The Viall Files - E95 Bachelor Recap- Ep 8: Hometowns with Cazzie David

Episode Date: February 18, 2020

The talented Cazzie David recaps this season's Hometowns episode. We talk about Hannah Ann’s hilarious conversation with her sister, Madison’s parents’ involvement in her virginity, and Kelsey��s sad departure. Plus, you have to hear Cazzie’s impression of Victoria F.  What does Nick think about the final three living together during Fantasy Suites? You’ll have to listen to find out! THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: UNDERCOVER TOURIST: http://undercovertourist.com/viall GRAVITY BLANKETS: http://gravityblankets.com/viall See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What is going on, everybody? Happy Bachelor Recap. Whether this is Monday night or Tuesday morning, thanks for choosing us amongst the 1,003,222 Bachelor recaps you have available at your disposal. We are glad that you finally got around to listening to us. So, great episode of The Bachelor, Hometowns.

And by great, I mean I have a lot of opinions. Yeah, you do. It's wild. It was a wild, what a wild season. From the second I walked in this morning, Nick's been like, what about this and this? Wild.

We have an amazing guest to help us break it down. Kazzy David will be joining us this episode. Very talented human being. For those of you who don't know who Kazzy David is, she is an up and coming star, writer, actor, producer. I think she even is directing. We'll get to talk to her a little bit. The daughter of legendary Larry David.

Larry. Larry David. I'm a big fan of his work. But like some of our guests, I feel like we get them right before they pop. Make them superstars. I first discovered... I didn't know

Kazzy. I didn't know her as... I didn't know who she was from her father. I knew... I was on the old internet and she has this really smart and funny web series that she created and wrote called 86th. And she did this...

I don't know if it was an expose, this kind of article with People Magazine talking about breakups. And she just gave some very relatable information and some kind of self-awareness and self-deprecating insight to it. And I just thought it was really funny and smart and insightful and relatable.

And I was like, oh, who is this person? I looked her up and then realized at that point who she was. But if you aren't familiar, you should check out Cassie. She's doing a lot of great stuff. And obviously, it's very relatable what we're doing here with Vile Files. But she's so smart and funny and has a lot of great insights about being a millennial and dating in the space that we are today. Has a lot of great insights about being a millennial and dating in the space that we are today.

She did this recent article called Going Cold Turkey where she gave up her phone for a week and used a flip phone. I want to do that. And wrote about it. And that's another great piece. So she's very talented and we appreciate her taking the time to break down The Bachelor. I know she's a big Bachelor fan. She's been watching it for years. So she has a lot of things to say about this episode. We are excited to have her on.

Yeah. Nick, you just got back from New York. I did. You were doing Good Morning America? Yeah. You know, promoting the old Valentine's Day. Oh, by the way, for all the people who wanted to criticize Peter and I, I said Valentine's. You did not. I do. You said two times you said Valentine's Day... Oh, by the way, for all the people who wanted to criticize Peter and I, I said Valentine's. You did not. I do.

Two times you said Valentine's. I didn't. Because every time I say it, I don't know if it's a Midwest thing, I don't say Valentine's because... Listen, I mumble in general, but I know it's Valentine's. I don't know, Nick. I don't know. Because I've heard you say it. Valentine and Valentine.

Because that, I'm just more enunciating it, but I know that it's... You can all suck it out there. I'm just saying. Anyways, yeah, I was doing Valentine's special for my friends at GMA. It was a lot of fun. We did kind of a bachelory kind of spoof on finding love. Someone wanted to date you. I had a wonderful cup of coffee with a lovely lady,

which was great. She wasn't even a big Badger fan. It was like a big win. She's like, who are you? Yeah, no, it was me, her, and a few producers went out and had some breakfast. Oh, cool. She was quite nice and quite lovely.

So it was fun. Nice. Yeah, and then I got to be in New York, which I always have a great time doing. Yeah, what'd you do? Roam the city. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

Hung out with some friends. You got friends out there? I have friends out there. Nice. Hung out. It was cold. Oh, really? Got to support some winter wear, which I don't get to do in LA.

I know you love that. I love that. Good turtleneck, good scarf. So I had a great time. Anyways, should we just get to... Yeah, let's do it. Kansi Davin and Hometowns episode or season 20. What season is this?

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so of all the seasons of the bachelor i just feel like you know even from your season the amount of contestants the bachelor bachelorette kisses has widened every season but you would think it would have gotten less you know considering the me too movement and everything yeah uh but so you think it's just they have nothing to say they feel awkward they feel bad they don't want to reject anyone from the bachelor standpoint yeah yes you just want you just feel bad so what are you supposed to do throw them a bone yeah give him a little kiss when a girl has nothing to say and she goes to kiss you the bachelor can't you know swerve and do that it's you can't be like cut like she was trying to kiss me i can't tell you how many people i didn't want to kiss and you did kiss yeah that's fucking sucks man i feel like you could have said no you're just that's

that's what that's you're just always been a thing it's like that's the same thing with girls like you don't want to say no so you we used to say like oh like i have a boyfriend or like oh i'm a lesbian you would like literally pretend to be a lesbian and then they'd be like prove it yeah at the time at the time we all praised her for it because and if a bad i remember we were like our queen like like wow look at you stand up it was like it was a real feminist movie yeah she really um peter could have done it a little bit a little bit but in the moment he's not he's just worried about being a dick okay um but the bachelor you know to bring you up here the up until recently like no one no the bachelor never talked about sex they've sexualized it a little bit so

it's kind of gone the opposite direction where before it was this implication and what and but was there like behind the scenes sex like point yeah yeah they just didn't talk about it yeah yeah yeah there was probably i've heard you can have sex pre-fantasy suite i mean i yeah i you did yeah it was how many people it was on the show it was on the show that was the first sorry i don't remember it's okay uh which one was caitlin can we pull her up that was the first time uh that they talked about it before i've heard stories about like when the show first came out how it was just a different world and there was a lot of hooking up you did they just didn't air now i've heard stuff i don't know how true that is.

Anyway, it's Kazzy David, everybody. I'll stop the questions. No, it's fine. I like these kind of like smooth segues. How long have you been watching for? I've been watching since... I wasn't there for the original first few. I'll throw some out.

