The Viall Files - E962 - Next Gen NYC w/ Gia Giudice, Love Island USA, Cierra’s Exit, Mormon Wives Reunion & Bach In Paradise

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Sunday night’s Love Island was one for the books. Cierra was dumped, the rise of Nicolandria, Amaya Papaya beginning her reign as It Girl of the villa, and that’s just one episode! We recap all that AND more from the past week. Also, Nick spills some behind the scenes tea on the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives reunion. Meanwhile, we’re joined by the ICONIC Gia Giudice to give her takes on Next Gen NYC, what it’s like to be a viral sensation, the recent interview her mom dipped out of, and more! Plus, we talk about 4th of July vacations! You will not want to miss it.  “That’s such a lie, guys… ok” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Helix Sleep - For their Fourth of July Sale: Best of Web Offer, go to https://www.helixsleep.com/viall for 27% Off Sitewide. ShipStation - Upgrade to a smoother shipping experience. Go to https://shipstation.com/viallfiles to sign up for your free trial. Addyi - It’s not about fixing you – it’s about helping you feel like you. So go to https://www.Addyi.com to learn more. Sundays For Dogs  - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://sundaysfordogs.com/viall or use code Viall at checkout. Function Health - In the spirit of Long Live and taking control of your health, get a $100 credit towards your annual membership at: https://functionhealth.com/viall This $100 credit is only for the first thousand listeners. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (07:59) - Mormon Wives Reunion (20:28) - Gia Interview (42:22) - Bachelor in Paradise (56:48) - Love Island (01:25:40) -  Outro Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @_giagiudice @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell

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Hope you had a nice 4th of July weekend. We had a great time. We went to Florida. We went to Florida. We went to go visit our favorites, Tyler and Tate, Tyler Cameron, Tate Madden. We went and stayed in their gorgeous house that they have been like nonstop renovating.

Well, since we are redoing the lake, it was definitely sad not to be up at the lake for 4th of July, that like, that broke my heart. The next best thing was to hang out with our friends. We all have, I mean, that was a great thing, but. Also like Florida, I've never been to the ocean for 4th of July, I'm always like a lake boy, you know? It was in River, it was the first time River's been on a beach.

It was so cute. What did she think? Like what was her reaction to the waves? Well, we have like at the park by our house, there's like a sand pit. So she's used to sand, like she loves sand. So she loved playing in the sand. And then she walked down to the water with Nick

and thought like the waves were so fun and so cool. And then Tyler had gone to like the store to get some snacks and stuff and came back with like a bunch of beach toys and like a beach floaty and like a bunch of stuff for river. So then she got to like float in the water with Nick. And it was really cute. She loved it.

Tyler was giving uncle for sure. We got some cute, cute photos. And then we did, I did one of the famous Tyler Cameron workouts in his garage. Nice. How did that go? It went great. Like I've been really working,

like the past few weeks I've been trying to work out more. My legs currently are hurting really bad. River woke up in the middle of the night last night and Nick was like, I can't go. I can't go, you gotta go. He's like, I can't do the stairs. Like walking down the steps right now, I'm like holding onto the rail, trying not to like tum I can't go. I can't go, you gotta go. He's like, I can't do the stairs. Like walking down the steps right now, I'm like holding onto the rail,

trying not to like tumble down the steps, my quads hurt so bad. But it's a good pain. Tate took some of the classic Tyler Cameron workout videos. I don't know if everyone knows that she's the mastermind behind those videos. Yeah, she is, she's the mastermind behind all really enjoyable Tyler Cameron.

I remember, I feel like it went viral that one of him, like work, it might've been like his first one working out and everyone was like, oh my God, his dick, you can see it. Everyone was like freaking out. Like I remember it went everywhere. And then the whole time it's like his girlfriend filming. Like she's like, let me just put my hand stick out there. That is love.

That is love. Did you guys get rained out in Florida for the fourth? It rained a lot. It rained a bit. It rained a bit, yeah. But it honestly, it looked worse when we were going. It was like, oh my God, it's gonna rain the whole time we're there.

And then as Florida does, you know, it turned a corner and gave us a beautiful beach day. What part of Florida were you in, Mary? I was in Vero Beach in Sarasota, because my family lives in Vero Beach, and my sister and the rest of my family is in Sarasota. So we were going back and forth, but it was raining both times.

Did you guys watch any hot dog eating contest? No. No, but we did hear that, you know, Joey Chestnut. Joey Chestnut, you know. That's a hard watch for me. I was watching the women's, like a clip of her and the gagging, like shoving the hot dog in and then she like covered her mouth to gag it all

and then just chugs water and I'm thinking like a soggy wet hot dog in your mouth. Disgusting, so. They're like dunking the bun in the water to make it so small that they can. How did that start? What's the origins of the food eating, hot dog eating contest?

A psycho, probably. Nothing good. I just don't understand, Ty and I were talking about this. Like, you know, as two good eaters, like we can eat a lot, but what's the point? Like it's the time part, you know? I think it'sers, like we can eat a lot, but what's the point, like it's the time part, you know? I think it's fun to like see how much you can eat

of one thing, but like you're not enjoying it by like trying to do it in a limited amount of time, you know, then you're just literally gagging it down. Yeah, is it even eating at that point? You're just swallowing it. Exactly. Like if you were enjoying every delicious hot dog, because God knows I love a hot dog, you know, but

like once or twice a year, no mustard, no relish, you know, you're just put, you're just literally choking down the door and then you have them. Can we find the origin of the hot dog eating contest? Legend has it, legend has it that on July 4th, 1916, four immigrants gathered at the very first Nathan's famous hot dog stand in Coney Island and made eating contest history. As the story goes, they were competing to see

who was the most patriotic. How did they determine the winner? With a hot dog eating contest, of course. Yeah, that tracks. What screams? How do you show your love for your country more than shoving a bunch of hot dog wieners down your throat? A bunch of wieners down your throat.

How many hot dogs do you think you could? Like maybe three on a good day. I wanna know how many hot dogs people genuinely could just eat though, I'm with you, Nick. I wanna just see them like many hot dogs people genuinely could just eat though. I'm with you, Nick. I want to just see them like normally eat hot dogs. Like if I have 24 hours. I could do 10. I bet.

And it's breakfast, lunch and dinner. In a row? Yeah. If I had a good hunger, yeah. Like a normal Nathan's hot dog with a bun, no chips. I bet I could rip 10. How do you eat a hot dog? What are your ideal condiments?

Onion, dill, relish, and mustard. I just like a pickle and mustard. I like a plain mustard, ketchup, dip it in ranch with a little bit of dill relish. Ranch. Ooh, okay. Well, we have a great show lined up for you. Gia Giudice is here to talk about her time on Next Gen

and following in her mom's footsteps. Obviously, we have a lot to get into regarding Love Island. There's four episodes that we haven't covered. I mean, it just feels like so much has happened since last week. So much. We have a lot to get off our chest. It's crazy.

I mean, it's like a whole different show. I mean, you know, and then what? No movie night. We haven't even mentioned the word hideaway, you know? Like we're like one couple has like an overnight date. It's just like, it's so much to unpack. You know, a lot of people are gone, lots to get into. Bachelor in Paradise premiered last night as well.

We'll get into all of it after we talk to Gia. We'll get into all of that later this episode. Well, the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives reunion came out on July 1st on Hulu with yours truly. Me hosting. Nick hosting. Incredible talent. I just wanna say big shout out

to all the people who reached out. I know that when it comes to hosting reunions, the host is under a microscope, let's just say. There's only one Andy Cohen. And if you're not Andy Cohen, people, other reunions that have been hosted by other people have been received with much scrutiny. But I think that's what made you so good at it.

I think you've built a rapport with all of these women. You've been around them so much. We've interviewed them a ton, I mean, Whitney aside, but you've also like chatted and talked to Whitney at several events we've been to. So you've really like gotten to know these women and I felt like you, while you asked the questions that the world wants to know,

you also like when asked your opinion on certain topics, you gave your honest opinion. And like, I think, you know, with the whole like Whitney conversation, she was like, why do you keep coming at me? She asked you like, do you think I hold accountability? And you're like, I'll be honest with you. Like, no.

