The Viall Files - E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of The Vile Files. I am your host Nick and boy do we have a jam-packed episode for you today. Later on this episode, we have the stars of Netflix's Love on the Spectrum, Abby and David, the charming couple from that show. We get to know them. Lovely couple. Excited for you guys to hear that.

We're also joined by Abby's mom, which I thought was so interesting to get to just pick her brain about everything she's been through. Yeah, she truly has like dedicated her life to her daughter and she has a lot of fascinating insight into the autistic community. Wonderful interview, excited for you guys to hear it. Also, we have the host of the new hit show on Netflix Battle Camp, Taylor Luan, formerly of the NFL,

also very excited. One of the former formerly of the NFL, also very excited, one of the former hosts of The Vile Files, friend of show Sugar Lynn Beard, also starring, and the new hit show The Studio, she has a very dynamic role, she stars in the episode, what's the episode called, which one is it? It's episode six. It's episode six.

How dare you? I think it's called The Oncologists maybe, or The Doctors maybe. It's my favorite one so far. Oh, thank you so much. You know what, I play Dr. Rebecca Chan Sanders and it was a complete joy. As an actor, you get to go through the scenes,

as you know, they're shot in one, so it was like doing a play. It was all these amazing heavy hitters. It was so funny. It was just, it was a dream come true. And I'm proud, proud of my performance. I think it'll be really cool for River to be able to watch that one day and be like,

oh my God, that's my babysitter. I know, but we're gonna have to start her on me in the Care Bears. And then we're gonna have to start her on, you know, me and Sailor Moon. There's a lot of Shug, of anti-Shug out there for her to enjoy. Well, for Annie Lesser's that have been with us since the beginning, I will remember Sugar Lynn,

I did have to fire her from the, I'm just kidding. I quit, but go on. You got deported. I did, I basically got deported. I basically got deported, but I had such a great time on the show and honestly it's really fun for me because that was the very time that he was courting Natalie.

So I got to be in on all of the behind the scenes, encouraging him to lock it down. So if all of y'all are pissed that me and Nick are together, you can blame Juck. You actually can and I will take your calls. We could do a whole separate series where I calm y'all down about this relationship that I love so much, and honestly get to witness

in a really beautiful, unique, and intimate way. What's your favorite thing about our relationship? I like how you tease your husband, because teasing to me, teasing to me is like my favorite love language, so I just, I love the way that you knock him down, you know. Perfect, yes, of course. But I bring them right back up. You sure do.

Yes, I do. You sure do. Yes, of course. She is now officially our babysitter. Okay, can I stop you right there? I do not like the term babysitter at all. No, I'm not 12. I'm like, you know, I'm a sister mom. Yeah, yeah all. No, I'm not 12.

I'm like, you know, I'm a sister mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're also not our like- I'm not sitting on your baby. I've never sat on her once, never. I don't know where she is. Where is she? She's sleeping obviously.

No, it's sister mom. We're sister moms. We're sister moms. Thank you. She's not our nanny. She's not our babysitter. No. She's our sister mom. That's right. Thank you. She's not our nanny, she's not our babysitter. She's our sister mom. That's right.

Thank you. Babysitter is not PC for 2025. Stop it. I don't like it. I don't care if it's PC. But you're so young. I know. My youth helps, but I'm not a babysitter.

My youth helps, but I'm not a babysitter. Well, I have been obsessed with the Karen Reed trial and I have not been able to take my eyes off of the screen. Sierra, why did you open your mouth? I went to a screening of the documentary from the first trial and then yesterday I kept kind of like trying to tap it and be like, fuck, gotta work, but like, it's intriguing. What do you think? Do you think she's innocent or guilty? I don't know. Like, I genuinely do think that she's innocent and I think that she's being framed.

But like I'm like, I haven't paid attention enough to this trial go wrong. I'm less than 48 hours like into this case. What have you gathered? I'm generally being aware of it. But also a nonstop 48 hours because I haven't stopped talking about it. That's true.

Emily Baker did make me aware of it long ago when I was like, when we were talking about her coming back and she was just deep into Karen Reed and then Nellie told me about it. And I was like, when we were talking about her coming back and she was just deep into Karen Reed and then Nellie told me about it and I was like, this is Karen Reed and then she's like, I think she's innocent and I'm like, what? And then she told me about it. Once I heard about the Google of how long does it take

a body to die in the cold? I was like, and then I heard Boston police force and after watching the departed, I was like, these are all just much more cricket fucks. But there's so much like, yeah, there's so much reasonable doubt and there's so much shadiness. What did you talk about yesterday? The SIM card cracking?

It was this morning. Yeah, the Brian Higgins, who was in the house with the Alberts. Who's Brian Higgins to the people who don't know? Brian Higgins is a friend of John O'Keefe with the Alberts. Who's Brian Higgins to the people who don't know? Brian Higgins is a friend of John O'Keefe in the Alberts. John O'Keefe, he's an ATF agent. John O'Keefe was a Boston cop.

And they all went back to the Alberts house. And supposedly to Karen Reed, she was like, go see the vibe, do a vibe check. And he went in to do a vibe check and then like, did it come back out? And she was like getting pissed. So she's calling him being like, can I come in? Like, what's the vibe? He's not answering. So she gets pissed off. She's like, fuck you.

I'm going home leaves. And then he never comes home. She's blowing his phone up the whole night, being like, you motherfucker. Like she thinks he's out there cheating on her and she wakes up. He's still not home. so she freaks out, she's calling Jen McCabe, she's calling Carrie Roberts, she's like, where is John? They're like, we don't know, come pick us up, we'll help you look for him.

Why don't y'all call him? You know, isn't that weird? Why weren't they like, oh, let me try him, maybe he'll answer my call. Nope, they're just like, come pick us up. Then they go back to John O'Keefe's house. Like, why go back there? That's just where Karen Reed woke up and he wasn't home. So then they're driving around. They go back to 34 Fairview where she dropped him off for the party.

I love how you know the address by heart. And honestly, the passion. Oh, and the first time awesome names. I've never heard you speak so passionately about anything. Besides at my wedding. Besides at my wedding. Besides at your wedding. Yes.

And they go back to 34 Fairview and she sees John O'Keefe laying in the snow and she's like, oh my God, there he is, jumps out of the car. The two women with her are like, where? We don't see him. There's so much snow. We don't know where he is. You know what's crazy is Jen McCabe stays in the car while Karen Reed and Carrie Roberts go out there

to like perform CPR on him. Jen McCabe calls 911 sitting in the car, but guess what? What? Karen Reed was calling John O'Keefe's phone as they roll up to 34 Fairview. And he doesn't answer obviously. So it goes on to voicemail and she jumps out of the car because she sees him.

The voicemail is still running. Jen McCabe is on the phone in the car. The voicemail on John O'Keefe's phone picks up everything Jen McCabe is saying on the phone. She got off the phone with 911, calls her sister who is married to Brian Albert, who is in the house, and says really quietly in a very low voice, why are you warning your sister that someone's coming,

that like the police are coming to check on the dead body in your front yard? It's getting very suspicious. And Brian Higgins was also in the house, and he like took his SIM card out of his phone and ripped it up or bent it, broke it, threw it in a trash can along with his phone, then got in his car, drove to a military base to dispose of his phone and his SIM card. Why?

What was on your phone? Wait, what was his explanation? Wasn't one of the people in the house also an EMT with like life-saving skills? One of them was a Boston, another Boston cop. Or he was, he was in the, yeah, he had life-saving capabilities. He was Jen McCabe's brother-in-law, Brian Albert. And she like never once thought, Oh, maybe I should go inside, wake up my

brother-in-law to like actually perform CPR because Karen Reed doesn't know what she's doing. Never once did she say, let me go inside and get some blankets because it's freezing out here in the snow to like warm up his body. It's very suspicious. Did he explain why he broke his phone? I think it was along the lines of like,

well, you know, I just do that when I'm done with phones. So trial number two is currently going on because trial number one was a mistrial or a hung jury or what? I believe it was a mistrial. But wait, did you see the police officers the night of the incident that they were collecting evidence in red Solo cups?

And then putting it in a grocery bag? Yes, like they were collecting blood from the snow. I will say that one, yeah, it does seem a bit suspicious, but like it was a blizzard and like maybe they were just doing the best they could. That is the least suspicious of all the suspicious things that Natalie just mentioned.

What about the video where they're in the auto shop and they flipped the perspective of the video. Same old one. So it looks like, and this played last night and you were falling asleep while we were trying to watch the documentary. Sorry. Sorry.

So the whole thing that they're pinning Karen Reid on is like she used her car and backed into him, and that's why she has a broken tail light. That's what killed him. And she does have a broken tail light. How did she back into him in the first place? They're saying that she was drunk, it was dark. So he got out of the car and just walked behind the car

for no reason? Like, why would he do that? And also, wouldn't there be evidence beyond the broken tail light? Like his blood? Like his blood, or? Why would you do that? And also, wouldn't there be evidence beyond the broken taillight like his blood or? Yeah, you would think for sure. But they don't they didn't really care about any of that. So, yeah, so they show.

So then Karen Reed is like, well, how did I get this broken taillight? Like, honestly, like she was like, maybe I hit him, but I don't like I really don't think I did. She was honestly she was drunk. And then they watch back the ring footage of her like at John O'Keefe's house. And she had backed into his car on her way out. And then they show footage from the like auto body shop

that this trooper proctor who is crooked and thank God he's fired. Took her car. Tell the audience. Well, let me finish this part too. They take her car to the auto body shop to investigate it and they flip. They have the camera mirrored, right? So you can't see what's happening on the left side of her car where that broken tail light is. There's like someone over there doing something and it is giving Agent Proctor, Trooper Proctor,

took off some pieces from her broken tail light, put them in his pocket, went back to the 34 Fairview and like sprinkled them all along the front lawn. Cause people had done searches, they didn't find anything. They had like taken a leaf blower and like blew the snow around. They didn't find any pieces of tail light. leaf blower and blew the snow around, they didn't find any pieces of tail light, and then all of a sudden,

they have the search team go out there, and there's 47 pieces of broken tail light. What's the most interesting about that is the timeline, because they talk about, again, like you said before, they were looking for material, and it was a long period of time. Let's say an hour, two hours, they were looking for stuff, didn't find anything. Then they came back hours, you're looking for stuff, didn't find anything.

Then they came back out, we're looking for more stuff. And then all of a sudden in like a 15 to 20 minute span is when they found all these items of glass and like debris from allegedly her car, which is like, wait, so like you magically found it all at once in a short period of time while you've been looking for hours? And honestly, like if you hit a human being with your car, it's not going to spread shards of glass across

the lawn. Like what? And on those pieces of tail light was John O'Keefe's DNA and two other males DNA. And like our Lord and Savior grace, Alan Jackson said, if the Commonwealth doesn't wanna change their theory to Karen Reed now hit three men with her car, then their theory is gone. And Alan Jackson is who? Not the country music star.

Is Karen Reed's lawyer. Yes, he is Karen Reed's lawyer. Oh, he sounds like he's gonna be fun. Yeah, he was also Kevin Spacey's lawyer, which I wasn't involved in that case. There was no winning the Kevin Spacey's lawyer, which, you know, I wasn't involved in that case. Guys, there was no winning the Kevin Spacey. He lost. He lost from the beginning. He didn't.

He got out? Yeah, Kevin Spacey has been cleared. Oh, that's why he's out and crying about being broke. Yeah. Anyways, so that's... Let's not taint the Karen Reed case. No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, sorry, Spacey.

I don't know anything about the Kevin Spacey case. All I do know is that he was the same lawyer, and I just have to say that I am Team Karen Reed case. It's right here. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I don't know anything about the Kevin Spacey case. All I do know is that he was the same lawyer and I just have to say that I am Team Karen Reed and if you're not, I don't really give a fuck, so please don't DM me. Thank you. Go watch the departed and tell me that Karen Reed's guilty.

I dare you. I dare you. Thank you for that very eloquent, very entertaining recap of a case that's been going on for a long time. I'm hooked. Eventually we'll get Emily Baker on to debrief this case from a more legal perspective. Well, I mean, this is more from an entertainment.

You're the color commentator. You know, like Emily Baker's more like the play by play. She is obviously balls deep in this case, where she said she will try to come out with a prosecution, prosecution, prosecution. Right. Prosecution. Good.

Very good. But anyways, I hope this scratched that itch for all you true crimers out there who are also fans of The Vile Files. Lots to get into today. Before we get into breaking down the valley, which we all watched this morning. Yes we did. Do not forget that yesterday's Going Deeper

with Lexi Wood is out now, and boy she gave a scathing review of her relationship with Jesse. You do not want to miss that. It is a, boy, it was piping hot. I mean, it was- She didn't hold back. We gave her a cold brew by the time she was done talking.

It was a hot coffee. It was- Come on, that was cute. You, yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Cold brew. She also, if you did not know, we talk about her past relationships as well.

One of them being Brooklyn Beckham, who is now under fire from his family. And I gotta say. Under fire. He got fired from his family. Sierra, can you help us out here? Nicola Pelts is allegedly fed up with how narcissistic Victoria and David Beckham are,

and they verbally berate Brooklyn. The actress alleges that she doesn't like the way her husband's narcissistic parents treat him. They've reportedly made themselves available for months and months to discuss the ongoing drama, but are devastated that David and Victoria don't want their daughter-in-law around for the conversation.

I feel like there has been nonstop, like, fighting between Nicola and Victoria don't want their daughter-in-law around for the conversation. I feel like there has been nonstop fighting between Nicola and Victoria Beckham, right? I feel like we're always seeing speculation that they hate each other. Right. I thought it started strong. I thought that they started in a really, really good place. It kind of felt like they would post things, though,

intentionally to kind of be like, oh, here's the headline that's coming through, and then they're like, no, we're together on a yacht be like, oh, here's the headline that's coming through. And then they're like, no, we're together on a yacht. Like, no, we're together celebrating my birthday. We're best friends. I mean, we just have like, what, how old was Brooklyn when they got married?

I mean, who knows? Maybe there was stuff going on behind the scenes that we didn't know about, but we had 20 some years of like a relatively like close dynamic between Brooklyn and his parents. And all of a sudden someone shows up and then things change. You know, like what's the difference, right? The new sudden, someone shows up, and then things change. You know, like what's the difference, right?

The new person. Like, I don't know, like. They've been married for three years. For three years? For three years, and he's 26 now, so he got married at 23. I got married at 25. Nick got married at 58, you know?

I don't know, it's just, I don't know, maybe, I don't know. It's your first baby. Maybe David and Victoria are our sisters. I feel like I would pay David Beckham to verbally berate me. Honestly, like, and your in-laws, like have some, they're older people, they're your in-laws, respect them.

