The Viall Files - E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Today, we conclude our recaps of the gift that keeps on giving… Secret Lives of Mormon Wives! But don't get us wrong, we will still be following their drama, but in this episode we finally address the Finale! Meanwhile, Maksim Chmerkovskiy and Peta Murgatroyd join, the Summer House Finale aired, Phaedra Parks returned to RHOA, and JoJo Siwa is potentially teasing her new relationship with Celebrity Big Brother’s Chris! We address it all! “I love an eavesdropped phone read.” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles     THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: OneSkin - By focusing on the cellular aspects of aging, OneSkin keeps your skin looking and acting younger for longer. For a limited time, you can try OneSkin with 15% off using code VIALL at https://www.oneskin.co  Pique Life - If you’re tired of feeling depleted and want to finally nourish your body the right way, now’s the time—get 20% off plus a FREE rechargeable frother and glass beaker with our exclusive link https://www.piquelife.com/viall Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (01:14) - Plane Story (10:24) - Programming Updates (11:56) - Household Headlines (26:55) - Maks and Peta Join (43:11) - DWTS and Mormon Wives Recap (01:10:37) - Mormon Wives Final Thoughts (01:18:57) - Summer House (01:30:54) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @maksimc @petamurgatroyd @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell       

If you want to feel more connected to humanity and a little less alone, listen to Beautiful Anonymous. Each week I take a phone call from one random anonymous human being. There's over 400 episodes in our back catalog. You get to feel connected to all these different people all over the world. Recent episodes include one where a lady survived a murder attempt by her own son. But then the week before that, we just talked about Star Trek. It can be anything. It's unpredictable. It's raw. It's real. Get Beautiful Anonymous wherever you listen to podcasts. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the VyLF VyLF Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick and we are recording from a different place today, a different pop-up

studio. We're all over the place. We're all over. We bounce around. We bounce here. We bounce there. We're in Vancouver at the moment. Yes.

Yes, we're in Canada. Yeah. The great country of Canada. Hey, there. Oh, we're in Vancouver at the moment. Yes. Yes. We're in Canada. Yeah The country that said we just we just want a leaf True on our flag. It's all we need just to leave. They're simple. They're minimalist love Yeah, I mean, it's a good the maple leaf too. I mean, that's a great if you're gonna pick a good leaf It's a big leaf. Yeah, the big leaf. Have you guys had poutine yet? I know. Well, I mean, I've had it. It's not for me. I know it's a staple. I'm not surprised. Yeah. Trauma for me. Yeah. Have you had any maple syrup? Have I had maple syrup? In Canada. From? No. Not since we've been here. Okay. No. Well, let me know when you do. But I did have a fight with a lady on the airplane.

Yeah, I know. Ooh. Let's hear. I saw this on your story. I need to hear more. Spill. Set the stage. I'm setting the stage.

So we were leaving LAX, flying into Vancouver, and we were, you know, running a little late. Happy to report we were flying first class, business class. So we were not sitting in front of our gate because there were no seats. So me, my mom, River and Nick were all sitting at a different gate.

And whenever we arrived back, they were already boarding like zone four or something. So we quickly jumped in line. We were like the last people to sit in business class. Everyone else had already sat. We sit down and River's in a mood where she's talkative. She's feeling spicy. She's not crying.

She's not upset, but she's loud. She's chitty. She's chitty chatty. Chitty chatty. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. She's chitty chatty. She's going hello to everyone who comes on the plane.

She's kind of, yeah. She's experimenting with her vocal range,'s kind of, yeah, she's experimenting with her vocal range, some could say. Oh, she should. So they're still boarding the plane. We've not left the gate. And I clock the woman in front of me. Y'all know I love, I love an eavesdrop phone read,

you know, on an airplane. I love it. And if you don't want people to read your phone, then you need to turn the brightness all the way down and you need to sit in a position where someone behind you could not read your phone. You don't hold it up like this. You don't with your brightness all the way up

and your text size also all the way up. Oh yeah, that's extra large. That's a public spectacle at that point. You're asking for it. It was giving over 50. Yeah. You want everyone to read your text. You're showing it to me.

You're, she was showing it to me. So the woman in front of me, who I thought honestly like was going to be quite nice because we made an eye contact as we're boarding. Now I know that the eye contact was mean-spirited. So I read on her phone, the first thing I see is 18 month old in business class. And I'm like, oh, here we go.

Locked in. You got me, right? So now it's like all I can see. She goes to different group chat and she starts typing to her friends. There's some young couple, shout out Nick. Yeah, period. Young.

Hey, you good? She was including me. She was. There's some young couple behind me in business class with their around year old kid Screaming up a storm the kind of people who think it's cute Then she proceeds with they need to learn how to quiet their kid down Spells me spell first spells their kid there

So wrong there their kid down and then says, poor woman next to me is trying to work. Granted, we have not left the gate. So you're trying to work, we haven't even left the gate, and you're already complaining. She's not Canadian. Also, what exactly do you expect us to do? How are we allowing our 15th month old, by the way, not 18 month old, what are way, not 18 month old.

What are we supposed to do? Punish them? Put them in the corner? It's like, do you want to try to quiet her down? Please, feel free. What's your tactic? Should we ask her nicely? Yeah.

It's like, do you have duct tape with you? I don't know, what do you want me to do? Have you ever talked to an 18 month old? It was giving I've never had to parent. So, as she's finishing her text, I lean up and tap her on the shoulder and I said, it's T-H-E-I-R there, not that there. I had no idea this was going on at the moment.

So I'm like, all I hear is Natalie, I see Natalie lean forward and go, that's the wrong there. And I'm just like, what? I'm like, I know she's trying to be, I guess she's trying to be nice, but like, why would she do that? Cause I don't, I do not know that she saw this. She's like immediately like tries to hide her phone

and she was like, are you reading my screen? And I said, are you texting about my kid? And she kind of like huffs and puffs and turns. And then she brings out her phone, same level, same brightness, same text size, and starts going, she just confronted me about a spelling error. She's reading my text from behind me. LOL, I respect it.

Like she's just continuing. Wait, so she was impressed. She knew that you were reading it, so now she was like, I'm gonna write nice things about her. That was her way for asking for forgiveness. Then Nellie tells me what's going on. So I, loving an awkward situation, I thrive in uncomfortable situations.

I grabbed River and I gave River full permission to just go ham on the screen that's behind her seat. Like hoping that River continues this behavior. And starts being- Oh, I wanted River to scream and cry and be so loud on this slide, but our perfect angel baby daughter- Slept the whole way.

Slept the whole way. The entire flight. So she was also mad about nothing. Gave her nothing to complain about. Oh, man. No, she was, you know she was pissed. Yeah. Because the person responded to her initial text being like,

whenever she was like the 18 month old in business class, responded being like, I'm sure they're tired of sitting. And she was responds with, we just got on. So it was like, if your friends- So her friend was trying to calm this- Being like, oh, I'm sure the poor baby's just tired of sitting and she's like, no, no, we just got on the flight.

That's the best payback though. Anyways, if you're out there and you're in that group chat and you listen to this show, shame your friend. Actually get rid of this friend. This friend's not worth having. It's like, we stopped complaining about babies crying on airplanes or making noises on airplanes years ago. Like if you are entitled to your child free life

but you are not entitled to a child free environment and to think you have the like privilege to be like children in business class making noise. How dare they? The best payback though is that River was an angel. Yeah. And absolutely made her look like it. And also she's stupid.

Sorry, she doesn't know how to spell. She doesn't know which they're, they're and they are. She doesn't know the difference. Yeah, if you're gonna hate with correct grammar. I was a little bummed. Exactly. I really wanted River to not nap. I think River was kind of being like,

maybe the pettiest she could be in that moment though. No, I'm telling you. She knew. River was like, you know what? If I were to ask Nick about this, he would say, don't waste your energy on it. And she didn't. Aye.

Yeah. Amen. You guys, this actually- But every time she got up to go to the bath, every time she got up to go to the bathroom, she would like kind of try to look at me and I would just give her the meanest mean mug with my sleeping baby sprawled across my body. And it was just like, oh, anyways. Have you gotten more ferocious, Lea, since you've had a child?

So funny enough, this actually happened to me this morning, where I was on a hike with my friend and they also have a baby. Their baby is, I think, just turned one. So their baby just turned one. Louis is about to be 10 months and we were on this hike and this woman with a golden retriever quickly passes by us and is just like, I'm just trying to get to the quiet. And I'm like, girl, you're outside. Trying to get to the quiet. Our babies were not even. Ma'am go to the library. They were not even crying.

They were literally just like, ba ba ba ba, like cute. Yeah. Whatever. And also we're outside on a hike. So then my friend was like. Did you say something? No, but my friend did. He was like. Okay.

That's not even a real golden retriever. She said, you have a mutt. Why the dog catcher? Yeah, that dog did nothing wrong. My friend is also like a weirdo. That woman is the type of woman who like would take that so seriously. But he struck a nerve. I still feel like it's unfair to shit on the dog.

He struck a nerve. Okay. He was just like, that's not even a real golden. And she turns around and she's like, actually it is a real golden. It's a field golden retriever. And he's like, okay, sure. That's one of the stories that's like,

that would make me wanna leave Los Angeles for the rest of my life. It's like shit like that. It was really funny. And then we couldn't escape her because we kept catching up and it was just, it was funny. She's never gonna get to the quiet.

