The Viall Files - E954 - Love Island USA’s Charlie, Candice King, The Valley, Next Gen NYC & Karen Read Found Not Guilty

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Love Island USA continues to be the gift that keeps on giving, and we get into it all! Plus, an appearance by our dearly departed Charlie to give his takes on everything that went down at the Villa… Meanwhile, Vampire Diaries  l e g e n d  Candice King stops by to talk about her new show We Were Liars (available on Amazon Prime), being an OG VPR girlie, RHOSLC and more! Plus, we get into the most recent episode of the Valley, if Jax actually went to rehab and Next Gen NYC! Join us, will you?  “She’s a single mom who works too hard, who loves her kids and never stops. She’s a survivor!” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Quince - Stick to the staples that last—with elevated essentials from Quince. Go to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and three hundred and 365-day returns. Nutrafol - This summer, stop worrying about your hair and start making memories. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VIALL Chewy - Chewy has everything you need to keep your pet happy and healthy. And right now you can save $20 on your first order and get free shipping by going to https://chewy.com/viall  Upwork - Visit https://upwork.com right now and post your job for free. Car Gurus - Buy or sell your next car today with Car Gurus at https://cargurus.com  ZocDoc - Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to https://zocdoc.com/viall to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today.  Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (03:39) - Breaking News (05:11) - The Valley (36:34) - Next Gen NYC (38:40) - Golden Cast (40:04) - Taylor Frankie Paul Audition (49:11) - Charlie Interview (01:15:10) - Love Island Recap (01:51:51) - Candice King Interview (02:28:47) - Two Truths and A Lie (02:36:21) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @charliegeorgio @candiceking @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell  

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. We're back in Vancouver. I want to figure out how many flights we've been on so far this year A million it might be in close to 30 30 40 Realistically if I were an exaggerate at the beginning of this year I think you guys have flown more in the last couple of weeks than I've ever flown in my entire life Yeah, yeah. Yeah, seriously like actually You know, we're used to it.

We're such busy bees. We are. We're so busy, you know. Do you want to tell us about what you're so busy doing? Yeah, what are you guys doing? Oh my God. Wait, thank you for asking. First of all, that's so nice.

We can't tell you, so. Yeah, we actually can't tell you, but soon you'll find out. Holy fucking air ball. Holy fucking air ball. Well, we have a fantastic episode lined up for you. The incredible Candace King is with us later this episode. You know her from Vampire Diaries. She's on a new hit show, came out yesterday on Amazon Prime.

We were liars. If you're anything like us, if you like a show about rich, out of touch family with secrets where maybe there's killing or murder or scandalous. On a beach. On a beach? On a beach. This show is definitely for you.

So Candace is with us later. You will love that conversation. Also, we have Charlie with us. Super excited to have Charlie. Sad that he is going, but happy that he is talking with us. Hopefully, he will reveal all the secrets of all the things that went down, and what many are calling one of the most dramatic

episodes of reality TV ever. Which may be- Okay, Jesse Palmer. I mean, just like I was just saying, a lot of people were into it. You know, we were on the edge of our seats. It was dramatic, you know? It was good. It was heartbreaking.

I'm over it. Okay. Perfect. Moves on quick. How quickly. Yeah, I mean, you can't live and die by these episodes. There's like 30 or something. I don't know.

Like, it's fine. Later this episode, we will dive into Love Island. We have Charlie with us, excited to talk to him. 30 or something. I don't know. Like, it's fine. Later this episode we will dive into Love Island. We have Charlie with us excited to talk to him and then after Charlie we will break down your past two episodes since the recoupling of Love Island. Well, I'm sure a lot of you are tuning in for Charlie and welcome. This is the Vile Files. We're here all week long. This is Reality Recap. We also have our Going Deepers, our our long form interviews that get to know your favorite reality TV stars or other public Figures or celebrities also if you're watching love island and you see a lot of behavior that reminds you of past

Relationships or things like that chances are ass Nick is for you anyways tell your friends We are gonna be your love island destination all season long So join us subscribe all that fun stuff. Welcome to the show. Huda is still with us. I'm honestly mixed feelings, but I'm glad she's still here. Like her being kicked off would have been epic, but like she is, like we are watching, we are tuned in.

We are paying attention to our screens right now because of Huda. We have to recognize that. Like it's must watch television and it's all cause of Huda. I'll say Ace is a fake mother fucker. They all are fake. I'm sorry, but the whole Phila is fake. Really?

Yeah. They're like talking about Huda behind her back and not her face. Sorry. We will, we will break it all down later this episode. Well, breaking news everyone. My girl, Karen Reed. Karen Reed is not guilty. Well, she's, everyone. My girl, Karen Reed. Karen Reed is not guilty.

Well, she's guilty with operating a vehicle under the influence. Yeah, I mean, that's one of those, it's like going and getting an STD test and like having slept with like 100 people without a condom and then finding out like you got chlamydia. You're like, I'll take it, give me a couple of pills, no problem. No problem.

For sure. Yeah. It's the exact same as that. You're like, whatever, I'll take it. Yeah, they were like, we'll come back for sentencing. And it's like, she'll get slapped on the wrist. Proletarian or something. Fine or something.

I guess in no jail time. But she, after a long, long time, she's not guilty. She has to to move right? She has to move I think the whole town loves her like I think honestly she's a celebrity in that town I think like she goes out and her dinners paid for and her drinks are paid for and Man those those if you really think the boss I mean, I guess yeah if she's like speeding and they pull her over then it's like

Well, they pull her over and like put a little cocaine in the back seat of her car and then say she was doing drugs? You know? I would just, I would go clean slate. Do you think she gets her job back? No. No. She's gonna go on a book tour.

She's gonna be influencing. Yeah, she's gonna be influenced. Yes. You know, let's try to get Karen Reed on the show. Let's try to get her. All right, well, congratulations to Karen and all of Karen's fans out there. I feel like this one's for you.

Yes, it is. All right, moving on. Congratulations to our Lady of the Week, Kristen Doty and her man, Luke, had their first child. Round of applause, very happy for them. Her fiance, Luke. I wasn't sure about this they're engaged okay. Well they get engaged on like what the next episode of the valley I mean yeah

next episode yes her man either way still her man so very happy for them. Kaya Lilly what a pretty name I do love that name. Lilly of the valley. I only remember names of people in my circle. No you that's not even true you don don't know your family members' children's names. That's what I'm literally saying. You said you only know people in your circle. Your nieces and nephew are in your circle. Kind of, I mean, sure, yeah.

But I mean like my daughter. He knows his daughter's name and that's it. Do you know Lea's son's name? Nick, what's my name? Louie, I do, yeah. Okay. Hey, that makes me, that makes me really happy. That means that we're in your circle.

What's Sierra's daughter's name? Sierra does not have a name. Okay, good job. What's her dog's name? What's her dog's name? Oh yeah, what's her dog's name? No idea. I didn't even know you had one.

Really? It's after the B. Yes, you did. You don't know that I have a dog? The little white dog, you know, you've seen. He's my child. Literally. Bailey.

Bailey? Can't. Right, you named your dog after your- That's a wild thing to think. That's a wild thing to think. That's a wild thing to jump to. I had the dog before I had Connor. And I'm gonna stop you right there.

That's a wild thing to go for, first jump. Absolutely not. Listen, I am not a perfect man. I am, I'm just go for, first jump. Absolutely not. Listen, I am not a perfect man. I'm just- Yes you are. Besides the car trunk thing, which is really getting on my nerves. That we've discussed.

We're still going. It's beginning to start fights. It is. Cause sometimes you'll pack the trunk and it needs an extra push. For some reason I'm seeing Nick thrusting his whole body weight, like trying to get this trunk closed and it needs an extra push for some reason I'm seeing like Nick thrusting his whole body weight like trying to get this Trunk closed and it's just not closing and then it's like you press about it's like

You know like all it takes is one press of the button and it's shut so nicely by the time you get in the car Trunks closed it just goes so slow. It's just Anyways, but yes Kristen Doty and Luke, they had their beautiful baby girl. I actually got a text from Kristen last night and she had reached out before she gave birth because you know the theme, I don't know if this is a theme everywhere else.

I feel like it's really only in LA. And this is why I feel comfortable sharing our critique. Oh, okay. Because yeah, we're talking about privileged people here. The most privileged, right? I mean, like most people, I didn't even know what a night nurse was before I moved to LA. Night nurse.

And for those of you who don't know, it is someone. It's essentially a babysitter for your newborn so that mom and dad can get more sleep in the early weeks of childbirth. So the people who are doing this put like a twin bed or a day bed in the nursery with the crib and that's like for the night nurse to sleep in while the baby's asleep so that if the baby wakes up and the baby's hungry or whatever, like that night nurse can tend to the baby.

And if you live in LA and you are expecting a child and you, like people find out you're pregnant, I was like, again, I've never experienced this. My mom had many children after I was born. So I've experienced being around pregnant women most of my life. I've never heard this. And then when now I was pregnant, I mean, oh my God, it was the most common question was,

are you gonna get a night nurse? And some people would even ask, do you get, they would tell you, you have to get a night nurse. You won't survive. Oh my God, it's gonna be, you must do this if I can give you any parenting advice ever. It's get a night nurse. We're like, oh my God, do we gonna be, you must do this if I can give you any parenting advice ever. It's get a night nurse. We're like, oh my God, do we have to get a night nurse?

I mean, they were like, Nell and I, we're like, let's sit down and talk about this. Like, we're certainly lucky enough to be able to afford such a wonderful luxury if that is something, you know, that you're able to do. And then we're, Nellie was like, I don't think I wanna do it. And then she talked to her sister,

who was like, thought we were fucking crazy for even like suggesting that. And we got wonderful advice from her sister, Amanda, who was like, listen, your child is only going to be that old that day, you know, it's like, that small for that day. Yeah, you know, it's like every- Your child is only going to be that small for that day.

And she was like, and she also was like, can you imagine like your baby in another room, like days old, your baby in another room wakes up cold, crying, hungry, they're like looking for the person they were just connected to for nine months and they're picked up into the cold hands of a stranger who then like what puts a bottle to their mouth or like brings them to you to breastfeed. Like regardless, you're gonna wake up because you're connected to that baby.

You're gonna hear that baby crying. You're gonna wake up regardless. Your nipples are gonna start leaking because that's exactly what they do when you hear that baby crying. And then like, and what, you're just gonna like sit there and be like, I'm gonna go back to sleep. Sally Lou's got it.

Like that was crazy. So I'm so go back to sleep, Sally Lou's got it. Like, it was crazy. So I'm so glad that my sister was like waking me up. Before I go any further, Lea, did you have a night nurse? Yes, I did. No, I didn't. Yeah. Could she, could she have had it? I'm sitting here and I'm just like, mm, no, no, I did not have a night nurse.

But yeah, and then, so obviously we didn't and so we were so grateful that we didn't. I mean, again, we just really enjoyed being parents. We also, yes, we got lucky. Our child, whoever, is a special human, and her sleeping was pretty good. We understand that not every child sleeps that well, but I don't think it's not gonna change

if we're lucky enough to have a second child and that child Sleeps. Yeah, we're not gonna get a night nurse for the second child I I'm just gonna say it I just I judge people now if they get night nurses if I find out they have a night nurse I can't not feel judgment. I just can't I mean if I'm gonna judge anyone it's gonna be the privileged It is just crazy to think that like you're your three week old baby It is just crazy to think that like you're You're a three week old baby Three day Three day old baby

And you're just like And again, like we were lucky enough to have Nally's mom It's also like I like like I look back at those times now And I'm so grateful that we did it Because I remember being so tired And like holding her and just being like smelling her And being happy And like like I'm sleeping now, like I'm good.

And it's just, if I hadn't have been there, I feel like the position I'm in now, I would have regretted it. I also want to just adjust my judgment and criticism. I have more judgment for the fathers. If you're a single parent, no judgment whatsoever. If I've more judgment for the fathers, because I'm sure there's a lot of parents out there

where maybe the dads aren't as helpful in the middle of the night. That's true. I think that makes a world of a difference. But if you are lucky enough to tag team parenting early and like enjoy being a parent, like. I think your mom said she like was scared to wake up your dad.

Like she just would never wake up your dad. She just would like, and I think your dad watching you like help so much. I remember like your parents were in town and you're like washing all the pump parts and putting them back together. And your dad was like, I could have done more. Like he looked at your mom and was like,

I really could have done more. I'm sorry. It was the 80s. Yeah. But anyways, so all of that to say, all the judgment to say, Kristen Doty had texted me a few weeks ago and was like, did y'all have a night nurse?

Because like us, everyone was telling her you must get a night nurse. Obviously, we gave her our thoughts and opinions. And she was like, Luke feels the same way. I'm just like scared because everyone's making me feel scared. And I was like, you can always get one. Like if you are in this and you're like, holy fuck, this is too much. I need someone, hire someone the next day. But like go into it as you and Luke together as a team.

And she texted me last night and she was like, I'm so grateful I took your advice and we did not get a night nurse. Like I'm loving this. It's really sweet. And she like sent me pictures of her baby and she's gorgeous. So happy for our queen, Quistan.

She really, she's Quistan. Quistan, Quicken. I'm just feeling baby. I actually will say, like sometimes I miss like waking up every couple of hours. Yes, yes. Totally, like the amount of times that Nick and I are like, should we like wake her up?

Like, should you know, like she, like now she sleeps through the night. And like now that's a long time to be away from her. Then we're like, should we? It's a really long time, yeah. Yeah, we have, yeah. Do you ever do it? Yeah, no, we kidnapped her the other night

and brought her into our bed. We do, we go in there as she's knocked out and it brings her, brings the hatch sound machine and we go and brings her into our room. She cuddles now, she like wraps her arms around you in spoons, it's really sweet. Oh my God, that's so cute. And get, you know, obviously we had Natalie's mom.

She was very helpful and you know, she did like at 6 a.m. early on would take River and we got to like sleep in for like an extra hour, which was very helpful in the morning. But that was definitely different than in the middle of the night. Just like, be like, all right, you got this? I could not imagine, could not imagine

just checking out all night long while like some nurse is in the other room rearing your child. Do you think Jax Taylor helped Britney with the cruise when they came home from the hospital? Okay, can we, all right, like we got, Sierra, are you figuring out, this is are you figuring out, this wasn't real, this wasn't a real thing, right?

He left on his hour break to go to his house and remove the Post-its over the camera? Like, come on. While having his phone with him 24-7 to rage text, also FaceTiming, also allowed to go home and check the mail. I'm like, what rehab facility, who isn't concerned about somebody relapsing, and him being like, I wasn't there for drinking, it was for mental health. I'm Googling.

Tell me, like, why none of us were even looking for where Rachel Levis went to, like, her facility. And for some reason, it was everywhere. Not one person, not one sighting, not one anything sourcing that this man actually attended a rehab facility. Yeah, and the fact that it was like national news and like, oh, we didn't, we didn't feel bad or any remorse. We kept criticizing Jax, but like a lot of people were like, oh, it's so serious, like, oh my God,

hearts and thoughts and prayers to Jax. Meanwhile, he's just like in an Airbnb. Guaranteed, even there's like one where he had like a couch next to him and there was just like some clothes strewn over it, I'm like, I guarantee you this is the, not the Airbnb, the condo or whatever that he rented. And he's probably staying there before everything is getting moved in and claiming to be at some rehab facility. Because I don't know any protocol that would encourage somebody to have their phone 24-7, let alone to be making contact with their wife or their home. If we're right, like how is this even okay from a TV standpoint?

Really? No idea. But even then, did you watch once he came back and they had this accountability dinner and they were all coming for Danny with his drinking. That was crazy. That was crazy. Jax's dinner turning into

an intervention for Danny. Intervention for Danny. That was crazy. But not one of these guys are holding him accountable. And also, it's like he's literally showing rage when you said that you just got out of a 30 day facility dealing with your anger. And he's the worst friend ever. He's just sitting there excited that Danny is getting heat.

If I were him, I would shut my mouth. I wouldn't be adding to it. Jax is a psychopath. The apology text that Danny sent, I mean, they flashed it. What did it say? It was like my bad bro about last night. It definitely wasn't like, I'm so sorry for the way.

