The Viall Files - E950 - Love Island USA w/ Belle-A, The Valley, Bachelor in Paradise Cast, Brit Eady’s Lawsuit & Next Gen NYC

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Love Island USA is heating up and we here at the Viall Files are burnin’ up with excitement to welcome Belle-A to the show! We ask all the hard hitting questions: How do you feel about Nic? About Ciara? Who’s the hottest person in the villa? And most importantly… what is your real name? All answered. Meanwhile, we get into the newest episode of The Valley and figure out how we could make it better, Next Gen NYC, Bachelor in Paradise cast reveals and more! Enjoy! “OHHH YA’LL WANT SOME TEA???” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Shopify - Sign up for your $1/month trial and start selling today at https://shopify.com/viall Cozey - Transform your living space today with Cozey. Visit https://cozey.com, the home of possibilities, made easy.  Rocket Money - Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Download the Rocket Money app and enter show name “The Viall Files” in the survey so they know we sent you! True Classic - True Classic is built for comfort, built to last, and built to give back. You can grab them at Target, Costco, or head to https://trueclassic.com/viall and get hooked up today GoPure - For a limited time, our listeners get 25% off goPure with code VIALL at checkout. Just head to https://gopurebeauty.com, use code VIALL, and you’re all set.   FIGS - If you work in healthcare, or love someone who does, FIGS are a must-have. Hands down. Go to https://wearFIGS.com and use code FIGSRX for 15% off your first order. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (07:40) - Household Headlines (28:41) - Belle-A Interview (56:07) - Love Island Recap (01:14:47) - The Valley (01:36:43) - RHOBH (01:38:48) - Next Gen NYC (01:39:54) - Beyond The Villa Trailer (01:49:22) - RHOA (01:55:25) - Bachelor In Paradise Cast (02:00:16) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @perksofisabelle @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell  

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I'm your host Nick and boy do we have a jam packed episode for you today. The iconic Belle Dasha joins the Vile Files. Bella from Love Island. However you refer to her, she is with us today fresh off of her a premature exit on a love island She she came serving she came in hot and she gave us some some a lot of juicy BTS Well tea and excited for you all to hear that will be breaking down the past few episodes of love island as well Like ace I don't know man. I'm I'm a little nervous for Shelley is to to I don't know I think they might be I think they might be in cahoots. I don't know man. I'm a little nervous for Shelly as to, I don't know, I think they might be.

Not a fan. I think they might be in cahoots, I don't know. We got, what do we got? We got some Valley Talk. Bachelor in Paradise new company. Bachelor in Paradise released their very unimpressive cast. So yeah, just no star power. I mean, they were like, our star, Dale Moss.

And it was like, really? I realized they haven't announced this person, but this person will be entering their villa, so to speak. I'm assuming early, who I think is the biggest star of their cast. And I don't know why, I mean, already a huge miss by the producers by not putting this person in the OG cast.

Because it's lacking star power. You know, like Andrew and Justin are their biggest stars in the OG cast because it's lacking star power. You know, like, Andrew and Justin are their biggest stars and they're from several seasons ago and that's not how they should be doing it. Well, we'll watch it. We certainly, we're rooting for them. But I have my concerns.

We shall see. Many of you have already listened to the Sherry Papini episode that dropped yesterday. It is certainly a doozy. Check it out if you haven't. If you are a true crime junkie, you certainly know what we're talking about. And if you dabble in true crime,

it's certainly an episode you will not want to miss. A complicated, messy character. I, you know, it was... I have to say, I do have to give us props because it's- My pad is on the back there. Literally, because it's like, it's hard to interview someone from... Like, I give props to a bunch of like, journalist, you know, like news anchors, like people who interview people without having any sort of opinion,

you know, trying to like be as unbiased as possible. And I think we... Having an opinion, but trying to go in to not show that opinion. Yeah. Yeah, I'm grateful for our opportunity to obviously have this show for a lot of different reasons and our ability to interview fascinating and even sometimes controversial people

to see if there's more to the story. And being able to storytell on this show is something I think we enjoy the most, but she is certainly a complicated character. It is definitely a weird vibe in the room, I'll say that much, interviewing her. I think she felt my... Nick's always bad cop, I'm always good cop.

I don't know if you were a good cop, but you definitely were offering more opportunity for Grace than I was. I just, when she started bringing up all the people in the neighborhood, like, I, it just. You gotta listen to it. It's out. Go listen. Leah, have you ever left Louie?

For like a weekend? Gone on a trip? Like a trip, yeah. Like has he ever been to home with Danny? Like on a park bench, you know? Just like in a hotel room and said, peace? No, no, I haven't. You haven't. Well, we obviously like don't,

we go on, you know, vacations, just Nick and I very, you know, not often, but we're back in Vancouver, clearly, for work. And we are coming back for only two days. And so we're like, mom, River, you just stay at the house. Like, we don't need to bring all of you out here. And last night, we sleep with the Nanette on, obviously, like listening to River in her room. And I wake up, she's screaming, crying, and I'm like, oh my God, oh my God. My mom comes in, my mom gets her,

she like takes her out of the room, I guess, like into her room because she was like scared I was gonna hear it. And then I can hear it far enough in the back. And then she comes back into River's room. She starts rocking her. And I'm through the Nanit being like, shh, shh. Like trying to calm her down through the monitor.

And it's just, it's like, I think it's getting hard. It's tough. It's getting hard, it's tough. Shout out Nanit though, you know, helping us stay connected to our daughter. This morning, cause I'm the one who usually wakes up and gets River out of bed, this morning I woke up to hearing River saying, da da, like calling me, like da da, like I'm ready to get up.

And I was just like, broke my heart. I couldn't go get up and get her. It's like my favorite part of the day, waking up and greeting my daughter. I do have a question actually. So when you talk to your babies over like the camera or the Nanit, does that scare them? Cause I've seen the videos where babies think it's like

a ghost or like, like a demon or someone talking to them. I don't think she knows what a ghost and or demon is. Thankfully she does like look up at the monitor and I'm sure she is very confused I think it more so scares like my mom like whoever's with her my We told that story where I thought literally someone had hacked into our baby camera and I had unplugged everything and like ran out Of the room saw me. I definitely was definitely like going

Mike can refuse her. It was his neck going, hello. I was like, I'm out. But you know, like River, she's definitely not an iPad baby, but like she is a FaceTime baby. You know, we FaceTime my parents often, Nellie FaceTimes Chambliss or her mom when she's out of town. So, you know, and obviously the few times

we have left River with Nellie's mom, we will FaceTime her a lot. So she certainly is comfortable with like understanding, you know, we're behind the screen or talking on the phone. River loves to pretend she's taking a phone calls with big phones. Anything that she can find remote, anything is, hello, up to her ear and hello.

She's a genius. It's really cute. Which brings us to Olivia Munn doesn't let her kids watch Miss Rachel. She said, I know kids love Miss Rachel, but the thing is if I can't watch it, I'm not going to spend the rest of my life going crazy. These kids shows drive me crazy.

Which honestly is so valid. Like if you're gonna have to sit in the room and like fold laundry and have it on the TV, like if you can't stand it, then like, yeah, sorry. Really? I don't, I mean, listen, funny anecdote, but like how serious is this take? Is it like, if anything she doesn't enjoy it? Because like we-

I think Olivia is just saying that it's a little annoying. So it's like, colors, yellow, orange. And like, I'm good. So is all of River's like little toys and music that you buy her and she presses and it drives us crazy. Like we take her. That plays for like 10 seconds. This is a 45 minute episode.

Welcome to our learning barn. We have lots to show you. Yeah. No? I mean. Her quote though saying that her son asked for Blue's Clues recently and she says, I don't know who showed him Blue's Clues

but they are on my shit list now. I said, hell no, not in my house. What is she showing them? Oh, Bruce has raised me. There's so many kid shows out there. They're all annoying. She said, I put on Tom Holland's Spider-Man Homecoming and I was like, if you wanna watch the real life ones,

then we can watch that. It might be a little too old for him, but I can't take the cartoons. Honestly, valid. Bring back Barney. I can't wait to re-watch SpongeBob, you guys. Oh, that'll be fun, yeah. You can. A lot of kids weren't allowed. I watch it's not valid. Bring back Barney. I can't wait to re-watch SpongeBob, you guys. Oh, that'll be fun, yeah. You can.

A lot of kids weren't allowed. I watch it all the time. Wait, my nieces are not allowed to watch SpongeBob. Is that, has it like? I wasn't allowed to. Really? I hate a not allowed to watch SpongeBob kid. Your family wasn't either, right?

I wouldn't have been allowed to watch SpongeBob, but we didn't even have cable, so that wasn't even an option. But my parents were definitely anti those shows. I mean, a lot of those shows are embedded with adult humor and like, I definitely don't want River watching shows that have kids talk about,

so many of the Nickelodeon Disney shows, parents are stupid and kids are smart, and I'm not down for that. Disney teaches their kids not to respect like your elders. Or it's like mischievous kids, like always like making messes or like doing crazy experiments. And it's like, can you just go outside and play with rocks? I mean, I watched all those shows. I turned out fine. Have you like started, Louie, on any on any like screen time or movies or like,

have you introduced any of that to him yet? No, none of that yet. But but definitely a lot of FaceTime. He loves FaceTiming. Like the second my mom gets on there, he laughs hysterically. He finds it so funny. I have every single Barney DVD and I will happily let you. I do not have a DVD player. Literally, what the hell? Definitely do not have a DVD player.

Look, I'll bring you a DVD player. You don't love physical media. Do not have a cassette player. I've been'll bring you a DVD player. Do not have a cassette player, have been offered those. Where are these DVDs, Justin? I was obsessed with Barney growing up and I think Barney taught me a lot. I had a personalized Barney VHS tape. Like that was like, it's like said my birthday. And by personalized, like the actor who plays Barney.

You familiar with his content? It was like, you can like, it was like you could put, or maybe it with his content? It was like you can like, it was like you could put, or maybe it was Dora. It was like Dora or something where it's like. The DVD itself? It was a VHS, it wasn't even a DVD. And it was like, I think it was like,

you can probably order it online or something. I had a birthday one too and he sings Happy Birthday to you. That's probably worth a lot of money nowadays. I bet you could get on eBay. That's like a cameo, OG cameo. It was a cameo, yeah. OG cameo.

So what is this Gypsy Rose headline? Is she doing something wrong? Is the salon trolling her? So I kind of went down like a rabbit hole because basically, so Gypsy Rose was just doing a teddy bear brawn trend. She was dying her hair, so she went to a hair store to buy the stuff, but she didn't know that the store was for estheticians only. So you needed a license to shop there. But the person that was like working that shift or whatever,

let her still buy the stuff. So she posted it, like bought the products, here's everything. Then the company came out and responded being like, uh, we proudly support licensed beauty pros in the professional beauty industry, though we are in the initial stages of our investigation. We found recently that a celebrity was able to shop in one of our B2B stores. Please know we are conducting a thorough investigation and will put appropriate measures in place

to ensure it does not happen again. Oh my God. And then she had to respond to the comment being like, I apologize, I didn't know, I was unaware. The lady like let me know and let me just complete my purchase, but like noted. And like now people speculate the person was fired. So it's like, it's just a random like-

What? Why are they being so like intense about it? We're conducting a thorough investigation. It's like, I don't know, maybe have a key code scan in to get in the front door. Right. Yeah, they take themselves very seriously. Yeah, like most beauty supply places,

it's like they get a discount for being- They do. A salon owner or like an esthetician, but I'm like, they usually charge people just like the normal price. They don't though, so specific stores, because I have my contact. You get the products for so much cheaper,

but it's supposed to benefit people that have salons. That's what I'm saying, she should have had it to give a number. It's giving wedding industry where they pretend that they can do something that no one else can do, and they keep it insulated, and keep it insulated and have all these rules to like- These are our rules.

Yeah, just because like this is how it is, you know, I can't possibly do that, so. Anyways, did you see this- Free Gypsy Rose. Did you see Sarah Jessica Parker and like how she interacts with fans? I did not. Have you seen this?

No. Oh my goodness. So this woman like came up to her and just said like, can I take a photo of you? Of you? Or with you? There's a huge difference. This says can I take your picture? See that's weird. Like some when people walk up every blue moon and someone says can I take a picture with you? No problem. Let's do a selfie together. I'm in the photo. Someone's standing there and just like, no no I'm can I take a picture with you? No problem, let's do a selfie together, I'm in the photo. Someone standing there and just like, no, no, I'm just gonna take a picture of you, is very weird.

