The Viall Files - E957 – Going Deeper with Jeremiah Brown

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper edition.  Fresh from the Villa, the dearly departed Jeremiah joins Nick to get into all your burning Love Island questions. What brought him to Fiji? Does he have any secrets from his past? What does he really think of Huda? How does he feel about getting the boot? Would he do anything differently? And most importantly… Who is Jeremiah Brown? All your questions, answered. Make sure to tune in!  “Things were amazing… until Pancake day…" Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  Are you struggling with any sort of dating, relationship, or life dilemma? Do you want all the answers? Email [e-mail] with your question in the subject line to express interest in appearing on the show!  To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Thank You to Our Sponsors: Quince - Stick to the staples that last—with elevated essentials from Quince. Go to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and three hundred and 365-day returns. Wayfair - Don’t wait! Make your outdoor space your dream oasis TODAY with Wayfair, and enjoy it all summer long. Head to https://wayfair.com right now to shop a huge outdoor selection. Thrive Market - Skip the junk without overspending. Head over to https://thrivemarket.com/viall to get 30% off your first order and a FREE $60 gift.  Grammarly - Let Grammarly take the busywork off your plate so you can focus on high-impact work. Download Grammarly for free at https://grammarly.com/podcast  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @findjeremiah

What's going on everybody? Welcome to a special episode of The Vile Files Going Deeper Edition. I am your host, Nick, and this is obviously an episode we are all excited to listen to. Jeremiah Brown is our guest. We are happy to be the first to interview him and Lance to break down this episode. Obviously things happen fast at the Villa and so sadly my wife and co-host who's usually here with me for our Going Deeper episodes is not with us. She's traveling today, but we wanted to make sure that we got this interview out to you as soon as possible.

So Jeremiah is coming to you shortly. If you are new to the Vy'L Files and you are here to listen to Jeremiah, a little bit about our show. We're here four days a week. On Monday, if you're into relationship topics, we have our Ask Nick episodes. A lot of people call in,

share their relationship problems and stories. We offer advice. People find it very helpful. Check it out. It's binge worthy every Tuesday and Thursday. Our reality recap episodes covering your favorite reality TV shows like Love Island, your favorite pop culture topics,

and we interview a variety of guests from reality TV stars to celebrities, musicians, and more. And on Wednesdays, we have our Going Deeper episodes, which you're listening to right now, which is our long form deep dive interviews with some of your favorite again celebrities, reality TV stars, and that is with my wife typically and me. So we had Jalen Brown yesterday on Reality Recap. Tomorrow we will have Hannah, but today is all about Jeremiah Brown. So much to get into with him. And without further ado, Jeremiah Brown. There's that face. Can you hear me, Jeremiah?

Yes, sir. Nice to meet you, Nick. How are you? Nice to meet you, man. Big fan. I'm excited to talk with you. I appreciate you taking the time, buddy. Thanks so much for having me. I definitely recognize your face now. I see you. Okay. I was like, okay, I've seen them before. All right. All right. Are you ready to rock and roll? Thanks so much for having me. I definitely recognize your face now I see you. Okay, well. I was like, okay, I've seen them before. All right, all right. Are you ready to rock and roll? Let's do it. Jeremiah, I appreciate you joining the Vibe Files.

Welcome to the show, buddy. Nah, thanks so much for having me, man. I'm happy to be here. I guess as a start, how are you feeling? I mean, I say this to every Islander I talk to, but I'm always just kind of blown away by this experience that you guys go through where you enter the villa, you know, obscure people.

Some of you guys have followings more than others, but that being said, like you come out, international stars, I know it's Love Island USA, but this is the show that's being watched around the world. You know, Megan Thee Stallion's a big fan. You got all these major celebrities, like just enjoying the show, talking about you. Where is your mental health right now?

Is it all like, are you still coming off the sadness of your unceremonious exit? What is it? Like, is it just the world? Like, what's going on? I'm just like, I'm trying to get a sense of your head space right now. Honestly, my head space is,

I'm definitely leaning towards more gratitude because I ain't gonna lie. Like when I came out of there that first night, I was pissed. Like I was trying to keep it calm, cool, collected, leaving, but I was pissed because I was like, damn, my comeback story, you know, got cut short. Like they just seen how happy I was.

You know, I was doing things, you know, right this time. And I still got the boot. So I was like, damn, bro, I was looking mad. But then the more, you know, I'm talking to my family, I'm talking to people here and they've been amazing. So now I'm just grateful and excited to see what's been going on. Cause I don't know, I've heard bits and pieces,

but I don't know like a lot was going on cause I still don't have my phone. But yeah, no, I'm just, right now I'm just like gratitude. That's all I can say. That's good that you're in that head space. Yeah, it's, I have a lot of respect for all of you guys. Cause I just don't think people fully appreciate, like it's just not normal what you guys go through, right?

It's just like, I mean, first of all, like getting famous on reality TV is a trip already, but like you guys, you're getting famous in real time. You know, most people, you know, they go on a show, they film it, they get done, they go back to the families. That's like a whole world when they get get some time to get back to normal. Then a few months later it airs. That's a whole different experience,

but you kind of prep for it, right? And then you can be with your family while you're online and then here you just come out to the fucking noise and it's crazy, man. Well, before we get into all the Love Island stuff, I wanted to get to know you a little bit. You know, like I think people are dying to know who's Jeremiah Brown.

You know, how'd you end up on the show? Everyone's got an opinion. You know, like people come out of the woodwork and be like, I know that guy, I know this guy. So I'd just love to people to hear it from you. So, you know, let's just start with the obvious low hanging fruit questions. Like how did you, Jeremiah, end up on Love Island?

How I ended up on Love Island? Basically, I had just moved to LA two years ago and they reached out two years ago, but I had a girlfriend at the time. So I was like, you know, I can't do it. I'm in a relationship, da da da da da. But then they reached out after we had broken up, well, she broke up with me, I can say.

She broke up with me like a month after. And I was like, you know what? This would be, there's something, just to get me back out there, you know? Just to get me back out there. And like, it seemed like a cool opportunity. Like I've seen, you know what, this would be something just to get me back out there, you know, just to get me back out there. And like, it seemed like a cool opportunity. Like I've seen, you know, couples come out of it and I was like, okay, this seems like the actual legitimate thing to do.

And yeah, I got a DM on Instagram. I was like, you know, let's do it. And then, you know, I just kept progressing through the things. It just kind of kept me after getting broken up with, you know, you're kind of sad. So it just kept me like something to like hope for or hold on to, I guess. And I kind of got a lot of fun because I was like, okay, let me go, you know, not date around, but you know, talk to girls of sad. So it just kept me like something to like hope for, or hold onto, I guess. And it kind of got me a lot of fun. Cause I was like, okay, let me go, you know, not date around, but you know,

talk to girls to get myself back in the flow. So yeah. Did they like follow up with you because they noticed like, oh, this guy was posting with this girl at night, now he's not posting. Or did you kind of hit them up and be like, hey, well I'm single now. No, they reached back around.

