The Viall Files - E929 – Going Deeper with Lexi Wood

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

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Welcome to Combat Story. I'm Ryan Fugit and I served warzone tours as an Army attack helicopter pilot and CIA officer over a 15 year career. I'm fascinated by the experiences of the elite in combat. On this show, I interview some of the best to understand what combat felt like on their front lines. This is Combat Story. They were pinned down from a disheka and the disheka was coming from the third story of a seven story apartment building. And then we blew that third story out within like maybe a minute and a half or two minutes of getting that nine line. Lexi, welcome to the Vibe Files.

Thanks so much for having me. We're so excited to have you. We're so excited to have you. I'm so excited to be here. Especially after the last couple of episodes of Summer House, we're absolutely mic drop dominated. So much to get into. So much.

I didn't really know what to expect, you know, when you came on this season, you know? Yeah. Because like, it's such a mature show. It's been on for so long that I think, me, I kind of had low expectations of just, not you, but just like anyone, where it's like, okay, like maybe, you know, well, who was the other girl who came?

Bailey. Yeah, well, those were kind of my expectations. But man, I've really enjoyed you. Like I really, I really have, yeah, you've been like a really pleasant surprise edition of this cast really enjoyed you. Like I really, I really have, yeah, you've been like a really pleasant surprise addition to this cast. Thank you. And like drama side with Jessie,

which we'll get into and sorry you have to go through. Thank you. It has been like fun to watch. And like Nellie said, just like you were popping off and I just really appreciate how you handled yourself. I really appreciate that. Yeah, I think that it's really important. Like I am definitely fun and nice and I always really appreciate how you handle yourself. I really appreciate that, yeah. I think that it's really important. I am definitely fun and nice and I always lead with that,

but also don't mess with me. Yeah. First, I mean, you gotta ask, how did you end up on the show? How does someone in your shoes end up on a show like this, but again, a very seasoned, mature cast? So I have been in the industry since I was 11, and I actually ended up meeting Amanda a couple years ago,

just through like a brand event. We sat next to each other and immediately bonded. Ironically, it was in the Hamptons. And so she actually asked me that night, she was like, would you ever go on like this show that I do? And at the time I didn't know anyone else on it or so I was like, maybe if I naturally met other people we'll see where the universe brings us.

And then the like last year at this time I got the call to cast and I, in the meantime had met Sierra out, Paige out. So I felt like I had a little bit more of like familiar faces. Okay. Yeah. And what are those conversations like with Bravo when again like this isn't like a new show, it's not like you know everyone's new, like do they talk about like storylines or just like like how you want to carry yourself

in this environment? Like what were their expectations? Literally they just let us be, which I think is really cool. In the casting, they say, okay, like, who do you know in Bravo, even like in the Housewives or anyone, like who are you connected to? I know a couple of the Housewives as well, so I feel like it's nice to kind of have them to lean on if I need any advice.

Like friends, your friends with Summerhouse, which ones? Jessel. Okay. I feel like she honestly has been, like her and I met before I even casted for Summerhouse. So when she found out I was on Summerhouse, she's like, girl, why didn't you call me? She's so sweet. And then you just kind of like being in New York, I think that you just always run into everyone. So that was really nice.

And then yeah, I don't think that they really didn't say much. They just had a couple castings where you meet different people and they're very long castings. You just kind of sit and talk for an hour and then they just see if your personality would go with everybody else in the house, I guess. Like after you met with them, because I always remember like when I first went

on reality TV and that casting process, you kind of get a sense whether they're feeling you or whether they're not feeling you, did you feel like you were gonna get the call and have them ask you to join the show? It's funny because I feel like being a model for so long, I just never assume I have anything. So I was like, there's no way, there's just, I don't know,

I'm just doing these couple castings, and each casting process was, they would be like a month in between each meeting. So I really had no idea. Were you kind of reaching out to Amanda being like, hey, I just finished one, do you know anything? Cause I haven't heard from them in a month. It's funny, I didn't, because I didn't even want to like, I was like, oh, who knows?

Like, oh, I don't know if I'm even gonna get it. How bad did you want it? Were you like pretty, like as you went through, like oh I want it more and more, or were you just like, you know, again I remember when I first got asked, it was like, well I've never been to LA, so I'll go do that, like I'm never gonna do this,

but I'll just kinda go, and I kept asking to come back, and the more I went, the more I was like, maybe I actually might do it, and I felt myself wanting it as I got down the casting process. Like how are your feelings about it going in? I definitely think like you, I wanted it more and more every time. But I also just was completely leaving it up to the universe. I was like, you know what, whatever I'm supposed to do,

my path is my path, whether I get it or not. It's still like, I still do know Amanda outside the house. Like it's not like I'm all of a sudden not gonna know any of these people. I'll probably run into them or whatever. So I really was just, whatever my path was, I was like, that's gonna be for me. That's why when I did get the call, I was so excited

and I really like wasn't expecting it. And they were just like, yeah, we totally see you fitting in so well. Like we want that sunshine energy. And I was like, I can do it. Yeah, I was so excited. Had you watched the show before? I hadn't really watched it.

I only tuned into a couple episodes just to kind of get the gist of what is going on. But I didn't want to know too much. I'm like the type of person where I just wanted to know. But that's also like smart and like, because switching gear, like the Valley, you have Janet who was like clearly a fan of Vanderpump. And so whenever she like has issues with Kristen,

she's like, oh, crazy Kristen. And it's like, you only know that because you watched it on TV, not because you were like during that time. So like, yeah, that's honestly smart. Cause you might've been like. Yeah, I didn't want any preconceived ideas of anyone. And I genuinely just wanted everyone to kind of come at me

how they felt they wanted to, or open up to me with what they wanted to. So it was really just an authentic friendship instead of me having any ideas of anyone. That's smart. What did your mom and sister say when you were like, I got this, I'm going on TV? They are so supportive. My entire family, like they've always been so supportive with my career and when you were like, I got this, I'm going on TV? They are so supportive.

My entire family, like they've always been so supportive with my career and they're always like, okay, like look it, if you wanna do this, that's amazing. We'll support you how we can and be there for you. And definitely, especially this summer, they were there for me a lot because obviously there was so much confusion. I'd come home and be like, guys,

what the hell is going on right now? So yeah, they were amazing. Oh, that's so nice. Who gave you the warmest welcome? Like, I guess once you found out you're on the show, did you hear from cast, like Amanda saying, oh, I'm glad you're on it. And then I guess whenever you started filming,

who gave you the warmest welcome and who gave you maybe the coldest shoulder? So Amanda and I got drinks before we even went into the house and she was like, obviously amazing. She was like, oh my God. We were literally yelling down the street, like, I love you, so excited. And then the warmest welcome,

obviously because Amanda knew I was going in and Kyle knew I was going in. Kyle was great. He called me before and was just giving me like pep talk, running me through how things kind of work. And then Lindsay, Lindsay was the warmest. Immediately she just came, yes. She came over to me and hugged me immediately.

And I don't know, there was just something about her that was so warm with me right away. It has been nice to see that. Yeah. Lindsay's like friendship develop. It's a soft side of Lindsay these days. It's nice to see, yeah. She hasn't been activated in a while.

She hasn't. Were there any cold shoulders? I think originally, no. Okay. Yeah. Stepping away from summer houses for a second, just more like you personally, I didn't even realize you're Canadian.

Yes, Toronto. Okay. Yeah. How long have you been living in the States? So I originally moved to America when I was 17. I moved to Miami and then LA and then New York and then back to LA and then Paris and then London. You lived in Paris?

Yes. How long did you live in Paris for? Only a couple months because it was the first place that I ever moved with modeling. Were you in a model's apartment? Yes. But in Europe, it's different. You kind of like live with a host. So then I ended up moving out of that apartment within like the first 24 hours and just getting my own kind of.

Modeling sounds a lot like an orphanage. Honestly, it kind of is. I feel like you'd like move from like house to house if you live with like a bunch of people that you don't really know. You're like, yeah. Like what did you call the family? It's a host.

A host. A host. Yeah, but I was really lucky because I was 17. My sister went to Paris with me because I technically wasn't allowed to travel that far by myself. Wow. So she came to Paris with me

and that was really fun to navigate that together. But when we told our parents, I think it was like, I have to, I think it was like a week. I was like, so we're gonna move to Paris next week. And it was the day of my 17th birthday that we ended up moving. And my parents were like,

okay, look it, we support you again with whatever. I don't think my mom slept at all. Poor girl, obviously. She's like, I'm a mother. I need to be awake at all times if you're awake. Especially with the time difference. She was like, you're awake and I'm asleep. I can't do it.

We're like going to set. And yeah, it was crazy. But I remember my modeling agency handed me a subway map. This first second that I landed and they were like, you have a casting in one hour. Figure it out. And I was like, okay. Honestly, it's like they feed you to the wolves.