Very weird, I agree. And I'm like, no, why don't you get in it? I feel like it's usually, because maybe they'd feel like they don't look very good, so they're like, I don't know. But of you and with you are two different things. So Sarah Jessica Parker explains why she turns down the fan selfie.

She said, here's what I've been trying to do because I was just at the airport on Friday. A woman came up to me and she didn't say hello. She just said, can I take your picture? And I said, we didn't even meet. You didn't even introduce yourself. What's your name? After learning the fan's name, Parker then suggested that the two have a conversation rather than taking a photo.

I guarantee you it's going to be so much more meaningful. But no one's going to believe her. That's the only issue. Get over yourself. She's going to go home. She's going to listen to the conversation. I have a Sarah Jessica Parker and they're going to be like, proof? She'd be like, well, yeah, she told me this was more meaningful. I don't have proof, but she did. She thankfully finds this article and is like, see proof.

Literally, Literally. She's kicking her feet jumping up and down. She's so excited for this article. I'm not a liar. This article is better than a photo. It is. Because she remembered her. Sarah, people get nervous when they meet you.

I'm sorry if they didn't introduce themselves. You know, like give them... I'm sorry you didn't even introduce yourself. Like, okay, thanks for the lecture on etiquette. Literally. Jesus. I agree with her, though. I agree with her, but I'm also kind of like for someone

who doesn't see like famous people a lot or anything, like the muster up the courage to be able to go ask for a photo. Versus in LA, I'm just like, love your content. It is all predicated on the idea that they don't like photos taken of them if they're not in full glam and have their basically face costume on. I don't think Sarah Jessica Parker is like that. I think it's probably more... Then why wouldn't she take a selfie?

Because I think she's getting into this stage of life, I feel like, where you've seen her on red carpets where people want to be like, oh, did you see Jenna Ortega wearing the dress from, and she's like, do you wanna ask me about something else? Like, I think she's getting to the point in life where she's just kind of like over maybe the sex in the city-ness of it all. I don't know, that's kind of what it's giving.

I think she's over the drama. I mean, she's in and just like that. But that's not sex in the city. I mean, like, I don't know, it's giving, it's giving like, I mean, listen, I don't know, like part of being famous is having fans. Like, and, you know, I don't know. It takes two seconds to take a selfie. It took her more energy to lecture this fan.

Yeah. I bet you this fan will never go up to another celebrity ever again. Or like, what if she goes up to them now and go and be like, hi, my name is, and I work for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next time she goes up, like, do you just want a picture, bro?

Like, I don't want to have a whole conversation with you. I'm in a rush. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next time she does this, she's gonna get the exact opposite lecture. It's gonna be like, listen, I'll take a picture with you. I don't need your whole life story. I have to make my flight.

Could you imagine? She's like, no, Sarah Jessica Parker taught me to do it like this. And it starts like a five-year-old celebrity. Oh yeah, we should train celebrities. Where's your proof shows US Weekly have been? Oh my God, that's crazy. I mean, when people come up to us, no one introduces themselves ever.

And I'm always just like, oh, what's your name? Because like, again, they're nervous. They don't know what to say. Did you see Demi from Mormon Wives spoke out and said why she didn't attend the reunion? I did see that. Yeah, what are your thoughts on that? She said that she was invited,

but that it was short notice and the only day they could get the location secured was the day that her and her entire family were going to Disneyland. Yeah, I mean, I do know people in production have mixed feelings about this. Like I said before, Demi is, in a way, very much a part of the reunion,

and you will have the opportunity to hear from Demi herself, in a way. In a way. In a way. Yeah, I mean, listen, like, all of these, all of the women of the cast were gifted this opportunity to take their family to Disney, and they had the opportunity to pick

whatever date they wanted. Now when did me pick the date versus when the reunion was scheduled, I don't know. Obviously taking her word for it. Disneyland like offered them all to come? Well Hulu, you know, ABC Disney, it's part of the family. I think all of these women were given the opportunity to go and have a Disney experience with their family,

all of them, and they could just pick a date. They could go whenever they wanted. This happened to be the date. They were all posting at Disney, so. Yeah. This happened to be the date that Demi picked. I think many of her cast feel that it was not as random as Demi suggested, but I guess that's more.

I mean, how far in advance did she know the date of the filming reunion? I don't know. That's, I don't know. So she took the free Disneyland trip. She said we had already booked all of our flights and the Airbnb was non-refundable, and if we know anything about that, that's true.

Or I would have moved the trip to be there. I tried to have production move it to another day and they couldn't swing it. I don't think anyone in the cast feels like Demi was upset about not being there. But. Got it. It was a good excuse is what you're saying.

Yeah, but there's no proof to suggest that her story is untrue. But you will wanna watch me and I promise you that. And Demi is very much addressed. Did they offer you guys Disneyland tickets since you're the host? No, actually, what the fuck? What happened with that?

I said, don't offer, please. Nick was like, actually, I'm allergic. Sierra and I and Justin will take River. I'll go. Absolutely. Many of you know we've been in Whistler a little bit recently, and every restaurant in Whistler when you show up Will ask you if you have any allergies every single like you get it. You know, can I have a table for two?

Do you have any food allergies? No, and then I asked for no sauce on my burger and it came with sauce and I was like Oh, there's sauce on here. Can you take it back? And she kind of looked at me and I was like, I'm allergic And I was like, oh, there's sauce on here. Can you take it back? And she kind of looked at me and I was like, I'm allergic. And I was like, oh shit. Why didn't you? I got caught in a lie. I got caught in a lie. Don't they do that here too though?

Not like in Whistler. Every single restaurant, it was like part of like. They definitely should be doing that everywhere. Yeah, I like that. I like they get ahead of it. It's like, do you have any allergies? Do you not like anything? Do you like-

Do you want a different server? Are you not a fan of me? Do you hate my outfit? Tell me everything upfront so that we don't have to deal with this later. Surface is really nice and what Slayer will say. Cause when I was like hunting down wifi, like I was asking them some outrageous questions.

I was like, is the room facing the North sky with no clouds? Oh my God. And they would look at me like, um, you sound crazy, but I'll check. Yeah, like, let me find out for you. I'm going to go up to the room really quick. Can you guys just like off the top of your head,

point North? Straight in front of me is what I always think. No, like, can you just like point North? I can. Point North, Nick, right now. Do you know where North is? Of course, of course. Right now, point North. When you're in a room in a city you're not familiar with? I can. Point north, Nick. Right now, point north. Do you know where north is? Of course, of course.

When you're in a room in a city you're not familiar with? Try it. Point north, right now. I couldn't possibly. I'm literally pointing north. I always think it's right in front of me, which I know is definitely wrong. No, it's not.

Well, I think about where the, I think that's west. I know, so I'm like, well, if I'm facing this way, north, that's south. It's hockey worms, yeah. But ironically though, north is right in front of me. Period. North is right there, North. That's south. It's hoggy worms, yeah. But ironically though, North is right in front of me. Period. North is right there, yes. The Boy Scout knew.

Well, I always just think about where the ocean is, but if I was somewhere without an ocean. And where I grew up, I could always, I knew the directions for sure. They don't teach that in school. Like how to read a compass. I don't think I was ever taught that. Well, I grew up next to the Great Lakes

and the Great Lakes were always east of us. So I always knew where the lake was relative to where I was. And so from there, I knew my north, south, south, east and west. Yeah, to Leia's point, if you live near a large body of water and you know what direction that body of water is from you, then it's pretty easy. Or a landmark, maybe a mountain you know I'm so bad at uh directions geography I

always call it the wrong one I'm always bad I always I'm really bad at geology so I'm so bad at geography fuck I tell Which one is it? I tell people that I'm like, I have a way with GPS that I have to use GPS at least three to five times to be able to get someplace to get there without with like off memory. Also this is the thing too, that people use their GPS and they either like press, they'll enter in the directions and they might press go to get the voice to tell them or they just look at it and then they keep it on like the map. I keep it on the map. I keep it on the map too, I don't press go.

I don't wanna hear her. At my last job, I worked there for over a year and to the day I stopped working there, I used my GPS to get there. That's why. Do you wanna know my biggest pet peeve about Nick? And I think it's taken over. Yes.

Your biggest? It's taken over all the rest of it. Oh! Yeah. Let's hear it. Wait, this is number one. This is number one, it's moved its way up. Is it a Nick? It's climbed its way up. Is it an Nick? It's an over all the rest of us. Yeah. Let's hear. This is number one. This is number one. It's moved its way up. It's climbed its way up.

Is it an egg? It's an egg. It's an egg. Wait, wait, can I guess? It pisses me off. What is it? It bulls my blood. Yeah, go.

What do you think it is? Should we all guess? Literally, everyone guess. Oh, God. I don't wanna out myself. Okay, Leah, what do you think it is? Oh my God. I'm not playing this game.

What do you think it is, Lea? I know it's not the cabinets. Yeah, we've moved on from the cabinets. I've gotten so used to the fridge being open and the microwave being open that it doesn't even phase me. I'm guessing it has something to do with directions. Yes, it floats him flying up in his seat over the speed bump. and the microwave being open that it doesn't even phase me. It talks floating in the sea. Yes, it floats him flying up in his seat over the speed bump. I need to know what it is. Okay, drum roll.

Is it like bouncing? Bouncing walls? No, no, no. He does not press the button on the trunk to go to like, eh, for it to shut. He tries to forcefully open and shut the trunk. And I'm like, there's a button. Oh, I do that too.

Just press the button. I do that too. He can't, he never will, he never has, it doesn't, he's, we're breaking the trunk every single time. It's like a James Bond card, it's like hard to find, it's like, you know, they want it to be aesthetically pleasing, I don't know what this fucking thing is. It like cracks and creaks every time he's trying to jam it shut.

I'm like, if you just pressed the button that said close, it will close off itself. It's my toxic masculinity. It really takes over. I need to like... Yeah, you got to hulk it open. Yeah. Anyways, so yeah. I do the same, Nick.

You do, Justin? Well, because I'm used to having an old car. So every time I touch someone else's car, I'm like pulling it down, but it's fighting me. Yeah. And then I give up. I give up. But I'm like, oh, didn't get the memo.

K'Nag doesn't give up. That's the difference. All right. Well, it's time to get into some love island starting with your first to leave the island, Belldasha joins us for some hot burning tea. She was very delightful. I didn't know what to expect, but she was a ton of fun. I'm excited for you guys to listen and hear this conversation.

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and get hooked up today. Faldasha! Welcome to the F Vile Files. We're so excited to have you. So excited, thank you for joining us. Hi, thank you so much for having me. Like, are you down for the Beldasha name? Do you know that people are calling you that? Like, it's kind of an iconic nickname.

Honestly, I feel like my name has been morphing as an adult and I'm so here for it. I love nicknames and I love Belldasha. I feel like it's very elegant and very classy. So yeah, I'm here for it. Did you ever expect that to come out of your name going on the show? For sure. No, for sure. Like some people have called me like B-dash before too.

So I was like, you know, Belldash, B-dash. Like there's lots of different names for me. Okay. Okay. Have you always had the dash in your name? Yes. So, whoa, well, kind of. Sometimes like people will just type Bella, like B-e-l-l-a.

And like that works too, you know? But if we're trying to be proper about it, then it's with a dash, and only with a dash. Gotta put some respect on that dash. All right, you heard it here first. It's with a dash, it's always been a dash. Well, Belle Dash, again, we're so excited to have you. I gotta say, sad to see you go.

You and me both. I thought it was, you know, as far as like first eliminations, like sometimes, you know, even last season, as popular last season was, I don't remember who was first eliminated. It's like there's such a long season, but like you really made your mark.

I felt like you were a star in the making. You were wildly talked about. You got a ton of screen time, and then all of a sudden, po making, you were wildly talked about, you got a ton of screen time, and then all of a sudden, poof, you're gone. So sad to see you go, but at least congrats on like, in your limited time making such an impact on the show. Thank you so much. And I will say that that's definitely not how I was feeling through this whole process. I felt like I was very small and like my voice was very silenced and I wasn't feeling seen.

And I think like it really did take a minute for me to finally break out of my shell. And I felt like people got to see my boundaries, but people didn't get to see my character. And there's so much more to me than just my boundaries. You know? Okay, well, no doubt, no doubt. And that's why we're excited for you to join with us.

