atlanta, but I wanted to get into Summer House with you before we let you go. A lot happened this past episode. I have empathy for Jesse. Only because he had cancer. It's the cancer pass. I don't like, you know, but I'm not, he's not right.

But this episode, I think took it too far. The Jesse and Lexi. I do think he is, was love bombing her. I do think him being like mad at her for whatever she was doing with West at the club. And then being like, it wasn't the same. It's different than what I did. And like, but I love you so much, let's make up,

let's have sex, let's like spend the night together, everything's fine. 37 minutes watching an orgy is the same as Lexi like- Holding up your drunk friend. Well, in his words, like putting her hands on his shoulder or something, I don't know. West was the one that was giving her a massage according to Jesse.

And she's like, all I did was hold up your duck friend. Why is he mad at... Well, Lexi then. Because he's toxic as fuck. He's creating a fight so that he has the upper hand. Exactly. That's all he's doing. I've had a recent situation with a narcissist, and God bless Lexi.

She's 26, I am 37, and my narcissist got me at 36, and I still fell for that. You know, she's doing pretty good considering she hasn't hit 30 yet. Like, you know, she's a lot more mature than I would have been at that age. But Jessie, I think is a terrorist. Like, there's nothing, I see no upside to this guy. First of all, I don't trust a guy who smiles that much. There's no one that happy. There's nothing that joyful. No, no. I know the whole cancer thing. He's probably just happy to be alive and be here and I get that, but you can't guy smiley me.

It's weird. I can't do it. I can't do it. And also I think I'm a kink shammer. Listen, I'm going to kink shame. I think it's weird to watch your new friend have a have an orgy. I just think that that is weird. And I think it's even weirder to one of the women that's having a threesome with your friend, put your toe in her mouth. If that's all you did, that story is still horrific. And like, I just think like, that's disgusting. I don't know. I just look, look, have all the sex you want to have. But I just think that that's a weird kind of engagement with strangers on national TV when you just asked a girl to be exclusive or you are about to ask a girl to be exclusive. And I think not enough is made of that. I think it's a,

Lexi is showing signs of fight, right? Like she did try to argue with him. She did try to, but you know, she's he's doing what he's doing. He's gaslighting, he's blood bombing. And so like she's gonna, she's gonna figure it out from all of her interviews. It sounds like she has figured it out. So good for her. But that guy, he's, he's, he's that one. What do you make of a Jesse and Sierra's friendship? I think both of them are so wack. I think they're so wack. I think that Jesse, Jesse is the dirt bag, right? Like let's just, that is the headline. Jesse Solomon is a dirt bag. And then secondarily, I think Ciara's movement is so wack. Like she's being really corny. The fact is, at this point, she knows that they're exclusive, even if he's not her boyfriend, right? So at the very least, she should be like, yo, bro, like, get off me,

your girl's sitting right there. Or something, something something that is backing him up off her. If you don't respect your relationship's boundaries, I respect myself enough to not have me be the reason that you're not respecting your relationship's boundaries. Do you feel like her ego was a little shot when it felt like he chose Lexi over her, when he was like, you can't touch, don't touch anymore. And she was like, oh, really?

Honestly, I felt like her response to Jessie was kind of giving girlfriend energy to Jessie. It's just like, I agree. I thought, I thought when she said something to the effect of, uh, oh, if you want to play like that, I can hurt your feelings. I was like, why are you trying to hurt his feelings? You should just be setting a boundary because this boy's a loser and he's trying to flirt with you and then make you look crazy by insinuating that it was you who's doing it to him. It should be about respecting yourself, not hurting his feelings. Who gives a fuck about his feelings? Excuse me. Sorry for swearing. You can swear. One of my frustrations over the course of the series with Ciara is to me, she just seems too interested in male approval or male attention or, and it's usually from dweebs,

like Jessie's a dweeb, Wes is a dweeb, like Austin's a dweeb, like they're all dweebs and it's just like, yo, if I looked like Ciara, Jesse Solomon could not touch me because I would be at some NBA player's house off camera in the Hamptons. Jesse Solomon couldn't touch my knee. I couldn't even.

Right, that was so funny. I finally got someone on my team about Ciara, finally. Listen, I think just back to like last season, I think whatever, West has plenty to apologize for, but aside from what West did and West has plenty to apologize for, but aside from what West did and what he has to apologize for, I think more than anyone, I think Sierra played herself when it comes to her and West.

For everything that you just said. It's not that West wasn't wrong, it's just that she cared too much about getting West's approval, who's probably beneath her in terms of the level that she can get, but because he didn't give her what she wanted, she got so obsessed with getting Wes's approval

and didn't get it, and then even though he's like, I don't want a date, I don't want a date, she tried to close the deal by hooking up with him, and then when it didn't close the deal, it fucked with her ego. And if I'm Sierra, I'm more mad at me, at myself. That's all. I agree.

I personally don't think that the fury that she had displayed earlier on in the season toward Wes was warranted. I think he was a dickhead. And people be dickheads when you're dating. We, you know, there's standard dating. You know what I'm saying? Okay, I don't want to pontificate on this thing too much,

but I think that we've gotten to this place in internet dating culture or just the way we talk about dating online where we don't allow for people to have been a dickhead in their romantic relationships. There's a certain amount of addressing patriarchal stuff or the way men maneuver through society with women that we gotta do. But then there's also just being a dickhead, we didn't get it right the first time,

or I didn't get it right in this dynamic, or this person wasn't for me, and I didn't communicate properly. And I think people have overreacted to Wes not getting it right and not communicating properly. And I think people have overreacted to Wes not getting it right and not communicating properly. And I think they've underreacted to Ciara not setting a boundary for herself and also not communicating properly. I think that you're watching some late 20 somethings not communicating properly. And I don't think that it has to be a weird bashing West session for it. But also, we shouldn't bash her for it. But I wouldn't say that I would be mad at myself.

I was Ciara. I just wouldn't call him a loser at dinner and then go upstairs and admit that I still want to kiss him. Like that you could not pull out of me. Not on national TV. That's embarrassing. I think she just moves embarrassingly. Like even I think last week I saw pictures of her and Jesse at Coachella.

And I'm like, this is loser shit. Like this is loser shit right here. Which isn't to say she can't be friends with her friend. Be friends with Jesse. You know the guy. You like him. You enjoy his company. All good. But you also know that the show is airing and there's a certain narrative being told about you and there's a certain narrative with Lexi on her PR you know tour that Jesse pit y'all against each other and he's manipulating the two of you and that you look kind of funny flirting with this guy who has this girl all goo goo gaga

over him and then you're going to Coachella with him. Fine. Be friends with your friend. Go to a festival with your friend. But the post he's posting about you, like pretending to propose to you and stuff like that. It's just like, you're letting him use you and you're letting him make you look like a fool. And even I think Lexi told some story last week about how she had invited everybody to her birthday party and like, I guess nobody came or whatever, but those two didn't come and they purposely hung out with each other and posted about it. And I'm like, at this point, Ciara, you're being weirdly antagonistic to

this girl who, from what we've seen thus far, hasn't done anything to you. She seems to be in her interviews putting all the blame on Jessie as she should. I don't want to see Lexi going after Ciara. That would be super wack. But Ciara's moving like a loser. She's moving like a loser here with Jessie. Honestly, yeah. I feel like Emeril is the most pointless character on this show. I like him. And I don't understand why he is here.

I mean, he has given us nothing but having sex. Harpies. Literally, harpies. He's given us nothing. He's given us like, no, he hasn't tried. And maybe he has and they've cut it out and they're just making this his storyline and he's just as confused as we all are. But like, I don't understand why he's here. He hasn't tried and maybe he has and they've cut it out and this is they're just making this his storyline

And he's just as confused as we all are but like I don't understand why he's here And I love I was just like I'm uh, you know, I had a hard life and now I need to fuck Everybody You know I I wonder about Emeril because it has to be difficult to like walk into this house full of people who already make connections and he's not sleeping with anybody. So it's not like he's Lexi where he can sort of get grandfathered in that way into the group and even Lexi is still sort of on the outs with these people. But you know, he's just he's like, okay, I'm on TV.