I forget which one did I start at well there's where did you watch before me you might have been my first one who was before you uh the bachelorette before me was jojo you were the first bachelor i watched damn oh yeah oh gee here so you've been a fan for some time now i guess yeah four or four seasons that makes you a veteran yeah i guess i'm a veteran that's why i'm here veteran enough and that's the only reason are you have you been what like in since my season you watch do you have do you watch every season every season bachelor in paradise which which is your favorite of the three you know they're all infuriating for different reasons why tell me uh you know actually i also think that you know it was very obvious when like a producer was making someone stay for longer than

you yeah the bachelor the bachelorette would want them to be on the show for you'd be like oh they need to say another episode to create drama they like begged you to keep this crazy girl, right? It's less about begging. It's more like, like a- It's fine. You're like, okay, sure. Like we'll keep it. I don't care. Yeah, you don't care.

You know, they never make you send people home that you want to keep. Right. Oh. But then, you know, now it's like, they're keeping people who you would assume the producers would want them to keep, but you know the producers are not making them keep them.

And that's where it's gotten a little infuriating. This season's bizarre. But also Hannah's season with like Luke P and, you know. No, she wanted to pick Luke P. Yeah, that's what she's saying. She knows it wasn't producer driven. Yeah, I mean, it makes it, I mean, I like it because it just makes it real,

not necessarily that you have to agree with it, but it's just, that's that's why that's why people that's why hannah season was so successful is because of luke p yeah it's because you hated him so much like you don't have a great hero without a great villain that's true um except i don't know if she was the hero in the luke p situation i'll tell you who was the hero. Who? Luke S. Tell me more. Oh, you're a Luke S, Stan. Yeah, I'm a full Luke S, Stan.

He was the hero. Hannah wasn't the hero. Hannah was also the villain. Okay, tell us more. Just in the Luke P situation. Otherwise, you know, she's our queen, like, whatever, yeah, that bullshit. That's right.

I'm off the bandwagon. okay officially wow she uh she come has she come on the show yeah she was great yeah yeah i've gotten no she's really like media trained and good you know she's just like working it she's she knows how to be on yeah a big fan of the career that she's had. So what are your thoughts on Peter this season? I guess the same kind of feelings on similar. Yeah, he's a pushover. I don't like that. And whether or not he's just like trying not to be like a dick. You know, I don't like how my real thoughts on Peter

shaped when the whole Alea thing went down you know i didn't were you team alea yeah but it seems like you know i was also team alea yeah all of my opinions i've had you know i think are so obvious i'm like how can anyone like this is insane like these 10 girls are and she was so poised and graceful and like articulate about she really was and she was like they just don't like me and like this is their opinion and these aren't facts yeah totally and that was the truth and having been in that environment and that's where i i i'm especially on the show like before you started watching yeah when i was the bachelor i my first time on the season i was the villain i've been the villain before.

So like, I know what it's like to be the bad guy. Right. And I know what it's like to like be in a house full of bros and like, and just not let, and just, I was just like, you guys suck.

And then all of a sudden feel the wrath of the house come at you. And so I like to have, like, I sometimes like to defend the villains, not because I don't really know who these people are, but at that point, not only was she she articulate she was articulated in a moment where it was she was impossible she was isolated from every outside thing and everyone she looked at hated her that sucks but it was so obvious but it was so obvious that was the problem with it

it was so obvious that it was because of jealousy. Totally. Like these girls when one person like threw someone under the bus they were like oh let's just like it's like they all had a meeting like let's just like do it and like we'll get her out. They smell blood.

Yeah. And all their they're just happy that it's not them. A hundred percent. Yeah. But I just feel like that didn't happen before.

This season it's been happening a lot where every single It's happened before it's just more. I know but you'd have some smart people on the outside, like Luke S., you know?

Wow. You know, call me the defense. Luke S. is your hero. I just, that season when she sent home Luke S., was it Garrett? Like week after week, it was like another nice dude. Normal. Normal dude that she could have been with.

And she sent them all home and the same thing's happening this season i feel like he just sent home like normal girl after normal girl because like some non-normal girl like told him to and he's like okay like you know i guess i have to just do that now well actually what really i mean what it really is is we all have bad pickers and we've all like dated people that our friends and family have been like, eh, they're not that great. And sometimes we like who we like. And at the end of the day, it just comes down to Peter's just attracted to a select few.

Yeah, I guess that's a wise thing to say. And nothing really has – the rest just doesn't matter, right? You just kind of have tunnel vision. That's the reality. And so he's just not as into alea or some of these other women and he realized that kelly's cool but he's more do you think that he was not into these women i mean i will say this season is for me it's wild because i kind of knew what i was doing the whole way through so i was just kind of just going peter like this episode i'm blown away how either he's just like drinking the kool-aid or

he's really confused how he's going to pick because i've never seen someone where i watch it where i actually believe he might be just equally into all four well he's saying he loves that he's telling them it's just like because it usually i feel like that usually happens where it's like around this time where he's like i'm falling for you the falling my heart it's like his himself and his heart are two different people it's like my heart's falling for you oh it's i don't know where i am but it's such a it's such a line it's it's the most meaningless thing you can say to he has some really good lines i remember you had really good what was your like famous line like you definitely had a line that you just like like brushed off people with it was like a journey or a well you know it i don't remember

oh when he was breaking up with people it was like you the you guys are so good at breaking up with people i mean i had to break you have it down well i i i broke up with nine people like without giving them a rose it was more like you gotta go on a date like which is hard to do oh right yeah like it's just easier to be like sorry no rose bye i i'm i was just like i was you get i was the opposite of peter uh no it sucks it really sucks it's it's the it's the worst but i i did feel like it was not the right thing that's right thing to do because when i went through it it sucks to just stand there feel like you're making some sort of connection and just not get a rose i'm imagine like breaking up of someone and you're just like do you have a

rose no all right bye and then you don't talk that's it and so like to at least answer some questions and answer some questions and have a conversation is at least something but it's hard to do but you never come off not liking the person doing the dumping and your guys because you guys are so honest i mean you're not you can't be honest but like you seem honest does that make sense so you're just like what are you gonna do he doesn't like her like whatever the honest thing is is they're just like, what are you going to do? He doesn't like her. Like whatever. The honest thing is, is they're just really not into them. Yeah, exactly. And you know, who, who goes out on a Friday night, walks into a bar with 30 people of the opposite sex and like are into half of them.