That's why I have so much respect for them. Cause they double checked. They're like, hey, are you single yet? It can basically, in a respectful way. And then also one of the producers, Ben, I work with this jewelry company, Jackson, and he gets the emails and he was like, who is this guy? So it's kind of like a two in one.

He wanted to know who I was and then they'd also already reached out to me. At that point, you were pretty dead set on like, hell yeah, like let's do this if they ask me. Yeah, for the most part. I ain't gonna lie, it's pretty scary because I'm like, damn, I want's do this if they ask me. Yeah, for the most part. I ain't gonna lie, it's pretty scary because I'm like, damn, I don't wanna go in there and embarrass myself or,

but I was just like, I am who I am. I feel like I've done a lot of work on myself. So if I go fuck up and that's who I am, I guess. So I was just like, let's do it. It seems like an amazing opportunity. Once in a lifetime, being one of five, it was just like the biggest blessing I ever could imagine. So that's where-

Are you a fan of the show? Did you watch you watch it much or were you just like kind of familiar with? You're like, what homework did you do going in? Oh, yeah, I was definitely familiar because my little sisters, actually all my sisters, I've watched the UK version and a little bit of the USA. Because when I sent them the DM, they started freaking the hell out. And I was like, what, what, what's going on? Because I've like walked by them and they've been watching it. Like I hear the accents. I'm like, what the hell is that?

So I've seen it a little bit. And then I was definitely familiar with it. I watched three episodes of season six and I was like, I think if I watch any more, I'm going to psych myself out of it. So I just watched the episodes and was like, let's go see what this is about. It's always like a balance between like, it feels like Ace did a lot of homework. Sorry, Ace. I was a little bit of a dick.

But yeah, it's a balance between knowing what you're getting into. I always tell people in reality TV, or certainly I always tell fans, right? Because a lot of fans will love to be like, well, they know what they signed up for. I'm like, when it comes to shows like this, you have no idea what this is like until you experience it.

It's just, if you know, you know, and if you don't, you can watch a million shows, and it's just not the same being in it versus being a fan of it. It doesn't matter what your contract says. It doesn't matter what a producer might say to what you can expect. Going there and being in that crazy environment,

no one knows what it's like until they set foot in that universe. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. You mentioned earlier that you've done a lot of work on yourself. And you know, obviously this is a show that it's fun, it's scandalous, it's messy, but it's a dating show, right?

And like everyone who watches this show, like why we love these shows, why we will love reality TV is because like it's like a fantasy way to like look at dating and like in-time culture, right? And I think, obviously fans, and I hope you remember this when you get your phone back, it's just like, listen, fan is short for fanatic, so whether someone's there telling you how great you are

or telling you you're a piece of shit, they don't know who you are. You know what I'm saying? They're just fans, they don't know, right? But we do as fans, because everyone who's watching is just projecting, right? They're just projecting like, you know, they're watching it because either you remind them

of someone they dated that screwed them over, that you remind them of themselves, you know? We like to watch you guys make fools of yourself or like, you know, be vulnerable because it's easier to watch you do that than like look in the mirror and shit like that, you know what I'm saying? But that all being said, like your fans,

I think a lot of people who are fans of you, here they saw that, how old are you again? 25. 25, right? So they saw this young man in his 25s, good looking guy, right? Like, you know, I'm assuming you've gotten this before. We're like, you know, you got a face car

where it's just like, he's probably a douche bag, you know? Like he's too good looking not to be, you know, you got a face car where it's just like, he's probably a douche bag, you know, like he's, he's too good looking not to be, you know what I'm saying? Like, and maybe, hell, like, you know, when I was, you know, your age and I was young, I think, you know, when you have opportunities, you have to cut your teeth and you have to like take your bruises and you have to like look in the mirror and reflect on like,

you know, I think we all make mistakes dating and things like that, right? So I'd love to hear a little bit about your dating story about like, for me, like when I was in my early 20s, I was like a serial monogamous, right? I was kind of like a love martyr. Like I had these like parents who like had a great relationship and they taught me

a lot of good things about love, but it was almost like, I almost like took it a step too far. I was fighting too hard for relationships. I was like falling in love too quickly. I know people are throwing the word like love bomber around in 2025 and like, it's not, it doesn't mean what it used to mean back in the day, but like I was falling fast, right?

I was getting caught up in my emotions, but that being said, I'd love to learn about you in terms of like, what was Jeremiah Brown like when he first started dating like late teens, early twenties? Like how did you carry yourself in relationships? And when you mentioned doing the work, what did that look like and what kind of steps in your mind did you think you made? Oh, it's young. Okay.

I would say in college, like I never dated like from like, I didn't have a girlfriend until I was 22, 23. So I just like would find a girl I liked and just talk to her for six months, talk to her for a year. I hated labels. I hated... I didn't hate, but I just didn't want labels. I wanted all that freedom that came with it, like anniversaries. I didn't want to do any of that. And then I finally got into my first relationship. And then a month in, I cheated and I didn't know how I could do that because I'm proud of myself and I

read books. I'm this guy, I'm the best. So yeah, like two years ago, a month into my relationship, I cheated and I had to look at myself in the mirror because I'm like, oh, I like trumped myself up my head to be this great guy. And I was like, okay, how come I didn't have the strength to say no to this girl? What made me not strong in that moment? So I was like, I got to figure this out because not only did I hurt someone I loved, I hurt

myself. So then I went to therapy and I'm out. Cause not only did I hurt someone I loved, I hurt myself. So then I went to therapy and I'm still in therapy for like two years now, just to see like what was going on. So that's what the work looked like, you know, two years ago I started therapy. Now when you, I mean, if you're comfortable talking about it, like when you say you cheated, like, did you like have sex with someone else?

Like, how did you, like, did you come clean? Like, yeah, how did that all, how did it all play out? So boom, it's my, one of my best friend's birthdays. And then I have had my two friends, like my genuine friends of HomeGrows that came over and it wasn't preplanned or nothing. And then we all got super, I don't want to blame on alcohol

and I don't want to talk about the alcohol part, but we all got super lit, right? Went out to the club, came back and she followed me into the bathroom and I didn't have the strength to say no. I could have said no, I didn't. And then it happened and then I walked out, I called my bathroom and I didn't have the strength to say no. I could have said no, I didn't. And then it happened and then I walked out, I called my mom because I didn't have my car because it was in LA.