It just reminds me when I was a kid and there's, you know, the kids movies where there's always the character in the movie that's an adult that hates the little kids and things like that. I remember being a kid and thinking, who are those people? How do you become such a miserable fucking person?

And then you grew up and you realized those people actually exist. It was kind of fascinating. Yeah, I witnessed a man cussing at his children at the park and I ran over there and was like, that's enough. And then his poor kids looked so scared and I was like, do you know this man?

They were like, yeah. And I was like, you can't talk to them like this. And he like got on his bike and was like, we're leaving and everyone rode off. But I definitely insert myself in people's business a little too much when I think something's wrong. Sorry, I stand up for what's right. You do. She does. I've really, I've really enjoyed Nellie's mama bear energy since having, I experienced Nellie's mama bear energy when having I experienced my Nellie's mama bear energy when we were first dating and someone was talking shit about me in the line at Prince Street Pizza in New York.

Great deal. I was in a fight with them. Great pizza. Fantastic pizza. We have a great week lined up for you. Hope you had a great Memorial Day weekend because this week is going to be jam packed. Later this episode, our friends Max and Peter Murgatroyd join us, my former Dancing with the Stars partner and her husband join us to talk a little secret lives of Mormon

wives with us. And then tomorrow for Going Deeper, really excited for you guys to hear this episode. Jen and Zach Affleck join us to dive deep into their relationship. Obviously, I think everyone's watching season two of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but they stopped down filming. They did not finish the season due to Jen's mental health, so we'll get an update from Jen and Zach about their relationship,

and we dive deep into the relationship. Obviously, they had a lot of controversy in season one, specifically Zach. I think a lot of people were kind of shocked by some of the growth that we saw from Zack, or at least the perception of growth. We don't really know, I don't know how genuine it is. Seems legit.

But you will be able to find out tomorrow. Well, you can decide for yourselves what you guys think. So it's a great episode, lot to dive into. They have a lot to say about their relationship, as well as the rest of the women, specifically Demi, and that whole drama that's unfolding as well. Thursday we have Danny and Nia from The Valley.

Danny and Nia from The Valley? And we also have Chris Clemens, period. Love that guy. He's hilarious, we love him. Also big reality TV fan, so excited for Chris to join our show. And just a reminder, Janet is the worst. I mean, honestly. In case you didn't know.

Yeah. In case you didn't know, in case you forgot, it's, you know, usually people make mistakes. She makes them all the time. It's like, maybe this is not a mistake. Maybe it's just, she is. I feel like Janet is the person on the plane who hates babies.

Yes, I agree. Honestly, that woman kind of was giving a little Janet energy. Yeah. It's just, it's so- I don't know, I would like to think that maybe having a kid softened her, but it doesn't seem like it really quite has.

I feel like Janet's the, Janet gives like her kids fine, but her kid is better than any other kid and any other kid is probably a demon from hell. Yeah. That's how Janet reads to me. Have y'all been seeing what Justin Bieber, is what's going on in the Justin Bieber,

Hailey Bieber camp of it all? Yes, because it will not go away. I see it everywhere. I open Instagram, it's there. I open TikTok, it's there. And I can't look, it's partially my fault because I can't look away, but like. And I've always been on the side of like,

protect Hailey, Justin, let's leave them alone. Like all of this outside nonsense is so annoying, blah, blah, blah, whatever. But the recent stuff that's been that just, the caption under her Vogue cover. Shall we read it? Starting with that. Dramatic read?

Okay. Yes. But then going into his performance with SZA. But starting with, Hailey got the cover of American Vogue, which that is just the hardest thing. It's what any model could have ever dreamt of in their entire life is American Vogue cover. And he posts her cover and he says, yo, this reminds me when Haley and I got into a huge fight.

I told Hales that she would never be on the cover of Vogue. Yikes, I know, so mean. For some reason, because I felt so disrespected, I thought I got to get even. I think as we mature, we realize that we're not helping anything by getting even. We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, which is intimacy and connection. So baby, you already know, but forgive me for saying you wouldn't get a Vogue cover,

because clearly I was sadly mistaken. Huh? It's a weird time to make... to talk about a perceived growth moment for you. But then he deleted it and changed the caption to just a bunch of emojis. Cryptic emojis. Just random emojis. He deleted it clearly after he got yelled at by his wife. Yeah, but this is the thing.

It's like, you knew, like this is a massive moment for Hailey and then to like, you know that this will make headlines. You know that this is like not a supportive caption. Do you think he thinks that way though? A hundred, he's been in this industry for so long. If he doesn't, then he needs to like, hand over the password. Have a better team around him.

What I was thinking at first was just like, okay, this is his humor, this is their relationship. Like they clearly, they clearly have this like fun little jokey relationship, right? But then it's like the public perception about their relationship is that he hates her. That's what most people are like speculating. And so it's like you're just feeding into it

by putting a caption up like this. It's like, it's fine if that's your relationship, but like, careful. His behavior online recently has been odd, I think to put it kindly. But then with his performance as SZA. It's hard to talk shit because he did compliment my sweater once and was very lovely.

Very kind. Very lovely to both me and my wife, Natalie. So it's odd behavior. I just feel like he's been through a lot. I don't know. But yeah. I would never give the like specifics. Like people say crazy things when they're mad.

And like for him to have given the specific words he said to her, like, and it's because I felt disrespected and I had to get even. So then everyone's been like, well, why'd you feel disrespected? What did Hailey do to you? Like, you're just opening it up to so many more conversations that aren't about Hailey

on the cover of Vogue. It just reminds, it just, it reads like, you know, like, when you have an announcement of some kind and people will say, you know that one time, like they reflect on a moment, you know, where it's, you know, they try to tell a story like he was, but it's just like, he's telling it as if like,

like people are gonna pat him on the back or like this is a sweet moment. Like it reads from his mind that he thinks he's being sweet. It's like he's showing personal growth or whatever. And oh, by the way, I'm really proud of my wife, but yeah, all it does is kind of take from her moment. It's giving like you make it big,

you're accepting your Oscar or whatever, and you're like that one professor back in college said I'd never make it and look at where I am, so fuck you to that professor or like thank you to that professor for lighting the fire under my ass. But it's like in this situation, Justin Bieber is the professor and he's her husband.

Yeah, it's crazy. You know that she got pissed and yelled at him and the reason why you just got a bunch of emoji is because he was like, fine, I'll just change it. And he like was kind of a smart ass and was like, I'll just do emojis then. Which like kind of makes it worse. I know.

Makes it totally worse. If that's what it is, it makes it way worse. Cause that's not an apology. It's like, fine, I'll change it, whatever. That was a defiant Justin being a smart ass and like just putting emojis, which is basically like another. Yeah, and then you have the SZA of it all

where he was like holding her hand and kissing her hand on stage. Which Haley was in the audience, she was recording, you know, I know that she is a huge fan of obviously the both of them. They've worked together on, you know, a couple of songs in their careers, but that the way that Justin Bieber is around

every other woman but his wife is alarming. The smile that lights up on his face when he is around any other woman, but his wife is alarming. Like I have never seen him interact with Hailey publicly, the way that he interacted with SZA on stage in front of millions of people. It's crazy.

I've been, this is a weird like comparison to make, but I've been rewatching The Last Dance, the Michael Jordan documentary and for any last dance. You're just getting to that? I've watched it before. She's been watching. I watched it. I had COVID when I watched it, so I didn't fully process and I watched the Knicks game and got inspired.

But anyway, I feel like Justin Bieber is at the same time, Michael Jordan and Jerry Krause. Like he is his own Jerry Krause. And that- I wonder how many people listening to this understand that reference. I definitely don't. For all you Last Dance heads and any Bulls fans out here.

I remember Danny watching it. Yeah, he just needs a pippin. You know what I'm really interested in? JoJo Siwa and Chris Hughes' relationship because they are together. I mean, they just are at this point. Like they were photographed kissing. I did speak with JoJo the other day.

I can confirm that she is really happy. Okay. So whatever that means. That's all I can confirm. All right. I mean, I think anyone posting a photo of a man's hand wrapped around your leg. Yeah. Seems like a hard launch to me. You think that's a hard launch photo?

That is a hard launch photo. If I saw that from anyone, if I saw a man's veiny hand on someone's thigh I would be like there together Do you think how you keep your car like tells everything about who you are? I hope not I have six coffee cups in my car right now, so I sure hope not Yeah, I I don't agree either Chris Jenner seems to think it says everything about you. It does speak to your organizational skills I'll give her that yeah, like I'm not an organized person and your discipline because it's like you you get It does speak to your organizational skills. I'll give her that. Like I'm not an organized person. Me either. And your discipline because it's like

you get out of your car every day. Do you wanna grab the trash or do you wanna leave it in there? Do you have the discipline to grab it and throw it in the trash can? Or are you gonna leave it in there cause you're a little lazy? It's a micro discipline.

Nick still has the breast pump that I gave him to give you, Leia, that I never used in his trunk. Nick. I don't know. I have this issue where I will literally bring. So I'll drink a coffee on my way in, but I don't put it in a travel mug. I just use a regular mug and I fully just bring that mug in my car.