We're hoping to get to know you a little bit better. I think there was a little surprise early on when you swerved for the first kiss, and you're like, I don't kiss on the first date. And we were like, do you know what show you signed up for, Beldasha? But in all seriousness, like, how long were you planning on kissing someone?

Like, given just like these, the games and the contests, there seemed to be like full on makeouts, you know, they really pushed those limits pretty quickly. So like, what was your plan going in if you had a plan at all and what changed that? Um, so I've always had this rule like no kissing on the first date and to be honest I didn't know what I was going to do until it really came down to it on the first day. I Have imagined because it is Love Island and I know that's what I signed up for I knew that there was a big possibility that that would arise

and I just knew that I wanted to stay true to who I am and the boundaries that I've set, not just on the outside world but even in this unfamiliar environment, I knew that I still had to be who I am in there too. So yeah, I definitely knew that I was gonna face that. But on the first day was a little wild. And honestly, I think it was a really great opportunity to like, lay it down, like, hey, this is who I am. This is what I'm about. Maybe they don't understand it in that moment. But hey, like, come find out why. I think it also made that challenge like that more fun because it was like, whoa, here she is. I think what my fellow islanders was like, oh, is this prom? I'm like, that does feel a little bit like prom right now.

Yeah, who I know it was like a quick, I'm sure it was all like a blink of an eye, but in the limited time of the men that you kissed, who was the best kisser? Oh, I'm going to be so honest and say that I completely blanked out during the challenge. And one thing like people don't see is there's like popcorn in my mouth. I was just being like exchanged between guy to guy. Then we were all like slimy and gross, sticky. And there was a lot of adrenaline. I was obviously very nervous

because it was the first time I was gonna be kissing these guys. And I was like, oh, this is kind of a unique situation. I would never in the outside world kiss four guys in one day. So I definitely stepped out of my comfort zone for that one. Hell yeah.

Where is your accent from? I must know. Yes. Oh, um, I don't, I don't think I have one, but I will say I am first generation American. My mom was born in the Philippines and I have spent a lot of my time in my adult life around, um, like native Hawaiians. So I feel like maybe it's just like bits and pieces from like Philippines, Hawaii, and then like just the slang of Oregonians and

the slang of maybe online. I don't know. I think like when I'm around my local friends in Hawaii, like it comes out a lot thicker. But then when I'm around other people who maybe don't have as thick of an accent, then I feel like I revert to like no accent. I don't know. Yeah, I'm the same way. I'm from the South. And when I talk to people not from the South,

I have this voice. And then when I'm back home, I am very, very Southern. So I totally understand. Did you in the moment of the elimination, how that whole process went where Nick took you up to soul ties, he asked you to like run back forth base, and then he's there giving that speech. And he's like, when we shared that moment,

and then he pauses, like, did any of that looking back, did you feel manipulated at any moment? Oh, 100%. Yes. I will preface this by saying that there is no love lost, and I will never drag Nick for what he did, but he absolutely did make it seem like he might've picked me that night.

And also what the viewers haven't really seen is like the conversations that were shown between Nick and I were the most basic of like surface level conversations. We had deeper conversations. We had a deeper connection. And you know, he did have a solid connection between Sierra and I. And I don't blame him being stuck in between two tens Like this is not a real-world problem for Nick So I think that he was eating it up and I definitely called him out by saying

I think it's choking your ego a little bit. So he felt like that wasn't the case for him but I genuinely think it was a little difficult. And I did encourage him to explore all the connections and test them to the deepest level. And that's exactly what he did. And ultimately, he chose Ciara. And I'm not a sore loser. I'm so happy for them. I think Ciara is a lovely, lovely person. But was I being misled the entire process? Absolutely. Otherwise, I wouldn't have. I would have backed off, you know? And watching back, it really frustrates me because I feel like his mind was made up since the moment he met Sierra. So like, that's okay, but communicate that with me, you know, and that's exactly what he didn't do

and that's all I asked from him since day one. If Nick was a little bit more upfront with the way he was leaning, who would you have pursued and at least explored? Because it's so early, right? Like, you know, you barely even knew Nick. For all you know, like spending two more days there, you could have realized,

oh shit, like Charlie and I are like, we're vibing. Okay. Another, another little side detail. Um, I had amazing chats with the guys in the villa and the conversations that were shown were unfortunately with, I love Charlie as a person. He's hilarious, but that was the least of my connections in that villa. How funny. Why does no one like Charlie? I feel like he's a- I love Charlie, he's great,

but I just got like bestie vibes from him. Okay, all right. And I said that too, but that didn't make the cut. Yeah. So the real tea, Taylor and I actually had this like, undeniable chemistry that was never shown. And if anybody else saved me that night,

it would have been Taylor. But for me, I am such a girl's girl. And being a girl's girl in that villa is something that's very difficult to do because Alandria, she was my other girl. Huda and Alandria were my besties in there. And I think my loyalty to Alandria, she was my other girl. Huda and Alandria were my besties in there. And I think my loyalty to Alandria really, really got in the way of me

fully exploring what could have been there with Taylor and I. Okay. It must have been easier to be dumped by Nick while he has a massive pimple on his face, no? Not the pimple. Like, oh my gosh. Yeah, I was like, there's any part of you who's like,

you know what, honestly, send me home. Send me home. I don't. No, we all break out sometimes. And obviously, he was dealing with a very stressful situation. It is so funny. Why didn't you offer him a pimple patch, you know, like a little star? Tag went on all throughout the day, but I guess he took it off for the recovery.

I don't know. I don't know. I want to get that patch on. He shouldn't have. He shouldn't have. That's crazy. But no, I will say like, Taylor, he always had Alandria, excuse me, he always had Alandria on one hand and he would have me in the other.

He would help me up and down the stairs. He would bring me coffee every single morning. He would ask if I wanted breakfast. He just like had my back. Like even during the recoupling announcement, he grabbed my hand and held on so tight and was like, like everything's going to be OK, you know? So I and the last thing he told me was I'm going to be checking up on you on the outside world. Okay.

If it wasn't Nick, it would have been Taylor. Okay. All right. Don't tell anyone that. Save that for us. So shh, look at the exclusive. Beldasha, blink twice if you would, if there's any chance you show up at Casa Amor. Wish I could blink 10 times.

That would be crazy. I feel like it would be such a sick storyline. Like this little shy girl comes in and then finally breaks out of her shell. Right? See, she's all warmed up. She's ready to go. Put her back in, coach. She's ready.

She's going to bring the heat. She's going to go. Put her back in, coach. Let's go. She's ready, she's gonna bring the heat. She's gonna do whatever it takes to get into that villa. She's not gonna have her girls clouding her judgment. But Anne, Anne, you'll be able to see. Movie night's gonna be rated. You shouldn't watch this. You'll be able to see all the girls and then you'll go back and like Huda and Nelandria

are still your girls. So you'll be like, let me tell you the actual tea that they're not gonna tell you. Could be good. It could be good. I think it would be wild. So, you know, producers, if the opportunity arises. If they're listening.

Right, right, right, right, right. We are so down for that to happen. Who is the, which of the guys makes the best breakfast? Okay, this is so funny because it was a huge mystery the entire time of who was making the breakfast because I know that the guys would take credit for somebody else's work. But watching back, I'm seeing that Ace is the first one in the kitchen. He's the one scrambling on the eggs.

He's the one like putting all of the beautiful like assortments on the plate. I am actually a very simple girl and I don't eat breakfast very much. So I love a good little peanut butter toast and Nick did make me my peanut butter toast. I will give him credit for that. And he even like cut it up for me which was very sweet. But Ace made me breakfast one day and I felt bad because I barely touched it. It was like too pretty to eat. He gave me the fruit, he gave me the avatose, he gave me the beautifully scrambled eggs and I barely touched it. Why do you feel like Ace and Shelly didn't hook up or at least match or pick each other? Because it felt like, I felt like that was the direction he was going. Watching it back, they both seem to really connect on a deep level.

Like, what do you feel like that was all about? Genuinely, I think they could be endgame. I'm going to be so honest. I don't know how they haven't just clung onto each other because their connection is undeniable. And they actually like they've met before. And them being in the same place at the same time again in this entire process. is undeniable. And they actually like they've met before. And them being in the same place at the same time again, in this

entire process. I feel like that's fake. It definitely means something. Shelly is such a beautiful person inside and out truly in the way she carries herself. And ace he's there and he is he's playing the game for sure. You know, he's getting to know everybody. But I think it's only fair. And he's testing every single one of his connections. And I feel like he's doing that so that he can potentially just go all in on Shelley

and not be thinking of anybody else in the back of his mind. He kind of ran my mind in Beldash. I like, I feel like, I don't know, Ace feels like he has this figured out. I feel like he knows what he's doing. He's like, maybe like he's watched the show. He's like he's trying to play chess while everyone's playing checkers.

And he's like, you know what? I'm gonna wait. You know, like I feel he has a quiet confidence about him. And I thought, you know, maybe they'll just, they'll wait until they need to play that game. To that point, do you feel like Huda and Jeremiah are like a little too hot, too heavy, too soon? Okay.

So that is something that has scared me a little bit because Huda has become my best friend in that villa and Jeremiah has become like my big brother and my wingman. And like I have confided in both of them so very much, it terrifies me that they just have tunnel vision for each other because they're not testing that connection. And I'm a little afraid that, you know, maybe when Casa comes around and somebody who is just Jeremiah's type, I'm not saying Huda's not, but if this other Latina with an accent

Exactly what she wants and it's Jeremiah and hood is not gonna be there to be in the back of his mind It does scare me a little bit that he might fold and I feel like Huda as much as she said she's not writing anybody off she has and and so it scares me because I don't think there would be another connection to save her. And so I really genuinely do have high hopes for them. And I hope that they make it to the end because they are so beautiful and they have grown a lot in such a short amount of time

that I think they do have so much potential in the outside world too. But I'm a little nervous for it for them for sure. Yeah. Did you ever check Huda on her reaction to the bombshell coming in and participating in the challenge and pulling, just playing the game? Was there ever a moment where, because she had a very reaction, she was like, she's messy. I don't like her. She's not a good person. Did you ever have any conversation with her? Absolutely. Yeah, no. Huda confided in me and she did me more than anybody else. And in that moment, I was there. I was there to be the friend who validated her feelings,

but also letting her know like, hey, these girls are coming in here and they deserve a spot in this villa just as much as you and I do. And they're going to do anything and everything they can to find those connections because they deserve that. And I did let her know that. And after she slept on that for a little bit, something that the viewers didn't get to see is she owned her actions up and down,

like four or five times over to Amaya. And so yeah, I was there to like feed into her delusions a little bit and just like validate her because sometimes in the moment you don't need somebody telling you that you're just in the dead wrong. But I did have a little happy medium balance of letting her know that hey, your feelings are valid. But hey, like, let's keep an open mind and an open heart and give these girls a warm welcome like they do deserve. Okay, all right. Did you catch the part,

because it sounds like you watched it back, did you catch the part where Jeremiah kind of caught himself and was like, if we win, which kind of gave like, are you here to win, are you here to fall in love? And then he kind of corrected himself a little bit. Being around them, I don't know, unless he really, really, really is dedicated to the bit, I would like, I don't see that with him. I don't think he's just here to win. I want to believe better in him than that because he just does seem so genuinely whip for her and maybe it is

delusional in my mind to think that but he really just seems like he wants to see things through with Huda and he does seem to genuinely care for her and Maybe it's just like me wanting them to work out so bad that I don't want that in my mind But I don't think so. I don't think that's his whole goal here. I mean, I'm sure that's slightly in the back of anybody's mind in there. Like everybody wants to be there. I get it, that's a good answer.

But I don't think that's his whole goal. Okay, okay. Did the rest of the group refer to Huda and Jeremiah as mom and dad? Like Huda keeps telling us that everyone is referring him to his mom and dad. I think she meant the villa as in me. Because I would refer to them as mom and dad.