I said, mom come get me. I was like, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. And it was instant, instant regret. Got home, drove and told my girlfriend immediately. Like three hours later, I told her what happened and then yeah, we broke up, got back together. And then they had to start therapy and just started working on myself. Cause I was like, how could I have done that when I thought I was this great guy? It's obviously not cool what you did,

but obviously like not everyone comes clean right away. And more than that, more people just feel like, as long as they say they're sorry, and then they talk about doing the work and they don't do the work and like credit to you for like, you know, jumping into therapy and trying to actually make, you know, jumping into therapy and, and, um, and, and, and trying to actually make, you know, take actions to like, you know, um, improve yourself.

Like you're going to make a lot more mistakes in life. You're only 25. Like all we can do is just, you know, try to get better, you know, uh, obviously we'll talk about you a hood and a little bit on, but like, obviously she's caught a lot of heat for, you know, how she's carried herself too. But like I've been Huda, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe not exactly how she's done it,

but you know what I'm saying? I've been fucked up from love and shit like that. What are you comfortable sharing in terms of what you learned about yourself through therapy in terms of just kind of understanding yourself? Nowadays, we watch these shows, a lot of people wanna like diagnose these characters, like attachment styles, things like that, or just maybe even understanding love languages,

how we connect with our partners and things like that. Like, what did you learn about yourself in terms of like how you receive love, show love, things like that? Yeah, I think in the beginning, you know, being a model, there's a lot about attention and like I've had freedom for 23, 22 years of my life being able to do whatever I want. And I hadn't had to flex that muscle of saying no, not even to make an excuse, just I didn't

have to flex that muscle of saying no, especially being messed up. So it was more of the fact like, yes, having to flex the muscle of saying no and not having been in a real relationship and learning like, okay, you have to make, not even sacrifices, but if you're in a relationship, that means you're saying no to everything else, and that's what makes this yes so much better. And so at the beginning, it was just not needing attention from other people, because I love attention. I was always in high school, even when I was ugly, I loved attention because I was a class clown.

So it was just needing attention, being ugly, needing attention, looking good. And then now the latter part of the work was just like. Getting rid of like the guilt and the shame. Cause I carried that guilt for like over a year and a half of what I did. Cause it really messed me up. Cause like, how could I do that? So, and so I carried that guilt for like a year and a half. And then that part was like, like the main thing was like not lighting myself on

fire to keep other people warm. And that's what I did. Like the latter part of the relationship was just like trying to do too much to make up for it. I did like two years ago. And so that was the last part of the work was just putting myself first and self-trust and getting rid of self-doubt and self-love and stuff like that.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's tough too, right? Cause you enter a relationship, people wanna know, have you ever cheated before? It can follow you like a scarlet letter and just like you wanna own it. But at the same time, you wanna be like, man, do I ever cheated before? It can follow you like a scarlet letter and just like you want to own it, but at the same time you want to be like, man, like, do I have to fuck, how long do I have to talk about this shit?

Here you are talking about it now. It seems like you're processing it in a healthy way. Like how long ago did your last relationship break up when the conversation about going back on Love Island started? It was February, she broke up with me February 8th. Damn, okay, I shouldn't have, maybe I should have took more time recognizing that. February 8th and they hit me up at me February 8th. Damn, okay, maybe I should have took more time recognizing that. February 8th, and they hit me up at the end of February.

Okay, all right. Yeah, okay, cool. How long was that relationship? Like a year and a half, August 2023 to February 2025. Did you give her the heads up that you're gonna go on Love Island or no? No, we had each other blocked at the time. We had like a really, like we broke up

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What the fuck is this guy doing? Like, what, like, huh? And you know, so like your critics out there, this guy falls fast, he's love bombing. I don't know. Again, like, I don't think people nowadays are using the word love bombing accurately. Like it's, you know,

it's not just because someone says I love you in the first couple of weeks because they get really excited and infatuated with somebody. But that being said, again, I was a young man who I really wanted to emulate my parents' relationship. I wanted to be in a relationship and I was very picky. But when I liked a girl, I liked a girl. And I would just, does that, I feel like that kinda relates

to maybe how you were a little bit, or am I off there? Were you falling fast the same way you kind of carry yourself in Love Island in other relationships? Or what was the reason for you kind of coming in there and being so focused on Huda? Honestly, that's not who I am at all, because I've only been in love two or three times. Not that I was in love with Huda,

or even told her I loved her, but yeah, no, like I've never been that type. Like we're not, we're my first, my only girlfriend, we started talking in January and we didn't date till August. So it's like eight months, you know? But with Huda, it was like, I'll tell you why I did the Cheat Kiss. I like, I didn't, they could steal, right?

And I was like, I really, me and Huda had this crazy electricity between us. And I was like, I kind of panicked. I'm going to keep it a whole stack. I panicked. And I was like, what can mean her to have this crazy electricity between us. And I was like, I kind of panicked. I'm gonna keep it a whole stack. I panicked and I was like, what can I do to not get stolen? Okay. I can give it, get the cheap kids. So it wasn't even that already liked her that much. I just didn't want to get her stolen to keep it a stack. I was like, you know, I want to really explore this. And then once we had four or three convos, um, I was like, holy fuck, are we going to

explore this? And then not going to lie. Like we got, this was a mistake on both our parties. We got really intimate really soon and that kind of set us up for failure like the rest of what happened, but yeah. And when you say intimate, like you guys had sex? I'm not here to kiss and tell.

I respect that, all right, gotta ask the questions. Yeah, I get it, but we got real intimate real soon and it kind of just like skips a bunch of steps and then that's what led to it. You know, okay. And is Huda like similar to women you've dated in the past, whether it's looks or personality, like what, what made you, what, what was that vibe that you, that felt so strong? Where do you think that came from? It was definitely like her gaze and the way she, like when I think my favorite part about women is the way she looks at me and her smile and like her smile and the way she looked at me was just so enticing. And then we had a lot of conversations about values in the beginning.

I'm not going to be rude, but I got emotion fished. She said she's emotionally mature and her values, so we lined up on a bunch of those. So I was like, okay, cool. She checks all my physical boxes and a lot of my spiritual, emotional, so why would I go? And that was where my head was at. Not saying it was the right thing to do, but I don't regret it. But yeah, I was like, okay, she, so why would I go? And that was where my head was at. Not saying it was the right thing to do, but I don't regret it.

But yeah, I was like, okay, she's so fucking dope. I'm not gonna room that and go talk to girls I'm not interested in. That's where my head was at in the beginning. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. You were kind of caught saying early on, oh, if we win, and then you kind of correct yourself. I mean, make it to the end.

So then obviously, honestly, I think it's kind of, I mean, most of your cast comes in So then obviously, like, you know, I honestly, I think it's kind of, I mean, half, half, most of your cast comes in with like a heavy following these days. Yeah. That being, yeah, so like, I don't know, I kind of like, I think it's almost like stupid when fans like, you know, like they came here to be famous.