I'm gonna make the most of it. I don't know how you insert yourself in a group that seems that well connected. And I don't really blame him now. Can he be quieter about the sex? Yeah, be respectful. Have some common sense boundaries about like, what's going on, you are in a house with a bunch of people, like just be respectful of people like that.

But I also think that we haven't seen any footage of them trying to get to know him either. So I don't, I don't know what to make of him. I would have liked to see more about a good looking guy in the house with these people because I deserve eye candy too, but they're not showing us anything. And I'm not getting the sense that anybody's trying. And he seems, when people talk to him,

particularly when they were confronting him all passive aggressively, which I didn't like grow up, baby like you didn't have to accuse him of having STDs, just be like quiet your shorties down but um he seemed very mature about it and he seems pretty self-aware I think I wonder if he's getting an unfair edit and also it's hard to join a new group at least West and Jesse had each other to sort of bond with and I don't get the sense that there's anybody that like emerald can come into this dynamic, you know,

tackling everything with together. I feel like him and Kyle, obviously, are friends before. I feel like Emeril did something for Kyle, and Kyle was like, bro, I owe you one. And he was like, get me on Summer House. And that is why he is on this show, is because he did a favor for Kyle and Kyle is like yeah I mean listen I started this show so yeah sure I can get you on and it has got him laid every single weekend

But it doesn't even seem like Kyle's doing much to help him integrate either It was like yeah the first episode that Kyle was like why don't you tell him about your life, and then that was really All right, I'm out. I have to go you tell them about your life?" And then that was really it. It was like, all right, I'm out. I have to go DJ. Yeah, exactly. DJ. I don't think that they're handling him well. I think actually, Emeril would have a very good case for what Garcelle Bove felt on Beverly Hills. Like, no one's smiling at him. He

doesn't get grace. No one's smiling at him. I don't know. I don't know if, I can't tell if that's a production error. If it's just a confluence of like production and then his sort of obsession with sex and then nobody else really making that big an effort. It definitely could definitely be lazy producing, lazy editing where it's just like, they don't know what to do with this guy. Then they have like the page and Craig break of it all.

I mean, they have to like focus on that storyline and things like that. So maybe they just didn't have time. I found it very interesting that Emeril was so good at kickball. I love that. I wanted to know more about why he's so good at kickball. Are you in a league?

What do you do on your weekends when you're not in the Hamptons? He looks athletic, you know? It's a relatively easy sport to pick up, I suppose, but. I want him back another season and I want to know more about him. He deserves another shot. I mean, he's at least willing to be messy.

I've heard everyone, every, like all the rumors I've heard online about Emeril are that he's a really, really sweet guy. Like he's apparently like an angel in the streets and a devil in the sheets is what I've heard. Oh. That's what I've heard. Oh. That's what I've heard. Wow.

But in a way where he communicates with everybody, no girl who's hooked up with Emeril has ever been like, he played me. It's always like, yeah, we had sex and it was great. We were just gonna have sex straight up. He seems very, very aware of what he's doing and communicates that with everyone to make them comfortable and he does it

and then he's a nice guy. Oh, I love that. He can say it close, that's for sure. He seems like a good communicator, even from the small stuff we've seen. Like the way that Ciara was talking to him, she couldn't have talked to me like that. She was very passive aggressive, rude, in my opinion.

And the way that Paige even threw out the STD test, I mean, he's a man, So of course, he's not going to yell at these women or anything like that. But you could not talk to me crazy like that. He communicates very, very well in those moments. Yeah. Oh, you know, I would like to see more of him, even when he was talking about his cousins coming from Bangladesh and at the Shabbat dinner. And they said, Sierra says, "'Tell us that you love us in Bengali.'" And he said it and no one seemed impressed besides Sierra.

I was like, oh, they're not like, I don't know. People didn't seem excited about him, you know, in the same way, whereas like when Jesse sang, and obviously he was singing, so it's not exactly the same, the Shabbat prayer. It was more like a big reaction to him. I think just, I don't know that Emeril's just getting the same chance, that's all.

Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Ray, this has been so much fun. Thank you. Please come back. Thank you for having me. Yeah, you have great takes. You guys are fun. Can you let my audience know where they can find you,

follow you, plug anything you want to plug yes Yes, yes, you can find me on Twitter at Ray Sonny Rae sa double ni and I'm on Instagram at Ray Sonny eight seven. I shouldn't tell people how old I am, but Instagram won't let me take that eighty seven off so You know, all right right well whenever you're in LA So that's it. Stand up around New York, you know. All right. Right. Well, when whenever you're in L.A., let us know. Otherwise, we'll just have you zoom in and again.

Oh, for sure. For sure. Thank you so much for having me. Oh, my pleasure. Thank you for taking the time. Bye. Bye. Bye. All right, guys. Bye. Great takes. Great. Love. I thought it was before we get to Humble Bragg, I thought it was just really interesting to hear Page just talk about her relationship with Craig in a sense that like, how she has like, kind of everything's happening for her right now

and she's never felt more anxious. Yeah. I mean, the implication is that she, obviously this has to do with her feelings towards Craig or lack thereof, but like, it is just really interesting that feeling. I mean, like right now I feel like, you know, just in my life really interesting, that feeling, I mean, right now I feel like, just in my life or our life, professionally,

I've never felt more, both excited and at the same time more anxious. And I also think it's just a normal feeling. It's higher stakes. It's higher stakes, you feel like you have more to lose, especially if you're someone who's never been to the place that you've gotten to. And then you're like, holy shit,

you're just like, don't fuck it up. I'm just like, and it seems like Paige and Craig, we've talked about it at Nausia, we've talked about how it's a lack of compatibility, but I just hope that this time in Paige's life with all the things that are going on in her life and all the good things that she didn't overthink her relationship with Craig.

You know, I don't know. And maybe like her anxiety is coming from, who knows, right? Like, you know, maybe it is coming from her relationship with Craig. Maybe she is in fact listening to her body finally and it's telling her, hey, Craig is great, but he's not my guy.

You know, but it just, from personal experience, I know that having a lot of great things happen for you in a lot of aspects of your life, you think you're supposed to feel one way, only to feel another, and it's a very weird, fucked up feeling to have. And I just watching Paige talk about that feeling, I related to, and I just, I very much hope that like,

it's not one of those things where she looks back a couple years from now and says, as imperfect as we were, I had a good thing with the guy. So, I don't know. Having anxiety and going to be alone and then hearing someone fucking. Yeah. Like that would actually send me over the edge.

Yeah. I would've been banging on the wall like, shut the fuck up. And you could tell she was so, like you could see the anxiety just on her face like coming through her skin. She's like, I have to be alone. I'm clearing off this bed. I'm getting in this bed.

I need silence. Like I need, and then like the thumping and the fake moaning, it would, yeah. As someone who's next door neighbor tends to at times have very loud performative sex, it's literally the most infuriating thing in the world. Fake moaning is brutal. It's pretty, yeah.

It's awful. Do we need this? Absolutely not. You're just trying to like cry. We just started. You're literally just trying to have like your at home cry where no one's around and then you're, anyway. All right, up next, the ladies from Humble Bragg.

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N-A-N-I-T.com, Nanit. Parenthood looks different here. I'm obviously very excited about these things. They're very, I don't know why. So like, yeah, so. Okay, so anyways, Crystal and Cynthia, welcome back to the show. Thank you, thank you.