Like don't come out in the news and be like, they're mean, they're mean to my husband. Like, what are you talking about? I feel like that is causing just more issues within the family to like take it to the public. Yes. You know, like take it to a therapist. Yes.

You know, if all of a sudden some drama came up and like my parents wanted to like work it out with me and I could understand if they were like, can we just like talk to you and not the person we feel has like created a divide between our relationship. I feel like they need a documentary or a reality show. They had one. And it was gorgeous.

But it didn't show the kids in her, did it? No. No. Yeah. No, I need a reality show with the best. I mean, her family seems a bit, I mean, their wedding was a bit dramatic. Her dad, a billionaire, got into it with some wedding vendors, which I guess now that I've planned a wedding, you've been married.

Yeah, you also did. You also. I do, yeah. I actually know I was staying corrected. But like David Beckham's dad was really tough on him too and really like in a loving way pushed him to become the man who he is. And I bet that David has some of that in him too,

where he's a strong father, but he's so loving from what I can see. We love David. He was super kind when I asked him for a selfie. And we did ask Lexi Wood about them and she gave a glowing review of the two of them, but definitely said, I think, that she didn't spend a lot of time with them,

but she did give them a glowing review. Well, good news. Let's give this round of applause for Clayton Eckhart. The man finally got some justice. For those of you who have been living under a rock and not following his story, the bachelor with the worst luck in the world, his luck has finally seemed to change a little bit.

After going through years of speculation, is like, is he the father from a person who, turns out she was like a real life gone girl person who had like a history of allegedly duping men into thinking she was with their child, regardless if they were actually had intercourse or not, and she went public with this, made his life a living hell. She has, this person has now been charged

with like several counts. We don't need to know their names here, but can we go through the list of the counts that this person has been charged with? Yes. The fact that this has not made mainstream media. No, it's actually kind of fucked. When we had Clayton on the show

and he went through the whole story, the mainstream media covered when the accusations against Clayton and then when we had that episode with him and he like went through it, there wasn't a single mainstream media outlet that covered that episode. But you know what they do cover?

Oh, that's so sad. They covered that Nick was turned on, that I was strict with the customer service people on the phone. So thank God they got that out there. That's what they picked up from that episode. But not Clayton clearing his name. They didn't wanna cover that.

Oh my gosh. I have a poor man. I have that she's accused of several felonies which include fraudulent schemes and artifices, forgery, perjury, and tampering with physical evidence. Crazy. One count of fraudulent schemes. Just out of curiosity, Lea,

what mainstream coverage has covered this story as of today? Like when Clayton announced that this person has been charged, has anyone covered it? We've got the San Francisco Chronicle. Oh, okay. We've got Fox 10 Phoenix. The Arizona Republic. 12 News.

Wow. Two Fab. That's crazy. Oh no. So wait, so no. Is there like a conspiracy going on? I mean, she was, this person was charged in Arizona, so that makes, it makes sense why the local Arizona news covers it, but.

Oh, but guess what? Us Weekly did cover his feud with Gabby Wendy. Oh, obviously they would, yeah. A couple weeks ago. Like that's fucking crazy. Yeah, are people just out to get him? I don't know, it's honestly, it's like, I'm not a big conspiracy theorist,

but that is conspiratorial. No one wants to like clear his name. It's wild. Fucking crazy. Anyway, it's very happy for Quaden. Well you guys, you guys tried to clear his name and we know that he appreciates that. Is the whole thing like gonna go to a trial?

I don't, I mean, I don't know. This person's been charged with several counts. Yeah, he did say in his Instagram video, like it's finally over, and I was like, maybe it's just about to begin. Yeah. But I think for him, he's just like, again, it's obviously very personal for him.

I think he's had a hard time getting national pickup to his frustration. Anything that's come out against him, the national media picks it up. Mainstream media picks it up. It's like, oh, anyone gonna talk media picks it up, mainstream media picks it up. It's like, oh, anyone gonna talk shit on Clayton? Let's pick it up. Anyone wants to clear Clayton's name?

They're all like crickets. Yeah, everybody wants a villain. I think he just feels very vindicated that now that law enforcement has said, no, there's a real potential crime going on here. It's just another bit of evidence to say, no, for anyone who didn't believe me before, this person's being charged with fraud.

It's really quite disturbing that no one wants it. People, Us Weekly, E-News do better. Page Six, TMZ, whenever you wanna just cover it, we're ready. Well, Sutton Strack revealed that she let go of Avi and she also has not spoken to Garcelle since the reunion. That's because Garcelle won't talk to her. Yeah, that's because Garcelle won't talk to her.

Well, I don't know. Maybe it's Sutton that's the problem. No, it seems like she is potentially the problem, but I think it's because Garcelle has set a boundary of, I thought you were my friend, you didn't show up for me, I'm tired of this behavior, and I am no longer interested in keeping this friendship alive. And Sutton seems to be very much Team Kyle these days.

Well, they did, according to The Sun, they did say that Sutton, Kyle, Dorit, Bosema, and Erica are set to return full-time, and there could be between one to two new housewives. We don't know about Kathy or Jennifer Tilly quite yet on what their status is, but I guess that kind of debunks the whole one will be, right, I mean, when that came out, it was like.

I mean, the rumors in Bravo World and all the bloggers, it's, I don't even know why we even spend time. It's exhausting, yeah. You know, considering all the like, the ridiculous rumors, speaking of which, like the one that like Meredith was allegedly fired from the real house lies in Salt Lake City,

which she has put out that she never was and she won't be, which is a pretty easy rumor to debunk because like I'm assuming she's going to be on the season and that we'll know there won't be, which is a pretty easy rumor to debunk because I'm assuming she's going to be on the season and there won't be any like, oh she's fired, there won't be any like Kendra Moore, you know, like oh, not on the show anymore. So. Meredith did kind of insinuate that,

I mean this is my read on it, but I think she was kind of insinuated that Britney was the one that was working overtime on a smear campaign In true Meredith fashion, you know, I haven't seen miss Brittany singing on my for you page. Has anyone done a wellness check? Oh, yeah, what the heck? That is true, right? Yeah, maybe it's our algorithm because Salt Lake isn't like airing right now Well, I've watched every single one of her singing videos. So if she's singing, I would think.

You should know. That the algorithm would say, excuse me, your favorite thing on the internet is happening again. Maybe she's resting. Take it up with your algorithm. Maybe she's resting her voice. Vocal rest. Yeah, it's important for a musician.

She hasn't posted on TikTok since April 29th. But April 29th was like a week ago. I just wanna start a rumor that Jennifer Tilly is getting her own show because I think that she is just worth. We do need her and her and Kathy on their own. Don't we? Like just let's send them on vacation, you know,

and watch them go and spend their money somewhere. I wanted Jennifer Tilly and Kathy Hilton just to like, just move on over to Denise Richards show because that's like a comedy, it's lighter. You know, Kathy and Jennifer, like, I mean, they're like good comedic relief, but they're not really, Jennifer doesn't give any drama. She's like afraid of drama.

She's like, I'm too rich to bother. Which I totally respect. We love that for her. But she seems a bit miscast in those videos. She does. And you know, there's so, I wanna watch her spend all of that Simpson's money and have such a great time, you know? True.

Well, finally, Love Island USA has announced the premiere of season seven. Premieres June 3rd on Peacock. Super excited about that. Also announcing their premiere, Bachelor in Paradise returns July 7th. That's ballsy of Bachelor in Paradise because, and again, this is an alleged reboot.

We now have Hannah Brown part of the hosting group. They have a new location, a new show runner. Who knows? Maybe we'll get a whole new show. But they, I mean, listen, it's a very similar format to Love Island in terms of like love competition show with an ensemble cast of characters. But just like following the debauchery of Love Island

just makes historically Bachelor in Paradise seem really boring. It truly does. So they are gonna premiere their new reboot show five weeks in to Love Island, and I gotta say, they better show up. The risk is you spent five weeks watching like the Premier League, NBA, NFL,

whatever your favorite sport is, and then you tune in to like high school sports. Truly, we've fallen in love with these people by week five. I'm 100% invested. These characters better show up. Tough act to follow, as they say, but we will be following it nonetheless, either enjoying it or saying do better.

So we'll see. All right. The Valley. Valley. Well, the Valley opens up with Jesse showing appreciation for his daughter paying attention to fashion because he has these fashion slippers while wearing flip-flops the entire episode.

How can you claim to have a fashion-forward mindset while wearing flip-flops? Wait, can we also add in those baggy underwear he was wearing? That he was wearing diapers. Yeah, can we also add in those baggy underwear he was wearing? That he was wearing diapers. Yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. I was like, sir, what is in there?

Did she have an accident? Do you think he forgot to stuff a sock? If he had done nothing to Michelle, their whole relationship, that is warrant for divorce. Yeah, those underwear. Do we have a picture of that shot? Can we bring it up please? For the people who haven't watched it.

I just like, I mean, keep in mind, this is a man who like seems to like highly curate every moment. Like Jesse is the most, I wanna be careful how I say this, the most self-aware person in the sense that he knows, you can tell he knows he's being filmed. Right, with other reality TV stars, they seem like they're just like, we are watching them,

but they don't know that we're watching them. And Jesse always gives, I know you're watching me. And it's so shocking that he chose to wear the triple XL underwear that clearly didn't fit him. On camera. It was like, what do they call our full panties? I guess like period panties. I guess like period panties. He was wearing period panties.

You know, Jesse was wearing, he's on day one of his period. He's got like the biggest tampon in and also the biggest pad on. And also the biggest pad. He needs room for both. He's a heavy bleeder. He's got a wide set vagina. It's true.

He can't lie down without staining the bed. Maybe he's a genius because I will say, he's the person I talk about the most on the show. He's the person I enjoy on my TV. If wearing loose fitting panties, let's call them what they are, was a move, is genius. It's genius. You know what I mean? It's genius.

Also, maybe that's really, like would that be comfortable for you boys? Not really, that's the thing. Because like when you put on, you know, I'm not, I'm way over my skinny era jean. I don't know if Jesse is, but if you wear underwear, like in the skinny jean era, you had to have pretty like tight underwear

because otherwise you're getting a bunch of bunching, you know, a lot of not fun. But like that underwear's gonna bunch regardless of how baggy his pants are. So really quite uncomfortable. What about for his sleeping? Like maybe they're his night-night panties. Also like, how did he, he ran into the house,

in those flip-flops by the way, and the next thing you know, he's naked. And he's yelling at Jason to get out of the room, and cussing. Couldn't wait to take his pants off and flail about in his night-night panties. They also look like they're from the 1970s. They were a weird cream color. They were pilling already.

They were pilling, for sure. They're like his security undies. Like his grandma made them for him. It's like in a family heirloom. Yeah. That was a crazy thing to go on national television and wear those. What is going on?

It's the side view also that troubles me. It's Renaissance underwear. I feel like Jesse's underwear was reason number one why Michelle wanted a divorce. Hey. Literally, I stand by that. You know, he's in great shape. You know, he takes care of the bod.

Oh my God, though, but when he came out shirtless for the car toy racing, it was just like, come on, man. But that's what I'm saying. He's like, again, he's like, oh, I'm being filmed. I'm just gonna go unzip the top here. Yeah, he's definitely putting himself, he's like casting for women. He's like, all right, everyone, this is me.

And if you want me, my DMs are open. Is this account called Blocked by Jax? For those of you asking, it's not me because I am also blocked by Jax. Well, speaking of Jax, they started this episode with Jax rage texting Brittany in his 15 minutes of free time in between therapy sessions. Can I tell you that Connor and I literally

were pausing the screen going frame by frame, trying to read her phone. Oh, same. But every time I paused it, when you pause it, the lower third box comes up and it was covering the text. Yes. See mine, I can hit back and it clears the whole display. So I was reading the entire thing. You lucky bastard.

No, I had to just keep replaying it. Danny rolled over at one point. He was like, what is wrong with you? Is there a producer hanging out with Jax in this mental health facility? Because like, how is it possible that they're on this trip filming? And then wouldn't you know it,

right when they're in the middle of like. Well, he has his diary, his phone diary that he's recording himself on in front of a white wall. No, I get that. But like, and he can do that anywhere and they can play it at any time, but he coincidentally text Brittany in the middle of like- Because Jesse told him, Jesse told him.

She said, how does he know that we're in Santa Barbara? Did anyone tell him that we're in Santa Barbara? And Jesse goes, oh, I did, I talk to him every day. And she goes, why would you do that? It would like upset him. And he was like, I feel like he deserves to know. No, Jesse the mental health expert that he is. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

But you're right. He did text right in the moment. They were standing in a group. They weren't in the middle of an activity. They were all there and ready to read the texts with her. But that is diabolical that Jax is like sending Brittany these crazy text messages and then texting Kristin at the exact same time, being like, loving it here, feeling so much better about myself, feeling really healthy, you're sick in the head. I do wonder if they're allowed to do cocaine at that particular mental health institution. Yeah, I do think he did choose that one

after his AI programmed phone call with Tom Sandoval, I do feel like that's all. What is that? You don't really stop anything you're doing wrong, you just kind of like trick, you know, just. Yeah, you just take some time away from the physical location, but you continue doing what you've been doing. I will say that moment where Jack's talked about

needing to get better, and it was sad. And like there was a moment where I felt just the tiniest amount of empathy for him. But it's heartbreaking, because you just know he doesn't mean it. I don't- I know. But he's not upset because of his choices.

He's upset because he's forced to have to go through this program. And so he's blaming everybody else. During that video, he kept throwing digs at Brittany, and it's just like, you're not doing the work, you're just upset that you have to be here. No, he is upset that he has to be there while they are filming.

He wants to be filming. He wants to be on the show. He wants to be in Santa Barbara, and he's pissed off that this had to go simultaneously as to filming the ballet. What was that insane thing that Janet said when she talked with Zach? I'm definitely the bigger person?

Oh yeah, she said, I will sit down with him because I am the bigger person or something. I don't know if that was that the exact quote. That's an insane thing to say. It's Janet. I did think it was really weird that Zach was like, hold on, Nia, Nia, I'm just about to get upset and I need Nia to hold my hand because I'm getting emotional.

I was like, what is happening? Why do they keep calling Nia in to be like the emotional support? I feel like she- Well, she's one of the few- Normal ones. You know why? Because she deals with three babies at once,

she can handle all of them drunk. Yeah. It's the same thing. I've never seen someone sit down on a couch as graceful as she did. She is like a pageant star. Did you know this? She like sat down and kind of like opened up her dress

all very flawlessly like a flower. It was quite nice. She's a dainty flower. I don't know if she said I'm the bigger person, but she definitely gave her credit for what she thought was being the bigger person, but she definitely gave her credit for what she thought was being the bigger person. And that's just such a weird thing to like acknowledge yourself.