I was sleeping alone in my bed since day two and their bed is right next to mine. So I would go and like cuddle up just like right with them and they would both be there to like wipe my tears and and you know maybe feed into my delusions as well. Jeremiah really did become like a little wingman for me and would be like a little spy for me so I definitely called them like mom and dad for sure. I don't know about anybody else but I could say for myself. I don't know if you heard it in the moment

or if you've seen it when you watched it back. And I don't know if she had any malicious intent, but when Sierra sat down after that recoupling, knowing you were going home and she looked over at Nick and said, good job, did that hurt your feelings? It didn't really rub me the right way when she said that. To be honest with you, this is this is tough because Sarah and I, we did develop a friendship and she is just the sweetest person on the inside and out. And like I said, I do understand why

Nick would be so torn between us. But there were moments that I didn't know. I've been like her kind of like providing in the other girls saying how she was feeling and then telling Nick how she she was like uneasy about me and things like that that I never got. Yeah. So I don't know seeing all of the conversations being held behind closed doors. That definitely opens up my mind a little bit more. But once again, we're all there for the same reason. And I don't think she meant any malicious intent. Like, what do you say after that?

Like, I'm so happy you chose me. Like, I don't know. Like, no, I don't know what I would say either. So I don't think she meant any ill intentions at all. Were you, do you think she should have had more of a reaction? Because it seemed like she wasn't all that bothered when she found out that you and Nick had that sexy make out that you did after she picked.

And she almost tried to blow it off. Do you feel like she's just like kind of trying to forget about it or like, yeah, what did you think of that reaction? I think in this point, I think she really wants to see it through with him. And like, I kind of want to put myself in her shoes and wonder how I would react as well.

Cause I didn't know what was happening. And I didn't know they shared that moment in the photo booth like that. Five minutes after we had our moment in soul ties, that was diabolical. I mean, that saliva was still up in that mouth of his. That was crazy. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I feel like maybe I kissed Sierra too.

Like, the saliva's still there. That's crazy. But like, it's so early on and oh, y'all want some tea? Yes. Oh, give it. Only if you promise to save it for us. Okay, okay, okay. Nick has been in an open relationship before,

and that was one of the first things he told me within our first conversation, and I don't know why I didn't raise a red flag to that right away, but I feel like him having Sierra and I maybe gave him a little bit of a taste from his past. Yeah, he like fell right at home. Yeah.

This man wasn't homesick at all. All right, well last question before we have to let you go, Bella, about Belladasha. And I wanna thank you, you've been so generous and we love you, thank you so much for taking the time. Having been on your side of things, I've realized watching back that some people look different on TV than they do in person.

Some people look kinda, they look hotter. Some people look better in person or better on TV. What is your opinion having seen people from behind the screen having met them in person? Is Jeremiah as smoking hot as he looks on our TV? Oh, for sure. Jeremiah is fine and he knows he's fine. Oh yeah.

And Huda is absolutely stunning. She looks exactly like she does in person. Like on screen as well. So I don't know. I think that I thought that going into this that maybe people do look a lot better on screen, but now being on both sides of it, I don't think there were any catfishes there whatsoever.

Maybe I was. No, no. I think that everybody really was just like they were good looking. Throwing through. And do you think like one more like Charlie, like what I know you mentioned, you guys were just friends, but like he seems like a tall, dark and handsome, good looking guy. And it really felt like all you women were just friends, but like I he seems like a, you know, tall, tall, dark and handsome, good looking guy. And it really felt like all you women were just more like, eh, I don't know what to say to this one.

I feel like maybe it's just the energy that he brings that just says friend all over it. But you know what? He he got a little more from Hannah. And that's what matters. I think that everything happens for a reason. And I think Hannah and that's what matters. I think that Everything happens for a reason and I think Hannah and Charlie were placed in the villa at the times. They were Absolutely to like like find each other. They haven't didn't have to fight any girl for her man. Sure Deserve each other. I don't know how well the connection is going to hold up because I feel like they are very

Infatuated with each other right now. And they are in the little honeymoon phase, which is super fun, light and flirty. But it will be interesting to see what happens when a hot new male bombshell walks through those doors gunning for Hannah. Because Charlie wasn't fully on Hannah's radar until she had a conversation with him. Okay. I know I'm very excited for Casa Amor. I feel like radar until she had a conversation with him. Okay.

I know, I'm very excited for Casa Amor. I feel like we're gonna see a lot of cracks. Well, I hope we see you there. And we hope we see you there, of course. Yeah, we hope you see that. I hope you make an appearance on movie night. Beldasha, thank you so much. Congratulations on what was short,

but certainly an impactful time on Love Island, and congratulations on all your success. Excited to see more of you. Thank you for your time and for the tea. Thank you guys so much. I feel blessed to be here and I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Thank you.

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She just needed a warmup, you know? That's why I think she's gonna be really great in cost that more. I don't think they would have let us interview her if she was coming back. I'm sad that they didn't show us more of her and Taylor's relationship.

Yeah, what? That is interesting, Herbie, and if Nick didn't, Taylor would have saved me, which is interesting. Because we've seen him this far be like, I don't have a physical connection with Alandria. So I wonder if that was with... Not Nick leading with he's been in an open relationship

is like if that was like some kind of asset on Love Island. He's like, don't worry, I'm used to dating multiple women. That's cool, I'm good. Oh thank God. And then was the only one in a love triangle, like it's like clearly didn't know how to handle it. Right, and then you have Austin on the complete opposite and that's just like, I'm in a love triangle

and I don't want to be here. Have y'all seen, I was telling Nick about it last night, this trend on TikTok that's like, I wish Love Island was like the Hunger Games and we could drop in like survival kits for them. And they were like, for Huda, we're dropping her some mood stabilizers. We're dropping Nick Pimple patches? For Nick Pimple patches.

For Jeremiah said a t-shirt that says, I'm not the stepfather, I'm the father that stepped up. Oh my God. I have a theory though. What? I think Ace is into Huda. Really? Okay.

I do. I can kind of see that because he really is focused on their relationship. He's really, really focusing too much on their relationship. He really doesn't want Jer- That's an interesting theory, but you don't think the theory that-

He's trying to get into Jeremiah's head. I think he's in it to win it more than anyone else. And by win it, I mean like win, not like fall in love or meet a person. I don't know, it just seems a little shady that the established influencer YouTube star who found his way onto a reality TV show is already a bit of a red flag.

And then the one lady that he's already met in person, how long or how much, whether it was a brief, you know, meet up or they actually knew each other, I don't know. And then they just seem like they're playing everyone. Like, that was so messed up to like, match with Amaya. And then immediately be like, I'm all for like, standing up for expectations

and boundaries and just like, establishing where you stand. But he was like, oh, anyway, so, excited to get to know you, but like, don't touch me, don't look at me, don't talk to me. Like, I definitely wanna date other people. Don't call me babe. Don't call me babe. That was crazy. It was just like, it was just mean. That's like, that't touch me, don't look at me, don't talk to me, like I definitely wanna date other people. Don't call me babe. Don't call me babe. That was crazy. It was just like, it was just mean.

That's like, that's not the way to do it. Don't you dare expect me to say goodnight to you. Yeah, it was just like, whoa. It was like, and the way he like talks down to some of these women when he had a confrontation with her, he's like, so this is how it's gonna go. I'm gonna talk, you're gonna talk, we're gonna hear. She's like, bro, like, I don't know, get over yourself.

Like, and again, like, I don't know, it's just kind of given Napoleon. It's just, I don't know, it's yourself. Like, and again, like, I don't know. It's just kind of giving Napoleon. It's just, I don't know. It's a little too aggressive. It's very condescending. Yeah. He's also like really just, it's such a slap in the face to Austin. Him planning this yoga date, like right in front of his face.

It's like, okay, I get it. You can be into Shelly. We're only a couple of days in, but just tell Austin, be like, yo, I'm, I'm still going to pursue her. It is being so weird with being like, I'm going to take a girl to yoga. It's like, bro, just, like, yeah, just say it. And set it up in the center of the villa, by the way. Yeah. It's so secretive. While she's in the middle of making Austin breakfast. Also, like, I think it's definitely more ace, but like, and I, and I hate to even speculate because I love Shelly. I think she's so great and dynamic.

And I would love for her to make it all the way to the end. She's such a captivating character. That being said, I thought it was kind of weird right before they recoupled that she had this conversation with Austin and she was basically like, listen, we're friends, we're friends. Like friend vibes. And then a couple scenes later, it was like, I don't know, maybe

Austin and I should like, you know, I don't know, maybe there's more there. And it just really felt like something, a conversation or something happened between her and Ace that we didn't get to see. And she was like, all right, well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna circle back on Austin. It's like she knew that Ace wasn't going to pick her. And it just her, and it makes, Ace is obviously very savvy, he's intelligent, he knows what he's doing, and he just talks like he understands the playbook of the show too much. And it makes sense that he's playing the long game,

and that he's gonna couple up with someone else, and then he's gonna be like, hey listen, I don't wanna be called the player and I still wanna like get to know, you know, Shelley. So that's why he's gonna like have this conversation with her and he just did it in such an aggressive way. It just, I don't know. And like, again, like love Shelley, but she's playing Austin.

Like, it's just like, stop pretending that you're into this guy. When she's like, oh, you're so understanding, you're so patient, like said no girl ever who was actually into a guy, ever. You know, she's just, it's just, and Austin's grown on me. He's sweet, he's a sweetheart. Austin's growing on me too, but the ace

and the kissing challenge, the pie challenge, like I was like dry heaving, cause I was like, this is far too much. Like, I'm just like, it's so, I don't know, I just felt so bad. Oh, when he licked the pie challenge. Like, I was like dry heaving, because I was like, this is far too much. Like, I'm just like, it's so, I don't know, I just felt so bad. Oh, when he licked the pie? When he licked the pie and then went into her mouth, and then it was like Austin sitting there,

and they're like licking, it's just, it was like, ugh, like he's got a plan, but I'm like... The best part of that challenge was Sierra just being like, I just want to get my lips on Shelly. Happy Pride, everybody. Happy Pride, I was living for that. All of the guys were like freaking their shit. It was so guy coded.

Yeah, that was getting, I've never been to college. Literally. Oh yeah, you have Nick with his phone. Yeah, that was Nick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Jeremiah, after the challenge, acting like a little bitch baby.

I do have to say it was really weird that when Ace pulled Huda to talk about the whatever, and she had just finished telling Amaya that she didn't wanna pie Amaya, so she pieed Ace, and then she's like, honestly, Ace, I just wanted to kiss you. I was hoping it would land on the lips so that I could kiss you.

What? Huh? Well, she said that she just didn't want to kiss Amaya. She'd rather kiss Ace. But I'm telling you, there's something with them. How is that even better? But like you're coupled up with Jeremiah being like, you're gonna look at another girl.

You're gonna look, are you kidding? You're gonna look at another girl. It's like you're telling Ace you were hoping to like make out with him over what? Ace and Huda. That conversation between Jeremiah and Huda, wouldn't, you know, cause they're, you know, they're not closed off.

So like, I know we're open, but I'm just saying, and like if another girl comes and like, I don't wanna like talk to her and he's like, what, what? It's just like, either you're open or you're closed, you know, and if you're open, who knows? And if you're closed, then you're fucking closed. This semantical argument that it is all, it was solely based off each other's insecurities

and trying to like fuck with each other's heads. It was just so obnoxious. He was literally like, we're closed off unless a badder bitch comes in. Was literally what he was saying. Literally. Which is crazy. There's nothing worse than if somebody's mad at me

and I know that they're mad at me and I'm like, just talk to me and they're like, no. No, he acted like such a bitch, baby. When she came over to him and he shook her hand and then gives her two thumbs up, it was like, what? Oh my God. Or when she was like, how do you usually hold me, Jeremiah or whatever? And he's like, I'm not going to hold you the same way every time. And it's like, bro, you couldn't keep your hands off her this entire time. One of your friends said one thing, and instead of having a conversation,

you're acting completely differently. I just don't play with that. I'm like, either say what you need to say and get it out, or like, let it go. But I'm like to like cause a whole scene being like, I'm gonna pout and then I'm just not gonna tell you cause I'm sure. He hates to be told that he's doing great.

He hates to be told he's doing great. He does, good job, great job. So words of affirmation is not your love language. Literally. I do understand him a little bit in that moment. Like she's talking down to him a little bit. Like it's a little much when it's like everything she does, she's like giving like a grade two or just like.

