The Viall Files - E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News

Starting point is 00:00:00 What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another wild and wacky episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. Boy, do we have a banger of a week lined up for you guys. What, what's going on? Wild and Wacky. I just like to make things up. Boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you. The ladies of Mom Talk continue to make their presence felt on The Vow Files.

Starting point is 00:00:40 Today we have Jessie and Michaela, boy do they serve. These bitches don't hold back. Yeah. I mean, they just cannot help, but just like word vomit all T constantly. Even the show, watching the show, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do make my little batches. I finished the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:00:56 Yeah. Anyways, they are here. They have a lot to say. I'm actually shocked about the claim that it was Michaela, Michaela. Jessie confirmed it about how an idea that Demi had for the end of season one. That was shocking. She's producing.

Starting point is 00:01:16 There's producing and then there's craziness. There's producing. There's fully committed to the bit. I'm always pro somebody who's fully committed to the bit. Yeah, I'm always pro somebody who's fully committed to the bit, so I know there's a lot to say going around, but in this single case scenario, I think the idea is definitely something worth pitching. But there unfortunately are layers

Starting point is 00:01:35 to the committing to this bit. There are. I don't know if I approve of all the levels of pre-production that went into that bit that she committed to. But. I don't even know if we're allowed to laugh. What is the internet saying over the weekend?

Starting point is 00:01:50 Are they, what's, are they starting to take sides? A lot of people are ranking the lives, I've seen that. I see a lot of love from our girl, Michaela. Yes, Michaela's always one or two. A star is born. For sure. Truly. She really found her voice. Did you see Marciano's video that he posted? I did not.

Starting point is 00:02:10 There obviously is a lot of speculation about his involvement in this franchise. I think what we all agree on and he seems to be kind of a loser, a little bit of gross. Yeah, I mean, I think every wife has had a negative opinion of him, regardless of what Demi or Jesse

Starting point is 00:02:30 or any of the allegations or claims against him, they're all just like, yeah, he kinda sucks. Yeah, but anyways, what was his video? Well, he posted a video and he was at Swig and he was ranking the drinks that the girls made. And he said, why not try some of these girls? I mean, some of these girls drinks, like he was, he was basically like saying how he feels about them through their drinks. So when he tried Jesse's drink, he said, definitely something

Starting point is 00:02:57 that I'm used to and that I like if I had another chance or opportunity to continue drinking this. And then he says, I could see myself drinking this in the future. He's talking about Jesse's swig drink. Yeah, he's gross. But kind of talking about her. And then when he was drinking Demi's drink, he bleeps her name, first of all, in the video. And then he says, no, instantly regretting it.

Starting point is 00:03:18 Wish I never took a sip of this one. And then he spits it out and does like a, ugh. He sucks. He does suck. He's just cringy. I think that's- He's just cringy. I was like, uh, what is this? I mean, he clearly is trying to get clout

Starting point is 00:03:30 and look at us giving it to him. So it is working in his favor, whether people like him or not. And he's cringing on Vanderpump Villa. And it was kind of like this guy. And then to have the season two storyline, I'm like, this guy, we're talking about this guy. We only talked about Venom Home Fellow

Starting point is 00:03:46 as it relates to Mormon Housewives. Did anything else go on? I mean, that season has come out. It's been out. It's coming on, I believe. No one cares, right? Do they, other than Mormon wives? I mean, I did, but that's just because

Starting point is 00:03:55 my Queen Stassi was back on reality television, so I very much enjoyed her. But like objectively, how did you, I mean, it's been two seasons. It's been two seasons. No one gives a shit. I didn't finish it. I didn't like it. I didn't like it.

Starting point is 00:04:05 I haven't seen the season finale. I don't know who got the $30,000. Sarah can watch and finish just about anything. I don't know what that says about Vanderbump Villa if you can't get through it. Yeah, I'm on like episode eight, nine. What if there were human remains that were found close to Vanderbump Villa?

Starting point is 00:04:20 Would we start watching more? Then I would watch. Poor Taylor Swift. Poor Taylor Swift. Poor Taylor Swift. She wakes up on a sunny Tuesday morning. When did this come out? She just constantly catches grenades and shrapnel from things that have nothing to do with her.

Starting point is 00:04:32 They just love to throw her name. They just add it in the mix. It's like there was, what's the story? Human remains were found just like near her house in Rhode Island. Less than a mile away from where she lives. It's like we didn't need to include her name. I put a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:04:46 A lot of other people live there. Live there, yeah. Right. Less than a mile. It's crazy, but you know. I bet there was someone else who lived closer than Taylor Swift lived. It was actually in their backyard.

Starting point is 00:04:55 Probably somebody who lives there in that house. Katy Perry. I'm just kidding. I feel like she's gonna write a banger song about it though. Taylor? Yeah. Like a mystery song? Called Over My Dead Body.

Starting point is 00:05:06 Over My Dead Body. They found the bodies near my house but I was thinking about was your body against my body. No, someone mute her immediately. Yeah. Cut her mind off. I don't know, I think it'd be a banger. Taylor's constantly catching strap.

Starting point is 00:05:21 Now even from Justin Valdoni's lawyer who last week tried to make some claim that according to a trusted source, he heard a rumor that allegedly Blake threatened Taylor with releasing all of these public text messages. A judge has stricken that down. Stricken. And basically said stop your shenanigans and tomfoolery

Starting point is 00:05:45 when it comes to this case. And I think he even threatened sanctions against the judge. And then all the Justin sycophants and super fans are like, oh, well, the lawyer, he signed a sworn affidavit, so he must be telling the truth. Well, all he's telling, like the sworn affidavit that there is a trusted source, like that he has a source

Starting point is 00:06:08 that he thinks he can trust, and someone's willing to say this, that's all he's saying. So that could be literally anyone. It could be his dog. His dog could be the one being like, I- He's like, he's my best friend. Yeah, I heard that Taylor Swift and Blake Lively, like, gee, was gonna, like, that's all it is.

Starting point is 00:06:24 It's just like a, it's a source of a rumor. I mean, didn't Blake's team also come out and be like, it's just like not true? Yeah, but then more importantly, because like obviously Blake's team's Back and forth, sure, sure. Big team's gonna Blake's team, but like the judge is like, stop this shit out.

Starting point is 00:06:37 He finally seems to be putting a stop to it. But not after all the ridiculous headlines of that made it seem like it was a fact. Right, the damage is done now. The damage, you know. Listen, they get what they want. Real quick, that team, they work hard and they work fast. I said, I'll take the slap on the wrist.

Starting point is 00:06:55 I'm so sorry, Judge. I mean, they continue to try to bully and win this case in the court of public opinion. Anything new with Karen Reed going on, speaking of trying to win the case of public opinion? Let me see. I honestly have not had a moment to keep up, which is really hurtful for my soul. But what I do know that happened is that Brian Higgins, who was like texting with Karen Reed

Starting point is 00:07:18 had a little something, something going on. Well, Karen was texting Brian Higgins. Well, they both were, they were texting each other. He was responding. So she wasn't texting herself. He was definitely responding to her. He was texting her. And the night of the murder, the night that John O'Keefe died,

Starting point is 00:07:36 he didn't tell any police or anyone else that he went back to work at like 2 in the morning. He went back to the police station with a duffel bag, did some things. Didn't tell anyone he did those things. When they asked when he the next time he went to work, he was like, Oh, like Monday morning, dude, like just like just like normal workday. And like he had like done some sketchy stuff in the police station. And he didn't tell anyone. That's just like the the the last thing that's taking in my mind

Starting point is 00:08:06 from what I've seen on TikTok. Yes, of course. But that was like the last like stuff I paid attention to. Still ongoing. Yeah, listen, I think she will be acquitted. I think every time I text Emily Baker, unofficial legal correspondent, who I really respect very much tries to be

Starting point is 00:08:23 the legal correspondent that she is and stick to the facts, not the opinions. But I'm always like, first I was made aware of the case by my dear wife, I was like, oh my God, Karen Rina is innocent. I'm texting this to Emily and Emily always responds back with like a non-opinion but like also something about the case.

Starting point is 00:08:42 But then I text Emily a couple of days later, I'm like, I think she's guilty now, but I think she's gonna get off. And her response was simply prosecution is a mess, which I believe is kind of her agreeing with me that like she might get acquitted just because the prosecution doesn't seem to be doing their job appropriately.

Starting point is 00:08:58 The prosecution is definitely a mess for sure. We also tried to watch Tangled this past weekend with River and Nick the whole time was just like, God, her hair is probably so gross. Like it's on the ground. It's probably really heavy. It's just like, imagine how nasty it is. The live action of Tangled is disgusting.

Starting point is 00:09:16 Imagine that just like 15 years of, is it though? He's like, you see the washing with Tangled. Could you imagine just, it would be like a mop across the floor. This is Nick, while me and River are trying to enjoy a Tangled, he's like, God, it's probably just really dirty. Like, look how much it's dragging.

Starting point is 00:09:34 Well, first off. It's out the tower, it's pulling up her mom, it's wrapped around the tree. Yeah, her mom's shoe, and God knows where her shoes have been. I didn't really understand the plot of Tangled. Rapunzel? It's a cartoon, so it's fine. First of all, why aren't we calling it Rapunzel?

Starting point is 00:09:52 Because it's dis- Because her hair is really tangly. Yeah. It's a tangled web of an adventure. I don't know, I feel like you're disrespecting Mandy Moore by saying this. You watched the movie. That's the plot of the movie. Exactly, he was too focused on the hair being dirty that he didn't understand that the flower was, when she was a baby. She was like gonna die and then they gave her the flower but then if she like cut her hair

Starting point is 00:10:15 then she wouldn't have the magic anymore and no one knew what would happen to her. Which is why Mother Gothel kidnapped her. And keeps her in the tower. She's a real bitch. Yeah. That lady is not nice. That Mother Knows Best song.

Starting point is 00:10:25 Banger. It's so good but it's like a little drama. God, I love Mandy Moore. She's like closing all the curtains. She's like, Mother Knows Best. It's a funny show. It's a funny show. It's a funny show.

Starting point is 00:10:37 Did River like it? Funny show. You know, it's definitely more for the two of us. She's like, you got paid attention, what's the matter? It's a little too much going on. Try the hunchback nerd name, that really. It's really sad. I. She's like, you've got to pay attention, what's going on? Try The Hunchback of Notre Dame, that really. It's really sad.

Starting point is 00:10:47 I think if they're gonna make any live action remake, I would say do The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Make it a better movie. I also tried to show her Emperor's New Groove, not interested in that one either. And then while I'm watching it back, I'm like, you know, it is kind of slow. Like we do need, like River needs the birds

Starting point is 00:11:04 and the animals and the songs. Oh, the leather grunt. Like we have to narrate when we're watching with River. I'm like, oh my God, the squirrels. Wait, look at the birds, caw, caw. Like we have to like keep her interested or she is in the other room. Llamas not doing it for me.

Starting point is 00:11:17 No llamas were not doing it for me. Oh my God, Emperors New River rocks so hard. Speaking of moms and daughters, did you guys see that Sami Sheen calls her sister Lola out for lying in a TikTok video and slamming her for not getting Denise Richards a Mother's Day gift? This is the craziest TikTok I've ever seen. This is so funny.

Starting point is 00:11:35 And I just like happened to scroll through it. I just wish she actually slammed her like. Body slam. WW style. Yeah. It kind of honestly, she could have. It was verbal. It was a verbal slam.

Starting point is 00:11:44 It was verbal and it was a verbal slam. It was verbal and it was definitely unnecessary. When she first started though I was like, ooh, who's the tea? What's the tea? And then she was just like, yeah. And I was in that photo too and I was like, oh, okay. I am sad. And then she's like, and just so you know, she's not that great of a person.

Starting point is 00:11:58 She actually didn't get our mom anything and I made the reservation. I was like, I don't know why I invested in this. What did Sammy get her? She made the reservation. I was like, I don't know why I invested in this. Where did Sammy get her? She made the reservation. That's not a gift. I paid for everyone's food. Lola said she was gonna split the bill with me and she didn't.

Starting point is 00:12:12 I got my mom two things of flowers and a bunch of shit from Barefoot Dreams and a very nice candle and a card and Lola couldn't even get her flowers. Isn't that crazy? But all the comments on that post were saying that she is so nice. Okay.

Starting point is 00:12:23 But like, Sammy's got that OnlyF so nice. Okay. This is awesome. Sammy's got that OnlyFans money. Where's Lola? Well, she was a host at that restaurant. Or maybe she's at an ice cream shop. I mean, I think it's great to have Jesus as your best friend, but he ain't giving you cash. He's definitely not paying your bills, baby.

Starting point is 00:12:39 That was really funny. I will say though, you know how there's always that one kid of the group that is the one who is organizing the group gift for the parent? Yeah. And then there's the one. That's not me. But are any of you guys that person in your family? It was always my oldest sister.

Starting point is 00:12:58 It was only my sister when she was trying to scam us, when she worked for one of her many pyramid schemes or whatever, and it was trying to be like, mom needs makeup, and then she would sell us the makeup and take the profits. Working towards that Lexus. How about my brother texted the family group chat, happy Mother's Day, mom, love you so much. That was it.

Starting point is 00:13:20 What? In the family group chat, nothing for me. Didn't hear from him once. And like, you could have texted her personally. I didn't need to see that. Also your sister's. No, literally. Also mother's.

Starting point is 00:13:31 What I love about that is I fully understood everything about his thought process, which was simply like, I just, I need to text my mom. This is the group chat. She's in this group chat. Good. Great. Do it then.

Starting point is 00:13:43 Done. Crazy. Yeah. I do have it then. Done. Crazy. Yeah. I do have to say in Lola's defense though, that she did post a photo of like the flowers and the card that she did get her mom. So she said, I did actually, I don't know why my sister decided to bring this to social media. I don't know either. Lola was like, what the heck is going on?

Starting point is 00:14:02 I didn't see anything. Well, Sonia Morgan in restaurants just do not mix. No. She's struggling. She's having some time. Something's going on. She's having some issues with the restaurateurs these days. Is she drinking before she's eating? Well, I mean, Sonia Morgan is notorious for having a great time when she goes out. But before she goes out.