We have no structure on how we write, sorry. We were talking about, these are Labooboos? Labooboos. Labooboos, yeah. And you have one, isn't he cute? I will say I've been playing with one for the past three minutes and I am a little into it. So you're a fan of like the purse charms, the bag charms. It's very Asian.

This is like the new troll? Yes, yes. My mom used to collect trolls. Yeah, and it's a good thing. As a kid, I didn't have money to, my parents wouldn't lean into stuff like this. But what was very, I went to college in China for a year. And so what got really popular

were cell phone beads and chains, right? So Asian culture is very childish. We like little kitty things. So everything's hanging. And then people started hanging like stuffed animals off their phone. So this is like very not a big deal. But this is a Chinese company called, I don't not, it's not sponsored or anything.

I just, but if you hear me, I love you. So you don't work for them to just be clear. I don't work for them. I just give them a lot of money. So aren't we in a trade war? Well, I'm Chinese. I get to bypass all of that. In fact, Rob's on the way to China right now.

Oh my God. Yes, Lucy's driving to the airport and I have given him very clear instructions. He's like, I'm not going, but Sabrina, who's our friend, she actually came and quartered with us once, like she just sat under, but she's meeting him there in Beijing and she's bringing an empty suitcase

to fill it up with Labooboos. Oh, wow. Can we get one for River? I will give you one. I will buy River one. I'll buy one, I'll buy all of them. You're gonna get obsessed. No, they're super rich, let her buy one. Yeah, I actually like I need one.

I've learned to not say I'm rich because she gets all the free stuff. I don't get free stuff, so. Like the first time you brought it up, I just played along and just tried to be cool and act like I knew what you were talking about, but it won't go away. You like brought like a bag full today.

I'm like, okay, this is happening. So what is this and why am I holding it? And why do we care? So Pop Mart is a store and the guy, this 36, seven year old Chinese guy who created, created this company, they're like sealed. I mean, adorable. Oh, that's cute.

Nick, you've never looked cuter. That is adorable. And so they're sealed. Like you open the box and you don't know what color you get. So it's like, yeah. Surprise. So it's a surprise toy. I like a surprise.

So he kind of created this thing. And I think what I read is that he might be, it's probably not the richest, but he's multi, multi-billionaire, multi-billionaire. So they have licenses with Disney and stuff like that. It's almost like, not the bobbleheads, you know the ones with the big head characters? Funky, funk pops.

The pop head things. Yeah, funky, funk pops. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys remember Garbage Pail Kids? Of course, I just heard that yesterday, Garbage Pail Kids. I know, I know this. Okay, I love toys. I have a 25 year old. So anyway, so these ones I'm holding,

is they're called Crybabies. Sounds like an infomercial. I know, I love toys. And you're sure you don't work with these people? And if you call right now. I feel like that's a check coming Chris's way. So LaBoubou became this crazy, crazy, everyone's trying to find them.

They're all over the streets. They're all the foofoos now. Can you buy them in America? So you have to wait in line. And if they refill, they're gone in seconds. If you go on TikTok, you'll see people wait nine hours in line. Yeah, it's crazy.

But what happened was when we were in Spain for spring break, Zoe seemed to think that she was going to find one. She was very committed to finding one in Spain. I was like, you're never going to find one. We walked by this store, we walked by twice over the week, but they were. And then all of a sudden there's a babooboo at the window. We started screaming, all of us.

We ran in. Even Rob. Even Rob. He screamed aloud. I'll tell you, he's like, what? And by the way, we had found this one, the cry babies, which is popular, but not like a Labooboo. And Zoe goes, dad, look what I bought today. Cause he was at the hotel working and he goes, oh, cute.

She's like, we only spent $65. Rob's like, what did you spend on that thing? I was like, shh, you're not supposed to tell them the price. But I felt very excited about it. Cause I knew it was worth double, right? Cause I'm a value person. So I'm obviously very excited. I'm like shaking because I'm super excited.

Like Rob's going to bring home a bunch. So anyway, so we see this store. We run in and the guy in Spain happens to be Chinese. He's like Spanish Chinese. And I stop talking Chinese. I'm like, is that real? He goes, it's real. And I was like, oh my God.

And he goes, we have a new shipment. We have we have two new box, like three boxes of six, and they're behind him. By the time we get to that sentence, there is a guy coming around and starts grabbing, there's like, LabouBou keychains. He starts, not even making, just pulling them all off, all off, and then another guy comes behind me, he goes, are you taking those?

I'm like, yes, we're taking all of them, and then I look at Rob, I'm like, everyone's here to buy them, he goes, buy them all, like, because suddenly? I'm like, yes, we're taking all of them. And then I look at Rob and I'm like, everyone's here to buy them. He goes, buy them all. Like, because suddenly now we're like under pressure. And all of a sudden people just start like surrounding us to buy them. It was crazy.

So like now I'm like, oh man, this is really coveted. I need all of them. So we hand carried. Like we, I usually- We usually divorce Rob if he's like, I forgot to buy some. Yeah, like he came- I got super busy if he's like, I forgot to buy some. I got super busy and I just like forgot.

With an empty suitcase. The papers are ready. But don't worry, he knows. He doesn't want the wrath of me. He's very aware. He even said I'll hand carry them home because the kids don't want the box. I know you're looking at me like I'm a crazy person.

Look how cute, look at, he was protecting you. What's his name? We haven't named him yet. I have a question. So just- I just like that you can, like, you can, do you take the hat off? Yeah.

So that one is a capybara outfit that Max found at that store. But you can go on Etsy and they have, yeah. So what's your question? All right, I have a question. So just so I'm clear, because I've never heard of this until right now a week ago And then you brought it back up again, and now i'm holding one. These are not just for children grown adults

Collect these as well. Yes, they're collected items now. Crystal's like, what do you think I am? Yeah, no, but I thought you were just buying them to sell them to children No, okay. So no, okay. That's the part of the story. So when we bought all of them. That sounded weird. I thought you bought them to sell them to kids. So, I mean, it's a toy at the end of the day. Am I not, am I crazy? Is this not like a little cute stuffed animal?

It is a toy. So yes, you've brought up something that's very important. So when we bought 18 of them, because there were three packs of six, I had said to Rob, okay, here's the, because he's like, this is crazy. It's very expensive. So I said to Rob, this is what I'll do. Cause you can sell them for like three, four times online. So I said, I'll sell as many as I need to, to

recoup the money and the rest we get to keep. He goes, fine. So literally yesterday, he said, how many of you sold and I haven't even put them on yet. You already knew that answer. Cause I can't, what if, okay, there's a surprise one, which is the dark brown one. It's like, which one do we sell?

Well, that's a problem because you don't know what's inside. So if I sell the magic one, which is the dark brown one, that would cover. It's like selling a lottery ticket. You haven't scratched off yet. Exactly. Wow.

I understand your plight. So now I'm. What's the magic one? So there's a really special one that's dark brown. And I obviously- Why is that one special? Beat him and Max is, cause it's like rare, super rare to get that.

Okay. So Max is literally like, what if we sell the brown one? What, like we're going to feel so bad. I'm like, well, we won't really know. Just open them up and then staple them back. Right? But by the, you know, you could also sell them

and video to like, people know you could also sell them and video, like people will pre-buy them and let you unbox it with them on Zoom. Do you ever think you'd leave Housewives to haul kids toys? Why do you think I left? Now you've discovered what I'm doing. Do you feel like if you were still on

and you were like talking to the women about this, do you think they would also get involved? I mean, I think they would try to to get that bag, but I'm not, no. But I would probably gift it to them on the show. What about the clothes? Just to feel really like I'm really like flexing. You are trying to Zopra. Yeah, there you go. So anyways, but I'm not giving any of these away.

