The Viall Files - E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

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It is the best candy bar on the market. It is a Reese's with Nougat. It looks like- I haven't eaten candy since 2024. Nick is better than all of us is what he's saying. Yeah. So go ahead. Maybe that's your origin.

You should have some candy. You'd probably be happier. Candy's the best. What are you trying to say? Got a pretty good year. After he's been like yelling at everyone all morning. Yeah, I'm like, maybe try a fast break. Maybe you need a fucking fast break.

So I got that and some lemonade Sour Patch Kids, but they weren't as great. Oh, yum. What kind of candy do you like? Do you eat candy or is it just, no candy in the household or are you loud to rules? No candy past the front door, truly. It's very strict.

Okay. I love a Reese's. Then you'd probably love a fast break. I probably would. I, yeah. I've been eating chocolate covered almonds on like nonstop recently. So that's not like candy.

That's like healthy girl. That's like green juice, coral candy. That's like L.A. candy. Nick has that and he's like, I'm being bad right now. My candy's grapefruit. Do you give out trick or treaters, toothbrushes and like pennies? What do you give trick or treaters? Just curious.

No, I'm like, Nick, we have to get the candy for the trick or treaters. He's like, absolutely not. You cannot bring that candy into this house. No, not on my watch. That was October. I was still eating candy in 2024. Was this like a specific 2025 thing that you were like,

I just don't want to- He's the one person on the planet Earth who has like made a New Year's resolution and has stuck to it. Oh, yeah. Candy was here. So you formerly did eat candy. I haven't had any sugar. He formerly was.

He formerly was eating supper and then would immediately make four bowls of Cocoa Pebbles and then eat three popsicles and then go to bed. I had a problem. Here's the thing, not to be this person, but isn't there sugar and grapefruit, are you referring to refined? Simple sugars.

Refined, okay. The stuff that will kill you and give you diabetes. Oh my God. The sugars, as they say it now. I'm sure you've heard that before. Yeah, for all the people. Oh, the sugar and oranges. It's like, yeah.

Well, yeah, and also we need sugar to live with. Okay, well don't show him my fucking going Told you we need sugar to live I think you actually might well again Sure, not refined like I'm talking about sugar carbs. You all these things we need you do need what's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vy'Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, and boy, do we have a fun episode lined up for you today. Later this episode, the star, what, is she here?

Oh my God, she made it. I'm so happy to see you. I was so delirious when I woke up because I didn't fall asleep till five. Five, what were you doing? Well, I fell asleep originally at 8 delirious when I woke up because I didn't fall asleep till five. Five, what were you doing? Well, I fell asleep originally at 8.30 and then I woke up at 11. And then went out?

No, I laid there just like dying for. We both have sleeping disorder. We both have not good sleep situation, but. What do you do to solve that problem? Oh, I scroll. I do the thing you're not supposed to do. Should be doing it. I mean, I've tried everything.

You scroll. Yeah. That was my problem and then I mean, I've tried everything. It just, yeah. Do you have, I, that was my problem. And then I got a Kindle and now I'm a book girl. You know, I used to have a Kindle. And I immediately fall asleep. I used to have one, but then I kind of resisted, but maybe I should get back on that. It's nice to have all your books in one place.

Yeah. I mean, I love an audio book too. Well, see this makes me tired. You know, like my eyes get tired of reading and I honestly don't even understand what's going on in the book because I just fall asleep. I read Reddit. I call them my bed dim stories.

Are you sick? Well, not about me. No, I read like the, am I the assholes? I read about people's like really bizarre plain behavior. Do you ever go to bed dreaming about the stories? No, sometimes if I fall asleep to a TikTok though, I will. Oh yeah, I have on repeat like three audio books, one of them being Matthew Perry, Don't Ask Me,

and I just like his voice. And so I'll have like dreams about Matthew Perry a lot. It's quite strange. RIP. RIP. I used to wanna watch Handmaid's Tale before bed. That was triggering. Yeah.

Oh. That one's hard to watch before bed. Yeah, no thanks. It's a little. Might as well just watch the local news. I was gonna say, let's close that home. And then by the time I woke up, I was like, oh, I haven't told it. And I was like, oh no, I don't. I gotta move my news. I almost fell asleep. I almost fell asleep. And then by the time I woke up, I was like, oh, I haven't told it.

And I was like, oh no, I don't. I gotta move around. You're here, you look great. And we have a great episode. Dana and Katie from Disrespectfully are here with us today because the cast of Love Island has just been released and since they're best friends with the host,

we figured why not come in and let's talk about the new cast members. We also have Breanne Howey with us this episode, the star of Jenny in Georgia, which premieres this Thursday on Netflix. I feel like it's a show all of you people listening watch, she's a complicated character, a mom, whoever comes adversity.

A mom who is not afraid to speak her mind. Not afraid to speak her mind. Stand her ground. Well, Brienne is with us and we have a great conversation with her as later this episode. Also we'll get into the first reunion part one of Summer House.

You guys don't watch Summer House, do you? No, but I follow on TikTok. When you're chronically online, you can gather. Yeah, you know what's going on. You can gather. You don't need to watch TV anymore. No, you just do what you want to talk. I got into it with Sierra on Vile Files Plus.

I am just over this group of women calling themselves girls girls. Yeah, it was a rough reunion. Can we retire that term just forever? Thank you, oh my God. I truly hate it. I consider myself a girls girl unless I don't like you. I said it was a buzzword.

It's another one of those buzzwords where it's just like, okay, so if I don't like one girl, but I like my girls or I've got my girls back, then all of a sudden I'm not a girls girl because I didn't have some random girls back. That's this group of women. Yeah, no, guess what? There's a lot of women I can't fucking stand.

So no, I will not write for you. Yeah, and I say this as someone who hates people. I don't like people. I like my people. And it's just like this cast is like the leading charge of the self-identified, I'm a girl's girl. You are like so in love actually. I am.

With a rock star. Yeah. I feel like we, last time you were here, did we talk about that? I don't think so. I haven't really talked. I mean, I've only recently, I guess, talked more about it, but yeah, I'm super happy.

Ah! He's great. Wait, so one of the stars of Next Gen was involved in this crypto kidnapping thing? Charlie, Zach Kowar. Yeah. We're talking about Katie being in love. No, I'm sorry.

I'm just looking at the notes. That's why I don't mind keeping it to myself. No one wants to know. Katie told me she likes to keep her love life private. So I was just trying to. We're respecting that boundary. He's coming on disrespectfully. Yeah, he'll be on disrespectfully.

We're gonna have him on. Yeah, once he's back from. Wait, Katie, how was it being on tour? It's fun. I like if you enjoy kind of like hanging out and just hanging, then it'll suit you. But I just like being with him. So it's like, I could be sharing a bunk with him or walking around Disneyland.

I don't know, I just, whatever we're doing, I just, I just wanna be with him. So you were on a tour bus. You were sharing a bus. Yeah, it's like, how do you feel about sleeping in a sarcophagus and then you'll know how you feel about. Yeah, for three nights, my back was wrecked. It's like sleeping in a coffin.

Yeah, that's basically what it is. I mean, luckily, like, I'm not a huge person. He's not a huge person. He's not a huge guy. So we can fit nicely in there. But like, it's just every two hours you wake up and have to, like, change positions because your hips hurt or then your shoulder hurts.

But I'm still like, we'll do it. Are you like, spooning the whole time? Sometimes it's a little bit. Like, he's definitely like a back sleeper. So I just kind of like, rotisserie around his side. Yeah, physical touch isn't good for your lower lumbar, I don't think. No.

I like it though. I'll risk back problems for it. And as will I. Yeah. Well anyways, are you guys, this next gen Bravo show does look interesting. It does, I think it's gonna, I don't know, I mean you just need a bunch of young kids

who just kind of don't know anything yet. Well, we've never really dived into reality TV nepotism. Yeah, I know, this will be interesting. And this is like a first. I like Brooks a lot, he's sweet. Meredith's son. Meredith's son. Brooks Mark. Yeah, I've never met him. Or Brooke Mark.

He seems like a classy guy. I like him. I think he's very pretty. Who is Charlie Zakor? Is that cut? Am I pronouncing that right? Zachauer? Zachauer is a crypto trader and private investor.

Who is he the kid of? I think Kim, no? No. I think it's his daughter. Is he dating Kim's daughter? I think dating Kim's daughter. They're not all nepo babies. No, some of them are just friends from schools.

Well, this guy apparently witnessed some sort of crypto attempted kidnapping. I think dating chemists don't care. They're not all nepo babies. No, some of them are just friends from schools. Well, this guy apparently witnessed some sort of crypto attempted kidnapping. Anyways. Was it Sherry Papini? Have you been following the Sherry Papini case at all? I just, since my wife has become a true crime junkie. The Sherry Papini was, which one was that?

She's like the real life gangro who faked her kidnapping. Oh my God, yeah, that was nuts. There's a new documentary out on it on Max and there was a documentary on Hulu that seemed to be they call it like Keith's her I guess now ex-husband. It was like his version. Now it's like her version. We just finished it. It's quite interesting. Did y'all follow any of the Karen Reed stuff? Yeah. We just did a deep dive on that. Did you? Oh my god. I think she did it deep dive on that. Did you? Oh my God. Well, it goes into that on disrespect.

I think she did it. Do you think so? Do you? No. No, I don't think so either. I think they have such a loose case against her and it's all just a bunch of long- I think she should be acquitted.

I think the state has done a terrible job of proving her innocence. I think these cops- Are guilty. Well, have done some poor police work and maybe even have some corruption, I still don't think that means she didn't do it. And I think two things can be true at the same time.