Like you're into maybe two. If that. Most of the time you go out, you leave, you go to a party and you're just like, eh, I don't really like anyone. Do you think The Bachelor would benefit from just having a few less people from the beginning no i i you need to have all those people for the show purposes i and i've said this before i strongly believe that and i said this to the producers i think they're making a huge mistake with casting that the the leads right now the bachelor bachelorette have absolutely no say in the cast they're not involved in the process at

all short of just being like, hey, so tell me a little bit about, do you like people with brown hair or blue eyes? You don't think they shouldn't get their friends in? That would make it interesting, I think. I think to some level, the lead should have some involvement in the casting process. It shouldn't be a complete like,

we'll figure it out for you. It's a free-for-all. It's a total free-for-all. It's total chaos. And the more, and why think it's benefits the show is the more sincere they are in their interest for these people the better the drama the more the heart of the time they have well that's why it's interesting i've been watching a lot of love island as well because uh that's what one does when they don't have any thing to do, it seems. Hell yeah.

Relate to that. For sure. They're so open about their type. So a guy walks in and they're like, what's your type? And they're like, tall, dark, handsome tattoos. And everyone's like, oh, okay. So the two people who like tall, dark, handsome tattoos are going to go for that guy. What's your type? Blonde.

And then it's like, okay, so that's for you. And i'm not gonna fuck with him because like my type's not blonde it's tall dark with tattoos yeah it's so superficial but it it almost works like better well i mean it works because it's honest and we go at the bachelor and pretend that we don't have a type and it's wrong to have a physical type and you know and the and the Bachelor can't really say that and he has to pretend to. Types are so interesting, right? To be into that, but yeah, I do think they should involve the lead a little bit more because they would just get a.

For sure. We don't need to know. We don't need to know because they did it originally, this whole idea when the show started, be like, well, they want that reveal, that surprise, that initial reaction, but that's not, who cares? Oh, of the Bachelor meeting them and being like, well, they want that reveal, that surprise, that initial reaction. But that's not a, who cares? Oh, of the bachelor meeting them and being like, oh. Yeah, but do we?

Who are you? Yeah, that's why they do it. It makes no sense. And they're casting a ton of people that the lead's not that into. Yeah. But those are the worst parts of the bachelor. It's like, he's not gonna go for this girl.

Yeah. Who are your biggest disappointments before we get in this episode of like people you wish or you thought peter was perfect for or what should be around uh i'm freaking i'm forgetting them now they've it's been so long um i thought alea was like a good match for him to be honest i think she could be a good bachelorette oh yeah yeah right no yeah no maybe not no but i i could well i'll tell you why not because twitter which i go to for popular opinion smart and i think like oh of course the world's gonna agree with me like i have correct opinions about almost everything um and then i go on everyone's

like fuck alaya fuck alaya she's the worst like i'm so glad he saw that like oh like yeah sydney for like killing that bitch no twitter is just they don't know yeah they don't they don't agree with me yeah about anything it's because it's you watch it with kind of with more of an articulate or a kind of a critical eye where most people when they watch it kind of turn it off so to speak so those the girls in the house represent you know the girls everywhere like they just essentially they they the show likes to tell you what to do via the music the soundtrack that they play right and then when you're like folding laundry watching the show and you hear villainous music you're just like oh fuck that bitch yeah you know that's kind of

they tried to do that with uh kelly kelly. Didn't work. Didn't work. Well, that was great because, you know, you didn't see that. But on my first season, I was on that same date and got literally the same edit in terms of basically the edit was cocky, thinks they're better than everyone else over this whole stupid thing. I got that same edit and it went very differently. But what was different is like everyone's kind of been sick of these other women and they're kind of sick of Peter, like making these decisions. And so by the time they did it to Kelly, it was like too late.

We were just like, she's the only same person left. That was, that was another person. She was too mature for Peter. Yeah. It seemed, but yeah,

everyone I was, we were talking before. Everyone seems really young. I don't know. there was one other person that was normal oh who was the other person that was no she was crazy natalie natasha who was natalie who was natasha she got sent home on a one-on-one the last episode where she didn't get one and then peter like took her date just to break up with her? She was, I don't think she was actually that into him.

No. They weren't a good match. I don't know. I think you're right. Like had Alea not been like assassinated. Totally. She could have been a-

I bet Peter would have really liked her. Yeah. She would have been at hometowns maybe instead of Kelsey. Yeah. We'll see what happens

at Women Tell All. Maybe she'll have a, you know, shining moment. It's going to be good. So let's get into the episode. First first one-on-one was hannah and thoughts on hannah and so far you know i mean sweet sweet girl you know who isn't charmed by that note she made just kidding who wasn't just like that girl is just uh peach don't hold back um no i think that i thought was so funny was when um she wrote him that note you know which

was like basically a meme it was like so stupid and childlike um and then she goes to her to her hometown her home did they ever use fake homes they they try not to but they do it's happened yeah when does it happen when uh when the people's homes they're they might say i don't want to film at my house or they're hoarders they're i don't know i don't know all this it's a very intimate being inside someone's home i don't like it at all most people really like it though i will say like on my time it was some of the parents are real skeptics and some of the parents are like super excited they're there they've been watching for 20 seasons yeah like tyler c's dad was like a super fan of my favorite thing is watching the dads hate their daughters so much.

There's never been a time where they hate their daughters more when they're like, my daughter's so fucking stupid. She walks through the door. I'm so embarrassed of my fucking daughter. The dads are definitely the best time. Hannah, for me, one of the all-stars of this episode

was Hannah Ann's dad, who was just like, I'm really excited to be here this is stupid um so yeah hannah takes what peter on the uh i was like i'm protecting her axe throwing date which is a metaphor for peter's uh i thought that was a cool date not the reason as to why they went on the date but that's a fun date yeah oh the manliness that that backstory of like, you gotta be manly like my dad. That's stupid as shit.