What about clothes? I thought it was like I saw something like they had clothes. Like Gucci. They're like, where do you buy their clothes? So it's not real Gucci. Yeah, so that's the outfit. So this one's naked. So it comes with, you have the option to buy the bear

or whatever this is. And then the thing. What is this? What is this animal? It's a Labooboo. But what's a Labooboo? Like what is that? He's his own person.

He's not a bear. Okay, well. It's a mythical creature. It's a mythical creature. Wait, so you're not holding cherries. Got it, but where do I buy his clothes? What is that? It looks like cherries.

It is cherries. Yeah, yeah. They're called cherry cry babies, twins. Yes, of course. Where do I buy the clothes if I wanted? Natalie, please. Mine doesn't have clothes. If I want to get clothes.

He's naked. We have an outfit. We have a panda outfit for him, but Max didn't like the panda outfit. So that's one Zoe's actually this one's. You can buy a bunch with your, the extra $160,000. You want to have to get out. That's true.

I could start a business as well. Do you need a partner? Well, I might. I've recently came into a big sum of money. And I've recently lost a lot selling the combine these. So, um, yes, let's. So yes, where's your money? We should talk. Have you been paid yet?

I can confirm that I have not actually, the money has not hit my account. Okay. But I will be seeing the cast tomorrow at a huge Hulu event, Forgot to Get Out. And that is something that I will be asking. Oh. I mean, it's kind of like, I know it's coming. I mean, who, who, who, who, who, who do not want to smoke with me?

I know it's coming. And the great thing about it is my partner Stein is, you know, he's very trustworthy, like I felt like that was part of picking, he was the one that ran. Like I used his legs to get out because I couldn't get out. But does he technically get the money? Well. See I was actually And you're just trusting that he would

I had to trust. split it with you. But did you run out together or did he actually run out? No, I had the point of getting him. If I could run out, I would have did it myself and just escaped by myself. So he's technically the winner. Kind of sort.

You just didn't push that button fast enough. So maybe. Well, I did not. I pushed it after he got out. But yeah. What's, I forget his name. Was he a paparazzi? Who?

He was like a writer. Yeah, he was called a writer. He was the first one that tried to escape. Steve, he tried to get out in a garbage can. It looked like Hulu casted a paparazzi. That was like. No, he actually works for, he's a journalist. So yeah. Well, okay. He was relentless.

He was actually really funny. For Star Magazine, no. Yeah, but it was a fun game. Like you guys should all do the show. I'm sure it's gonna get a second season. Everybody's talking about it. I can't even believe I won. She always says that to me, like,

oh, you should do that show. I'm like, they're not offering me. They know what offers me shows. But if I keep saying it. They'll offer her. If I keep putting it into the universe, they're going to call. I'm like, wait a minute. Like you get shows, you get offered. I don't get offered anything it into the universe, they're going to call. I'm like, wait, like you get shows, you get offered.

I don't get offered anything. Because you keep saying that you're so booked and busy with the Labooboos. Yeah, you're on the show. Because you say, I need money. I need to pay for these things. And I feel like I'm cheaper than you. Would you do traders?

Yeah, we talk about it every episode. Every day. Yes, I think I'd be a great trader. For sure. Because I'd walk around like dolls. People think like, the girl's so stupid and like whatever, and then I would just like, behind their back just stab them.

I wanted to make it work this season, but it couldn't happen. I hope you passed my name along. I did. And didn't go long. I don't have that much power, you know. Well, that's next season. I mean, they love housewives.

Would you do it later? I've been wanting to do it. Yeah. I've been asked in the past. It's just, I just haven't been able to make it work with the sketch, you know? Would you wanna be a traitor or a faithful? I think it'd be fun to try either.

Yeah. I think I'm better at finding liars and being a liar. Can I tell you, if I was on your season, I would assume that you were a traitor. That's why I think it'd be better if you were faithful because you would have to constantly prove your, I would just think you were a traitor automatically. I think I would it'd be better if you were faithful because you'd have to constantly prove your, I would just think you're a traitor, automatically.

I think I would go in with a target on my back, for sure. Don't you think? But I also think the only thing I'm going for me is I'm kind of an obvious, I'm too obvious. Like the same reason Wells got out episode one is because everyone was like, oh, there's no way he's a traitor, so let's call him a traitor.

He's like the affable guy that everyone doesn't suspect where a lot of people, it would be the opposite. I think a lot of people would suspect me. Well, that could still get me in trouble. Yeah, did you hear what she said? Oh, I just said you had trader energy. Fuck you. Fuck you.

I didn't want that to get bypassed. I mean, it's really a compliment if you want to do the show. Kenya kind of said fuck you to you. Oh God. Okay, can we just go back to traders really quick? That transition, I thought he was good. This is a scene that I'm not getting in.

Oh my God. She said let's not talk about it. No, no, no. But then I want to talk about it. I want to talk about it. No, I want to talk about it. I want to talk about Got to Get Out, and I want to talk about Traders,

but this is what I don't like about Traders. You guys didn't ask. You didn't ask, but I'd just like to just say, if I was on the show, which I hope guys didn't ask. You didn't ask, but I'd just like to just say, if I was on the show, which I hope I get to do it one day as well, I don't like if I'm casted as a faithful and then I become a traitor later. Like I just want to be a faithful or I want to be a traitor.

I don't like when they do that. Usually you have the option. But it's not my show. To say no, yeah. We usually have the option to say no. I think this season. I think there's like one opportunity early on where you can bring in somebody or kill someone

and then the final time that that happens, it's either you accept being a traitor or you go home. Or you go home, yeah. You have to accept. Oh, okay, so you don't. You have to. But everybody always accepts. I just thought you just had to accept.

Did anyone not accept? Didn't Peter Weber not accept? Peter Weber last season. Oh, he didn't accept. Often they don't accept. Okay. Yeah, Peter Weber didn't last season. Well, as you can see, I'm not a mastermind with these competition shows.

I just somehow. Well, it really is fat. I mean, you know, Netflix had a million dollar secret. I just watched that. It's good. It's good. That was just. I wanna do that one.

How did you like being mixed up with other reality TV stars and then, you know, half normies? Oh, I thought that was great. I thought that was the perfect mixture for the suit. What did you like being mixed up with other reality TV stars and then, you know, half normies? Oh, I thought that was great. I thought that was the perfect mixture for the suit. What did you like about that, Marissa? Well, I liked that the people that I did know, they were all interesting and I got to know them.

And then it was like, I've never worked with, like I've worked with Kim on Housewives of Atlanta, but we were never like super friendly on Housewives. So we were roommates. I got to actually get to know her and I really liked her and I'm gonna see her tomorrow for the Hulu event or whatever. And I know Omarosa but I've never slept in a twin size bed

right beside her before. And she's like, when she walked in I was like, oh shit, this got real, this is good. But she was like super nice and like normal, like as soon as she walked in she was like, I got you sis and I was like, thank you Lord. But anyway, yeah. What'd you think of Spencer Pratt? Oh, Spencer was great.

I actually didn't really know who he was, but everybody kept saying, Spencer Pratt is in here. Like, I just don't know. If I know you, I know you. If I don't, I don't. And I love him, but I just didn't know that he was like Spencer Pratt. So I didn't really focus on him a lot.

He was kind of like a loner in there. And then when I saw the show, of course he was like doing the most, but I just always saw him walking around looking for clues. I didn't even know he was really in play half of the time. He just was kind of doing his own thing. But I had my eye on my guy that got us out. We were the only ones to actually get out of the house.

And I liked him because he was like a little, he was quiet, very unassuming. But when I did talk to him, he did mention that he was like, you know, a big adventure guy. He's always like jumping off cliffs and going to all these crazy dangerous locations and doing all kinds of dangerous stuff. And I was like, well, if he can do all that, he can run his ass out of this,

down this driveway and get out the gate. He's like, I'm gonna start crying. Why are you laughing? Like, I said, yes, I do. Is that headphones? What, my headphones are wrong? What? I thought you did it on purpose.

