The Viall Files - E953 – Going Deeper with Tyler Cameron And Tate Madden

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper edition.  The last time Tyler Cameron was on our couch, he was naked… this time he’s fully clothed and in a wonderful relationship with Tate Madden! The two stop by to give the full story on how they got together, what life has been like as a public couple, the Hadid of it all, and more! Make sure to tune in, you will not want to miss it!    “Nick, can you ask some of your deep relationship questions?" Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  Are you struggling with any sort of dating, relationship, or life dilemma? Do you want all the answers? Email [e-mail] with your question in the subject line to express interest in appearing on the show!  To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Thank You to Our Sponsors: Quince - Stick to the staples that last—with elevated essentials from Quince. Go to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and three hundred and 365-day returns. Thrive Market - Skip the junk without overspending. Head over to https://thrivemarket.com/viall to get 30% off your first order and a FREE $60 gift.  Open Phone - OpenPhone is offering our listeners 20% off of your first 6 months at https://openphone.com/viall  Pura - From commutes to weekend getaways, elevate every drive—and for a limited time, get 20% off Pura Car Pro TM and all car scents with code CAR20. Head to https://pura.com to claim the deal before it’s gone. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @tylerjcameron @tada_itstate

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Hey, have you ever done a podcast date? Kind, I did his, but it was like. Oh, his Patreon thing? Yeah. This is like my very first like. She's nervous. I'm nervous. You're nervous. You're just nervous. You're nervous.

You're being weird. I'm nervous. Are you nervous? I'm nervous. I mean, the first time Natalie and I did a podcast and like that you guys are doing where it was kind of like almost debuting your relationship and speaking on your relationship.

Like I was very nervous and then all of a sudden. But we'd made, it was like, we did our our friends, we were like we're only doing our friends, it has to be like safe space, we have to be able to take shit out, we have to, it was like we're not just doing anybody's. And we still got heat. Yeah. Yeah, I think we'll think you always, well we we've learned quickly you always get heat for for anything. Yeah, I mean listen. People want to cry over spilled milk. for anything. Yeah, I mean, listen. I'm sure I want to cry over spilled milk.

People want to cry over spilled milk. So we're good. We're good. We're good. What's that? We'll get into it. Oh, no, we started. Oh, oh, we started.

Oh, Tyler and Kate, welcome to the house now. Well, you know, we kind of started, but didn't start it. You're crazy. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing.

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It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's beautiful. Welcome back, Tyler. It's been a long time. Last time you were naked, now you're clothed. Yep. I have a girlfriend now, so I think it should be more presentable. Did you have a girlfriend then? No. Yeah, you did. Yeah, I did.

Sure. You definitely did. That's right. We did, yeah. When is your anniversary? October 26th. Yeah. Okay, so that's like when you officially asked her

to be your girlfriend. We kind of like don't. We had three anniversaries before. I was so grateful to get married for no other reason than I could just wash all those other anniversaries away. So what are the three? It was like when we met in New York and then it was like when we like kind of

Started becoming boyfriend and girlfriend and it was like she moved to LA I was like when we got coffee Were you creating these anniversaries or was Nick? Oh, of course it was me. I was like, gift? Yeah Like someone rolled around like, I think we're celebrating, like we're closest to our anniversary. Nick said, I have to have a quarterly anniversary with you right now, every quarter.

And Nick was like, I feel like none of these matter. And I feel like maybe we shouldn't celebrate any of them until we like get married. And I was heartbroken. Yeah, that's helpful. No, I've learned every holiday, every anniversary really matters. Okay, listen, I made the anniversary very easy for him because he doesn't even know his brother's

and parents' birthdays still to this day. He has to really think about it. So he did ask me to be his girlfriend on the, or I guess he made it easy on himself, the day of the gala, the one that you guys came to. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yes, that morning he asked me to be his girlfriend.

Where's Tate? He literally went up, Tate was talking to us and Nick goes, so where is he? The one that you guys came to. Oh yeah. That was, yes, that morning he asked me to be his girlfriend. Where's Tate? He literally went up, Tate was talking to us and Nick goes, so where's Tate? I had never seen a picture of her. So like, I didn't know. I mean, I came in hot with you too, cause I was like fired up to meet you.

And I was like, hey Nick, and I think you were like taken back. You're like, hi, how are you? And I was like, okay, sick. And so then I kind of like just jived off and yeah. But it was fun. And then I was standing there being like, so where's that? I was like, okay, sick. And so then I kind of like just jived off and yeah. But it was fine. And then I was standing there being like, so where's that?

I was like, there's so weird. Now you just met her. Where's this Tate person you've been talking so much about? She's like, I'm right here. It's like, oh, the maniac. I've put myself, I've put my foot in my mouth more than a few times. It's okay.

So what are you gonna do? We all do that. Tate, it's like, I feel like we're, we've talked to this guy like so many times, but obviously a lot of people are very curious about you. Yeah. Yeah. How, like, who are you? I also feel like me and you have,

we can relate very much in this aspect of like being normal, not in the public eye at all, falling in love with someone in the public eye, kind of dating secret, navigating that, navigating the like, they still have appearances to make and things to do. Like I remember on Valentine's Day, Nick and I were seeing each other, we were in New York

and he like did this good morning America date thing and went on like dates with all these women. And I was just like in the green room like, okay. The worst. Fun. So it's like a weird world that I feel like not a lot of people understand. And so I feel like I'm glad we're kind of on the same page

with a lot of things. I feel like they both acted kind of similar. Yes. How did I act? Like a bitch, I'm just kidding. No, but seriously, like I definitely, in your defense, like it was like, it was so new we were dating. We were, I mean, in my mind, I was just like,

I don't even know what we were at that point, you know? But we had definitely, by February, we had been hanging out for five months at that point. Sounds very familiar. Yes, in my head I'm pregnant. So. Yeah. And then like Good Morning America,

like now actually what happened was like now I was set to like come visit, I get, you know, she was coming out to LA. And then like randomly Good Morning America called me up and was like, hey, we have this like idea and like we'd love to fly you out. And at that point, like, you know, I think I had the, I had the show, but like, you know, I think I had the show,

but like, you know, when GMA calls, you're like, kind of exciting, it's going to New York and fun. And you want to say yes to like GMA, like giving you the call. And they're like, yeah. And they basically pitched like me this, like, I would, you know, go on a date with a winner, which was like, and then like, you know,

they would win a date with me. It was really silly and cheesy. And so my mind, I think it's stupid. And then the date we went on was like, we all got, like the producers of the show, we all got a cup of coffee downstairs and I talked to a fan for like six, a few minutes. I just acted as if like this was totally normal

and I didn't even go, I didn't even take the time to like check in. I was like, hey, we're going to New York instead of LA. Can you meet me there instead of flying out to LA? So he didn't preface like that it was. I kinda. He was like, I'm doing this thing for GMA. Yeah, I'm doing this thing for GMA.

It's like not. That's totally like identical. Identical. It's like it's nothing, it's silly, and you're like, oh, you have to make out with all, okay. And then you have to rewind. Maybe you should have told me. You have to rewind and like break it down,

like hey, can you see why this was maybe like, it's a bigger issue now than it could have been if you just would have like maybe just told me a little more information. Yeah. But you were like working for her? Yes. For her, okay, fuck in the box.

Yes. I'm crazy. It's like that Jerry Seinfeld episode. You're too old for me, I don't know that one. Oh my gosh. No, but- He has a housemaid that he starts dating and she's never cleaning the house,

but he's still paying her. He's like, what did I just pay for? Okay, no, I will say that is not like me. I put my work in. I just did the work. You were like running his social media, right? Yes, and then it turned into running his life and then we just were spending more and more time together

because I think we both have similar, like we like to grind and not in that way, but in like the work way. And- They're hard workers people, get your minds out together. Yes, we're very hard workers. And so it was always if he needed an extra hand

or he needed someone to stay late, I was just always like game to like do it. And so I think once we started spending more time together in that way, it just kind of organically. And I was friends with him. Like I was friends with his group of friends. We hung out like as friends too for a while too. And so I will say I think it was the healthiest relationship I've ever gone into because he's

such an open book that I knew everything about him. Honestly, so much of an open book, sometimes you're like, yo, can you just reel it in just a tidbit? So going into it, it was like, I know who you are. I know the person that you are. You're not gonna look all shiny and glittery at first

on a couple dates, and then all of a sudden I turn, like, I find out that you're an asshole. So I definitely felt more confident going into it. At what point did it go from like, this is the guy in the bachelor I work for who Yeah, what point, Tate? Does what he does. Yeah, what point, Tate?

Like all of a sudden, like there being a moment. Listen, you got a tequila brand deal and that'll do it, I'll tell you that. It was a very distinct moment in the back of a car. Going home from the tequila event. Yeah, I think, I mean, I'll always say it, I definitely got Hansi first, but he definitely was like, not, I mean, you were like, come on.

What? Come on. I was like, here I am. So, I mean, definitely got like. So what happened in the back of the car? Like, like a blow job or like? No, a little over the pants, H.J. Oh, a little H.J.