Like if you have to point out that you're being the bigger person, are you though? And also like are you actually gonna listen to anything this person has to say? You're just sitting there proud of yourself. For showing up. Simply just showing up. And then Zach's like pissed off at Brittany

for telling her the horrible things that he said about her. He's like, why would you tell her that? She's like, cause they were bad. He's like, no, I know, but why would you tell her? She's like, well, I feel like maybe if y'all are gonna continue to hang out, she should know what you said behind her back. I don't know.

I was like, I'm not gonna lie. Janet made me laugh multiple times during this episode. I was like, don't make me like Janet, but like. Yeah, I'm married to you. I would've cheated on you too. I did like, if I was married to you, I'd cheat on you too. I was like, that was quick. But can we talk about how Jesse was speaking to Janet?

Yeah, I was insane, getting in her face. Yeah, like, don't prompt that. Oh my God. In front of Jason and Jason had nothing to say. And did nothing. Oh my God, that pissed me off. I was just like, are you really gonna let him speak like that? And then Jason goes to to see if Jesse's okay

after the emotional ball thing. And he was like, get the fuck out of here. And I was just like, oh my God, but you are wearing granny panties. I will say, I don't know if it's a Bravo thing, but the way, I mean, every Bravo show that has an ensemble cast of men, they look out for each other way more than they look out

for any of their women friends or spouses. It's- They can never be Nick. I just like, I wanna be on one of these shows so bad, just to be like, you guys are fucking losers. Yeah. Like the way you just like, you're just fucking like the bro code into your forties

is kind of fucking lame. It's just so pathetic. It's just like have a fucking backbone and you don't need to be one of the guys into your 30s, especially when they're wearing underwear like that. And talk. Can you talk about why Jax was like, listen, my wife and it was in sickness and in health

and I'm sick. It's like, I'm sure also in your vows, it was like, I don't know, maybe like not cheat on your wife, not call her horrible, horrible names, but like none of those matter, just like you're sick. You need help. So support me. I feel like Jax is manipulating his therapist in rehab.

Because every time he comes out of a therapy session is when he rage texts Brittany, and I'm sure he's like making his therapist feel bad for him and being like, yeah, she does suck. Then that's a terrible therapist, I'm sorry. Shouldn't be working at a mental facility. He's not that sophisticated, and you can see right through his bullshit.

I would put it the other way around. I would blame the therapist probably just taking the money and being like, you're right, you're right, you were sick, this doesn't help, you're sick. Whatever he did was fucked up. Also, just keeping in mind, this is a mental health facility that is allowing Jax Taylor to still make content

for a reality TV show. How serious can it be? That is nuts. Maybe his therapist is an undercover Bravo producer. That seems very likely to me. I have a hard time believing that a mental health facility worth its salt would allow any of its patients to continue

to film content for a toxic reality TV show. No, it's so fraudulent, it's crazy. I also feel like the performance at the healing ceremony between Jesse and Michelle was a little much for me. Jesse's like, I can't put anything in the circle because I'm too emotional right now. And then him being like, I'm grateful that I'm in this toxic situation,

but my daughter is not like, you know, she's still thriving. And then for him to immediately like throw it to Michelle. I know, Michelle you go next. Yeah, your turn. Do you wanna say anything about- Michelle's cold face is glorious. Like her non-emotional cold face

is one of the best I've ever seen. As an actress, I really give her a nod. I really give her a nod. I really give her a nod. Was the question, what are you most grateful for in life? Yeah, I was confused by the prompt because they all answered it differently. And then I was even more confused by Jessie's reaction to Michelle's answer because I was like,

why did that piss you off so much? No, why was Michelle's answer like, I'm grateful that we chose to just the day we decided to get pregnant was like, cause it was a gratitude ball. But it was, it was like airing out like something that you had with another person and then like a moment that you're grateful for with,

I believe. Cause Brittany was like, I'm grateful for my son. And I think the rules in the beginning was like, you weren't supposed to pass it to your spouse or to like, like somebody that you're in a relationship with. But I mean, they're technically not together. Michelle is no longer his spouse. True.

Yeah, but it's like, ah. Yeah. No, they're in the middle of a divorce. I wish she would have said something about her current boyfriend that she's grateful about though. To really just. I mean, it was kind of funny though, how Jessie was just like, if you're that happy,

you don't have to keep saying how happy you are. Then they cut to her in the car being like, I'm so happy. No. She also went on Watch What Happens Live. Then she's like, well, if Jesse's happy, then he needs to go be happy and leave me the fuck alone. It's like you're both saying the same thing to each other. Then Michelle went on Watch What Happens Live though, I don't know if you saw,

then she gave Andy a bottle of Aaron's honey and called Jesse crazy for his theories of, well, she went to Runyon and then he lives by Runyon and the honey company. And I was like, girl, that can't be. That one's a little. That was crazy. Yeah, her boyfriend owns the honey company. And remember last episode, Jessie was like,

the honey was in our cabinet. And then she would put makeup on to go to Runyon. And guess where this guy, I went on his Instagram and guess where this guy lives, by Runyon. I just feel like Jesse thinks that he's gonna garner a bunch of sympathy. Like let's assume that Michelle did everything that Jesse accuses her of.

I don't think a single Bravo fan gives a fuck. Yeah. Genuinely no. That's why I said I supported Janet when she's looking at him going, I'd cheat on you too, because you fucking suck. Yeah, it's just like he just thinks

that he's gonna g, it's just like, he just thinks that he's gonna garner sympathy by like, yeah, like you were a bad husband and not condoning that type of behavior, but it's just no one feels sorry for you because you come across like an emotionally abusive spouse. Like, I don't know if he is, you know, but that's the character he seems to be playing

on a reality TV show, one where he seems incredibly self-aware that he's being filmed. I don't know, the panties really make me question all of that, but what I will say is that he is like Mr. Crocodile Tears. He's like the epitome of white woman tears. Oh my God, yeah.

That's him all day long. Yeah. And even Michelle called him out with that, the first episode where they sit down together to talk about the schedule of Isabella going back and forth and he starts crying and she's like, don't do this. Don't start crying and you make me look cold and like you put on these tears and it was like read him his rights. And I will say, Jesse is the cast member on the value that I'm probably most interested in getting on the couch. And Jesse, if you are listening, if your team is listening,

I just want you to know, if you are willing to come on and have a conversation with us, we're gonna be there. And we're gonna be there for you. And we're gonna be there for you. And we're gonna be there for you. And we're gonna be there for you. And we're gonna be there for you. And we're gonna be there for you. And we're gonna be there the couch. And Jesse, if you are listening, if your team is listening, I just want you to know, if you are willing to come on and have a conversation with us, we will.

We'll wipe the slate clean. We will assume, and we'll go into that interview open to the possibility that you've had the worst edit in reality TV history, that you are a victim of the edit and I wanna clean the slate and start over knowing that I've never met you in person and then I wanna get to know you and judge from that moment forward.

And that's my promise to you, Jesse, is I just wanna get to know the real you outside of reality TV and see why you come across the way you do on this show. That's also what we do with all of our guests. I know, but I just wanna make that very clear with him. We haven't said it in a while, but we are judging the characters on TV.

We don't know any of these people personally, besides Kristen Doty, of course, and we do love her and we do- We don't know some of them, but- But a lot of them we don't. A lot of them we don't, and we realize that there's an edit and we realize that they're not in control of that edit

and we could be completely wrong about these people. The only thing we're not wrong about are those panties that Jesse was wearing. But no, I think that we can use the panties as maybe an indicator that he's not all of these things that we think. Like you are not really aware of what you're doing on television if you're wearing those panties.

Like maybe the panties is the turning point of having empathy for Jesse. Yes, maybe. Any like one of like a healthiest mind and body would know not to wear those panties. This is what I'm saying. So maybe this is the first string pull of the world having sympathy for this man. Well, Jesse, if you're out there, you have an open invite. We hope to have that opportunity to get to know you. We did get to know Abby and David from Love on the Spectrum. Okay, this excites me. No, they are the best.

I love them. They are the best. They're so sweet and we had a great interview, a lot of laughs. We learned a lot about them. We had Abby sing for us. You did. We did, we did. So they're up next.

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David, what's your favorite song? From which one? Any song. What song do you like to sing the most? StarCloverFly from The Lion King. My song I like to sing the most is Part of Your World from Little Mermaid. Oh, yeah.

I sing the original one and the new one. What's different? Halle Bailey's version, she goes a little higher and I got to go to that premiere. Oh wow. Cool. That's pretty cool. Two years ago I went to the premiere. I did not get to go.

That's pretty wild. Do you like the real life version or the animated version better? I think the animated version's more right for me. Well to me, I like both equally. I think I like them both, but about the same. Okay. We watched it like two years ago.

Yeah, we started showing our daughter the like original Disney movies, and it's been so fun to like relive them and watch them back again. I like, you remember all the songs like Abby was saying, it's crazy. Was the Beast really a prince? Yeah. What was his name, Adam? I think it was Adam. Was it Adam?

It was a great question, because honestly, I felt like they were a little hard on the Beast, because he was so young. Yeah, he was like 12. He was misunderstood. No, I think he was like in his late teens, early 20s. They said when he turned 18, was it 18 or 21? 21. 21.

But they said after some years had passed, so when he opened the door to the witch, he was probably 12. He had to be young. So when he was, he was just a little boy. You didn't know any better. And you never met his parents. And they turned him into a beast

because he was a snobby little kid. It seemed unfair. Yeah. Speaking of that, do you know anything about Shrek? I know less about Shrek than some of the other ones. I've seen- Shrek and Fiona, Princess Fiona turned into an ogre because she was cursed.

What did she do to deserve it? I don't know, because she fell in love with Shrek. Oh, see, that's not fair. Because the prince was allegedly rude. Shrek's sinkhole slammer. Tell them what that is. Dreamworks Waterpark is a water park. It's in the American Dream Mall in Newark, New Jersey.

Is that the biggest mall in the world or no? No, it's Mall America. It's close. It's close, right? Isn't it really big? Yeah, but the mall in Toronto is the biggest. Really? Is it now?

I've never been. Yeah, the next time I go to Toronto, the next time I want to go to the zoo, the aquarium, and see The Lion King show. All of it in Toronto? Yes, that's one, two, three things I want to do the next time I go to Toronto. Yeah, you're booked and busy in Toronto.

You have no time for nothing else. Well, Abby and David, welcome to the show. Thank you. We're so excited to have you. We're excited to have you. How do you feel about being here? I feel good. Me too.

Do you guys ever get nervous when you guys do these types of appearances? Or have you gotten pretty used to it? We've gotten pretty used to it. It's what she said. Do you have fun doing them? I do. Okay. What's your favorite part about just talking about you guys being on TV, your story?

What is your favorite thing to discuss when you... My favorite thing to discuss is what my life has been like. Okay. What has it been like? My life? I have a daily routine. I warm up my voice every day, I walk my dog, and I'm even on Zoom calls right now. And what is that like for you?

Zoom calls. Now, but you remember when you didn't know how to do a Zoom call? I didn't know how to do a Zoom call at first until now. Okay, and then what changed? I practiced my listening skills on Zoom calls. What was different about Zoom calls versus like talking, like we're talking right now?

It was during the pandemic. I had to do it on the computer, not in person. Did you like that experience better or did you find it more challenging to talk with people? Find it more challenging to do it in person because sometimes we get slow internet technical difficulties. Okay.

Yeah. Sometimes the Wi-Fi is a little slow. It allows for some lag. Do you enjoy doing this together with David? Is it, do you feel like you guys are helping each other out when you guys are talking and doing these interviews together? We are, we are. What's your favorite thing about how you guys help each other out?

Our favorite thing we do about when we help each other out we go over if we ever need a break Like David needs to go on his phone and do his everyday game and I need to go on my phone and do candy crush My everyday game is based on the Magic Kingdom of Disneyland And when you say everyday game, that means like there's something you just like to play every day Yes, and does that what like there's something you just like to play every day? Yes. And does that, what does that do for you, David? Like, how does that help you? How does it make you feel?

Yeah, how does it make you feel when you get to play that game? Makes me feel good when I play that game. It's fun, I bet. I call it Magic Kingdoms. Is that your favorite park at Disney? Yes. Why is that your favorite park? All the animals? All the animals?

All the animals, but that's Animal Kingdom. I've never been there before. You haven't? Yeah, I've been to Disneyland, but never at Disney World, but I will go there for the Animal Kingdom. Yeah. What's your favorite animal? Lion.

My favorite animal is a lioness. Did y'all know that about each other or was that something you learned very early on? I think. That'd be, when did you learn that? What was the very first time you learned that about David? When I first met him. First date.

Wow. Blind date. We've met each other at the Wildlife Learning Center since July 12th, 2021, which was four years ago. But speaking of four years, soon to be four years is when we're going to have our anniversary at the San Diego Zoo Safari Park, the Rorn Snore. Now, fun. Do y'all celebrate your anniversary every year?

Yes. You do. Okay. What do y'all do? Do y'all- Well, at first, at 2022, Abby suggested Hurricane Harbor. I used to go there during Tabooie Day Camp. Oh.

Right, you did. And then I was going to suggest Run Snore for our second anniversary in 2023, but then it got postponed. So that's why I suggested Cheesecake Factory as a backup's why I suggest the Cheesecake Factory is a backup. Oh, wow. Cheesecake Factory is a staple. Yes. I love Cheesecake Factory.

Yum. Yeah. So good. And our third anniversary, we go there, go to Cheesecake Factory again. Oh, so what do we do on our third year anniversary last year? In 2024? Oh, same as our second anniversary. Do we see something special?

What did y'all see? We saw- You know the answer. 30th anniversary of Lion King last year! Yeah, 30th anniversary, of course! 35th anniversary, of course! We just had our first wedding anniversary. You did?

Yeah, yesterday was- So when did you guys get married? April 27th, 2024. That's, yes, that was last year. Yeah. You know, it was that was last year. Yeah. You know, it was our first anniversary. So we weren't like sure what we should do or how to celebrate it.

You know, it's like, we were like, do we want to do something extravagant and big? Like go to the 30th anniversary of the Lion King? Yes. Or did we want to just like do something relaxing and normal and hang out with our daughter? Like, you know, it's like, did you, which anniversary was more fun for you? Going to the Cheesecake Factory

or the 30th anniversary of the Lion King? Both equally. I'd say both. Okay, see David, I thought equally. Oh, and is, do y'all feel like marriage is something that y'all eventually will get to? Well, I may not, well, we may not know when we're gonna get married,

but I do know a perfect place to get married. Where? Where I spend the night three times, but soon to be four times. The San Diego Zoo Safari Park. Wow! Yeah! That's what we're gonna do for our fourth year anniversary. Go to the Rorn Snore.