Starting point is 00:14:26 I'm still kind of confused by the story because she allegedly is out to dinner and then an elderly patron at a restaurant was dining who appeared to be in distress. What was the elderly person doing? Oh, she fell. I don't know. There was distress.

Starting point is 00:14:41 So apparently Sonja called the 911, but then ended up being on the ambulance. What if she just felt so connected to this old elderly woman and she was like, she has no one to go with her to the hospital, I'll go with her. Empathy. On the stretcher. Maybe Sonja Morgan just has empathy.

Starting point is 00:15:00 Like maybe that was it. She's an empath. It appears that she made a call, a medical call to the restaurant. Officers responded. They issued a written trespass warning to Sonja Morgan at the request of the Breaker's Hotel, the owner of Echo the restaurant that they were at.

Starting point is 00:15:16 So she must've been acting up or something. Morgan refused to sign the warning, but police were unable to corroborate that report. I didn't wanna leave. I insisted on making sure she was cared for Morgan tells people about the elderly woman Elderly woman falls Elderly woman falls Sonya comes to help Restaurants mad at Sonya they file

Starting point is 00:15:40 Trespass not allowed to come They file trespass not allowed to come. She says, no, no, no, I'm trying to help. Is this the same restaurant? They're like, no. No, this is in Florida. Why is she being accused of trespassing at a restaurant that's open? They issued a written trespass warning.

Starting point is 00:15:53 So I'm wondering if maybe like they- They wrote it down? On like a bar deck. The police issued it. This seems very Florida restaurant. But what's confusing is that it says Morgan refused to sign that warning. So I guess you have an option when a police officer

Starting point is 00:16:09 gives you a trespass warning from the hotel restaurant. She's trying to save a life. She's in the middle of work right now. She's a hero. This is a public establishment that welcomes people when they're open, lots of people, but they don't want her. And they want to admit, but like, but why? I need them to release a statement.

Starting point is 00:16:31 I saw the video of her being like on the gurney out and she's clearly like actively speaking. So she's not in any type of harm. She's on a gurney? Yeah. Yelling at people? Where's the elderly lady? Where's this video?

Starting point is 00:16:44 I don't know. Florida has a really hard time with divas. It was just Sonja. Sonja made the call and somehow ended up on the gurney going into the ambulance. Diva down. Super Justin is bringing up this video. I have this vision in my head, I hope.

Starting point is 00:16:58 This is the first one. Is that Sonja? That's Sonja on the gurney. That guy in the background looks so over this. Is she crying? No, she was just like... I heard giggling in the background. This is the picture of her on the gurney.

Starting point is 00:17:24 Yeah, just chilling. This is after picture of her on the greenie. Yeah, just chilling. And this is after she called the 911 to help someone else. For medical assistance for someone else. She said, oh, she's fine. Actually, let me take a little ride. Somewhere it said that she like sustained minor injuries and that they wanted to check her out,

Starting point is 00:17:38 but I'm just like, I feel like that's like a- That's a hefty bill. So yeah. Just to get checked out, I will say. Well, wishing her the best. Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers. Getting into some secret lives of Mormon wives.

Starting point is 00:17:51 The women are continuing to beef online. Jessie called out Demi on Instagram, and after they disrespected her, and what I'm guessing was our interview, because we did have Brett and me together. And Jesse says, a 47 year old washed up loser who can't hold a job and asked my husband and I for 10 grand just a few months ago so he could pay his bills is like. What does Brett do for work?

Starting point is 00:18:17 I don't know. I know he was on Claire Crawley's season of The Bachelor. And was he a football player? That's not a job occupation. That's not work. He didn't get paid for that. I think he's trying to be on reality TV. And that's awesome, but I am just curious

Starting point is 00:18:31 what he's been up to. Should have asked, I guess. Well, we didn't know that. He's a managing partner at Armstrong Consulting Group. Oh. As per his official LinkedIn page. It sounds like a real job. I mean. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:43 Consulting. That was in June of 2022. 2022. He's freelance, maybe. Well, managing partner means he has some kind of equity or in this company. I mean, it could be. I don't imagine Demi with a scrub, you know?

Starting point is 00:18:59 Yeah, I mean, they don't look like they live poor. Yeah. Jesse is like not afraid to call him out and say, I mean, him, if that's true, which that's a strange thing to lie about because I feel like maybe there would be receipts of that. Maybe not, but I don't know. But like to be like, hey, he needs money from us.

Starting point is 00:19:18 And then like now. That's a bold thing to ask your alleged co-stars for money, the same people that allegedly, and Jesse does get into, I know it's on episodes somewhere four, five, and six, I don't know, we get into it this episode, but the whole conversation about what went down before seasons one and season two in terms of their contract negotiations,

Starting point is 00:19:40 Jesse breaks it down in great detail shortly when Michaela and Jesse make their appearance in this episode But wouldn't it be kind of it's like that that's the same people he went to an ash for money I mean what I learned in this season of secret lives and more my wife's is that Jesse's a millionaire and she's sitting on a hair empire Like they use the M word They did yeah the M word millionaire. Oh, I thought you were gonna say mogul.

Starting point is 00:20:05 I mean, we can throw that in there for sure. Well, they do have a new intro to the show. It is very iconic. I saw Taylor, Frankie, Paul's little BTS she posted. Iconic, so good. Jessie and Layla don't get their hair wet, which I feel like if I'm production, I'm fighting them on that.

Starting point is 00:20:23 I'm saying, listen, I see the vision at the end. You wanna get your hair wet, which I feel like if I'm production, I'm fighting them on that. I'm saying, listen, I see the vision at the end, you wanna get your hair wet. Don't be the only two that don't. Jesse sent a video. She's already sent it? Jesse sent a video. She's so good. I do have it.

Starting point is 00:20:34 We have her response. Well, because when we interviewed Jesse and Michaela, we were, there were so much, honestly, we went in with so many questions, we didn't even get to most of them because they were just serving up. And then, and this, this and oh by the way, oh my god. That wasn't even on the docket, okay.

Starting point is 00:20:53 Okay. So we've asked Jessie to respond to this question on why she did not get her hair wet in the intro and she has sent us a response. So should we play it now? Yeah. Okay, you guys, I was just as surprised to see that Layla and I had dry hair in the intro because we all got wet.

Starting point is 00:21:11 I was actually the very first one to film our intro, and I was like the guinea pig, so I was like getting my hair in there, flipping it around. I actually have so many videos of having wet hair, and if you look at the poster, we all had wet hair. So I don't know, it's kind of funny because everyone's like, they're just divas and they didn't want to get their hair wet. Trust me, if that was the case, they would have just been like, sorry, you're getting

Starting point is 00:21:31 your hair wet. We don't have that kind of say. So yeah, I did get my hair wet, but maybe I just looked so stunning, gorgeous with drugs. Literally. And I had to leave it that way. But no, we definitely had to do some work. Layla, it was actually really funny because her hair is naturally curly. And they were nervous that as she got her hair wet, her extensions would be just kind of wavy and wet and her own hair would curl up. And so we had to get like lube and lube her hair down.

Starting point is 00:21:57 That's like a little hairstylist trick and put lube in it to make it look wet instead of getting it actually wet. And then they got her extensions wet. So little BTS, but maybe it just didn't look as good as they were wanting. And that's why they kept us both dry. I'm not sure. I'm gonna have to ask and find out

Starting point is 00:22:12 because I was curious about that too. Okay. Well, there's our answer. It's funny that she says that because I thought about that on the poster. I was like, all of their hair is wet. So I wonder if they were like, no girls, it's fine. We'll go and post and give you wet hair.

Starting point is 00:22:25 And I was like, but how did they do that? They lubed her up. Jesse, thank you for coming through this morning and picking up for what we failed to do when you first showed up and asked that question. I'm glad we were able to get it. Me too, because I also was like, these bitches just didn't wanna get their extensions wet,

Starting point is 00:22:42 because I've had extensions once or twice in my life before and I know how much of a bitch it is to like, once you get them wet, then like the whole drying process. And I was like, listen, honestly, I get it. But I am shocked that production wasn't like, girls trust, get them wet. And they did. So that's so strange that they didn't use,

Starting point is 00:22:58 why would they make the two of them weird production choice? Right? Do you think someone accidentally like the footage of the wet shots? They're like, oh god. I kinda almost like, there's just no real good explanation for why they wouldn't do that.

Starting point is 00:23:12 Or like it wasn't in focus or something. They weren't rolling the whole time. Yeah, maybe they were like, let's create some discourse around this. Yeah, the person in charge of the intro is like kinda pissed at Jessie and Laila. Well, I told you we have a jammed pack episode for you today, because coming up next,

Starting point is 00:23:28 Chloe Veatch is with us, is hosting a new Netflix show, Sneaky Links, a show about maybe falling in love with the person you don't want anyone to know you're having sex with. So I'm not sure how that all is gonna work out. It's a crazy concept. Look, I see the vision, you know what I'm saying? But like- I don't see it executing.

Starting point is 00:23:45 They don't want people to know they're having sex with them. Exactly. I wanna know how they got them there. It's like, did they go out to the person that's hiding them and be like, you're on a new dating show. We're not gonna tell you who what when,

Starting point is 00:23:57 but when you get there, surprise! Anyways. It's me. I wanna know, could you potentially sneaky link with someone else's sneaky link? I don't know. We'll have to ask Chloe Veach. We'll have to ask Chloe who is up next. And then after Chloe will break down

Starting point is 00:24:12 the summer house breakup heard around the world between Lexi and Jessie. Get into Mormon Wives and then the interview. Certainly many of you have been tuning in for with Jessie and Michaela. But coming up next, Chloe Veach. This show is sponsored by Better Health. Mental health awareness is growing,

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Starting point is 00:26:55 to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com slash V-I-A-L-L. Chloe, welcome back to the show. Thanks, Nick. So great to have you. Thanks for having me. We're very excited about the new show on Netflix you're hosting.

Starting point is 00:27:08 Yeah, can you imagine? Well. Sneaky links. We can. Sneaky links. For the people who may not know what a sneaky link is, first, help us understand what that is. Okay. And then explain us, the only concern we have

Starting point is 00:27:24 is how are people who don't want people to know that they're hooking up with someone? What are the possibilities they're going to want to do it on TV? Okay. So I can't physically give any spoilers, but I'm going to spoil it right now. They do. They hook up, even if there's cameras, they love sneaking. So the definition of a sneaky link for me, the easiest way I can explain it was and is, you know when you don't want anyone to know that you're in a relationship with someone or that you're hooking up with someone,

Starting point is 00:27:53 it could be a six month period of, you've had sex with them a couple of times or it could be a 10 year period. There's a couple on the show that was sneaky linking for 10 years. And- Like why were they sneaky? Because of the lack of boundaries.

Starting point is 00:28:07 Like he didn't want to be with her and she's very much like, okay, well, I'm just going to continue this because it's easy to do it. And I think as women, it's so easy to fall into something like that. They would crawl from room because it's in a motel. So they're in each other's room. They're in their own rooms and then they'd come out and they'd sneak away from their sneaky links and go meet up with other people in the motel and like crawl across like army crawl style. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:28:34 Yeah. And we're going to see it? You're going to see all of it. And what, and were you helping facilitate these hookups? I mean, my job as the host was just to be there as the big sister. Like if he hurts you or upsets you, babe, come here. I'm literally a veteran at dating shows at this point.

Starting point is 00:28:56 I understand your struggle, I understand your pain. Come cry on my shoulder. It wasn't my job to direct what they should do if that was to happen. Cause there's no way I would get sued. It would be a HR issue. Because all the guys were really, really hot. All the guys were hot.

Starting point is 00:29:10 All of the guys, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Did you like find yourself being like, should I go into room AC very quick? Funny you say that because... Chloe's army crawling? Is it? Right.

Starting point is 00:29:21 Me. You're like, there's a lot of women army crawling. I don't know what they're doing, but it was really crazy. Is that Chloe? Yeah. Wow. Why is she wearing a bow-blonde wig? It was very hard for me to transition mentally, like on set from talent to host.

Starting point is 00:29:41 Because I've literally been talent for so long and now I'm like, oh no, they look to me now and I need to tell them what to do. Fuck. You're like, babe, and I would fuck them and I would. That's what I would do. I love you. We need to be friends. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:00 That's what you tell them. There was a couple of times I said to some of the executives, would it be like a violation if I was to like, obviously if they ended up with no one at the end, if I was to get their number? Yeah. It's like a power dynamic there. And they were like, probably couldn't do that, Chloe. And I'm like, just double check it.

Starting point is 00:30:18 What about a follow-up DM? If they slid into my DMs. I can respond. I can respond. You don't think that, but could you just go ahead and actually ask the lawyers and make sure I can? Yeah. Because if I can, I my DMs. I can't say my answer. So you don't think that, but could you just go ahead and actually ask the lawyers and make sure I can't? Yeah. Because if I can, I'm going to.

Starting point is 00:30:28 If it's not in writing, I can do what I want. Where did Sneak Healings film? So they filmed it in Scottsdale, Arizona. Boiling. I actually had heat exhaustion one of the days. Oh, God bless. Yeah, it was a lot. God bless Arizona. And

Starting point is 00:30:46 God bless. Do we have a preview of this trailer? Yeah, play a trailer. Can we play a trailer? When's it come out? The 21st of May. Oh, wow. Comes out tomorrow, guys. Yeah. Comes out tomorrow. Tomorrow. Oh my God. All right, let's check out the trailer of Sneaky Links. I am so ready to be in love. I'm ready for something real. I'm moving out of my home phase. I'm trying to find true love. What is he doing here?

Starting point is 00:31:15 Sup people? It was a high school thing. That is a ho. I thought I was gonna see a whole new set of singles. You have been brought here with the person that you love having casual sex with, AKA your Sneaky Link. This is gonna get messy for sure and quick.