And the story of her innocence is far less believable. Too many things have to come together for this conspiracy as opposed to like she got drunk, accidentally hit her ex-husband and like, Boyfriend. Her boyfriend and killed him. I think that I lean more towards she didn't, but I'm not 100% she didn't,

but either way to convict someone of murder too on this state's case, it's just not there. There's so much reasonable doubt, so no thank you. I think because she had left him stranded knowing that he was maybe locked out of the house or couldn't get in, but didn't think it would result, I don't know, who knows? I think maybe she knows something else,

but I don't think, based on all of the- Tiktokers? No, no, the people, like the people that were testifying, like the experts on like the physics of how it could happen. It's just like how? Like crash reconstructionists and stuff. Yeah, I was just, I don't know. Like they all reenacted it and then it was like, well, you look like you're still fine after that.

Well, they're like, he got booped with the tail light and did a like cartoon like, ooh, spin and crash. Like he got booped with the tail light and did a like cartoon like, ooh, spin and collapse. And then they're like, that is what took him. And then like, asphyxiated and then like snow got caught and then the dog attacked his arm. And then the dog bite and then the dog, like they mysteriously just rehomed the dog

and then he destroys his bone. But that's still more believable than why would these people kill him? It is also so crazy that- They were wasted. Yeah. I don't think they meant to. I think they got in a fight

and he stumbled out and fell and probably hit his head. And that's what I think was more likely that happened. I definitely think there was an accident and he ended up dying and they were all like, holy fuck, we're a bunch of cops and a bunch of cops' wives. Like, we gotta cover this up? We've got to figure out a way and everyone including the kids have all like stuck

Yeah, why didn't the cops go in the house that morning if someone dies on the line or why on earth? Did a bunch of police officers not say let's think OJ did it. I Yes I'm so fucking familiar with it. There was a lot of shitty. What are you talking about? My point is, is there were a lot. He got off because they were able to prove all the shitty police work that like did or didn't happen.

And all like, my point is like bad police work doesn't prove someone's innocence. Yeah, but bad police work can also prove someone to be guilty when they're not. Like, did you watch Outcry? What the hell was that? No, what was that? Oh my gosh.

It's on a show time, you need to watch it. It's based, yeah, just watch it. Karen, when you get acquitted, because I think you'll get acquitted, we would love to have you on the show. Truly. And- Wait, is the second trial happening right now?

I haven't heard of it. The Commonwealth has rested their case, and now it's their turn. So she's like, she might testify, could get crazy. Yeah. I think it's just because she's not really a likable person that people are like, I think it's easier to believe the worst in someone that you just don't care for.

See, I think the opposite. I think that it's more fun to believe her innocence because that's the more salacious story. It's more salacious to think a bunch of cops are colluding. We've all had a bad experience, whether it's just a pullover or a cop is rude to us. Like, you know, it's just, it's more fun to believe. I think it's really hard for a woman to overcome

not being likable in the court of public opinion. And she is ornery. I think she's pretty likable. I don't. She's not. What? She's very, she likes the attention. She loves the attention.

She really is into herself. You know, so. Oh, fuck me. Anyway, ah, the new cast of Love Island is upon us. Have you seen these people? Oh yeah, I've been, I watched the whole like promo that introduced them all. They're all very sexy.

We have Ucylla? Is that, am I saying that right? Ulyssa. Ulyssa. It's very season six coded. I was about to say, do you feel like they tried to find like the localites. But they're like, who is our? Lea.

Lea. Who is our? Cordell. Who is our Serena, yeah. Who's our Kendall? No, they literally have a guy on there, he's like, I'm a short king, I'm like, that sounds familiar. It wasn't he wearing like a cowboy hat?

Not that one, that was a different one. That one kind of gets, he gets cordell. All right, we got. Was it Jeremiah Brown? It's actually. He says he's a really good communicator. I do remember that. Does he also say he's a liar? Well, hot.

Well, you know, he says he's a three out of four times good guy. Do they have like bios? Do they have like fun facts or anything? Yeah, so Jeremiah's fun fact is that he's a model who just starred in a true religion campaign true I didn't know true religion was still around. That's cool I feel like I feel like only like mega church pastors were true religion genes these days. Yeah, is that a recession indicator?

I feel scared A while ago, so I think it's just the resurgence. Okay. Yeah, 90s fashion is on its way back But it's also giving cordel the like, I wanna choose its sponsorship. It's like, my fun fact, I just modeled for True Religion. Yes. Should we go back to Ulissa? I think we need to do her fun fact. All right.

So she's a mermaid. She's a, yeah she. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. She's an entrepreneur who works in real estate, hospitality, and luxury and business. So she worked in what? That's like 40 different. I guess she has a lot of jobs.

She's rich. From Miami, Florida. She hangs out with rich guys on their boats. That's what that means. That is what that's code for. She has a residency at Sexyfish. Chelly. According to the promo, she's big into astrology and she will be judging men based on their

star signs. Hell yeah. That's reliable. Hell yeah. That'll work. Oh, I'm into that. It's worked for you? No, it sure hasn't, but I like it.

I like to watch it unfold. Is this our quiet, mysterious guy? This is our guy who jumps into the pool and has a temper tantrum. Oh, this is our Rob. He looks like- Nicholas. How tall is he? He looks like Lucas a little bit. Oh, he's got a little Lucas gauge to him. Oh yeah, he does.

Nicholas Vinstenberg. They all kind of look short. Is it prereq to have a last name you can't pronounce? Right? What is happening? They all. Vasteenberg. Aren't they always kind of short kings? Is it Nicholas or Nichols? Nichols.

Nichols. It is Nichols. Are they all from Florida? Except for true religion guy. He's from LA. Wait, what are his fun facts? Fun fact, you might recognize him for his modeling work. We don't.

I don't, but according to his Instagram, he also has a degree in nursing from Florida Atlantic University. Okay, GaylordFawker, let's go. Okay. I know, I kinda like him. Not describing his social norms. Yes.

Love. Like I wouldn't mind waking up from anesthesia and seeing. He said, I'm smart and hot. He's definitely my type. Yeah, same. But hot. Yep. And I like the cowboy too, but anyway.

Oh, is he a cowboy? No, he's coming up. Decatur? Oh, okay. Alondria. Decanter. Decanter. Oh, never heard of that place.

No, it is Decatur. It is Decatur. Yeah, I was about to say, I think it's Decatur. Is it? Why is it spelled like that? There's a spelling error on this doc, but it is Decatur. Yeah, I was like, Decanter is not a place in Alabama that I know.

I was gonna say, you're from the South, you don't know decanter. You've never visited decanter? Her fun fact is she's a graduate of Tuskegee? Tuskegee? Tuskegee? Tuskegee, yes, thank you. Tuskegee University.

This guy. This is Cordell. Yes. This is Cordell. I like, but he's a cowboy. He grew up on, he said he learned to ride a horse before he learned to walk. Hot.

I think that's what he said. What does tattoo say? Hot, hot. It says something not kill something. What are his fun facts? Taylor? He was on the cover of Wonderland in 2024 for Louis Vuitton. Oh my God.

Oh, that's cool. Like lots of models. Like literal models. Well yeah, you're half naked the entire time on the show. You better be a model. That's what I had to do for all my- Reality TV is full of hot people that maybe like dabbled in modeling a lot, you know.

Tom Schwartz. But these guys are like model models. Yeah, Wonderland, that's legit. He's hot. I like that he's sticking to the bit with his cowboy hat. I was gonna say too, or I'm like, I mean this with all due respect and just full jealousy of that not being my path,

but I'm like, they do also need to be able to take off work for two months to be in a house dating a bunch of people. So I'm like, I've heard they'd hire a bunch of models. Yeah, models do a flexible schedule. Salesforce gave me some time off. I feel like you would be into him. The cowboy? Yeah, except for the fact that he's a cowboy,

but he was, she loves a cowboy. I watched all those seasons of Yellowstone and 18. Were you a Rip or a Casey or a Kevin Costner? All of them. I was like, yeah. I understood it from that. And Rip and what's the old guy's name? Him.

Kevin Costner? All of them. No, the other, Lloyd? Was it Lloyd? Oh yeah, Lloyd. I love Lloyd. Lloyd? Lloyd could get it.

Lloyd could get it. Huda. Huda Mustafa. Huda Mustafa. All right, fun fact. She's an influencer and trainer who sells online coaching. Given her dedication to her fitness journey, we don't see Huda giving up easily on Love Island USA,

which could see her making it all the way to the final with her man. Do we see her working out with the men? You know? With these men? Yeah. By working out, she means like... Cause she's a trainer.

Oh. You know, like she's gonna be out there. She's gonna be leading it. She's like, hey guys, I do curls. Yeah. And with those guys, I don't know. Maybe if I, like, I think she wants like a big brawny, maybe that guy.

Oh, that's your type. Easy. I mean, you keep saying every single person, but it's also possible. I'm just trying to gauge her. I don't know what she's into these days. Northville. Yeah, he's hot.

Is that Michigan or Minnesota? Michigan, Missouri? What's MI? Michigan. Michigan. Austin Shepherd, okay, Missouri? What's MI? Michigan. Austin Shepherd, okay, what are his, he looks tall from. But his fun fact is that he recently moved to Florida, so I guess he's now in Florida.

Floridian. Okay, that's his fun fact? That's his fun fact. That is his fun fact. Oh, he's boring. Okay, they can dig a little deeper. Can we get the Bachelor producers to pull some fun facts out of these people?

This girl, I need a fear. What is her name? Bella. Bella. Bella A. I like her. She's cute. I bet it's Bella. Her package, intro package was very cute. And she seems very likable. Bella!

What's her fact? Her fun fact is she works at her parents' coffee shop when she's not busy modeling. Yeah, they are all models. There we go. It's like, they're like, we need you to have a little bit more of a humble approach to this, like, we can't just say like, you're a model. I'm just like, I did help.

Okay, I like, occasionally will ring up a latte. Like, I go for a, I was like, I like to take walks. Yeah. But all of these people will have stuff in common. So whoever she's with is gonna have to make good coffee to bring to her dressing room. Oh yeah, that's a big thing. That's a big component.

This is the short king. Ace. How short is short? His fun fact is that he's a content creator with 1 million followers on TikTok and his official website describes him as a DJ, comedian, model, choreographer, YouTuber, and professional party host.