I mean, like, he also, when they ran it back, he didn't do anything. He was just sitting there. He was just like obviously agitated or frustrated with the way that these people keep coming at him and is like defending himself. And the second that he defends himself or gets like activated to another level, they're like, oh my god, dark Danny, dark Danny, dark Danny. He's crazy. It's pantry Danny. And the fact that they're mad about that situation when they were literally talking about him as if he wasn't

Sitting there and then he defends himself and it's like no you're blackout. No, man. You're blackout Jason I've like I've had enough of Jason I think he is the biggest like whack-ass bitch that I've ever seen on my television screen everything that comes out of his mouth It's just it's like laughable. It's like what how are you even? The way that they behave, I feel like Jesse, Jason, not so much Danny, but definitely those two. I kind of feel like they treat Jax like as if Jax is responsible for their job. Like they can't say anything bad about Jax.

They're always supporting Jax. And Jax, even when they were at the party and he was fighting with Zach and he was like, it's my show, it's my show. I feel like that's the kind of energy that he is like berated down onto these guys. And they're like, I'll never say a bad word about Jack's because I might lose my spot on this show.

That makes them more pathetic. If that, first of all, it can't be true because I just can't imagine Bravo would give Jack that power. I certainly believe that he thinks he has that power. But are these guys either both dumb enough to believe that or just like truly just kind of some of the most pathetic men?

I mean, Bravo really. The second that Jax came on the screen, the amount of like dark cloud energy that entered Nick's phone screen was alarming. Well, he literally walked into the house. He was like, I'm not going to take anything from my son. Oh, except for the house because a woman, no woman needs a five bedroom house, seven bathroom.

Get something that's manageable as a woman. What the fuck does that mean, Jax? Also him saying like, oh, as soon as I found out about Julian, like I stopped paying the shit. Like, yeah, she can, this house can get foreclosed on fuck it, I don't give a fuck. And it's like, you don't care about your son.

I hope it goes to foreclosure. I hope it goes to foreclosure. You don't care about your son. The second you got out of rehab, you got your haircut, you got Botox, you went to dinner. Like you and Brittany even being like, he's been unblocked. I haven't fucking heard from him. It's just like this man trying to play this, I'm a good father, she's been unblocked. I haven't fucking heard from him. It's just like, this man trying to play this,

I'm a good father, she's keeping my son from me, like pity party is so unbelievable. Like it will never. You don't give a fuck about that boy. And it's so sad that one day he will watch the show back and he will feel that from his own dad. He's depraved. Speaking of shitty men who don't care about their kids,

Jesse, he was atrocious this episode. I just like to leverage your ex-wives, and I don't care how you feel about her, dying mother, and use that as leverage to stop your daughter from having the last remaining moments of her grandmother and quality time with her, and then in a confessional act like Zef, like, oh, no, no, no, I mean, like, no,

I'm totally fine with her spending as much time, but like, we just need to sit down and talk as parents to teach our daughter about death. I mean, like, just go on the street and like look at roadkill. I mean, like, whatever. Like, it's not, I don't remember my parents teaching me about life or death.

It probably had something to do, we were a religious family with religion, but this wasn't a pivotal moment in my life. And oh, by the way, the easiest way to teach a young child about life and death is honestly through animals and things like that. A Disney story. I mean, how old is their daughter?

Four or five? Every parent in a Disney movie dies like we Like her grandma is sitting what in a hospital bed like so if Michelle doesn't want to talk to you Or you're not gonna let your daughter see her because like you didn't get to sit down with her and give Jessie Lollie's version of like teaching her child about life or death. Like you're a piece of shit. You're an absolute piece of shit. And the fact that this man can go on a TV show and act like he's right about this. Well, like to that point, like Nali said with Jax,

it is now documented that like you came in between your daughter and her grandmother and her remaining moments as her grandmother suffered through cancer and you tried to step in because you wanted to like, you were mad that Michelle doesn't wanna talk to you. Like one of the most piece of shit things that you can do. It's fucking crazy. It's so sad.

That's when you wanna assert your dominance. And then he was trying to be like, I had no idea where she was like, I sent a text saying that my mother is deteriorating. Can I please take my daughter for a week? And you said no. And then as soon as it becomes public knowledge, it's like, oh, I had no idea how bad she was. And it's like, I just don't believe a word that comes out of Jesse's mouth. Everything is for like vengeance and like optics. Yes.

I mean, you remember when Schwartz came here and said that we would see a better side to Jesse? I'm just like, where, when? I'm watching him, like, listen to Jax talking about women this way, talking about Brittany this way, and then he, like, does nothing. Well, I just know Michelle's not a fan favorite, and a lot of the ladies who watch this show just are not a fan of her.

But, like, how do we not see Jesse? And just try to give Michelle the benefit of the doubt. Like, I don't know how you can watch Jessie's behavior and just not have a ton of empathy for her. I mean, again, unlike- I agree. Unlike Brittany, we have, this is the, like, we haven't, we've seen Michelle

pretty much enter the show when, when episode, season one, and start standing up for herself and saying the way you treat me is not okay. And she got out of a shitty marriage and she is like fighting for, her life might be a little dramatic. I mean, made mistakes along the way as anyone does

and going through this entire season, having her mom dying on the side, it's like honest. How do you not have more empathy for this woman? And then the people like defending Brittany until the day she dies. And then Brittany, this episode being like, oh my God, his voice, his voice. Wait, I can't look, I can't look.

I don't want to make eye contact with them. It's like, come on, Britt. Yeah. You've got to stop. Right in high school. You're like romanticizing this idea of like how toxic he is and how awful he is to you. Just, I don't understand how, this show is so dark and the people who like are on it

is, it's a really hard watch. I wanna see more Kristen and Luke in their love story and their relationship. They clearly have worked hard to make work. They really have to figure out something else with this show because I can't do another season of this It's really bad. Well Bravo's giving Jesse Lala more screen time He is rumored to be on the next season of Love Hotel

Along with some of the other one. Yeah, Tom Schwartz. That's a horrible Shep. Shep Rose. Yeah, the bros. Wait, are you It's Rose. It's Rose? Yeah, the bros. Wait, are you, so they're doing, instead of it being like Giselle and Shannon, they're doing dudes instead? Maybe it was some bullshit blog I saw.

I don't know, there's a lot of like, fake reports in Bravo World. Maybe that's not true. Like, quick Google. It looked pretty legit to me. Oh yeah, and Carl, and Carl. Oh, Carl, Tom, and Shep. And Jessie.

Oh no. Jesse's in a relationship with that girl in the Orange County. He would break up with her for TV. He would totally break up with her for TV. Not wrong. I mean, the other three are fine. I mean, like Shep is Shep,

but like, you know, Shep might be like a man child, but he's not, I don't think he's a piece of shit. I don't, you know, he seems like an all right guy. Was anyone else confused as to why Jesse's life coach was at Zach's boyfriend's party? Because he's not an actual life coach. He's just Jesse's friend. He just wants a credit.

He just wants to be seen. Whoever's writing his chiron is probably like, ugh. And then also the temper tantrum for the petulant child, Jax, hearing that there's a party happening at Jesse's house and then inviting himself to Zach's, I don't care, it's your house. I don't care whose party it is or why.

That was such a scene. And then Jesse looked like such a bitch. Like kind of like Jesse looks, it's just, the way the loser Jax emasculates these men is kind of hysterical, but like just pathetic. It's just, it's just pathetic. They're all weak. Can we talk about Frank Dremann?

I forgot about that. He's a legend. Remind me, who's Frank Dremann? Frank Dremann is Jax's burner account. And here are some of the things that he has said from that burner account. He's a legend talking about Jacks, but this is Frank speaking.

How did we figure out? Brittany figured it out. And he accidentally DM'd Brittany from that account being like, please pick up, why won't you answer me? And she was like, this idiot fucking DM'd me from the burner account, so it confirms it. He said, 30 days equals four weeks. Maybe you need rehab, doll. Called clickbait,. He's a 30 days equals four weeks. Maybe you need rehab doll called clickbait honey.

Not a fan of that new girl. She looks thirsty to be on TV. 30 days is more than a week. People literally separate every day. Reality stars are no different spelled K-N-O-W. Is he fighting with the trolls in the comments? Yes. Oh my God.

Defending himself. Defending himself as Frank Dremman. It's probably one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. How is this? He's a legend commenting under his own photo? It's so funny. This is like, and honestly, like this is like,

maybe a, like, maybe this is the type of program I want to someday show my kids, be like, your life could turn out like this. You could be a loser. Like you, this is a cautionary tale. Jax is taking legal advice from Tom Schwartz. That was crazy. Yeah.

Tom Schwartz had broken down his divorce papers for him. That's best case, man. Sign that right away. He's like, sign it. And then he goes, well, the whole custody part. And he's like, what did it say about custody? He's like, said, sign it. And then he goes, well, the whole custody part. And he's like, what did it say about custody? He's like, well, maybe you should overlook this page. And then he's like, I don't know.

I just signed it. He says, I don't know what full custody, what was the line? Custody means? I don't know what full custody really means. I think that was just kind of, yeah, something like that. Yeah, he's like, I don't really know what full custody means.

I mean, it was just like. Maybe Tom Schwartz is like a secret hero. I mean, if Tom Schwartz is, cause Tom Schwartz is not stupid. And if he's really telling Jax to sign a document that takes away Jax's right to like have custody of his child and trying to like get Jax to sign it, it's kind of genius.

Oh no, I think he was saying he, before the custody conversation, it was because Brittany said that like, she was gonna do the divorce without having to go to court. And so that's why Tom was like, this is like a God son, this is a gift, you should sign this. And then they hit the custody clause. And he was like, actually, maybe you should overlook this.

It's all good, except for this little part here. I mean, Jack saying I'm a great father, but a terrible husband is like, no, you're not. Then you're not a great father. I mean, you know, then you're not a great father. Agreed, literally. You can still be like, maybe an okay father, but if you can admit that you're not a great father. I mean, you know, you're not a great father. Agreed, literally. You can still be like, maybe an okay father, but if you can admit that you're a shitty husband,

this by default you can't be. No, it's literally, it starts off, this episode literally starts off with him, I'm a great father, terrible husband. No, you're not. You walk into a house, you say, I'm not gonna take anything from my kid, except for maybe the house itself,

because I'm a, like to get back at Brittany. It's like these two things are the same. And then him being upset that nobody visited him. And it's just like, well, it sounded like Brittany was planning on visiting you. It's because you didn't want to give them the address to your Airbnb. Because that's why.

That's why no one came to visit you because it wasn't a real facility. Nobody could visit you because it didn't exist. And honestly, I don't believe Jason when he's like, I went in and I talked to someone at a front desk. You talk to the receptionist of an apartment complex or- The leasing manager. Literally the leasing manager, the landlord.

Jason needs to, Jason needs to- He was like, I was wondering why they were telling me about all the rules and regulations and rent costs. I was wondering, but I just figured, you know. They said this room comes with gas. I didn't understand why. If Jason ever does an interview, people, because I doubt Jason will come on this show,

he needs to be asked about the therapy that he is lying about. I know. I want the name. I mean, it was an AI call who called him originally to tell him about the 30,000. That was like his buddy, you know Like that was not a real facility. Remember it was like what up, bro

I will never get that call out of my head because he literally said I don't know We just think that like a 30 day stay would be a lot more effective than two separate 15 day stays, huh? Huh? How are you gonna tell me what I need for my care? Why are you breaking up a 30 day, like 30 days is like the minimum that you do for rehab. What do you mean you're gonna break it up in 15 days? Why is he selling it like a vacation package? Yeah.

Go now, pay later. He's giving like army hammer in the- The Cayman Islands. The Cayman Islands doing like, yeah. Are those still a thing? What do they call them when, you know, the vacation homes you doing like, yeah. Are those still a thing? What do they call them when, you know, the vacation homes you would like? Time shares.

Time shares. Yeah. It sounded like a time share. Is that still a thing? That's what Armie Hammer was doing in the Cayman Islands was selling time shares. Yeah. Literally.

My grandparents still can't get out of their time shares. Oh my God. You're locked in. I mean, speaking of Jax Taylor, he was on Watch What Happens live. What was it? Last night, two nights ago? I don't know.

Recently, he had a chaperone Tom Schwartz. I'm honestly so shocked that they're still allowing him to have a platform and be on... I mean, like... I really got to... You know what? I was going to say I got to ask Tom about this, but I know the answer Tom's gonna give me, it's just like, you know, you should get to know him, he's not that bad of a guy.

It's just like, it's what he's gonna say. Everyone deserves a second chance, even though it's like his second chance times a thousand. Well, Jax was like, well, I watched all the episodes, and then I thought it was really interesting, like Andy was like, and this is like a first for you. Like he really wanted the audience to know that Jax Taylor has never watched his work before. And now that he has watched it,

we were supposed to feel a certain way about that. I'm also going to be so for real. This man is so obsessed with himself that there's no fucking way he hasn't sat down and watched himself on television. I mean, like all of his likes on TikTok are public knowledge and they're all videos of himself. Like he is just on his TikTok liking himself. He has his fake profile that he like compliments himself on.

There's no way he's not watching himself on television. Oh my God, I saw a video that somebody posted where she was like, she saw all of Jax's like liked videos, like the videos that he liked from his account. And he was liking his own TikToks. Yes, yes. I went and looked. He does.

Everything that he likes is about him. This is not me defending Jax at all. But you know, when Instagram first came out, this also is giving like old millennial, where I feel like at first a lot of like people thought like if you liked your content, it would help with engagement or something like that. Where like every time you just post something, you immediately like it.

No, it's like someone said to Jax, oh yeah, you can't see people's likes on TikTok. And then he didn't realize that he didn't have that setting enabled on his TikTok settings, and he has just been liking what he wants to like. There was definitely like a brief moment early in Instagram where I think I was liking, I would post something and like my post.

I feel like that was your experience. I just like, I'm gonna flame Jax Taylor. Some troll is gonna be like, well, here's 20 Instagrams of Nick liking his shirtless selfie. Let's give Jax the benefit of the doubt for a second. From my experience, it was like embarrassing to like your own photo.

Yeah, yeah, I definitely stopped years ago. Years ago. You have to go deep to find that. No, no, no, I know. I'm just saying like, that's just funny and you know. Well, what's also is embarrassing and God bless you, internet, the after show, Jax Taylor is wearing lift shoes to make himself taller.

Can we just talk about the fact that the man for sure is over six foot, the idea that you could be insecure that somebody would mistake you for short, that you need to wear lifts in your shoes, I'm just saying from top to bottom, be insecure all the way. You'd be surprised how many men in reality TV would mistake you for short, that you need to wear lifts in your shoes. Like I'm just saying, from top to bottom. Be secure all the way.

You'd be surprised how many men in reality TV who are not even tall. I'm not even gonna name names, but it is embarrassing how many guys are wearing shoes like that. And honestly, if you want a little lift, a natural lift, wear boots. Boots will make you look a little taller

than I guess the average sneaker will if you really need to feel that way. You don't want to wear a platform? There have been guys that, like in Batra Nation, that if you really want to figure it out, it's not that hard. Go look at old photos. They'll be like three inches taller than all the other guys in some photos. And then there's like ones where you're all at the beach and you're, you know, you're not wearing shoes. And then they're like the same height as the other guys in some photos. And then there's like ones where you're all at the beach and you're not wearing shoes.

And then he's like the same height as the other guys. It's like, what's going on? But also, Jax Taylor was sitting down for his interviews for the after show and you're still wearing them. So it's like, he's really committed to the bit where he's like, I have to walk in to this establishment and be as tall as I have been. Anyway, he gave his where he's like, I have to walk in to this establishment and be as tall as I have been.

Anyway, he gave his, it's like, he didn't go to therapy or rehab or whatever. He maybe went to a practice bullshit apology seminar. No, because he's been doing that same apology for the last. No, no one deserves to be treated that way. I finally watched him. There's no one, no one, I'm just so sorry.

I'm so embarrassed. I'm so sorry that that's what was shown. Wasn't that his response? Like essentially it was like he literally said, I'm so sorry for what was shown, not I'm so sorry for what I did, how I treated people, but like what the producers chose to like put it at it. And like y'all had to see that like, so sorry that that was what was shown. Do you think Tom sports was there simply because no one else would sit next to Jax Taylor? Yes.