And then it just stays in my car. And I know it's psychotic. Yeah, that's why half the time I come in here, I have a coffee stain on my shirt. And I know it doesn't make sense. And I know it's an insane treat that I have. I love taking a roti and a coffee mug. Yeah shirt and I know it doesn't make sense and I know it's a Insane, I love taking a roadie and a coffee mug. Yeah with a lid though No, no, but I do bring it inside when I get back home Yeah, I I don't do that and they stack up. I literally have my entire pantry in my car I'm aware it's a psycho thing to do but that's like my one thing that I've tried to change and I just cannot knock the Habit of so Chris Jenner would probably think

I'm a extremely disorganized messy person and she may be right. I did read somewhere though that the messier you are, it just means that you're more creative. Period. Oh my God, y'all love this. Y'all love this game. Where did you read that?

I don't know. In your own notes app, did you write it yourself? My therapist told me that. People are always like, people who smoke weed are way smarter than anyone who doesn't smoke weed. People who don't do laundry are way more intelligent than people who do, it's like, y'all are making shit up. So it gets me through the day.

You guys, we have to have something. People with messy cars are so creative. Anyways, props to Kris Jenner, her new face. Her new face is, have you seen her new face? Yeah. It's pretty impressive. She's got a great face. No notes. Yeah, the money she paid is money well spent

and it looks incredible, you know. It looks really great. Yeah. I feel bad for just the other like grandparents in Kris Jenner's grandchildren's lives because you know that they don't look the same way that Kris Jenner does. So I. Because you know that they don't look the same way that Kris Jenner does. So I feel like all of the kids are like,

Grammy, Sally Lu's grandma doesn't look like you do. You know, like she's 80 and she looks 80. You really think Kris Jenner's hanging out with other, with poor grandparents? No, who they go to school with, I would imagine. I don't think she hangs out with them, but like who these kids go to school with, or if they go to their friend's house and they see a grand, you know, like that doesn't mean Kris Jen think she hangs out with them, but like who these kids go to school with or if they go to their friend's house

and they see a grant, you know, like that doesn't mean Christian or hanging out with them. I just feel like wherever their kids go to school, I feel like they all have enough money to get that type of work if they wanted it. I've never seen that good of work before. Yeah.

This was A plus. Yeah. She set the standard. Yeah. Before we move on from Jenner Kardashian land though, I do need to give a quick round of applause to Kim for graduating law school. It wasn't law school.

What? No, she graduated law school after six years. It was like an online course. I think she is allowed to like take the bar, but I don't think it was officially law school. It was, so rather than attending law school, Kardashian didn't graduate from college. So she planned to do a four-year apprenticeship with a law firm in San Francisco and then take the bar in 2022. That's allowed under California law, but COVID stretched the timeline. She passed the so-called

baby bar in December 21 after a fourth swing at the test. In March of this year she passed the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam. A passing MPRE score is required before a person attempts to pass a bar in the United States. Kardashian hasn't revealed yet when she will attempt to pass the California Bar Exam. The two day test is administered twice a year in February and July. What's the baby bar?

Maybe it's just like the pre-test, like the PSAT. I don't know. I didn't go to law school, I don't know. I mean, props to her though, I mean, cool accomplishment. The Baby Bar is a first year law student's exam required in California for students at unaccredited law schools or those studying law through alternative methods.

Whatever, okay. Hey, she's doing law through alternative methods. Yeah, whatever. Okay Just hey, she's doing the damn thing. She is yeah More than I did. I didn't go to law school. I didn't go to law school either obviously All right well up next our friends Max and Peter Murgatroyd join us to talk a little secret lives of Mormon wives and then Following that we'll get into the summer house finale and a little Atlanta housewives since Phaedra is back in town and on our screens once again. Let's bring out Max and Peta. Moms know the hustle is real with work, kids, errands and everything in between. There's

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Finally letting him on. He's been begging, he's been knocking down the door. Well, when I was dancing partners with Peta, there was speculation that Max and I were in a secret love affair. So I had to put those rumors to rest. Really? Yeah. knocking down the door. Well, when I was dancing partners with Peta, there was a speculation that Max and I were in a secret love affair. So I had to put those rumors to rest. Yeah.

Yes. Is that real? Maybe. Well, I was pretty obsessed with him. Yeah. He's a handsome guy. He is handsome. We had a nice relationship.

It was nice. Yep. Yeah. Peta, was there any part of you that thought that Nick would win? Or were you like, this is sweet, he's so sweet. You can be honest. No.

You put Peta on the spot with the 30 steps. Was I better than you thought I would be? Yeah, no, you were decent. You weren't terrible at all. I think your nerves just got the better of you. Yeah, 100%. I was way better after I got eliminated. Right, when we came back and did little ditty again,

yeah, you were better. But you were memorable, right? You were memorable, and that's what's important. There were a lot of great dancers who you can't remember. I honestly think most people would forget that I was on that show, but thank you for saying, Max. I don't think so.

I appreciate the kind words. Before we dive into some secret lives and what you guys have been up to, I do want to tell a very sentimental story that comes with a little bit of sadness. And, Pita, I think you know what I'm talking about. But obviously not too long ago, Nellie and I opened up and shared about our misfortunes when it came to the miscarriages that Nellie experienced. And upon the second miscarriages that Nellie experienced. And upon the second, well, after Nellie had her first miscarriage, my mom, who follows PETA on Instagram,

was like, you know who you need to reach out to? You need to reach out to PETA, because PETA, obviously if you follow PETA, sadly has experienced her own miscarriages and has been open, very open, and has shared her story on her social. And so when we were at the doctor's office, finding out that now he was beginning to, Ms. Carrie again, I was literally in the doctor's office

and I was thinking, I gotta reach out to PETA, now I was really going through it. We've obviously talked about just how alone you feel when going through that process. I think he even mentioned to our doctor, we've got this friend. Oh really? And we should reach out to her, yeah, that process. I think he even mentioned to our doctor, like we've got this friend. Oh really? And we should reach out to her, yeah, that day. Because yeah, we're in our doctor's office

and she's trying to say the right things and make us feel better and talked about just having a community. And yeah, I brought Peta up and Natalie had to, we had to stop at, shout out to CVS, we had to stop and get some prescriptions for Natalie. And we get, we leave the doctor's office,

we drive to CVS, I'm in line and I see this blonde woman in front of me and I'm like, man that looks a lot like Peta but there's no way that's Peta. And sure as shit. Yeah because I was like that day. Like coming out in my pajamas and slippers and my hair rolled up in a bun. And I was like, I'm coming out in my pajamas and slippers and my hair rolled up in a bun. You looked fine.

You looked fine. But I was just like, there's no way. And sure as shit, there you were. And it just, I'm not a very spiritual person, but it seemed, it was a very crazy, it really felt like a moment and I could not believe it was a truly like one like a very I don't even know how to describe it but like there's a lot of CVS's and the fact that we ended up at the same CVS at the same time after talking about you and literally the one person in this universe I would wanted to run into in that moment so that you know because I really didn't have the words you know

I really didn't know what to say to Natalie in that moment. And really it was just like my friend, Peter. And then we had talked and I'm like, can you come out to the car? And Peter came out to the parking lot and consoled Natalie and shared some very sentimental things. And honestly, it was a huge help to both of us. So it was a very beautiful moment. It was a great running into you.

And I don't know, signs or whatever, but it was a very special moment. So anyways, thank you for doing that for us. But- Of course. I feel like it was such a special moment and so serendipitous. Is that the right word?

Serendipitous? Yeah, serendipitous is a great movie. It was like, I couldn't believe that you were behind me. I was actually thinking, I remember saying to you, I was like, oh, is she pregnant? And then you were like, no, it's actually the opposite. And my face just, I felt terrible with even, you know, saying is pregnant when it was the opposite kind of thing. And to be able to look, it's so hard when you're going through something like that,

because nothing is really going to make you feel better in that moment. Like you're in it, you're in like the worst part of it. And like for me, when we were going through it multiple times, like four times, not nothing he could really say was comforting to me, because all I wanted was to try again the next month to try again and I couldn't even get it in my head that like I need to relax, I need to just chill and wait for it to happen. When it's going to happen, it's going to happen. So kudos to you, babe, for like even listening to what I had to say because in that moment you're just distraught, you're upset, you're sad, you're angry, like everything. So, but I'm happy that I could say something that would

maybe be comforting. No, you did. Yeah, you definitely, it was, that was a tough moment for me. And to, I think you kind of were just like, there's nothing that I can say to you. And it was just like that comforting feeling of, because I felt like people kept trying to say stuff to me. I was like, it's not helping. It's not helping. That's not helping. And then for you to just be like, I can't say anything.

Honestly, like you just have to feel this. And it was like, oh, thank God. Yeah, you're right. Thank you for that. It's rough time. Yeah, and just deal with it and get on with it when you're ready too. It's like, everyone would say to me,

hey, you're fine. Don't worry about this one. Like just get over it. when you're ready too. It's like everyone would say to me, Peter, you're fine. Don't worry about this one. Just get over it. You'll get pregnant soon. And I was like, shut the fuck up. Don't keep saying that to me. Just let me cry for a whole day, at least a day. Just leave me alone.

Well, you now have three healthy baby boys. How is everything at home doing? Is you, is it a madhouse? It's, it's utter chaos. It's mad. It's like hurting chickens. Um, because two of them are obviously still in diapers and Shai is eight years old. So he's like our little helper, but I cannot believe I have, we have three children. How many months apart are the two youngest?