Oh my God. I think we're gonna like him. He does it all. Renaissance man. I'm surprised as to how chronically online I am that I haven't heard of him. You haven't come across. So I'm feeling a little disappointed myself.

Well the internet is a big place. Wait, was that everyone from Love Island? That's the original cast. The original cast. We don't know who the bombshells are gonna be. I'm a little surprised that they didn't cast any, like a a la Rob, you know how Rob was a bombshell from a previous season and that seemed to really pop.

But you don't know that that's not gonna happen. Yeah. Well Rob was part of the original cast of last season. The original, but he could be the first bombshell. Yeah, but like a bombshell, that's what I'm saying. Rob was a bombshell and then they moved him into the original cast. Like there's no point in bringing a bombshell back

to be a bombshell again. They do that though. You think Rob's going back? No, no, no, no, no, but Rob was Casa Amor, and he was brought in in the OG cast, but I could see them bringing in like the first round bombshell as somebody we've seen before.

What's a bombshell or cast member from a previous season that you would love to see? Someone from last season maybe. Honestly, all the guys from last season. Rob back off some more. Okay, here's the thing, because I don't chronically watch this, like Katie has and you guys,

but Rob, I actually just was scrolling the other day, I saw him in a bush somewhere with a snake at night, like snake gathering. He, I was like, who the fuck, he's hot. And then I was like, oh, this is that Love Island guy that loves snakes. But he, was he the first bombshell? Cause he was with Leah at the very beginning of the season.

No, he was OG cast. Okay, so he was OG. He was a bombshell. He was in a costa more season five. Oh, okay. I didn't, I think I missed that one, but. Have they started filming yet or not yet? No, it's the June 3rd.

Have you seen any previews of Ariana's outfits? No, I kind of wanna be. Yes. Oh, you have? You have? I have. Okay. I've seen a be. Yes. Oh, you have? You have? I have. I've seen a couple there. I mean, she crushes it with the looks.

She looks amazing. Has she met any of the cast? Yeah. When it's in slow-mo. What does she think? Yeah, she's super excited about the season. She's really excited. She's gonna look fucking fire

and I think it's gonna be great. I mean, I love that she genuinely loves the show and had for years and this is just like, it's really cool watching. Are you gonna watch this year? I am just because of her. It's a lot, I get it. I mostly watch her parts and fast forward.

That's how we got into it last season. And then we're like, oh my God, this is really good. It was really good. I mean, it's kind of like you can have it on and sort of pay attention to it. And if you need to come back to something, you can, but like. I just like wondering what they're doing because it's in real time.

It's so weird. Like what are they doing right now? Oh my God, they're sleeping. Watching the monitors while they're sleeping. I remember after we did the After Sun, we were sitting there eating McDonald's and I look over on the screen and it's live feed and they're all just asleep.

I'm like, this feels like such a science experiment. It's so bizarre, but it was so cool being there because I love the shows, so being right next to the villa like that. And then where After Sun is, it's kind of on this hill above it so you can see down into it. like you can see the fire pit. It was very cool. I love it. Are you gonna go back? I wish. I mean last time they gave

me about three day notice. Perfect. It could still happen. They're still home. You have time. Yeah I told them I was like I'll come back anytime for reals. It's paradise. It's just so far. Yeah that was a quick three day trip to Fiji. Yeah, and losing a whole day in between coming back and then losing my mind. It sucks coming back. Going there, not so bad. No. Coming back, it's brutal.

Yeah, you come back on the same day that you already live. Yeah, and then when you leave there, you skip it and go to Japan. Exactly, it's tough. It was a tough turnaround. Yeah, the Virgin Islands are like right there. That's true.

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You get your update specials, or our ass-nick updates from all those crazy stories. I will say this was a tough watch. Tough watch for all you people who ride hard for the ladies of this cast. I saw someone make a TikTok and they said that if you're fans of the Sierra Amanda Page, you're like one of the toxic people on TikTok

because it was like, you can't realize that these are three mean girls, like being mean to the one newbie. And I honestly, I saw it this episode. It was rough. And then the fans, the supporters, the alleged toxic people on TikTok, their version is this is Lexi's fault

because it's like their explanation is they clearly don't like Lexi. It's just like, well, yeah, we get it. But like- No, I think their take on it is like, this was a four week relationship or six week relationship. Like, why is she so upset? Why is she making it seem like it was some like two year ordeal where all of them laughing

while like talking about Toegate. And it's like he cheated on Lexi and she's sitting right there. And if that was Sierra, like all hell would have been broken fucking loose. Yeah, Sierra still isn't talking about- We're still talking about her feelings about West. She's still not talking about- Well, she's still talking about the press he did.

Like that, him going on his media tour still pisses her off. But Lexi can't be upset that like her boyfriend cheated on her. And all of the people there are laughing. And it's like, but you want respect when he does a press tour and mentions your name? And why does this cast seem to decide who can't and can't talk to press or do podcasts? Well, they say it so condescendingly,

on your press tour, they act as if they have these rules for their cast. I mean, again, you have a young woman who came on not knowing anyone on this cast, a newbie, younger than all these people knew. And like, again, I think the whole girl's girl, as Katie Maloney mentioned earlier, is the dumbest shit ever. It's just a dumb saying. But when Lexi came into the house, her focus was on Jesse, not making friendships with these girls. How do you know what her focus was walking into the house?

She walked into the house and met a guy she was attracted to and started liking him, and that's a crime? But what I'm saying is, while she's focused on Jesse, Paige, Amanda, and Sierra are having their own summer. So it's like all of a sudden now, it's because Jesse fucked up that it's like, these girls don't have her back, but they weren't bonding throughout the summer. But then again, what is the definition of a sudden now, it's like because Jessie fucked up, that it's like these girls don't have her back, but like they weren't like bonding throughout the summer.

What is the definition of a girl's girl? I don't know, but I'd love to stop hearing it. It'd be the same, same. And again, I'm a judgy motherfucker. I keep my circles small. I am loyal to my small group of friends. Just own that, just own the fact that like, they are a clicky group that like doesn't fuck

with most people. And if you're not one of us, we're not gonna, fine. Don't all season long self-identify yourself as usually for the girlies. I think this has less to do with what has happened all season and more of what happened at this reunion, because it has been how many months since they stopped filming. They've all gone on, Sierra's been on Watch What Happens Live,

Lexi's done her podcast tour, Jessie's, like they've all gone out and promoted this season of Summer House and talked about some storylines of what happened, but they had a chance to come to this reunion and be like, you know, we love Jessie, we're Team Jessie, but we don't support the cheating. And they didn't do that.

They like made it, like it was so fucking funny that he was in that room with all these naked people, like getting his toe sucked while Lexi sitting there being like, in the back and forth between Sierra and Jesse of like, like, I don't want to fuck Jesse. He's like, come on, Sierra. She's like, shut up. And he's like, Sierra, your hair looks so good. Like it was just so disrespectful on so many levels of like you're doing that in front of this girl

who clearly is like upset about what happened in her relationship with this man. And you have just like no consciousness of that whatsoever. Leaning into the sexual chemistry of your platonic friendship is the most, while your friend is like pursuing a relationship with someone else, someone who is in the same industry as you, who many people could see as someone

you might want to compete with subconsciously, is the most pick-me energy ever. How can anyone disagree with that? And that's fine, but listen, I've been a pick-me before, I've done things for attention, but it's just the way they all act is if they are incapable of that type of behavior.

And they're so critical of other people who give that type of behavior. Wait, so what did y'all think of the reunion? Those were our thoughts. What did y'all think? I enjoyed it. I love seeing people like they are mean girls. They're reality TV stars. They're mean girls.

And I love to see and I personally enjoy it. Yeah, that's the thing like I that's why I'm like I'm not mad at Paige or Sierra or Amanda for like madam being mean about it. Like I'm like, yeah, give me more of it It's creating good storylines and things lean in be worse What I love about page lead into love about Paige is that she thinks she's better than most people and she backs it up. I just would like her to own that aspect a little more often.

I love it when people are unself aware on TV. It makes for great television. And so I'm just seated watching them all be dumb. It's great. That's my take on the reunion. And I think Jesse's a loser. But he's a very charming, affable loser that I would want to hang out with. Yeah, I mean he's very charming and fun. I get why they want to be friends with them. I get why they're this more like, you know what, we need a couple fun guys in our group and we

already have hot women and like we don't need a young girl who's still figuring her house out. Lexi's so like us seven years ago, like we don't have time for, I get it. It's just mean girl. I think the thing with what really entertains me about the dynamic is that Jesse, like Jesse's friendship with these women is so, to me it reads, and maybe this is just my take on it, of like they do not respect Jesse.

They just find him entertaining and funny and he's like their little plaything like that's how like for Sierra he's her little plaything and she's not like respecting him in that way of like no I'm not gonna fuck you like I you are just for my entertainment and enjoyment because I know you will flirt with me and give me attention I'm gonna give it back to you because it's fun. And so then, and I think to her, she's probably like, that's obvious.

And then for Lexi, Lexi's like, well wait, what the fuck is going on here? Because she doesn't have that set dynamic with him. So obviously she's really upset about it. But then to Sierra, she's like, why are you mad? Like, I'm not, that's not what this is. But then I don't think that Lexi is wrong to feel that way. You know?

But it's just like, Sierra acting as if Lexi has no reason to be upset is the most delusional thing I've seen given just how she's, the fact that we still talked about her and Wes a year fucking later. Yeah. It's crazy, it was honestly fascinating though, Sierra talking about her family dynamic and talking about her mom and how her mom is

per Sierra's POV Like has a history of dating men unworthy of her and it just seemed kind of ironic I felt for her in that moment. I totally felt for her It was just more like I mean Andy asked the question like do you think that's played a role in like your dating choices? And she was like, yeah, absolutely. But her answer was, yeah, that's why I'm more, Sierra Sears herself is incredibly picky and like has high standard. The men she dates suggests otherwise.