Yeah, I try to take the approach, you know, we're fans. Like we are upfront that we are fans of the show. And also as the host, you know, I tried to have that balance between obviously being host and being objective and, you know, making sure everything was addressed, but also like asking the questions, you know, that the fans want. I was pleasantly surprised and very much appreciative

of all the people who reached out. I mean, it was also, and like for the people who didn't watch it, like definitely need to go and watch it, but it was a heavy reunion, you know? Like a lot of the cast were very open and vulnerable and brave and talked about things that, you know, they probably never have this publicly. And you handled each of those conversations

with such grace and allowed them like such a safe environment to share their stories. And I think that's a really hard thing to do, especially one after the other. I mean, like so many of them were so brave. And so I feel like you need to pat yourself on the back for just handling those with such great. Very sweet.

Yeah, it's definitely tough transitioning from heavy to light, from heavy to light. You know, I know like we obviously went into it wanting to hear more from Jessie is specifically about her relationship with Jordan, but that was obviously clearly a big part of season three. And so obviously we don't wanna spoil anything

that's gonna come up in season three. What did you all make of the Dimi of it all with the receipts that both Jessie and Jen brought to the reunion? I mean, watching the receipts that both Jesse and Jen brought to the reunion. I mean, watching the season, it was very hard for me in general to be team Demi. In general, I wanted the whole time I really have been wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt, but as the receipts keep coming, it's really, it's hard for to hear her, like actively try to put words in people's

mouths was just like, whoa. Um, and for, but also like for Jen and Zach to just like know to hit record though too. Yeah. And for those of you who don't know Utah is I believe one of the few states, if not the only state that it's legal to record a conversation without the other person knowing. In most states, it's actually illegal to do it, but since they were in Utah when this conversation happened,

that's why they were legally allowed to record it and air it. My biggest takeaway from the Demi stuff, which I don't know if this is just me because I work here, was the vignette they used for the studio. Why? It really, it kind of distracted me, I'm gonna be honest. Cause I was like, I was like, why is it black and white? There's like a little, a little like glow over it.

And I was like, that's not what that studio looks like. They put like an effect on it. Yeah, it was like flash flashback. Oh, a barge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's kind of giving like recorded in, you know, at a different time. The past, yeah. Or things like that.

I don't know, I was just like, it's a really nice green for them to just sepia tone. I've said this before, is if you thought season two was wild and full of drama, it's my understanding, which I haven't seen yet, that season three blows it out of the water. And I'm highly anticipated. I think we're gonna learn a lot about Jordan

and Jesse's relationship. I think that's obviously more with Dakota and Taylor, what's going on there. I have a question. As Natalie mentioned earlier, it got a little heated between you and Whitney. I wanna know what's going on with you guys. Yeah, and follow up. Did you make up?

How did you feel about Whitney calling Mikayla your favorite word, a bully? I wanted Mikayla to acknowledge that she clearly cares about Whitney, because I think Mikayla very much gives the like, I don't care about her, I'm done with her. And regardless of whatever you think of the videos that Michaela makes, she clearly is emotionally invested

in that relationship, because otherwise she wouldn't make those videos. But yeah, I was a bit surprised when Whitney did not like my line of questioning. I just, like know, like again, when it comes to the past two seasons, I think the perceived lack of accountability of Whitney is something that I wanted to have a chance

to address with her. But you know, I mean, I think Whitney again is one of my favorite characters. And other than I think Taylor's probably one of the most irreplaceable people on the cast. She's one of my favorites, but you know. Different question, but something that has not left my mind since on the cast. She's one of my favorites, but you know. Different question, but something that has not left my mind since watching the reunion.

So correct me if I'm wrong, but what I'm taking away from Michaela's coffee enemas at the reunion is that Mormons are allowed to inject coffee into their butthole, but not through their mouths. Yeah, that was my same confusion as well. That whole little hole. Also they're allowed to inject the whole soda,

which is caffeinated. I feel there wasn't a good answer from the girls on that because I feel the Mormon church does not have a good stance on that either. I think they're- But it just seems like the Bible wasn't written when soda was made, but maybe it was in coffee. I did enjoy that you made a Dumb and Dumber reference

during the reunion that got left in, and I want to know if you think that the cast caught it. Are you saying there's a chance? Yeah. I think a lot of the guys did. I don't know if the women knew it was a Dumb and Dumber. Taylor Frenkie-Paul didn't look like she caught it. I was just wondering what your thoughts were.

What do you guys make of Jen Affleck and Whitney being a part of the next Dancing with the Stars cast? That's exciting. And I do think that both of them are gonna go far. Did y'all see the video of her dancing like moments after she gave birth? Cause that was nuts. Yes.

I just wanna rewind back to what I was doing moments after giving birth. I like couldn't, still couldn't feel my legs from the epidural. Also like my pelvic floor has still not recovered enough to dance like that. No, I was also like eating Jimmy John's in the bed. I was definitely not dancing,

but I also did not have to prepare for dancing with the stars. Was that not normal? Yeah, she was really moving. She was really moving. I was in pain watching her. So. Yeah, I don't wanna see that thinking

like you were not quite that agile. I coughed and I was in pain or sneezed. God forbid I sneezed. Well, she started giving birth at the salon. What would be your nightmare place? She went into labor. She started at the nail, getting her nails done. Oh.

Oh yeah, what would be your nightmare place? What would be your nightmare place to go into labor? To have your water break? Probably like in my, like in traffic, like in my car. Oh man. You know, like stuck in like bumper to bumper traffic. Car birth videos are terrifying. Terrifying.

I was really worried that I would, my water would break here on that desk. And so I put a towel down like in the last couple of weeks. Did you? Yeah. Never knew. I wonder if obviously I got induced for River. I, you know, I would love to like have the rush of,

oh my God, my water just broke feeling for like a future baby. Well, it was shocking to me because it wasn't what I expected it to be. It happened and then it just doesn't end. It's not just like, oh, my water broke. It's like, then the baby still doesn't come for hours and hours and hours and hours.

I was three months early. And yeah. And when my mom's water broke with me, she was watching. It was because she was laughing really hard at a Jay Leno monologue on The Tonight Show. And then she thought she peed her pants. I thought I peed, also. And then she was like, it was four months at that time, early.

And then she freaked out and she was in the hospital for like a month. Oh, my gosh. I was like three pounds when I was born. Anyway, yeah, they used to give me baby clothes, like baby doll clothes instead of real clothes. And then like, I would put my little clothes on my dolls when I was a kid. That's so sweet.

That's so cute. All right, well, it's time for Gia. She is again, following in her mom's footsteps. And I think, you know, one of the people carrying this show, I really am enjoying the whole like Bravo nepotism versus like the new, you know, the other kids. The trust fund babies, is that what we're calling them? I don't know.

It's the season is starting to warm up. I'm finally kind of getting into it. I know Mary, you've been into it from the get. Well, we have Gia to break it all down with us. She is up next and following Gia, we'll finally get into some Bachelor in Paradise and Love Island. All right, let's bring up Gia. Turn the chaos of order fulfillment into something that feels like magic,

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I don't know. How old were you with the, when that singing video came out? Was waking up in the morning. I think I was eight or nine. Did you ever like watermark that? I actually patented it and I did, and then I got it. I copy, I copy wrote it as well. So I did some things and then I also, I collaborated with a Jersey

boutique called Hazel boutique. And we did like waking up in the morning, march for it. So that was fun. And that was a bit of an error for sure. When, like how old were you? When you realized it was the internet sensation that it was? Well, it went viral during COVID. So it was my sophomore year of college.

So I was 19, maybe 19 turning 20. Did you like honestly forget about it? And then when it came back, you're like, Oh my God, I totally forgot about it. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, how the hell is this resurfacing right now? Cause we got nothing to do. No, it was all how we were feeling.

We were all feeling how you were at four, five years old. I guess the sound really resonated with what was going on in the time. So it was definitely, it was nuts. It just came to a point where all these A-list celebrities started using my sound, like Lil Wayne, Lil Nas, Cardi B, Nicki Minaj. I was starstruck and then I'm wondering to myself, do these people even know who I am?

They probably don't. They probably think I'm just some little kid crying and they probably just think the sound is hilarious. Well, there's so many, what's great about this is like, you know, there's other like popular memes that like, you know, what's the fire burning with the girl and there's a lot of those where like, I wonder where they are, is that even a real person?