Starting point is 00:31:38 I'm helping you explore your Sneaky Link relationship in a deeper way, but it's okay for you to explore other connections if you're curious. This is a disaster. Rest your feet for disaster. Would you like to come over? Holy smoke.

Starting point is 00:32:04 They're all hot. It's smokin'. He's giving me zero attention. If he won't, someone else will. Damn. She's actually kind of cute. Kelsey didn't only step on my toes. She came for my neck. I came in with some habits that I needed to break. Some of you have made crazy progress,

Starting point is 00:32:27 and I can see that there are romantic sparks flying. I kind of want coal. I'm not here to make friends. Oh, f***. We are in trouble. Yes! Wait, I can already see like the people who have been sneaky linking for a while. They go here, they imagine to like continue to sneaky link and then their guy is like

Starting point is 00:32:54 off with another girl. I'm pissed. Yeah. No, literally. I had quite a couple questions after seeing that. One, are any of the men, the ones who wish they could be in a relationship that are being hidden? Is it?

Starting point is 00:33:09 They are. There are some sad, sad boys. And I think that's why I was so intrigued because I haven't seen it from that side. I thought it was gonna be the women that are like, I want you to marry me, like the old mate. Love is blind. Out there in the wild.

Starting point is 00:33:24 How many sexual partners did the person who had the most sex have on the show? Like, I don't mean coming into the show, I mean filming the show, like how many? Like they bounced around. Yeah, what was the most sexual partners one person had? I think three. Wow.

Starting point is 00:33:40 Question, for the casting process, like how did they get their sneaky link or like how did they get the person that was hiding them to come on the show? So I was worried about this. And I feel like from an audience perspective, it's always like, well, how did they not know? This is lies.

Starting point is 00:33:56 Like what, like too hot to handle after the first season, you got to know it's too hot to handle. I went on X on the beach MTV. And before that, I kind of knew already what X's were coming on. Cause I would call them and be like, oh, by the way, I'm going on the Beach MTV and before that I kind of knew already what X's were coming on because I would call them and be like, oh by the way I'm going on the show. You're doing it in a month. Yeah, literally. So I was worried about that because I thought I wanted to be natural,

Starting point is 00:34:13 whatever, but the casting process took a year. Really? So they were constantly like, because I even spoke to them to understand how it works, but they picked five or six sneaky links from each person they wanted to be an original on the show. And then they would vet them for months and months and then it would be like so carefully curated that none of them actually knew. It was like genuine shock and surprise. Some of them didn't even want to continue filming. It was like, I do not want this. I did not come here for this.

Starting point is 00:34:46 When their sneaky link showed up. Yeah. Oh, that's because they didn't, you can know that because they've been terrible to that person. Well, it's not an ex. I did not sign up to get exposed. Did any of them have like relationships

Starting point is 00:34:58 and they were like cheating on that relationship with this sneaky link and maybe that relationship ended or something like, was there any of that kind of canoodling going on? I don't think necessarily that exact scenario, but the morals, the values, the boundaries and everything in between, everything's blurred. From your perspective, how many of the people who didn't want to date their sneaky link didn't want to date them becauseaky Link didn't want to date them because they didn't perceive them to be their physical match or equal?

Starting point is 00:35:29 Quite a few of them. Yeah. That was maybe the number one reason, do you think, from your perspective? That was very hard to watch because no one wants... Listen, exes and Sneaky Links, completely different. An ex is someone that you've introduced to your family, you've gone out into the wild with them, you've posted them on social media, and then all of a sudden it's like sneaky links,

Starting point is 00:35:47 you don't want anyone to see them. It's like, there's a reason you don't want the world to know that you're together. So yeah, it does get, I cried multiple times. Crying? Yeah, because it's just, it's hard, because as a woman it's like, and especially, as a guy as well, but I've got a vagina,

Starting point is 00:36:04 so as a woman, I've been through, it's so relatable because I've been through every single fucking scenario that's on the show. You want to be like, come here, it's okay. Please, just leave him. Will we learn anything from watching the show or is it just a fun, hot, messy mess? I wouldn't have gone on the show as a host if it wasn't adding some value to like relationships as a whole because otherwise I would literally just break boundaries and do whatever I wanted to do. But you would have joined the cast. Yeah, I literally would have joined the cast.

Starting point is 00:36:34 Spicy Mari is the relationship expert. So she is someone who has a method that she brings people on the show with me and she sits down and we have this like link low down at the end of the episodes. And she like rips him a new butt hole. She's like, this is what you're doing wrong. You're breaking boundaries. You're pressing her buttons. This is toxic. This is what you need to change.

Starting point is 00:36:56 This is what you need to do. So yeah, you do. You do learn. Oh, some growth, okay. Yeah. Okay. Oh, I'm so- Growth in all areas.

Starting point is 00:37:03 Did you watch Temptation Island? Yes, and I watched the whole of your reunion episode. Oh, did you? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'm so- Growth in all areas. Did you watch Temptation Island? Yes. And I watched the whole of your reunion episode. Oh, did you? Yeah. Yeah. What did you think? How do you think this compares to that?

Starting point is 00:37:13 Because that was a massive smash hit, particularly around the messiness. Yeah. I think two completely separate shows, two completely different shows, the same kind of blueprint in dating, but Temptation Island. Oh my God, I loved it. I binge watched it in, I think, less than two days. I didn't sleep. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:37:34 Yeah. I loved it, but I was angry. Yeah. Whilst watching it, I'm like, ah! What made you the angriest? Rhythmic water slapping. Literally. That'll get you.

Starting point is 00:37:44 That'll get you every time. Yeah. Him in the shower with the, What made you the angriest? Rhythmic water slapping? Literally. That'll get you. That'll get you every time. Him in the shower with the, and they didn't have the camera for the threesome and all it said was rhythmic water slapping. Oh really? All I heard was the birds chirping. Oh no, the sun's come out.

Starting point is 00:38:00 And then they're all like, all right, bye. Literally. But I think with that show, the pain point was, oh, bye. Yeah, no, literally. But I think with that show, the pain point was, oh, if this was my boyfriend, I would be fuming. Whereas with Sneaky Links, the pain point is, oh my God, this is what I do in the outside world and this is why I haven't found love yet.

Starting point is 00:38:17 Right. So like this different- Oh, do you think it's a bit of a mirror for people watching? Yeah, there's different pain points in different shows. What did you think about yourself after hosting the show? Have you ever been a Sneaky Link or Sneaky Linked? Yeah, I mean, I've been a Sneaky Link. No, I have never been the Sneaky Link, I don't think.

Starting point is 00:38:34 No one's been embarrassed of you. I'm trying to be humble. I've never had a cloying beach people. You'd be surprised. There's no way. You'd be surprised. They're all like, we're dating. She's like, God, no, please, please don't say that.

Starting point is 00:38:45 No, I'm not. Please. No, I'm not. Hide behind the plant. Yeah. So you've, you've hidden a boy before? Yeah. Why?

Starting point is 00:38:53 I know women. When I, when I first was like, I think I'm bi, it was a sneaky, linky relationship. It lasted a year. Well, that makes sense. Yeah. But I learned a lot from that because now I understand that I shouldn't have done that. But yeah, sneaky Lincoln, it's not the way forward.

Starting point is 00:39:09 Was it hard to host this kind of show? Did you find yourself kind of picking and choosing your favorites? Yeah, I mean, a few people did grow on me on the show. Only from a storyline perspective though, because when you're... I respect someone's craft. And by craft you mean how they're able to manipulate? I think the way that they're able to direct themselves in a narrative of, okay, I know that the show

Starting point is 00:39:38 is about sneaky links and growth. And I feel like some of the men did have a lot of growth. A couple didn't, you know? Yeah. Which one did you want to have sex with? Um. Um. Um.

Starting point is 00:39:53 Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um.

Starting point is 00:40:00 Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. head, not in reality. I think everyone would wanna have sex with the same person. So you watch it, you would probably wanna have sex with the same person that I do.

Starting point is 00:40:11 Was he the toxic one or the one who learned? He's the toxic one, yeah. Okay, okay. But I'm in therapy. Thank God. Okay, I'm in therapy. And because of this show, I want to go to college. Really?

Starting point is 00:40:27 Say more. I want to study psychology. The whole thing's been mad for me. For education. TV, no more. No more TV. I'll be in your doctor's office. I'll see you in Jalemba.

Starting point is 00:40:35 So what do you want to go to school for? I want to study like psychology. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because if I hope. You want to learn the brain of the toxicity. The difference between sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists,

Starting point is 00:40:43 narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, narcissists, What do you go to school for? I wanna study like psychology. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Cause if I had- It means you wanna learn the brain of the toxicity. The difference between sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissism, gaslighting. I know that the last time we had a conversation about that when I was on the podcast. Oh, did I?

Starting point is 00:40:55 Gaslighting is such an overly used term. It is. It is. Buzzword. It frustrates him, I love it. Every time I bring it up. It's not like when people water down the meaning of meaningful words.

Starting point is 00:41:04 Yeah. You know, because they do exist. Not everyone who made you mad as a narcissist, you know. I think I'm starting to learn that. I'm like, oh, he's probably not textbook. Selfish? Possibly, for sure. Just a terrible person. For you.

Starting point is 00:41:22 But not for everyone else. Who knows? Because I'm biased. His mom might think he's great. Yeah. Yeah. What else have you been up to? What have I been up to?

Starting point is 00:41:32 I literally moved to America. Oh my God. I live here now. Welcome. Yeah, thank you. I won Visa. You can't get rid of me for three years now. Well, thank God.

Starting point is 00:41:41 I have been learning the ropes of America and dating and finding my feet. Have you found yourself at a Raising Canes? Oh yeah, every Wednesday. Perfect. What is the biggest difference dating in America versus dating in the UK? I feel like men in America are very straightforward in the beginning. They're like, oh, I love you.

Starting point is 00:42:03 You're so good looking. Like, oh, I'm going to treat you like a queen. I'm a gentleman that you've always needed. And then a month down the line, you're like, he's not called me in two days. What's going on? So I think the men in the UK are very hard to get, but the men in America are very easily, they approach you quicker. Is that called love bombing? very easily, they approach you quicker. Is that called love bombing? Nick's like, stop using those words. Sorry about your buzzwords, but they're like,

Starting point is 00:42:31 everything I wanna put you on a pedestal, I love you so much, but then. If you're saying I love you with the intent to get laid, and you don't, you know, yeah, kind of, yeah. Can you fall in love and fall out of love that quickly? Well, I think there are people who just get excited and are emotionally immature and they actually maybe think they're in love.

Starting point is 00:42:50 Yeah. And then like a week later, like, no, I guess I just wanna have sex with you. What is the most American thing you've been doing since you've been here? The most American thing? Driving on the opposite side of the road. Bloody hell.

Starting point is 00:43:04 The first six months I was petrified. You're swerving and ongoing traffic. All of y'all are wrong. I was getting in the wrong side of the car every time. My friends are like, what are you doing? You guys in what, Libya? There's like two countries, you know. Libya or Libya?

Starting point is 00:43:19 There's an African country I believe that drives on the wrong side of the road. Majora or Menorah? That's what I'm like. Wait. What's Menorah? But you guys are the odd man out. The inner, I believe. Libya menorah, I believe, is the inner and Libya menorah is the... A country.

Starting point is 00:43:28 Oh, well, or your vagina. I thought we were talking about countries. We thought you said vaginas. Nick said Libya and you said labia? Because there's a... Okay, right. I get the connect now. Is it really only Australia in the United States?

Starting point is 00:43:36 Yeah. I think it's the United States. I think it's the United States. I think it's the United States. I think it's the United States. I think it's the United States. I think it's the United States. I think it's the United States.

Starting point is 00:43:44 I think it's the United States. I think it's the United States. I think it's the United States. I think it's the United labia. Because there's that okay right I get the connect now. Is it really only Australia in. I don't think it's Australia. I don't think Australia drives on it. No. I think it's just the UK. The left side of the road. Correct. It's gotta be more places than that. It says United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, India, Japan and many Caribbean islands. That's Yeah, New Zealand does. I've been there. What am I talking about? But other than that, I don't know. I mean, you have a lot of holidays. Are you having like, bread chicken,

Starting point is 00:44:10 a lot of sauce, a lot of... All of it. Yeah. I feel like you just have to drive everywhere. There's not really much to do. So wait, back to the British boys. Like they just, they're, are they mean at first? Are they hard to read?

Starting point is 00:44:22 Hard to read, mean. And it stays pretty consistent. So what I'm hearing is the UK men are just upfront sucky. Yes. And the American men pretend not to be sucky at first, but then you eventually find out they're also sucky. Yes. Okay.

Starting point is 00:44:37 Yes. So all of them just suck at the end of the day? Only the ones that I have met. Okay. How many do you feel like you've met personally in your go-round? Do you know what? I think I don't. Okay. In the, in general as a whole or just in America?

Starting point is 00:44:58 Very broad question. I think as a whole. Okay. All of them? Met a few. Yeah. Quite a few. I think, yeah, it's almost like homework for me. Well, back to school. Exactly. I need to understand the minds of men. If I had

Starting point is 00:45:15 children, I would definitely say travel the world, date men, have sex with a condom, obviously. But you don't have to wait months to have sex with someone I don't think, you know? Do you feel like that messes with the chances of maybe having something? Because I know a lot of women are always like, oh, you can't have sex on the first date. They'll think I'm easy. They won't date me. Do you think that's valid or do you think that's all in our women's heads?

Starting point is 00:45:39 No, I think 50-50. I think it all depends on the vibes of the date. I mean, if you're emotionally mature enough to understand that you're an adult, he's an adult, you're vibing, he's sexy, you're sexy, and it's like, okay, this is, I just want to have sex with you. I think you're allowed to do that, you're an adult, as long as it's consensual. But then on the flip hand, if it's like you just, me, I'm going to talk on my perspective, me going out there and just being like, I just want to have sex with everyone. I'm allowed to do that, but is it going to be perceived as, okay, she probably doesn't

Starting point is 00:46:14 want something serious. Yeah. I don't know. It's valid. Yeah. Yeah, it's valid. Nick, what's your take on that? I think timelines are useless.