Yes. So did you have, you had an agency in Miami and then they were like, we want you to sign with someone in Paris, like go see this agency. Or were they like, you have a job there, like go. I had an agency in Toronto. And then agents from all over the world would fly in

and do like a casting with all the models that were in the agency. And then they would just sign you one by one if they liked you. So when I was younger, they signed me pretty much immediately in like Paris, New York, Germany, Miami, LA. Yeah. That's crazy. It was so fun. How long ago was this? Well, I started LA, yeah. That's crazy.

It was so fun. How long ago was this? Well, I started at 11, I'm 27 now. Yeah, and then I started kind of doing the traveling and moving out when I was 17, so 10 years ago. In the modeling industry, is there certain aspirations or goals of, I mean, you have the title supermodel. I don't know if there's this official stamp.

I don't know who decides that, or I don't know if there's like this official stamp. I don't know who decides that. I don't know if it's like a label, but like, yeah, when you got into it, like what were you hoping to get out of it? Obviously, the paychecks obviously can be nice and things like that, but what were your like biggest dreams when you got into modeling? Well, it's funny because the paychecks, they are nice,

but when I was like 18, I lived off $50 a week. And I literally, in my model apartment, I slept in the kitchen with another model on like daybeds. So it's, the paychecks can be nice, but also you have to put in like a lot of hard work and you're living with strangers and so it can also be kind of rough. But my dreams were like Victoria's Secret Angel, Mark Jacobs campaigns, Sports Illustrated, and yeah. What's the job that you're most proud of booking? Honestly, I don't even think that I can pick at this point because I'm so lucky.

I am such an open person. I really believe that like everybody that I meet, I'm like, you're part of my family now. And so every single job is just such an honor. And like, I feel like I never have a moment where I'm like, oh my God, pinched, like, like, oh my God, pinch me. I can't believe that I get to do this another day and I can't believe that I've had so much like longevity in this industry.

There's literally not one job that I'm like, that was better than another for me. Cause I'm just so lucky and I'm so short, which was difficult. What do you mean you're short? I'm like, yes. I'm like for model, you mean? Okay. Yeah. How tall are you?

I think I actually have my notes here. Five, six, give or take. On a good day. With these shoes on. Very tight. When I have my protein. When I'm tanning. So I, at 15, dropped out of high school

and moved to New York to try to be a model was nowhere near as successful as you have been, but it forces you to grow up so fast because you really are like, like you said, they give you a map and they're like, figure it out. And yeah, it's like I came from Alabama and they're like, okay, yep, here's a subway station, like learn how to get to Soho from Harlem. And I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. And it really does force you to grow up fast. Did you feel like that as well?

I definitely feel like, so because I, my peers were always adults. So whether it was the creative director, the stylist, they were always so much older than me. So I definitely feel like it made me grow up fast in some ways, but my parents were always so great because I could always go back home and they were never, they never really put pressure on me. They're like, look, at the end of the day, we support you in whatever you want to do. But there's definitely

situations where you're like, okay, most kids when they're 17 are annoyed that their parents aren't getting them the newest iPhone. And I'm like, okay, when am I paying rent? Yeah, yeah. When's my paycheck's coming coming in, dealing with immigration, dealing with lawyers and doing all this stuff where, yeah, most 17 year olds don't have to deal with that. They're not, they're not. That's how I felt too.

How old are you now? Can I email you? 27. Okay, 27. And in model years, do you feel like this is you transitioning going from a career in modeling to maybe something else in reality TV or TV in general, or are you still very much in the modeling space?

And I am curious because obviously reality TV, now more than ever it's definitely gotten, I always said going on reality TV for me was like you get incredible access and no credibility. It's just like everyone's very fascinated about reality TV and wants to ask you questions, you'll get in rooms that you may not get into, but they almost kind of see you as like this caricature

or they're kind of fascinated with you. I do think the industry has gotten a lot more credibility in terms of like variety, the like 40 most powerful women in reality TV a couple years ago and things like that, but do you feel like it's impacted your modeling career at all now that you're putting your life on display in reality TV because there are some industries

who frown upon stuff like that or do you feel like it's only helped you? I feel like it hasn't affected either, give or take. I feel like a couple years ago when I started working with my mom and sister and I felt like that was kind of my time to be more in the other end of the industry where I'm coming out the lingerie collection in collaboration with Hanky Panky and I'm

doing more of the business side of it as well. Yeah. So I feel like honestly, it's hasn't, I haven't noticed a big difference if it's impacted me in a positive or negative, but either way, I'm so lucky for this opportunity because I do feel like there is something I I actually am just so normal and relatable. And I love sharing that side of me. I love sharing that you can be really soft, but also really, really strong.

I love sharing so many different parts of me where I think modeling is so one-dimensional. And it's great and I'm so lucky for all of those opportunities, but there's so much more to me and I have so much personality and so much to give that I'm really lucky that I feel like I've been able to share more of that on the reality space. That's awesome.

I think Kate Moss maybe famously said it, but like she's, I think she said, I get paid not to speak. And it's like models who it's like, you're not here for your opinion. Like you're here to look pretty. So I'm sure like, yeah, to be able to show that side of you on television and have so many young women women relate to you and take inspiration from you and you, that must feel really powerful.

It does. And I feel like I'm in this space in my life right now where that's really what I'm craving. I'm craving connection. I'm craving to actually have people be like, oh, wait, I see myself in her. And I feel like with modeling, you do fit in a box of what other people put on you.

They're like, OK, you're going to be this type of model, whether you like it or not. That's who you are in our heads. And there's no way that you're going to get out of that. Whereas when I started working with my mom and sister as well, I feel like that was the first time in my industry, in my career, and that I felt like I actually had a voice in who I am and the image of myself that I want to put out and what jobs. Like I remember saying no to jobs because it just wasn't authentic. And at the end of the day, I'm like, my name is who I am. And if I'm lying all the time and just being like, okay, yeah, give me this job for a paycheck.

Where is that authenticity? And that just didn't feel good with me, but then my agents would get so upset at me. Like, what do you mean you're turning down this money? Cause it's not authentic. I'm like, well, it's not authentic. And I'm like, okay, well, it's not authentic, so I'm not doing it. But now with my mom and sister, I feel like it's the first time in my career

where I actually have a voice and they're like, no, we respect that you have boundaries and we respect that you have this authenticity that you want to make sure is always taken. So the response to that has been good. Like your agents have now been like, oh wow, okay, yeah, no, 100%. Yeah, yeah, so it's been such a blessing.

The modeling industry obviously over the years, especially recently, has like gotten a lot of scrutiny for certain practices, like shows like, what was the, which one was Tiger Brinks? America's Next Top Model? America's Next Top Model. Like obviously had a lot of scrutiny about the industry. Like how have, you know, someone who's been working in it for so long, what are things

that you have seen change for the good and what are some areas where you would like to see the industry still make some progress? I mean, I think that there's always room for growth in every industry. I think especially modeling because it is so based on your looks and based on fitting in these boxes. I love how the industry really is being more open to different bodies and different, like everything being different is now celebrated. I feel like when I first started, there was always like, if you weren't five, nine and

like a supermodel, then you were not going to be picked very often. I remember once in Paris, they lined us all up and they were like, they just ripped us apart. They were like, okay, your ears are too big, you're too short, you're this, you're that, like just ripped us all apart. And then they're like, okay, well, I guess you can get the job because like,

it was like you fit into whatever image they had, which makes a lot of sense. Cause at the end of the day, models are supposed to be like almost like a blank canvas. And I do understand it, but I definitely have been loving the industry just being more accepting in general. I mean, yeah, again, there's so many more changes that 100% could be made. And I think just having girls feel like they have a voice, feel like they have the strength

because for me, I was really privileged that I was just from Canada Canada but there's also so many girls that don't speak English that have all these things where we would all live together in model apartments and agents do hold your immigration against you because they sponsor your visa so even for me if I didn't do what my agents wanted me to do or fall in line they would threaten my immigration so there was like a lot of things. And again, I'm so lucky that I have family support. I have, I had everything, but at the end of the day, they could still take away my immigration at any point.

So that was definitely like a turning point for me a couple of years ago. When I was like, this is not fair. And I sat down with my immigration lawyer and then we ended up being able to sponsor my visa without an agency. And then that's when I started working with my mom and sister. We got them visas and now it's, I, I'm just so passionate about making sure that models feel like, no, you have choices. Is there like a part of you that wants to like sneak back into a model's apartment in Paris and be like, I mean, I'm going to help you.