You know, and then like, you know, here you are, you know, front and center, doing your own thing, you know, making a name for yourself and it's like a full circle moment that it's really satisfying for the internet in ways that you usually don't get to see that. No, definitely. Now I own it.

Yeah, you should, you really should. How has filming Next Gen been? It was a lot of fun. It was definitely different than being on the Real Housewives of New Jersey. It was more into our lives and honestly just not as intense. So it was super easy. It honestly felt like a breeze.

Well, we're definitely really enjoying you doing it. And I think there's a lot of hope for this show to maybe be like the next Vanderpump in terms of that kind of younger show, you know, maybe be like the next Vanderpump in terms of like, you know, that kind of younger show, younger audience, you know, seeing a lot of, it's always kind of fun to watch people in their early 20s like try to make it, chase the dream, you know? And it's even relatable for people who are maybe older,

you know, because everyone's always like chasing a dream or going for a goal. There has been obviously a lot of discourse and talk about just how this cast came together between you know the the Bravo Kids as they're referred to and the Trust Fund Babies you know this kind of like war between the two. Was that felt by the cast you know while you were filming or is that something that through the edit and fan reactions are making a bigger deal than it ultimately was while you were filming? I that something that through the edit and fan reactions are making a bigger deal than it ultimately was while you were filming? I mean, I don't think it was any secret

to how we met, especially for me. I knew Brooks and Ariana really well. We just connected and clicked. I'm genuinely very close with them. And then Riley, I knew her through the Bravo world, met her at BravoCon, but Riley and I honestly formed more of a friendship while filming Next Gen. And same with a lot of the cast members, I didn't know them. The big link between all of us was Brooks. So filming the first, you know, couple episodes, it was everyone just getting used to each other and feeling it out and getting comfortable. There were connections between the whole cast, but between certain people, we really didn't know each other that well. So as the season goes on, I feel like you're gonna see people get more comfortable with each other. Obviously, the drama heightens towards the end of the season. And it really was because we were all getting to know each other. And I don't

think that that was any secret. It really was Brooks being the main tie between everyone. And then the Bravo kids were obviously familiar with each other. And then Brooks is friends that he knew. I was saying this when we were watching the most recent episode. It's also fascinating because your mom has made cameos, Brooks's mom has made cameos, and it's fascinating because we usually get to see

Meredith and Teresa in their housewife element, and it's also part of the drama, but it's very charming to see them being, playing the role of supportive mom, right? You know, like it's such a reversal, and you get to see your mom, Teresa, and Meredith Brooks' mom in these very different lights. You know, I don't know, do you see that as well,

watching it back? Because it does come across as a lot more nurturing, rather than like when they're playing the role of housewives, they're just arguing with their castmates. And then sometimes when their kids are in there, they're like, you know, almost like in the room while people are arguing. It's been kind of really fun to see both of those women

in this more nurturing light. Well, I mean, for sure, but that's how they are on a day-to-day basis. So you guys are really seeing them on Next Gen, how they treat us and how they treat their kids and are with their kids every day. My mom is the sweetest person ever, and she is the most loving mom. But I've seen my mom obviously on Housewives and Meredith on her show. When you're around, you know, just kind of a toxic environment and with women maybe

that want to bring out the worst in you, you're not going to be shown in the most happy positive light. But on next gen, there was no reason for them to be yelling across the table or telling anyone to leave. It just completely different vibe and I'm really happy that people got to see my mom in that light as well. What was your reaction to your mom hanging up on the news anchor? Honestly I thought she handled it perfectly. I agree. She's just she's over it because people have this whole narrative that we just don't pay

our taxes. And it's it's honestly comical for me, but not really. I honestly feel bad for my mom. I just I feel so bad for her because she's been busting her ass and paying everything since she got out. And when the news anchor said that to her, she just thought it was so insulting and so unprofessional. It was such a just like, I mean, like for this random news anchor to like try to get some like click baited. It was so weird. And she was going on there to promote the appearances that she had coming up.

And overall, it was just so unprofessional. And I think a lot of people said that it was. And I just, you know, I think for her, she was just so insulted by it because people think they know still to this day and they don't. And I know quite frankly, people want her to just set the record straight, but honestly it's nobody else's business. I'd love to get your thoughts on Trust Fund Charlie, as we like to refer to him. Uh, why do you think he was so upset about $200 Bose speakers?

And then last week's episode, his fight with Georgia. The thing was this week, wasn't it? Yeah, this most recent episode, that's what I mean. Yeah, maybe. I think a lot of Bravo fans are like, oh my God, another toxic mail that Bravo's giving this platform to. What is your take on Charlie?

I know, and I have been seeing that. It's very difficult because I feel the way Charlie acts, he's new to this whole thing and I'm not giving him and I'm not sticking up for him or excusing his behavior. But I think it comes from childhood trauma. And I really do think that his actions come from the way that he was raised and he was never loved and nurtured in his household. So that's why I think he feels like it's okay to act so abrasive and act out on people.

I don't know, I don't think it's okay and I don't think it's an excuse, but at this point, he's 30 years old, he's not changing. It would have helped if, you know, maybe he really took therapy seriously or really, you know, took control of his emotions at a younger age. But at this point, I tell everybody this, he's 30. He's not changing. He is who he is. So this, do you think this is really who he is and not like maybe Charlie thinking he's supposed

to perform being kind of a new reality TV star? Oh no. When he, when we were filming, you even heard him when he was going off on Georgia, you know, saying, I'm the only reason why you're even on this show. He really, he had no filter. He'd, uh, nothing came out of his mouth where he was, you know, trying to be careful because cameras were around. He would rip his mic off. He would say like, this is not like, it just, it wasn't like that. He didn't care who was around.

So the Charlie you see on Next Gen is definitely Charlie, but you know, I do feel bad for him in some ways. I think he definitely has some issues that he just never took care of. And now I agree with you. I have a, I have a slight, a bit of empathy for him just because of the way. We've gotten to see his relationship with his father. It seems kind of embarrassing that his dad wants to be on TV and use his son to

get on camera as much as that, at least how it comes across. I've never, you know, we were talking about this, I think a couple of weeks ago, just the way he competes with Charlie is just bizarre. It's like question at that party was like, who's more attractive, me or Charlie? It's like, it's a crazy thing to ask a bunch of like, early 20 year old girls.

So you see where that kind of, you see where he gets it from. So I do, I definitely have some empathy there. You sticking up for Ariana was a great moment to see. We love that. What I mean, like the way that Ava was trying to come at her brand and like the way that she was trying to frame it as like, I just don't know your, she just kept saying like what point of view?

And you were like, you're saying she has no style. You're basically, you're just saying she has no style. I think we definitely had a couple of drinks in our system that night. But yeah, it was, there's points in time where things happen, especially like that, where you're like, okay, wow, Gia, you could have maybe backed it up just a little bit. But I was honestly happy with the way that I stuck

up for Ariana and watching it back now. Ava really was just insulting her the whole time. Nothing was making sense. And I was kind of just calling a spade a spade and I did feel bad though. And that's why I did text her after that night. And I was like, sorry. But the bulldog comment was a little much like relax. Handle your own. You ride for your friends. It's a good trait to have, yeah.

Is your mom still not following Ava? Cause I think we noticed that she unfollowed her. That's such a lie. Like guys, okay, just knowing Teresa and knowing her personality, do you really think she would be able to just, I don't know, sit there and take the time to do that? I just know my mom and she barely knows

how to film her cameos, correct. And you know, as you could see, like when she hung up on the news anchor, she had a turn. She's like, hold on, hang up the phone. She, when she's like in the moment, she's frazzled, like she, she's not tech savvy in any way. So when Ava said that I was like, like you're just, you're lying. I know my mom and she doesn't care that much

to unfollow you. It was just crazy. Who is the closest friend you've made while filming the show? Brooks and I have always been close, but I would say not a part of the Bravo Kids, Amira. Okay. Yeah, we work really like honestly

in the same line of work. So we connected a lot and she's just, she's really cool. Do you like or feel uncomfortable with the idea that you're have been referred to in Bravo world as Brooks's mouthpiece? No. You made it. I'm no, I'm not. No, because I tell Brooks this too. And I think he's seeing it from the Bravo world a little bit too. He's got to start sticking up for himself a little more because he looks like he's running away from situations. And I'm like, Brooks, you cannot be like this. Does he have fighting him that we haven't been able to see yet? That's like, that we might be able to see in the future. He's got to do it.