It's like, they are on a TV show. That being said, like, yeah, like, do you feel like, do you feel like in any way you were kind of gaming the game or playing the game or like, or certainly any more than any of your peers? No, cause for me, as you can see in the episodes, I can't fake shit. So when I was really unhappy and I was really messed up,

I couldn't just say, let's stay together. Cause I could've, like, I'll just say like the door recoupling, I know Iris isn't really my type and I know she isn't really my type, but I still chose her and that was like a roll the dice. Cause I could've just chose Hood and made that relationship work, but I can't fake shit. So no, I wasn't really gaming the system.

I didn't even look at it like that. Cause I feel like if I was, I would have some plan Bs and some plan Cs, but I just kind of dove into one girl. So I personally don't see it like that, but I can get it like, oh, he's just so focused. He must just be here to win. But as you can see, when I was unhappy, I, you know what I'm saying? I hear you.

So in terms of like you and Hood, obviously like, I mean, you know what I'm saying? I hear ya. So in terms of like you and Huda, obviously like, I mean, you guys were, I don't know if you know this, but like people were tuning in to watch you too. Like love you or hate you guys, like whatever they thought about your relationship, you guys were must see television. Oh shit.

Because it was honestly like so toxic so fast. From your perspective, like how much of the show, have you seen it all? Are you not seeing any of it? I've seen a couple episodes. I watched almost all of the one I left on. And then I skimmed through most of them. So I've seen some of them.

So I guess, I mean, obviously when it comes to shows like this, even though there's an episode almost every night, there's a lot we don't get to see. So one, like from your perspective, when did things start getting a little rocky? And then two, we'd love any context of like important information that, you know, what didn't we get to see when, you know, when it comes to your and Huda's relationship

in terms of like why things kind of took a turn the way they did. That's a great question. Honestly, things were amazing up until the day, I call it the pancake day. We won't get into it right now, but the pancake day. And things were amazing until the pancake day. So we had like a week, I think,

maybe eight days of just like, it was fire. Like, yeah, there was some minor things, but like we had so much genuine, like just such a crazy general connection off the rip. And where things started going south was like, I told her who I was in a relationship, and then she kind of took that as who I need to be now. And I didn't nip that in the bud, so I take responsibility. I didn't sit her down and be like, yo, that's not who I am.

Instead, I said, you know what? You're right. Let me be Superman already. Because it takes me a long time to get to like, you know, super boyfriend. And that's, I was like, oh, in a relationship I do this. And she took that and was like, okay, that's who you are now. And I'm like-

Well can you, so can you clarify what do you mean by that in terms of like what you actually said to her in terms of like, so- Oh. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so I was just like, you know, I do the little things, I do the flower. I just told her how I was in my last relationship,

like, you know, the flowers, the restaurant, like anything like what a boyfriend does, like the cute things I said I do the flower. I just told her how I was in my last relationship. You know, the flowers, the restaurant, like anything like what a boyfriend does, like the cute things I do all that. And then she was like, okay, bet. And then like the day after she's like, why are you doing any of that? And I was like, wait, wait, that's why I'm in a relationship. But I didn't say that I said, oh, you're right. Let me go try to do that. So I think I tried to be Superman instead of let her know like, that's not who I am. That takes me months to get there. You know, like, that's not who I am. That takes me months to get there, you know? Like, that's not who I am in like three days into the villa. And that's where the expectations just didn't get set right.

And then the intimacy got way too much. And I didn't say like, yo, I'm not comfortable with this. I just tried to be Superman. And that's what really got toxic. So obviously Love Island has this unique, its own lingo. It's obviously has its own set of rules, right? This whole like, are you closed off or you're not closed off? You're in a couple, but you're not closed off.

People are like hooking up, but you're not closed off. Like you're, then all of a sudden you're making out with your friends during the challenges and things like that. Two part question, like, what conversations did the entire group, if any, have about like, how this shit all works, you know, in terms of like expectations or like,

what were expectations of the group. But more specifically, you and Huda. How did you guys navigate? Because Huda, it seemed like Huda was just like, this is my man, we're in a relationship, we're a boyfriend and girlfriend, we're absolutely gonna get married, we are in love. And listen, I don't know, if you feel it, you feel it.

Again, in the real world, I've, fuck, I mean, I've gotten in a relationship two days in and stupidly talked about like, planned our future. Like I've been that, I've been that fucking guy, right? I'm not gonna fucking fault you, you know? But like, this is all in a world where you're making out in challenges and shit like that. Did you and Huda ever like talk about about expectations of how you guys were going to navigate, especially

once you guys were so hot and heavy right away? Yeah. I mean, well, within the group first, they've for two weeks told me, do this, do that, do this, do that. And I'm kind of my own person. I love to just do it. I can't fake nothing, so I can't go pull a random girl for a chat because they tell me to.

I was like, all right, for sure. So for two weeks, I was battling the guys. No, I'm good. I want to explore this. I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. And then at the same time, me and her are getting into it, but our expectations were just like... The baseball challenge was the first challenge I think that really...

She didn't like how I had to kiss a girl or I got to kiss a Maya, but at the same time I would do little things to try to make it not that bad, like, you know what I'm saying? So there was a lot of pressure, like, okay, let me do the challenge this way so I don't get yelled at later. Let me do the challenge this way so I don't get in trouble. And then we got to a point where it's just,

like before the lumberjack challenge, we're like, you know, we're just gonna enjoy the challenges fully and whatever happens, happens. Like we're gonna, you know, we're still like, you know, not locked in, but we're still really close, but we have that freedom now to enjoy the challenges. Okay. And did you, like, how did you guys come to that decision to change up? It was kind of just like, you know, we're here to play.

Like I forgot what happened. Oh, she got really mad at the me kissing Amaya at the goddamn baseball challenge. And I was just like, yeah, I'm not going to go through this the rest of the show. The challenges are for the challenges. I want to participate. I got to be myself. I can't just go into a challenge, just hide and do the cheek kissing the rest of the show. I got to go be myself and show people who I am. I'm a fun guy. So it was just like that. It was like, we both got to participate and be here to be here. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I remember that first challenge

and I forgot who jumped up and I'm like, he's not even, I'm like, how? These people can operate this way. It's like, it's more violent. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. Holy cow. So I guess just, yeah, just you and Huda,

I think there's a lot of, if you're a Huda stan, right? Like, obviously she's caught a lot of heat, right? And there's a lot of people just like not understanding the way Huda is moving and things like that. And I'm sure people are anxious to like hear her perspective on things. But there's always like the Huda stan, like they're of the perspective,

like she's gonna come out of the villa or you're gonna come out of the villa and it's gonna be like a bad edit situation, right? Like, oh, we didn't get to see certain things, like, you know, stuff like that. Do you feel like overall, while they can't show everything from what you've been able to see or from what you've heard or understand how things were shown?