I mean, he could have sat there and been like, like I just need a moment, like just give me some time. But he was like being weird with like the shaking her hand and the thumbs up and the like didn't wanna look at her and like, and then she pulls them and he's like, nah bro, like straight, I'm straight, I'm cool, I'm chilling. It's like. Everything about the relationship is definitely giving

like college high school relationship where it's really too intense, too fast. And they love the idea about each other. And they love talking about how great they're gonna look to their friends and yada, yada, yada. Oh, wait, did y'all catch when they go to the water park and Hoda's talking about living together. And he's like, oh, you know, yeah, like maybe eventually

like, oh, we'll start like, you know, like visiting long distance and maybe like, we'll move to the same state, you know, and then maybe like the same city. And like, we'll start like, and you know, like visiting long distance and maybe like, we'll move to the same state, you know, and then maybe like the same city and like, we'll just like kind of work our way. And then she goes back to the girls and she's like, he said he wants to live with me. Huh?

It's like, put up. Zero chance they end up together. That's gonna, that relationship is gonna absolutely crash and burn. That man is terrified of her now, but I was also wondering that I'm like, cause he kinda said the whole like good boy situation was like based after like her acting like a mom

or like treating him like a child. And I'm wondering if he wants to feel that way if she hadn't told him about being a mom. Yes, I agree. Because it's like now he's kind of using that against her and using that as like his way out being like, no, you chalked down to me, but if she talked to you like that

and you didn't know she had a kid, would you have a problem with it? Or would you think it was like talked to you like that and you didn't know she had a kid, would you have a problem with it or would you think it was like pet names? It started after she told him that she had a kid. Oh. Totally. Amaya lost me during that. Amaya lost me. 100%. She lost me with the blow up at Shelly.

I kind of think she's great. The argument with Ace where she's like, she just kept saying, Babe? She kept saying the same thing over and over again and wouldn't let him talk. Yeah, which nothing pisses me off more than like someone just repeating themselves

over and over and over in an argument. It's like, okay, whenever you're done. She's activated. I'm like, yeah, it was a little messy and it was intense. And she like, you know, she was activated, but I just, I think she's onto something. And I think she can tell that Shelly and Ace are like, they're being shady.

She has every right to be like pissed off with Ace. What he's doing to her is so fucked. It's so unfair. It's not nice. It's like, honestly, like if I'm her, that would make me feel really small. I don't think Shelly is completely innocent in this whole charade that they're playing.

Shelly's playing the Love Island game. Shelly's being like, it's eight days in babe. Like you might be coupled up with Ace, but like I still like wanna get to know him. And like he wants to get to know me. He's open, I'm open. All I'm saying, if they end up together. Shelly doesn't like Austin.

Yeah, if Shelly and Ace end up together, I don't know, something's up. Like it's, there was something shady going on. I just, I don't know. Something's like it's it's there was something shady going on. I just I don't know the way she is pretending to like Austin makes me question. She doesn't want to go home. So she that they all do that. They all like want to stay in their couple so that they like make sure they have a couple for the next time. Lean into your connection with a like show more of a like I don't know. know. Listen, it's definitely way more ace, but, and I- It's all ace. Shelly's done nothing wrong, but play the game. It's time for some new bombshells. We definitely, oh my God.

I was like, give us the- They better bomb. And I really, I hope, I don't get why they don't like Charlie. I just don't get it. Y'all wanna know what's fucked when Huda was like, when Jeremiah got called for a Landria or whatever for whatever they did and they landed on Kiss and he just pecked.

She's like, you could have made out with her. It's like, you just about took off Amaya's head when she made out with him at the last challenge. But now it's okay for your girl to make him? Like what? Make up your mind. This girl has me literally like with flash. I was like, where are we?

And I like the best of the Lundrie. I probably didn't want to kiss him either. Yeah, she was like not- Lundrie is the best. She's my fave. I spotted your red flags from day one. I love her. She's always like, listen, I don't want to gossip, but.

Oops, he didn't tell you that? Oh shit, oh my bad. I don't- I might have. Right, both Ace and Austin going to her for advice on Shelly and it's just like, she's like, yeah, like just don't quit trying. Just put your all in there.

I saw this interesting TikTok and they're obviously referring to Huda, but they were like, it's a major red flag when, to this person and I agree with them, that when women start really early on in a friendship being like, oh my God, I love you, you're my soul sister, we're sisters, we're besties, and that's kind of how Hood has been acting. Whenever she revealed to Sierra that she was a mom,

third episode or fourth episode, and she's like, you're my sister. I've come to realize and I get that they're spending a lot of time together, but. That's intense. It's like a friendship love bombing in a way. It's like claiming friends and it feels a little transactional.

It's just like, I love you. So in case I need something from you, just know that like I'm your ride or die. Yeah. You know, it's a. And you better not vote me out. Literally. Yeah, no. How does she, it's a... And you better not vote me out. Literally. Yeah, no.

How does she, she's no dummy, she's playing the game, but she's also just like, she gets a little too activated too early. She's fun to watch. She's great television. I do think all of the men are scared of her though. I mean, Nick being like, I just think she... Don't tell her that.

Please don't tell her I said that. That was annoying. Yeah. And he's the cause of it. He's the cause of why Jeremiah is acting different. He's like, just don't tell her I said that. That was annoying. Yeah. And he's the cause of it. He's the cause of why Jeremiah is acting different. He's like, just don't tell her I said that. So she's like, I don't know why I'm acting different. I'm totally fine, girl.

I also felt like his criticism didn't make sense. Like I think there's a lot of holes to poke in Jeremiah and Huda's relationship, but like she's, I don't think she's pretending to like him. Yeah. You know, like she definitely likes him. And I don't know. And maybe, maybe them. Yeah. You know? No. She definitely likes them. And I don't know. And maybe, maybe, maybe you're right, Leia. Maybe there's something going on.

They haven't shown us. You know what I'm saying? Maybe Huda and Ace, maybe they're giving each other looks. Like, Ace is fucking sneaky. And he doesn't want to like, he doesn't like revealing his cards, pun intended. During the blindfolded challenge in the very beginning, remember when they were allowed to like,

go kiss whoever they wanted to? Oh yeah. Ace kissed Huda. Oh yeah, I forgot, he kissed Shelly and Huda, yeah. There has not been a conversation about that. Wait, that's so true, I forgot about that. I'm just saying, Huda and Ace, there's gonna be something. Ace is definitely into Huda.

And especially after hearing the most recent conversation of her being like, I just wish I would have kissed you. That is a weird thing to say when you're like, so you wanna be closed off with your man so bad. To be like. And he also wasn't getting upset with her for touching his arm. I can't wait for Casa more.

They're gonna blow that shit up in Casa so fucking bad. And then the movie night, you know, Hooda's like, he's going to be so scared. If Jeremiah folds in Casa Amor, I hope they pick them as much as they're 34. Remember the Kailer and Aaron of it all where she's just like, Aaron, like the whole time. And she's like sobbing, crying. What the fuck? She's like, what the fuck is this?

Like Hooda's going to be pissed. And the death stare, she's going tobing, crying. She's like, what the fuck is this? Like, Huda's gonna be pissed. In the death stare, she's gonna send this man. I don't think Jeremiah though, I think he's smart enough. If he does, like, if he breaks, I think he'll come clean fast. This is the thing about Casa Amor is that they've all seen the show.

They all know what happens, and then they all do it anyway. That's what's so funny. Every single time. No, I know, I know, but like, Jeremiah, up until this point, has been very self-conscious, whether it's because he doesn't want to hurt Huda's feelings, or because he's self-conscious about his brand, or how he comes across.

Like, he has been swerving, he's been pecking, he's been, he hasn't even been making out during the games, which everyone gets like a green light to do that shit. So he's very self light to do that shit. So he's very self-aware on that end. So I have a hard time believing that he's gonna come back knowing that Movie Night exists and lie about it. I hope I'm wrong.

I hope it's messy as fuck. I could see Jeremiah coming back with somebody else. But the best case scenario is that like, yeah, they pick up baddie for them. They go into casa with their relationship, like really rocky, like, you know, and that's the thing, so much of a relationship right about this is about how it starts, right?

It's like that meet cute, they love how they meet. Obviously this isn't like, you know, love island world, but it's like, it's based off of like, just absolutely being obsessed with each other, like the first week and talking about, oh my god, our kids would look so cute together and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's all about this fantasy that they built

when they first met and then everything about those types of relationships is about maintaining the fantasy without it just being normal and getting to know each other. So they'll continue down this path of like, just like trying to preserve how they met and then Casa Amor will start and he will already be like questioning how things are. He'll like, he'll have his buddies get in his head. Nick will be like, I don't know, man, she's a little toxic.

And then they'll bring in this, you know, this bombshell. And yeah, I just don't think, I don't think Jeremiah is gonna like do whatever, whatever he does and come back and be like, like Aaron was last year and just been like, yeah, nothing happened. Like I didn't do anything. You know?

I don't remember. I don't really remember, you know? Like I don't think he's gonna do that. I think it'll come clean and then he'll do the whole like guy thing where he's like, I'm just so confused and I still like you, but I like her too. And it'll be a big mess and then Hood will blow up and then that's where Ace maybe comes in.

When is Casa Amor? Not for a while. Not for a while. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, do you remember Maya and Huda breaking up before Casa? Tomorrow, tonight. They're not lasting.

What did he, I mean he was like, bro I'm done. Like she keeps calling me like saying I'm doing great. Like I'm out of this shit. Is what he was sitting there saying to Nick and I'm like, wait, is he saying their relationship's over? And then he was like, I'll do anything for her. And I was like, what? No, it was like, he's like, everything's perfect

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Well, I mean, they're not on the show. So like, you know, I don't know. They're like meeting with producers, talking storylines, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, about the possibility of... It sounds like, maybe this was a blog, I don't know, you never know. We thought Carl left Summer House, even Andy Cohen sounds like he believed that fake post.

But who else is interviewing? The Toms. And who else? Is there someone else, did I forget? Who else? Cheena? Ariana's brother? Oh yeah, and Ariana's brother, which, ugh.

It's giving Bravo, putting up Loser Men on a pedestal. I can't, well, I can't. I mean, I can't argue against that. I, you know, the Toms, I mean, you know, especially Swartz, I have a bit of a soft spot. Put it this way, if, would it be interesting to you guys if you could see, well, Tom Sandoval is in a relationship, Schwartz at least says he wants kids.

I would like to see them to be in seemingly decent relationships and strive for the American family dream. Do we feel like we trust Tom Sandoval on another TV show while in a relationship? I just like don't know what that show would be. Are Ariana and her brother on good terms? Are they close? That I don't know.

Wasn't there like headlines a long time ago of like she hasn't spoken to him? Yeah, I feel like last time I heard there was definitely a risk. That was a while ago. Because he was still on good terms with Sandoval, I think after Scandival. Well, there's your issue.

And he was hanging out with Jax when Jax was dating that like OnlyFans model during everything. So I'm like, yeah, he's definitely picked the wrong side of history Yeah, they weren't on speaking terms a year ago. One of the biggest I think misconceptions out there especially with like public figures is His family members, you know Often if there's like a report like so so-and-so's brother or sister or cousin or whatever

might speak on what they know about this public figure or maybe they're quoted in some kind of book. And it's just like, I have 10 brothers and sisters and they're very different. I mean, I have siblings on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum and everything in between. And some of us are close. I mean, as a whole, we're a close family.

But like the individual, like, I wouldn't want most of my siblings speaking on my behalf. You know what I'm saying? Like if someone wrote like a bio pic about your life. Like would you want your sisters? Like how many of your siblings would you wanna be like, yeah, let me tell you everything I know about Natalie. Yeah, probably not a lot of them for sure.

Especially a sibling. It's loaded with such like sibling rivalry. I feel like they would tell it. I'm like, that's not fucking how it happened, like at all. I mean, Ariana's gotta be so pissed about the possibility. It's such a good concept of Valley. Like get aspirational people. They need to get, they need to convince Stacey Schroeder

and La La Kent, they've got to. Stacey's team hulu at this point, she's off the grid. I don't care, they need to pay her enough money. Her and her family need to be on the Valley. Stacey would be great, but they can like, this group of Vanderpump adjacent people are not the only people who live in the Valley.

They're not the only people you can make the show about. I think that's what is, what we like so much about the Valley with Kristen is that we saw her as this like crazy drunk kid and now she's like becoming a mom, she's settled down, she's bought a house, she's like, and we like that transition. These random friends that like, some are fans of the show, some are not. I don't feel like they're as compelling.

They're not at all. I don't need Jasmine, don't need Zach. Janet, Michelle, Liam. I will say Janet at least is, Janet might give Karen, but I don't think she's like a bad person. She's the most boring person to watch on reality television. She's awful.