He has to find it. He's got to do it. Or maybe he's just a gentle soul. Like he is, you know. No, he is. He's a gentle soul. He hates confrontation. It makes him have the biggest,

like he gets so much anxiety thinking about confrontation. He really does hate it. I would love to see Brooks stand up for himself a little bit better, but I will say Bravo to Nellie's point has just a long list of toxic men and Brooks seems anything but, and he is a delight to see. And you know, just like, yeah, like, and sometimes, you know, we're watching the Valley right now

and we see all these broken relationships and broken families. It's very nice to see the Marks family show up and just be like, oh, wow, they're on reality TV and they're healthy and they all love each other. It's a good quality. And Brooks's family, they're amazing. Yeah, they're amazing.

They're so funny. They're so funny. They're so close. They're such a close knit family, but they're awesome. What can we expect for next gen coming up? Drama. Drama, we love it. Yeah, I think, you know, like I was saying before, we really got to know each other throughout the season.

So the more you got to know each other, the more time you spend with each other, you know, the more people get on your nerves and emotions are heightened. So I would say towards the end of the season, there's just a lot more drama. Do you enjoy Georgia's parties? Perfect. All right. Next question. I love how you gave it some real time. She did.

Yeah. You're going to see one of them. Great. Do you have any notes for her? Like ways that they could be improved? No, maybe, um, look at, uh, take a book from my pool party. We love to see it. Take a page from the book. I'm sorry for going back to like just the casting process.

Like, did you just like get a random call? Like, you know, obviously your family is like, has great relationships with the network, obviously. Did they have to court you and try to convince you to come on or was it just kind of, Brooks was like, hey, I'm thinking about doing this. Like what, in terms of like the Bravo kids, how did that all kind of all come together?

Yeah, so Brooks called me about it and then I filmed the sizzle. So I was like, okay, let me just film this sizzle. It's not locking me into anything yet. So then we filmed the sizzle two summers ago because we filmed the first season last summer. So then the sizzle was filmed two summers ago. That's where I kind of met some people. So I met Amira, Brooks, I knew Riley,

but Brooks, Riley, and then the people who I met were Amira, Ava, Dylan, and Charlie. And then there was some other people that ended up not being on Next Gen. Then the meetings obviously started and it kind of took me a minute just to think about what I was doing and if I wanted to do this. And then I recommended Ariana to be on next gen. Great call.

Yeah. Love her. She's amazing. So I recommended Ariana to be on Next Gen. Her interviews started going. And she locked it in, I locked it in. And I was like, all right, I'm ready because I she's like my girl. I really vibe with her Brooks. And I was just nervous because I didn't know, I wasn't that close with anybody. So besides Brooks and Ariana. So once I felt like I had two strong friends on the show, I was, I felt, you know, ready and good to do the show. Okay. Do you think, are we ever gonna get to see Gia

get an apartment in the city? Are we gonna always bridge and tunnel it? Yeah, we are. They also, they exaggerated that a little bit, but I'm literally in the city four times a week for work, whether it's filming my podcast, Amazon lives, events in New York. I'm not even trying to say this about myself, but I'm a hustler. I work really, really hard and they kind of exaggerated that whole thing that the city is such a hassle for me. Yeah. Okay.

It's, traffic's annoying. It gets a little, you know, exhausting going back and forth and commuting back and forth into the city, but I do it. I work my ass off. So. We respect everyone who hustles. We love to hustle on this side as well. And I will say that in fairness,

I know it feels like they kind of exaggerated that part, but I think it really comes across that the Bravo kids, if you want to call them that, they're all hustlers in the best possible way, as opposed to like, Charlie and them. It's just like, it's just, it gives such an ick to like act like this entitled person who likes to talk about money that they don't have. Like, you know, right now, Nellie and I are doing okay.

I don't know. I hope our daughter, who's only 15 months now, I hope we teach her humility and things like that, but I'm going gonna remind her that she's poor. She doesn't have money. It's like that clip of Ben Affleck with his son wanting those shoes, and they're like, how much are the shoes? Like, 3,000.

He's like, dad, they're 3,000. Ben Affleck's like, yeah, you don't have $3,000. I got it, but you don't. But I think it's a credit to your guys' family that clearly you guys were taught how to hustle and work hard, think it's a credit to, you know, your guys' family that clearly they're, you guys were taught how to hustle and work hard and it shows on the show and I really respect it. And I think it's very evident and it makes the Bravo gang

a lot more likeable than the other side. I'm happy to hear that, yes. But you definitely will see a change very soon. I'm enjoying my summer house right now, but then after this, I will be making my move. Are you a top bunk or a bottom bunk gal? I'm a bottom bunk gal. We're not risking falling off. Absolutely not. Climbing up a ladder, I'm okay. Oh my God. And then when the boyfriends come, it's even crazier. My cousin's boyfriend's like six foot

and he crawls off the top bunk. And it's just such a sight to see every day. It's not even fair. Gia, thanks so much for taking the time. We'll let you get back to your summer plans. Really enjoying you on Next Gen. It's nice to see you carrying the tradition of a family that already is considered iconic.

So thanks for taking the time and look forward to seeing more of you as the season unveils itself. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. All right, take care, Jaya. Bye, guys. So likable.

So likable. I love her. Yeah, her answer about George's parties The way she thought about it so hard she went No, no, I mean I feel like we saw that with like the I Mean, I guess it was a fault but like the building people, like the venue event. Getting evicted. Evicted or whatever, and then she's like, we'll figure it out, I wouldn't worry.

Georgia is one of my favorite characters on this show because I just, I never know what is going to come out of that girl's mouth, what is going to happen in any sort of case scenario. All right, well, let's get into some Bachelor in Paradise. I don't know. Here's my. The best part of the episode was the season preview and honestly made like the rest of the season seem kind of promising. But for a two hour premiere.

And while we're also watching Love Island, it's it's a hard I mean, the whole the whole episode, I don't know about you, Lea or Mary, but I was just like, give me like a Love Island challenge. You know, like I wanted. Yeah. I would take the milk and hot dogs at this point. Yeah. Yeah.

Literally, and then we got a challenge and I was just like, what? And then you really understand the premise of it. My biggest issue with the Bachelor franchise at large is why is everything paced like a three hour Martin Scorsese movie? Like it's just, Bachelor and Paradise specifically, I was like, why was this two hours?

Exactly. It could have like, let's pick it up a notch. It literally could have been 20 minutes. We started with Spencer, who was their opener for the season, who in his thing, he's like, you might not remember me. It's like, then why are you opening up the show? Like, yes. I'm like, Macha.

Yeah, I'm like Macha and a yapper. We're committed to giving it a shot, and I think I've heard from some of the producers working on it, they were really, and you might think, oh, well, they're biased. Like some of these producers, like they don't have, I've heard producers in other previous seasons be like, yeah, I don't know about this season. So some of them seem really excited about the work they put in and the product they finished with.

That being said, it's just like, and who was the guy? Who is the another guy who was like, I was on Stephen, like he was on Katie Thurston. Yeah, he's like, if you blink, you didn't see me. And then like, he's already gone. Kyle, are you there? Yeah. If you bring in someone who like, you know, goes home night one or whatever, like a,

like a grocery store Joe. No, like a Brett from Jen season. Oh yeah. Where is Brett? Where is Brett from Gen Season. Oh yeah, where is Brett? Yeah, where is Brett from Gen Season? Oh yeah, what? Maybe he has a girlfriend and I hope that's the reason why, or he turned him down, but like, you've got these random guys

and you didn't bring back Brett? Craziness. Yeah, that's a really good call. Hopefully he comes in as like a bombshell. And Brett had like, when we interviewed him, Like Brett? Craziness. Yeah, that's a really good call. Hopefully he comes in as like a bombshell. And Brett had like, when we interviewed him, he was charming, he had some swag. Do you feel like maybe I'm not one to judge,

and it is TV, but like I do feel like there's a lack of swag when it comes from the men. I mean, yeah, I think men in general are just like, no sauce. Well, I was glad that Alex called Jonathan out because she was like, you haven't been making an effort with anyone. No, it was...