Yeah, and it was over the pants. Like there was nothing crazy about it. I mean, that's kind of crazy since he technically was my boss at that time. But, OTPHJ. Hand job in general is kind of crazy. I know, what a move. Very old school of me.

Going old school is fun sometimes, it's exciting. Yeah, that's where we went. By the time we got home, things escalated quickly. And then I remember right after I just looked at him and I was like, I need to break the ice somehow. So I just like, we'd be like caught eyes. And I was like, HR. And then we both laughed.

And then we were like, all right, let's go to bed. Yeah, but what was the first, when was the first time you guys actually addressed you guys hooking up? Because like, you know, that next day there's always like that awkwardness HR joke, but like there must've been a time where it was like, he panicked for sure.

Yes. Yeah. Well, so mind you, let's back this up. We're in the middle of like filming our, the TV show and like it is hell and like, TV show was over. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't.

We did not hook up while the TV show was being filmed. I believe that. I disagree. I believe that. I disagree. I appreciate it. Anyways. Thank you. Now, he's usually right about timelines and our relationship. And I would pretty good about it.

Because the show went on forever. Yes, it went on for six months, but we... It went on for nine. Oh, nine. But I know for a fact that it was after. Okay. Anyways, go ahead. Anyways, so where I started, like everyone, the whole show,

so part of my show was supposed to be a dating show, right? I went on like six dates with the girls, like extravagant dates, all these different wild things. We had some, like I went on a gator date with this one girl who was a reptile scientist. Someone got bit by a gator on that show. Can I pop in for a second? The producer actually, in the beginning when we filmed,

wanted him to go on a date with me. And he said no. Oh. Because she was working for me then. Rude. At the time. So I was trying to create some type of professionalism inside of my career, you know?

And guys, I'm trying to be an adult. And then the OTPHJ just like really took over. My first day of employment, you were hungover and you asked if we could skip work and we could stay in bed and cuddle all day. So first day of work. I don't think that ever happened. First day of employment, you were hungover and you asked if we could skip work and we could stay in bed and cuddle all day. So, first day of work. First day of work. HR.

He said he was trying to be more professional. He didn't say he was a fan all day, he was just cuddling. That was me trying to be funny, okay? I don't think that ever happened. Okay, so you're filming the show, you're going through all these days. Yeah, we're going through hell,

and I will say this about Tay, she went through the hell with me. Like a lot of my people that worked with me on that show show up and did a lot of the bare minimum or show up, do their nine to five and did a lot of work, but still like once five was like out and done or they were out. Tate though, if it was 4 a.m., she was there at 4 a.m. You know, a lot of people worked, you know, it was hard, but like I just noticed that Tate was like grinding and working her ass off and she was right there with me and then like we Just were spending a lot of time together and then there's this one day

I always say that she wore like a crop top shirt in Yeah, wore a crop top shirt in and like these short jeans everything and I looked at her and I was like Oh, this is gonna be a problem And then I just like I was like we got to stay away from this. And I was like, kind of maybe even like push her away more, but then like work, we were always like on top of each other with all the things that we had to do. So I think I just like grew such like an admiration for her, like her work ethic. And like, I mean, I don't think she wants, she's not trying to be my assistant.

I think she saw this was an opportunity to build something bigger. And I got, I admire that about her and she loved designing houses. She loved being in the heat of all this stuff and, and part of the builds and all this stuff, and she was right there hanging stuff on the walls and the light when we're up at 4 AM getting ready for the reveal the next morning, you know, and then being there first thing, like she was always just down and into it. So I think that was part of it too, was like, I felt like I had a teammate finally where I'm always the one with the work on my shoulders and I'm the one

that has to get it done and find a way, whereas I finally like, damn, I got someone who has my back for the first time ever. Hey, that was nice, thanks. That was so sweet. And then I got an O. Then you got an OTPHA and everything changed. It was really just a cherry on top.

But then, no, so then after the night we hooked up, I go to where I go, you know, we cannot do this again, and we but then, no, so then after the night we hooked up, I go to where I go, you know, we cannot do this again. Like, and we cannot talk about it. Cause like we were still filming cause Kate meant we filmed the reveal two weeks later and Katie goes, why are you being weird? Why did you tell me this? And we had to reveal after that.

So I guess I was right. Um, anyways, so we, like we did this and, uh, I was like, we can't tell anyone about us, like we gotta get this to ourselves was like we can't tell anyone about us Like we gotta keep this to ourselves like can't happen again like just like we got to be pros, you know And I gotta be pro. Well, what like when he said that to you, like do you agree with him? Did you feel like defensive because it was like what do you like like it was a bad thing? No, I didn't think it was a bad thing. I was shocked at how Panicked he looked because we were friends.

So I was making light of it like a joke, kind of like the HR thing, but I kept the joke going. I definitely, again, was friends with him and I did not want to date him, knowing what a maniac he was at the time. It was not on my radar. So- What was your impression,

or your opinion of Tyler at this point when you started working for him? I mean, I always thought that he was a really great person from like day one. Like the people that he surrounds himself with, like the way that I see him always try and put all of his good friends like in positions to win. He's just always trying to think of like different avenues for anyone he cares about like, oh, that would be good for so-and-so to get into.

Like, oh, let me see if I can call someone to like set them up. Like and it was just always like admirable. I was just yeah, I just loved the way that he always like treated people and always wanted them to like reach their fullest potential. And if he could help them in that way, he was going to. And so that aspect of him, I just knew he was a good person. There was also another side of him where I knew when he would go out with his friends, I knew. And his friends are so much fun.

And again, he's single, so as he should, but he was crazy. So he definitely didn't look like someone who was trying to like settle down or like be in a relationship or be in love. I knew that if I was smart, I mean, which I think I am a lot of the times, I mean, I couldn't, it was pretty black and white.

Like, hey, you can have fun and this is your friend, but like, we're not trying to, not trying to do anything else other than this, but. So you were surprised that he freaked out, because you're just more like, isn't this what you do? Yeah, exactly. I'm like, isn't this what you do? And also, give me a little more credit,

I'm cooler than that, I'm not gonna fall in, oh my God, now I'm in love with you. I think he thought that I was gonna be like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with you. It was amazing, and I was just like, okay. Was it that, or was it more like, I was being a was gonna be like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with you. It was amazing. And I was just like, okay. Was it that or was it more like I was being a little unprofessional and like I shouldn't have done that?

It was more of like the unprofessional side of it. You could say that it was a little of both. Cause remember when we decided that we were just gonna have a little fun, you were like, we can't do this. Like, what did you say? You know, someone always falls in love and he kind of got like quiet after that. And I'm like, you mean like someone always falls in love and you kind of got quiet after that

and I'm like you mean like I'll fall in love with you? Which. I don't know. I don't know. I'm getting tors. So yeah, you definitely did have a little bit of that. Yeah, I just like, part of it too is like, I was still like in maniac mode,

like me like enjoying being a single. mean like enjoying being single and like. Fucking dog. Yeah. Yeah. And so part of it too was like I wanted to protect her from me and like all of my life, I've had a, I'd say like a few good people in my life that have been girls that I've like thought about dating and I've always ran away from knowing that like

I wasn't there. And I pretty much was like thinking about like her as that, I was like, she's such a great person, I don't wanna drag her into what I am right now because it's not good for anybody. And so I was like, stop telling nobody, let's keep this, this can't happen again. Let's just finish up everything.

And then I love working with you and let's keep it going. Yeah, we did work really well together. So I mean, it really was a toss up on if this didn't work. Like I did feel, I'm like, damn, I'm like, I love working with him because we have the same energy when we work. Like we'll just do what we need to do to get it done. So that was probably the scariest part was thinking, dang, I finally found something that like I truly enjoy and like someone who matches like my energy

in that aspect, that this doesn't work, I feel like it'll just be so awkward that it's like, okay, I'm not dating him and I like. Yeah, I don't have a job. Well, you guys started talking about how similar you two were and another similarity is like, we had different reputations, but both Ty and I had big reputations. Once Nalina started dating, she started learning about what my reputation was and how strong

and of opinion some people had about me. And Tyler, again, he comes in with this very dominant reputation, and his reputation being the ladies' man of Bachelor Nation. It's one thing to be a guy on a show his reputation being like the ladies man of Bachelor Nation. It's one thing to be a guy on a show that's followed by women. Hell, even as a divisive character,

I did just fine as a single guy. But he's the guy that's just like, every woman is supposed to, he's the heartthrob. Do you ever, honestly, I'm curious, I've never asked you, did you ever feel that pressure, like that you were supposed to act a certain way where it was just like you were truly objectified. I mean, I'm sure sometimes it's fun, but like it,

did it ever get annoying and frustrating? Well, I think it creates a pressure of like either you have to be single and live up to it and like be always available and be the bachelor type guy like, and you know, around. And like, so I was like, it's more profitable to like be always available and be the bachelor type guy and, you know, around. And like, so I was like, it's more profitable to be single and wanted than it is to be with somebody, you know, it was like, was like kind of

like one thought process and then like, it just like became, you know, I think too, like when I met like getting to know you and me around you, I was like, you know, the type of girl you just date and hook up with, like your other type of girl, like you ended up marrying, like, because you possess all the qualities that would make an amazing mother and an amazing wife and an amazing best friend. So I was like, telling myself, like, if you're not ready to fully go down that route, you don't mess this up.