It's a little toxic, right? But throwing axes is cool and fun. That's just fun. You guys don't help plan the dates, do you? When it comes to hometown, I will say that the, so the women this season, they will, you know, it would be like, they'll pretty much know their top four but they'll ask their top six or seven say we're getting close to hometowns if you want to if you get it what

would you want to do uh i you know i might when i was my hometown i said my friends are really important to me i wanted to meet my friends uh an awesome walk is known for beer so we took i took her to a brewery and she met my friends like that's about it i would do i'd be like just come over and we'll smoke weed and watch the bachelor it's my date my hometown date um so yeah they actually they try to get their their opinion uh and they they actually try to work with the people to kind of show somewhat of an authentic yeah it's hard to know if if they help out or not because you would think like yes maddie would take him to like the basketball ring but yes the producers would make maddie's date the basketball okay great good but uh yeah so like my my guess is with hannah ann she she was like here's some cool spots i've gone to

and then they'll have like producers go out there and kind of scout out the city and throw out some ideas and they'll kind of mutually agree but what i was saying with the note was that when she went home with the sister and after peter had made her the same note of the things he loves about her her and her the sister sitting on the bed and that was a weird moment for me hannah's like you know oh like you know he i think he's has he told this is like has he told you he loves you yet and she's like no but like he made me this no that says like all the things he loves about you and the sister goes oh and i thought she was a hundred percent joking i was like oh this is like the funniest bitch that's ever been on the bachelor and she's like well when a guy writes hannah when a guy writes the things that he loves about you it's real yeah it's real and then she goes it's real

love i yeah i mean i had the same reaction it's that made me go look is like what they actually said later in the episode like was that our older sister younger it's her younger sister so it's like sweet they're all sweet it was a sweet but it was kind of like to me that's what made this kind of season even more weird because it just it just seems like puppy love all these relationships it just i well hannah also there was that episode where you know peter was like you know like peter was giving would have given up on hannah sent her home had she not been like okay i'll cry and like i'll like I'll love you and be more obvious about it. She really came around full 180 and has now been pushing that.

She knows what he likes and now she's doing it. Last episode, it was like, yeah, I actually think, like I said, Hannah Ann, she's not as basic or as simple as she's coming across lately. I think Hannah Ann in the earlier episodes is more the Hannah Ann that she is in person is she might she's not as basic or as simple as she's coming across lately i think hannah ann in the early earlier episodes is more than hannah ann that she has in person where she has some snark and some bite and some and some wit but yeah right after the cry episode the next date she's on with kelly she's like she let off the date immediately starts crying yeah bam she knows exactly next

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So check us out, ntroyal.com, code natural for 30% off. So we were talking about how surprised Peter was on our episode that his love language was words of affirmation. And here they're kissing at the end and she says I love you and he's like say it again yeah yeah yeah he's like uh wait but the that episode when they were at dinner and he was like I'm just not feeling it from you and then he like gets up and leaves it and she's like I'm like I really like you like what do you he gets up and leaves he's like pacing and she, it was in that moment where she was like,

oh, I know what I have to do. Here's my guess, a little behind the scenes because I asked Peter about that because he asked me when he was on about like what I thought about Victoria F leaving because it looks like in the moment she just got up and left in a panic, right? And then I have like, well, Peter, I said,

well, why you left on Hannah Ann's date? Well, in the middle of these dates, you like go to the bathroom, you will do your interviews. And sometimes there's like, sometimes you are just sitting there waiting for the other person. My guess is, uh,

that he maybe excused himself to go to the bathroom and then they left it in there and making it. And then he just like, they kept him out there and just let her go find him. This is my guess. I don't know that for sure, but I mean, for her to be smart enough to even go find him is like you know you would feel a little rejected at the table like he left he doesn't like like he doesn't like me and the whole thing is no he doesn't like you because you're not like obsessed right now i think hannah ann knows what she's doing what about this shot of her in the rain i will say

to my producer friends in the show i know like they they're talented people who sometimes wish they could make different types of art and i i appreciate uh like they have these shots where they'll get when they're shooting my shot tonight no they do they really get excited about like their their b-roll um so i thought that was a nice moment i gotta say i've been back and forth between do do you have a, by the way, before we get into it, do you have a guess of who he picks? I have a few ideas. I have an idea of what's going to happen, I think.

What is that? Well, at first it was like the obvious, like Hannah comes back, like Hannah Brown. I wish. And then I saw this rumor that he's in love with a producer. Right. I don't believe that either. Here's what I think is going to happen.

Okay, we're ready. Maybe it what I think is going to happen. Okay? Okay, we're ready. Maybe it's obvious. Maybe it's not. Madison finds out he's slept with Victoria or whoever. Sure. Leaves. Yeah.

He's left with like Hannah Ann and Victoria. And he's like, I love Madison. Cool. And his mom's like, don't let her go like whatever so peter's mom's now the godfather yeah that's my imitation and then peter's like okay and flies back get madison and then what happens uh i think they probably they she says yes they get married that's how they're setting it up but it sounds too

Colton asked where I don't feel like why would they do that so you think it's something entirely different well Peter keeps being like you'll

never figure it out so that's throwing me off I hate my ending I don't want that to be that ending what do you want I don't like that ending something like

I don't know that's boring I mean I don't know how it goes down but I've gone back and forth between I think assuming he's with someone from the show, it's Madison.

It's clearly either Madison or Hannah Ann. Yeah, it's clearly Madison. But I've been saying Hannah Ann, I will say after this date, if Peter doesn't pick Hannah Ann, he's a dick. Why? His dad was full on like, and that's where I really liked Hannahannah ann's uh dad was like dude listen

don't because listen saying i'm falling in love with you was a bullshit thing to say to anyone especially in that environment you could just end up not i've done that i i said it to the girls in my season saying like being like whatever it doesn't mean anything else it's also like i can see the one level before that is i can see myself really falling for you. I can feel myself seeing myself falling for you someday. It's so good. It's genius. But in that moment, Hannah Ann's dad was like calling him out for what falling in love actually meant.

And he was just like, listen, don't do it. He said, don't say it unless you're serious and it's real he his dad was clearly saying don't say it to my daughter unless you know you're gonna pick her that's what he was saying there was no like confusion no that's what and peter is just like he was like you know i heard these words and i'm internalizing them and it's don't say them unless they're real and that's a lot to think about cut to five five seconds later. I love you. Oh, no wait. He goes, I'm falling in love with you, and then Hannah, I love you.

I love you. I felt bad in that moment because it was like, she just wanted to hear it, and then she's just like, I'm falling in love with you. I love you, and then that felt wrong for me.