They're backwards. Oh my God, no wonder I can't hear that well. I thought you did it because Chris was not wearing them. Oh Lord. She put the speaker outwards. I had a late flight. It was in case you wanted to hear it. She wasn't giving one to me.

This is much better. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Okay, all right, well then, can we start over? I'm sorry. I didn't hear the half part of the podcast. So Kenya said fuck you in her. Yeah, this is my Kenya side. She didn't, she said let's not talk about Cynthia.

Yeah, like that. Thank you. But that was good, I actually like that for you. Oh, okay. I love that for me. I didn't take that as necessarily talking shit. I didn't either. Well, she didn't take that as an opportunity. I was very grateful for it. Yeah, well, no, I see what you mean.

A lot of people talk about talking shit. I think she was a little upset, but I also, it's like, I'm not even gonna go there right now. But I will say, I didn't really, I just watched the clip, I didn't watch the thing. But man, the comments were very not positive to Kenan. They were like enough already, enough. What were they saying?

I didn't mean. She acted like it was a confessional essentially, right? And, but like every time I see stuff like that happen, I'm reminded how quickly audience moves on. Like two weeks ago, it was Team Kenya, da da da. Two weeks later, it's like, oh God, enough already. We don't care, we've moved on. And it's sad because it's like her life

and it's like, we all go through that, but like audience is very quick. They are done with her. Did you watch this most recent episode of Atlanta? I did, yes. Did you also find it absolutely laughable that Drew was trying to compare her like, people have talked about me,

I understand what you're going through to Britt after all of her being like, no, I get it. I get what you're going through. Like people have talked about me online too. And it's like, those definitely aren't the same though. Like having your naked photos on a poster board and like people being like- Performing fallatio, no, it's not the same.

I mean, as a housewife, you know, we've all been talked about and dragged to a certain degree. Totally. But I think if I had to pick one thing I wouldn't want to happen to me, it would be someone showing me performing. Well, yeah. Is Kenya just gonna be like,

she oughta done it? I don't know. Listen, I have done my last interview really speaking about it, to be honest, because I get asked about it all the time and I've just already said what I've said, so I don't know, I don't really know. It's just like hanging, it just keeps talking.

Yeah, yeah. And going. What do you make of Drew's divorce? Do you feel like she has something to hide or Ralph has something to hide when it comes to, it didn't make sense why she wanted to seal those documents so bad, and then blame it on Ralph's behavior,

but then she was also like, no, no, no, it's all because of Ralph, and he's done this, and he's done that, and it's like, well, what are you trying to keep a secret? And then he was the one who wanted those documents unsealed. Did you think anything? You know what, I've been married and divorced twice, and I was lucky enough for the men that I married to just

Let me be divorced and leave me alone Wasn't working out anymore. So I'm so grateful for that And then I see all these other divorces that are just so complicated Like I look at Drew and Ralph and I just thank God that I didn't Marry Ralph No, I love Ralph he's a great guy. I'm just glad I didn't marry him because That's all I can say. Is he kind of a bum? No, I love Ralph. He's a great guy. I'm just glad I didn't marry him because I'm like,

why is he not? Listen, I'm a Pisces. I'm a lover of love. When the shit is working, let it work. But when it's over, they should just call it. It just shouldn't take all of this. No, we can't break up and you live in the basement. Why does he live in the basement?

No, I want you out of the house. I preferably want you out of the state, if possible. And he's excited to live in the basement. When that judge... It's a nice looking basement though. It's just too much. It's just too much. I feel like there's no point of separating

and getting a divorce and still living in the same house. Like I get the whole thing. Like I think, you know, the focus should always be the kids and what's going to be good for the kids. But I'm like, if like, I just like a quick, just make it in, just make it stop. I just think it's just not good. And it just feels like it's just going,

it's gonna be worse. Like it just is just going down the rabbit hole. Did you feel like it was fucked up on Angela's part to invite Drew to Portia's birthday trip in Nashville? I understand what Angela was trying to do, but she's still getting, she's still getting to know Portia. I know Portia more than I know Angela.

And I know like from Portia's birthday, when Portia's not fucking with you, she's not fucking with you. So I felt bad. I love what Angela was trying to do, but I felt bad for Drew because I knew when she showed up, it was not going to be a very welcoming situation for her. But also to have everyone in Nashville

talking about Drew coming and then pan to Drew back in Atlanta, FaceTiming Dennis. I was like, oh, that's okay. That's one way to go, you know? Yeah, yeah, there was that. She's not done in the Dennis space. Look, if, okay, we're on a TV show. We're going on a cast trip.

We want all the cast to be. Yeah. But here's the thing. If a cast member is telling me, I do not want Cynthia to come, matter of fact, they don't invite me, they make it very clear they don't want me to come, there's scenes with people telling me that she doesn't want me to come,

I'm going to try my best to fight not to be there, to be on. Because I know I'm walking into a very uncomfortable situation. That's true. So, that's true. When Portia was, I don't know who said it, they're like, that's not what it's about.

And she's like, it's about me, it's my birthday. Yeah, Portia. I was like. Which, I mean, it was a birthday, and it was a birthday celebration. And I think for your birthday celebration, you should get to be around the people that you, you know, curate the list to be around.

Yeah, it was like Angela had good intent of being like a peace trip. And then Portia's like, this isn't a peace trip. We had a peace brunch. That didn't work very well. This is my birthday. That was far from being a peace brunch. No, that was crazy.

Crystal, now that the whole season. Leave me alone about it. You are a housewife. I am a friend of the show, which means that I actually should have a very limited amount of smoke when it comes, when it comes to these types of appearances because you're right. Your name is everywhere.

No, you see a little little booboo in his head. I'm not like Cynthia This is not a peach. I'm not like Cynthia, what the fuck did you do? Do not ask me peach questions. I'm more like, I'm more like. Ask me Laboumou questions. You're asking me housewife questions when I'm a friend. Wait, Cynthia, though, you have to admit,

you have more confessionals and like air time than a friend of I have ever seen in a year. They made you a maid. Okay, okay, that's true. I am a special friend. I will say that. I do get treatment. I do.

But I think that's just an OG thing. It's just a respect thing. And that's pretty cool. I mean, I was on the show. I was a housewife for over a decade. So thank you for throwing me the respect. So that's cool. That's why we want to know your opinion.

You're like the omniscient narrator now. I've been given my opinion. Like I literally have been on a press tour and I've been talking about this for two weeks and I just can't talk about it anymore. And of course, no one's gonna be like, oh, they just keep asking Cynthia this. The people on social media literally think

I just want to get up and put my wig on and my CB Vora hat on and talk about this all day long. No, we are forcing. I actually don't. We are. You guys are pulling the words out of my mouth, basically. Truly. We're bullies. Yes. I'm We're bullies. Yes.

I'm so being bullied today. And I keep making it and every time I do an interview, I'm like, so I'm just putting it out there that this is my last time talking about this situation. And every time I'm in another interview going, this is my last time talking about this situation. But this is- It's Kenya's fault. But this is it.

Look. Yeah. It's Kenya's fault. This is really the last time. Like at this point, I love Crystal talking about it. Like you have some good points because you actually go and you read and you like, you know Look at all the things and then you tell me it's kind of like how I did for Beverly Hills Like yeah, this is my thing where I'm like, I don't talk about this You know was like really good friends with Yeah, yeah

Do you think there's gonna be a blow-up response Portia's friend alleging Drew sucked Dennis's dick? Oh, I forgot that, that was said on there? It's a teaser for next week. She said it and then it was like next episode. See that one more time, see the sentence one more time. Is there gonna be a blow up? Portia's friend at the table in Nashville, accuses Drew sucked Dennis's dick

and then in Portia's confessional, she's like, yeah, he would be like, they just gave me head. Well, they just gave me head. And they just gave me head. Like, she admitted that. I think it's always going to have, I was going to say blowback, but that was a weird choice. I'm sorry. No pun intended.