Starting point is 00:46:24 I think a guy will wait, guys love a goal. Give him six months, he'll wait six months. Give him two days, he'll wait two days. I think if you- Six date. I think if you, like you said it perfectly, if you wanna have sex, you should have sex because that's how you're gonna get a sex. If you're having sex

Starting point is 00:46:38 because you think he'll like you more, he won't. No. He never will. Definitely not. He'll like you more by not having sex. Yeah, definitely. Once they have sex with you, he's like, oh, I guess I just wanted to have sex with you. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:47 Men don't know that until after they have sex with you, but they think they're- Interested until they're in to it. Kinda, you know, they just- And then they're like, hmm. Then they're like, hmm, actually, probably not. You know that thing I was- I don't think I have this.

Starting point is 00:47:02 I'm not seeing a future. I'm not seeing a future. I'm not seeing a future. I'm not seeing a future. Won't be a second date. Just checking the oil. They're like, nah, nah, nah, not gonna happen. And that can happen even if you make him wait six weeks or six dates. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:19 Honestly, I think what we've learned is men are disgusting. Yeah, we're. Honestly. And we are just so lovely. You know what I'm saying? Women are so attractive and sexy. Yes. And we smell good. We do. We have soft, supple skin. Yeah. Only if we moisturize. Mine's pretty scaly right now. I'm not gonna lie. Must you moisturize. But you smell amazingaly right now, I'm not going to lie. But you smell amazing. Do you know what expectation I hate? And I want to know about you girls, right? I shave

Starting point is 00:47:51 every two days. Sorry, Nick. Women conversations. Why are you apologizing? No, because like, TMI, shaving. That seems like a lot. Sometimes it gets, no, because I get, like my legs, my hair is like black. I've only got highlights in it to lighten it up. Yeah. Bridge into the wire.

Starting point is 00:48:10 So I have to shave all the time. Nick will make like, like, if I do this, will you shave your legs yet? Or no? I love that it's a negotiation compromise. It's like, if I go that it's a negotiation compromise. It's like, if I go and get you a coffee this morning, will you maybe shave your legs when you take a shower? Or no?

Starting point is 00:48:32 I'm like, I don't think today is the day for that. I'll try again tomorrow. But make sure it's iced. Yeah, you shave every two days. I have to. And that's the expectation that you hate is that like to be like, yeah, because if my armpits get a little bit hairy, I'm like, if I want to go to a club and I put my hands up, people are going to look at me and blank. But then should I care? No. Why do I care? I don't know. Because we're

Starting point is 00:49:00 conditioned. We're conditioned that way. I saw a TikTok of a man and he said something about like, women always being like, oh, I haven't shaved, I haven't shaved. And he was like, I eat the sticker on an apple. Lay down. You do. It's so true though, they don't care. Y'all don't care.

Starting point is 00:49:18 So like, you know, why do I care? I don't. Nick made me get a massage once and- Made you? What kind of monster am I? No, he told. Nick made me get a massage once and, uh, Made you? What kind of monster am I? No, he told me. Made also like a massage. That's a great, that's a great thing to do.

Starting point is 00:49:29 I love it. But he didn't tell me that it wasn't a massage. It was a, it was a lymphatic stretch. So I, me and my Bush walked into that room and she had my leg all the way up here and my Bush was in her face. Oh no. So that's something that we as a couple did have to work through. I actually walked in on my mum giving my neighbour a full on Brazilian wax.

Starting point is 00:49:50 Neighbour? When I was younger. Oh my god. And I thought, oh my mum's, she's lesbian. She's cheating on my dad. She's going to. She's got her face, because my neighbour was like laying on the couch legs up. My mum was like down there.

Starting point is 00:50:04 I walked in, I must have been six years old or something and I've walked out and gone, oh no. I'm like planning the divorce. My dad's going to leave and this is going to happen. You know when you're a kid and you're sat in your bedroom and you're like, oh no, I've got the weight of the world on my shoulders. What am I going to tell him?? Who's gonna take the dogs? The neighbor's like, ah, ah, ah. Oh no, they're having so much fun in there. The neighbor's literally crying. The funny thing is I only brought it up to her a little while ago. I was like, mom, because I'm in therapy. I said, that was a very traumatizing moment for me. And she said, obviously, I kind of knew that she was just waxing for me. And she said, obviously I kind

Starting point is 00:50:45 of knew that she was just waxing her vagina, but she went, I didn't actually realize that you'd walked in. Otherwise I would have like said something. I said, yeah, that was a bit weird that you didn't say anything, but she didn't know that I walked in. But she was so just knee deep in the coot. She didn't realize you had entered the room. You're like, and neither did the neighbor. You're not making eye contact with your mom at dinner. You're like, Maybe that's why I shave. You don't want anyone to think you're cheating.

Starting point is 00:51:13 No. It looks like a very fun show and we're excited that you are a part of it. It's Sneaky Links. It's out tomorrow on Netflix. Check it out if you are in the mood for some scandalous dating hookups, some secrets, some sneaky links.

Starting point is 00:51:31 This is the show for you. And congratulations on hosting the show. Very cool experience. Oh, I appreciate you guys. What was that call like? I cried. First of all, I didn't even think I was gonna get it. Like one of the execs from Netflix called me and he's like, Chloe, because over the years they've pitched loads

Starting point is 00:51:49 of shows. They're like, we want you to do this. We want you to do that. And it gets to a point where you become disheartened. You're like, it's just never going to happen. Okay, whatever. I'm just going to stop waxing vaginas. I got the call and they said, Chloe, we've got a show. It's like in development right now. We want you to be the host. And I'm like, okay. But then I didn't get too excited. A couple of weeks later they were like, okay, the dates locked in. Then the negotiations started happening. Like I haven't been paid as much as I've been paid from any show, even combined to host. Then now I'm like, okay. I think I could do this forever. I'm part of the biz.

Starting point is 00:52:28 Exactly. Yeah. And then it must be cool because obviously Netflix has a plethora of talent that I'm sure many of them were, you know, you're competing a little bit with your peers is what I'm saying. It's always like a motivation. You got a job that many of them wish they would have gotten, right? you're competing a little bit with your peers is what I'm saying. And then like, you know, you- There's always like a- It's almost like a motivation. You got a job that many of them wish they would have gotten, right?

Starting point is 00:52:49 I mean, I did get that envious feeling when Melinda done her dating related, and I was like, oh, I would love to do that. No, envy isn't the right word. It's almost like, oh wow, like, cause- Motivation. Yeah, it was motivating because no one had ever done it before.

Starting point is 00:53:04 No one's ever really been talent tent host on Netflix. Now there's a couple people and now I am, I'm like, oh, okay. I just hope it gets a second season. So please watch it guys. Please watch it. Stream, stream, stream, stream, stream. All right, well, watch it, check it out. Sounds like you guys are going to love it.

Starting point is 00:53:21 We're excited to watch it. It's out tomorrow. Chloe, other than on Netflix, where can people find you? You can find me on Instagram, TikTok, Chloe Veach. All right. V-E-I-T-C-H. Well, thanks for coming, Chloe. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:53:36 Okay, well, questions asked and answered. It's gonna sound, if nothing else, I think it's gonna be hot people hooking up, so. I'll be watching. Which is always beautiful. Subscribe. Always fun to watch. Let's do Summer House. Did Lexi carry this season?

Starting point is 00:53:49 Yeah, she gave us the drama. Honestly, yeah. If it wasn't for Lexi, we wouldn't have the drama with Sierra and Jesse. I mean, honestly. Sierra, Jesse, Wes, Jesse. Like, I'm like, there's just, it's not even like that there's like atomic bombs

Starting point is 00:54:04 being blown up, it's just like little fires. Yeah, we care about anything else not really No, why there hasn't been really any other interesting storylines Well, we had the like page and Craig breakup kind of in the beginning But then it's like that story lens completely dropped off Did you catch what she said in this episode when she's like, I'm in a happy healthy relationship I was like, oh, I just never see him. Yeah. Well, we did have, I feel like the moment where Lindsay brought up

Starting point is 00:54:29 her like anniversary of her breakup post. She activated. Either it was the producers going to Lindsay or Lindsay going to the producers and being like, can I, I just, give me this. I just, I've been living in a room, not being a part of this season, doing absolutely nothing. Or maybe the producers are like hey

Starting point is 00:54:45 You know like can we get a little something from you? I know you're like, you know all about happy healthy Lindsay keeping your peace Can you just be petty for no reason for a second? I mean completely do we agree this is like an absurd video for her to post the caption was absolutely absurd But it kind of like feels like I think she's completely over Carl, but I don't think she's over just taking the jobs at Carl, because I'm like, what other reason are we doing gender reveal? Maybe so. Also, West has never been more afraid for his life

Starting point is 00:55:17 when he was like, I read your post, and she was like, okay, and he was like, I didn't see it, but I read it, and she was like, so you didn't see it, but you read it, and he's like, well, I didn't, and she's like, is, and he was like, I didn't see it, but I read it, and she was like, so you didn't see it, but you read it, and he's like, well, I didn't, and she's like, is there something you wanna say? He's like, well, no. He's like, literally no.

Starting point is 00:55:32 Literally like he was, panic. Well, let me ask you this, what's the line of fucking move on, versus you get to keep telling him, at some point, and as someone, I'm just saying, I know what it's like to be Carl. Yeah, I felt bad for Carl at the dinner where I'm just like, first off, you brought the sandwiches,

Starting point is 00:55:51 and she's like, I brought better sandwiches. Yeah, but like, Lindsay is pregnant with someone else's child, and Carl did do her a favor, and Carl, despite her hating it in the moment and her graciously coming on this show to talk mad shit about Carl post-breakup, which we all appreciated, she should be thanking Carl in a genuine way,

Starting point is 00:56:11 not in a petty sort of like, I've moved on despite. I don't think she's in a genuine place quite yet. Whatever, she doesn't have to really think, but the reality is that she is having someone else's baby that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Carl like maybe seeing the light. All that being said, like I'm just saying, I know what it's like to be Carl

Starting point is 00:56:26 and having people just like not get over the fact that someday in this lifetime, you two had some kind of connection and that connection's fucking over and maybe we can just move on and maybe you can find a different way to get engagement or clicks. I'm just saying, I know what it's like

Starting point is 00:56:42 and it's pretty fucking annoying. But also you do have to put in context that this is a Year less than a year after the breakup. It's a year a year I mean, but they but they've been filming before this episode for a while So it was less than a year that she's been like back living with her ex-fiance I'm sure she's retriggered by a lot of things It's only been less than a year. She's carrying a child.

Starting point is 00:57:06 But she hasn't given birth yet, she hasn't had that connection of like, oh my God, this is what I was carrying, I can't even think about my life before, now having held this baby. She's kinda like back living with her ex, back getting re-triggered by everything he did, it was only like 10, 11 months ago.

Starting point is 00:57:24 If I'm the new boyfriend, hate it. Turner seems to be very chill. Maybe so. I have to kind of agree with Nick here in the sense that I'm like, we made choices. I don't think that anybody should have to not be on this show based off of an ex or based off of a relationship or it's anybody's responsibility, but you did make a choice to come on and spend your pregnant summer with the ex-fiancee who you claim to have humiliated you.

Starting point is 00:57:49 So I'm like, it just seems like these are just like a dig after dig, week after week of like, how do I make Carl uncomfortable in this house? I love it. And I'm just like, I don't, I just, it's, it's kind of me. Funny. It is. Well, it's also like Lindsay's, when the reveal of Lindsay like coming back pregnant with another guy's baby to her ex boyfriend, Carl, and living with him. All I want to see in that as a viewer is mess.

Starting point is 00:58:13 Listen, again, in the terms of this show, it was a funny moment. I'm just saying, practically speaking, it's... Like Carl throwing jabs too. Carl's like, she's not over it. Well, she's not over it. Well, she's not. But he's not throwing jabs. That's just like his reaction. He's tried to apologize. He tried to be like, hey, let's be cool this summer. I know, I just want to see them throw more jabs at each other.

Starting point is 00:58:34 That's what I want. That's where I'm like, she's pregnant with somebody else's baby. Like doing this, it'd be one thing if not or she wasn't in a new relationship, then fine. But I'm just like, enjoy being pregnant. Enjoy your new relationship. The fine, but I'm just like, enjoy being pregnant, enjoy your new relationship. The conversation that this episode opened up with,

Starting point is 00:58:48 with Sierra and Jesse having some kind of serious friend, heart to heart. If you're doing that with someone of the opposite sex that's not your girlfriend, and you are supposedly in a new dating situation, and you're pursuing a relationship. Couldn't be me. I'm just saying that conversation that Sierra and Jesse had,

Starting point is 00:59:08 like someone wants to have sex with someone in that scenario. There's just no point to have that serious of a conversation about each other's feelings and how one person might feel disrespected or needs you to prioritize them some. I did that as- I will say they clearly had a friendship for a while.

Starting point is 00:59:27 I mean, they met last year, they've had a friendship. I mean, I think like the whole time, if Jesse, I would take it a little bit more serious if we hadn't watched Jesse so overly flirt with her for the past two years, two summers. Like, I feel like maybe I would have taken that conversation a little bit more to the heart where it's like, oh no, he just genuinely like misses

Starting point is 00:59:48 his friend Sierra and he doesn't like that they're in this like weird limbo friendship where she's kind of being mean to him and he like doesn't understand why. But it does raise some flags when like you definitely want to fuck her and like you have been nonstop flirting with her. You've crossed very many boundaries when you're supposed to be in a relationship with Lexi.