Let me just like, this is what you need to do. It's funny. Yes. I feel like I'm so the type of person where I want to like put everybody under my wing. I just like, this is what you need to do. Get some energy there. It's funny, yes. I feel like I'm so the type of person where I wanna put everybody under my wing. I'm like, okay, come here chickens, let's go. Yeah, especially because you can only really ever

see where people are coming from if you've been in that position. That's like how your brain chemistry literally works. So being able to understand all these young girls and like what they're going through, it's funny because I started an agency with my mom and sister and I'm the guinea pig right now. But that was always the goal, like who knows in the future

if we do take on other models and we do actually do ethical practices. It's crazy to think, but who knows? That could be something in the future that I would be super passionate about. Certainly, I think it's been this way primarily in the past. I don't know how much it has changed, but a lot of the photographers in the modeling industry

seem to be male. Yeah. I'm curious, have you seen that change over the years? And two, have you ever been put in a position by a photographer who you got the vibe, more a photographer because he wanted to be around models as opposed to a photographer who was there for the art? Interesting.

So I definitely have shot with a lot more women, which has been amazing. I feel like even just, we understand how each other like moves in the body and the chemistry. And so that's always great. I've definitely been on set with photographers where they're like, okay, perfect. Now clothes are coming off and I'm like, no, they're not.

I feel like this would look better with maybe the shirt off. Yes, but I think I've always been so strong in my boundaries that I have no problem being like, no, I'm good on that. Like, do you feel like other models for whatever reason have struggled with enforcing those boundaries because they feel like they're in a position? Women in general. Yeah, like you have this, you know, photographers are kind of in a power position

in that kind of environment. And then you mentioned like agencies like holding things like visas or just like, I guess, just representation in general. I mean, whether it's someone who's out of the country or not, they can simply say, if you don't do this, we're not gonna rep you. Yeah, or like the bait and switch

where a client will ask for, or like the bait and switch where, like a client will ask for, this happens to me all the time, a client would ask to book me, and then they'd be like, oh, Lexi's not available, but you should book this person. And then they'll do it again, like a couple times, just to get a couple more girls in front of them,

because they know that the client really wanted to book me. And then finally they'll give them me, even though I was really just sitting at home, waiting for people to book me, they do the bait and switch all the time. And I feel like that's another aspect where as like a young person in the industry, you honestly, models don't get enough credit. Sometimes we have to be our own lawyers. We have to own businesses. We have to just really be such like well-rounded adults. And sometimes it is at such young ages. And again, I'm so lucky that I had support

where I could call my parents or get a second opinion on something. But like, we really do have to know a lot about different parts of the industry. And I do feel like sometimes that is a struggle for younger models to know that they have a voice and be okay to use it. Because I know that I've always been the type of person

I got into modeling because I was so shy. And I do feel like as time, as I grew up, I did realize that like saying no is okay. You can say that you're uncomfortable. You can say, I remember one time I got my leg burned on set and I was just too scared to like say, you're burning my leg. So I just let it happen.

Or I sat in like a bed of fire ants on set in Cuba. And I just kept sitting there because I was too shy to be like, hey, yeah, I'm getting eaten alive here. And I feel like my legs are on fire. I'd like to move. Yeah, I would like to move from this position. I was like, did we get the shot?

Okay, perfect. I'm so happy. So yeah, I think that young models are more intimidated to speak up for themselves. So in addition to speaking up more, if there were a young woman, you know, thinking about modeling or early in their career listening, like what is some advice you would give to them

that you wish you would have an opportunity to have someone give to you in your earlier days? I think first and foremost, read contracts. Put it through chat GPT if you need to. Especially now that we have that, that's even better. When I was growing up, I didn't have that. So I was really just putting a lot of faith in other people. But I would say no, educate yourself because as much as modeling is so fun, you get to

travel the world, you get to do all these great things, it is lonely. It is a really big... You have to know what you're signing, because at the end of the day, you've signed contracts for three plus years to an agency, and you are stuck in that. You cannot leave that, or you do have to get lawyers involved and get... It turns into a huge mess. So read the contracts thoroughly, speak up, redline contracts when you feel like something isn't aligning with you. If you want more freedom, write your own contracts. Maybe make

them sign a contract back because I actually ended up doing that with one of my last agencies. I was like, I'll sign a contract, but also I'm putting a clause in there that I can get out at any time. Because at the end of the day, I have signed contracts where I can't. And then you're stuck in this limbo for three years and yeah, you're stuck. There's nothing that you can do.

It's a legally bounding contract. Even if they don't wanna use you, they'll hold the rights to you, right? Yeah. So you can't go anywhere else. So you can't go anywhere else. And they own your likeness, they own your image, they own everything. So read your't go anywhere else. Yeah. And they own your likeness, they own your image, they own everything.

So read your contracts, get a second opinion, whether it's a family member or a friend or anything. I think having that business mindset is so important because modeling isn't just booking a campaign. It's so much more than that. Is there a specific moment that you remember about getting fucked over? Yeah, there's a lot. Really?

I think, again, when it comes to contracts, it's so important. And I don't think that I, because every agency will say, oh no, it's just like the normal contract. It's the same for everyone. Like your first one. Yeah. Like, ha ha, it's nothing. Yeah. Like, oh no, we'll, or they'll pull the whole,

we'll let you out whenever you want. Like that's obviously, we're not gonna hold you to it. And then push comes to shove, they hold you to it. So it's definitely, yeah, I've been fucked over a couple of times where I'm like, okay, Lexi, learning lesson. Was there one where like there was, like you could put a value to what it cost you,

if that makes sense? Like with money I lost because I was in it or? Well, maybe it's not even money. But just like when you say you know you got fucked over, like what was the cost of getting fucked over? Like what was the outcome? It was a couple long-term contracts that were kind of held back from me.

The fit in where I wanted to go in my career, it wasn't aligning anymore. So I tried to get out and they were just like, no. And then I was stuck in that and I lost a couple contracts because of it. So it ended up being, longevity-wise, it ended up like actually screwing me over for the future. But at the end of the day, again, like I do feel like I work so hard and the people that I work with do know that I am so authentic. Like if I am working with your company, it's because as a consumer, I genuinely love you guys. I genuinely use you guys, whether I was in this contract or not, I'm going to be using this product. And so I do feel like there is like some magic and I do feel like my

clients have like they do recognize that in me. So thankfully the clients did end up moving wherever I went, but some of them didn't and that is what it is. It sucks in the moment, but you know, long-term wise, I feel like everything happens for a reason. So yeah, I mean, I don't. But I do. I do. I do. And I don't. I mean, this the phrase I, my audience knows, like I object to because I just find it to be one of those things we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better about a situation

that most of the time it's maybe we did something or whatever. But like, I mean, we were just talking, we were at lunch and we were talking about something that like I remember years ago, in the moment I wanted one thing, another thing happened. I was very upset. And if that one thing happened, I mean, I wouldn't be sitting here today, I wouldn't have the show, I wouldn't be married to Natalie.

Like it was such a pivotal moment in my life that like, I mean, who, you know, I'm sure people out there might be listening to me like, well, no, you were gonna find your way to each other, but I don't. I think like, I think we can learn you know, I'm sure people out there might be listening to me like, well, no, you were gonna find your way to each other, but I don't, I think like, I think we can learn from our mistakes and things like that. And I think things have a way of working out if we allow ourselves to learn from our past

and things like that. But yeah, I do think our choices matter. I think we can fuck up our lives, you know? I think there is like, I think there are people who make choices that their lives would have been drastically different for the better if they would have done something differently. I do think inherently if you have the right mindset,

if you are someone who's willing to look in the mirror every once in a while and say, could I have done something differently here? Usually you'll find success in life, whatever that is. It might not be exactly how you planned it, but you will find your way as opposed to the people who constantly are just blaming other people. I find that like, you know.

100%. Yeah, but. No, I am agreeing with that because I do feel like at the end of the day, if you can't, one, see that everyone in every situation is different, like how I react to something isn't how you're gonna react to something, how every single thing is really based on your mindset towards that.

So if I, even after every relationship, I'm like, okay, look at, was that about a relationship? How can I improve or what's a boundary that I want to set for my next relationship? And I do feel like it gets better and you figure out who you are more. And I feel like whether that's a working relationship or a romantic relationship or anything, I do feel like it's definitely a mindset that you have to be in to be able to take it. Well, speaking of romantic relationships, before you went on TV

and had a very public relationship with Jesse, you've had some other public relationships in the past. Yes. I don't know how long or serious they were, but a couple of them were some pretty famous families. Yes. I mean, I'm not expecting you to like dive in and that's not why we're here

and some of those people are in relationships, but what was it? Brooklyn Beckham, pretty famous, and what, Presley Gerber? I've met Presley briefly, nice guy. Yeah, no, I think that's also like, with even my mindset with being so close to my family, it's so funny because those are the types of families

that I'm used to. Like families that are in the industry, that give each other advice, work with each other where they can, like that are so close, travel together, live together, they do so much together, because they understand that like that mindset

is your family has your back, period. So I do feel like those families are great. And I think they're lovely. You're welcome to share whatever you want. I'm not expecting you to speak on specifically about the relationships, but I am fascinated by the fact that like, I mean, how do you end up dating two sons of like pretty legendary famous families? Like how did you meet these guys?