Probably. And like a security blanket because they're doing all of their stuff together and they're next door neighbors. I will say though, in this episode, whenever Jax Taylor was like, we're moving in together, like he was like, no, no, no, no, no, we're not moving in together. Like you're not living with me. Like he wanted it very clear that like they were not going to be roommates. And I'm also like, who told him that there was a vacancy in their apartment building or in their condo? Like, you know what I mean?

Where I'm like, Jack's being like, I just really love the whole frat guy, like living next to him. I'm like, that's that's crazy at 50. Anyways, more of the same. We got eventually just got gotta stop talking about him. They're shoving him down our throats. They need to take him off television. He's a dangerous person.

The way that this man is able to go on that screen and not give a fuck about his son, about his family, about literally anyone. And we've heard the same shit over and over again. And Andy Cohen sitting there, not challenging him, literally anyone and we've heard the same shit over and over again and like Andy Cohen sitting there like not challenging him not being like when he was like oh yeah you wanted your house to be you didn't pay the mortgage he's like yeah dude that was when I was deep in drugs and alcohols like no when you

got out of rehab you stood in that kitchen and you told Jessie like yeah I wanted to take that house from her like you that was not when you were high on drugs this is when this is how you think. It's dangerous. This is fresh out of rehab. Truly. No, I agree with you. I'll sign whatever, get him off television.

Thank you. Anyways, next gen. I mean, listen, it's still early. I will say, speaking of the Mark's family, Corky, but like, you know, he seems like a good dad. Seth really tries. I don't know if I'm ever gonna sit down with someone my kid's gonna date with and just try that, but like, you know, he seems like a good dad. Seth really tries. I don't know if I'm ever gonna sit down with someone my kid's gonna date with and just try that,

and be like, so is this a body count situation? It could be, or maybe more. And then him being like, so your dad doesn't say he's proud of you. Well, I'm proud of you. You know, one thing I'll say that I've heard, and I think it's true, as far as being a parent goes, like showing up is like 95% of it.

You know, there's no like, everyone has a different style of parenting and you know, parents will make mistakes and you might, you know, give advice that maybe you regret, but like just being there and expressing love and affection to your kids is really probably 99% of it, you know? And the Marks parents really seem like they show up for their kids and the kids seem better for it.

So that's good. It's in watching these Bravo shows, there's so much like just horrible behavior and toxic family dynamics that like, when you see the Marks family like show up and be there for their kids, it's nice to see. I'm glad we got to see a little bit of that.

No, so true. I just like, why are we still fighting about like Charlie and Chloe? It's like, come on, give us something new. It's really not that big of a deal. We're three episodes in, you know, we gotta have something else. Yeah, I'm just like not the biggest fan

of Charlie in general. I just feel like he is a guy all of us have fucking dated who sucks. Yeah. And it's like, and it really is cause like daddy didn't hug you. And it's like, so now you just like take it out on everyone else.

Yeah. And his mom, his mom was like the cliche, like absent mom who's dating a new guy all the time, shows up and literally says to you, your mom dated my best friend who had a huge cock. And it's just like that. That was Charlie's childhood. Anyways, we'll see.

Next Gen, it's still early. I do love the New York vibe. They released the cast of the Golden cast for Bachelor in Paradise. And I got to, I just, I don't know. I've, I'm rooting for the show. I hope it's good. But this whole, like, I just, I did not sign up for the,

I also am worried that like the Golden franchise is potentially like ruining their brand. Like what made the Golden Bachelor and Bachelorette so like charming is the nostalgia of like these people at very late, you know, late 60s, early 70s, you know, having grandparents, people, widows and widowers, like just talking about enjoying life. I just don't know if I want like Bachelor in Paradise is messy.

It's the closest thing we have to like a love island. It's toxicity. I want drama. I want the silliness. I don't know. I don't need a mashup. I don't want broken hip jokes don't know, I don't need a mashup. I don't want broken hip jokes. You know, I don't.

It's like you didn't sign up for it and neither did the young kids in Jesse Palmer's world. I don't know. Sign up for it either. I don't know, we're gonna watch it, we're giving it a shot, but I'm worried. Should we go through who they are?

It's everything you would expect. It's all the golden people that ABC has been parading around and at every Dancing with the Stars event. Yeah. I was gonna say, politely forcing it down our throats. Yeah, yeah. So, if, have you seen them at events, they're also gonna be at Paradise.

At Bachelor and Paradise. Well, I don't know if Paradise is gonna be any good, but we did have our queen, Taylor Frankie Paul. Who posted a little Bachelorette, what do you wanna call it? Audition tape. Audition tape, which was brilliant, and I'm assuming she was just having some fun,

but I've thought about this. They haven't picked up the Bachelorette, they haven't picked up the Bachelor, and from my understanding is that again, to remind people, Warner Brothers owns The Bachelor entity. They're the ones who produce it. ABC slash Hulu slash Disney, they're the one, they're the platform that airs it.

So both have power, ultimately it was Hulu slash ABC's decision not to pick it up, so like that's its home. And they are waiting for Warner Brothers to essentially get their shit together and say, give us something worthy of putting on our platform because like we're booked and busy.

You know, we got Mormon wives crushing. We got a lot of good content out there. Give us something worthy, right? So to do that, they need to cast good leads. They need to cast stars. No offense to our previous two leads. Lovely people. They lacked the star power. They didn't have assistance from the franchise. You know, everything about it just did not work out. So if they're going to bring the bachelor back, if they're going to bring the bachelorette back, they need star power. They need

people excited about whoever their leads are. And if they're gonna get people excited, Taylor Frankie Paul would be an apps, she would be a franchise saving cast. I don't know if they could afford her. Again, cause it would be Warner Brothers who pays her, not Hulu. That's the complicated part is that like,

Warner Brothers still has a lot of control and power over like what gets done over at their franchise. They're the ones who sign the checks of their leads, right? So that being said, I do know that Rob over at Hulu really likes synergy, right? That's why you have the crossover with Vanderpump Villa and the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They want to have synergy within their kind of universe.

So it would make a lot of sense to have Taylor be the bachelorette. It would be awesome. I mean, oh my God. And just to have the crossover, you would have some of the Mormon wives, stop bringing in old bachelor contestants. You could have, you could bring in the Mormon wives,

to give her feedback and counsel. It would be such an amazing crossover. And like, who knows? It might work out. It would, feedback and counsel, it would be such an amazing crossover. And like, who knows, it might work out. It would, oh my God, it would crush. Do way better than Vanderpump Villa. Oh my God, it would just be epic. Like if the Warner Brothers knew what they were doing, I would pay her a quarter of a million dollars

to be the Bachelorette. Facts. Dude, they literally bamboozled. It would save the franchise. They literally bamboozled me into watching Vanderpump Villa because of Secret Life's Mormon wives. Like, so I'm just like, imagine what that would do for Bachelorette. Oh, God, it'd be so, it would be so,

Taylor was made to be the Bachelorette. I mean, everything that franchise wants in their Bachelorette, Taylor has it. Everything, and more. Exactly. And like, I just remember like old Disney days when they would do like crossover episodes with like Sweet Life of Zack and Cody and Hannah Montana.

They used to do all those crossover episodes and like it was so fun. And I love when networks do that where they cross over all of their different cast on the different shows. Like it would just be so good. Like imagine how many like iconic Hannah Brown moments we would get from Taylor, right?

And like, you know, we love a Bachelorette who knows how to push back but like it has to be authentic, right? We've seen too many Bachelorettes try to like recreate their Hannah Brown moment in an authentic way Like can you imagine Taylor would be like I'm speaking. All right now go. It would just be It would just be so good. It would be so amazing I just oh and they would be actually able to cast men who would like Who know about her right like they know she has three kids They know that she like can be messy they know her so they they would cast men who? Want to be in that relationship and who want to like I don't know

I think it would do a lot, yeah, it would do a lot better because the men would know what they're getting into, they would sign up to be with Taylor. It would be, I don't think they, it's such a no-brainer. At this point, they need to make a big decision like that to save the franchise. Absolutely. Like they just need to.

I don't know what they would do for a bachelor. I mean, again, I don't know if that perfect person's out there. The person I have in my head, I don't know if he would do it, but they're a little bit of synergy, Danny Amendola. Oh. Former football player, super hot. I think he has a little bit of a bad track record

with like Olivia Colpo. He just has his girlfriends. Maybe. All I know is he can do backflips. No. He can do backflips. I don't think he would do back flips. He can do back flips. I don't think he would do it, but that would get the people excited. They need someone not, there's no one in the franchise.

The only person who could possibly do it is Tyler, who is not available, who has a girlfriend. By the way, go listen to that Going Deeper episode out yesterday. His lovely girlfriend, Tate Madden, talk about their new relationship, so be sure to definitely check that out. But if he were single, he would be the one person from the Bachelor franchise that people would get excited about. There's no one else that would actually get people excited to watch.

So they're gonna have to go outside of the franchise, but they need to pick someone who's not a nobody. It needs to be someone who people are aware of, some kind of star power, some kind of pull. And he needs to be hot. He needs to be someone who people are aware of, some kind of star power, some kind of pole, and he needs to be hot. He needs to be super hot, and women need to want to be in his orbit. Up next, we got Charlie from Love Island.

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Yeah, I, so many questions, but like first and foremost, how's your heart? How are you feeling? Have you recovered from the sadness of being dumped or you're still mourning it? Dude, I'm not going to lie. It's really has been, this itself now is a different journey of processing the emotions. It's raw. It's real mate. You know what I mean? The way in which it happened was brutal. You saw, we had the conversation for those last two days. I was competing for this girl. I was, I felt like I was losing her. There was the ups, there was the downs. And then we had this beautiful moment where, you know, we're looking at each of her and we think, okay, this is it. This is the typical love Island journey

where someone had their head turned but they realize actually what I've got is something I like. And we were like, okay then it's me and you versus the world. Let's do this. Whatever comes our way. I really thought we were about to embark on a proper journey and then to have it just ripped apart by like force of nature, man is brutal.

And yeah, it hurts mate like You know the fact that I'm sitting here and by technicality She's continuing with the very guy that I was competing against. It's hard mate. It's hard Who do you blame for your departure Austin or Amaya? Okay, you know what? I think Austin was just voting from a perspective I think Austin was voting for what a perspective I think Austin was voting for what people should be voting who you think had the weakest connection you know and um that's what he went with I don't blame Austin but Maya's disappointed me big time and I'll tell you

why because Amaya me and Hannah had actually like comforted Amaya so much Amaya had cried in front of me I'd looked after I'd given her like, I told her just wait, you will find someone, you know, I'd been there for her, I'd check in on her. And she knows my connection with Hannah, you know, she often joked that me and Hannah were like her parents, because we were always looking like, you know, there for her. So I was confused, because not only did she say in that conversation I had with her that, you know, Hannah's her closest friend, but also she also saw from what I saw in the conversation now that she understood that what I did was out of confusion and impulsiveness. Like, you know, she understood that aspect. So when she stood up, I thought, wow, is she gonna get like, what's gonna happen? And she voted me and I'm still confused and really disappointed by that vote, man, because like, I just feel like I was robbed, man,

of a real, real like real journey. And it hurts that me and Hannah didn't get to see each of a grove at the world as well, you know? Yeah, no, it was a real bummer. And I don't think anyone faulted you for even your conversation with Amaya just because it is Love Island. And it's not like you pressed her hard

or you acted all weird. You were the only guy, at least that we got to see, who acknowledged the ick, right? So many people joke about the ick and things like that. I loved your self-awareness early in the season where you're like, I don't know, maybe I gave the girls the ick. And usually when guys are that self-aware,

they're not actually doing it. But like, you were just like, hey, listen, Hannah, she's exploring, maybe I should explore. And it just kind of felt like she, I don't know, maybe she just got too uncomfortable with the closeness. I don't know, but it definitely felt like an overreaction. And to your point, it seemed like a surprise because she was the one who talked to you off the ledge.

She came as a friend and then the vote almost felt vindictive in a weird way. It was messed up. 100%, man, 100%. Let's be real. I didn't want to pull her for a chat. I felt like I had to. I felt I was in a situation where

the girl that I'm coupled up with, that I'm like I had to, I felt I was in a situation where the girl that I'm coupled up with that, you know, I'm building these feelings for, she's going, she just gone for another chat with Pepe. I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, well, what am I going to do? And what I like, should I, is this not part of it? I've got to at least try it, you know? So the thing is, the key word is like, I felt I had to, not I wanted to. And you saw the energy in that, like you say, it wasn't like I pressed her hard. I was just seeing. And it's a shame that that's what backfired.

And the truth is I really didn't want to explore anyone else but Hannah, so. Have you had the opportunity to watch everything back and then also watch what has happened since you left? So I've watched all my journey back, and I'll be honest with you, it kind of, I don't wanna see, I saw a bit of the episode where the day after they got to go on a date,

and look, I'm gonna be real, part of me feels like it should have been me there, do you know what I mean? Like, it's hard to watch. So I haven't really been watching the new episodes like that, and if I do, I just skip anything that I can see from him. I just go, I saw it, Jalen went last night and I've heard about Austin's with

Amaya now. Good for Austin. I think that guy is so real. He's so authentic. Whatever he does, I support it. You know? You know, I was kind of shocked because like, come in, I think you're a handsome guy. You got a great sexy accent especially the Americans You know the chick the chicks tell the ladies tell me that shit They dig an accent But I was a bit surprised because it seemed like early on for whatever reason You were having a hard time making connections with any of the women and I was just kind of thinking like what what am I not?

Seeing about this Charlie guy Nick was like does his breath stink? seeing about this Charlie guy. Nick was like, does his breath stink? Is he sure? What's wrong? What's going on? But I really appreciate it, especially with Hannah, which makes it all that more disappointing because it seemed like you were just like, you really seemed open to trying to making authentic connections. And that seemed like you were like not trying to force anything. And I think you're seeing some things online, some criticism with your, your cast mates, that there seems to be a little bit of gamesmanship going on and almost a little bit of strategizing. Did you get any sense of that while you were there in the villa? You know what? I'll be straight up and honest. No one ever mentioned talking about finals

or anything like that, but I think the first time I felt like, okay, maybe this tactical vote in or just saving friends was that night where I got voted out. But you are right, mate, in the beginning, it was a struggle. The only girl I really had a kind of kind of moments with was Shelley. But other than that, there was just no spark. And the thing is with me, mate, I can't force a spark, you know, I can't do that. And again, why I think I'm like a good Love Island specimen, yeah, is because I do just follow my heartmate and go with where it is. And if that means I make stupid decisions out of impulsivity and confusion, I'm going to do that.

But I'm also going to follow it in the way that it's saying. And maybe that's a downfall. But like, that's why I was so like into Hannah when she first appeared, she was right up my street. I was really attracted to her and energy wise, you know, we, we connected man. So that, that's what was missing from the earlier girls. I just didn't have the energy and the maybe necessary like first attraction. Something we, we saw the past couple episodes is Austin, your boy, kind of calling out the rest of the guys as followers of Ace. Ace is kind of like a ringleader with the guys and a lot of the other guys are just

kind of following what Ace has to say. I know you and Austin were kind of boys. Did you sense any of that? And then there's some speculation out there, like Ace and Shelly knew each other even more than they led on. Like I guess apparently there's a video of like Ace wishing Shelly like a happy Valentine's day.

Yeah. Yeah. So nothing verified, don't really know, but it's like when you're watching it, it really feels like Ace and Shelly are kind of playing us. Like, and then when you're watching it, it really feels like Ace and Shelley are kind of playing us. Like, and then when he pulled Amora, Amaya, excuse me. I did the same thing.

I got a name wrong in the challenges. When he pulled Amaya and then immediately was like, yeah, I don't touch you. Don't look at me. We're not going to. It's just like, whoa, like what that, I don't know, man. What's going on? No. So originally I did think there was a bit of a cat and mouse game between them.

And you know, my early days, I was stuck in between that ace and Shelly situation. And I always just felt like, you know, why aren't they just work, you know, going together and doing it? Like, you know, seeing, seeing what's going on. There was that in terms of ringleader, I don't necessarily think the guys are following Ace or anything. I just think that night they all wanted a vote of Huda. Me and Austin were doing our own thing. I know what I was. I literally just, I was just following what I thought. But yeah, definitely I was surprised he didn't pick Shelly in the coupling up, but now they're together. Now let's see if it works, but that's really interesting.