Starting point is 01:00:09 So if I'm Lexi, I'm also like, this is a weird conversation to be having. And I also have to say, I'm like, it doesn't feel like Jesse was like so much upset about like where his friendship is with Sierra as much as he was upset about the names that he was being called. He was like, I hurt my feelings. You called me two-faced. You called me a liar. And it's like, but you are

Starting point is 01:00:28 two-faced and you are a liar. So where did she stutter? What does she apologize for? Yeah. I mean, just he doesn't want to be like the type of liar that women call a narcissist or a monster or whatever. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's about like, you're cock blocking me for the future. He's like, I know I'm a liar, but. I know I'm supposed to be in this committed relationship with Lexi, and I know that we're really good friends, but like, you guys were really cock blocking me

Starting point is 01:00:50 for when the season ends. That's how that felt. Yeah. Jesse's never gonna change. No. He's never gonna have to. Also, Kyle, that was dirty. What part?

Starting point is 01:01:00 Where Kyle goes to Lexi and he's like, were you talking about Sierra? Cause that whole thing up there was about Sierra. And like, it really was the one comment. I liked it. He did the right thing. I kind of liked it too. Hmm. It felt very like Kyle's stirring the pot. See, and that's the thing in the past, he usually he does, but he's like messy with it.

Starting point is 01:01:17 But I'm just like, I don't know for me, I'm like, I would appreciate knowing that the man that I'm sitting here, like debating whether or not I'm going to stay with literally just ran right behind me and goes, this is why she broke up with me and that Sierra comment came out of nowhere Unless production edited it out. That's fair. Like Lexi said she said I didn't mention Sierra's name once outside I wonder if she said it like in person after you know Like maybe not in that conversation But had said it to him in person when they were hanging out in between the US Open and coming to film for Summer House.

Starting point is 01:01:48 And he's like using that. But this is the problem I have with Jesse, is that it's like the question that was asked was what was that conversation outside about? And he was like, she's mad that I had a nice time with Sierra. Not what she said. Not the conversation that was had.

Starting point is 01:02:01 You couldn't wait to throw her under the bus and have everybody on your side and fuck that girl. And like, that's what I don't like about him. He is two-faced. He'll never change though, you know what? Did you, him talking, everything that he says is the most like, eye roll comment. I mean, him talking about Paige,

Starting point is 01:02:21 I don't know where I saw a clip of it. He was talking about Paige, about how she's the funniest girl ever and she's so relatable, she'll go out and she'll order a Coke, not a Diet Coke, but a Coke, a regular Coke. And it's like, okay? Him talking about his exes, he's like, yeah,

Starting point is 01:02:40 and none of them were just excited about their careers. None of them were, what do you do, Jesse? First of all, we talked to Lexi for 90 minutes. She seemed very excited about her career. We learned a lot about Lexi. There's a lot going on. Sounds like we had a conversation that Jesse never had with her.

Starting point is 01:02:57 Right, about herself. About herself. Yeah. Literally. I guess he'll never change because Professor Scott Galloway, I'm a fan of his work. He talks a lot about like the digitization. Digitization?

Starting point is 01:03:12 Yeah, of internet dating and how it's made dating for women, for all women, just a little bit worse. Oh yeah. And then made for a small percentage of men, Jesse. A little bit better? Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Because everyone online thinks they have access

Starting point is 01:03:28 to the 1% available to them, the six foot four. People who make a little bit of money and then it's just trash for all the average. I guess the average, an average looking man, so average is whatever you think it is, has to swipe right a thousand times to get one coffee date and then four out of five of those women will ghost him. While Jesse Sullivan is up there just being like,

Starting point is 01:03:50 and he can just, he'll get unlimited chances to be masked. I feel like maybe not after this, I don't know. He still will. Or maybe he'll get more. No, he still will. Yeah, he'll probably eat them up in one. He's getting eaten alive for this music drop. On the internet, but when he walks out in New York, there'll always be plenty of people

Starting point is 01:04:05 who think they can change him. It's the one who's talked the most shit about him too. That's gonna be like, hey. Oh my God, you can't believe that I hooked him with that disgusting slime ball. You went for it. Anyways, congratulations Lexi. You really handed yourself quite well

Starting point is 01:04:18 throughout this season. And that's how you break up with someone. Finale's next week. So I'm excited to see how this ends. All right, Secret lives of Mormon wives time before we get to the interview of Jessie and Michaela. You know, Miranda, maybe it's just like rookie season. You know, we enjoyed our conversation

Starting point is 01:04:37 of going deeper with her. She gave a lot there, but she seemed to be kind of afraid of all the women this season. Understand Mary. Well, they weren't the most welcoming. Yeah. Bad intro.

Starting point is 01:04:47 They're like dance, let's see what you got. That does seem like one of the most terrifying environments to have to enter into as a newbie. Like the one person you know is the person you had a falling out with. Because you are in each other's husbands kind of had a thing or not. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:03 Huge public fallout, information exposed about you against your will. Your one ally is Whitney. Yeah, dwarf. Maybe. That must be a little frustrating on Miranda's part of just kind of like, bitch, I was a fucking OG. I started this shit.

Starting point is 01:05:16 Yeah. Literally. Like y'all about to tell me I can't be in Mom Talk when I like helped create this. Well, that's why it was so funny to me at the beginning of the first episode where it was just like, oh my God, wait is that Miranda? Oh my God, like she was in Mom Talk

Starting point is 01:05:29 and it was just like girls don't act like you haven't seen her. Like we remember the contracts. Yeah but I don't think we realize when like this group of women who make up this show are a small percentage of all the moms of Utah in Salt Lake City and the aspiring mom talkers are, we've learned talking to these women, like there's a lot of them.

Starting point is 01:05:50 There's thousands of them. So even though like Taylor knew Miranda, I honestly don't think a lot of these women like they weren't like friends with her, like they didn't fuck with her. So I think for a lot of them like it was their first time meeting her. Maybe not the first time meeting, I don't know about that, but I don't think it was like this person they've been hanging out with on the regular on the side and then they pretended to not know her coming in. I'm just saying, like, I didn't know anything about mom talk.

Starting point is 01:06:14 I mean, I knew mom talk before Secret Lives, but like I knew Taylor, Miranda, and Camille were like the originators of it when it started. Sure, that's because like this all started through the scandal, which I think a lot of these women, like the Demise and the Gens, weren't a part of that scandal and weren't friends. I don't, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:06:30 Like this group came together after the fact, so. Was Camille not involved in the swinging? She was just, it was a trio kind of. Yeah, it was Miranda, Camille, and Taylor, and then she, yeah. Because people speculated it was Camille when Taylor did that original like. Tick-tock live, but then it was like Miranda that came out being like, those

Starting point is 01:06:48 are lies. There was like the whole like negotiations for casting or something. And remember it was like, they were talking about Miranda and Camille, like saying like, I would never do that or whatever. Cause I don't want, don't want to be on a show with Taylor. But like, I'm glad she's on it. Yeah. But like, I'm glad she's on it. Yeah. Also the dinner at Taylor's parents' house

Starting point is 01:07:09 when Dakota comes. It's a tough watch. I was so mad. That was hard. I wanted to turn off the TV. That was hard. What did you do like to allow him to come over and sleep when I was like, oh.

Starting point is 01:07:18 Her dad like calling her easy was, that was tough. I was watching trauma, wounds being opened. It was also tough to like, and I don't obviously know their dynamic, but to like not see her sisters or her mom be like, oh, that was a little far, honey. Maybe, maybe let's not go there.

Starting point is 01:07:35 I mean. And it was also like the comparison of like, yeah, he may have cheated on you, but you let him come over to your house after the fact. And she's like, I didn't fucking know. This is why I want you to be on my side. What he did to me was fucked. Yeah, it's tough.

Starting point is 01:07:49 I know, we now see Taylor though, obviously defending her family in the comments. I don't wanna like, I mean, inappropriate for sure. Tough, tough watch. Definitely would have loved Dakota to have stood up for his lady in that moment. Anyone to stand up. But especially Dakota.

Starting point is 01:08:03 I mean, like, I mean, when, you know. Well, Dakota, we watched Dakota time after time, a Halloween party he'm gonna stand up for his lady in that moment. Anyone to stand up. But especially Dakota. I mean, like, I mean, when, you know, like it is. We watched Dakota time after time, Halloween party he doesn't stand up for. I mean, he's like him and Chase are going at Taylor. Like he does not stand up for her. I know, it is a weird moment though. I mean, we've talked about this, but when you were pregnant on Thanksgiving

Starting point is 01:08:19 and it was the first time I had experienced like men in your family making like remarks about like. Her body. Your body, which wasn't met maliciously, but it was the first time I had experienced men in your family making remarks about your body, which wasn't meant maliciously. And it wasn't like I had to confront them, but I made some remarks about their comments in a passive, aggressive way, which was weird to do, but still necessary. Right. That's not nice.

Starting point is 01:08:42 Yeah. I think it's like, what's with all the guys in this family? Like commenting on pregnant women's bodies? And I kind of said that aloud and they all kind of awkwardly. Her brother was very kind and handled it appropriately after the fact. But yeah, he just doesn't. Yeah. Dakota doesn't. It's almost like he like not like he enjoys it happening to Taylor,

Starting point is 01:08:59 but it's like he enjoys the support for himself that it's just like we're being on the same side as somebody else, that it's just like he just does not have her back no matter what. Which I, listen, I think what we know about Dakota and Taylor is they are antagonistic with each other. I mean, we've all been in those types of relationships where you just, you know, it's the hurt people hurt people and they're constantly hurting each other.

Starting point is 01:09:19 And I think they both feel like a victim of the other person. So, you know, they can't get out of how they feel victimized in this relationship. You know, they can't see the forest through the trees. Right. You know? I mean, and Taylor, that whole scene where she's going through the text message,

Starting point is 01:09:35 like, it's gonna be, Taylor's always so in control when she's activated. I think that's why we love Taylor so much. You can tell she's triggered, but like she has this level of calmness that makes her seem so very in control. Like when she's going through the text messages or when she's confronting one of the ladies,

Starting point is 01:09:52 she never loses it completely. Until it's that time. That was a second ago. But even then she's articulate. She doesn't lose her composure. So many people do. But she gets everything out and then we cry. But it's like she's not doing anything a step before.

Starting point is 01:10:06 I can't remember what episode it was. Maybe it was Halloween, but it was like somebody was like narrating her confrontation being like, she's cocking her head to the side. You know what that means? Taylor's getting activated. And it's like these tells where it's like, she's processing, she's taking in everything.

Starting point is 01:10:20 And then when she strikes, it's so beautiful. It is. Well, she does like a head nod. She's like, oh yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Her eyes get all like. She's incredible.

Starting point is 01:10:29 I am reading, I am processing, and I'm about to eviscerate you. Yeah. The best part is watching these women attempt to go after Taylor and then she does the whole, yeah, yeah? And they're like. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:41 I love you. I wish I could, God, to be able to eviscerate someone like that is the coolest thing. Like... It's like... I'm... I'm... Yeah. I love you. I wish I could, God, to be able to eviscerate someone like that is the coolest thing ever. It's a skill. It's a skill. I do not have it and I kind of wish I did. I would only use it for good.

Starting point is 01:10:54 Is Demi trying too hard so far? Yeah. From like... Did she come into the season feeling like a little confident about her position in MomTalk? As a fan favorite. Yeah. Is it possible?

Starting point is 01:11:07 And it's like this, the competing with Taylor, where I'm like, Taylor's just on her own tip. She's really not focused on what's going on in the other girl's lives outside of herself. And then it's like, Demi is just so focused on what everyone else is doing. Fuck Jen, Jen doesn't tell the truth. Taylor's behavior, it's just like,

Starting point is 01:11:24 why don't you just take a beat? Yeah, but even, I don't mind the shit talking, because even like, Mikaela is talking more shit this season. Jesse is louder this season. But they seem to be doing it in a way that doesn't come across as trying to reclaim a position. That's what I was gonna say. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:11:40 Demi's doing that thing where she's trying to have like secret cahoots with other people, so everyone's on the same page when I confront this person, you have my back. Where Michaela's just like, I don't need to sit around, I could talk shit behind your back, but I also will say it straight to your face

Starting point is 01:11:53 in the moment, no hesitation. I'm like, Demi is kind of sneaky about it and then tries to act like it's like, oh, well, everybody feels this way, but I didn't originate this thought, where she did, and she's not owning that. But we'll hear Jessie's version of the whole contract negotiations. But when they talk about it in the next batch of episodes,

Starting point is 01:12:11 the way to me is just like, no, it's just like we there was just like a misunderstanding and like everything's fine now. And then when we hear Jesse's version, she's like, she did what? He said what? You know, it's two different versions. For sheep and a wolf and sheep's clothing is what Demi is giving for me this season. It's good to watch.

Starting point is 01:12:30 Yeah, as I said, I'm entertained, I am hooked. I have not been able to stop watching it. I'm already ready to rewatch it. I was like, I'm gonna wait for the finale. I had to get through the whole thing. There was no way that I would stop being at episode nine. It was so good. I don't know what they all,

Starting point is 01:12:44 like Jessie and Demi's big problem with Jen is. They're trying, why are they trying so hard to take out Jen? I don't know, unless it's this whole, like, Demi Vanderpump villa stuff, because I was like, Jen hasn't done anything. I mean, the whole, like, her talking to Zach and her being like, well, you told me that

Starting point is 01:13:01 we were related to Ben Affleck. And he's like, I never said that. You made that up. And she's like, no, you told me. And he's like, I never said that, you made that up. And she's like, no, you told me. And he's like, I literally never said that. But that's like literally Jen's biggest crime, which is like leaning into a silly rumor. Which you know, I'm sure his family has been like,

Starting point is 01:13:15 the Afflecks, oh yeah, like they're our cousin. Like I'm sure that when they first met, it was like a joke that maybe she wasn't under the impression it was a joke. And sweet little Mormon Jen was this like really, oh my God, yes. I'm getting an aphle. Yeah, we're famous.

Starting point is 01:13:31 They didn't anticipate Jen being famous and telling the world, and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, actually we're just kidding. Right, she ruined that whole family's reputation back in Provo. It's kind of more charming than it is evil though. I feel like from what I can gather, that's kind of her biggest crime.