Like Natalie's sending them my DMs. Was this like on the internet or did you meet at like gatherings that do famous families just hang out together? Like how does that work? So I actually have never been on dating apps or anything like that. So I genuinely just meet people through friends. I think that's also why I'm always so open to meeting guys through people that I'm friends with because I've had great experiences.

I have the coolest friends that introduced me to also really cool, like-minded people. And with those guys specifically, yeah, we were just, we have mutual friends and we are always hanging out and we sparked up a romance. Yeah. I think that that's a big part because I lived in LA. Do you hate getting asked about those past relationships? Well, my thing is I really respect

where they're at right now in their lives. Totally. I have to say, I watched you on Watch What Happens Live and Andy asked about it and I really did respect your answer because obviously he's had some very public relationships before me and it can get frustrating to be the wife of that person and constantly have like

Yeah, exes bring brought up and it's talking about their time with them and it's like number of years You know, so I really did you you were just kind of like listen like I've Nothing bad to say. I wish you know him Of course no and I do understand that it's obviously something that people ask but I also just always want to move respectfully for everyone that I've dated, whether it was in public or private, because I do just feel like, especially with Brooklyn, he's in a great relationship, and I'm so happy for him,

and I'm the type of ex that I'm actually friends with a lot of my exes, and I want them to move on. I'm like, go, good for you. One last question, only because I've met David Beckham once at a coffee shop and he's literally the only celebrity I've ever asked for a photo and then I called myself out because I first said this is for my sister and I'm like, I don't know why I said that,

this is definitely just for me. I think it's super nice and gracious, but David Beckham is often thought of as one of the sexiest men alive. How does it feel to date someone whose dad is like kind of a daddy? It's funny. I feel like he was just always Brooklyn's dad. Okay. You know what I mean? Like I feel like immediately.

I feel like immediately I didn't think anything of it and then he just was his dad. And so I just saw him as his dad. Thank you for indulging me. But I see what you mean, for sure. Yeah. He's hot. They're a beautiful family. Victoria, she's the style icon. They're the coolest family.

Who was more intimidating, David or Victoria? I mean, I think that they were both, yeah, they were just both lovely. Victoria or Cindy. I mean, Cindy Crawford, wrestling her with her mom. I met Cindy once in life at an event. In life? Well, I didn't like, it was at a, I didn't like,

she, I interacted with her briefly, I doubt she remembers, but she was lovely. Just you could tell she gave a very, very welcoming, very sweet energy. Yeah. No, for sure. You can just kind of tell. She was not standoffish, which was,

I mean, I just noticed because she's Cindy Crawford. And sometimes you just, you assume because they're so famous. Like I, I'm standoffish. Like I am like, not on purpose, but I just, the energy I give is don't fucking talk to me. I'm not interested. And then when you talk to him, he's like, hey, how are you?

He's like, give me a hug. Yeah. No, I mean, I, yeah, I just, that's just my energy. Yeah. Yeah. With the Gerbers, I was obviously older when I dated Presley and Presley and I were friends for so long there.

So I spent just more time with them, obviously being more in like the adult mindset when Brooklyn and I were always linked together. We were like, I think I was 20. So it was a little bit more like we were hanging out together. So we didn't really spend too much time with like the whole family unit. We'd hang with like Romeo, which is—but they raised such—both families have raised such great families and just being so close and having those same morals and values that I have so innately.

It was just so nice being around them. And yeah, the Gerbers are amazing. I was so grateful to have Cindy and Randy as people that I could go to when we needed relationship advice and having my parents, and it was honestly one big happy family. So yeah, no, they're lovely. Yeah. It's iconic.

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or was this like a completely separate cast that they did? So Bailey and I had met just one time we got drinks. So I think she knew other people on the cast. And then I knew other people on the cast. I feel like they set it up as like you two are besties and like you're both coming into the house because you're two besties, but like y'all had only met once before that.

I think that was West. I have to be honest. I think that was West being like besties for sure. You're two besties. Yeah, so her and I had only met once. She was so sweet though. And I do honestly wish that she did stick around because I feel like it would have been so much easier

for me to have that equal- Yeah, that suck. I mean, I know there's a lot of speculation. She had a boyfriend or a guy in her life. She didn't like disclose. You know? But I assume that when you first found out and went on the show, you were right.

You were like, oh, I got another single woman by my side. We're in it together. Some, you know, West and Jessie had each other and that was clearly very helpful and they became very fast friends from it. Like when you, whenever you found out. At what stage did she not come back? It was like episode three.

Yeah, I think it was like early on. The second weekend. Wow. Like she came back for two weekends. Yeah, okay. And then. Did that make you less excited to show up for that fourth weekend?

Did you feel more isolated? Like what was your mindset at that point or was it just like Jessie Hardeyes at that point? It would have been easier for me to just like have somebody else to have like the camaraderie with and like our bedroom, so how the house is set up, the newbies' bedrooms are on the main floor, kind of like in between the kitchen and the living room.

So there was, it would have been so nice, like every morning I'd like text Bailey and be like, hey, you wanna get coffee in the kitchen? Or it was just nice to kind of have that other person that has no idea what's going on. Like we are so new. We didn't know house rules. We didn't know. So trying to figure that out together, I feel like it would have been so nice.

And then I also feel like it would have been obviously easier for me in a relationship because then I would have probably had more of somebody else to bounce things off of and just kind of have by my side. Whereas I feel like because she left it, obviously the newest newbies were West and Jessie. So they were kind of the ones that I was like, okay, newbie mindset, you guys are my guys. Yeah, there you go.

How quickly into being a part of the house, because you mentioned you didn't watch it going in. But how quickly being a part of the house, did you learn about West and Sierra, or did you just have a, I mean, learn about or fully understand the West and Sierra dynamic, coupled with the fact about the West and Jessie dynamic

in terms of, because I am curious, like once you learned, did that make you wanna go back to like find out, you know, this guy you're into, his best friend seems to kind of handle himself in a similar way and to only hear just how tragically West and Sierra's relationship ended? You get what I'm saying? Did that make you like, did that raise any red flags, so to speak, in terms of like the

type of person you were pursuing? You would think it would. For me, I feel like everybody's so different, right? And like everybody handles things so differently. And I actually went into the relationship with Jesse saying, okay, clearly having a relationship in this house is difficult. I don't want to proceed with you if we're not going to be able to end amicably and be okay.

I don't want to end up like Weston Sear and we are different people. So we might not end up like Weston Sear and hopefully that's what would happen. And he originally said that should be no problem. And I think if things were different, we probably could have been in a different space than we are in right now. But he obviously wanted to treat it the same. But I didn't really understand how much hurt there was between West and Sierra. If I'm going to be honest, I think obviously I can't really comment about how Sierra feels about things, but just from when I was going in from my perception, I didn't know too

much. And because I didn't watch last season and I didn't watch the reunion and I didn't really watch anything, I really was trying to play catch up with everyone. Okay, interesting. But I definitely didn't think that it was gonna be a red flag for me and my relationship because we are all so different in the house.

And that's what honestly makes the house great in so many ways because we are so different. Do you think Jessie and West are different? That's such a good question. And I'm sure, you know, one's taller than one shorter. Yeah, of course. One's a little long. If we had to make a list of 15 ways they're different,

I bet we could come up with 50 different ways. But like, are they more similar or more different now that you got to know them? I think from my perception and from what I've known of West, again, I don't know West in that capacity or even when he was really going for another girl in the house,

but he seems pretty stuck on not wanting a relationship, whereas Jesse really, really wanted a relationship. Like, Jesse was acting like a boyfriend, saying all these things. Like, he was really in the mindset where he's like, I a girlfriend. Was there any? Part of you that wondered you know because this was new for you and you don't I don't know like when I first started going on TV you always are worried about like producers and their involvement. I've you know I've always you know talked and said you know producers they

certainly produced their job but like I always find that producers are scapegoated for reality TV stars far more than they need to be. But did you ever get in your head about why Jesse was pursuing you, whether it was an authentic interest in you, or whether he felt like this was his season to get in a relationship and felt used? Well, it's funny.

In hindsight, I feel like there's definitely things that he said all the time. Like he would say to me, oh, West got so famous from fucking over Sierra. And I'd be like, but I really thought it was more of like a venting session that he was just like venting to me. Or like he would say a lot of things about West and I'd be like, okay, okay, let me like, Did it give you the idea that maybe he was envious of West? Yes, but also at the end of the day I was like, well there's no way because he's doing a million things to show me that like we are in an actual relationship. He's vents to me all the time about everybody else in the house or he's like,

he does all these things where I genuinely just thought he was venting. Now obviously, hindsight, you're like, oh, okay, that actually is weird to say. I almost feel like he did want to be, I mean, he even said in a podcast, he's like, the hate helps my algorithm, so keep going. Like he loves this. West or Jesse?