I mean, Austin and Wes are definitely way below her what she could get, that's for sure. And I'm also like, Wes did come to the reunion with an apology prepared. So it's not like he didn't know that this was gonna be brought up again either. He did. And then he was like-

I thought he had it on him so pretty well. I think he did great. And then I think when Sierra was like, if you can talk to the press, you can talk to me. And it was like, oh, and we're bringing it back up again. We're still not over the press. Like, all right, let's go. Like I feel like that they're like on a road for healing

because at least she was able to have conversations and actually talk to him. She said his hair looks better. No, I totally think that like they needed to do that. That was great for them. I just think it was hypocritical for her to like still wanna push that into West, but not have any sympathy of Lexi

with her man cheating on her in the house. Just thinking it's so funny. Well, I felt bad for Lexi when everybody was laughing, because obviously Andy made a point to point out being like, and the only person not laughing is Lexi. I'm like, I do think that the way that the conversation of Toegate and even the name Toegate being brought up, it's kind of like one of those things where it's like,

I'm sure it's been a joke. Oh, it's so silly. Runs you out. So I'm like, at the same time, I don't think anybody was thinking about Lexi's feelings or trying to make her feel bad. But I'm like, the entire situation is just so batshit. You went into a room for 37 minutes, got your toes slapped.

No, it's a slap in the face to everyone watching the show. Like, we're not this fucking stupid. Yeah. Like, and Emeril being like, I have no reason to lie for him. Like, bro. Your job's on the show. Like, we're not this fucking stupid. Like, and Emeril being like, I have no reason to lie for him. Like, bro. Your job's on the line. Come on.

He came in at the end. He was laying. Really? They were all just naked, just like having casual conversation and you decide to lay on the bed. It's just that Lexi showed up. We didn't know anything about her before she got casted.

It's also what, a double? A double? Size, like four people? Sitting on, fitting on this? Like, you're getting cozy. You're close to a boob, regardless. What is that nursery rhyme that's like, there are four in the bed and the little one said,

roll over, somebody did that, you know? Lexi is this young woman who demonstrates the type of qualities that all of these women should wanna get behind. She is poised, she seems to like, know her self worth, she like, speaks up for herself, she has a strong will, she came on our show and conducted herself wonderfully. She's been gracious.

She doesn't seem to be all that messy. She speaks her truth. She'll stand up for herself. I don't think that's messy. And it's just the fact that those qualities are the qualities that these women seem to dislike. I just find to be fascinating and kind of hypocritical. Like it's just such an eye roll for them to like identify

themselves as a girl's girl. When they're more, pick me. I do believe Craig never bought that engagement ring. I will say that. He definitely never bought that engagement ring. He didn't, no. I absolutely believe Paige there. We had to pause it because Gunnar was like,

what do they mean? And I'm like, because when you buy a ring, it's already gonna like depreciate the second you step out of the store, because it's custom. If it's exactly what Paige wants, Paige doesn't want a manufactured like standard ring. She's gonna want like something engraved in it, it's him to Fizma diamonds.

I want the baguettes. Like you can't return that and be like, well, you could sell this under Craig's used. What I need, I need to know the place when he's like, I took it back to the guy this morning, who's the guy? Who's the guy? Can the guy vouch for that? Name him.

No, like I need this guy to be like, oh yeah, here's the ring. Like yeah, Craig, like that's, and where is he? Even when she said the whole, like you took your girlfriend to return my ring, I was like, well, you know, you know, I'm not gonna be there. Well, also, like when you get broken up with, you know, maybe there's not an engagement ring on the line, but that's a very common, I was like, well, you know, if you don't get it, I'm not there. Well, also, when you get broken up with,

maybe there's not an engagement ring on the line, but that's a very common thing to be like, well, I guess I should just return this thing I got you. The last ditch effort. Please, did you want this Birkin, or do I need to return it today? That happens all the time in a breakup. Connor couldn't understand the concept.

He was like, wait, so is he saying that if she saw the ring that she would stay, like get married to him? And I was like, yes, that is the delusional statement that is being made right now. Yeah, him being like, I wish you would have seen the ring first before you decide to break up with me. You know who we need? We need Emma.

We need Lisa Barlow and Bronwyn's jeweler from Salt Lake City to get to the bottom of this. That messy bitch. She would definitely be some tea. To get to the bottom of this. That messy bitch. You mean to know? She would definitely be like, yep. Never seen him. He's never been here before. Yeah. I wouldn't put it past Craig to find a jeweler to corroborate his story, even if it was made

up. Honestly, yeah. Even like when they replayed the Watch What Happens Live thing, I was like, just the way that it was just like, yeah, no, I just went to the pageant and returned it. I was like, no, you did not. Oh yeah. The body language. The body language. I just returned it. I was like, no, you did not. Oh yeah, him shifting all of his, actually. Return it this morning.

Yeah. Tell me you're uncomfortable, I'm lying. Where does Craig go from here on Southern Charm? Like, I feel like everyone already knew he was a liar, but now everyone really just knows. Oh, I'm sure they're gonna just like. You cannot trust a single word that comes out of that man's mouth.

They're gonna breeze through this. He's a storyteller. He's a storyteller. I's a storyteller. He's a storyteller. I just find what's fascinating about Summer House is that again, I would say Lexi, West, and Jessie, they represent what Summer House is supposed to be. And honestly, everyone in this OG cast, I'm, you know, find a new job.

I'll follow that show. And then yeah, they should bring in new young people that wanna be messy, that wanna hook up in her house. Like, even to Kyle's point about Emeril, he was like, that is kind of messy, that wanna hook up in her house. Even to Kyle's point about Emeril, he was like, that is kind of what the whole point of a summer house, a summer share is. It felt weird because no one else was doing it.

But it felt like, the fuck is Emeril doing here? Like, ew, gross, we don't do that because it's like we've been with these people who aren't doing that for so long. And with the irony of it all too, is that it's like in the first season, how we meet Amanda is because Kyle sneaks Amanda like into the house and they go like skinny dipping

and they're having sex and it's just like, it's waking up everybody in the house. And it's just like, you guys were Emeril season one. Justice for Emeril. That's all I have to say. He does seem like a sweet man. He does, thank you. Nick pointed this out, but the fact that Lexi, the new girl was the only one to be like, we could have to say. You're like a sweet man. He does, thank you. Also, Nick pointed this out, but the fact that Lexi, the new girl,

was the only one to be like, we could have done better, we could have asked you more questions. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, that was telling. That no one else who'd been there, not even Kyle, his buddy, could have been like, yeah bro, I definitely could have helped you

navigate some relationships a little bit better. No one else said anything but Lexi. They basically casted three new people because they felt like they didn't wanna do their jobs anymore and they decided to be a bunch of dicks to this new cast. Like that was the theme of the season. It's just like we're gonna cast a bunch of people

we're not friends with and use them and throw them out like trash when we're done with them. What? I mean, that's a take. Wait, what? Like the original cast, they casted Emeril, Lexi, and Bailey, and like they used them they used them for like the stuff they weren't willing to do and

Through them to the side through them to the wayside who used them producers the og cast this group of people How do they use in well Amanda like we know Amanda like per lexi was the one who was like hey Do you want to come on the show? I guess Kyle is the one who knew emil. They found these people and asked them, hey, do you wanna be a part of this show? With no real interest in becoming friends with these people or connecting with these people. But even when Alex Baskin was here,

he was saying that when they're recasting a show, they typically go to the cast and ask if you have any recommendations, but that like. I guess what I'm saying, it's just like, they didn't cast people they wanted to become friends with to bring into the group, to like round out the group. Like they didn't bring like Paige's best friend from home or like someone that they were actually friends with.

Like this was clearly Amanda and Lexi weren't friends. Like they were acquaintances, they'd had, they'd gone to lunch before, grabbed a coffee, but like to Lexi's point, when Amanda's sitting there being like, oh my God, I always wanted them, I just need them to hook up, knowing that your friend Lexi is dating this man is like. Yeah, I agree.

I do agree with you guys on that. I think they definitely set the two of them up to kind of just be the fall guy for the season when they are all kind of like past. I mean, if I watch next season and Sierra's still complaining about Wes, I'm turning it off. It's like... I think by next season, that's fair. I think this season, I think this season, it was like,

well, yeah, there's gonna be a blowout from it. Their dynamic has changed. She's gonna have feelings about it. The reunion, I think, is just like a, we're gonna talk about it at the reunion, get that closure, and then I don't wanna hear about it anymore. Okay, but we did talk about it all season. I'm just, are you convinced it's not going to happen? I'm not convinced it's not gonna happen.

I'm just saying I hope it doesn't. We will see. I was agreeing with you actually. Progress. Anything else before we want to move on to Brienne? I just wanna say, I thought we were all gonna dress in like summer florals today. And we're green.

Okay, that's true. I wear a light color. Okay. Dishy black. I dressed for our next interview. Yeah. I's true. I wear a light color. Okay. Dishy black. I dressed for our next interview. Yeah. I just kind of feel like a clown, but that's okay. But he's kind of giving the chorus.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm giving, it's after Memorial Day and I'm ready for summer pants. Yeah, no, you guys are all giving like classy, classy summertime entrance. And I'm- You can't wear white after Labor Day. Yeah. Exactly. This was Memorial Day. And that's why I'm- You can't wear white after Labor Day. Yeah.

Exactly. This was Memorial Day. And that's why I'm wearing my pants. I think you said that wrong. Run it back. Anyways, Breanne Howey is up next. The star of Ginny in Georgia, Breanne Howey, who we get to chat with.

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Hi. How are you? I'm wonderful. Thank you so much for having me. We're so excited to have you. It's so nice to meet you both. To have you, oh my gosh. Yeah, we're so excited.

Been big fans, huge fans of Ginny and Georgia. Oh my God, thank you. It's such a fascinating show because the character you play is so dynamic. Sure is. First of all, as a young mother yourself, it's a kind of weird question. People often ask, how do you relate to your character? I imagine a lot of ways you don't relate to your character.