Starting point is 01:13:46 And then maybe, you know, with the whole like, you know, Halloween party, she didn't relay the message to Zach the best possible way. But I'm like, to be fair, where I'm just like whatever issues they may have, like I'm like, whatever goes on in her relationship, like they need to work that out. But it's like weird that the other women are so like, well, Zach, like tell Well, she didn't tell well I communicated and it's just like oh, okay Like I don't know it's like it's like you guys are trying to ruin her relationship It's also like yeah, they're trying to like be the middleman of their relationship and be like well Did she tell you this and Zach's like well?

Starting point is 01:14:17 I mean not and it's like well What about this did she tell you that and it's like just let them be a married couple Thank you figure it out on their own. I think Natalie, you nailed it. Cause even, I was kind of awestruck when Demi and Brett had said that Jen scapegoated him for the money in Vegas when it was his money, but said it was him gambling her money. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:37 So it's very interesting that I think they're so quick to try to expose the fact that they think she's like scapegoating him for like being a bad person. When does it really matter, you know? We'll see, but we left season one hating Zach, everyone. If it wasn't Whitney, Zach was maybe the biggest villain of the season. But I don't think...

Starting point is 01:14:53 I love Zach. And maybe some people will never forgive him for his haircut season one, or just like some people just like hate his face. Some people hate my face, they'll never get over it. But I think there's a world where Zach might redeem himself a little bit.

Starting point is 01:15:06 He seems like he's just said, I'm gonna go ahead and be a husband. Better, yeah. You know? He got a haircut? Got a haircut, quit medical school. I mean, if you say, oh, well, no, because she's making money,

Starting point is 01:15:17 either way, you're talking about a man who grew up in a very patriarchal society, and this is a man who's choosing his, who's quitting his dreams to support his wives. I'm just saying, we should acknowledge that a little bit. We'll see if it's real, we'll see how long it lasts, but steps in the right direction. Agreed.

Starting point is 01:15:35 Yeah, preach. Well anyways, let's hear from Jesse and Michaela first. And listen people, there's a lot in this season to break down. We're gonna be talking about this show for a few weeks now. We're not the ones who chose for them to drop it all at once. So we will be breaking down things.

Starting point is 01:15:51 If we didn't get to your favorite scene today, chances are it's in this interview with Jesse McKayla. Don't worry. We have Macy and Leila on Thursday, Reality Recap going deeper. I will say we were supposed to have Taylor, but some drama happened between Dakota and Taylor that morning, which seems to be an ongoing thing.

Starting point is 01:16:05 So they're still making each other's lives miserable. Yeah, something happened late at night, you know, they were filming season three, I don't know. I was gonna say, hopefully it'll be in season three. Lots of detail. I am pretty sure Macy gives us some insight on that on Thursday. So anyways, Jessi McCue.

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Starting point is 01:17:54 Jesse and Michaela, welcome back. Yeah, back in the corner this time. I know what I'm actually seeing and hearing. It's crazy. I'm like, oh, I get first chair. I can barely hear you last time. Was that trauma of being in back? Yes, I brought up all my wounds from therapy

Starting point is 01:18:10 about not being good enough. I'm kidding. Well, I gotta say, you really showed up this season. Oh, really? Well, you are front and center of the drama. You are, you know. I heard you were stirring the pot. I mean, I haven't watched it, but in all the press,

Starting point is 01:18:24 they're like, Jesse really is stirring the pot. Someone texted me a podcast where it was like, you know. I heard you were stirring the pot. I mean, I haven't watched it, but in all the press, they're like, Jesse really is stirring the pot. Someone texted me a podcast and was like, you're messy. I was like, why? Honestly, both of you. Oh. And listen, I say this with love and a compliment as someone who, again, more than anything, just a fan. Okay, got it, thanks.

Starting point is 01:18:37 Simply just a fan of both of you, of the show. You both like found your voice through both your voice and your actions. Specifically you, Jessie. Yeah, you definitely were front and center. Yeah. But anyways, so yeah, was that trauma putting you in back there, what really catapulted you?

Starting point is 01:18:55 Yeah, that's why I stepped it up season two. I find it fascinating that you ladies were recording this before the season has dropped. You ladies haven't seen it yet. No, we're nervous. You're nervous. Yeah. Do you have you've fought with the producers? No, I'm the favorite.

Starting point is 01:19:12 So like I, I'm like, I never fight them. I feel like we've asked a little bit though. Yeah, we get irritated, but also I feel like our producers are very sarcastic like me. So if I'm saying things, it's like I'm annoying, but I'm still gonna do it and they know that.

Starting point is 01:19:27 I just like to give them shit. But it's also, I'm sure, because everyone you're talking to has seen it and they're all like, oh, this and oh, that. And so I'm sure you want. And we lived it, but we have no idea obviously how it's put together, what was cut and stuff. And so it's hard to like know you guys have seen it

Starting point is 01:19:41 and we have no idea what the edit is. Well, it's funny when they asked me about it because they do call you messy Jesse. Oh, we like all the Events they're like and chase was invited. Oh Jesse invited him and this person's like, oh Jesse invited him No, you are everyone in So is that really is that what it is you're just I have a hard time Yeah saying no to people. And so I feel like I'm a people pleaser, which can be messy.

Starting point is 01:20:07 But it's not necessarily Machiavellian in the sense where you're like, who's not here? I feel like, oh no. What can I do to make this dramatic? It's not that. But hey, it made good TV, right? No, no, again, thank you. I'm just like, but I'm just curious, like the human, Jessie,

Starting point is 01:20:22 like what is she thinking? It's people pleasing for sure. It's people pleasing. Yes. I think even after the Halloween party, she, like, what is she thinking? It's people pleasing, for sure. It's people pleasing. Yes. I think even after the Halloween party, she's like, I had no idea this was gonna happen, like, crying, I'm like, what do you mean? I told you not to invite Chase.

Starting point is 01:20:33 I didn't know Chase that well at all. I think I had met him one time. But you had no idea. So you're friends with his girlfriend. Yes, very good friends. You know what, honestly, that's a great place to start because I think a lot of fans, me included, obviously we know that mom talk started with Miranda

Starting point is 01:20:46 and Taylor and the whole swinging scandal and obviously we talk about that a lot and that gets brought up a lot, but I don't feel like everyone fully knows who was friends with who, who really knew each other, how close were all of you women before this all really got together mom talk wise? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:21:04 How did you get brought into the group? So Macy actually brought me in. And it's funny, because in Utah, there's a big group of influencers and we all go to events together and it's like a little community. So we were all intertwined in that community. How many?

Starting point is 01:21:18 It's like if we haven't met, you know of these people. 50 to 100 people. Yeah. So you would go to an event and see people. So Macy and I knew each other because of that. I had actually done Whitney's hair for two years before the show. Jessie's mom did my hair once.

Starting point is 01:21:30 Yeah, Michaela's been to my salon. So we all knew of each other. Like I am responsible for Whitney's ever changing hair in season one, you know? So like I knew Whitney. That was you? Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:40 So I knew Whitney really well. And then Macy referred me because she just, I guess thought I would be good because she knew of me. But there was that mom talk group that was really close for a while, but it was like more business, right? What year was that?

Starting point is 01:21:52 Because we started pilot 2022, end of 2022. And that was me, Macy, Whitney, Taylor. And then Taylor got arrested. We got her, we held off on all the filming for like a year. And then Demi came on the last day of filming the pilot in 2022. So she filmed like one or two days just to like scope her out. And then we did recasting after Taylor got arrested.

Starting point is 01:22:17 And that's when Jen, Jessie, Leila came in. And Leila was around for the original mom talk. Yeah, Leila was at the original mom talk before the swinging stuff. I think there was like anila was at the original Mom Talk before the swinging stuff. I think there was like an original Mom Talk for like a year before the swinging stuff, if I'm right. And so I had met up with like Miranda and Taylor, knew them for like a short period of time.

Starting point is 01:22:34 And then the swinging stuff came out, hung out with Miranda like once or twice after. And she kind of gave me like her side of the swinging stuff. And then two years go by and that's when the show. We always say though, but back then MomTalk was like transactional from what I've heard. Like business, get your video done, see ya.

Starting point is 01:22:51 Now it's like a real friendship. Do you feel like there's a group of women in Utah who maybe were involved in the original MomTalk who are very bitter? Yes. Oh, he's got to be. I'm sure, but I'm like, she's a cheater. I want that story as well.

Starting point is 01:23:03 I want that to be a show of its own. I want the story about all the women who are jealous. And like, it's like, I don not sure, but I'm like, she's curious. I want that story as well. I want that to be a show of its own. No, I want the story about all the women who are jealous. And it's like, I don't know, put it on a less popular platform or something. Yeah, that would be hilarious. It got too big, though. Do you remember there was the videos that would blow up? There were literally 20 girls, and they all filled the frame. It got way too big.

Starting point is 01:23:21 Some of them would come from out of town, so they weren't all from Utah. So it was just too much. Yeah, there were five of them would come from like out of town. So they weren't all from Utah. So it was just, it was too much. Yeah, there were like five people that would like come in and from out of town and then they'd leave again. But like they lived in Utah originally. So going into the show, Jessie, you're closest with Macy.

Starting point is 01:23:37 Michaela, you're closest with like Macy and Jessie. Well, at the beginning. Oh, going into the show, definitely Macy. Yeah, cause I was like best friends with Macy for two years before mom talking and Jessie. Well, at the beginning. Oh, going into the show, definitely Macy. Yeah, because I was like best friends with Macy for two years before mom talking filming. I actually think I got closest with Jen and Layla before the show started filming though, because we all went on like trips together

Starting point is 01:23:55 and like we would hang out before filming started. And me, Jen and Layla were like the newbies to the group. So we kind of like stuck together because of that. But then as filming went on, I obviously got really close with Demi. And now I'm closest with Makayla and Macy. So, and Taylor. It changes all the time.

Starting point is 01:24:09 It does, you never know. Do you ever run into the housewives? Yes, Brittany comes to my salon. Okay. And then I have met Whitney. Is she singing when she walks in? Yes, all the time. I love her, she's so funny.

Starting point is 01:24:23 And she always grabs me to do like fun TikToks and stuff. Whitney, I've met a bunch of times. There was one time when Jen Shaw was in my break room eating pizza and I was looking at my security cameras and I was like, what the hell? So I like ran over to meet her. But yeah, like through that, yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:37 That's random. Yeah. Michaela, again, you were amazing this season and a little messier, which, cause you're so like, like the first season you were just like, Dem a little messier, which, cause you're so like, like the first season you were just like, Demure, quiet, and Kayla. Unless Whitney walked in the room. One thing I just love to just push back on you,

Starting point is 01:24:56 just a little bit, just a little bit. Oh, watch it. Okay. Watch. I'm like, watch a man. You know, listen, I'm usually not in the business of agreeing with Whitney. Okay. But like when it comes-

Starting point is 01:25:08 Well, keep that going. Don't stop now. Yeah. I honestly respect how much you hate her. But like the trolling TikToks, like you really, like this season, you really did not back down being like, I can do whatever the fuck I want. Which obviously you can, but you can appreciate why that maybe looks like

Starting point is 01:25:30 you're going past the point of standing up for yourself when it comes to Whitney Shigangen. I would say that, but, emphasis on the but, it's just there wasn't like the dynamic of like, Whitney is so innocent and everyone's ganging up on her. It was like, she was feeding into this role of like, oh, make me your villain, I'm this.

Starting point is 01:25:54 Like, it was all editing, I didn't know I was like this. And so it was just, it almost made it harder to be quiet because it was like, oh, I don't remember it going that way. But yet she was still feeding into this and doing like the same patterns. And I think I didn't really have that drive to say as much until she brought like Macy into it. She was posting Macy's text messages

Starting point is 01:26:16 where Macy was like backing her hard, blindly almost. And I feel like that's when I got almost more defensive because I was like, she was always a shitty friend to Macy and I always told Macy that. But it wasn't until after the show and she was like throwing Macy under the bus and defending that she wasn't going to her launch by exposing their messages.

Starting point is 01:26:34 And that's when I was like, all right. See, that's helpful context because like in the show, it just looks like you're just out there waking up, being like, I'm gonna troll Whitney today. Oh, are you saying in season two? Season one didn't even show how you guys stopped being friends. Oh yeah, it didn't show the falling out at all

Starting point is 01:26:49 with Whitney, and Whitney has that very victim mindset all the time. Like I said, every time she goes into something, tell me your issues, we tell her our issues, she runs away crying and saying she's the victim, we're attacking her. And it's that, and it was continued through season two, I had probably seven conversations that was, that ended the exact same way of her.

Starting point is 01:27:09 Like, I really want to work on this, but you're not telling me what I'm doing wrong. And I was like, what about the last six conversations that I like, do I need to spell it out or like write a list and give it to you? Yeah. It was just so many conversations that ended the same way. And literally everyone agrees. And with Miranda coming into the group, it was like what she would do to everyone.

Starting point is 01:27:27 The new person in the group, when she's on the outs, she'd get really close and then when it didn't serve her, she doesn't talk to Miranda anymore because she left again, so. Wow. Interesting. Yeah, there was a scene with Macy where Macy wanted some accountability from Whitney

Starting point is 01:27:41 and asked her to reflect, like, do you now regret you're not coming? And Whitney did this whole thing, and she was like, how could I be sorry if that's how I felt in that moment? And it's like, wait, that doesn't, that's literally the definition of reflecting back on your actions and knowing that you felt one way

Starting point is 01:27:59 in one moment and now that moment has passed, thinking. She can't admit she was wrong in her feelings. Yeah, I just. Oh my gosh, and it just, I could go all day just because I think it just triggers me so much. I don't wanna trigger you. Because no, it's fine. It's just like filming.

Starting point is 01:28:16 It's cause we're filming too. And I know it's filming. Yeah, it's the same thing. Everyone's like, why are you so passionate? Cause I'm like, she hasn't changed. Like even just a week ago, couldn't say she regretted going to Macy's baby shower. She told Macy she had to look up the definition of regret

Starting point is 01:28:32 to say if she regretted it. I'm like, you know what regret means. And I'm like, you're an actress, come in and act like you're sorry for season two. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, Whitney's literally the only one who's never been on the show. There have been several conversations with her team

Starting point is 01:28:47 and us about coming on. As a character, I'm a fan. I'm just obsessed with the hospital TikTok. He can't get over it. I can't watch it without it. It's his favorite thing to do. It brings joy to my life. It truly does.