But yes. Of course. But again, I think this is going to be one week. And then the next thing's like, that's what's crazy about this show. Especially Lana. Like, you guys are so heightened and like crazy things happen,

but everyone moves on to the next thing. They really do. But like if that happened on Beverly Hills, it would be the entire season. That'd be three years. I can't even imagine you guys talking about getting Dick sucked on Beverly Hills. No.

Kyle won't even talk about being next to Morgan. I know. And Atlanta's over here just doing, You're all crazy over there. Sucking. Like, sucking and I won't say that ever again. See when you got her like relaxed, it's crazy. Cynthia's nuts.

No, I mean, no because I'm like, I've had like three hours of sleep so. You only get- I take advantage of her. I know. We will always want you to talk some tea. I know, I know. What about Britt alleging that Angela's husband had a baby on her?

This is crazy stuff. What about that, Crystal? What about that? What about that, Crystal? There's called DNA test, right? I mean, I don't know. This shit's so, I can't even, what you're saying sounds like a soap opera.

It's wild. It doesn't even sound like real people. And this was all one episode. All in one. And I think we're only like episode five or six. But that you guys are able to sort of bypass, I also feel that too. It's like, everyone still like stands

all the girls on the show. It's like, these things are massive accusations. They're massive life altering things. Like, I don't even, I mean, leather pants to me affected me for many years. Like this I could- Oh my God, that's such long hanging fruit for Atlanta. I know.

I wish somebody would talk about my leather pants on the other half of Atlanta. I was very conscious of wearing leather for like three years. Like I could never handle like- Do you still have those pants? Hell yeah. Rob like is like, will not let me wear them

because he wants them protected. In a case. They're in a la boo boo case. That's what you need to be selling. I feel like you get a lot of money for those leather pants. They're like famous. They are famous. They are.

Yes, they are. Crystal. Yes. Garcelle has unfollowed the entire Real Housewives of Beverly Hills cast. Does she still follow you? Including Sutton. Yes.

She still follows you. Yes. Have you heard from Garcelle? I talked to her the day of the announcement. Including Sutton. Yes. She still follows you. Yes. Okay. Yes. Have you heard from Garcelle? I talked to her the day of the announcement. Okay. Yeah, so right away.

Before or after? Right after, I saw it and then I messaged her and then she called me when we were in Marco. We talked for a little bit and that was it. Could you put some context around her exit? No, because I didn't ask her about it. You know, because I know what it feels like. It's too new.

It was just more of like, hope you're great. Thank you. It was time. That was it. It was very, and I'm not pushing anybody because like it took me months to even mention it. Like your exit was pretty calm. And it just was more like,

not coming back. Not coming back. Yeah. You know, like enjoyed the run. Correct. So even, so for me, it was tough enough to deal with it. So with her being kind of public, and then obviously from what I saw,

she felt quite betrayed by Sutton and the girl. Not necessarily the girls, but like. It seems centered around Sutton. Yes, that's what I mean. It seemed very much about Sutton. So the last thing I need to do is probe someone about that. I saw it, it's like, you know, but yeah, she apparently she still follows Jennifer and Kathy,

which makes sense. Yeah, but I wasn't even there this year, so it's. Do you think it's centered around Sutton? Yes, or? Or is it a combination of, like, did she quit the show because of this few with Sutton, I guess? I think yes. Or is she ready to be done? Because that was like her last friend.

And if her last friend doesn't have her back, then why stay on the show? I think her in the moment, because you know, and you could speak to this, you've done so many. I'm good. You just said, you just said. But I'm saying about reunions.

Okay, go ahead. There is, you can't even describe walking into reunion. The stress, the pressure, the fear, the anxiety that you have is so heightened. It's really, really stressful because it is, it's just standing in front of a firing squad the whole time. And so when you go in there, you know the packages, right? It's like you're a little package

and then everyone comes for you. Like you need someone to help you. And if you're on your own, you gotta be really strong to do on your own. I mean, I'm not, and I always felt alone, but like that's why I kind of shut down a lot until I felt really strongly about something. But like, I mean, Garcelle has rode for Sutton

for so long in almost, like I just wanna be careful of my words, I just, sometimes it wasn't warranted and- She was like having Sutton's back out of principle, like out of being her friend. Out of being her friend. Not because Sutton was right. Right, and there's a lot of people that do that

and I think that's great for that kind of friendship and there's people who are like gonna call someone out and she really, and I think not only that Sutton, again, to be honest, I didn't watch it, I just seen clips, but the clips are enough. No, I'm saying I didn't see the whole context of the episodes, but from what I saw, it seemed like she was on her own,

and Sutton didn't defend her. On top of that, not defending her to the women that she felt like were against the two of them together. And then all of, so in her mind, I imagine it's like, oh wait, are you now, not only do you not defend me for me, but like, are you now part of them? And so she, you can't move forward like that. I get that.

Like you can't, I would not go back if I really felt like I was on an island like that. Like you can't, I would not go back if I really felt like I was on an island like that. Do you feel like Garcelle was invalid and because this is her, she's gone to several reunions, she knows how it works, to expect the women to smile at her and connect with her throughout the reunion knowing that everyone is on edge and nervous?

Yeah, I saw this mild comment. It's hard for me to think that that was the only knowing that everyone is on edge and nervous. Yeah, I saw this mild comment. It's hard for me to think that that was the only thing that happened. I think that was like used to like explain. Yeah, I kind of wonder if that was a soundbite without context. But I think what she really was feeling was like, I walked in and I could, like you were saying,

you know you say you go into an event. She's like, shh, leave, I'm not here. No, but I'm referring to what you're saying, it's like when you go to an event and no one's looking in the eye, and you're like, wait a minute, when you're not really, you didn't expect to be like the one being shot at,

you're like, wait, what's happening? And so that feeling- It usually means you are the target. You're the target. And I think that she, based on them using that, is showing that she wasn't expecting to be the target. So she was really surprised and was, she felt surprised, like she wasn't expecting that.

So that's my opinion. Another thing that the audience members are struggling with is Garcelle kind of standing her ground when it came to her opinion about the reed and the whole robbery of it all. And honestly, as a fan of the show, I've had the opinion that that whole situation is murky, shady, questionable.

And as fans, I just feel like it's one thing for us to speculate and talk about things we watch on a show. And we know that in that group, it seems like a lot of people have speculated, but even there's just a difference between housewives getting together as friends or fans talking online about rumors

versus actual housewives who are part of these groups going on these shows and then saying, I think this, and I, you know, and I, that's just how I feel, you know? And I think a lot of the audience members are struggling with like, whether they agree with Garcelle's opinion or not, just recognizing that like, you're still kind of accusing her of like.

A fraud. A fraud. Yeah, on television. On television. I understand, I understand. With access to these people, and it's different than like gossiping in a group or fans platforming these rumors. And what are your thoughts on that? I see both sides for sure.

I see that she's someone that, I think we talked about this one time when I was here. I said that's how she feels about this specific situation. And all the audience wants is someone to be super honest about how they feel. With that is going to get backlash. That's normal because a lot of people were saying, that's too far.

I think had she been, instead of just saying, that's how I feel, had she given sort of primary examples, like dates and why she feels that way, you don't just feel that way about someone. I don't think that you did something fraudulent because I have a sense. And so when it came to the Erika stuff, we had talked about different articles coming out, different lawsuits, and so no one really pushed back on us when we did that. It was like, this is our opinion based on this specific information. We're not bringing it up out of thin air.