I'd say like 13 months. Under 12 months actually. Under 13 months, under 13. We have a June and a July. June and July, so yeah. Wow. It was very unplanned. And everybody's looking at me like I knew

that this was gonna happen. It was absolutely above me. Yeah. No, it's actually funny though, because we had a moment when I found out that I was pregnant again like three months postpartum and I had just started back dancing again. I had my body back feeling, you know, I was feeling pretty much myself. We had started, you know, going on date nights again, we had, you know, just been maybe have to, you know, but getting back into it and then bang pregnant

again. He cried like immediately in the bathroom. We were both together just in shock thinking how are we going to do this? Because we were in an apartment, we didn't have enough room. You know, we needed to move, we were just, I was in the middle of the season, he was crying because he knows what's happening next, you know? And then I was crying because I was like... Day three had to be postponed from like another year and a half, you know? So, yeah, so it was like, we were shell-shocked, but obviously super happy as well. It was just like a juxtaposition of emotions. Just like, oh my gosh, how are we going to do this? But it really is the universe really telling you don't get to pick, you know, you don't

get to plan life, so to speak. Yeah, exactly. I wanted to say, I had that when we just moved to Malibu, it was in the hills of, I think, one of the first miscarriages. And at that point, it was already too many. And we just moved to get the hell away from whatever the space area we wanted, you know, the ocean. I mean, how lucky we are to even talk about moving to having moved to Malibu at some

point. Anyway, it was a fantastic experience. But I remember first week we got there, I'm in the park with Shai and this lady comes up and she just started talking and she had two kids and she said the same thing. She's like, when we were trying to actively trying to have them, didn't work, didn't work, didn't work. IVF didn't work. Decided screw it, went to a vacation and then after that got pregnant back to back. And it seems like it was our moment, although that lady is no one that I knew

would never seen her again, but it felt that way. But then again, the second part that you guys said, it is nothing to do with any of this. It's about you and when you get over it. And it's so hard to witness and see from the side that realization that I can't, I'm completely powerless. Everybody around me is also powerless. I can't get anybody to help me with this

because it's just about how strong the person is. And so all the kudos to all the ladies that go through all this stuff because it's literally about how strong the person is. And so all the kudos to all the ladies that go through all this stuff because it's literally just you by yourself. How did you guys work on staying connected through all that trauma, obviously, because when couples experience any kind of trauma, it's very easy to disconnect.

And moments when you don't know what to say, I think often like us guys tend to just not say anything at all. And I remember when Nellie experienced her first miscarriage, I had this kind of epiphany of just realizing just how quickly it is to disconnect in those moments when you have these very difficult times.

But obviously you guys got through it and made it to the other side. But how were you able to do that? Oh my gosh, that's a tough question. We went through so much shit, like with him being in Ukraine at the time of the war as well, I was having a miscarriage during that time. There was so much shit piled on top of us

that we have been through. And I'm really proud to say that we're still here, married with three kids and super happy. Like, I think that's a really big sort of pat on the back for us because yeah, those moments were extremely difficult and isolating and where I don't want to leave the house because I don't want to see anybody. I don't want to be happy. He's trying to make me happy and he was amazing, but also it's hard for him too because he doesn't know what to say.

He can't say, babe, we'll try again later because it's just, if nothing seems to work. We're also part of a generation that started to be happy couples themselves and a lot of our friends are getting pregnant and having babies and we're celebrating them quietly, not celebrating at home. And so it's also like, it's not a pat on the back. It's more like that's what couples have to overcome. And it may seem like, well, what do you have to worry about?

Look at your life, it's beautiful, it's sparkling and stuff. But it's the emotional, you know, behind closed doors, nobody really knows where you go to. I want to say what kept us together. I think it more so exposed the us as a couple that is a couple for the right reasons. We didn't just get together for and I think that's the difficulty nowadays is that people get together for the beautiful times or in the beautiful moments. We never, you know, it's rare that you have

a near death experience and then you're like, oh my God, this is my person, right? Usually it's in a beautiful setting. You guys have a gorgeous date and fall in love. When you experience these type of things is when you find out if it's really the person for you, you know, and I think that we found out about each other a lot, but most importantly is when you find out if it's really the person for you. And I think that we found out about each other a lot,

but most importantly about, I found out about me towards Peter, exactly what my feelings are, exactly how I feel about my role for the rest of our life together. This is a without a doubt person that I wanna spend that lifetime with. And so it made me realize a lot of things about myself. It was very hard for me to be

nurturing because I'm like this tough kind of like, get up, let's go. Let's just 10 more pushups. You'll be fine. You know what I mean? Pat in the back. I literally, I remember saying to you, like, I need time to sit in my bed and fucking cry. Like, just leave me alone for a second. Don't bring me anything. Just let me cry. Because the pain was too great to just get up and go and again, you know, and then celebrate somebody else who, which I did many times go and celebrate somebody who was pregnant, but it was very, it was tough on the inside.

But, but it's the, it's the, it's the reality. It was pregnant, but it was very, it was tough on the inside. But- But it's the, it's the reality, it's real love. I just want to point it out. You know, if it's real, it'll survive all of the ups and downs. But to answer your question too, like we're also still trying to figure out things as well.

Now with three small children and finding time for each other, this is literally why we're in Vegas by ourselves for two nights to get away, to not have kids at the door and to spend time because we realized we do disconnect a ton over the past two years. We really have had to work on it

because the kids are coming first and we have to separate it at some point and say, they're fine, leave them with the nanny for two days, we're going to go away and do our own thing. And we're still working on it. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you guys sharing that. And I agree with you, Max, too. We've shared our initial honeymoon story where we got turned down at Turks and Caicos, but it was a... What? Yeah, we don't have to get into it.

But we ended up having a lovely honeymoon two weeks later in Puerto Rico. But to that point, in that moment, I actually like, at the time, it was like, I can't believe this is happening, and Nellie was crying, and River was three months old, and I'm like, oh my god, this is supposed to be fresh off of the high of our wedding.

But that was the first moment, we just got married, but it was, this is supposed to be like fresh off for the high of our wedding. But like that was the first moment, we just got married. So, but it was the first moment where I felt like we had to come together as a family. We had to step up. Like, you know, it's, and honestly, I wouldn't trade that moment for anything because like, you know, it's like to your point,

it's easy to go and have a good time on a beach and celebrate, you know celebrate the good times, but when you choose to come together during trauma or during disappointment and things like that, you really feel like you have a partner. So yeah, it's weird how you look back and reflect on those moments versus when it's happening in real time. Yeah, 100%, yeah.

There's been a lot of stuff, but we're still here. What are you guys doing in Vegas? Other than connecting, are you gambling? You're going to shows? What are you guys doing? We'll have a little gamble for sure. I said to him when we were checking in, we gotta do Black Jack.

I love Black Jack. Just not a gambler. We're not big actors. I may look it, but Uncle Val is more for the Christina guy. I'm not a guy. But this is our stomping grounds. Peter and I share a lot of fun time in Vegas. We used to work here on and off, dance shows.

He was choreographing the reg and stuff like that. Shout out to Winn-Bottell. Who can I sell it to? There you go. Shout out to Winn. I heard there's some sort of like EDM festival going on there right now. Is that true or do you guys hear anything? We wouldn't know.

We're not going to leave you talking. I went to that before though. That was amazing. Okay. Yeah. I want to go too. See, she did so much stuff before our time together. Do you guys follow the casting of Dancing with the Stars?

Do you guys keep up with that too much? They recently announced Alex Earl. And Robert. And Robert Irwin. Yeah. Any thoughts on those two as the season approaches? Robert Irwin is a front runner. Right, I'm gonna say it right now.

Yeah, as soon as he walked out shirtless, he's so nice. I mean. He was front runner before the shirtless, it might be. Does he even have to be good at dancing to win? No, not really. Yes. No, yes, a little bit. He doesn't have to be the best.

I'm going to say the downfall here is that this is like, he's in the final. He's in the final. But if he walks out and just flat lines into the, you know. Yeah, if you flat line and you're not giving it your all and you're not trying, yes, people can see that and won't vote, but he's not the guy. He's definitely gonna try. He's a professional.

He comes from a very successful family. He has to show improvement, right? He just has to get better each week. Yes. It's a perfect character to do that. I think he already has the foundation. I'm just saying, I think he's taking some dance lessons. If he didn't, I would be surprised and shocked. Like, bro, you already own it. Go take some Chacha lessons. Well, I'm sure Bindi has told him what it's like, what you have to do to prepare. I mean, she won the show. But he was also there. I'm just saying practice, practice. Like yes,

you have some physical, you know, I did that. Is there anyone from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, who you would want to see? Taylor, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I would love for her to do it. I'm kind of a big fan. Yeah. I'm a big fan of her too. I'm sure there will be one of them on. You think so? Yeah, I think so. I think the crockhead is great. It's a very popular show right now. Max, I know PETA's watched. Have you watched at all? Do I have a choice? It's on the giant screen TV every time I pass by. So now are you like, are you, are you one of those husbands who like, yes, like once you tune in and you start having an opinion and then like, are you, are you checked out? No, he watches from the kitchen secretly.

Like you can see him like doing one of these ones. I keep on, I'm feeding my, I'm feeding number two, Rio and he's like, he's watching a little bit, not watching a little bit. Crazy. But if he hooks me, then I come in, I'm like, I can't believe she said that. Three episodes ago, she said some stuff. But with that show specifically, I'm like, I'm just having so many, you know,

it's so intriguing just because it's from, you know, it's about religion-based, you know what I mean? It's just, it's not computing with me. As the Mormon. Well, you guys, actually, you're fairly familiar with the Mormon religion. A lot of your dancing partners and other professionals, the Mormon community has a strong dancing legacy, right?