But yeah, at first I thought it's interesting. Is that a bit of a cat and mouse game between them? What's going on? But you know, I think he's just going about it in a way where he's, well, he's big on the exploring thing, isn't he? So, you know, but I wouldn't know about Ringleader. I don't know about that. Cool.

What is your opinion on Jeremiah and Huda's relationship? But I wouldn't know about Ringleader. I don't know about that. Cool. What is your opinion on Jeremiah and Huda's relationship? So I always said and felt that I feel like the downfall of Huda and Jeremiah would be Huda and Jeremiah. I didn't think it would be a bombshell walking in. I didn't think it would be anything like that. I just felt it would be the pressure that they created for themselves would eventually implode.

And I think there was things that were going on later on where she was like getting at him for like stupid things like the pancake thing, for example, like the guy was up every morning making breakfast. One day he doesn't make a pancake for her and she gets onto him about it. No one wants to deal with that. Do you know what I mean?

Like, I just feel like, yeah, maybe that's, I think maybe it's run its course. I think Jeremiah now is in a position where he's gonna be looking into the girls, you know? And I think he's now gonna be in the process of the real La Violin journey now. Maybe he'll go out with another girl. Maybe he will go back to Huda, who knows?

But yeah, like I said, I never thought it would be a bombshell that would break them up. I just thought it would be like themselves. Yeah, definitely a good call. It seemed like, you know, I think America was shocked that they voted to keep Huda. It really felt like, you know, kind of like Ace was saying, it's just like, listen, nothing against either of them. It was just that they coupled up and got closed off so fast. They wanted them to explore. And it seemed like now that Jeremiah decided to like say, you know what, enough's enough. I'm gonna go with Iris.

This is too toxic, too fast. It seemed like them saving Huda was them saying, listen, it's nothing against you, but we're gonna give you a second chance because now that like Jeremiah's moved on, we want you to be more open if a new bombshell comes in. Do you think Huda has the maturity to take advantage of this grace that the cast gave her and seize this opportunity? Or do

you think she's going to still be centered on and focused on Jeremiah and kind of keep the drama going? Wow. Okay. So I'm definitely going to re watch that more now that I know that what's happened. going to re watch that more now that I know that what's happened. But I feel as though she's kind of got to you, right? Again, like you can't look, she's obviously going to still want Jeremiah. I think, you know, she's definitely still going to want Jeremiah and Jeremiah is a catchmate. Good looking dude. Good, good. Like, you know, etiquette. But I mean, what's she going to do? She just going to sit. She could sit there and try and get him back and it could have been disastrously. Like, do you know what I mean?

But I'm not too sure, man. Maybe, maybe we'll see. Maybe she won't give up on him and maybe it will create more drama. But you know, like I say, I've been, I saw that Jaylin went last night, but I didn't see all the, all the bits. You got to catch up. It's craziness. It's, um didn't see all the bits. You gotta catch up. It's craziness. Yeah, it's, she's a-

You gotta catch up. She's a passionate one, that Huda, you know? Yeah, I may know her 100%, 100%, but will it go in her favor? I don't know about that. Did you realize that there was a movement for you, for everyone to DM Love Island on Instagram and have them either bring you for Casa Amor

or bring you back at some point. Is there a part of you that would do that? Or are you like, I think my time's done? Mate, send me back in. Let's see if you've got, mate, no, no, I'm sitting like, I was robbed. Listen, if she had picked Pepe in a decision, hands up, I'll take it.

You know what, mate? You know, she chose you. That's a typical La Violin dumping. Not the way I went out, man. I went out, every the world saw that she chose me. She wanted me, she wanted to continue this journey with me. So let's see if they continue, right? If they get through classroom or if they don't,

set me back in after or in it, yeah? And let's see, mate. Let's see if I head back and turn back to Charlie. Do you know what I mean? Because I think there's some unfinished business there. I've definitely got unfinished business and I feel like I definitely deserve redemption. Charlie, if they don't send you back in,

I'm all for it. Like I said, you've been my favorite, but I'm sure the world would love to know a little bit more about you. I'd love to know, how did you end up on Love Island USA? Being a boy from the UK, Love Island obviously got its birth and its popularity in UK, how did you end up here rather than on that show?

Right, and I'll tell you, so it's actually a mad story. So basically last year I had a holiday romance with an American girl from Los Angeles, and during while I was with her, she kept telling me about, cause you know, the UK birthed La Violin, she was like, have you seen La Violin USA this year? It's like really popping off. And I was like, oh, no, not really, you know,

but she showed me bits while we're together. And I really was into this girl. And when she had to go back to America and I couldn't really join her, I was really down bad about it, man. I was gutted. It was like, like, you know, devastated about it. And while I was trying to get over

her and we lost after we basically called it a day and was like, this is not good anymore to speak, I was like, do you know what, this isn't going to be the last time she sees me, you know, and I know that sounds bad. So I thought I'm going to apply for the violin season seven, right? Because I want a chance. Yeah. And as the time went on, and I genuinely was getting over her and, you know, it wasn't more about her seeing me or anything like that. It was more about, I want a chance to meet somebody as well, because what had happened with her when we realized I'm ready, you know, and it just kept going on. And I was like, what's going on? I'm moving down this process. They like me, like what the, like this is actually happening. And then, you know, before you know it, months have gone by like half a year and, you know,

I started this process in November. So then I moved to Australia. I got, I was getting in shape and I was just getting a tan just in case this was gonna happen. And it happened, mate. And all of a sudden this lad from Birmingham, this random ass city from England

is going on Love Island USA. And I'm thinking, what am I doing here, mate? Have you gotten a call from your ex? Well, she's not my ex. And I haven't had my phone and I haven't had my phone. And I don't want it to seem she didn't do anything bad. She didn't do anything bad or anything like that. It was just a situation where it couldn't have worked anyway. But it was her that showed me Love Island USA. And I was like, I'm going to try it out, you know? And yeah, I manifested it, man. And it happened. And at times I'd look around and

I'm with all these American people who were just like characters out of a movie, so animated. And I'm like, but they probably thought the same about me. I'd say random things that they'd find hilarious. That is just normal to me because I think my accent would just crack them up. Or I'd say things that they didn't understand. Like they like when I say proper, like apparently that's a funny thing. Apparently you guys don't say it. I was, Oh, it's proper cool that in it. Like, but yeah, so that's how I ended up. So the irony, the madness of it is at the time when I was gutted about it, like I'm good, you know, I can't be with this girl. That had to happen for a reason because if it didn't happen, I would not be sitting here speaking to you lovely people and it's crazy and we're here and I've been on a journey.

And now, now I've got to get over Hannah. Well, I mean, listen, who knows? Obviously, there's a lot of Love Island left and you know, there was a similar situation last season with Rob and Andrea yeah, and like she was definitely planning on waiting for him and who knows what can happen But if Hannah comes out single, are you gonna hit her up and and see if there's still something there? Look if Hannah comes out single and we're both in that headspace I think either way I think look we went through a really unique experience that people have to understand. It's not just you're dating on the outside. You're doing something really quite intense and quite, you know, just only you and her and the other people that are in there understand what's going on. So you can't, it's kind of amplified

and like it's deeper in a weird way. So yeah, like, look mate, like if we're both in that headspace and we both think it's right, um, and she's in a place, yeah, man. Of course. Are you shocked to find out that Huda's mommy? Yeah, so I found that out when I was watching the episode and she didn't tell anyone. She didn't tell anyone actually in there. I remember, I remember actually, the day that happened, that conversation, Jeremiah walked back and his like head looked a bit scrambled.

And I was like, you're right, bro. How was that conversation? He was like, oh, no, it's cool, bro. It's cool. It's cool. I was like, okay. But I didn't know that. And no judgment on that or anything.

But yeah, I didn't know that. And I didn't know Austin and Amaya now. So good for him. He's out of the Shelley Ace triangle. I've been there. You want to's out of the Shelley Ace triangle. I've been there. You wanna get out of it. You don't wanna be in there, mate.

It's, it feels like a vortex that you can't escape. So good for him. I wanna see him grow, man. You know, it's a crazy one. When you're not falling in love in the villa, like what are you doing? Like what were you doing before you came? Like what is the life like for Charlie, for all the ladies who like what are you doing? Like what were you doing before you came? Like what is a life like for Charlie?

For all the ladies who are gonna DM you, what can they expect, you know, your life to be like? Before I was ever serious about finding someone and dating serious, look, you know, I was on Hinge, I was meeting girls and enjoying being single, you know? Being the, all right, like little flings here and there. And, you know, I don't know if I'll jump back on Hens though now. Okay.

Well, now you're famous. Yeah. Well, I don't know about that, but you know. They're going to think you're a catfish. Yeah. What do you do? What did you do for work? So I'm a trained, so I'm a model.

I model, right? Attracts. Acting model. And that's what I'm gonna continue to do now that I've just got to get back into the real world with it. But, you know, throughout my life, like I've never had a girlfriend or a relationship

and it's now that time, I'm like 20, I turned 28 next week and it's come on, it's like, come on, mate, it's about time you start, you know, getting to it, man. But yeah, that's me acting, modeling, did a bit of hosting on Bond Street for Van Cleef and stuff. And yeah, just trying to do my thing, man. Do you think there's any chance that you make the move to LA or New York or America?

Are you open to something like that? Dude, 100%, man. I'm all about life experience. Of course, I've modeled in the United Kingdom now. I'd love to go to America. I was actually in Los Angeles for a month back in 2018, working that out. And I think now I've made so many friends

and I'd also, you know, I've done the violin USA. It would be a bit silly to not go to America and see what's out there. Do you know what I mean? And yeah, like let's continue this journey, man. Let's ride the wave. A video of you has resurfaced of you singing Oh shit

Why am I singing I don't know this song you've got long hair It's pretty old it seems Yeah, you've got a good voice on YouTube is it the video on YouTube I found it on tik-tok I'm sure they found it on YouTube. Yes where I've got a beanie on I think you do got a good voice. On YouTube, is it the video on YouTube? I found it on TikTok. I'm sure they found it on YouTube, yes. Where I've got a beanie on. I think you do have a beanie on, yeah. Yeah, like, so I made a bit of music back in, yeah, I was like making music and stuff as well.

That's just like some rough stuff. But to be honest with you, I've actually got some stuff in the locker that's actually just way more like, like I'd be on my, you know, release some music, you know, it's kind of like alternative indie rock, you know what I mean? All right. Well, now's definitely the time to... This one.

...got it. Oh no, yeah, that was in my cousin, yeah. How old is that? I went through a phase, mate. Not gonna lie to you. Shit, man, you gotta try some things out. You gotta swing and miss. It's all about your at-bats, bro. 100%, man. Look, I'm a creative guy and I think I was just creating some stuff with my cousin, having fun with it. And you go through phases and if I do make stuff, it's gonna be on point.

Before we let you go, Charlie, I know there's a lot of season left in Love Island, but between the couples that exist right now, who do you think has the best chance of ending up together or winning the show? Or do you think that couple doesn't exist yet? So yeah, to be honest, bro, I do feel like right now, I feel like that couple doesn't exist yet,

but you know what? I'd have to say just on authenticity of his journey so far, I think I'd love to see where Austin goes, you know, because I do think he's really come into this journey and he's really had to like play it cool. Like it's not, it's not easy being in a couple with a girl and knowing that she's obviously into another person more. And he's really been doing that for like two weeks. So now that he's in a couple with another girl

who's gonna give him some more time, let's see how they grow. Cause I think it's all about authenticity, man. And who's someone who you feel like America hasn't really got to see their true self and maybe has like a little loosening up to do and break out of their shell. America didn't get to see my troops.

They cut me off short, man. Justice for Charlie. Yeah, they didn't get to test me. They didn't get to, you know what I mean? I wanted my turn to be tested and stuff, but that's my answer, man. All right. Would you do Love Island UK if they came Colin? My heart's with Love Island US now. Listen if they asked just I used to still say yes. Really? Drunken? You know what I mean? I like this one. I hear it's a pretty big deal. Listen, listen you know make them fight for you you know like of Love Island USA wants to send you home

early but they've brought bombshells back before you never know like you're obviously Yeah, yeah, I mean shit Rob Rob before before he was a star last season in season six He was a bombshell I think in season five. So you never know clearly yarded a dynamic personality America loves you. We love you here We were sad to see you go ma'am But we appreciate your time Charlie for all the people who want to see you go, ma'am, but we appreciate your time, Charlie. For all the people who wanna follow you and support you after your journey,

where can they find you on Instagram and TikTok? Yeah, so at Charlie Georgia on Instagram. My TikTok, I haven't really been using, but I will try. I'm more of an Instagram guy. Start doing those dances, bro. All right. You're locking.

Mate, listen, you've already seen me singing, mate. You don't wanna see me dance, yeah? Yeah, we do. Mate, listen, you've already seen me singing, mate. You don't want to see me dance, yeah? Yeah, we do. Yeah, we do. Charlie, appreciate your time, man. Sorry to see you go, but congratulations on a great run, man. It's been great talking to you. Peace and love, guys.

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Truly. I did feel like, you know, obviously when he gave her the, you know, like, well listen, if you don't find someone, just give me a call and girls already moved on. Hannah is, I mean, at least Hannah can acknowledge it. She didn't wear lip gloss the next day. Well, at least Hannah's like the body ain't even cold

and I'm going on a date. Like at least she can acknowledge, like, you know, it's not her choice. She's being sent on a date. It's not even her fault, what's she supposed to do? Like if she wants to leave with Charlie, she should have left with Charlie. Right.

And she did, I think her and Pepe had a really good conversation of just like, let's go slow. Obviously this was weird. Sorry that I got super emotional. I want you to also have a great experience here. So I don't want to taint that experience just because my connection left.

That's why I honestly, I think it's fascinating because Huda is so polarizing now. You're now getting like a, there's like a defend Huda movement going on online and things like that. But what I appreciate about Huda, like she is, like she's the star of the season, but she is so, her behavior is so toxic that when you get moments from Pepe or like anyone on this cast who like is like.

Iris. Nice. And they're just like, hey man, I just want to move slow and I really understand and I really appreciate you and I just want to check on you. When you just get like nice normal behavior, you're just like, it's like so good to see. It's like heartwarming. Refreshing. You know, you're just like, oh my God.

It's a breath of fresh air. There's still, there's still good people with like, you know, good healthy emotions out there. And like, it's just the contrast of Huda. She makes you appreciate what is normally just kind of boring television. And you have like a visceral reaction to like Pepe just being like, hey, just like it's it's cool. It's chill. And I'm like, Oh, what a great guy, you know, what a good, decent human being.

It's wild. She just makes you feel so much every time Huda is just opens her mouth. Did y'all see her, someone on TikTok found her tattoo on her wrist of her daughter's birthday. And they're like, send her home to plan her daughter's fifth birthday. Huh? Oh no. I plan her daughter's fifth birthday. Huh?

Oh no. I would never miss River's birthday. I don't care what the hell I'm doing. I'm, you cannot count me in for that. I will not be missing my daughter's birthday. I'm so sorry. So like, maybe she thought she'd be sent home by then. Maybe she was like, guys, I'll go. I'll be out of there before her birthday.

It's tough because she really thinks the I'm a mom card is like her ace in the hole, like her absolute like, and no one gives a fuck. One of my favorite things online, do you have that? Give credit to the creator who made that. What, the like mom response ranking? The funniest things I've seen online in terms of Love Island content was from?

It's Artor whatevs, A-R-T-O-R whatevs. Yeah, so they ranked all of Huda's, ranking I'm a mom reactions. They ranked at number five, all of the women being like, amazing on the first day when she told them that she's a mom. And then coming in at number four, or no, they said, I know that's right.

When she said I'm a mom. Coming in at number four is Sierra going, amazing after, is like, you're my soul sister, I have to tell you something. And then at number three, we have Jeremiah and his reaction, which was what it was. Then we have coming in at, literally, it was just mumbling. Then at number two, we have Ace.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. My mom also a mom. I have a mom too. My mom's a mom too. And then coming in at number one, we have Nick's mommy. Mamacita. Wait, can I add one more to the list?

Austin's, wait, she has a kid? Yeah. Yeah. They were like, that was crazy. We haven't even like, that's a thing. We haven't even gotten to Huda finding out that Jeremiah, like- And Olandria.