Since we're deep in Love Island right now, you can tell that Jeremiah and Nick and even Ace, they know how to talk to women. You can tell that they're charming and they're comfortable around women and they have game. You can just kinda tell. And it really seems like all these men that they've casted on Bachelor in Paradise

are the really good looking guys who are single for a reason. Have the sauce. I mean, I feel like Dale is probably the most, has swag and I feel like he's the oldest. He's like lived the most life. He's the most successful. He like so that's why all the women are swarming because they've been stuck with these like nobodies from this show and finally we have like this tall handsome successful Dale Moss. It's like, oh sure. Yeah, I'll take it.

Nick, do you feel like you got more tired after you passed 35? No No Yeah, but I'm not the norm when it comes to that I also I also do like I can see the difference in the show obviously like the way it's edited Obviously we're in like a completely different place. We're not in Mexico. We're in Costa Rica. And like, I do like this vibe better. I do like, you know, like the entrances were definitely better, like the getting out of the car,

the slo-mo, like it's corny, it's cheesy, but like, it's definitely better than what it was. I don't know. I mean, maybe I'm biased. I definitely sound like one of those guys who's like, back in my time, but like season three rock. Well, I have not watched season three? So this is my first Bachelor in Paradise.

What is the point? Like what are they? To find love. To find love. To just dating around. To find love, marry, dur. Yeah, but like Love Island, it's like you win. Like are they trying to win?

They're trying to get engaged. According to the season preview, apparently there's a half a million dollars on the line. Right? Yeah, what? But how? That was a new twist. No, no, you did catch that. Right? And they're gonna, it sounds like do that thing where they like give

the winning couple a choice, like to choose between love and money. To take it all. Well, cause like Bachelor Pad, which I've never seen, which was predated Bachelor in Paradise. I've seen it. Which a lot of people liked and it was very popular for people who did watch it.

But it was like before its time. That was all about- It was more like Love Island. Yeah, that was all about competition and then like the winning couple that was like, very much like all of Love Island, if you both chose to keep it, you would split it. And if one person chose to keep it, they would get all the money and that happened once.

And it was iconic. It was crazy. It was crazy. The guy chose money and then left her with nothing and it was nuts. I guess I just don't know, like a couple of things I didn't understand logistically, it's just like, why get rid of four men right off the jump?

Like, and you know, Sam, for as much as you- I mean, they were annoying. Like you didn't like him on Gen Season, he was, when he came onto the show, I was like, all right, a guy I remember, he was the villain, kind of a dick, fun to hate, let's see if there's an arc there, let's see if there's a softer side of him,

or maybe he's just really a dick. And he was on for five minutes and now he's gone already. I don't under, it it seemed kind of odd. And then again, I don't forget the guy's name who was barely on Katie's season and barely on this season. It's like, what was the point of giving us two hours to get to know four people you're gonna immediately send home?

Yeah, and I really thought that they were gonna bring in like a woman at the end or like toward the end. You know how they do that sometimes where they will bring one more person in at the cocktail party and it's like, okay, like all four of you have to fight over this one rose. Well, they tease Susie Evans in the season preview, which is great.

Like I'm shocked they didn't lead with Susie. She should have been the first person on the beach or the hotel. They're setting it up in a way because Justin and Lexi are having this thing now. Yeah, they needed to have the whole conversation of like who's Justin's ex, oh my God, it's Suzy, wait, I love her, oh my God, is he ready to move on?

I would have done it the other way, I would have brought in Suzy and have, also like, I don't know, maybe it's because I know them, but I just don't feel, I feel like they it the other way. I would have brought in Susie and have... Also, I don't know. Maybe it's because I know them, but I just don't feel, I feel like they're both moved on. Yeah, I feel like they're both too chill individuals. They're both like, yeah, sure. In the best possible way.

They were definitely friends before they started dating. And then I was like, let's just stay friends. Let's just be friends. And I was giving that. I don't feel like there's any... I think he I was like, you know, let's just stay friends, let's just be friends. It was giving that. I don't feel like there's any. I think he said something like, yeah, we don't talk that much but we're still friends or something like that.

Yeah, he seemed pretty chill about it. I don't know. It was just an interesting first episode. Who are your favorites so far? I don't have one. Cat and Dale. Yeah. What's the whole thing with Cat?

What is gonna happen with Cat? I don't, what is her history? I mean Cat's excellent television. And it seems like the, you know, I think she was referred to as an actress by her peers in not a good way in the trailer. At least it seemed like that, they were referring to Cat.

Who is that that's gonna, they're previewing, is that like, are those her friends or people from her past? Cause I didn't recognize them coming in to like, say that she's only in it for. Yeah, but you know, I would. You recognize that guy from Katie's season? I mean, yeah.

You did? But like only a little bit, I remembered like his face, he looked recognizable. Like if you saw him in a grocery store, you'd be like, oh my God, that was that guy on Katie's season. No, I'd be like, oh my God, where have I seen this person before? Okay.

The smarmy blonde haired guy is on there. I recognized him, forget his name. Ooh. Smarmy blonde haired guy. The blonde, mm. His dad was like some politician that. Oh. Blond haired guy.

I don't know. He referred to himself as Ken or something. Yes, he referred to himself as Ken. Did he go home? Was he, he was on preview for next? He was on a preview of like. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Well, we'll see.

I definitely hope every episode is less than an hour. Shorter. That's all I can, my attention span can give it. Type 45, please. Definitely not a phone down show. I'll tell you that much. The most drama we had was Hakeem being upset that he was referred to as Vanilla.

That was a, that was, and then also his crash out at the end. Oh yeah, cause no one liked him. Yeah. Yeah. That was a, that was, and then also his crash out at the end. Oh yeah, cause no one liked him. Yeah. Yeah. He was, he's intense. He was intense. Yeah. That argument between him and Ricky,

and then Alex got, that's where Alex got the ick. Yeah. She was like, I'm not picking this guy. Poor Jonathan. He's like trying to talk to Alex and she's like, you have deodorant in your armpit. And he's like, okay. And she's like, can you deodorant in your armpit. He's like, okay.

And she's like, can you move your arm down? Can you move your arm down? Move it down more. It's like, at least he's wearing deodorant. Like he could have stank ass B.O. Yeah, also Jonathan does seem like he has some swag. Yeah, Jonathan does. Yeah, he's my favorite guy.

But in that moment, what I wanted from him was to like laugh or make a joke about it. Cause Alex was like, you have a white clump in your arm. I think he was caught off guard cause she made it seem like she was serious. She wasn't like jokey. She was being like, put your arm down. I don't want to look at it.

I feel like she was maybe just being like very dry. Yeah, I thought she was kind of trying to do a bit with it. She's like an awkward. Yeah, and he didn't. He didn't, it fell very flat. He didn't, yes, and her. That's all I have to say. I felt like he was uncomfortable

because she was like, move your arm, no, keep moving it. It wasn't like, ha ha, you have deodorant in your armpit. It was like, it's like someone being like, you have spinach in your teeth and you try and get it. And then like, just don't talk, you know? Like just keep your mouth shut. Yeah. It's like, okay. Also, not know, like just keep your mouth shut. Yeah. Okay.

Also not them letting Lexi get all dressed up for a date that they knew was gonna get canceled. And then Justin goes and picks her up for it and is just like, we're not going. Well, I don't understand why they couldn't go down to like the gift shop. But the problem is- Yeah, like stay inside.

I don't know. Why show it to us? It's a two hour episode already. Like that could have been cut. Like that could have been a two hour episode already. Like that could have been cut. Like that could have been an Ian Sterling. There's a lot that could have been cut. Justin and. There's a lot that could have been cut.

I'm curious how the Goldens are gonna come in. I will say in the, I don't know, the season preview, they seemed actually, I was like, you know what? Maybe they will bring something to the show. They look more fun. I don't know. They imply that someone makes out with someone. Yeah, they did. I sure hope so.