Do you feel like ultimately the show captured the dynamic of your guys' relationship? Respectfully from what I've seen, yes. I still have a lot, I still care for her very deeply, but there was a lot of instances where we were just talking and she would crash out. I have nothing but respect for her still, but it's just like, yeah, it was pretty accurate. Cause there's some moments where I'm watching myself and I'm just like, bro, get up, like don't take that. But when you're on like no sleep,

it's hard to like know if you're in the right or the wrong. So I feel like that's why it took so long in my conversations to see like, okay, am I in the right here? Am I in the wrong here? So that's why like you'll see me take a day or two to have extra conversations with her

just to make sure I was, I like to see things through to the end, so I wasn't just gonna give up on the first fight. But it was pretty accurate. It was a pressure. Watching you, again, I'm a fan, obviously, so maybe I'm biased, but I saw someone who,

it makes sense that you're in therapy. You seem like you're an introspective person, right? At times you reminded me of me when you seem to do your own thing and walk your own path. And again, I've always dated women with big personalities. There's a spectrum of big personalities, but I want to be understanding, right? And as a man in 2025, we get a lot of notes, right? Ways where that men haven't behaved well in the past, things like that, how we need to step up

and how we should maybe listen more than speak and things like that. So honestly, I saw someone like you who was just like, people like, your critics would say you're not necessarily good at communicating your feelings. I saw a person who was this like, kind of not sure how to move from one moment to the next

because it felt like you were getting a ton of notes, but like, if you were trying to understand your critics, what ways do you think you could maybe have better communicated with Huda, if any way at all? I totally see where they're coming from. And like the part that the main part is that when I felt have better communicated with Huda, if any way at all. I totally see where they're coming from. And like, the part that, the main part is that when I felt things were moving too fast

and the expectations were too high, instead of communicating that that was too much for me, I did the opposite and said, you know what, I like you so much, I'll try to be that person I'm not ready to be yet. So that makes sense. Like I dead ass didn't communicate my feelings. So they're right in that regard.

At the same time, it is hard, because when you're on no sleep, it At the same time, it is hard because when you're on no sleep, it's like, okay, I don't want to look like an asshole. I don't want to do the wrong thing. So it's like, you do try to be more patient with everybody else and put other people first because you don't... It's hard to have a clear mind. Like, okay, am I tripping? Is she tripping? So that's why I feel like I was extra patient and kind of like not went above and beyond, but I was like, let me really hear her out for hours and hours to make sure, you know, like seeing who she is as a person.

So yeah, but no, I definitely didn't communicate. This is way too fast for me. Let's slow down because I liked her so much. I can own that. Like I did, that was my main mistake was not like telling her like, let's slow down. Nah, I appreciate that answer. Huda revealing that she's a mom was obviously a main storyline and a big moment,

not only for the show, but for you guys. I guess first, do you wish she would have told you sooner? Or are you comfortable with the time and how she opened up about her being a mom? Honestly, it's hard to say, because I have no idea what that is like in her shoes. And I don't remember how soon she told me, but honestly, I wasn't mad at her for not telling me yet because I feel like I get it. You don't want to come in here and say it's two sides. You

don't want to come in here and say you have a mom because everyone's going to think of you as that. At the same time, you want a chance to be yourself and not, but at the same time, you do have a kid. So I see both sides of the coin, but I wasn't mad. I was just really caught off guard. I wasn't mad that she hit it for a couple of days, but I did get to know her and at that point we were good. So it was kind of just like, oh shit, okay. Like it wasn't like, no.

Normally my wife is in these interviews, she's traveling right now. She had a lot, we're new parents. Oh, congrats. Thank you. And as a guy, I was like, listen, Huda can like reveal that however she wants, you know, but as a mom, you know, my wife, you know, Natalie, she, you know, I wish she was here to articulate this,

but like from her perspective, she just felt like it sounded kind of odd that when Huda talked about having a daughter, it was always in the lens of, she always like centered herself. She was like, I'm a mom, I'm a mom, I'm a mom. As if it was like, in a way, when you're saying, when she opened up to you, it was almost like,

hey, I'm a mom, I don't want you to think of me any differently or certainly like not be, you know, any less attracted to me. Understanding like, hey, as a mom, there's certain different responsibilities. It's not the same as dating a 20-some year old without a kid. But it almost seemed like she,

the way she communicated it is if she expected preferential treatment in a way, as opposed to like, when Nellie says, talks about our daughter, it's like, I have a daughter. It's always like, my daughter, when Nellie says, she like talks about our daughter, it's like, I have a daughter. It's always like my daughter, like, you know, my daughter does this, my, it's, and then Huda was like, I'm a mom, I'm a mom, mom, mom. It's like, did you see it that way?

Or like after hearing, you know, again, like, I got no notes, this is, I'm communicating, you know, from my wife, but like, does that make sense? And were there other people in the villa that maybe like didn't quite understanding how Huda was, you know, handling communicating being a mom. Yeah, I totally see what you mean now because I like I watched the episode the other day

and it was like, she's just like me. She likes what I like. She's da da da da. And it was like so not to bash on her, but like it was a lot of self centeredness, not too much to know, which makes a lot of sense. Because my sisters had a baby and it's all about the baby. She's a mom, but then it's all about the baby. So yeah, now that you say that, it was definitely like a lot of, I'm a mom, the daughter's just

like me, I do this for her, I do that for her, I do this. So I was like, yeah, I kind of noticed that in conversation with her, which is why I kind of like started to move because she didn't really ask me questions about myself. That's a different topic, but yeah, I see what you're saying now. That definitely is true. You've got some criticism from people who wanted you to like ask more questions about her child.

Did you ask more questions and we just didn't get to see it? Or do you feel like maybe you could have handled it a little bit better now that you reflect on how that situation went down? Honestly, most of the time we did talk about her, but I remember we talked a lot about her daughter at the date and then we talked a lot about her daughter on the pink couch conversation.

We had a pink couch conversation for like an hour before Ariana got there. And we talked about her daughter for like 30, 45 minutes, like right after. And then after that, she went south. So we didn't get to talk about it, but yeah, we had at least two or three conversations talking about her daughter. I thought it was like, kind of, I mean, again, it's her story, so I get that she had certain ways of wanting to handle it, but like, the way it was like,

okay, I'm gonna tell Jeremiah, and then I'm gonna tell the women, and then I'm not gonna tell the guys, but then, oh, you can tell Nick. It's just like, that seemed hard to keep up with. Did you ever ask her why she decided to go about it this way because it just seemed almost like I didn't understand it. Like I get, yeah, like I didn't understand why she was

so selective and secretive about just like, I mean, hey, you're a mom. Like I get it, like I get the reservations, like I understand that like, I'm sure, you know, there's a lot of, I mean, hey, you're a mom. I get it, I get the reservations. I understand that there's a lot of, listen, a kid, a single mom, a kid, not a lot of people are up for that responsibility and challenge and I'm sure that can feel like a lot of pressure. I totally understand that, but at some point,

just own that you have this beautiful child and just be a great part of who you are. But what was that like for you? It was interesting at first, because at first I'm just like, I have no idea what that's like. So I kind of just removed my judgment and was like, okay, let's see how this goes.