We might go back to Masai Mara for our honeymoon. That's the best! Yes! That's where we went for our Halloween vacation during season two. That is so cool that y'all went to Africa. I only appeared on episodes one, two, three, four, five, and seven, but never on six.

Never on seven. What was it about that six? The six one I didn't watch anyways because you weren't in it. What, six episode? The sixth episode of season two. Season two. Are you, do you remember, because you weren't in it. What? Sixth episode? Sixth episode of season two. Season two. Are you, do you remember, are you really good with dates?

You seem like you're really good with dates, dude. Yes, we are. And we're still together. You guys know dates of like movies and like when Lion King came out and right? You guys know that kind of thing? Yeah, 1994. Yeah. We go on fun dates like the aquarium, the zoo and theme parks like Disney and Universal. That's right, we go on fun dates like the aquarium the zoo and theme parks like Disney and Universal

Here we go bowling and we even go to the Griffith Park Observatory That's right. We do do y'all like Challenge each other like trivia kind of on dates of things like when was lady in the tramp first the first lady in the tramp out 1955 We I know that's correct because we watched it yesterday for the first time in a while with our daughter. I really think it holds up. It really, it's-

I have dogs at home. Yeah, when was Snow White made? 1937. Do you know them all? Yeah, that was two years before the Wizard of Oz came out three years before my dad was born. It's really amazing. When Abby was little, I remember she was like three and we were going to this doctor's office

and I'd pass the exit on the freeway. We'd been to that doctor's office only once before, and it was a year prior. And she pointed and she said exit. And then we were in the drugstore going back a year later. And the doctor who he saw one time was a year prior, and she pointed and she said, exit. And then we were in the drug store going back a year later and the doctor who we saw one time was a year later, we were in the drug store in the downstairs in the big building and she said, hello doctor, whatever her name was, hello doctor so-and-so.

And I was like, come on. Do you remember that doctor? No. Yeah, you did. What was the doctor's name? Angela something maybe? I don't know. Anyways, but she remembered the doctor. But at the time, man. At the time. It was a long name Angela something maybe I don't know anyways, but she remember that

I remember dr. Sacks and the my favorite doctor is Angelica for my keloids and every time I go to a VMD I go the Feels that's near there. Oh Vito's pizza. Yes What's your favorite food from From Vito's. Just in general. I like chicken tenders and french fries and cheese pizza and plain hamburgers and plain cheeseburger from In-N-Out. And I also like cookies that taste good to me. Yum. That sounds good.

Even cake that tastes good to me. And I like some of the candies that taste good to me too. You have a sweet tooth? Abby, what's your favorite food? And I like some of the candies that taste good to me too. You have a sweet tooth? Abby, what's your favorite food? Burgers and fries, but love. No, you know what? You should tell them what you've been trying recently. What have you tried? No octopus.

What? Octopus. I'd rather say I'd rather save an octopus instead of. I know. I know. I know. I have to tell you something. OK. Do they have I wonder if they have octopus at islands? I can get octopus. Oh islands restaurant. I hope they have octopus. I am NOT gonna eat a live an octopus I want it to live forever But what if it's part of my wildlife park my own dream wildlife park the biggest one

I want to get octopus somewhere. Okay, we gotta find It's all sometimes called calamari I rather get an octopus but only as a pet and a living animal at the same time What if I ate a whole entire octopus that would be? concerning David I rather I think I prefer an octopus as a living animal. But what if Abby ate a whole octopus? I think I prefer an octopus as a living animal. But what if Abby ate a whole octopus? Ugh, Abby, that's gross. I did eat octopus before.

Has he ever eaten anything or drank anything that you thought was gross? Milk? Well, think about it. I also ate snails too. I like Altadena milk. Altadena milk is good. It represents cows.

I kind of agree with you on milk. I have eaten some slimy foods like escargot, octopus. You're adventurous. What did you eat in Mexico? Cricket. What? So you're a pretty adventurous eater. I do eat some animals. Is there anything you won't try?

Spicy red hot chili peppers. I'm with you Abby. Remember what happened when you were younger? When I was little, my mom and mom went to a woman's house. Her son was on the spectrum. She had a son with autism. And she had these chili peppers on the wall. I picked one up, put it in my mouth,

and I ran around the house screaming my mouth was on fire. Oh my gosh. I'm gonna go to your time before that happens. Who should I give it to? Give it to Lava Girl so that's how she could gain her powers Yeah, so do you have a you don't like spicy foods at all now? Yeah, no, I wouldn't either I will never eat spicy food ever. Mm-hmm. That was quite an incident I bet like she was only like well, how are you three? Yeah, or something like that

Luckily the mom who was there had a son on the spectrum. So she was totally, and her son was older. So she guided me. She helped me understand. What did she give me? She like grabbed you. She put water, she got ice cubes, and then she got ice cream on a stick. So she could like put it.

She did all this stuff. And I just sat there going, thank God this mom gets it. No, yeah. Yeah. Abby, I'm curious, David too, what advantages do you feel like you have as a neurodivergent person that neuro-typical people might not have?

Like, do you think in ways that you have things like talents or skills that you're grateful for that a neuro-typical person doesn't have? I think in categories, I put good things with good things and bad things with bad things. And what do you have, David? I have synesthesia, and for instance,

I see numbers as colors. Oh, wow. And she may not see them, but she's learning it from me. And you know what, I play the old dial-up internet sound with a phone number, and David said the colors of the numbers. And how does that help you? There's the number two, and there's the number. And how does that help you?

There's number three. How do you see that? By balls. So the red ball is a number? Two. Two. And the yellow one is the number three. What number is green? Five.

Is that to you or is that for anyone else? Is that like, is that how you interpret it? And I hope that everyone will learn that. Okay. Yeah. You know that game Simon? Yeah, Simon Says. Okay, so watch him play Simon. He got a high score.

How many times, David? Like, you go 30 times? But he says it five, five, two, six, eight, and he has a numerical verbal pattern that goes with the colors. I get to three. I do one, and then I'm out. Yeah.

But it's really, you're so talented, David, with that. Oh. And tell me about your talents, Abby. I put all the good things together and all the bad things together. Like I put all the things I like go in one category and all the things I don't like go in another category. And how do you use that skill in life?

That's just how, that's just the way I am. Everyone is different. That's how you learn language. Yeah, but not the way I am. Everyone is different. That's how you learn language. Yeah. But not everyone thinks that way. Everyone is different. That's part of your autism, right? Yeah.

Everybody has different tastes, Abby. Likewise, my best friend, Mr. Fieldsmeyer told me. He did? Yes. What do you put in David's bucket that's bad? Ursula watching kid shows because of her, she acts like a child because of her behavior, because of the behavior. And Ariel watches, um, shows for teenagers and adults because she acts

more mature. Are there things that you, what, what do you worry about? I worry about things in life that if the world's gonna, Earth is gonna blow up. Do you spend a lot of time thinking about that? Abby, that's just your imagination. Right, but I'm worried that, do I worry too much? Yeah, like I told Alison, but it's not gonna happen for real. It's just your imagination. Right. Remember that. That seems like not much.

I don't think you worry too much, Abby, but one of your talents is your musical ability. Yeah, I could sing before I could talk. Really? Wow. I started music therapy at three years old. And then that helped you communicate better. Yes. Is that why you're such a fan of Disney?

I don't like the Disney villains. I like the Disney princesses more because they're more girly-ish and the villains are more boyish. Does Disney help you relate to neurotypical people better? Yeah, I used to identify with Ariel because Ariel felt isolated alone. Just like how I wanted to be a typical kid,

Ariel wanted to be a human. When she became human, she couldn't talk. That's how I felt. That's because Ursula took Ariel's voice. Yeah. Was there anyone in Disney that you related to, David? No, but I do get to, I remember going to the Walt Disney Animation Studios since last year on April Fool's Day.

Wow. And I do remember going to Africa, Kenya, Masai Mara. For a Halloween vacation. What were y'all for Halloween? I think I had tiger ears. I have lion and elephant ears. Yep, I went, also went to different parts of Africa during Christmas vacation of 2015. Zimbabwe, Johannesburg, Zimbabwe, Botswana. You travel a lot. Yes. Wow. You like to travel?

Have you been to Italy before? No. I thought you guys were gonna go there. Wasn't that on the plan? Yeah. Well, do you wanna go to India and see the tigers? Think so. Yeah, I will see the tigers.

How do you choose? How do you choose which one to go onto next? Well, how I choose to go with John? I don't know. Who do you think wears the pants in the relationship? Like who's more in charge? Like who gets the, like- I'm not sure, probably I am.

Would you agree with that, David? Yes. I think so. That's a smart answer, yeah. Play it safe. Y'all have been on this show for three years now, three seasons. How do you feel like your lives have changed

since being famous and on Netflix? It feels good to be famous and on Netflix. Yeah. It feels really good. And we had fans come up to us and I got used to it. Does that make, like when people come up and they, do they ask for photos with y'all? Yes.

Does that make you nervous or does that make you excited? It makes me excited. Yeah. Why does that make you feel good, Abby? What part of it feels good? With my fans, I used to feel isolated and alone as a kid. Okay. And I always wanted to be a grown woman

because I knew this would happen. That's very cool. Just didn't know how. But remember what you said, how do the fans make you feel? Accepted, like Cinderella at the ball. You feel seen, right? I feel seen and accepted.

Do you feel like now as an adult woman, do you feel like your dreams have come true? Oh yes, and I feel more, I can do a lot more things. But not everything, no one can do everything. That's true. What dreams do you have that haven't come true yet? Going to Italy.

Going to outer space. I don't think outer space is my thing. What do you think of Katy Perry going to outer space? Did she float? I actually don't know if they floated. I don't know if she did. She was only up there for 11 minutes. It was very quick.

I think they got the zero gravity. Okay. I wanna get, am I gonna float if I'm in space? Yeah. You could do that, they have the zero gravity. I did it once. Oh yeah. You could do that.

I wanna try it. You should do that. You don't even have to go to outer space. You just, actually you just go on a plane. I bet we can make this happen for you. That would be so cool. Am I really gonna go to space? Well, no, no, no, no.

So what this is, Abby, if I can explain. But are you gonna see the atmosphere? No, you float though. So it's like a trick almost in a way. So there's this- Have you been to space before? I have not, no. I really wanna go to space like what Katy Perry did.

But second best, would you want to be able to float for a few seconds? Like what Katy Perry did? I don't even know if she did float, but she did go to space. I would love to go to space. Cause there's this plane, it's called Zero Gravity and it goes up and down and up and down and when it, I believe when it goes down, it allows people on the plane to float like they're in space. I actually have a picture of it, but I'm kissing another girl

and my wife would get really mad at me if I showed it to you. Oh my gosh. I need to be an astronaut flying space. But maybe we can get you guys to float. Like feel like feel. Oh David doesn't want to. But I'm scared to go in space

because this is my first time. Well yeah, you've broken a lot of barriers. What about water parks? What about your slides you go down? That too. Were you afraid of all that? And then now you're not? I like water sites, but the ones that comes with heights, not so much. And then what do you do, Abby? Go to water parks, because I used to be afraid of the water and I felt very jealous.

But how big is the one you like? Very tall. It's like 14 stories high. How did you get over that fear? But it was scary at first and I was like, but how did you do it? Did you just talk yourself into it? Did you have encouragement? How did you how did you face that fear? By doing it more times. And you know what? My brother Ben did it and he was terrified. Really? Ben was pretty scared. Abby's friend Rachel Biles doesn't want to go on the big slides because of her seizures. So that's why I have to agree with her because of the heights.

Because her mom said she had seizures. Because her mother said. Abby, how does it feel to overcome a fear? A blessing in disguise. I want to overcome fears. Why do you say a blessing in disguise? Because I thought I would probably drown if I couldn't swim, but I figured it out my own. What's your favorite?

Yeah, tell me about swimming. I used to be afraid of the water because of my autism, and I got very, very jealous of other girls. Like, I had a girl living next door, and I was very jealous of her swimming. So I would call her a mermaid. And then what happened? At 17, I learned how to swim.

How? Now, Jenny Farrell taught me. Oh, thank you, Jenny. What's your favorite, I learned how to swim. How? Now, Jenny Farrell taught me. Oh, thank you, Jenny. What's your favorite, like swim stroke? Do you like the freestyle or do you swim in your back? I go backwards too. Okay. Wow. David goes like this.

Do you feel like- Did you ever do this at camp, Camp Ramah? I think so. He used to do it at Camp Ramah. Yeah, I remember going on the diving board at Camp Ramah. Oh, wow. Do you feel like people look at you now and think, oh my gosh, she's a mermaid? Yes, that makes it. I've always wanted to be a mermaid.

How cool. That's why I've always loved mermaids because I really wanted to be one and besides they couldn't talk and that's how I felt. Both of those reasons. Do you think it's both reasons? You tell me. I think it's both reasons? You tell me. I think it's both. Do you have any advice that you would give

maybe someone who's listening to this or watching this that maybe doesn't feel seen or doesn't feel like they can find their own voice? Do you have any advice that you'd give them? Remember to be yourself. Be your true self and not compare yourself to anyone else. What is the thing about you that you were afraid to tell people about yourself or show people about yourself that you've got more confident now?

I learned to have conversations. I have more language as a grown woman and as a little kid, life was the hardest. Like life when I was two and three, life was the hardest. Like life, when I was two and three, life was the hardest. Why was that? Because I had echolalia and I put everything in my mouth, including rabbit poop. My daughter does that too. That is true. I put rabbit poop in my mouth.

Yeah, Abby. You kissed her. When the preschool calls and tells you that. Yeah. You better wash your mouth with that. We cannot guarantee your safety. She's putting everything in her mouth. Well, look how far you've come.

You talk about that and right. My mom's older brother, um, uncle David had, had sensory integration dysfunction. He put sawdust in his mouth. That's something that people have. It's the sensory issues. But you can't, you've come so far, right, Abby? And what do you say about your language? What's our saying that we say?

The more you practice, the easier it gets. And you've never given up how many years of speech? 22 years. Wow. What was that like as a child to wanna talk, but not be able to talk? I would physically copy typical kids. I would copy them, girls especially.

Like whenever a typical kid would sneeze, I would physically copy typical kids. I would copy them, girls especially. Like whenever a typical kid would sneeze, I would sneeze. I also would call typical girls like Ariel or Lava Girl. And what did you say? You said you felt like my- My brain wouldn't do what I was telling it to do. That must've been really frustrating. And when that happens, I shall turn the smart brain on. Oh, smart.

Tis. And also one of my songs I wrote is called Girl Inside. It's about how autism feels like there's a person living inside me and she was afraid of the water, not me. Can you sing it? It's not me, I'm aware of you now. It's not me, I'll close my eyes and breathe. It's not me, every exhale I know you'll leave.