We don't mess her up. You know what I mean? So like, that's what I was like kind of fighting and battling. And then it was also like me losing being single, like does that ruin the reputation of who I am, like you're saying? You know? And so it was like, it was kind of juggling all that

to come to a decision. And then finally I was like around her so much. And you know, like I could still feel like sometimes like I would like run away with the boys and we could go have a wild weekend still cause we weren't together. And like, I could see like affecting us, you know? And I was like, you gotta come to a decision here soon

and make it. So how long was that like kind of fucking around? It was probably like two months, I would say like two months of just like messing around. I know the first time I thought like, oh my God, does he like me? I think I've told you this before. When I slept over?

Yes, so he was doing something in Miami, and as he does, like he never, you know, checks in or anything, like we were just having fun. And he always would, like, I think there was like another night of something, and he called me at like 5 a.m. And he was like, hey, are you at home? And I was like, yeah. He's like, oh, I just don't feel like driving

all the way to my house like 15 minutes longer. So I'm just gonna come to your house and sleep. And I was like, okay, what? So I'm like waking up and like my little sister comes out because we were living in an apartment together. She comes out of her room, she's like, what are you doing? I was like, I don't know, Tyler wants to like come like sleep. Were you like cleaning or are you like picking up?

No, I was just like, I didn't know like why, like what was going on? And I guess she just heard me out there and I was like, I don't, like he just wants to come like sleep. She's like, why? I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, this is so weird. So she was like, I think he likes you.

I was like, he doesn't like me. I'm like, this is so weird. So then he like, I think he likes you. I was like, he doesn't like me. I'm like, this is so weird. So then he comes over. It's definitely sounds, feels like a scene. You just watch it around calm. Yeah. And so then I'm like, he gets there. And before this point, every time like we hooked up,

we would kind of like this bump or high five and we'd turn around and like we'd sleep. Like it was not like we weren't lovey-dovey. We were snuggling at all. And he came over driving home and slept and just, I laid in bed and he just grabbed me and like, we just cuddled like the whole night. And I remember I just laid there in bed

while he was cuddling me. Eyes wide open. Wide open, like freaking out. I'm like wondering what was going on. That is so funny. I have that same memory with Nick of like, it's like just hooking up and it's like really, you don't like, it's not that serious. You're like just cool.

And then you like kind of start to get feelings and they start kind of showing more affection. And then, yeah, like the going to bed and like him wanting to cuddle. I was like, wait, he's obsessed with me. I'm like, be cool, be cool. It's like, yeah, I know you're obsessed with me. He's literally obsessed with me. So it's crazy.

Do you remember that time? Yeah, I don't remember like that, you know? What made you want to call her that time? I just was like, I don't know. I think it was like one of those things where you're just like wanting comfort and like someone to be like, you know, I think a lot of of those things where you're just wanting comfort and someone to be alright. I think a lot of this time in the light is fun, but it's also very lonely, as much as it doesn't seem lonely.

And then it's like, I finally have someone who's starting to become your best friend if you like it. You wanna be around them. And I think it was one of those turning moments. There was many of those moments that come throughout. I was like, oh, that's a big turning moment. That was a big turning moment. That was a big turning moment, you know? So then the next morning, he wakes up,

he brought a bag in, like a duffel bag. He wakes up the next morning, he has to go to do something for work. And I'm getting ready and I notice his duffel bag is like laying in my room. And in my mind, I'm like, why would he leave his duffel bag? That doesn't make any sense. Like it's just a tiny bag.

And so then I'm showing my sister, of course, and she's like, Oh my God, he like left his bag as he like wants to come back here. This is how girls think. And I'm like, no, I'm like, that's weird too. So then I'm making dinner that night and he just calls me and I'm like, he's like, Oh, I left my bag there. Should I come get it? And I'm like, yeah, you can come get it. I'm just making dinner. He comes over, lays down on my couch when he gets in and is like taking a nap. And I'm cooking dinner. And the whole time, my sister and I are just catching eyes. Like she's at the table and I'm just cooking.

And we're kind of just like, not knowing what to say. What? You made meatballs. I did. So we're like looking, so then we're like sitting, we're eating dinner. Everything's fine. Everything's going good. And still things are kind of weird.

And I start to clean up dinner and he's like, still there. And so I'm like, doing the dishes now, everything's done. He's still just sitting at the table. And so finally, I'm like, OK, I want to go to bed. So I kind of look at him, I'm like, hey, so like, are you staying here again? Are you like leaving? Because I'm going to like go in the room. And I went and like walked to the door or something,

and I walked back to my room and he was like tucked under the covers. So I go ready to go to bed. I was like, get a neat mask on. So I just like slid in next to him and like fell asleep. And yeah, then the next day it was. But like you were happy about this? No, I was happy. I was just like, what is going on?

Cause he doesn't speak like, I mean, he does a lot more now obviously, but at that point I think he was so confused. You guys do that, I don't know why. At his feelings, like he didn't communicate anything. And I think it was like a moment where he's like, well, maybe if I just like, just start doing it, like it'll just, it'll just like happen.

Like, I don't need to talk about it. Wait, so you cooked and cleaned and he just sat there and watched you? Yeah, I don't know. I think you're like, I you cooked and cleaned and he just sat there and watched you? Yeah, I don't know. I think you're like, I'm cooking and he's sitting on the couch and I'm cleaning and he's still sitting there. Natalie, we're still at, I'm a guest period.

Yeah, sure. He doesn't wanna impose. He doesn't wanna overstep boundaries. I think his wheels were turning. I think it would mean more if I was doing that. Yeah, that's true. Evita, but I'm fascinated hearing Tate's story because again, I'm sure you do have a different version

of that. The way Tate's telling the story, I remember and I've talked about it in different ways, but when I was like, do I actually do this thing? Do I date this person? I've been so afraid for different reasons. And so finally I was just kind of like, I just kept thinking of all the reasons why it wouldn't work out, you know? And then I was just like, well, I've been doing this with do it and I can, it could, it could just not work.

Or it could be the best thing that ever happened. Yeah. You know? And so, but I had to have a conversation with myself and like tell myself to just do the thing that I was so afraid of doing. Did you ever like, whether it was that night or prior to that or after that, do you remember a time where?

Yeah, I think I've had a lot of conversations with myself, you know, in my head, because I was, like I said, I thought she would be the most amazing mother, the most amazing wife, and best friend at all these things. And I was just like, if you do this, like you gotta go do it, you know what I mean? And it's like, you can't half ass it

and you gotta treat her 100% right. So I was just like, it was one of those things, you're gonna give up one life to do another. And there was many signs that I wanted to be with her and many things that I want. She's the first person I ever dated that reminded me of my mother in like all of the good ways. And like I'm not asking Tate to be my mom or like take care, but I'm talking about just like

the way she like lights up a room, the way she is just so much fun and energetic. But also like my mom was the hardest working person and Tate's the hardest working person I've ever met, you know, and I was just like, damn, I see all the best qualities I ever had. And like to me, the greatest woman I've ever had growing up, you know, in her. So I was like, she would be like, just made me think of how amazing my mom was to us, like how she will be to her own, you know. And so this is one of those things is like, if you don't do something, though, you're also going to probably lose this opportunity to be with the best person you probably have ever been with, you know. And so I was like, let's just try let's just give it a shot, you know? And, you know, I think, you know, when it came time to the gala,

we were like living together essentially at this point, you know, and I was like, I would hate for this girl to have all these people in town asking, so what are you guys, how's it going? Who's this? You know what I mean? I was like, I need this girl to be my girlfriend. I want her to have the best time. I want this to be a great relationship.

Like, this is a great way to kick it off. Let's do it, you know? I appreciated that. Cause I wasn't having an anxiety about it. That's a nice thing. I mean, not be a great relationship. Like this is a great way to kick it off. Let's do it. You know, and. I appreciated that. Cause I was having an anxiety about it. I mean, not that, I mean. And I, I woke up really early that morning and like ran to publics as soon as they opened. And then of course I'm like, where are you?

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Thank God. Yeah. She's like, she checked no, but I've been holding it hostage. But I just kind of stayed. So, I mean, that was kind of like how it all started. We're not big on trans, but we are big on clothes that feel good and last. And that's why we keep going back to Quince.

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My mom, like, that was part of it too, is that my mom would love Tate. And I think of Tate? My mom, like, I was part of it too, is that my mom would love Tate. And I think of all the girls I've dated in the past, like, I was like, my mom, like, would be like, it's like 2.0, but you know, but- They'd be like best friends. Yeah, they would just have so much fun together.

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A good smell. A good smell. Like she always wore perfumes and she always, you know what I mean? And I've never noticed that on anyone else, you know? And then Tate had, I was like, I remember that one time, I was like, whoa. It was like the same perfume?

It wasn't the same perfume, but it was like a strong distinct smell. I was just like, and it like made me think of my mom right away, I was like, this is crazy, you know? And so I was just like, all these things were like signs. How soon did you meet Tate after your mom passed? It was like three, four years later. Wow. Yeah.