So then she told the girls, and then I found out, and then I had to wait a couple of days to talk to Nick about it. So yeah, it was interesting, but I guess I see the fact that she just didn't want to be known as the mom at first and wanted everyone to see her for her, so I totally get that side of things. But I was curious for me navigating that,

because I couldn't say stuff to certain people about it, but I mean, that comes with it. Okay. When America voted and recoupled you with Iris, what was that moment like? Because at that point, were you guys, there was cracks in your relationship from your perspective at that point? Yeah, definitely none that I, were you guys, there was cracks in your relationship from your perspective at that point?

Yeah, definitely none that I've really got of, it was the same thing, I didn't vocalize, these expectations are way too high for me, we're not dating, I was basically in a relationship when we weren't dating, and I didn't say anything about that, because I liked her, and I was like, okay, let's just keep going. And yeah, so once America did that,

at first I was pissed because I felt me and the hood, I just had a really long talk at the fire pit about just how we're going to move forward. And then we got a recoupled. And then I was like, as you can see, I'm just like, what the... I was so caught off guard because I was like, okay, once Jalen and Pepe went for the recoupling, okay, oh, I'm good. And then once America did that, I'm like, okay, there's definitely... They're seeing the shit I'm feeling, but I'm not vocalizing. But I don't want to be like,

I don't want my ego to take over and be like, how does this a problem? Yeah, America's like got my back. So I had to like slowly try to pull out what America saw and make sure I wasn't just being like da da da da da da. So yeah, once I seen that and I had the emotions I felt when it was Charlie or Hooda leaving, I was like, okay, yeah, like there's something

I miss here that I need to communicate more for sure. That night, you know, something I definitely have to give you shit for, and I didn't understand why you couldn't do that, but like, Yeah. It seemed like a weak moment for you. Yeah, 100%. To not pull Huda and like check in with her,

and you were just like, I just wanna go to my pillow or my bed or whatever. Yeah, what do you, what do you got to say about that? No, that was by far a weak moment. And I was very, I guess, disappointed with how responded things, but I just know being there, I kind of, I just shut down and I don't really have an excuse whether it's to sleep or whatever I was going through, but I just shut down. I told her that and I apologize like two hours about it, but yeah, no, I definitely just shut down. It was definitely one of my weaker moments. I wish I could have been there for her, but I wasn't. And

I just have to own that. Like I shut down and I wasn't. No, I get it. Again, I'm not trying to make excuses for you, but I just, I think one thing that people don't see on that show is the emotional and mental fatigue that all of you are dealing with 24 seven. You got no support system. Like, yeah, you get avocado toast, but I'm sure it's, so you just do not have the comforts of home. But anyways, you said, you apologized for two hours. Is that what you said?

Or did I understand you correctly? Yeah, we had a conversation the next day, I think in the speakeas, it's like two to three hours about like, just like, word. Just like, I apologize. She basically it was like for the first two hours, actually for all of it, it was like two or three hours, honestly, like maybe even four, but it was just like me apologizing for not

showing up, how can we move forward? And then her just saying she's hurt the whole time. Like there was no, cause I'm a conflict. One I'm gonna apologize, validate your feelings, and then I want a conflict to resolute or at least start working towards that. But really the conversation in the speake speaking is just about just how she felt. Yeah, to that point, I hear what you're saying. It was, I mean, one of my frustrations with Huda,

like I'm always trying to watch this like with this empathetic lens and like, you know, just, I don't know, like, again, I was on the batch for long ago. So like I have empathy for all you guys. And I, you know, I know what it's like to, you know, watch something back and be like, you guys and I know what it's like to watch something back and be like, you don't understand, you know?

And shit like that, but watching Huda, it was just like, to your point, it's tough in a relationship where the person you're in conflict with, every response is about their feelings. Because we're all entitled to our feelings, I get it, but I don't feel the same as you. So how can we better understand? And it was always just about her feelings.

I guess what I'm asking is everything we saw in terms of her doing that, that felt very, that's how you felt in the villa. That wasn't editing or anything. Them taking two times, Huda talking about her feelings. Like, was that a theme with Huda where she would constantly center her feelings when you guys were dealing with conflict?

Yeah, respectfully. Yeah, it's hard because I wouldn't like bad mouth her, but respectfully, yes, it is a lot of, I can say this because even the girls and Hannah and they all said this when they talked to her, it was like, yeah, respectfully, it's a lot of I, I, I. In any conversation, it's a lot of I, I, I. So yeah.

And listen, I get it. I'm asking the questions. I know you want to be a gentleman here, but like, I think again, like that's why we watch these shows. We appreciate, you know, like you're clearly not coming in here to like talk shit, you know, and things like that. And I do appreciate you being upfront and trying to walk delicately with these answers.

That being said, if Huda were here, right? What do you think her response would be? And I guess what is your optimism that Huda's gonna come out of this and be like, oh shit, I kinda see what other people are seeing now or I see what Jeremiah is seeing. Do you think she has that self-awareness

and that ability to grow, or do you think it's gonna be a challenge for her when she gets out? I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt and say yes. I think maybe when she watches it back, she'll realize almost everything she said was rude and I, or I maybe did this, or I might have been toxic, or I might have done this.

So yeah, I think she'll come out of here and see some things. I know that I'm seeing some things about myself too. So yeah, I think it's fair to say that she, I hope she can come out of here and see some things where it's like, oh shit, okay, maybe that was kind of. Initially when America matched you with Iris, it was like her narrative, at least what we saw was her being like, yeah, you must be doing shit

behind my back Jeremiah, because America is trying to protect me. Now granted, like in fairness to Huda, like Alandria, I know, I think, like kind of like planted that seed. Obviously the girls were just like having her back and like, but she really took that bait, so to speak. And then again, is that how it felt in the villa? Like how much of that four hour or two hour fight

conversation was her trying to like, you know, trying to figure out what you were doing wrong? No, yeah, she said that. She was like, you're not doing the things you're supposed to be doing and America saw that and that's why they took you and this, that and the third. And like, she was like, when I make, how can I say this actually?