That's why probably 47% of those Mormon wives definitely have some kind of dance background. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's some, you don't like her character, but you're gonna see some dancing, you know what I mean? So I think there's gonna be that type of casting. Peter, who's your favorite and least favorite of the group of women?

Oh, well, my opinion changed this season. My favorite is Taylor, just because she's so raw. She's so authentic. She puts everything out there and really doesn't let the show hinder her with like her vulnerability. And I think other people are definitely holding back in their personal lives, like what is actually going on. Um, and I would say my least favorite right now is Demi. Because it's come out like the villain. It's just, yeah.

It's really tough because like this usually, you know, like we get to meet a lot of these characters on TV a lot. We, you know, a lot of the people we talk about, we don't. So we're usually just talking about their edit. We recognize it's an edited show. So we're really talking about characters. But Natalie and I have really gotten to know these women pretty well. And Demi is someone we've gotten to know and meet. And we've enjoyed our interactions with Demi. So sometimes it's a little shocking. It's been tough to watch this season with Demi. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I'm sure because obviously I've never met her and my opinion could be completely swayed in the other direction if I did, but her edit this season is giving like, I want to cause trouble. We've also gotten to know the other women as well, and they would say this is not an edit. Well, I mean, it's hard to say it's an edit when it's just the things coming out of her mouth. It's after Jen's apology video and her being like,

I don't buy it. I was like, that was harsh. Yeah, she's just like, man, man, she seems to be really struggling with her mental health, and man, she's pregnant, and oh just like, man, she seems to be really struggling with her mental health. And like, man, she's like pregnant and like, oh, boy. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I know. And then you hear about this, like the Vanderpump Villa. No, I'm just saying reality TV.

I will always hold my head on one sentence. I was told that very late in the game. Yeah. If I was said that in my mid to late 2000s, my career may have been different, but I was told like, yeah, you know, it's about the edit, but if you didn't say it, we don't have it to use. So it was like, man, that's so correct. It was so correct.

If you don't say it, leaving it up to the editors to pick and choose what they want you to be represented by. I'm like, well, why don't you choose 30 hours of me being nice? You chose me being this way. So I sympathize with the types that, oh, why are they portraying you as a villain? You're so nice in person. I'm like, Nick, you know me, I'm very nice in person. But I've also said it. You're the nicest.

You know? I did say it on TV anyway. I feel that way about those type of cats. Yeah. I think for the most part, that's true. We were having this conversation with some friends earlier today. And I've said this a million times,

but I think more people actually are made to look better and more charming than they are in real life than actually made to look worse. I think honestly, Bachelor is maybe more guilty of things because to your point, Max, a lot of what we're seeing this season with Demi, we're seeing her in a confessional. We're seeing the words come out of her mouth.

We are watching it. There's lots of times, for example, depending on the edits, Bachelor is notorious for, you'll see someone walking and having an interaction, and you hear their voice, right? And so it's like, it's like a, so, and they could be, they could have been saying that about someone else three weeks ago in a pick up,

and then it's like, okay, that's context that's been completely changed. But when it comes to this show, there's very little of that. You're seeing the words coming out of these women's mouth. And I also think it's a lot harder when it comes to a recurring, you know, we're in season two, right? I mean, we didn't know if season one, you know,

when season one came out, you know, you don't know how successful it's gonna be. But when you have a recurring cast and you have an ensemble cast, it's a lot harder for a production company to get away with changing storylines or putting things out of context because you're gonna have characters call it out, right?

You know, if you're screwing over half the cast, they're gonna be like, this is bullshit and you'll lose your cast, right? Bachelor gets away with it because it's 30 new people every season. If one or two people are made to look bad, everyone else who's looking good is like, yeah, this is who they are and things like that.

But when it comes to this, with this show, I think it's easier to believe that what they're showing us is more honest than not. And if anything, there are things we don't get to see because they're being taken out of the show. And there's actually more tea and more things that could be exposed that are not being exposed. Totally.

I mean, in talking on that point, I was thinking, was there more context to when Demi went ran to her husband and said that he put his hands on her? Because I was like, what I saw? Like, I would never run to my husband and say, this guy put his hands on me because that sentence is so big and so That sentence is so big and so, it implies such a force, you know? And I just did not agree with that whatsoever. And then I was wondering, I was like, wait,

something else must have happened because it couldn't have been the little poke in the side that he did to her, because that's insane. The big question is, is the thing that happened, what happened in Vanderpump Villa with this Marciano guy, and that was filmed before even season two was filmed, and we've heard this from the women,

accused of me of playing chess and attempting to be multiple steps ahead. And it's just the more you watch the season with Demi coming after Taylor, coming after Jen, trying to like, you know, it's coming after Jess. The Jay-Z style stuff, well, it's just like the way... I forgot what episode, I don't know, it was eight or nine or whatever. And when Demi's crying and yelling at the rest of the women and being like, I'm the most loyal person in this group. No one is as good of a friend like me. And like this is following her trying to get Jess kicked off the show because

just wouldn't, just wouldn't basically just was willing to take less money than Demi and Demi wanted all the women to collude together to get more money. This was after the Jay Z styles and her kind of talking shit about Jesse's business. And it's just like, where's the, I mean, again, I hate saying this because I've really enjoyed my time with Demi, but like, it's just like, it's hard to defend what we're seeing here. We've heard, we've heard from Macy and Michaela, they accused Dem me of last season being willing to fake an affair with Dakota.

Which I saw Brett responded to that and kind of said that all of the producers, I guess, had asked, like, what are we gonna do for the finale? And all the women were kind of throwing out these like crazy ideas and all of them were jokes, as Brett recalled. So, to me being like, oh, I should have this alleged affair with Dakota, implying we're all swingers, maybe that would be so fun. Maybe.

I could give them that. I could give them that. I don't know. I don't know if I would joke about that, but it's possible. Maybe it was all jokes, but it's been tough watching Demi. But I will say that pregnancy roulette was cruel. It was in episode nine where they all were in Louisiana

and they all took pregnancy tests, two of them knowing they're pregnant. Layla was like, I have this fun game. It's pregnancy roulette. Demi's been so open about her fertility struggles. And Demi even says before they play the game, like this feels cruel. Like, I don't know if I want to do this.

It was very cruel. Because she like hasn't seen a positive pregnancy test in since her last child. And she's been wanting that so much. And so they play the game and there's one and she gets emotional and then she pulls it and it's pregnant on the one that she pulls. And it's like this Michaela and Macy are the two. It's not hers. It's not hers. It's Michaela and Macy's who are pregnant. So bad. That's

just so messed up. So cruel. So bad. That's just like an awful game to play with someone who's been so open about their struggles with getting pregnant to be like, oh, how funny would this be if you like pulled out a positive pregnancy test, let's get your reaction. So I was hard. I was definitely team to me on that. That was a cool game. like ways that she's dealing with people this season is due to all of this, you know, because when you're trying to have a baby, I don't know, I'm just thinking of the reasons why I can't have a baby so quickly. Like when you're so desperate and in that desperation mode, maybe she's just gone off the rails a little bit and, you know, personality. Yeah. and personality. Yeah, maybe that's it. But her confidence in herself to call herself,

like the way she's like, she's called herself the fan favorite, she's called herself the most loyal, she's just very, she's very quick to. Be loud about herself, but those are the types. Never say that out loud. They have to scream it out about themselves, but those are the types. You know, when they have to scream it out about themselves. Chances are you don't feel that way by yourself either.

You know? The part I was most uncomfortable watching back, and you know, because I've watched it a few times now, was when, you know, the secret Sunday, or I think what it was, where one of the things randomly accused Brett of Cheating unto me. Yeah, and then they had the off mic moment and before the off mic moment where here she is trying to Talk to Brett about this accusation and then she throws out a bunch more rumors about her husband is

A way almost to deflect Yeah Her being like there's been so many rumors about you, like that one that you cheat on your first wife, the one that you were like a drug addict and you went to rehab, the one about you. It's like, who, what? And you can tell, like, Brett is just like,

what are you saying? Why are you saying this right now? Why would you say that on TV? Like, it was like really uncomfortable. And the more I hear the women say, she's playing chess, not checkers and things like that, it just kind of makes you wonder if Demi is this very calculated in a way that seems kind of malicious.

But I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, because again, she's always been lovely to me. I don't know. I actually hate saying that because I guess because I guess just because she's lovely to me doesn't mean anything's not true, but I don't want to talk actually hate saying that because when you know just be I guess because I guess just because she's lovely to me Doesn't mean anything is not true, but I don't want to talk shit on a friend or anything, but right yeah, it's like damn It's like Yeah

Keep it real you know I gotta hear it's hard to watch some of the things It is hard to watch some of the things. It's also a part of the cast. I also feel some kind of way about these. So this is where I come in and she's like, after 11 decade plus years of us together, she's like, you know what, stay away. Because if I come in, then I'm like, wait a minute, did she really mean it or is this like a ploy

or is this a plot, like you said, she has checkers. For me, validating. Yeah, you don't make it. You take the fun out of it. Exactly. Yes. And so I try not to ruin it for her, but like I can minimally put the casting. Well, you come in halfway through too sometimes.

The casting. It's somebody casts the people. 2025, we know how to do that professionally. There's a line of people that I will look bad on TV, whatever that means. The villain. I'll be the villain. Yeah. I'll be the blah, I'll be the blah blah blah.