That was really Olandria's fault though. Either way, but you know she's gonna blame Jeremiah. The way Huda just makes up shit in her head that she claims Jeremiah said. Yeah, when she's eavesdropping on these men after this date. Excuse me guys, I have to go to the bathroom. Doesn't even attempt to go to the bathroom.

I don't know, maybe that's editing, who knows. But it seemingly- Sits on the stairs and then takes off her shoes to make sure she's being extra quiet and peeks around the corner to listen. And then hears- The way I had no idea. She literally hears, yeah, I had a good date. It was like, you know, it was cool. She's a cool girl. And I'm definitely open to getting to know her. She takes that, right, you're a bitch, you're a bitch. Which that is the most like alarming thing to hear

when she screams the like you're a pussy, you're a bitch. Pussy ass bitch. It's so alarming. She gets back over to those people and like, he's a liar. He said that he was gonna take Iris to try to. Basically she just accused him of using Iris to strategize to win Love Island. It was like this whole, he didn't even remotely say.

I don't even know she got that. He was basically talking about exploring. He was open to exploring something with Iris. And he was talking about, damned if I do, damned if I don't. Which I also kind of felt like I related to in two episodes ago where it was like, they were sitting here being like, you're coupled up from day one,

it's fake, it's phony, I don't buy it. And then he goes on the date with Iris, enjoys it, America's telling him to couple up with her, and then they're mad at him for not comforting Huda for going on the date. Like the whole thing was just so, like I kind of felt for him in that moment because I was just like he really can't do anything. But I will say he's getting it from all angles. I've dated some Huda's. I will say remember I mean he really did set this tone for Huda and I do feel bad for her in that

aspect because Jeremiah has really made her feel I mean the first fucking challenge 10 minutes into the episode he's not kissing anyone else. Like, he's showing her, like, you're the only person I'm interested in, and, like, it's me and you till the end. So, of course she's gonna have this, like, crazy-ass reaction, like, he did set her up for failure. I agree with that.

And also, like, epic. But that's not, like, I don't think his trying to, like, commit to one person early on was some sort of strategy that justifies this response to her. I think Jeremiah and Huda both are clearly giving a lot of immaturity. I don't think Jeremiah's a pussy ass bitch,

but I don't think Jeremiah is the man that Ace is. Like, Ace is a sure of himself, he knows what he wants, he has conviction, he is not afraid of people disagreeing with him, and Jeremiah is like a people pleaser, he's very self conscious about what people are thinking, so much so that that's why you see him constantly fucking up,

because it's like either Jeremiah's worrying about how Huda's gonna react, or Jeremiah's worrying about what people are thinking, so much so that that's why you see him constantly fucking up. Because it's like, either Jeremiah's worrying about how Huda's going to react, or Jeremiah's worrying about what his boys are thinking of him. Ace. Yeah. You know? Ace doesn't give a fuck about any, I mean, you know, I think he wants, you know, but he has that maturity that you're lacking with Jeremiah.

But I don't feel like, I'd just say Jeremiah set up Huda because he like leaned into that relationship. I don't know. Leaned into it 10 minutes in. They coupled, they all were making out and this man would not even kiss Ulyssa on her lips. Definitely a mistake, but I don't think that's, people wanna call that like love bombing, you know?

Like there are people out there accusing Jeremiah of like love bombing because he focused on Huda. Like I have no problem, like I don't have any problem with these two people like really focusing on each other. He said she was cute after she like said the most toxic shit to him. Yeah, they're a toxic couple for sure. I mean like to give both of them grace,

like we've all been them,, we've all been them. We've all had a version of this relationship, just the constant back and forth. To be able to sling those words at each other, whether someone's calling you a pussy ass bitch or you're calling someone a pussy ass bitch, it's crazy that 30 minutes later, these same two people could be like

touching each other's feet in a conversation. But we've all fucking been there. So like, you know, I think we have to give a little grace. I hate it when like we're watching TV shows like this and people like, is Huda's behavior verbally abusive? Yes. But like, I think if Huda is like this constantly all the time in a relationship,

that's an abusive relationship. Well, that's all we've seen of her. Sure, but a one-off reaction on TV, I think we just need to be careful. She's called him that multiple times. Not a one-off. Sure. I mean, I don't know if she's abusive. I do have some empathy for Huda though too,

because she did say at the beginning that she hasn't dated in four years. This is her first time. It's a very weird environment to get back into dating. And I'm like, when you're in this isolated environment and this guy is saying that he's 100% in, like she's looking for like a father for her child. She's not just like looking for like a temporary hookup.

So I think like I also give- I get that when she tells ace. I'm not excusing her behavior. Listen, I get that as a mother, she wants to maybe be more intentional with her dating and maybe she doesn't wanna go around. But it's also like, girl, like you went on Love Island. You're on Love Island.

You know, and there was someone, there's someone online claiming to be Huda's friend, claiming that Huda never watched the show. And maybe that is true, but I have a very hard time believing that Huda not only didn't watch the show as a fan prior to it, and didn't do any research, period. I didn't watch The Bachelorette before I went on the show,

but when I got casted, I watched lots of episodes prior to coming on to know what I was getting myself into. But also, it's like like if she didn't wanna like date all these people and do all this stuff, then like she is participating in the challenges. Like she is tonguing down other men and like, you know. Also, Taylor, Taylor's been pretty closed off with the Landria and like look at how Taylor handled

the recoupling. He just was like, I'm sad, this sucks. And he just was quiet and he was mature and he let Orlando do her thing. He didn't get clingy. He didn't get possessive. He didn't get toxic. And what happened? She came right back to him because he showed, he showed her like the kind of qualities that you want in a partner when they face adversity. Like all relationship, like honeymoon phase, like yeah, you're hot, we're physically attracted to each other.

What is this person gonna do when shit gets tough? And Huda is this like, I'm gonna turn in to a fucking tornado and you better watch out. Like that doesn't make your partner feel safe. Yeah, I mean, I do think Jeremiah should have comforted her when that happened. For sure.

Definitely should have. The thing that annoys me the most on Love Island is when somebody says, like, are you gonna chat to her tonight? He said, I'm gonna do it tomorrow. It's like, just do it tonight. What else do you have to do? What else do you have to do?

Why do you have to wait until tomorrow? Like go talk to her. She doesn't want you to wait until tomorrow. And then he does it again when he watches her leave the room and just goes right back to sleep. Yeah, Jeremiah, he shows a lot of weakness. You know what I'm saying? Like it was ridiculous that he didn't comfort Huda.

Like he absolutely, he's like, I just wanna be alone with my pillow tonight. It's like, you can't just go and check on her? Like he absolutely should have. What did he say to Iris when he was just like, the only person I wanna talk to is my pillow. I can't, I'm not in a place to talk right now. And also like, why is he acting like something happened?

I mean, I know something happened, there was a recoupling, but like, what does that mean? Like, again, like Taylor and Alandria, like, they were just like, okay, you're with Jalen. We can still, like, I can still pull you for a chat, and we can still hold hands when I pull you for a chat. Like, you don't have to act like it's the end of the fucking world.

I mean, Huda clearly wanted Jeremiah to like go and sleep, he can't sleep in soul ties, because Ace is in soul ties, but she wanted him to go sleep, like, by the pool on a lawn chair, and the fact that he stayed in the bed with Iris sent her to another level, and like, even when he did it the next night after she had brought it up, it's like, okay, where do you want this man to sleep, babe?

Like, they're not touching. They're on opposite ends. It's like, just come on. And it's, I mean- Well, that's how you know they're just not suited for each other because like she wants something and Jeremiah is not that something.

And so it's like at a certain point, just leave it alone. I think also, because remember, well, I think they kind of admitted to it, but Huda and Jeremiah seemed to have sex the night after Iris showed up, right? The night after the S&M date where he's making out, I think it was that night they first hooked up.

And if you listen to this show, you hear me say it all the time, men do not fall in love having sex. And it just seemed like Huda was like, that's tonight, I'm gonna lock this shit down. We're gonna have some sex. He's gonna be mine. She seemingly felt threatened by Iris showing up.

And again, just a reminder, that's not how guys operate, you know? It's just like it doesn't, you know, emotionally it doesn't make men feel more connected. I'm not saying, you know, Jeremiah tried to maneuver or anything like that, but like it doesn't make him go, oh, I'm more in love with you the next morning. This is not how guys work, you know?

That's not how it works. And so for all the ladies out there listening, if you're like thinking you're like, you're losing this guy or he's losing interest sleeping with him is not going to make him like you more. Whenever Huda ran back lying again, it just, it reminded me of the time that she was like, yeah, I remember he said he wants to like move in with me. And it was like, girl, he never said that. But then she's like, I'm going to go talk to Iris about this date.

And she charges upstairs and she sits with her and she's like, so tell me about this date. Iris is like, oh, we just sat on the beach. That's my dream date. It's like, like he planned it. No, literally. And it's like Iris was like, going to the beach. And we kayaked. Is that also your dream date or would you hate kayaking? I don't know if I should tell you that. Iris is definitely like, fuck, I should have said kayaking

cause she clearly was just like, I'm gonna tell her as little as possible. We just sat on the beach. That's my dream date. And he knows that, like girl. Can we talk about though, how like Sierra kind of called her out a little bit in the dressing room where she was like, let's not be calling each other names like that, but watching them all sit there

and watch Huda and like make fun of her. And then there was a moment where she was like posing for them and they were like, oh, I think she thinks we're like looking at her. And it was just so mean. I was like, you guys like. I kind of disagree. I think it's normal.

Like, what are we doing here? We're talking about this behavior. The think it's normal. What are we doing here? We're talking about this behavior. The behavior is so extreme. And also, I think what's more telling is when Huda pulled Iris, the fact that the entire cast, including the men, were basically like, we need to go make sure Iris is okay. I thought that was insane.

Should we go? What does he think Huda's capable of? Like, you know what I'm saying? That's fucking crazy that the entire cast was like worried about if Iris is okay. So I'm just like, I think Huda's behavior is so outrageous. They're clearly intimidated by her. She clearly is reactive. You know, when Sierra was trying, Sierra and Orlando were trying to like check her,

they're clearly tiptoeing around the conversation. Like Orlando was like, so like, what are your non-negotiables? They're like trying to like make her see like that some of her behavior is not okay. And then Huda like shut it down. So like, I don't think it's that crazy that a group of people are just like, again, fed up with her behavior, she's cannibalizing everyone's time, all the conversations about her. So for them to be talking about it with each other, I don't think is that crazy or that mean.

And yeah, they changed the conversation, it seemed a little catty when Nick's like, so anyways, what music do you listen to? That broke my heart, honestly. I was just like, I just wish, maybe they're cutting it. I don't know. But I just like, aside from that comment from Sierra and maybe a couple other little ones,

nobody's really just sitting her down and being like BFFR. Leah, what about her behavior says that you can sit her down and she will talk to you? But nobody's tried, I don't know. Well, because just to try it. I feel like at the end of the day, women, this is how some women handle their friends being upset. And it's a lot of like, girl, fuck him,

you're way better than him, you don't deserve that, like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. And it's not like, let me hold you accountable for the actions that you have done and show you this was not okay. And I don't think Huda would respond to that very well. So I think they're all just kind of like, either not gonna say anything or do the Amaya of it all

and be like, your tiara is falling girl, let's fix your tiara or whatever the fuck she said. Yeah, I mean, if you're- He unbothered. If your entire behavior or how you respond to adversity is just very aggressive and very reactive. You don't get to be like, well, why didn't you like hold me accountable? Like why didn't you check me?

If you have to give people space, you have to like allow people to say, hey, I'm okay with you giving me feedback. I'll handle it well because it is tough to like check your friend. It is tough to like deliver bad news to someone. And she also just like runs over to them and just like so aggressively just like complains about Jeremiah. And to the point where it's like, yeah, I probably, unless my friend was like,

or am I seeing this different? You know, like if, it's like if Huda at any point was like, or am I seeing, like, am I doing something? She hasn't once had any moment of self-reflection. It's all just been like, I've been amazing, I've been great, and he's treated me like shit. And like, now I'm seeing that he's a liar, and he never cared about me.

There was a moment right after the America vote where she was like, does America hate me? And all the girls were like, well, you're looking at it wrong. Like, maybe they're protecting you. And I think that that's what sent her on the spiral because then she was like, oh, America's trying to like have my back.

America's on my side. And so then she felt more empowered to be like, I am the strong woman in this relationship who's be like, I haven't been seeing how I've been mistreated and now I'm gonna like up and walk away because. She definitely took it that way, but it was just all the women had to say was that little suggestion and she ran with it.

Also when she went to talk to Jeremiah and she was like, America thinks this and America thinks that you do this to me. It was like, girl, don't speak for me. I felt like I was at the dinner table with a couple and they're including you in their fight. And you're like, I wasn't, I wasn't there. Why am I here?

Don't put words in my mouth. I felt called out on the couch. When Ace goes to Jeremiah, do you know how much America is? Cause Nick was like, it's not just us. It's also America. Ace is like, do you know how much America is? Also the way that Huda is treating Iris

behind all of the women's back. Obviously we had the little clip of her talking and being like, she's not a girl's girl, the way that she's moving and like whatever, which is just insane. And then we have like after this recoupling, when she like comes through that wall and she's like, she wanted to hurt Iris. She wanted Iris to feel like shit.

And she came out of that door and she said, he's not attracted to you. He said you're not his type. He said that he's just like, he didn't care about you. Yeah, it's like. And first of all, all he said is, she's not my type. And you know what?

That shouldn't be like a dig. You know, it's funny because it's interesting. You see it the opposite way. You know, like people think, oh, I only like brunettes, you know, it's funny because it's interesting. You see it the opposite way. You know, like people think, oh, I only like brunettes, you know, and things like that. And so it's like when you say, oh, you're definitely his type as if like there's nothing unique about you, you know, you're just, you're just another one

of the girls he's like into. And then when you're like not its type, it's supposed to be also a dig. I don't know. Like clearly Iris is a beautiful woman. Like maybe she's not his type, but's supposed to be also a dig. I don't know, like clearly Iris is a beautiful woman, like maybe she's not his type, but like you mean to tell me like Jeremiah can't be attracted to Iris, please. You know, but like also like, yeah, he didn't say

I'm not attracted to her, I don't think. I don't think he said that. I think he did say she's not my type. I know he definitely said she's not his type, but I was like, that's also like placating in the conversation. Yeah, he was just placating Huda. Like it wasn't about Iris, it was about like, that's also like placating in the conversation. Yeah, he was just placating Huda. Like it wasn't about Iris.

It was about like trying to talk Huda off a ledge. But yeah, it's- And the way that Iris still got up and stood behind Huda, Huda would never. Never. Never. Never. I mean, and also like all those people are fake as fuck.

I'm so sorry. Like I think they were so scared to do that in front of her face. Like, I think if there was... You don't think it was them trying to give her grace? The ace of it all really confused me. Do you feel like the ace of it all was because he secretly likes Hoda and he wanted her to stay?

I don't. I mean, you guys know what I think about them, but... It definitely was an eyebrow raise for me because I was like, you've been going hard on this chick for like a week now and their whole relationship since the start and now you want her to stay because, and that's what I'm saying, like where it's like, almost like the toxic or like maybe producing.

I just feel like Ace has too many strategies to be on this show. And I just feel like it's like, he knows that like the drama that's gonna happen of keeping Huda in versus like, you want her gone. I think that's, I think that's the thing is, I think that's gonna happen of keeping Hutta in versus like, you want her gone. You voted her out. Last week. I think that's more likely. I just don't understand because it's like,

if you guys all band together and stand behind Jaylen, okay, you can be a little bit afraid for those 30 minutes where she's packing her bags, but then she's out of the villa. That's all right, it's not about that. That's what I'm saying. Okay, but I think it's, I don't think they're as fake as, I think there's a couple things at play here.

One, I think there's definitely a bond when it comes to like the original cast. And like Jalen is sweet of a man as he is. Like he's just, he's just sweet and like he's lovely, but like Orlando gave him a shot. He's not, you know, he just, she decided to pick Taylor. That's done. It's like kind of time for him to go.