I'm not, I'm trying to be an asshole, but she was like, when I say cute comments, you make faces and people see that. But the cute comments are jokes about kids or marriage. So she'll say a joke about kids or marriage, and I'll be like, what? Like da, da, da, da. And she'll take that as me not liking her

as much as she likes me. So I'm like, I already lost at that point. But yeah, it was just things like that. Yeah, okay, yeah. She's talking about your wedding and you're just not responding the way you want it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. She's like, she's talking about your wedding and you're just not, you're not responding the way you want it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So before we move on from Huda, like I guess like, what are your final thoughts on that relationships? Like any regrets? I know like you have no regrets, but like just being a little bit more reflective. Yeah. How would you want people to like just feel

about that relationship or just make, you know, whatever thing clear, you know, whatever thing clear, you know, for people who have a lot of opinions about your guys' relationship. Okay, I would say one, it was very real and very genuine off the bat. It got a little toxic due to me not nipping in the bud, the crazy expectations that she had set for me early.

And then the communication at the end was just not being perceived well. When I was trying to deescalate and she would kind of crash out. But at the end of the day, yeah, I just know that moving forward, like what I learned from it is not being intimate too soon. And then when I feel something about this is moving way too fast, instead of just like dealing with it or trying to be Superman, because I like the girl to be like, Whoa, like I'm not comfortable with this. But then the day was very real. And like, we still have a lot of, you know, a love for each other. But yeah, just our communication styles.

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and she said that she truly thought that she was going to end up with you. Do you feel like if you had not got dumped that she was going to still try to pursue you and end up with you? It's hard to say. Honestly, it wouldn't have mattered for me because the stuff she'd been saying about me, that's the thing that really like took me out of it was that night that we got re-encoupled that she was calling me a bitch and a liar and if I made her food she'd shove it in my face.

I just don't do that. That's not how I treat people. I don't do that to people. Once I heard that, it was like no matter what she said, it was kind of over with even though I tried a couple more times just to see what was going on. But I don't think she would have honestly, actually I'm capped because she did until, I don't know how much y'all saw, but literally every day up until I left, she would try to, you know, talk to me or kiss me or do something like that. So honestly, maybe, but I don't

know what bombshells they would have brought in for her, but I don't, I don't know, honestly, probably maybe. Okay. Oh, and I keep saying I'm gonna move on from Huda, but that night that you match up with Iris, Huda got out of her bed and sat in the hallway. And the next morning you were like, Hey, I'm sorry, I couldn't go to you. What did you mean by that when you apologized to her that you couldn't go there? I'm glad you didn't because it felt like she was like, you know, playing a running game and just like wanted you to go out there and chase her. But like, what did you mean that you couldn't go out there? Like once we're in our beds, we're supposed to stay in our beds.

I think I can say that once we're in our beds for the night, you stay in your beds for the night and you don't go to other people's beds or, you know, essentially. Understood. That makes sense. That being said, which do you think she was hoping that you would not abide by those rules? Yeah, there was a lot of times we almost got in trouble for like some rule breaking stuff, but yeah,

it's hard to say, cause I'm like, I want to be there for her, but then that was the same night I heard all those crazy things she said about me. So I was just like, I, that's where I kind of draw the line. Like I already been so patient in my opinion for some things. So, but when you're calling me out my name to your friends, like screaming, I'm a bitch to your friends. I'm just like, I can't do that.

I can't, I can't. One last final Huda question. America got to see Huda talk a lot of shit about like some of the women, like Amaya and then Iris when she came in. Were you guys aware of like how she was like talking shit about like the bombshells when they came in? Is it like a threat to you?

Yeah, no, day one of Amaya, she definitely told me how much she did not like her because she made a comment about me or something. Cause it's like half scary, half cute. I'm like, oh, you really care about me, but oh shit. Okay, that's kind of crazy that you're doing all that. But yeah, she definitely let it be known day one and two that Amaya was there, she's not like Amaya.

And then not too much about Iris, honestly. I can't remember if she said too much to me about Iris, but I just know like my first conversation with Iris, I kind of shut it down. Like I was like, oh, me and it are really good, da da da da. But I don't remember her talking too much shit about Iris to me, but I could be wrong, I don't remember it.

Oh, and then like the SNL date where she was like, all right, lock it up. When you were making out with a bombshell, like, did you see that as like her like fucking around? Or like, did that feel like she was being hypocritical? Yeah, no, that day. See, these are the cracks where like, I didn't fully recognize because I'm so worried about some other shit. But like just things like that, where it's like not even a double standard, but just

like scary shit like her, like I just watched episode, like her like doing that crazy shit. It's like, that would have been cute if we were dating or like months into relationship or like closed off, you know what I'm saying? But like her like going crazy with the two guys and then me like, me and Iris is barely kissing and she's like, all right. She said like, all right, bitch, hurry it up or something like that. To me, I'm just watching it back and I'm's like, all right. She said like, all right, bitch, hurry it up or something. Like that, to me, I'm just watching it back and I'm just like, okay, yeah, this is not healthy. This is not healthy at all. Yeah. All right, let's move on.

Let's talk about the boys for a second. America has a lot of opinions. Before we get into the boys, I wanna play you something that I thought was like, it's gone viral. This is essentially how America feels about the men who voted you off. I want you to watch this clip and then we'll go, I want to get hear your thoughts.

Okay. Hit it, Lea. Snitches and rats are not the same thing. Let me break it down and make sure y'all see what I mean. A snitch is someone minding other folks' business. To find information they can sell for a price or trade for some other form of compensation. the for cash, he betrays the trust of his team. Oh my God. Open to save his own cowardly ass. The difference is at least a snitch is human,

but a rat is a fucking rat. God, are those the real numbers? Yeah, man. That's, uh, it's, uh, it's all, yeah, I don't know. It's got like millions of views. Oh my God, I hate 800,000 likes. But you and Nick were boys. When he left, he called you his best friend.

He was the one guy that Huda Green light you, telling Huda was a mom. Basically, to break it down for you, America feels like Ace was the ringleader of like the ringleader of like that cliquey group of Nick and Taylor. Nick certainly like had his moments, but like, you know, clearly again, you're a great looking guy.

You clearly like, you seem to be independent. Like you're not a follower. It seemed like you made friends with the guys, but like you weren't like trying to be a clique. And it really felt like we were watching a click of men. And listen, you hooked up with Huda, whatever. Maybe you didn't make the right moves, but whatever. And then Andrina comes in, the bombshell,

obviously a gorgeous woman. A lot of guys were attracted to her. She liked you, and it honestly felt like when they got a chance to get the best competition off the island, because it's like you got first dibs and they were like getting leftovers. They took that chance friend or not, and they voted your ass out. Like, do you see it any differently than America? No, not at all.