We might fight but you're all of me. We must love each other to be free. That's beautiful. That's my original song. That's beautiful. It's an original. We write this music. We have a co-writer, different helpers, but she came to me and she said, autism feels

like there's a girl living inside me. And as a parent, it made me go, is you're always going, what's it like for her? This is a completely different time space continuum. I gotta get in it so I can help her and understand. And that, when she came to me, we really thought about that. And I thought for kids. And I used to also say that mermaids eat ice cream

when I was growing up. I bet they wanted to. Is that a category? Yeah, also. And also people who don't know how to swim are on a gluten-free diet. That's another category. Because when I didn't know how to swim, I was on that diet. Right, right.

What was the first thing that you said? Remember? When? Your first word. Your first word. I don't remember. Yes, you do. Mama?

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That's a very good question, I don't know. You don't know, okay. David, can you think of anything? What are you doing there, Abby? I don't know. I like to, do you like to fidget? I fidget all the time. I'm fidgeting.

I love to fidget. That's why that number two red ball is there. Yeah, I have to squeeze it. He has to squeeze it. He fidgets. Abby, you need a squeezy ball. There's one right there, look. Yeah.

You wanna squeeze it there. Yes. There you go. It keeps me calm. Right. Yes. Any fidgets helps keep everyone calm when they're frustrated.

Christine, what was that like for you when she first started talking? The capacity of people with autism is so different. And so I always think of Abby on manual, I have a son, he's only 19 months younger. And so I thought I was doing something wrong. Like I must be at fault. I think all parents feel that

when there's something different. And then when my son came around, I was like, oh, this is why people have kids because I didn't do anything. He just was on autopilot and she was on manual. Since Ben has ADHD. And everything had to be taught. So there were miracles and there have been miracles.

You guys, like I can't even, she was nine and she learned how to, you learned how to tie your shoe. Remember how long it took for us with the bilateral coordination of that? Nine years. Cried my eyes out. Took two years of like constant daily thing. By the way mom.

Cried and I also cried when she sang at the Greek theater on Saturday night in front of 6,000 people. So they're all like miracles. I wonder if since Ben has ADHD, should he join Epic? Well, that's a whole different topic, Ebs. I'm sorry. What's Epic? Epic is a theater program for neurodivergent people.

And I have a big cabaret on the 30th and two days have the big cabaret. Do you get nervous to sing in front of all those people? No, not really. You don't? Wow. I get excited. You're so brave. You can tell, you can tell you're very confident and very good at it. And that's very cool.

Thanks. What about Saturday night? What you just did? Saturday night, I sang an original song at the Greek theater. Wow. You know how like important that is? That Greek theater is very famous.

Like it's- It is? It's iconic. They do not let most people do that. They don't? how important that is, that Greek theater is very famous. Like it's- It is? It's iconic. They do not let most people do that. They don't? No, they would never let me do that. Who else sang on stage with you at a different part of the show?

Billy Idol. Really? Yes, and do you know who closed the show? No. Neil Young. Wow. Just saying. That's very big deal.

Wow, that's a really big deal. David, how did that feel for you to like be able to support Abby in that way when she's doing something so big? I supported her by watching her sing. Did you stand, did you give her a standing ovation and start clapping and standing when she finished? Yes.

It's an ovation. When everyone stands up and everyone's clapping. 6,000 people is a lot of people. It's crazy. It's a lot of people. Yeah. I can't even believe it because we started music therapy, like she said, she could sing before you could talk.

And you said, what did you say about music? You said, when I'm singing, my autism goes away and I feel more like an average person. And then what happens? Comes back once I'm done. You want to sing some more? I should rest my voice, but. Okay. Any more questions? David, what's your favorite thing about Abby?

She's as sweet as all of my favorite desserts. I love her. I love her personality. She's funny and smart and sweet and lovely and beautiful all at the same time. Wow. Abby, what's your favorite thing about David? My favorite thing about David is that he's very kind and patient with me. He makes my stuffed animals talk and he covers my ears

when there's a certain noise I don't like. Do you know what noises she doesn't like? Babies crying. And I told her to use her noise-canceling headphones when that happens. And I help her keep a distance from that. That way she'll never hear such a thing at all. Yeah. Christine, I have a question for you.

You know, we live in a time right now where there's just been a lot more awareness about autism. And I think as a result, now you've seen a lot more diagnoses about autism. Autism in general has even become politicized and things like that. As someone who's dedicated her whole life to obviously raising your daughter, what are your thoughts on the heightened awareness and what seems to be self-diagnosing going online

and things like that? I've even gone to the NeuroDivergent website and I've taken some of those tests and it seems like I have certain things with my brain that seem to like, I could diagnose myself. Do you see that as heightened awareness and like a good thing overall,

or do you have like a different opinion about that topic? You know, I come from 26 years of different, and it was severe. The preschool called and said your kid can't come here anymore, and I'm like, you're wrong. Everything's fine. So I came in the opposite way. Look, I've learned so much about this, and there's definitely been an expansion of the diagnosis, and that's a good thing.

If you're asking questions about your neurology, something probably is going on. My brother had sensory issues, undiagnosed his whole life, because even today, you have to be diagnosed autistic to really get any help for sensory processing disorder. It's not like really its own thing. We can't get it and then get services or help. You see what I'm saying? So the umbrella has expanded, and that's great. Nobody should suffer.

I currently mentor a kid with severe ADHD. We were talking, I mean, five hours a week. I just did it because he's a friend's son and he's really struggling. 27 and we're diagnosing his neurology and he's ADHD but it's so severe I can see the impact in his life and it's so sad there's not services for people that don't show external symptoms. It's internalized. That's a whole population That population does not cross over with this population. This is different This is like massive interventions diagnosis at young

Countless thousands and thousands of hours that I've spent in therapy rooms talking with different things and she went to an autism school She's still in speech. I'm still learning like all that sort of stuff So a lot of people have low support needs and she went to an autism school, she's still in speech, I'm still learning, like all that sort of stuff. So a lot of people who have low support needs, these are the people with internalized struggles, will say, we don't need to have categories of autism, it's just autism. And I would say the problem with that is

then how do you create a treatment plan to help someone? How do you do that? There's so many young parents that reach out to me and say, what do I do, da da da? And I have to say, are they talking, are they in school, are they engaging, are they learning, are they engaged? Because Abby, when you were young, she did not engage in the world.

She was completely isolated, and we had to do certain therapies to bring her out. But ours was obvious. So how do you help people and the profoundly autistic community? I'll tell you what, I sat in a support group when she was little and adorable and sweet and isolated, and I heard a mom cry over the fact that she had to choose putting her 13-year-old son in

a facility forever because she couldn't handle him anymore because it was that profound autism. And I'll never forget sitting there watching the tears of her and her husband having decided to do this. And I felt like this was a parent support group when you were young. And I was so moved by that woman. I still remember her face. I still remember her sitting in the young. And I was so moved by that woman. I still remember her face. I still remember her sitting in the chair. And I thought, I don't have that. I'll never know what that's like. And so to honor everybody,

I think we need better language to help people so that we can create supports for the internalized autism, the communication disorder autism, the profound autism. Even nonverbal autism. That could be part of profound autism. Those parents have a struggle. What does nonverbal mean? Well, some people are non-speaking

and some people are nonverbal. What do you mean by internal autism? Well, internalized autism or neurodivergency, we could use the word Asperger's up till 2013 and then a bunch of psychiatrists got together. And I would come home and say, I have Asperger's. You used to wanna say I have Asperger's. Why? Because you knew that in general, people that have a neurodivergent

condition or Asperger's didn't have massive speech delays. Usually. How come I didn't say I have no speech delay? Well, you were angry because there was an Asperger's class at her school and those kids had a slightly different treatment plan. They were educated differently. I used to say, I wish I was in, I had Asperger's and I wish I had brown eyes. That's all kind of jealousy and sadness, right? Yeah, because you know why I want to brown eyes? Because they're the most common eye color. You wanted to feel accepted.

You wanted to fit in. But then in 2013, think about she's 15 years old. We had friends that were diagnosed with Asperger's and all of a sudden we couldn't say it anymore. But they had skills she only dreamed of having. So you see, that's why it's confusing for us. We want to respect everyone. We want to love everyone. I'm trying to create HR policy in companies to address the needs of neurodivergent employees. Like have a manual. If your colleague is neurodivergent, they need a sensory break. They might be amped

up. If the fire alarm goes off, they're going to need 20 minutes to reacclimate because that noise is going to startle them and dysregulate their nervous system. Like, but that doesn't necessarily exist in a lot of companies. So I'm trying to, that's not my population, but we have a lot of friends that are in that population, you know? And then I have people I follow who have the profound autism and like tell you, those moms are my heroes. I'm nothing

compared to that mom because they're like really dealing with some life-changing circumstances. So there's good in it. I just hope the language gets better and that people can come together in love instead of the wildfires of TikTok, which is not pretty. I try not to get... Or productive. Oh boy. It's not pretty, but I will tell you, I do it for not pretty. I try not to get, oh boy, it's not pretty. But I will tell you, I do it for the parents. I get messages from around the world. Look, California's a generous state.

We have a lot of resources. Not everyone has access to that. And so I try to just share what I've learned and what I've done to help other people. That's it. Abby, what do you hope being on the show teaches people? Um, that there are many different levels of autism. The kind of autism I have is a communication disorder,

which means I had a speech delay and I'm sure people, there are some people with autism who have no speech delay, perfect language. That's what I've always wanted. But now as an adult, I feel more like Asperger's more as a grown up. Well, I felt more like Asperger's, more as a grown-up. Well, I felt more, Asperger's more like a teen, but more typical as an adult, to me in my case. And you're saying that because you felt like you could have conversations with people in ways that you've put them before.

Yes, but like when I was a teen, life wasn't easy or hard. It was medium. It was medium, was it in the middle? What do you think? I think it was in the middle. And how is life for you today? Easiest. When I was a kid, life was medium. It was medium. Was it in the middle? What do you think? I think it was in the middle. And how is life for you today? Easiest. When I was a kid, life was hard.

It was. What's the thing that frustrates you the most about neuro-typical people? Like whenever, I don't know, because they have better language. And I used to call typical girls mermaids because mermaids felt isolated and alone. What do you feel when they're having conversations?

Sadly, like when Ben and Mary are having a conversation. How do you feel? Left out. Because why? Because I feel, because it feels like I'm in my own world in La La Land. So like, yeah, like your mom said, that's more like envy, but do people ever do anything

that just kind of makes you mad, or like that you think is stupid? I don't know, like if I see Mary taking care of herself, I pretend to take care of herself. Okay. That's kind of like still a self-awareness of not being able to facilitate what your brain is telling you to do.

And that's been always a thing for us. It's like literally a neurological disconnect. And some days you're a rock star and like it's insane. But it's like that movie Inside Out when anxiety took over joy. Have you seen Inside Out too? No. I saw it three times.

Sierra has. I'm a big Disney fan. I'm with you there. Yeah. Do you love your blue eyes now? Yes, they are a blessing in disguise, but if they're brown and blue mixed together, I call them hazel eyes.

Like the Kelly Clarkson song. Yeah. Just like the Kelly Clarkson song. Our daughter has blue eyes and we love them. I have brown eyes and honestly, I never liked them. You have brown eyes and you have brown eyes and your daughter has blue eyes. I have brown eyes too.

Our moms have blue eyes. And Abby's brother was born and he did not have blue eyes. I was like, wrong baby. Take him away. And also, can I tell her about the gesture from childhood and explain it? If you want to, if they're interested. When I was little, when I was a kid. Now this was because you couldn't get words out. Yeah.

So instead of actually having words, I became up with some amazing gestures instead. Show us. Okay. This is what it looks like. When she was mad, that's people. amazing gestures instead. Show us. This is what it looks like. Snake. When she was mad, that's people. That's what you would do when you were mad. You'd have to stick out your tongue.

You'd have to stick out your tongue. Yes. So when you're mad, okay, what about happy? This is a snake. And also, I shouldn't do the crazy. When you don't like people. Doop. What was that one?

You don't like when you're flicking them away? You know how people do the squishy head thing? Oh yeah. You know how people don't like that? That's when I'm like, out of the blue, she just was like mad at someone and she just looked at them and kind of eyed them. Starts squishing their head.

And then she goes like, doop! Doop! Just doop! And I was like, that's brilliant. Abby, when you do this, when was the last time you did this? Do you remember why? Probably a baby crying, I went, doop!

Is there a feeling you have a harder time understanding than others? There's many different emotions. I like that movie Inside Out. That's been a tremendous help for you. Why don't you talk about that? Inside Out, and Inside Out 2, anxiety took over joy. Okay, what did that mean to you? And Riley says, I'm a good person,

and Riley says, I'm not good enough. And we see all of Riley's memories of from when she was younger. There were these new emotions. She had to put the new emotions away. She had to push them away. Like what emotions did she have to push away? Anxiety, envy, embarrassment, and ennui.

And then what emotions did she bring in? Joy, that's the new one. Sadness, anger, disgust, and fear. Those are the main characters. He really learned a lot from that movie. I'd say the hardest thing for this kind of autism is understanding emotions, their feelings, and then putting words to those feelings.

Abby's a gestalt language learner, which I found out on TikTok. At first, I thought it was some, like, fake thing, and then I really started looking at it. It's been around for a couple decades, but it's not incorporated in the fabric of speech, but it's learning language through lived experience So understanding that if something happens like a dog barks and you get startled, you know that feeling of like, that's not a great feeling That's a meat. Yeah, I got startled. I Hear a dog barking

But you just didn't like it, but you you would say, instead of saying, I'm startled, you'd say the dog's barking. Whenever she felt startled. I also would call it the dog. I'd call it Nuzzle. Yeah, because you'd be mad at the dog. But it's really the feeling of startled. I call the dog barking Nuzzle and I call a cat hissing at me, Sizzle. Who are they from?

That's from the show. The Puzzle Place. But they're puppets. Every time I watch The Puzzle Place, same goes for Barney and friends, and they deserve to go to Walt Disney World for the entire summer. Speaking of Disney World, if I go there, I wanna do the Animal Kingdom.

We gotta get you to the zoo immediately. Yeah. Who would Leon say as an animal noise? Roar like a lion. We took our daughter River to the zoo not too long ago It was just like a regular zoo, but she got to pet a kangaroo Oh, yeah from Australia. Yeah, is there like a dream animal besides the lion to see in person? there is an elephant and the hippo the the rhino, the crocodile, the cheetah, the leopard,

the hyena, the, uh, hippo flow, the wildebeest, the gazelle, the zebra, the giraffe, all of them, even the hornbill, the meerkat, the warthog, and the mandrill. Wow. That's a lot of animals. You know what? Every time I hear a dog bark, I'm going to have to tell the dog, I'm calling Corella DeVille. Come and get you. Oh, that's a visual memory reference.