Yeah, no, especially because I was playing mom roles before I was a mom. So it was more just relating to it in the sense of I have four younger siblings. They're my whole world. I would do anything for them. So that was the just like relating to it in the sense of like, I have four younger siblings, they're my whole world. I would do anything for them. So that was like the closest I could get. But then, yeah, now I am actually a mom. So it's very different. Do you feel like you're, like you act maybe a little bit

better because you are now a mom? You know what happened. And I think, OK, so look, my daughter is a, she'll be two in a month. So we're still like, I mean, not totally beginning phases, but like she's still very little. Yeah. I just felt like I was such a sap.

Like I just felt like I was so weepy all season. And like that, I was like, God damn it, Breanne. Like, no, no, no, that wasn't the move. So hopefully that will change. I think it was just like the first year going back at it, like just back to work and everything. But I felt like it made me too soft almost. Interesting.

Which isn't great for Georgia. Like everything is too relatable. Almost. Like some of the stuff for this upcoming season, it gets so dark. In my opinion, again, I was maybe too sensitive this past season. I mean, it broke my heart.

She murders people. Yes. Yes. And like, yeah, wait till you see, yeah. Like halfway through this season, everything that goes on. I mean, Georgia, like all of this season, everything that goes on. I mean, Georgia, like all of the consequences

come to the surface this season. Like she gets in a lot of trouble. So one thing I was curious about, cause like obviously, well, we're hoping you don't relate much to your character. But you know, as a new parent myself, there's like, and maybe it's a dad thing. I imagine now, you know, Nellie has some real like

impressive like mama line energy, you know, very protective of her family. Absolutely. and maybe it's a dad thing. I imagine Natalie has some real impressive mama lion energy, very protective of her family. And I wondered if, while you don't obviously relate to some of Georgia's antics, there must be an element of the way she goes about protecting her family and surviving in a way that obviously as a good human being, you would never do. But is there ever an element when you're playing

the character where you at least appreciate her resiliency and just like how she's, you know, she really will at the end of the day, protect her family? Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, I, like first and foremost, of course, Georgia's very polarizing, but like as someone playing Georgia, I would never judge her like in no way, shape or form. Yeah, I have to I love her and respect her. All of her shortcomings are only because she has a very

limited toolbox, but I admire the amount of space she takes up. Like I feel like who knows what I could have accomplished if I took up that much space all the time for my whole life. So I love that about her. And I love like the first, when I read the pilot for the first time, it was the scene where she like punches the kid in the face. Well, she doesn't really punch him,

but like she twists his nose a little bit and like the, you know, her son punches him. But like I've had- He went a little far for sure. For sure. But like I've had, when went a little far, for sure. For sure. But like, I've had, when my siblings told me someone was mean to them at school or something, the rage I feel inside. And I can only imagine once my daughter's old enough.

Oh, me at the park with my 15-month-old, I, there will be, I don't know what it is about six, seven-year-old who just, they think she's so disgusting and will like run from her being like, eww baby. We're like, baby, baby. This little boy tried to like hit her with the swing and it took everything out of me not to assault a child. You know, like in like the most respectful way possible, of course.

Yes. But like his parents were on their phone like not paying attention. And I'm like, your kid is a terror on this playground. So I get where you're coming from. Unfortunately in those moments, we can't a terror on this playground. So I get where you're coming from. Unfortunately, in those moments, we can't do what Georgia would do.

Exactly. Has there been anything that you've taken from your character, parenting-wise, and related to your real life daughter? You know, I mean, probably only bad things, unfortunately. Like, before I was a mom, I thought like the most annoying thing about Georgia was how all over Ginny she was,

and she's always in her space, and like the entitlement that she expects to know everything about Ginny. I was like, I mean, that's, it's crossing a line, this is toxic, blah, blah, blah. But now that I have an almost two-year-old, I'm like, nope, she's gonna go to UCLA, we're gonna have lunch every day,

she's gonna tell me everything I need to know, I need to know everything. No, yeah. I'm gonna go to bed reading her text messages. 100%, she's not allowed to go do, no. I think before, yeah, we were parents, it's very easy to talk about what you would never do when you see other parents crossing boundaries

and then you're in it and you're just like, well. I'm like, of course she's gonna watch Elmo right now, what are you talking about? Of course we're doing screen time. And before, I'm like, no, we will never watch Elmo right now. What are you talking about? Of course we're doing screen time. And before I'm like, no, we will never have a phone out at a dinner, ever. And now I'm like, cue up, Miss Rachel, it's time. Get the iPad.

Yeah, and now she goes iPad and I'm like, oh no. I imagine when you like do go into season one, that's obviously like the acting space is highly competitive and I think, you know, you're always as happy to book the job, right? Yes. Then you get picked up for season two. I'm sure you have utmost respect for the writers in the room and things like that, but as a character on the show,

as a season matures, is there a balance between the writers going to you and getting your input about the character, or are you very much like, hey, that's their lane, I'll stay in mine? How does that dynamic work as a show matures? Yeah, it's an interesting point because it's also like this will be my first time going into a fourth season, like doing our third season.

That was my first time doing a third season of anything. Yeah, so you can't anticipate where these things are going or where the story's going, especially. I tend to stay in my lane. I appreciate, I think it's real, every now and then they will ask, of course. And maybe on other shows, it is a little bit more of a collaboration at times, but I think for us,

with Ginny and Georgia, it's so specific, especially like with Georgia and her cadence. Um, I love the way that they write for Georgia. It's so beautiful. So for the most part, I pretty much, they've gotten us this far. I really just trust them and I am impressed and I don't know how they come up with this stuff.

Our creator and writer's room is amazing. Are you the type of actor who, like do you wanna watch it back? No, you don't. No, I do because I think it's so important and like we have to, you know, come talk about the show. And like it's nice to know you do so many different versions, so many different takes.

It's fun to see, of course, how it all shapes out. But for sure, I still struggle with being objective. I don't know how people do that. It's so hard. I'll still be like, oh, I wish I did it this way or why'd they choose that take? Or I'm holding that thing weird or like whatever. I don't know, for sure.

How did you prepare to play a character like Georgia? So, I mean, this is where I feel lucky that like there is, so like I grew up with a young single mom. It's just was kind of kismet. There's so much of my mom and her energy in this character. Like I feel like I kind of grew up as Ginny a little bit. Like my mom had me at 21. We didn't have any boundaries. So, so much of what was on the page,

I could relate to. It just wasn't, I think a lot of what was jarring in Ginny and Georgia just wasn't that jarring for me, I think, because, like, I have had some of those conversations. And I have so many younger siblings. With my parents, we married and had more, so I have half siblings.

But we have larger age gaps. So then I've always sort of felt like an aunt to them I have so many younger siblings. With my parents, we married and had more, so I have half siblings. But we have larger age gaps. So then I've always sort of felt like an aunt to them also in a way. Somehow it was just kind of natural. Do you do any sort of character study? Maybe even like you did it in the beginning, but do you like re, or do you feel like you know Georgia

to her bones? Definitely like with each season, of course there's more confidence. Like for season one, we definitely had so many conversations with our creator that like we wanted Georgia to feel like, you know, she was kind of, she's the anti-hero a little bit. Like there's a little Tony Soprano in there. There's a little bit of Walt from Breaking Bad.

There's a little bit of Mary Louise Parker from Weeds. And we wanted that she was, she's kind of a collaboration of all these things. And that when Georgia's big mad, she's the Hulk. And that's when we get Scary Georgia. So we do like, I guess we did kind of color in all the different versions of Georgia. Cause she also takes so many like hard right turns.

So it's like, we're jumping from like Scary Georgia to like, oh, goofy Georgia. To like flirty Georgia. And then also depending on who George is talking to, she's a very different person, depending on all the men in her life. Like she responds and acts very differently with all of them and has a different mask on.

So season one, yeah, we actually got more specific in that way talking about the character. And then it, yeah, with each season, getting like the luxury of getting to go back, it stays in you a lot longer I think than I anticipated. Really interesting. Now that George is in court, are you a fan of true crime?

Sure am. Were you able to pull from any court cases that you followed or just try to emulate again, just like. With outro maybe. Well I know right. I'm gonna forget the name now, but while we were shooting, I mean are you guys big true crime people?

Do you remember the case? Now he's huge. Okay, the woman, it's like the Boston police and Karen Reed. Karen Reed. Yes, yes. Okay, it's on right now. Karen Reed was in, what is it right now? Yes, right now.

You guys, I'm so behind. Okay. She honestly introduced me to it the other day. We've been fighting nonstop about it because he's not on my side anymore. First I was totally on her side. First I was like, oh no, like I've definitely seen it a part of these cops are crooked.

Like she definitely didn't do it. But then the more I watched, I'm just like. Unfortunately, I know. I thought it was all. It's crazy how like I have gotten so many DMs from locals. Really? And they're like hairdressers and they know the tea

and they're like, she's definitely being framed. See, that was my first instinct and that's what got me, okay, which is the perfect segue into Georgia, that the Karen Reed trial was happening. And in my mind, I was like, Georgia would act like she was being framed too for all of this 100%. Like that's exactly what Georgia would do. So, I first heard of it.

It kind of reminded me a little Karen Reed a little bit where it's just like this very likable, very charming defendant who you want to you want to believe her. Well, and she and like she knows what she's doing with her storytelling and like the way she, I don't know, all of all of the moves she was making were intentional and the way you dress and the way you act and the way you lean into the jury. Did you learn a lot about the court system for, I mean, I'm sure, yeah, a little bit. I mean, we did that, yeah, you do the scene so many times.

You start to figure it out. But it is crazy. I feel like watching this Karen Reed trial, yeah, there's a lot of, don't sit like this, don't smile, but also maybe smile a little bit so that you don't look like such a bitch, but not so much that you're happy that you know, it's like, I feel like there's a lot of, there's a lot to think about. Like, yeah, like who's your body language, how you're being perceived. Totally. There's so many subtleties about, and I learned that being on reality TV where you're

like, oh my God, like you're, when there's a camera on you 24 seven, just like picking up every little cork that you have or just like your resting phase and just how like unfortunate that can be and how useful it is to an editor. It's just stressful. You're just like. Yeah. Do you still feel like, were you able to shake it?