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I'm bursting at the seams. Let's, uh, let's get into Love Island. So much to break down. For those of you who don't remember the last time we got to talk about this show was right before the standing on business challenge. So much has changed since we talked about the show. I mean, the entire cast is different. I guess let's just start by addressing, obviously Sierra is no longer in the

villa, she has been removed. It appropriate that she has been removed because obviously the things that were found out very ignorant and racially insensitive comments by Sierra. So obviously it needed to be addressed. It was very disappointing to see those posts from Sierra and obviously not okay and very insensitive and very ignorant. I'd like to see Sierra have, you know, that's, it's again, she's in the villa right now and everyone's having all these comments about her intentions, who she is as a person, her family

getting harassed, which again, her comments completely inappropriate, very ignorant and insensitive. Hopefully, I mean, I'm assuming she's gonna get out of the villa, address them appropriately, take responsibility for them. You know, her friend who was running her account the whole time. Not her friend.

She like, definitely not her friend. I mean, she did like this whole Cosmo interview based on like how she's running her account. And then I think like, before all the screenshots came out of what Sierra had said, things her name, I think her name is MJ, but she's making this TikTok being like, everyone's saying, you know, how are you gonna,

Sierra's gonna be so pissed to find out how you're running her account. And then she's like, you really think Sierra's gonna give a fuck when she's at a million followers? And it's like, right. And then immediately she'd come off all those followers. Oh, well then we won't get her to a million. No, clearly this person is not Sierra's real friend.

And also, like again, Sierra needs to take responsibility for these comments and completely inappropriate, but who are the people that Sierra, like. Surrounds herself. Surrounds herself with. You know, like, Sierra went into this show thinking it was okay to leave those posts up, still thinking, like, has no one corrected her?

Has no one seen those posts and said, you can't say stuff like that? The most recent one was in 2023, where I'm guessing this girl running her account was friends with her in 2023. So it was hard to see her friend immediately post a response, kind of publicly disowning Ciara

without having a conversation with her. So not only is Ciara coming out to obviously all of this, but also to her friend who she apparently had a lot of trust in to run her social media account being like, oh, I don't associate myself with you anymore. What I would have loved to see from her friend is a post along the lines of, Sierra said something, I don't agree with it, I don't condone it,

it's not okay, very inappropriate. When she gets out of this villa, I cannot wait to have a conversation with her. It'll be very important, we need to get to the bottom of this. I'm eager to have that conversation. It's just that she immediately tried to distance herself from her so-called friend.

And again, a real friend is someone who holds their friend accountable, but is willing to stand by their side, unless it turns out that there's a lot of deeper hatred from Sierra that it's- It was very much giving this as a transactional friendship and like the second it got where it could potentially hurt her career, she was like,

Oh no, no, I'm not involved. Like I don't associate myself with her. I'm backing away from this friendship. We're not friends. I don't accept this. Previously, like using her being the handler of her account as a way to get press for herself. Clearly this is a, this insensitive thing that she said was part of her vocabulary.

Uh, and something that she's used frequently. No one in her circle has ever said, you can't say that. Like you can't talk that way. I thought I saw maybe incorrect, but I thought I saw someone. Yeah, they're not sure if it was fabricated or if it's real, but they did find that somebody did correct her. And she said, good thing I didn't use it in that context.

But then it was like, well, what was the context you used it in? Right, because she did use it in a- Derogatory context, yeah. So I think that's why Bella posted what she posted about how she was going to wait for Sierra to leave the villa and give her grace, but then she saw more stuff coming out,

and I think she's referring possibly to that screenshot that came out, where she said, and I just can't, and so she's unfollowed Sierra. Well, I am eager to, I'm sure she gets her phone back any day now, I'm like eager to hear her response and what she says to learn and grow from this and to not make this mistake again.

Oh, she has good people around her. I just wanted to say, I was on the Amaya train from the beginning. You were. Yeah, Nick was, Nick was an OG. Zach, Elan and and Brian, all coming at her like right after finding, like I loved the challenge. Brian didn't.

Brian didn't. Brian was the one who defended her. No, Brian had her back. Yeah, Brian defended her before she was the fan favorite. I think you always have to remember in these shows, just like in, like I think people do have to remember the psychology of these shows like in, not like, I think people do have to remember the psychology of these shows. And like I say this in general,

because this show has gotten so toxic. And like, you know, listen, we love breaking down this show. We love talking about and breaking down these scenes. It's just like goes without saying, I think it should be going out. You know, these shows are edited and these people like show up to a very controlled social experiment. They are cut off from their families, their support group.

They are in constant emotional fight or flight mode. And they're doing this all for our entertainment, right? And this is why we always see how I always say, like in these types of environment, the house is the bully, right? And yeah, it was crazy that those guys came after Amaya. Like here Amaya standing up there in the Stand Down Business Challenge

and she immediately is, she's crying. She's like, all right, received, I hear your note. You know, it's like- Getting dog piled by three grown men while she's sobbing. Yeah, Austin was out of pocket for bringing it up. And then, but like, then Zach started to pile on, but that's what I'm saying.

It was ace first and then Zach. And it just exemplifies what I've been talking about, like high school, right? Everyone is so afraid of standing out, like, right? Because you're on an island, you're by yourself. No one really has any friends early on. All these friendships early on, I think now there's some genuine friendships,

but even still, like, going back to Sierra, we've seen all these emotional goodbyes. Sierra's gone and I don't know, no one really acted upset. Did they tell the group why she was gone? It's unclear whether they knew why, but like it was like she was, yeah, Sierra's gone. I mean, Nick showed a little bit of like disappointment. And then he was like excited to be back with Alandria.

And that's fine, I guess my point is it just exemplifies that there's like, everyone's really alone. They, they, these aren't real friendships. You know what I'm saying? Like it, there, there, there are friendships that are based off of both just trying to survive and get through it. Right.

But there's no real loyalty. There's really no history. And so that's why you see these guys following ACE because once one guy green lit something that they agree with, you know, and the next person, whoever it was, whether it was ACE or whatever, it gives them a sense that it's okay to pile on and that's why you always, I always say the house is the bully. I do think that you, we should recognize that like, again, despite like, again,

breaking down these scenes, the way people comment on these people is if they know they would do better in these environments is crazy. These are not normal environments to subject yourself to. And they're constantly being pushed. And it's, you know, I do think everyone in the villa deserves some kind of grace because things are edited, things are shown out of context.

That all being aside, that's why we love Amaya so much because despite everything I just described, she has always stood up for herself, she's always stood up for other people, she's never taken the bait to put someone down and punch down, she's never done that. And that just speaks to her character because that's why so many people

on these shows, whether it's Love Island or The Bachelor, when they're just part of the majority, when they're part of the group and they all kind of join up and go after an outsider, because it feels safer to do that, Amaya's never done that. Not once. Amaya said, if I can survive Love Island, I can survive die-skiving. Die-skiving! I would die for her. I would die-skiving for her. Yeah, via copolypse.

Via copolypse? Tachycardic? I love her. She's incredible. I give grace to all these people, because again, in the environment they put in, but you can really sometimes see exceptional people. Could y'all- I think Amaya is an exceptional person.

Could y'all tell that everything switched for Amaya when the America likes you the most and least? Oh yeah, the switch up from like Zach. Like everyone started treating Amaya differently. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. It's like I loved the truth by Maybelline, the challenge. It was great because it really humbled a lot of people. But what it kind of also did was a little bit like change the game

because everybody's playing this game so hard that it's like now they know, oh, Amaya is the front runner. So it's like now all of a sudden, Zack wants to kiss her again. Where did his boundaries go? Like all of a sudden, Elan is interested. You know what I mean? And it's like, it almost like, yeah, the game, it's not a game more.

Turning into like this weird version of Survivor. Yeah, I am interested now to see like, yeah. Yeah, cause I know a lot of people were saying that like Sierra standing behind Taylor was like strategic because she saw that Iris and TJ were a strong couple. I definitely think that was fucked up on Sierra's part. She chose her man over her girls, which she even said. She was like, I definitely thought of Nick.