Yeah. And speaking of Corella DeVille, Mary, my cousin was dressed up as Corella DeVille one year on Halloween during COVID. Wow. What'd you think about that? It was just her costume. Okay. Yeah.

That was the day I go to the San Diego Zoo to get a new membership pass with Aubrey. You remember the day? Yes. What was the day? Since 2020. October 31st, 2020. Would you ever wanna work at a zoo or do you just wanna open up your own animal?

I might open up my own wildlife sanctuary. It's gonna be the world's biggest zoo on earth. Wow. Comes with the aquarium. Wow. Remember the zoo we just went to earth. Comes with the aquarium. Wow. Remember the zoo we just went to? That was kind of cool. Private zoo, remember what it was called?

Abby, remember the zoo? More park zoo. And guess what? I have to tell you something. I know it's gonna be a little inappropriate. Well, then probably. I know what. I saw the lion's testicles.

What? I saw the lion's penis. That makes them the man. So that's what makes them a male. And speaking of that word, I saw the lion's penis. That makes dumb women. The lion's dumb women. And speaking of that word, there's this funny scene in the Simpsons movie where Bart Simpson was skateboarding naked and there was this restaurant, this guy was eating french fries and he says, boys, before we eat, don't forget to thank the Lord for this Bountiful penis! Amen! Do you think dirty jokes are more funny than non-dirty jokes?

Dirty jokes are pretty funny. Why are they funny? Because it's like, what is that feeling you're feeling when you're telling a dirty joke? Y'all are silly. Y'all like why first you can't I used to have He I first saw him when I was a little I was I was born, during the time I was born. The cat? Yes. He's like a goofiest brother to me. I mean, his hair looked like a lion. Oh, you got him cut like that?

What was his name? Baby Oliver. What would you say if I saw a white, there was a white Persian cat in my backyard? This is where I would be like, Hi, baby, how are you? And what would you say during, when I'm walking my dog and there's a King Charles Spaniel? I-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E- Wait Abby, what's your favorite voice that David does for your stuffed animals? I love you. I love you. I love you. You do it Well, how does Romeo laugh you know now he's gonna make me say that

You're the one who's kissing his belly That's why he was laughing now. He's gonna make me say that no That's why he was laughing. Now he's gonna make me say that now. I will. It's cause Romeo's so cute. I will. Thanks for the interview. Thank you so much for the interview.

Thank you very much. It was so great to get to know you guys. Thank you guys so much for coming. We hope to see you soon. Thank you, Abby and David. So much fun. Well, aren't they the sweetest? They're so sweet.

I love them and I'm so glad that her mom came. She seems just like such a wonderful woman. What I took from that show, and I would appreciate so much about the entire cast of Love on the Spectrum, they're such a great example of how we should operate in our interpersonal relationships because they really seem happy.

Also the fact that Abby was nonverbal for so much of her life and now she's singing in front of massive crowds and on national television is just so magical and I'm so happy for her and love both of them. Next up we have the host of the new hit show on Netflix, Battle Camp. We recently had Georgia Hossarati

on one of the stars of Battle Camp. Taylor, I've been a fan of his for a while now. He has a hitch podcast as well, Bustin' With The Boys. He's a former NFL superstar, very good at his craft back in the day, also incredibly funny. It was great getting to know him. He tells a very heartwarming story about how he met his wife.

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Taylor, welcome to the show. Hey, happy to be here guys. Electrostatic, Nashville, Tennessee. Yes, here we go. We have fantastic stuff. I love the backstory we're getting and everything. Yeah, it's that. I'm glad to be here.

I don't know if you remember, I hit you up a couple years back and I was like, when I first started the show and I was talking to my friend, Rachel Lindsay, and I was like, I I first started the show, and I was talking about my friend Rachel Lindsay, and I was like, I was always looking for like, random people who I thought were funny, good on camera, and watch a little reality TV. And for whatever reason, she's like,

you gotta look up this guy named Taylor, he used to play for the Titans. And then I hit you up, and you kindly wrote back, and then like, we just never reconnected. But it's good to find, I felt like full circle. That sounds like a textbook me situation. It's so nice that you're finally interested in us Yeah, this is the time. This is the time to finally do it

I honestly like I literally was talking to somebody at bussing at the shop earlier and they're like, yeah I texted you about this but you never texted back. I am a I'm a standard no text back I'll get into middle of a conversation like an ADD guy Oh, will you just dive in and then all of a sudden have you always been like that or did like having kids make it worse? Cause I feel like I've been awful since having a baby. I'll be like, Oh, read that. And then she does something and I never look at it again. I probably need to evaluate a little bit more because I definitely like,

I don't think I'm very forgetful sometimes. And then my wife will just remind me of all these other things I said I was going to do or didn't do or like was in the middle of a sentence and just walked away. And then I play like the CTE game in my head, like you did take a lot of hints, like it could be something you never know. So maybe it's time to do a little look in the mirror, a little reevaluation of how I handle myself

from a conversation standpoint. How many years you play for? Played for nine, but nine sounds terrible. Like I really, cause in 10 sounds like, 10 sounds like a real thing. So I think one of my new year's resolutions was to say that, to start lying to people's faces and say 10. And I did that one time and I felt terrible.

I was like, hey, listen, it was nine. You sound like a guy like, I don't know about his age on a dating app. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And so yeah, nine, same team in Nashville. And it's been, it was awesome, dude. Like I have- Same team, that's rare in the NFL.

Yeah, I was very lucky to be a part of like a culture like Tennessee, because we were just terrible. We were like two and 14 my first year, three and 13 the next year. And I remember calling a guy named Michael Roos who played left tackle before me. And I'm like, dude, how did you do this for 10 years? Because he was a 10 year guy.

And he's like, if you just win, it gets a whole lot better. And then we started rattling off nine and seven, started going to playoffs, went to the AFC Championship one year. So it was really cool to be a part of something like Nashville where when your team is good, the rallying is just unbelievable. It is awesome.

It's awesome to be a part of. And then like, how did you transition? Like you have Bustin' with the Boys, a very popular podcast. Obviously you guys talk a lot about football, but I feel like you guys kind of get into like, just kind of life and outside. But like, you seem to have like a natural knack and obviously you're hosting Battle lot about football, but I feel like you guys kinda get into like, just kinda life and outside, but like, you seem to have like a natural knack,

and obviously you're hosting Battle Camp for Netflix, but like, you seem to have like a natural knack for entertainment. Did you, you know, a lot of like trajectory for like football players who have that skillset that you have, they end up like covering football, working for ESPN, or working for one of the networks and things like that.

How did you end up doing what you're doing where you find yourself hosting a reality TV show like Battlecam? Yeah, that is, so that's a lot. That's a big question. You're sorry. Because there's so much there to unpack. Dude, so the way that, first off, the way Buston started was just Will Compton and I, like Will was on the team formerly known as the Redskins. And then they became the commanders, obviously. He went from there in 2018, signed with the Titans. And then our love over like Joe Rogan, the fighter and the commanders, obviously. He went from there in 2018, signed with the Titans. And then our love over Joe Rogan, the fighter and the kid, a bunch of podcasts, that was just like, we had a little

breakfast club. Basically, you sit before practice, you bitch about how hard the practice is going to be. You laugh about how horrible your life is, even though you're playing in the NFL. Then you go do it. Well, that was our little camaraderie. And then at the end of the year, we're playing the Colts for a winning get in game. And we get donkey stomped by the Colts. Like 31-3, it was over. And then we got a little banged up, go to a Chinese buffet restaurant and he's like, I want to start a podcast, but I feel more comfortable if you do it with me. And at the time it was, there was no active NFL players or active athletes really doing

a podcast at all. So it was very like new, uncharted territory. But you know, the state I was in and, and will be my boy. And I just signed a contract that gave me some sort of stability in Nashville for the foreseeable future. It was, it was kind of became an easy choice. So we started it up and, you know, that kind of goes into the entertainment thing where I love, I've always loved the idea of entertainment. And I thought it was only like simply like acting or music. And I don't, I know a lot of music. I know a lot of like lyrics of songs, but your boy can't really see that.

I do a decent kit more, but other than that, it's kind of like out the window. And the whole acting thing I was like interested in for a little bit, but then it just seemed like it's not exactly, it doesn't like do it for me the way I really thought it would kind of do it for me. And so- Did you try it at all and kind of get a sense of that?

I've done a couple of things. I'm doing something this summer that I can't, I don't know if I can really talk about. There's a guy who's in a band. He is also a writer with his brother and they wrote a script. It got greenlit. It's getting produced the whole thing. And so he's got a guy who's doing, you know, a big actor who's going to play the main and he's like, I really want you to play this part in this country western movie.

So I'm like gonna go up and I'm gonna do it for him. And I've done a couple of things. I was on like, have you seen The League? So The League of season six, episode one. Not a big deal, IMDB, check me out. 34 minutes and 27 seconds. Absolutely. But he's seen it, he's seen it,

it's right in there. But I loved the idea of it more than I think I loved it. And so when this podcast thing came up, at first I was like, I'm doing it, but I'm very insecure about what are people gonna think, what are people gonna do? And then you start to realize that basically whatever I say on this podcast right now,

in 24 hours, it's not gonna matter anymore. Like it's just getting the whole media cycle. So you feel a little more loose, a little more comfortable about being yourself. Maybe trying to, if you have a joke in your head, working out that joke, finding different things and then joining Barstool, kind of opened up that world in a crazy way to where it's like, you see the way Dave Portnoy and Dan Katz and KFC, the way they operate. So that was awesome. But when it came to entertainment after football, I took some to entertainment after football, I took some meetings with MSNBC, ESPN, a couple of things about maybe doing some broadcasting work, but the thought of just being a football guy forever,

when there's so many different lives to live, there's so many different things to do, it felt more restricting to me than anything else. I love football. I love the X's and O's. I love sitting there and talking to guys about the process of the game. That is awesome. But it's like, I don't want it to be everything that I do. And I want to like dive into being a dad. Like Will, he has two little girls.

I have two little girls. Like it's just, there's so many different lives to live. So for me, it's like, how do I somehow be the best dad possible while doing the most things possible as well to kind of figure out what this whole life thing's all about. How do you balance all of that?

It's an incredible amount of intention. I can't say that I've been good at it my whole life. I think I've gotten a whole lot better in recent years. But like with football, there's a level of like, I don't know if it's like narcissism is the right word, but like definitely main character syndrome that takes place when you play football or play a sport at a high level. Little pick me. Yeah. So it's always like, it's about me. It's

about my recovery. It's about my nutrition is about my sleep. And I need to perform at the best I can. Cause when I go play on Sundays, it's like, not only am I protecting somebody that's worth a lot of money, I'm getting paid a lot of money. And there's the battle of egos. There's all these different things. These fans watching that Twitter search bar haunts you. It's just haunting you and staring at you. You don't want to let down people. You want to prove the haters wrong. And so you have like this vicious cycle of,

it's really all about me all the time. And it takes a very strong, very strong woman to kind of pull you out of that. And my wife, Taylan, we met and in five weeks we were engaged, married in two months. Oh shit. It was very, very quick. It was after my second season in the league.

How did you meet? We've been married for nine years. What's that? How'd you meet? Dude, it's a crazy story. She was in Leapers Fork, Tennessee and she was, I'll give a, I won't take your entire time with the story, but I'll give you the spark notes. My audience loves shit like this.

Yeah. So my wife, she was in Leapers For Fort, Tennessee, and she ended up being friends with my mom first. And anytime I would come around, because I was dating somebody else, anytime I would come around, my mom would tell, uh, Taylor and my wife, like, don't, don't speak to Taylor because if you do, he's going to fall in love with you. So I'd always like see this incredibly hot girl, like always with my mom. And my mom would be like, Hey, what do you think of Taylor? I'm like, she's a rocket, but she doesn't speak. The girls are damn mute. And, um, we started like, I was what do you think of Taylor? I'm like, she's a rocket, but she doesn't speak. The girls are damn mute.

And we started, like, I was running three or four times. And then finally I met her for real when I was in my house that I had just bought. And my mom like fancies herself an interior designer. So we're talking about this accent. Well, like distressed barnwood. We put it there, blah, blah, blah. And she pulls up and we just talked for three hours.

And I started hitting with questions of, well, if you lived here, what would you do? What are this, blah, blah, blah, all these different things. And three days later, I see her at Loser's Bar. And I'm like, hey, I can't believe I had this connection with you. I've never felt like this in my entire life. Like, I need to see where this goes.

And we ended up going to LA, spending six days there, go to San Francisco for six more days, drive down to Arizona, which is where I'm from. And then she comes back to Nashville. six days there go to San Francisco for six more days drive down to Arizona Which is where I'm from and then she comes back to Nashville And then we're talking for a little bit and I'm like, she's like I miss you and I was like I want miss you too But if you come back you're not leaving and she came back and I was waiting with a ring So I I proposed to her right there and I had this how are you? I was so what was I I?

Got in the NFL 21. So I was probably I was about to turn 23 Okay about the turn 20. No about the turn 24. I had this like big elaborate plan. She's from British Columbia Canada and I was gonna get on a plane go see her dad and her mom who have not met yet by the way and like Ask for her hand in marriage all these different things I go with a passport card and they're put it hit people at the airport Like this is this is not a passport like you need an actual passport. I'm like, no, no, it's a card. It works just fine. It's the same.

Let's drive in by sea. And so I got shut down. Her dad calls me and he's like, hey, I understand what you're trying to do. You have my blessing, blah, blah, blah. And so I was just waiting with the ring and she always like, I want to go to Iceland with the person I spend the rest of my life with. So I was like, booking a trip to Iceland, we're going to do this. I basically got on my knee in a kitchen and she sat on my knee. And then as a joke, we're back in Nashville a couple months later and it was like right around 4 20. And we're like, why don't we get married on 4 20?

So we went to some chapel somewhere in Nashville. I could not get you there to this day. And we got married, found a guy online that was like a 24 hour service. He popped up. We didn't have like wedding bands. So we used like Haystraw. And we've been married for nine years now. Just celebrate our ninth year anniversary.

That's so beautiful. We had just celebrated our first anniversary. A week after y'all. We're 427. Nice, very nice. We can do a joint anniversary party next year. Any like keep the spark alive tips? Buddy, no.

Especially coming from someone though, who like you have been so busy, your whole relationship, you know, you've had this illustrious career in football that's taken like you just said, like a lot of your time. How did you like stay connected and manage like a healthy relationship through all that?