I'm not saying. Sorry. I get that she came on, but no, she's terrible reality star. Yeah, she does not give anything from herself. All of her drama is like spewing shit about other people from forever ago or keeping the same fight going, episodes, episodes, episodes in. I would fire them all except for Kristen and Luke.

I mean, Luke's only crime is wearing those shorts with that suit. Do you think? That was, I mean, it must be Kristen's fault. There's no way Luke picked that out for himself. That's just, that's just Luke. I feel like Luke picks out his own clothes. There's no way he picked that out.

For sure. There's no way he picked that out. For sure. There's no way he picked that out. Like that pink linen suit pant. Short. Short. It was stylish. He was taking a fashion, fashion, fashion. It was brave.

That man takes risks. He just blends in with his skin. And then when it cut to the wide, it was a jump scare. I was like, is he naked? The shorts was definitely a jump scare. I was like, is he naked? The shorts was definitely a jump scare. But no, I think we need Lala's, I said this, yeah, last reality recap. We need Lala's dynamic, right?

We need like this powerful woman with her children, no fucking man, like maybe she's dating, whatever, but like the pod with her mom and her brother, like raising her family, her doing her pod, like she's a powerhouse. We need Lala. I think Stacey with her two kids and her husband. Stacey's not going to be back. Lala and Kristen. We're not actually casting them. This is all imaginary. Okay.

What is your problem? This is not a problem. This is not a perfect world. That will never happen. So stop saying it. It's like, holy shit, it's my dream team. It's crazy. This is her fantasy football. Literally, like, sorry, Aaron Rodgers is never gonna play for you in real life. Stassi Schroeder. Stassi Schroeder.

Stassi Schroeder with her family on the valley. Anyone else have a dream team that involves Stassi? So we have Stassi, Lala, Kristen. Would it be not funny to have... I'd be interested in watching the Toms date on the valley. I'd be fine never seeing Toms at, never. They're not as dark. I mean, compared to Jesse and Jax, the Toms make them look like sweet souls.

I think we can do Schwartz without Sandoval. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. I'm like, the only thing even with Schwartz though too is that I've, and I love Schwartz, but I feel like he's still so like, I'm trying to figure it out. Like the contrast between like these like marriages

falling apart, like you have to get rid of all of that to incorporate someone like Schwartz, because it's just gonna go from like fighting fighting to like, here's my plants. Like, you know, it's just two very different vibes. No, I don't want the darkness of this show. You know, I don't. What about Heidi and Spencer? I don't know if they mesh with the show.

I feel like they're their own, Heidi and Spencer are Heidi and Spencer. They're not part of an ensemble anymore. Like they're their own show. Yeah. Well, they're my dream. They should have their own show. I would want them.

Justin said it, not you. Okay, so Nick's dream team is Heidi and Spencer, Tom Sandoval. Yeah. No one Justin said it, not you. Okay, so Nick's dream team is Heidi and Spencer, Tom Sandoval, Yeah, no one's doing any of this show. Victoria Lee Robinson. No, Tom Sandoval's not in my dream. Who else is on your dream team, Nick?

Sorry, they're not renewing it. Your season. No, I want more aspirational people. So far I don't know if I'm watching. Ratings are low for Nick's season of The Valley. I think it'd perform. No one's watching. Whose season performs better?

Nick's dream team or Natalie's dream team? When did they become my dream team? You just said they were. No, I said they were being interviewed. But you got mad at me when I said Stassi and you were like, no, never, that won't happen. That's my dream team. I'm pretty sure she's on Hulu. She's bucked and busy.

She has her own show though. He's right. I do also feel like though they're really, they can't really put anyone else, like whoever else is on this show has to come from reality TV, right? Like there can't be like a Julianne Huff on, you know? Like we can't have.

Why not? Because she's not gonna like. Mix Dream Team, Julianne Huff.. You know, like we can't have. Why not? Because she's not gonna like. Mix Dream Team Julianne Hough. Mix and mingle, literally. I'm not saying Julianne Hough, but like what I'm saying is, I want people who like, who are aspirational,

that have cool lives, that like have good qualities to them. And sure, every once in a while, they show some vulnerability They bring some mess in their life onto the show who I don't fucking know who's at the top of your head Besides I don't see how he's aspirational in any sort of way His cameos are charming See the cameo in my life.

He puts so much work into them. He does put a lot of, he does put a lot into those cameos. It's like a birthday tribute. He plays music in the background. It's, it's. He's mixing a drink. He sets up a whole bar. Have you bought one?

He's always doing the most. I saw him floating around. Nick just has a bunch of Tom Sandow cameos. He's like, hey Nick, me again. And Natalie knows what to get him for Father's Day. I think he's working on himself. I'd come back. So you have no one that you can think of off the top of your head? Off the top of my head?

Jillian Hough actually wouldn't be bad. I mean, she'd never do it, but... She'd be pretty good. Like I feel like we're both going to be good at this. I mean, she'd never do it, but... Um... Uh-huh. Pretty good. Um... LAUGHS Like, I feel like we're back to square one, no? I mean, like, how did we start?

Yeah, with me and now he's like, Juliet Huff would never do it, but yeah, I'd have her on. Like, Stacey Schroeder would never do it, but yeah, I'd have her on. No, Stacey can't. I do think the beauty of The Valley is that it's a group of friends who are in the Vanderpump sphere of universe. So it's friends of friends of friends of friends.

So they kinda have to stick to that bubble. Are you explaining that they're not lying to the Valley? No, what I'm saying, you have to stay true to the Valley. The show itself. The spirit of the universe is wild. That is the log line. Jasmine's been someone who's just been floating around LA for the past decade, trying to be friends

with other reality TV stars and found her way on the show. Is it that compelling? And all she's done is point fingers at people. Do we even know what she's been doing for the past 10 years? What does she even do for work? Genuinely don't know, but can we talk about that moment though when they sit down for dinner for the confrontation

and how fake she was? No, that wasn't saying. She's been sitting here running her mouth to everyone about like how Dark Side Danny, Dark Side Danny, like. She's a terrible reality TV star. Not Dark Side Danny, about Janet and whatnot. And then it was just like instantly like, I never said that, I forgive you, like we're good.

And it was just like, girl, you wasted my last three episodes on this storyline for this to be the confrontation. Like the beach fight was crazy. And for that to be the last time you speak and then now this, it's like- Yeah, where was the, I thought I missed something. I was like, what happened? Where was the conversation?

I was like, you screamed it in her face last week. Yeah, I guess I probably am. I looked it up and I probably am, you're not a Karen. I was like, you screamed it in her face. And then Janet's like, yeah, I guess I probably am. I looked it up and I probably am a little bit of a Karen. It's like, what is happening? This was clearly a scene. They're clearly just good friends who were like, guys. Jasmine's like, listen, Janet, I'm gonna throw a couple like, you're a Karen,

you have bad vibes and you're gonna get like offended. And then we're gonna make up next episode. Is that cool? And they're like, yeah, great, cool, see you at the beach. That's how that happened. Kind of smart. I said when they both sat down to that dinner, I go, there's two bad actors.

One is already acting, one hasn't gotten started yet. And I don't know if you saw Janet's face when she sat down, but she was just... Like this shy, timid, like, I'm so sad, I'm so sad. And then it was just like, for that to be the confrontation. I was like, you guys are fake. Janice pissed me off this episode. The way they're bringing up this dark Danny again.

I mean, maybe Danny was hammered, but I've never seen a more sober on camera, calm person. Jason's like, you're acting weird, dude. You're acting weird. Go for a walk. Nick was like, he's literally sitting there. He's just sitting there with his legs crossed. He's literally sitting there. And it's like all of his legs crossed. He's literally sitting there and it's like,

all of them like are yelling, all of them yell at each other, all of them get into drama, all of them do this. And it's like, just because Danny had a couple of drinks, he's only doing this because he's drunk. It's like, why can't he just stand up for himself? Also Jason, what a bitch. The way he's afraid to help them decorate the bar because it's gonna upset his abusive, toxic friend

who's coming out of rehab, like, excuse me? Like, are these guys honestly just, what does Jax have over them? Does he have, like, I mean, that would be very believable that Jax blackmailed all his friends. Truly. That's what it's giving. Like, the fact that any of these guys have the nerve to stand up or wanna be his friend at this point

is fucking crazy. They're also acting like they ripped down all of Jax's name. Like, they put a piece of paper over his signage. Jesse's like, I can't believe this, this is happening. Like he's getting out tomorrow. He's gonna hear about this. It's like just rip down the sheet of paper.

Yeah, Jesse trying to make me feel bad for Jax. I'm like, please. Never. Yeah, literally we should do way worse. I have to pick my friend up from rehab tomorrow and we're just aiding in his regression. And it's just like, okay, don't post the photo. I don't know what to tell you. Regression? The man's been, he's been like harassing Brittany

the entire season. What regression? Question, when she said that he came by to pick up the mail, what rehab facility is allowing somebody to go stop by their house to pick up the mail? Like, how do you know he's not using? He's not there. He's at a friend's house.

Thank you. He's every time we see him, he's sitting in front of someone's wall. It's just like- Literally. Jason being like, no. And I walked in and I talked to the professionals there. And I said, this is what you're dealing with.

It's like, honestly, I feel like Jax hired some people and that's where you went to like Jax's facility. This wasn't an actual one. Yeah. It was crazy to hear them. They're like packing up all of his stuff and Brittany's like getting emotional and she's like, I just love him.

You know, you can't get over him overnight. It's like overnight. It's been 10 years of this. What do you mean overnight? Move on. I mean, I honestly, I couldn't with her whole like her ordering McDonald's Taco Bell and this girl needs to get her life together.

I mean, if that's not just parallel to everything about her life. I think that was a trend. Yeah, well. It was like a trend. It's a disgusting trend. Okay. I was like, I ordered Taco Bell.

I saw it and I was like, actually down. I'll take the McDonald's tower. Michelle walking in there being like, is there anything for me? Air and water, my love. This show really does hate women. Justin, you sent like some kind of article talking about the show runner Jeremiah

and how he also shows Southern Charm and he did the Vanderpump like season 10 and 11. And what was that? The Valley Vanderpump on Southern Charm, yeah. Oh, so he hates women. Well, and there's just a fruit line. There just seems to be a theme. People don't know, well,

people don't know too much about this producer. He's associated with a lot of the seasons that were also like, quote unquote, the worst received ones by audience members, and he was removed from Southern Charm like halfway through. I know Jeremy. And he was an executive producer.

I don't know him, but I know of him. And I think his name dropped also in Vanderpump Rules. Yeah. But yeah, so there's an interesting, people are noticing a pattern, whether it's him or if it's just reality, who knows. But it's just the way, for example, like this episode, they did Michelle so dirty, right? Like I was shocked by the, even the women's, our audience response, which is a lot of women,

like the way they are not rallying behind Michelle. Like I just, again, look at Jesse, the type of person he is, what he put Michelle through. And like, you know, maybe Michelle's not your favorite character, maybe you find her slightly obnoxious, but like, how can you not have empathy for someone like Michelle, given everything that Jesse has done, which is very similar to a lot of things that Jax has done in terms of just like, just emotionally torturing her,

spending her money, spending all this money to try to look rich rather than like build a life together. It's crazy. What I do think though is crazy is that Lala was the only person to ask Michelle about her mom. Like she's been with these people, she calls these other people like her best friend, she's been with them so much more than she's been with Lala, like as we've seen. We haven't seen not one of these people

ask Michelle about her mom. Yeah, and I think like again, the show did her so dirty because her comments, I guarantee you people are gonna be, it was edited in a way that was very much like, here's Brittany's moment. It was edited to like give Sheena in a way. It's like, it was the kind of like, what about me type of thing.

But like, this is an in the moment interview that Michelle probably did, I don't know, weeks after they wrapped filming, right? Like they're doing pickups, they're talking about, she probably came in for like a four hour session to go through like moments of the season and just kind of talk about, well, how do you feel about like just the support, you know, that the, do you think the rest of the group supports you when it comes to Jesse,

blah, blah, blah. She answers these questions. And then they decided to embed it into this episode in this moment that makes her, that makes her like look like Ashina. And it's just like, it's, they're doing her so dirty. in this moment that makes her look like Ashina. And it's just like, they're doing her so dirty and I just don't get why. I just like, why don't they have, the show, why doesn't the show have empathy

for these women? Specifically Michelle, because again, Brittany, I'm just so over, I'm just so over. They're moving her out and she's still being like, I just love him. I just, I don't know, his jean jacket. Oh my God, the jean jacket, ah! Like, I don't care.