But then if she'll have the conversation with the sister again, the sister's going to say, you know, a guy doesn't say they're falling in love with you. He doesn't love you this will be a learning moment for hannah ann if she doesn't end up with peter she'll be fine uh she will she'll be totally fine uh i yeah i uh i mean obviously i've been defending peter but like it made me like hope he picks hannah ann just because it was like her dad was really yeah but he doesn't know that he

even did anything wrong in that moment because in his mind he is falling in love with her which doesn't mean anything. Well, it's clear that Peter's full on drinking the bachelor Kool-Aid. Yeah. Like,

he believes in the process like I don't think any other bachelor before him. He's like, you're my fire and you're my rock and... And he like literally resets because at this point,

I mean, I will say when I got to hometowns, it's different for every person. I knew who I was pretty much. Is the traveling just a hell? It sucks. And hometown is the worst week

because you do like, you know that you're going into these families' houses. You know that you're like, you know what it is, right? And I will say I've noticed they're not asking for blessings anymore,

which I actually really like. Oh, you're right. I didn't notice that. Really like that. I thought tooth and nail. They made you do it? It was like a tradition. I got in a lot of fights

and I was just like, hey, listen, listen. The blessing conversation. I was just more like, listen, if it comes down to that and I just want to know that you're comfortable. I was, because I didn't feel comfortable asking all these parents. I pretty much knew what I was going more like, listen, if it comes down to that, and I just want to know that you're comfortable. I was, because I didn't feel comfortable asking all these parents.

I pretty much knew what I was going to do. And you just really want to be respectful of these families because you know that you're coming into their house. And so, put it this way, I'm not writing notes to people I'm not picking. I'm not trying to lead them down a path because I was just like, you're getting close to the end. And all you want to do is not like fuck anyone up over this. Peter's just seeing who's going to like him the most by the end.

It's wild. So it's not like who he's going to like the most at the end. No, he's still figuring it out, which is again, by definition, makes him a great bachelor. Exactly. But it's wild that way where I think he is still figuring it out and it's like the women on the season are suffering for it for sure it's kind of wild that's why it is an actual competition yeah fast forward to kelsey i'm a huge kelsey fan i like yeah she you know has surprised me let's say that or she surprised everyone yeah i mean she's come a long way from champagne gate

she's come a lot yeah she's taken was taken seriously when she first came on i kept referring to her as uh sharon stone from casino casino i never saw it oh you should it's great okay um anyways it's basically her character just like for at any moment completely loses her shit makes no sense whatsoever what she did in peru or is that where they were when she went to his house to explain that situation like anyone else like i think would have been like this is messy like i'm gonna have to send them home everyone home yeah she knew what he needed to like everyone's caught on to him yeah yeah she knew how to stay in yeah you're right but i i will say between the four women left i think kelsey's my rider like i think kelsey's

loyal i think would you ever like so let's say not in a dating situation i just think i could be friends with her and i think of all those three four women i think as a friend i could trust her with something i think she would go to bat as a yeah i think she'd be a good friend yeah she's been she's defended some people i've also have who have needed defending i think deep down she has a good heart yeah i just get a sense that she is like she's a decent human i liked her date too i thought the wine was a good date as a fun i was horrified that they don't wash their feet before they make wine they maybe have no i watched them take their socks off and then get into the tub i i doubt very much uh those grapes

went anywhere other than just the trash the trash you know i was i'm a believer in the show i guess not to did i completely ruin the behind the scenes um yeah kelsey's been good she's she's rocked on you know kelsey's mom tells peter not to break her heart yeah her mom was a little intense he does it's always a bad sign it's not the kiss of death but it's always a bad sign when you get an unsolicited especially from peter i love you yeah because like you kind of know you're going home well you don't know you're going when you get an i love you she was like but he still was like how do you feel about me he was like i mean you've seen the show every time someone yeah uh says they i love you early on then then they go home yeah there's a unless you're with peter and then you'll stay for a little bit longer

so so yeah kelsey she has a nice stage. She's very sweet. We all know she goes home. Is this a fake house, Kelsey's? No, probably not. Dude, property value in Iowa I don't think is... No, but it just felt like very like... Bed, bath and beyond?

No, like staged furniture. Well, the art department always comes in, right? And so like depending on your artwork, you have your house, they might like, they'll always like read, not even step it up, but like make it able so they don't have to blur things out. So they might move some stuff around. So there's always, whether it's their houses or not,

they might play with some stuff to make it like viewable for abc um do you think you know who the next bachelorette's gonna be no i think well yeah i think it's gonna be hannah brown i think it's gonna be maddie another fucking season wait but maddie might win i don't think she's gonna win i think they want her for bachelorette because they love basketball in the virgin that's just peter again but like in maddie form i don't think i don't think it's hannah brown would uh you know what usually you'd be like that's not fair she already did it i would be down for that it's gonna it's gonna be sloppy if it is for sure you can't get another look p just be like i'm taking no shit this season it's like but

when you're on top there's only one way to go that's great um but that's my i think it's gonna be that would be great i don't think they have a lot of strong choices from this season because even like your hannah ann or madison they are just they're too young i know hannah brown was the same age but like no she was but she had a person she's a person now i mean like so let's just get into the maddie date this is a weird date for me for like so many yeah what's up reasons uh first like she's she seems very sweet and very nice obviously very sweet girl she's clearly lived in a bubble that bubble being like the campus of auburn yeah um this is like it was personal like not personal for me at all but it was a weird watching it you i don't know you've you probably don't know who bruce pearl is the the coach the no the coach of auburn who madison's

dad's worked for him gotta say weird person to uh be a source of uh credibility for your father when it comes to love and marriage uh bruce pearl for those of you don't know is kind of a slimy coach i went to uwm and ran track. My sister played basketball there. He was the head basketball coach at UWM when I was there and I had friends play for him. So like, this is a guy who's like well known for like, he was like sleeping with the statistician while he was married.

And I've seen him at college parties, grounding college students. It was the worst. It was like a really, he's like known, um, like even just NCAA violations for potentially cheating and recruit. It's just a really he's like known um and like even just ncaa violations for potentially cheating and recruit it's just he's that's just a weird person to come out and like talk about like

why you're his dad is a stand and listen i'm sure manis since dad is great i think he it sounds like he's only worked for bruce pearl recently just a weird person to come out and be a character witness for your dad. It's just a really weird person for me. There's a lot of scandal behind Bruce Pearl. He's very charming, very charismatic, and a great basketball coach, but weird. It was like, wow. It was weird to watch.