And the group's biggest problem with Huda is just the fact that it's her and Jeremiah. And Jeremiah clearly was like, this seemed like to be a definitive decision by Jeremiah to be like, all right, I'm done with this. So the logic could be, hey, we're gonna give you another chance, Huda, and maybe they'll bring in a bombshell,

but now that you are done with Jeremiah and this is over, will you just, this is really her second chance. I don't think anyone is expecting her to take the second chance, but when next episode airs, is she gonna accept that Jeremiah and her are done, and is she gonna be open to meeting someone new, and is she gonna look in the mirror, so to speak, and be like, you know what, I lost my shit,

but like my friends checked me, Iris was literally a girl's girl, like you know what I'm saying? And I also think there's a lot of pressure, like all the girl, girl, every fucking reality TV show we watch now, it's every woman on there claiming to be a girl's girl, you know? And even Huda is claiming to be a girl's girl

when she's just like bashing other women for no reason when she doesn't get her way. So I- But remember the shit she said about Amaya? Yeah. And now Amaya's like been her best like supporter. Yeah. So I just don't fault the women.

And Sierra started the trend. Like Sierra, Nick did his thing, and Sierra was probably like, you know what, I'm gonna stand behind my girl, you know, I'm gonna give her a shot, so then the rest of the women followed suit. Even Iris did that, and that's just like, no, solidarity with the women, I'm gonna give her a shot. And then you saw a preview of Sierra being like,

basically saying, that was like, I'm giving you a shot, I'm gonna give you grace, let's see what you do with it. So like, I don't think it's fake, I think it's them offering her grace and a legitimate second chance to like correct herself and let's see what she does. If they do it again, it's fake.

I just hope that Sierra in that clip that we saw, I hope Huda was in the room when she said that. She wasn't. Right, exactly, that's the thing is that like, they're all talking about this toxic relationship behind their backs, but nobody, and then yeah, they're telling Jeremiah to his face, but nobody's has the courage to tell Huda like.

I think nobody wants to be at odds with Huda either. No one embraces confrontation like me. And I honestly don't think someone like Huda. It wouldn't be worth it. She wouldn't hear you. Yeah, they wanna stay copacetic. They wanna be on the same page and it's like being at odds with her.

They don't want that energy. And like how many times have you had a friend that's in a toxic relationship and the second that like, you're like, you need to get out, he sucks. They're like, all of a sudden like, no, he doesn't suck. Why are you trying to break us up? Yes, no, that has happened to me.

That has happened to me before with a friend where I've told them like, this is not a good relationship for you It's punished. But that's the thing is that it's like but at least I said it, you know And then and then after that I'm like, okay You know what I said what needed to be said and now you do with that what you will but they have Alandria was like there's so many red flags. He's love bombing you like maybe like they're like this is a blessing Don't go back to him. Like they've all said that.

And she doesn't care. Puda said it will take a miracle for her to forgive Jeremiah. And 20 minutes later, she's putting her feet on his feet. And then she's throwing a pillow at him and she's saying, fuck you, and getting up and storming out. Well then she says, never again.

And then puts his name for the door, where it's like, obviously who else is what she's gonna put. But it's just like, even then she could have chose no one and been like his name for the door, where it's like, obviously, who else is she gonna put? But it's just like, even then, she could have chose no one and been like, I'd rather be single than be with this person. Like, it's just like, there's choices that she could have made, and it seems like they were gonna go down this like, we break up, now we're back together, break up, go back together.

And I also like, I get that for the other islanders too, that it's like, after a while, you're just like, should I get off the pot? Because this is my everyday that I'm not even enjoying my connection, because what are we talking about? What is everybody breaking off and sit, or like, we should've get off the pot. Cause this is my everyday that I'm not even enjoying my connection. Cause what are we talking about? What is everybody breaking off or like we're staring at you guys making a scene. Right, no you're right.

It's like, it's like Sierra and Nick are trying to build a connection and all they can talk about is Huda and Jeremiah. We forgot about all the other connections. Yeah, and Huda come sits down and is like, fuck this guy, fuck this, fuck that. And I'd be like, I'm so tired of hearing. We're just talking about zoo animals.

Literally. And Huda is And I'd be like, I'm so tired of hearing. It's like, we're just talking about zoo animals. Exhilarating. And Huda's that classic person who like, I always said, it's the most selfish people who accuse everyone else of being selfish. Because if you're a selfish person in your world, everyone should be thinking about you. And if they're not thinking about you, they're selfish. And everything that Huda does has an angle to it, right?

So she's like, I'm doing this for you, Jeremiah, but it's always like, I'm only doing this for you because she's always clocking how he's gonna respond. How is he gonna act? She'll get out of bed, she'll want Jeremiah to follow her, and then she will deliver that back as, well, I got up because I wanted to spend more time with you, and he's like, you didn't get up for that,

you wanted to see what he would do when you did that. It's always about testing him. Everything's a test. But she is a star. I mean, I also think she's the, God bless her. She's definitely the star. I really, really hope that they, none of the men in the villa right now

are gonna go for Huda after all of this. Unless she really just chills out for a couple of days. You'll know what the producers think of Huda and whether they want her to stay or not if they bring in someone that could actually match with Huda. Did y'all see there is someone on TikTok found a moment where when Ace was like yelling at Jeremiah about, oh, and it got like a little heated with Ace.

They all like turned and looked, all of them. And then they turned back and Ace stopped fighting. And he kind of like threw his hand out like, man, whatever. It was like the producer had told Ace, like y'all need to chill. Like you need to bring it down. There's like a scene of all of them turning and looking.

And then it comes back and they're like, all right, man, whatever. Listen, it's a reality TV show. There are producers, they produce, like it happens. So, Lin reality on TikTok. Alexa Lin. And noticed that it seemingly Jeremiah sprayed his cologne on-

He said that. Yeah. He said I sprayed, he sprayed it. Oh, okay. Well, she pointed that out. Anyways, that's how I noticed it. So- No, it's a moment that I definitely didn't-

Definitely toxic. Well, yeah, cause Taylor was like, he said I sprayed cologne on her bed. That's cute, right? And then Taylor was like, that's toxic as hell. Fuck yeah. I'm sorry, but also Jeremiah having that moment when after they like fought or whatever the morning after

and she's like lifting weights and he's like walking behind her and she's kind of giving him some like nice energy and he was just like nonchalant queen. I love that about you or something. So yeah. Are you done with her or are you not? But again, we've all been in these types of relationships where it's so back and forth.

You don't know if you're supposed to stay or go. But I honestly, like, I'm gonna be for real. I don't give Huda the grace. She's a mom. You can't act like this. You are the mother to a four-year-old child. Like, you can't act like this anymore. You have to grow up.

You have to be an adult. You have to like not handle, you have to get therapy and get help and work on yourself and not handle situations like this anymore because you have a daughter. You have someone to look after. And I just don't give her the grace of like, oh, she's just an attachment style.

She's just like, okay, if that's not working for you, you need to go work on it. Like I just don't give her the, because she has a kid, I don't give her the light. It is fascinating that as the mom on the cast, she is acting the most immature is kind of wild. I'm nervous for her to come out of the villa. I really am.

Like I am worried for her mental health. I do think it is crazy that like people go and comment under their personal pages. They don't have their phones. They're not gonna see that. That is, they're only gonna see it when they get out. Yeah, they're only gonna see it when they get out.

Someone needs to disable comments. But also, again, this is a crazy atmosphere. They are put in an environment where they are poked and prodded and pushed. For our entertainment. They all deserve grace, you know? And we also need to show, as much as we are breaking this all down,

like Huda is the star of this season and she is making it must-see television. And I am tuned the fuck in this season because of Huda. She might be exhausting at times, but like she is the star. I wanna give a shout out to Austin and Amaya. I think people widely underestimated Austin. I also love that Austin was, I like Ace, he seems to be right most of the time.

He's a funny guy, but Austin was the only guy to like point out that like some of the rest of the men are just like followers of Ace. Like Austin, like he's a standup guy. Like he walks his own path. He's a goofy guy. He's not a follower. Like I respect the hell out of Austin.

I love that he went with Amaya. I think they're cute together. I also like really appreciate Amaya. She's goofy. Like, yeah, she's a little corky. She's grown on me. I think she's legit. Austin Boston,

the way, like the name she calls these people. When she goes, so where are you from? And he goes, I'm from Michigan. Oh, so you're American. She wanted him to say like he's from Germany, you know? I'm digging them hard. She's really funny, I like her. And again, like, you know, I think with,

we'll see what happens with Ace and Shelly, but it really just feels a bit performative and a bit kind of forced. Like they are really cute together. I mean, they really, you feel the palpable chemistry with them, but it just feels like that relationship hasn't started organically, where it feels like Amaya and Austin found each other.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I like that Orlando and Taylor had to like break up and recouple and come back together. It feels authentic. It feels like Orlando really give Jalen a chance and was like, you know what? You're a country boy. But like all you have to say, he's just like, yeah, we talked while we rubbed. No. And they're like, did you get butterflies?

And she was like, I got moths. Like, oh shit. Yeah, like, I don't know. It's just more authentic. We'll see with Nick and Sierra. I feel like Nick's more for the boys than he is anything else. Yeah. I'm not feeling the chemistry between him and Sierra.

But I think just so much has gone on because we did feel the chemistry with the two of them and now I think just like Hood has taken over. Alright, well we're still going. One more interview to go. Candice King is with us. She's got a new hit show. We Were Liars streaming now on Amazon Prime. You probably know Candice from Vampire Diaries, but she's rocking it in this new show and

is much see television. If you like a juicy juicy scandalous rich couple doing Scandalous things on a beach think of love Island and in do it like introduce maybe murder. We'll see That's what we're talking about with we were liars and we talked all about it and more with Candace Wait before we get to Candace We have to talk about Huda doing her big one in that outfit. The lace tights, the corseted top. She was like, I'm gonna put on my baddest fit

and I'm gonna make him want me so bad. That was so, I mean, she went all out in that outfit. You can tell she's all out of sorts because she's pulling outfits preemptively before, that was like, she was saving an outfit for a special occasion. She's like, no, pulling it now. Yeah. Gotta make them want me. For her to walk down and up for five minutes and then turn around crying because he pulled out a chair for Iris.

Oh my God. And you knew it was coming. You knew it was coming. Now they called it. Jeremiah was like, I'm going to walk Iris off the stairs. You see her to lock eyes with that chair and Jeremiah's hand pulling it. She's like, I'm fucking done. Fucking done. He never pulled a chair out for me. And honestly, if Jeremiah was still on the fence

before that moment, after that chair, he was like, that's crazy behavior. I love how Nick calls him Jeremiah. Jeremiah. Jeremiah in Orontia. Well, that's how Nick pronounces like Jeremy too. Jeremy. Jeremy, yeah. Fuck you guys, I'm from Wisconsin.

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kind of out of touch family that just always really hits in a way. Yes, it's that like, ooh, this lifestyle looks so enticing, but also it's a nightmare, so I don't really want to be there, but also I would love to lay on that beach and drink those cocktails, but they seem really stressed, so maybe not in that environment. What made you most excited about this project to get into it?

Well, I've heard, well, We Were Liars was, for anyone that read the book, it has a very big fan base of the book, and it really blew up in 2020 with the, as the children call it, the book talk trends. And I've worked with Julie Plec and Karina McKenzie for a very long time. I know them from Vampire Diaries and from the originals.

And so when they were kind of chasing after this project to bring it to the screen, I was just sitting there being like, oh this would be so wonderful to be a part of and I was just so excited watching them develop it and so having the chance to then audition for it and be in it was like the cherry on top of the whole process. It's like the perfect amount of escapism with the Sinclair family, who's like the central family of the story. A psychological thriller of this like what happened to Cadence Sinclair and what is the big family secret. And also at the heart of it, it's this really beautiful love story of these like two teenagers falling in love for the first time

and just reading the book truly brought up like all these sentimental feelings of like the first crush I had and my first kiss and I think it's really hard to kind of remember those butterflies as a grumpy old adult sometimes. Do you remember your first like real kiss? Yeah, I do. I do, I was in a skating rink actually. Oh, with roller skates on? Wow, that's impressive. I know. And Nick. I'm a professional roller skater.

Are you? Do you call yourself that or are you actually? Yeah, self-proclaimed. Well, yeah, I'm pretty good. Okay, so can you go backwards? Oh, yeah. Do you do like the like feet in front of the, I can do that move,

because I just roller skated last week. Really? Yeah, we took the Girl Scouts out. I'm a Girl Scout troop leader, and we went roller skating the other week. Yeah, I haven't done it in a while. Actually, no, I did it like a couple months ago. So there was some team outing.

It's good that you're good at it, because I feel like that would be like a very difficult thing. I feel like a grown man on roller skates that doesn't know how to do it, that's a rough thing to witness. I learned when I was four and I just loved it. And then you just keep it. It's in your blood.

Muscle memory. I don't like doing things I'm not good at. That's exactly how I feel. I'm trying to get better at it, actually. I could get better at trying things I'm not good at. I don't fuck with karaoke at all because I can't sing period. And I don't know what I,

that's what everyone says that, but I don't know how to have fun and look like an idiot. Honestly, no one wants to watch karaoke of someone who is like very good at singing because it's like, okay, this is, you know. Which is why I stopped going to karaoke in LA because everyone. Everyone is auditioning.

Everyone should be, should have like a music everyone. Everyone is auditioning. Everyone should have a music label. Everyone is good here, everyone. Wait, where was your first kiss then? It was leaving my friend Justin's house. Shout out Justin. Yeah. And yeah, it was like my first makeout. I remember being like.

Your first kiss was a first makeout? Yeah, like I mean like a real kiss. Like a real one, real one. It felt like an adult kiss, not like, you know, I remember like this girl named Leslie gave me a butterfly kiss in the first grade and like, I don't know, like whatever. Butterfly.

You know when you touch eyelashes? Yeah, thank you. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not real. Whatever, I'm just saying. But like, yeah, our first time using tongue and I remember sprinting home and like excitement, just like I was a kid just running through the wind feeling very cool.

I was in eighth grade. Third grade, eighth grade. Wow. Where was yours? I was on a like family ski trip and it was like a family friend's son who I'd had a crush on for a couple of years and we had like taken a snowy walk.

Oh wow. And it was snowing, and I was a freshman in high school and had braces. I was like, oh my gosh, this is happening. But it was the biggest deal, and everything slows down, and the sense memory. But it's funny, even,

that's actually one of my favorite moments and the little sense memory of when in Liars, they do like all these close up shots of like the teens noticing them, like the other person, like close up on eyelashes and the toes touching, and you just forget all those little like moments, those big, giant feelings.

So yeah, I'm a soccer career love story. Do you ever get caught by parents making out in like high school? I don't think so, I have no, giant feelings. So yeah, I'm a sucker for a love story. Do you ever get caught by parents making out in like high school? I don't think so. I have no memory of that. I did once. It was really bad. Where was it?

It was at her. I went to her house and she had like a back, her parents like built this like cabin in the back and we just like made out for a couple hours. And then they- Hours? I don't know. It feels like hours. I'm pretty sure it was. It was amazing how long you could make out for in couple hours and then they, I don't know. It feels like hours. I'm pretty sure it was.

It was amazing how long you could make out for in high school because you didn't know what else to do. So you just kept making out. We didn't have Snapchat. Yeah, you're like, I think I'm just gonna keep going. And then her parent, like her mom and her like aunt came and I knew something was up. Like thankfully they didn't like walk in on us.

But they spotted you through a window? Or something. And then her dad took me home and the vibes were just off and I got a call the next day from her being like, yeah, they saw us and I can't hang out with you anymore. And I felt like a, because I always thought I was a pretty good kid. I was a rule follower and I felt like a really bad person

because I was like someone's parents said they couldn't hang out with me anymore. And I felt like really- bad person because I was like someone's parents said they couldn't hang out with me anymore and I felt like really. You know it's crazy and I'm so scared now that we have a daughter because of the things that I did. And this is like remembering when I was in high school and I lived with my dad and I would sneak my boyfriend in. He would park like at the Kroger up the street

and would walk, cause we lived in like a gated community, he'd like go under the fence or jump the fence or whatever and would walk to my house. And I remember one time I snuck him in and my dad was like, came out of his room for some reason. And he was like, the way our house was set up, it was like the garage and you would walk in

and there was a stair, right when you walked in from the garage, there was a stairwell up to like the office. And then there was the laundry room and you kept going. And it was like the kitchen and whatever. And he had just come in the garage door and my dad like comes around the corner and he jumps into the stairwell. And my dad's like changing the laundry.