That's crazy. Do you feel like maybe there's a world in like your mom, like. Put Tate in your life. I think so. I think I mean, I think she's like a she I mean, Tate has been a blessing. Yeah. You know, either way, you know, I think so. I think it's like something I'm very grateful for and glad I took the leap,

because I guess I've always been scared to do like like not been scared to mess around with the wrong ones, but always been scared to mess with the right one, because the right one, you know, like that's end game. You lose them, yeah. You know what I mean? I think also I was your friend, like, yes, we worked together, but we were friends. I think you respected me as a friend.

So I think that also went into play, like other girls, you didn't have have that type of relationship where she was hanging with your group of friends and stuff. It was kind of like, you know. Yeah, I feel like what I have most of all in my relationships, I have my best friend. And I think every other relationship I've had is like, I had the girl I was like, a girlfriend.

You know what I mean? Where here I have my best friend too. And I have someone that we get up and we do everything with like, like when she's 80 and I'm bringing 20 sometimes and she's, or sometimes it flips and sometimes we catch it and we're both a hundred and it's sick, you know, but a lot of it's too much. All the walls are getting demolished. How were you nervous about once people started learning about you being in Tyler's life and

the role you played in it? Like, because the internet is like very mean, especially to women, like Natalie's gone through a hell of a time dating me as a result of like my audience and things like that. And obviously like Tyler's audience is,'s audience is a certain kind of audience with certain expectations of Tyler and you're kinda coming in and maybe to some people ruining that. Because again, I was notoriously single, but Tyler was famously single.

And was that intimidating for you? What was that like? Yeah, I mean, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't. I mean, as much as you want to like put be like, I'm so cool and not bothered by anything. Of course, I had a tidbit of like anxiety as far as, oh, he's obviously very beautiful and like so many girls want him. So I was just like waiting for people to be like, that's what he ended up with. Like, oh, my God, this like beautiful man, like that's what he like that's his endgame And so like that was always like in the back of my head

I will say a lot of people like the majority so nice they like cheer me on they like hype me up But of course you can have so many good comments and it's always the one it's like I mean a lot of people are like, wow, he went from Gigi and Paige to this, like, oh my God. And it's like, jokes on you guys, I know they're stunning. I would love to look like,

I mean, I love looking like myself too, but I think we're all fine, and yeah, he dated beautiful people, of course, and I'm sure they were wonderful. But also I'm like, should someone just marry them? Like should he get married to someone just because they're better looking than me? Like what's going on?

You also don't give yourself an, like you're beautiful and stunning. And I love bringing you to like all these like influencer events and these like, whatever these things are, stagecoach, all those things. So I'm like, see, like they ain't that fucking special. Like, you know what I mean? Like you're- It's that Instagram filter. Yeah, I'm like, see, like they ain't that fucking special. Like, you know what I mean? Like you're-

It's that Instagram filter. Yeah, I'm like, you're beautiful. Like you almost feel like you're supposed to like concede to like Gigi Hadid, you know, because like she's literally known as a super model as it's like- Well her ex Bella dates now, so. She's been bagging people forever.

Y'all kept her family. Both Hadid sisters. That's my biggest flex. She'd been bagging people forever. It's just a mindfuck. What was it like for you at first? I remember like distinctly, I think having a conversation with you being like, I'm not ready to like tell the world yet. Like it was like very scary for me. And I think it's because people kind of like caught wind. I was like, took a selfie in the backyard

and someone like matched up. Like it was, and I remember it. Yeah, and I was getting like DMs already and we hadn't even like posted anything. And I just got really nervous. And I remember being like, I'm just not ready for this. Like, I think we should wait. Cause like once you invite a third party

into your relationship, it's very hard. And especially for someone who's not used to it and has never had to worry about like... Yeah, the stuff that people come at her for is just, they're just, a lot of them are trying to find things, so they make issues over spilt milk. You know what I mean? I mean. Like literally and figuratively, you know,

and it's just like a lot of you have to think about it's like projection of themselves. It's like things that they wish they had or they don't. You know what I mean? And I've gotten so much shit you've got. It's like we're trained for this, you know? And so when you get now, I'm sure you're much more trained for it now. And like now you're thrown into the fire, which is like a scary thing. Like we're throwing you to the wolves and like you got to kind of just learn I'm sure you're much more trained for it now. And like, now you're thrown into the fire, which is like a scary thing. Like we're throwing you to the wolves

and like you gotta kind of just learn how to take the punches and roll with it. It sucks. And like. I think people like to create their own stories too. Cause if not, like nothing's interesting. So it's like, they like to create what they think it is. And then someone else likes what they've created.

So then they chime in and then it just rolls. We've always said the truth is never as viral or interesting or juicy as whatever this person's story has made up. And it dies. And it dies. It dies, and at the end of the day, it's like, I don't know them, they don't know me.

Why would this affect my life when I literally have never, probably will never ever meet this person. But like what advice or help has Tyler given you as you have started to like grow your platform and people are starting to give opinions to you that aren't warranted? Honestly, Tyler being in a relationship with him

and I say this to him all the time, it doesn't bother me as much when people, if they decide to shit on me online because he's the first boyfriend I've ever dated who truly lets me be my 100% full self and he loves it too. I've dated guys who've pretended like they like how fun and outgoing I am and act like it's oh my god you're like the. And then we'll get further into the relationship and they've like got me and then all of a sudden everything I do is like bad and they make me feel bad for everything and I start to hate myself. So it's easy to like shy away like these stupid comments because I mean, he is like my biggest hype man. If anything, like he's like telling

me go dance more, go be crazy or go, he's like, he loves it. And like, I always catch him like watching me from the sidelines, just like with light in his eyes. I'm like, oh my gosh, I've never had someone just fully, like just absolutely love who I am. It's taken out such like the mind game of it, where I feel like in past relationships,

it was like, I'm such a people pleaser that I was always just trying to think of like, okay, if I just do this, then they'll be happy. Or if I just do this, then they'll be happy. And like, okay, if I just like reel it in a little bit, like then like they won't yell at me. And I don't even think, this was a joke one time, which actually isn't a joke and I'm probably toxic.

But he said one time when we were joking, I was yelling at him to do something, he's like, did you talk to all your other boyfriends like this? And I go, no, because none of them have ever been as nice as you are to me. Yeah, I was scared. And he was like, wait a second.

And I was like, you know what? That's actually kind of messed up. But it's true. Like I don't think, I used to sit in bed and think about like every scenario that could happen or what would I say if this happened or this and that. And it's like, I'm so open, we're so open, we know everything, it's just so much easier,

it's such a nice feeling to not feel like you're trying to conform and shape shift into who this person thinks that you should be. And yeah. I remember like, I remember early on, she'd be like so afraid cause like she thought she messed something up. Was almost like cowered from me.

I'm like, yo, what's wrong? You know, I'm like, she's like, well I mess this up and I don't want you, I'm like, who gives a shit? You know what I mean? Like she got- When you say mess up, what do you mean? Like for instance, this is a really like, she got, she got in,

she used to drive my truck and got T-boned. Right? And when she got T-boned, she called me freaking out, I'm so sorry about your car. I'm like, fuck the car, are you good? You know what I mean? And I get there and she's so worried about the car, the car, the car, me being mad at her.

And I'm just like, you're healthy, your're like, your sister's healthy, everyone's good. Like, thank fucking God. Like that stuff, no, money or not, like that stuff, we'll figure it out. You know what I mean? And she was like, and then like, I remember they were like, oh my God, like my ex would have freaked out on me. And like, you know, went ballistic on me.

I was like, why? Like, I don't know. I also grew up in a household like, where like, my parents fought a lot and I don't know. I also grew up in a household where my parents fought a lot and I don't like to fight. If you get me to yell, I must be losing my mind about something because I try to never fight. I have a hard time speaking up about things

that I don't like just because I've been around combativeness my whole life. I just like, we'll do anything to avoid a fight. Do you think that's something you've had to work on because at some point you guys need to like I have to be better About speaking up about things and like I think I'm better with us Sometimes she'll know because I'll get quiet about things and she's like, what is it and then she'll pull it out of me And then you're gonna talking though One another moment where I was like, oh my gosh, is when we, pretty early on, I was

like after the gala when we have like officially were dating, I was upset about something. And I have a hard time speaking up too, because I just felt like everything I would say in like previous relationships was wrong. And so I would always try to say it like as eloquently as I could, and then it would always just make it worse, and I would end up crying. And it was like, okay, well, I should just shut up and not speak. And one time I got upset, and he came over to me, and he's like, get off the computer, stand up.

He's like, we're going for a walk. And he made me take a walk around the neighborhood with him, and he's like, I can't fix what's going on, and I can't be better unless you communicate to me like what it is that I did or like what is bothering you. And it was such like, I was probably like a deer in headlights to like the first night we snuggled because I was like so taken back that I was like, oh my god, like, we're gonna just talk.

Like we're not gonna yell like I'm not gonna cry. Like, this is crazy. So it's yeah. I will tell gonna yell, like I'm not gonna cry, like this is crazy. So it's, yeah. I will tell you though, when I do get in these little arguments with her, she's so logical and so good at remembering everything, I just get crushed. How do y'all fight if you do fight?