And we talked about those things. I think this situation was like, it was thrown out, but it wasn't actually dissected enough as to why. Not to say that it's real or anything like that, but I'm just saying like, had she said those things, well, I saw these things were, financial issues were cleared up and da da da. I think maybe it would have resulted in, I don't know.

It just, I don't know, that's what I feel. Well the thing about the reunion, I'll just say this, if you're gonna put out any strong statements or feelings or thoughts or whatever, that's the time when you really have to be able to really back it up because we're all watching to see, okay, well, why do you feel this way? And it just didn't seem like she had back.

That's right. She just said, I feel this way. That's not enough. And at a reunion, that's just not enough. And she was almost seemed to be waiting for whether it was Sutton or anyone else. Well, she wanted Sutton to say, I feel this way too. And because she probably knew her Sutton's opinion.

Correct. Yeah. Cause they talk a lot. And I had said this, we did Carlos's King's pod. And that was a question I see, you know, his whole thing is, oh, there's an alliance. I'm like, there's always an alliance, but they would like, they would say like,

oh, this summer we're going to Greece together. We're not filming. Like they're going on vacation, they're friends. So whatever they're talking about. And at the core of your friendship with the show, tends to be about the show. Like, you're gonna talk about, it just takes over your life. It's just natural, and you're always talking about everybody

and whatever and gossip and... So, I think Arsel was expecting Sutton to back her up. She did not prepare herself enough with the information. She just wanted someone else to be there for her, and she wasn't. So I think in that situation, she was like, oh wait, you're gonna throw me into for her, and she wasn't. So I think in that situation, she was like, oh wait, you're gonna throw me into the bus, then I'm out.

Why do you think Sutton didn't back her up? Because she wants to be really close with Kyle, and I've said this out loud to Sutton, to everybody. You really want Kyle's approval. What has been Sutton's response to those? She's like, no, we're friends. No, I'm like, and I know you're friends, but you have to. Sutton's response to those? She's like, no, we're friends. Like, no, I, like, you know, I'm like, and I know you're friends, but, you know, you have to. Sutton's never, like, acknowledged what feels

like a double standard to other people? No, I've never really, I mean, the other girls do that. Like, I remember, like, Eric and Rinna, that was really the thing against Sutton. That wasn't my thing, because I didn't experience the double with that, with her, but I think she just really wants, because I think she felt secure in her friendship

with Garcelle. You know, it's like, you're like, this is good, this seed is watered enough, I need to work on this, but then you killed the seed. I mean, I get what Garcelle's saying. When PK and Dorit talk about their finances, it always sounds shady, you know? When Dorit's saying things like,

oh no, no, no, we are paying our mortgage, but PK just decided that if they don't call me back, that's not how banks work. It's like that's, he also wears tracksuits, which I find to be. Is that your telltale side? You're shady with money. If you're an adult white man wearing full tracksuits,

I don't know, and you don't pay your bills on time, I don't trust you. Wow. I don't know. White men who full tracksuits, I don't know, and you don't pay your bills on time. I don't trust you. Wow. I don't know. White men who wear tracksuits are really catching strings to the nail for you. Rob, take off the tracksuit on the air ball. Rob doesn't strike me as a guy who's wearing a matching tracksuit.

He's not. But in case he is. Do you miss it at all? Right now, no. Like today particularly, no. I started watching that documentary, which I wanna talk about on Humblebrag. Which one?

It's like not the Dark Side of Burial. It's the one that just came out and I just started the Housewives portion. Demon, Hollywood Demons. Oh. I'm not familiar. Should we be watching? What's it on? On Max. On Max, I believe. Yes, I'm not familiar. Should we be watching? What's it on? On Max?

On Max, I believe. Yes, they have a whole episode on Housewives. So it's, and I think it's going to focus on, she was in Beverly Hills, went to Orange County, Taylor. Taylor Armstrong. Oh yes, yes. So there's a new documentary. I mean, the way they, I mean, of course,

it's like very salacious and the way they open, you know, the dark documentary about the show. And it was like, oh, you know, it's like very salacious in the way they open, you know, the dark documentary about the show. And it was like, oh, you know, it's like, they flash like, you know, like mug shots. And, you know, it's like, I was like, whoa, like this is not me. That's, I just felt today, you know, just today. Like, and I really am grateful for the experience, honestly.

And there's parts of it that I miss, but this morning was like, whoa, I'm in a really good place. I have to say, that's one of, I think, a very underrated feeling of going through something, leaving it and being really sad about leaving it and being like, I feel left out, I feel this, I feel that. And then time passes and you look back on the scenario and you're like, I am so glad, I feel this, I feel that. And then time passes and you look back on the scenario and you're like, I am so glad that I'm out of that. I'm so glad I'm like not associated

with those people anymore. I'm so glad my life went this way and their life went that way. Like that is a very, so for you to be able to sit where you are today and look back and be like, no, I'm good. I'm so happy with my Labooboos and not on the show. I honestly, I was just like, man, I just was sitting in the kitchen watching alone

and just the first 15 minutes. Yeah, in the kitchen. And I was just like, I literally thought about Cynthia. I was like, God, I'm so lucky to be a part of Envy and be a part of Humblebrag and be with Cynthia and talk about it. And while it's not that it's like, I definitely have moments of missing, I definitely have moments of missing

and I definitely have moments of all that nostalgia. I just wish I enjoyed it more. And that's on me. I wish I didn't take it so seriously. I wish I knew the game better. I wish I exploited it better for my own gain. It really took a toll on me emotionally. I just was like, why? Looking back now, I watch it better for my own gain. It really took a toll on me emotionally.

I just was like, why? Looking back now, I watch it like, like again, like the candy thing was so big and now two weeks later, no one cares. I'm like, I took everything home for so long and I just wish I didn't. And I had everyone around me from Rob to my friends like get over it, it doesn't matter.

Like you're last week's news, no one cares. I'm like, but everyone cares, you know? And I just, yeah, so like, I don't miss that part, but I, yes, it is. I mean, is it true that like people in some ways have moved on from the Kenya Moore drama? Sure, but I guarantee you, I've never met Kenya, but I guarantee you from her point of view and her comments and when she wakes up

and opens up her phone, it doesn't feel like anyone's moved on. You know what I'm saying? Because it's your world, it's your life. It's so much easier to remove yourself for a situation, now see it a little clearer, but when you're in it, yeah, that's the hard part about this world is that both things are true.

People have moved on, and yet, you're still getting hit with grenades left or right that like the world doesn't really care when you compare it to like all the media and all the things that are going on and then you have these serious world events and that's a whole nother thing that people are like, why are you even giving a shit about something

like reality TV? But like in your world, like it's everything. And rightfully so sometimes it feels, it's like either you're alive, you know, Kenya, like, whether you, right, regardless of what you think of the situation, she is in some ways like fighting for her life, her career, you know, like, and, you know, it, you know. 100%.

I just think, like, Kenya's situation, yes, is so extreme versus anything I dealt with. And that's the thing, or I wish I had a little more perspective and I wish I listened to people more of like, myself was so mild, all of it. But it felt like my whole world was crumbling for nothing. But I'm a sensitive person and like,

the show compared to my life was the only toxic thing in my life, you know? So it's the only focus I had. It wasn't like other things are happening in this, like, you know, it was, I had like a really, you know, nice cushy situation and then this is happening. It was just felt so intense. So I would love to go, not now,

but I'm saying I wish I could reverse time and have enjoyed it more. What do you think the future for Bev Hills is in terms of like the friendship dynamics? A lot of people are speculating about the Fox five or Fox force five. Lisa Renna back, yeah. I can see Lisa Renna back.

I mean, look, Lisa's drive story, she is like the ultimate villain and she likes to be the villain. I don't think she likes it internally. I don't think anybody really likes it. But she embraces it. She embraces it, that's a good word. Yeah, and she's really good at it.