He must be really special. Where I went to college, it's not a huge athletic department. So like I i said i've seen him at college parties doing weird shit bruce pearl you've seen him do stuff i was i've been at parties where he was at i've what yeah he like went to college parties ew you know this was this is before me too this was 10 years ago like this is damn this is when it was totally normal when adults came. It wasn't normal or okay then because we were like, what the fuck is Bruce Pearl doing?

Yeah, you always know. You're always like, why? It was like pretty well known that he was like. A creep. Sleeping with like a grad assistant statistician while he was married. And then now he's now divorced from that woman. Like it's just like, yeah, not a good character a good character witness i got super distracted by the date um anyways it was hot she was so good at that i tell you what i loved like she seemed really cool she got a ton of

baskets i was like very good at basketball she seems like she seems very sweet. And then we go to the date of her parents. Oh, no. Rochelle has some PTSD from this. Well, my whole worth used to be wrapped up in my virginity. And I was experiencing that again, where it's like, why are your parents involved in your virginity? Oh, that is... It's very... It's hard as a woman woman because you have this fear of if you ever lose it,

then you're no longer worthwhile as a person. Did you notice how every conversation that Madison had with her mom and dad, her parents were like, does Peter know about your decisions? Your decision that you made all on your own and we have had no impact on. We've had no involvement.

Does he know about your decision? And that you're going to keep your decision no matter what? That you're going to keep your decision no matter what? Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty sick. It was hard. And did you notice he said, I'm not sure if I think he's her husband.

Like he was going to make the decision. You know what I mean? The dad. Oh, I mean, he was, you know, I'm very protective.

That's my daughter. Blah, blah, blah. Very traditional. Like, I want one dad to be like, yeah,

get some dick girl. Like that's Peter's dad. Well, it is bizarre. I mean, clearly we're going gonna have this storyline for the rest of the season about like the sex in madison like they've played this out this is what it's going to be i have a question about this do you think there's like a world where there's some

similarities between this point of the season with madison you know committing to her faith and luke p not wanting hannah brown to sleep with any of the other guys and that was like a whole yeah again that was like she's a woman she can do whatever she wants with her body it will be interesting how like america or twitter reacts because it's it was easy to come down on luke p i mean i said this before like luke p gave us a lot of reasons to hate him of course but just the the one this one this is the difference i think luke p gave us a lot of reasons to hate him of course but just the the one this one this is the difference i think luke p was saying you're a bad person if you have sex with other people and madison is saying for this is my boundary but she's but in the preview she's like you can't have

sex with any of these other we don't know what she says but like up into this point madison's been nothing but sweet and nice and drama free and peter i mean luke p sucked no there's no comparisons between the two people um and so but yes you're it'll be interesting how it goes down because i'm curious what she says does she say in a way that is kind of gaslighting peter but it seemed like the girls i mean what can you tell from a preview it's like well i will say i mean well it seems like the girls are like they it's they it seems like in the previews that they have these women live together which is really fucked up and they've never done before i thought they always live together no so where do they live so after where do you guys after home to after right

before hometowns like up into the you know the whole season starts everyone lives together that's where they get a lot of drama you're sick of living with people you're it's just a you're in a cage literally right when you go to hometowns the the idea of the show at this point is all right we fucked with you enough but we do need you to fall in love yeah and so we're going to separate the four remaining people so that now like now the rest of the season is about love you can focus on your relationship you don't have to deal with the other people in the house and while it still seems ridiculous in that world it does help it does help because now you can focus on your relationship you don't have to deal with the other people in the house and while it still seems ridiculous in that world it does help it does help because now you can just now you have now you're alone with a producer who's just it's all you are is talking

about your relationship and so you start obsessing about it even more without the distractions of the people in the house so now they've done this with hometowns for a week and now what they're doing this season it seems based off the preview is reasserting these last three women back into a house where they are living with each other clearly based off the fact that their only logical explanation for victoria f still being there is that peter wants to have sex with her yeah that's we i've discussed this there's just no yeah there's just no justifiable yeah he wants to bang her in the fantasy suite just i because how she didn't even have a hometown does everyone pick one to just like keep for fantasy suites i mean i can't speak for everyone i i only hooked up i only slept with vanessa because i knew i was gonna like i was just like i don't want to i'm not i actually want to try to

give this just to work and i don't want to be like hey guess what i had sex but what if there had been someone that you just were like oh it would have been yours i don't know why i mean listen i'm not saying i yeah i'm not taking some righteous point of view i just i i knew that i really wanted to uh uh try to make it work and so i didn't but yes i mean i can assume that might be a challenge yeah so he wants to maybe she didn't even have a i mean we'll i mean i have you have a lot of things to say yeah let's do it let's do it i mean that was a full like gaslight like she's like from her that's what i said like that was like a preview of like an emotionally abusive relationship that's what i said when you she like mocked him. She was sarcastic. She was like

it was a gaslight. She has no ability whatsoever to respond. No I don't. I don't. No you know what? I don't even want to talk about it. There's nothing to say. I'm actually

disgusted right now. You're gonna just sit there. You're gonna just sit there you're gonna sit there and you're gonna you're gonna say that to me no i can't i can't i'm obsessed have you been practicing that impression no i actually haven't she probably knows a few of those types of girls but i've said this before that was what you know because he's like wait what he was like what it was wild like listen she's like oh what oh yeah what i mean that was sick uh i mean yeah that's not it's it was not favorite moment of this it was not it was not a great reaction i i again i always try to play devil's advocate on this season just because like it's a wild world to be in.

I would love to see you try. No, I'm not going to try. I'm not going to. No, there's no defending how Victoria reacted in that moment. She's clearly not good at handling herself under pressure. That is you being devil's advocate, by the way. That was her not handling herself being good that was her not being good under pressure well she clearly doesn't know how to react well that's that's an

excuse for that this girl is this girl is like oh come on go she's actually what i um imagine every girl i hate but i don't know is like and like prove that they exist. Listen, and I've said this like good or bad, those are my ex girlfriends. And so it's like, I'm almost defending myself on those situations. And when I watch it, like I like- It was triggering, right?