I think we just like, if something's up, like either we'll like get into it right away and then we'll settle it right away. Like does one of y'all need your space and then you'll come back and you'll pull down? Sometimes we do. Yeah, sometimes we do. It's on and off.

I think most of the time, if it's something that he does, the reason that we can kind of get over it so quickly is I find that he doesn't, it's not like he's intentionally trying to like do whatever he's doing to like irritate me or like, you know, piss me off. So it's easier to be like when he explains it and I'm just like, okay, you're just,

you were just an idiot. It makes it easier to just kind of like roll past it. As long as I'm like, hey, like I'm acknowledging that you're an idiot, but like please acknowledge that like maybe let's do that a different way. Like the next time you decide to do that. But I mean, like it's interesting. You weren't in the public eye.

Nellie wasn't in the public eye. I don't know about you, but like, did you ever give any thought like once you were in the public eye, once you had dated some monster celebrities, there is an element of like, it's kind of sometimes easier to date people in the public eye because you don't get like, I've been on dates where it's like,

what was like so and so like, or they pretend not to have watched. And then it's just like, and they just make you feel kind of weird, you know? But I've dated like celebrities and that's a whole nother kind of weird, you know? And like've dated celebrities and that's a whole, another kind of weird, you know? And were you surprised that you ended up with someone who didn't start in the public eye or give thought

to whether you preferred someone who did or didn't? The reality is our world is weird. It's not normal. We normalize our lives and then we forget how unnormal it can be when we get into a relationship. And I'm, again, like how this whole conversation started, we're like, hey, I'm doing GMA, I got a thing. And she's like, this motherfucker invited me to a date

he's on with another person. Sick. And Nellie would bring that up a couple times. And in my mind, I'm just thinking like, calm down, what's the big deal? I felt like she was making a big deal about something that wasn't. Yeah, well, I think I've run into that a lot of times. I was thinking like, calm down, what's the big deal? I felt like she was making a big deal about something that wasn't.

Yeah, well I think I've run into that a lot of times. She's like, if you would've just explained it more to me, I would've felt more comfortable in this situation. And we overlook it, because we just think things are so normal. And so that has been a huge learning lesson, is talking things through, what it is, and why we're doing it this way.

Especially early on in the relationship, when we were keeping under the wraps and everything like that, it was just like, we're doing it this way. Especially early on in the relationship when we were keeping under the wraps and everything like that, it was just like, we're doing it this way because the show, and you know what I mean, it was just all that. I will say you've gotten significantly better at just keeping me in the loop. In the beginning, it was very frustrating

because I would always just wanna be in the loop. But then when I would say that to him, he would take it as me telling him not to do stuff. And he'd be like, this is my job. And he would make it like, this is my job. What do you want me to do? This is the things that I have to do. And it was never about like, hey,

I don't care if everyone else thinks that if you go on a talk show, you're dating someone that you were on a talk show with or whatever. But if you go on there and I don't know that you're gonna be on there like, and this girl's flirting with you and all this different stuff, like I feel stupid. No, totally.

I don't care if the rest of the world thinks I'm stupid because ha ha, they don't know that I'm in the loop. Right, yeah, totally. I mean, I remember Nick and I were fully, you know, not dating, but definitely. We were together. And he posted an Instagram picture with and like made a caption like very flirty and everyone in the captions was like, Oh my gosh, y'all should date, date, date, date, date.

And I was like, why? Like what? I'm sitting at home in Georgia, like not with this man being like, Oh my God, I'm like, am I stupid? Like, what the hell? And if he just would have been like, hey, I gotta do this bit for Instagram. People are gonna lean in and it's gonna be stupid,

but like, don't worry. And that's kind of like what a lot of this stuff is, is that we just do things because we know it's gonna get a reaction. And we know that it's just like, because the whole part of this game that we're playing is just keep getting reactions, keep getting reactions, keep getting, you know what I mean?

So now I think our game is hopefully getting reactions to the houses reactions, keep getting, you know what I mean? So now I think our game is hopefully getting reactions to the houses we build and design, you know? But what I recently, there's been like some, you threw like a milk jug or something, some milk at like a DJ. So you've been getting heat? Oh yeah, it's actually my first round of like people just- Like you done it.

Like really hate me, me because of this. Which, I'll say this, from an outside perspective looking in, it's a lot. Our friend at Country Night, they are DJs, so they were DJing at the day party that Tyler's been putting on in Jupiter at this bar called Topside, and they bring jugs of milk when they DJ places. And they're my friends.

We also had our friend JP there who's a maniac. So he like hypes me up and whatever. Anyways. I'm gonna look like Mrs. Doubtfire. I'm a maniac to begin with. Like if anyone knows me, like I don't care if I'm in, here I am, yeah. She's just like drowning herself in milk.

And then I fall, which everyone's like, oh my gosh, she's blackout drunk, which I mean, I don't know if this helps or doesn't help because maybe if I'm blackout drunk, it will make me not look so stupid. But I really had only had like two or three drinks. Like I was not blacked out at all. Like I went home, ate dinner,

and then I went somewhere else like later that night. But there was one point where I slipped because the milk is so slippery when you wear cowboy boots and Tyler tried to help me up and I push him away and I'm like, no, I've got this. And in my mind, I was thinking, oh, when people crowd surf and they don't get caught and they fall on the ground and then the crowd goes silent.

But then they pop back up and everyone's like, yeah! That was what I wanted to do. And in my mind, I was gonna do it where I was like, no, like, don't help me. I got this and I was going to do a cool trick and pop back up. But then I slipped on the milk again when I tried to do my cool trick. But anyways, everyone's like, she's so rude, like he's such a gentleman. He's trying to help her up and like she's such a bitch. Like, how could he be like out of everyone?

Like, how could you be a blah, blah, blah? They hated that I pushed him away. He's such a bitch. Like, how could he be, like, out of everyone? Like, how could you be blah blah blah? They hated that I pushed him away. And it really wasn't that serious and it wasn't that deep. And I blame him. He's hyping me up. He was like, yeah, pour the milk, dance. Like, and he posted that video while I was sleeping.

I was like taking a nap. Wait, you posted that? The milk video he posted while I was asleep. Yeah, and he posted dancing videos, but the slippery milk made it look like I was way more wasted than I actually was. You were just slipping. Yeah, and then people have to bring in like,

oh, that's like the chick that you wanted to be like the mother of your children. And I'm like, okay, can we just relax? Yeah, they love to sleep really far. Yeah, and they're like, oh my God, can you imagine being her mom? I was like, my mom thinks I'm awesome. And my mom would be pouring the milk on her as well, and we'd relax like? Yeah, they love to do it really far. Yeah, and they're like, oh my God, can you imagine being her mom? I was like, my mom thinks I'm awesome. And my mom would be pouring the milk on her as well,

and we'd be in it together, so. But. People do come out of like the woodwork with crazy comments. I just said this the other day, but we posted our like full wedding video on our anniversary and someone commented, wearing a full length veil while fully having birth to a child seems ironic.

I'm like, what? The things people like. You wanted me to wear a red dress? Yes. I guess. Like with an A on it. Like symbolize virginity. Oh yeah.

There's like all the, you know, the white dress is, it's all like. They were slut shaming my wife. Yeah. Yeah. They were calling me a whore. Yeah. I don't know.

They said I looked like I was having no fun. Yeah. Yeah, they were calling me a whore. Yeah. I don't know. They said I looked like I was having no fun in the video. Yeah. I'm like, okay. No. I replied, I'm sorry you're hurting. I got a lot of likes. Yeah. I just like, like even that whole video,

I've posted like six videos of her dancing and they all like, it's all fun. Like, cause I love watching her dance. Like I'm always a cheering her on. Like I have so many videos of her dancing just cause it's like, like she does this stupid ass move, and I freaking love it. He loves when I grapevine.

Yeah. And so I think it's so fun, because I've always been loving around the person who likes to go for it, and likes to give it their all. And whatever we're doing, she always does that. Do you feel like your past girlfriends have been too cool? Yeah, and I hate that. Because if you meet any of my friends,

we're all, we're the village idiots. Yeah. We're all having fun, we're all cutting up, we're all getting down. And like she's one of the village idiots like us, you know? And like we don't go out that much, so when we do, like we'll go for it, because like why sit on your ass?

Also, he's the one like hosting these day parties. So I'm trying to actively, like I want them to act of, I want them to be a success for him. I mean, I probably could have gone a more mellow route. But- Like it's a creative choice at least. Yeah, thank you.