Starting point is 01:28:58 Because she's so blissfully unaware of how it comes across, it's really funny. It's funny and it's frustrating. In this season, she wanted to do an interview by herself, our response was, you're not really in it this season. Ooh, good to know. Yeah, you know, like she definitely is much less

Starting point is 01:29:16 of the villain this season from my perspective. But I- Is there a different villain in your perspective? No, no, it's just- Oh no, ooh, I wanna hear your thoughts. It's really just more, I mean, like it's really. Oh no, ooh, I wanna hear your thoughts. It's really just more meh. Uh oh. I mean, it's really gonna be, I think, fan perspective.

Starting point is 01:29:29 Obviously, and we'll get into it, but the season ends with a lot of accusations heading your way. Yeah. And I'd love to, you know, and then you and me, obviously very critical of Jen. Well, y'all came into season one being very close. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:29:44 And then, obviously obviously we have now seen what's going on on social media. Y'all are not close anymore. What was the initial fallout of you and Demi's relationship? Did season two touch on like the contract stuff? Yeah. Okay, so that was the first thing. Yeah, which round?

Starting point is 01:29:59 That was the first thing that happened during the summer. Actually before season one even aired, we started negotiating some different contracts as a group That was the first thing that happened during the summer. Actually before season one even aired, we started negotiating some different contracts as a group and she basically threw me under the bus because I didn't care to fight for more money and she wanted an absurd amount of money. What did that conversation sound like?

Starting point is 01:30:16 Like how did that go? It had all of us on it. So we were all on a call and keep in mind, this is a call with our lawyer and managers who represent us, so we should be able to say how we feel. And some of you share managers and lawyers, correct? Yeah, totally. And like a couple husbands are on.

Starting point is 01:30:29 So they have our best interests in mind and we should be able to say like, I want this, I want this and it can differ. Some husbands were on. I was doing a podcast virtually, so I joined the call late. When I joined the call, the first thing I heard is Brett saying, if we don't get this amount, everyone's walking.

Starting point is 01:30:42 And I was like, you can't speak for me. So I said that, cause that's initially what I heard. So I was like, wait, wait, wait, I just want you to know, like, I'm not willing to walk. And he was pissed and they just were so mad at me. That is the catalyst for everything. Well, cause then there was another call after, cause what happened before, to give it context,

Starting point is 01:30:59 we were all like, no one's going to walk. Obviously this is what we were saying before she went on. Like no one's going to walk, but there's power numbers. And so we're all going to walk. And so then Jesse, yeah,'s gonna walk, obviously. This is what we were saying before she went on, like no one's gonna walk, but there's power in numbers. And so we're all gonna walk. And so then Jessie, yeah, Jessie comes on, hears that. She's like, I'm not gonna walk. And if I had that context, of course, I would have not said that.

Starting point is 01:31:14 But again, it didn't warrant the reaction. No, so then she's calling people behind the scenes being like, well, Jessie has no morals and no values. She's willing to just- Well, and Brett on the phone after you is like, oh, he's like, Jessie, what was that? What was disgusting? Oh, and then Brett's response to me was like, Jessie, you're willing to walk for pennies and none on the phone after you was like, oh, he's like, Jesse, what wants that? That was disgusting. Oh, and then Brett's response to me was like,

Starting point is 01:31:26 Jesse, you're willing to walk for pennies and none of us are, and that was gross, and blah, blah, blah, and just kinda like came at me. And then she's calling everyone behind my back being like, well, if Jesse doesn't, like maybe Jesse doesn't need to be on the show, then let's get her off and we can all get more money. Demi said that.

Starting point is 01:31:38 Yeah, she was saying that she had no morals, no values. I'm not gonna be a pawn in her hair scheme. I'm like- Well, also, like after we just clearly talked about, there seems to be a line of women in Utah willing to take all of your places. And I think, obviously, the show knows that. I think, to be honest, Demi was a fan favorite and it went to her head.

Starting point is 01:31:56 And she's like, well, I can make more money than... Well, she did only say 1,900. I think it's really important, obviously, as reality TV becomes more and more prominent, it gets more and more credibility. I think you guys deserve, you are stars, you guys deserve to get yours. But like, I would have done The Bachelor for free.

Starting point is 01:32:12 Keep in mind, this is before season one aired. So I didn't know what the reaction was gonna be. And they wouldn't show us like the background numbers of airing or like anything after. You don't even know if it's a hit yet. Exactly, like we knew that it was good because they were wanting to go in so quickly into filming season two.

Starting point is 01:32:27 And like we knew after the numbers came out too that it was doing really well. But also there was just a line of like, okay, this is absurd and this is way too much money. Like, yes, we deserve more, but this is like, it's not, it's not realistic. Like they were trying to get rich in that moment. Yes, without having to work.

Starting point is 01:32:43 Like she doesn't wanna work like a dog, that's her words. And so- She doesn't wanna hustle. No, but she wants to be rich. I think that that was where it started. And then I think for me, what was hard was after that happened, I didn't know everything she said about me, but then the text messages she sent me during that were like,

Starting point is 01:32:59 you need to earn my friendship back. Like, I'm very disappointed in you. Like kind of put herself on a pedestal above me where I had to like beg for her love is how I felt. And then the hair drama happened. So it was just, like, one thing after another, and I just kept forgiving her. Like, I was like, I don't want to have

Starting point is 01:33:13 another friendship fallout, like, I just, it's fine. And the friendship fallout inevitably happened because I finally hit a point where after the finale, where she, like, says she's gonna walk, it was, like, that argument in my house. She was mad that I didn't defend her towards Taylor and that I didn't gang up on Taylor. And it was again, I'm disappointed in you.

Starting point is 01:33:32 She sent me this big like breakup text and I was just like, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this pattern where I have to beg for your love if I'm not doing exactly what you want. So. Well, even in like the conversation we had where we were like had our little mom talk meeting, and there was the blowout between Taylor and Demi,

Starting point is 01:33:52 they were talking about, because Demi was wanting to have a huge finale for season one. And so she was wanting to make up, she's like, we can make up this whole thing that like I have an affair with Dakota and like this. And so we were like, everyone was like, oh, that's a weird thing to say. No one wants to know what you're doing. Taylor brought it up in the conversation and Demi's like, did everyone think that was weird? And everyone's like, you know, yeah, kind of. That was a little bit weird.

Starting point is 01:34:10 And she was like, really, Jesse? Unbelievable. Oh, she got so mad at me. I was like, this is a lot to take in. I'm like, I'm a fan of all you women, right? And we've gotten to know Demi and we've enjoyed her company. She's very charming. I'll give her that. We liked Demi too.

Starting point is 01:34:24 Cause I got really close to Demi and Jesse and Macy, We've enjoyed her company. I've enjoyed it. She's very charming. I'll give it a go. We liked me too. Like when our friend, cause I got really close to Demi and Jessie and Macy, which I was already, but like we were getting closer to Demi. And then all of this started unraveling. And we still gave, not her the benefit of the doubt,

Starting point is 01:34:35 but it was just kind of sad to see like, oh, she would do that. And then it kind of just kept progressing. And so we weren't like immediately like, okay, closed off. It just happened gradually. So it was sad for sure to see that she was willing to do all the things that she did.

Starting point is 01:34:48 Yeah, so she was willing to have the world think that she had an affair with Dakota for television. Yeah. Or at least she threw it out there. No, it was her. She had a whole plan. Yeah, apparently she had a whole plan. So it wasn't like, it wasn't something she just like,

Starting point is 01:35:02 it was like, ha ha ha. It wasn't like, hey, you guys could be funny. It was like, we could meet in a car and then they could catch us. We were like, what the hell? No, it was like a plan. But also, I think it says a lot that there are seven women who feel the exact same way about her.

Starting point is 01:35:12 It's not just me that had issues. I wanna ask you, and I'm not sure how much you women can share, we've obviously interviewed Miranda. We interviewed her the morning that a lot of you were online in the comments between Marciano and Demi. Demi was here with Brett and she made some claims, some very serious claims. What I'll say is victims should always be believed.

Starting point is 01:35:38 I'll say that. And yeah, I think it's really hard for, again, you have like, I was the victim of sexual abuse and Demi kind of takes advantage of that in the situations of like, again, you have, like, I was the victim of sexual abuse, and Demi kind of takes advantage of that in the situations of like, guilting us of like, well, you were going through this. Like, you, out of anyone, should believe me. But also, I was there right after the villa,

Starting point is 01:35:56 and I heard from her own mouth, I'm not a victim, I was playing into this. Like, I was being flirted, I was having a fun time, and that was the story from the beginning, and I was also there to kind of was having a fun time, and that was the story from the beginning, and I was also there to kind of like watch everything too, and you were there too. This is such a serious subject, that none of us would ever do this

Starting point is 01:36:12 if we didn't know for sure. Or we didn't have gut feelings and witnessed things, you know, so. No, yeah, I'm like especially in my situation where again, I went to my mom and that wasn't believed, so it's not coming lightly that I'm like choosing to be hesitant. When we talked with Demi and Brett,

Starting point is 01:36:31 they certainly gave the impression that they were done with this show. They always do. Specifically Brett. Demi seemed pretty in line with Brett. I'm sure you can't tell us, I don't even know if you know for sure what's going on contractually,

Starting point is 01:36:42 but like I just wanna know your opinions. Do you think Demi and Brett are done with the show and MomTalk and Secret Lives? No, because the minute she gets a taste of fame and the fun stuff we're doing now, it's like, oh wait, I want to come back. So I think it's just like, wait, you can come and go. So whether she does or doesn't come back, you think-

Starting point is 01:37:01 Whether she leaves, whether she comes back, she'll always be back, yeah. I mean, we met Lana Del Rey the other day, and that was an opportunity we got, and as soon as she saw that, she's like tagging Lana on her story, like, let's do a redo. It's like, then why are you leaving these experiences? Yeah, I think her go-to every time was, who's walking?

Starting point is 01:37:18 Who's walking with me, I'm done with the show, so I'm like, right now, I don't know, I don't think it would surprise me with her coming back because she is so back and forth in that sense too. I just think like Whitney, they can't stay away. If she does decide to come back and is allowed back, how will you women approach her given her alleged behavior and how you women perceive her?

Starting point is 01:37:40 Because it's one thing to be Whitney and not understand how to apologize or think you are as accountable as the rest of the group when maybe you might not be. And then there's everything that's going on with Demi. How will you women approach that? I think it is different for me because again, I go back and forth with Whitney where I'm like,

Starting point is 01:38:02 do you truly just not know? Are you like this calculated? Like, are you as manipulative as you seem or do you truly just not know better? With the Demi stuff, it is very, very calculated and very, again, the serious allegations and everything that she's doing with like the contracts. I'm like, this is, I think everyone has seen the character flaws with it and no one want, I don't want a friend that's willing to do that to me. So, and I think everyone kind of agrees and has that same opinion with her.

Starting point is 01:38:30 I think guards are definitely gonna be up 100%. And I don't think, I mean, I don't see myself personally getting close again. No, and I had ended my friendship with her before all of these allegations, so I already knew that was done for me, and now this has added a bigger, heavier layer. But for me, if she needs to be my coworker, that's fine.

Starting point is 01:38:47 I'm not gonna go out of my way to mend a friendship, do anything like that. Like I'm for sure done. But if I have to be around her, I will. Yeah. Which, yeah, can we talk about how hard that is? Because I think people don't get that, that I'm like, there is like the real friendships,

Starting point is 01:39:01 and then there's like the show aspect, and we are being forced against our will to hang out with these people. And it's so hard. If someone puts y'all in a photo and you're sitting next to Whitney, are you like, excuse me? No, I see the photo from the Get Real event

Starting point is 01:39:15 where we're like, me and Demi are crouched down by just a big gap and everyone's like, that's so telling. No, it's like the interviews where it's like, who's most likely to? And we're all like, hee hee, having a point. We're all in a group and it's like, it's like the interviews where it's like, who's most likely to, and we're all like, hee hee, like having a point, and we're all in a group, and it's like, it's hard for sure. Well, switching gears a little bit, Jessie, you have not been wearing your wedding ring.

Starting point is 01:39:33 Is there anything that you can share about your marriage? I will say that reality TV is hard on any relationship, whether it's a friendship or a marriage, and we've been through a lot, and now it's gonna be public. And we're working through things and we're trying our best, but things are a little tricky right now. And I'm excited to hopefully someday share more about that.

Starting point is 01:39:56 But right now it's a little bit, it's just real life and it's hard. So yeah, I don't really know. I have to ask and I'm assuming, because I think you guys are filming season three and I know obviously when we want to be conscious of spoilers, but you know, season two ended with quite the accusation towards you and Miranda made it seem like you, you and Jordan have some real tough conversations ahead.

Starting point is 01:40:20 Do you want to clear the air about like, like you and Marciano and him saying you guys had an affair or can you, like what can you, if anything, clear up right now? I can't say much, unfortunately, I wish I could, but there is just so much more to the story. And again, relationships are hard and they're nuanced and there's so much more that I'm excited to share because I think people will be able to relate to my story

Starting point is 01:40:44 and I think it may help people. Do you think that Jordan is a good role model for the men that your daughter should look for in a husband? Oh my gosh, that is a loaded question. No, I think that there's been a lot that's happened and I think that he and I are both willing to work on things and change, but maybe he should be asked that question because that might wake him up. But no, I think there's a lot of things

Starting point is 01:41:08 that have needed to change. I've heard some things about him and I was really disappointed to hear. I hope they're not true. Clearly you can't tell me, but your answer to Nalia I think is revealing. And I'd love the opportunity to talk with him about some of the things I have heard

Starting point is 01:41:24 if they end up being true, because it's really quite sad and disappointing, but I am looking forward to getting to the bottom of that. I will say one thing about me is I feel like, unlike Whitney, I'm really good at taking accountability, and I own my shit, and I am excited to someday tell the full story and fall on my sword and take accountability

Starting point is 01:41:42 for certain things, but also open up a bigger conversation that I think needs to happen. I wanted to ask you guys about Jen. A lot this season, when you and Demi were still close, a lot of your focus and attention and criticism was towards Jen. Obviously we know that Jen left the show and took a mental health absence and is pregnant, so I wanna be respectful of that.