I think because of the whole thing I talked about, the main character syndrome and all of that, I was so focused. And the reason why this kind of story began was it takes a really strong woman to pull you out of that is my wife was incredibly intentional about being nurturing to myself in my career. And I had a whole bunch of bag of issues, like, you know, different things from my childhood traumas that we all have, we all want to talk about how bad our lives were when we were younger,

look how much we've overcome. And Talyn did a great job of like acknowledging all those things, while also being like, you need to kind of, if you want to be a better person, like you have to proactively go about these things to be a better person. You can't just be like, I want to be a better person. Because you're bored like a hundred percent. When I was, before I met Taylor, I was in the streets. I was out there ripping around

a little too hard. Yeah. I was out there boozing, getting crazy, staying up too late, all those different things. And so meeting her, it was like, Oh, that's, if I, that's the type of girl I didn't even know existed. So if I want that type of girl, I need to elevate myself as a man to achieve being with someone like this. And so when it comes to keeping a spark alive, it's just, dude, every day, my wife, she loves words of affirmation, acts of service, all the love languages. She loves them all. And I mean that as a positive because it's like,

there's so many ways to scratch that itch for her to feel loved. And it's about not only me scratching those itches for her, but her telling me as well, like, hey, I need this from you. And being like, there's not one person in this world that has a better communicator than Taylor Gallagher. She is so great at communication, breaking down process. Even when we get in arguments and that shit pisses me off because she does a great job of like arguing my side and be like, and her side. Better than you. You think you're so smart. I don't know if we can curse in the show. You can swear. Yeah. We don't know if you're so smart, blah, blah, blah. Because I'm a big dumb football player that's like all brute force.

They can't use big words like Talyn does, but it's literally an honor to be with this girl. It's an honor to be with this woman. It's an honor to have kids with her. There's a lot of other girls that were great people that treated me right that I didn't necessarily wasn't mature enough for, but something about Talyn snapped me out of it. So I was like, oh shit, that's the path. And that is the only path for me, so it's been awesome. Oh yeah, that's a great story. Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, dude.

Like you know, I came from reality TV and Bachelor World, and the haters can be pretty brutal online. But as a diehard sports fan, I'm fully aware of just how fucking toxic. And you mentioned earlier Twitter and things like that. We have a friend who dated a football player. And- Do I know this, do I probably know this football player?

Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you after. And he was having, you know, and I was just trying to explain to her just like the stakes. And I'm just like, like, I mean, you, you, I'm like, you got all these dads or guy fans, like betting and shit. They got thousands of dollars riding on these games and they're taking their anger out on these fucking players.

And I'm like, did you, I mean, how, like it's one thing, and I got it bad as a reality TV star, but like, did you get any like heads up as you got into the league, you know, with social media and like how to deal with that type of like interaction? And like, how did you, you know, cause you never, I hear it all the time. Like it's always a conversation with my peers

in the reality TV space, how to deal with trolls and things like that. But honestly, as a sports fan, I never really hear players talk about all that, all that much. Or I don't really hear teams or coaches like talking about the impact, like social media, which has like taken off with the past five or 10 years, like just how much that can fuck up a player's mindset and psyche.

Did you deal with that and how did you deal with that if that was the case? And have you seen other players like crumble under that pressure? Yes, to all of that. Like being, first of, nothing, like all the cons of playing professional sports, the pros I'll weigh it tenfold.

And you have to be aware of that. And like the social media trolls don't just start when you get to the NFL. I went to the University of Michigan. Obviously there's Michigan State, there's Ohio State, and at the time Notre Dame, we played every single year. Those fan bases want to tell you how much of a piece of shit you are. Your fan base, when you have a bad game, want to tell you how bad of a player you are. And honestly, I hated it.

I really did. And I think a lot of players pretend like it does not bother them, but it's the search for validation. And if you live by the cheers, you'll die by the booze. So you go in, like, I have a good game. And I'm like, you know, I go type in Taylor Luan, blah, blah, blah. And all of a sudden I'm looking at Taylor Luan's a beast. Oh, Taylor Luan, he's so athletic.

Yeah, that's a good feeling too. And then Taylor Luan sucks. But like, you see all these comments that are positive. And then the one comment you're like, for whatever reason, it's like cracking your foundation of a person like this. Like, why does this person hate me? What is going on? And you can easily go into that spiral. I think a lot of elite football players or elite athletes, when they do see it, the best ones don't look at it. The best ones don't, but if you do look at it, it's about using it as a chip. It's got to be way different for you being on The Bachelor, Bachelorette. When you're basically searching for this love and you're

showing your personality, you're showing who you are, you're at the mercy of the editors and how they want to display you on the show, all the fine print that you probably had to sign and stuff like that. And then everyone's making a judgment on you and your character. For me, it's like, you're judging me on my athletic ability and my capability to do a job.

And so that was like difficult for me because like a lot of football players, if you have them on your show or a lot of players in general be like sports is what I do, it's not who I am. If you play it long enough, it becomes a part of the fabric of your foundation. It really, you identify with it, you understand football players better, you understand other athletes better, they understand you better, you find the foundation that way with friendships. So to say it's not who you are is kind of a lie.

If you live and breathe it for so long, so when people are commenting on your character and your athletic ability, it makes you feel like shit. What I've noticed in going into this podcast world and this reality TV world, which I'm so fresh to, like we're 14 days into battle camp or whatever it is, is that for whatever reason I've been in this since I was 18 years old, where people are going to say and correct and I've been able to mature and watch and grow and have a family and realize what is important, what's not important. Like if people go and watch Battle Camp, for instance, and they're like, the show's great, the host sucks. Well, I don't know. I mean, great. Like that's, that's your opinion. Like I had no

idea what I was doing for all 30 of those days that we were shooting the show. If I sucked, you're probably right. Like, but the fact that I even got to do it, it's like changing your view from like, I need to be great to what an experience. And I think that's a lot of things that people like, the reason why they fail or don't do something is the fear of like, you know, not meeting their own expectations

and the expectations of others. And if you just go in, you're like, dude, this is just dope. Like, this is just an awesome experience. A lot of times I feel like that'll show in the process. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So how did you end up as the host of Battle Camp? Did you have, I mean, did you have a strong interest in reality TV as like as a fan and watched it

and like started commenting on it? Like how did that come to be? I, so I, I'm not a huge reality TV guy. I do have a weird thing for Temptation Island. That show is fucked. We have the entire cast here in the other room doing the reenactment. Yeah, my wife was telling me last day,

I was going to seriously, they just had, cause my wife and I just watched the most recent episode or recent season. We can break that down later. Cause that is crazy what those people have to go through. But I was never really into reality TV. I did see some bachelor. I did kind of, I was dating a girl before that was into it.

Saw you, saw you. I thought you had a good showing. You had a good showing. But I don't really, I don't truly remember. But I was a very entertaining show. He's a fan of your work. I'm a fan of your work. Good work out there.

And I like, I wasn't pursuing anything from reality TV standpoint. My agent calls me, my football agent calls me because I didn't have an entertainment agent. I met with a couple of people, like I said, like ESPN and stuff like that, but that's a whole different branch of agencies. And they're like, Hey, you know, this, this company wants you to host a reality TV show, but I know you're busy with bus and like, you probably don't want to do it. And I was like, Oh, you're probably right. I don't have time, but what's the company? And they're like, Netflix. I was like, I'm going to need to at least take that meeting. Yeah, exactly. So I go and I take this meeting with a bunch of people. There's this company, Tames, who is a

production company that is doing Battle Camp, and then a bunch of people from Netflix. And this guy named Rich, who is like one of the head casting people for non scripted TV. He's on it. He's like watched the show and see how I like facilitate conversations and all this stuff. And I was like, he brought me to the table essentially,

but hey, we should look into this guy, Taylor LaWann. So I do the interview and they're basically telling me like, yeah, you're our guy. We love it. We love your stuff. We love all that. We would love for you to do this. It kind of felt like, yeah, you're our guy. We love it. We love your stuff. We love all that. We would love for you to do this. Kind of felt like, oh, I got this job

without even knowing I wanted this job. And then I make a joke about, hey, like if I'm going to do anything, make sure I get to see a script before. Cause if you want me to read like out loud the first time, like you're boiking for whatever reason, become dyslexic. Like I like speaking out loud, sorry, reading out loud is the worst for me.

I hate it. I didn't, I didn't, I thought my whole life I just like had this, well it is a problem, I'm dyslexic but I had no idea in the late thirties and I was like, like why can't I fucking read out loud? Yeah dude whenever someone like hands me this like, hey read this out loud like panic sets. But if you're like hey you need to go speak

in front of these people, I have no issue with that at all. It's really just like the reading part. So I didn't know in the entertainment industry, you should never talk about your flaws because when we get off my agents are like, hey, great job. However, they did not like that. They're worried that you might not be able to do it. So they're going to send you a script and you have to do a read for them now. So I do, I get the script, it's like four or five pages long.

And I'm like, I'm just going gonna learn this entire script verbatim. So I do the read for them. I'm very nervous. I was more nervous doing that script read than I was the entire shoot of Battle Camp. But we do it, they like it, and they're like, all right, you're our guy. Which was awesome.

And then they send this lady from LA, Alita Gillian, who's like this host coach. She's like, anytime someone's like hosting something for the first time, she goes wherever you are and she kind of immerses you in it. And it is awesome. She is unbelievable. Like I have, where I live in Nashville, I have 13 acres.

We have this cabin that was from 1799 that we redid. It was like a hospital in the Civil War. Alita stayed there and for three days, we're like walking around my house and my property. And we're like, she's talking to me, she's like, all right, start reading the script. I started doing the script. She's like, stop.

Now they're gonna move cameras. And then when you get there, hey, they're gonna have a script for you. Don't even learn the script because they're gonna rewrite the script five times before you even do it. And then X, Y, and Z. So she was running me through all the things.

So I knew exactly what was going to happen when I got there. And then when I, when I got to Mexico, like it's like 45 to an hour outside of Mexico city, things just started happening. Like the first 24 hours I was like, Oh shit, like Alita said, all these things were going to happen. And they did. So the level of comfort that she gave me, just kind of feeling like I've done it a thousand times before was awesome. And it was, it was a very, very cool experience. Speaking of your capability to read, do your kids like, I know when Nick reads to River, I'm always like, I'm so sorry, honey, this is rough.

I know you're trying to pay attention, but it's hard. Do your kids kind of call you out and be like, dad, what? They don't, they don't, thank God. My seven year old, Wynne, she's obsessed with Harry Potter right now. So we're like reading the Harry Potter books. We're like a chat. At one point we're doing a chapter a night,

but then boys, I tell you, you'd like book four. Yeah, it's like 40 pages. I'm over there being like, it's 1030. So you gotta go to sleep. But I'll read to her and I can, I laugh to myself because we have obviously a camera in her room that you can watch. And I just think to myself sometimes,

I wonder if Talyn's watching this right now, just laughing to herself how stupid I sound. She totally is. Yeah, she's gotta be. But basically my seven year old and I were on the same reading level at this point. Like she's a much better reader than me. She's much more put together.

They do not call me out though. I love it. They say dyslexic people are, have special skills in other areas. And maybe, I don't know what those are, but you know. I know, yeah, I don't know if I have any other skills other than blocking people and talking on a microphone like so far that's worked out so far. Like a zoo animal tall. Like those are my only skills that I really have at this point.

Who did you enjoy on battle camp the most getting to know in terms of it pulled from all different like obviously Netflix shows, like squid game and like too hot to handle and things like that. But who, who were you, um, not maybe most impressed by, but who, who did you feel like really stood out and you enjoyed getting to know early in the show? First off, I thought, and this is such a cliche answer. There was not one person on that show that I did not like, like all the, the ins and outs of what happened in camp and the, you know, the misdirection and the misbehavior. I never really knew.

I kind of went, I explained the challenges. During breaks, I would talk to them, get to know them because that made me feel more comfortable as being more personable with them. And then the wheel ceremony was when like, you kind of see everyone's heart rate kind of skyrocketed to 160. But I really enjoyed everyone.

The person that stood out to me in the beginning was Tony. I thought, there's no way this guy's real. Like the way he's operating. Like the first time I met Tony, he walked up to me on a break without even really introducing himself. He goes, so you play with the Titans, right? And I was like, yeah, I played. He goes, you know, that, uh, that wrinkle on your forehead, like you do a little Botox. You can get that out. No problem. Don't he, what are we talking about, dude? And he,, the thing I love about Tony is his jokes are terrible. He is, uh, he, I think he comes off a lot dumber than, or he tries to act dumber than he is, but he's like unapologetically himself. So because he was like so aggressively like want to be dumb

guy, the hot guy that I like thought to myself like this guy's great. Like I'm sure if you're with him 24 seven, he's playing that bit'm sure if you're with him 24-7, he's playing that bit the whole time, it can very much get old. But there was something about him that was like, I could pepper this guy and chirp him and have a little fun with him and he's going to eat it and keep moving forward. Another person that I liked who had the most wild outfits out of everybody was Lorenzo. I thought Lorenzo was just, once again, like so different from me in every sense of the word. And he was just like witty and funny and like charismatic. And him and Georgia had this like weird little like romance love thing going on the whole time. And I

like, I loved it. But in my head, I'm thinking you got to split them up. Like you got, if I'm thinking, if I'm a contestant on the show, you've got to get these cats separated and get some votes on them to get them out of there. But they did a great job moving everything around. Love Shuby. I thought he was awesome. I thought he wasn't like very active in the show as far as like from a challenge standpoint, but great vibes guy through and through one person that impressed me a lot too. I'm just going to maybe just go through the whole cast, but like Avery, I was impressed by her. And I haven't watched the whole show, but I was impressed at the beginning of the show. She was so on the wheel from the votes.

Everyone's like, hey, she's a strong player. We gotta get her out of here. Boom. Then all of a sudden Lexi gets booted and then Avery kind of just flew under the radar from then on out. Like she was kind of like no more votes. Whatever she did, she righted the ship in a big way,

which I think strategically had to be a big move on her part. So everyone was awesome. I really enjoyed everybody. Was there anyone that you like, kind of were secretly rooting for to win? Yeah. So at the end- That's a great question.

I wanted Lorenzo to win, because I thought Lorenzo did the most from a challenge standpoint. I was also really impressed by Georgia. Yeah. Like obviously Georgia's a pretty girl and she's got the accent and like she's fun and she does a great job of like the manipulation process being on the dating shows and stuff like that.