But even the day parties that he had previous, it's like, I am trying to get everyone excited. I'm trying to get everyone up dancing. I am trying to create like a fun space for everyone to just like let loose. You were literally thinking of your boyfriend. I was thinking of Tyler, you guys. No, I just, I love it when she's like cutting her rug

and like making moves, like it just, to me it's fun. I enjoy it and that's all I thought it was, you know? And like people were like, oh, you push away. I'm like, that's a guy, If your girl falls, go help her up. If she doesn't want the help, let her be. You're like, don't take a, I took zero offense to it. I was just there every time she fell and I knew she was gonna keep cutting,

moving, keep doing it. When I saw it though, I was like, it does look rude. Like the way that it's, like, I know what I was thinking in my mind, but like it looked rude. So I knew as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh, people are gonna like have something to say about this. Sure, yes, we can, it's very easy to watch,

certainly a picture, but definitely a video to interpret it in a million different ways. Yeah, again, people love to make stories. Yeah, I just, like, I think, I don't know, I don't think it looks rude, I think you start to think it looks rude because of what people say. The one issue I have with comments,

and it's even happened to me, like the more people comment, the more shit you read, the more you become trigger shy and posting the stuff you do. Like, I think about the stuff I used to to me like the more people comment the more shit you read the more you become Trigger shy and posting the stuff you do like I think about the stuff I used to post like when I came out the back I was wild and like letting shit rip and it was funny It was this it was that but then you say something here and it didn't work for something then you start kind of getting More sensitive and more sensitive Nick always has a handcuffs you creatively. It does it does and so it's like I Get upset with her when she's like reading this stuff.

I'm like, don't, because like, it'll start to be in the back of your mind when you're starting to think about saying something or doing something. You think about this one person. Yeah, you know, like, I call it 80 to 20, we're like 80% of it's great, 20% of it sucks, like why focus on the 20? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

I think that's definitely like one thing that Nick has very much instilled in my brain that I'm very grateful for because in the beginning I was definitely like reading every comment. I was like scouring Reddit being like, what do these people think of me? Like I need acceptance from anonymous strangers. And then it was like so fucking mean. And Nick was like, you have to stop reading this stuff. The good stuff doesn't matter.

The bad stuff doesn't matter. You just like can't read any of it. And honestly, it's different. And I was like, by the way, no one fucking likes me on Reddit. So like, don't go looking for a compliment. You won't find it. Yeah, it's just like at the end.

And I think like Benny Blanco was just like in an interview saying all of this where he like, he doesn't read it. Because it's like the good comments aren't good for you because you believe them. Cause you're like, oh my God, like I am beautiful. Thank you. And then you read the hate comment and you're like.

Well, they're both strangers. They're both strangers. So you have to believe the bad if you're gonna believe the good. And think about it. Do you think, like think about your close friends. This is how I was trying to think about it. I think about your close friends.

Do you think they're the ones that would go on to Reddit and be an anonymous person and sit there and have conversations about people they don't know all the time? Or do you think they would be the ones with a fake profile like commenting mean stuff on people's stuff? Like our close friends wouldn't be the ones doing that. Like you're gonna realize what kind of person that is.

You know? And so it's like, don't stoop to that level and like, don't let the people that are at that level affect what's going on in your brain and your creativeness and, and, and, and, and your self-conscious, you know, like who you think you are. Cause it sucks. It like, it fucks everyone up. And like, I think we're all ignorant to say it doesn't because it all, at one point, like we've, we've been through the wringer, you know, like, and then now you all getting thrown to it. Yeah, that's just hard. Thanks guys

I and I do think you know, the sad part about it is that like one day it's gonna end really bad for somebody Yeah, and it's gonna be someone that we all know and like someone's like, oh sure. Yeah, you know, like I know I know some times I just like can't comprehend that like just because it's like the thought of like Creating a profile just to say like nasty things about something you've never met before is like so wild to me That someone would spend their time Doing that but it is it's like just a constant like you kind of have to just practice like not You also like part of it too is just like, you know, there's always a lot of conversations,

especially like about reality TV and like when we cover it in terms of like, you know, the bad producers or like the, like the moral responsibility of these TV shows and these big mean contracts we all sign. And like, I'm not here to like defend production companies or producers or things like that. But like, I think sometimes we also have to remember

it's different for you ladies because you didn't sign up for this. Nellie is a little different. Right now you still have just been playing the role of you're doing your thing, you're Tyler Cameron's girlfriend. Nellie has chose to be on this show. She has chosen to do a brand deal.

Now Nali is in it, right? And so once you're in this arena, the business of it, the haters pay your bills. Honestly, it's not your fans as much as the haters. They keep people engaged. The haters activate your fans, because most of your fans are too busy going about their lives and be like,

yeah, I'm a fan. You know? And it's always like when your haters like really just, you know, and your fan comes across a hate comment and they wanna kind of defend you. But it's like, you really have to let the haters, you have to be okay with it. Like it is like the game we kind of chose.

Like again, you're a little different cause you didn't choose this as much, so that's the part that sucks, but as we become more involved, it just kind of comes with the territory. Once you just kind of accept that, where it's just like, you know, it's like a necessary thing that needs to happen.

100%. I mean, at the end of the day, it's fun. There's so much fun that comes with coming into this stuff, the things that I've gotten to do with him, even our day-to-day, the simple things. If I just was in normal life, it's like you don't get to do what we do and do it so closely with your partner.

So I think we're very lucky too. Yeah, I think part of the reason, one of the biggest things I fell in love with Tate was her light shines so bright and it shines so bright on so many other people and she just lifts everyone's energy up. I love that about her. And I just get worried of people dimming that light.

And I don't, that's the only thing I ever get scared of. And when I, because I do push you a lot. I'm like, you need to do this and do that. And I'm trying to tell her, you need to start an interior design company. He starts a new business for me every day as I'm trying to start the same businesses that he wants to start for himself. But I just think you're so skilled, so have such a vision,

so great at all these things. And I'm like, I'm always trying to push you, push you, push you. And I get afraid that you seeing and hearing and reading what other people have to say about you will make you scared to do that, push you, push you. And I get afraid that you seeing and hearing and reading what other people have to say about you will make you scared to do that. Cause like it has affected me. And like, I don't want those effects to affect you. It makes me insecure about certain things

that I want to try and do. Like where I'm just like, no, you just got to stop worrying about what these people say and just go do it. And like, that's why I try, I, you know, I'll get on you about it. Don't read that. Like, come on.

Like, like that's not who you are, you know? Like, because I'm like, I think Tate you are, you know, like because I'm like I think Tate as a whole could be just whatever she wants to be. She could be the best. She'd be the best designer She could be the best personality, you know what I mean? So it's just I'm trying to like I totally hear what you're saying. But also you got to remember like your guys' story too Like it's a cautionary tale in a way like I, I mean, truly, like the story you just told, like it's not realistic. Yeah.

We became friends first. Yeah. With the heartthrob guy. Like, oh, well, for all the ladies out there who are friends with a guy they are secretly in love with that they've been chasing for a long time, do not listen to this episode. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? But with that, you are gonna get a shit ton of fucking haters and criticisms. And it doesn't like, I think the people who ever, probably even say that shit and project that shit. It's just like, they're not, you know, it's just like, as soon as they see the milk video, right? Their first thought was like,

why does this bitch deserve this life? You know? Like, I would never why does this bitch deserve this life? Oh, for sure, absolutely. Like, I would never throw milk, I deserve this. You know what I'm saying? It's just coming from that place of like encapsulating everything about who you are by watching this video and then projecting what's not going right for them

and being frustrated with what's going right for you. You know, and then I'll turn to you. But then it's like, you have to think about how you thought about that day before you read any comments. And like, I bet you were like, that was so much fun. Oh, we had a ball. We had a great time. Yes.

And then like, if the comments were, oh my gosh, she's so silly and goofy, love her, like you would never have a bad thought about it once. But because one person, two people, three people were like- I start dissecting it. OMG, you're like, oh yeah, I shouldn't have done that. And yeah, it did kind of look rude. And I should, you know, it's like,

you never would have thought that if you hadn't read those comments. Yeah, no, I did tell Tyler when we went to stage coach, I was like, no videos of me dancing, we're not doing that this time. I was like, boo. Yeah, we did say boo. We missed out.

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Another funny fact, I actually wing womaned for Tyler a bunch too and would like... Oh, same order. Yeah, he has this thing or he had this thing where he did like he's an avoidant so like he never knew how to like get girls to leave so he would always do this thing where they would start hanging around and they think that they're finally the person that Tyler Cameron is falling in love with. And all of a sudden, I'd get a call or our friend Kate would get a call

or us together would get a call. Hey, can you guys just come here for a sec? And so we'd go hang out. All of a sudden, where's Tyler? He's like not at the house anymore. Like we're all hanging out. Like leaves us with this girl. And then this was like multiple times.

And- So you had to like send home the booty calls? Oh yeah, I would pick them up sometimes too. Yeah. What? Yeah, I picked them up, dropped them off. This was before we ever did. We don't even understand. The fact that you had your assistant doing that shit

is crazy. Pick up somebody to meet me for an event? I mean, the one time that I did, the time I picked them up, it was to go to like an event, but still funny. I couldn't pick them up, so it was during work hours. I was like, can you go pick up this girl? I don't think it was during work hours. You were clock was like, can you go pick up this girl? I don't think it was during work hours.

You were clocked in. Can you go pick up this girl from the station and then bring her to me? But you would take some home, like at the morning? No. So he would be like, hey, yeah, can you just hang out with him? I made enough money to get an Uber for, you know?