Starting point is 01:42:02 It's my opinion watching the show, that while Jen may embellish, maybe it's like, and there's like the people who just like wanna fit in, wanna people please get caught up in the moment. And I'm not saying it's okay. Clearly there needs to be correcting, but that's my, Jen's harmless. That's my opinion of Jen is that she's more or less harmless.

Starting point is 01:42:24 Do you, looking back, regret any of your behavior towards Jen, because it was pretty harsh. And I'm not blaming you for anything, because there's a lot going on in Jen's life, specifically the relationship with Zach and the pregnancy, and just, you know, probably a lot we don't know. But how do you feel about your behavior with Jen?

Starting point is 01:42:45 And do you think it was ever influenced by Demi? Great question. So again, I can take accountability and I was harsh for sure. I think I was hearing a lot of things that I was just shocked by. And then Jen was so MIA from the group that it was a lot of jumping to conclusions

Starting point is 01:42:58 because she wasn't giving us answers. So I think that's where a lot of it began. And then also Demi was on a mission at the time to make Jen seem like a liar because Jen knew more about the situation in Italy. So Jen was starting to expose that and say things. And so I think Demi was 10 steps ahead and was like, oh, I need to discredit her now. And if I can discredit her through this avenue and this avenue, it will make her look like a liar all around.

Starting point is 01:43:22 So I do think there was a little bit of that. But again, I take accountability that I went hard on Jen on my own accord, and I was very frustrated by all of the lies building up. And then Zach himself telling us like, that's a lie. Like she didn't say that. I was like, what? So I think I was honestly getting caught up

Starting point is 01:43:38 in the drama of it all. And looking back now, I'm like, okay, I was probably a little hard on her. Thoughts, agree, disagree? I don't know what's gonna be shown. I mean, I lived it, I'm like, okay, I was probably a little hard on her. Thoughts, agree, disagree? I don't know what's gonna be shown. I mean, I lived it and I'm like, I don't know what I should say. I'm trying to tread very lightly.

Starting point is 01:43:53 Say your truth and we'll make sure you're protected in the back end. What are your thoughts and feelings on Jin and Zach? Yeah, I mean, the little white lies, I had friends in school like that. No, like the friend who had a dad, who worked in China and had a mansion. I had a sleepover once with a guy

Starting point is 01:44:07 who had all the baseball cards. No, I don't get those. That's amazing. That's amazing. I was like, what can I see? And he's like, no, they're not this house. They're in our house in Hawaii. I mean, I don't get it.

Starting point is 01:44:17 Yeah, that happens. That was Jen, probably. Yeah, like I said, it is so hard. It's so much filming. We do so much filming. It's so much filming. We do so much filming. It's so many hours. And so again, it's hard not to be frustrated when people aren't showing up.

Starting point is 01:44:30 And then on the back end, they're trying to ruin your life or make up lies to ruin your life. I feel like it's so frustrating. And then just those little weird lies about Ben Affleck and things like that. I'm like, I think I won. We can never get a straight answer. That's I think what's bit. We can never get a straight answer. I'm like straight out. That's I think what's frustrating is we can never get

Starting point is 01:44:47 a clear answer. It's very fresh. I just did more press and it's like not doubling down, tripling down, quadrupling down and I'm like, I just, I'm trying to keep my mouth shut because I don't know what to say. She does do the whole like, it's like I wanna give her a pass,

Starting point is 01:45:00 but even when she owns up to it, she's like. Talking in circles. She just, she kind of leans into how unserious she is. Yes, yes, totally. But it's so it's like, if you know you're, you know, it's like, how, how innocent are you? I have not, I haven't figured out Jen. And then Zach's the opposite, where he's like...

Starting point is 01:45:14 Very serious. Yeah, very serious, so it's really funny. Speaking of Zach, I, you know, he was, if Whitney was villain number one, he was villain number two, season one. And at least from what I saw season two, I'm not saying he completely redeemed himself, and I'm not saying he's like a completely changed man,

Starting point is 01:45:31 but I saw a lot of growth. And I saw a lot of at least intention to like, try to be a better person, at least for his wife. I'm trying to go back to my media training call. Like what was I supposed to say again? And I'm just wondering if what I saw is what you all witnessed. So the weird, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:45:53 Okay, so the weird thing is we didn't see Zach a ton. I think I saw him at my talk with him and then the Halloween party. So a lot of their stuff was like probably alone. And so I can't speak to that, but I will say I know he was trying and he was working on things and I'm proud for that. I would say his one-on-one stuff with Jen,

Starting point is 01:46:10 if season one looked like Zach was a deadbeat husband who never really gave a shit about his wife's emotional well-being, health, anything all of the above, he really seemed like a present husband who more than anything wanted to be there for his wife. And I was really impressed. And I appreciated that.

Starting point is 01:46:32 Again, I'm sure he has a long way to go. But everyone deserves a second chance to undo their wrongs. Michaela, who is your favorite husband you cannot say Jacob? Oh. Damn, she knows. How many, who's even, I'm like, who's left? How many husbands are there? Oh. Damn, she knows. How many?

Starting point is 01:46:45 Who's even? I'm like, that's like for all... Who's left? How many husbands are there? Or significant others, not husbands. God, that's kind of hard. I think I know who you're going to say and it's kind of funny. Who is it?

Starting point is 01:46:53 Oh, Connor. I love Connor. Connor's the best. Everyone loves Connor. He's so great and so logical. Yeah. I think he's like Whitney's right side of her brain, truly. He keeps her grounded.

Starting point is 01:47:04 He does. As much as he can. Yeah, I think he's like Whitney's right side of her brain truly like yeah, he is so he keeps her grounded He does he's very and he's just so he's not very he's emotional but not unless he doesn't like act out of emotions He's just very caring and he's logical and just yeah, he's great. Do you think he sees what you see in Whitney? Um Probably I think everyone sees it. I just think he handles it with more grace and compassion because he's married to her. I wouldn't want to piss her off if I had to live with her. Micaela, how is your health these days? It's doing great.

Starting point is 01:47:36 You look beautiful. Thank you. You look very good. Yeah, it's been a lot better. I think the less I've done, the better it's gotten, which is really ironic because I really put my heart and soul into it for years and years and years with no progress. So, yeah, I'm like, hopefully.

Starting point is 01:47:51 Did you like the pregnancy in some ways? I mean, my mom had 11 kids, and my mom also had some, a variety of different health struggles. And there seemed to be time, maybe it was just the belief in something. Yeah. But it really seemed like sometimes her pregnancies was almost a something that healed her.

Starting point is 01:48:11 Yeah, it totally is a thing. Like I've looked up a lot of that with like autoimmune stuff. I don't know what was going on with my health issues. I still never got answers of what was going on. But I've heard like people with eczema and all this stuff, they get pregnant and it goes away. So I was like very strong and like, hopefully this baby heals me, which people had an issue with that for some reason. Yeah. Did you see? I feel like so much shit for that.

Starting point is 01:48:33 Yeah, they're like, that's so much heat to put on a baby. I was like, okay. It would be shocking though. It's like, you know, you would think that when it comes to pregnancy and women, there would be a lot of grace and unity and It really seems that people are Whatever they you know, yes do not give an opinion that doesn't align with someone else

Starting point is 01:48:53 We'll hear about it. Yes, but no, I do think pregnancy has helped a lot And then again, like I said working through trauma I've been learning a lot through like how trauma stored in your body and like unraveling all that and I think Yeah, i've seen the most healing in the last nine months to a year, just going to therapy. Yeah. And honestly, not on medication. Yeah, healing the inner.

Starting point is 01:49:13 From the inside out. Yeah, that's true. That's what I've been telling Jessie too. I'm like, you need to work on yourself. How do you have your thyroid? That's what you're so sick. Exactly, I'm like, okay, I'll take a lesson out of her butt. We do have a fun little game we want to play.

Starting point is 01:49:25 It's some superlatives, some Mormon wives superlatives. Mormon wives superlatives. Love it. Obviously you haven't seen the show, but all of your memory. This isn't about the show, this is about your- Just our life. This is life.

Starting point is 01:49:37 Yeah, your genuine opinion of these people. Okay. It's now time for Mormon wives superlatives. Oh my God. That was perfect. Cross you by, Don't text your ex happy birthday. Yeah, there you go.

Starting point is 01:49:49 Sponsored by. Okay, most toxic couple. Oh God. In the group? One at a time. The other Dakota. Take it away, Jessie. Take it away, Jessie.

Starting point is 01:49:59 The other Dakota? Oh, I do have a question for you about them. Do you hope they get back together? No, not as of right now. Ever, I just think, I think ever, never, ever. Yeah, I love them both as people, like I think they're both amazing people, I think together they just can't,

Starting point is 01:50:18 they're in a toxic cycle that will just never end. And we see too much. Yeah, we know. I've seen too much or too much. Okay, who is most like- Wait, you didn't answer. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I said, yeah, Taylor and Dakota. Okay. I don't even think that... Okay. Who is most likely to beauty filter their photos? Oh, Demi. Yeah, Demi always has a filter. Who's most likely to sneak in a fart and blame someone else? Whitney. Yes. She would never take accountability for that fart. So true.

Starting point is 01:50:48 Most likely to have lied this season. Jen. Most likely to win an Oscar. Not Whitney. Say what you said about her. Remember when. Not Whitney. No, Taylor said, and for the second time in a row,

Starting point is 01:51:02 her award winning role was the victim. Her leading role is the victim. Second time in a row, her award winning role is the victim. Her leading role is the victim. Second season in a row. But let's not hype her acting career that much. Best dressed. Probably Jessie or Leila. Or Miranda. I was going to say Miranda or Leila.

Starting point is 01:51:16 Worst dressed. Whitney. Probably me or Taylor. Not you. Well, are we talking season two? I'm talking in real life. Yeah, like when you see him at the grocery store, you see him at a coffee shop.

Starting point is 01:51:28 When you meet him together. I'm pretty grungy. What? Yeah, what do you mean? Just a bra with a blazer over it. I was like, what the? Sleigh. Sleigh.

Starting point is 01:51:35 I love that fur. Sleigh. It's the nicest thing you buy over any dollar. Person who thinks they're a good cook, but isn't. Probably Jessie. Just kidding. No, I think you know. No, you were at my house

Starting point is 01:51:44 and I hadn't even turned on my oven yet. She had left it in her house for like six months. I was like, how do you turn your oven on? And she's like, I've never used it. I was like, okay. It's giving Carrie Bradshaw. No, actually. It's giving Gordash.

Starting point is 01:51:51 What do you think? Um, like cereal. Oh, I'm gonna say Taylor. PB and J. Me, probably, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Who is most likely to get canceled?

Starting point is 01:51:59 Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Taylor? Yeah, Taylor just cause she's so like, I don't give a fuck. Like, she's so controversial at times. But also people love her. Her audience loves her, so...

Starting point is 01:52:11 Because she doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, exactly. They can see through it. So, or like, they see the, like, genuine... Do you think Taylor is the one who really doesn't give a fuck in the most authentic way of the group? Yes. Yeah. I think everyone doesn't, but I think... Mm-hmm. I just keep going back to the CMA post when she was like, it was just Penny. authentic way of the group. Yeah, I think everyone doesn't, but I think, I just keep going back to the CMA post when she was like, it was just Penny.

Starting point is 01:52:28 I don't care. I don't care. And we're like, but honestly she owned it. So it's like, how do you stay mad at her? But I was talking to her the other day about hate and how she deals with it. And she's like, I go like this. I'm like, oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:52:37 Like she is herself. Most likely to steal a baby name. Especially with this going on. Imagine you guys like have the a baby name. Ooh. Especially with this going on. Imagine you guys like have the same names. Steal a baby name? I don't know why I want to say Jen. Oh, no, I see that. I don't know why.

Starting point is 01:52:56 Have y'all shared names you're thinking? I have zero names. And same with me. Send me all your ideas. Zero names. No, we were joking with Jen. We were like, you should name your baby Ben. Yeah, I was like, Ben. Literally. Wait, what are your other two names?

Starting point is 01:53:10 For my kids? I have three. You have three? Beckham, Haven, and Tommy. So I have my little girl Tommy and Haven and then Beckham's my one boy. Most likely to pick their nose in public. Whitney.

Starting point is 01:53:19 Yeah. I think that's it on superlatives. We kind of, yeah. That was quick. That was so quick. Oh gosh, that was funny. Well, ladies, thank you for coming by. Good luck, hopefully season three.

Starting point is 01:53:33 Hopefully I'll see you soon. Everyone watching, if you haven't already, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is now streaming on Hulu, all 10 episodes. I think it's an absolute doozy. Jesse, good luck. Thanks. I know it's an absolute doozy. Jesse, good luck. I know there's a lot to unpack here. I'm going into hiding, but thank you.

Starting point is 01:53:52 And yeah, I wanna be respectful to you. I feel like I'm not doing my job pulling it out of you, but I feel like there's more to come. We'll circle back. Michaela, it's so great to see you. So great to see you doing so well. Congratulations with the baby. Everything that's going on in your life.

Starting point is 01:54:08 Really so happy for you and Jace. And yeah, thanks for stopping by. And I can't wait to see you guys more in the future. Yay! It's gonna be perfect. Thanks for listening. Thank you to our guys, Chloe, Veach, Mikaela, and Jesse from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Starting point is 01:54:22 Don't forget it is streaming now, all episodes on Hulu. Check it out, we'll see you back tomorrow for a, boy, a just a dark, crazy episode of Going Deeper from Michelle, formerly Michelle Lolley of the Valley, talking about her ex-husband Jesse Lolley. That is tomorrow and it's a, it's very a lifetime movie. See you then.

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