Jesse. Okay. So I'm like, okay, this, I think especially after him saying that, I'm like, you knew what you were doing. And I hate that. Interesting. Yeah. You feel like he was that like calculated with his choices with you. Yeah, because he would say to me like, oh, like nobody even, so for example, in the summer, he would say to me, oh, everybody's talking about you, whatever, but that's so good,

because you're getting so much airtime. Like last year, my first season, nobody even cared about me. And so there was just these like little things that he would say or he'd say like, don't trust this person or, and it, in the moment to me- Who do you tell you not to trust? Every, everyone. Every single person. In the cast? In the cast, in production, and everywhere. So I think it was difficult- But told you to trust him? Yeah. Because he's like, I care so much about you. Obviously, I'm dating you.

I love you. So it was difficult for me because as a singular person going in there with no other newbie to be like, okay, what's going on right now? I really did lean. And I think that I definitely trusted him more than I even naturally probably would because I did think that he was being honest and being like, look at, I'm telling you these things because I was new last year. And he would always just be like, everybody is so out of touch with being a newbie that like I'm really giving you good advice here. And so obviously I trusted him. And again, with the feelings and everything involved and living together and him sleeping

in my bed every single night, that was difficult for me to be like, okay, but are you being authentic? And I think because I'm so authentic with everything that I do, everything I say, everything that I'm feeling, it's so real that I assume that in everyone else. And I think that I definitely learned this summer

that you can't assume that everyone else has the same heart as you and the same intentions. You kind of alluded, I don't know if this is exactly what happened, but to not sleeping with Jesse until y'all were exclusive or not sleeping with anyone else, you were only gonna sleep with him. And you wanted him to only wanna sleep with you. Did it feel like he kind of told you all the right things

to sleep with you and then kind of that was what he wanted? Yeah, I think now watching it back, it's funny, because I didn't know, I would say 98% of the things that I'm watching. Like I'm watching and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I would have never dated somebody like that. I would have never, like, there's so many things that that's just not boyfriend material to me.

Like how he moved. Yes, and like how I, who I would date and who I'm like letting so closely into like my circle. And I think with setting boundaries as women, like we have to protect our emotional health, physical health, mental health. Like it isn't just, oh, I don't want you sleeping with anybody else.

There's so much more that goes into it. And that was just the one thing that I'm like, look, and I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna share that part of myself with you until I know that we're actually in this together. We're actually putting in efforts. We're actually like being there for each other. You don't get to access that part of me.

So now in hindsight watching, I'm like, well yeah, there was definitely a motive. But I didn't give it like a strong, I think there's a big misconception right now that I was like, oh it's 30 days and like that's it, or you're getting cut off. Well I'm glad you said that too. Because like I, you know, we talk a lot about dating

on this show and you know, I give advice to certain people who ask for it and things like that. And I've always said, it's just like, the artificial timelines are useless because a guy will wait, if you give him a goal. Men love goals. So like give a guy a goal, he'll shoot for the goal. Tell him six months, he'll wait six months.

Six weeks, six days, it doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? Because then they just think about the goal and they're not thinking about the connection or building anything. They're just more, so all you're doing is just wasting your own time by giving a guy some type of goal, a timeline,

because it's like, oh, well then this becomes hanging on for as long as you can as opposed to building that connection. And I liked what you said about that where it's just like, hey, I wanna be exclusive or I want to be in a relationship. That's a very specific goal, right? Where that's like, you know, and then yeah,

a couple can talk about what it means to be exclusive or boyfriend and girlfriend and yada, yada, yada, because that can happen in three or four days and that could, or that could happen in three or four months, you know? And it's less about some timeline or making someone wait for the sake of waiting, where it's just like, well, I'm going to, I hold myself to a certain standard.

So I want you to, you know, like, abide by my rules. I'm Lexi Wood and like, I just don't have sex in the first 10 dates. Yeah. Okay. Like, yeah, no, to me, it was very like, look at give or take as adults, you know, if you like somebody or you know that you don't. And because our situation was so different where it's like, okay, we are living together, we have other people in the house,

I more was just like, okay, we are gonna start the summer with seeing what happens. We could end the summer, even that last month being single. And like that would be fine. I was just putting out what I'm looking for in a relationship and what I'm looking for in general. I'm not looking for a fling. I'm not looking for a summer romance. I'm not looking for, and if he was that obviously that would have been so fine. I would have adjusted how I moved. I

would have adjusted my expectations, but he is saying that he wants the same things as me. And so for me, and he asked me to be exclusive with him like weeks and weeks before he even did it on the show. So we were already very much exclusive with him like weeks and weeks before he even did it on the show. So we were already very much exclusive and he even said that when he asked me, he's like, I know that we've already been exclusive for a long time, but like the official ask, he asked me weeks before, but it wasn't on camera.

So he likes to redo things. Yeah, so there's like a lot of things where he's one person on camera, one person off camera. Did that ever get, like, could you notice it in real time of like you're doing this for the cameras? Did you ever call him out on it or were you just like, interesting? No, I've called him out on it.

What did he say in response? He always just kind of like was like, oh, like I don't know what you're talking about or like, oh, I don't believe that. Or he would kind of just beg, oh, I hate that you think that or whatever. But at the end of the day, also think holding people accountable

is doing it out of care and love too. Like I, if I didn't care about you, I would just like let you be. Like I don't care what you do. I don't care how you move. But if it's somebody that I care about, I obviously would just like let you be. Like I don't care what you do, I don't care how you move. But if it's somebody that I care about, I obviously want the best for you. I want to see you grow and I want to see, as me too,

I hope my people hold me accountable so that I can grow. And yeah, I said to two of them multiple times, I was like, look, I feel like you're isolating me, I feel like you're manipulating me, I feel like I'm being gaslit all over the place. I don't feel like this is fair. I can't like you're saying one thing, doing another. You're two different people on and off camera.

He like needed to hang out with me nonstop. It was on and off camera. It was just like, it was consuming. Like almost like in a possessive way. I felt like a possession. Yes. Like I felt like if I didn't fall in line with what he needed from me, then something would happen where now watching back he would end up

just talking shit behind my back. What were a couple moments that you watched back that you were shocked by? That you like didn't know happened, didn't know what was said, and you were just kind of like jaw on the floor. The whole weekend that I was away, I was in Canada because my grandmother was getting cancer treatment. So I was so in the depths of just supporting my grandma and being there for her. And Jesse was FaceTiming me like nonstop. I really felt like that was a weekend that was actually a turning point

for our relationship because I was going through something at home and he was calling me nonstop. He was texting me nonstop. He was saying, I miss you and being so affectionate still. I felt like that was a turning point for our relationship where I'm like, you know what? I can trust this person. Like he is still trying to keep me involved in what's going on in the house. So I think seeing the toe thing for 37 minutes that weekend was crazy and then the fact that he slept in my bed after that and called me after that. So after he got out of that, oh, after those 37 minutes of toe sucking,

he called you and didn't tell you about it? No. So what did he say he was doing? He was just like, oh, we all went out. And then there was like a couple stories that kind of like sounded like it could have been the same story. So like originally he told me that he was just like, oh, we all went out. And then he, there was like a couple stories that kind of like sounded like it could have been the same story. So like originally he told me that he was just with his cousin's friends and he was just standing in the doorway. I think that might be a whole different story.

I don't know. All I know is I can never keep up with what he says because it's so all over the place and he's been proven to like lie on camera that it's just like, it's all so confusing and tangled up. I don't even know what he's saying. What does your gut tell you happened in those 37 minutes? I mean, I feel like what are you doing there for 37 minutes? Even just walking. He was sitting on the bed. Did you ever ask him?

So, yeah, he- Has his back. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, like I think- Bro code? I don't know. I honestly don't know. But what I do know is that Jesse walked into a room of three naked people that were DTF.

So I don't know. At the very least, he watched two naked women and a naked man do something together. And one of those naked women put his foot in her mouth. Which is just like boundary after boundary after boundary after boundary crossed. I just think that there's so much that I've seen, even just the fact that the people that he was always

going to to say these stories about me, about the following girls or all of these things that weren't exactly how it was, but painted to make me look a certain way. Oh yeah, when I watched the show and at first and you hear Jessie's POV and you're kind of like, man, you know, Lexi's kind of just like, you're kind of like chill out Lex.