I'll say outrageous things because it seems like it's easy. But I think it's a strategic sort of casting where anybody can be portrayed another way. I mean, this is all... Well, the villain is a top character. The villain is a big place to hold. That's a start. That place to hold. That's- That's a star. That's right up there with Taylor, you know?

She's competing with Taylor. Every bad man needs a joker, you know what I'm saying? No, that's really true. And Demi's playing the role very well. It's interesting, obviously, Jessie was on our show last week. Natalie asked Jessie if, you know, she noticed that Jesse wasn't wearing her wedding ring.

And Natalie had an excellent question, props by the way, and asked Jesse if Jordan, her husband, is the type of role model that she would want her daughters to look up to. Something like that? I think she was to look up to, something like that. I think she only has one daughter, but yeah. The type of man that she would want her daughter to. And she didn't.

She said no. She said no and didn't really even think too hard on it. I think we're gonna find out a lot more about this relationship in season three. I've heard from a very reliable source close to the situation and I'm not gonna say what it is, but what I will say, if what I heard is true again

Regardless of what this rumor is or not true about Marciano whether Jesse actually like cheated on Jordan with Marciano Not that it's ever justified to do that But I think if what I hear is true and if that is revealed in season 3 I think people are gonna quickly forget whatever Jesse did If what I hear is true and if that is revealed in season three, I think people are going to quickly forget whatever Jesse did to Jordan. And I think they're going to hate him. Wow. We'll have a new villain.

Yeah, it's dark. It made me not like him. Oh my gosh. Isn't that funny how you have like ironic and not funny. I don't know what the vernacular is like you just you you turn one wrong and you out wrong it with something you know and then it perpetuates the TV and the series I mean that's that's the way you do it you know right type of cast gives you everything. I just you know what what is what is to come of these characters? Like what's the next step for? They've all, I don't know.

I mean, they're very, I mean, there's a show that covers these shows, right? Like I have a ton of respect for all of them because to your point, Pita, like to play the villain is not easy. And all these women, you know, say what you want about their lives or whatever. And it's so easy to judge people from afar.

You guys know as much as anyone. You have friends and you guys have been through your shit and we've all been through shit. No one's life is perfect. It's all messy. We all try to figure it out. But these women are willing to truly show it all on television and they don't back down and they keep going.

It's almost as if they're just warming up because I hear as crazy as season two is that season three is out of control compared to season two. Are they already filming season three? I think they're just wrapping. They're almost done, yeah. Yeah.

I mean isn't it crazy how so much edgy television is coming out of Mormon Utah. Truly, there's a lot. I don't know, I think when you have a very devout religion that brings a lot of shame to people, people need outlets, you know? And I think, I honestly, you know, I think a lot of people have talked about

like what makes this show so unique or what makes, you know, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which is, you know, for us, one of the best Housewives franchises. Because those characters are so compelling, I feel like there's just like an element of, like I think especially for the Secret Lives of Mormon wives and mom talk, you know, you have these young women, these moms who, you know, it sounds like, you know, they all have their trauma,

and they all have been shamed and guilted and told what's good or what's bad, and it must be very liberating for them to be able to speak for themselves. You know, like even Jen and Zach, I mean, you know, who, by the way, again, we have on the show tomorrow, you know, you went by the way, again, we have on the show tomorrow, you know, you went from a relationship season one

where you, Zach, kind of just very much demonstrated this very, you know, toxic masculinity, this very, like, very stereotypical, you know, man from a very conservative community. And listen tomorrow, you can find out, you can judge for yourself what you think about their relationship, but what is clear is that like, Zach has flipped a switch,

in terms of like how he's approached it, but I can't help but wonder if it's because Jen feels more empowered to enforce a boundary. She feels, I think, more empowered to say, no, I'm gonna do it my way now. I'm the breadwinner here, I'm the star, you know? And not like in a cocky way, but like, again, you're talking about a community where men are dominant,

you know, where we're literally this community of people, you're told that like a man is in charge of the family and a woman's role is to, like women have roles, you know, a very specific role, and that is to like women have roles, you know, a very specific role, and that is to like follow the man, you know? And so here you have these women who've been empowered by this show and by their success, and they can finally stand up, they have found a voice,

and I feel like that voice gives them that confidence to show us who they really are, because in a way, as much drama as I'm sure has brought their lives, it has freed them from a life of almost, you know. Is that bound? I feel- Yeah, it's kind of fascinating that way, you know? Yeah, but that's the appeal

because so much of the show is based around religion and sex talk. And I know that's just such a black and white thing to say, but it truly is. Sex is a huge, huge part of the show. That's what they talk about 90% of the time. And that's what people wanna watch, the juxtaposition of the strong religion,

the devout Mormon faith, and then them having a sex party. It's a big change. Yeah. And it's also the same topic, But yeah, maybe you're right, because they keep it such a taboo to talk about growing up. It's like, yeah, there's an age that you can then with that one person chosen for the rest of your life, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then to your point, maybe you just feel free and they go off. I just I don't know, I find it. It's fascinating. It's fascinating because you can take the devout route and you can take that through line. You could take the other route and like the promiscuous part of it and that through line and then you can pick and choose again going back to

the other point. You can pick this type of sound effect or this type of what is this, on-tier or OTF, right? On-the-fly interview and insert it. But I like that they have, they can be both. That's what I like to see. Like they can still go to church if they want to and do the other things, the promiscuous things too. That's what I want to see because I believe you should be able to have those. Yeah, no, it's an excellent point, Peter. They have really said, which I respect as someone who grew up very Catholic and conservative is like you can still have a connection to your faith. And even if you don't follow all the rules that like, let's be honest,

some man or some person a few hundred or a few thousand years ago, certainly not the beginning of time, decided to write in a book. And it's like, you know what, I'm just gonna not do that. And you know what, maybe I'll still might be good. You know, it's just like, I love how they're kind of redefining what their faith means to them.

Yeah, it's just fascinating to watch. And I think we should all be grateful for all these women for their honesty. I mean, it's just fascinating to watch. And I think we should all be grateful for all these women, for their honesty. I mean, it's incredible television. And whether we criticize what we see on these episodes or things, or we're shocked by what comes out of their mouth, I'm still very grateful for their willingness to do that.

Because if we're gonna sit down and be entertained by this, yeah, you can judge the behavior, but I think you have to, you know, judging the person is harder to do unless you're Janet from the Valley. Because then it's harder. Are you watching the Valley at all? I am. Yeah. Isn't Janet the worst? I mean, again, I think I have another episode or two to watch. But yeah, Janet something and we literally live in the same neighborhood area as them. Oh, funny.

Have you seen them out? I have not. It's just that the weirdest thing I haven't seen one of them. Um, but and we, and where that air won't come up every day. So that is, that is chaos that I can not. No, I think, I think I see Jacks. Oh, you've seen Jacks?

We go to Jacks' bar sometimes, which is cool. Oh really? Yeah. Okay. Is it good? Yeah, it is. It's great to watch a game. Yeah, it's good, like sporty thing.

But they're going through problems. Talk about problems. Oh. It's not. Yo. Well, Max and Peta, it's been great catching up with us. We'll let you get back to your romance in Vegas. Why don't you share it with my audience and Plug

and anything else you guys wanna plug, Plug Away. I think we are fully enjoying the parenting at the moment. I have my vodka I'm very proud of. I don't know how pluggy I can get with this, but you know, it's an incredible product that I'm very, very proud of. It's, you know, in the alcohol industry is very difficult and especially nowadays to have something that's moving in positive direction. It's a, you know, big pat in the back watching PETA with, you know, her skincare line and you know what she's doing

with that company is incredible. We're just enjoying every day you know and then see what happens next. Season 35 with Dancing with the Stars coming up. 34 actually. 34 we got that long. Yeah. It seems like 147 so. Yeah. But yeah what happens with that. Max, could, would you ever come back as a professional in Dancing with the Stars? Yes. Okay. Because I always joke with people that, like, I'm just a really hard worker,

but my wife is the star of the family. And I didn't know that when I met her, she was just a humble servant of the medical industry. Yes, of course. Jesus, like, Jesus Christ. But I've, I've, I talk to the powers that be, and I'm like, not Yes, of course. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. But I've, I've, I talk to the powers that be, and I'm like, not yet, not yet, but someday you're gonna wanna cast my wife

on Dancing with the Stars. Ah. And so. I believe it. I would be honored, Max. It would be so cool. If you would, you know, you know, I don't know if I wanna.

No, I mean, I'll take it, I'll take it. He's the hard, you know. You know, of course. It would be only right. You know what it is, you know what it takes. You know, you've been in the trenches. You've been with a nice one. Wait, actually, I don't know.

I don't know if I could take it. Have there ever been, has there anyone like done a second tour of Dancing with the Stars? Has anyone done it twice? Like if Nali got cast, could we do be a husband and wife duo? Even though I've done it before. If it was an all star season, we've had people come back for all stars.

But that was the only time. I mean, I would I'm very forgettable. No, it would be like they wouldn't even remember that I was on it the first time. We'll just cut out everything we talked about in the beginning. Yeah. You did a good job. You're memorable. But yes, if Nellie went on, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I want to. You know, some of those some of those guys, I don't know if I want to, you know, some of those guys, I

don't know, they got some bad reps, I'm just kidding. You Max, I would be honored. I would take great care of Nelly. I would take great care of Nelly. All right. We're going to call it now. One day we'll shoot for the stars, Max. All right, you two, go have fun in Vegas.