But sometimes I just wouldn't leave. And so then I would text him and I've come to realize that Tyler would literally rather give a girl his home and just be like, just take it and I'll leave. Yeah, if we ever break up, you're gonna be good. Then telling them that like, hey, I think it's time to go. Like, hey, like I'm busy. Like maybe like, let's get you an Uber home.

Can you just be like, hey, I just like, I have a doctor's appointment. He makes it way too complicated. This is like how the things that used to upset me in the beginning where I'd be like, hey, if you just communicated that with me, this wouldn't be that big of a deal. That's another example, but a little bit deeper.

I had a girl that came in and I was- Made it so much worse. She came in and bought a one-way ticket in. I didn't know when she was ever leaving. Like how long? I didn't know how to get her to leave. She flew in. Yeah.

And only, oh. And then I just like, I was like, so I just started calling. Right away I would have panicked. I started calling Kate and Tate. I was like, hey, can y'all go hang out with her for a little bit? And I'd be like, work is actually gonna be at the Airbnb so we can hang by the pool.

So then I'd make our work day at the Airbnb then I would dip out. I got here and so. Remember when we all got our nails done? Everyone got the nails done. And hers took like 10 extra hours. We got like, I don't know, something simple and stupid. She like got a pedicure, got like a gel with an acrylic.

So we're all like afterwards, we're sitting in the front of the nail salon, all three of us just sitting there. And she's just like back at the table. She's like, sorry about this. I'm like, what is happening? And then takes his card and like, he pays for it. I mean, as a real gentleman does.

And then I remember it was like an hour later, she did something, like we were all trying to play like Bump a Volleyball or something, and it just went and broke her nail. No, not the nail. We're all like, damn, that's rough. She's like, I gotta go back, don't wanna come with. Yeah, we're like, you have to go.

Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, she saw it all before rough. She's like, I gotta go back, do you want me to come with? Yeah, you have to go. Yeah, so I mean, you saw it all before she got into this mess, so. Truly. But I think, you know, I'm excited for her and I'm excited for us. I think the reason why we work well together is just because we both, like,

we want to build something special. We want to build a house. We want to build a family. We want to do these things. It's not just like. So like, when do you think you're gonna propose? Just get right to it And the family it's like okay Well, maybe something should be the best mother best wife all that stuff

So I was like, you know like any idea I got she's like down to try and make it happen and build it out. And like, and same with her. I'm like- She's built your whole house. She pretty much- With my bare hands. With her bare hands. I tried to help, but then she fires me all the time.

She like is laying grout. Like this bitch is crazy. Yeah. She, she, she stoned our whole fireplaces and grouted. And then she fired the painters out of the house, kicked them all out and then painted the whole thing herself before we had our pottery barn deal. And then I tried to help Stone in the one place,

and then it all fell on me, and she kicked me out. He has really good intentions when he comes to help, and it's cute, and it's like, oh my gosh. And then all of a sudden, his foot is in a paint can, and he's falling over and knocking over, I don't know, the ladder that I'm on, and he's like falling over and like knocking over, I don't know, the ladder that I'm on, and I'm like, dead, hanging from the seat,

yeah, dead, like not alive anymore. And so it's just, it's always good intentions, but I'm always just like, just set it down, and just like, just go somewhere else. And then I started thinking, I'm like, are you doing this on purpose? Like you do want five kids. Yes.

And like. I know we gotta get to it. Yeah, at some point you do kinda. And he's like so adamant. Not that old. I, me, the women do not have as much time. And five's a lot. 31.

But for five? And I'm not even engaged? And it's not even like a con back? I have a deep question for you. Something Natalie and I learned in our relationship is like our connection and like a tangible connection. Like do we feel connected or do we feel disconnected? Like as a tangible thing to be mindful of,

does that make sense? Where it's just like, I feel connected to my wife or not on the same page. What are times where you feel the most connected and like what do you guys do if you're feeling disconnected? Who makes the first move to try to reconnect you guys? I think the times we most feel connected, I'd say is like when we're building stuff,

we're fired up about something. Like I think that's like when we're most connected and like we see things come together and like, damn, we did that. Like we can do this, we can do anything together. You know? And I think that's when we're most connected and we see things come together and like, damn, we did that. We can do this, we can do anything together. And I think like- I think just at home life- Getting through home stuff together.

Is when I feel the most connected to. Like yes, the building stuff, but there's never been such a sense of peace that I've ever had before, other than ordering in food, sitting on my couch at night. Like it's just, and I'm like looking around, I'm like, wow, like we're in our house.

Like this is our life. Like, and it just feels so right. And I don't know, and it's just easy. Like there's no, I think I said it earlier, but there's just no, like, I feel like I used to think, think, think, think, think when I was in other relationships. And it's like, my mind is so calm when it's just us. It's so at ease.

There's no conflicting thoughts as I'm sitting there trying to think about the next move to make sure that I do the right next move. And I mean, I don't know if I scare you and you don't feel the same like that, but. No, no, I agree. I think what I was like harping on more like on my side of it, like when I feel like,

my biggest fear in life is, because losing it like my parents, they lost all their money when O.A. happened and the market crashed, then we lost our family shortly afterwards. Like it just went to shit. And so for me, like financial stability has always been like such a big thing.

And, and I've always been on my own and like this world that we're in now, like like it's helped me expedite the success I've had like in construction and building all those things, because I basically went from being like, you know, a guy working with a hammer, making 200 bucks a week to now being able to buy homes, flip them and do it all myself. And like I skipped all the middle part, you know? So really we're learning how to flip and renovate these houses on our own.

And when we're doing this stuff, I love working with her because she's got such a good eye. She's so like, she goes hard, so it makes me go hard. And we just work so well together. We push each other and there's like, we'll get up at 6 a.m. and we'll leave a job site at like 9, 30, 10 o'clock at night, like eating barbecue and be like, fuck, we did it, you know?

And then like getting up and doing it again. And it's like fun. It's like, I'm doing my best friend and like we're building something special. Cause like, I have a fear of always like, well, this bachelor shit is gonna run out. Like, you know, I can't be making money off social media forever.

So how the hell am I gonna make money elsewhere? And then it's like us building these things together and you know, going through these houses and building these, I want to build a property management company. I want to build more rentals. I want to build more units. I want to do all these things. And then once we knock one out,

we knock the next one out, I'm like, damn, we can really build something special together. And that we don't have to worry about being on our phones or doing this stuff. We can just, and so that's where I feel connected because we're pushing each other and making each other better and greater.

And then we're always like, the way I look at things is like, we're creating a life for our kids. And so, I don't know, I feel- Five children. Five kids. Yeah. I mean, I love that answer.

I relate to it a ton. I mean, it's just like, yeah, just like having a partner to do life with. I know it's like so cliche when you hear all like the wedding speeches and things like, have a partner. Yeah. But it really is like, I don't's like so cliche when you hear all like the wedding speeches and things like, I have a partner. But it really is like, I don't know, there is something about feeling like knowing

that you have that person to do life with, to do projects with, to like accomplish things together. It's so much more meaningful, you know, like when you think of, you know, and like we have our daughter, so now it's just like, it does make it more purposeful. Like, I mean, now it's just like, it does make it more purposeful. Like, I mean, now it's just like, I think about my life when I was single

and just kind of like how stupid a lot of, a lot of it was. Like, I got to do fun shit, but there was really a kind of no- Meaning behind it. Purpose or meaning, at least I didn't know what that meaning was, you know, other than like checking a box or doing something off,

that like, oh, that was cool, as opposed to having more meaning behind it. And yeah, just feeling like you're accomplishing something. And to do things with Natalie is way more enjoyable than doing it by yourself. I think on the flip side, the only time I ever do feel disconnected is when things aren't rocking and rolling. You know what I mean? by yourself. Yeah. I think like, you know, like on the flip side, the only time I ever do feel disconnected is like when

things like aren't rocking and rolling, you know what I mean? Like, like kind of like lately right now, we've been sitting on our hands cause like we just threw money into two houses and then we have, and then just paid a lot of tax money. You know what I mean? Tax season is always like I see him get nancy.

I was like damn, I thought I had more money to invest than I do, you know? So then I'm like sitting on my hands, like what do we do, what do we do, you know what I mean? And then I get squirrely in my head and then we kind of like, I can feel like that's when I get disconnected. And then it's like I should be expressing those feelings

to her about like, I'm in my head about this, like I don't feel good about that. And then we have those talks and it's always so much better than we always lock in together. Because I always think it's something that I'm doing and like he's disappointed in me. And yeah, the communication definitely during those times. I think that's natural.

I feel like that's probably how I feel as well. If like, if we're disconnected, it's definitely a like sense of like, what have I done that makes him feel like he's like going away when usually it's just yeah, business or something that's in his own head. He's like haven't. When usually it's just business or something that's in his own head. He just like haven't gotten a chance

to sit down and talk about it. And I think too, sometimes it's like, I feel insecure about talking about it. I don't feel good about where I'm at with this and what I'm doing with this. Cause business-wise, financial-wise, I've never had anyone to teach me anything. So it's like, I've been getting screwed over, fucked over,

learning the hard way on all these things and still learning the hard way on all these things. And I'm like, I don't wanna tell her how I got burned or I just wasted this on this, you know what I mean? So it's like. Also, I just wanna fight everyone and he's so much more chill and calm. I'm just making this up as I go.