Like I didn't, I knew he would be upset if his boy left. And it's like, but your girl Iris, who you allegedly like wanna have this three, or whatever she, you know, she was like, Iris is my couple that I'd want to, whatever, like, and you're going to send her man home. Like, no, none of these women stood behind Iris. And it's like, T.J. Huda has not liked Adrena. Adrena and Huda have not liked each other, obviously with the whole Jeremiah of it all. I think that was a very girl's girl thing

for Huda to do of like no one standing behind Adrina, like, let me go and do this. But then it felt like I guess I get Alandria standing behind Austin. That's her boy. But it's like, again, you're just letting Austin TJ go when that's like Iris. Iris has not had one fair shot in this villa. Not once. She got here. She got cussed out by Huda, and then she was like, America, put her with Jeremiah.

She fought on the front lines for that that whole time. And then to have that relationship be taken from her when Jeremiah gets sent home. Then you have her like single again. Oh, she couples up with TJ. Oh, then Takasa Amor, she's with this guy Zack that she doesn't really fuck with, then she comes back to Takasa, she has three days with TJ

and then like he's sent home. She's just gotten the short end of the stick every single time. No, you're totally right. And none of these women have rode for her the way she's rode for them. Iris has proven to be one of the most sincere people on the villa and she's been just,

she's always been likable but she's really proven to be like a high character person. Like Iris saved Huda. Yeah. When it was Huda and Jaylen. Oh, it was. Jaylen. Yeah. Yeah.

And Jaylen was her bombshell brother. Like. I don't mind Alandria going for Austin because like, you know, again, maybe they have like a nice friendship, but like he had no one else riding for him. And I felt like at least that was for Austin because again, maybe they have a nice friendship, but he had no one else riding for him, and I felt like at least that was for Austin as opposed to Sierra didn't even, Sierra did it for Nick.

She did it for Nick's approval. You know what I'm saying? And that's why it was so kind of, ugh. Like that's her lasting, honestly, that's like her lasting impression in the villa. It was also a hard challenge to watch in general. Like who likes you the least and most? Yeah, it's kind of like you.

Like putting Taylor and Clark at the end for everything. I'm sure it like really fucked with their mental health a lot of just being like, what the fuck have I done? Like, why am I least? Yeah, I feel really bad for Clark. She's done nothing wrong. Nothing wrong. Like Taylor, not my boy, but Clark Clark is literally just there to find love.

And honestly, Taylor seems to really like Clark. And even Elandria is saying in this past episode, was she happy to see them last? Yes, because she's petty. But then she was like, no, they actually seem really happy together. And she was like, my issue was just the way Taylor handled the situation with me.

Taylor thought he ate with that, if you're gonna make me choose right now, I will choose Clark. Yeah. Alandra has a right to be petty in that moment. We've all been petty when we've been rejected by someone right in front of our face, around our peers. It's a shitty feeling. We've all been petty in that moment.

She has the right to be in that moment. And she's gonna realize that she probably would have never liked Taylor to begin with, but he was the only one available to her that she liked him the most in a group of people that she probably wouldn't really like all that much. So I don't fault that at all. Nellie and I are a little bit on different ends

of the spectrum here, but back to the Stand-In-Business Challenge, between Huda versus Shelley, it was mostly Shelley, but Alandria and Shelley and Sierra, I at least understood where Huda was coming from. I, do I think they were mean girls to her? Yes, it definitely felt like a pile on. It felt, you know, Alandria, like trying to air out the kiss in that moment that felt messy like it definitely did feel a little Bully mean girl, but I will say Huda cannot say that she's taken accountability

And she regrets and she has remorse for the way that she acted in that challenge with ace and then asked the question Frame it the way that she did with Ace and then ask the question, frame it the way that she did to Shelly, which was in quotes, like, how can you say it's just a challenge and then get mad at me when it's just a challenge? And it's like, well, I thought you understood. I thought you were taking accountability. I thought you felt bad for it. Like why you could ask that question in a completely different way. If you actually had remorse and you were taking accountability and didn't feel like she did. Well, I feel like the reason that she wrote that

was because Shelly wouldn't talk to her still up until this point. And Huda has still not been able to have a conversation where she like gets to ask. And it's the stand on business challenge where everybody's asking these things that they like haven't had the chance to say face to face. And so Huda is using this as an opportunity to have this conversation with Shelley.

And she's asking the question. And then once Shelley clarified it, she was like, listen, I'm sorry. Like I am sorry. And then they still, and then I think what really like did it for Huda was when Alandria said that she kissed Chris. And then all of a sudden Huda was like, how dare you? Like I've been, I've tried to have your backs. Like.

I do think Huda could have pulled Shelly before this stand on business for a chat. It's not like Shelly was like, don't talk to me, don't talk to me, don't talk to me. The night of she was like, hey, I'm really high on my emotions right now. I don't want to have like an aggravated conversation. Let's talk tomorrow.

And Huda being the one who fucked up, it is in her place, in her shoes to go to Shelly and be like, hey, are you ready now? Because she was the one who did something. She was in the wrong. So she does need to chase, if she wants an accepted apology, she does need to be the one to confront Shelly again.

And we never saw a clip of her trying to pull Shelly or trying to ask Shelly for another chat and Shelly being like, no, I don't want to again. Well, no, she specifically said, yeah, she specifically said that she was- I'm gonna wait for her to come to me. They were both telling other people, like, I'm gonna wait for her to come to me.

When Huda was like- Would it help if I was ugly? Oh my God. Oh yeah, what did that mean? That was crazy. Can we unpack that? Here's how I see it. And this is why it's just like,

maybe it's just not fair, but it's like it's the line, with great power comes great responsibility. I look at Shelley and I see this emotional, mature, classy person who honestly, it's just like, she's almost like too mature for this group, right? And she seems like someone who really is good Honestly, it's just like, she's almost like too mature for this group, right?

And she seems like someone who really is good at just processing her emotions. And Huda is, time and time again, seems to be really poor at that, right? So I guess in this moment, why it kinda gives a little mean girl, because while like, Huda has been more self-centered than most, and more selfish than most,

she seems very reactive and that doesn't make it okay. But I feel like Huda can't help herself. I feel like right now she's like stuck in this, again, science experiment and I see more of an effort of Huda trying to figure out what she's doing wrong in real time and having a hard time figuring it out, where Shelley, she seems like, and maybe this isn't fair,

like maybe this is like a double standard, because I feel like, because like it seems like Shelley's more in control of her emotions, and so it seemed like she was arguing semantics with Huda, where like, I feel like, you know, and it's just as if like, back to like them saying they're never real, really real friends, I feel like they're pretending, it's just as if like, back to like them saying they're never really real friends. I feel like they're pretending to be friends with Huda.

And in the real world, I think they would otherwise be like, I just don't fuck with this person. And then finally the person they don't really fuck with kept doing annoying shit and kept kind of like making it about them and saying things like, if I were ugly, you know, just like Huda, just Huda's. And I think they're just kinda, you know, Shelly just decided that she was done with Huda

and then started, and then made a thing about her going after a guy, Chris. That's what I didn't get. It's just like, you've been with Ace the whole time and now you wanna explore Ace, but Ace can't do anything. And it just, it felt like Shelly decided to have a problem with what Huda was doing rather than she really had a problem with it but she decided to make that the thing

that she went after Huda for. Does that make sense? Like I see why Shelly's mad at her and she has every right to be mad at her and like Huda like can't get out of her own way but I just feel like Shelly's way more in control of her emotions, and that's why it just kind of feels a little wrong.

I think it read to me like Huda finally, Huda did something specific that they could pinpoint just not liking her in general on, I agree with you. And that was kind of where that came from. I wanna know when they, the timeline of them asking America those questions for the Maybelline challenge, because there's no way that Zach, after his stand on business, the way he attacked Amaya, there's no way that America likes TJ

less than they like him. Like the fact that TJ was on the chopping block over the two new guys is like, like Elon and Zach. It's shocking. I think, I think that there were two different, no, I think that there were two different voting sessions, honestly. I think what happened was there was, yeah, it's confusing. I think that the favorite Islander was probably in a different timeline than all the other

questions because yeah, based on what you're saying, I feel like also Clark would have been in the bottom. Yeah, it kind of didn't make sense that like Clark was on the bottom of all these other votes, but then she wasn't even in the bottom three of Favorite Islander. I really think that they were two different. Like I think that the Maybelline challenge

was like one set of things, and then they just kind of like used the two, like combined it as a dumping. I also think Zach, because he was coupled up with Amaya, got a lot of like sympathy votes because of him being coupled up with Amaya, versus like if it was before. No, because people would have wanted him gone

because they loved him so much. Gone for Amaya. So they would open up Amaya. Well, I feel like there was that one point where people were vote, oh, I guess it was the couple votes that they got moved up like the vacation one, whatever,

because obviously everyone loves Amaya. And because Zach was in that couple, like it just happened that he was at the top of that one. Like the favorite couple you would want to go on vacation with or something. That's why, yeah. Yeah. It's just crazy that we're not gonna get movie night.