I don't know, you never know with casting. It's such a, it's really an art form that like I'm not a part of. But I do feel like where it's right now, there needs to be some change. If they called, asked you to either come back full time or as a friend of, would you consider? I don't know, I don't even think about that

until that happens, like that's not even in my. We would consider. We would consider. Thank you, Cynthia. I'm speaking for Crystal as her manager. I would like to see you as a friend. We would definitely put that deal on the table and consider it.

We would not just, it wouldn't be a hard no for us. Okay. Right, Crystal? Whatever. You heard it here first. Well, I'll ask and it's coming down. This is me and Cynthia. But seriously, going back to this housewife world

that we live in, and do you miss it, and would you go back, and all those things. For me, it's like, although your situation, how you leave is how you leave. Your exit was very different from my exit, and very different from Kenya's exit, or Nini's exit, or whoever's exit. I think that because it's like,

at the end of the day, it's entertainment, it's TV for all of you that watch the show, but for us, it's our job, and we really spend a lot of time with these women. So when we walk away, it's not like, you know, we'd never have to see these people again, like they're never gonna talk about it again. It's not like we left a job at Starbucks and nobody cares.

It's like, it just lives on. Like way, it's almost bigger than we are in so many ways. So once we're done with it and we try to put it away and move on with our life, then it just turns into, but would you go back? And we'll, you know, it just never really ends really. So you never really, even if you do miss it, like you get, even if you don't miss it,

you kind of, you're forced to miss it, like even if you don't miss it, you kind of, you're forced to miss it in a way because people keep still talking about it. Yeah, you see the world. Yeah, like people won't let it go. By the way, that statement is it? The world keeps going. You're forced to miss it.

You're forced to miss it. Like literally with the regular job, you can go on and nobody really gives a shit. With this type of job, being this type of TV personality on this type of platform, it's like, I always said like the mafia, like when you get in, like it's hard to get out. And like, you have to like, with the mafia,

you have to like die to get out of the mafia most of the time, you know what I mean? So it's very similar thing. And you're heart to heart, you're like, I don't miss it. I'm happy, I've moved on, I like my life, I like my family, I'm happy. But it never really goes away, especially if you were on it for any amount of years.

It's like missing your toxic ex. There you go. You know, you're better off, you know, it's like. But you're still kinda like, hey, I wonder what they're up to. Yeah, I wonder if they still love me. Let me send them a birthday. Yeah, because he and his new girlfriend

are showing up at all these parties. Exactly. You can never get away from them. Yeah. So you're always like, oh, thinking about that toxic ex. That's exactly what you're forcing this on. his new girlfriend are showing up at all these parties. You can never get away from them. So you're always like, oh, thinking about that toxic ex. That's exactly what you're forcing this on. That's the best analogy. Where do you and NeNe stand today?

Oh, we're great. We're actually really good. And I'm really, I say that just with my chest because I'm so happy that we've come so far because we had, you know, we started off as friends on the show. I came on the show with NeNe and she was the breakout star. I will say it again for the hundred and fifty five time.

We think of Real Housewives of Atlanta, we think of NeNe Leakes. Like that flower will always be given to her, but we are good. You know, we've just come full circle. Uh, we're able to hang out and have a good time together. She just recently started a YouTube as well, since we're talking about YouTubes, um, seems like I felt like in a week, like five housewives started a YouTube from Atlanta the same way. I was like, wait, but Portia has a week, like five housewives started a YouTube. I'm a little out of the same way.

I was like, wait, but Portia has a YouTube, Kenya has started a YouTube, Nidhi's started a YouTube. So long and short, I'm very happy to say that we're in a great place. And she actually invited me to do her YouTube and I plan to do it. Is she gonna come on Humble Bragg? Oh, she's definitely bring her ass on Humble Bragg.

If I do her YouTube, she will definitely be coming. Can you get her on the Voxhalls? Well, okay, that's definitely bring her ass on Humblebrag. If I do her YouTube, she will definitely be coming. Can you get her on the Bobhalls? Phaedra. Okay, that's a little extra deal. Okay, they just preview her. It won't be before Humblebrag, if she does. We will have her first. I've worked for that interview.

When's Phaedra coming on Atlanta? Soon. We're in Nashville now on the show. She pops up when we go to Grenada, so I think it's a couple more episodes. Yeah, they previewed her. Yeah. Like they're... Yeah, she just woke up this morning. You talk to Phaedra a lot.

No, no, it's just random. Like we're... she's a... well, I don't want to say what she is. I'm the only idiot that says what hotel. She's standing so inside right now. In room two right now. You really do. You... I know. I don't know how I haven't been kidnapped or whatever, because I'm literally like, I'm over here everyone. You just gotta warm her up. It's crazy. Yeah, it's true.

Ladies, always great to chat with you. Obviously we have humble brag. What can we look forward to in your next episode? A mess. It's just rough today. With RZA and Joey. Oh yes, this weekend. It is completely insane. We were crying laughing.

It may be the funniest one yet. It's the funniest. So we, you know, I've become like a Jeff Lewis regular because of Cynthia and we went to ChumpCon, which is his like kind of fan event in Vegas. ChumpCon. ChumpCon. ChumpCon.

We're like official chumps. So let me just explain why, cause we were like, what? Chump, what does that mean? I guess one of the husbands you might know of Orange County's husband got mad at him and said, oh, you, you know, you're such a chump. You and all your chumps, the way you talk.

And then he adopted it. And now everyone who listens, who goes on the show, they're all called chumps. So we brought Reza from Shaws of Sunset and Joey Zauzek, who's like a influencer. We've had Joey on. Oh, you have? I love him.

And the four of us had the best time together. So we talk about it and all the crazy Vegas stories. It's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, you can't even believe what single men do in Vegas. They're gross. They're gross. We were like shocked.

We couldn't believe what they were saying. It wasn't even our fault. They took over the pot. Like we just were listening. The boys are gross. Well, ladies, always great to catch up with you. Look forward to you coming on next time. We will inevitably harass you.

I know, I know, I love it. But make sure you guys watch Got to Get Out on Hulu if you haven't streamed it. It is a binger. It's definitely, we watched it, we binged it all yesterday. Yeah, it's good, it's eight episodes. And for the first time, I actually had a strategy in one of these competition rooms.

What are you gonna do with the money? Well, I gotta get it first. When you get it, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna buy us? I don't know, I don it first. When you get it, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna buy? I don't know, I don't know. Honestly, I hadn't thought about it, to be honest. It's a lot of money. Well, I wish it was more.

It was a million dollars on table, but yeah. I was gonna say, you didn't wanna wait a little bit longer until it kept going up. No, because you have to get a clue, and I never got a clue, so when I finally got a clue, I had to shoot my shot. You gotta get out. I had to get out.

Yeah, you gotta get out. You can't hang around, you don't know. By the time it gets to. Yeah, you gotta get out. You can't like hang around. You don't know, like by the time it gets to like a million, you don't know that you don't get a exit strategy. And it's even close. Someone's taking that money. I think it was the right call. You just get what you can get. Well, be sure to check out Cynthia on Got to Get Out

and check out both of these ladies on Humble Brag, available wherever you get your podcast. Thursday, we got a great episode for you. Alex Baskin, your good friend. Showrunner, is he the showrunner of Beverly Hills? No, he's the president of 31 Flavors, who's one of the production companies. All right, so anyways, the guy who's pretty much

in charge of all things Vanderpump, the Valley, and Beverly Hills Housewives is with us to talk about basically his world and everything going on in it with us to talk about basically his world and everything going on in it with these shows. Specifically we'll really get into the valley with Alex talk a little Bev Hills and then you know just get his thoughts on all things Bravo in general. That is on Thursday and so much more. We will see you then. Bye bye. Bye!