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh God, I've been there. I felt triggered by it too. It was like- it was like uh he was like i have a question like what did this girl mean by that and she's like you're just gonna you know what what's there to say like what's the point i just want you to keep doing what's the point what's there to say i can't uh i don't know she uh so yes peter peter's that's just not let's just not then

peter's ex-girlfriend comes yeah um and uh doesn't like her also here's i hated victoria from the beginning and i'll tell you why besides her overall everything um she goes the first thing she goes to peter she goes i just want you to know i have a really dry sense of humor and peter's like what'd you say and that's the only thing yeah about me and she is oh yeah that's the only thing dry about me yeah is that what she said yeah did she say that yeah okay well that part didn't even bother me and see i totally missed that well i know she didn't write that joke because then the whole rest of the night she was like oh my god can you believe i said that i cannot believe this girl first of all he's like what does that mean dry sense of humor and she's like i don't know either like oops i can't believe it and then she's like the whole time this season she's like i'm not cut out for this peter i'm so insecure like i hate modeling i hate being photos

and then she's like gets the cosmo cover like wins the fashion show like but she doesn't pick that I'm not cut out for this, Peter. I'm so insecure. I hate modeling. I hate being in photos. And then she gets the Cosmo cover, wins the fashion show. But she doesn't pick that. Whatever, Nick. She wins. I know, but you don't think she's insecure? I think the whole thing has been a facade. That might be true. I'm just saying.

She's like, I can't do this. I can't do this. I'm not supposed to be here. And then she's like. Every girl I've ever dated who was like that was wildly insecure okay that's but that's a deeper conversation where it's like do the people who have the most confidence really are they the most insecure i don't know like maybe not honestly but maybe okay that's not how my you know insecurity displays sure well people do that all differently but yeah sure you know we're all no you're right i said that i said that in the early when she won

the fashion show i was like i don't believe for i said that at first like i don't believe for a second that you are not used to this environment my point was that this whole time she's been like i'm insecure and like i'm scared and like hide me like hide between under my hair and then for her hometown date after she's at that huge concert in that other date where she like totally thrives and is like in front of a hundred thousand like people with phones i agree and then she makes this other date which is another concert with everyone their phones are just like dancing in front of everyone and you're like the most shy oh yes around guys i don't think she's very insecure she's but she's around tons of people no i think around women you think she's insecure around women i think she can i mean i don't i don't know who did when she

went into the hotel room also with alayah that was just like beyond i again i'm based this off of like people i look the women I've dated who had similar personalities that acted that way. Sorry, yeah. Yeah. Around other women, they were very, especially with women they thought were like relatable, like competition.

Okay. I have a question. You know, the ex that showed up, do the Bachelor producers find her or does she reach out to them or does she just show up and they don't even know she's there? It's, I mean, it's,

my, to my knowledge, I think these people reach out to the show. I mean, the producers are producing a show. How do they reach out? It's not that hard. They reach out, they have friends of friends. She's like, you're gonna come to my family's house that's so good and you're gonna ask me a question i can't i can't

so good uh but anyway so it was bizarre though then he leaves they don't have a hometown which he should did that make sense to you guys too like does that is confusing because they didn't well he didn't say it like he just got in a car he was like okay well bye i mean she was They don't have a hometown. Which he should have. Did that make sense to you guys too? Like, does that is confusing? Well, he didn't say it. Like he just got in a car. He was like, okay, well,

bye. I mean, she was acting truly crazy. No, I know, but it's saying I didn't, what I'm saying is I didn't get what was even going on. She wasn't willing to even talk about it or acknowledge what he said or anything.

So there was no way to move forward. If she had said like, listen, there's some rumors going on. Here's what really happened or she said i did it i'm really sorry anything and it would have been fine anything she could have been like i i don't know what she's talking about and that'd be it yeah or she could be like yeah i broke up a relationship once peter was going in just being like hey i

just want to talk about it yeah and then so i was thinking i think if the conversation had gone anywhere he would have gone in maybe but But since she just shut him down. Yeah, she could have. That was the worst possible way anyone could have handled. I was more confused what I'm saying by the way the show showed it. It didn't. I mean, it made sense because clearly she knocks on his door, but it didn't even seem like he was sending her home.

He just was like, I'm going to get in a car. Yeah. And he didn't say it was weird. Which in retrospect was actually probably the right thing to and he didn't say it was which in retrospect was actually probably the right thing to do right he was not in i mean i there's a lot of things i have i get used to because i've seen so much of this but like yeah so then she comes he's like i'm not ready to make a decision and then he keeps her it makes no sense why he kept her she's giving him no reason because she's manipulative and he's too he's not but even

still you would think he was just like if peter is there to find a few there's how could he get engaged to her with the information that he has i mean i i i don't know i i really don't know it feels like he has a little bit of empathy for her. Like he can see she's a little bit like, not broken is the wrong word, but he like almost wants to fix her. We've all been there. Like I said, we've all dated people where, I mean, again, we're watching this under this microscope and we're watching it

and we get to see things in this bubble. And we've all, in defense of Peter, we've all dated people who are our friends and our family and our siblings. We're just like, what are you doing dating this person? What's going on? And we've all, in defense of Peter, we've all dated people who are our friends and our family and our siblings. We're just like, what are you doing dating this person? What's going on? And we've defended them. And like, so yeah.