And my boyfriend at the time is like standing in the stairwell, like sucking in, hiding, like for dear life. And I remember I knew this was happening and I was like, dad, can you come here for a second? I need to show you something like crazy. And then he would spend the night, he would spend the night, Candace, and sneak out.

And at four in the morning, he would leave right before my dad would wake up. But I remember one time, we put all of a bunch of blankets and stuff in the attic so that if for some reason, he could go in there to hide. It was the craziest, most diabolical way of thinking and now I'm like so scared. I didn't have that type of gut.

I remember my junior prom, my prom date, it was the first time my parents let me have like a co-ed sleepover and all the parents were okay with it and you know, she like wanted to sleep in the same bed and I was like, absolutely not. And then she finally was like, no, we're, you know, and then she fell asleep and I got off and slept on the floor.

Cause I was just like, I'm just like, I think probably had trauma from the time I got caught like a year ago. The shame. You guys are much cooler than me. I got caught cause I, I wanted for that boy that I had my first kiss with, we were chatting on AIM and I would print out our conversations

so I could keep them in our like love binder. No, that's something, yeah. That was something we all did. I know. It's so precious. But I left a couple of papers and the family printer and my parents found them and I was just like. They read them at the dinner table.

They read them and I was like, it's just a kiss, dad. Was he mad? They got me back. They pranked me pretty good because he ended up asking me to prom and it was a big day because it was like a freshman going with a junior.

And my dad, we had like a family printer and so in the printer had been like left an invitation for like an event for my parents to go to. And it was on the same night as my prom at the same place. And I grabbed the paper and went downstairs and I was like, you guys aren't going. And they're like, what? We're all gonna go to prom together?

This sounds amazing. And my dad had literally just had like someone fax, like sent fax it in. Yes, and it was just a prank. And I had a total meltdown. You know? Those are fun parents. They're pretty fun.

Yeah, they keep me giggling. Do you feel like you've taken some of that as now you're parenting your own children or have you gone a different route? No, I think I haven't worked my way up to like pranks quite yet. Yeah. But I keep it fun.

I don't know. I think it's generational, like what we find funny. That was a good one though. That was, it was also a good way to, I mean, I reacted so largely at the thought of them going to prom. It was a good way for them to be like, calm down. Like.

Well, speaking of being good at singing, you actually started your career as a singer and toured with Miley Cyrus. I did in a different lifetime. It's pretty incredible. Do you ever miss it or like wonder if you would have focused more on that career trajectory versus acting

or are you kind of happy with how it played out? I'm happy, I'm definitely happy. I love what I do. I loved music, it was my whole life and it's what brought me out to LA and actually what got me started in acting. I got signed to a label when I was 16 and they had actually told me to maybe start auditioning.

This was also the early aughts when everyone was doing a lot of crossovers for reality shows or, you know, One Tree Hill was a big thing. You'd see a lot of artists on that show. And so they're like, yeah, if you like get on show, then we'll like, it'll help your record. And, and I really fell in love with it. I had a bunch of friends who were my age who happened to be working actors on TV shows. So I'd go hang out with them on sets. And I just thought this is a cool family. Like it just,

anytime being on a set felt like a family. And I can attest to that, then having the opportunity to be on a show that ran for eight seasons and the family that that became. But yeah, I was like, I'm gonna be a pop star, an international pop star. And by the time I had been dropped from the label, I was lucky enough to get a gig as a backup singer. And when I saw even a 14 year old Miley Cyrus on stage, When dropped from the label, I was lucky enough to get a gig as a backup singer.

When I saw even a 14-year-old Miley Cyrus on stage, I was like, oh, that's an international pop star. I get it now. But this has been a good run. I got to do my thing. I got to do a stadium tour. It was the biggest selling out. It was awesome.

I was 19 years old traveling on a tour bus for a year. I had a fantastic time. No, that's crazy. Is your nine year old a boy or girl? I have two girls, two girls. OK. Did they know like like that? Yeah, yeah. That you've like done some crazy stuff. Sometimes. Yeah, they think it like they make my nine year old things. That's cool. Now, I think she started watching

Hannah Montana and then watched the movie and I'm in the end of the movie for a minute as one of the backup singers and so she thought that was cool. And then she got to see there's the best of both worlds tour movie and I'm in that as well as myself, which is fun.

Do you have a project in your acting career that you, I mean, I'm the in that as well as myself, which is fun. Do you have a project in your acting career that you, I mean, I'm not the most proud of, but yeah, like that was the most fun or most memorable or just like you really enjoyed that project versus another one? I mean, nothing will top The Vampire Diaries. I, it was, that's impossible. It's so, a long running show like that is just

you don't really come across them that often these days. And it was the entirety of my 20s. I got that job when I was 21. I learned so much working on that show and we weren't bored. We also got to film in Atlanta. So whereas I think a lot of other successful shows during that time were in New York or in LA, there was this like, you know, potential for the stress of going to events and red carpets and you know, we were all just as not even just as a cast,

but as a crew just waiting to end our Friday night so we could all go to like our local favorite wine bar together and hang out. I mean, we were all very close as a crew as well. So, and we were all transplants for the most part. And even a lot of the crew members were in their twenties because the business was just starting up in Atlanta. So personally, it was so fun.

Professionally, you know, I just, I really love what I got to do and the fact that so many people still watch it. Well, I was gonna ask you, because now that streamers being what they are, so many kids and younger people are being able to become fans of shows that have come and gone,

because it's so easy to go back and watch. You must be experiencing, still, new people finding Vampire Diaries and watching it and consuming it and falling in love with your character and you for a job that you did so many years ago. Yeah, Caroline Forbes is still very much a part of my life and it's wild that the fans and viewers

just keep getting younger as we all get older. And we do, now it's kind of fun and cool to do conventions and Comic-Cons. I think that there's a new culture around fandom that is actually really cool now and not just as this subculture. And so it's not only a fun opportunity for us to meet people that are finding the show for the first time

or who loved watching the show before, but it's a great way for us to still see each other all the time. The wildest thing is so much of it that I don't remember. I get each other all the time. The wildest thing is like so much of it that I don't remember. I get asked questions all the time, you know, like someone will be like, what the moonstone? It was like, moonstone?

What? I don't remember that part. But eventually I told my nine-year-old that she really wants to watch it. Yeah, I was gonna ask you, has she? No, and I've like, I've said this story a few times, but like she really wants to watch it. And I've tried gonna ask you, has she? No, and I've said this story a few times, but she really wants to watch it, and I've tried to explain to her,

well, mommy, it's a little scary, but also mommy kisses a lot of boys. And she was like, oh, well, it's not like you're in your bra on underwear or something. I was like, well, mommy is in underwear. You know, it's a costume. But I was like, this is different, because I was in the room with a lot of people, I was being paid, and I was like, no, no, no, actually, no, for a little underwear. It's a costume. But it's like, it's different, because I was in the room with a lot of people,

I was being paid, and I was like, no, no, no, actually no, no, no. Oh, that sounds bad, sorry. That's not the lesson here. Mommy's not ready to handle this, so we're not gonna watch it yet. So, off the table. Yeah, you know.

It's not like you're in bra and underwear. I'm in it quite often. Like that first season, I just remember was rough on my dad. Yeah, I just remember, because my parents didn't understand. My dad's a cardiovascular surgeon. My mom was an environmental engineer for a long time. And so when I told them like, I got a pilot,

they're like, cool, what are you doing for a job? They had no concept of what that meant. And until it was on TV, and my dad was really sweet where he'd be like, yeah, we're making sure the hospital turns all the TVs. And until it was on TV and my dad was really sweet where he'd be like, yeah, we're making sure the hospital turns all the TVs. Cause this was back in the old days when TV was live. And he would go make sure that all the TVs were turned on

to like the CW for ratings to help. But not realizing that like by the second episode, I'm like in a bed in my bra. He's showing all of his patience. Yes, and I was like, dad, don't. You know, the slow motion. I'm just being like, sorry about that. I feel like We Were Liars has a chance

to be a really huge show. Just kind of given the, you know, again, a lot of projects like these, especially if they're based off of very successful books, and just again, this, I don't know, just watching the first episode, I'm like, this is gonna hit, like this, especially if they're based off of very successful books, and just again, this, I know, just watching the first episode, I'm like, this is gonna hit, like this, I don't know. I feel, I'm expecting big things. Do you get nervous about stuff, or do you kind of like,

do you try to put it away and just let it come out and just see, or do you get a sense of a project and whether it can or can't pop or not? I really don't know. I mean, I know that obviously this story, like the book, We Were Liars has such a dedicated fandom. And if you've read the book, you know why. And my favorite thing about it is on the back cover,

it says, if anyone asks you what this book is about lie, because you just like, you don't want it, you can't tell them anything. So I do feel that once you if like if you buy into like when you buy into this world and you you like even though this family is very difficult to you know, maybe love all the time. The escapism is really fun. The Sinclair family is a tough, tough, tough family. I don't know if I'd necessarily want to join them for a dinner party. Do you have fun playing characters that are kind of morally flawed and have a dark side? Yes, it's very fun. I know someone asked me what was different about like my about

Caroline Forbes versus Bess Sinclair. And I was like, well, Caroline has, you know, may have the things but Bess Sinclair has a bigger bite. She she is quite the bite. And I think even Emily Lockhart, who wrote the book, she wrote a note to me that was like, you played Bess so mean, like in a good way, like beautifully mean. And she's angry and you see that. And I think there's also something really powerful and beautiful and sexy about an angry woman

because we all are conditioned to like, or I'll just speak for myself and not all women, but like I have found myself like really wanting to get in touch with my anger more in a healthy way, as opposed to like constantly like repressing those feelings. And instead just like welcoming them and making friends with them and trying to use them as a superpower

as opposed to like something I should feel bad about. Obviously you've read the book, obviously you starred in the series. Do you feel like this is something that people should, if they haven't read the book, read the book first, or is it kind of like interchangeable where you'll enjoy both separately? I think you'll enjoy both.

Something that the writers of the show have talked about is like they almost expanded the book. So there's other characters that you get to know more. Like for instance, the sisters, like Bess, the character that I play, you get to know her more in the show than you do in the book. But the love story at its core for the fans

of Cadence and Gat is still very much, you see that play out really beautifully in the show and like the psychological twists and turns. Julie Pleck and Karina know how to write cliffhangers. So each episode it is very bingeable, very, very bingeable. You were so generously gave us, we always like to ask our guests what they're watching

and you gave us a nice list. And it's a mix of both reality and scripted television. I tried it, which I call like my smart television. Like you gotta balance it out, but I'm not very good at it. I thought I just like- You're more reality TV? Well, life is stressful and it just helps me sometimes, you know, to just-

Hey, we love it. I feel like we hear that a lot from actors who actors really enjoy reality TV because I think a couple reasons, one being like, like it's all these other people's crazy life problems and you're just kind of like sitting back and being like, oh, this is so funny and so crazy and then with scripted,

it's kind of like, should I have audition for that? Like, why didn't I get that job? Like, why didn't my agents, like, oh, this is so funny and so crazy. And then with scripted, it's kind of like, should I have auditioned for that? Like, why didn't I get that job? Like, why didn't my agents, like, did someone call? Like, why didn't I get this? Like, what's going on? I feel like I'm gonna play that part a little bit better. Do you feel like you kind of relate to that? I feel like with, I love scripted television.

I think that I'm just, like, I watch a lot of that as well. And then by the time I'm in, for some reason I always forget which ones, because there's so many mini series now. So when I get asked very quickly, like, what are you watching? It's all those, like, I do miss like that weekly, like episode to look forward to.

Like, I love those kinds of weekly drops. So that's why I really love like the studio right now, because that's weekly. And God, that's just brilliant. Our babysitter is in it. Really? Yeah, she played the doctor at the table in the last episode, the really short doctor who,

there was like the two of them. She was the shorter one. Yeah, she was the shorter. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. That's amazing. Well, she's hilarious. It was a great, yeah, shout out. But then yeah, I love, I love reality TV.

And we also, if for anyone that watches a lot of reality TV, you know that they're having to like, there is an art to it. So I'm very impressed by those like long running characters. Have you ever, cause we've interviewed some other actors who told us they've used some reality TV characters as like a character study. And we've heard obviously Mike White talk about

White Lotus who, you know, he is a reality TV star himself on Survivor and he seems to be a big fan of reality TV. And it seemed like a lot of the most recent seasons characters were based off like Southern Charm characters. Have you ever, because obviously some of the more craziest reality TV characters are, you know, there might be some good character studies. Have you ever thought of doing that or done that?

Oh, God. I know I, um, for the three sisters, um, I mean, I would joke around with Mamie and Caitlin who, um, it's like the three of us play like the three sisters with the three aunts. Um, and I was joking with them that like, there's like the dynamic a little bit of like the three Kardashian, like three older sisters, but they don't watch any of that. And I don't even watch it, but like, I feel like I see enough of it on my,

you know, I'm in the zeitgeist, so like I pick up on it, but I would like see clips in my like Instagram scrolling and like save them. It just like the banter and like, cause that's the thing about like like I don't have a sister But when I've seen like friends of mine that the way that they talk with their sisters Sometimes there's just like such a bite to it. It's like you they know how to like poke each other's bruises They know where all the hidden bruises are so which what to someone else might not like be a big deal

like the other sister that feels feels that push into the bruise is just like, how dare you? And that was what was really fun about the dynamic of these three kind of central female adult characters is that they were willing to just dig into each other's bruised spots. And so, I don't know. Not that that's what happens on the Kardashians

all the time, I don't know. I don't's what happens on the Kardashians all the time, I don't know. I don't watch, but the clips that I've seen. I think they definitely know how to scat each other. Okay, pick and poke at each other. Okay, gotcha. Pick and poke at each other, yeah. And you were a fan of White Lotus you watched? I did, yeah, yeah, yeah. Has that become the show that every actor

kinda hopes to get a chance to be in, or? I don't know, I mean, I think it's just like, the, where they film is also incredible. I mean, there's obviously something to say about just like, just being on a set and working with people that you really admire and, but, you know, obviously where they go is also incredibly beautiful. And when that's like an added bonus

and it's not just like, you know, kind of in the middle of nowhere with like freezing below temperatures, you know what I mean? Random hotel. Yeah, random like hotel chains, you know, they're being put up in very, very lovely places. So I think that there's like a cache to that

that sounds really amazing. Yeah, I think they stay at the like resorts. It sounds pretty cool. It sounds pretty nice. It sounds pretty nice. But yeah, I think that like, again, I just love that a show, I like having something to look forward to every week. I like that routine. I miss it from being a kid.

I liked my like, you know, weekly getting excited for like the Dawson's Creek. And then as I got older, like my Thursday's on ABC, like I love that kind of weekly thing to look forward to. So it's just a different- So you're loving your weekly of the Valley? I am, I am. I'm like, what day is it?

It's not Tuesday yet. It's one of my new favorite shows on television. I, why? I, when it was coming out the first season, I was like, I don't know if I can do that. Cause I also lived around the corner from there when I lived in LA. So I just, there was one night like,

when everyone from Vanderpump was like living in the Valley and I remember going to like Casa Vega and like everyone was there. And it was the only time I'd ever seen everyone like together. And I was like meeting up with old friends I hadn't seen in a year or two. And I just said, I'm so sorry, but the entire cast of Inner Pump Rules

is sitting behind you, and I'm gone. I'm just out for the night. I have to see what happens over there. My ear is at their table. We run into Kristin Doty at the dog park. Very exciting time for her. I just love the, maybe it's just the season of life that we're in, and I'm just,

as someone who's been on reality TV, like I say this almost every week we watch it, but I'm just kind of sometimes shocked by, whether it's Jax Taylor or Jesse now, just like their willingness to say or do some of the terrible things they do, and specifically the Jax and Jesse. It's just like, it's one thing to,

I don't know, just be kind of a sloppy dater or something, I don't know, but like some of these guys really demonstrate some really terrible behavior, you know, and talk to women in a way that's like, troubling. And I'm just kind of like, yeah, I don't know, it's just like, and they'm just kind of like, yeah, I don't know. It's just like, and they're also talking like, you know, Michelle and Jesse, going through divorce,

talking about child, it's like, I'm uncomfortable watching it at the same time, just like, it's real life shit. And it's like, I kind of just, I really, I'm very, I find myself very engaged watching it, just because of the level of topics they get into. I find that too. I also think it's interesting that,

I mean, for me, I watched Vanderpump from the very beginning. So I, what, I was trying to do the math is this like 15 years later. So I feel like I watched these, we've all like kind of grown up together in this weird way, as opposed to just like jumping into the show

right here and right now. So not that any of it's excused behavior, but it's almost like my brain's been conditioned to like expect it, which I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing. But this is also like a weird time in society with social media where it's like, people film themselves crying so that they can like post

a thing about it later you know and it's just it's a very like sharing time and you know I don't I'm not gonna put judgment it's just a lot of people that do it so I I don't know I I'm fascinated by how a lot of these people who are also playing characters and who are working and you are working and entertaining and know their role within the show. Perfect example, Jessie and I'm blanking on her name, Michelle, who are getting divorced

and doing this all on TV, knowing that it's gonna be around forever and ever and ever, it's definitely, I don't know how, that's a very big pill to swallow. Yeah, it's so funny that you point that out. I feel like there's been so many trends on TikTok or whatever of like showing a point in your life

where you were sad and whatever, and then now you're like this changed person. And I'm always like, oh, I'd love to participate in that, but I just don't have any videos of me like sitting in my room sobbing. You know, like I just didn't, I forgot to press record when those were happening. I feel like I can't participate. videos of me sitting in my room sobbing. I forgot to press record when those were happening. I feel like I can't participate.