Yeah, I mean, I guess for better or worse, my gift was always just, I guess, being like, oh, this is who I am, I don't know, like it's something I can do about it. But it was just more eye-opening, you know? Like, I suppose as an actor, you get used to seeing yourself on camera playing a role, but before that, I just was like,

I wouldn't listen to myself on a voicemail recording. Those were the days, right? Yeah. When that's the only time you would hear your voice back, and you're like, that's what I sound like. I remember that. Yeah, it was such a weird thing. And then I'm watching it back. And you're like, oh my, I've never met this person.

Like, oh my, ew. It's so weird. I hate him too. No. Has your husband watched any? Oh, of course. Yeah, he does. That was my first hint that maybe the show

is going to go somewhere. Because Netflix put it in our account before it gets released. And it was season one. And I told him, I was like, all right, it's in our account before it gets released, and it was season one. And I told him, I was like, all right, it's in our account. I was like, I'm gonna go watch some. And he was like, okay, I'll watch with you. And in my head, I'm like, all right, I'll stick around for one.

He watched four in a row with me, and I was like, you don't have to watch this. He's like, no, like, let's watch the next one. Like, what happens next? And I was like, oh my God, we might be onto something. Yeah, that's a good thing. Well, there's something about, you mentioned, you know, Walter, and like, there's the anti-hero.

There's something about those types of characters that we love because we may not be Georgia, we may not be Walter, but we all are imperfect people who do things that we're not proud of, but like we want to believe that we're noble good people. And for the most part we are. And I think sometimes watching those complicated characters

that we still want to root for, there's something to relate to, even though maybe we're not relating to the... Right. I think too, it's like people who can be victims of circumstance or feel like they fell through the cracks. You root for them in a different way because you really feel like it's not their fault.

And like the limitations that Georgia has and that all of us have to an extent, isn't our fault. Granted, it's important to work on them, and I think that's what this season does really well. It's like, okay, we're very aware now of every character's shortcomings, and like, what are we gonna do about it, guys? So we finally start to see that this season,

which is really cool. But I think because, I think she's relatable in a lot, to a lot of people in that way, because she is so far from perfect. We love a good meet cute story. How did you meet your husband? So Matt and I met. How does this story go?

It was a while ago now. It was like nine years ago. OK, I went to NYU. Matt went to new school. We're both from Southern California. I grew up in Pasadena. He grew up in Santa Monica. We both are in New York at the same time.

Never meet. Both finish school, come back to LA. I start hanging out with his New York friends just through mutual friends. And like just having a fun kind of like party summer. It's the end of the summer, Matt appears out of nowhere to hang out with his friends. And I'm like, who are you and where have you been?

He was studying to take the bar. So he just went MIA for that summer, but he finally took it, then started like going back out again, had a social life. I was with all take the bar. So he just went MIA for that summer, but he finally took it, then started like going back out again, had a social life. I was with all of his friends. We ran into each other four nights in a row and have been together ever since then basically.

But when we got married, it wasn't until we were each saying our vows that he said in his vows that out of the four times we met, the final two, he found out where I was. They were not on accident. And this whole time I thought it was like very serendipitous and like I can't believe we ran into each other four times we met, the final two, he found out where I was. They were not on accident. And this whole time I thought it was very serendipitous. And I can't believe we ran into each other

four nights in a row, out and about in LA. I mean, your wedding's a good time. It's a safe place to make you start. It's like, I don't know when a good time is gonna be, but like, probably. What was your reaction? Like at the altar. I was like just crying and laughing.

It was, I felt silly actually. I more just felt silly. I was like, of course he did. Why did I think it was completely random four nights in a row? I have to go apologize to the cash register at Gelson's that I was telling. Sorry, it's like I have told that story maybe 17 times.

Very publicly. Of course. But now we have the correct version. Okay, thank God. What is, we have daughters in the same almost age. What phase is she in right now? I mean, this girl's like running, monologuing, she's new sentences every day, she is just a sponge.

She's very independent. She was like, like if I, if she's doing something and doesn't want to be interrupted, she'll be like, no, no, no, mama dare. Like she doesn't want you coming close to her to like, I don't know, bother her or even like let her do it. She wants to like go up and down the stairs by herself, picking out her clothes.

Oh, really? I mean, I'll just give her like two options, right? Like this shirt or this shirt. Yeah. She loves counting. She can count up to 15, but she will always skip four through seven. Don't know, like we hate this one first.

She loves going to the, her little baby gym. Like she like loves doing like somersaults and stuff. She still needs help, but like we went to the Getty on Sunday and there were kids like doing like, like 10 year old girls, like doing cartwheels and stuff. And then she goes and like tries to legit do these somersaults And she just goes into like a yoga pose kind of like downward dog and then falls to the right

Or left but it's very sweet and cute. How are her like Is she a tantrum kind of? How are we um handling those? We're entering our tantrum phase How are we handling those? We're entering our tantrum phase. I would just start saying no sooner. We didn't really, we didn't use a lot of nos at first because I don't know, you want them to explore and it's so exciting and they learn something new and you want to try something different to be fun.

Like one time we ate dinner outside and then now it's like, outside dinner! And like every night, I'm like, well, we can't eat dinner outside every night. I don't want to cave all the time, but then you kind of just cave. I read some quote it's like, outside dinner! And like every night, I'm like, well we can't eat dinner outside every night. I don't wanna cave all the time. But then you kinda just cave. I read some quote that was like,

only say no if it's dangerous to like them or someone else. I've been thinking about that. But then she like- I'm like, it's not that bad. But then I'm like, now she's kinda running the house. That's the thing about the internet sometimes, you really gotta be careful,

whether it's getting your Karen Reed news or like parenting advice because like anything can sound good if worded correctly. Exactly. With like a nice soothing voice behind it. Well and you know what, I think the one thing that's working instead of like just saying the same thing 19 times like it's bath time, it's bath time,

it's bath time, she's like no, no, no. It's like do you wanna be a shark? Yeah. Let's go be sharks. Like what have you, that's working the most. Wait, that's a great question. And it's a rebranding. Yes, what is like, what is your favorite toddler rebrand?

Yeah, that's like, I saw, and I actually, okay, I did see this on Instagram, which is embarrassing, but it was like, some woman said to get her kid, her toddler to eat fish, she called it beach chicken. So then the kid was like, I want beach chicken. And I was like, that's genius. It's all rebranding, closer to the toddler age, but it's just rebranding.

And it's like- Beach candy. Yeah, and like brushing her teeth. I'm like, let's get the, like- My sister used to call them sugar bugs. Yeah, exactly. Let's get the bugs out. Or like, she has a really fun toothbrush. Or like, and like people have told me,

like when it comes time to potty train, like just cave and get the like Barbie underwear or whatever they want. That's exciting. Yeah. I'm like, whatever. Fine. As a second oldest of 11, I grew up watching a lot of Disney programming and then I haven't in quite some time. I've been rewatching a lot of, Oh yes. Old Disney movies. Is that something that you guys relate to? Have you found that any of them don't hold up? I mean, she loves Little Mermaid. The thing about her is like, I mean, she's obsessed with Moana.

I've only seen though the first like 12 minutes, but like 19 times. She only likes it when she's a baby. Like she only wants to watch baby Moana. And we went, we were, we took a flight most recently. So actually, and Moana was on the plane and it was the first time we made it a little bit deeper in, but I was like, it's kinda scary halfway through. It is, it is. Some crazy stuff happens.

I feel like most of them are scary, and it's, I am confused why we're making them. I watched Aladdin for the first time in a while, and I was like, that feels too adult, I don't, what? But I watched Frozen for the first time, really. He cried. I haven't even watched it yet. I honestly, I think I've only watched like the first time, really. He cried. I enjoyed that. I haven't even watched it yet. I honestly, I think I've only watched

the first 12 minutes as well. But it was just like. She was no longer paying attention if it was still sitting watching. Well, you know, like the sister bond, I was really charmed by that and it made me really wanna have a sister forever. I don't know, it was, movies get me, you know?

I did read, what was that headline somewhere? Like people who cry in movies are apparently smarter or something? Yes, of course. Did you just make that up? No, it's in the group chat. Yeah, I saw that though, the people who fall asleep watching True Crime as well.

Yeah, and people who smoke a lot of weed also are probably very smart. Geniuses. It says there's no definitive evidence to suggest that people who cry while watching movies are inherently smarter. But there's evidence, it's just not definitive. Evidence from the people who do it. Is she closer to you or your husband?

Or are y'all kind of equal? I mean, look, she's a little bit closer with me. But I also like, I work a lot and like Matt's amazing and like he can work from home ever since COVID. So I would not be able to work at the capacity that I do without him being as hands-on as he is. But of course, there's like, for now, yeah, we want mama. Did you enjoy when you met Matt,

the fact that he wasn't in entertainment? Yeah. For me, it just makes, I don't know, it just, yeah. I like the separation of church and state. I think the industry can be so weird and it's such a bubble and I could get really in my head about things. It keeps you grounded in a way. So much. It's very nice.

You have an amazing accent. Oh, thank you. In Georgia. Is that something you had to develop or were you always really good at that type of accent? No, we worked on it. We had a dialect coach season one, especially two, like of course for me,

and then also two of the main actors are Australian, Felix and Diesel. So Felix plays the cute boyfriend and then Diesel's George's son, or Austin. And then also the Canadians, just for a couple of mums here and there. But no, we had a dialect coach and that was super helpful. Is that fun to do?