And it was when I, when that happened, I got voted off. I wanted to just like, you know, say my piece, but I was just like, I just wasn't the time to do that. And I'm not one to just talk shit about so and so. It was just like, yeah, it was honestly just more like, not heartbreaking, but just like betrayal. Like y'all told me for two weeks to go and hoop, I start hooping. You know what I'm saying?

I really take, I do the right things with Andreina. I'm like, we're doing friendship, best friends first. You know, I'm doing, our values are finally lining up and then they still kick me off. I was like, yeah, they're just not, them's not my peoples is all I can say. Them's not my peoples for real. So like, I guess with Nick, right?

Like, how quickly did you realize he wasn't the best friend that you thought he was early on? Like how obvious was it to you that this was a very clicky group of men? Oh shit. Probably the first week, honestly. But the thing is, at the same time, we had so many good moments. They were so funny. So there'd be times where I'm like, the click would disband for a little bit and then some shit would go down. It would get right back to it. And I'm like, fuck, I thought we were over this. And me and Nick had so many good chats about our friendship and

stuff outside of this. But at the end of the day, it was kind of just like Nick and Ace or sorry, Nick and Taylor just really, you know, respectfully followed whatever Ace said. And yeah, that's the thing about, sorry, not off topic, but like Taylor, like Taylor never actually said anything to me about a lot of nothing. But then watching it back, he's had a lot to say, but to about me, but not to me. So that would also caught me off guard, because I didn't think he was like that. But yeah, long story short, I think I just wanted Nick to be,

it was more one-sided than I thought. I was like, that's my guy, but then his actions were showing otherwise, and I kind of was just like, at the end of the day, I was like, okay, bro. How did you feel about Nick the next day after you left the island, said something like, well, there's a lot of opportunity now available.

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it was some reference to that. How does that make you feel? I mean, I knew what it was. He pulled me aside, tried to talk to me, and I was just being respectful. Because I knew if I snapped, I wouldn't have snapped, but if I knew if I lost my cool,

then I would have been boom, boom, boom. I mean, at the end of the day, I'm not gonna lie, the first two days I was gone, I was pretty pissed, because I thought those were my guys. But then the smart thing to do was vote me off because they seen I was hooping. The bombshell came in, Andreina,

she's dropped dead gorgeous and hilarious, and we had a strong connection already. So they seen that and decided to kick me out. So at the end of the day, it is a game show or a show. So they made the strategic move, but it still felt like betrayal. Do you think it was like Nick and Ace that voted you off? Or do you think Ace was really like the ringleader

and really driving that conversation? Oh man, it's so hard to say because Ace has always been like the ringleader driving the conversation. They kind of just like, yeah, he's right. So honestly, I don't know. It was probably all three of them. I just know. I knew there was a chance I was gonna leave, but I didn't think it would be me above Austin or Pepe. I thought of Bush league that Taylor delivered the news. I thought at least ace would be man enough. Yeah, exactly that. They can even look. And another thing that pissed me off was that when Jalen and Charlie left, like they all came in the room and explained to them why they voted. But for me, all I got was it wasn't personal and I love you.

Like I didn't get a single like man-to-man word of why they voted it. There's some fan theories out there that because early on that actually Ace had had the hots for Huda. He did. And in the spirit of like the opposite of love is not hate. Even though he seemed to be very opinionated about Huda, I guess there's some like Instagram likes he's been liking her page. I don't know if that's people running his account or from, you know, in the past. I don't know.

But like, what do you have to say about the fans who think that like Ace kind of secretly has a thing for Huda? I mean, he did kiss her during the blindfold challenge. So I can see that. And yeah, he just likes mess, which I get. But honestly, there could be truth to it, honestly, cause he did kiss her for the blindfold thing. And I honestly think ever since I curved Yalissa with the cheek kiss and he got stole that he ain't like me

because he got stolen from Shelly and he liked Shelly. So maybe that's where it started. Yeah, I mean, clearly like he, you know, if you're not going to follow Ace, he's not comfortable with you doing your own thing. And like, yeah, it was just clear that you did, you did not need their, his approval, the way that Taylor and Nick seemed to need it.

And that clearly rubbed him the wrong way. Do you think he will see that and reflect and own up to that when he gets out of the villa or do you think he'll make some kind of excuse? Honestly, I think he'll just say that I wasn't playing the game right or I wasn't doing Love Island right and that's why he made the decisions he made. I think that's probably what he'll say. Well, America knows it was his insecurity. So there's a lot of memes of Ace's feet not touching the ground floating around right now because they're mad that he sent you home.

So if that makes you feel, I mean, I don't, you don't seem like a petty guy. We can be petty for you. Yeah, good. Yeah. America is really, they're being like called like the mean girls, you know, Regina George, shit like that. No, I get it. I definitely get the mean girls reference.

That's definitely what it felt like at the end for sure. Well, Ace, I really appreciate your time, man. Is there anything, like I didn't get to ask you, I know you gotta go, but like, is there any, like final thoughts, oh, I called you Ace, fuck man. I got Ace on my hat. Fuck. Jeremiah, I can't thank you enough for your time, man.

Sorry, I just like, I got Ace's like little feet just like in my lawn dangling. I've seen too many means of that guy. Oh, great. Final thoughts, man. What can you leave us with? What if I didn't get to ask anything that you wanna make sure you get the word out,

like now's the time. Yeah, well, I wanna say first and foremost, thank you so much for having me. This is like my first doing anything like this. And so I thank you for just even nothing but welcoming and generally feel like a conversation with the bros. So I wanna thank you for that. To, to the love Island team, crew cast, like everybody was just phenomenal to work with. Like it was truly one of the most like, just like night life changing,

but just like once in a lifetime opportunities ever. So I just want to thank them for everything. And, um, I wish nobody in the Villa is still the best, even though you did me dirty, I wish you the best. And, um, yeah, I'm excited to see what's next. All right, man. Well, I wish you the best. And yeah, I'm gonna try to see what's next. All right, man. Well, I wish you nothing but the best. You seem like a really stand up guy who's like willing to look in the mirror and always make changes.

I really appreciate your time. Do you think, one like final question, do you think there's any couple right now that is currently existing that you has a chance of ending up together and winning Long Island. Oh man. Honestly, I think that it was gonna be Peppa and Anna, but I guess right now, I think Taylor and Alandria

have a good shot at the end of the day. I think they have a good shot. Okay. All right, Jeremiah, I appreciate you. Oh, plug your socials so people can follow you for not following you already. Oh, I get to do this now? This follow you for not following you already. Like. Oh, I get to do this now?

This is crazy. I'm plugging myself. My Instagram and TikTok are at find Jeremiah. All right. Well follow Jeremiah. Thanks again, man. I appreciate you and wishing you nothing but the best brother. Likewise, likewise.

Thank you, Nick. you