You're like, geez, like he's allowed to have friends, you know, because they're, you know, I have dated women where early on you're like, oh, okay, this is intense. And then you hear your version of their story and it's like incredibly reasonable. have dated women were early on you're like, oh, okay, this is intense. And then you hear your version of their story and it's like incredibly reasonable. It's like, yeah, I mean, now that you're exclusive

and you're saying I love you, I don't know, following like five new women's kind of weird, you know? Yeah, and it was like 30, it's like a week. And like, I would get sent so much because obviously having an Instagram following and people are interested, people are always being, and because we were kind of caught kissing at a nightclub, people knew that something was going on there. So I was just sent so many screenshots and originally I didn't think anything of it because I was like, oh, whatever. I trust him. We're in a relationship,

whatever, or some sort of relationship. But then it got to the point where after the toe thing and after like I was catching him in like some some lies I was like okay maybe this is something that I should put weight into and maybe I should go and look and not just go in with my eyes completely closed to the situation and then he would just always say to me anytime that I would have those conversations with him he would just beg I haven't had a relationship in so long like I've only had really had one relationship when it was when I was a teenager. Please be patient with me. Please, I want to change for you. I'm trainable. I want you to bring this stuff up to me so that I can

change and be in a relationship with you. So that's genuinely what I thought I was doing. I thought that I was just giving him these little pointers, like, hey, just so you know, that's not how somebody in a relationship moves. And then he would change it. And that was not what was going on from now what I'm watching. What did you make of him like laying on Sierra

in the pool float and then commenting about her legs or something being up and that whole, it was the week and you were gone. Yeah, I think Jesse's inappropriate with, and it's just all bad. Like it's not fair, even from the first episode that I saw him talking about me behind my back being like, oh, oh, her butt, oh, this, oh, that. Like I don't love that he,

I feel like hyperse sexualizes every female. Like to me, and again, that's not somebody that I would have been in a relationship with. That's not who he showed up to in front of my face. So it was difficult watching that obviously, because I'm like, ew. I just forgot, he asked you if you were dumb the first episode.

I totally forgot about that. Which I feel like it's so messed up, because being a new person on the show, episode one, that was our first dinner together. Yeah, that was crazy. And he set the tone for me and where everybody was just like, oh, you're ditzy.

Oh, you're the ditzy one. Oh, you're gonna be just like this dummy. And it did set a tone. Like I was getting so many messages being like, oh, you're just ditzy. And it did take away when it's like, okay, well, actually I've been a business woman since I was getting so many messages being like, oh, you're just ditzy and it did take away when it's like, okay, well Actually, I've been a businesswoman since I was 11, but yeah, like what were you doing? Jesse at 17?

You're definitely like I said when we started this episode, you know, like I think people I do you mean Do you feel like people underestimate you a lot because I feel like you're someone who people could often underestimate Yeah, a hundred percent I definitely feel like I have lived so many different lives and I have so much knowledge, even just traveling by myself for so long and having situations where I've been so lonely and you have to figure it out.

And as much as, again, I'm so close to my family, I'm so lucky for their support, there's so many times where I, as a model, you can't, your family isn't with you all the time. Even with my family and I working together now, I lived on my own until I was 26 and then my sister moved to America. So even just, there's so much that goes into that whole situation. Like you can't even bring your credit from Canada to America.

So there isn't like, there really isn't a choice, but for us all, like with, from my sister and I to have to have an apartment together right now. And like, there's just so many moving pieces that I think sometimes people are committed to misunderstanding that I think Jesse setting the tone that I was ditzy just set it and I'm like, okay, well being happy and being taking life and actually just rolling with the punches and learning from it and taking everything as a positive, that's not ditzy. That's actually very smart.

Well, you know what, just let people underestimate you. It's... Yeah, it's fun proving people wrong. I mean, it's been nice to see, yeah, sitting on that trampoline bed, that first time we really saw you kind of like own your shit, you were so calm you like

Stated the facts and it was so good. Where like where did you learn that self-awareness? Specifically the calmness if I every time I give like someone calls up our ass Nick episodes We're like I get a lot of people calling in mostly women and we're talking about Situationships and they're like, okay, how do I say this? The number one thing I always say, more than anything, if you can control it, do this, calm. Because the more elevated, the more triggered you are, people know that they have a power over you.

And so if you can be calm and give the impression of being just in control of your emotions, it intimidates men like crazy. Yeah, and so to that point, how did you learn that? Because like that's not easy for most people to do. I think growing up watching my mom and dad communicate with each other was always such a blessing that they were always very, they're gonna communicate about anything even in front of us because they're like these are skills that you have to know how to communicate with your partner. You have to know how to communicate in general when you are upset or when you are sad or

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I guess like yeah, how did you connect with Sierra at all and like, you know, there's what we see on TV, but did you feel like there was like a weird energy between the two of you or her and Jesse as you started dating? Cause like watching it, it comes across as like maybe she's like not giving girl code, so to speak, or being a girl's girl, so to speak.

And again, I don't wanna, there's TV, there's edits and things like that, or were you kind of surprised? Even when Jesse sets this boundary with Sierra, it was a couple episodes ago, and she got mad at him. It's just like, wait, shouldn't you be praising Jesse for setting a boundary with you in a way because he's seeing this other woman named Lexi?

Like were you caught off guard or was there something we weren't seeing? With their relationship, honestly, you're gonna have to ask them because I think she's asked me not to speak good or bad. She's asked you to keep her name out of your mouth? Yes. So I think I can only speak about my, how I felt.

I didn't ever see any of it. It was never done in front of my face. So I actually had no opinion. I, yeah, I didn't know anything. Why do you think she asked you that? I mean, or do you think that's fair? I just want to respect what she wants, but I will say. Does she speak on other people ever?

She talked about me last weekend on Watch What Happens Live. Oh, that. What'd she say? There was a birthday situation, which I think the entire situation is, I basically put in our group chat that, and like I, it's a group chat, it's all of us have it, to that I'm having a birthday party,

anybody wants to come. Some of our cast was out of town, so they obviously couldn't, then some of our cast showed up, and they didn't, her and Jesse didn't answer, and that's just a fact. But also, I didn't think anything that was weird, she's never answered a text message from me,

so I've just never thought anything was weird of that. But then Jesse posted that they got lunch the day of my birthday party. So I was asked a question. I don't know. I was asked a question on an interview if their Coachella pictures upset me. I said no, because they post like that all the time.

And my birthday was also like two weeks after we left the house. So it was all like still pretty fresh. So I think it hurt me then, but again, like I have pictures. Jesse posted photos. He posted a story of them getting lunch on my birthday. She might've said it was like a lie. Yeah, she did, which it's not because I have screenshots.

And it's again, what Jessie is saying. I honestly think I will, I've been saying this and I will always say it. I will forever blame Jessie for all of that with her and I, but I can't comment on anything about their relationship because I don't know what it is. Do you think that maybe they got dinner or lunch a different day

and they maybe thought it was funny or maybe Jesse thought it was funny to post it on the day of your birthday party. The guy who seems to embrace all kinds of drama. Yeah, I think for sure. So maybe that's why Sierra's like, it's a lie because maybe they didn't actually get lunch that day but he's trying to make it seem like that for you.

Sierra and I had a conversation and it seemed like she agreed that they got lunch that day. Okay. From what I was hearing of that conversation, it seemed like she was like, well yeah, we got lunch. But I don't know what her, all I was doing was commenting if their Coachella pictures hurt me and they didn't. So I have no idea. I don't know. All I know is that it's her friend, Jessie, that posted it and it was not me.

That's him. What he posted is out of my control. Did it hurt your feelings at all to see the girl's reaction when he told them that you didn't want him commenting about like Amanda's jugs or whatever on like the crazy comments he puts under these women's photos. Did it hurt your feelings to kind of see their reaction to that ask? Jesse didn't necessarily communicate it how it actually was. Like Jesse always was

miscommunicating my boundaries. Making it seem like crazier than... Yes. Yeah. So I honestly, I think that Jesse manipulated every single person in the house. Gaslit every single person in the house. And it's really disheartening to like watch back because I did feel so misunderstood all summer and now I obviously understand why. I did feel distant. I did feel isolated and all of these things. But obviously I do understand and I do think that he was purposely, I mean, I can't, I don't know, but I do think that he miscommunicated so many different things. And it did draw a wedge between me and a lot of people in the house.

I don't think that they purposely, everybody else in the house purposely put up a wall, but I think naturally, when one person is making somebody look crazy, then they'd be like, okay, weird. And I do think that he did that. He miscommunicated a lot of things. Not well, I mean, I totally see what you're saying. This will be the last serious question I ask because I don't want to get you in trouble. But is it safe to say you guys aren't friends?

I mean, you seem like you're friendly with anyone who wants to be friendly with you. That's the vibe I'm getting. But like, it doesn't seem like there's a friendship there. Would that be accurate? I don't know. Did she pick him and divorce? I don't know their friendship or anything,

but I just know that. You guys aren't having lunch? Yeah. Okay. Clear this up for me, I think it's already clear for us, but like the West accusation that you somehow, you two were flirting that West even commented on, that was kind of annoying.