Like, we got to see a season of Michelle and Jesse. We got to see how shitty he was. And Michelle, flying was like, enough is enough. I don't wanna be with this person. I need to be free of this person. Michelle is an example of standing up for yourself, leaving a toxic situation, and showing that there's light at the end of the tunnel.

And they are highlighting Brittany, who is someone who is example of continuing to delusionally believe, and someone who's never gonna change. And for all the people out there watching this show who need a little inspiration to like leave a bad situation, they are making the one person who's doing that, Michelle, look like Ashina.

Well, it's looking also like where at the end of Vanderpump you had Lala saying like, well, I, you know, nobody, I didn't get this treatment when I went through a divorce on the show or when I got cheated on. And then Ariana gets like the God treatment, you know, where she can't, doesn't have to film with Sandoval and she can like,

you know. It's that to me, for me, where I'm like, I feel like everyone's ignoring or not acknowledging the fact that like, Jax is in a facility right now. So yes, we're there as support for Brittany, but I'm like, Michelle's being forced to spend time, hang out in intimate group with a man who's being forced to spend time, hang out in an intimate group with a man who's actively trying

to make her life miserable. Yeah, it'll be very interesting to see what they do now that Jax is leaving rehab, like how the friend group is gonna navigate. Like, are they gonna invite Jax to all the functions or is it just gonna be Brittany? Like, because right now, they're inviting Michelle and Jesse to everything

and they're not taking into consideration how Michelle might feel about that. And they're like continuing to be friends with Jesse, even when he's been emotionally abusive to- But Santa Barbara happened. She's literally threw a drink in the man's face. He's calling her a hooker. And then here we are for like a Jax's, fuck Jax party.

And we invited Jesse, like why? Right, so it'll be interesting to see like if they invite Jax to see like if they invite Jacks to things or if they're gonna be like, no we are on team Britney, Jacks is not allowed, and then yeah I mean that would be a slap in the face to Michelle. Congratulations to Dani and Nia for uh 404. They have uh they had the birth of their child recently so congratulations to them. And it's just the fact that they are, this show is putting so much energy

in trying to make them look bad. It just kind of shows what this show's about. This is like, it could be so much better. It really could be so much better if they just like stopped editing it in this fucking way. And Janet found her own storyline. We got an insight into her relationship. Maybe she showed us some cracks in her marriage

or some stuff her and Jason work on or life at home with Janet. I mean, like every scene she has, it's about a fight with someone else. Yeah, Jasmine's the same way. Exactly. You know what's interesting about this friend group is that I don't see the benefit of it.

Like, I don't see them having fun. I don't see them like actually enjoying each other, I don't see them having fun. I don't see them, like, actually enjoying each other. I don't see any of them actually being there for each other emotionally. All I see are, like, them being petty, talking behind each other's backs, being mean to each other. Like, with every other cast, it's like,

you have the drama, but you also see the love. I don't see the love with this cast. Yeah. Yeah, they're just all mediators of the trauma that's happening. I don't see how Ariana's brother's gonna help. No. Well, he'll bring the weed. Julianne Hough though.

Yeah. Please. How do we feel about Rachel Zoe joining the cast of Beverly Hills Housewives? I feel like that's a nice little- I think it's giving Rebecca Minkoff. You do. She was rumored for,

Rachel Zoe was rumored for a while now. Well, and also Rachel had a longstanding show that like started project Gorski and like, yeah, so I'm like, she's already reality TV. How did you say Brad's name? Brad Gorski? Yeah.

What do you say? Goreski. Anyways, he literally was her show is what put him into the, thank you. So I'm like, I feel like it's actually a really good move because Rebecca Minkoff has never had a personality where I'm like, Rachel is, it's kind of a threat.

So I feel like. She had a show, yeah, for a long time. It was a huge show back then. Does she have like rapport with any of these women? I'm assuming she does. I would feel like she would have more rapport with like an Erica or like a Lisa Renna, like somebody who's not actually on the show right now,

but I feel like she's in that circle. Did Bose have a rapport though with anyone? Cause she kind of came in without any ties and she was great. Yeah, I'm with Sierra. I think she has already shown the ability to be a compelling reality TV star where Rebecca kind of showed up as a fashion

Name who was like oh looking to up her brand Yeah, this how you know this oh this I get to be on TV this housewife thing sounds fun And then showed up and was like whoa I did not sign up for this like holy shit like I is Rachel's though And a member of Scientology Making sure we're not getting that storyline again member of Scientology. No. God, please. Just making sure we're not getting that storyline again.

No storyline? I did see a meme of like, the millennials know Rachel Zoe, and then the Gen Z like know of Rachel Zoe. Yeah. And like that's the difference of like, she's going to hit two different demographics, but in different ways. I think that's the same thing for next gen. Like a lot of their parents, I feel like Gen Z is not going to really know

besides some of the housewives. But like Rachel Roy, like, which is not gonna really know besides some of the housewives, but like Rachel Roy, which is crazy because she's iconic, but I do feel like a lot of people probably watching are like, who? Right. Or like, it ends even. Same with her dad.

Like Ava's dad, yeah. Literally. But I know Ava. Right, and that's the proof in the pudding. Did you see Ava Dash was dating Diana Junkin's son and also Crystal Minkoff's nanny? I'm so sorry. So sorry.

What? So she's been in the back of Bravo scenes like multiple seasons. How are we feeling now two episodes in? Are we starting to? I'm still like, no. Episode two was better. Nick made a great point last night

at when we were having dinner and we were talking about it. And he said, is Bravo too old for this show? Like has the age demographic of Bravo elevated to where, now this show is like, ugh, you know? That's a very interesting call out. Maybe it's exactly what they're trying to do, like appeal to a younger demographic and like make Bravo appeal to like Gen Z more.

Yeah, we'll see. They might have to give it some time. Listen, I love the New York vibe. It's slow so far and it's definitely giving to self-aware with some of these characters and it's kind of giving potential doing scenes. Speaking of potentially doing scenes, did you guys see the trailer for Beyond the Villa? Yes, yes. I'm so glad you brought this up.

Are you talking about Kayla and Liv's fight? It looks potentially really rough. It looks potentially rough. Kayla and Liv's fight where she's like, you didn't tell me you were getting glam. And she's like, well, you didn't tell me you were getting a spray tan. Why the fuck do I have to tell you I'm getting a spray tan?

I was like, oh, come on, no, don't give us this vibe. No, listen, I love Kayla. I love Kayla, but I'm scared to say that I think she's probably gonna be doing too much on this new show. Well, I think they're all gonna be doing too much. Y'all, no, y'all, we saw genuine Kayla. We saw genuine fights and upset, and we saw all of that.

So now it looks different because she is aware, and that's, I think, why it's gonna feel like she's doing scenes, is because we've seen the fog, Erin! We've seen her cry, we've seen her sob, we've seen her fight with these women, and so now to have her on this, fighting about a spray tan, it's like, come on, we know that's not you.

It's tough, just because I think that's why sometimes these shows have a hard time landing. And maybe it's just like, you know, maybe it's the trailer, maybe it'll end up being epic, who knows, but Love Island, the format works, right? The show is compelling, you know? That's why they play all these silly games with slime and make out and the bombshell idea

and it's the environment that's what makes it compelling. Bachelor, for example, like a lot of these people aren't stars on their own. It's the show that's the star and yeah, there's some story lines and things like that. It is much harder for an ensemble cast of quote unquote ordinary people to get together and make a season long compelling show.

It's tough to do. I mean, I think everyone, I think PPG, everyone's gonna love, everyone's gonna love Leah, Serena, and Janaye. I think their dynamic is always just gonna be fun and funny and people love that aspect of it. I don't see Aaron or Kendall or even Connor being like that.

I mean, Aaron didn't say a word in the... He said he hasn't had sex with anyone since Kailer, which... Well, no, he didn't. Well, he didn't say it. If you had sex, he goes, literally, they just showed his sad, sappy face a bunch of times. It's like, has he lost his voice?

What is going on? I saw a funny video where somebody was like, put captions under that and was like, lying in a British accent. Yeah, I don't want Liv and Kaler fake fights. I want Liv and Kaler to go up against the PPG and talk about how they feel left out from the PPG and because that feels real. That feels like there's a, you know.

Potterpuff Girls was only three though, I do have to say. Either way, I'm just saying that feels like something I can believe. Some real jealousy of the way like, you know, clearly, Janae, Serena and Leah were like the fan favorites They were the real stars and Kayla definitely, you know had some star qualities and she really popped at the end but like there was a clear distinction between that group and everyone else and that is something I Can believe if they actually lean into that potential storyline not who's mad at who got a fake tanner? into that potential storyline, not who's mad at who got a fake tan or like, that the fuck, and like do not try to sell me like these fake, you know,

if someone's really dating, great, don't force feed me a fake relationship. Yeah, I don't need to see Liv and Connor again, like, you know, I don't know if that's gonna happen, but I've seen it. That, and then did you see that Janay was in the comments because the trailer dropped, and apparently how they edited the trailer together,

it looks like Kenny and her are fighting and that it's apparently like the, I don't wanna be together, I wanna stay apart or something. What are you saying? You didn't wanna live together. I didn't wanna live together. Apparently that's like a line that's like cut in,

but Kenny didn't even say that at that time, but they're trying to like push that like, there's trouble between Jenae and Kenny when there's not. And she's already saying there's not? Yeah, she's she's pissed about it. Like she's in the comments being like, that's why I don't know if the show's going to work. You either have to sell it and go along with it. But like, yeah, where I'm like, they're course correcting as the stuff is coming out.

So that's where it's like. Because that honestly was the most interesting possible storyline of, oh, OK, like and I wasn like, I watched that trailer and go, oh, Janae and Kenny, like, they're gonna break up. It was more like, okay, that's, they're less than a year into their relationship. Should we move in together? Should we not move in together?

Right. That's a real discussion. Real problems. I can see that being, I have fought with ex-girlfriends about being like, one of us wanted to move in together, and the other one was like, I don't think we're ready. But if Janae is gonna go in the comments and being like fake storyline for the trailer,

it's like, oh, I don't know. Well, there's a little bit in there that I'm interested, like, another real thing that happens in relationships is like the one partner is really busy and not making time, and that kinda seems like what's going on with Serena, you know, a little bit in Cordell. But the fact that they put Liv and Kailer's fight about spray tans in the trailer.

It's just like, that's the best you have. Can we talk about Nicole Jackie? Oh yeah, Nicole Jackie shows up. I audibly gasped when I saw her on screen. Did I miss that? She had a sit down with Kendall. Oh really? Where was that?

And they're talking about their breakup. Yeah. Oh, period. She blinks. She has the same energy in the trailer. Yeah, it was like, you guys threw me under the bus. What? Is that what she said?

She was like, you really talk shit about me, you know. She's like, it's okay, you can say it. You talk shit about me. And she was like, say it with your about me, you know. She's like, it's okay, you can say it. You talk shit about me. And she was like, say it with your chest. And that was all. Right, like that's an interesting story. I wonder what she's up to as someone from Sacramento. I'm like, she's just bumping and thumping around

in the capital state. Yeah, she's been pretty quiet on social media, I feel like. I mean, I also have followers, so maybe I just don't follow her, and she's very active, but I just don't see it. That probably would be it. That is so me. I'm like, oh my God, I haven't seen her, so maybe I just don't follow her. She's very active, but I just don't see it. That probably would be it. That is so me. I'm like, oh my God, I haven't seen them at all.

It's like, well, yeah, I actually don't follow them at all. So listen, I hope it's a good show, but the trailer wasn't promising. Especially if Janaye's already upset with them. It's like, ugh, no. Well, I just don't think they're gonna, and again, I fucking get it. I say this all the time.

Like, I would never do these shows. We've been asked to do shows like this. I'm not interested. As much as we like to, from time to time, come on this show and give you like an anecdotal like, oh, drama on our flight. Like, we like our privacy. We wanna pick and choose.