Thanks for coming on. I appreciate you. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. Love you guys. Alright, take care. Bye. Before we move on, is there any scenes from the final episodes we haven't really touched on? I mean, we have Demi yelling at Taylor's mom, which that was just a crazy scene to watch.

Yeah. It's one thing to have beef with someone, but to have beef with someone's mom. I mean, okay, I will say, Leigh-Anne showing up. Yeah. Like, you know, I would never fight rivers battles as much as like, I mean, when she's old enough to fight them herself, obviously.

I was gonna say, they're, they're, spelling. I was gonna say, they're, they're, spelling. Yeah. I will cut any bitch that needs to walk in front of my window. I'm a good kid, yeah. You need the plane. No, when she's able to fight her own battle, she will fight her own battles. But them doing the flashback to like, yeah, her calling Whitney and being like,

why aren't you at Taylor's baby shower? And then yeah, her showing up with the gift and then sitting there to like, are you back and forth with Demi? It's like, Taylor and Demi have never been that close of friends. Like, I don't think it was worth it for Leigh-Anne to get into forth with Demi? It's like, Taylor and Demi have never been that close of friends. Like, I don't think it was worth it for Leigh-Anne to get into it with Demi.

I think it, I mean, it only made Demi look worse, so maybe that was their goal. I just don't know what the fuck Demi is talking about when it comes to Taylor. I mean, just. It's the deflection. I'll say this, you know, here's a story about Taylor. I have interviewed a lot of reality TV stars on this show.

Hundreds, I don't know how many. Taylor, Frankie Paul, is the only person who before I interviewed her said, ask me anything, you can go as hard as you want. She's like, don't hold back. And she said it in a want. She's like, don't hold back. And she said it in a way where she was like, oh, I'll just, you know.

She was up for the challenge in a way. She really has nothing to hide. Sure, she can be messy. Yes, she can be a little toxic by her own admission. She's far from a perfect person, you know what I'm saying? She truly is a reality TV star in its truest form, but she is thoughtful of her peers. She shares the spotlight with her peers.

She's a good person, you know what I'm saying? And she, yeah, again, she shares the spotlight where these stories that we're hearing about Demi, from her talking shit about Jesse's business to trying to throw Jesse under the bus when negotiating season two. Just out of nowhere going after Taylor and just throwing these accusations her way

that just don't really add up. It's just like, it's weird. I think this is what it is. I think that in order to feel like she's Queen Bee, there always needs to be a common enemy. And so season one, it was Whitney, but now Whitney has come back and she's being like so chill. So it's hard to continue putting Whitney in that role.

Jen has kind of backed out because of her mental health, but even then Demi tried to be like, I don't buy it when she sent that video. But now it's like, okay, who else is there left to make common enemy number one? And it's Taylor because Taylor is, you know, has all the drama with Dakota and is messy. And it's like, but people aren't backing her this time.

And she's just confused because it's like- That's a great point, Leia. When you kind of follow those crumbs, it was like first she tried to go after... I don't know which was first, but it was like she tried to go after Jesse, didn't land. She tried to go after Jen, didn't land. And then she goes after Taylor, didn't land. And it's almost as if that moment at the end of the season where she's crying to the rest of the women being like, I would never act this way, is this almost like a projection of like the frustration, the tears came from a place that her plan wasn't working.

In a way. If you really think about it, is Demi up for the challenge of Taylor? Clearly not. I don't think anyone is. That's one person I would never fuck with. But you know why you don't fuck with someone like Taylor? She's unafraid.

Yeah. She is not trying to be perfect. She doesn't even really care about being the most liked. I mean, she has a ton of critics and she's just, she is comfortably herself and authentically herself. So that's not the type of person you wanna go up against in reality TV. Well, I think even Leila is catching on to her.

Taylor's got nothing to lose. Yeah, Leila's even catching on to it. And it's like Leila's so scared of Demi, but it's like in a battle between Demi and Taylor, it's like I'm switching sides. I'm choosing Taylor. I'm going to Taylor. Like I'm jumping off this ship as it's sinking.

Taylor is like the Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible of the Mormon lives. Like she's gonna do the stunts. Like if it's anyone versus Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible, like I'm gonna pick Tom Cruise and in the way that I'm gonna pick Taylor because she'll do it and she'll win. That's how I feel.

No, I mean, it's really incredible. I also just shout out to Sourdough. Yeah. Well, you know, Sourdough has been a big part of my life in 2025. It's, Lea, look up the health benefits of sourdough relative to regular bread. Cause I don't know. I just, I have, I have swapped out all bread

and replaced it with only sourdough. And I gotta say, I'm feeling, I've got some. It's easier to digest. Okay. So it's primarily due to the fermentation process. It's easier to digest. Okay, so it's primarily due to the fermentation process. It's easier to digest, supports gut health, and may help regulate blood sugar levels. It also contains more beneficial nutrients

and may improve nutrient absorption. Why are we fucking with other types of bread then? Well, because brioche. Exactly. I'm 44 years old, going on 45, and the fact that I just discovered how delicious, not just discovered, delicious not to just discovered But I would eat sourdough like if it was like offered as an option is this like part of the portfolio of bread It's be like, you know, I'll fuck with sourdough today, you know, but like tomorrow I do like an unmultigrain

Yeah, but like given its taste Coupled with its health benefits. Like why would you do anything else just sourdough all the time? I agree a grilled cheese on sourdough. Oh, it's one of the best do anything else? Just sourdough all the time. I agree, a grilled cheese on sourdough, it's one of the best things you can have. Burger sourdough. I don't think you can have a sourdough pizza. Yeah, maybe not. I think that they do make sourdough pizza though.

Sourdough pizza? Yeah. I do believe Macy over Whitney. Oh, with her sourdough. Macy claims that Whitney took her sourdough starter. And Whitney says it's a lie and the other way around. I believe Macy. I believe Macy in all situations.

Like if any of these women are up against Macy, I believe Macy. Yeah. She seems like a, I believe, like Micaela and Macy, I believe. But I am confused like why, I mean, I'm not confused. I get it, but I'm like, Mikaela's really holding strong to the fact

that she will never be friends or forgive Whitney. I respect it. I love Whitney, but I respect it. What I love about it is that like it really seems like Mikaela has really found her voice and she's found it through hating Whitney. And she seems, honestly, at least from season one, like just healthier.

Like she's like seems like a healthier version of herself. And I just never seen hate of that degree be so beneficial to one person. And so, I don't know. It's beautiful. She really, I think it's also like, you're allowed to just not fuck with someone. And I think Michaela just does not fuck with Whitney.

And she's like, I'm not gonna just pretend I do for TV. I don't like you. The only thing that Michaela just does not fuck with Whitney, and she's like, I'm not gonna just pretend I do for TV. I don't like you. The only thing that Michaela's gonna have to acknowledge at some point is that she cares deeply about Whitney, because you can't hate someone that much and not give a fuck about them. No, you'd be indifferent. Yeah, you're right.

It's more, yeah. There is that. Oh, and then there was the whole CMAs drama. Which we saw play out in real time. And then we saw Natalie, Justin, and Sierra on the show. Episode eight. And I'm not bitter about it. That was a lot of fun.

That's involved, folks. Yeah. Nick, we were cut out of that. How do you feel? You know, in the spirit of Taylor, Frankie, Paul, I am happy to share in the attention of the success of my family. So no problem.

We got the signage on the show. I think I was on maternity leave. You know, we got the plug. Yeah, that's true. It was a little jump scare. Anyways, it was a great season. I'm sure we'll continue to talk about it as these women continue to perform on social media.

Hopefully there is more to come. I think there will be. Excited to see it. I hope you guys all join us in the ride. The Summer House finale was, again, great season. Once again, shout out to Lexi who carried this season. She was fantastic. One of the better rookie seasons for a Bravo star,

she stood on business and she had to do it all on her own. You know how intimidating it is to enter that house, a veteran cast of friends who like, let's just be honest, were a little mean girl to her? I think this was a terrible season for Ciera. Jesse, I mean, I don't know, Jesse's just kind of proven himself to be an unserious man giving boy who, you know, just like lives off these semantics of like, you know, well, I don't like you talking about my character when it's just like, well, then stop doing what you're doing. It's just like immediately flirting with a, yeah, we're on a reality show.

It's like, oh, okay. If you're following Bravo, I'm sure you've seen the news that's been reported everywhere that Jesse Solomon and Erika Jayne hooked up following the taking of Watch What Happens Live. Says the source. At this point, it's giving Jesse Solomon and Erica Jane hooked up following the taking of Watch What Happens Live. It says a source. At this point, it's giving Jesse Solomon has been reaching out to the press and telling

everyone that he hooked up with Erica Jane. It's being reported by people, page six, everyone. These outlets don't go that far unless they have someone like- Unless the source is the person. People magazines or a page six, give a Unless the source is the person. And when a People magazine or a Page Six give a source, it's the person. It's nine times out of 10 the actual person or their friend or a publicist or whatever.

Almost always. And I can't help but think what Lexi told us when we interviewed her, how basically, her talking about how Jesse just wants to, how he was so jealous of the attention that Wes got from being the villain. And it's just like, you know. I don't know.

I also think it's very interesting of Erika having so much to say about Garcelle not talking about her private life dating to see if E Erica brings this up next season on Beverly Hills? Oh, she definitely will. You think she will? You think they're probably both using it for a storyline?