I mean, actually just a broader question. I am a little surprised to hear just how calculated from your point of view that Jesse can be. You know, like I've met Wes, I haven't met Jesse. I do have a story for you about that part in a second. But I wanna get your opinion on it. Yeah, Wes is like, you know, listen, I'm not gonna date him and I wouldn't want him to date my sister

at this stage in his life because he's clearly just in his fuckboy era, whatever. But he seems like a affable, fun, nice guy and he seems like, at the end of the day, like a good guy, you know, like, from what I can tell. And obviously Jesse's had some very serious health problems in the past that like, would affect anyone going through it,

and certainly can change your outlook on life. And so like, there's this part of me, and I've kind of joked when we covered the show, that like, I give him a little bit of a pass, you know, for like, you for like fighting, you know, it's just like this new look on life, or it's just like, okay, you know, like, and even now, like watching the past two episodes,

if I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, him and Wes has seemed like just incredibly immature, unserious people who really haven't been held accountable for their just kind of boyish ways, but at the end of the day, not necessarily malicious. But there are times, you know, because like sometimes when Jesse's like talking to women, he just, he acts like this dumb guy

who just like doesn't get it. Like why everyone's so upset with him. Or he acts like immature that like, you know, people want to stop him from having fun, you know, as if like, God forbid, you're not entitled to fun, as opposed to just maybe choosing your partner's feelings over fun.

Yeah, what are your thoughts on all that? And do you feel like he used that to his advantage, the empathy that one might give him for his health struggles in the past? Is your overall opinion of Jesse more like he has a lot of growing up to do and a lot of maturing to do, or he's more mature than you realize

and he's using his intelligence in a more nefarious way to get what's best for him? Yeah, I think obviously all the health stuff that's awful. And I think he's so strong for dealing with that and his family's so strong for dealing with that and that would be so hard. I personally think he's, from my experience with him, he's a lot smarter than his goofy ways

and I think that the whole philosophy of like, oh, boys will be boys. I don't live by that philosophy. I think, no, they have, men have an animal instinct to protect what they care for. And I think that sometimes he hides over the boys will be boys philosophy. I'm just tall and goofy.

I'm like, I'm just the frat boy. We're adults now, you're not. And I think that he knows that. And I think he is very calculated. I, in my experience, he is very, he knows how to comment on things and who to comment on, and where and when he should communicate things so that there is misunderstandings

and so that there is disconnectings and so that there is disconnections. And so that there is, I personally believe that from my experience with him. Talk to us about meeting the parents, Jesse's parents. It seems like they showed a clip of him talking to West, where he's like, she's absolutely not meeting my parents after this.

And then kind of told the rest of the cast that you forced your way at lunch or whatever. So like how, what's the truth? So he asked me to meet his parents like the first week we met. He's like it's my mom's birthday, they're coming in August 7th, I want you to meet them. So I was like okay and he wanted me to go to his family reunion and then he was like that's, you know what we actually haven't like. He asked you to his family reunion. Yeah he's like I wish that you could just come to my family reunion and then he was like, that's, you know what we actually haven't like, he asked you to his family reunion. Yeah.

He's like, I wish that you could just come to my family reunion. And like, I was going to Toronto that week. So I, that was like never going to be a thing. I was, that was busy. Um, but it was always a thing from the first week to meet his parents. He even said that in the kitchen to the guys.

He's like, well, I mean, like it was always, she was always supposed to meet my family until the morning we were at his house and I was going back to my house and he was like, oh, I talked to somebody on the phone and they don't think that I should meet, do you should meet my parents? And I was like, well, they're not in our relationship.

Like, do you want me to meet your parents? And he's like, yes. So I was like, okay, well, I want to meet your parents. This was always a plan. You've met my parents. If you want me to meet them, I would love to meet them. And he says, no, I would love for you to meet my parents. So it was-

Who's on your phone? Sierra? Yeah, that's what, again, he- His version. Yes. I genuinely don't know if that even ever happened. Now watching it almost kind of seems like Wes said it and maybe, I don't know.

Cause I- His communication came into play. Exactly. Yeah, where he likes to say certain things happened that didn't or like he likes to switch stories. So yeah, that was, it honestly didn't feel like that big of a deal to me. Like it didn't feel like it was like a no,

I'm so, like what he was communicating when I watched. I was like, whoa, that was not my experience. It was, you said that somebody's saying I shouldn't, but you want me to, so what works for our relationship that you and I are in? Did you feel crazy when he kept referring to the toe sucking as a joke. I felt crazy all summer.

If I'm gonna be totally real, every interaction that I had, I was like, I'm emotionally exhausted. Like, were you asking yourself, like, am I like a jealous, crazy bitch or something? Like, and I feel like I thought I was a chill person? Yes, and I'm like, because I actually am a chill person, just with boundaries, God forbid. Honestly, I would go home and be like, am I nuts?

Like, be so for real with me. Like my family and stuff, I'd be like, no, am I nuts? Like, please tell me. Like, I felt like every single thing that I did was wrong. Every single time I would say anything, it was wrong, even with the whole him and Sierra flirting thing, I didn't see it. It was everybody else in the house that told me it. And then even just with him flirting with everyone in general, it was them that said

I should talk to him about it. So I did. And then I'm wrong for talking to him about it in his eyes. And it's just, there was so much that I was like, guys, I don't know what to do. He's my closest person in the house. Unfortunately, like I didn't know how to navigate it. I didn't know if I was going nuts,

but I felt like I was going crazy. I felt emotionally exhausted. I felt gaslit all summer in every situation. I had no idea what was going on. I was so confused always. Like in real time you felt gaslit or looking back? Yeah. No, even in real time I was like,

I feel in my gut that this is all messed up, but how everything is, it's kind of like what he would say and then everybody else's actions, it aligned. Like it was like everything always aligned. And so I was like, okay, maybe I am going crazy. Do you think this relationship occurrence, an incident, this timing your life with Jesse,

do you think he's learned from it? No. Okay. I wanna get your opinion on something. I wanted to get Jesse on the show. I haven't met him yet. I wanna get him on the show. Earlier this season, someone from my team told me that he was interested in pitching me something. And I said, great, I wanna get him on the show. Earlier in the season, someone from my team

told me that he was interested in pitching me something. And I said, great, I'm interested in hearing, but let's get him on the show first, and we'll go from there. And then obviously as the season unfolded, certainly I think he's an interesting character on TV, and then you started dating, and obviously this drama, I was like, let's literally get Jesse on.

And there was a ton of back and forth, a lot of moving the goalpost, a lot of like, it was just, I was starting to get pretty annoyed. And then he finally like text me and flaked. He essentially blamed you. Are we airing this? What? Oh yeah, for sure, we're definitely gonna air this.

Blamed me? I haven't even talked to this man. Well he basically said like, he said like, after you know, you guys have filmed the reunion, I know I don't wanna give anything away, but he basically said like, he realized how much you got hurt and Didn't think he should speak on it at all and basically kind of just used your feelings as a cop-out I don't want to read the messages because like but I want you to read them and I want to get your opinion of it

And just get your thoughts on if you think this is honest or not. I'm gonna lean towards not. I think like with, I am honestly always so confused and I'll always say that I'm always so confused by him because like a couple weeks ago I think he went on another podcast and was like, oh no Lexi's lying about the whole, she said I told her that she was flirting with West.

Babe it's on TV. No, we literally watch it. You had mics on, actually. We, so. They played it back. Well, you know, listen. We watched it. This show has a reputation of at least,

I mean, holding people accountable. Sometimes West came on and was pretending he was kind of afraid to come or something like that. We will ask you direct questions. I feel like we give everyone an opportunity to look better, especially if they've been under fire. My response basically to Jesse was like,

if you've learned something at all, this would be a great place to talk about it. If you've been accountable, I didn't get a response to that. But this was his message. I just want you to read it and get your opinion on it. Okay. Do you think he was too afraid to face the fire? I didn't read your response,

but I think I am just a girl. And you know, when you cross girls, we turn into FBI agents. We have screenshots and we have a lot of things. And I don't necessarily, well, I don't really speak on anything unless I have proof. So I think he's probably realizing that. Hopefully.

He is like, I don't need to keep saying that she is lying because she's not. He's like, you're caught in a lie. not. And he's not willing to tell the truth. And he's been caught in a lot of lies on TV and people are like now on the internet, like probably placing it together, being like, oh, well, you actually said this. And then he likes to switch it. I think when people can no long,

when certain people can no longer control you, they like to control the narrative around you. And I think that that's what he thought he was doing until everybody watching was seeing exactly how I felt. And I think that he doesn't like that. And because you guys are so great and you guys do hold people accountable and because you guys do have open conversations

and about everything, I think he might not be able to keep track of every lie he's already said. And he doesn't like to. Yeah, definitely. Like honestly, I was, I think he was an all right guy. I mean, again, I haven't met him so maybe my opinion will change. But it definitely made me think less of him.