We don't want our life to be story-lined and we don't want that type of attention or fame. And so we don't do it. And this cast feels like what they want is to keep the fame going. Like they had a whole year of being Love Island superstars, right? And now, like, you know, like the Bachelor before them,

when a new season comes out, it's like a very weird feeling, right? Because up into this point, they get all the opportunities, they get all the calls. And now, depending on how well this season goes, it's, you know, they potentially could be forgotten. And so obviously they get this opportunity, they're gonna say yes to it,

but I'm not sure they're willing to do what it takes to make that show successful. Guess we'll see. Yeah, I did like that they sent the baby to Leah and Miguel cause that's like something that they do on Love Island UK where they'll like send them all a baby that's like crying and needing things. And like you watch the couples have to take care of a baby.

And I kind of hope that they like did that with, like I hope that that's what that was. That's funny. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. I think Sierra's afraid to say anything negative about this cast. Why would I be afraid?

I actually love them. I think it's gonna perform to be fair. I don't think people care what they're doing. I have nothing to be afraid of. I'm like, I'm team Leah, I'm team Janae. I'm team Sabrina cordell name them all PPG I hope it's good. I'm gonna watch it regardless. I hope it's good and I agree with Justin I think people will give him a shot the question if it's not good people aren't gonna stick around Yeah, I just hope that the best drama isn't about spray tans. That's all

I just like hope that it's not like a mom talking reverse because watching them on their socials, I enjoy it so much. So I'm like, I hope that it's something that transfers over like mom talk did, but I'm like, it could also be something where they're better off doing daily vlogs instead of doing a long form reality TV channel. That's what I'm saying, that's a perfect example

of like, that's what makes the Mormon wives so special and so talented is because of their willingness and vulnerability and bravery to continue to show their real lives and their real drama and the things that they really care about, what's pissing them off. And so many influencers who are especially online who have a brand to consider and things like that

come off shows like A Love Island and focus on their brand and then they're, and again, no criticism, I totally get it, which is why I'm like, I don't wanna do that shit. You know? So we'll see. Speaking of Mormon wives, did y'all see Michaela's comment under Whitney's video?

Whitney posted like when she makes another video about me, like shading Michaela and Michaela comments, you should have done this in the hospital, it's late. Do you need to pick me up? Michaela's so messy, I love it. I love her. I have a question. Shoot.

I guess maybe my question for Natalie, her Nick, I don't know, but if you're significant, if it's your eight year anniversary and you happen to be on a trip and you finally get a hold of each other, wouldn't you want the first thing that your partner says is happy anniversary? I love you. I love you?

Like, what are we talking about? Yeah, for sure. Angela? Charles Oakley picking up the phone and is just like, what bitch? That's crazy. There's a real love there. I'd be like, we've been together for eight years. That was the craziest thing I saw. That's a real love there. I'd be like, we've been together for eight years.

That was the craziest thing I saw. Should we talk about Brittany trying to sue Bravo, the money grab, that whole mess? I've been saying it. Sierra, you have a visceral reaction. Give it to me. It's just crazy. Like, I'm just like, one second we're like defending her because of this and she's sitting here playing victim, being like these photos and the fact that she's trying to humiliate me and then smash

cut to the end of the season and now you're suing saying that those weren't even you in the in the photos. Like that doesn't even make any sense. You literally had us take your side against Kenya and we're like yeah that was fucked up that Kenya did that now you're claiming that you're not even in the photos. Well and to clarify too what she's claiming is that she wasn't able to see the photos. So Bravo was withholding information

of like what they actually were. So she didn't know until like... Well, Bravo doesn't know anyone. No, no, no, no. But wasn't all those women at that event, wouldn't they be like, oh, that's not Brit. I don't know who that is, but that's not Brit. And then be like, girl, you have nothing to worry about.

That wasn't you on the posters. Well, that's what's lost in translation. Cause we know a lot of the cast members won't say like, it is revenge porn and illegal. It's not considered revenge porn. So it's a whole like convoluted situation. Yeah, but this is, Justin and I talked about this yesterday. This is not like justice for Kenya.

Like whether she's this like a sloppy at revenge and got the photos wrong, if her intent was still to bring up old photos, of pornographic photos of Brett and she just like found the wrong images. Also like who is this girl that's in these pictures now? Like should we like? Justice for a random person in a porno. And then we, no, but then we see her at the end of the episode being like, well, I'm sorry, like, and I'm not trying to slut-shame,

but like, I will say that it's like, she's like, I made some mistakes when I was younger, and like, these things are being thrown in my face. Now you're saying it might not be you, but you're suing for defamation. But then at the end of the episode, you're whipping out your tits like it's like your job. So it's just kind of like in a group of women

that are crying about like her sick baby. Like it's just the whole, her whole vibe just throws me off. I am not a Brit ED fan. I'm glad that she's gone or that she will not be coming back because- Well, and her lawsuit specifically says, defendants contributed to a hostile work environment for ED and sexually harassed plaintiff by subjecting ED to unwelcome offensive and sexualized behavior and comments based on her gender by requiring her to continue working in an environment in which she had been subject to gendered attack. So it's like she's saying that Bravo created this environment.

It's by definition a hostile environment. It's just like, you know. You're on The Housewives. Yeah. What's crazy is Brady files the $20 million lawsuit against Bravo. She won't be back next season, that's for sure. And I feel like honestly, she will probably win this.

Oh, definitely not. You don't think so? You don't think a judge would be like. No, I mean, there's like precedent about this. You know, it's just like, I think someone famously sued the Friends writers or whatever, you know, because for like some things they said,

I think it might have went into the Supreme Court, but there was basically like saying like, this is not like a normal workspace, you know, like this is not like a normal work space, you know, like this is not like showing up to an office space, you know, that specializes in selling insurance and you walk into a room where they're talking about sex and drugs and making crude jokes. Like, I know about hostile work environment isn't her only claim. Yeah, but she also can't say hostile work environment. She's the one talking about pistol whipping people and like, what not?

She's also asking the network to remove the episode from all platforms. So it's like... The episode that they don't show her image. Exactly. It doesn't make sense. It reeks of money grab. I don't think... I mean, I don't know if any of these... All these people suing Bravo, it just reeks of money grab. Isn't her husband going through some sort of legal stuff? Well, yes, her husband also didn't pay back

the country club for the episode we saw. So it's like, there's a lot going on. Her husband's getting sued by the country club that they filmed that weird pop-up party at. I also think- Wait, wait, why is he getting sued? Failure to pay. He didn't pay for renting out the country club for her event, so the country club sued him,

and now all of a sudden, conveniently, she's suing Bravo. I think these are, I think many of these cast members who are suing Bravo are messy, sloppy, reality TV stars who aren't, don't even like, think about the process in which they're going. And I think Bravo has it well documented in many of these cases, these reality TV stars

actively pursuing like a next season, trying to get back on, trying to be, you know, to continue working for the very environment they claim is hostile. And then when they aren't casted then they try to sue. And I think when it goes to litigation in court, like I think, I'm guessing Bravo would probably bring these, these, this information be like, well, it's funny that they are suing us and saying this was a such and such environment because here are all these emails and correspondence

between Bravo and their teams about how they wanted to be on next season. And it only changed once we decided to go in a different direction, you know? But like, these are just, these are sloppy people. Also her like failed event or whatever when she like had the dinner and like it was only for her table, not for everyone. So then she blamed her decorator,

that decorator's come out like speaking out against her. I'm like, she's just notorious for not taking any accountability or responsibility for anything that she does or anything that goes wrong. She blames everybody else for the way that she's being portrayed. Where I'm like, this is what you've done, my girl. We have Bachelor in Paradise cast reveal,

and we have Dale Moss. Justin Glaze. Is that Claire Crawley? Justin's back on it. I actually think I heard that Dale was, Justin Glaze. Is that Claire Crawley? Justin's back on it. I actually think I heard that Dale was gonna be on it. Jonathan, I guess we knew who was gonna go. Kat's back.

I don't know who a lot of these people are, honestly. Cause you didn't watch their season or cause they're not related to Bachelor? Oh, it's the Sam McKinney, the- Wait, read them all. The villain of Gen Season. Oh yeah. Wasn't that Gen Season? Oh, yeah, the villain of Gen season. Oh yeah. Wasn't that Gen season?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Who was like really weird. Yeah, the one who wanted to like push her off the ledge. You know who they didn't post any of the Goldens. Who? Wait, no, I see, I see- Do you? I just don't have the right-

I see some Goldens here. I have got Leslie and- It's gonna be your obvious people. Yeah, Gary. Leslie. Gary's there? Gary. The last season. It. Gary's there? Gary. It's gonna be all the people they've been working with

over the past two years. Zoe, Zoe will be there. We knew that though, right? Hakim is gonna be there. Zoe, who's there? I mean, I'm really only shocked by Justin Glaze and Dale Moss. Jill is going back.

Kat Izzo is going back. All of the rest of them kind of make sense because they were on previous most recent seasons and like. I forgot about Jess. Parisa. Kind of went home. Alex.

Alex is going. But look at what are these photos of them? Bailey is going. Selfie Queen. Oh, Alexi's there. Cat. Cat, Justin. I mean there's.

Andrew Spencer. Oh, Andrew is going back. Who's that? Andrew Spencer's going back? Yeah. I don't have the right. I don't have what he's there. Cat, Justin, I mean there's. Andrew. Andrew is going back. Andrew Spencer's going back? Yeah. I don't have the right link. It's only showing me like. Jeremy Simon.

Spencer's photo is hot. Spencer Simon. Spencer Conley. Oh sorry, Spencer Conley. All the men have shirts and then you get to Spencer. Brian. Okay, April Kirkwood is going from Golden. Kathy Schwartz. It's like two in a studio.

I don't care about Golden. Natasha. Zoe, okay, Zoe Hakeem. Andrew and Justin going back is, I'm gonna say it is a downgrade for them. Like, come on guys. What were they doing? But come on, it's just like you're so far removed.

You've made yourself, like you are who you are and now going back is giving just like... They're not booked in busy though. I don't know, I kinda like when they bring people back from like seasons past. I mean, I'd rather see Andrew than this Brian Oots guy, no idea who that guy is. Do not care either.

I mean, I love watching Andrew and Justin, like they're funny, they're good guys. So I guess I just think like career wise, maybe that like wasn't the best choice, but like it'll definitely make it- It'll definitely make it O.G. feel. It'll definitely make it funny. If they give him...

Is this the entire kit? Oh my God, and then just watch Justin glaze in the corner, staring at like a golden, hitting on like a young girl, and he's just gonna have that look on his face. Yeah. He's just gonna have that look on his face. Him and Hakeem, they literally put the two guys with the facials. We didn't even talk about Hakim being like on Secret Lives

of Mormon Wives. Well, like I didn't notice him. He was just in the background. I did, I noticed him immediately. I think that's pretty good. I texted him all season. I also texted Leia ahead of time. Who's he friends with?

I think he's pretty good friends with Breton to me. Is this a limited, is this like obviously- It's the first cast. Obviously they're not gonna release everyone. I mean, it's 23 people. It's lacking star quality, that's for sure. Dale Moss is crazy. But they're also gonna bring people in, like, week over week,

so hopefully there will be some good bombshells. This is their best. This is their... This is their best. You lead with your stars, you know what I'm saying? Do you? Because I feel like sometimes the bombshell is where it's at. Maybe the first person you bring Cause I feel like sometimes like the bombshell is where it's at, not to use the violent terms. Maybe the first person you bring in, but again, like you wanna have the majority be stars and then maybe you have a couple like OG Bachelor

in Paradise, you know, they would have their biggest stars and then maybe in the original cast, they would have like one night, one early exit person that they thought like had potential that maybe was kind of an interesting thing. Like there's a- Do you think that Justin and Andrew were like, we're only gonna go if one of our boys goes?

Like you think they're like, Justin's like, I'm only going if Andrew goes or I'm only going if Greg goes or Trey Cooper. I think casting was desperate for people and they got asked. I think they paid him a lot of money. Greg would have been a big one. I think I'm good on that. Yeah. I feel like they paid him a lot of money. Greg would have been a big one.

I think I'm good on that. Yeah. I feel like there's not a lot of Definitely. younger female contestants. I don't know. I guess I just have to watch it and wait and see. I just feel like the Goldens are throwing me off

because then it's like in my mind, I'm pairing them up with each other and then I'm pairing off the three people that I recognize. Like, I don't know. Well, we just have to see it, cause it's given hot mess. Well, thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guest, Beldasha.

Be sure to check out the Going Deeper episode with Sherry Papini. We have a great week lined up next week as well. Until then, enjoy your weekend.