And like lots of times this is, I don't know why we do it. We, I don't know. Maybe we just want to have sex with them. Maybe it's a physical attraction. Maybe it is a fixer mentality. We've all been there. It's what I'm saying. In this world, it's even more, it's almost everythinger mentality we've all been there sure uh it's what i'm saying in

this world it's even more but it's almost counter everything peter's at least been consistent with like i want this i want that i want a crier yeah except for this where it's just like how do you how can you like she's basically said i'm not ready i don't i'm not like i don't want to and like but i do want to and then i can't and then he's like i'm gonna say kelsey's the only person i actually believe yeah is like really sure she is ready to settle down with peter yeah and that's the one person he's for sure but that's the that's that describes the season right yes i mean victoria f and then he's like i really appreciated the way he handled that situation and i but when she came back yeah i think he was really good in that argument he didn't he was like have you ever

fought for anything he was really just like fight for me like please like love me like again he's like have you ever fought for anything like that you loved you yeah yeah i have and he's like but you have you don't fight for this it's so good you're not fighting for me like that you love yeah yeah i have and he's like but you have you don't fight for this it's so good you're not fighting for me like you're not fighting for me and she's like no and then and he's like you disagree like you don't think i disagree i disagree yeah i disagree yeah oh i have it oh i have it that's funny that's funny i listened to it on the car on the way here again i was like oh my god uh and yeah and he he freaking keeps her i was like that's a bummer i that one's hard that that one i couldn't figure out because

at that point of the season you know we always i always get questions does producer make you keep someone you know uh why why do they do that yeah by that point in the season it really up is up to the lead it's like they they want to have love happen yeah so i just i can't imagine a situation unless peter's just like i know what i'm gonna do these are my top two i didn't know what do you what do you think is gonna happen at the end i didn't ask i'm really torn between manis and hannah ann at this point but you think he'll just you don't think there's gonna be drama oh there's totally drama the fact that they're making these women live together in this house i think is i mean honestly i'm i'm shocked to have seen that and it goes against the grain of the show and everything that producers have done interesting i think it's i don't i can't say i'm a fan of it i think it's

setting peter up for failure yeah um i think it's only going to bring it's only going to make the season even more sloppy towards the end where if the hope was okay fine we've had our drama um and let's have a little bit more romance i think it's setting uh if peter ends up with any of these women it's setting up that relationship up for failure it's just it it's it's gonna make it really sloppy it is in no way to peter's benefit it's at all it's but it's for the show it's for the show's benefit so if this show ends in a dramatic fashion uh like it seems like it does i think this fact that they're doing that and having the women live together and talk about

like what's happening the fantasy suite is i mean like it's set up for failure it's completely set up for failure totally um and should set up for failure. Totally. And should be fun to watch. Yeah, really looking forward to it. Are you like the Madison, Luke P comparisons? Yeah. Do you want to see the opposing point of view from a woman's side? I would like to see if people react similarly. Yeah.

Peter has a body. Peter can do whatever he wants with that body. Those would be the same things you would say For this situation It is interesting I can't imagine anyone does that For him I feel like people are going to stand Madison

I don't know The religion thing coming in to play Is heavy Yeah I don't know who to side with do i side with god no with the righteous what's weird though is it's like he we all know peter has sex the windmill yeah so it's i know yeah so he's already done it so like what do you want from the guy yeah like if he in that world also none of them want him to have sex with the other. Like Madison, it's not just you,

just because you're saving yourself for marriage. Like you think Hannah Ann wants him to have sex with Victoria? No. Probably not. No one wants their boyfriend to have sex with another girl. Right. You know, it is bizarre though, because Hannah. She's like, no, but me really the most.

The episode ends with Hannah, with Madison right after the rose ceremony going to Peter. And that's that's smart i mean they must have given her because here's the thing is right after that rose ceremony well in a normal situation now we know that to be different because they live together is that she wouldn't have a chance to talk to peter before her fantasy sweet date which means she doesn't know if she's first second or third which means that like oh so she had wow that was her last chance to be like... Oh, so she had to get it. That was her last chance to be like, if you do this, I need to let you know where I stand.

She waited for the buzzer, man. Yeah, so because it might have been too late. So she's not going to talk to him. There's almost certainty, not that she would know this, but she's definitely going to be the last fantasy suite date, without question. Oh my God. You got to give Peter an opportunity

to like go against what she's told him not to do and and tempt him with the victoria i mean we can only assume does anyone ever use reverse psychology for these bachelor producers so if madison was like i don't think they're madison was like i want to like f immediately in a windmill then she would have gone first that's what colton tried to game the system by pretending that didn't work it didn't work but F immediately in a windmill then she would have gone first and she would have been like what do you mean Colton did yeah that's what Colton tried to game

the system by pretending yeah that didn't work it didn't work but he tried to tell them he lied to the producers about who his favorites were yeah

so then and thinking that it would help him did it help him no well it ended up being fine but it almost completely backfired

because they weren't trying to protect the relationship with Kelsey and they just kind of like let her dad come and they let her like leave on her just kind of let her dad come, and they let her leave on her own, and it almost literally blew up in her face.

Okay, so you could say that everything that happened in Colton's season was also a product of him kind of fucking with the system. Yeah, I think. The end a little bit, but Colton got really lucky how it all played out. So lucky. So lucky. So lucky. Yeah. Yeah. out so lucky so lucky so lucky um yeah yeah it uh that almost he had some good he actually had some good smart girls on his yeah he had a great cast yeah it's just that it's just it's just

gotten that much younger and it's just yeah it's the the this episode is weird for the from a puppy doll it's just it's again kelsey was the only i never thought i would believe that kelsey was the only one ready for marriage in this yeah it's pretty pretty i don't know that's the only who would have thought that was my takeaway madison's definitely ready for marriage i think she thinks she's ready i think she's probably like eight years away yeah probably eight years away eight more years no sex she's literally gone from like walking from her house to basketball practice to going on the p the bachelor yeah you're 100 right like she i mean she seems very sweet and her family seems sweet but it's

just like they're yeah i don't know anyways uh cassie thanks for coming thank you for having a lot of fun sorry i have really bad ad it was really distracted by the screen uh i know you got stuff to plug your people what should they watch no doing things i don't i don't i'm not a plugger not a plug can i well she has a really great article i'm not mentioned uh out there about um going cold turkey with smartphones which i thought was really fascinating and i was reading it while at a time my phone gave me the uh update that i spent eight hours a day on my phone yikes eight nick yeah the screen time is a it's a nightmare yeah anyways you you are very insightful you have a lot of great opinions about dating and

relationships that are very relatable so So you should check her out. 86th is her web series that you created. You wrote, you wrote, you did the whole thing. Yeah. You did the whole thing. It's really smart and it's really funny.

I made something. You're very, you're very humble. Anyways, I really appreciate you coming. It's been a lot of fun. Thank you so much fun. Can you sign off as Victoria F? I just don't, I just don't get this. I just don't, you know what? I can't. It's been a lot of fun. Thank you so much fun. Can you sign off as Victoria F?

I just don't get this. I just don't, you know what? I can't. I can't.