I'm just like, this is such a, like, you couldn't handle this. Like, what are you hiding? A lot. Because I just feel like, again, because honestly, I hope you're having a good time here. I am. I don't, I like, unless you are lying about something,

like I think if you are lying and you can't tell the truth, I wouldn't come on the show. Yeah. Because like, we'll figure it out. Yeah. Short of that, if you have nothing to hide, and like also like, well, you know, there's questions people don't want us to ask,

we don't ask them and things like that, but like if you are hiding something, I would come. Well, you guys, there's questions people don't want us to ask. We don't ask them and things like that. But like, if you are hiding something, I would have come. Well, you guys ask hard questions, but then you guys also like, respect if I'm like, oh, I can't comment on that. And then you guys are like, okay, cool. Let's try to see what we can communicate through it.

But like, if you can't, then you can't. But at the end of the day, I have nothing to hide. So that's why I was pumped to be here. I think also that conversation on the trampoline. Yeah. That showed me the real Jesse because his response, he said, first it was like, this is making me like question my friends, right?

Now he's like blaming his friends for his actions. And I think you had a great response of being like, no, your actions are making your friends feel icky. And then it was the like, well, I was gonna ask you to be my girlfriend, but like now I'm not. It's like, it was scary, like to see that. And then him go to like West or the girls and be like,

I'm just trying to have fun. And it's like, you don't care about her at all. Yeah. I, again, even like the West conversation, the kitchen, like I'm not present for any of that stuff. I'm not present for her. So I had no idea. And like, that's what he was saying on camera.

What he was saying off camera is equally as confusing and going around and like, I honestly felt like I was in a dryer, just getting thrown around all summer. I was like, what, what way is up? What is going on? Who am I trusting? All of my trust just with every single thing was so like put to the test all summer.

I didn't trust anything or anyone by the end of it. I was like, okay, yeah, no. I'm like, we gotta all restart guys. Can we restart the summer? I'm so confused I don't know if you can speak on this or I don't even know if you know But and we were actually just talking in yesterday's episode that like I there's we kind of feel like this show might need a little bit of a shake-up, you know because you have I mean you're not that young but like you have people kind of like

Dating and kind of more like what the show is about. And then you have people who've been on for seven years talking about whether they wanna have kids or not have kids. And- Like I think I said, I don't think we'll ever get a season where Paige is like hooking up with someone in the house

or making out with a guy at a bar. Like I don't see that in her future on Summer House. And I feel like we need a like, the people who've been on since the beginning maybe get a new and then this younger kind of like more fun and single and adventurous. But I guess what I'm asking is like, whatever the show decides to do,

let's assume not much changes. If you are asked, whether you've been asked or not, and I don't know what you can share, but would you wanna come back? And if you come back, how do you plan on carrying yourself around him? We saw how Sierra did with Wes. It was very cold shoulder.

It was very like, it was very bothered in a way that showed that she's still very much cared. Like you seem to be very self-aware about how you carry yourself in all rooms, but specifically ones that were maybe eyes might be on you in terms of like, how's Lexi gonna handle herself? Like, how do you see yourself carrying yourself

around Jesse if there's an opportunity to be in that house next season? Yeah, I'm so grateful for this entire opportunity. And like, I would love to go back. I feel like I have so much more to share that isn't just relationship chaos. I am so happy that I was able to share that isn't just relationship chaos. I am so happy that I was able to share that side of me where you can be calm and put up boundaries

and show young girls and guys that you can have boundaries and you can execute it really calmly and demand respect and I'm so grateful for that but I also feel like moving forward I have so much more to share just about myself and about how I navigate all different types of relationships and how I have so much fun in the summertime. But I think with Jesse, he's shown on the show that's not somebody that I would ever choose as my friend. So that being said though, I don't care.

I'm indifferent about him. I, yeah, I think he did what he did. He's an adult. Those are adult decisions that you make. That's on you. That's not on me. I moved with grace. I moved with love.

I moved with forgiveness. I moved with so many different things. Did I probably forgive one too many times? Yeah, but that's who I am. And moving forward, yeah, like I don't think about him. What he does is none of my business. Am I gonna be cold? I don't think indifference is cold or warm.

Yeah, I hope you're just like, I hope you're just like, I actually hope you're incredibly nice to him in the way someone would be nice to someone they like caught up with, like they used, they went to high school with, but they barely remember. Yeah. And they're just like,

Oh, yes, you, of course. How are you going? And you fake nice because you don't want to be a dick because you really just don't remember or care. Yeah, I think for me, like I don't ever really want to be in a room alone with him because I don't necessarily trust that he's not going to lie about something. But other than that, like I don't think about him. He can

do whatever he wants. He can... I don't care. You know what I mean? Like that was a relationship that was bad. And can I learn from that? Yeah. Did I grow from that? Yeah. Did I realize like that setting boundaries is so important and fun? Yeah, I learned so much and that's all I can really ask for and I really did learn that you can't just assume that people have the same intentions in heart and heart is you and that's okay, keep on moving on. How much of an ick was it to see four men

in their early 30s or older snuggle up on a trampoline watching Zootopia. It was actually so funny. So Gabby and I were in the kitchen. I was like, it was a continuation of me crying in my bedroom when we were eating popcorn. And I was just like watching them and I was like, I'm so mad. I'm so mad at you guys right now. Cause I'm like, first of all, that sounds like a hoot, but I'm inside crying and eating popcorn. And this isn't fair. Yeah, I'm like, this is not fair.

So I'm glad that they got rained on. I mean, like I'm all for, like I love my male friends and I love my relationships with my male friends, but like sometimes, you know, and I guess maybe I'm older. Nick's just a little old and grumpy sometimes. Fine, but in my thirties, I just wasn't doing shit like that where it was just like, you know. I was doing that shit when I was in my early 20s.

Yeah. You know, I don't remember the last time. I definitely wasn't in my 30s when I was like 3 a.m. eating Hot Pockets after a night at the bar with my boys. We love Hot Pockets. Like you just went to bed. I just went home by myself. I definitely wasn't like after barring.

You know with that might be different if you're like in a house with a bunch of people. It's like maybe you know maybe I'm just holding grumpy. I don't know. Lexi this has been so much fun. I again like this interview has been everything I thought it would be. You're a great example to people. Again you're younger than me, but young adults out there dating in a hookup culture environment where I think it's just very easy to blame the other person because I think most people in dating culture

are kind of a little self-centered and selfish and sloppy and because hookup culture is what it is, it's easy to like either blame confusion or the other person and you seem someone who's, yeah, like you very calmly set boundaries in ways that I think clearly people have a very difficult time doing and it's been great getting to know you and I hope you are back because you're fun to watch

and you do carry yourself in a way that is still I think entertaining but like you do set a good example of how people should carry themselves and how they should handle disappointment and and how they should move in a very messy dating environment. Thank you so much I really really appreciate that and thank you so much for having me this has been so much fun I'm so glad that I'm here. Where can people follow you? Anything you want to plug, promote? Yeah. You guys can follow me on Instagram at Lexiwood.

TikTok, LexiwoodX. Couldn't get Lexiwood. Lexiwood kisses. I have a podcast with my mom and sister called Six and Nine. And then I'm coming out with my lingerie collection with Hanky Panky this fall. How can people support that? On hankypanky.com

and just following me through socials and I'll keep you all updated and yeah I'm so excited for everything. We did see you quickly show up in the next episode with Jessie. Did you all ride together? What's happening there really quickly? Just a quick question. Like I said I'm a forgiving person one too many times. Yes, of course. I forgot it. So, but there's strangely still so much more to the season. I do feel like we saw like a teaser and there's been some things we haven't seen quite yet. Yes. Yes, there's somehow.

I feel like we all know how it's gonna end, but I am excited to see how it plays out. One final question. Yes. You get a random call, it's a lady. She's like, I met Jesse, I'm thinking about dating him. What advice would you give her? And also do you think Jesse is dangerous to date for women?

Yes, I think that he needs to get real with himself, do a lot of inner work that I don't know if he's ready to even look that far inward for. But through my experience, I wouldn't tell my worst enemy to date him right now, where he's at. And I think I would love for him to be honest with himself. Like I think, I honestly will say,

I think Imruel was so cool coming in and being like, look at, I've been in long- Fuck. Yes, I've been in long-term relationships. That's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for play parties. I'm looking for fun. I'm looking for sex. And I think that because he's so honest with himself and he's looked really inward and I think Jesse needs

To reflect as well. You're nice. I said Lexi, thanks again. It's been great. Oh, yeah Thanks for listening guys. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye. Bye you