Like I don't fucking know. Well, but I think at the end of it, it just gets better if we just keep doing it and we keep doing it together and we keep talking through it. Just like, I mean you've been such a great additive to what Nick does here, and it's like, but you guys just keep figuring it out

and keep going and keep growing. As someone who observes relationships a lot and judges people a lot, it's just great to see this relationship and you guys together, especially, you know, like, you know, like we talk about guys and fuck boys and situationships a lot, you know, like, just hearing, like, there's so many men out there, right?

Men who are successful with women, who like, you know, for whatever Tyler did as a single person, like, he was always upfront, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, whoever's, I don't know what you think about Tyler's version of his story when it was always upfront, you know what I'm saying? And you know, whoever's, I don't know what you think about Tyler's version of his story when it was just like, you know, I had all these women and then one, you know, it's just like, then I have this person in front of me

and I don't wanna fuck it up. But like, there's a lot of intention behind that. And there are a lot of men who will float, like will say the L word and talk about relationships and to close the deal, essentially to like get in bed. Have you said I love you yet? Oh God.

Y'all wanna hear a fucking story. Yeah. You want me to tell it? So we hadn't said I love you yet. It was probably like a couple months into dating, we went on a brand trip to Aspen and it was one of those moments where he was like in the shower but I was like in the bathroom

like doing my makeup or something and I was giggling about something he said and I was like, oh, like, oh, I love you. Like, I love you, like, cause he said something stupid and I was like, no, no, it's fine. I'm like, God, I love you or something like that. Like slipped out and I just immediately got quiet and I was like, oh, I hope he didn't hear it.

Like, what do I do now? And I just, and he was in the shower so it was all steamy. You like turn on the water, you're like, ah, ah, ah, it's loud and he didn't hear it. Like, what do I do now? And I just, and he was in the shower, so it was all steamy. You're like, turn on the water, you're like, it's loud and you can't hear anything. Probably like a 10 second pause. And then he just goes, Tate, you're the best. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna just. Okay, here's my thing.

Love is a very, very strong word. Should just pat her on the head. There we go, out of the head. Yeah, ala void. I don't think I said that, maybe I said that. You don't, you're just the best. Yeah, good, I just, I don't believe in just saying I love you to say I love you. Like, I think that's like very hypocritical.

Like you said, just using the L word to get in bed with somebody. And so like, I'm not gonna tell you that until I can fully say I do mean it. You know what I mean? And like, love you as a friend, sure. But like love you as someone who like, like romantically wanna be in love with

is like a different thing, you know? And it took me, you know, it took me until. Yesterday. Yeah. It happened right before it was. Mother's day actually. It was mother's day. Oh yeah.

But I just like, people will probably shit on me for that. No, I actually appreciate it, because I think he has always been an open book. And I was friends with him, and I'm friends with his friends who have seen him through all of his relationships. And they always said, oh, as soon as he likes a girl, he's like, oh, I love her, I love her,

I'm gonna, she is the best thing in the world. So it was actually cool to see how he was, where he would get like, go all in and just, and then it would always like crash and burn. Whereas like, wow, he's being so much more like, delicate and like careful with me, rather than like the other girls. Like I'm like so different.

Different, quirky. I mean, I haven't known Tyler that long, but kind of what I was saying before, it's just like, I know that the, I mean, I was like that, where it was like, I didn't, I never wanted to lead people on. I never said things about feelings I didn't mean.

It's just like, if I was, you know, people know me as a pretty direct, honest guy, and I very much was like that in dating. I mean, Nellie's told this story when we first met. I was like, we'll never date, you know? Because I just didn't want to, but the flip side of that is once I was in a relationship, I don't fuck around.

And I see that energy with Tyler in you, and it's very, it's great. It's very endearing, it's very intentional, and it's very real. But like, what? Yeah, I was like, that's cute. It's very endearing. It's very intentional and like it's, it's, it's very real. But like, yeah, but I, I, I, I, my, my first time I read it, it was like a year until I said, I love you. Yeah. I like, I don't think, I think two, two months.

I don't, I'm sorry. Like we're still like getting romantic, you know, and you have said it since. Yes. Yes. Yes. There's rules now. Like, I gotta say I love you and give her a kiss before I leave her, you know? And we'll scurry back in.

There's no love you, it's I love you. Yeah, I love you, like, big ol' smooch. But like, I'm excited and proud and happy to say it. You know, which before, I would have hated to say I love you at that point too, just for her to be happy, then us saying it, saying it, then I come and almost resent the word. But then you call it a love bond.

Yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, yeah. I didn't know how to respond at that point. You know what I mean? Because when she said it, because Mother's Day, she said it again to me. She's like, I just love you. Well, he was talking about his mom.

That is a little confusing because it's just like, I just love you. It was just like, I can say that about anyone. Yeah. But I love you. Yeah. And then like and then the mother's and she's like panicked. She's like. Because we were having a very deep conversation and we were just sitting in the car and he was talking about his mom and I was like checking on him because I think that you know naturally that would be like a hard holiday and I think that naturally that would be a hard holiday. And I think it just came out, like I was saying something nice and I was, you know, I just love you and I just want you to know that I'm here.

At that point, yes. At that point, I was like, is this guy ever going to tell me that he loves me? Because I like, am so obsessed with him. What's going on? No, I just love you. And I just, you know, I just love you. I love you. And I just want you to know, like, I'm always here if you want to like talk and then I like stopped and I like tried to get out of the car And I'm like, I'm sorry like I didn't mean like did and he was like, can you like get back in and like chill? So was that in the car that he bought you? No, no, no, no, that was just this past Valentine's Day

Which is so cool. I had a lot of people mad at me that after that mouth I was like dude you bought her a car? Like, now all my girlfriends like, he got in my car, he got a car. He did have so many people calling him. I'm like, this isn't like a normal, like, every year I expect something as lavish as a car, but it was definitely, definitely a good Valentine's Day. It was a Range Rover, right?

Yeah. Range Rover. And I thought, I knew he, we went and looked for cars. Nick was like, let's get you a new car. And I was like, oh my God, he's buying me a fucking car. And then he was like, yeah, and you're gonna pay the car payment I was like Relax

I'd like to turn the key ignition on I don't need to push it. I like yeah, I like that I like to carry some me in the car to fill it up. I like yeah, I like that. I like to carry some Before we go how's your friend Matt James doing he's doing good. He's doing good. He's still in Yeah, he's doing good he's never gonna tell his side of the story I have no idea idea. I think that's for you to figure out. I've tried to text him a few times. He hasn't even responded yet. He hasn't even given me a. I think for him, the best thing to do is let it die and be done with it.

You know? I think he knows and probably regrets. The shizzings were made. Yeah, I think he just, you know, we both saw, everyone saw the interviews and stuff, they both need to be broken up. 100%. And they need to go their separate like, they both need to be broken up. And they need to go their separate ways,

and they need to figure it out. At the end of the day, what happened, maybe not in the way that it happened, but it was supposed to happen. Yeah, like, I think the breakout post, he regrets it, you know, and it was weird, and it wasn't, it transcended my beliefs and understandings, you know.

Otherworldly. And like, I love Matt, I still love Matt to this day. You know what I mean? Like, once things like that blow up in your face, sometimes it's best to just kind of let it go past. Yeah, but everyone wants to forgive someone. And also, he didn't kill anyone. Yes.

I mean, the way people reacted. I mean, I couldn't be more happy for Rachel and her finally having her day because that was so- She's a star, we love Rachel. And she also like, we all know how terrible the beginning of their relationship was, and all the shit they had to deal with. But like, yeah, I mean, it was just an insensitive breakup.

That certainly he can learn from and apologize from, but he also didn't kill anyone, and people act like, holy shit, man. Yeah, well I just think nowadays, everyone wants to just destroy everyone on the internet. You know, there's no middle ground. Everyone wants to build people up. They wanna find new creators only to dig down old tweets

and find something to cancel for. Yes, for sure. And so it just didn't go well. And he could have done it another way. I'm sure if he did it another way, it still would have got some sort of backlash. You know what I mean? I think the post, it just didn't, it wasn't good.

Well, I don't know about that. I mean, there's definitely lots of ways that were not that way. For sure, for sure. But I think no matter what, there's always gonna be a winner and loser in it. And that's how today is. Everyone likes to pick a team. There's nothing that's amicable anymore.

Everything is like, winner, loser, loser dies. Yeah. No, for sure. Like we are in the gladiator days where everyone's just like, kinda, yeah. It is. It's so true. It is wild.

Yeah. Well, we love you guys. Thanks for doing this. Love you guys. Love ya. Love ya. Me too, love ya. Really happy for you. Love, look at all the love in here. But really, we're really happy for doing this. Love you guys. Love you. Love you. Venus, love you. Love, look at the love in here.

No, but really, we're really happy for you guys. I'm happy for Tyler and his friend to have such a great woman in his life and wishing you guys nothing but the best and let's go have some dinner. Let's go eat. Let's go eat river. Yes. You