Or like for me, I'm so bad at accents. It would just be like such a, it would take up so much playing capacity. I mean, you're already acting. Yeah, it's an added layer. I would say the one thing, like I would normally be able to improvise a lot more, but like improvising with the accent

is a little bit trickier. But kind of going back to what I was saying before too, like the way they write Georgia, the accent is almost built in, like the cadence. They're so good at it that like, I hear the Georgia accent when I'm reading it because I think they write it in. Like is it easy for you to like slip it in the conversation? Like season one for sure, it was like, I was going through

like with iambic pentameter and like out all the Gs and doing the dip thongs and stuff that I learned in college that I thought would never come in handy. And I'm like, oh my God, I had an old CD from college about tips and tricks. And I was like, I don't even think laptops have, I can't insert a CD anywhere anymore. But so yeah, seasons one and two,

one definitely required the most work. But it's cool, it does stick with you. But yeah, like I'll also go back and like watch or like even listen to some country songs, Lil Reba, sometime like. It says here you're watching the studio? Yes. As someone who works very much in the industry,

have you found it to be like wonderfully like relatable and charming? Yeah, are you guys watching it? Oh yeah, yeah. Okay, the one take where like the, the, um, when he goes to set. Oh, my God. The hardest episode to watch. I was dying. I have never seen anything so relatable and hysterical,

and they nailed it. They did. It just, the stakes are so high. Like, trying to get the light, like, making sure you get that magic hour light, and in one take, and like, I mean, the stakes are, you, like trying to get the light, like making sure you get that magic hour light and in one take and like, I mean, the stakes are, you have the weight of the world on your shoulders and they nailed it.

I thought it was amazing. Have you been able to like interact with a lot of executives? Because I feel like what's cool about this show is they do humanize a character in Hollywood that we often don't talk about or get access to. So much so like the, I love the Golden Globes episode.

Where it was just like. That was so good. You know, just like the. I'm not gonna win, of course I'm gonna win. The validation like his character needed, I just thought was like, just so great. It's so relatable. Like, yeah, has there been a moment

where you kind of like saw yourself in that character, Zoe Kravravitz where you're like, I need to not, but maybe I will, but no, no, I won't, but I think I will. Honestly, I actually was like, maybe that's the move. Like maybe that is the move. It's just like, no, no, no, no, no, no, of course not. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, it's not about that. Because I kind of bought it in the beginning. I know. Me too. And I was like, good for her.

Me too. So I actually kind of admired it. Yeah, maybe that is, yeah. Has there been like a highlight or favorite memory of this past month that you've had? Oh, I mean, actually quite, I've had, this has been a really fun month. I got to go to Beyonce. So that was happening.

I saw that on Instagram, yeah. How was Blue Ivy? I mean, so I have been saying, ever since I got pregnant, like my daughter will never be in the entertainment industry, ever, ever. And then watching Blue Ivy on stage with Beyonce, I was crying, and I was like, she could do it.

She could be an actress if she wants, it's OK. We can do it together. It's OK. That was a really, I don't know if they're doing a documentary or something, but I saw where, like, the first time she went out, Blue was, I don't know, like, young. And the response was very negative, because she had just kind of like jumped in

and she was like, no, I read all those. I've been grinding with these dancers. I've been working every day. And she's gotten so good. She owned the stage. Like it was an incredible two and a half hours. Wow. It was, I'm so proud of her.

Don't know her, but I'm so proud of her too. I mean, what is something, if let's say your daughter decided to get into entertainment. Yeah. You're someone who's made a whole career out of it. I don't know you that well, but just got to know you. You seem like a really grounded, normal, cool person. And I imagine any parent like yourself

who's in entertainment, whose initial thought is, I don't know if I want my child to do that, is that fear of just kind of how delulu like Hollywood can be and how out of touch it's easy to get to. Just because it is so, I don't know, it's so self-serving. It's a bubble.

Yeah, it's a bubble. And like, it's, so what do you think has allowed you to stay grounded, to be a very relatable, normal person, all while also being incredibly successful in the space. Oh, well, thank you. For an industry that doesn't have, like there's nothing linear about this,

like you could, everyone's path is so different and looks so different. I've had a shockingly linear path. Like I started out with one line and then that turned into a couple of lines. Like I didn't really skip any steps. And like I went to college and like I felt like I was a little behind when I graduated because of lines. Like, I didn't really skip any steps. And like, I went to college. And like, I felt like I was a little behind

when I graduated because everyone I was auditioning against didn't and like had four more years on their resume and like, of like, you know, hitting the pavement. So I think because, yeah, I've like kind of had a steady pace. Nothing happened too soon too fast, to be honest. Yeah, I think that has kind of helped. And then I've always, yeah, I've worked pretty steadily this whole time, but Ginny and George is the first thing that took off into the stratosphere in this way.

None of the other stuff did, and still, I'm so proud of it, and it's amazing. But this is one of the first things that really launched. I mean, that's a good point. I mean, I think, for me, I didn't go on reality TV until I was in my early 30s. A lot of my peers, it was like my early 20s. And I'm honestly really grateful for that

because had I done that 10 years earlier, how I handled myself, I think would have been very different and a lot less healthy and I would have been a lot less resilient. And yeah, you must feel like a little bit that's now that you look back, I'm sure there were times early in your career where you compare yourself to someone else

and you wish you got this and oh, you saw someone's like star rise faster than yours but now that you're in the position that you're in, yeah, I imagine you've been able to almost feel like you've been able to both have like this wonderfully cool normal life and then like fulfill your dreams at the same time. That's very sweet.

Look, I'm still comparing myself to people, of course, but that's a really nice way of framing it. Yeah. That being said, do you feel like now, kind of you mentioned is like, do you kind of feel like it's like, you know, it's like, now it's kind of getting my time. Things are popping.

Like, I don't know. Like I think it's all kind of happening for me. Like a little bit. Like you're- It's been a great year. It was really cool to get to go do, right before we shot season three, I got to do a movie with Netflix called Kind of Pregnant

with Amy Schumer and an incredible cast. It was with Happy Madison and it was a dream. Didn't I hear that you used your actual birth story? Yeah, yeah. And none of that was in the script and Amy called me the night before and was like, let's just up the ante, let's take this to the next level. Like, would you be willing to talk about your birth story?

And I was like, for sure. I mean, I'm very nervous to do this, but yeah, let's go do this. Had that ever been something that you had talked about publicly before? No, no, no, no. I know. Were you like nervous?

Of course. Because also like, I don't even know how much I've really processed all that still probably. Like, I guess that's kind of what the movie is about. Is that like this happens also like I don't even know how much I've really processed all that still probably. Like I guess that's kind of what the movie is about is that like this happens and then you don't process any of it and like it's just welcome. You're just thrown into the. Yeah. But no especially because like I don't know I remember when I was pregnant I heard so many scary scary stories and it freaked me out and like I didn't want I don't want to like perpetuate that for everybody because like up until that happened, everything was very smooth.

Yeah. How was your experience? Mine was honestly very lovely. I got an epidural and I would love to have one of those maybe every Saturday night. Why not? And everything worked out how it should have. And my mom was there recording. Oh my God. how it should have and my mom was there recording. So we were able to a few days later, a week or so

later, once we had like come down, be able to look back and watch it back and we saw that like the umbilical cord was very much wrapped around her neck and like we didn't know that until a week later. So like we were just glad that everything happened the way it did and we were able to be as present as possible. But in one of those videos, it was really sweet. They took her to get her nose sucked out or whatever, and she was crying, and Nick went over there to her, and she just stopped crying and turned her head to him. And it was like she knew his voice,

and it was the sweetest thing ever. It is crazy though. They really do know the voice. They know. They really do. Even those moments, obviously complications aside can make moments like that traumatic and certainly memorable,

but some of those life's biggest moments you anticipate your whole life, whether it was our wedding or the birth of our child, you're like, wait, it's over? It happened? It just goes. It's so surreal. Because in your head, you imagine it to,

you think time's gonna slow down. You know, you imagine there's gonna be like a marching band before, you know, and you're just like, wait, that was it. That was over. It was a little blip. Yeah, and it was, that was kind of one of my takeaways, like, oh, that was awesome and magical and amazing. She's here, but like, wait, what just happened?

What happened? Like, I thought that that happened on me. Like it was a really crazy experience. It's out of body. Is there a moment of your birth that you look back and you are, obviously there was a lot that happened, but is there moments that you can like pick and choose from that do make you happy and like, you know, you see that? Yeah. I mean, honestly, so many.

Like I, like, yeah, I'll never forget her laying on my chest for the first time. I'll never, I mean, I'm gonna cry you guys. No, it's so sweet. I remember when they did like, they went to go weigh her for the first time. And then my Matt walked over and looked at her and he like put his hand towards her and she gripped it. And he just started bawling.

Yes. I've never seen him cry so hard. But also she started coming out so fast. He almost missed the whole thing. He went to go get food. He went to go, he went to Eggslut across the street. We were at Cedars. He almost missed the whole thing because it was 25 minutes.

Like it happened very fast. Yeah, mine was fast. She was like crowning and they're like, so your doctor's parking. We'll just keep her there for a moment. Yeah, they were like, oh, hold on, she's not here yet. And they're like, and where's dad?

I was like, he's getting food. They're like in the cafeteria, right? And I was like, nope. He has left hold on, she's not here yet. And they're like, and where's dad? Yeah, I was like, he's getting food. They're like in the cafeteria, right? And I was like, nope, he has left the vicinity. That's what I did. He is long gone. I'm not in the cafeteria. Yeah, he's like, I'm not eating this.

He walked in holding tater tots and they go, dad, grab a leg. And then he was like, what, what, what, what? And I was like, it's happening now. And he's like, they said it was going to happen in the afternoon. And I was like, it's happening now. He's like, wait, but it was gonna happen in the afternoon. And I was like, it's happening now. He's like, wait, but if we just, can we just look at the time? And then he's like, do you want a tater tot?

And I was like, no, it's happening now. We gotta go. We gotta go. But like that, when I think about that, it makes me laugh. That's a sweet moment. And the nurses were so sweet. And one of my nurses had on Real Housewives of Orange County Scrubs.

But it was the name of Taylor with the cat. Yes. Yes. Oh my God. It was all over her scrubs and I just felt like it was a sign from the universe and I was like, you're my girl. I'm like, we're meant to do this together.