I mean, are we not? We don't know 100% Ariana was on Aftersun and kind of asked like, what can we expect like coming forward? And she was like, oh, we have another recoupling and like families and it's like. Well, I mean, what's the point of moving it at this point? There's no real. Yeah, Sierra's gone.

There was one closed off couple, she's now gone. It would really only be like drama within the friend groups. It would be like stuff they said about the other people behind their backs. But now even like Sierra's gone from that friend group so that dynamic's already rocky. It's just like now they almost have to like, there's no established couples.

It's like now we're rooting for Amaya and Brian. It's really Amaya and whoever she wants to date. Iris and Pepe. Iris and Pepe. It's like, yeah sure, cause we both like Pepe and Iris individuallype, it's like, yeah, sure. Because we both like Pepe and Iris individually. So it's like, okay, cool. Pepe, like legit, I loved him from the beginning. Definitely he's upfront, he's honest, he doesn't play games.

He's not a follower, love Pepe. Nick and Elandria. No. But like am I the only Nick and Elandria stand here? The whole Nick and Elandria thing is it's like, you know. You tried. The fan, it's like, it makes me overjoyed.

Now it's feeling real like, now it's feeling really like they know, they understand the assignment. But honestly, it's feeling produced. I disagree. Honestly, like with, before, whenever they were coupled up before, they were both like,

oh, I have Taylor in the back of my mind. And he's like, oh, I have Sierra in the back of my mind. And he's like, Oh, I have Sierra in the back of my mind. And it's like, okay, so now I get Taylor's in a whole new connection, but Sierra was kicked out. So what L Andrew is just going to like make out with her man. It's not like Sierra to ho someone else. I think they know why Sierra got kicked out. I think they, they definitely told them because when,

the way they reacted when Hannah left the villa versus like Sierra getting kicked out, if the producers didn't tell them what was going on, they would have like a very different reaction. Well, see, yeah, that's the thing is that like, the context really matters because right now, the way that I feel is like, Alandria, this is your girl, like you guys were best friends,

and like she's out there still. Like you don't know why she left. If she left for a personal reason, you're just gonna go in to save Nick. But I don't get being like, I'm still wanting to explore this. It's like, why do you wanna explore it? I think they've liked each other the entire time.

I just don't know if there was no time for the production to explain in context fully why Sierra was removed. You know what I'm saying? I think that they probably said like something resurfaced from her past and we had to remove her. Exactly, right? So that's what I'm saying. Like you don't think that if these friendships

were actually real and genuine, you don't think they would still be upset? No, I don't know because I feel like some of these handler producers are real buddy buddy you don't think they would still be upset? No, I don't know because I feel like some of these handler producers are, you know, real buddy buddy with cast. They like to be a little messy. They like to spill some tea.

And I bet that a lot of them were like, you wanna get like, listen to what Sierra did. I bet they all know what she said. And I bet they were like, when you come out of this villa, you're gonna wanna distance yourself from her. Like that's probably like, for them in their heads, they're probably like, I bet they were like, when you come out of this villa, you're gonna wanna distance yourself from her. That's probably, for them in their heads, they're probably like, well, we don't want this to happen to us when we come out of the villa,

so we're not gonna, I don't know. I don't know what they know in the villa. All I know is I'm so, I've been Team Nick and Alandria when I thought I was being delusional, so I'm very happy about this, and I want them to win. I want to believe it's real, but like I just point, it just feels produced. And this season just really turned into a mess. You know, I mean, I'm locked in.

We're enjoying every episode, but I just, I wish there were more people to root for more relationships. You know, the PPG, they're all three. They're those three. The relationships are all still going strong. Maybe I'm crazy, but I really think that Nick and Alandria, I think Nick likes Alandria a lot more than he likes Sierra. Well, I would believe that in the sense that I don't know how into Sierra he was.

Yeah. I just feel like Nick is just a very charming, kind of, he's a fuck, you know, he's in his fuck boy era. And that's not even like a criticism, it's just more like he's, I don't think that man should be settling down anytime soon. The fact that America thought he was like

one of the best boyfriend materials, it's just like maybe like in the future, but he just doesn't look, he's not giving I'm ready to settle down and date right now. I think like- No, Sierra, he wasn't. I think with Alandria, like when he literally said, like is saying to

a landry, like you make me feel like I'm like a man, no, I know, but it's like a little boy having a crush on. I just feel like a landry. I feel like Nick is beneath a landry. I don't, I just don't think. I think he's the best person for her in this Villa. I definitely think she chose, she chose right being that her other two options were Zach and Ilan and like,

no to both of them. She obviously does have a friendship and a bond with Nick. And I think it's totally okay and totally fair for them to be like, Hey, we're saving each other. Maybe a bombshell comes in the future for one of us. But like the fact that both of them are being like, we're still open to exploring each other. I, I still am open to getting to know you more and like seeing if it's still, that's bonkers to me. I think they've been into each other. No, I think that they, I think that they're, I agree with Mary in the sense that I think that the two of them like had a thing and then, you know, Elandria had Taylor still and Nick had Sierra.

And I think that also Elandria was a little bit worried about like how that would be for her friendship with Sierra. And I think that also Landria was a little bit worried about like how that would be for her friendship with Sierra. And Nick was worried about how that would be for his friendship with Taylor. And so I think that, you know, that definitely got in their way. I think that the difference between how Nick looks when he's talking to Landria versus how he looked

when he was talking to Sierra as night and day, I just wonder, I really wonder what they were told about Sierra's exit because the fact that they're both able to move on this quickly. Elandria having been so close with Sierra's friends and then Nick having been closed off with her talking about like what does closed off mean here versus on the outside,

which is a crazy conversation in and of itself. I actually think Natalie got it right. I think producers told, I think the show quote unquote, like I think their formal meeting, they didn't get much detail and I bet. It was on one of their off days. Individual producers had one-on-one conversations and they probably like, it was like, hey I'm not supposed to tell you this.

Nick went to his handler and was like, please like what happened? And they're like, all right I'll just tell you. I bet that's how it all went down. But big fans, I mean, listen, there's a bunch of people in this cast I'm excited to get a chance to talk to and meet and Iris and Pepe and Amaya,

Alandria, Shelly. I mean, even like, you know, as much as we criticized Ace in his whole like five, his 5'10", like he's very charming and very funny at times. And like, I just. I mean, him saying he went to a good high school and then sleeping on a beach chair.

Like clearly this man has survived a lot in his life. He's lived a lot of life. And that is someone I'm interested in getting to know. And I will say like a casting cheat sheet for reality TV competition, love competitions, is they cast giants, they do. So for Ace, who is not a tall man, to be casted on this show and to dominate

and really be the focal point, shows the strength of his personality. And yeah, he's been a little strategic, he's gotten on our nerves at times by kind of manipulating the house a little bit. But it, I mean, most people couldn't pull off what ace is pulling off because again, it is very intimidating to, you know, we all know the girlies like the tall guys. That's why they cast tall men because like in a, in a, in a short period of time, casting people know that like, you can have a six face, but as long as he's six three,

he's hot, you know, and he stands out. You know, so for Ace to be able to be such a big personality, you know, he's- I mean, he doesn't admit that he's short, but yeah. I know he doesn't admit it, but I'm just saying like, props to, you know, it just, I think that's, those are things that consider in an environment, like this is a social experiment in a closed off environment

and you're seeing all these different dynamics. It's fun to nitpick and break down these scenes, but I think we have to try to point out some of these people's strengths rather than. Just give reminders of giving people grace and realizing we're all humans. All right, well we will see you tomorrow for a GD you are not gonna wanna miss. That's all we will say right now. Until then, thanks for listening. We'll see you tomorrow.