It's giving Luann and Joe Bradley. Yeah. Probably. Wanting to be Luann and Joe Bradley. Two good looking people. First of all, they both get laid. Yeah. It helps both their careers.

She looks good. She's ho you know, hooking up with a younger, good looking guy. And then, you know, I mean, it probably helps him the least other than like he just gets attention from it, but that he seems to be most interested in just getting attention. I don't know. Erica's hot. And so someone referred to Danielle as the girl who graduates high school, but still comes back for all the parties.

That's really funny. I haven't seen that but that's really funny. That's literally what she's doing. Am I the only one who thinks this was a terrible season for Sierra? I don't think it was a terrible season for Sierra. What'd you think of Sierra this season? I think that Sierra's at her best when she's girling out

and when she gets swept up in drama of these guys, it's just like, we all know Sierra's better than this, but then in the way that, you know, so many. Do we? Well, what about in the finale when Jessie was flirting with all those women in the kitchen and then she was like, I just don't want Lexi to see this.

She went there and swept him out. Swept him out. Yeah. Listen, again, maybe this is edited, who knows, but the character we're seeing is giving Pick Me. I don't know, I like Sierra. It is. I like Sierra too.

I think that she could have been. I like her too. I disagree as well. I think that there could have been more like girl's girl energy between her and Lexi, but I also think that, and Lexi acknowledges the fact that like she was pretty swept up with Jessie and wasn't making an effort with the girls

the way that she would have liked to. Which honestly, thinking about it would also rub me the wrong way of this new girl comes into our house and then gets involved with one of the guys and completely cut. So we hate her for it? No. Not hate her. I don't think they hated her.

It's like, it could look to them too. Like, Lexi came in and wanted a storyline, and so she clung to Jesse and it's like who's the new becoming a- They're like she didn't wanna open herself to get to know us and- Why not support her and you're friends with him, you're all friends with him,

this new girl comes onto the show, dates your friend. Like why- Well the relationship was kind of real. What is she doing wrong? I also think the context of West and Sierra last season, she's coming off of that. And then to see like this, and this is no drag towards Lexi whatsoever,

because I thought Lexi was great. Like, I think all the girls are great on the show. But to have like that happen with West last season, and then Lexi comes in and does kind of a similar thing with Jesse this season, and she's kind of just watching it, she's maybe not gonna feel like as sympathetic maybe for Lexi also because it's Jesse and they have that relationship.

Like she's probably having complicated feelings of like, here we go again. But that's what I'm saying, that's not a, how's that a girl's girl then? Well she's also not talking to Lexi and she's only hearing from Jesse that Lexi is like really jealous and doesn't like that she's hanging out with Jesse so much and so to her it's like she's only hearing from Jesse that Lexi is like really jealous and doesn't like that she's hanging out with Jesse so much.

And so to her, it's like she's only getting his side, which is, you know, which she did come in as like Amanda's friend and it. Yeah, Lexi did. Yeah, I know. And it felt like we never once really saw Lexi and Amanda in the same room together. Yeah.

I just think for a group of people who like call themselves girls girls, I just think their treatment of Lexi was anything but. No, I agree with you that they could have been better friends to Lexi, 100%. I also though see their side where it's like this girl's coming in and in Lexi's defense she came in with two other newbies that were basically cut out of the entire season.

So she was really on an island alone. But she's very sweet and she's considerate. She enforces a... I mean, I think I'm... I just was so impressed with Lexi because, like, she really... She means what she says, she follows through. Like, Jessie, Sierra, I don't know, they care about the wrong things. I don't know. I think Sierra might have... just been a little, like, over all of it this season.

I think that's kind of what I was seeing versus her, like, not being in girls school or not doing whatever of just being like, I'm not dealing with this shit. And then also you have, like, Paige. That's kind of how I felt too. Yeah. You also, like, the context of, like, Paige,, her best friend going through it and like being on the verge of like a panic attack about breaking up with Craig and the tour and stuff this season too. I think is a different like their dynamic was different too because Paige was different. So it's I feel like a lot of

Sierra's stuff is just like how everyone around her was acting and she was kind of like off. That's kind of how I thought about the whole season, where it was like everybody feels like they're kind of, they didn't have any drama going on, right? Like Carl and Lindsay, like Lindsay just kept kind of poking at Carl, but he was just like, I'm not doing this. Like I'm focusing on soft bar.

And then Kyle and Amanda started to kind of have something, but then that didn't go anywhere. It does seem like from the reunion trailer that that might continue and get juicier, but like Paige and Craig doesn't happen until cameras pick back up. So really the Jesse, Sierra, Lexi storyline was the only drama that we had in this entire season.

Yeah, so maybe it's just like a product of the edit or like just lack of storylines. But the care I'm just saying the character we saw, I just like I just I think also Sierra kind of like got the short end of the stick this season compared to West in like the way that West was able to stay out of the drama all season after that past season. And then Sierra like got brought

back into it because of Jesse. How is it all on Jesse? I mean, Jesse is deserves all the criticism he gets. I'm definitely over the C pass. And he has proven to be like just a guy who's like, yeah, he just wants the attention. And I think he's giving like his, Jesse's potential is gonna be messy Bravo star.

Where I think Jesse wants to be like famous famous outside of Bravo, I don't, right now his actions say otherwise. Listen, I've been a pick me before, I've behaved in that way in my younger years and maybe Jesse will grow up, but like, I think he deserves it all, but I just don't think it's all on Jesse. I don't think you can blame all of her behavior on Jesse.

I think that all three of them have things that they could have done better. I think that Lexi could have opened herself up more and hung out with the girls more and talked to them more because all Sierra's hearing the whole season is Jessie's side and not Lexi's side. And I think that Jessie did keep Lexi away from the other girls, but I think Lexi also kept Lexi away from the other girls. I think Sierra could have been less flirty with Jessie and a little more of a girls girl to Lexi and I think Jesse Overall just could have been better

So the biggest criticism we have for Lexi is that a girl who came in as the newbie Without knowing anyone else fell for a guy and just got like a little like caught up in love Yeah, I mean, I don't think honestly, and then everyone else kind of. I don't think Jesse or, I just like don't, I don't like really personally think that it was a Sierra, or yeah, Sierra versus Lexi thing. Like I think in the way that like, in the girls girl nature of it,

like I don't want to pit the two of them against each other. Like I think that they both maybe could have done things differently, but I like don't think they're, I don't think Ciara really had it out for Lexi in any sort of way. I definitely don't think she had it out for her. I just don't think she went out of her way

to be a girl's girl towards her. You know what I'm saying? And I just like, if you're gonna call yourself a girl's girl, I mean, I don't know, just feels like maybe you should, yeah, I don't think she showed up and was like, I'm gonna go after Lexi. I just think she didn't give a fuck about Lexi. Yeah.

And she was just like, I don't care about you. That's fair. Can we talk about... I do believe, I believe... The ring. I believe Kyle. I think Craig's lying about the ring. Craig is absolutely lying about the ring.

Because then even on Watch What Happens Live, didn't Andy say that, like, Craig said that he had just returned it? It's like, oh, so convenient that you just returned it so you can't show me the ring. Also, did anyone notice that they cut the page saying that Craig was texting other girls? Yeah, did you guys see this? So do you remember?

Oh yeah, we did. What? Do you remember that in like, I think it was- In the mid-season teaser. Yeah, in the midseason trailer? We were gonna see a page talking about how Craig like was talking to other women Texting other women that wasn't shown. Yeah. So it was like he wants to call me a cheater Well, he was the one texting other women

I think that's giving she said something in the he the moment that she knew was like not true It was giving like a Craig lie Yeah she said something in the heat of the moment that she knew was like. Not true. It was giving like a Craig lie. Yeah. Like there was like a probably a sprinkle of truth, right? Like he probably was texting another woman and she probably knew it wasn't a threat at all but she was super pissed and she said it and cooler heads prevailed and she probably was like,

can you take that shit out? Yeah. Hoping and probably at this point, because did you guys all feel when they like got to the breakup, we're like this topic again? I thought we had moved on, you know? It was like, holy shit, you know?

It was just like, we had to talk about it on Southern Charm. Talk about it on beginning of Summer House. And it got brought up again. It was just like, played out. I was way more invested in them taking a shot of Lindsay's breast milk. Like, that's what I was there. I was there for like the three of them talking

and then having this new moment for Lindsay. That's what I was most excited about. I almost vomited. No, you didn't. I thought it was a cute moment between friends. I've not ended up drinking other people's bodily fluids. But you'll drink a strange cow's bodily fluid? A cow that you've never even met. That.

You know, I'm not a fan of... I don't really subscribe to Milk, period. Okay, fair enough. Unless I'm eating Cocoa Pebbles, which I haven't not a fan. I don't really subscribe to milk period. You know unless I'm eating cocoa pebbles, which I haven't Yeah in a while Atlanta listen we had four episodes of Mormon wives to cover we will pick back up Atlanta Phaedra is back excited she seems like she's ready to Really get messy when they go to

Grenada they're going into Grenada? Yeah. All right, well that will do it for this episode. Be sure to tune in tomorrow for a very interesting episode of Going Deeper. We have Jen and Zach Affleck. We cover the whole spectrum of their relationship from are they related to Ben Affleck, to their marriage, their mental health,

is Zach's transformation real? You'll get to decide. And then we have a great episode for you on Thursday. So tune in. We love you. I hope you all enjoyed your Memorial Weekend. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.