But I thought she like really held her own in challenges. And I was like, okay, like it really didn't turn into like who I want to win. It'd be like, who would I be like, you know, I wouldn't be upset about anybody. When like Chase to me was like, well, you kind of just got here. So if you won, I don't know if like,

the viewer themselves would love it that much. You know, I thought Chase was a good dude. But like Georgia, Lorenzo, I really thought did a great job. I know Trey like kind of got kicked out towards the end, but I thought Trey like had a shot. He was a little sneaky devil. I love your story about Tony, because it just reminds me of like why I think fans

and why we love reality TV is because you don't necessarily have to be the same type of person or even like wanna be their friend, but reality gives you the opportunity to see people who are unafraid to just be themselves. And for better or worse, and I think whoever you are, we really, just human beings, really respect people who are able to do that

because so few of us can. Like so many of us are chameleons and whatever room we go into and are so afraid of being welcomed, then you see people who are just like, oh, that's really who you are, man. And then you're drawn to that type of authenticity, and I think the best reality TV characters

are the ones who kind of can do that, especially if they're on different shows, they show up and they're they're consistently Weird maybe but they're consistent Yeah, be the consistency is a beautiful thing like shoe bomb and Tony come to mind when you talk about them But isn't it funny how as viewers of the show like I don't know if you guys do this But even me like when I watch a reality TV show, which I like I said before I don't watch a whole lot But when I do it's like so easy which I don't watch a whole lot, but when I do, it's so easy to sit there in your chair and judge.

What are they doing? What an idiot. It's funny, when we were with Barstool, we did Surviving Barstool, which is their spin-off of Survivor. Myself and Will Compton were contestants in it. It was a seven-day shoot. It was very quick, but psychologically, where you go in the first 24 hours is actually insane. Like the real world like kind of vanishes before your eyes

and it's just solely focused on this. It's just crazy. Like kind of the situations that people get put into and how they like, they still are still themselves, which I'm not a hundred percent sure if that's still Tony. I'm not a hundred percent sure that's actually Tony. I'm not 100% sure that's actually Tony, but everything I saw the whole time, that was Tony. That's crazy.

That's a great story. That's wild, yeah. Is there any show that you are a fan of or you're not a fan of that you would maybe wanna host next? Oh, that's a good question. A show that I would wanna host next. You know, like the whole Temptation Island show that I would want to host next. You know, like, like, like the whole Temptation Island thing. First off, Mark Wahlberg. Crushed. He is the goat of all hosts. So I could

never take his job ever. Like he's like, I don't know if he's actually a therapist, but his background, the way he handles that part, he's unbelievable. It's because there's so many hosts out there that really are reading prompters. They're just there. And then I come from Bachelor World and love Jesse as a person. He's a great guy and Crispy Forum enjoyed his company too. But it was like, you'd have these chats and they would give you advice.

And then it was basically like, that sucks, man. Well, good luck, get in there. You're like, what the fuck? Yeah, it's like, Mark seems like he's truly connected to the people that he cares, he listens to the process. He has a great way of like having you zoom out a little bit and be like, okay, let's focus on what you're doing, not necessarily what they're doing to you.

And like he does a great job with that. If you look at Battle Camp, Battle Camp is, it's a character driven show. Like I'm really not necessarily needed other than to spin a wheel and to direct people of what to do next and the show. So watching a guy like Mark be able to break down psychologically what these people are going through in a crazy world is something I look at. I'm like, that's pretty unbelievable. But as far as like, you know, the reason why I would want to take that job is it

shoots in Hawaii. And that's a huge dough. I'm an hour outside of Mexico city, brother. It was- Hot. You were in Mexico City, brother, it was- Hot. You were in Mexico City? It was like, so I stayed in this hotel called Hotel Americana. And it's basically, I feel like a group got together and like, what do Americans like? And that's basically where there's like KFCs in there, Taco Bell, like, fairy queens, like,

there's like a karaoke bar in there. It was genuinely funny to see like, how like stereotypical American this hotel was, or in the craziest way. And I would go and I would drive. It would always be me, Miguel, my driver, who was kind of like kept me safe, I guess, even though I don't know if Miguel kept anybody safe. And then Terry, my hair and makeup person, we would always just rip together.

And it'd be an hour from Hotel Americana, which was like 20, 30 minutes outside of Mexico City to the outside of Mexico City, to like the hills of Mexico. And they built this set in like six weeks time. So it was two hour drive every single day there and back. It was a lot. It was definitely a lot, but I was still in such a new world

that I didn't get like tired of it until like the last three days. When I knew the end was near and I had a really good grasp on it, kind of like, well, everything was going on. But like the show itself, like, because it was so new, like it was just, my head was spinning the entire time. Wow.

Last question before we let you go. It's a little bit of a pivot and slightly a, I guess maybe a heavier question, I don't know. But hearing you talk about meeting your wife and it kinda dawned on me. And you have two daughters and we have a daughter. I just love the way you talk. I mean, you seem like a really good role model to young men.

And I feel like we're living in a time where I feel like there's just a lot of, I think like young men don't have a lot of positive male role models. And as a father of two daughters, A, I wonder if you, do you ever worry about like the type of men might be available for your daughters to date?

And two, like, do you ever like think about like leaning into that space? Because I love this shit that you say, and I think there's just a need for positive male role models in the world today. And is that something that is of interest of yours? I think there's something inauthentic about somebody trying to be something.

Sure. Like over and over again. First off. Like a guru, yeah. First off, thank you. I'm just gonna take that compliment. I gotta receive that thing, because that is awesome. something over and over again. Like a guru. Yeah. First off, thank you. I'm just going to take that compliment. I got to receive that thing because that is awesome. But I will say, when I talked about being that guy, a fuck boy type of cat before I

met my wife, I very much was that. And I was very much not a role model. And it took a lot of violence for me to become this calm and this comfortable in my own skin. So when you say you've come off as a role model to me, it's like, I know what my early 20s were like and how I was in college and all these different things that it's almost difficult for me to handle. And I really do appreciate it. When it comes to being a role model to people, I think it's just, you have to be authentically yourself. And I think that's what breeds like, that's why this show does well. That's why Bustin' with the Boys does well. That's why you see like, you know, a company like Barstool do so well

because it's authentic 24 seven, whether you like it or not. And if I can authentically be the best version of myself on a consistent basis, then that makes me a good role model. But it only happens through every single day doing it over and over and over again. And that's what like, you know, what it's, do you have a 15 month old kid? Like your perspective on so many things changes the minute you have a child, especially a girl. I really think that's a big difference is having a girl. Cause you realize like, you know, being the guy and being a teenager and knowing that

one thing that's always on your mind and how you're acting a certain way. And then you have a daughter and you're like, okay, how do I protect and teach this kid to sift through the bullshit in a lot of ways? And so hopefully my kids are set up for success because it's my wife's job to show my kids what a strong independent woman looks like. And then it's my job as a father to show my girls how they should be loved by the way I love their mom. That is the process. If I do those things and I keep open lines of communication with my kids, because there's a lot of things that you can look up about me on Google that you'd be like, this dude's a fucking bad person.

Like in college, I hit this kid after an Ohio State game because he was trying to rough up my brother. That's out there. There's a mugshot that's actually out there. But it's like, I'm 21, I'm 33 now. It's one of those things that's like, yeah There's a mugshot that's actually out there. But it's like, I'm 21, you know, I'm 33 now. It's one of those things that's like, yeah, my kids are gonna ask me questions about that. And I'm gonna have to have some sort of dialogue. Like, yeah, your dad was that type of dude. And then had to change and make corrections

when I was like 23, 24. So it's not the most difficult thing in the world to fess up to the bad things you did. But it's like, I feel like it's more difficult to hide. Like act like you're the greatest person ever. Act like you've never done anything wrong. Because for me, it's like, I feel like it's more difficult to hide. Like, act like you're the greatest person ever. Act like you've never done anything wrong. Because for me, it's like, if all my skeletons are out, then I feel so much more comfortable going through life.

You know? Yeah, my time on reality TV started as being the most hated guy on TV, and honestly, I was pretty grateful relative to my peers, because I was like, oh, I have nowhere to go but up. I was starting from the bottom. Different obviously than the stories you told, but this is more like, obviously,

like a controlled environment. But yeah, it's like- What was that like for you when you were getting such a negative feedback? It was tough. Did you know that was going to happen when you started the show? Not when I started the show, for sure.

I was definitely like, my goal was to like do anything but be that person. When I first went on, like I liked the girl. I was like, oh fuck. You know, cause I definitely wasn't expecting that. I was just like, if I show up, I'm gonna just, I'm here so I'm just gonna embrace whatever this fucking is.

And I'm gonna lean in if I feel something, and I did. There were a couple moments throughout filming where I was like, man, everyone's just fucking yelling at me, you know? Like, I just like, man, everyone's just fucking yelling at me. You know, like, I just like, I don't think this is a good thing. And then, yeah, as they got done filming, I got a sense and then the producer was like,

oh no, no, no, you're fine, you're fucking fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then like shit like that. And then, yeah, pretty early as the season started airing, I was like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Because they did it week by week, right? It's not like Netflix where they release it all at once.

No, yeah, it was a week by week, so it was a slow process. It was a slow process of anxiety building up and what are they gonna do next week? Okay, now I'm the villain. But I went back to my regular job at the time, went right back to work, so I was pretty grateful that they let me take leave, period. So I went right back to work, it was probably kind of stupid

because my head was fucking fried. But I was living in Chicago and I was really grateful that they let me take leave, period. So I went right back to work, it was probably kind of stupid because my head was fucking fried. But I was living in Chicago and I was going out and hated or not online or on TV, I'd walk into a bar in Chicago and I was, I felt like a rock star. So like, I was like, yeah, whatever, I'm fine. It also, yeah, that also, that was a good lesson for me to learn that like the internet's fake.

It's not real. It's not like the real life is outside, meeting people, interacting with people, people can say whatever they want online and they'll treat you like a rock star in person. So it was actually, again, it wasn't fun doing it, but I learned a lot of lessons through that experience that I think some of my peers did in it

and it served me well to honestly, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today and be as resilient in the space as I've ended up being if I got that kind of red carpet treatment off the bat. So it really worked out. And it's funny, dude, how people will just be like, hey, you're a scumbag, you're this and the other. And then those same people will see you at the bar

and they're like, yeah, let me get you a drink then. No talking, what was it like? How sick? And it's just like, it's just so interesting how the world revolves around you. And then how did you feel after it started to go away a little bit? Like, you have this, like you walk into the bar,

you feel like a rock star. But then the next season of Bachelor comes out. And then, then like, it kind of like, your storyline kind of gets farther and farther removed from like the current event of everything that's going on. You feel a little bit, I mean, I went back a few times, but it was like, yeah, you know, I went back for different reasons. It wasn't because of that. But bit, I mean I went back a few times, but it was like, yeah, you know, I went back for different reasons,

it wasn't because of that. But yeah, I caught myself, I was lucky that I went on TV, when I was, I think I was 33 when I first went on, so I was a little older, like if I would've gone on at 23, I'm glad I didn't. I, you know, I've had conversations with some of my buddies, like we've all caught ourselves, like when things would slow down,

like walking a little slower, you know, best people because you're like, you know, at first people, you would know people would notice you and like, ah, and then like, you know, less people notice you. And then you're like, you've caught yourself changing the speed at which you walk because you want to make sure they get a chance to see you.

So they notice you and you're like, what the fuck am I doing? You know, it's like those little games, but thankfully I was able to catch myself pretty early because her mom, beautiful woman, she's in her early sixties, the golden bachelor, not sure familiar with it. You know, we're teasing the idea of maybe having her go on.

And I was talking to her, I'm like, I was like, ooh, I mean, you know, we could be- Maybe like neither of them need to go on the show. Yeah, set them up. But I was saying, I'm like, just saying, I'm like, if you go on, I'm gonna make you get a therapist. Because I was telling my mother-in-law, it just, it fucks with your brain chemistry.

It's just not a normal thing to have the world, especially with the internet being what it is, to have access to literally millions of people having an opinion about you. And you talked about the comments of people gassing you up and gassing you up and I've given similar advice to people who have asked because it's like, if you're gonna listen to the positive bullshit that people say about you,

your subconscious brain says, if you're gonna listen to those strangers, you have to listen to the strangers who are gonna talk shit. And yeah, it will fuck with you. But the ones that talk shit for whatever reason that holds more weight or at least it lingers in the back of your mind that much more. Oh, yeah

I used to think I was a pretty good-looking guy and then I went on TV and everyone's like saying I'm like fuck I'm a ugly motherfucker. I'm a terrible fucking person. I never scale dude one zero. You're one You're winning the battle of yes or no The thing that's so funny about you talking about walking by slower because I bet at one point when you first did it people Like what do you what's it like? Do you like it when you go out and people recognize you? I bet you said to somebody like, no, I hate that shit. That is such a bullshit thing.

Like people are like, hey, do you, people ask me, hey, will you sign this or take a photo? And then there's always somebody that's like trying to be like kind, but this probably bothers you, doesn't it? And the answer to that is absolutely not. There's times I have to go places and do some things, so I'm in a little bit of a hurry, so I might not give you the time you might want, but I will do, I'll sign her and take a photo. But I think it's crazy when people are like, I hate that shit. It's bullshit. Because it's like, someday I'm going to walk somewhere and I'm going to walk into a room and no one's going to know or

give a shit who I am. They're going to look at me and be like, guy looks tall, probably played sports. And it's gonna be over. So you gotta like enjoy these small moments of like, for whatever reason, people enjoy like what you did or what you do and like making the most of it because it will end someday. It does not last forever unless you're Tom Cruise. Yeah.

That guy keeps going. Taylor's been a ton of fun, man. I could talk for hours, but appreciate your time. Congratulations on Battle Camp. it's a great show. We enjoyed watching it. Plug away, I know you mentioned Bustin'. Just let the people know where they can follow you and just enjoy everything you're doing out there.

Well, if you're looking for me personally, you can go to TaylorWan on Instagram, Taylor177 on Twitter. Bustin' with the Boys comes out every Tuesday 6am, myself and Will Compton on a bus. We got athletes, we got musicians, actors, comedians, all those different things. It's a good time, dude. Come hang out. All right, we'll check it out.

Appreciate you guys. Appreciate you. Yeah, it's been awesome. Well, I hope you all enjoyed this episode. Thank you to our guests, Abby and David, Taylor LeWan, as well as the entire cast of The Valley Shug. Welcome back, it's been great to have you. I hope to have more of you.

Oh my gosh, you can have me whenever you guys want me. I love being in this little fan. Now that you are our childcare support system. Our sister mom. Oh my gosh. I'm Natalie's sister mom. Thank you. Thank you. What? It sounds like, honestly, like a little-

Sister wives. What? Incestual, it sounds, I don't know. It is. No, it is. Natalie and I are incestual with each other. You're not involved, that's why it's sister mom. Not a sister wife.

Not a sister wife. Sister mom. Sister mom. All right, all right. Well, don't forget to check out our explosive interview with Lexi Wood, the Going Deepers episode that dropped yesterday. Thank you to all our guests this week.

It's been an incredible week. We have a wild week coming up next week. First of all, it's a wild week because the premiere of the secret lives of Mormon wives season two drops next Thursday. In fact, it's all the episodes drop. It's guys, I don't think you're fully prepared for just how juicy scandalous and what as a, as a fan of dramatic reality TV, an amazing season, the new newest member of mom talk joins us.

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