What's your favorite Housewives franchise? I mean, probably it's two, each season is so different but like I thought Beverly Hills was amazing this season. I mean, probably it's two, each season is so different, but like I thought Beverly Hills was amazing this season. OC like lost its way, but it's been bad. Like the last two seasons of OC I thought were amazing. And then Salt Lake has always delivered. New York I've always loved, but I wasn't as enthralled with like the most recent installment.

So it just depends. Have you been in end of the valley? No, I'm, but only cause I'm behind. I'm recent installment. So it just depends. Have you been getting into the Valley? No, but only cause I'm behind. I'm going to. That one's crazy. It's dark. It's this dark. It's also awesome.

Well, dark makes for great reality TV. Yeah, it's just, you know, maybe it's a new paranoid. Are there a lot of divorces this season or it's just the one? Two. Two. The one. That's Jackson, Brittany and Michelle. Yeah, it's, you know, as a fan of reality TV

and being in the season of life, I really appreciate the Valley. It's sometimes a tough watch because you're like, we cover it, I've been a part of it. I don't think people, and as a host of the show, I don't think fans of reality TV fully appreciate what reality stars are willing to do for our entertainment. Oh, we owe them everything.

I could never do it, never. And so like I'm trying to find that balance between, you know, like as, you know, we love to critique and talk about it and use it as like a launching pad for conversations about our lives, you know? It's easy to be critical, especially like their willingness to show things that you're like, I don't know,

I just, this seems a little wrong. But at the same time, I'm just like, oh my God, thank God people are willing to do this. We can't judge them because they're doing a great service. They are. Truly. They really are. Did you watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives season one? Of course. I loved it.

What is your favorite reality? Like you're sitting at home, you can turn them all on. Which one are you? Look, I love a blow deck. Really? I know it's kind of random. I love a blow deck. I just love it.

Cause it doesn't, Housewives can also get dark and toxic. And we want them like a little dark and toxic, but not so much. Like I hate it when like we have to put people on pause. Like I miss Dorinda. Yes. Like I don it like when like we have to put people on pause. Like I miss Dorinda. Like I don't, and I want everyone to be okay, you know? So Below Deck is like a nice safe.

There's a little fantasy to it. And like the hookups are so fun. And you've got the upstairs and the downstairs and there's new guests every week and you're going to a beautiful place. And there's those tiny little bunks. Always good drama, but it's like nefarious drama. Like, well, for the most part.

But then when they're super toxic, they get sent off. Exactly, yeah. Which actually does happen like every third episode. Year higher. Yeah, versus, we're like, all right, we're going to sit down at dinner after we just outed your ex-husband. Like, okay, let's go. Below Deck is probably your favorite too, right, Sierra? No, Summer House.

Summer House is my favorite. I'm behind on that too, but I love Summer House. That's good fun. Yeah. It's relatively, it's not as toxic. I mean, you know, there's- Do you guys do Southern Charm? Yes. Yeah, we do it all.

Yes, we were just, we just, we're in the South and we walk past a sew-in down South. Oh my God. Storefront. I was pretty impressed. How's it doing? It looked so big on the show. It was huge.

It was huge. I was very impressed. Wow. Like, I was like, good for you, Craig. He's really doing it, yeah. Yeah, like, it was like a weekday, so it wasn't show. It was huge. It was huge. I was very impressed. Wow. Like, I was like, good for you, Craig. He's really doing it. Yeah. It was like a weekday, so it wasn't like a high traffic day.

There was like, there was so many pillows. Amazing. So many pillows. And his face everywhere. Years ago. Truly. So he's just still thriving. He is.

He is still thriving. Did you ever watch Southern Hospitality? A little bit. Yeah. I didn't like sink my teeth in in the same way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I did either. What was your intro to reality TV?

It was probably like a Cupcake Wars, but I also remember watching Real Housewives of Orange County with my mom the first season and her saying that someone she worked with always wanted to live in Coto da Casa. And she was like, I've heard about this place. Let's go, let's check it out. I'll watch.

So then, yeah, there's like early, early days. What else was on in the day? Laguna Beach, the hills? I did a little Survivor, not as much. This one show I've never seen, Survivor. I've tried to get Nick to watch it so many times. I don't currently watch, but people are, oh my God. I feel like the OG seasons. I mean, as I'm sure,

like most seasons are, but yeah, OG is definitely really good. So it's still fun for you to watch reality TV, even though it was such a big part of your life. Yeah, I mean, I still like, it's, I'm sure like as an actor, when you're watching, I've done a little bit of acting, even then, I can watch something now and be like,

wow, that was, I mean, before I ever even tried it, you just watched it and just appreciate the storyline as opposed to being like, that was an amazing performance. Wow, like that person was acting and that was great. And with reality TV, there's certainly moments where I'm either like kind of rolling my eyes because it feels a bit forced or staged. I think reality TV in the past used to get away

with professional wrestling, where they used to pretend it was real. And reality TV used to be like, no, this is, when I was on The Bachelor, they had me go knock on our room and so they'd had me like go to the hotel and get the key. And then I had fans being like, why is that person giving them the key? It's just like, I had a camera following me.

Yeah. You know, like, come on. And I think now fans are more educated about how reality TV is made. And sometimes they get frustrated that networks aren't like keeping up with how intelligent fans are getting. And I wish they would like break the fourth wall

a little bit more because like we all know rather than pretending that, like the fake therapy in Bravo just always gets me. It's rough. It's just like, come on. Yeah. Sitting with our couples therapist or like life coach or something.

No, I think breaking the fourth wall, you're right. But you kind of bring up a good point that reality TV has changed so much because one of the other shows that I got so into was 90 Day Fiance. Yes. Did you guys ever do that? I do so into was 90 Day Fiancé. Yes. Did you guys ever do that? I do that still. But like, it's not, what season is it in?

I don't know. I don't know. We're in very deep now. There's like part five of a reunion. Yeah. But like season one truly felt like a documentary. But like now it's such a big show. It feels like people are trying to go on it just to,

like they, everyone's too self-aware now. And like, it changes the feeling for sure. That's how it definitely Bachelor feels these days. It's like, it's too self-aware now. And like, it changes the feeling for sure. That's how definitely Bachelor feels these days. It's like, it's- Everyone knows why they're going on. They know what they're gonna get out of it. It's less- They're all, as soon as like the show's airing,

everyone's pretty much- It's like, let's hear your trauma. It's all right, she has ADD. Everyone's like pumping out their TikTok trends, you know, it's very, yeah. Well, Breanne, before we let you go, I wanna play the trailer for season three so the fans can get a little bit of a sneak peek and see what to look forward to from the next

season of Jenny and Georgia. You know what I loved about your wedding? It wasn't this cookie cutter copy and paste affair. It was very memorable. Especially the part where I was arrested. Exactly. Especially the part where I was arrested, exactly. My mom's awaiting her murder trial and everyone at school is looking at me like I'm in the circus.

It's fun. Your college essay writes itself. First to be murdered is life without the possibility of parole. Life. You will be on house arrest, monitored with an ankle bracelet until trial Why is it beeping I'm not running away I'm in my damn house it needs to be charged. Oh, I Cannot believe that this is my life sometimes Do you really needs us right now I'm worried about her

I've always known my mom was different It's more to her that people don't see. Everyone thinks I'm a violent, unhinged monster. You can't give up. At least it can't get any worse, right? Except if I go to prison, that would be worse. Order! I'm not a bad person. But if you come face to face with Bae, you become a little bad yourself.

I want to protect you from all this. Mom needs me! You think you have the whole story, but you don't! No more secrets. I've been defending my mom to everyone. I am trying so hard to protect her, but I don't even know if it's the my mom to everyone. I am trying so hard to protect her, but I don't even know if it's the right thing to do. I don't want my mom to go to prison.

Do you think she did this? WeRide or Die?" by The Valkyries plays in the background.] Oh my god. ["Ride or Die?" by The Valkyries plays in the background.] ["Ride or Die?" by The Valkyries plays in the background.] Bring this together. Ride or die. Where are we riding and why do we have to die? ["Ride or Die?" by The Valkyries plays in the background.] ["Ride or Die?" by The Valkyries plays in the background.] ["Ride or Die?" by The Valkyries plays in the background.]

["Ride or Die?" by The Valkyries plays in the background.] You really look like a badass walking into that courtroom. You did! I was like, oh, period. And the accent is so good. Oh, thank you guys. I'm being from the South. I watched, I'm originally from Auburn, Alabama.

Oh my God. And then lived in Savannah, Georgia before I moved here. So if you have like a glass of wine, is it really coming out? Oh, when she gets on the phone with her sisters, I'm like, who is this person? Yeah. If honestly, if we have like a country artist guest,

people and like the amount of DMs being like that accent was so insane It just like falls out of me, but it's really good Sometimes it's hard to watch some people do southern accents and it feels very like yours is it comes off very natural Thank you so much. That means a lot coming from you. Yeah,. I was like, I'm pretty sure this isn't her real voice. I went back and- Well, like some after, like when it first came out and I would send in self tapes, they would think, they would be like, oh no, she could do her regular accent.

It's okay. Thinking it was Southern. Like they'd be like, she doesn't have to put on a neutral American. That's great. And they were like, no, this, she's not from the South. Yeah. This is her accent. Well, congratulations.

Obviously we're very excited about it. It's a great show and I'm excited for people to watch season three and come back again. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Well, just wanna thank you to our guests, Katie and Dana from Disrespectfully

as well as Bri and Howie. Tomorrow, don't forget, we have a Going Deeper with Dakota from the hit show, Secret Lies of Mormon Wives. It's got over a billion streams. I mean, that show is crushing. That's like a hundred million per episode. That's crazy. I'm three of them.

Three Bill? No, I'm just three. Like I've watched the whole series three times over. Well, Dakota, obviously, some might consider a problematic character. A complicated man. Complicated man. We get a little backstory,

little insight on his relationship with the star. We will see you tomorrow. Bye.