I feel left out. Yeah, I always, when I see those, especially if it's just like someone's having a breakdown and I'm like, but you stopped and filmed it. It's a very interesting anthropological study of the choices of content creation. I don't know how it needs to be studied or what the study even needs to be called,

but it's an interesting time right now of big feelings and sharing the big feelings. We have a 15 year old daughter. 15 year old. She's not 15 years old. 15 months. I was like, wow, is this breaking news? Wow.

Like she looks young for her age. And you mentioned you have a nine year old daughter. I mean, we already start our talking about how do we engage with social media? You know, I've a lot of younger siblings, some of which are just now into adulthood. And I'm grateful that, you know, we didn't have a kid, like five, six years ago, I don't think any parent

out there understood the potential dangers of social media platforms or the access that the world had to your children. You know, I think a parent's not- Or to adults. Or to adults. And I think we're now, we're learning just the impact or the past five or six years have had

on our brain psychology and things like that. But yeah, like how have you started incorporating that? I mean, how do you have any advice for us for, I mean, we're a few years away, but like it must, you know, you're kind of getting into that time where I'm guessing your daughter's starting to ask, you know, or maybe they're seeing friends starting to have phones and things like that.

How do you deal with that? Yeah, I don't think anyone knows how. This is all pretty new. Again, I think this isn't even just a generational thing just for this young kids. I think that we're all, I know I'm still trying to figure out my relationship with my phone and social media.

I know there's a book that everyone's talking about right now that I've also like read a lot of chunks of, not all of entirety, but the anxious generation. And you know, I think we're all doing our best. There is not a part of me that needs to judge if a parent has similar age or younger children that wants to get them a cell phone.

They're not my kid. It's not, you know, that's not my path. I don't know what's right. I don't think any of us really do. I literally the other day found myself being like, man, it'd be so much fun if I could give my nine-year-old a way to listen to music, but not be a phone that's accessible to the internet.

And I was almost like, oh, like an iPod Nano. But they don't, it's like, damn it, we're just reverting back. If I I could just give her like, you know, a CD, like that skips when she's riding her bike, you know, and like- Look at all these. Yeah, like a little flip phone. Like I don't really know,

because this is all happening very, very fast. Jumping back to reality TV and Vanderpump, which character in your 20s did you, if you had to pick, relate to the most? Oh God. Could be guy or woman in terms of personality. I wanna say Katie Maloney, but I feel like she stood up for herself

more than I ever would. I feel like I was a mix of Katie and Stassi were melted together. I would always get really, I definitely was that person who was like, it's like Katie and Stassi were like melted together. You know, like I would always get really, like I definitely was that person was like, it's not about me and my birthday. And then be like, it's my birthday. Yeah.

Yeah. Ugh. And, but you know, and then also not as needing. I don't know, Katie always, she was cool. I wish I was cool with her. Do you, do you get in any of the housewives? Yeah. Which one's your favorite?

Salt Lake City. I mean, you can't, like, what a cast. They came out swinging. What about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Of course I watched that. Of course I did. You really like, you really like, straight out on it. You're gonna blow your mind

for season two. I can't even prepare for season two. Like, I know. By the time this comes out, it'll have been out, but. Did you get to watch a few episodes? Nick hosted the reunion. Oh my God. On, for the reunion. Oh my God. On for Hulu.

Oh my God. It's crazy. Is it crazy? It's awesome. I just, I'm. This is me at the reunion. I just also like, there's nothing better than a first season of reality TV

because everyone's fresh. No one really knows what they're doing. But everyone's trying to get a second season. Everyone's like Bambi getting their seat. So they're like, yes, yes. We gotta like really get it. It's erratic. Yeah. It is doing. Everyone's like Bambi getting their seat. Yes, yes. It's erratic. It is like, I love a hot mic moment. Like it's just so.

These women are fighting for their lives. Man. And there's something about, cause you're right, Salt Lake is my favorite housewives. Yes. I don't know what it is about. And I grew up very Catholic. It's fine.

I had a good experience with it, but I relate to Mormons and a lot of like, with the shame that comes from religion and the guilt. But there is something about Mormons, like they, I don't know, like I asked, I was asking some of the women, you know, and the producers of the show, and they were just like, they just, they can't lie, you know?

And it's so, and so when you ask them what they think about the other person, they're just like, putting it all out there. They're just putting it out there because like they have to be honest. And bless them for that. And bless them, really.

And I think it's also the sugar content, whatever sodas, like those sodas stress me out. They're crazy. Like that, watching them drink those 40 ounce sodas is the most stressful thing I've ever seen. With coffee creamer in it. Oh my God. We went to a hulu of it and they're like, do you want some of the Secret Lives of Mormon

wives drink? And I was like, yeah, sure. And then I watched them mix a Dr. Pepper and a Coke and then pour vanilla cream coffee creamer in it. And I was like, I am, I, the person who loves coffee made vanilla coffee creamer is scared to take a sip. Yes, and rightfully so. And rightfully so.

Rightfully so. Speaking of reality TV, did you know that your co-star Emily's mom, Barbara Allen, is dating Kelsey Anderson's dad, Mark? Kelsey Anderson won the bachelor. And her dad was on The Golden Bachelor. And now he's dating Emily's mom. Wow. How crazy.

That is wild. You're very close to reality. You're very close. You've always gotta keep it a degree away. Like you always have to. Do you have a favorite Salt Lake City housewife? Heather Gay. I love Heather Gay.

I love her. I love her, I love her, I love her. I have had the opportunity to interview her. I DM her sometimes as if we're dear friends. And yeah, I find her, I love her, I love her. I have had the opportunity to interview her. I DM her sometimes as if we're dear friends. And yeah, I find myself, I do that sometimes with- I really like Heather. Here's my Heather Gay take and let me know if you agree. I have a ride or die, so I can't.

She disagrees already. So if you wanna go ahead, but she disagrees. I think she's not living up to her full potential. Cause I think sometimes she's already getting mad at me. No, no, no, no. She's like, no. She's a single mom who works too hard, who loves her kids and never stops. She is a survivor.

I think she's willing to be number two when she could be number one. I think she could, I think if she stopped worrying about what Lisa Barlow or any other housewives thought of her, I think she could be queen bee. And I think she sometimes is like too much willing to like agree with Lisa or agree with, you know, when it was when it was Jen Shaw,

like why is she defending? I think she could be the star, the true leader of this pack if she, if she wanted to be. But does she want to be? And she also gave us receipts, proof, timeline. That was like, wasn't it like some congressional hearing? Like that, like it was a moment.

No, she's great. She was number one. She stamped herself as like, that is an iconic moment. Yeah. And so I do think that she has taken the place of number one and then like, I think life happens and sometimes like, do you wanna be number one? Cause then everyone's gunning for you.

That's true. Heather is like, Heather's smart because she's like, I wanna be number one today and tomorrow I'll be four. I don't give a fuck. Long game. She's playing the long game. I'm just ready for the Heather gay season where it's all about her. Where everyone's fighting to be her friend.

Yes. I would love that. I mean, I'm rooting for her. I'm always all about her. Where everyone's fighting to be her friend. Yes. I would love that. I mean, I'm rooting for her. I'm always rooting for her. All right, well, before we let you go, we created a fun game. In the spirit of we were liars and your fandom of the Valley,

we came up with a tooth, truce, and a lie game for Valley characters. Okay, Sierra, do you wanna run this ship? I think I understand the rules. You know those people that go to play a game and they're like, you explain the rules and then everything just sounds like mad. That's my biggest pet peeve.

Okay, yeah, I can do this. I can't do rules. I can't do like how to explain a board game and it's just like, all right, well then if that happens then you have to go back to home. I have to start playing. Yes, just let's play. I have to like play and lose a little bit.

Exactly, take it away, Sierra. I was like, I think I got this simply. I'm gonna give you three statements, two are true, one is a lie on various Valley characters. And we have to figure out which one is a lie. Are we all playing together? Yeah, we're all playing together. Or we're all on the same team. Yes, we're all on the same team.

Two truths and a lie. Did Jax Taylor commit a felony in Hawaii? Did Jax Taylor work in Tampa on a hockey team social media? Or does Jax Taylor own a sports bar in Studio City? Which one is a lie? Well, Hawaii's the sunglasses. And then what was the hockey thing was a storyline for a while.

But the thing is- But he does own jazzes. But does he own it? I don't think he own, allegedly, I'm just gonna put the word allegedly in front of everything, I don't know. Allegedly doesn't own it? Isn't he just putting his name on part of it? It was the worked in Tampa on a hockey team social media.

What was the storyline around that? I could have sworn there was a time, who had the hockey team, was that? He did have a storyline around it. That's why I was like, a real fan will know this. He told Brittany after the whole breakup or whatever that he got a job when they got back together that he had a job offer in Tampa.

That one? Yes. Okay. Yes, in Tampa and that he was gonna do the social media for a hockey team and everybody knew it was bullshit. But I knew that that was a real story. God, this is where I get embarrassed guys. My team makes a tough game.

They really put in the work and trip us up. You'd be like, who's the secretary of treasury? And I'd be like, I don't know. But the Tampa hockey storyline, yeah, it's just right there. All right, we've got Brittany Cartwright. Brittany Cartwright got married in a castle. Brittany Cartwright used to work at Hooters.

Brittany Cartwright competed in figure skating. Competed in figure skating. They got married in a castle in Kentucky and she did work at Hooters, Brittany Cartwright competed in figure skating. Competed in figure skating. They got married in a castle in Kentucky and she did work at Hooters, that's how they met. True thing right there, she didn't even hesitate. This is so embarrassing, I'm like, oh God. The figure skating, I'm like, I can see Brittany doing that.

They got married in a castle in Kentucky. Kristen Doty has Zen Energy now. Kristen Doty owns her own line of crystals. Kristen Doty is engaged and about to have her first baby. She's engaged and about to have her first baby. But you said she's Zen? Yeah, she has Zen energy now. Has Zen energy.

She's been saying that a lot on the show. I don't think, she has a t-shirt line. I don't know if she has a crystal line. Nailed it. Ding, ding. That is the lie. It's so funny because I feel like whenever we do play these games with our guests, like we're always like, oh, they'll crush.

And then it's sometimes kind of like, oh, it's all right. Like you did the best you could. I feel like you're crushing it and like you're competing with like, I don't want people to know how much I know about the show, but I'm highly competitive and I want to get this right. I mean, I remember where I was when Scandival hit. I was on an airplane and I had the wifi and it popped up and we were stuck doing loops because we couldn't land

and I couldn't call or text and I just literally looked over to the woman next to me because I gasped and she was like, is everyone okay? I was like, no. I was like, do you watch Vanderpump Rules? And she was like, no. She goes, so where are you flying? I was like, I can't talk to you right now.

I don't think you understand what has happened. The world is in me. This is a big deal. And I need you to just not engage in conversation with me. Took me a whole two hours to find someone that had watched that show. Scandival is what got me into Bravo, period. Really?

Oh yeah. I was like flirting with it. I'd watched a little bit here, a little bit there. I just got into Salt Lake City, but was like kinda casually watching and then Scandival really pulled me in. And then I really- Oh yeah, no, I'd been, I watched,

I mean, I remember watching Vanderpump Rules when it premiered. God, please keep going. We can pass forward through this part. My audience is gonna love you. I love you for this. No, it's just bad. We've made an entire career

out of being obsessed with reality TV. I know, I like scripted, I love you for this. We've made an entire career out of being obsessed with reality TV. I know, I like script, I love scripted TV too. I just wanna say that, but this is my sweet spot. This is like my, this is my thing. I love it. It's our thing too. Go ahead, Zach Wickham.

All right, Zach Wickham worked as a personal assistant. Zach Wickham is an avid baseball player. Zach Wickham grew up with Brittany in Kentucky. Grew up with Brittany in Kentucky. So, cause he's more, I don't know him too from like Vanderpump really. Grew up, I feel like he might've been a, I don't think he's a, he's not a baseball player.

He was an assistant. Is the baseball player the lie? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, I don't Kentucky. I feel like everyone plays like baseball. I take this very serious. After messing up Jack's Taylor, you're really on a roll.

Oh yeah, I'm not gonna keep them coming. Let's go. You wanna put some money on it? 10, let's go. Janet Caperna was previously in the background of Vanderpump Rules. Janet Caperna's second marriage to Jason, like Jason is her second marriage. Janet Caperola was on a dating show before meeting Jason.

I feel like she was in the background of Vanderpump Rules, so she wasn't on a dating show, because this is also her second marriage. Okay, yeah. Because she talked about it when she brought out the plates, and she was like, this was from my... Okay. It's not a big deal. Just fact checking if anyone needs any fact checks.

This is our last one. Jasmine Good was a contestant on Nick Viall's season a big deal. Just fact checking if anyone needs any fact checks. This is our last one. Jasmine Good was a contestant on Nick Viall's Season of the Bachelor, was formerly a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, has never traveled outside of the US. Pfft. This is even worse because I should know this answer. But she's relatively newer to Bravo. I know.

I think she's gonna have a breakout season at the end. I think by the time this comes out. Rough start. Was she on my season of The Bachelor? No. I'm gonna say no, that's the lie. Was she? Was she on it?

She choked me. She choked me. What? Wow. And then in that moment, I was like, you're made for Bravo. Yeah. Get out. That's very true. She choked me. What? Wow. And then in that moment, I was like, you're made for Bravo. Yeah. Get out.

That's very true. You're not ABC. This is not ABC type of behavior. No, no, this is the B behavior, not the A, B, C. It's the Bravo behavior. Wow. All right. Well, I feel pretty good.

What was that? Yeah, you crushed, yeah. I missed two. And the first one, I still, the technical foul on that because that was still a storyline in the show. Yeah, that was a and the first one I still the technical foul on that because that was still a storyline Yeah, that was that was that was a cheap Tough one to kick off this game. It was a trick question. Yeah, I appreciate it Yes, but Candice has been so much fun. Please come back again

If well if you just want to talk about reality TV or another project, but very excited about we were liars Congratulations on being another part of what I think is gonna be an absolute smash. And just, yeah, thanks for coming by. It's been so fun chatting with you. Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Where can people follow you? Can you have anything else you wanna plug?

Yeah, no, you can hang out with me on Instagram at Candice King. I TikTok, you know, I don't know. I'm on there sometimes, but yeah, I'm so excited for the show to come out. It was made with like a lot of love and a lot of fun. It's on Amazon Prime, June 18th. So happy binging everyone.

Yay, this has been so fun. So much fun. Thank you. Bye. Thank you for listening. Thank you to our guests, Charlie and Candice King. If you haven't checked out the Going Deeper episode with Tyler Cameron and his new girlfriend, Tate Madden,

it's an episode you definitely do not wanna miss, so check it out. More to break down on Tuesday's Reality Recap. Don't forget to check out our Ask Nick episodes on Monday, especially if you're looking for some solid relationship advice, check out our Ask Nick episodes. You might learn a thing or two. Those are every Monday. We'll see you guys all next week. Bye bye!